evans and former editor suzanne evans and former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards . but before of that, let's . but before all of that, let's get your latest news headlines with sophia . with sophia. >> good afternoon. it's 3:00. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom . humza yousafs in—laws newsroom. humza yousafs in—laws have arrived back in scotland after being trapped in gaza for more than three weeks. mr yousuf confirmed the news on and posted a photo of the reunion , saying a photo of the reunion, saying he's pleased his in—laws are safe and back home. the foreign office is pressing for the rafah crossing to reopen to allow uk nationals to escape gaza. 112 people were expected to leave yesterday when the crossing was temporarily closed . it is temporarily closed. it is unknown how many, if any , were unknown how many, if any, were able to make the journey . boris able to make the journey. boris johnson has visited a kibbutz as he continues his tour of israel in a show of solidarity wtih the former prime minister who arrived in the country this morning, made the trip alongside former australian prime minister

scott morrison . earlier they met scott morrison. earlier they met idf soldiers in jerusalem and later mr johnson is expected to meet israeli president isaac herzog . hezbollah claimed to herzog. hezbollah claimed to have made struck a vehicle near an israeli military outpost on the border with lebanon. there are reports of casualties, but no confirmation from israeli authorities so far . the incident authorities so far. the incident took place near the border outpost in yiftah. there are several videos on social media showing sustained gunfire in the area around the israeli outpost. the window for civilian evacuation from north gaza to the south has now closed . antony the south has now closed. antony blinken has left israel to continue humanitarian talks in turkey with foreign ministers. the us secretary of state met the palestinian president mahmoud abbas in an unannounced visit to ramallah in the west bank. president abbas told him an immediate ceasefire is needed.the an immediate ceasefire is needed. the pair also discussed getting more aid into gaza and efforts to restore stability to the west bank. prime minister

rishi sunak and home secretary suella braverman have expressed concern about further pro—palestinian protests during armistice day. the police met. commissioner sir mark rowley has promised to take a robust approach and to use all the powers available to ensure commemorative events are not undermined . deputy prime undermined. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says armistice day should be about honounng armistice day should be about honouring the sacrifices made by previous generations . as i have previous generations. as i have really grave concern about this and i think that certainly representing a large jewish community as i do, but it's broader than the jewish community, we should be honounng community, we should be honouring and respecting the sacrifice made by previous generations, and we certainly shouldn't have the kind of intimidation that you see in those marches . meanwhile shadow those marches. meanwhile shadow defence secretary john healey says we live in a democracy and must balance the right to protest . protest. >> it's an operational decision for the police. they are to talking the protest organisers who want to show their

solidarity with palestinians and they're looking at a different place in london at a time. two hours after the remembrance service at the cenotaph and i hope we'll be able to get to a situation where we're not banning the right of protest, but we're absolutely ensuring that the remembrance , that the remembrance, recognition and honour of those people who've served and fallen to defend us in this country is fully respected . fully respected. >> the hamburg airport hostage situation has ended, according to police in germany. it's after an armed 35 year old man used a vehicle to break through security and onto a runway with a four year old child in the car. the suspect and his daughter exited the car, ending an 18 hour ordeal that closed northern germany's busiest airport . police say it is likely airport. police say it is likely airport. police say it is likely a custody dispute and that the suspect was arrested without resistance and the child appeared not to be injured . and appeared not to be injured. and prince william has arrived in singapore to attend the 2023 earthshot prize ceremony . the

earthshot prize ceremony. the prince of wales is hosting the united for wildlife global summit in conjunction with his earthshot environmental initiative. he hopes to shine a spotlight on south—east asia's role in the illegal wildlife trade. the earthshot awards on tuesday will see five category winners presented with £1 million each to scale up their environmental ideas. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker. by saying play gb news now it's back to nana . thank you sophia. back to nana. thank you sophia. >> it's fast approaching. six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana now before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my head to head is joining me today, political commentator suzanne evans and former of the labourlist former editor of the labourlist peter edwards. right so here's what else is coming up. the

government is facing backlash over to broaden over its proposals to broaden the definition of extremism . the definition of extremism. leaked documents have put fear into some groups who feel freedom of expression could be suppressed. then is it really nearly time up for joe biden? i mean, can he stumble over his words any more? today marks one year until us voters are back to the polls. is he still capable to be running office and who might his successor be? now, motorists, listen up . drivers in motorists, listen up. drivers in london are attempting to dispose of vehicles that do not meet the requirements of ulez claim that the mayor's scrappage scheme grant are facing significant delays. so where is all the money going? and are you still waiting to receive a payment ? waiting to receive a payment? let me know. we'd love to hear what your thoughts are on it. then home secretary suella braverman has faced backlash after saying that rough sleeping is a lifestyle choice. well, she wants to restrict the use of tents by homeless people that block doonnays and other public

spaces. but do you agree with this? do you think that they are a nuisance? is she out of order for saying such a terrible thing and then are christmas adverts losing the plot? m&s has come under fire christmas under for fire their christmas advert criticism the advert after criticism over the burning paper hats and that burning of paper hats and that looked like the colours of the palestine flag. mean, this was palestine flag. i mean, this was actually i recorded in actually i think recorded in august, they weren't to know. august, so they weren't to know. but are your thoughts ? are but what are your thoughts? are we and we overthinking things and overreacting or are they being a bit showing? this bit silly showing? is this foolishness. me know all of foolishness. let me know all of that on the way in the next houn pve that on the way in the next hour. i've got an amazing mystery guest. stay tuned to find that is. tell me find out who that is. tell me what think. as ever on what you think. as ever on everything we're discussing, email views at news. com email gb views at gb news. com or tweet at . gb news. so the or tweet me at. gb news. so the government is facing a backlash over its proposals to broaden the definition of extremism. so it will aim to include those who undermine the country's institutions and values. now, these proposals are supposed led

by michael gove , have faced by michael gove, have faced complaints from civil rights groups with some warning that it risks criminalising dissent . and risks criminalising dissent. and now the government argues that we need to combat extremism. but critics caution that a broader definition might impede legitimate political activism and the right of freedom of expression . so let's welcome expression. so let's welcome again to my head to head as political commentator suzanne evans and also former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards. all right. i'm going start all right. i'm going to start with you, suzanne evans. what do you so first reaction you think? so my first reaction to thatif you think? so my first reaction to that if you wanted to to this is that if you wanted to make that was going to be make a law that was going to be a complete dinner of a complete dog's dinner of a mess, i think this is going mess, then i think this is going to it. to be it. >> somebody who undermines the country's institutions and values. how is going values. now how is that going to be defined, exactly? >> what are these countries values? >> you get people in >> i think you get 12 people in a and they would all a room and they would all disagree that, let disagree about that, let alone whether whole whether something the whole country who are country could agree on. who are the countries institutions? >> presumably that might >> well, presumably that might include the church england >> well, presumably that might incl|the the church england >> well, presumably that might incl|the the chfamily. england >> well, presumably that might incl|the the chfamily. so gland and the royal family. so somebody church somebody criticising the church of they going of england, are they going to be in and potentially, you in trouble? and potentially, you know, if they're not

know, deported if they're not a british , somebody british citizen, somebody that wants disestablishmentarianism hmm. >> i've always wanted to give that into an interview. >> ever somebody that >> first time ever somebody that wants, you know, the church and state somebody state to separate or somebody that get rid of the that wants to get rid of the monarchy . monarchy. >> think that's extremism. >> i think it's legitimate views. but that definition is a recipe for disaster. it is a threat to freedom speech. threat to freedom and speech. >> think we've got >> and i think we've got a situation where the country's in an at the moment. an absolute mess at the moment. >> have got protests >> we have got these protests which i'm with suella braverman on this. >> think are hate >> i think they are hate marches, happens marches, but what happens is when try and introduce laws when you try and introduce laws on the of extreme unusual on the back of extreme unusual situations , that's when you get situations, that's when you get really bad law. any any lawyer will tell you that that extreme cases make bad law. >> and as i say, i think this is going to be a total dog's dinner of a legislation if it goes through. of course, through. not, of course, withstanding the that withstanding the fact that also most government will most government officials will be opposed to it. be vehemently opposed to it. >> well, >> peter edwards well, it does risk criminalising dissent and i heard another voice say earlier today example, what if today that, for example, what if you're against the house of lords? >> that's a british institution

on it's one can agree or disagree about that, but it's a completely legitimate political aim undermine the house aim to undermine the house of lords in parts of life. lords. in other parts of life. there people who want to there are people who want to undermine the city of london, which know, probably which is, you know, probably goes than years. goes back more than 1000 years. one of the oldest, most long standing powerful bits standing and powerful bits of the reasons the uk. these are all reasons and proportionate that one and proportionate aims that one can agree or disagree with. but they'd be gone about peaceably . they'd be gone about peaceably. so it's completely improper. i think the one crumb of comfort is it looks like we'll have a general within 12 general election within 12 months. be another case months. it might be another case of really announcement. itis we've say something. it's we've got to say something. it's saturday into the saturday night to get into the sunday newspapers from a government a government that looks a bit tired it may never happen. tired and it may never happen. i hopeit tired and it may never happen. i hope it will never happen. >> so what do you think then? so you don't the definition you don't think the definition should you don't think the definition sho no. and also think think >> no. and also think think about issues we've got at about the issues we've got at the moment. we've got a cost of living got living crisis. we've got horrific the middle horrific situation in the middle east obviously east and obviously we've got a lot of process and a rise in anti—semitism , in islamophobia anti—semitism, in islamophobia in the uk . the idea that you in the uk. the idea that you kind of try and quell legitimate

and i stress the word legitimate, but quell legitimate political is total political debate is total distraction . distraction. >> it doesn't seem >> yeah, but it doesn't seem that there seems to be people are able to call for things like jihad and a lot of them are getting away with it. surely you don't it's time sort of don't think it's time to sort of start adapting, expanding the laws i mean, laws a little bit? i mean, people about of people talk about freedom of speech , but still have to speech, but if we still have to have laws that protect have some laws that protect people, well, there is a law. >> it's called incitement to hatred. >> and think calling for >> and i think calling for jihad. can't think of anything jihad. i can't think of anything that that. that doesn't fit into that. >> i i'm not a lawyer, but >> i mean, i'm not a lawyer, but surely this stuff is covered by existing legislation. surely this stuff is covered by existican'tgislation. surely this stuff is covered by existican't iislation. surely this stuff is covered by existican't i can'twn. surely this stuff is covered by existican't i can't imagine that >> i can't i can't imagine that it's not covered the it's not covered by the terrorism act. >> if you're calling the act >> if you're calling for the act of of your country. of destruction of your country. i this this is i just think this is this is just a mess as i said. >> okay. so if the laws cover it, why are we experiencing this mess being able to mess of people being able to call jihad all sorts of call for jihad and all sorts of things? think that's a very things? i think that's a very good adequate laws. are we good adequate laws. why are we why they not appearing to why are they not appearing to work? lawyer is probably work? well a lawyer is probably better to judge. >> but i suzanne is right >> but i think suzanne is right to say there's a vast amount of

legislation the statute legislation on the statute book that so lots of these that covers so lots of these points. so if you intimidate someone by your use of language, if intimidate if you intimidate them physically goes more physically and then it goes more specific recent specific examples, recent examples shouting on examples of people shouting on streets. israel, the world's only jewish state, should not have a right to exist. you're have a right to exist. so you're talking the annihilation talking about the annihilation of and me, that's of israel. and to me, that's very offensive. and i very offensive. and as i understand police are understand it, the police are empowered take action on that empowered to take action on that already . already. >> i the question is, why >> i think the question is, why aren't they why there's two? >> no point >> because there's no point extending definition . and >> because there's no point extereven definition . and >> because there's no point extereven withiefinition . and >> because there's no point extereven with the|ition . and >> because there's no point extereven with the current ind then even with the current definition, you're not definition, you're still not doing could do. so doing what you could do. so there's issues, aren't there? >> mean, police just >> i mean, one, the police just are possibly not not interested or two, they're completely outnumbered, got outnumbered, haven't got the powers , haven't got powers, haven't got the resources, haven't got the will. they that if they start they know that if they start arresting people at some of these marches, those protesters are pile on are probably going to pile in on them physically verbally. them physically and verbally. >> got to be in >> well, they've got to be in trouble they're trouble because they're just haven't on the ground. >> and so i think what we've seen is the police instead picking very targets. picking on very easy targets. they've picking not on the they've been picking not on the protesters, shouting jihad ,

protesters, shouting jihad, they've picking on people. they've been picking on people. bystander whoever, say, bystander whoever, who say, actually, you're wrong actually, you know, you're wrong , carrying , mate, or people carrying british or, you know, does british flags or, you know, does that seem a bit ridiculous? >> well, what do you think at home? you know how to get in touch. gbnews.com or touch. gb views gbnews.com or tweet gb news. it's just tweet me at gb news. it's just coming up to 13 minutes after 3:00. we've got many things 3:00. we've got so many things to bring you in the show and a very, interview that to bring you in the show and a vcan't interview that to bring you in the show and a vcan't mention interview that to bring you in the show and a vcan't mention untilrview that to bring you in the show and a vcan't mention until it ew that i can't mention until it arrives. but today marks stay with me you'll like it. but with me if you'll like it. but today marks exactly one year until us voters will be heading back to the poll stations to elect a new president. now many are speculating that the 2020 4th be a rerun of 2020 of 4th may be a rerun of 2020 of that election. but with the roles reversed with incumbent president joe biden taking on his former rival donald trump. but a lot can happen in a year. but a lot can happen in a year. but is joe biden's time in office up? >> haven't been able to communicate it in a way that is might say another way, but the nature . not solid meeting

might say another way, but the nature. not solid meeting . might say another way, but the nature . not solid meeting . with nature. not solid meeting. with with . the if it isn't already i with. the if it isn't already i can't get why he's still there and why they haven't worked out that he just i don't think he's well enough to be running such high office. >> but looking back, president joe biden's catastrophic withdrawal afghanistan , withdrawal from afghanistan, iran that led to the deadliest attack on americans in afghanistan since 2011. and we're in a situation now where two wars going on. so what is what is biden's next step? that's if he is able to find the step down. let's get the thoughts of my panel, step down. let's get the thoughts of my panel , political thoughts of my panel, political commentator suzanne evans and former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards. peter edwards, joe , is he fit to be joe biden, is he fit to be running such high office? >> he's certainly fit. and, you know , there was a free and fair know, there was a free and fair election last time and he won it. and you know, that could be the end of the matter. is he going to stand again? i think

so. and in america, the presidents do actually publish their medical reports, is their medical reports, which is not we've done the not something we've done in the uk. he's came as uk. and he's came out as reasonable. well, obviously he is going to his party's is going to be his party's candidate. i'll tell you one other thing about the clips, obviously show him hesitating. i think people's speech patterns change as they get through life or if they're tired. apologies if i pause too much in this sentence, you might think i'm knackered. but biden's gaffes are wrong thing are saying the wrong thing rather than hesitation have been part half part of his career for half a century. what about falling asleep in the middle of asleep then in the middle of a sorry, i shouldn't laugh? what? did he fall asleep? >> he has fallen asleep quite a few times, actually, on meetings, you know , i think the meetings, you know, i think the defence part of his team, i think, was resting his eye as well, wasn't it ? well, wasn't it? >> we don't know though, do we? we don't know that much about his health because we're only going to get selected extracts from report. from his medical report. >> we don't >> it was actually, we don't know, 26. >> we know if he was sleep >> we don't know if he was sleep well. i mean, we all feel like feeling when we watch

feeling asleep when we watch government conferences televised. i think for eight hours day. we don't know if he hours a day. we don't know if he fell asleep or he's his fell asleep or he's closing his eyes. think there's a huge eyes. i think there's a huge amount speculation. well, one amount of speculation. well, one is to with consciousness, amount of speculation. well, one is to it? with consciousness, amount of speculation. well, one is to it? there'snsciousness, amount of speculation. well, one is to it? there's a ciousness, amount of speculation. well, one is to it? there's a hugeless, amount of speculation. well, one is to it? there's a huge amount. amount of speculation. well, one is tbut there's a huge amount. amount of speculation. well, one is tbut ifhere's a huge amount. amount of speculation. well, one is tbut if you's a huge amount. amount of speculation. well, one is tbut if you's a huge aeyes1t. >> but if you close your eyes and if i was to just go, well, that's that's not great. >> can carry on talking with our eyes closed. >> can carry on talking with our eyei closed. >> can carry on talking with our eyei canted. >> can carry on talking with our eyei can you know. yeah but >> i can you know. yeah but that's not great especially when you're supposedly the leader of the world. peter seems you're supposedly the leader of thnthink world. peter seems you're supposedly the leader of thnthink thatd. peter seems you're supposedly the leader of thnthink thatd. couldter seems you're supposedly the leader of thnthink thatd. could carryems you're supposedly the leader of thnthink thatd. could carry on. to think that he could carry on. >> he will. we could say >> i think he will. we could say all three of us could agree in the studio that should step the studio that he should step down, won't. will. you down, but he won't. will. you know, we don't carry on. it's not going to happen. we don't agree anyway. he's going to agree anyway. no, he's going to carry will he be facing carry on. will he be facing trump next well, trump again next year? well, that exciting, wouldn't that would be exciting, wouldn't it? a real person it? yeah. there's a real person me that that would be me that thinks that would be fantastic. would me that thinks that would be fantasiall would me that thinks that would be fantasiall the would me that thinks that would be fantasiall the right would me that thinks that would be fantasiall the right people, the annoy all the right people, the wrong case. wrong people in your case. >> but trump's ahead, isn't he, in of the he is republican in terms of the he is republican primaries polling. it primaries and the polling. so it looks rerun, which looks like being a rerun, which probably not fill us with probably does not fill us with too much enthusiasm. probably does not fill us with too butch enthusiasm. probably does not fill us with too but i| enthusiasm. probably does not fill us with too but i thinkusiasm. probably does not fill us with too but i think itiasm. probably does not fill us with too but i think it will. probably does not fill us with too but i think it will be great >> but i think it will be great fun. i think it would be

enormous fun. and of course, i think also potentially that if joe again against joe biden does run again against trump, trump might win trump, i suspect trump might win again. then be really again. so then we'd be really back square one we'll back to square one and we'll have whole will go have the whole media will go nuts. we'll have the whole bunch fight again over us politics. trump thing trump every little thing trump does every time he rests does or says every time he rests his eyes for more than a millisecond, he'll be pounced on. i think the media millisecond, he'll be pounced on. given i think the media millisecond, he'll be pounced on. given joe think the media millisecond, he'll be pounced on. given joe biden k the media millisecond, he'll be pounced on. given joe biden muchmedia millisecond, he'll be pounced on. given joe biden much more have given joe biden much more of pass and yes, hasn't he? >> come on. no on this program. >> come on. no on this program. >> well, that's because we're not the others we're not not the others and we're not prepared look at that. and prepared to look at that. and allow and pretend that allow it to go and pretend that that's acceptable. but a lot of the others are quite happy. they that's acceptable. but a lot of the otthoe are quite happy. they that's acceptable. but a lot of the otthoe biden te happy. they that's acceptable. but a lot of the otthoe biden because. they that's acceptable. but a lot of the otthoe biden because. twas wanted joe biden because it was anything trump. and now even anything but trump. and now even the are of the democrats are thinking of getting they don't getting rid of him. they don't even him either. even want him either. >> so if biden stands and win, will you happily accept the outcome a free and fair vote? outcome of a free and fair vote? >> won't win. >> biden won't win. >> biden won't win. >> that's big call. >> that's a big call. >> that's a big call. >> he won't win against sexually corrupt donald corrupt opponent in donald trump. been trump. well, he hasn't been really with anything, really charged with anything, really, that's just lots really, has he? that's just lots of allegations and lots of different of allegations and lots of differe|seem to private settlements. >> yeah, he's had lots of >> yeah, but he's had lots of people probably

people have probably had settlements. joe settlements. what about joe biden? hunter biden's biden? what about hunter biden's laptop? all that laptop? i mean, there's all that going about this case? going on. what about this case? well okay. but it's important in corruption. the difference? >> dangerous ground, peter. they're both dodgy. >> think donald is >> i don't think donald trump is a proper candidate. a fit and proper candidate. >> he's fit. >> well, no, he's fit. >> well, no, he's fit. >> he's physically, >> whether he's physically, maybe fit. maybe physically fit. >> what we're talking about. joe biden is i'm making >> joe biden is i'm making a different point. i think donald trump the probity and the trump lacks the probity and the decency to be a candidate. yeah, but you know, during reign, but you know, during his reign, there wars. but you know, during his reign, thejoe wars. but you know, during his reign, thejoe biden, wars. but you know, during his reign, thejoe biden, we've wars. but you know, during his reign, thejoe biden, we've hadiars. but you know, during his reign, thejoe biden, we've had the >> joe biden, we've had the dreadful withdrawal from afghanistan that probably prompted look that afghanistan that probably pronthink, look that afghanistan that probably pronthink, let's look that afghanistan that probably pronthink, let's let'snok that afghanistan that probably pronthink, let's let's carry that afghanistan that probably pronthink, let's let's carry onit and think, let's let's carry on with let's on. so with ukraine, let's rock on. so we've had ukraine and now, of course, you've got this. when donald power, he donald trump was in power, he brokered worked really well brokered and worked really well with brokered and worked really well witibut come back on it >> but man, come back on it briefly because, know, briefly because, you know, joking, about joking, joking aside about trump, i don't believe for a moment i'm not sure if it's moment and i'm not sure if it's your intention that biden your intention that that biden is blame for events in is to blame for the events in ukraine. yes. withdrawal ukraine. yes. the withdrawal from ukraine. yes. the withdrawal frorno, didn't that. i said >> no, i didn't say that. i said that. i said that what happened was that he would have looked on putin, would have looked this putin, would have looked on this and weak. and thought america is weak. i think that's why i don't

think i think that's why i don't think i think that's why i don't think can i don't think you think you can i don't think you can make the read across to invade in ukraine. can make the read across to inv.absolutely. ne. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> can. >> i absolutely can. >> i absolutely can. >> and have the withdrawal >> and i have the withdrawal from afghanistan was disastrous, was disastrous, embarrassing and lives was also lives were lost. and it was also embarrassing britain. lives were lost. and it was also em absolutely. britain. lives were lost. and it was also em absolutely. b|we n. lives were lost. and it was also em absolutely. b|we weren't >> absolutely. but we weren't told that. >> did not pave the way for the invasion of ukraine. i know. >> saying is would >> what i'm saying is what would have happened there is putin would have looked on at how disastrous that was. and i suspect america suspect he thought that america is weak. and this is he's going to right time to strike. >> i do agree with nana that i think had we had a stronger leader like trump in the leader man like trump in the white house, i don't think some of wars would have kicked of these wars would have kicked off. i think trump was actually very in keeping very successful in keeping a lid on going back to on that. but just going back to the what's going to happen the fact what's going to happen a today, if we do have the a year today, if we do have the same think i'll say the same rerun, i think i'll say the same rerun, i think i'll say the same thing. said when trump same thing. i said when trump was elected last time and that was elected last time and that was that. biden was elected, was that. and biden was elected, how in america how many people in america for nearly million and nearly 500 million people. and this is best they do. this is the best they can do. these these old men. i these two these two old men. i think trump's great. >> i think i think he'll he'll

he'll i hope he does. he'll win it. i hope he does. but this is gb news live on tv onune but this is gb news live on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana coming up, time nana akua. coming up, it's time to ulez again. i mean, to talk ulez again. i mean, aren't we all getting a bit bored of it now? well,

