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arrests to follow. the prime minister says plans by some groups to protest during remembrance commemorations are provocative and disrespectful. in a statement, rishi sunak said the right to remember in peace and dignity must be protected. labour leader sir keir starmer echoed those comments. he says he supports the police in whatever action is needed and israel defence forces released footage earlier of the military blowing up tunnels in gaza and clearing an area of explosive devices. now that comes as un officials warn that there is no place that is safe in the strip as the conflict continues . as as the conflict continues. as israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu has rejected calls from the us secretary of state for a humanitarian pause until all hostages taken by hamas are freed . well, 112 uk nationals freed. well, 112 uk nationals were on the list to leave gaza through the rafah crossing today . earlier, scotland's first minister, humza yousaf, announced that his family has been able to leave through that

crossing palestinian officials say more than 700 foreign nationals have crossed in the past two days, including dozens of critically injured people . of critically injured people. suella braverman wants to restrict the use of tents by homeless people in towns and cities . she's warning that cities. she's warning that british streets risk going the same way as some in the us posting on the home secretary said many tents are occupied by people , quote, from abroad people, quote, from abroad living on the streets as a lifestyle choice , end quote. lifestyle choice, end quote. reports say the crackdown would target tents that become a nuisance, such as those blocking shop doonnays . russell brand is shop doonnays. russell brand is being sued by a film extra who claims that she was sexually assaulted on a us movie set. his accuser says the actor was carrying a bottle of vodka and appeared intoxicated when he approached her on the set of arthur back in 2010. the lawsuit has been filed in new york and is the first accusation to be made against brand in court.

brand has not yet responded to that lawsuit , brand has not yet responded to that lawsuit, but this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to the . saturday five. to the. saturday five. >> welcome back. it's saturday night. you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver. so let's crack on with tonight's first discuss on yes benjamin's gonna start tonight and as the horrific violence in the middle east continues unleashed, of course , by the hamas terrorist course, by the hamas terrorist attacks on israel, october 7th, there are growing calls for a ceasefire here in gaza. >> now, benjamin , for this one, >> now, benjamin, for this one, you're going to have to urge viewer discretion on this topic. i believe. >> yeah, that's right. this one really is deeply unpleasant. so if want to turn away your if you want to turn away your entitled to. but this week the israeli embassy invited myself and journalists from other major outlets to go and view the raw

footage from hamas terrorists of their actions. on the 7th of october, footage that they live streamed to their friends and allies to show off the murdering that they were committing. and it was truly the most horrific thing i've ever seen . there were thing i've ever seen. there were clips of babies who had been killed in mickey mouse pyjamas was of people fleeing desperately in their cars, being shot at of two children, probably about nine years old, shouting daddy as an explosive is thrown at their father and then asking , why am i alive ? and then asking, why am i alive? and there was another clip of a concrete room piled high with dead jewish bodies . i couldn't dead jewish bodies. i couldn't help but think that if the holocaust had cameras, this is what you would have seen. and then came one of the most shocking parts is a recording of a phone call of a hamas terrorist shouting down the phonein terrorist shouting down the phone in glee to his father. i killed ten jews. dad your son is a hero . i'll show you on

a hero. i'll show you on whatsapp. now, the israeli embassy has let us use that recording for tv viewers . but i recording for tv viewers. but i warn you, the glee with which he expresses satisfaction at what he did is deeply disturbing . i he did is deeply disturbing. i however, are about to see him. >> after all, what seb gorka . >> after all, what seb gorka. joel yahudiya qatar qatar . it's joel yahudiya qatar qatar. it's horrifying. >> now, 76% of people, according to a poll this week, want a ceasefire from israel. they want them to put their weapons down and succumb to these hamas terrorists . they do so from the terrorists. they do so from the comfort and security of their homes in britain where the only confrontation they have with this evil is the gruesome scenes that they see on their television news. but for 9 million israelis and many

palestinian civilians , as they palestinian civilians, as they are confronted with having the most barbaric, evil terrorist cult on their doorstep every day, trying to kill them. so the truth about a ceasefire is that as keir starmer said earlier this week , cease fires only this week, cease fires only freeze conflicts where they are , freeze conflicts where they are, they do nothing to resolve them . they do nothing to resolve them. and where is hamas ? three weeks, and where is hamas? three weeks, nearly four weeks after one of the worst atrocities we've seen in recent times. well their leadership is still intact. their infrastructure within gaza is still intact and their funders are still flooding with them with money from countries like iran. if there were to be a ceasefire now, then they would claim victory and this week, hamas leader said on television, what they would do. they said, given the chance those atrocities, i described a moment ago, they would do them again and again , again and again. ago, they would do them again and again , again and again . and and again, again and again. and so that's why we should not have

a ceasefire, because that would let the terrorists win . and let the terrorists win. and there's nothing moral or worthy about letting terrorists win . about letting terrorists win. now, i know this is a complicated and difficult issue, and everyone is horrified by what's been happening . and what's been happening. and people with good morals are on the other side. i'll be, how do you feel about this? >> look, i think it's a really tricky issue. and i'm certainly i think i'm not wrong in saying the most sympathetic to a ceasefire on the panel . and the ceasefire on the panel. and the reason i'm quite reason that i'm quite sympathetic to a ceasefire is because i wonder when one has trying to eradicate terrorists from particular territory and change regime ever actually resulted in there being less terrorism ? um, if we look at the terrorism? um, if we look at the war on terror that the west embarked on after 9/11 in iraq, that to led isis, if we look at what we did in afghanistan, we've now withdrawn. the taliban are still at large. i don't think we're any safer now than

we were in 2001. my concern we were in 2001. and my concern with a continued war in the middle east is that actually what will happen is, is that it will radicalise more people. it will radicalise more people. it will be a recruitment exercise for hamas essentially in the west bank and any of the terrorists which are killed today, they're children tomorrow will become the terrorists of tomorrow . and we need a solution tomorrow. and we need a solution now , which is why i think after now, which is why i think after the hostages are released, because the hostages have absolutely got to be released, there needs to be a ceasefire and negotiated settlement and and a negotiated settlement and and a negotiated settlement and a state back on the a two state solution back on the table. >> i think reality is that table. >> know, reality is that table. >> know, people lity is that table. >> know, people who s that table. >> know, people who wantt you know, people who want a ceasefire are being naive to hamas. if not honourable in their who wants their wishes. overall, who wants their wishes. overall, who wants the war to carry on? no one wants that. hamas have said wants that. but hamas have said they'll repeat what did. they'll repeat what they did. and too many people and i think, too many people don't recognise the brutality of what wish to emily what they wish to do. emily how do feel this? do you feel about this? >> i a lot of people who >> i think a lot of people who aren't particularly invested in this conflict see the word ceasefire think of course ceasefire and think of course i want that peace .

want that. that means peace. that means a stop to bloodshed . that means a stop to bloodshed. that means a stop to bloodshed. that means a stop to bloodshed. that means civilians will that means fewer civilians will die and children will lose die and fewer children will lose their . so it sounds great. their lives. so it sounds great. and i think that's why that percentage high. of percentage is so high. 76% of brits wanting a ceasefire. but i also think that a lot of people in this country and across the world are naive, as you say, to the intentions of hamas. and they're there in black and white. hamas wants to kill all jews and they want to start by eradicating israel and to do so, that takes huge amounts of violence. and we've seen only the beginning of it. and if israel were to unilaterally put down their weapons because hamas isn't going to agree to some formal agreement of a ceasefire, they've said that they won't fight. so if israel puts down their weapons and stops their defensive is what we'll see is many thousands more israelis die. and let's remember, this is the only jewish state in the world. and to see this conflict play world. and to see this conflict play out in terms of protest in this country is deeply troubling

because for all of the people who are marching for lives of innocent people, there are unfortunately and quite clearly many , many extremists who do many, many extremists who do support what hamas in its intention to wipe out israel . intention to wipe out israel. >> connor, what do you think? why do you think that most people, especially younger people, especially younger people, your sort of generation being a bit younger than me, why do you think so many of them are inclined to a ceasefire rather than of argument? i than the rest of the argument? i think i agree with emily in that it is seems to be the compassionate position to call to down arms. to put down arms. >> they have been >> also, they have been propaganda ized by a postcolonial theory to think that nation full of that muslim nation full of non—white people means that they are de facto better and therefore we should be on their side . and despite all of the side. and despite all of the intersectional contradictions , intersectional contradictions, tonnes of queers for palestine , tonnes of queers for palestine, for example, being out with their signs when they would be persecuted in palestine, they feel compelled to be out there. i wanted to pick up on two things that albie said. i think

it's slightly different from the war on terror in that in there there were enforcement costs and unfamiliar terrain meant unfamiliar terrain that meant that your that you weren't fighting your neighbours. also a two state neighbours. and also a two state solution particularly solution is not particularly viable is viable because hamas is essentially operating as a terrorist with terrorist state as is with backing from iran. if you formalise said state, you would still need a regime change so that don't empower that you don't empower these. >> i agree there needs to be regime change, but concern is regime change, but my concern is i know know how i don't know know how a prolonged war in the middle east is get us to a two is going to get us to a two state solution any quicker. i think it's actually going to slow down things. >> think the only viable >> i think the only viable alternative prolonged war alternative to a prolonged war would be a three state solution where you pressure egypt and jordan in and control jordan to step in and control the territory. but of course, they don't really want to do that with the palestinian people right because they've said right now because they've said they're the they're not taking any of the refugees. we need some sort refugees. so we need some sort of international pressure to get those step up and those countries to step up and get because get involved as well, because othennise on its othennise israel is just on its own region. own in the region. >> right. now, if hopefully >> all right. now, if hopefully you've not had enough of connor from sentence, because up from that sentence, because up next, debut, is next, making his debut, who is

connor he's going connor tomlinson? and he's going to the planned to discuss the planned pro—palestinian protests scheduled for armistice day next saturday, september and november. even the 11th away. your goal, connor yeah. >> so the prime minister has ruled out banning the pro—palestine protests that are scheduled to happen on the 11th of november on armistice day . of november on armistice day. now, this has proven to be quite an unpopular policy, actually, because the people's polling company put out a poll that said 43% of britons polled wanted the protests banned. and another third thought that if the protest went ahead, the met police were unequipped to stop the escalating the protests from escalating into violence why such a into violence. now, why such a lack of faith in the police in our country? well it as we've seen in various videos floating around on twitter from prior protests they've protests in the week they've been holding and handing back the possessions protesters the possessions of protesters illegally, scaling scaffolding . illegally, scaling scaffolding. they haven't them from they haven't stopped them from defacing column, but defacing nelson's column, but they to and arrest they did decide to go and arrest a who complained a man who complained about palestinian flags being flown in bethnal green street . and bethnal green high street. and the is they recognise

the reason is they recognise that a volatile that this is a volatile constituency who have supported the the terrorists the actions of the terrorists since the initial massacre on october 7th. and they think october the 7th. and they think by telling british public by telling the british public not antagonise waving not to antagonise them by waving engush , not to antagonise them by waving english , they will be able english flags, they will be able to stop the tension . it's kind to stop the tension. it's kind of telling a battered wife, of like telling a battered wife, don't burn dinner next time don't burn the dinner next time if don't want to get if you don't want to get smacked. multiculturalism has led to the situation. massimo led us to the situation. massimo aggression us to the aggression has led us to the situation and more woolly liberalism thinks we can liberalism that thinks we can just this situation out just talk. this situation out will not lead us out of it . will not lead us out of it. tolerance is not a neutral value. it is a liability. if the other side doesn't reciprocate. if they declare their intention to flip over the game board, why should they be protected by the rules of the game? we already have with embarrassing have it with embarrassing situations where police have situations where the police have had flags had to delete tweets of flags being flown, have prior been flown by the taliban and have told us jihad actually has many meanings engaging in islamic theology. when a proscribed terrorist group stands on the corner declaring that muslim armies should annexe england to

