too. and and i bet you have too. and bofisis and i bet you have too. and boris is busy in israel . is this boris is busy in israel. is this helpful to the cause or an egotistical pr visit for himself? you tell me . yes himself? you tell me. yes indeed. that is all to come on like a little bit of feisty debate. and i know you do, too. but before we get stuck into it, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> michelle, thank you. good evening. well, the top story tonight is that the metropolitan police in london is asking protest organisers to urgently reconsider their plans for demonstrations in london during remembrance commemorations this weekend. senior officers say they're concerned by the danger posed by breakaway groups who are intent on fuelling disorder there. the met held talks with organisers today, but requests to postpone the protests have been declined. officers are

asking the groups to urgently reconsider kidder, saying that it's not appropriate to hold any demonstrations. this weekend. meanwhile just stop. oil activists have denied targeting the cenotaph this morning after around 100 protesters were arrested . the group says they arrested. the group says they were moved to the base of the monument by police after air traffic was shut down near downing street. the met also confirmed that no one glued themselves to the road set secretly. two more activists smashed the glass, covering a precious artwork at the national gallery earlier , they were all gallery earlier, they were all arrested on suspicion of criminal damage. arrested on suspicion of criminal damage . and those criminal damage. and those protests come after it was announced that licences for oil and gas projects in the north sea are now to be awarded every yean sea are now to be awarded every year. the government says the move to be announced in the king's speech tomorrow will provide job security for 200,000 workers and reduce britain's dependence on foreign energy imports. ministers saying it will also help with the

transition to net zero. well the news away from home. israel's military says it's targeting the hezbollah terrorist group with a series of strikes in lebanon after rockets were fired towards cities in israel's north hours ago. us president joe biden spoke with the israeli prime minister and that was after the secretary of state held talks with officials in turkey , where with officials in turkey, where the foreign minister reiterated calls for a ceasefire and several un aid agencies to have issued a joint statement today. also calling for a ceasefire. israel though, says that won't happen until all the more than 240 hostages held by hamas are released . in news here at home, released. in news here at home, law is designed to provide a minimum level of cover during strikes have been extended now to ambulance staff, rail workers and border force employees . and border force employees. train staff will be asked to operate 40% of their normal timetable , while border security timetable, while border security will have to keep all airports

open during strikes. this would bnng open during strikes. this would bring the uk in line with countries like france, italy and spain . the minimum service level spain. the minimum service level act passed earlier this year, but it has faced criticism from trade unions who say it threatens the right to strike in years away from home. donald trump has been facing a civil fraud case that threatens his property empire. the former us president is accused of inflating the value of his properties by over £1.65 billion to secure favourable loan terms. he gestured that his lips were sealed as he passed reporters on his way out of court. losing the case could mean six significant financial consequences for his property business, and earlier, he described the court case as a witch hunt. it's a very unfair situation. >> this is really election interference. that's all it is. this trial is ridiculous . the this trial is ridiculous. the numbers are much greater than on the financial statement. we've already proven that. it's a very sad situation for our country. we shouldn't have this. this is

for third world countries, an and, you know, very unfair. it's very unfair. but in the meantime , the people of the country understand it. they see it and they don't like it here. >> the prime minister has described allegations that a tory mp committed a series of rapes as very serious. it's understood that sir jake berry, a former tory party chairman, told police that an internal failure to act on allegations of rape allowed the unnamed mp to continue to offend. rishi sunak insists his party's complaints procedures are robust and british steel is to close down the blast furnaces at its scunthorpe plant, putting up to 2000 jobs at risk . they'll be 2000 jobs at risk. they'll be replaced by two electric arcs, which run on carbon neutral electricity but require a lot fewer workers to operate. the chinese owned company says the £1.25 billion project will make the firm a clean, green,

sustainable business. downing street says it's offered £300 million of investment for british steel to cut emissions. labour says the plan would leave the uk unable to produce any primary steel products . and primary steel products. and lastly, four men have been charged over the theft of a £4.8 million golden toilet from blenheim palace. the fully functioning loo was stolen dunng functioning loo was stolen during an overnight raid in 2019. it had been installed as an artwork at the oxfordshire palace. the birthplace of winston churchill. the suspects will appear in court on the 28th of november, facing charges including burglary and transferring criminal property . transferring criminal property. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel .

britain's news channel. >> thanks for that polly and michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the deputy leader of the reform party , ben habib, and the party, ben habib, and the political commentator joe phillips. welcome to both of you. you know the drill as well, don't you, on this programme is not just about us. it's very much about you at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch all the usual ways. gb views a gbnews.com is how you email me. or you can tweet at gb news lots. i want tweet me at gb news lots. i want to get stuck into with you guys tonight , not to get stuck into with you guys tonight, not least suella braverman. she's in trouble again. when is she not? and i want to ask, have we got so want to ask, why have we got so many feral kids this country? many feral kids in this country? i've a few suggestions as to i've got a few suggestions as to who is to blame, but i'm fascinated to what make fascinated as to what you make to what's been going on. have you officers you seen the police officers attack fireworks in attack with fireworks in scotland? is going on? lots scotland? what is going on? lots more as well to come. but i don't want to just touch on the story that you had in the headunes story that you had in the headlines there. this is a very recent update from the met police the protest police asking the protest organisers over armistice day to

urgently reconsider . i'm looking urgently reconsider. i'm looking fonnard to tomorrow night on my programme. i've got james programme. i've gotjames schneider and kelvin mackenzie, the former editor of the sun. they are massively going to disagree on this topic, but i also want touch on it briefly also want to touch on it briefly with you guys tonight as well. do you think protests should be allowed to go ahead on armistice day? >> don't they should be >> i don't think they should be allowed ahead. i think allowed to go ahead. i think it's that we're going it's very sad that we're going to to use the law in to to have to use the law in to order protect armistice day, that we now have a significant minority in our society that would even wish to disturb it, who don't buy into the values of armistice day. i find that very disturbing . and, you know, it's disturbing. and, you know, it's a manifestation of the multiculturalism to which suella braverman was referring in her speech in washington a few weeks ago when she said multiculturalism isn't working. and whilst i completely agree that where we are requires now a law enforcement response to

