news with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the labour leader has criticised the first king's speech to parliament in 70 years by saying the only fight left in the government is the fight for their own skin . the fight for their own skin. earlier, king charles outlined the prime minister's legislative agenda for the year ahead amid traditional pomp and pageantry, the speech included measures on tougher sentences for murderers and a ban on leaseholds for new houses in england and wales. sir keir starmer said the conservatives were severing britain's future. but rishi sunak responded by saying the new measures would change the country for the better . now the country for the better. now the government says it will carefully consider any application by police to prevent protests planned for remembrance weekend . and the metropolitan weekend. and the metropolitan police is asking organisers to urgently reconfirm mid—air demonstrations planned in london for the weekend because of their assessment of the risk of violence escalating. but the pro—palestinian coalition are

refusing to cancel the march. police could request that it's bannedif police could request that it's banned if there's a threat to a threat of rather serious public disorder. a spokesperson for the prime minister said he doesn't think it's right for the protest to be scheduled on armistice day . meanwhile, senior government figures have been holding an emergency cobra meeting in downing street today to discuss the impact of the israel—hamas conflict on the uk . today marks conflict on the uk. today marks a month since the october the 7th. hamas terror attack on israel. hundreds of people gathering outside downing street earlier as london joined major cities around the world in holding a memorial vigil for those who've died in the conflict . wales first minister conflict. wales first minister says whatsapp messages between welsh government officials relating to the pandemic may have been deleted . mark have been deleted. mark drakeford was answering questions after messages on the platform between ministers at westminster emerged at the covid inquiry. there's been controversy in scotland too,

with messages belonging to the former first minister there. nicola sturgeon also apparently deleted . mr drakeford said he deleted. mr drakeford said he didn't know to how use the platform . and lastly, a teenager platform. and lastly, a teenager has been arrested after a 15 year old boy was stabbed near a school in leeds. this afternoon. the teenager has been taken to hospital in a critical condition following the assault in horsforth this afternoon . the horsforth this afternoon. the headteacher of horsforth school says the boy who was attacked is a former pupil. police cordons remain in place in the area and more arrests are expected in edinburgh after disorder on bonfire night. injured nine. emergency service workers. fireworks and petrol bombs were thrown at police and firefighters amid clashes with young people on sunday. the scottish government says 21 crimes were committed in what they've described as totally despicable violence this year, with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio

and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . well the britain's news channel. well the state opening of parliament really is a magnet, state opening of parliament really is a magnet , decent thing. >> and there was the king sitting on the throne wearing his crown, delivering the speech. here is how he began. >> it is mindful of the legacy of service and devotion to this country set by my beloved mother, the late queen that i deliver this the first king's speech in over 70 years. the impact of covid and the war in ukraine have created significant long term challenges for the united kingdom . that is why my united kingdom. that is why my government's priority is to make the difficult. but necessary long term decisions to change this country for the better . this country for the better. >> that was his first king's speech. but will it be rishi

sunak last king's speech is a big question here was the prime minister later on this afternoon in the house of commons. >> now, mr speaker, this king's speech builds on the strong foundation of economy, well, on its way to recovery. it rejects big government and instead backs people and businesses to thrive. it strengthens society with historic measures to support the nation's health and education. it secures our streets and borders with tougher sentences for criminals and powers for police, and above all this, king's speech delivers change. changein king's speech delivers change. change in our economy, change in our society, change in our communities. it takes long term decisions for a brighter future , decisions for a brighter future, and i commend it to this house. >> well, there you are. after 13.5 years in power, they are the party of change and keir starmer went very much on the attack against the home secretary . secretary. >> we have a party be so devoid of leadership. it is happy to follow a home secretary who

describes homelessness as a lifestyle choice . and believes lifestyle choice. and believes that the job of protecting us all from extremists, the most bafic all from extremists, the most basic job of government, is legitimate terrain. for her divisive brand of politics. mr speaker , as director of public speaker, as director of public prosecutions , i worked closely prosecutions, i worked closely with the police and counter—terrorism forces. their job is hard enough already without the home secretary using it as a platform for her own ambitions . so i say to the prime ambitions. so i say to the prime minister, think . think very minister, think. think very carefully about what she is committing your government to do and think very carefully about the consequences of putting greater demands on public servants at the coalface of keeping us safe.7 yes because without a serious home

secretary, there can be no serious government and he cannot be a serious prime minister >> funny thing is , all the >> funny thing is, all the things suella says actually have majority public support in the country. but hey now, i think what today was , was the firing what today was, was the firing gun for the next general election . and i'm joined by gb election. and i'm joined by gb news political editor christopher hope. chris that's what it's all about, isn't it.7 these 21 bills that were laid out , it's all these 21 bills that were laid out, it's all about this is what we're going to fight the general election on. no question. >> a quarter of them about law and order. you saw there suella braverman sitting right next to the pm rishi sunak in the house of commons. for that's reason. of commons. for that's a reason. you these these visuals you know how these these visuals work, work. work, these image makers work. she's she knows. she's there because she knows. they know they've got a story to tell. reported is down at tell. reported crime is down at record nigel according record lows. nigel according to the because we've the ons, that's because we've given reporting crime in my view. >> but go on, go on. >> okay, but the figures are good for the government. they want and stress the point want to try and stress the point that on to some that you might come on to some areas the edges, they

areas around the edges, but they areas around the edges, but they are life means life in are saying life means life in the serious cases. and the most serious cases. and their sentencing the their sentencing bill, the criminal justice new powers criminal justice bill new powers to crime, forced to tackle complex crime, forced criminals to hear their sentence. i think it's quite you know, it might work. think know, it might work. i think there's bills for that there's 21 bills for me that is a that gives you a timetable towards next election. and for me, means he's going me, that means he's going very long possibly. think long indeed. possibly. i think now i think for the first time until january 2025, i think he's going full distance constitutionally as far as they can go. that's right. late january 20th, 25. i think he's going down those stairs every single day. number 10, downing street. haven't been street. nigel, you haven't been there have you.7 when there yet, have you? but when you there, eventually and you do go there, eventually and your political career, even your long political career, even your long political career, even your news you climb your career gb news as you climb those stairs, all those pms look down on with their dates down on you with their dates below. when you are rishi below. now when you are rishi sunak, far behind sunak, if you're so far behind the polls, i'm going to guess this, looking at this, but if you're looking at those he wants these those dates, he wants these dates as as possible. interesting >> now, the problem he's got, i think, is change, change, change. we saw at the end of that clip, he is the agent of