armies should annexe england to a global caliphate. now, i don't personally have any allegiances to israel more than i do any other country like iceland . i other country like iceland. i just don't want my home city. every weekend turned into a no go zone by people that fundamental hate the english way of life . they don't believe in of life. they don't believe in free speech, so why should we extend it to them? i think it would be an absolute act of disrespect to the glorious dead, the who fought to our the men who fought to keep our country safe two world wars. country safe in two world wars. if allowed a terrorist if we allowed a terrorist supporting to happen on supporting protest to happen on their of memorial banner , their day of memorial banner, yeah, , i'll be. yeah, well, i'll be. >> do you disagree? >> do you disagree? >> yes, i do disagree, actually , >> yes, i do disagree, actually, connon >> yes, i do disagree, actually, connor, you and i often have conversations about freedom of speech and how important it is in a liberal democracy . and i in a liberal democracy. and i think that means that we can't be going around banning protests on a national nationally important days , granted. but important days, granted. but because they're inconvenient . because they're inconvenient. and we've got to remember that a lot of the people on these protests, they simply want a ceasefire, like 76% of the british public, as benjamin was telling us earlier on. so i

think it would be it would be totally wrong and a betrayal of our british liberal democratic principles to be going around banning protests on inconvenient days. imagine what could happen if a government had that power and didn't agree with the and we didn't agree with the government. they already do. they did it with covid. >> so what we're seeing here is the ability to do what you didn't like that day. i know, i know. and this is why tolerance didn't like that day. i know, i kr not and this is why tolerance didn't like that day. i know, i kr not and this is why tolerance didn't like that day. i know, i kr not a neutral s why tolerance didn't like that day. i know, i kr not a neutral value. tolerance didn't like that day. i know, i kr not a neutral value. we'veice is not a neutral value. we've a stand our own personal stand for our own personal values, like freedom, like free speech. cave to mob that speech. or we cave to a mob that want confiscate those. want to confiscate those. they've already said that they ceasefire >> protesters want to >> protesters don't want to confiscate our freedom. >> protests after >> these protests started after the what the initial massacre. so what they're they're they're doing is they're capitalising on a bunch of students understand students who don't understand that means the death that a ceasefire means the death of jews to drum popular of jews to drum up popular support. you're saying that 76% of know what they're of brits don't know what they're talking about. >> also know from the >> we also know that from the security services and from counter—terrorism that iran is having quite an influence on some of these protests . i don't some of these protests. i don't know exactly in what ways. presumably in terms of social

media output and in terms of drumming up support from particular leaders, from various communities. but these aren't there are of course, i'll be many people who are on these marches who just want peace. of course there are. but i think it is extremely disrespectful for people to march concerning a foreign conflict which is so controversial and also puts so much . well, it scares. scares much. well, it scares. scares jewish communities in this country massively. and i don't think we can overstay date that, to be honest. i've spoken to a lot of jewish people in the last couple of weeks, and they are very fearful. they're making plans in their where plans in their heads of where they could possibly move to if things get too tough here, which i absolute travesty. i think is an absolute travesty. and something i think and it's something if i think about much, i will to about too much, i will start to cry about because it is horrible. country gave horrible. this country gave refuge people and we refuge to jewish people and we have a history it. so i find have a history of it. so i find it absolutely astonishing that people in this country would consider it even an option to

have this kind of protest. >> i find this a difficult one because on the one hand, i want to say that i really dislike the idea of a protest being banned because i think our democracy ought to be strong enough to take these tests. and i think in many ways it certainly is . but i many ways it certainly is. but i often make the case about hate speech and why i think there should be such laws as hate speech laws. because if your speech laws. because if your speech has a consequence, that means that it stops someone else's ability to go about their normal to day lives just normal day to day lives and just be themselves. then think be themselves. and then i think that's reasonable bar to draw that's a reasonable bar to draw legally. would suggest in legally. and i would suggest in some ways echoing what emily, just if there is just described, that if there is a motivation to do these protests tests in a way that has a has a provocation because it's armistice day, that has a provocation to effect jews feeling safe in their home city or wherever it may be in this country, then i think that probably is where it crosses the line. and of course, i would suggest that if that's not the case, then given that armistice day falls on saturday, why

case, then given that armistice day f.theynn saturday, why case, then given that armistice day f.they do saturday, why case, then given that armistice day f.they do itraturday, why case, then given that armistice day f.they do it on rday, why case, then given that armistice day f.they do it on the', why case, then given that armistice day f.they do it on the sunday don't they do it on the sunday or the following week? that might be a far more amicable conclusion. i would say to people who are in favour of a ceasefire, don't protest on that day because it's not going to win you any favours with the people that you're trying to convince are right. convince that you are right. >> but at the same time, i don't think, by the way, they're trying convince anyone trying to convince anyone they're right. >> trying to feel righteous. >> i hope they're trying to win the they're not going the argument. they're not going to by to win the argument by by protesting armistice day. but protesting an armistice day. but i will just say something very quickly a protest. i went quickly about a protest. i went to after black to the week after the black lives matter protests. was lives matter protests. there was a protest. a white lives matter protest. i went go see what it went just to go and see what it was going to be like. and it was the most terrifying experience of my life to see all these racists gathering in central london. i don't think that should banned. if should have been banned. so if i don't that should have don't think that should have been banned, i'm perfectly consistent to say i don't think there banned. they there should be banned. they declaring better. there should be banned. they dec it's 1g better. there should be banned. they decit's better better. there should be banned. they dec it's better it's �*tter. there should be banned. they decit's better it's better that >> it's better it's better that this is out the this stuff is out in the daylight so we can tackle it. why are they declaring the intent to

intent ahead of time to violently culture violently overthrow the culture of because we've of the country? because we've already happen at already seen that happen at multiple prior protests. they've already arrests already had to make arrests about again, this came about that. and again, this came off the back of an act of aggression by terrorist group. aggression by a terrorist group. so the ethos is so that is the ethos that is underlying. but they're not they're in they're not protesting in support of hamas. >> support >> they're protesting in support of palestine and for of freeing palestine and for a peace, not hamas. peace, but not from hamas. >> aren't protesting in >> they aren't protesting in support of freeing palestine from hamas. saying from hamas. they're saying ending jewish occupation from hamas. they're saying endingthey'renish occupation from hamas. they're saying endingthey're nish necessarily there. they're not necessarily against hamas. and that is a serious problem. >> the majority of the >> i think the majority of the protesters who are out there are not supporting hamas. they are simply all simply supporting what we all want , a two state solution. and want, a two state solution. and for awful debacle to be for this awful debacle to be ovenl for this awful debacle to be over, i don't think they all want that, though. >> i think, unfortunately, you and your good nature are giving too much goodwill to the people that are chanting from the river to the implying to the sea, implying the eradication jewish state, eradication of the jewish state, which the hamas charter. which is in the hamas charter. >> of course, there are some >> and of course, there are some people chanting that people who are chanting that phrase foggiest. phrase who haven't the foggiest. what so what it actually means. so you've got mixture of people you've got a mixture of people on marches all sorts on these marches with all sorts of intentions. but of different intentions. but still tonight, i'll be

still to come tonight, i'll be will tackle the culture wars and i'll ask the of the i'll ask in the wake of the covid inquiry insulting colleagues, is it ever acceptable in workplace ? and acceptable in the workplace? and we'll see if that benjamin agrees with me or not. >> sorry, benjamin. oop >> sorry, benjamin. oop >> but coming up next, cuddly home secretary suella braverman has announced latest has announced her latest bleeding policy , bleeding hearts policy, restricting use of tents restricting the use of tents used by homeless people . darren used by homeless people. darren will have his say on that. you're the saturday live on you're the saturday five live on

radio. welcome back to the saturday. >> five cheers for your company and cheers for your emails about tonight's topics. there's a lot of praise for benjamin . can you of praise for benjamin. can you believe james says brilliant. benjamin cutting through to the important fact that a ceasefire means an israeli surrender to terrorism delivered with passion and commitment and intelligence . and commitment and intelligence. >> intelligence. yes. well,

there you go. you don't normally get that jackie's written in and she says, benjamin , i can't she says, benjamin, i can't believe i'm saying this, but wow , i am actually impressed. >> this is the most logical moral grown up thing, i think i've heard you say to date. maybe is more to you than maybe there is more to you than the of a broken clock after the luck of a broken clock after all. said, jackie. thanks. all. well said, jackie. thanks. sort of . and sam says an sort of. and sam says an excellent debut from connor, a soon to be regular, i hope connor's posted his £5 in the post right now. >> darren is going to give his verdict on suella braverman plan to restrict the use of tents by homeless people . darren has the homeless people. darren has the home secretary gone ever so slightly too far this time? >> surely. oh, give over, emily. give over. let's. i want to take your soul for a stroll. right now through trafalgar square . now through trafalgar square. where? forget the lions , the where? forget the lions, the fountains and the monument to the man himself. imagine it being more like the end of glastonbury without the poshos a scene out of san francisco as

michael shellenberger, a bloke who's seen the light would see his once glorious city. now a gallery of democrat decay is a testament to those fonnard thinking policy , those that thinking policy, those that sought to defy defund the police. that worked out well. didn't it have a gander at these ? and for our radio listeners, just imagine a liberal hell, a whole lawless in every way possible . now chew on this possible. now chew on this nugget by year's end , we might nugget by year's end, we might have over 50,000 foreign nationals playing musical chairs for a place to call home. now why is that? it's because, of course , our housing market is course, our housing market is more squeezed than a hipster, skinny jeans and our migration policy like that is safe now. suella braverman is pitching a tent ban to avoid us ending up with scenes like that in san francisco and the bleeding hearts are up in arms. but hold your horses i because it's not

the iron fist that they paint in it to be. it's savvy policy with a bit of backbone . this isn't a bit of backbone. this isn't about sprucing up the high street. it's a crusade against making rough sleeping as common as pigeons in a park. goodhart did charities doling out these tents with a smile. ah i'm afraid to say, bless their souls . turning our city centres into 24/7 campgrounds is braverman not looking to give anyone the cold shoulder with the vagrancy act out. there's half a billion quid being pumped into the economy to bid farewell to rough sleeping. that's a good thing. what we're talking about here is pushing for property tax shelters, real bricks and mortar houses, not just a canvas roof. this is about raising the bar for public spaces and making sure help isn't just a plaster on a wooden leg . so let's cut on a wooden leg. so let's cut through the malarkey . this isn't through the malarkey. this isn't a war on the down and out. it's about putting the pride back in

our pavements and giving the homeless a leg to stand tall. surely with that, we need carrot . a bit of stick. frankly and that's what's on the table right now . so sometimes, folks, you've now. so sometimes, folks, you've got to play the stern parent to be the good samaritan . now, be the good samaritan. now, conor tomlinson, do you think that she's a heartless so—and—so? no i think it's perfectly sensible. >> i'm really glad you referenced san francisco because all across america very permissive, rough sleeping policies have led areas to even skid row in california , the skid row in california, the bubonic plague is back there because of the lack of hygiene and so not only do we need as you raised quite rightly, to crack down on mass migration to make sure there are the funds and places available to house these people as they need to get off the streets. but also we need a less permissive diction policy up in scotland, they're doing advised doing what the un has advised and has been going on in and what has been going on in democrat cities. a clean needle program heroin addicts program for new heroin addicts to the harm taking it.