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listen up. london drivers attempting to dispose of vehicles that do not meet the requirements of ulez claim that the mayor's scrappage scheme grant is facing significant delays. now. the expansion , delays. now. the expansion, which covers all of london boroughs now has resulted in a surge of applications for the £2,000 grant towards the cost of a ulez compliant car , which a ulez compliant car, which leaving some motorists stranded , leaving some motorists stranded, still waiting for their money. transport for london estimates that ulez can generate up to £200 million annually for the first two years, but will slow down as more people make the switch . so i'm asking do you switch. so i'm asking do you support the scrappage scheme and could this lead to more protests over ulez ? let's see what my over ulez? let's see what my panel head to head is. make of that. political commentator suzanne former editor suzanne evans and former editor of labourlist, peter of the labourlist, peter edwards. course, know edwards. and of course, we know that angela rayner has suggested that angela rayner has suggested that this will be that schemes like this will be spreading all over the country . spreading all over the country. so, suzanne, what do you think ? so, suzanne, what do you think? >> well, it's a disaster, isn't it? so first of all, i mean, i objected to the ulez expansion to start with. secondly i

objected to the scrappage scheme because who's actually footing the bill? it's not the it's the bill? it's not the gla. it's not sadiq it's us. not sadiq khan. it's us. absolutely it's taxpayers. so i think that's those both things are wrong. think are fundamentally wrong. i think it's on the it's a shameful tax on the poorest and some of the hardest working people in london. and so what the problem it seems what the problem is, it seems to me, that a lag me, is that there's a lag between actually telling the sadiq khan that you're going to scrap your car and then getting your 2000 oh pound grant because your 2000 oh pound grant because you need to have a certificate of destruction prove that you of destruction to prove that you have scrapped it from the scrap merchants before you can get your grant cheque. now, khan says it's going to take ten days. you could just about manage car, i suppose, manage without a car, i suppose, for days. if vital to for ten days. if it was vital to your business your life or your business or your life or whatever. now londoners are whatever. but now londoners are saying taking over saying it's taking well over a month. so how do you cope without a car in that month? the whole mess and as i whole scheme is a mess and as i say, it all comes down to the fact that we've got this ulez expansion. now, sadiq khan says it's and that 95% of it's working and that 95% of people are vehicles are now people are now vehicles are now compliant, 10% more than before

he started the consultation in may 22nd, but it's a nonsense. that's rubbish. 10% of people have probably upgraded their cars in that time, and more so all of them are more so because they've probably been waiting to upgrade of the complete upgrade because of the complete lack of supply chains, which meant new cars meant there were no new cars being built throughout the covid period. >> edwards month is a >> peter edwards a month is a bit too and sure that bit too long and i'm sure that delay will come down over time. >> are slightly more positively. i was reassured of the funds set aside by the london mayor sadiq khan, scheme . khan, for the scrappage scheme. the take up rate is above 75, so that implies that there is a level of faith and appreciation . level of faith and appreciation. >> that's what it means. >> that's what it means. >> well, if people if there's a government scheme and people are buying it, then surely buying into it, then surely that's should balance that's worth should we balance it off the cameras that have been destroyed by. >> and obviously that's illegal and wrong. shouldn't be and it's wrong. you shouldn't be doing let's be honest, doing that. but let's be honest, there are over a thousand and ulez cameras that have been destroyed. >> and now will you answered my own question. really? the merits of the scheme should not be judged on the misbehaviour of a

small mob. well i think small criminal mob. well i think that a lot of people probably support the fact that they don't like the ulez scheme. >> i don't think i think that mob is representative of the majority . majority of people. >> i don't. i'll tell you why. first of all, because when i'm in disagreement with the government, i don't go and vandalise a government department. secondly, this scheme khan's scheme was in sadiq khan's manifesto on he was manifesto on which he was re—elected . re—elected. >> then even if you put >> so but then even if you put something in your manifesto, then you discover that people don't want because you then don't want it because you then have the people have to then ask the people around where planning to around where you're planning to do this. >> what's evidence? people >> what's the evidence? people don't if he was don't want it. if he was re—elected, finish. don't want it. if he was re—thanki, finish. don't want it. if he was re—thank1,finiso you then have >> thank you. so you then have to ask the around you to ask the people around you whether they actually want the scheme the of scheme and the majority of people want the scheme. people didn't want the scheme. and let's not forget that labour lost seat in uxbridge on the lost the seat in uxbridge on the strength of that ulez vote. >> i would question that >> well, i would question that the question it, the majority can question it, but majority was about 500in but the majority was about 500in a seat of about 100,000 voters. and we know that rishi sunak did

a seat of the pants u—turn after that by—election where the tories won. but to say the tory victory was primarily down to ulez, i would question well, you can question but i'd say it can question it, but i'd say it was. >> and actually it was boris johnson's should johnson's seat, so it should have surefire thing for have been a surefire thing for the party. they the labour party. and they managed that. managed to lose that. >> i think you're >> well, i think you're absolutely right. you know, the consultation not consultation and people were not in the ulez expansion. in favour of the ulez expansion. people they people didn't want it. they fudged figures. i think the fudged the figures. i think the proof the pudding will be in proof of the pudding will be in the the eating really. so the the in the eating really. so the next election. susan hall the conservative has conservative candidate has pledged the scheme . so pledged to scrap the scheme. so let's that happens, see, let's see if that happens, see, see who's who is voted for khan or her. but what about the £2,000? >> like a lot of people, as peter pointed out, 75% of the people are taking up the offer. but of course they would. >> why wouldn't you? somebody offers you £2,000 and you offers you a free £2,000 and you need a new car anyway, my lovely old steyn 212,000 now old mark steyn 212,000 miles now still going strong and it's ulez compliant, might add. but car compliant, i might add. but car as mine is still going as as old as mine is still going as strong. it might just strong. you know, it mightjust persuade to. well, won't

persuade me to. well, it won't because of us don't have a because most of us don't have a mercedes, one 2000 vintage? >> nope. most of us don't have a vintage mercedes. >> now. i love it to bits. >> now. i love it to bits. >> do you drive in london? do you drive? >> yeah. yeah. what kind of car is it? >> is it like a ulez compliant thing? >> yeah, it's a very middle aged, middle of the road. ford focus. >> i could have guessed. actually you you might actually you know, you might laugh about my mercedes, peter, but won't as but electric cars won't last as long mileage long and won't do the mileage that has done. that mine has done. >> i think there's a whole >> and i think there's a whole argument to be had about these are to green, but are supposed to be green, but which greener. a brand new which is greener. a brand new electric got be electric car that's got to be scrapped after ten years because the my lovely the battery fails. all my lovely old what's your alternative then? >> what's your alternative then? when fossil fuels run out? well i think the problem i think what the problem for me is that don't want to be is not that i don't want to be green and not that i don't think you should look alternative you should look at alternative technologies. you should look at alternative technologiefact is they're not >> but the fact is they're not in place yet. they don't work yet. trying to force yet. so trying to force legislation before you've actually infrastructure actually got the infrastructure in actually in place to actually make a change. that's the issue. i think if you can give me an electric car when the battery doesn't cost 20 grand to replace in years time, i have to

in ten years time, so i have to scrap car anyway. fine. i'll scrap the car anyway. fine. i'll look at it. >> em- look at it. >> that you can >> but until one that you can put out when it's on fire, i think, or one that probably won't have a complete failure. so you they all go on fire so you can't they all go on fire goes wrong. something goes wrong. but if something goes wrong. but if something goes one of those goes wrong with one of those cars you're inside it, cars and you're inside it, i suspect the electrics, you won't probably out of probably be able to get out of it if the electrics fail. and also, i've been in lots of people's electric cars where they're worried, don't they're so worried, no, don't put no, don't put the heating on. no, don't use radio. oh, yeah. no no, use the radio. oh, yeah. no no, no, the no, don't do that. because the battery last as as then. >> isn't down to the >> isn't that down to the manufacturer rather than the mayor london? n0, manufacturer rather than the mayor london? no, but no, mayor of london? no, but no, we're about that. we're not talking about that. >> if i something that >> now, if i buy something that doesn't don't blame the >> now, if i buy something that doesn' of don't blame the >> now, if i buy something that doesn' of london. n't blame the >> now, if i buy something that doesn' of london. i'mjlame the >> now, if i buy something that doesn' of london. i'm not1e the >> now, if i buy something that doesn' of london. i'm not blaming mayor of london. i'm not blaming the london. we're the mayor of london. we're talking electric now talking about electric cars now and are. and and how viable they are. and suzanne she would buy and how viable they are. and suz('ifne she would buy and how viable they are. and suz('if it she would buy and how viable they are. and suz('if it could she would buy and how viable they are. and suz('if it could do she would buy and how viable they are. and suz('if it could do alle would buy and how viable they are. and suz('if it could do all the uld buy one if it could do all the things wanted it to do. things that she wanted it to do. and agreement and i'm expressing my agreement with the with her on that. but it is the government's fault that the legislature owns fault because they're know. legislature owns fault because they're well know. legislature owns fault because they're well rishi know. legislature owns fault because they're well rishi justn. >> no. well rishi sunak just brought to down extended it brought it to down extended it to petrol diesel to 2035, no new petrol diesel cars 2035 brought cars from 2035 brought it up from they're from 20 and 30. but they're pushing this and the pushing this agenda and the technology not

there. >> the technology is not there. and does cover and two grand does not cover a new but listen, i've to new car, but listen, i've got to move carry move on. i'd like to carry on with one, i've got to with this one, but i've got to move this is gb news tv, move on. this is gb news on tv, onune move on. this is gb news on tv, online digital radio. online and on digital radio. coming next hour, my coming up in the next hour, my monologue. discussing gary monologue. i'm discussing gary lineker's backs lineker's comments as he backs the march during the pro—palestinian march during armistice and lots armistice day. that and lots more to come. but first, more still to come. but first, let's get your latest news with ray addison . ray addison. >> thanks, nana. it's 330. our top stories. >> humza. yousafs in—laws have arrived back in scotland after being trapped in gaza for more than three weeks. >> mr yousaf confirmed the news on and posted a photo of the reunion, saying he's pleased his in—laws are safe and back home. >> the foreign office is pressing for the rafah crossing to reopen to allow uk nationals to reopen to allow uk nationals to escape gaza . to escape gaza. >> 112 people were expected to leave yesterday when the crossing was temporarily closed. >> it's unknown how many, if any , were able to make the journey . , were able to make the journey. >> boris johnson has visited a

kibbutz as he continues his tour of israel in a show of solidarity. the former pm who arrived in the country this morning made the trip alongside former australian prime minister scott morrison . earlier, they scott morrison. earlier, they met idf soldiers in jerusalem and later mr johnson met idf soldiers in jerusalem and later mrjohnson is met idf soldiers in jerusalem and later mr johnson is expected to meet israeli president isaac herzog . hezbollah claimed to herzog. hezbollah claimed to have struck a vehicle near a israeli military outpost on the border with lebanon. there are reports of casualties, but no confirmation from israeli authorities so far. the incident is said to have taken place near the border outpost in yiftah . the border outpost in yiftah. there are several videos on social media showing sustained gunfire in that area near the hamburg airport. hostage situation has ended after an armed 35 year old man used a vehicle to break through security and onto a runway where he held his four year old daughter hostage for 18 hours. german police say it's likely a

custody dispute and the suspect was arrested without resistance and the child unharmed . and you and the child unharmed. and you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news.com stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com back now to nana . gbnews.com back now to nana. >> thank you, ray. coming up, home secretary suella braverman has faced a backlash after saying that rough sleeping is a lifestyle choice. is this ridiculous or does she have a point? that is .

from three on . gb news. from three on. gb news. >> welcome back. this is a gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua coming up to 37 minutes after 3:00. there's loads more still to come, but i'm going to read some of your messages. you sent them in. discussing joining of your messages. you sent them in. by discussing joining of your messages. you sent them in. by way, :ussing joining of your messages. you sent them in. by way, :ussinggoing1g of your messages. you sent them in. by way,:ussinggoing head me by the way, we're going head to peter evans and also to head is peter evans and also pete. oh, peter, you've not got married . suzanne evans and peter married. suzanne evans and peter edwards. oh, no , sorry, peter, edwards. oh, no, sorry, peter, but anyway, look, so lots of you have been getting in touch. amy. i've got this one from alan. alan said, why would you accept? because we was talking about scrapping the car and sadiq khan scrappage scheme, says, scrappage scheme, and she says, why would you accept £2,000 from khan scheme your khan scrappage scheme if your car is worth much more at trade price , your might well price, your car might as well mysteriously disappear you mysteriously disappear and you could the from the could claim the money from the insurance. that insurance. yes, exactly. that could why the

could be the reason why the scheme is being taken by 75. let's see what else have we got now? talking about the marches and anti—semitism. roger says the met police yesterday had 1200 officers to police, 100,000 to 150,000. pro—palestine pro—palestinians in the march in london. it's a shambles . no way london. it's a shambles. no way the met police can keep control of the marches. how on earth can the police safely police to events in london next saturday? he's got a point there. i don't know how they're going do it. know how they're going to do it. on of ulez, somebody on the case of ulez, somebody beat says. the beat me to it. helen says. the other probably other 25% non uptake probably because the payout is up to £2,000. and when you find out it's less than 800, then folk struggle. yeah. so that is the thoughts. lots of you getting in touch. keep them again . keep touch. keep them again. keep them coming in. vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can also tweet us at gb news. but this story caught my eye today . this story caught my eye today. home secretary suella braverman has faced backlash after saying that rough sleeping is a lifestyle choice. well she wants to restrict the use of tents by

homeless people that blocked doonnays and shops and suggests that many tent users are from abroad . and the home secretary abroad. and the home secretary has been labelled cruel and ignorant . has been labelled cruel and ignorant. she begins has been labelled cruel and ignorant . she begins her ignorant. she begins her crackdown on, i quote, a lifestyle choice . so do you lifestyle choice. so do you support suella braverman restricting tents for rough sleepers ? peter edwards i'll sleepers? peter edwards i'll start with, you know , and so start with, you know, and so i've volunteered with homeless charities in leeds, york and london over the last 20 years and always try not to personalise things. >> but so i can't say if it's cruel. i don't know what her motivations but it's motivations are, but it's desperately ignorant that the impact be very cruel. and impact would be very cruel. and i wonder how many rough sleepers suella braverman has actually spoken to? >> i mean, that's a >> well, i mean, that's a question for i can't answer that. suzanne i'm little that. suzanne evans i'm a little bit about this. bit on the fence about this. >> do feel that any one >> i really do feel that any one of us could become homeless. of course, know, relationship course, you know, relationship breakdown, job loss, mental or physical health issues, addiction , get your house addiction, get your house repossessed, whatever it might be. homelessness is a massive be. so homelessness is a massive problem we've to problem. we've got to be sympathetic. think for me, sympathetic. and i think for me, suella braverman did say

genuinely individuals genuinely homeless individuals would continue to get support. and i hope she's right on that because they absolutely must. however, say i have however, i have to say i have experienced a very good friend of mine, a top private of mine, was a top private school in this country and one of his friends deliberately dropped out, went on the streets, and my friend ended up being only person his being the only person at his funeral. he had funeral. 50 years later. he had made decision to turn away made that decision to turn away from wealth and from his life of wealth and relative comfort to do what he did. why? i don't know. i don't obviously stopping obviously his answer stopping thatis obviously his answer stopping that is a rarity. >> that's an enormous rarity . >> that's an enormous rarity. >> that's an enormous rarity. >> well, it happens. the fact is she's saying some do she's saying that some people do it as a lifestyle choice, it as a as a lifestyle choice, and clearly did. also and he clearly did. i've also beenin and he clearly did. i've also been in a situation where i've been in a situation where i've been interviewing been a reporter interviewing homeless and beggars on homeless people and beggars on the streets. and never the streets. and i'll never forget first one i ever forget the first one i ever interviewed suggested forget the first one i ever inter he wed suggested forget the first one i ever interhe was suggested forget the first one i ever interhe was actually uggested forget the first one i ever interhe was actually probably that he was actually probably making £200 a day on the back of a news report. and he laughed and joked and of course and joked and said, of course i'm pulled the i'm not. and then pulled out the biggest have ever biggest wad of cash i have ever seen in my life. was clearly seen in my life. he was clearly actually having quite a lot of money. so that's why i said i

think i'm on the fence about this. the problem is trying to ascertain who is genuinely homeless the homeless and who isn't. the other thing i think where she's right is she's talking about people overseas people coming here from overseas . and i don't think there's any doubt of doubt about that, that a lot of the who homeless, you the people who are homeless, you know, not their first know, they're not their first nationality is not from the united kingdom, immigrate has gone up every year since 1994. and the number of people in temporary accommodation , i can't temporary accommodation, i can't it's very hard to get figures for actual numbers of rough sleepers, but the number of people in temporary accommodation gone up five accommodation has gone up five fold since 1990. >> yeah, but as immigration has risen exponentially . risen exponentially. >> so it's definitely something. peter. yeah i mean, i'm very concerned by what's his and said. >> so i think first of all, suzanne and suella braverman who seem saying something seem to be saying something similar kind of similar are relying on a kind of tiny, tiny cohort of cases. people i met once twice, people i met once or twice, quote unquote. secondly you can't someone has can't say because someone has cash from begging they're cash from begging that they're affluent . someone sleeping affluent. if someone is sleeping on street , potential victim

on the street, potential victim of crime at risk from cold, they are not living a good or comfortable life. and then thirdly, i'm worried and i don't think suzanne stressed this point particularly, but suella braverman did seem to lot braverman did seem to put a lot of emphasis on the nationality of emphasis on the nationality of people the street. and i of people on the street. and i really worry about this approach of criminality of mixing poverty, criminality and foreign nationals all into one melting pot, because i think there's a bit of a hint about basically foreign people being up to no good coming here to exploit the britain, which i think is well, she she's got a point hasn't she? >> hasn't she got a point though. there are a lot of people coming here that are exploiting country . we exploiting this country. we already with the already know that with the situation, migration. already know that with the situatjust migration. already know that with the situatjust the nigration. already know that with the situatjust the issueion. but i just think the issue i have that is have with her saying that is that where are they going to go? and the same question that and it's the same question that i regard to the i ask with regard to the policies for those coming here via dinghy. it's like, where are they go? she's to they going to go? she's going to she's shouldn't she's saying they shouldn't be in some of them in the tents. and some of them i would say, in my view, the majority of them, i wouldn't say that foreign people, the majority homeless

majority of the homeless people i be mostly british i see seem to be mostly british people just people in terms of just from their and way their accent and the way they carry they sound carry themselves. they sound british of them. so british to me a lot of them. so the question is , where are they the question is, where are they going they out of going to go if they come out of the which this is a broad the tents, which this is a broad brush, people who the tents, which this is a broad brusibe people who the tents, which this is a broad brusibe foreign people who the tents, which this is a broad brusibe foreign people,> who the tents, which this is a broad brusibe foreign people, butio the tents, which this is a broad brusibe foreign people, but also may be foreign people, but also people country people who are from this country where are they all going to go? they then they come out of the tents. then what said what would what she hasn't said what would happen when they come out of the tent. >> why i think tents a >> that's why i think tents is a bit of a herring, really. bit of a red herring, really. i mean, the issue with mean, what's the issue with tents? homelessness mean, what's the issue with tent the homelessness mean, what's the issue with tentthe amount homelessness mean, what's the issue with tentthe amount of homelessness mean, what's the issue with tentthe amount of people lssness and the amount of people we've got streets. frankly, got on the streets. frankly, if somebody's on somebody's sleeping on the streets, rather they had streets, i'd rather they had a tent them sleeping tent over them than sleeping in a secretary a cardboard home. secretary demonising i don't demonising this is a i don't i don't think she'd see it as demonising them and if demonising them and arguably if i as i say, i think the tents personally is a red herring. but if we're talking about getting rid if we're talking about getting nd and if we're talking about getting rid and some new rid of the tents and some new laws, passed, laws, say is passed, then the police blocking doonnays and things like that , the police things like that, the police have go and deal with people have to go and deal with people in i suppose that in tents. then i suppose that could have the benefit of finding people who are genuinely rough sleeping , genuinely rough sleeping, genuinely homeless and getting them into

the system so they can get off the system so they can get off the streets and back in support. whereas the moment whereas at the moment what happens? by, happens? everybody walks by, nobody takes any notice. so you might think that cruella's as cruella said, is suella you caught a cruella a bit of a freudian slip. she called her that suella move is cruel, but arguably it might have an upside i >> what do you think there's any upside to getting people out of the tents in the doonnays of shops and things like that? we all want to reduce the number of people sleeping rough. >> there's upside at >> i think there's no upside at all because what suella braverman because all because what suella brave not n because all because what suella brave not explicit. because all because what suella brave not explicit. but because all because what suella brave not explicit. but again,;e she's not explicit. but again, there's a there's a slight hint of xenophobe about it. but take away from the language, go back to covid. >> hang on. what you said, the xenophobia. i don't necessarily think that mean, think that is. i mean, if somebody shouldn't in somebody it shouldn't be in this country bypassing country and they're bypassing the and in a tent, the systems and in a tent, that's not xenophobia. she's looking at that and saying that in particular, maybe in particular, she's maybe identify some of a lot of the people or a certain proportion of the people are illegal migrants. what migrants. maybe that's what she's . she's identifying. >> that's she's. well, i'm

