affair it was. with grand ole affair it was. with all the pomp and pageantry surrounding the king's speech but hang on a second. i thought there was a cost of living crisis. do we really need all of this? and what about the policies as well? there was an awful lot unpack. we're going awful lot to unpack. we're going to through it all and ask to get through it all and ask how the government got the priority right . yes priority parties right. yes indeed.i priority parties right. yes indeed. i can tell you it's going to be a lively next hour. i've got james schneider and kelvin mackenzie getting into all of that before 7:00. but now let's cross live to polly mackenzie for tonight's latest headunes. headlines. >> michelle, thank you. well, good evening to you. our top story is that the labour leader has criticised the first king's speech to parliament in 70 years by saying the only fight left in the government is the fight for their own skin. earlier king charles outlined the prime

minister's legislative agenda for the year ahead amid traditional pomp and pageantry. the speech included measures on tougher sentencing for murderers and a ban on leaseholds for new houses in england and wales. sir keir starmer said the conservatives were severing britain's future . britain's future. >> today was a missed opportunity. we needed a king's speech that would draw a line under 13 years of tory decline , under 13 years of tory decline, a king's speech for national renewal and a serious plan for growth , but instead we have growth, but instead we have a party so devoid of leadership it is happy to follow a home secretary who describes homelessness as a lifestyle choice. sir keir starmer. >> but the prime minister hit back, saying measures announced in the king's speech will change the country for the better . the country for the better. >> this king's speech is about what this government is about taking long term decisions to

build a brighter future for our country. >> it builds on foundations that were far stronger than they were just a year ago . just a year ago. >> inflation falling and on track to be halved and rishi sunak well , from the london sunak well, from the london house of commons to the welsh senate and wales's first minister says whatsapp messages between welsh government officials relating to the pandemic may have been deleted . pandemic may have been deleted. >> mark drakeford was answering questions after messages on the platform between ministers at westminster emerged at the covid inquiry. there's been controversy in scotland too, with messages belonging to the former first minister there, nicola sturgeon also apparently deleted . mr drakeford answered deleted. mr drakeford answered questions on the matter in the senate . senate. >> fairer way of putting it is that deletion may have to take place. i know in my case i've never had any deletion arrangements on the phone because i would have no idea to how make it happen. so so. but i don't use whatsapp either . so

don't use whatsapp either. so i think all i what i, what i, what i don't want to say is that they were not some people working in the welsh government and working on covid who didn't have pre—existing arrangements, which continued after covid began . continued after covid began. >> some breaking news that we've had come to us in the last hour or so. a teenager, we understand, has been arrested after a 15 year old boy was stabbed near a school in leeds in yorkshire. that teenager has been taken to hospital. we understand they're in a critical condition following that assault in horsforth this afternoon. the headteacher of horsforth school saying the boy who was attacked is a former pupil. police cordons remain in place in the area. we'll keep you up to date on that story, of course, if new details come to us. well, the government's been holding an emergency cobra meeting this afternoon to discuss the impact of the israel—hamas conflict on the united kingdom. today marking a month since the

october for the seventh hamas terror attack on israel. and hundreds of people gathering outside downing street as london joined major cities around the world in holding a memorial vigil for those who've died in the conflict . now, more arrests the conflict. now, more arrests are expected in edinburgh in scotland after disorder on bonfire night injured nine emergency service workers, fireworks and petrol bombs were thrown at police and firefighters amid clashes with young people on sunday. the scottish government says 21 crimes were committed in what they've described as totally despicable violence . uk house despicable violence. uk house pnces despicable violence. uk house prices rose for the first time in six months last month, marking the first monthly increase since march , according increase since march, according to the halifax, the average house price jumped by around £3,000. the mortgage lender saying prices rose by about 1% on average. that compares to a fall of 0.3% in september. the typical uk home was valued . at

typical uk home was valued. at £282,000. and lastly, a breakthrough drug is being offered to thousands of women in england to reduce their risk of developing breast cancer for. the nhs says around 300,000 postmen pausal women in england who are at moderate or high risk will be offered the drug. it's called anastrozole, and trials have shown the drug reduces breast cancer cases by 49% over 11 years. among eligible women thatis 11 years. among eligible women that is the latest news on gb news across the uk on your tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> well, thanks for that polly middlehurst i'm sure i just said middlehurst i'm sure ijust said polly mackenzie at the start of that programme . did i? i think that programme. did i? i think i might be losing my marbles, so i do. that's definitely polly middlehurst i don't think she's got in the last five

got married in the last five minutes and changed her name anyway. welcome. anyway. anyway, welcome. i am michelle 7:00 michelle dewberry until 7:00 tonight. mackenzie, the tonight. kelvin mackenzie, the former editor of the sun, keeps me company, as does jim schneider, the co—founder of momentum and former adviser to momentum and a former adviser to jeremy corbyn. good evening, gentlemen . you're very welcome. gentlemen. you're very welcome. tonight, you know, the drill as well on this programme. it's not just about us three. it's very much about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? packed show tonight? we've got a packed show for of course, not. for you guys. of course, not. just goings on in israel just all the goings on in israel , gaza. i want to also , all and gaza. i want to also focus on goings on here, armistice day coming up at the weekend , the protest march weekend, the protest march happening there. should it should it shouldn't . it will. it should it shouldn't. it will. it won't it want to get into all of that. but of course, the state opening well opening of parliament as well today you've of the today. you've seen all of the big ceremony, haven't we, surrounding the king's speech is that good use of our kind of that a good use of our kind of spending tax money this day and age? do we need such a big ceremony like that? and did you see the contents as well of the priority of the government? what do make to it? the right