to reduce the harm of taking it. no, get them off the no, we should get them off the heroin, get them to go cold turkey, support them through it, and then allow them to reincorporate to reincorporate themselves to be functioning society. functioning members of society. it broken it doesn't do these broken people favour to let them people a favour to let them sleep the street stay sleep on the street and stay addicted to these substances. >> buttennorth, >> and benjamin buttennorth, this where afraid this is where i'm afraid you're going lose our viewers going to lose our viewers because the kind lawless because the kind of lawless hellhole mentioned in hellhole that i mentioned in those that's those pictures there, that's exactly of utopia. exactly your idea of utopia. that's your policies would that's what your policies would lead i think you >> actually, i think you underestimate our viewers. i suspect a lot of decent people will be appalled by the idea of someone that's gone into politics take tents off the politics to take tents off the poorest and most vulnerable people . the fact is that anyone people. the fact is that anyone that's been to america, let alone seen some of the images we saw, knows that they have an enormous with enormous problem with homelessness there great homelessness and there are great swathes. remember when i was swathes. i remember when i was in dc, swathes of it covered in tents. they're not in those tents. they're not in those tents policy about tents because of a policy about the over their head in the the roof over their head in the street. they're in those tents because have problems with because they have problems with acute poverty and with addiction and with mental health services

that worse in the us that are even worse in the us than they are here. and the idea that the tents that simply taking the tents away anything to resolve away does anything to resolve the a nonsense . the problem is a nonsense. >> so 2005, san francisco >> so in 2005, san francisco want to do exactly the same thing. then in 2010, i didn't think there would know the answer to it is to have more outreach of mental health and addiction services and to have more hostel spaces . why are they more hostel spaces. why are they all addicted to drugs? it's the kind liberal left policies kind of liberal left policies pushed by people you that pushed by people like you that has led to this horrible chaos. >> let me finish answering this because , you know, as the child because, you know, as the child of heroin addicts, which of two heroin addicts, which i've before, i've written about before, i know that good people can get hooked and their life is ruined and they can't get back from it to try and kick them when they're literally in the they're literally down in the street think is repugnant. and street i think is repugnant. and maybe do maybe suella braverman should do more look the that in more to look at the fact that in 2010 there were 20,000 homeless more to look at the fact that in 20this1ere were 20,000 homeless more to look at the fact that in 20this country,> 20,000 homeless more to look at the fact that in 20this country, registerediomeless in this country, registered homeless, and today there are more than 70,000. and what's mass migration been since then then? well, do you know what? if you have a but if you have a question as you referenced,

about migration, that is a question with policy. question with border policy. once here, have once they're here, you have a responsibility as a human being. you yourself christian, you call yourself a christian, then thy then you should love thy neighbour matter where neighbour no matter where they're go . they're here we go. >> suella braverman has put this out a in a pretty awful way. out in a in a pretty awful way. i think focusing on the tents. okay, fine. none of us want tents on our high streets with people living in them. of course we don't. and it's linked to crime and course, drug misuse crime and of course, drug misuse and of that stuff that no and all of that stuff that no one on their high street. one wants on their high street. but you've got to focus on how one wants on their high street. buget u've got to focus on how one wants on their high street. buget peoplet to focus on how one wants on their high street. buget people out focus on how one wants on their high street. buget people out of:us on how one wants on their high street. buget people out of those how one wants on their high street. buget people out of those tents to get people out of those tents rather taking away the rather than just taking away the tents. got an acute tents. we've got an acute housing crisis in this country, and i've watched documentary after documentary of young families, single parents, people whose rent has risen double, who are essentially just out on their bottoms , nowhere to go, their bottoms, nowhere to go, because we've allowed this housing crisis to get so acute that people simply can't afford to put a roof over their heads. and it's not just drug addicts. and it's notjust drug addicts. it's not just people who are lazy and can't get a job. it's not just hopeless people.

lazy and can't get a job. it's notjust hopeless people. it's not just hopeless people. it's normal people who've never been in often before. in this situation often before. and i do think that the reason why we have a housing crisis is because of planning, but also, as you say, because of migration. the government has not planned for the population that we currently have. and it is appalling that people who have homes their entire have lived in homes their entire lives are now on our streets . lives are now on our streets. and that is the reality. >> i'll be. surely you don't want to us become like those want to see us become like those images of francisco where we images of san francisco where we do rows and of tents. do have rows and rows of tents. >> i don't think we will because fentanyl is a problem in fentanyl is not a problem in this country and one of this country and that is one of the leading causes of homelessness. we're talking homelessness. when we're talking about the about san francisco. so the comparison is comparison with america is actually just stupid. i actually just very stupid. and i don't know why suella braverman made what i actually made it, but what i actually want rather than just want to see, rather than just saying, oh, we don't like homeless we homeless people, how are we actually this? actually going to solve this? >> think sadiq khan has >> so you think sadiq khan has done a job in london? done a good job in london? >> sadiq khan has done a good job? think so. job? i don't think so. >> are we not going the way >> how are we not going the way of san francisco? the conservatives have done a good job. >> we've not done a good enough

job in this country with our housing our housing policy, with our migration with our migration policy, with our mental with our mental health policy, with our drug we want drug policies. if we want to solve these problems we've solve these problems as we've actually solve them, not actually got to solve them, not just about them suella just talk about them all suella braverman is doing is saying, i don't like homeless people. i don't like homeless people. i don't in don't like these tents in trafalgar get trafalgar square. let's get rid of actually of them without actually proposing any workable solutions, what emily solutions, which is what emily and been talking and benjamin have been talking about. i do actually think about. well i do actually think that a point to be made that there is a point to be made there saying that actually there in saying that actually our shouldn't our capital city shouldn't be made look like that. made to look like that. >> there is a these people go, darren, people there darren, these people can there are other alternatives. the councils councils councils and councils are offering certain people who say they don't want to because they quite avoid being put quite like to avoid being put into the system. there are people to no good people getting up to no good potential that have arrived here illegally and all the rest of it who want the system to be away from them, kept away from them. and actually to try and and i think actually to try and diminish that point and say that suella braverman is on a hiding to nothing and just hates homeless people is frankly absurd. basically well, think absurd. basically well, i think as member, member as a member, as a member of the conservative party to say that i

think they ought be ashamed think they ought to be ashamed of their home secretary of having their home secretary anyway, we're going to have to leave it there, because still ahead and emily's going to be asking or not bad asking whether or not bad language towards work colleagues is acceptable . there are a is ever acceptable. there are a few choice words about to be bandied about here. no idea why she might want tackle that she might want to tackle that one, next, a poll suggests one, but next, a poll suggests that the public think politicians exaggerate the culture as a tactic. are culture wars as a tactic. are they right ? are culture wars as a tactic. are they right? are is going to give his verdict. you're with the saturday five live on gb news as

radio. >> good evening and welcome back to the saturday five. now we've got plenty of emails coming in tonight. lots, actually, bob says, what circumstances have conspired to make a person live on the street? have various government decisions and inability , ultimately being inability, ultimately being responsible ? well, i'm sure some

responsible? well, i'm sure some will be personal issues, but a lot may have to do with government choices, duncan says . government choices, duncan says. i'm sure they'd like a hotel, but they don't qualify. for some reason , they do not choose to be reason, they do not choose to be homeless . i think he might be homeless. i think he might be referring to the number of migrants hotels at migrants who are in hotels at the moment. wesley says hi. saturday, checking saturday, five people checking in usa. in from georgia, usa. woohoo! i agree with darren grimes, the uk home secretary suella braverman is definitely in right, is definitely in the right, cracking down on tents in the streets. so there we go . but now streets. so there we go. but now it's time for our next debate. >> yes. up next, albee. and >> yes. up next, it's albee. and albee going to talk about albee is going to talk about a poll which suggests that the pubuc poll which suggests that the public politicians public think politicians exaggerate as a exaggerate the culture wars as a tactic to deflect from their own failings . albee, i assume you failings. albee, i assume you agree with the public on this one. >> the public as ever. darren, are absolutely right. polling from king's college, london's policy institute earlier on this week found that 62% of the great british public that's you at home think that politicians exaggerate the culture war to

distract from other issues . can distract from other issues. can ijust distract from other issues. can i just say, well done to everyone that thinks that because i've been thinking it too, for quite some time , too, for quite some time, politicians have been concocting and stoking the culture war to distract us from where their failings are happening. if we look at our economy, it's flatlining. inflation is running hot, taxes are at a 70 year high net migration is the highest it's ever been. but the politicians want us to argue about whether a trans woman can be a woman. now look, don't get me wrong . i would love it if me wrong. i would love it if politicians could simply ask the question, what is a woman by saying adult human female? but the idea that this is one of the biggest issues facing the country is simply wrong. the idea the debates about institutional racism and net zero are going to decide the outcome about the next general election are totally wrong. the issues facing the country are the economy , migration, the nhs .

the economy, migration, the nhs. and the simple fact of the matter is if my party, the conservative party, isn't able to demonstrate that things are better today than they were in december 2019, we're going to be ushering keir starmer into number 10. rishi it's time to get bold. no not as bold as liz truss , but it's still time to truss, but it's still time to get bold . and i'm not sure the get bold. and i'm not sure the five pledges are going well enough for us to use them as a platform for the next general election. we need to be getting bold on things like housing, reforming the nhs and enlarging the size of the nhs. the defence budget, cutting the nhs waiting list and also getting all those people who are on welfare benefits , all 5 million of them benefits, all 5 million of them back into work and cutting migration . we need to get back migration. we need to get back to basics, stop distracting us with the culture war and get on with the culture war and get on with delivering the people's priority . liz with delivering the people's priority. liz dan grimes you're a bit of a culture warrior, aren't you? do you think you are

one of these people who's been distracted us from the real issues going on in society? >> well, i just think it's naive in the extreme. the idea that a young person who vehemently cares about these things cares about all of these things which let's be honest, there which are let's be honest, there is wing media in this is a left wing media in this country, the established media sliding left like that sliding to the left like that man want us to man there who want us to actually denigrate and destroy much that this country has stood for time. a long, very long time. now, we were talking earlier about the cenotaph and the attempted desecration of that. we saw connor talking about actually the fact that they've got a barrier around the cenotaph, all of these things we saw during the blm , of course, saw during the blm, of course, the riots out there where the cenotaph itself was attacked, someone tried to light the union jack on fire. yeah. you try telling a woman in a prison, for example, that she is focusing on the wrong priorities when she says that a person with a penis has been brought into her prison because they self—identified. but darren, don't you think

don't you think the bigger issue for the women in the prison would be that there aren't enough and that enough prison places and that they're 2 or 3 people in they're having 2 or 3 people in a is built for one? a cell which is built for one? >> surely that's the bigger issue. >> until you change the culture, you cannot focus the economy you cannot focus on the economy until you tackle the fact that people out there disagree with everything that you as a conservative for. you conservative stand for. you ain't to get anywhere. do ain't going to get anywhere. do you i just say, you know what can i just say, darren, you've illustrated what you know what can i just say, d tooli, you've illustrated what you know what can i just say, d fool you we illustrated what you know what can i just say, d fool you are illustrated what you know what can i just say, d fool you are illlthisted what you know what can i just say, d fool you are illlthis ini what you know what can i just say, dfool you are illlthis in avhat a fool you are on this in a nutshell, at a time when prison leaders are warning that people are prisons. are escaping prisons. >> we had example of >> and we had one example of that. just wandered out of that. they just wandered out of wandsworth prison. meanwhile, you're about the you're going on about the hypothetical , in some cases, hypothetical, in some cases, ideas person might ideas that a trans person might go a women's prison. there's go in a women's prison. there's been of examples been only a handful of examples of happening of any of that happening of any description. you're more description. so you're more bothered about resource going on that than actual prisoners sodding off out of the prison? >> what your >> yes. emily, what are your thoughts on this? >> come in on this because >> yeah, come in on this because i would agree with you insofar as i think political party i would agree with you insofar as i “to 1k political party i would agree with you insofar as i “to capitaliseolitical party i would agree with you insofar as i “to capitalise onical party i would agree with you insofar as i “to capitalise on culturety tries to capitalise on culture wars discussion, wars because it's a discussion, it's a current discussion that's

going on. >> but i don't think it's fair to say that the government has stoked these culture wars intentionally from the start. it is left protest groups that is left wing protest groups that have done that, ranging from black to just stop black lives matter to just stop oil to organisations such as mermaids and stonewall . all of mermaids and stonewall. all of these organisations have stoked that culture war. so i don't think it's and i think it is the conservative party who should be standing against that. i don't necessarily think it's some big distraction technique, although they might might try and mobilise some support through it. >> but, but conor tomlinson and also emily, don't you think that the culture war is being fought from both sides, this idea that it's just left wingers like benjamin stoking up culture benjamin stoking up the culture war? benjamin stoking up the culture wari've benjamin stoking up the culture war i've actually benjamin stoking up the culture wari've actually agreed >> i've never actually agreed with? see, both the woke with? you see, both the woke movement and the anti—woke movement and the anti—woke movement stoking up disagreements as much as each other , don't we? sure. other, don't we? sure. >> there are grifters in both other, don't we? sure. >> theibut'e grifters in both other, don't we? sure. >> theibut i grifters in both other, don't we? sure. >> theibut i don'trs in both other, don't we? sure. >> theibut i don't think)oth other, don't we? sure. >> theibut i don't think that camps, but i don't think that means marginalise the issues means we marginalise the issues for example, concerned parents who until about ten minutes ago weren't even aware of this issue