these protests, it is deeply disappointing that the country has reached a stage where people are out on the streets not having respect for armistice. it's evidence that the values which we hold dear in this country are not widely held and not, not, not, not, not universally held, certainly. and there are very significant minority is who would disturb it. and that's what i find particularly troubling. joe >> i think , first of all, i >> i think, first of all, i think it's a great shame and extremely worrying if the metropolitan police are being put under huge pressure by the government. i think that the police have already said and made it very clear that they have talked to the organisers of the marches that have been going on for a few saturdays now. they will have also had to deal with the local councils where the march goes. the march was not due to take place until after for the two minute silence and it was nowhere near the cenotaph or whitehall. now you could argue that actually had it been,

it has been planned, it's been in the offing with those conversations with the police and the police, they could have said actually, we've got too much going on that weekend . and much going on that weekend. and instead turning into what instead of turning into what it's now become, which is a political football, which raises all sorts of questions about the right to peaceful protest and whether the government is meddling in police matters. >> yeah, i've got to say, the police met. police have said that, yes, there's been this peaceful process, but they are concerned by breakaway groups intent on fuelling disorder . intent on fuelling disorder. they're constantly examining the intelligence ahead of that weekend to consider how best to respond . so just to update you respond. so just to update you again, there , asking those again, there, asking those protest organisers to urgently reconsider the marches planned for armistice day, where are you on all of that? i'll be getting stuck into that again as well tomorrow night with kelvin mackenzie and jem schneider. that'll be one to watch on that topic sure. but topic, that's for sure. but tonight, braverman , she tonight, suella braverman, she is again. when is she

is in trouble again. when is she not? you know what? some people just despise suella braverman. i mean could come out with mean, she could come out with the most wonderful, kind sentiment people still sentiment and people would still hate the sentiment because it's from . anyway, hate the sentiment because it's from talking . anyway, hate the sentiment because it's from talking out . anyway, hate the sentiment because it's from talking out now . anyway, hate the sentiment because it's from talking out now and.nyway, hate the sentiment because it's from talking out now and saying she's talking out now and saying that many rough sleepers who bed down the streets using tents down on the streets using tents and all the rest of it essentially are making a lifestyle choice . she wants to lifestyle choice. she wants to propose new laws basically, that would make aggressive begging , would make aggressive begging, drug taking and the like illegal. what do you think to this this issue about whether or not people are choosing on occasions to sleep in tents, on the streets, lifestyle choice ? the streets, lifestyle choice? >> well, i mean , you have to >> well, i mean, you have to distinguish those people from other people who have no option or are unable to find their way into accommodation. but, you know , again, i come back to know, again, i come back to something much more fundamental than the than the issue at hand, which is , you know, tents being which is, you know, tents being banned on the streets, which, by the way, i support. and but the more fundamental tents being banned on the streets, i support that. yeah, i support suella

braverman effort to take tents off the street. what we don't want in light already exists. >> so, ben , councils have had at >> so, ben, councils have had at least ten years, if not longer , least ten years, if not longer, of the ability under public space protection orders. they have the ability and the powers to remove tents. there are also powers for local authorities on aggressive begging. so she why is she coming up with something that she thinks is new? she makes priti patel look like mary poppins . she is so vile and poppins. she is so vile and unkind and spiteful. >> i don't think so, joe. i mean, i think that it's easy to brand her as that. but for so long, a lot of these issues have , you know, mainstream politicians in particularly ministers and so on. and parliamentarians haven't been to prepared debate these sensitive issues. and what suella braverman is doing and i applaud her for it, is putting up these issues to be debated so that there is an honest assessment

about what we generally the people of the united kingdom, are feeling and what we don't want. i was going to make a slightly broader point than the one on 10s, which is that we've clearly got a kind of broken society at the moment. we're going to talk about feral children, as you mentioned, michelle, this michelle, and this is symptomatic the breakdown symptomatic of the breakdown in our no reason our society. there's no reason a country as rich as the united kingdom should have anyone sleeping rough . but here we are sleeping rough. but here we are as a spending 4 billion as a country, spending 4 billion as a country, spending 4 billion a housing people who've a year housing people who've entered the country illegally , entered the country illegally, who have right to be here and who have no right to be here and yet we're not looking after the working and middle classes of our own country. not our own country. we're not educating children educating our children adequately them the adequately or providing them the skills they need in order skills that they need in order to get in life. and we're to get on in life. and we're creating our own underclass whom we're our back on and we we're turning our back on and we need to have joined up thinking across these policy areas. across all these policy areas. >> you're not going to get >> but you're not going to get joined up thinking if you've got a government minister, a senior government minister, the secretary coming out the home secretary coming out with stuff that is just headline grabbing without saying, i'm

calling on local authorities to use the powers they've got to enforce it instead of coming out and making out. she's got some new idea. there is a what? >> are you going to find them? she's going to find them for handing out tents. >> that was no, she's going to find charities. what is the point in finding a charity that is dependent on the goodwill of this? good people this this? the good people of this country support these country to support these initiatives? idea that, initiatives? and the idea that, you know, in the middle of the winter with pouring rain, freezing cold, that anybody would make a lifestyle choice to sleep in the cold with no access to clean clothes , dry clothes, to clean clothes, dry clothes, toilets , bathrooms or regular toilets, bathrooms or regular meals or money. it is absolutely appalling. and why rishi sunak keeps her in government other than to use her as some sort of human shield. i've got no idea where there's a conference on right now. today on 119, local authorities have written to the government and they are council

of all political colours asking for more help because of the cuts to their funding from central government to help with temporary accommodation . temporary accommodation. >> but this homelessness, this is the other side of the same coin, joe, isn't it everything is through the prism is looked through the prism of government spending, need government spending, the need for government to something for government to do something to support these people, the need for government, what the government needs to do is create an environment in the united kingdom people can get the kingdom where people can get the skills get a job, skills they need to get a job, where incentives to where people are incentives to work rather than take benefits . work rather than take benefits. we're to talk about we're going to talk about benefits as well, benefits later as well, where there a need to import there isn't a need to import immigrants from abroad in order to do the jobs that the brits aren't doing because the brits aren't doing because the brits are incentivised and educated and skilled enough to do and up skilled enough to do them, including working in hospitals and so on. i'm digressing slightly, but i'm trying join the dots. trying to draw, join the dots. joe. we're not joining the dots in policy making in this. no, we're absolutely not. >> we're not joining the dots between social services, between housing, environment, between social services, between housing, taxation environment, between social services, between housing, taxation policy nment, between social services, between housing, taxation policy nme all between taxation policy and all of things . we're not of those things. we're not joining the dots between on