do you make to it? the right priorities? rishi sunak says he wants sense pride wants to create a sense of pride in britain. that the agenda in britain. is that the agenda to do it? you me. to do it? you tell me. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweet but of tweet me at gb news. but of course i must start my programme with this because we will all know by that it is exactly know by now that it is exactly one month ago since that awful terrorist attack in israel , 1400 terrorist attack in israel, 1400 people were killed over 200 hostages were taken . many of hostages were taken. many of those we still have no idea where they are, quite frankly, and what is even happening with them. there is so much to unpick and unpack on this topic , but i and unpack on this topic, but i want to start by asking my panellists, what do you think to the uk's the uk government's response to what's been going on over the last month? >> well , i'm over the last month? >> well, i'm 100% behind it, which is basically they are complete . 101% on israel's side complete. 101% on israel's side and israel's right to be as tough as they possibly can be and be as quick as they possibly

can be to claim a complete victory . it will be a great victory. it will be a great thing. it'll be a great thing for the uk and even better thing for the uk and even better thing for israel and a fantastic thing for israel and a fantastic thing for the jews of this country and around the world. >> so you're happy with rishi sunak? summary and absolutely 100. >> james no, i think it's been shameful. >> we have essentially given a blank check to the israeli government to carry out the war crimes that we've seen . over crimes that we've seen. over 10,000 palestinians killed, more than a million people displaced from their homes, more than half of the homes in gaza reduced to rubble. this is not a solution that will bring about peace. the only long term solution to this issue is a political solution that ends the decades long dispossession of the palestinian people. there isn't a military solution to it, and it certainly shant solution to it, and it certainly shan't be quick. benjamin netanyahu in an interview last night , said netanyahu in an interview last night, said that in essentially in perpetuity, israel will have

security control over gaza. that means that there will never be as long as he and his his political ilk are in power in israel. there will never be just justice for the palestinians and therefore there will never be true security for israeli ehhen >> so do you see the end to all of this as being some kind of two state solution ? two state solution? >> well, presumably , yes. >> well, presumably, yes. i mean, it's up to the negotiating turns that would take place between the israeli political actors and the palestinian political actors to come up for some kind of just solution that respects the rights of all of the people who live but the people who live there. but unfortunately, you know, we've had 30 years of there should have been a two state solution in and it has been it has been undone and moved away from and progressively so by netanyahu's government. actually, the what we saw on the 7th of october shows the absolute failure of his policy, which has been to

prevent the possibility be of having a palestinian state by supporting hamas in the air in gaza. and expanding the settlements dramatically in the west bank, making a palestinian state not viable in a second. >> i want to show you guys a clip from one of hamas leaders. but before i do that, kelvin , i but before i do that, kelvin, i want to bring you in. what do you think to some of the things that james was just saying there? well it's looking it's looking it through the looking at it through the through the wrong. looking at it through the thr(the the wrong. looking at it through the thr(the wrongrong. looking at it through the thr(the wrong end of the looking >> the wrong end of the looking glass. about the glass. that the truth about the matter is that israel, a two matter is that for israel, a two state solution is a fantastic solution. it gives them secure borders and actually it's not a bad solution for the palestine gazans. however, that moment looks as though it's been kicked into the long and sandy grass for a good period of time. now and because october the 7th cannot just be shrug your shoulders and walk away . right? shoulders and walk away. right? and we still have 242 hostages

on top of whatever else is going on top of whatever else is going on in that in the hellhole of gaza right now. and actually, i am not in favour of a solution that doesn't lead to the destruction of hamas. i am on israel's side to say that we have to kill every single one of them. now, some people say some people say actually hamas is an idea and you can't kill it. that is rubbish. they're a terrorist group. the people of gaza have lived under a military dictatorship . it's called gaza. dictatorship. it's called gaza. now, for this last, what, 17 years or something is about people and killing those people is essential to for the people, for the 2 million people of gaza, those those people of hamas have to die . and i'm hamas have to die. and i'm afraid that some innocent gazans in the same way as hamas , would in the same way as hamas, would wipe out the whole of israel if they were given the chance . and they were given the chance. and let's be honest about it, they

were delighted. and there are also, unfortunately , muslims also, unfortunately, muslims around the world who danced with joy around the world who danced with joy at what they described as a severe punch in the nose for israel. so until every single one of those hamas followers is wiped out, i'm afraid we can't have a proper peace in gaza . have a proper peace in gaza. when that happens, i think we can. >> do you think we can have peace while hamas is still there and in power and all the rest of it? >> well, i certainly don't think we can have peace by the mass scale of killings and the destruction we've seen. >> let's even imagine. let's say you every single you do destroy every single building gaza and you kill building in gaza and you kill every single that's even every single person that's even crossed streets near someone every single person that's even crosshas streets near someone every single person that's even crosshas been reets near someone every single person that's even crosshas been part near someone every single person that's even crosshas been part ofear someone every single person that's even crosshas been part of hamas. one every single person that's even crosshas been part of hamas. do�* that has been part of hamas. do you really think that that that's going to that's going to be any solution? do you really think i mean, firstly, that the palestinian people who will have been shattered by that don't have right to self as well? have the right to self as well? in fact, as every colonised and occupied people, they have under international , right international law, the right to struggle self—determination struggle for self—determination and national in and national liberation in accordance with international