until suddenly their daughter falls prey to trans ideology onune falls prey to trans ideology online and decides to go and get her breasts removed . i've known her breasts removed. i've known people that this has happened to . this is why it's quite a personal issue for me. i've spoken to some of these people. they've had their abilities to have normal families normal have normal families and normal lives because lives bereaved from them because while all looking one while we were all looking one way, focusing on the way, only focusing on the economy end of history, economy at the end of history, the establishment the medical establishment was captured ideology and was captured by an ideology and was taking the lives from these people. think people. so i think fundamentally, that fundamentally, i understand that you as a conservative want to stand on a winning platform because you're concerned about economic could economic downturn that could deliver but it's not deliver a defeat. but it's not just me. >> of the public think >> it's 62% of the public think that politicians are using the culture wars to distract from issues. don't think issues. and don't you think parents are more concerned about whether child whether or not their child can get doctor's appointment if get a doctor's appointment or if their falling down their schools falling down rather gender ideology rather than this gender ideology that you speak of? >> until it actually affects that you speak of? >> andtil it actually affects that you speak of? >> and part actually affects that you speak of? >> and part of .ually affects that you speak of? >> and part of they affects that you speak of? >> and part of the problem is them. and part of the problem is i are disaffected i think people are disaffected with because with the culture war because they care about they would actually care about they would actually care about theissues they would actually care about the issues if it was brought in front they just don't front of them. they just don't think politicians going

think the politicians are going to i don't care if to do anything. i don't care if a politician around and a politician turns around and goes know what a woman is, goes and i know what a woman is, won't you clap for me? great. where for the last where have you been for the last decade this has been decade when this has been permeating every single institution? believe institution? i don't believe you're to be effective. you're going to be effective. >> may say one thing? >> may i just say one thing? >> may i just say one thing? >> not sure was >> because i'm not sure it was caught on benjamin was caught on camera. benjamin was shaking and frowning. shaking his head and frowning. when discussing mean, when you were discussing i mean, anyone you were anyone would think you were coming to harm from transitioning, but benjamin, you must numerous must have seen the numerous interviews been done interviews that have been done from who from some adults now who transitioned as a child and they regret this regret it. surely this is something to be something that does need to be discussed just say , discussed rather than just say, oh, it's just a couple, it's just a handful. these just a handful. well these things in momentum. things are growing in momentum. >> first of all, conor talks >> so first of all, conor talks about being of the about people being aware of the existence transgender people. existence of transgender people. like of like like it's some kind of cult like al—qaeda has over the nhs. al—qaeda has taken over the nhs. you about it with that you talk about it with that level of paranoia and fear, which think is utterly which i think is utterly misplaced. people i worry misplaced. the people i worry about people that about and the trans people that you from, but maybe some you hear from, but maybe some choose ignore, is those who choose to ignore, is those who have known for their whole lives that they not the person that they are not the person they to be physically,

they appear to be physically, and they have had their self—confidence, their dignity , self—confidence, their dignity, their be the person their ability to be the person they stolen they were born, to be stolen from them because institutions and social attitudes were so deeply transphobic. maybe they even weren't able to recognise it. those are the people that we should be concerned about. and i think that when you act with that to you deny them that paranoia to you deny them the to be themselves. the agency to be themselves. >> you must >> these people, you must concede that there are there have been many cases of particularly as well, who particularly girls as well, who have of have gone down the route of transition and they had autism or had other mental health issues , and then they come on to issues, and then they come on to regret it. >> it is there, it's documented. and if you don't believe those people, then that's not to say, you know, anyway, right . still you know, anyway, right. still ahead, more to say on that. ahead, lots more to say on that. but we could discuss that for the rest of the rest of the show, really. but still ahead, it's topic left. and as it's just my topic left. and as the inquiry reveals some it's just my topic left. and as the unsavouryy reveals some it's just my topic left. and as the unsavourylanguagesome it's just my topic left. and as the unsavoury language aske it's just my topic left. and as the unsavoury language ask is quite unsavoury language ask is it okay to openly slag off all of your colleagues when you work with a bunch of clowns like this? for who can blame me?

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gb news? good evening. welcome back to the saturday five. thanks for your emails too. i've just got time for one. naomi says. alby's got it right, but the public are also to blame. they're not interested in boring things like the well, there the economy. well, there you go. >> got make them interested. >> got to make them interested. >> got to make them interested. >> them interested. >> got to make them interested. >> got to make them interested. >> right? >> that's the job, right? >> that's the job, right? >> next, it's emily and she's >> up next, it's emily and she's going to and make them going to try and make them interested as well when she tells us whether thinks tells us whether she thinks bofis tells us whether she thinks boris johnson's former adviser, dominic was justified boris johnson's former adviser, do calling was justified boris johnson's former adviser, docalling ministers was justified boris johnson's former adviser, docalling ministers and justified in calling ministers and i quote, pigs. away you quo t 90, e, and b leep p' |gs . aw a y yo u quote, and bleep pigs. away you go, on gb news. >> please do not swear. but elsewhere this week we did hear some rather fruity language, didn't we? let's treat ourselves to a little reminder of the moment . to a little reminder of the moment. hugo, to a little reminder of the moment . hugo, read out moment. hugo, keith, kc read out some of dominic cummings spicier pandemic whatsapp messages you

called ministers useless pigs . called ministers useless pigs. in the emails and whatsapps to your professional colleagues . your professional colleagues. >> do you think you contributed to a lack of effectiveness on the part of ministers and of the cabinet? no, i think i was reflecting a widespread view . reflecting a widespread view. >> i'm not too bothered by that language. are you at home? on a scale of 1 to 10, how disturbed or perturbed are you? by that? i suspect not a lot of you are. so let's remember at the time the government was in a state of emergency, high stakes crisis. no one knew the extent of the virus and death decisions virus life and death decisions were made day. the were being made every day. the government taking a government was taking a battering too. in the battering every day, too. in the media, toll being media, the death toll was being pumped living rooms pumped into our living rooms every night. against this backdrop, suspect bit of backdrop, i suspect a bit of fruity language was the very least of our problems. so i'm going to throw this to the panel tonight, to the saturday five. i'll be what do reckon?

i'll be what do you reckon? a bit of fruity language from dominic cummings. but surely the inquiry, should be inquiry, what they should be focusing whether lockdown inquiry, what they should be focu worth whether lockdown inquiry, what they should be focuworth it. whether lockdown was worth it. >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> i think my worry about this whole it's now become whole inquiry is it's now become the latest whip with which we should lash boris johnson with rather than actually looking at the things which are going to stop making the awful stop us making the awful mistakes made the mistakes that we made during the pandemic . i just think it's pandemic. i just think it's turned complete rubbish turned into a complete rubbish show, of a better word. show, for lack of a better word. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> conor, i wonder you >> conor, i wonder what you think about because to me think about this, because to me it seems that once again, yet again, media are more again, the media are more concerned with the tattle tittle tattle, the superficial, the mudslinging , the personalities, mudslinging, the personalities, rather than getting to the crux of the matter. yeah it's a giant distraction because we're not evaluating whether not evaluating whether or not lockdown immense amount lockdown caused immense amount of harms, whether was of harms, whether it was economically it, whether economically worth it, whether or saved an immense or not it saved an immense amount lives. amount of lives. >> the john hopkins >> i mean, the john hopkins university analysis university meta analysis already said saved 1700 said that it only saved 1700 compared extra cancer compared to all the extra cancer deaths and deaths from despair. >> like culture war. >> a bit like a culture war. >> a bit like a culture war. >> sort of. it's a bit of >> well, sort of. it's a bit of a personality mudslinging match,

but they didn't go but something they didn't go into the into in whether or not the government was doing its job and in how it was talking to people and colleagues. james the and colleagues. james rubin, the scientist that was part of independent sage, the independent sage, was at the panel and said, we didn't try panel and he said, we didn't try and well, as laura and scare anyone. well, as laura dodsworth in her book dodsworth documented in her book before, kind of contradicts the 2020 sage minute notes where they said that we trying to they said that we were trying to elevate level of elevate people's level of perceived because they perceived risk because they weren't with lockdown weren't complying with lockdown laws. scrutiny of laws. there's no scrutiny of whether to whether or not emily's going to swear in a minute. well, swear at you in a minute. well, there's scrutiny. there's no scrutiny. >> i'm just hoping >> well, i'm just hoping everyone at home keeping up everyone at home is keeping up with conor, because you with you, conor, because you were out different were throwing out different reports, it's good stuff. benjamin >> but it's good stuff. benjamin would your would you slag off your colleagues in a whatsapp? >> do you know, i was >> well, do you know, i was going that you shouldn't going to say that you shouldn't swear about your colleagues, but then i remembered boris then i remembered that boris johnson our johnson is now one of our colleagues. maybe i've colleagues. so maybe i've changed look you changed my mind. look do you know do think? that know what i do think? that obviously things get tense, especially if you're running a business and you're trying to make meet, let alone make ends meet, let alone running country in crisis . running the country in a crisis. but think you shouldn't use but i think you shouldn't use that about your that language about your colleagues, because ultimately

you a relationship you have to build a relationship . you have to work with them. you have to get solutions. and is that attitude in which is having that attitude in which you them such , you describe them in in such, you describe them in in such, you know, aggressive way, is that really inducive getting that really inducive to getting you'd with dominic cummings? >> i mean, look the boris >> i mean, look at the boris johnson's cabinet. do you think that were up scratch? that they were up to scratch? >> i'm terrified to say anything. i quote what anything. instead, i quote what they actually said. look, i might disagree that they're a bit useless or worse than a bit useless, maybe a bit unethical at times. but i just think , you at times. but i just think, you know, i can talk about them like that, know? matt hancock, that, you know? matt hancock, thank isn't isn't my thank god, isn't isn't my colleague. you're a colleague. but if you're in a close environment working with colleague. but if you're in a close eri�*ironment working with colleague. but if you're in a close eri think ent working with colleague. but if you're in a close eri think you working with colleague. but if you're in a close eri think you have1g with colleague. but if you're in a close eri think you have1g �*act| people, i think you have to act with certain of respect with a certain level of respect that you can't call them that says you can't call them and jeffing. >> do you think these >> darren, do you think these whatsapp should have whatsapp messages should have even a focus point of the even been a focus point of the inquiry ? it was rather bizarre inquiry? it was rather bizarre to see hugo, keith, kc reading out these this course language and then using it to, i don't know , show evidence of some kind know, show evidence of some kind of culture. >> i just can't understand what

relevance they are to the inquiry as in the fruity language used. how on earth in fact, emily what i would say is i don't think this government has been as effective than since he was in charge when boris when dominic cummings was in number 10, at least things got done. benjamin buttennorth might not agree with what was being done, but at least the country was getting things done. so i personally can't stand this hr ification of absolute everything where they go through whatsapp with a fine tooth comb looking for nasty words, hurty words that we can all twist about in the papers. get a grip. the country was going through this virus that was ripping apart the country, so those people are not going to be in government again, most likely. >> so surely the learnings about the personality and the language that dominic cummings used is pretty irrelevant right now. >> i mean, i do think it's pretty irrelevant . pretty irrelevant. >> i don't really mind too much. i was much more concerned about

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protests so far. one person was seen displaying a placard that police believed could incite hatred. another was arrested on suspicion of breaching public order and a third for assaulting a police officer . meanwhile, a police officer. meanwhile, london's charing cross station has reopened after being forced to temporarily close due to a sit in by hundreds of protesters . as the prime minister says , . as the prime minister says, plans by some groups to protest dunng plans by some groups to protest during remembrance commemorations are provocative and disrespect . thoughtful. in and disrespect. thoughtful. in a statement, rishi sunak said the right to remember in peace and dignity must be protected . dignity must be protected. labour leader sir keir starmer echoed those comments, saying he supports the police in whatever action is needed . the foreign action is needed. the foreign office says it's pressing for the rafah crossing to be reopened after it was temporarily closed today. in a statement , a spokesman temporarily closed today. in a statement, a spokesman described the situation as disappointing and said they remain in contact with british nationals in the region. 112 uk nationals were on

the list to leave gaza through the list to leave gaza through the crossing today. it's not yet known how many were able to make that journey. earlier. scotland's first minister, humza yousaf, announced that his family now been able to family has now been able to leave gaza . israel defence leave gaza. israel defence forces released footage earlier of the military blowing up tunnels in gaza and clearing an area of explosive devices . it area of explosive devices. it comes as un officials warn there's no place that is safe in there's no place that is safe in the strip as the conflict continues . news israel's pm continues. news israel's pm benjamin netanyahu has rejected calls from the us secretary of state for a humanitarian pause until all hostages taken by hamas are freed . well, as we've hamas are freed. well, as we've been hearing, suella braverman wants to restrict the use of tents by homeless people in towns and cities , warning that towns and cities, warning that british streets risk going the same way as some in the united states. pope posting on the home secretary said many tents are occupied by people, quote, from abroad , living on the streets as abroad, living on the streets as abroad, living on the streets as a lifestyle choice, end quote.