change after 13.5 years. how on earth can they even begin to expect anyone's going to believe that? >> you know as well as i do, the tory party changed its it's leader every three years. it's like a snake that changes its skin sometimes three times in one year. >> over the piece over >> indeed, over the piece over the past years, on average, the past 13 years, on average, five of these its changing its skin like a snake and that allows reshape appeal allows it to reshape its appeal to electorate. to the electorate. >> not. is not as >> labour has not. is not as able to change leader as quickly and that's why it's stuck up and stuck behind that. >> change in 2019 from >> they did change in 2019 from being deeply reluctant at the leadership about brexit into being gung for brexit and won an 80 seat majority. surprise surprise. but i don't see where the change is here other than saying we're going to get a bit tougher on law and order and banned smoking. where's the change? >> yeah, well, there's some interesting messages in there on brexit. maybe they've deal brexit. maybe they've got a deal to more trade, more to do more, more trade, more trade arrangements with with japan, malaysia, brunei . japan, peru, malaysia, brunei. they're banning the exports of live, live animal exports. it's around the edges.

>> i mean, none of it's new. >> the brexit campaign that you fought won 2016, many fought and you won in 2016, many were say, why isn't this were still say, why isn't this government those government gripping those opportunities out opportunities that were laid out there opportunities that were laid out the and for keir starmer, as you >> and for keir starmer, as you say, a big attack on the home secretary, you kind of that secretary, you kind of feel that starmer just feels with a 20 point lead all he has to do is play point lead all he has to do is play it safe. >> well, quite. but that's damaging, of course. i mean, he is not over the line yet on having an agreement on his gaza position. rumours about the snp could opposition could use an opposition day debate force a vote debate next week to force a vote on a ceasefire or not. on whether a ceasefire or not. tory is happy with that. snp very happy labour not so and mps, a problem mps, they'll have a problem putting name against putting their name against things which they electorate will i think though the will see. i think though the suella braverman going back to her, the issue she retweeted a word worded tweet that weekend about about lifestyle choices and tents for homeless people. that's because the vagrancy bill is was in the housing department is was in the housing department is now in home now is attached to this big criminal justice bill. and that's why it's her problem. i think that some of it

may come in because there is measures in there to try and tackle aggressive begging. >> did you feel as they filed out that was a mood of out that there was a mood of optimism, slightly more optimism amongst tory mp's? a two amongst tory mp's? it's a two part this. part play this. >> on a two part play. >> you're on a two part play. the first part this nothing the first part is this nothing is surprising today. the second part is the 22nd of november when you're to have the when you're going to have the autumn will you have autumn statement will you have any the any will he being the chancellor, jeremy have any chancellor, jeremy hunt have any space for tax cuts? show any leg on going with on where he's going with tax cuts the following day? cuts by the following day? provisional date is the migration stats last year. migration stats for last year. wow that's a big week in. wow so that's a big week in. wow. >> wi e“- e“— w is a big week. well, >> no, it is a big week. well, we'll have to see whether the uninspiring chancellor can inspire you. inspire chris hope. thank you. well, you what well, let me tell you what really got me down about this king's speech last life means life. let's see rishi saying it . life. let's see rishi saying it. >> tougher sentences for rapists and sex offenders, something that the party opposite voted against. mr speaker. and for the worst offenders , life finally worst offenders, life finally means life, all while the leader of the opposition in the front

bench. >> well, there we are . you see, >> well, there we are. you see, life means life. now ever since the death penalty was abolished in the late 1960s, we were told then we can get rid of the death penalty because those that commit murder will serve a full life sentence in prison. except they didn't. so in 1983, margaret thatcher stood up and said, in future , life means life said, in future, life means life , death. and then john major as prime minister in the mid 90s stood up and said, life means life. then david cameron said the most heinous offences, life will mean life. theresa may proposed measures to ensure that life sentences meant life for those who committed the most serious terrorist offences and bofis serious terrorist offences and boris johnson promised that those convicted of violent crimes such as child murder should receive life means life sentences. they'd been saying it over and over , and they're

over and over, and they're saying it because they want you to think they're going to get tough on law and order and yet what was included in today's king's speech was the fact that 30,000 criminals will now avoid jail every single year. yes, that's right . 30,000 people with that's right. 30,000 people with convictions will avoid jail. we're not to going send anybody to jail who gets a sentence of less than one year unless it is in some way violent or sexual, in some way violent or sexual, in which case actually the sentence would be more than a year anyway. it is, frankly a shop lifters charter for and for those that understand crime and how it works , whether it gets how it works, whether it gets reported or not. you know, the broken windows theory that was put into place in new york said the way you have lots and lots of little pieces of small crime, actually the whole area gets worse and leads to more violent crime. the idea somehow that we can promise life means life

without ever really intending to deliver it whilst at the same time saying that 30,000 people a year will not go to prison. sorry, doesn't fly with me. let me know what you think. does this get your vote? farage at gbnews.com chris hope you see my point . point. >> yeah, you make a good point. they know this in the documents attached to this to the king's speech. they say they are grasping the nettle. they're legislating presumption to legislating for a presumption to suspend sentences of less than 12 months if you offend again in that period, in jail. that period, you're in jail. because problem there's because the problem is there's no left to his no jail space left to his credit. you're right. sell those points . credit. you're right. sell those points. nigel credit. you're right. sell those points . nigel farage. but to his points. nigel farage. but to his credit, is trying to credit, he is trying to recognise what happening recognise that what is happening ? you jail everyone ? you can't jail everyone anymore because there's no jail space, right? >> and therefore what >> and therefore for what happens is we live in a less safe society , a society in which safe society, a society in which we're more fearful to walk down the street reported crime is down. >> look, look at the figures i insist we don't even bother to report the crimes, report crime. even the crimes, even crime survey, even even on the crime survey, even