cutting funding to local authorities, cutting funding to councils, cutting funding that was in place to help with homeless shelters. and why does she have to use the language that she does, which is so offensive? >> but she's getting it on the map? no, she's not. we're having a debate. you and i are having an honest debate about, but only because of what she said. >> but i bet you there are a lot of people who might have previous times voted conservative who now conservative or who now find that absolutely abhorrent. >> what's abhorrent? i mean, >> but what's abhorrent? i mean, i've statement. i've got the whole statement. she'd part tweet she'd like a four part tweet about this, and i've got it all in me now. and i read in front of me now. and i read this and don't see anything in this and i don't see anything in there to say. >> being homeless is a lifestyle choice deeply, she says. choice is deeply, she says. >> cannot allow our streets >> we cannot allow our streets to taken by of to be taken over by rows of tents by people, tents occupied by people, many of are abroad, living of them are from abroad, living on the streets as a lifestyle choice. do you think there are any people in country who any people in this country who do choice to do make a lifestyle choice to live streets? no, i live on the streets? no, i don't. >> what she's saying, >> but what she's saying, i think you're completely wrong.

>> an example. in >> i'll give you an example. in 2000, think it was about 2018 2000, i think it was about 2018 in they had to issue in hull, they had to issue a statement because there were people out rough. the people sleeping out rough. the council come and make council had to come out and make a statement and say, there is no need anybody sleeping need for anybody to be sleeping in the streets we in the city. on the streets we have hostel beds available for you. we have extra beds. when it's freezing cold made available there no available for you, there is no reason there some people in reason there are some people in society for a variety of different reasons that pro actively make the choice to disconnect and by disconnect from society and by choice, the streets. i'm choice, live on the streets. i'm astonished see, astonished that you don't see, okay, maybe there are, but they will very, very small. will be very, very small. numbers are numbers concede that there are some she says it, that some the way she says it, that she's everybody a no she's putting everybody in a no she's putting everybody in a no she distinguishes she she she distinguishes between those who are forced in. >> i wonder if she's ever actually spoken to anybody on the street or anybody in a homeless shelter or anybody who's sat outside in the pouring rain. i mean, i wonder what research there is in the home office that she's conducted or authorised to find out how many people you know, she's only got to walk out of the office in storey's gate and go down

victoria street . you know, you victoria street. you know, you could a random poll and ask could do a random poll and ask all the people there who are sleeping out tonight. >> that you think >> anything good that you think suella braverman done? no, suella braverman has done? no, but i think that is but you see, i think that is very because think very bizarre because i think there's like there's too many people like yourself just you would yourself off that just you would almost just hate suella braverman . so no matter what she braverman. so no matter what she comes with, she could come comes out with, she could come out with most wonderful, out with the most wonderful, blissful thing and you would still it because it's from still hate it because it's from suella braverman because. suella braverman well, because. >> because record leads >> because her past record leads me have an opinion , which is me to have an opinion, which is that she is absolutely unkind , that she is absolutely unkind, vicious, spiteful . she's only vicious, spiteful. she's only interested in getting headlines. she bypasses parliament, she makes comments and makes up policy on the hoof at conference sizes that are nothing to do with the conservative party or parliament. and she's failed on everything that she's done other than to get braverman is trying to put some very serious issues which are brushed under the carpet by parliamentarians, put some very serious issues on the table so that they are honestly

debated and we start having a discussion in this country, for example, about issues like multiculturalism, which isn't working . working. >> and we can see that being played out through these pro palestine, pro hamas effectively see they're not, they are pro—hamas, they're not. when you have mainstream march, when you have mainstream march, when you have marches sorry, forgive me, being supported by mainstream opposition leaders, the mayor of london asking requiring, insisting on a ceasefire from israel . what they're saying is israel. what they're saying is that we are going to deny israel the right to defend itself and thatis the right to defend itself and that is implicitly support getting hamas. and we've got that in our country. well, you could. and that you could flip that the other way by saying by supporting israel's right to defend itself. >> are we therefore saying, as a nafion >> are we therefore saying, as a nation that we support israel's right ? 10,000 people have been right? 10,000 people have been killed, 10,000 palestinians have been killed in the last month. >> and that's tragic. that's more awful than the whole of the ukraine war, which has been

going for over 18 months. >> well, again, are >> well, again, opinions are divided . divided. >> but look, we got there in the end. we all now concede that there are some people on there are some people living on there are some people living on the choice in this the streets by choice in this country. so what do you do about it then? what is the answer offer you guys at home? offer open to you guys at home? vaiews@gbnews.com up next, almost kind of linked, some would say . others would say would say. others would say perhaps a slightly different topic, but benefits, right? if you get benefits, do you think the government should be able to access your bank account every month to make sure you are not cheating the system

>> earlier on, gb news radio . >> earlier on, gb news radio. >> earlier on, gb news radio. >> hi there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got a deputy leader of the reform party, ben habib, and the political commentator joe phillips. habib, and the political commentatorjoe phillips. lots commentator joe phillips. lots of guys in touch of you guys getting in touch about tent gate. john says homelessness can indeed be a

lifestyle choice for some, but by no means all. some people offer temporary accommodation will refuse it because, for example , they're unable to take example, they're unable to take their drinks or their drugs and often, by the way, dogs often, by the way, their dogs into with them . some into the hostel with them. some will say they are afraid of being robbed the hostels or being robbed in the hostels or assaults . and home secretary assaults. and the home secretary was right . so do not shoot the was right. so do not shoot the messenger , please. that's what messenger, please. that's what john says . uh, joe, why do you john says. uh, joe, why do you immediately always attack the government and that's what one of my viewers, ken, says as well. if keir starmer had said , well. if keir starmer had said, just let's just pick keir starmer. but if keir starmer had said there are some people that choose to live on the streets as a lifestyle choice, would you still have the issue with that sentiment? >> sentiment? yes, absolutely. >> but you've just agreed with absolutely. >> thatrou've just agreed with absolutely. >> that some just agreed with absolutely. >> that some people reed with absolutely. >> that some people dod with absolutely. >> that some people do choose to me that some people do choose to live on street. some people. live on the street. some people. >> but you cannot say it in >> but but you cannot say it in the that she said it. you the way that she said it. you know, she makes it. she's just the way that she said it. you kn01doesn't1akes it. she's just the way that she said it. you kn01doesn't think it. she's just the way that she said it. you kn01doesn't think abouti's just the way that she said it. you kn01doesn't think about her|st she doesn't think about her words. >> you know, i think if there were more politicians that were slightly talking,