>> that's why she's. well, i'm afraid one in this afraid no one in this discussion, nor suella braverman afraid no one in this disc offered nor suella braverman afraid no one in this disc offered any suella braverman afraid no one in this disc offered any evidenceiverman afraid no one in this disc offered any evidence to rman has offered any evidence to support . support that. >> hasn't >> there's no she hasn't specifically that i'm specifically said that i'm coming point as coming off your point as xenophobia . and now you're xenophobia. and now you're saying evidence. so saying there's no evidence. so which one is it? >> suella braverman is lumping together nationals , together foreign nationals, poverty and criminality . poverty and criminality. >> i think she's right, though, is there not? there is definitely a relationship with people be this people who shouldn't be in this country see, criminality country. see, criminality and homelessness . there is a link. homelessness. there is a link. i mean, i don't think that's that's quite on that. >> absolutely. and you >> absolutely. and why would you say of my own say born out of my own experience ? i've never seen any experience? i've never seen any evidence in close to two decades of working with homeless community that a percentage of people who sleep rough, who are here is higher than here illegally is higher than versus other parts of the population . nobody's. population. no, nobody's. >> totally different >> that's a totally different statistic. a statistic. we're talking about a relationship between homelessness, illegal migration and criminality. and i would say there is a relationship. i think she has got a point. >> didn't the former home secretary and editor secretary founder and editor of the talk about john the big issue talk about john bird? bird talked about bird? john bird talked about this. the whole

this. he said that the whole distribution network for the magazine has been taken over by romanian gangs. i'm sorry. i think that is right. i think there is a link between homelessness and poverty and immigration and crime. i don't think you can dispute that. >> so you've got to offer some evidence, though. >> well, just offered >> well, no, she just offered some evidence with john bird, >> well, no, she just offered somnisevidence with john bird, >> well, no, she just offered somnisevideheadvith john bird, >> well, no, she just offered somnisevideheadvith jotbig ird, >> well, no, she just offered somnisevideheadvith jotbig issue >> well, no, she just offered s i nnisevideheadvith jotbig issue >> well, no, she just offered si mean, iehead vith jotbig issue >> well, no, she just offered si mean, iehtdoesn'tlotbig issue >> well, no, she just offered si mean, iehtdoesn't know issue >> well, no, she just offered si mean, iehtdoesn't know what�* . i mean, he doesn't know what he talking he knows what he's talking about. know that he knows what he's talking ab01is, know that he knows what he's talking ab01is, right? know that guy is, right? >> i've i've written for >> i do. i've i've written for the issue but he's not the big issue, but he's he's not the big issue, but he's he's not the said there was the ceo. but you said there was no she's given you no evidence she's given you some, but you're not happy with my understanding. >> that? >> you're not happy with that? he could he stepped away because he could see founded see that what he'd founded with with intentions was with the best of intentions was actually being usurped by foreign gangs. >> i've never seen that in years of reading. the big issue, given >> i've never seen that in years of |theing. the big issue, given >> i've never seen that in years of |the reasone big issue, given >> i've never seen that in years of |the reason him issue, given >> i've never seen that in years of |the reason him gettingjiven >> i've never seen that in years of |the reason him getting to zn for the reason him getting to retirement age retiring retirement age and then retiring as big issue . as leader of the big issue. >> that's that's >> well, he's well that's that's i we can research that and i mean we can research that and find susanna saying i mean we can research that and find but susanna saying i mean we can research that and find but listen,sanna saying i mean we can research that and find but listen, that's saying i mean we can research that and find but listen, that's the aying that but listen, that's the point that suella is making. and there seems to be that there is a link with migration. but the point making, is point you are making, which is fair will lot point you are making, which is fai people will lot point you are making, which is fai people aren't lot point you are making, which is faipeople aren't migrants of people who aren't migrants who caught in this. she who are caught in this. but she

hasn't specifically that hasn't specifically said that you're one identifying you're the one who's identifying a with xenophobia. you a link with xenophobia. it's you who not not. who said that not not. >> yeah, because believe >> yeah, because i believe there's a hint xenophobia >> yeah, because i believe there'saboutit xenophobia >> yeah, because i believe there'saboutit kinthobia about about this kind of briefing sunday papers. briefing into the sunday papers. but. kind zoom but. but let's kind of zoom out from language, which is the from the language, which is the first covid. there first lockdown in covid. there was called everyone in was a policy called everyone in where the conservative government moved very quickly to try and get as rough try and get as many rough sleepers off street as possible. and fair, that and to be fair, that was relatively for a time relatively successful for a time limited period . so there was limited period. so there was a national crisis and we came together to try and help people who are sleeping rough now we're in different times and we're saying things about to saying mean things about them to curry votes . that to me curry votes. that to me just typifies suella braverman whether would necessarily whether that would necessarily curry votes. >> a lot of people wouldn't >> so a lot of people wouldn't agree with you. >> so a lot of people wouldn't agn peter.1 you. >> so a lot of people wouldn't agnpeter. if'ou. >> so a lot of people wouldn't agn peter. if we >> so a lot of people wouldn't agnpeter. if we something >> peter. if we can do something in times, can do in covid times, we can do something. don't know something. now i don't know whether curry votes. whether that would curry votes. >> lot of people who probably >> a lot of people who probably support the conservative party might think that what she said is on backdrop of is cruel. but on the backdrop of everything might have is cruel. but on the backdrop of eipoint. ng might have is cruel. but on the backdrop of eipoint. but might have is cruel. but on the backdrop of eipoint. but now might have is cruel. but on the backdrop of eipoint. but now ourmight have is cruel. but on the backdrop of eipoint. but now our christmas: a point. but now our christmas adverts out hand. adverts getting out of hand. well, marks and spencer's apologised their apologised and pulled down their christmas after backlash christmas ad after backlash regarding the ongoing conflict

between and hamas. the between israel and hamas. the advert showing burning christmas paper hats received criticism for resembling the palestinian flag , causing outrage on social flag, causing outrage on social media amid the escalating israeli hamas war in the middle east. now the advert was filmed back in august and m&s have since deleted their social posts and retracted the advert. but was this the right decision to pull the advert or is it just overreacting, especially given the fact that people know the advert was done in august? i'm going to start with you, suzanne evans. >> so i actually quite like i know there's been a huge backlash about against the m&s advert, not just because of the palestinian paper issue , palestinian paper hat issue, which i think is nonsense, really. i think you were right. it was filmed in august, red, white traditional. white and green is traditional. christmas it? christmas colours, isn't it? that's so think that's what it is. so i think that but there's that was ludicrous. but there's also course , been also been, of course, been a backlash the aid, backlash against the mass aid, saying it's tearing up everything christmas , everything about christmas, saying be selfish at saying you should be selfish at christmas. thought was christmas. i thought it was great. enjoyed great. i really enjoyed it actually. i thought was quite actually. i thought it was quite funny. hats . i

actually. i thought it was quite funny. hats. i hate funny. i hate paper hats. i hate writing cards. writing christmas cards. decorating fun , but decorating the tree is fun, but i'm not good at it. so i'm not very good at it. so yeah, thought quite yeah, i thought it was quite good actually. liked it. good actually. i quite liked it. i won't be boycotting i certainly won't be boycotting m&s i it's a m&s as a result. i think it's a great company. m&s as a result. i think it's a great c(the any. m&s as a result. i think it's a great c(the food's too good. i'm >> no, the food's too good. i'm not boycotting. what about you? >> us who can >> well, all of us who can afford go to least afford it do go to m&s at least at food at christmas, because the food is know, i i'm is very good. you know, i i'm a churchgoer, as many of your viewers. bits of the viewers. so from the bits of the advert i'm very sad that advert unseen, i'm very sad that however jokily intentioned, it ended with people chucking ended up with people chucking christmas fire. but christmas things in a fire. but on point marks and on the palestine point marks and spencer not touch spencer would not touch contemporary politics with a bargepole , let alone the middle bargepole, let alone the middle east crisis. the idea that marks and have sent out an and spencer have sent out an implicit , and spencer have sent out an implicit, implicit criticism of gaza for a christmas ad is beyond nonsense . they wouldn't beyond nonsense. they wouldn't touch politics with a bargepole . touch politics with a bargepole. yeah, well. >> but doesn't that just say how ridiculous people have become that even though know that that even though they know that this filmed in august and it this was filmed in august and it really couldn't have had anything to do with the conflict, are prepared to conflict, people are prepared to create a outrage at create a level of outrage at this and then create some this ad and then create some sort of relationship or link with the conflict.

>> i think mad. i mean, with the conflict. >> i ti'm: mad. i mean, with the conflict. >> i ti'm a mad. i mean, with the conflict. >> i ti'm a churchgoer,iean, with the conflict. >> i ti'm a churchgoer, too, you yeah, i'm a churchgoer, too, you know, they took a know, it wasn't like they took a baseball an advent baseball bat to an advent scene. i i would that i mean, i would find that totally ideas totally offensive. yes. no ideas don't take anybody ideas from that. yeah , but but i mean, that. but yeah, but but i mean, it paper hats and some it was just paper hats and some christmas stuff , christmas cards, secular stuff, actually. yeah, i think it actually. so, yeah, i think it was all. what do you think about? nothing >> but why do you think that people are so kind of people are so ready to kind of get this, the get outraged about this, the outrage it ? outrage culture, isn't it? >> to get your social >> you've got to get your social media going. got media feed going. you've got to keep page to keep your facebook page up to date. look. date. and, you know, look. >> marks and spencer's >> but then marks and spencer's actually actually actually reacted. they actually reacted i think , to be honest. >> i think in the current climate, they didn't really have a choice . i climate, they didn't really have a choice. i think people climate, they didn't really have a choice . i think people were a choice. i think people were wrong to see it as a palestinian issue. but i quite understand and i'm glad they've actually pulled that scene. they haven't actually pulled the ad because it landed inbox this it landed in my inbox this morning, that morning, actually. but that scene where the hats being scene where the hats are being burnt gone now. so i think burnt has gone now. so i think that was a compromise as i that was a good compromise as i think it's stupid. i think it's daft, there's so much daft, but there's so much cerebral issues around this cerebral issues around all this and much hatred going around

and so much hatred going around and so much hatred going around and so much anguish. i think they right thing. they did the right thing. >> , as said >> but ironically, as you said earlier, about being earlier, the ad was about being completely hate completely selfish and the hate mob didn't they weren't worried about . no, that's that's true. >> it seems a very strange position for to end up in. i position for m&s to end up in. i mean, they could have out mean, they could have put out a fairly neutral statement saying we life in we mourn the loss of life in israel in gaza have israel and in gaza and we have little further to say beyond the wish peace christmas , wish for peace this christmas, and advert . and then kept the advert. >> yeah, i think i think getting rid of that one scene was one way of shutting it down but it didn't. >> of course because. exactly yeah. criticising everything else. . like i say, i else. but hey. like i say, i think i look back at the days when i was growing up as a child and the ads were so much more. >> oh they were weren't they. so much more interesting. >> bland and boring >> they're so bland and boring now trying now because everybody's trying too to politically too hard to be politically correct too hard not to correct and too hard not to offend and actually, offend anybody. and actually, that a good that doesn't make for a good advertising and i've advertising campaign. and i've just some emails because just got some emails in because you talking about you were talking about homelessness talking you were talking about homelwhatlss talking you were talking about homelwhat suella talking you were talking about homelwhat suella bravermanlking you were talking about homelwhat suella braverman was| saying. >> simon has messaged and he said, nana, i've talked said, hi, nana, i've talked to homeless streets . homeless people on york streets. they get more money living on

the streets with a dog than they would alone. so simon says would being alone. so simon says that that's what he said in york about the tents. fred says, i'm so angry. the prison service send people back out into the community with nowhere to go. they are told to they are to told the council. they'll be given a tent. this happened to me. so they're told by the council. i think he means they're somebody just said that . they're somebody just said that. they said they think you just make it up as you go along. >> oh, well, i was a volunteer with homeless community >> oh, well, i was a volunteer with likelomeless community >> oh, well, i was a volunteer with likelomeicorrespondent/ >> oh, well, i was a volunteer with likelomeicorrespondent. york, like your correspondent. and york are and the winters in york are incredibly . so if you're incredibly harsh. so if you're sleeping on lendal bridge with the it's not the wind whistling in, it's not much fun. it's all right. >> nobody would want >> i mean, nobody would want anybody be in that position . anybody to be in that position. >> somebody has sandra >> and then somebody has sandra sent something the sent me something about the demonstrations. she said, nana, sent me something about the deyoulstrations. she said, nana, sent me something about the deyou feel:ions. she said, nana, sent me something about the deyou feel s0|s. she said, nana, sent me something about the deyou feel so passionate, nana, sent me something about the deyou feel so passionate and na, if you feel so passionate and angry, why don't they join their fellow citizens? and fight with them? the war has nothing to do with citizens who wish with indigent citizens who wish to live in peace . surely the to live in peace. surely the very people demonstrated that

arrived on our shores for peace which is being destroyed . and i which is being destroyed. and i hear your point, sandra , but you hear your point, sandra, but you know, i'm not i wouldn't go on any of those marches at all. actually, i do what i can from where i am and see if i can help. that way. somebody help. that way. i'm not somebody who marches in the who goes on marches in the streets. just not my thing . streets. it's just not my thing. but, know, fair play to but, you know, fair play to those who do as long as they are peaceful and they it in peaceful and they do it in a peaceful and they do it in a peaceful way. so those peaceful way. yeah so keep those thoughts to thoughts coming. loads. still to come if there's come. and let's see if there's anything else . what have we got anything else. what have we got here? do love swearing. anything else. what have we got herenot do love swearing. anything else. what have we got herenot going e swearing. anything else. what have we got herenot going to swearing. anything else. what have we got herenot going to read swearing. anything else. what have we got herenot going to read that ring. anything else. what have we got herenot going to read that .ng. i'm not going to read that. somebody if illegal somebody says if illegal migrants can be housed in hotels, then why not the homeless ? what's the problem? i homeless? what's the problem? i think make point. i think they make a good point. i mean, going do that, think they make a good point. i me might going do that, think they make a good point. i me might as going do that, think they make a good point. i me might as welling do that, think they make a good point. i me might as welling that) that, think they make a good point. i me might as welling that witht, we might as well do that with all the others as well. well listen, keep all your thoughts coming. we're coming. this is gb news. we're live online, and on live on tv online, and on digital radio. still to come in, my great british debate in the next hour, i'll be asking, should we ban the pro—palestinian demonstrations? also i've got my monologue. we'll be discussing gary lineker. yeah, you know, he's

but, you know, but basically , on but, you know, but basically, on a serious note, they're discussing , you know, whether discussing, you know, whether these protests marches are actually peaceful or whether you would in fact, they're going on one yourself. most jewish people probably wouldn't. but don't forget , you can download the probably wouldn't. but don't forget, you can download the gb news app, but first, let's get an update with your weather. i'll see in a couple of i'll see you in a couple of moments time. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided the weather forecast provided by the met east is met office. generally east is best for any bonfire night celebrations you're attending this areas will this evening. eastern areas will hold on to largely dry conditions clear intervals conditions and clear intervals throughout. the west we throughout. but in the west we do have some showers to watch out particularly out for, particularly focus across northwest across parts of northwest england. they'll be around the bristol well for bristol channel way as well for the second half of the night, beginning to fringe parts the second half of the night, besussex to fringe parts the second half of the night, besussex and ringe parts the second half of the night, besussex and ringe as parts the second half of the night, be sussex and ringe as well. ts the second half of the night, besussex and ringe as well. but of sussex and kent as well. but generally a lot dry , generally still a lot of dry, clear conditions around and underneath. a mist and underneath. that's a mist and fog and it will also fog will form and it will also turn quite chilly, particularly for we for eastern scotland, where we certainly frost certainly can expect some frost to develop as we head into monday. is overall another monday. it is overall another day sunshine and showers. monday. it is overall another day showerse and showers. monday. it is overall another day showers most showers.

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>> hello. good afternoon. and welcome to gb news on tv , online welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is about opinion . this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, and at debating, discussing and at times will disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one will cancelled. so one will be cancelled. so joining me today, author and broadcaster christine hamilton, and also former labour party adviser matthew le le ha . but adviser matthew le le ha. but before we get started, that's what i always call him, christine, before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines with ray addison . news headlines with ray addison. >> she's not a good afternoon. it's exactly 4:00. our top stories this hour. humza yousafs in—laws have arrived back in scotland after being trapped in

gaza for more than three weeks. mr yousaf confirmed the news on x and posted a photo of the reunion, saying he's pleased that they're back home safely. the foreign office is pressing for the rafah crossing to reopen to allow uk nationals to escape gaza. 112 people were expected to leave yesterday when the crossing was temporarily closed. it's unknown how many, if any , it's unknown how many, if any, were able to make the journey . were able to make the journey. bofis were able to make the journey. boris johnson has visited a kibbutz as he continues his tour of israel in a show of solidarity . the former prime solidarity. the former prime minister, who arrived in the country this morning made the trip alongside former australia pm scott morrison . earlier, they pm scott morrison. earlier, they met idf soldiers in jerusalem and later mr johnson met idf soldiers in jerusalem and later mrjohnson is met idf soldiers in jerusalem and later mr johnson is expected to meet israeli president isaac herzog. it comes as idf spokesman rear admiral daniel hagan spokesman rear admiral daniel hagari held a press conference explaining how hamas have built tunnels of terror under vital civilian infrastructure here. >> unsurprisingly , the hamas