reports say the crackdown would target tents that become a nuisance, such as those blocking shop doonnays . russell brand is shop doonnays. russell brand is being sued by a film extra who claims she was sexually assaulted on a us movie set. his accuser says the actor was carrying a bottle of vodka and appeared intoxicated when he approached her on the set of arthur in 2010. the lawsuit has been filed in new york and is the first accusation to be made against brand in court. brand has not yet responded to that lawsuit . this is gb news across lawsuit. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to the . now let's get back to the. saturday five. >> thank you, ray. it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm emily carver. we're to going start with bunch of five where we discuss five big stories, which have caught our eyes this week. you may have missed. what are

missed. darren, what are we starting with tonight? well, emily, starting the emily, we're starting with the one stephen fry , who one and only stephen fry, who has describing his has been describing his substance with john substance issues with john cleese in his brilliant new show, the dinosaur hour is what it's called . it's called. >> it's on tomorrow. so do watch . and fry has claimed that childhood sweets were a gateway to his cocaine addiction . he to his cocaine addiction. he cited an addictive impulse that developed from the sugary treats. now, i'll tell you, as a child, i had a penchant for certain sweets. i may even now, but i haven't, as a consequence, developed a desire for the colombian marching powder. i'll be. did you have a sweet tooth? >> no, i didn't actually have much of a sweet tooth. i've always been the kind of man that has a starter or two starters instead of dessert with dinner. so i'm much a saver. so i'm much more of a saver. have you, darling? but. but, yes, of course you have, sweetheart. but what i would say to fry is that think to stephen fry is that i think there's a likelihood that. yeah i if you're addicted to i think if you're addicted to sugar brings out sugar as a child, it brings out these so these addictive traits. so you might likely to become might be more likely to become addicted another addictive

addicted to another addictive substance when you're older. in steven's cocaine . steven's case, cocaine. >> the only thing that i worry about it may well about here because it may well be it triggers some be true that it triggers some kind addictive personality. kind of addictive personality. and if you're addicted to sweets or anything really , then you may or anything really, then you may go on to go to on the drugs. and i people give up i know when people give up drugs, they may turn to the sweets for that very reason. but i do worry that the public health lobby jump what health lobby will jump on what stephen and then stephen fry has said and then talk about how they should we should sweets more should ban sweets and put more warnings and let's warnings on sweets. and let's remember, people enjoy remember, most people can enjoy a sweet or two in moderation . a sweet or two in moderation. >> benjamin, you're partial. >> benjamin, you're partial. >> do you know what i think? if sweets trigger something like this, then you've clearly got a quite a fundamental problem because who never has sweets, right? that's an extremely normal you never. well, normal thing. you never. well, you're not normal. we've learned that hour. but what that in the last hour. but what i'd know, i'd say is that, you know, stephen fry spoken with with stephen fry has spoken with with great eloquence his mental stephen fry has spoken with with great estruggles. his mental stephen fry has spoken with with great estruggles. he his mental stephen fry has spoken with with great estruggles. he hass mental health struggles. he has bipolar, which causes the most acute mood swings , you know, acute mood swings, you know, that people have. and i suspect that people have. and i suspect that those kind of troubled

traits that he has to manage and medicate are probably have something to do with him falling foul of addiction to other things, you know, because , you things, you know, because, you know, often people with mental health problems , you know, health problems, you know, it goes those kind of goes on to those kind of consequences. so i it consequences. and so i think it would a mistake to cut those would be a mistake to cut those out the description of how he out of the description of how he developed those problems. so do we like you and developed those problems. so do we out like you and developed those problems. so do we out the like you and developed those problems. so do we out the sugar? like you and cut out the sugar? >> i think it's and don't eat meat and just eat meat. >> yeah. look, it's been very helpful i just couldn't helpful for me. i just couldn't process and felt process sugar and i felt terrible. and i think we do have an obesity crisis, particularly childhood in this childhood obesity crisis in this country. there country. and even though there is health lobby pushing is a public health lobby pushing to is our food, to regulate what is in our food, there equally and has been there is equally and has been for many years a powerful agriculture lobby agriculture and food lobby that's been lobbying the government, particularly in america, a real america, where this is a real issue put high fructose corn issue to put high fructose corn syrup and things like that in their food , to it full of their food, to pump it full of things aren't nutritious, things which aren't nutritious, but drive up the calories and make i think it's make people fat. so i think it's fair say there are fair to say that there are people actually that might get addicted and might addicted to sugar and they might click the hair trigger in them.

they might make them addicted to other it's other substances. i think it's pretty setting pretty cruel that we're setting this the diet for this as the de facto diet for kids. >> well, should we move on? because tonight there will be a firework display well across the country will be many country there will be very many firework displays where many gathered of gathered for an evening of family fun. >> according a recent >> but according to a recent survey, only 14% of us will even attend one. and to top this off, almost 80% of us want fireworks banned altogether, 80% of us, 4 in 5, 8 in 10 of us want them banned. in 5, 8 in 10 of us want them banned . connor, back to you. banned. connor, back to you. have we become a nation of absolute killjoys ? absolute killjoys? >> i do think there is an element of curtains twitching in this. now, i'm not a big fan of fireworks. i am going to a display, but it's only to help a bro because he used to go bro out because he used to go with his girlfriend every year and now he's just got me instead. poor and yet i get instead. poor guy. and yet i get people like when people don't like when their dogs petrified it. it's dogs are petrified by it. it's not i've had it before, not good. i've had it before, but we do to grow up but we do have to grow up a little bit at this point if we're being so inconvenienced by loud noises that the loud noises that we ask the government step in. i think government to step in. i think society's a little bit too

society's got a little bit too safe for mollycoddled. i don't think to be banned. think they need to be banned. >> benjamin was talking to a >> benjamin i was talking to a representative veterans, representative for veterans, a veteran charity, were veteran charity, and they were saying they more saying that they want more regulations of fireworks because for with ptsd, it for some veterans with ptsd, it can them. can trigger them. >> yeah, i think i heard that discussion and i hadn't thought of from that angle. of of it from that angle. and of course, you it tragically, course, you know, it tragically, that makes a lot of sense that it would be very difficult for them. you know you know them. do you know what you know what opinion isn't as what my opinion isn't as profound effect on dogs profound as the effect on dogs and i find it really and veterans. i find it really annoying . do you know, i mean, annoying. do you know, i mean, maybe it's acceptable on a on a night like this around the bonfire season, right. i think you kind of have to be a reasonable and accept reasonable citizen and accept that other enjoy that lots of other people enjoy this. but do you know what? when people let fireworks off randomly it's their randomly because it's their birthday or, you know, their cat's or whatever it cat's bar mitzvah or whatever it is like on a pro—palestine march, looks of the march, by the looks of the bulletins, just like, you bulletins, i'm just like, you know, will you shut up? and i also think maybe shouldn't know, will you shut up? and i also it1ink maybe shouldn't know, will you shut up? and i also it altogether, shouldn't know, will you shut up? and i also it altogether, but shouldn't know, will you shut up? and i also it altogether, but maybel't know, will you shut up? and i also it altogether, but maybe ban ban it altogether, but maybe ban it. after 10 pm. setting off fireworks wake fireworks because it can wake you up. it can be, you know,

highly disruptive as if you're you up. it can be, you know, higbed disruptive as if you're you up. it can be, you know, higbed dis10:00. as if you're in bed at 10:00. >> it's is cosied up after his bath. >> well, at least it's my own bed. >> i can't believe we're having a conversation on gb news about a conversation on gb news about a great british tradition. guy fawkes night from someone that tried to blow up the houses of parliament. saying, parliament. and we're saying, oh, fireworks. the oh, let's ban fireworks. the only true patriots. this is a great tradition. it is a great british tradition. it is a story the about story from the past about someone tried blow up someone that tried to blow up our democracy, our place of democracy now, it deserves democracy now, and it deserves its and we should be its place and we should be celebrating it. >> 80% of i was shocked normally. >> listen, the great british public, i could not believe these statistics . these statistics. >> the great british public have let with their let me down this time with their polling. i think you're polling. look, i think you're totally on this. i think totally wrong on this. i think everyone's just a you know, everyone's just got a you know, grow little bit and accept grow up a little bit and accept that a couple of days of the that for a couple of days of the yean that for a couple of days of the year. year's eve, diwali, year. new year's eve, diwali, guy fawkes night, we have fireworks. can actually fireworks. you can only actually buy by the way, in the buy fireworks by the way, in the lead fawkes night and lead up to guy fawkes night and a bit aftennards. and a little bit aftennards. and also the up, how do they also in the lead up, how do they get the rest already? there's already of regulation on already a lot of regulation on fireworks already a lot of regulation on fireyeah, watching this show. >> yeah, i'm watching this show. >> yeah, i'm watching this show. >> . i actually like

>> yeah. i actually really like bonfire night. you my nana bonfire night. you know, my nana used together our display used to put together our display in small area that i grew up in the small area that i grew up in, in county durham, and it brought everyone together and i think that was really think that that was a really important history as well important history lesson as well to those horrible to learn about those horrible people but anyway people in parliament. but anyway , well , this week marked the , well, this week marked the king's first visit to a commonwealth country as monarch. >> so during his four day state visit to kenya, the king addressed what he called abhorrent and unjustifiable acts of violence committed against the kenyans. kenya's president praised the king's exemplary courage in shedding light on uncomfortable truths , but others uncomfortable truths, but others expressed their disappointment at the lack of formal apology . at the lack of formal apology. benjamin should the king have made a formal apology ? made a formal apology? >> well, the truth is that it's not an option that he has because the uk government would have to set out that statement . have to set out that statement. we already paid, i think, £10 million or £20 million pardon me, to kenya about ten years ago by but explicitly was not an

apology. it was to the victims of an atrocity that britain carried out in, what was it, the 60s. and so we've done that . i 60s. and so we've done that. i think that britain would be a stronger country , be a more stronger country, be a more respectable country on the global stage if it did apologise. you know, we did those things. we shouldn't shy away from taking accountability. well we as britain did, we benefit from hundreds of years. >> we sat here alive today. king charles wasn't on horseback marching in, was he? >> hold on. the british empire actually lost money running the empire. it was a moral crusade to stop things like bride burning and decommissioned burning and the decommissioned the happening the slave trade, which happening in with their in african nations with their neighbouring africans. so no, we haven't benefited from hundreds of colonial ism. the of years of colonial ism. the world benefited from us. world has benefited from us. >> if you believe that, then i've got chocolate teapot to i've got a chocolate teapot to sell don't think know sell you. i don't think you know the, the india company, what was it called? east indian company that was a business that slaughtered an enormous number of people india . it didn't do

of people in india. it didn't do that it bothered that because it was bothered about traditions in about the cultural traditions in in parts of india. did it it did it to make a fortune, actually . it to make a fortune, actually. >> parliament concerned >> parliament was concerned about traditions of about the cultural traditions of india and they were concerned about global slave trade. india and they were concerned aboit global slave trade. india and they were concerned aboit wit'snal slave trade. india and they were concerned aboit it's a. slave trade. india and they were concerned aboit it's a little> trade. india and they were concerned aboit it's a little bitide. >> i think it's a little bit ridiculous to say that the uk, the empire, rather the british empire, rather benefited these colonial benefited all of these colonial subjects. there were good things the did . there were the empire did. there were lots of things empire did. of bad things the empire did. that's not something which is contested argument that contested or the argument that we're whether or we're having today is whether or not king charles needs to apologise which apologise for things which happened 50 or 60s. happened back in the 50 or 60s. i now the mau mau i believe now the mau mau uprising terrible thing. i uprising was a terrible thing. i was actually speaking to a kenyan whose remembers kenyan whose mother remembers what happened during that period. people into period. people put into concentration why concentration camps. why separated from their husbands? we did some terrible things in just a generation ago, so it's important that we acknowledge that. but whether not i think that. but whether or not i think we to be apologising for it we need to be apologising for it now, no one really is now, where no one really is responsible for that anymore, i think that's wrong. paid think that's wrong. we paid the reparations 2013. let's reparations back in 2013. let's move on and talk about the future. i also wonder, okay, if

we make an apology and for if we make an apology, is that enough? >> will that stop? you know, the constant calls for more apology and reparations ? and reparations? >> i'd give an example of all of this. >> i think it's difficult of when someone has been murdered or a similar appalling crime happens in one of the things that a judge will look out for often, that the victim is family will out for is for for the will look out for is for for the the perpetrator to show remorse. >> that's something that means a lot. and i'd suggest that given this is recent enough that it was in charles's lifestyle, that lifetime um, pardon me that that people, the offspring and the people, the offspring and the people that were around at the time i think an time are still alive. i think an apology would go, well, hang on then, because in iraq, your mate, tony blair, had a lot to do. >> should the iraqis be >> there should the iraqis be given compensation and an apology his majesty, king apology by his majesty, the king >> because what we did in >> no, because what we did in iraq out one of the iraq was take out one of the most dictators that the most evil dictators that the world moral crusade. >> interesting. >> right. that's interesting. >> right. that's interesting. >> yeah, think this