on perception crime. on perception of crime. >> down to. well, if >> that's down to. well, if crime is down, why are the prisons full? i mean, for the prisons full? i mean, as for the home does not accept home office does not accept that, just don't buy the that, but i just don't buy the narrative. i mean, take narrative. and i mean, take london, take london. there is no doubt there has been a serious deterioration of law and order in london in a very major way. and it isn't just knife crime in the poorer suburbs. you know , the poorer suburbs. you know, it's kensington and chelsea and people having their watches stolen. and i'm told there's a similar pattern in birmingham , similar pattern in birmingham, liverpool and elsewhere. i'm not impressed by this. and i don't think the back benchers are going to like this either. is it bravery, though? >> is he not being brave? the term used in a government document is where grasping the nettle we're passing law nettle we're passing a law to deal with this. nettle we're passing a law to deawe're this. nettle we're passing a law to deawe're grasping nettle. >> we're grasping the nettle. >> we're grasping the nettle. >> dodged for pm's and >> it's been dodged for pm's and leaders shoplift guys and we won't anything you. won't do anything to you. >> buy it. chris hope. >> i don't buy it. chris hope. thank very much indeed. thank you very much indeed. well, moment we'll well, in a moment we'll get a conservative voice and a labour voice on today's king's speech

news radio. >> well, some of you are rather mixed reaction, shall we say, to the king's speech. >> alison says, great speech with no substance. collins says the king's speech was a waste of time and money. no one believes sunak no one believes starmer, no one believes a word that sitting mps say anymore. the trust is gone for good. colin, let me promise you, old son, you are not on your own right at the moment. and another anonymously says, what speech? oh, i forgot about it already . ready now to about it already. ready now to discuss the king's speech, i'm joined by james daly , joined by james daly, conservative member of parliament for bury north and paul richards, lifelong labour activist and former adviser to two labour cabinet ministers james daly. let's think about this as a regulator has been brought in for football because of bury football club. now there's a smoking ban coming in and property rights for people

who own leasehold properties or rent properties are being restricted. i would say this was a pretty good labour budget as opposed to no, this is what i would honestly i would expect after the first king's speech, a labour chancellor to put these sort of things around the house. >> nigel, can i just say in terms of the bury thing because bury was actually mentioned in the king's speech the football regulator brought in because regulator was brought in because of to bury of what happened to bury football club my football club in my constituency, £1 constituency, i've secured £1 million save one of the million to save one of the oldest stadiums in the oldest football stadiums in the country, which benefits thousands of people. >> to your >> and we came to your constituency we covered constituency and we covered the absolutely important thing. >> affects thousands absolutely important thing. >> people. affects thousands absolutely important thing. >> people. no, affects thousands absolutely important thing. >> people. no, no, cts thousands absolutely important thing. >>people. no, no, no.thousands absolutely important thing. >>people. no, no, no. i|ousands absolutely important thing. >>people. no, no, no. i getands of people. no, no, no. i get that. don't think we should criticise. >> but i mean, the idea of big state regulators, think of state regulators, we think of normally as being more of a labour a conservative labour thing than a conservative thing, don't we? >> when you've had the >> well, when you've had the postbag with postbag that i've had with hundreds, thousands of hundreds, if not thousands of people who've had something taken their lives, is taken from their lives, which is very social very important to the social heartbeat and the economic heartbeat and the economic heartbeat the heartbeat of a town in the north of england, it's a good of england, i think it's a good move. think it's something

move. i think it's something that i think we that was needed. i think we could talk about football forever. some of the big things and bans, property forever. some of the big things and restricted.|s, property forever. some of the big things and restricted. well, perty rights restricted. well, you know, fault know, property rights, no fault divorces, divorces, no fault divorces, no divorces, no fault evictions, respect evictions, forgive me in respect of so there's some of that. so i think there's some some merits in some of the things we doing. we are things that we are doing. we are the party private. are the the party of private. we are the property, the party of private industry, of entrepreneurial ism. and don't see anything in ism. and i don't see anything in these measures that challenge that. nigel i to that. nigel no, and i speak to that. nigel no, and i speak to that one dastardly that as one of those dastardly mps who actually has a second job. i actually work and have a firm of solicitors as firm of solicitors when i, as well being mp and people well as being an mp and people who watch this may disagree with well as being an mp and people who iso ch this may disagree with well as being an mp and people who iso cido is may disagree with well as being an mp and people who iso cido actually isagree with well as being an mp and people who iso cido actually knowe with well as being an mp and people who iso cido actually know what] that. so i do actually know what employing people. >> no problem with that. >> i have no problem with that. you know, if you're working 60, 70 a week, can do both 70 hours a week, you can do both jobs. quick thought, james, jobs. fine quick thought, james, before to paul. change, before i go to paul. change, change, change. that big change, change. that was the big sunak message. this isn't really a for change, a king's speech for change, is it? i spend a lot of my time >> i spend a lot of my time knocking on doors. i get thousands of surveys sent back to me, all various things, and do know what their recurring do you know what their recurring theme are some theme is? yes there are some real big issues, some really big

questions conservative questions about the conservative government at this moment in time. what time. but do you know what we don't get when those voting intentions you've knocked enough doors time. you have no doors in your time. you have no changes to changes from conservative to laboun changes from conservative to labour. issues labour. there are issues regarding say, on the regarding shall we say, on the right politics and people right of politics and people that are changes. so in that there are no changes. so in the away from the real world away from westminster, is not that westminster, there is not that change. sometimes you want change. nigel sometimes you want to people believe to encourage people to believe there he's not there is no look, he's not talking change of voting patterns. >> he's saying we are the government change and. paul >> he's saying we are the govthat.ent change and. paul >> he's saying we are the govthat. keir change and. paul >> he's saying we are the govthat. keir starmere and. paul >> he's saying we are the govthat. keir starmer hasi. paul >> he's saying we are the govthat. keir starmer has to ’aul >> he's saying we are the govthat. keir starmer has to dol all that. keir starmer has to do really is just sort of play with a straight bat, really, isn't it? >> well, do you remember ted heath going the country with heath going to the country with that who governs back in that slogan who governs back in the danger with the 70s and the danger with asking kind of rhetorical asking that kind of rhetorical question might not get question is you might not get the you want. so rishi the answer you want. so rishi sunak election sunak going into an election saying, you want change? saying, do you want change? i think people do change, but think people do want change, but they it's him. it's they don't think it's him. it's quite asking quite risky. he's asking the wrong question. and wrong question. i think. and that's the danger. he had that's the real danger. he had one with king's speech one job with this king's speech and to reboot the and that was to reboot the government after the disastrous conference that they and conference that they had. and i think in its own terms, it's failed. >> we don't really know what labour stand for. but one of my