>> unsurprisingly, the hamas built a hospital on top of their terror infrastructures. those outputs of hamas had underground facilities before they started to construct the hospitals . this to construct the hospitals. this cement arches are not needed when building hospitals as they are used to build underground city of terror . city of terror. >> anthony blinken has left israel to continue humanitarian talks in turkey with foreign ministers . the us secretary of ministers. the us secretary of state met with palestinian president mahmoud abbas in an unannounced visit to ramallah in the west bank. president abbas told him an immediate ceasefire is needed. the pair also discussed getting more aid into gaza and efforts to restore stability to the west bank. prime minister rishi sunak and home secretary suella braverman have expressed concern about further pro—palestine protests dunng further pro—palestine protests during armistice day. the police met commissioner sir mark rowley

has promised to take a robust approach and to use all the powers available to ensure commemorative events are not undermined. deputy pm oliver dowden says armistice day should be about honouring the sacrifices made by previous generations . generations. >> i have really grave concerns about this and i think that certainly representing a large jewish community as i do, but it's broader than the jewish community. we should be honounng community. we should be honouring and respecting the sacrifice made by previous generations, and we certainly shouldn't have the kind of intimidation that you see in those marches . those marches. >> well, meanwhile, shadow defence secretary john healey says we live in a democracy and must balance the right to protest. it's an operational decision for the police . decision for the police. >> they are talking to the protest organisers , others who protest organisers, others who want to show their solidarity with palestinians and they're looking at a different place in london at a time. two hours after the remembrance service at the cenotaph. and i hope that

we'll be able to get to a situation where we're not banning the right of protest, but we're absolutely ensuring that the remembrance , that the remembrance, recognition and honour of those people who've served and fallen to defend us in this country is fully respected . fully respected. >> in germany, the hamburg airport hostage situation has ended. it's after an armed 35 year old man used a vehicle to break through security and onto a runway where he held his four year old daughter hostage for 18 hours. german police say it's likely a custody dispute and the suspect was arrested without resistance and the child unharmed . and prince william is unharmed. and prince william is in singapore to attend the 2023 earthshot prize ceremony. the prince of wales will host the united for wildlife global summit in conjunction with his earthshot environmental initiative . he hopes to shine a initiative. he hopes to shine a spotlight on southeast asia's role in the illegal wildlife trade. the earthshot awards on tuesday will see five category

winners presented . with £1 winners presented. with £1 million each to scale up their environmental ideas. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to nana . to nana. >> thank you, ray. it's just coming up to five minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua now. yesterday gary lineker criticised suella braverman when she said it is entirely unacceptable to desecrate armistice day with a hate march through london if it goes ahead. there is an obvious risk of serious public disorder , risk of serious public disorder, violence and damage , as well as violence and damage, as well as giving offence to millions of decent british people . gary decent british people. gary responded , marching and calling responded, marching and calling for a ceasefire and peace so that more innocent children

don't, don't get killed is not really the definition of a hate march . true but let's have a march. true but let's have a look at some of those marches, shall we? gary so here is a person walking through the pro—palestine protest with a banner stating hamas is terrorist . terrorist. >> wow. that's the hamas terrorist . mobile . terrorist. mobile. you . terrorist. mobile. you. >> so that, of course, was the sound of people with some quite abusive language that i obviously couldn't play right now on air. in fact, i wouldn't play. but basically this guy has been attacked by some supposedly peaceful protesters who, if they were for peace , would were calling for peace, would actually agreed with him . actually have agreed with him. no. what about this one? no. okay. what about this one? last night in trafalgar square,

pro—palestinian protesters throwing fireworks at the police on so if you're listening on radio, you can hear that. that doesn't sound pretty friendly at all, does it? and i doubt any jew would dare attend this march . i mean, what do you think, gary ? and yesterday, there were gary? and yesterday, there were also 29 arrests and only last week the daily mail uncovered a jihadi gp demo leader at a pro—palestine protest . and it pro—palestine protest. and it turned out that abdul wahid or his real name, dr. wahid asif shada, is the head of hizb ut ut—tahrir, an islamist organisation. he was also leading a double life gp by day jihadi on the weekends he apparently celebrate the

barbaric hamas massacre on the 7th october of 1400 jewish men, women and children, describing it as a welcome punch in the nose to israel. he was at the so called peaceful protest calling for not peace. gary butjihad. for not peace. gary but jihad. and given his comments about israel being given a nose , i israel being given a nose, i think it's fair to assume that he didn't mean peace when he said it. he can't possibly carry on with his job. and when you've got people like atiq malik, a metropolitan who metropolitan police adviser who has previously been caught on video leading the from the to river the sea chant, which basically means death to the basically means death to all the jews and a prominent jews in israel. and a prominent mosque chairman, as well as senior figure in the muslim council britain the council of britain praising the leader whilst also leader of hamas whilst also advising crown prosecution advising the crown prosecution service. you know you're in trouble . all these don't sound trouble. all these don't sound like peaceful people to me. so will a braverman is right. like peaceful people to me. so willa braverman is right. i'm all for peace . gary. i think we all for peace. gary. i think we should all agree that no one wants anyone to die . but these wants anyone to die. but these protests seem to descend into hate marches. it's for easy you

to say from the comfort of your ivory tower. but tell you what, gary , how about you come down gary, how about you come down from from there and go to one of those pro—palestine protests with your banner of peace ? oh, with your banner of peace? oh, yeah. fancy it? nah i didn't think so . so before we get stuck think so. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, should we ban the pro—palestinian demonstrations? i'm asking, should we ban the pro—palallinian demonstrations? i'm asking, should we ban the pro—palalliniethem,|onstrations? i'm asking, should we ban the pro—palalliniethem, nottrations? i'm asking, should we ban the pro—palalliniethem, not justms? in fact, all of them, not just the one coming up on armistice day. have day. now protests have been continuing on the streets of london and elsewhere people london and elsewhere as people call ceasefire in gaza. call for a ceasefire in gaza. and occupation. and an end to occupation. tensions have been rising every weekend protests weekend as the protests continue. then at 450, its worldview will cross . live to worldview will cross. live to los angeles with paul duddridge , los angeles with paul duddridge, the politics people the host of the politics people podcast, on podcast, to get the latest on the us . plus, we'll be talking the us. plus, we'll be talking to foreign policy advisor to the prime minister , dr. sophia prime minister, dr. sophia foulk, who has just had a meeting with boris johnson in tel aviv. then at five, it's this week's outside . my special

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nail on the head, nana when you invited to join the invited gary to join the protest. i mean, it's just got beyond it, when protest. i mean, it's just got beyo sitting it, when protest. i mean, it's just got beyo sitting if it, when protest. i mean, it's just got beyositting if his when he's sitting in, if not his ivory very large ivory tower, he's very large house tweeting, beautiful bar. yes. is it in beautiful bars? yeah, probably doing an okay photo shoot at home whilst tweeting away about a protest, which is turning violent. i mean, if i were, say , to gary, mean, if i were, say, to gary, why doesn't gary sell poppies next week on charing cross station , we saw images of station, we saw the images of the sellers. i actually the poppy sellers. i actually met friend who getting off met a friend who was getting off the train at charing cross station the week . i station earlier in the week. i sat poppy station earlier in the week. i sat there. poppy station earlier in the week. i sat there. we poppy station earlier in the week. i sat there. we already poppy station earlier in the week. i sat there. we already had)py station earlier in the week. i sat on, there. we already had)py station earlier in the week. i sat on, smiled ie already had)py station earlier in the week. i sat on, smiled atilready had)py station earlier in the week. i sat on, smiled atilreadytheynpy one on, smiled at them. they weren't smiled weren't being smiled at yesterday who were yesterday by the people who were there. look, i believe the there. so look, i believe in the right protest , but there. so look, i believe in the right protest, but it's one right to protest, but it's one thing to have a peaceful protest . but clearly things are getting out of hand. but above all, what . but clearly things are getting out don't nd. but above all, what . but clearly things are getting out don't need ut above all, what . but clearly things are getting out don't need is above all, what . but clearly things are getting out don't need is celebrities what we don't need is celebrities putting their two penny worth in for many safe miles away while our police officers put themselves at risk. >> although he might argue that when we because week, when we said because last week, of when on the october of course, when on the october 7th when those things happened, everyone oh, gary's everyone said, oh, gary's staying gary staying staying quiet, gary staying quiet. finally quiet. but now he finally

speaks. you're like, ah, just be quiet. yeah , i mean, quiet. well, yeah, i mean, that's a fair point. that's that's a fair point. >> i mean, problem >> but i mean, the problem is, is know, gary was is that, you know, gary was a footballer for many years and he seems as seems to see everything as a football you're one football match. you're on one side you're on the other. side or you're on the other. everything can be simplistically reduced to a slogan in a few words. now, if you were being fair him and you look the fair to him and you look at the wording of the tweet, it's sort of suella language of attacking suella language rather specifically. but but even so, i think that, you know, he's trying to of be he's trying to sort of be unnuanced in response to nuance. it's just you know, and it's just a mess. you know, and clearly, protests are now clearly, these protests are now very, alarming and people very, very alarming and people are getting very, very anxious about going out the streets about going out into the streets of london. they're clearly of london. and they're clearly not doing the cause of peace or the people. the cause of the gazan people. any together. any good. so it's all together. any good. so it's all together. a disaster. and the last thing we is gary. at least we need is gary. at least we haven't carol in haven't had carol vorderman in the be the last few days, so be thankful small mercies . thankful for small mercies. >> i probably add touch >> dodi. i probably add touch wood if we could find any. >> of the things >> i think one of the things that's noticeable that's been most noticeable about various marches about these various marches is the between the difference in tone between the difference in tone between the palestinian marchers who were shouting from the river to

the sea, all those terrible things. >> we know exactly what they mean. there is hate in those marches and the very peaceful, dignified protests that the jewish community have been doing. >> and i think the difference is enormous. but gary lineker , to enormous. but gary lineker, to me, say, why don't the me, you might say, why don't the bbc stop him? well, first of all, they changed the rules to allow to they were allow him to do it. they were changed gary lineker so that changed for gary lineker so that he put oar in. and he could put his oar in. and carol and carol. and frankly, i think that they regard the bbc wokerati the top brass, regard him as their sort of useful idiot. he says the things that they would like to say and they don't feel they can them. don't feel they can say them. so don't feel they can say them. so don't gary it for don't worry, gary will do it for us. think i think can't us. but i think i think i can't remember who said it. yes, he was attacking suella. that's really do. really what he wanted to do. but i think he's absolutely they are hate filled hate marchers. they are filled with hate. you can feel it in the air. and they're wanting to get rid of jews from get rid of the jews from from palestine and the gaza strip, etcetera. is a fundamental, visceral hatred of the jewish people . and that, i think, people. and that, i think, carries through onto the streets

of london, which is what i think is so dangerous and so damaging. you now have jewish people in london who dare not go on the bus or the tube and they don't want to go out. women in particular, on their own because they're frightened of being attacked. is what we've attacked. now that is what we've come and that to me, those come to. and that to me, those hate fuelled marches because they are not everybody on the march is filled with hate. but the whole tenor of those marches is to me is hatred. >> it does feel that way. yes, there will be my friend actually went on one of the marches and she said that there was a very she said that there was a very she said that there was a very she said there was there was her alongside and alongside palestinians and alongside palestinians and alongside jewish people all wanting peace and dah dah dah . wanting peace and dah dah dah. and i said, that's lovely, but that's not what being played that's not what is being played out in media and that's not out in the media and that's not what seeing. so she said what i'm seeing. so she said that was of, you that there was a lot of, you know, were know, peace and they were standing side. but standing side by side. but i sort of thought , well, did you sort of thought, well, did you go carrying a an israeli go there carrying a an israeli flag? because i don't think that anyone would dare go to. well, we saw the guy the very brave

guy with the hamas terrorist bannen >>i bannen >> i haven't seen that footage before. mean, know, before. i mean, you know, that guy's but all he said guy's got guts. but all he said was that they terrorists and was that they are terrorists and which was that they are terrorists and whiwhich they are. even if >> which they are. and even if you were on that march and you were for were genuinely looking for peace, agree with peace, you would agree with it. right absolutely. >> saying because >> so he's not saying because if you a palestine, you you want a free palestine, you should the grip should want a free from the grip of absolutely of hamas. absolutely >> that region >> everybody in that region should want the destruction of hamas. that's what it should be all lot of the all about. and a lot of the other countries actually other arab countries actually fundamentally, they agree that hamas has to be dealt with. and frankly, is the moment. and frankly, this is the moment. and if don't with hamas if they don't deal with hamas now, just come back. i now, they will just come back. i know living in know the leaders are living in doha or i'm not sure where it is safely out of the way, but they've got to be completely crushed, that crushed, obliterated so that they rise again othennise. >> but gary does make one good point, of course, because he's saying peace saying that everyone wants peace or ceasefire, although a ceasefire won't equate to peace because that's what was actually happening before massacre . happening before the massacre. so before the october 7th massacre, what was happening was a ceasefire. bombs a ceasefire. although the bombs were over and everything, were coming over and everything, there wasn't actual ground on

there wasn't an actual ground on sort on war. so that sort of full on war. so that would be perceived as a ceasefire . so what has happened ceasefire. so what has happened now is a break in the ceasefire after obviously what happened on the 7th october. gary after obviously what happened on the 7make dctober. gary after obviously what happened on the 7make atober. gary after obviously what happened on the 7make a good gary after obviously what happened on the 7make a good pointiary does make a good point with regard fact he regard to the fact that he doesn't want children , young doesn't want children, young people but wants children. >> nobody that. and >> nobody wants that. and the easiest way stop this easiest way to stop this appalling is for hamas appalling violence is for hamas to release hostages . if they to release the hostages. if they want that, then release the hostages. that should be requirement number one for this whole scale down. absolutely. >> and i don't and i think celebrities need be careful celebrities need to be careful when that when they're saying things that they you they don't forget, that, you know, saw a nightclub, know, i mean, i saw a nightclub, a of fashionable club night a sort of fashionable club night in east london, of six in east london, sort of with six page statement its page statement about its position and position on on palestine and gaza today. and, of course, you know , that would have been fine know, that would have been fine to declare peace, but there was no of what the israeli no mention of what the israeli people been through. and people have been through. and the thing is, what i find extraordinary the marches is extraordinary at the marches is normally point normally marches have a point because they're calling for something remember iraq something. so remember the iraq war when a million people marched? remember being marched? i remember being trapped inside labour conferences. trapped inside labour confewas es. ask british that was to ask the british

government they government to do something. they were the were protesting outside the buildings decisions were protesting outside the build being decisions were protesting outside the buildbeing made. decisions were protesting outside the buildbeing made. theseecisions were protesting outside the buildbeing made. these marches were being made. these marches are actually not calling for anything because they are they're calling for something, not can't not the british government can't can't wanting to do is >> what they're wanting to do is impose . and we're impose their strength. and we're exactly this is what we're exactly. >> it's bully boy tactics of might. >> that's what we'll talk more about the marches , because about the marches, because that's the question i'll be asking you. that's the question i'll be askwhatnu. you think? i mean, is >> what do you think? i mean, is it ban of these it time to ban all of these pro—palestinian marches? it's time to ban celebrities tweeting. anything other tweeting. well anything other than their latest book. the bbc tried that . and i think tried that. and i think actually, i think he may even be breaching guidelines breaching the guidelines of the new because isn't it new rules. yeah because isn't it within 48 hours? >> two weeks. >> yeah, two weeks. >> two weeks. >> two weeks. >> no football the moment? >> there a football >> there was a football match i think yesterday wasn't there. >> they caved in time in >> they caved in last time in front gary lineker front of gary lineker and let him and this is him do it. and to me, this is a step far and i think he step too far and i think he should by the should be disciplined by the bbc. see. bbc. we'll see. >> i mean, if you've been >> well, i mean, if you've been reading our money, he's getting, you millions you know, millions and millions of listen, if you've been you know, millions and millions ofyou've listen, if you've been you know, millions and millions ofyou've been], if you've been you know, millions and millions ofyou've been reading ve been you know, millions and millions ofyou've been reading anyeen you know, millions and millions ofyou've been reading any of1 if you've been reading any of the stuff about the bbc, they're going themselves going to be finding themselves in financial

in a lot of financial difficulties because, of course, they're pay they're going to have to pay a lot plated pensions to lot of gold plated pensions to people, going cost people, and that's going to cost them people, and that's going to cost the |i people, and that's going to cost thei think currently the >> i think currently the pensions costing about >> i think currently the pens of s costing about >> i think currently the pens of their costing about >> i think currently the pens of their income about >> i think currently the pens of their income already)out >> i think currently the pens of their income already .ilit >> i think currently the pens of their income already . but 40% of their income already. but when time moves on, some of these bigger celebrities, when they retire, lot money they retire, a lot of that money is these people . is going to these people. >> pension from the bbc >> yeah, my pension from the bbc is not gold plated, isn't it? oh i knew shouldn't have got up i knew i shouldn't have got up out bed morning. out of bed this morning. >> mean, such >> i mean, that is such a depressing thought that we're going to go on funding going to have to go on funding gary lineker the of gary lineker for the rest of his. >> about his. >> think about funding my pension in my tiny little pension. be pension. that'll be that'll be that'll better. that'll make you feel better. >> dead long >> well, i'll be dead long before gary lineker draws his pension. well, a very pension. probably. well, a very depressing to forever >> you're going to go on forever after these crikey after 4:00. these two. crikey this on tv online and this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua coming world and coming up, it's world view and we'll crossing los we'll be crossing live to los angeles israel to get the angeles and israel to get the latest on what's going on around the next, it's the world. but up next, it's time british the world. but up next, it's time this british the world. but up next, it's time this hour, british the world. but up next, it's time this hour, i'mish the world. but up next, it's time this hour, i'm asking , debate. this hour, i'm asking, should the should we ban the pro—palestinian demonstrations ? pro—palestinian demonstrations? i've pull up right now on i've got a pull up right now on x question . x asking that very question. what do you think? get your questions in. send me your thoughts. email gb views.

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i'm nana akua. this is gb news don't forget as well. you can download news app and download the gb news app and check programmes, check out all the programmes, but now for the great but it's time now for the great british debate this hour and i'm asking we ban the asking should we ban the pro—palestine demonstrations now? all of them i'm now? that's all of them i'm talking about, not just the one coming up next weekend or the ones might in ones the fighting might be in the middle east, it affects the middle east, but it affects the middle east, but it affects the effects of global around the world. demonstrations world. regular demonstrations have been held show support have been held to show support for palestine . and for israel's and palestine. and back home, thousands of pro—palestinian protesters gathered in london yesterday calling for a ceasefire in gaza for a third successive week. now this comes amid a row over protests planned for a week's time , which could disrupt time, which could disrupt remembrance day events . today, remembrance day events. today, people formed a human chain to show support for israel hostage held by hamas . tensions have held by hamas. tensions have been rising every weekend as the marches continue . bahram, a marches continue. bahram, a member of the kidnap from israel group, says that pro—palestinian demonstrators are not respecting the uk . the uk. >> they make me to feel unsafe

is due as an israeli citizen, as someone right now who live in the uk, i see the violence in this protest and i see that they are not respecting the place that they are. the united kingdom and here are standing kingdom and here we are standing remembering the remembrance day and united and thinking about the united kingdom about the people and kingdom and about the people and working with the united kingdom government to bring the hostages back home. government to bring the hostages bac so ome. government to bring the hostages bac so omnthe government to bring the hostages bacso omnthe great british >> so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, should we ban the pro—palestinian demonstrations ? pro—palestinian demonstrations? i'm joined now political i'm joined now by political commentator evans and commentator suzanne evans and matthew with me in the matthew stadlen with me in the studio, the studio, joining me live from the leeds cultural commentator, dr. philip kingsley . all right, so, philip kingsley. all right, so, philip, i'm going to start with you. what's your thoughts on this ? this? >> hi, nana. >> hi, nana. >> i think that we should ban them. and the reason i think we should ban them is because they are an affront to free speech. >> they aren't about the ceasefire. they aren't about peace . they're a celebration of peace. they're a celebration of aggression . if they were about aggression. if they were about free speech, if they were about

all of the things they purport to be about, then they would allow israelis , israeli allow israelis, israeli advocates to stand there and talk about the give the you know, give the argument for israel, that's never going to happen. we saw yesterday, i think you've just been talking about actually. we saw about it actually. we saw yesterday guy was yesterday the guy who was holding up the banner saying hamas terrorists . that's hamas are terrorists. that's just fact . and he was just a simple fact. and he was attacked. i think that really shows precisely what these what these protests are about. but i think there's something else as well. i think they represent a deep seated bigotry and anti—semitism in the in the in the institution as well. because i was just looking today , doctor i was just looking today, doctor martin white, who's a paediatrician at newcastle royal infirmary, he said and i'm quoting here, i've written it down, ha ha ha. ezekiel ha ha ha. gassed the jews . ha ha ha. ha. gassed the jews. ha ha ha. just kidding . but have you seen just kidding. but have you seen those youtube videos about the holohoax? they're pretty convincing. so i don't think

it's just people on the streets . it's just people on the streets. i think they're being egged on supporters shouted and endorsed by the institutions. that's why i think they're in front of free speech and that's why i think they're very frightening . they're very frightening. >> all right. thank you for that, susanna evans. >> have a huge amount of >> i have a huge amount of sympathy that which sympathy with that view, which i think eloquently think was very eloquently expressed. default position expressed. my default position is absolutely to say, no, we shouldn't ban them because i think the right to protest should be a universal right in my view, not just an absolute right in a democracy. i believe passionately in free speech. however it does come with limits and it seems to me that this has been breached on every single one of the occasions that these marches been held. i think marches have been held. i think at the very least, there should be a parliamentary debate on this issue. i also think that these marches need to be much more policed . i think more strongly policed. i think we should bring the army in if necessary, because to necessary, because it seems to me are me that the police are completely and completely outnumbered and ovennhelmed here. i just look at what's happening and i'm absolutely appalled by it. and

this is the problem, isn't it? we've got this vile expression of hate on our streets. and of course, that is going to lead to calls for a ban. but i do think thatis calls for a ban. but i do think that is a very dangerous ground to go down in principle. >> matthew sutton i'm very clear about this nana . about this nana. >> i support the right to protest peacefully within in the law. >> i think that the vast majority and by the vast majority, we're talking thousands or tens of thousands of people on these marches are not breaking the law. they are marching peacefully. >> however , there are obviously >> however, there are obviously elements on these marches who do behave in despicable ways and that's what our police force is. therefore i'm jewish, a very close jewish friend of mine was on the march yesterday and he saw no hate on any banners. however, and this is an important caveat because just because i believe the marches should be allowed to go ahead doesn't mean i would go on one of them myself . of them myself. >> he did not see a single banner calling for the release