law. and i bet you they would take forward. the that take it forward. the idea that you can end the violence by utterly destroying place is utterly destroying this place is a fantasy. and it's a fantasy which takes us further away from peace.i which takes us further away from peace. i know it's extremely difficult, but after some of the really horrible atrocities that were carried out on the 7th of october to talk about peace, but it is a necessary thing to do. yes of course, for the palestinians, but also for the safety and security of israeli citizens in in israel, because this is not going this is not going to end the conflict. this is perpetuating the conflict. it's taking it into a new phase. it's taking it into a new phase. it could be a new nakba, james, that that it's at that point i don't agree with you. >> i, i obviously, as you can tell, a good bit older than you guys and i think that we have more chance today or in the four seeable future to at a solution which leads to peace in that area than i can remember i know

it's vile and i know it's terrible on both sides or on at least on one side anyway. but i seriously think that both sides will now see that we cannot carry on like this and that there will be a solution which everybody will buy into. so the solution, ian, that the that is either outlined explicitly by the israeli finance minister smotrich or implicitly by the actions and words of all of the leading forces in the israeli government, regardless of party, is that their solution they're envisaging is that the palestinians can can either accept their continuing subjugation to israel, they can leave or they can die, which is what smotrich said. >> now, you might view that as a bafis >> now, you might view that as a basis for peace . i do not view basis for peace. i do not view that as the basis for peace. it's certainly, of course, is not the basis for justice, for peace in the middle of a war. >> what do you expect everybody to say to play their hand out in the middle of in the middle of a battle what will view

battle for what israel will view as their survival and which the hamas actually correctly as hamas actually correctly view as their wouldn't their survival? you wouldn't expect the finance minister or netanyahu to say, here are the terms, is what's going terms, this is what's going to happen. no will be different. happen. no it will be different. it be different. both it will be different. both global and also the global pressure and also the reality of trying to live cheek by jowl with effectively your enemy that will lead to a peaceful solution sooner than sooner for in my view, anyway. and it's just a guess sooner than you might think. >> there's one thing that i do agree with kelvin on, but maybe i'm taking your words in a slightly different way. when you say international pressure, because think that , you because i do think that, you know, israel, the uk government, the us government that are isolated on this, you look at the mass weight of international pubuc the mass weight of international public opinion and also domestic pubuc public opinion and also domestic public opinion and also domestic public opinion in the us and the uk and my only hope is that while israel tries to change the quote, facts on the ground by obliterate ing gaza and

continuing the ethnic cleansing in the west bank and the continued ethnic cleansing . continued ethnic cleansing. >> james, that's unfair. it's hamas cleansing in the west bank. >> a terrorist in the west bank, the terrorist, the illegal, the expansion of the illegal settlements in the west bank, which doesn't have very much hamas. >> f- e to you that under >> i guarantee to you that under a settlement, deal with a settlement, under a deal with israel, what would happen is that many of those settlements will be as they were 30 years ago, were simply knocked down by by the israeli government. and let's face one other thing. there's a lot of criticism about israel, about having a very right wing government. we'll say, if i'm surrounded by my enemies, i'd have right wing enemies, i'd have a right wing government odd years. government after 70 odd years. what what i do think will happen is the same thing that happened in world war in our in the second world war in our country. churchill wing country. churchill a right wing leader, war. what leader, won a great war. what happened? in came a labour happened? 1945. in came a labour government. expect there government. i expect there to be politico once is victory. >> i do think there will be political change when the war slows down or ends simply

because netanya , whose policy because netanya, whose policy has been shown to fail so dramatically and therefore his he was already divisive . i don't he was already divisive. i don't i don't accept and unpopular. i don't stand that well. but i mean, look at the polling. if you look at the polling in israel, if you follow israeli politics, if you if you read the israeli press, all of i israeli press, all of which i do, netanya , who is severely do, netanya, who is severely damaged, i think his political career after this is over and only by the vile, by the vile hamas attack of october 7th, that's what did him in. what did him in is his his long standing policy of treating the palestinians not as a force to be negotiated. yes of course it does. yes, of course. >> he's standing in israel was not caused by by his by his even even the failures of october the 7th. that can be attributed. i'm not sure to him, but certainly to his intelligence, it was due to his intelligence, it was due to the battles that were going on over the civil and the and the judicial aspects of the politics. that's what put him on the back foot, of course. >> i'm talking about the >> but i'm talking about the response after the 7th of

october, because the key the key planks his policy were to not planks of his policy were to not not engage with the palestinians so that they could get a state through a number of different policies. one, support that hamas in the west bank and have a kind of a balance of violence with hamas in in gaza , in the with hamas in in gaza, in the west bank, expand the settlements so that a palestinian state was not viable. and then seek negotiations with other with arab states which exclude the questions of peace with the palestinians in them. this was his this was his policy. subdue the palestine aspect of that was to view the palestinian as as as just a security issue that could be managed. and it turns out that you can't that it doesn't work, that you can't just do that ad infinitum . and so that's that ad infinitum. and so that's why his popularity has sunk since the 7th of october. so i agree with you. when the war cools down, then then he will go . but unfortunately, if you look across the spectrum of israeli politics, it's there's a lot of