were more politicians that were slig society talking, were more politicians that were sligsociety be, talking, were more politicians that were sligsociety be, tthinkj, were more politicians that were sligsbeety be, tthinkj, were more politicians that were sligs be much be, tthinkj, were more politicians that were sligsbe much better tthinkj, were more politicians that were slig s be much better offhink j, were more politicians that were sligsbe much better off likej, we'd be much better off like the ones we've heard in the covid inquiry last week. >> well, i think covid >> well, i think the covid inquiry is a bit of a clown school. >> i think it's an absolute waste and effort and waste of time and effort and money. don't actually money. and i don't actually think are getting the think they are getting to the heart true issues. but heart of the true issues. but don't even get me started on that. i'll to do that one. that. i'll have to do that one. and not once have they asked that. i'll have to do that one. and nnthe nce have they asked that. i'll have to do that one. and nnthe nce tbenefity asked that. i'll have to do that one. and nnthe nce tbenefit exercise about the cost benefit exercise of lockdowns. >> not once. >> not once. >> well, they go they will get to i'll tell what. to that. i'll tell you what. they will asking about very they will be asking about very soon. you claim benefits, soon. if you claim benefits, that will be your bank balance, because there's new because now there's new proposals and this is proposals to look. and this is all basically to all about basically trying to stop people defrauding the system. and it would system. and the way it would work you work is essentially if you do claim benefits, the would claim benefits, the banks would have reports on bank have to run reports on your bank accounts some people have to run reports on your bank accneven some people have to run reports on your bank accneven suggestinnge people are even suggesting weekly. i mean, i'd love to be a bank manager, as if you've got nowt better to do. but anyway, to check whether not people are check whether or not people are telling about much telling the truth about how much cash the bank, if cash they've got in the bank, if they're taking taxpayer money. do you agree with that? they're taking taxpayer money. do iju agree with that? they're taking taxpayer money. do iju agree thinkthat? they're taking taxpayer money. do iju agree think obviously >> i mean, i think obviously fraud should back, it fraud should be cut back, but it won't take most. you don't

won't take the most. you don't need to be a genius to know that just, you know, just make sure your bank is empty. just your bank account is empty. just keep cash out account. keep cash out of the account. and that be the end of the and that would be the end of the problem. what they're problem. i think what they're trying to get. >> agree that there >> do you agree that there should be able to have this access to your bank account? >> i see. the principle of >> oh, i see. the principle of yeah, yeah. you're you're yeah, yeah. no you're you're right. shouldn't be right. they shouldn't be absolutely they absolutely right. no, they shouldn't access your shouldn't have access to your private matters. i think the, the banks required to blow the banks are required to blow the banks are required to blow the they believe the whistle if they believe something on. something illegal is going on. but the government to have but for the government to have the to come and audit the right to come in and audit out your personal activity is completely wrong . completely wrong. >> but then if you apply for a mortgage, if you want to lend money from a bank, for example , money from a bank, for example, they will scrutinise your income , your outgoings. they'll want to see all aspects of your accounts they're giving accounts because they're giving you you. you or lending you. >> that's the government >> but that's not the government and not that's and that's also not that's private entities. >> so actually it's the government. the argument might be stronger be perhaps even stronger for some checks and balances i >> but this is this would be the government coming into a private enterprise information enterprise to gain information on individual . well, in order

on an individual. well, in order to determine whether or not they've broken the not that they've broken the law. not that there's even a suspicion that they've broken the law. i think it is different. and when you go for mortgage, you voluntarily for a mortgage, you voluntarily offer all that. don't offer up all that. you don't have to that information. have to give that information. >> but you don't have to >> i mean, but you don't have to claim well, some claim benefits. well, some people without people can't live without benefits, perfectly well benefits, as we perfectly well know. some people who, know. there are some people who, for sorts reasons, need for all sorts of reasons, need and absolutely dependent on and are absolutely dependent on benefits. so would you support the checking, the checks and balances of checking bank accounts? no, not at all. not by government? no. >> do we stop fraud then? >> how do we stop fraud then? >> how do we stop fraud then? >> well , you can >> how do we stop fraud then? >> well, you can you >> how do we stop fraud then? >> well , you can you know, you >> well, you can you know, you can still check on people because you still have to ask people declare. but you know, people to declare. but you know, this is hitting the people at the bottom of the we have the bottom of the pile. we have let rishi sunak has said let and the rishi sunak has said he's let go. the he's going to let go. the billions that was made by lots of people to line their pockets dunng of people to line their pockets during covid who made an absolute fortune out of dodgy ppe contracts and things. we've got michelle mone today finally admitting that, yes, she was

involved in a vip farce . involved in a vip farce. >> yeah, her representatives apparently people speaking on her behalf. >> well, yeah, but you know, having denied it, denied it, denied it. that's millions of pounds. denied it. that's millions of pounds . michelle, you're talking pounds. michelle, you're talking about people who would have savings more than £16,000. savings of more than £16,000. and ben says, if you thought and as ben says, if you thought that was going to happen, you would just empty the bank account. >> this right. so if you've got because you're quite right. so your first £6,000 of savings, they count towards your they don't count towards your eligibility for benefits, but you can have up to £16,000. do you can have up to £16,000. do you think it's right in this day and age and i'm not talking about people just to be clear, i'm not talking about people. if you can't physically work, then i'm talking about you, i'm not talking about you, but i'm not talking about you, but i'm talking someone who i'm talking about someone who does benefits whilst does claim benefits whilst they've got £16,000 in their bank account. do you think that's right? >> well, i think the whole the whole balance between benefits and working is has gone wrong. we've got 6.1 million people on universal credit now post lockdown. it was 3 million before lockdown. we've got 2.1