of the israeli hostages and that's just one of various reasons why i myself will not be marching next weekend. >> but but the point that suella braverman was making that these marches do seem like hate filled marches. i mean, that's just from my observation. and i know you said your friend went on one and quite peaceful and it seemed quite peaceful and there expression there was no expression of external hate. but did anybody go on one of those marches with an israeli flag? i mean, that i mean, did he talk about that, matthew? >> i just said, he >> well, as i just said, he didn't see any placards calling for release of israeli hostages. >> we saw that very disturbing israeli flag. we saw ask him about that. but we saw that very disturb being clip, didn't we, where someone said hamas are terrorists and he seemed to be being abused ? being abused? >> that's entirely unacceptable . >> that's entirely unacceptable. >> that's entirely unacceptable. >> hamas are terrorists. they're not just terrorists. they're mediaeval savages. what they did on october the seventh was absolutely disgusting and depraved . depraved. >> and that doesn't mean that the vast majority of people on

those marches support hamas . those marches support hamas. >> but i would like to see expressions, far more expressions, far more expressions against hamas on those marches. i think that's not philip in on that, because last week, philip, we talked about the jihadi gp, didn't we? >> and he was a leader for one of the one of the islamic groups , which was really calling for the blood of jews actually . and the blood of jews actually. and he was happy as to what happened and that israel was given a nose by what happened on the 7th of october. right >> yeah. i mean this is just a ground hog day for us, isn't it? you know, it's protest after protest. we're going through the same dreary thing over and over again . and as i've just said again. and as i've just said before, it's driven by professionals as much as anything. i mean, i was just looking at some of the images today and in chatting, i take on board what matthew is saying. but charing cross station today, there's swastika over there. there's a swastika over there. you know , um, and what people you know, um, and what people are trying to do, people are trying to contexture actualise a

conceptualise or theorise these things away . they won't go away things away. they won't go away once you've got swastikas on the streets of britain and you've got people trying to make excuses . is that kind of imagery excuses. is that kind of imagery ? then we're finished and just to come back to matthew's point, again, i understand what he's saying, but it's not just about seeing things as seeing particular things as there's a spirit here. there's a spirit abroad , which is spirit abroad, which is incredibly worrying. there's a sensibility and the sensibility is totalitarianism. it's authoritarian. it's cutting down the opposition . it's sneering. the opposition. it's sneering. it's horrible . it's cruel. um it's horrible. it's cruel. um i've been involved in, you know, culture wars for a long time. i get angry about things. i'm not only angry now, i'm frightened . only angry now, i'm frightened. i'm frightened for my friends. i'm frightened for my friends. i'm frightened for my friends. i'm frightened for my country. i'm frightened for my country. i'm frightened for my country. i'm frightened for my family. and i'm for myself. i'm the first to admit it. yeah >> okay. briefly to you, matthew. >> so just quickly, what happens

in totalitarian states is they ban peaceful protests . and i ban peaceful protests. and i will say i will i will say it was the majority of it seemed to be peaceful. i will say again, swastikas, any form of anti—semitism be clamped anti—semitism should be clamped down on immediately . down on immediately. >> lee yeah. suzanne quickly to you. >> yeah, i think this is the issue, isn't it? hamas wouldn't think twice about banning anything didn't like and anything it didn't like and potentially shooting on potentially shooting people on sight as as sight as well. they are as as we've all agreed, i think terrorists . it's a very, very terrorists. it's a very, very brief line to draw. >> so very briefly, suzanne evans, , should we all evans, then, should we ban all these pro—palestinian le parisien protests, yes or no? >> need to be a hell >> no. but we need to be a hell of saddened, or no? of a lot saddened, yes or no? >> no. and dr. philip kinsley, yes no ? yes. ban them. ban yes or no? yes. ban them. ban them . all right. well, thank you them. all right. well, thank you so much suzanne evans , so much to suzanne evans, matthew stadlen, and also philip kissel. said that right? kissel. have i said that right? philip way? do to say philip by the way? i do to say that kizilay kizilay thank you very much . all right. thank you very much. all right. thank you so much to you. you're with me. i'm nana roe v wade. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue british digital radio. coming up, we'll continuthis british digital radio. coming up, we'll continuthis hour british digital radio. coming up, we'll continuthis hour and british digital radio. coming up, we'll continuthis hour and i'm ritish digital radio. coming up, we'll continuthis hour and i'm asking, debate this hour and i'm asking,

should we ban pro—palestinian demonstrations? you'll hear the thoughts . christine thoughts of my panel. christine hamilton still hamilton and matthew lazar still to outside my to come, this week's outside my special celebrity guest is known as a competitive swimmer. he's also patron for the also a patron for the anaphylaxis campaign , the uk anaphylaxis campaign, the uk charity for some very with people with severe allergies . people with severe allergies. can anyone guess who he might be? stay tuned. find out more. but first, get your latest but first, let's get your latest news with ray allison . news with ray allison. >> thanks, nana. it's 431. our top stories humza yousaf's in—laws have arrived back in scotland after being trapped in gaza for more than three weeks. mr yousaf confirmed the news on x and posted a photo of the reunion, saying he's pleased they're back home safely . the they're back home safely. the foreign office is pressing for the rafah crossing to reopen to allow uk nationals to escape gaza. allow uk nationals to escape gaza . egypt announced the gaza. egypt announced the suspension of evacuations following a deadly attack on an ambulance . following a deadly attack on an ambulance. boris johnson has visited a kibbutz as he continues his tour of israel in

a show of solidarity. the former prime minister who arrived in the country this morning made the country this morning made the trip alongside former australian pm scott morrison. earlier they met idf soldiers in jerusalem and later mrjohnson is expected to meet israeli president isaac herzog . president isaac herzog. watlington. breaking news thames water has declared a major incident in godalming in surrey after storm ciaran the bad weather conditions have caused issues at shalford. water treatment works affecting local water supplies . thames water water supplies. thames water says they're working to restore those supplies to the area in the meantime, they're providing bottled water. gb news understands some stores are actually starting to sell out as residents bolster their own suppues residents bolster their own supplies under the hamburg airport, hostage situation has ended after an armed 35 year old man used a vehicle to break through security and on to the runway where he held his four year old daughter hostage for 18 hours. german police say it's

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sunday mornings from 930 on . gb news. >> good afternoon 37 minutes after 4:00. if you've just tuned in, welcome on board this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. now it's time for the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, should we ban the pro—palestinian demonstrators as the fighting might be in the middle east? but it affects us here in this country. thousands of pro—palestinian protests have gathered in london yesterday, calling for a ceasefire in gaza for a third successive week. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says that there's been hateful conduct at such demonstrations . tensions have demonstrations. tensions have also been rising every weekend as the marches continue. so what

do you think for the great british debate? i'm asking, should we the should we ban the pro—palestinian demonstrations ? pro—palestinian demonstrations? i that in places i mean, they do that in places like they banned. like france. they are banned. let's panel make of let's see what my panel make of that. joined author that. i'm joined by author and broadcaster christine hamilton that. i'm joined by author and broa also ter christine hamilton that. i'm joined by author and broaalso a' christine hamilton that. i'm joined by author and broaalso a former ne hamilton that. i'm joined by author and broa also a former labour|ilton and also a former labour adviser, matthew laza . adviser, matthew laza. christine, i'm coming to you first. are your thoughts on first. what are your thoughts on all of this? >> well, everything every fibre of my and any decent of my being and any decent person's being is not to ban anything like that because we believe in free speech. it's what fought world wars for, what we fought world wars for, etcetera. and people have died for the ability of other people to express their views, even if you disagree with them . but i you disagree with them. but i think what i find so objectionable is their threat to march towards the cenotaph. the remembrance weekend, and i find that so deliberately provocative . why? there's only one reason why. it's to create, i think, major disruption . they're major disruption. they're probably itching for a bit of a fight to go on and i think it's one of the most sacred parts of

the british calendar. and i think the fact that they've chosen to do that route allows them out of court, frankly. and i would ban that march. i would say just just that if you're going to march towards the cenotaph, no, you're not. go elsewhere march another day, elsewhere, march on another day, go elsewhere . they don't have to go elsewhere. they don't have to come the cenotaph, do they? come via the cenotaph, do they? i it's sort of centre, i know it's the sort of centre, but that about but you could say that about anybody a protest. anybody who sets up a protest. >> any protest is >> the idea of any protest is usually to draw attention, so you'd a protest on a time you'd have a protest on a time even like strikes or a protest or those type are done or those type things are done specifically to cause aggravation in effect. >> but don't you think they've caused enough already? and actually one particular caused enough already? and actualljl one particular caused enough already? and actualljl would e particular caused enough already? and actualljl would absolutelyr caused enough already? and actualljl would absolutely ban march, i would absolutely ban them from coming into central london. i'm afraid i would. and it against basic it goes against my basic philosophy , which is freedom of philosophy, which is freedom of speech. obviously >> matthew laza well, i'm on the left spent left of politics, but i spent my entire desperate trying to entire life desperate trying to avoid on marches because avoid going on marches because as they partly because they often end in trouble, a good march is fun. i think you may have been on more than me. christie i think been on

christie i think i've been on one. all seriousness , uh, one. but in all seriousness, uh, my understanding is that they always to licenced. they always have to be licenced. they always have to be licenced. they always for health and always have to for health and safety reasons. quite sensible ones. and also because particularly you cannot keep repeating the same march in the same place every week. it's not a right to have once you've made your point, to keep making it to the exclusion of other things, let's remind ourselves that you know, the nation is making a point remembering point in remembering its war dead. . i live just dead. next week. i live just over westminster bridge . you over westminster bridge. you know, the whitehall where the cenotaph is, is closed for much of the weekend . quite rightly of the weekend. quite rightly so. et cetera. so i think yes, absolutely . this is absolutely. this is inappropriate. and does the cause a disservice. that's the other thing. it gets in people's backs up so much . so there backs up so much. so there should be no marching for anything next week. it's look, it's the weekend where there's no weekend no politics. it's the weekend where mps of all parties come. it's the one absolutely unbreakable thing that you don't do politics on remembrance day, you go and you pay your respects i >> -- >> so why did your labour mayor

then he would have been part of that licencing procedure. why would he have sanctioned it? well i think initially it's fine to it was initially fine to have to it was initially fine to have to have one. >> and of course , on that day, >> and of course, on that day, sorry , a sanction for this. if sorry, a sanction for this. if can't sanction this weekend is wrong. that one, he's wrong to have done that initially when they sanctioned the first one and the cenotaph was used and they people to walk they expect people just to walk past remember , there have past it and remember, there have been causes have been lots of causes that have walked leftie causes . walked past their leftie causes. as know, more . and they as you know, more. and they haven't. and everybody's paid respect , respects. and what they respect, respects. and what they did a stage right respect, respects. and what they didthe a stage right respect, respects. and what they didthe cenotaph. a stage right respect, respects. and what they didthe cenotaph. ia stage right respect, respects. and what they didthe cenotaph. i would�* right by the cenotaph. i would have said done said once you've done that, you've the rules. you've broken the rules. you can't you can't walk down here again. you go but you can't go to a park. but you can't march down there because we gave you you broke the you permission and you broke the trust that we put in you. >> me, they >> exactly. to me, they forfeited their rights. >> i was trying to >> that's it. i was trying to think the right it. think of the right word for it. >> do. when you >> they should not do. when you think who the cenotaph, think who comes to the cenotaph, never mind all the people who are watching it on television, the ex—servicemen, the war widows, i mean widows, people like that. i mean , only person i , i can't be the only person i cannot watch that. >> certainly not the war

>> you're certainly not the war widows always. >> and you just you know, it is so deeply moving. it is so precious to i'm about to cry now thinking about it. it is so precious to british people. i mean, how dare they? how? >> and it's so not politically. politically. it's people of all backgrounds, all traditions. and crucially, it's not crucially, of course, it's not just people in just remembering people in britain, but it's remembering all the people in the commonwealth, including people from okay, so as from palestine. but okay, so as it was as it was called, your view is that you would simply just ban this one, but you wouldn't ban all. i would ban this one and then i would relocate them . i would ban them relocate them. i would ban them from the that been from the route that they've been taking because they've abused that route. forfeited that route. they forfeited the right, as christine says, marches in the past have been restricted can restricted to parks. you can have protest, can put have a protest, you can put a stage a park, then stage up in a park, and then it's for the police it's much easier for the police to you remember in to police. do you remember in austerity when there was a bit of vogue marches of a vogue for marches and we had the kettling? had the right but the kettling? do became do you know when that became the word haven't word or the thing? we haven't seen much have we? seen much of that, have we? students got kettle calling for seen much of that, have we? stud(no, got kettle calling for seen much of that, have we? stud(no, no. kettle calling for you? no, no. >> christine. >> christine. >> think police >> well, i think the police are frightened wrong frightened is probably the wrong word. i mean, if you're

word. but i mean, if you're certainly police certainly if you're a police woman in the middle of one of those by those marches surrounded by pretty i mean , pretty fearsome people, i mean, you would hesitate you would i would hesitate before going in trying to before going in and trying to arrest think it's arrest them. i think it's a really situation for really frightening situation for the police, frankly. >> well, let's see what the viewers think as this show is nothing you. let's nothing without you. so let's get your views. welcome get your views. let's welcome our onto our great british voices onto the opportunity to the show. their opportunity to be and tell us what be on the show and tell us what they their topics they think about their topics we're where we're discussing. where should we're discussing. where should we should we we go this hour? where should we go? to go? should we head over to where's map gone? i've where's my little map gone? i've not got the map days . not even got the map these days. >> it's been cut. >> it's been cut. >> let's to south hampton. >> let's go to south hampton. what's going on? >> oh, they had to pay for the new mugs. >> nana. tom nice to see we >> nana. tom nice to see you. we usually little map usually have a nice little map that a little flight that will do a little flight towards you, but doesn't matter. tom. nice to welcome on board. and about and what do you think about this? should we ban i mean, i'm saying but what saying ban all of them, but what do you think? >> good afternoon, nana to ban them, desecrate the them, would desecrate the cenotaph itself because the people that fought and died fought and died for to keep our freedoms . freedoms. >> however, you can't allow

people to think that it's okay to desecrate that that monument that they can walk past there and shout and hate and spite and be in malicious towards one another past such a great monument. >> i don't believe that one that's planned for next weekend should be permitted to go now. >> they can turn around and shout and say that's unfair, that's unfair. >> that's not that's undemocratic. >> but everything i've witnessed from the weekend of the atrocities to today's date is abhorrent to me . i spent years a abhorrent to me. i spent years a few years in the in the armed forces, then a firefighter for 30 years. and i've seen horrendous sights . but what horrendous sights. but what i witnessed on that weekend was disgusting . and anyone who wants disgusting. and anyone who wants to march in support of hamas really needs to give their head a bit of a wobble. >> well, some of them might

argue that they're supporting and being properly and they're being properly austenian, but suella braverman , austenian, but suella braverman, do you think suella is right to call them hate filled marchers ? call them hate filled marchers? >> i think the majority of people like we know 99% of this world are nice people and they're doing something because they're doing something because they believe what they're doing to be correct left and right? >> i do , however, believe that >> i do, however, believe that despite and malice that's being pushed into these marches are for other reasons . for anyone for other reasons. for anyone who wants peace to stop war or to want to walk past the cenotaph and cause trouble tells me the story of why they're doing it. it's not about peace. it's not about the poor people that are being blown up in gaza . that are being blown up in gaza. there is more to this than than than we know. maybe >> yeah. tom cromwell, thank you very much . beautifully done. very much. beautifully done. that's tom cromwell. he's my great british voice this afternoon. thank you , tom. afternoon. thank you, tom. lovely to you. you're lovely to speak to you. you're with i'm nana akua. this is

with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb and on gb news on tv, online and on digital coming up, it's digital radio. coming up, it's this i'm joined this week's outside. i'm joined by former olympic swimmer. by a former olympic swimmer. he's celebrity he's he's a celebrity guest. he's he's been a competitive swimmer for many years. he's competed in the olympics . he's also been the olympics. he's also been a contestant on strictly come dancing . his best events include dancing. his best events include the 50m butterfly and 50m freestyle. he's also freestyle. and he's also involved in charity work, i'm sure lots of you have guessed who he i'm sure you have. who he is. i'm sure you have. but first we have. let's get some weather. >> there. jonathan >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey your gb news vautrey here with your gb news weather provided the vautrey here with your gb news weaioffice provided the vautrey here with your gb news weaioffice generally,ided the vautrey here with your gb news weaioffice generally, east the vautrey here with your gb news weaioffice generally, east is the met office generally, east is best for any bonfire night celebrations you're attending this . eastern areas will this evening. eastern areas will hold on to dry hold on to largely dry conditions intervals conditions and clear intervals throughout it. but in the west, we do have showers to watch we do have some showers to watch out for, particularly the focus across of northwest across parts of northwest england. they'll be around the bristol well , the bristol channel way as well, the second of the night, second half of the night, beginning into parts beginning to fringe into parts of and kent as well. but of sussex and kent as well. but generally of dry, generally still a lot of dry, clear conditions and clear conditions around. and underneath that, some mist and fog and it will also fog will form and it will also turn quite chilly, particularly for where we for eastern scotland, where we certainly can expect some frost to as we head into

to develop as we head into monday. it is overall another day sunshine and showers . day of sunshine and showers. those showers frequent in those showers most frequent in the once again be the west once again could be heavy times , maybe some heavy at times, maybe with some thunderstorms some hail as thunderstorms and some hail as well. some sunshine in the well. still some sunshine in the mix, but the most prolonged sunshine eastern sunshine will be for eastern areas, few showers just areas, but a few showers just beginning to migrate their way across england across into eastern england later afternoon . a later on in the afternoon. a breezy day overall, but temperatures around where we expect time year expect them for the time of year between ten and 14 c as we head into tuesday. it will start off fairly showery once again . but fairly showery once again. but this high pressure is fairly showery once again. but this going high pressure is fairly showery once again. but this going t0|igh pressure is fairly showery once again. but this going t0|igh ppushings then going to start pushing its way across uk . so the way in across the uk. so the showers will ease off the winds will lighter well will turn lighter as well and into generally, will turn lighter as well and into will generally, will turn lighter as well and into will turn generally, will turn lighter as well and into will turn drierenerally, will turn lighter as well and into will turn drier forrally, will turn lighter as well and into will turn drier for a.ly, will turn lighter as well and into will turn drier for a lot things will turn drier for a lot of areas and there will be some sunny around enjoy sunny spells around to enjoy joy- sunny spells around to enjoy joy. for wednesday, though we start to see a more widespread band rain beginning to sweep band of rain beginning to sweep its way in. into the second its way in. but into the second half first half of the week, first day friday, showers return once friday, the showers return once again for the rest of your day. bye , charity work. bye bye, charity work. >> right? so you're with me. i'm nana akua. is gb news nana akua. this is gb news coming up in the next hour , it's

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it's time now for world view. 88 british nationals have been prevented from crossing the border into egypt. officials temporarily closed the rafah crossing after an accusation swirled about hamas infiltration amongst the injured . so joining amongst the injured. so joining me to talk about the conflict is foreign policy advisor to the israeli prime minister, dr. sophia falk. dr. sophia , thank sophia falk. dr. sophia, thank you very much for coming, for talking to me with regarding to this. so can you sort of give us an update because i know you've recently had a meeting with bofis recently had a meeting with boris johnson. how did that go ? boris johnson. how did that go? >> thank you for having me. nana actually , boris johnson and actually, boris johnson and scott morrison phoned up, called up the prime ministerjust up the prime minister just recently. earlier today , to show recently. earlier today, to show a strong sign of support. we appreciate that. support the prime minister thanked them for being with israel and more importantly, being in israel, showing strong support. >> now. can you give us an update then? what's the latest from tel aviv .