very similar policies , a lot of very similar policies, a lot of very similar policies, a lot of very similar policies, a lot of very similar policies. >> israelis , the israelis need >> israelis, the israelis need demand and should have a netanyahu for a war, a war leader. and a peace leader. often two very different things, as you well know, james. well, there you go. >> that's a nice note to end this segment on, because i want to return to just a couple to return to it in just a couple of minutes. you might have noficed of minutes. you might have noticed well, lammy, he noticed as well, david lammy, he wrote open letter today. did wrote an open letter today. did you see that? he was talking about what he was calling israeli in the west israeli settlers in the west bank. to come israeli settlers in the west banand to come israeli settlers in the west banand condemn to come israeli settlers in the west banand condemn that. to come israeli settlers in the west banand condemn that. he'syme israeli settlers in the west banand condemn that. he's had out and condemn that. he's had a bit of a kick in from people saying, well, hang on a second, it only five minutes ago it was only five minutes ago lammy was right with bombing lammy was all right with bombing refugee come refugee camps. so how come you've changed your tune? there does be a little bit of does seem to be a little bit of politicking going doesn't politicking going on, doesn't there? return this there? i want to return to this conversation of conversation in a couple of minutes. also when i come minutes. and i also when i come back, i'll be playing for you a clip that really stopped me in my tracks, actually a couple of days one of the days ago is from one of the hamas he is giving hamas leaders. and he is giving us his insight and reflections onto happened on october us his insight and reflections onto and appened on october us his insight and reflections

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radio. hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, kelvin mackenzie and jim schneider remain. >> now, we started this programme, obviously reflecting on the month that's gone by with the israel—hamas conflict, pondenng the israel—hamas conflict, pondering whether or not you think the uk as a government has got response right or not. got their response right or not. matt says israel has tried to have a two state solution when it comes to resolving all this, but the palestinians, he says, have put the destruction of israel over cell autonomy. ray says neither kevin owen nor james have mentioned iran. surely no one is overlooking the fact this whole war now revolves around iran . in again, there's around iran. in again, there's quite different opinions on whether or not you think that rishi sunak has done a good job in a second, i want to come on

to these potential marches is on armistice day because according to telegraph today , what to the telegraph today, what it's is about of the it's saying is about 50% of the groups that are behind planning some these protests, some of these protests, apparently, according to them, have links to hamas. i mean, i don't even think you could make that up. could you? but i do want to just take a second to reflect on something. had reflect on something. i had a couple days ago. this is one couple of days ago. this is one of the leaders of hamas, ghazi hamad. take listen to this. >> israel salah al—din here, october , carissa omnia ascari . october, carissa omnia ascari. al arabiya, al islamiya and tantawi . al aqsa dan wootton la tantawi. al aqsa dan wootton la ola, dana black , taqi ad—din ola, dana black, taqi ad—din shuhada. >> right. so that was an interview on october the 24th. if you're listening on the

radio, you wouldn't have seen those subtitles. i'll summarise as he's saying that hamas is basically dedicated to the annihilation of he feels annihilation of israel. he feels that fully that the attacks are fully justified. are committed justified. they are committed basically to attacking israel , basically to attacking israel, using force if needed to. they mentioned that actually this october the 7th thing was the first thing they could potentially be a second and a third and all the rest of it. they want to end the occupation on palestinian lands, not on all palestinian lands, not just gaza. and they believe the existence israel is existence of israel is illogical. so i mean, that's what we're dealing with here. it's all well and good talking about how you peace and about how do you get peace and people ceasefires and all people want ceasefires and all the of how can you have the rest of it. how can you have ceasefires, which, way, ceasefires, which, by the way, as a human being, as a mummy who sees imagery and hears of the goings or the awful goings on or the awful situation, it breaks heart. situation, it breaks my heart. innocent people being innocent people in gaza being murdered in same way that it murdered in the same way that it did people israel did innocent people in israel being idea for being murdered. so the idea for of ceasefire sounds good, but the practical reality when you're dealing kind you're dealing with those kind of not sure about of people, not really sure about that. that would even get off the ground. >> are you? it's certainly

>> where are you? it's certainly not. certainly get off not. it's certainly not get off the ground. explains the ground. and it explains israel's massive force against hamas because he won't be alone out there. that guy , he will out there. that guy, he will represent you know what, tens of thousands of people within within gaza . and unless you take within gaza. and unless you take those people out , you are going those people out, you are going to face this problem forever . so to face this problem forever. so you might as well face this. after all, it's israel that's fighting for its survival. do you think that if it went the other way, that there would be one single jew left alive in israel if hamas and people like him had their way ? him had their way? >> i know you are in favour of a ceasefire right ? yeah, of ceasefire right? yeah, of course. when you listen to the hamas leaders like that, because anyone with a heart . right. anyone with a heart. right. i think anyone with a heart understands what's going on. you've innocent people, you've got innocent people, particularly comes to particularly when it comes to the and the children. the babies and the children. it's anyone with it's heartbreaking. anyone with a of humanity would say, a sense of humanity would say, please stop i mean, it please stop that. i mean, it makes chill thinking please stop that. i mean, it makesit. chill thinking please stop that. i mean, it makesit. but ill thinking please stop that. i mean, it makesit. but when thinking please stop that. i mean, it makesit. but when ithinking please stop that. i mean, it makesit. but when i hearing please stop that. i mean, it makesit. but when i hear people