>> well, yeah, i just think this gets on a rich , really dark gets us on a rich, really dark trajectory where it just never ends. >> yeah, it's different from, you know, asking the perpetrator to apologise for a crime in a witness box or in court because it's not the actual perpetrator that's saying sorry, is it? it's the whole country. if the monarch says sorry for something, he's apologising on behalf of britain, the nation. yeah. and that's why it's so controversial. >> now, this week, folks, a ukrainian military intelligence spokesman said a report on the alleged death of the russian leader was a strategy to test putin's domestic popularity. now, the claim about his death still gained worldwide media coverage, forcing a kremlin spokesman to deny it . emily, spokesman to deny it. emily, what do you do to test your popularity ? popularity? >> i certainly wouldn't pretend to be dead . yeah, well, i hope to be dead. yeah, well, i hope that's for sure. there was a story. do you remember? a little while back about someone who posted a video? it was a stunt of her dad dying or something and then didn't tell the family for a week. anyway, i think we discussed it. maybe on this

show. yes, you've got the memory of a nap. i have, yeah. anyway anyway, what i would do to test my popularity is host party my popularity is host a party and see if anyone turns up. >> darren well, benjamin, i can see sort of sharon see you being a sort of sharon shannon matthews type hiding under the bed. national media attention on, well, you know, what lengths would you go to? >> i shy away from attention . >> i shy away from attention. you'll know that after years you'll know that after two years on channel. but you know on this channel. but you know what? sick of, actually. and what? i'm sick of, actually. and it's kind of what emily just said is you get these social media influencers, which is a flattering way to describe these people. so many times you've people. and so many times you've seen people an seen people say that an influencer has died. they haven't they just wanted influencer has died. they hav attention they just wanted influencer has died. they hav attention of ey just wanted influencer has died. they hav attention of it. just wanted influencer has died. they hav attention of it. list wanted influencer has died. they hav attention of it. i think nted the attention of it. i think we've got into a pretty ugly i think we've got into a self centred society party where people are obsessed testing people are obsessed with testing their popularity and how much attention can get. attention they can get. >> what story >> do you know what this story actually me of? actually reminds me of? basically me, when my and basically me, when my sister and i toddlers and we all used i were toddlers and we all used to have baths together, i remember time specifically, remember one time specifically, i in the bath i pretended to die in the bath and my youngest sister, who must

have the have been about three at the time, burst into time, literally would burst into tears every single time i pretend to and i do it over pretend to die and i do it over and again for and over again just for attention. so i find it absolutely hilarious that a grown man like putin is getting media organisations do the media organisations to do the same game that i used the same prank rather that they used to play prank rather that they used to play on sister the play on my sister in the bathroom or toddlers. >> dead? >> could he be dead? >> could he be dead? >> hope so. >> well, i hope so. >> well, i hope so. >> oh, i think honestly, you look at putin's face, the only way kill putin off would be way to kill putin off would be to put something in his botox filler of him. >> yeah, i mean, connor, what would you do? what lengths would you to? you go to? >> would take leaves probably >> i would take leaves probably at 2006 youtube pranksters at the 2006 youtube pranksters where paid people off where they just paid people off to them down street or to chase them down the street or say, oh , gone and things say, oh, gone wrong. and things like mean , this is part of the like i mean, this is part of the trend that you see on social media of where we've just media now of where we've just had earlier last year had missy earlier last year committing home invasions committing weird home invasions and assaulting people in the street. exactly. just for attention . yeah. and then we attention. yeah. and then we recently had on social media anymore. well, thank for anymore. well, thank god for that. had the that. and we recently had the palestinian who palestinian protester who decided get a bunch mice

decided to get a bunch of mice in a box and chuck it in mcdonald's on that was mcdonald's on tock. that was just yeah. just for clickbait. yeah. >> so that's true. >> so that's true. >> are losing their minds >> people are losing their minds for just online attacks. but i love the burgers. love the new burgers. >> a bit >> well, something a bit different for our fifth story, the britain's loneliest the saga of britain's loneliest sheep after sheep has been resolved after the scottish society for prevention of cruelty to animals called rescue attempt . called off their rescue attempt. >> a team of volunteers stepped in. one of the team said, we've named her she's now safe named her fiona. she's now safe and well and heading a well and well and heading to a well known scottish park. known scottish farm park. darren, heart warming, darren, this is heart warming, isn't it? >> well, i thought it was heartwarming until benjamin told the actually he's the group that actually he's wearing today . and have wearing fiona today. and have you spent all day thinking of that one? but i did think my heart broke when i read the story of the if someone was paddung story of the if someone was paddling around two years before seeing the same sheep at the same spot and assuming that the sheep would be able to get its way back up the mountain or what hill or whatever it is. and i just thought, oh, that actually made me realise i do actually

have a heart. >> it's warmed your cold heart. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> just thank god it wasn't in a tent. >> but this. >> but this. >> you're the wearing it. >> you're the one wearing it. >> you're the one wearing it. >> the british public really, really. show much they really. we show how much they care animals. when a story care about animals. when a story like along. think like this comes along. i think there were 50,000 people signed a . yes. to bring her a petition. yes. to bring her home and to save her. but then some people were saying that actually she might like it. there >> well, i don't know if i was a sheep. i think i would probably be a lone sheep on a mountain somewhere, just like nice and high looking down on everyone high up looking down on everyone else. say something about else. so say something about your alby . your personality, alby. >> know. looking down >> i don't know. looking down your you're learning a your nose. you're learning a lot, folks. >> learning a lot. >> you're learning a lot. >> you're learning a lot. >> just see the sheep having a great it's great time. maybe now it's having awful time with all having an awful time with all the other it's got, you the other sheep. it's got, you know, know, kind contest know, you know, kind of contest the space and water. the hay and space and water. now, apparently sheep cried now, apparently the sheep cried out for attention when she was going her little boat again. >> right? yeah. so it was could it have been a cry of happiness? well, i don't think so. it's apparently it sounded more like apparently it sounded more like

a bleating . sort of. please a bleating. sort of. please help. >> isn't that just how sheep sound? >> i mean, i don't think she speaks sheep, but, you know, don't. >> i don't know what the crack was there. >> i think it's rather a nice story. i do, too. hopefully the sheep some friends and sheep will make some friends and it's like me and doesn't it's a loner like me and doesn't want to just be a lone sheep away from everyone up on my hill. >> right. >> right. >> well, anyway, i'm sure viewers listeners at home viewers and listeners at home are the has are happy that the sheep has come to safety and maybe will have some friends, but still to come well, will ask come tonight, well, we will ask whether spencer are whether marks and spencer are ruining christmas. yes or is it all a storm in your eggnog? no darren's eggnog. plus, we'll answer all your questions in flummox the five. but next, do asexual need more rights or is this a minority group too far ? this a minority group too far? you're the saturday five live on

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five cheers very much for your company and for your emails about tonight's topics. now we've got our first ever email from an animal and it isn't fiona the sheep. this one's from alfie the cavapoo. and he says , alfie the cavapoo. and he says, let's have a look. please ban fireworks. they terrify me. oh, poor alfie . poor alfie. >> they are terrifying for dogs. i remember my bob who was not a cavapoo, but a cockapoo. he he cowering. >> oh, god bless. >> oh, god bless. >> god bless bob ellen's written in and she says the lonely sheep being saved has saved my day. well, ellen, until benjamin got his greasy little mitts on her, that's all i can say now , that's all i can say now, though, it's time for our first guest tonight. yes >> so this is the big question that everyone is asking . do that everyone is asking. do asexuals need more representation ? that is the representation? that is the basis of a report which was unveiled last week called ace in the uk. it was published to mark the uk. it was published to mark the end of asexual awareness week. yes, me neither. and

launched by model yasmin benoit. there were a series of complaints listed in the report with some people claiming they did not feel able to come out as a asexual asexual asexual. >> sean connery at work while others protested the fact that asexuality is not recognised as asexuality is not recognised as a sexual orientation . a sexual orientation. >> i'm not sure i've ever said asexual. so much. however, do these asexual complainants have a genuine grievance or is this yet another group searching for a victimhood? journalist and women's rights campaigner joe bartosch has been writing about this topic and she joins us now. albee, take it away. >> hello, joe. thank you so much for joining us so maybe you can forjoining us so maybe you can begin by telling us what a asexuality actually is . asexuality actually is. >> well, i mean, i think it's fairly legitimate to say that some people have a low sex drive and sometimes there's a medical reason for that when it comes to asexual reality and its particular campaign. i think essentially it's stonewall

looking for a new form of income, a new stream of income or a new group to represent and to be honest, i think it's a lot of narcissists poses . of narcissists poses. >> and what is it that these these asexuality activists are actually calling for ? what does actually calling for? what does this stonewall report actually tell us? well, i mean, it's interesting isn't it, because they haven't been able to articulate which rights exactly it is that they're that they're lacking . lacking. >> um, i think one thing that thatis >> um, i think one thing that that is notable from the report is that it does seem to be very much a youth focussed list movement if you like. so so it's quite noticeable that a lot of those who are calling themselves asexual are very much younger and i think that's probably a result of being brought up in a society where is so normalised. so i think they think if you don't want to have sex all the time , then clearly you're a time, then clearly you're a special group of people that need special protections. some of them complained about not being able to come out as

asexual at work, but then, to be honest, how does talk about sex at work? others complained about about not being or not having their, um, their issues considered properly by medical professionals. and at the minute they mention they had a low sex drive or they were asexual that was seen as something that needed to to, be addressed. but the fact is it could be something that needs to be addressed. so another thing, for example, is that we know that that that certain antidepressants and anti anxiety medications can have a really powerful effect on libido. they can really it can really lower libido. so i think actually , if libido. so i think actually, if we are seeing sort of a massive increase in people identifying as asexual, it could well be that their that it's due to their medication because so many more people on them, on on people are now on them, on on sort of prescription medications. um, and of course, one of the complaints that i saw in the report when i was reading it, i couldn't quite believe my eyes at some of the things. >> but one of the complaints was

that asexuals feel that other lgbt people don't accept them, and think that and they just think that straight trying be straight people trying to be special those lgbt people special and those lgbt people right , are definitely are . right, are definitely are. >> i mean, of course they're straight people trying to be special. i mean, even if they're not straight people trying to be, they're just. yeah, mean, be, they're just. yeah, i mean, who cares if somebody who the hell cares if somebody is sex or it's is having sex or not? it's really not a special identity. i mean, think most middle mean, i think most most middle aged probably aged married people probably feel bit asexual. you feel a little bit asexual. you know, not everybody wants know, it's not everybody wants sex time. that's that sex all the time. that's that doesn't you a special type doesn't make you a special type of person that makes you kind of normal. >> joe bartosch, thank you so much us this evening much for joining us this evening to talk us through the in much for joining us this evening to tuk us through the in much for joining us this evening to tuk report)ugh the in much for joining us this evening to tuk report from the in much for joining us this evening to tuk report from stonewall. the uk report from stonewall. earlier on this so earlier on this week. so benjamin , i know you're not benjamin, i know you're not a sexual, but what do you make of this asexual rights movement ? do this asexual rights movement? do they need to be protected by the equality act? yeah, not getting laid and being asexual aren't the thing . the same thing. >> look , i mean, it's a matter >> look, i mean, it's a matter of science and has been for some time that asexuality is a is a real thing, that there are people who do not have a sex

drive at all and that's how they've been designed as a person. >> so he likes the science. now not a consequence. two minutes ago, you didn't know what a woman was. you know, you just the same record every week, aren't you, darren? the same record every week, areiyou ou, darren? the same record every week, areiyou know, rren? the same record every week, areiyou know, and�* that need >> you know, and does that need to in the equality act? >> well, the fact is that that makes people feel very ostracised. it makes them feel outside of the norms of society. benjamin live in it even for you. >> you don't believe this. you think absurd . think it's absurd. >> and benoit, who no one >> and yasmin benoit, who no one cares, who want to have cares, who doesn't want to have sex? yasmin benwell the asexual model. oxford union model. we did the oxford union together. her and me together. it was her and me versus young and kristen, versus toby young and kristen, konstantin kostin about what? about has woke culture gone too far? an asexual yasmin and i said, no, we need more woke. so clearly she's a very she's a very wise person . very wise person. >> but darren grimes rape is already illegal. what are the legal protections? do asexuals need ? need? >> well, they don't. they just want attention . that's all they want attention. that's all they say is i'm sick. so sick of all of this stuff. i mean, you both said benjamin and albee at the

start, you know, the start, that, you know, the culture wars are a distraction from else. well, from everybody else. well, having discussion for 15 having a discussion for 15 minutes on someone not wanting to have a isn't my idea of actually being talking about the things that matter . to be things that matter. to be perfectly honest, the most hysterical thing that i saw on social media about this was a young lady claiming to be asexual. >> i think she was on a march about it and she was dressed in bdsm clothes. >> yeah, but you can you can. you can like to dress that way and to feel empowered without wanting to do the act. >> what it is, what it is, it's an attention signal and it's a deliberate provocation and something that came up in what you said was, okay, what discrimination they're facing. >> okay. >> well, they feel right. okay. so community is a so this community is a consequence of us being too abundant. wouldn't been abundant. you wouldn't have been able them before able to locate them before social because don't social media because don't exist in place. what they in a time and place. what they want positive right to your recognition. >> well, do you know pound >> well, do you know what pound shop jordan peterson might think like oh, i think we should like that? oh, i think we should stand asexual girls.