from tel aviv. >> well, the latest is that we are close to three and a half weeks into this war, a war that was waged against us by hamas on october 7th when they outlawed it, the worst terrorist attack ever on the jewish people . they ever on the jewish people. they infiltrated israel for butchering, killing , murdering butchering, killing, murdering 1400 people, killing kids in front of their parents, killing parents in front of their children , tying up children , children, tying up children, burning babies alive and now we're taking the war back to them. we're waging war on hamas and we will destroy hamas, israel is fully united, united like never before in this mission of destroying hamas . mission of destroying hamas. israel is united. the government is united. the cabinet is united in one goal and one goal only to destroy hamas , to destroy hamas. destroy hamas, to destroy hamas. and we appreciate the strong support we're receiving from our allies, from the united states, from the united kingdom, from

all our allies, both moral and material support. and this is a moment of moral clarity. either you're with civilisation, this is a battle of civilisation against these barbaric savages from hamas , and we will destroy from hamas, and we will destroy hamas . hamas. >> now you're hearing you talked about a lot of the support which you are getting, but you're also getting a lot of pressure for a ceasefire a pause in the ceasefire or a pause in the fighting realistic that ? fighting. how realistic is that? >> well, a ceasefire is it's ridiculous. there is not going to be any ceasefire asking for a ceasefire would be like asking america to ceasefire after al—qaeda attacked them or 9/11. this is actually ten times worse than 9/11 for israel. it's like the equivalent of 50,000 americans being killed in one day. it's the equivalent of a . day. it's the equivalent of a. of 14,000 british day. it's the equivalent of a. of14,000 british people being killed in one day. it's not going to happen. we're going to destroy hamas. and we actually appreciate the support we're receiving from the uk. it's the greatest support we've ever received from from from the uk's

is it's greater than the balfour declaration 106 years ago. and we clearly thank you for that . yeah. >> and of course a lot of other countries you're seeing a lot of protests in other countries and they're pro—palestine opinion protests that must be quite difficult to watch and see. >> well, as i said, clearly , >> well, as i said, clearly, this is a moment of moral clarity . either you with clarity. either you with civilisation or you with these barbarian savage hamas terrorists. i think that a lot of the people demonstrating today are misinformed. there's a lot of disinformation out there. i don't think anybody on the street is walking on the street with a stain mine and a stain heart would side with somebody who beheads children and burns babies alive. i mean, i don't think any human being can be on that side . so, again, this is that side. so, again, this is a moment of moral clarity , and i moment of moral clarity, and i think everybody should be on israel's side. and i think that, in fact, is the case. everybody with with a with a straight mind

and a moral heart is with israel . and just to make another clarification , israel is acting clarification, israel is acting in complete compliance with international law and all the civilian casualties are on hamas's hands. civilian casualties are on hamas's hands . all the civilian hamas's hands. all the civilian casualties are on hamas's hands. all right . we have been casualties are on hamas's hands. all right. we have been urging civilians to get out of harm's way from the outset . we've way from the outset. we've waited three weeks for civilians to get out of harm's way, to go to get out of harm's way, to go to the south—west of gaza, to get out of harm's way as israel destroys hamas . thankfully, destroys hamas. thankfully, about 800,000 gazans have gone down to the southwest. the hamas is doing everything they can to block these civilians from getting out of out of harm's way at gunpoint and sometimes even shooting them at sometimes. and we're urging them to get out of harm's way. so all of these civilians that are being tragically caught up the tragically caught up in the fire, all those civilians are on hamas's hands. fire, all those civilians are on hamas's hands . we're doing hamas's hands. we're doing everything possible. israel is doing everything possible to

minimise civilian civilian casualties. and hamas is seeking to maximise while they hide behind and below these civilians i >> well, they're doing the opposite. dr. fox, thank you very much for speaking to me. he's the foreign policy adviser to the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. thank you very right, very much. all right, let's travel america now . travel over to america now. let's chat with paul let's have a chat with paul duddridge, of the duddridge, the host of the politics podcast . let's duddridge, the host of the politout podcast . let's duddridge, the host of the politout what's podcast . let's duddridge, the host of the politout what's going;t. let's duddridge, the host of the politout what's going on. _et's duddridge, the host of the politout what's going on. trump find out what's going on. trump is upstaging desantis and his own state. talk to me about it, paul own state. talk to me about it, paul. we haven't got much time with you, sadly. but tell me all about it. no, it's okay. >> i'll talk quick. republican party summit yesterday in florida . that should be florida. that should be a triumphal return for desantis. >> governor of florida >> he's the governor of florida for trump completely wiped the floor with him and everybody that was dissenting against trump . chris christie got booed trump. chris christie got booed on that stage . but desantis on that stage. but desantis really might as well not have turned up at all. i think trump described him as like a poor little bird falling from the skies . it's it's desantis skies. it's just it's desantis must get out of this race. he must get out of this race. he must get out of this race. he must get he's only polling 13%

and he can't even win in his own state at the moment of which he is the governor he is the governor of florida. and trump announced yesterday that he was filing to be to be filing to be nominated in florida, got a huge cheer at a republican party summit. so it should have it wasn't a trump rally, but it may as well have been. >> now, you also having what we have here, lots of pro—palestinian . it's pro—palestinian protests. it's talk those because talk to me about those because you had one some in new york, chicago show, 100,000 chicago show, over 100,000 people. also in washington, people. and also in washington, dc , 100,000 people in dc, 100,000 people in washington, dc. >> yesterday , chicago, new york, >> yesterday, chicago, new york, 100,000 people in washington, dc . they tried breaching the gates of the white house. they tried. they was damage to the white house. the perimeter fence , and house. the perimeter fence, and they the fence, they tried breaching the fence, but be treated as but they will not be treated as insurrection . that's that's insurrection. that's that's apparently trump supporters apparently only trump supporters on january the 6th. anybody trying to breach climb into the white house, damaging that they're going to treated they're going to be treated absolutely free speech absolutely as just free speech advocates. but yes, it's we're

having exactly the same reaction and divisions here as you seem to be experiencing. >> and briefly , joe biden, >> and briefly, joe biden, apparently some people are turning him, accusing of turning on him, accusing him of supporting palestinians . is supporting the palestinians. is that i want to get that right? yeah i want to get the wording right. >> rashida tlaib, again, keir starmer like, you know, anybody on the left now you're starting to the true divisions come to see the true divisions come out. tlaib, a his own out. rashida tlaib, a his own congresswoman from michigan, accused joe biden of supporting the genocide of palestinians. that's his own team, and that's the division that we're talking about. you're seeing it with keir starmer. you're seeing it now with joe biden. listen thank you much, paul duddridge, you so much, paul duddridge, host podcast. >> as thank you, >> good as ever. thank you, paul >> good as ever. thank you, paul. loads more to paul. stay tuned. loads more to come the next hour . it's come in the next hour. it's 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua for the next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the

headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines up , headlines right now. coming up, the debate. i'm the great british debate. i'm asking is the covid inquiry a waste of time on the way, of course. my mystery guest for outside. but first, let's get your latest news with ray addison . addison. >> good afternoon. it's coming up to 5:01. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our top stories. bofis the newsroom. our top stories. boris johnson has visited a kibbutz as he continues his tour of israel in a show of solidarity. the former prime minister who arrived in the country this morning made the trip alongside former australian pm scott morrison, the kibbutz. they visited was attacked by hamas on october seventh. earlier, the two former leaders met idf soldiers in jerusalem. later, mrjohnson is met idf soldiers in jerusalem. later, mr johnson is expected to meet israeli president isaac herzog. boris johnson acknowledged that there is a rise in anti—semitic behaviour here globally. >> there's been no single attack like this on the jewish people

since the second world war. that's a matter of record . and that's a matter of record. and you know what? i think that that may be because across the world the memory and the lesson in of that appalling crime and 6 million died the memory may be starting to fade and it may be that what we're really seeing now in some of these these marches and these and these demos and the unthinking way people are talking about this issue. >> well , we're starting to see >> well, we're starting to see perhaps i really hope this isn't the case, but you're seeing more and more evidence of anti—semitism . anti —semitism. >> anti—semitism. >> humza anti —semitism. >> humza yousaf anti—semitism. >> humza yousaf in—laws have arrived back in scotland after being trapped in gaza for more than three weeks. scotland's first minister confirmed the news on x and posted a photo of the reunion, saying he's pleased they're back home safely. the foreign office is pressing for the rafah crossing to reopen to allow uk national teams to escape gaza. egypt announced

announced the suspension of evacuations following a deadly attack on an ambulance . anthony attack on an ambulance. anthony blinken is in turkey to continue humanitarian talks with foreign ministers after the us secretary of state met with the palestinian president in ramallah in the west bank. president abbas told him an immediate ceasefire is needed. the pair also discussed getting more aid into gaza and efforts to restore stability to the west bank. prime minister rishi sunak and the home secretary suella braverman have expressed concern about further other pro—palestine protests during armistice day. the police met the met police commissioner sir mark rowley has promised to take a robust approach and to use all the powers available to ensure commemorative events are not undermined. deputy pm oliver dowden says armistice day should be about honouring the sacrifice made by previous generations . made by previous generations. >> i have really grave concerns

about this and i think that certainly representing a large jewish community as i do, but it's broader than the jewish community. we should be honounng community. we should be honouring and respect, noting the sacrifice made by previous generations and certainly shouldn't have the kind of intimate nation that you see in those marches . those marches. >> well, meanwhile, shadow defence secretary john healey says we live in a democracy and must balance the right to protest . protest. >> it's an operational decision for the police. they are to talking the protest organisers who want to show their solidarity with palestinians and they're looking at a different place in london at a time. two hours after the remembrance service at the cenotaph and i hope we'll be able to get to a situation where we're not banning the right of protest, but we're absolutely ensuring that the remembrance , that the remembrance, recognition and honour of those people who've served and fallen to defend us in this country is fully respected . fully respected. >> thames water has declared a

major incident in godalming in surrey after storm ciaran . the surrey after storm ciaran. the bad weather conditions have caused issues at shalford water treatment works affecting local water supplies. thames water say they're working to restore more those supplies to the area . in those supplies to the area. in the meantime, they're providing bottled water to gb news understands that some stores are starting to sell out as residents bolster their own suppues. residents bolster their own supplies . the residents bolster their own supplies. the hamburg airport hostage situation has ended. it's after an armed 35 year old man used a vehicle to break through security and onto the runway where he held his four year old daughter hostage for 18 hours. german police saying it's likely a custody dispute. the suspect was arrested without resistance. the child is unharmed and prince william is in singapore to attend the 2023 earthshot prize ceremony . the earthshot prize ceremony. the prince of wales will host the united for wildlife global summit in conjunction with his earthshot environmental initiative . he hopes to shine a

initiative. he hopes to shine a spotlight on southeast asia's role in the illegal wildlife trade. the earthshot awards on tuesday will see five category winners presented with £1 million each to scale up their environmental ideas. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital radio and on car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. let's get back to nana. >> thank you, ray. it's just coming up to six minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv onune 5:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua for the next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, it's yours . we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. no debating, discussing and at timewille will disagree. no debating, discussing and at timewill be ll disagree. no debating, discussing and at timewill be cancelled 5. no debating, discussing and at timewill be cancelled . no debating, discussing and at timewill be cancelled . so no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is christine hamilton and also matthew lazor. still to come each sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity,

a former mp, or someone who's had extremely interesting had an extremely interesting career to take a look at life after the job. talk highs , after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next the outside. now comes next on the outside. now my celebrity guest is known as a competitive swimmer and has competed in the olympics. he's also been a contestant on strictly come dancing. his best events include the 50m butterfly and 50m freestyle and he's also involved in charity work . so i'm involved in charity work. so i'm sure you've worked it out. now come on. our special guest will be here in just a moment then for the great british debate this hour , i'm asking is the this hour, i'm asking is the covid inquiry a waste of time with all these whatsapp messages? i mean, this week we've had explosive evidence, shocking revelations and plenty of fruity language , as well as of fruity language, as well as key figures claiming number 10 was indecision and was a centre of indecision and chaos. but hey , who didn't know chaos. but hey, who didn't know that? but are they actually asking the right questions around covid or is it all so westminster bubble self—obsessed? we'll be discussing that. and as ever you can get in touch email gb views.

gb com or tweet me at. gb gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. now, though, it's time for this week's outside where we talk highs and lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside. my special guest is known for competitive swimming and has represented this country in the olympics, the world championships and the commonwealth games. he became the fastest swimmer in the country by the age of 15, though i'm not surprised . he's very i'm not surprised. he's very tall. and he's considered tall. sorry and he's considered to be one of the most successful swimmers in britain. he's now 53, although he does not look that old, i can tell you that now won six world now he's won six world championships, commonwealth championships, two commonwealth titles and european titles titles and 11 european titles dunng titles and 11 european titles during his career. his best events as i said before, include 50m butterfly and 50m freestyle and following his swimming career, he made several celebrity guest appearances on various different programmes, one of which was strictly the weakest link through the keyhole. not only that , but he's keyhole. not only that, but he's remained in the spotlight. he's

also some also thrown himself into some charity work , i'm pleased to charity work, i'm pleased to say. i know you've guessed it. i'm joined by former olympic swimmer mark foster. hello, mark. hello. when you hear my agent, that was brilliant. i was going to say, you all going to say, when you hear all that, must god, i'm that, you must think, god, i'm good. fantastic . good. that was fantastic. >> well, it was a misspent youth. >> i kind of found something youth. >> ilzind of found something youth. >> ilzind of fouat, something youth. >> ilzind of fouat, and ething youth. >> ilzind of fouat, and ihing youth. >> ilzind of fouat, and i gotj that i was good at, and i got slightly obsessed by it. and that i was good at, and i got slighthatbsessed by it. and that i was good at, and i got slighthat to >ssed by it. and that i was good at, and i got slighthat to ledd by it. and that i was good at, and i got slighthat to led wantingind that i was good at, and i got slighthat to led wanting to then that to led wanting to represent my country at the olympic and had olympic games. and then i had the who got you the career i did who got you into though? the career i did who got you into itthough? the career i did who got you into it one gh? the career i did who got you into it one day somebody saw >> was it one day somebody saw how good you were or. >> swimming lessons >> i went for swimming lessons like everybody , because swimming >> i went for swimming lessons like liferybody , because swimming >> i went for swimming lessons like life skilly , because swimming >> i went for swimming lessons like life skill . , because swimming >> i went for swimming lessons like life skill . myecause swimming >> i went for swimming lessons like life skill . my father swimming is a life skill. my father couldn't swim, so he was determined and my sisters determined myself and my sisters would . and went to would learn. and i went down to the pool, was the local pool, which was warrior swimming in warrior square swimming pool in southend, longer southend, which is no longer there. park. know . there. it's a car park. i know. >> the time there >> fortunately at the time there was swimming was a pool there and my swimming teacher mrs. teacher was a lady called mrs. harker, and mrs. hardcastle was the mother of girl called the mother of a girl called sarah hardcastle, who went to the olympics in 1984 and won a silver and bronze medal . silver and bronze medal. >> so she basically had a good eye, me. i was eye, saw something in me. i was very , even though very competitive, even though i was five year olds learning

was like five year olds learning to swim always to get to swim and always wanted to get to swim and always wanted to get to first. and she to the other side first. and she said to me at the end of my course lessons course of my swimming lessons went, and join course of my swimming lessons werswimming and join course of my swimming lessons werswimming club? and join course of my swimming lessons werswimming club? andmd join course of my swimming lessons werswimming club? and that'sn the swimming club? and that's where it sort of started really well. >> but don't you ever think, oh, i hair wet, i don't want to get my hair wet, i don't want to get my hair wet, i want to, you know, like i don't want to get my hair wet, i bit want to, you know, like i don't want to get my hair wet, i bit ofnant to, you know, like i don't want to get my hair wet, i bit of ant to, you know, like i don't want to get my hair wet, i bit of a pain. you know, like i don't want to get my hair wet, i bit of a pain. ymean,w, like i don't want to get my hair wet, i bit of a pain. ymean, i've ke a bit of a pain. i mean, i've gone like, oh, god, gone off. i'm like, oh, god, take off. now, i think take me wig off. now, i think these things, you know, when you're of like, find you're kind of like, find something you something that you some that you enjoy, some that you feel very comfortable enjoy, some that you feel very conand able enjoy, some that you feel very conand for) enjoy, some that you feel very conand for me, i always say this >> and for me, i always say this to it's finding to people, it's about finding your fit in. your tribe somewhere you fit in. that's used love that's true. i used to love the swim sight, the swim club and the sight, the sound, of water. sound, the feel of the water. i just to it when i got just used to love it when i got in there, my head was under the water. it was of like a i'm water. it was kind of like a i'm going therapeutic. >> is actually. i mean, >> it is actually. i mean, swimming is very therapeutic. i'll i mean, i i'll say that. i mean, i love i do aqua and can swim now, do my aqua and i can swim now, even think even though i didn't think i could. i realised my could. and then i realised my mistake not breathing mistake was simply not breathing out was undennater. mistake was simply not breathing ouii'd was undennater. mistake was simply not breathing ouii'd my was undennater. mistake was simply not breathing ouii'd my breath. undennater. mistake was simply not breathing ouii'd my breath. so dennater. mistake was simply not breathing ouii'd my breath. so when ter. so i'd hold my breath. so when i came like that is came out, i just like that is the common thing people the most common thing people say to the breathing to me about the breathing thing. >> they really struggle it. >> they really struggle with it. and i know like and i kind of i know it's like anything understand anything when you understand it and obvious.

and it makes sense is obvious. but i will say to people, when and it makes sense is obvious. but i wbreathing people, when and it makes sense is obvious. but i wbreathing skills,, when and it makes sense is obvious. but i wbreathing skills, which you do breathing skills, which is breathing the air, blow bubbles because bubbles in the water, because obviously to do obviously what you meant to do is the air, the blow is breathe in the air, the blow out in the water, breathe the out in the water, breathe in the air, see a lot of air, because you see a lot of people going, and they people swimming, going, and they just by the end. just exhausted by the end. >> that's what it was . but >> yeah, that's what it was. but then that, i was then after i did that, i was able swim think it able to swim about i think it was 20 lengths of a 25 metre straightaway because i had a really stroke. i'd watched really nice stroke. i'd watched a lot, could only do 4—1, a lot, but i could only do 4—1, two, four and then two, three, four and then that was out of time. was it. and i was out of time. >> not in you >> you're not in fear, you switch off you it. oh, switch off and you enjoy it. oh, it's you? you don't it's great. don't you? you don't have to. i think at first when you're you're fear you're learning, you're in fear of you're in of something going. you're in fear in fear fear of whatever you're in fear of. you kind of of. and then when you kind of 9°! of. and then when you kind of go, i of this go, actually, i kind of got this a you let go. a bit, you just let go. >> was that an adult >> well, it was that an adult swimming and swimming thing, actually. and i found i found it. i shouldn't say. i found it. i shouldn't say. i found amusing, but found it quite amusing, but there were people who were scared the water, scared of going into the water, like adults. and you saw like grown adults. and you saw them and like, yeah, them going and it's like, yeah, but the but your feet will touch the bottom and it was hilarious. and i'm like, what's wrong with you? just climb in. your head is going to be. but they wouldn't going to be. but they wouldn't go i shouldn't go in the water. i shouldn't laugh, i did well,

laugh, but i did well, i wouldn't go in water after wouldn't go in the water after i watched yours. >> oh , yeah, no, i don't blame you. >> no. >> no. >> jaws came out in in the >> jaws came out in 1975, in the cinema, i can't remember cinema, but i can't remember when tv, but when i saw it on tv, but i remember watching that and i used along and look used to swim along and look at the grates at the bottom of the pool he's in there. pool and go, he's in there. and then when then i'm from southend. and when i is obviously i swam in, which is obviously the he used to look the thames, he used to look around water around the surface of the water and that, oh my and i could hear that, oh my god, no. weird. and it stuck with me. >> well, will you swim >> well, that will make you swim a but that wouldn't a bit faster, but that wouldn't be. wouldn't doing. be. i wouldn't be doing. that's what that what the secret was. that was it. it. what do you it. that was it. what do you think all sort of think about all this sort of trans so you've got trans thing? so you've got people leah thomas , who is people like leah thomas, who is a man, a biological man, swimming with the women who are biological women . do you think biological women. do you think that sport needs to have a real think about this ? think about this? >> i think it is from where it started to where we got. now, i'm not saying we are where we need to be. i look at try and look at a level playing field and i try. i think that women for years have struggled for the right vote. of all, i'm right to vote. first of all, i'm going obviously

going back years, but obviously now and look at trying to look now and i look at trying to look at as well. know if at fairness as well. i know if you take a biological man who's transitioned into a woman, they the your bone density , your your the your bone density, your your muscles, your strength , you've muscles, your strength, you've got a massive advantage . and i got a massive advantage. and i don't think it's fair. so i think if the way fonnard would be if a male category, biological , be if a male category, biological, male, female and then a trans category . then a trans category. >> yeah, that seems quite obvious. why do you think that they holding they sort of holding back on this? he was even this? because he was even sharing the toilets the sharing the toilets and the changing facilities with the women you remember women. so, you know, i remember i don't know whether it was riley gaines or one of them saying that. yeah we had to change biological change with a grown biological man, still man, with everything still intact same dressing room. >> i mean, i guess it was. well, when it first happened. leah thomas for argument's sake, because that's the first time i heard heard of it and you're taking someone that was 500 500th in america. yeah, 400, 500 yard freestyle. and the men transitioned and then won the women's and even had to pretend to slow down. >> you could see that he slowed down the end so that it

down at the end so that it didn't so bad. didn't look so bad. >> i because it was didn't look so bad. >> sorti because it was didn't look so bad. >> sort of because it was didn't look so bad. >> sort of firstjecause it was didn't look so bad. >> sort of first case, se it was didn't look so bad. >> sort of first case, it it was didn't look so bad. >> sort of first case, it was, is the sort of first case, it was, you it's like at you know, it's kind of like at the beginning with anything people don't do people don't say or don't do something and saying the something and fear of saying the wrong thing . and i kind get wrong thing. and i kind of get it. but at the same. and that's why i by having these why i think by having these conversations and by conversations happens and by people a people trying to work out a solution , we'll get there. but solution, we'll get there. but that's like the only thing we don't there like it don't get there like that. it doesn't happen away. doesn't happen straight away. >> me pretty >> well, to me that was pretty obvious. what obvious. i don't understand what took it's quite took them so long. it's quite straightfonnard, really. you can't that can't have somebody like that competing can't have somebody like that competirsport is about bodies, because sport is about bodies, isn't it's about bodies. isn't it? it's about bodies. and we and you put we compare bodies and you put people categories based on people in categories based on that. a so he that. and he's a man, so he shouldn't against shouldn't be going against the women. you also do a lot of women. but you also do a lot of charity and that charity work. and i know that anaphylaxis . why did you choose anaphylaxis. why did you choose that particular charity? why are you going that direction ? you going in that direction? >> wellchild for >> i work with wellchild for a number years, done number of years, and i've done a golf for wellchild for golf day for wellchild for terminally children and then the anaphylaxis campaign came around because people would get anaphylactic shock through nut allergies as bee stings . and a