about it. but when i hear people like saying basically, i'm like that saying basically, i'm just going to carry on, we're to going on. well, that was going carry on. well, that was october part one. october the 7th. was part one. you we're going to carry you know, we're going to carry on force until you're on going with force until you're all how do you have all gone. how do you have a ceasefire with people like that? >> i israel to >> so i think israel needs to defend itself, defend its citizens . against the real citizens. against the real violence that could befall them, not necessarily his. this guy's violent bravado. i don't think they have the capacity to do that sort of thing again. but but i mean, you have said they had the capacity to do what they did on october the 7th, prior to october the 7th. >> if i'd have said to you, james, do you reckon they can do all of these assaults from the land, the whatever, land, the air, the whatever, would have sat there and would you have sat there and gone? yes, they've got the capacity that. capacity to do that. >> probably i probably >> no, i probably i probably wouldn't. although i'm not a military expert, think the military expert, but i think the thing that israel thing the thing that israel should is to pull some of the should do is to pull some of the troops that it currently in troops that it currently has in the west that are engaging the west bank that are engaging in . and helping the

in arrests. and helping the continued demolition of homes and so on and so forth. expansion of the settlements, pull those troops out to reinforce the negev , reinforce reinforce the negev, reinforce the kibbutz that are next to gaza and be on heightened defensive alert . of course, you defensive alert. of course, you know, if people are making threats, you need to be on heightened defensive alert. but the idea that you can remove the desire for people to fight by killing lots more children, if you're saying destroying the infrastructure, destroying the schools, destroying the hospitals , those children, it's hospitals, those children, it's hamas who are embedding themselves whether themselves within the whether it's hospitals or homes , it's hospitals or homes, community facilities. >> they are even the un said that hamas are using its own citizens as human shields. so in a second, we're going to come on to these marches. but what i don't understand is if everyone wants peace and they want ceasefires and they want all of the palestinians to be free and all rest of why are all the rest of it, why are people not more critical of hamas? >> i think people are perfectly me plenty critical of hamas.

me and plenty critical of hamas. i don't see anybody saying, oh, no, are a fabulous no, hamas are a fabulous progressive organisation that represent all of the values of peace, justice and dignity that we want. i don't really see anybody doing that, but we have to take the brute reality is , to take the brute reality is, you know, you heard me being very critical and i'll continue to be very critical of the far right israeli government. they need to be part of the peace as well. i would be saying exactly the same thing if i'm sitting in a palestinian television station and saying how on earth and they're saying how on earth can make peace with the with can we make peace with the with these people? look what they've said. they're president. they're so—called . so—called centre left president. it that it wasn't hamas. it it said that it wasn't hamas. it was that's was an entire nation that's responsible. we meant to responsible. how are we meant to make with these people make peace with these people that wish to wipe us out? i would say that's you would still say that's what you have yes they are trying have to do. yes they are trying to kill you. they are. and if you're sitting you can you're sitting in gaza, you can see the israelis are trying to are trying to kill you. nevertheless thing to nevertheless yes. the thing to do for the future, for the future of yourself, your family, your children, community,

your children, your community, your children, your community, your is to seek the your people, all is to seek the path of peace. and that is what thatis path of peace. and that is what that is what we have to see. >> i mean, ijust shown that is what we have to see. >> i mean, i just shown you one of their leaders there, some of these people. >> i mean, so he's he's he's a much lower down leader than, for example, isaac herzog, the president finance president or the finance minister quoted or netanyahu minister of quoted or netanyahu or on so forth. or so on and so forth. >> more than more than just him. >> more than more than just him. >> you can make you can make you can start with a can make a start with a ceasefire. so for example, i think was weeks ago, i think it was two weeks ago, i think it was two weeks ago, i think hamas said that they would release some foreign hostages for five day ceasefire. that for a five day ceasefire. that could point . i'm could be a starting point. i'm not that that that is not saying that that that is going to be a solution. but you have to start somewhere. we have to start somewhere. and we aren't going to be saving if it isn't from the point even from the point of view of israel, it isn't saving the lives of israeli citizens to be killing more palestinian children. right. it just is not amnesty. >> armistice day protests . i >> armistice day protests. i mean, i worry immense , highly mean, i worry immense, highly about this weekend . and because

about this weekend. and because i personally i'm worried that things are going to, you know, kick off, escalate and kick off. do you think these protests should be allowed to happen ? should be allowed to happen? >> i think they should. and the only reason i say that and it's with a heavy heart that i say it is that i am fearful that in the event that the government decides to ban it, event that the government decides to ban it , everybody decides to ban it, everybody turns up anyway . and not only turns up anyway. and not only does everybody turn up who has a political view, there will also be others who will turn up with intending to create proper violence on our streets. and if we saw law and order begin to collapse over this issue , then collapse over this issue, then if i were jewish, i would be very worried about leaving my home. do you think their hate marches as i think there is hate in the heart of some of the marchers is i wouldn't say it was a hate march, but the trouble is it's not going to be