like that? oh, i think we should sta|right. asexual girls. >> right. >> right. >> there's shop, >> well, there's pound shop, stonewall. ahead, stonewall. but still ahead, we'll of your we'll answer all of your questions in flummox the five. but next, marks and spencers have a christmas advert have released a christmas advert which have much to have released a christmas advert wh with have much to have released a christmas advert wh with christmas, have much to have released a christmas advert wh with christmas, to ave much to have released a christmas advert wh with christmas, to be much to have released a christmas advert wh with christmas, to be honest.) do with christmas, to be honest. harmless or a festive farce. harmless fun or a festive farce. we'll that next with the we'll discuss that next with the saturday five live on .

radio. >> good evening. welcome back to the saturday five. thank you very much for your emails. i've got time for one, sue says. i love the visual splendour of fireworks, but appreciate that the sound causes great terror for some animals and some people. why not encourage more wonderful light laser laser shows? it seems that the sounds are the big problem, not the visual display. yes i've seen some amazing ones actually, in dubal some amazing ones actually, in dubai. we were talking about dubai. we were talking about dubai week on this show dubai last week on this show because fancied moving because ben leo fancied moving there but they have there. but yeah, they have incredible displays . and i

incredible light displays. and i think there's something about fireworks, though, isn't it? >> i've seen amazing ones at disneyland, but when it's, you know, burnley in his know, derrick in burnley in his back garden, not the back garden, really not the same, is it? >> derrick done to you? >> right, folks never. least i want to talk to you about mary christmas. right. christmas. yeah, that's right. not christmas, because that's what m&s have said in their festive it's christmas and it festive ad it's christmas and it matters to us what a tone deaf move from such a british favourite. let's have a look . favourite. let's have a look. but i won't do that. >> no, i won't. but i won't do that. >> no, i won't . don't do that. >> no, i won't. don't do that. i would do anything for love. anything you'd be dreaming of. but i just want to that don't know how. oh, i just want to that. know how. oh, i just want to that . how know how. oh, i just want to that. how long. no, no . that. how long. no, no. >> this christmas do only what you love. >> yeah. so you miss the merry

christmas bit there. but honestly, i think actually the chief offices of m&s that signed off on that must have been on the eggnog early but to join joining me to discuss this is the trade unionist and author paul embry. paul is criticism of the advert justified or am i being a miserable sod? no i'm with you on this one. >> darren. i think the whole thing was extremely ill judged and frankly pretty stupid. i just think, look, christmas in this in this day and age, this fast moving world, we're a very kind of atomised, fragmented society and christmas is one of those few events that at least has the capacity to bring people together , to unite us. and it together, to unite us. and it seemed to me that this advert was peddling a message that was very kind of anti that very anti—christmas basically saying , anti —christmas basically saying, look, anti—christmas basically saying, look, we all know that christmas is a pain in the backside. um,

and we all know you don't really enjoy it and you should just go out and do your own thing and be selfish and be very individualistic about it and just kind of think what, what i'm thinking. because whoever decided to market this, think as alienated a large part of their own core base at marks and spencen own core base at marks and spencer, and maybe they'll pay a price for it, who knows. absolutely >> because i mean, i don't have the statistics, but i imagine if you were to poll all marks and spencer customers, the vast majority of them would be small c conservatives who absolutely find calling christmas this mess. and actually talking about the sense of self and the individual being more important than the us and the shared endeavour of christmas actually utterly appalling . utterly appalling. >> yeah. but what we have to remember is that marketing departments and advertising departments and advertising departments are largely run by a particular cohort of people.

they tend to be fairly young, you know, 20 or 30 somethings. they tend to be graduates , they they tend to be graduates, they tend to be very kind of progressive in their views , progressive in their views, hyper liberal in their views . hyper liberal in their views. and they generally and you know, try not to stereotype here, but generally they tend to be very kind of anti anything that smacks of tradition or religion or cultural mores or custom and that kind of thing. soto or cultural mores or custom and that kind of thing. so to them, you know, peddling a campaign like this, probably didn't really mean much because it chimes with their worldview. although interestingly, i doubt very much they would have commissioned the same campaign in respect of a festival for any other religion. can you imagine marks and spencer's commissioning an advert over eid, for example, or diwali , and eid, for example, or diwali, and within that advert, essentially mocking the tradition of that particular festival and setting light to the decoration , they light to the decoration, they would not do it. we all know

they wouldn't do it. but of course christianity is fair game, isn't it? it always comes for in a kick in by by these kind of people with a progressive worldview . so progressive worldview. so i can't say i'm terribly surprised by it. i just think it was stupid and ill judged. >> and just finally then, paul, whilst i've got you, i mean, you're used to fighting fires. m&s are going to be fighting quite fire over this one. do quite the fire over this one. do you actually think calls for you actually think the calls for a boycott are justified ? well a boycott are justified? well i think that if people are put out enough by it, then they're quite justified in saying, look , you justified in saying, look, you know, i don't want marks and spencer to have my custom because sooner or later i think some of these companies who peddle these kind of woke campaigns the whole time , not campaigns the whole time, not because they believe in them, but just because they want to flaunt their progressive credentials. >> don't really care about >> they don't really care about what people think until their profits are hit, until they're hit in the pocket, and then and we saw it with bud light, didn't we? sudden they think,

we? all of a sudden they think, oh, we better not do that again. so people are inclined do so if people are inclined to do that, criticise them that, i wouldn't criticise them for it. >> i mean, walk, go broke. >> i mean, go walk, go broke. paul mean, i my christmas paul i mean, i had my christmas food was hovering the food order. i was hovering the mouse over, but paul embery, thank you enough. thank you very much for your time. thank you enough. thank you very much for your time . paul all much for your time. paul all right, panel, benjamin buttennorth, after that, very rude comment, i am. >> what did he say? >> what did he say? >> he said, i'm fat enough and the turkey's ready . the turkey's ready. >> dismiss you must be a fan of this dismiss. >> you're a they them, aren't you ? you? >> where did we find you? look, you know what? first of all, i'm just glad that we live in a country that is sufficiently stable. we can get bothered about this, to be honest. the real message of that m&s advert is don't need go and is that you don't need to go and you know, get dolled up and spend all the effort on all dolled up. yeah, but it's about saying be with your saying you can just be with your family, can just the family, you can just enjoy the love and pleasure of love and the pleasure of

christmas. there was one christmas. >> family throwing an >> there's no family throwing an elf roof. elf off a roof. >> but look, do you know what? >> but look, do you know what? >> i find it hilarious the way people about this people get wound up about this stuff. you know, the original controversy about this advert was that there paper hats was that there were paper hats thrown in a fire that were red, green and white. the colours of the flag and m&s the palestinian flag and m&s issued public apology issued a formal public apology saying, to clear, we saying, just to be clear, we weren't burning the palestinian flag. that shows how flag. so i think that shows how ridiculous this . ridiculous this. >> argument isn't >> but this argument isn't ridiculous. paul is right say ridiculous. paul is right to say it didn't didn't appear to it didn't they didn't appear to be family. be any family. >> was more to be >> this was more seemed to be about. singleton yes , did. about. singleton yes, it did. advert having embraced advert about having embraced festive embracing you festive christmas embracing you don't care about family don't have to care about family but i'm sorry but those who but i'm sorry but for those who can to get their can afford to get their christmas shop from m&s, it's likely to be likely that you're going to be having people have having most people still do have some traditional family some kind of traditional family christmas, so it seems odd to want to mess with that. i don't know if and make it seem so atomic atomistic. >> oh, big word from you today , >> oh, big word from you today, emily. and your fractions are very impressive , but i find it very impressive, but i find it difficult to get annoyed about this and i wonder if this is an

example of a media bubble story where we're all getting quite annoyed about it. when emily is quite right. people that shop at m&s, the m&s, what percentage of the population be buying their population will be buying their christmas stuff from m&s? if you really that you can really hated that much, you can all to waitrose, but all switch to waitrose, but everyone at probably everyone else at home probably doesn't that much everyone else at home probably doesn�*this that much everyone else at home probably doesn�*this and1at much everyone else at home probably doesn�*this and they're h about this stuff and they're worried about whether not worried about whether or not whether not they can afford whether or not they can afford their see, their christmas turkey. see, i don't with that. don't agree with that. >> connor, do you agree >> chris connor, do you agree with a lot of with me that quite a lot of people really value christmas and they value the togetherness that brings that that christmas brings them that one where you get one time of year where you get together that with together around that table with a you are as one. you a turkey and you are as one. you are united with your family, with your niche whatever with your niche and whatever else it might be. and actually what marks and spencer have done here alienate their here is actually alienate their key shopper essentially. >> well, particularly because the families people value the families that people value at time so lovingly are not at this time so lovingly are not depicted in that all. depicted in that ad at all. and i'm glad brought up the i'm glad you brought up the palestinian hats, because as paul said on there, they issued an the potential an apology to who the potential muslims who might have been afraid might been insulted afraid might have been insulted

by they were afraid by this because they were afraid of backlash. weren't of the backlash. they weren't worried about the christians who felt denigrate saying felt denigrate covid by saying we destroy the things we should destroy the things associated with you. that's a good. and hold one minute. good. and hold on one minute. hold there's a reason why i hold on. there's a reason why i don't think is just a media don't think this is just a media bubble that is if we bubble story, and that is if we neglect our traditions and we neglect our traditions and we neglect the heritage the neglect the heritage of the country us to defend country that allows us to defend our times crisis our values, when times of crisis come our values are under come and our values are under question, do we defend them? question, how do we defend them? >> people, the only >> the only people, the only people were those people that were thinking those coloured hats were about the palestinian flag, were just idiots get wound up by that , idiots to get wound up by that, as if, you know, the advert was filmed in august. unless m&s is run combination of hamas run by a combination of hamas and they didn't know and mystic meg, they didn't know about was still about what was going to still afraid who be afraid about who would be offended, they weren't offended, but they weren't afraid the christians retaliating. >> they knew they would make the whole christmas. just whole idea of christmas. just one in my argument. one flaw in my argument. >> whole of christmas >> the whole idea of christmas in it's all marketing. >> the whole idea of christmas inwas it's all marketing. >> the whole idea of christmas in was to it's all marketing. >> the whole idea of christmas inwas to get it's all marketing. >> the whole idea of christmas in was to get pagans marketing. >> the whole idea of christmas in was to get pagans toxrketing. >> the whole idea of christmas in was to get pagans to convert it was to get pagans to convert to christianity. christ wasn't it was to get pagans to convert to ch born nity. christ wasn't it was to get pagans to convert to ch born iny. christ wasn't it was to get pagans to convert to ch born in december. sn't it was to get pagans to convert to ch born in december. the whole even born in december. the whole idea of christmas. as we celebrate it's all celebrate it now, it's all marketing . it's not just all marketing.