first question really, paul, was maybe need to maybe maybe we don't need to maybe a lot the labour vote is , you lot of the labour vote is, you know, we don't really like the tories . the vote falling in tories. the snp vote falling in scotland . it's kind of falling scotland. it's kind of falling into your lap in some ways. >> the danger this sort >> well, the danger is this sort of more heave, you know, of one more heave, you know, sleepwalk into victory and all that danger that and the real danger is, of course, remember from the course, as i remember from the 92 that gets snatched 92 election, that gets snatched from at last minute. so from you at the last minute. so actually, think the people actually, i think the people around starmer, the people who've elections that are who've won elections that are advising him, like peter mandelson so on, they know mandelson and so on, they know full just full well you cannot just rest on think we will on your laurels. i think we will see lot more meat on the bones see a lot more meat on the bones over next few months. more over the next few months. more speeches, more pamphlets, more books, out books, just things setting out the in more detail the labour agenda in more detail because we know we can't take it for granted. be disaster. >> no, i wonder on many in many areas actually whether the labour agenda is not that dissimilar the conservative is. >> i think there are differences, differences, but not philosophical not huge, not big philosophical differences. think we're differences. i don't think we're going undermine capitalism, differences. i don't think we're goir know, ndermine capitalism, differences. i don't think we're goirknow, aszrmine capitalism, differences. i don't think we're goir know, as the ne capitalism, differences. i don't think we're goirknow, as the previous lism, differences. i don't think we're goirknow, as the previous labour you know, as the previous labour incarnation i think incarnation wanted to. i think we're pretty on things we're pretty strong on things

like national security, like nato, national security, defence those big defence and so on. those big issues.i defence and so on. those big issues. i think probably there issues. i think probably there is you can see is some agreement. you can see that the the that certainly as the way the middle east issue is being played across both benches. played out across both benches. but the questions of living but on the questions of living standards, growth in the economy, standards, growth in the ecoinational service , the national health service, schools, roads , rail, hospitals, schools, roads, rail, hospitals, all those things. i think there are differences . are genuine differences. >> i wonder whether the big problem shapps that problem perhaps shapps that starmer the labour party starmer and the labour party face. talked a moment ago face. we talked a moment ago where chris hope about the fact that the snp are going to try and get a vote in the house of commons next week whether commons next week on whether there be a ceasefire in there should be a ceasefire in palestine. clearly labour there should be a ceasefire in palezwouldilearly labour there should be a ceasefire in palezwould votey labour there should be a ceasefire in palezwould vote for labour there should be a ceasefire in palezwould vote for that, abour there should be a ceasefire in palezwould vote for that, maybe mps would vote for that, maybe a handful, not much more than handful, but not much more than a conservatives at a handful of conservatives at this vote for this stage would vote for that. we've seen councillors in we've seen ten councillors in burnley resign rumblings of maybe a george galloway , maybe a maybe a george galloway, maybe a jeremy corbyn running for mayor of london, putting up candidate s. this could split the labour vote in the big cities. i don't think so because i think it is a it's an issue that is of

passionate intensity on the margins and some of us are very concerned about the issue, but most people it's one of those stories the news going in stories in the news going on in the background they're more the background and they're more concerned about their wages and their hospitals. >> they are. what >> of course they are. what i think it's going to be a dominant issue in the east end of sure. in yorkshire towns, yes. >> no, that's true. >> no, that's true. >> you know, i mean, you could. well find. yes, yes. that there is, you know, a new semi islamic style. that after the style. but we had that after the iraq and labour went on to iraq war and labour went on to win election with a win that election with a majority, recall. majority, you'll recall. >> there were some >> so, yes, there were some ructions of the ructions in some parts of the country. i understand there country. and i understand there are these huge passions that are aroused by this issue in the middle but it's not the middle east, but it's not the big issue that's affecting everyone at the next election that going be about living that is to going be about living standards, economy, the directly. >> i that. james, you >> i get that. and james, you know, from a part of the know, you're from a part of the country that has got quite a substantial population substantial muslim population in some cities some of those towns and cities and constituency and and of course, constituency and of course, quite a big jewish population around manchester population around the manchester the to the greater manchester area to how seen this playing how have you seen this playing out the ground? out on the ground? >> and i think important >> and i think it's important

that recognise that that we use we recognise that this is a really important issue to many thousands of people in this country. we recognise that people should have the right to march to and put march peacefully to and put forward any message that they want to put forward on armistice day. absolutely not. mean, day. absolutely not. i mean, i've seen and i think you may well be discussing this later. i've seen and i think you may wellseen iscussing this later. i've seen and i think you may wellseen mark.ing this later. i've seen and i think you may wellseen mark crawley later. i've seen and i think you may wellseen mark crawley appears i've seen mark crawley appears and i've not had this confirmed. it's social media that it's over social media that he is the government that is saying to the government that there reason to ban the there is no reason to ban the march on armistice day, which is a bit strange, because a bit strange, nigel, because i was seeing messages coming was seeing other messages coming out metropolitan police out from the metropolitan police asking organisers not asking these the organisers not to ahead the march to go ahead with the march because because of the to go ahead with the march beceofe because of the to go ahead with the march beceof disorder)ecause of the to go ahead with the march beceof disorder coming of theit. risk of disorder coming from it. >> your, in your part of >> but in your, in your part of the world, your part of the the world, in your part of the world on ground, do you see world on the ground, do you see the that there? the tensions that are there? i think yes. >> i think there are definite tensions, but we should recognise tensions manage recognise tensions and manage those understand those tensions and understand that are genuinely that they are genuinely held views we should use views and that we should use language reflects language that reflects the various views within our communities, but making sure that united that our communities are united together it's never together and that it's never ever into anything other ever turns into anything other than peaceful protests and