70,000 with all this publicity and with the religious aspect to it, i would expect there it would not surprise me if there weren't a hundred thousand couple of protesters on our streets in london that is an enormous pressure on the police. but it's better that if it is an official march than it becomes unofficial. and something else breaks out. i read really am fearful of this march being banned. >> do you think that the march should happen on armistice day ? should happen on armistice day? >> yes, i absolutely do. i think that there needs to be a ceasefire for the reasons that we have been discussing . and i we have been discussing. and i think that it's perfectly appropriate on a day that we remember those who died in war and we commemorate at the moment when the guns fell silent at the end of the slaughter of world war i to after that, the demonstration start after, you know, after 11:00, after the

minute's silence, it goes nowhere near the cenotaph and all of the organisers are extremely respectful of that because according to the telegraph today, 50% of the organisers have links to hamas. i honestly wouldn't not believe or repeat it. a lot of what you will read in the telegraph on a whole range of matters, including this. >> who are they making that up? >> who are they making that up? >> i don't know. but the palestine solidarity campaign has no links to hamas. palestine solidarity campaign has no links to hamas . stop the has no links to hamas. stop the war coalition . it has no links. war coalition. it has no links. >> i tell you what, i don't. i don't enjoy. i don't enjoy the idea that tommy robinson has now that he's got his x, his x twitter feed back has now you know, has tweeted something which could be could be a call to the extreme right wing of our country to come down to the demonstration . demonstration. >> you see there's more to be said on these marches as i need to squeeze in a break. but i

want to come back some of the things that have been going on in these marches have really caught my eye. i found them deeply, deeply disturbing. and i want to get stuck some of want to get stuck into some of that i'm tall constantly that because i'm tall constantly that because i'm tall constantly that these things are just peaceful merely peaceful people, that merely just ceasefire. i'll tell just want a ceasefire. i'll tell you i don't believe in you why i don't believe that. in a minutes, but i want a couple of minutes, but i want your thoughts on in a sec .

news radio. well, hello there. >> welcome back, michelle drew, bristol 7:00 tonight kelvin mackenzie, former editor of the sun, and james schneider, co—founder of momentum and former advisor to jeremy corbyn, remain alongside me. now, we were just talking about the planned pro—palestine marches that are scheduled for armistice day. we had a brief conversation about that and i want to return to it in just a second. but i want to bring you in. edmund was i'm asking whether or not you think this march should be allowed to. go ahead, edmund says legal protest,

says to ban any legal protest, march into the march simply plays into the hands protesters, as the hands of protesters, as the answer allow the march, answer is to allow the march, but clearly dictate it can but clearly dictate where it can take wallace has let the take place. wallace has let the march go ahead, but make the organisers responsible for any damage. et cetera. john damage. injuries et cetera. john the right to protest is the fundamental right as we know it. but he says he's concerned about the beliefs of some of the people protesting and therefore he feels that should be postponed for a week . that have postponed for a week. that have to say a lot of people have that view that you shouldn't ban the marches. david says, well, france has successfully banned the marches, so why can't we? philip says, do not confuse these marches with speech. these marches with free speech. they promoting terrorism and they are promoting terrorism and giving hamas the green light. they should be. no marches allowed anywhere in the country on armistice day, says darren. no matter what the cause , all no matter what the cause, all protests should be illegal on that day, carol says. well, the real question is how on earth do you stop them? our government is a disgrace and basically they

care about nothing, yvonne says this is disgusting and disrespect ful. don this is disgusting and disrespectful. don says this is disgusting and disrespect ful. don says ban the disrespectful. don says ban the march . ray says they're calling march. ray says they're calling out football lads to come out against extremism. things are going to get nasty. mark says, please, can we just have armistice day? it's one of the last bits of history. we all come together and respect. um, i have a concern, right? so i am not someone that thinks that everyone on these marches is a hate filled, nasty piece of work. i think when you've got hundreds of thousands of people coming this, coming together like this, potentially, possible potentially, it's not possible that them are wrong ends. that all of them are wrong ends. and i'm sure many and i'm sure that many people have sentiment just have the sentiment that we just express, which is you've got innocent being killed. innocent kids being killed. who wants right thinking wants that? which right thinking person innocent kids person would want innocent kids to being slaughtered? to carry on being slaughtered? so i get the sentiment of most people on the march is a peaceful one. but not not withstanding are withstanding that there are things on these marches things going on at these marches that have concern over . that i have a deep concern over. i'm just going to play you a couple of things that have caught my eye on some of these

protest marches so far. let's have a little look back. >> i'll ask again , do you >> i'll ask again, do you condemn hamas. >> yes. do you condemn hamas? thatis >> yes. do you condemn hamas? that is one of the gatherings you had there, response there, which was no , i shall continue . which was no, i shall continue. yeah yeah . they're yeah yeah. they're free. free palestine signs didn't look very peaceful to me. and look at this one. this one, i have to say, is a key one for me. i'm going to play a key one for me. i'm going to play it to the and if you're listening, i'll describe it in a sec. wow, that's me . sec. wow, that's me. >> you . >> you. >> you. >> you. >> you . >> you. just you . why you . listen. you. why you. listen. >> listen . shame on you . shame