>> it's been a tradition for hundreds and people hundreds of years and people value it. and so m&s did not show the due respect to people who see christmas as a time of family and faith. >> do you know what the most annoying thing about the advert was? well, the whole saga. i mean, that m&s apologised. mean, is that m&s apologised. yeah right. pathetic. >> still ahead, yeah right. pathetic. >> forget still ahead, yeah right. pathetic. >> forget the still ahead, yeah right. pathetic. >> forget the brilliantrd, yeah right. pathetic. >> forget the brilliant mark don't forget the brilliant mark dolan going to here at 9 dolan is going to be here at 9 pm. but before that, we asked for your questions and we're about answer it's about to answer them. it's almost time for flummox the five get ready you with the saturday five live

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reached the top of showjumping with live from . with live from. nine oh. >> welcome back to the saturday hive. we've had another email from a furry friend and emily's going to read this one. >> okay, i will do. my name is kai. i'm a gun dog and i couldn't give a toss about fireworks language . give me the fireworks language. give me the noise of a shotgun. oh, any day . noise of a shotgun. oh, any day. oh, well, there you go, punchy dog there, kai. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> i like the sound of kai. yes, he's not cowering in the corner. >> no, he's not under the bed or, you know, i once found my dog well under the sofa , of dog well under the sofa, of course, under the bed. >> but sometimes, you know, he finds most places to finds the most obscure places to hide from the fireworks. >> terrified. poor thing, though no cares about. no one probably cares about. >> dog. but there you >> about my dog. but there you go. that many share. it's flummox the five now >> it's flummox the five now where wonderful viewers set where you wonderful viewers set the agenda. she has very much for sending your for sending in all your questions for us.

>> yes. >> yes. >> so we have this one from linda linda says, when linda first, linda says, when i eradicates all jobs will we have a government? well i hope not. linda, what do you reckon , linda, what do you reckon, darren, you hope we don't have a government . well, not one of us government. well, not one of us who is the successive ones? >> oh, this one. this one. i would prefer a human government than a robot. i was going to say , you want some robot overlords? >> that's true. >> that's true. >> libertarianism. yes >> libertarianism. yes >> i mean, i think we will still have a government. yes. but i can't imagine that there's going to be much in the way of employment, is there? >> so they'll be the only ones? >> so they'll be the only ones? >> or i a luddite? >> or am i a luddite? >> or am i a luddite? >> i mean, some right wingers would say that they'll always be government those that's government jobs. those that's one thing that goes one thing that never goes anywhere. think anywhere. yes. i actually think when that elon when people i know that elon musk said at the conference earlier week the uk earlier this week in the uk that, know, it could it that, you know, it could it could undermine human existence because a purpose. could undermine human existence beciactually, a purpose. could undermine human existence beciactually, i a purpose. could undermine human existence beciactually, i think a purpose. could undermine human existence beciactually, i think you purpose. could undermine human existence beciactually, i think you couldyse. but actually, i think you could have computers have said that when computers were mainstreaming the 80s were mainstreaming in the 80s and 90s, you could have said

that when cars horses that when cars replaced horses in 20th century, the in the early 20th century, the truth that employment is much truth is that employment is much higher it 100 years higher now than it was 100 years ago got a lot of ago and we've got a lot of technology. so i don't think we should be afraid. >> just worried >> well, you're just worried that there's not going to be a space for gobby left wingers. >> no robot could replace me. >> no robot could replace me. >> i think should worried >> no robot could replace me. >> i tthe should worried >> no robot could replace me. >> i tthe governingi worried >> no robot could replace me. >> i tthe governing structure ed about the governing structure that goes into ai, the biden administration put out an ai bill of rights a little while ago that ago and they said that we shouldn't information shouldn't put mal information into the ai algorithms. mal information is correct. facts shared appropriate context. >> connor now robots have rights. >> i thought you were about to say they're asexual or something like that. >> robot actually has >> well, the robot actually has a to us. a right to us. >> it turns out, because in the bill as well, it said that if you're dealing an you're dealing with an algorithm, a right to a algorithm, you have a right to a person assigned to that algorithm. the legal algorithm. so the legal framework gives which framework gives robots which have i'm not have regulation for al. i'm not saying have a saying we shouldn't have a regulation i'm saying regulation for it. i'm saying the regulation is mental the current regulation is mental and render humans and it will render humans obsolete. >> become the >> i mean, i'll become the revolution keir starmer revolution in sir keir starmer in number 10, we are going to have robot in charge, aren't

we? >> well, i don't know about that and we don't know that keir starmer to be a number starmer is going to be a number 10. conservatives 10. perhaps the conservatives can pull out of the bag. can pull it out of the bag. >> it's a possibility. what's going >> it's a possibility. what's goiinext >> it's a possibility. what's goii next up, >> it's a possibility. what's goiinext up, folks, we've got >> next up, folks, we've got freddie written freddie and freddie's written in. says, see good in. he says, let's see how good your basic math skills are. what is the second perfect number for good luck? oh, i feel like that's a very dismissive good luck. come on, emily. you're good at this. what's the perfect number two? >> number seven? >> is it number seven? >> is it number seven? >> is it nine? i don't. >> is it nine? i don't. >> look at me. >> look at me. >> i'm my dyscalculia. >> i'm my dyscalculia. >> i'm my dyscalculia. >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> oh, apparently the answer was 28. so we were all right. >> why is it. >> why is it. >> why is it. >> why is it a perfect number? do we know? >> we'll never know. >> we'll never know. >> is it? i don't know. we'll find out. i will find out. >> us know for next >> can you let us know for next week? next up. >> yes. from jenny labour have accused rishi sunak of angling for after his elon musk for a job after his elon musk interview. just setting interview. was he just setting himself future himself up for a future career? well, jenny, i think you might be on to something. there because the way rishi soon hack was giggling at elon musk and

his body language , he did look his body language, he did look like he might fancy a job in silicon valley. >> no rishi sunak is going to be prime minister for the next ten years. okay >> hope not. >> blooming hope not. >> blooming hope not. >> i actually think this was a diplomatic coup for the country to get all of those important people around a table, all the nafions people around a table, all the nations of the world coming round here. the elon musk, the richest man in the world, to come to britain and actually discuss the technology that is going to influence absolutely every part of our life. i think actually there's reason to be proud of britain in that moment. >> well, cynical . >> well, cynical. >> well, cynical. >> yes. i think you're pretty naive. i mean, look, the bloke knows that he's going to be out of office in about a year's time. we also know, because it came out while he was applying for of tory leader that for the job of tory leader that he card to keep he had his green card to keep his citizenship status available in the us. now if he wasn't looking a silicon valley job looking for a silicon valley job for you know, big bucks job for a, you know, big bucks job in the then why he in the us, then why would he have that? have done that? >> it is like what nick clegg

did leaves did immediately after he leaves office. chief office. he becomes chief of global at facebook. office. he becomes chief of gloivery at facebook. office. he becomes chief of gloivery lucrative at facebook. office. he becomes chief of gloivery lucrative being ebook. office. he becomes chief of gloivery lucrative being onnok. office. he becomes chief of gloivery lucrative being on the it's very lucrative being on the inside and then on the outside or a thorning—schmidt, the or hell, a thorning—schmidt, the former of former prime minister of denmark, same route. denmark, she did the same route. >> think it's very likely >> i think it's very likely that's what rishi sunak sees himself this is the thing. big >> well, this is the thing. big robot will have a lot of power over regulation. it is. >> is regulated. >> it is regulated. >> it is regulated. >> it's to be a real >> it's going to be a real conundrum. right. our next question, and question, dom has written in and dom according the dom says, according to the european survey, european social survey, the majority now hold majority of brits now hold positive impact of positive views on the impact of immigration. what are your positive views on immigration? well, emily, what are your positive views on immigration? >> well, my grandmother was german . german. >> ah, yes, of course . >> ah, yes, of course. >> ah, yes, of course. >> so that's positive. i wouldn't be here were it not for my grandmother meeting an englishman. >> connor, what are your positive views? the french did an all right job in after 1066, i guess. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> they helped to set the country up. i don't really have many given the rate of immigration, the social problems that it's causing at the moment. and i would also your friendship

with me, i don't really have many, unfortunately . i would many, unfortunately. i would also who they're also question who they're polling, how many and whatnot because as we've seen with the last ten years of government voting, every manifesto pledge has been to lower immigration. the british public seem to have wanted that. >> from callum >> all right. next from callum callum's question callum's emailed in question for all the would ever all of the five, would they ever like to host the saturday five in a pub and take questions from a audience? i would a live audience? i would absolutely , absolutely love absolutely, absolutely love that. i once went on the that. callum i once went on the on the road with michelle dewberry and it was lot of fun. >> i absolutely would. >> i absolutely would. >> well for that >> i'd be well up for that because i always like a drink, but there we are. thank you very much, benjamin, much, callum. now, benjamin, would do that? would you do that? >> i mean, i need to drink to get working as get through working with you as it is. >> so at least i'll have an excuse in a pub. i'll be. >> i think it's a brilliant idea. let's do it. >> all right, let's do it. let's do it. all right, producers, are you listening? get your bank books you listening? get your bank boo right. you listening? get your bank booright. thanks you listening? get your bank boo right. thanks guests >> right. thanks to our guests tonight, brilliant connor tomlinson. >> much. now, next up, >> very much. now, next up, folks, equally folks, it's the equally wonderful mark i'll

wonderful mark dolan. and i'll leave you all with this regard wonderful mark dolan. and i'll leav perfectll with this regard wonderful mark dolan. and i'll leav perfect numbersis regard wonderful mark dolan. and i'll leav perfect numbers in'egard wonderful mark dolan. and i'll leav perfect numbers in number and perfect numbers in number theory, a perfect number is a positive , integral, integral, positive, integral, integral, integral integer. >> equal to the sum of its positive divisors excuse . positive divisors excuse. >> student number itself. >> student number itself. >> words and numbers are a failed maths at school. >> really? you can tell there's a shot. >> fortunately , you're all >> fortunately, you're all keeping me in a job here watching this. so thank you very much. >> kind samaritans, just like suella braverman . suella braverman. >> i'll see you all next week . >> i'll see you all next week. cheers for your company . cheers for your company. >> hello there. good evening . >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . a provided by the met office. a slight mixed picture for those of us stepping out for fireworks shows the next couple of shows over the next couple of days, particularly tonight, there showers there will be some heavy showers across southeast across parts of southeast england, some rumbles england, maybe with some rumbles of of rain of thunder outbreaks of rain also northern central also for northern central england parts wales. england into parts of wales. quite murch quite a lot of mr murch developing. also drier conditions generally for northern ireland scotland. northern ireland and scotland. underneath skies, underneath some clearer skies, some developing here as

some fog developing here as well. but underneath those clearer temperatures clearer skies, temperatures dropping the low dropping off down into the low single figures for some rural spots a touch single figures for some rural spots underneath a touch single figures for some rural spots underneath the a touch single figures for some rural spots underneath the cloud ch single figures for some rural spots underneath the cloud across more underneath the cloud across england and wales. that will take clear its way take some time to clear its way off sunday, slowly drifting off into sunday, slowly drifting over sea and over towards the north sea and then the afternoon, we'll then into the afternoon, we'll see pushing way see showers pushing their way into western districts into coastal western districts of england, scotland and of wales, england, scotland and northern generally the northern ireland. generally the further you are rule of further east you are rule of thumb, more likely you are to say drier into the day, but might see few showers might still see a few showers pushing the midlands down pushing into the midlands down into south—east england well. into south—east england as well. temperatures ranging between ten and we said , into the and 14 c. as we said, into the new week. low pressure new working week. low pressure sits north—east of sits itself to the north—east of the so we start feeding in the uk. so we start feeding in this feed of this northwesterly feed of air quite so once quite persistently. so once again on monday, showers will be most frequent across the west, could heavy at times, maybe could be heavy at times, maybe with some rumbles of thunder and hail. quite breezy hail. also still quite breezy for many but once again, for many of us. but once again, eastern seeing largely eastern areas seeing largely dry conditions eastern areas seeing largely dry condition of sunshine . amounts of sunshine. temperatures generally around average for the time of year. shower theme continues into tuesday, but more persistent rain arrives to wednesday. enjoy

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