political disagreement. there's more that unites us than than. >> and one of the biggest labour figures in country, of figures in the country, of course, is khan , normally course, is sadiq khan, normally very outspoken on many issues, seems terribly quiet over seems to be terribly quiet over this march on armistice day . this march on armistice day. >> i i think we need to be >> i mean, i think we need to be able out on this able to speak out on this because disagree with because i would disagree with the march going ahead and i would appeal to the organisers to say, look, there's one day when the nation comes together, which armistice day, we do which is armistice day, we do something collective and something that is collective and we do it in every town and every village throughout the united kingdom. need kingdom. there is no need to have that. demo on this have that. this demo on this day, it's provocative and they've had the last three saturdays. yeah, i was there on one them as a as an observer one of them as a as an observer there. and you know, it's a big demo. i felt not particularly safe walking through the crowd. a people there, you know, a lot of people there, you know, with unpleasant with that unpleasant it's very unpleasant. mean, unpleasant. and i mean, you're saying message saying about no. any message should allowed. but, you should be allowed. but, you know, the anti semitic messaging should not allowed. and should not be allowed. and that's law. and that's against the law. and i think needs to do a bit think rowley needs to do a bit more that he's more about the arrests that he's

saying can't make. saying he can't make. >> no, i agree with that. totally. back to king's totally. back to the king's speech, of up, speech, just to sort of sum up, paul speech, just to sort of sum up, paul, you feel that rishi paul, do you feel that rishi sunak has made an impact today? >> no. well, i think the only impact on his own impact will be on his own backbenchers are going well. backbenchers who are going well. is it? and you really is that it? and are you really the guy to lead into the right guy to lead us into the right guy to lead us into the election? i think it's the next election? i think it's made trouble than made more trouble for him than it worth. it was worth. >> and james, paul does raise an interesting point. you know, you can to a question can get an answer to a question that don't really want. is that you don't really want. is he say that we are the he right to say that we are the party of after 13.5 years? >> i think he's right in terms of a prime minister that's of being a prime minister that's coming through a term coming part way through a term and he's got a vision for the country that he's legislating in terms i want to terms of doing. i just want to make this point, nigel, that the media narrative and you media narrative and i'm sure you don't buy into this, but people on do uke don't buy into this, but people on do like keir on the ground do not like keir starmer. are enthused on the ground do not like keir stéhim.. are enthused on the ground do not like keir stéhim. he are enthused on the ground do not like keir stéhim. he has re enthused on the ground do not like keir stéhim. he has no enthused on the ground do not like keir stéhim. he has no policies.|sed on the ground do not like keir stéhim. he has no policies. hei by him. he has no policies. he has what is it that we're has no what is it that we're getting with keir starmer? >> don't think i would agree. >> i don't think i would agree. they're enthused him, but they're not enthused by him, but i wouldn't say they don't like him. >> e- e a dating show, is >> it's not a dating show, is it? you know, we're it? we're not. you know, we're not to go for a drink

with. >> it's about who's going to run the country. >> well, you know, certainly that does help. >> it does help. >> it does help. >> well, want to go on >> well, if you want to go on the basis politicians can the basis that politicians can be also get be disliked, but also get elected, think that's a rather elected, i think that's a rather strange of political strange sort of political viewpoint come to. rishi viewpoint to come to. rishi sunak has a he has sunak is liked. he has a he has a strong view where this a strong view for where this country go in the future, country should go in the future, and he's legislating for that. a lot people think lot of people think he's a little bit out touch, though. little bit out of touch, though. >> i don't know. >> well, i don't know. >> well, i don't know. >> i have to say, i think rishi is very out of touch. i think keir is pretty under inspiring, but i can't find anything i dislike so sort dislike about him. so he sort of pretty me. in fact, pretty neutral for me. in fact, rishi, think is a very nice rishi, i think is a very nice bloke and very intelligent, probably intelligent probably the most intelligent prime terms for prime minister in iq terms for a long time, which is not a bad thing, which is prime minister is do maths is it? he wants to do maths until we're 18 and play chess. gentleman intelligent full gentleman intelligent man, full of principle. gentleman intelligent man, full of jnigel. e. gentleman intelligent man, full of jnigel. that's what need to >> nigel. that's what we need to go on. >> we'll how the cards >> we'll find out how the cards fall. in a moment, we'll talk about attack on the about the poppy attack on the poppy about the poppy attack on the poppy violent poppy seller. a violent attack on the man up in edinburgh. we'll look at this

we'll also look at this statement come statement that's just come out from mark saying that from sir mark rowley saying that actually march on saturday actually the march on saturday on hasn't met on armistice day hasn't yet met the threshold which the met the threshold at which the met say it should not go ahead. is this cowardice from the this yet more cowardice from the met? of that in a

radio. >> so the cobra committee met this afternoon , as it always this afternoon, as it always does at times of worries about security . following the meeting, security. following the meeting, sir mark rowley, the boss of the metropolitan police in the last few minutes, had this to say. >> the remembrance events will not be disturbed by whatever protest and other events go on. >> we will do our utmost to protect those because they are so critical. people shouldn't be in fear that those are going to be compromised and we will do everything possible to make sure they're not. the second point about protests, though, there will be a protest this weekend. parliament's very clear about that. the law provides no