>> listen. shame on you. shame shame , shame on you . shame, shame on you. >> you don't. >> you don't. >> all right, so if you're listening on the radio, you didn't see that sign? that was basically a fella in the middle of one of the march. i've got to say. quite brave guy, actually stating i would call a stating what i would call a fact. he had a big sign on it above his head saying hamas is terrorist. all terrorist. basically all the shouting had then was shouting that you had then was people that are pro—palestine free palestine shoving him, trying knock the trying to whack him, knock the sound stamping sound out of his hand, stamping all screaming in his all over it, screaming in his face, on you. well, i got face, shame on you. well, i got to honest, i think shame on to be honest, i think shame on you. actually, the grown adults that stand trying that stand there trying to intimidate and threaten. and actually, say, be actually, i would say, be violent towards someone is violent towards someone that is pointing all of pointing out a fact. all of those on that march those people on that march should be with that should be agreeing with that sentiment. hamas are terrorists. what are doing is what they are doing is absolutely wrong. and i worry

that too many people on these marches while saying that they are pro—palestine and pro—peace, they are missing out a crucial fact which is they should also be condemning loud , oddly anti be condemning loud, oddly anti hamas sentiments and demanding a peaceful ending to this and demanding the release. the safe release of hostages. those sentiments are missing. >> so i've been on a number of these peace marches and protests and demonstrations and of course, on any day, any mass gathering of people, there is some, you know, some fringe bad behaviour , but that doesn't look behaviour, but that doesn't look very fringe to me. >> should we condemn hamas ? no, >> should we condemn hamas? no, that won't. >> okay. so but i can go on what i've i've seen and i've been been to a number i haven't seen anything remotely like that at all. and also, you know, it's also been said that these are that jewish people should be frightened of them. i'm jewish. i didn't find them frightening in the slightest. and they're calling for a ceasefire for and

national liberation for the palestinian people, which is the only solution to this ongoing, you know, many decades long now conflict in conflict in west asia. so you know, that that is generally what you see when you go to these things. now, when you're talking about the demands, why is the march on saturday going to go past the us embassy? why are the demands on ceasefire and focussed on israel? it's because our government and the us government that are supporting israel in its ongoing war crimes. we have no connection to these. the atrocities that were committed by hamas . we aren't funding by hamas. we aren't funding hamas . we aren't providing hamas. we aren't providing diplomatic cover to hamas, but we do help arm israel and we are providing systematic cover. so if we wish to work for peace in this country as an ordinary person, yeah, all you can do is to raise your voice, to call for the government to call for a

ceasefire, which means intervening with its ally, israel. but if you truly care about the well—being of the palestinian person , then what palestinian person, then what hamas is doing song to them. >> just in this single scenario alone, i mean there's loads more examples i could use. you've got all these hamas leaders that have extreme wealth that are sitting in places like qatar leaving their population, you know, literally to the dogs. you have got hamas that are using their population as human shields. so i just don't get why if everyone is so passionate about the palestinian people and you have every right to be, why are you not so passionate in condemning the people that are causing them harm, i.e. people that are causing them harm? >> are the israeli pulling the trigger to drop the bombs ? is trigger to drop the bombs? is the us providing the f—16s from which to drop the bombs and the diplomatic cover from from western states? >> well, there you go. you know, i'm going to bring you in at home. you can have the final say on massive day in uk

on that. a massive day in uk politics well today because politics as well today because the state opening of parliament of king's speech. of course, the king's speech. did it? what you make did you see it? what do you make to i'll see you .

in two. i in two. »- in two. >> coming up on tonight with me, mark dolan, after a poppy selling war veteran was allegedly assaulted by pro—palestinian supporters , is pro—palestinian supporters, is it time for police to get tough by banning marches on remembrance weekend? plus, the latest on royal snub gate as angela levin reveals the truth about harry and meghan's claim that they were never invited to the king's birthday celebrations . join me for two hours of feisty debate. 9 to 11 on gb news . news. >> hi there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. kelvin mackenzie. mackenzie. what am i getting everyone's names wrong tonight? jim schneider remain alongside me again. that situation about the march and armistice day. peter said it

absolutely should be stopped . if absolutely should be stopped. if nothing else, just to show that the police do have some control over what goes on in our country , steve says. amis des amis day basically is very sacred. he doesn't want it to be disrupted by anything at all. whether that's pro—palestinian or anything else, he says. all marches should be banned . we marches should be banned. we didn't even get on to the fact, by the way, that apparently a former hamas leader who lives in london, this country sometimes boggles my mind because how can it be that you prescribe an organisation as a terrorist organisation as a terrorist organisation when you're supporting country ? apparently supporting a country? apparently it's against and it's a fight against them and you someone been you allow someone that's been massively influential in that organisation to live in the country. what am i missing? get in touch and tell me. well, gone mad sometimes if you ask me. anyway. big day in uk politics today, of course. king charles is. it was his speech and the state opening of parliament did you see it? michel all has got in touch. one of my viewers saying that you absolutely love the pomp and ceremony. it has been admired the world over

been admired by the world over talking about the king's speech there. it was certainly a show . there. it was certainly a show. ihave there. it was certainly a show. i have to give you that. but what about the substance? some of the things that was actually in kelvin, feel in it, kelvin, did you feel proud? i bring it up whilst proud? i can bring it up whilst we're talking by the way. i'll p0p we're talking by the way. i'll pop on the screen in case pop it up on the screen in case you're familiar with some you're not familiar with some of the aspects it. but were you the aspects of it. but were you proud? is this the right priorities for the government? >> the truth about >> well, look, the truth about the is people say it's the matter is people say it's thin gruel. absolutely i don't agree that. i mean, the agree with that. i mean, the idea we're going to get idea that we're going to get some oil, much needed oil some more oil, much needed oil out of the north sea, the idea that renters will get some that that renters will get some some kind of ability to stay in their place if landlords is just want to chuck them out unless they want to sell the house. of course, whether that there are, i think 21 separate bills there's plenty of interesting stuff in there. and i what i what i dislike is the sense that the big issue of our time is the