million people on universal credit michelle, who claim to have mental health issues aren't even looking for a job. they're making zero effort to get back into the workplace. and you know, when you look at the massive increase of claimants pre covid, pre lockdown rather, i should say to be precise, pre lockdown and post lockdown. and then you see the enormous number of immigrants we're taking in to fix apparently our shortage of labour when we've got so many people domestically who ought to be encouraged back into the workplace. the only conclusion i can reach is that the balance between inner incentivising people to go to work and mollycoddling them at home if they're not feeling 100% forgive me for putting it harshly , but me for putting it harshly, but 2.1 million people claiming mental health issues just doesn't seem right to me. as a figure . mollycoddling them, figure. mollycoddling them, protecting them, breaking that incentive desire, aspiration to

go to work, you're going to have a broken labour force. you're going to have a broken economy and you're going to have a broken country. and that's what we're getting . we're getting. >> a lot of the >> don't forget, a lot of the people benefits people who are claiming benefits are are in work. are people who are in work. they are people who are in work. they are paid work. are in low paid work. >> yeah, but i said 2.1 million people, not even attempting to get a job. we are taking mental health. >> to go back michelle's >> to go back to michelle's point for instance, of the £16,000 in the bank, if you are looking somewhere looking to rent somewhere private on private because if you're on this income, you probably won't be afford to buy be able to afford to buy somewhere you might have to cough up three or even six months rent in advance . yes, you months rent in advance. yes, you might be having to pay towards an elderly relative in care. for instance. there are reasons that people need a little bit to fall back on and we know there are millions of people in this country. was the primary safety net for a person . net for a person. >> is it you as an individual or is it government? i think is it the government? i think it's a mixture of both. >> are many people, >> there are many, many people, probably even who are probably people even who are watching programme either watching this programme either them or someone they know

succumbed sentences can change. people can lose their jobs. they can lose their their roof over their heads. they can become ill. they can be in accident thousand pounds is quite a cushy support. but if you're working, michelle, you are now, you know, because the tax benefits are not the tax benefits . the tax the tax benefits. the tax allowances have stayed the same. oh, well, that's what i'm saying. so more and more people are actually now paying tax and they are people like pensioners who next year will go that who next year will go into that paying who next year will go into that paying bracket where they paying tax bracket where they weren't. now low paid weren't. you've now got low paid people who are now having to pay tax who still on this tax and who are still on this ridiculous of having to ridiculous cycle of having to claim benefit to top up in order to be able to live. yeah i think i do think actually it's a scandalin i do think actually it's a scandal in our society that people go to work and still need to top up their wage. >> with tax i think that >> i know with tax i think that is absolute scandal. is an absolute scandal. >> well, it's a broken economic model, we keep model, you know, and we keep fixing keep fixing the fixing sorry, we keep fixing the apparent shortage of labour by taking vastly

taking in immigrants at vastly lower cost than we would have to pay lower cost than we would have to pay our own people if we didn't have that approach to fixing the labour market. and we're creating at the same time the kind of multi cultural problems we've just been talking about . we've just been talking about. all these things are linked , but all these things are linked, but you've also got a huge problem of a lack of affordable rented accommodation and again, the immigration factor plays into that. what we need to do is people need to we need to get away from dependency. we've got to get away from this notion that the state is going to bail us out of everything. we've got to instil aspiration, which is a basic human spirit, aspiration over and get rid of over dependency and get rid of wealth redistribution and start creating wealth in this country. that's what we've got to drive towards. people would argue that >> some people would argue that people coming to this country are aspirational to a are aspirational to have a better life. better economic life. >> are. but at the cost of >> they are. but at the cost of the indigenous population . and the indigenous population. and that's we're experiencing . that's what we're experiencing. >> well, some people would argue, the guy my ear, argue, like the guy in my ear, that i've to go to a break,

that i've got to go to a break, so i will respect that. you guys are getting in touch. i'm telling got really telling you, you've got really divided on that one at divided opinions on that one at home. i'll bring you in in a couple of but also couple of minutes. but i also want you why have we got want to ask you why have we got so feral kids in this so many feral kids in this country? have you seen what's going scotland where going on in scotland where they've fireworks they've been chucking fireworks at police officers? who do you think are why do you think they are and why do you think they are and why do you think not of the think they are not afraid of the police? want to ask you police? i also want to ask you about boris he of about boris johnson. he of course, israel. is this a course, in israel. is this a really thing, keeping it on really good thing, keeping it on the media landscape, or the kind of media landscape, or is bofis the kind of media landscape, or is boris promoting is it boris johnson promoting bofis is it boris johnson promoting boris johnson ? you tell me and boris johnson? you tell me and i'll see you in a couple of minutes

such divisions? earlier on gb news radio . news radio. >> hi there michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. deputy leader of reform party ben habib. alongside me, political commentator joe phillips . i was asking you phillips. i was asking you before the break, do you think the government should be able to have a look at your bank accounts, perhaps monthly, to

check that you're not cheating the system if you get benefits? let's you divided about the system if you get benefits? let's at you divided about the system if you get benefits? let's at home. divided about the system if you get benefits? let's at home. christine about the system if you get benefits? let's at home. christine says. the system if you get benefits? let's at home. christine says yes that at home. christine says yes , we to check people's , we have to check people's banks. is other way banks. if there is no other way to stop fraud. phil says this is all too big brother, and it would be impossible to please. what about people that have multiple bank multiple different bank accounts? andy says, i don't support government having access to accounts, but we support government having access to got accounts, but we support government having access to got anything:ounts, but we support government having access to got anything to nts, but we support government having access to got anything to hide)ut we support government having access to got anything to hide then.�* ain't got anything to hide then. so what i can tell you, i think it's a bit of a slippery slope and says, yes, look at their bank statements to avoid them. basically having illegal money. cynthia says, brilliant idea . if cynthia says, brilliant idea. if you've got nothing to hide, then why would you be worried? ian says, i know whole families who've hardly ever worked in their they live on their lives and they live on benefits because they know how their lives and they live on becheat. )ecause they know how their lives and they live on becheat. theuse they know how their lives and they live on becheat. the system. know how their lives and they live on becheat. the system. rebecca w to cheat. the system. rebecca says doing this isn't hitting says no doing this isn't hitting people bottom. lot people at the bottom. you lot need well , can need to get real well, i can tell i still astonished tell you i am still astonished that £16,000 is the amount of money that you're allowed to have whilst you're claiming benefits. i do. i think it's absolutely astronomical. you're saying well, didn't go saying to me, well, it didn't go very far. >> we just you paying rent