mechanism to ban a gathering, a static protest at a rally, anything like that. there's no mechanism whatsoever to ban such a thing . and if the organisers a thing. and if the organisers want that, then it will happen. at the moment, as the organisers are still putting the final stages to their plans, which , to stages to their plans, which, to be fair to them, are some way away from the ceremonial footprint here in whitehall. they're putting the final touches to those. looking touches to those. we're looking alongside what alongside that at what conditions need to do conditions we might need to do to the protection of to reinforce the protection of critical events and of jewish communities and the like . if communities and the like. if over next few days the over the next few days the intelligence evolves further and we get to such a high threshold andifs we get to such a high threshold and it's only been done once in and it's only been done once in a decade, where need to say a decade, where we need to say to the home secretary, we think it's to the stage to ban the it's got to the stage to ban the march element, then of course we will but that's last will do. but that's the last resort we haven't reached yet. >> well, he says we haven't reached that threshold yet, but >> well, he says we haven't reacstillthat threshold yet, but >> well, he says we haven't reacstill makingeshold yet, but >> well, he says we haven't reacstill making the ld yet, but >> well, he says we haven't reacstill making the point, but >> well, he says we haven't reacstill making the point that i'm still making the point that they've for the last they've marched for the last three a row, and three saturdays in a row, and this is a very special day in our calendar, a solemn

this is a very special day in our of calendar, a solemn this is a very special day in our of remembrance., a solemn this is a very special day in our of remembrance. butolemn this is a very special day in our of remembrance. but thesei day of remembrance. but these people who now live in our country simply don't seem to care about this. well, i'll tell you what. i'll give you one very good reason why i think this should not go ahead this weekend. and because of should not go ahead this week�*happened because of should not go ahead this week�*happened edinburgh: should not go ahead this week�*happened edinburgh over what happened in edinburgh over the weekend. and i'm joined now by tony mcguire, gb news, scotland reporter and i believe, tony, you're outside waverley station and we're going to discuss the case of jim henderson, aged 78 . henderson, aged 78. >> yes, that's good, right? good evening, nigel. i'm here in edinburgh outside waverley station and i think what happened here, it was a few days ago now on saturday, i think everybody's actually still in shock. everybody's actually still in shock . you know, it was such a shock. you know, it was such a horrific situation for a veteran , jim henderson. he served in the royal corps of signals , the the royal corps of signals, the 32 signal regiment . he served 32 signal regiment. he served with the army in northern ireland. and over the past few novembers, he's been part of the

furniture here at waverley collecting money from the poppy appeal. collecting money from the poppy appeal . and on saturday, one of appeal. and on saturday, one of eight or more protests all around scotland descended from the mound into waverley station here. and encircled the poppy stand. now i know that there have been similar scenes like that elsewhere in the uk. i believe charing cross was another one where a similar situation happened and when he tried to get away , when he tried tried to get away, when he tried to pack up the stall , tried to get away, when he tried to pack up the stall, as he does at half three every day when he's here at waverley, he was pushed. he was stood on and he hurt his foot and then he was punched twice as he bent down to get items of the stall to begin packing up and of the hundreds and hundreds of people who had flocked to waverley station for that protest. well it wasn't the protesters that helped him out. the situation. it was three of the staff here at waverley

station. >> well, i have to say, tony, thatis >> well, i have to say, tony, that is an absolutely disgusting story. has it , to your story. has it, to your knowledge, affected in any way what the royal british legion will be doing over the course of the next few days? yes i certainly don't believe so . certainly don't believe so. >> now, we've only really heard today from a few different parts , us such as british transport police, who were quick to put out a protest today to say that this, of course, is under investigation and said that they have been combing over footage and they're working extremely closely with scotrail. then we also heard from poppy, scotland, who protected the right to peaceful protest . however, peaceful protest. however, obviously, the welfare of the volunteers quite an important word that volunteers . he word that volunteers. he certainly wasn't paid to be in that situation. he was there on his own free time. well they said that he is resting up well at home and he would like to

extend his thanks again to those railway staff . now, of course, railway staff. now, of course, armistice day here at the weekend. we have heard from the scottish palestinian solidarity campaign. i was at a protest there in glasgow on saturday and they made it quite clear that they made it quite clear that they would be back at it again this weekend . had no clue what this weekend. had no clue what it would be like here in edinburgh. but certainly the noises from the leader there where that they are intending to occupy somewhere where they shouldn't, nothing stops them. >> tony maguire, thank you for that report. and folks , i can't that report. and folks, i can't give you a better reason why this should not go ahead than that. what happened to that 78 year old parachute regiment veteran? now let's talk about the natwest bank, shall we? no, no . nothing to do with me. no. nothing to do with me. nothing to do with de—banking. this is to do with you ? yes. this is to do with you? yes. because help bail these because you help bail these people out to the tune of £45 billion. when through their greed and stupidity they otherwise would have gone bust.

well, thank goodness for transparency taskforce . and i'm transparency taskforce. and i'm joined by andy aguilar aguilar, who chair of the secretariat committee for the all parliamentary group on personal banking and fairer financial services. and mark bishop, who's also part of a secretariat for that committee. guys you've uncovered something that i think is amazing . andy, start off just is amazing. andy, start off just by telling us how much of a mess our money is in with the investment in natwest bank. >> nigel, you're absolutely right to bring your viewers attention to this matter because as all the evidence shows , that as all the evidence shows, that the natwest group is displaying all the characteristics of an organisation that is misbehaving. i'm speaking with you tonight in our capacity as founders of the transparency task force , the campaign group, task force, the campaign group, and we have access, nigel, to data hard , reliable data that data hard, reliable data that shows that natwest has actually

been fine . and over £700 million been fine. and over £700 million since the global financial crisis. this and because the great british public are shareholders in that organisation , it is once again organisation, it is once again the great british public that is quite literally bailing out the bank. and that's wrong. nigel and everybody should be rather livid about it. frankly >> yeah. and we still own that 40% of the bank and the share price is, is now down just just below £1.90. we bought those shares at £5. we're supposed to sell that near 40% by 2026. i just can't see us getting our money back ever. can you. well the exit is due to happen in 2026. >> the big question is this will the financial conduct authority start regulating natwest properly so that it does behave properly so that it does behave properly ? nigel it may or may properly? nigel it may or may not astound you to know that since the global financial crisis since then , the natwest crisis since then, the natwest bank has been guilty of