economy . the economy will be economy. the economy will be deau economy. the economy will be dealt with on november the 22nd in the autumn budget. so it's no good. starmer's only answer being, oh, well, look , you've being, oh, well, look, you've run you've run out of ideas or the truth about the matter is that there are plenty of ideas there and actually all of whom, one of which is a great idea, which of course is the one that i'm sure james will agree with that that when the national rail strikes can't take place anymore because because the train operators have got to run 40. and if the employers don't turn up because they say they're on strike, fantastic. the unions get fined £1 million. and actually when they don't pay that, it'll turn out to be 10 million. then there'll be bankrupted happy days that will also apply to border force and to ambulance people. the idea to ambulance people. so the idea that that piece of that that major piece of legislation is thin gruel, i think starmer should get out more . more. >> are you happy with the content ? content? >> no, of course not. there's nothing that's going to improve

the living standards for the vast majority of people . we've vast majority of people. we've had now 13, 13, nearly 13.5 years of this government and most people are worse off. and there's really nothing in these 21 bits of legislation that is going to make people make people better off, make people's lives eafien better off, make people's lives easier. there are a few things i will i'll agree with. kelvin i'll give the two bits on housing, the renters reform which ends no fault evictions section 21 support that and the leasehold. it's a small tweak to the to the leasehold, but that's you know, that's a good one. but you know, that's a good one. but you know, that's a good one. but you know, we're talking about small improvements in a pretty fundamentally broken housing market. some of the economic stuff will probably come to kelvin's point in the autumn budget. >> but all the rest of it imminently. >> but you also do need some >> but you also do need so some of it you can do with a finance bill. yeah, but some of it you need other legislation for, which is why some of that should

appean which is why some of that should appear. you know, should appear in here. so but anyway, leaving this all aside that you know, i don't think it's going to do anything for people's pockets and so on. we're meant to be proud of it. there isn't even a story. there isn't even a narrative. there isn't a there isn't a thing. it does feel, is there is it does feel pretty it does feel pretty tired and also a bit bitty. like, you know, the automated vehicles bill might be goodi automated vehicles bill might be good i don't know a legal framework self driving cars framework for self driving cars but but it's not all circus stuff is it? >> it's not all playing a trombone and everything. there is hard work to be done in governments and i'm sure that in time labour may well do the same. >> well, i mean, i've got to disagree with them that there is a story. >> it is all about, i would argue, things like being tough on and order, being more on law and order, being more self reliant on when it comes to creating our own energy, etcetera. so there is a story, but me it was a story that but to me it was a story that was that should have was obvious that should have perhaps already been the case. so far, particularly when you

talk should be out talk about who should be out of prison and how long prison and when and how long they should be in there for anyway, it will on picking anyway, it will be on picking all detail on some of all of the detail on some of those aspects on tomorrow night's show. for now, that night's show. but for now, that is i've got time for. is all i've got time for. turning viewers says he's turning my viewers says he's very enjoyed very much enjoyed the conversations two conversations between you two tonight. much. tonight. so thank you very much. thank at home for watching. thank you. at home for watching. but for now , it is all i've got but for now, it is all i've got time for . do but for now, it is all i've got time for. do not go but for now, it is all i've got time for . do not go anywhere, time for. do not go anywhere, though, nigel farage will be up next. but from me it is. good night. see you tomorrow. >> hello again . very good >> hello again. very good evening to you. it's alex burkill here with your latest gb weather forecast. whilst tonight we'll get off to a bit of a chilly start. wind and rain is going to push its in later going to push its way in later lifting temperatures. it's going to push its way in later lif'association1peratures. it's going to push its way in later lif'association 1pera a res. it's going to push its way in later lif'association 1pera a frontal in association with a frontal system that's pushing its way in from the atlantic. this will sweep way as we go sweep its way eastwards as we go into wednesday. but ahead of that, we have clear skies across many places. these many places. and under these clear temperatures taking clear skies, temperatures taking a a dip during the start a bit of a dip during the start of the night and some mist and fog is possible before the wind and rain pushes its way in as we

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by way. >> good evening. the first kings speech for over 70 years. rishi sunak's first will it be his last? has he done enough to convince voters that he really is the agent for change? and forget about me being debunked? we're going to uncover the true natwest scandal. how this is costing us, the taxpayer , tens costing us, the taxpayer, tens of billions of pounds as the bosses have walked away with over £50 million and italy strikes a deal with albania to send 36,000 people that cross the mediterranean straight to albania for processing. could we learn a tomb , a thing or two learn a tomb, a thing or two from italy or will the echr intervene there as well? all of that. intervene there as well? all of that . but first, let's get the that. but first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst .

news with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the labour leader has criticised the first king's speech to parliament in 70 years by saying the only fight left in the government is the fight for their own skin . the fight for their own skin. earlier, king charles outlined the prime minister's legislative agenda for the year ahead amid traditional pomp and pageantry, the speech included measures on tougher sentences for murderers and a ban on leaseholds for new houses in england and wales. sir keir starmer said the conservatives were severing britain's future. but rishi sunak responded by saying the new measures would change the country for the better . now the country for the better. now the government says it will carefully consider any application by police to prevent protests planned for remembrance weekend . and the metropolitan weekend. and the metropolitan police is asking organisers to urgently reconfirm mid—air demonstrations planned in london for the weekend because of their assessment of the risk of violence escalating. but the pro—palestinian coalition are

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