allergies as bee stings. and a friend of mine, ross bailey, was training in bath in 19 nine. i was training with colin jackson at the time as well, and he basically he went to a sandwich shop with me to get a sandwich at lunch time and i eat anything and i'm a pig and i had a sandwich. and he went, oh, i'll have the same sandwich. now, i didn't know he had a nut allergy, but it was it was common knowledge, but i didn't know. ate know. but we sat down, ate the sandwich spat out sandwich and, and he spat out and there's there. and and there's nuts in there. and i went, oh. and he went, i've got a nut allergy. and went, oh, a nut allergy. and i went, oh, okay. and he goes, it's okay. i'll he his i'll be okay. and he took his ventolin went on for ventolin and this went on for about 15, 20 minutes. he kept coughing, and went, about 15, 20 minutes. he kept cougokay. and went, about 15, 20 minutes. he kept cougokay. and and went, about 15, 20 minutes. he kept cougokay. and he and went, about 15, 20 minutes. he kept cougokay. and he went,d went, about 15, 20 minutes. he kept cougokay. and he went, i'mnent, about 15, 20 minutes. he kept cougokay. and he went, i'm okay. you okay. and he went, i'm okay. it'll be gone in a minute. and he very, very sure he it'll be gone in a minute. and he going y, very sure he it'll be gone in a minute. and he going to very sure he it'll be gone in a minute. and he going to bey sure he it'll be gone in a minute. and he going to be okay. he it'll be gone in a minute. and he going to be okay. had an was going to be okay. he had an epipen, but that was at home and it to the point. kept it got to the point. i kept going, you're going red in going, look, you're going red in the sure you're going, look, you're going red in the right? sure you're going, look, you're going red in the right? and sure you're going, look, you're going red in theright? and i sure you're going, look, you're going red in the right? and i didn't you're he all right? and i didn't think he didn't me out, but didn't want to put me out, but then eventually he think then eventually he i think it triggered he went, triggered in him and he went, hang normally hang on, this is normally subside and away. subside by now and gone away. and normally okay. and and i'm normally okay. and i drove him and rushed him up to

the hospital and they gave him injections and basically it was too late . they put him into a too late. they put him into a induced coma and he died sort of a couple of days later . so my a couple of days later. so my thing i'd taken someone that thing was i'd taken someone that ihave thing was i'd taken someone that i have very, very close friend , i have very, very close friend, someone that was incredibly fit and he was going to be the next colin jackson in hurdle sprint world hurdle hurdling and some so small that could take someone out. and i was petrified . out. and i was petrified. >> frightened and so what are you sort of focusing on now then ? >> what do i focus on now 7 >> what do i focus on now ? i ? >> what do i focus on now ? i do >> what do i focus on now? i do a lot of public speaking, sort of inspirational stuff. i mean, i do a lot of prize givings with kids is going to a lot of public sector or private private companies and try and i don't know, i say i try and get people to think a little bit differently. and i think the thing is one thing that sport teaches do i don't teaches you that you do i don't believe if you think of believe in if you think of the word fail from action, i learn you get result, you do something, get a result, learn from it. go again, go again. go again. don't get stuck on the failed don't on the oh, i failed and don't do it one of the

it again. and that's one of the things very early age, things from a very early age, from the age of six, that i got up there and i did a race. i saw the and went, okay, the board and i went, okay, i want faster. and it didn't want to go faster. and it didn't always to plan. i got it more always go to plan. i got it more wrong than right. and that wrong than i did right. and that was big lessons. was one of my big, big lessons. get up and go again and up get up and go again and get up and again because you're and go again because as you're trying perfection, trying to create perfection, but perfection but perfection never happens. but you keep trying to get perfect. >> yeah, keep for >> yeah, keep trying for perfection. i obviously don't need try . need to try. >> good ending. >> good ending. >> mark foster , thank you very >> mark foster, thank you very much for coming. thanks for having me. that is, of course, the foster the brilliant mark foster olympic swimmer, had fabulous personal round and he was my outside guest . right. we'll stay outside guest. right. we'll stay with me. just coming up to with me. he's just coming up to 17 minutes after 5:00. i've got an explosive minute debate on the way about whether we should ban selling of firework use. ban the selling of firework use. but up next, it's time for the great british debate. and i'm asking, is the covid inquiry a waste time .

michael portillo gb news britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to 21 minutes after 5:00. if you've just tuned in. welcome on board. i'm nana akua . welcome on board. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. don't forget, you can also stream the show live on youtube. it's time, though, now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is the covid inquiry a waste of time? now, this week, we've heard explosive evidence, shocking revelations and plenty of fruity language , as well as

of fruity language, as well as key figures claiming number 10 was centre of indecision and was the centre of indecision and chaos. oh, surprise, surprise . chaos. oh, surprise, surprise. and who knew a former head of the nhs, england asserted that the nhs, england asserted that the health secretary, matt hancock , wanted to decide who hancock, wanted to decide who should live or die and if the nhs was ovennhelmed and override the guidance of medical professionals . dominic the guidance of medical professionals. dominic cummings didn't pull any punches, calling the cabinet office completely dysfunctional and claiming that bofis dysfunctional and claiming that boris johnson was distracted by his personal life and with with an expected cost of over £100 million for the inquiry. yeah are they asking the right questions and will it actually solve anything ? so if the great solve anything? so if the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is the covid quarry actually a waste of time? i'm joined now by peter spencer, former political correspondent stephen pound, former labour mp , stephen pound, former labour mp, and lois perry, political commentator . peter, and lois perry, political commentator. peter, right. i'm going to start with you, lois perry. you're in the studio. go for it. >> well, i mean, it's not a waste of time. it's a complete dereliction of they're dereliction of duty. they're deliberately avoiding all the

actual real questions that should be asked, like, for example , why was there never any example, why was there never any cost benefit analysis done of the impact of lockdowns? were masks , mandates ever masks, mandates ever scientifically proven ? what were scientifically proven? what were the lessons learned from sweden where they never followed any of this advice whatsoever? and actually ended up with the lowest high, lowest excess death rate in europe. >> but with with sweden probably don't have such an obesity crisis in this country. in their country. they do. they so i think you need to take some of these things into account. >> have to >> well, absolutely. you have to take account. take everything into account. but not but the thing is, they're not taking into account now. no, taking it into account now. no, because they're asking those because they're not asking those particular because they're not asking those pari mattr because they're not asking those pari matt hancock got got matt hancock who's got immunity prosecution. immunity from prosecution. i mean, need to have mean, why would you need to have immunity from prosecution if you had hide? the whole had nothing to hide? the whole thing seems to be way of thing seems to be a way of making the conservative party look admittedly look disunited, which admittedly is not hard, having a go at is not hard, and having a go at bofis is not hard, and having a go at boris johnson, who seems to be a sacrifice lamb from whole sacrifice lamb from this whole thing , it's a whitewash. thing, it's a whitewash. >> well, let's go to peter

spencen >> well, let's go to peter spencer. peter there's been a great deal of blame game going on, of course, and a great deal of emphasis on the beanie hatted fashionista . fashionista. >> i think you know who i'm talking about, the guy who fell out with boris somewhat when he's colourful language . but he's a colourful language. but behind all that , there is the behind all that, there is the reality that that the british government along with every other government in the world, was faced with a crisis of extra ordinary proportions, a pandemic which rivalled the spanish flu epidemic which killed more people than world war i. so it's not to be wondered at that. the british government, along with all the rest , was in a complete. all the rest, was in a complete. harry tate . however, what i harry tate. however, what i think matters out of all this is the way fonnard. now there seems to be something like a consensus among scientists that it's not a matter of if, but when we get another pandemic of this nature , another pandemic of this nature, what what needs to be addressed and what we hope will come out of the inquiry will be a

serious, rigorous look at the structures of government. the lines of communication and the methods of responding to things to make sure we don't get it quite so wrong next time. >> but we all want that. but but they seem to be asking they don't seem to be asking those questions. i mean i haven't really heard anything of that nature. stephen pound it's always easier in life to find a scapegoat than it is to find a solution, and i think the problem we've got here is that we're on we're concentrating on individuals and individuals malfeasance and of malfeasance and some of the frankly, foul behaviour, let alone language . alone the language. >> and we're not actually looking the structure that looking at the structure that let us down this country. i'm let us down in this country. i'm very the swedish very attracted by the swedish model had an analysis model where they had an analysis within three months. it came in on time, on budget and it came up with a list of possible and probable conclusions. i sat in on the southern inquiry into sunday that lasted for 12 years. ihave sunday that lasted for 12 years. i have a horrible feeling that we could end up with an inquiry into the inquiry , into the covid into the inquiry, into the covid inquiry , the inquiry, but it's inquiry, the inquiry, but it's like lifting, lifting a manhole

cover and looking into the sewer, to be honest. look, the reality is nana we knew that these people weren't functioning at the complete heights of probity. what are we actually gaining from this? we're wasting a lot of money, but the ultimate thing failure of thing is it's the failure of politicians who say politicians who always say something done . let's something must be done. let's have let's have an have an inquiry. let's have an inquiry translates perfectly simply into the following words. let's kick it into the long grass . grass. >> i think it translates into the words . lessons will be the words. lessons will be learned, which was the word £100 million later. you say that, but it was £100 million. that's what they're spending on it. lois. no, i know. >> unbelievable . but i >> it's unbelievable. but i mean, has taken so mean, it's. why has it taken so long for an inquiry to happen when say, other when, as you say, the other countries have had their inquiries done and dusted? it's politically for politically expedient for somebody or something or some sort of ideology for it to be dragging out or to be happening now. but who who's benefiting from making the conservative party look ridiculous and

disunited and all of that stuff? i mean, it wasn't it our government that actually called the inquiry. it's. yeah it's pretty crazy, to be honest . yeah. >> peter, what do you think it should? are you feeling that we're getting a sense of real questions being answered or do you feel that they are literally wasting our money and time ? wasting our money and time? >> the inquiry is a long way from finished yet . i mean, i from finished yet. i mean, i entirely take steven's point about the lessons must be learned. let us hope at very least some element of this inquiry when it finally reports will indeed reveal the answer to some of those lessons and actually provide solutions. but next time round . next time round. >> but when will they get round to asking those questions? steven because i'm waiting . and steven because i'm waiting. and so far it's some swearing from dominic cummings. it's a lot of swearing, some insults about boris. it's got you know, it's just like , when are they going just like, when are they going to be asking about that? because it's been going on for a while

now. we haven't got to. it yet. >> when i mentioned the sunday inquiry, i mean, after we did ten years of sunday, we had ten years of the sunday, we had to then reconvene because a witness witness who couldn't give evidence early on decided to give evidence . to give evidence. >> could go on forever and >> this could go on forever and ever could on into the ever and it could go on into the middle next pandemic middle of the next pandemic for all know. look, all we know. but look, the question we question is, what have we learned far? learned learned so far? we've learned that, of the that, you know, some of the people lower people use industrial lower decks, know that decks, language. we know that the place was dysfunctional. we know helen macnamara was an know that helen macnamara was an absolute should absolute genius who should have been of whole been put in charge of the whole civil service. if nana akua wouldn't job. you know, wouldn't take the job. you know, we've very we've learnt very, very, very little about it. but the really thing that worries me is that the reputation the civil the reputation of the civil service which once had the reputation of being the smooth running rolls—royce administration, the place that ran the world, is looking ran the world, is now looking utterly and totally dysfunctional. the mps it's a fairly low bar. let's be honest. but the mps are looking pretty risible at best. so all we've doneis risible at best. so all we've done is we've washed our dirty laundry in public. we've made ourselves look stupid in the eyes world and frankly, i eyes of the world and frankly, i

think the sooner we take this outside, shoot it the back of outside, shoot it in the back of the in the head and bury it in an unmarked the better. unmarked grave, the better. >> that i think >> can i just say that i think the compulsory vaccination the only compulsory vaccination that have is against that i'd ever have is against inquiries themselves selves. >> final word . you, peter >> final word. you, peter spencer . you get the last word. peter >> i want stephen to be wrong . i >> i want stephen to be wrong. i want something to come out of this. so do i. be a restructuring? yeah. yeah. but maybe restructure , bring the maybe restructure, bring the civil service, maybe we used to have sir humphrey and then we had that rather more noisy fellow in the thick of it . fellow in the thick of it. >> malcolm tucker. >> malcolm tucker. >> that's got a little bit of that, commands a little bit of respect and actually functions properly. that would help . properly. that would help. >> well, listen, so i'll ask you each individually. stephen pound then. so is the covid inquiry, is it a waste of time? total peter spencer or is it a waste of time? no no. and lois berry it's an omnishambles so it is a waste of time . thank you very

waste of time. thank you very much . former correspondent much. former correspondent stephen pound, former labour mp and lois perry, political commentator. thank you very much for your thoughts. well, listen, lots of you getting in touch. we've been talking about lots of things afternoon. of things this afternoon. one of them talking about the them we were talking about the march. i think it's march. eileen says, i think it's abhorrent that there should be any march by palestinian sympathisers . it sympathisers next weekend. it should been okayed by should never have been okayed by whoever in charge. roger says whoever is in charge. roger says all these marches should be banned. remembrance parade banned. now remembrance parade is memorial service, is a national memorial service, and a memorial service is the same a funeral you same as a funeral service. you don't the right to protest don't have the right to protest at memorial services or a funeral service, aslef says . i funeral service, aslef says. i don't know it states that don't know where it states that our gave their lives and our heroes gave their lives and made great sacrifices for free speech. democracy means choice and our government's representatives speak for and protect the people. well thank you for those thoughts. keep them coming. he's just coming up to 5:30. you're with me. i'm nana this is gb on nana akua. this is a gb news on tv, on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. coming we'll our coming up, we'll continue our great debate this hour. great british debate this hour. and asking, the covid and i'm asking, is the covid inquiry a waste of time? you'll

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nana live on tv, nana akua. we're live on tv, onune nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time, though, for the great british debate hour. and british debate this hour. and i'm the covid inquiry i'm asking, is the covid inquiry a time this week? we've a waste of time this week? we've heard loads explosive heard loads of explosive evidence, shocking revelations and language. we literally cannot repeat on here. othennise we'd be shut down. key figures claimed at number 10 was a centre of indecision and chaos. but i don't know why anybody thought that was the confusion. that's pretty obvious. whilst the former head of nhs england asserted the health asserted that the health secretary, matt hancock , wanted secretary, matt hancock, wanted to decide who should live or die, i mean, look at him honestly . dominic cummings honestly. dominic cummings called the cabinet office completely dysfunctional and accused boris johnson of being distracted by his personal life. i mean, i'm not surprised he'd just married. he just had just got married. he just had a baby wouldn't baby who wouldn't be who wouldn't? cost of over wouldn't? expected cost of over £100 it's the inquiry £100 million. it's the inquiry asking the right questions and will it actually solve anything? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is the covid inquiry actually turning out be a waste of time? well,

out to be a waste of time? well, let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by author and broadcaster hamilton broadcaster christine hamilton and labour party and also former labour party adviser lhasa, matthew adviser matthew lhasa, matthew laza the covid inquiry. >> so i think it is in danger of becoming obsessed with the politics. look, for people politics. now, look, for people like supporters, like me, labour supporters, it's entertaining the dirty entertaining to see the dirty washing tory government washing of the tory government in public and i think there are certain revelations that are important. but i think the i thought the covid inquiry was there to do was to find out what we did right, what we did wrong, and what we should do and crucially what we should do next time . because let us next time. because let us remember, we hope there isn't next time. because let us rementozr, we hope there isn't next time. because let us remento be we hope there isn't next time. because let us remento be a�* hope there isn't next time. because let us remento be a similar1ere isn't next time. because let us remento be a similar pandemic, going to be a similar pandemic, but we literally don't ever know. nature of the know. that's the nature of the beast we need to beast and therefore we need to know, you know, during the pandemic , most people on my side pandemic, most people on my side were in of locking down were in favour of locking down more. i was a bit more cautious. i what colleague, i looked at what my colleague, the colleagues in social democrat colleagues in sweden, where of work with where i do a lot of work with them. were taking you them. they were taking a you know, blended know, a more blended approach. i'd whether i'd like to know whether we should that. so, yes, should have done that. so, yes, okay. a bit of theatre, a bit of a embarrassing. boris a bit of embarrassing. boris but actually for the hundreds

hundred million, or at least it will way more than that by will cost way more than that by the finished. let's the time it's finished. let's hope we a little more hope that we get a little more detail we should do detail about what we should do next detail about what we should do nex christine say, >> christine well, as you say, using words that you can't broadcast is words that most people use. broadcast is words that most peo full use. broadcast is words that most peo full stop. use. broadcast is words that most peo full stop. ise. broadcast is words that most peofull stop. i mean, it was >> full stop. i mean, it was been absolutely horrendous . all been absolutely horrendous. all it's dominic cummings it's been is dominic cummings getting off his chest, what he feels about boris and carrie. et cetera. do we need to know that? no. >> we already knew it. >> we already knew it. >> already knew very >> we already knew it very entertaining. for. for. for. for matthew and his cronies on the left . sorry, not cronies. oh, okay. >> colleagues, comrades. comrades. cronies >> comrades. fine. all right. but no, a complete waste of time. i mean, the sunday inquiry. yeah, that is what it's called , by the way, in case called, by the way, in case anybody thinks i'm swearing. no, no, no. known as the sunday inquiry £190 million. inquiry cost £190 million. it went on for 20 now, went on for 20 years. now, hopefully this won't what we need know exactly is what hopefully this won't what we need touched xactly is what hopefully this won't what we need touched upon. is what hopefully this won't what we need touched upon. for/hat hopefully this won't what we need touched upon. for example you've touched upon. for example . well, most people, included . well, most people, me included , thought that the first lockdown was is right, not lockdown was was is right, not the second lockdown, etcetera . the second lockdown, etcetera. sweden went on not to lockdown

and we buckled under the pressure and the strain with all the ensuing problems . but no, we the ensuing problems. but no, we need to get on to the nitty gritty about whether we took the right decisions, not necessarily and how the decisions were taken and how the decisions were taken and how the decisions were taken and how the decisions were taken, not who called what, who and that the and all this, that and the other. it's been other. i mean, it's just been a you could have dismissed you could have kind of dismissed that hour, say. that in an hour, i have to say. >> i mean, politics is a robust game, i mean i mean, not game, but i mean i mean, i'm not just trying holier than just trying to be holier than thou. i didn't thou. you know, i didn't see language when you language like that when i you know, for the opposition. >> and occasionally you >> and occasionally well, you weren't cummings. >> so it's >> no. absolute so far it's been obsessed you imagine obsessed with can you imagine him as a boss? >> utterly obsessed trivia. >> utterly obsessed with trivia. and to on the meat. and let's get to on the meat. othennise the othennise it's not worth the money. because there are so money. well because there are so many. there money. well because there are so ma|so there money. well because there are so ma|so many there money. well because there are so ma|so many lawyers there money. well because there are so ma|so many lawyers involved.e are so many lawyers involved. everybody's are so many lawyers involved. everyboinow. i don't if lawyers now. i don't mind if they their they are paying for their lawyers, number lawyers, but the number of lawyers, but the number of lawyers there lawyers who were there that we're think we're we're paying, i think we're paying we're paying, i think we're paying of them. >> the taxpayer is paying for pretty much everybody. >> think, pretty much everybody. >> if think, pretty much everybody. >> if they think, pretty much everybody. >> if they were think, pretty much everybody. >> if they were in think, pretty much everybody. >> if they were in government for if they were in government service time, i would service at the time, i would assume it assume you'd get because it relates service. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> oh yes. if they were employed by time.