anti—money laundering deficiencies. foreign exchange, market manipulation, a very, very, very long list of . very, very long list of. >> no, no. it's very, very poor indeed. it's very it's very, very clear. it's very, very clear that the fca needs to raise its game, quite frankly. >> well, absolutely . >> well, absolutely. >> well, absolutely. >> and, you know, we're in we're in the cart here, mark bishop, for tens of billions of i mean, tens of billions of pounds we complain about, you know, spending £8 million a day on on migrant hotels. but this is real money just tell our viewers, mark bishop , money just tell our viewers, mark bishop, since we took money just tell our viewers, mark bishop , since we took the mark bishop, since we took the bank over and since they've cost us all this money, how much have its bosses earned ? its bosses earned? >> well, i don't have a cumulative figure, but i think that your good friend alison rose could probably give you an idea of what the current package is. and actually it's really important to mention her because , you know, there's been a lot of reports recently about what's happened to fred, the shreds pension . it's gone up and up

pension. it's gone up and up when the bank was rescued in 2008, his pension was a mere £342,000 a year. now it's reckoned to be nudging up towards £550,000 a year. and back in that era in politicians and regulators shrugged their shoulders and say, terribly sorry, we don't have any of the powers that we need to make this man liable. his own recklessness in the way that he ran this bank. >> fast forward, gentlemen. all i can say is thank you. we need to uncover the truth. this is a huge amount of our money, our taxes went up directly to bail out banks, and people like this. and you keep uncovering the truth . and we on gb news will truth. and we on gb news will keep making sure the public, a big public get to hear it. and thank you . i mean, it's just thank you. i mean, it's just astonishing, isn't it? you know, £11 million is what alison rose could walk away with. and the other bosses of the since other bosses of the bank, since it privatised , have walked it was privatised, have walked away £55 million. you away with £55 million. you couldn't make it up right? in a minute. let's have a look and

see what maloney, the italian prime minister, has done a deal with albania to send 36,000 people that crossed the mediterranean in. is it a winner 7 mediterranean in. is it a winner ? is it different to the rwanda deal and will it fly with the echr . echr. >> coming up on gbn tonight with me, mark dolan . after a poppy me, mark dolan. after a poppy selling war veteran was allegedly assaulted by pro—palestinian supporters, is it time for police to get tough by banning marches on remembrance weekend? plus, the latest on royal snub gate as angela levin reveals the truth about harry and meghan's claim that they were never invited to the king's birthday celebrations . join me for two hours of feisty debate. 9 to 11 on gb news

so 145,000 people have landed

across the mediterranean on italy's shores this year. >> many of them, of course, coming through that little island of lampo medusa. that's up from 88,000 last year. that poses as giorgia meloni a huge problem . she was elected. she problem. she was elected. she was elected saying, look, you know, we can deal with this problem now. she's met she's met with eddie rami , who is the with eddie rami, who is the prime minister of albania , and prime minister of albania, and done a deal with albania . and done a deal with albania. and the deal is that they can send 3000 people a month. that's 36,000 people a year across to albania , where they will be albania, where they will be processed and if they're granted asylum, they can come to italy. if they're not, they'll be sent back to their home countries. all of which, i'm guessing is music to the ears of paolo bhatia. italy an mep for the lega party, who joins me live down the line from vicenza . and down the line from vicenza. and this is what the lega have been campaigning for, isn't it? >> yes , that's what we were >> yes, that's what we were voted by our electors. i think

that after a long period with huge pressures on the mediterranean side, finally we were able to find a common sense solution in to order externalise procedures for asylum seekers, in order to know in a clear way who is seeking for better wages or maybe for better protection from some european member states welfare systems and people that are running out from conflicts from wars. so yeah, i mean, this is a good a good idea, but paolo, i, i get the logic . paolo, i, i get the logic. >> i get the logic of what you're saying. but here's the problem. 3000 a month when over 10,000 a month are arriving . i 10,000 a month are arriving. i mean, you're only. oh, he's gone. there we are. the wonders of modern science. say now i'm also joined by professor leila.

simona tolani, director of the centre for italian politics at king's college london. ian, let's begin , leila, with the let's begin, leila, with the politics of this . you know, politics of this. you know, that's the lega who've always had a very tough position on this. the brothers of italy have sprung up with arguably an even tougher position on this . meloni tougher position on this. meloni becomes the prime minister, promising she'll do something. so in a sense, she had to do something. >> well, definitely she had to do something because the situation was out of control. as you said at the beginning, if you said at the beginning, if you have doubled number of you have doubled the number of migrants that were soaring on the coastline the italian coastline is actually a problem, especially if you very much against if you are very much against migration. in a way, this migration. so in a way, this deal migration. so in a way, this deal, which is actually second to another deal, they've already done it didn't done with tunisia and it didn't end up particularly well, is like the admission of a failure or the digital is unable at the moment to deal with this number of migrants . of migrants. >> yes, it's dealing with the symptom, not the cause. it's deaung symptom, not the cause. it's dealing and i do fully

understand that. however the numbers the numbers are i mean, they're reasonably impressive. i mean, we had a rwanda deal or we still do. and we're waiting for a supreme court judgement. but, you was nothing like you know, that was nothing like 3000 month. we were 3000 people a month. we were talking hundreds. but there's a very big difference here, isn't there? sense , there are there? in a sense, there are some differences. >> i'm totally sure that ms meloni, she took she took some lead from the uk because obviously has been talking with with your prime minister about it. but there are many differences. the most important one is that basically the refugees or want to be refugees that will arrive in albania, then they have their application process there, but then there will be allowed to come back to the eu italy, to stay as the eu to italy, to stay as refugees if their application is accepted. whereas in the case of rwanda, it is different because the refugees who are not allowed to enter and to ask for the refugee status in the uk will have to go back to go to rwanda and stay in rwanda will never be accepted by the uk .