it. >> yeah but the average rent i've just said the average rent in this country in england is about £900 a month. you've about £900 a month. so you've got worth of rent got about a year's worth of rent and then change. >> but not central >> but not in central london. >> but not in central london. >> big but still. >> another big city, but still. okay. central london, it's about £1,400 a month one room. £1,400 a month for one room. >> , no, that's your average >> well, no, that's your average rent in london >> £16,000. i mean, have you got i mean, i don't want to pry. i don't want to get old government on you and start looking at your bank accounts. >> well, we're just ask people to them in. to send them in. >> michelle, send in photographs of just. >> i maybe i am alone in this. maybe i'm just like, i'm on an island of one. as regularly happens to me on this show. but i found £16,000. is i just. i found £16,000. is a huge amount of money. a of huge amount of money. a lot of people wouldn't the people wouldn't dream the dream to be able get that amount of to be able to get that amount of cash, they'd really cash, but they'd never really achieve i just i do. achieve it. so i just i do. maybe i am alone. clearly i am on this panel. i just find it an awful of money that you can awful lot of money that you can have while simultaneously being able to claim benefits. yes, able to claim benefits. and yes, i do this weird i know they do this weird calculation they account

calculation where they account something like every £250 you've got, £4 or got, they count it as £4 or something like that and they do start away the start chipping away at the benefits. still i am i benefits. but still i am i honestly learn at home honestly i learn even at home £16,000 that can get £16,000 that you can get benefits in touch let me benefits get in touch and let me know your thoughts on that. but look, i want to talk to you about kids because did you about feral kids because did you see the of some of the see the state of some of the goings in this country goings on in this country yesterday, bonfire for yesterday, a bonfire night, for example, in scotland, and example, over in scotland, and you coming you had police officers coming under i would under attack from what i would basically describe a bunch of basically describe as a bunch of yobs, frankly, what yobs, quite frankly, what happened manchester happened in manchester as well. you gangs young people you had gangs of young people chucking rockets. houses. chucking rockets. how houses. you've all various different you've got all various different flammable things being chucked. it wasn't just fireworks . why do it wasn't just fireworks. why do kids this country think they kids in this country think they can behave like this ? can behave like this? >> well, again, i mean, i don't think there's any one main cause that you can point directly, that you can point to directly, but clearly a breakdown but there is clearly a breakdown happening in society in the united kingdom . and we see it united kingdom. and we see it from top to bottom . you know, we from top to bottom. you know, we talked earlier about fraud. you know, if we don't have role models in life on whom we can rely on from whom we can take

guidance, there is going to be there be problems. there are going to be problems. and look at the routine, i and you look at the routine, i mean, revelations of fraud at the level government the highest level in government aren't true. you look at the abuse that takes place frequently and regularly by parliamentarians who are, you know, every other day, every other day. we're getting a new by—election because they're behaving badly . and then you behaving badly. and then you look at the way crime , petty look at the way crime, petty crime seems to be tolerated across society. people going into supermarkets without any shame, taking what they want and assuming they're not going to be challenged. police officers taking down photographs of babies that were killed in israel. there's a complete kind of breakdown of the distinguishing , you know, of distinguishing, you know, of what is right and what is wrong and what makes a good person a good person. and why it's important to aspire to being good and why you should work , be good and why you should work, be honest, abide by the law. all these things are being thrown up in the air by a society that is fundamentally failing . and so

fundamentally failing. and so it's no surprise at all to me that children are feral . and the that children are feral. and the other aspect, of course, is the state has far too much influence right now in the way children are brought up. this the family unit itself is broken. and i think that is also another major contributing factor . contributing factor. >> sure. >> sure. >> i think look, i agree with ben that, you know, the sort of the low level crime that we know and we've discussed on this programme, very often the shoplifting , the bike thefts, shoplifting, the bike thefts, the cars being keyed, those sorts of things that the police have consistent and over decades refused to investigate. so kids see people getting away with it. you take it up a level, they see somebody getting away with something a bit more than that. maybe they're actually stealing a car. maybe they're drink driving or they're not getting sent to prison for something, or they're driving without insurance. they're getting away with it . and it insurance. they're getting away with it. and it is i think, you know, there are it starts at

home for sure , but we also need home for sure, but we also need to see it in schools. you've got families, parents that don't support teachers that don't support teachers that don't support schools, that want to have strict rules on things like uniforms and, you know, bringing the right equipment to school, whether p.e or biros whether that's p.e kit or biros or whatever it is. and you've got, as ben rightly says , you've got, as ben rightly says, you've got, as ben rightly says, you've got most appalling behaviour got the most appalling behaviour at top of society . dodi and at the top of society. dodi and i use that word in inverted commas where you've got the deputy chairman of the conservative party telling people to f off in an interview with a national newspaper. you've got the vile language and the misogyny that we saw and heard you know, to wit in the covid inquiry last week, we've seen boris johnson get away with everything that he's done, lying to the public, lying to the queen lying to parliament. so people get away with it. there are no role models. >> well , i mean, are no role models. >> well, i mean, i'd love to go up to some of those kids in the street and go, right. excuse me, are you doing this because lee

anderson said a swear word or dominic corbyn says it. don't dominic corbyn says it. i don't think that. i find it think it is that. and i find it quite actually. quite interesting, actually. i saw girl won't name her, but saw a girl i won't name her, but she was responding to of she was responding to some of the goings on in edinburgh. she was the estate , whereas where was on the estate, whereas where it kicking off, some of it it was kicking off, some of it was off and she was kicking off and she basically apportioned the basically apportioned all the blame or thereabouts to blame there or thereabouts to local government, basically saying doing enough saying you're not doing enough to help she says that if you to help us. she says that if you didn't send a hundred riot police and i'll get a quote because i don't like misquoting people, but what she was basically if you basically saying is if you didn't send a hundred riot police, then they wouldn't have been a riot. and think sorry , been a riot. and i think sorry, it's like to me there's too much excusing that much excusing the bad behaviour and let me tell you this, that caught my eye. do you this, that caught my eye. do you remember that story? everyone in the isle of wight, that house where this goes ? that house where this goes? >> yeah, yeah. so these 13 >> yeah, yeah, yeah. so these 13 year old. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. so these 13 yea so ld. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. so these 13 yeaso these gang of kids, >> so these gang of kids, they're going around with chainsaws rest of chainsaws and all the rest of it. doing this. listen it. they're doing this. listen to everyone. the dad of to this. everyone. the dad of one children. i can't one of the children. i can't even get over this. one of the children. i can't evei get over this. one of the children. i can't evei knowver this. one of the children. i can't evei know whatiis. one of the children. i can't