by the government at the time. but there are people coming from outside. some those, were, >> some of those, if they were, it's this thing called a designated. i've forgotten the phrase, designated. i've forgotten the phrasyou your legal fees then you do get your legal fees paid. will be paid. the lawyers will be absolutely all absolutely laughing gravy all the bank. it's the the way to the bank. it's the biggest always it always biggest joy has always it always is but i'm really i mean, is to. but i'm really i mean, look, i want an inquiry that is going honest. going to be completely honest. and , we're talking and again, we're talking about tribes doesn't take tribes earlier. it doesn't take a right on one a everything was right on one side. was right on side. everything was right on the it says what we the other. but it says what we should mean, should have done. i mean, actually, these things actually, some of these things are like the are really interesting. like the fact itself is fact that number 10 itself is not use in not suitable for use in a national because it's not suitable for use in a n.littlel because it's not suitable for use in a n.little georgian because it's not suitable for use in a n.little georgian house:ause it's not suitable for use in a n.little georgian house with it's not suitable for use in a n.littl(rooms.ian house with it's not suitable for use in a n.littl(rooms.ian hactually,| it's pokey rooms. and actually, should minute pokey rooms. and actually, shoulwas minute pokey rooms. and actually, shoulwas a minute pokey rooms. and actually, shoulwas a crisis, minute pokey rooms. and actually, shoulwas a crisis, shouldninute pokey rooms. and actually, shoulwas a crisis, should they .e there was a crisis, should they all go to somewhere where they can at each other, can actually look at each other, talk, rooms like talk, have meeting rooms like a normal talk, have meeting rooms like a norm rather than the whatsapps? talk, have meeting rooms like a norwell,ier than the whatsapps? talk, have meeting rooms like a nor well,ie mean, the whatsapps? talk, have meeting rooms like a norwell,ie mean, look,1atsapps? talk, have meeting rooms like a norwell,ie mean, look, thisrpps? talk, have meeting rooms like a norwell,ie mean, look, this isys? >> well, i mean, look, this is this thing. so joe this is one thing. so joe johnson's director of johnson's former director of communications sent communications, lee cain, sent a message cummings in early 22, message to cummings in early 22, claiming that prime minister claiming that the prime minister doesn't a big doesn't think covid is a big deal doesn't deal and he doesn't think anything his anything can be done. and his focus is elsewhere. mean, this focus is elsewhere. i mean, this is of stuff that we is the sort of stuff that we have going on in this thing. i mean, what the hell? cares? have going on in this thing. i nmean,ihat the hell? cares? have going on in this thing. i nmean, that'se hell? cares? have going on in this thing. i nmean, that's notell? cares? have going on in this thing. i nmean, that's not that's cares? have going on in this thing. i nmean, that's not that's notares? i mean, that's not that's not what we want to hear. i want to

hean what we want to hear. i want to hear, you know, did we exactly. the things that you asked christine, but also things about the vaccine and stuff like that. i hear that. i want to hear that. >> well, we've all enjoyed it some more than others. the sort of humiliation of public public humiliation of boris, , which i think boris, etcetera, which i think most people enjoy. what this has been. be honest, been. but let's be honest, boris is there the is not going to be there the next happens. so next time it happens. so certainly personal mistakes certainly the personal mistakes that made don't that he made really don't matter. exactly is matter. what matters exactly is the of institutional the sort of institutional mistakes that were made because anybody my anybody coming into power, my life about life, if they're thinking about coming hoping coming into, you know, hoping to come know come into power, want to know even not a pandemic, even if it's not a pandemic, what the next crisis is, the lessons in crisis management that can learned, whatever that can be learned, whatever the policy is. the policy challenge is. >> know in >> because as we know in politics, it's icebergs that politics, it's the icebergs that get . get you. >> the whole inquiry needs to basically grow up start basically grow up and start talking let's meet . talking about, well, let's meet. >> on for >> it's been going on for a while, will this been while, though. will this been going while and it's going on for a while and it's going on for a while and it's going spend million. how going to spend 100 million. how much is unit two and much more this is unit two and the units the initial the six units in the initial inquiry this is inquiry take it anymore. this is unit inquiry take it anymore. this is uni'it's time to stop. >> it's time to stop. >> it's time to stop. >> it's time to stop. it shouldn't needs shouldn't be six units. it needs to it. but listen, to get on with it. but listen, this without

this show's nothing without you and let's welcome this show's nothing without you and of let's welcome this show's nothing without you and of our let's welcome this show's nothing without you and of our greatt's welcome this show's nothing without you and of our great british :ome this show's nothing without you and of our great british voices some of our great british voices their the their opportunity to be on the show what they think show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. of discussing. i've got four of you. . i'm going to you. yes, right. i'm going to start with you, balm start with you, david balm in watford. inquiry er. watford. the covid inquiry er. right. we're on unit two. right. so we're on unit two. there's six units to go. dave david are they, are they wasting our time ? our time? >> totally. i mean ultimately all you need to understand is what was the cause , what were what was the cause, what were they doing apart from running around like headless chickens? why were they so enamoured with scientists about closing everything down without actually working out the initial cost? businesses were wiped out, not through covid or people having covid, but because they couldn't train. nobody seemed to work that. train. nobody seemed to work that . so for future reference , that. so for future reference, what was the cause? what was happened with their decisions and how do we avoid it in the future . so i could wrap it up. future. so i could wrap it up. they won't pay me 100 million. i'll wrap it up for them. i'd be very happy to . we'll we'll all do. >> yeah, i'll do. i'll. i'll do it.just >> yeah, i'll do. i'll. i'll do it. just throw a million at

adrian jowell . you're from adrian jowell. you're from shropshire . welcome. lovely to shropshire. welcome. lovely to have a newbie . have a newbie. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much . no, >> thank you very much. no, thank you very much for having me on. but yeah, i mean , it's me on. but yeah, i mean, it's notjust me on. but yeah, i mean, it's not just a waste of time . it's not just a waste of time. it's an absolutely fantastic caustic waste of waste of money and what is it actually going to produce at the end of it? >> nothing that we don't already know as well, or that we don't already know other than the only thing it's which it's proving to be so already is it's a further whipping tool to whip the likes of boris johnson and matt hancock it etcetera . this was hancock it etcetera. this was a pandemic that came , we now know pandemic that came, we now know from wuhan , possibly more from wuhan, possibly more manufactured and it escaped. >> but the world did not know at

the time how it was, how it was going to manifest. the nearest thing that they had to look at was spanish flu and how that spread across the globe. at the end of the first world war. >> so the devastating effects that that had so with with that in mind, the government had nothing else to look back on and had to put various things in place, including lockdown , which place, including lockdown, which okay, you can look back at now and but the bottom line is but the bottom line is but the bottom line is we want to know how effective these things were and whether they did the right thing, what's a whatsapp. thing, not what's on a whatsapp. >> thank you for that. go >> thank you for that. let's go to there to amanda hindley, who's there in amanda oh, hi, nana in kent. amanda oh, hi, nana i find it all a bit embarrassing , find it all a bit embarrassing, to be honest. >> they're faffing around again and their focusing not on analysing the data so we can prevent this from happening again. but on the salacious gossip that is on the whatsapp group and who's called who a bad word . and these are our word. and these are our government . this is our

government. this is our government. this is our government here. and they are just focusing this tit for just focusing on this tit for tat . and what just focusing on this tit for tat. and what a just focusing on this tit for tat . and what a way of just focusing on this tit for tat. and what a way of honouring the people that were lost during this . surely there's better ways this. surely there's better ways of honouring their name than this pathetic boys club . again, this pathetic boys club. again, who called who a bad word? >> yeah, it feels like back at school. lastly, let's have a chat with philip hoy. he's there in hertfordshire for philip. what do you think ? what do you think? >> hi, nana. >> hi, nana. >> great to be with you. >> great to be with you. >> um, well, i think the inquiry is completely wrong actually for all reasons or right all the wrong reasons or right reasons . reasons. >> think people have >> i don't think people have died. there's nothing we can do about it. very sad . uh, lots and about it. very sad. uh, lots and lots of mistakes were made , but lots of mistakes were made, but we were facing something we've never faced before. what never faced before. but what nobody seems to be addressing is. tell me , why were all the is. tell me, why were all the ppe contracts given to people who had no idea what ppe was ? who had no idea what ppe was? they spent millions and millions and they had no experience to do it . and secondly, and this is my it. and secondly, and this is my big bugbear, lots and lots of

companies were formed overnight by corrupt accountants and i'm sorry, i will say that and i have some knowledge of that . have some knowledge of that. yeah, you could get a three year trading history straight away and immediately apply for a loan, apply for you know, the benefits and then go and then go bust two weeks later with your £20,000. that happened time and time again . we lost billions. no time again. we lost billions. no b is doing an inquiry into that now. >> well, that's the first thing you should do. >> well, this is what we want them to be doing, not being so self—obsessed on self—obsessed and focusing on themselves . so i'm to ask themselves. so i'm going to ask you each , is it a of time? you each, is it a waste of time? i know what you're going i think i know what you're going to start with to say. i'm going to start with you, it a waste you, david. is it a waste of time? or no? yes. okay time? yes or no? yes. okay adrian in shropshire, a waste of time. yes or no? >> oh, total, absolute. >> oh, total, absolute. >> total . >> total. >> total. >> amanda in kent, yes or no? waste of time . waste of time. >> 100. yes. >> 100. yes. >> and philip finally in hertfordshire. yes or no? waste of time . of time. >> a very expensive waste of

time. >> yeah, yeah. very expensive. waste of time. thank you so much. my brilliant, great british voice. thank you so much . yeah. thank you. brilliant. thank that's my great thank you. that's my great vision for something great. right? move on to another right? let's move on to another story eye today. story that caught my eye today. tonight, bonfire tonight, of course, is bonfire night, an occasion which is transformed a political transformed from a political event celebrated event to a widely celebrated annual commemoration. more annual commemoration. but more recently, there's been growing awareness , the impact of awareness, the impact of fireworks on animals, war veterans and those with autism. due to the loud noise . some due to the loud noise. some people them. some people people love them. some people hate them. they be hate them. but should they be tougher restrictions since they're pretty much, well, the little rockets, aren't they really? let's see what my panel make i'm joined by make of that. i'm joined by matthew lanza and christine hamilton. fireworks. hamilton. christine fireworks. is sort ban them hamilton. christine fireworks. is a sort ban them hamilton. christine fireworks. is a way sort ban them hamilton. christine fireworks. is a way to sort ban them hamilton. christine fireworks. is a way to sale ban them hamilton. christine fireworks. is a way to sale for ban them hamilton. christine fireworks. is a way to sale for private�*m in a way to sale for private people and you because people like me and you because anyone can buy them? >> i don't think mean, >> no, i don't think so. i mean, honestly, the nanny state honestly, it's the nanny state gone mean, of course, if gone mad. i mean, of course, if you after you have a pet, you look after it, keep it, etcetera. you it, you keep it, etcetera. you make sure it's going to be okay. but so. it's but no, i don't think so. it's one great traditions. one of our great traditions. i mean, fawkes was a sort of mean, guy fawkes was a sort of 17th century terrorist. all the

word hadn't been invented by then. >> and had the bbc have called him , though? that's >> and had the bbc have called himquestion. , though? that's the question. >> they wouldn't >> well, they wouldn't not. no. he'd catholic . he'd have been a catholic. whatever. know how how whatever. but you know how how do you succeeded? it would have been twin towers been a sort of twin towers thing. it would have been simpler. whole of simpler. we seismic the whole of our changed. simpler. we seismic the whole of our it's changed. simpler. we seismic the whole of our it's something changed. simpler. we seismic the whole of our it's something that nged. simpler. we seismic the whole of our it's something that we've and so it's something that we've always celebrated. it's part of our tradition. yes, control our tradition. and yes, control them, etcetera. but no, i certainly think should certainly don't think you should ban ludicrous. certainly don't think you should bar ban ludicrous. certainly don't think you should bar ban t0idicrous. certainly don't think you should barban to private sale, at >> ban them to private sale, at least yes, i think for least i think. yes, i think for private sale and actually because in a lot of places they're abused. >> saw that at the protest >> we saw that at the protest where thrown at the where they'd been thrown at the police. them police. but people throw them in anti—social love anti—social behaviour. i love guy i don't like guy fawkes night. i don't like halloween. american guy fawkes night. i don't like hallowe guy american guy fawkes night. i don't like hallowe guy night'ican guy fawkes night. i don't like hallowe guy night ism guy fawkes night. i don't like hallowe guy night is a import. guy fawkes night is a british should british tradition. we should celebrate have celebrate it. we should have organised in organised celebrations. but in terms of fireworks in the back garden. fireworks in garden. no. yeah. fireworks in the yes. organised the park? yes. organised proper displays . displays. >> so you loved fireworks in the back garden? oh, terrible sparklers. there's always somebody blinded. sparklers. there's always sonsomebody blinded. sparklers. there's always son somebody gets|ded. sparklers. there's always sonsomebody gets burnt, >> somebody who gets burnt, somebody whose changed somebody whose life has changed forever because forever in a bad way because people get killed by motor cars or not same percentage by

>> not in the same percentage by motor but you don't have motor cars, but you don't have to thing is totally to the firework thing is totally an organised display is fine, isn't it? >> but there a rules in >> but when there is a rules in place they're professionals, place and they're professionals, sparklers place and they're professionals, spa deadly sparklers, sparklers. are deadly sparklers, sparklers. >> . >> look at this. >> look at this. >> i'm never doing that typing . >> i'm never doing that typing. you're typing your initials? >> choice. you no, >> no choice. you are. no, no, i never thought nana would be a i value my eyes that rhymed. >> i'm getting you back. nana the banner. >> yeah. >> banner. yeah. yeah >> banner. yeah. yeah >> you back . >> i've got you back. >> i've got you back. >> right, though it's now time for sunday. this is for supplements sunday. this is the show the part of the show where i discuss the news stories discuss some of the news stories that let's start that caught my eye. let's start with which with matthew supplement, which is intermission. absolutely. >> so look , this is i'm this is >> so look, this is i'm this is a good story. so this a good news story. so this film has out killers of the has come out killers of the flower moon, which i think is three hours 15 minutes and three hours and 15 minutes and view chain are trying view the cinema chain are trying trialling screenings where you get an intermission in the middle. this a good middle. now i am this is a good reason because i'm getting reason only because i'm getting older need little older and we all need a little break in the middle of advancing years. , i'm going to years. but my mum, i'm going to tell to stretch legs . tell you to stretch your legs. >> absolutely. tell you to stretch your legs. >> abso legs, �*. tell you to stretch your legs. >> abso legs, actually. i'm >> your legs, actually. but i'm to remember. i mean, you to going remember. i mean, you know, to have the know, when you used to have the usherette used to like at the

theatre down the aisle, my theatre came down the aisle, my mum usherette a cinema theatre came down the aisle, my murrthe usherette a cinema theatre came down the aisle, my murrthe creams�*tte a cinema theatre came down the aisle, my murrthe creams and a cinema theatre came down the aisle, my murrthe creams and the cinema with the ice creams and the strawberry and and with the ice creams and the stra orange, and and with the ice creams and the stra orange, the and and with the ice creams and the stra orange, the cartons and with the ice creams and the stra orange, the cartons of and the orange, the cartons of orange . but she got orange squash. but she got sacked one night because orange squash. but she got sackdanced one night because orange squash. but she got sackdanced in ne night because orange squash. but she got sackdanced in the ight because orange squash. but she got sackdanced in the aisleszcause orange squash. but she got sackdanced in the aisles during she danced in the aisles during the said that was the film and they said that was inappropriate. she got she the film and they said that was inajsacked.:e. she got she the film and they said that was inajsacked. she she got she the film and they said that was inajsacked. she only got she the film and they said that was inajsacked. she only did. she the film and they said that was inajsacked. she only did 1—1) got sacked. she only did 1—1 screening her screening before they sacked her for . when, you know, i, for dancing. when, you know, i, i never found that out. and she's not here to ask. but that's a very good question. but anyway, doing anyway, they're doing it. >> doing they >> they're only doing it so they can money in the brave. can make money in the brave. >> they sell >> absolutely. they can sell more come a film that's >> oh, come on. a film that's over three hours, three hours and 15 minutes. >> it is. yeah. well, >> i think it is. yeah. well, you need a break, but. but they're it. they they're doing it. if they weren't, if they were told they'll if they. they'll lose money if they. >> but i always take my own in. i can carbonated beverage. >> you take your >> but do you take your carbonate. well that's yeah. i know toilet christine, know it's the toilet christine, your supplement, please. >> is totally the >> my supplement is totally the opposite of scale . i was opposite end of the scale. i was so when i saw that at so appalled when i saw that at chafing so appalled when i saw that at charing cross station . charing cross station. protesters surrounded . the protesters surrounded. the british legion. poppy sellers. you know, these good, honest d.c. upstanding members of

society give up their time society who give up their time to this time to sell poppies at this time of the and chanting to sell poppies at this time of tishame and chanting to sell poppies at this time of tishame aryou chanting to sell poppies at this time of tishame aryou a chanting to sell poppies at this time of tishame aryou a younginting to sell poppies at this time of tishame aryou a young child , shame at you on a young child who was leaving mcdonald's, launching at the launching fireworks at the police. but to surround the british legion poppy sellers with hate. i just weren't they can i just say, weren't they dignified? >> absolute heroes? they kept their calm. course they just their calm. of course they just and were they their calm. of course they just and a were they their calm. of course they just and a british are they their calm. of course they just and a british spirit.y showed a true british spirit. but to me, it shows it shows where they're coming from in their hearts . their hearts. >> they could that to those >> they could do that to those p°ppy >> they could do that to those peppy of >> they could do that to those poppy of course, it >> i mean, and of course, it does does the cause no does the it does the cause no good, good all. and gets good, no good at all. and gets people's backs up. >> some reports >> well, there were some reports that they sort of that said that they were sort of rolling nicely rolling along quite nicely together. that's together. but i mean, that's obviously one. obviously a different one. >> those >> but they shouldn't. but those groups of people are intimidating, it's intimidating, whether it's football know , which football fans, you know, which we go on the rampage or we know can go on the rampage or protesters. need protesters. people need to respect people's space. >> they do. yeah well, at this time of the year, i mean, to attack poppy sellers like that and intimidate them and and to intimidate them and frighten pits. >> well, now time my >> right. well, now time for my supplement, which is about britain's sheep being britain's loneliest sheep being rescued by a gang of plucky farmers. woolley is finally

free. so this is this little sheep that was on a hill. there he is. now, look, he's been on there for a very, very long. two years, wasn't yeah, two years. and then it was actually the daily star, i think, that backed a she'd a campaign to save her. she'd been there . she was on. it was been there. she was on. it was perilous conditions. but to all of went up there of those farmers went up there to and lifted her to to reach her and lifted her to safety. and now she's resting due to an overgrown fleece . it due to an overgrown fleece. it was sheared today. so she went to the hairdressers. >> well, i bet you that fleece is to going be worth something when it's turned into something you woolly you know, to a nice woolly jumper. go ebay. you know, to a nice woolly jurr hencote. go ebay. you know, to a nice woolly jurr hencote. you're ebay. >> hencote. so you're not allowed anymore? is allowed to do that anymore? is that supposed to be well, that supposed to be bad? well, she's it, she's not being killed for it, though. still alive. though. she's still alive. >> sheep looking after, and >> sheep need looking after, and that's yeah, that's proof positive. yeah, well, environmental friendly. >> yeah. >> yeah. well, >> yeah. well, if >> yeah. well, if you. >> yeah. well, if you. >> you get the coat. but >> if you get the coat. but she's still so it's not she's still alive, so it's not like maybe like you've killed maybe a couple , a couple of couple of hats, a couple of hats, and need needs hats, and you need a hat, needs a jumpers . a few jumpers. >> you're quite they'll >> you're quite right. they'll be expensive . be very expensive. >> well, hopefully they >> yeah, well, hopefully they maybe go on ebay and. and or sold the scottish spca who .

sold for the scottish spca who. >> well, they said that she was the most relaxed sheep that they'd ever seen. >> she was probably so calm, enjoying the peace, not having to to anybody, not having to talk to anybody, not having someone who's wouldn't be someone who's we wouldn't be able with that. able to cope with that. >> talking to talking >> not talking to us, talking to her the her all the time. >> on today's >> well, listen, on today's show, i've been asking, should we ban the pro—palestinian demonstrators ? and according to demonstrators? and according to the twitter poll , 80% of you the twitter poll, 80% of you said yes . so that the twitter poll, 80% of you said yes. so that is banning them entirely. and 20% of you said no . so huge. thank you to said no. so huge. thank you to my panel , said no. so huge. thank you to my panel, author and broadcaster christine hamilton. christine thank you very much. >> pleasure, as always . >> pleasure, as always. >> pleasure, as always. >> thank you. and also thank you very much to matthew la la. absolutely >> always a pleasure. even if i do called la oh, it's do get called la la. oh, it's like a sheep's name. >> it is, isn't it? that's >> it is, isn't it? that's >> it's affectionate . >> it's affectionate. >> it's affectionate. >> exactly. exactly. that's why i come back. >> larry. thank you for having lamb. love lamb . it's lamb. i love lamb. it's delicious. and i've got to say, thank you at home for thank you to you at home for your company. listen, don't forget, need tune in at forget, you need to tune in at 9:00 for the dinosaur hour. they've got a real good one tonight. so make sure you join

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england. but still with us, a good amount of sunshine in between temperatures between them. temperatures around so fairly around 10 to 13 c. so fairly pleasant if you are in those sunnier spots . but tuesday, it sunnier spots. but tuesday, it will again start relatively showery. but we've got this ridge of high pressure that's going way in going to be moving its way in dunng going to be moving its way in during the day that will gradually ease off the gradually help to ease off the showers, particularly for western as head into western areas as we head into the afternoon. turning drier the afternoon. so turning drier here. again, sunny here. again, some sunny intervals out for and intervals to watch out for and enjoy you out and about. enjoy if you are out and about. the winds also easing off throughout as well as we throughout the day as well as we head wednesday, though, head into wednesday, though, there persistent band there is a more persistent band of will sweeping there is a more persistent band of way will sweeping there is a more persistent band of way withe sweeping there is a more persistent band of way withe sw theng there is a more persistent band of way withe szhen into its way across the uk. then into thursday, the showers return once again. enjoy your evening by

by way mr johnson saying that innocent families were forced to protect themselves against brutal killers. >> there's been no single attack like this on the jewish people since the second world war, and

that's a matter of record . and that's a matter of record. and you know what? i think that that that may be because across the world, the memory and the lesson of that appalling crime and 6 million died. the memory may be starting to fade and it may be that what we're really seeing now in some of these as these marches and the and these demos and the unthinking way people are talking about this issue, well, we're starting to see perhaps i really hope this isn't the case. but you're seeing more and more evidence of anti—semitism . anti —semitism. >> anti—semitism. >> humza anti —semitism. >> humza yousafs anti—semitism. >> humza yousafs in—laws have arrived back in scotland after being trapped in gaza for more than three weeks. the first minister posted a photo on ex saying he's glad they're back home safely. the foreign office is pressing for the rafah crossing to reopen to allow uk nationals to escape from gaza. egypt announced the suspension of evacuations following a deadly attack on an ambulance .

deadly attack on an ambulance. anthony blinken is