evei know what you're going to say. >> i even get over it. honestly, ineed >> i even get over it. honestly, i need to go lie down. when i read stuff like this and calm myself down little bit. the myself down a little bit. the dad. this kid. the kid is dad. right. this kid. the kid is now aged 14. so so he's in now aged 14. so so he's been in trouble. he's got a 12 month referral order. been referral order. he's been made to £1,500 compensation to to pay £1,500 compensation to the owners. right. his dad the house owners. right. his dad comes the kid. comes out and says, is the kid. he the kid did it because he says the kid did it because he thought the house was haunted. i mean, come on now. but then goes on to say, the but then he goes on to say, the child still hasn't apologised, but his own way he is but i know in his own way he is sorry. well, he's never it sorry. well, he's never said it to know he won't do to me and i know he won't do anything like that again. and he's not been any trouble he's not been in any trouble since last year. he has behaved. but see, i blame the parents. >> but that's appalling. i mean, thatis >> but that's appalling. i mean, that is indulgent. and i think there are a lot of parents and you it , there are a lot of parents and you it, you know, there are a lot of parents and you it , you know, very you can see it, you know, very low level on public transport and restaurants and pubs and, and in restaurants and pubs and, you around where they you know, all around where they are. so indulge aren't of their children that they never even say the basics of sh not everybody wants to hear you or stop kicking that lady's seat or

don't make a mess. so stop kicking that lady's seat or don't make a mess . so those don't make a mess. so those little tiny things , things that little tiny things, things that you start doing with your children when they're little, if they don't happen , then you go they don't happen, then you go on and of course you know, you have to take into account and this not an excuse, but a lot this is not an excuse, but a lot of the kids didn't go to school for 2 or 3 years, two years, because of covid. because of covid, absolutely. and there is no doubt that that has had a huge impact on children of all ages. and the ability you know, you talk to any teacher or any headteacher and they will tell you the impact has been really difficult to try and get them back into routine mean rules, behaviour and all of that sort of stuff. but you know, a lot of it is down to the parents. >> well, what i found interesting as well in scotland, their age of criminal responsibility is 12. everywhere else in the uk it's ten. they've been talking about putting out consultations and stuff to raise that age in scotland to eight teen. they have a scenario in scotland as well where if you're under age prison is

under the age of 25, prison is intended as a very last resort. and they often people will talk about on needs rather about focusing on needs rather than deeds when it comes to young people doing wrong. what do you make to all of that? also as well, we've just been talking about boris johnson, haven't we? he in israel. have you seen he is in israel. have you seen that? doing a fantastic that? is he doing a fantastic job keeping the horrendous job of keeping the horrendous conflict there on map, or is conflict there on the map, or is he basically just boris he basically just doing boris johnson promoting boris johnson a bit of pr? what do you make to it? i'll see you into

hi there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. deputy leader of the reform party, ben habib, alongside me and the political commentator joe phillips. alongside me and the political commentatorjoe phillips. i was commentator joe phillips. i was pondenng commentator joe phillips. i was pondering earlier on whether or not i was on an island of one. i certainly on this when certainly am on this panel. when i was questioning whether or not £16,000 able to £16,000 you should be able to have your bank and have £16,000 in your bank and then claim benefits. i got then still claim benefits. i got to say, am. so it would seem

to say, i am. so it would seem definitely in an island of one. mark you serious, mark says, are you serious, michelle? you know how much money it's going to cost in london? £16,000 will disappear in , says. when poverty in a year, he says. when poverty happens, crime happens . us so happens, crime happens. us so what is your answer to that? i just think it's an awful lot of money. and i do think i am clearly outvoted here and at home. i do just think you're safety net should come from you first. as an indian , you'll first. as an indian, you'll definitely outwork the jemmy says no, actually, you might. are you with me or not? you said £16,000 is too much money saved if you're on universal credit , if you're on universal credit, how long do you think that would last in the cost of living crisis ? dave says. what about crisis? dave says. what about michelle? if someone works all their lives, saves up £16,000, loses their job and then cannot find another job due to their age? you know what? all right. i'll take it on the chin. i've been outvoted. i'll get over it. i've got thick skin. boris johnson. he must have thick skin

as well, because he often comes in for a bit of a kicking because he is now in israel. well, you might have seen some of footage. he says he of the footage. he says he wanted to express solidarity and support. he also wanted to see some the scenes for himself. some of the scenes for himself. he will remember was very he also will remember was very quick on the scene in ukraine as well, wasn't he? this is divided opinion, him being in israel. what you make of it all? what do you make of it all? >> well, think it's for >> well, i don't think it's for his ego . i'm >> well, i don't think it's for his ego. i'm not >> well, i don't think it's for his ego . i'm not 100% his own ego. i'm not 100% convinced it's to show solidarity with israel. the first observation i'd make is it surprised for me that he is not banging the drum for ukraine when all eyes have obviously come off ukraine and ukraine was his pet project . but come off ukraine and ukraine was his pet project. but i think he's in israel because he has developed out a very keen understanding of the defence industry as a result of his work industry as a result of his work in ukraine. and i suspect he's there with his deep knowledge of there with his deep knowledge of the american defence industry and what he may or may not be able to do for the israelis. from a defence, do you mean he might be able to make some money

out of it? well, that could possibly be the case because, you under standing you know, deep under standing and johnson are words and boris johnson are not words that together. well, that often go together. well, he's not known for his ideological he's not known he's not known for his idenideologicals not known he's not known for his idenideological commitment to his ideological commitment to things. he's a no at best. he's a pragmas list. and worst, a pragmas list. and at worst, people would a people would say he's a completely self—interested individual without morality . individual without morality. >> well, that's well, that's what would say completely. but what i would say completely. but i would say absolutely. and ben and i were talking about it before we came into the studio. you know, why go to ukraine you know, why not go to ukraine and remind people that that tragedy and that war is still going on? because he had credibility on ukraine. >> he became mr ukraine. >> he became mr ukraine. >> well, yeah. i mean, you know, he was actually up front amongst european leaders from the very beginning . that would have beginning. and that would have seemed to have been a much seemed to have been on a much more benefit roll if he wants to remind people how he strides the world stage , which he did so world stage, which he did so well when he was foreign. >> i'll put the question to you again. is there anything boris johnson that would johnson could do that you would agree disappear? agree with or like disappear? but you think? i see?

but what do you think? i see? >> i think he was a good mayor of london, the first time round, but that was because he delegated to very good people around him. he is not suitable for a prime ministerial role, which is much more complex. >> so walford to be a gb news presenter. are you happy about that decision? >> well, i won't be sitting next to him. >> well. oh there you go >> well. oh well, there you go boris. if you're watching. she says she's not going to sit next to you. >> i bet he won't be doing live programs. >> i bet he won't be doing live pro i'ams. >> i bet he won't be doing live pro i'amsit'll absolutely devastating. >> you'll his lap, joe. >> you'll be on his lap, joe. i don't think so. >> well, when we start talking about laps, i need to move the conversation only conversation on. it is only a tee time and make us blush. ben habib. look, you know what? habib. look, do you know what? lots of you again getting in lots of you again are getting in touch. just think there's touch. i just think there's a lot of people out there. it doesn't matter what suella braverman, example, would braverman, for example, would do. doesn't what boris do. doesn't matter what boris johnson would do. they just hit those helpful in those people. is that helpful in society? i don't you get society? i don't know. you get in me, you know in touch and tell me, you know what, i've been focusing on a lot negativity in world. lot of negativity in this world. there's so much of it around, isn't there? so i did want to

shine something shine a light on something that's complete opposite as well. i end my program. well. before i end my program. but look at this but you know what? look at this little everyone it really little boy. everyone it really warmed my cockles. it did. warmed my cockles. so it did. today, story, little boy, warmed my cockles. so it did. toda called story, little boy, warmed my cockles. so it did. toda called story,miall le boy, warmed my cockles. so it did. toda called story,miall timur. he's called luke miall timur. he's only ten. he's a quadruple amputee. basically got amputee. so basically he got meningitis to meningitis once and he had to have arms and his legs have his arms and his legs amputated . and this amputated. and now in this world, you can't ever control what happens to you. but of course, can only control the course, we can only control the way there's so way that we respond. there's so many in society that play many people in society that play victims that try use victims that try and use ailments and all the rest of it as excuses. but look at this beautiful, beautiful , beautiful, beautiful, inspirational little boy. i've got goosebumps on my arms. he has raised thousands and thousands and thousands of pounds. they're doing that climb. he's raised money for limb power and children in need as well, climbing that, cracking north yorkshire like i said, £13,000. now to try and help other disabled old children. that summer was more than 653ft. what a beautiful ,

that summer was more than 653ft. what a beautiful, inspirational little boy . and it is worth little boy. and it is worth reminding ourselves that there's so much doom and gloom in society , but there are also society, but there are also wonderful people doing wonderful , heartwarming and inspirational things to help other people . you things to help other people. you know what? we're here. round of applause to you, luke. it did. it warmed my cockles and mine. so on that cockle warming moment , i shall say thank you , joe. to , i shall say thank you, joe. to you, ben habib , also to you. and you, ben habib, also to you. and importantly , to you guys at importantly, to you guys at home. nigel farage. up next, nana. >> hi there and welcome to the latest forecast for gb news from the met office. showers for many of us continuing over the next 24 hours, the most frequent of these will be in the west. the clearest skies and the driest into evils will be towards the east. we've got low pressure sitting to the north of scotland at the moment and a keen west northwesterly airflow driving those showers in and in fact across western scotland, some longer spells of rain expected through the evening. the showers will continue feed into the will continue to feed into the north of england,

north and west of england, wales, northern well. wales, northern ireland as well. and brisk breeze, it's and with that brisk breeze, it's not going to too be chilly overnight. but where we get some shelter the winds towards shelter from the winds towards the more the south—east and more especially scotland , especially northeast scotland, it'll be a touch of frost in places tuesday, places as we begin tuesday, a chilly start and some mist and fog as well for parts of aberdeenshire, for example. first thing that will clear by 9 or am. and then brighter or 10 am. and then brighter skies with some sunny skies for many with some sunny spells and frequent showers from the go in the west, they the word go in the west, they will tend ease in west will tend to ease in the west later, whilst odd one could later, whilst the odd one could p°p later, whilst the odd one could pop towards central and pop up towards central and eastern and temperatures eastern parts and temperatures will reach similar numbers to monday. so 12 13in the south, 10 or 11 further north we start wednesday with a chill in the air in the east, but cloudy , air in the east, but cloudy, breezy and wet weather towards the west that will push through followed by brighter skies into the afternoon , but also frequent the afternoon, but also frequent showers once again, especially for scotland and northern ireland. and we keep the sunshine and showers theme going through thursday and friday with temperatures far from temperatures not far from average of

>> good evening. should the pro—palestine march go ahead on armistice day? i have to say i don't think it should. and yet we're getting no leadership from the government or the metropolitan police tomorrow in parliament, we'll see the first speech, the first king's speech for over 770 years. but is rishi sunak agenda that the king will deliver enough to turn around the conservative party's fortunes ahead of the general election ? and donald trump is election? and donald trump is back in court in new york and he says the whole thing is a complete and utter stitch up. we'll talk about that. but also some remarkable polling figures in america showing him now decisively in the lead in the key swing states . all of that in key swing states. all of that in just a moment. but first, let's get the news with polly

middlehurst . get the news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you and good evening to you. >> well, the top story tonight is that the metropolitan police is that the metropolitan police is asking protest organiser users to urgently re consider their plans for demonstration in london during remembrance commemorations this weekend . commemorations this weekend. senior officers said their concerned by the danger posed by breakaway groups who were intent on fuelling disorder by joining the march. the met held talks with organisers today but requests to postpone the protest were declined, meaning while just stop oil activists have denied targeting the cenotaph this morning after around 100 protesters were arrested. the group says they were moved to the base of the monument by police after traffic was shut down near downing street. separately, two other activists smashed the glass, covering a precious artwork at the national gallery. they were arrested on

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