accepted by the uk. >> that's why the government have had such problems. absolutely with the european court of human rights and indeed the british courts interpreting it. so i wonder, i wonder with this deal where the italian navy or an equivalent will pick up boats in the mediterranean, in italian waters, take them straight to a port in albania, because that's the plan. that's the plan as it's been hatched, processing there. and then if they pass , they come to italy. they pass, they come to italy. if they now if they if they don't, they get sent back to their home countries. but there's a problem with that if they haven't got any id because they've thrown it in the mediterranean, where do you send them? >> well, there are many problems with the deal. some this is one of problems, repatriation is of the problems, repatriation is one the problems. so they are one of the problems. so they are sent to a new centre. it's called reception centre, called the reception centre, more less in albania more or less always in albania because made for two because they made a deal for two centres, one for the processing of of the applications and of the of the applications and another to reception for another one to reception for those are waiting be those who are waiting to be repatriated. the problem is

they, according deal, they, according to the deal, this is under the italian law and that's very difficult and debateable because we have extraterritorial reality for the italian law. but the refugee law is not italian. it's actually european law. >> you've got so you're going to have to fight. you may not have as big a problem with the european court of human rights as we had, you're going to as we had, but you're going to have a huge problem the have a huge problem with the eu's common asylum policy. have a huge problem with the eu'absolutely,isylum policy. have a huge problem with the eu'absolutely, because olicy. have a huge problem with the eu'absolutely, because this. have a huge problem with the eu'absolutely, because this is a >> absolutely, because this is a common there extra common policy and there is extra extraterritoriality for the eu law. it doesn't exist , or at law. it doesn't exist, or at least not been it might least it's not been it might exist, but it has to be negotiated with the eu. and this has not been done because this deal landed deal is apparently just landed on the of the european on the desk of the european commission . commission. >> interesting about this >> what's interesting about this is was elected and oh, is maloney was elected and oh, she's going be so tough, she's going to be so tough, she's going to be so tough, she's going to brussels . she's going to fight brussels. but actually, she's been pretty emollient towards brussels thus far. is this the moment which she stands and fights? >> well, that's very much to be seen we are very much the seen as we are very much at the beginning process. so as beginning of this process. so as i the eu has just received i say, the eu has just received

the memorandum. no one sees the memorandum . no one is have been memorandum. no one is have been looking for it online, but i couldn't find it. then looking for it online, but i couldn't find it . then there looking for it online, but i couldn't find it. then there is the issue that basically this is also a way to take away the attention of the italian public from current budgetary law, from the current budgetary law, which in credibly more which is in credibly more austere and actually more draghi like than anyone was expecting . like than anyone was expecting. and so and so. >> well, she's turned out very much more moderate. prime minister in many ways, in many ways. >> and i think this is not necessarily a bad thing, but definitely for her electorates is not exactly what they were expecting. >> no, i think a lot of her electors thought she'd be a lot tougher and a lot more difficult and have her poll ratings suffered as result of all of this? >> not really. not at the moment. but the budgetary law is a turning point, would say. a turning point, i would say. and really depends on how it and it really depends on how it goes. of course, it's gone through a mechanism which is the it was immediately the it was immediately given the confidence the confidence vote by the parliament, still parliament, but still the application happen. so we application has to happen. so we will see. application has to happen. so we wiliisee. application has to happen. so we wilii have to say, layla, you've >> i have to say, layla, you've got job being got a great job being a professor of italian politics.

it's the most extraordinary subject. for joining subject. thank you for joining us the program. thanks. i sat us on the program. thanks. i sat and worked with italian meps for almost to tell almost 21 years. i have to tell you, was virtually impossible you, it was virtually impossible . well, it makes british politics look really very straightforward easy, straightforward and very easy, especially on days like today, where we've the king's where we've had the king's speech. that one man speech. and i bet that one man that absolutely , absolutely speech. and i bet that one man that athe utely , absolutely speech. and i bet that one man that athe pomp absolutely speech. and i bet that one man that athe pomp and olutely speech. and i bet that one man that athe pomp and ceremony , loved the pomp and ceremony, what he's sitting right next to me and sir jacob me now and it's sirjacob rees—mogg. i you loved it, rees—mogg. i bet you loved it, didn't you? >> it's part of our >> it's great. it's part of our history . and lord chancellor history. and the lord chancellor walked backwards, so we re—instituted a tradition, and you can't any longer say that the tories don't succeed in turning clock back. we've turning the clock back. we've done . done it. >> well, that would particularly please you. >> i have to say, jacob, the >> and i have to say, jacob, the thing that really got me and i was talking to the audience about it, you know, this life means life every single prime minister the abolition of minister since the abolition of the penalty says life the death penalty says life means life. they don't mean it. do they? >> em— >> it's never been implemented. no. should be no. and it should be implemented. but it will only be implemented. but it will only be implemented if you're very narrow on who you apply it to,

because actually , as 40, 50 because actually, as 40, 50 years go by and you've got an 80 years go by and you've got an 80 year old in prison and most people think that for most crimes, that person should be released. but if they've done something really savage like myra hindley. yeah they should not be released. and course, not be released. and of course, she wasn't she wasn't? she wasn't released. she wasn't? no. was bearing in mind, no. she was bearing in mind, you're sometimes you're right that sometimes life. was put in life. but then she was put in prison the time when the prison at the time when the death penalty still around. death penalty was still around. but but by the end of the death penalty, not many were penalty, not many people were executed each year. >> all promises, all >> so all these promises, all these promises, maybe the weather more promising . weather would be more promising. >> again. very good >> hello again. very good evening you. it's alex evening to you. it's alex burkill here with your latest gb news forecast. news weather forecast. whilst tonight we'll get off to a bit of a chilly wind and rain of a chilly start. wind and rain is to push its way in is going to push its way in later lifting our temperatures. it's in association with a frontal system that's pushing its the atlantic. its way in from the atlantic. this sweep its way this will sweep its way eastwards go eastwards as we go into wednesday. but of that, we wednesday. but ahead of that, we have clear skies across many places. and under these clear skies temperatures a bit skies, temperatures taking a bit of during the start the of a dip during the start of the night some mist and is

night and some mist and fog is possible wind and possible before the wind and rain its way in as we go rain pushes its way in as we go through the night. that wind and rain is going to lift our temperatures. so by time temperatures. so by the time many up on wednesday many of us wake up on wednesday morning, it shouldn't be too chilly as we through chilly as we go through wednesday a wet and wednesday itself. then a wet and windy across places. windy start across many places. the be pretty heavy, the rain could be pretty heavy, particularly of particularly across parts of scotland. england. scotland. north west england. but through fairly but it pushes through fairly quickly, except in the east southeast here, the rain is to going linger well into the afternoon. behind it, something dry and brighter, but also a heavy showers likely across western parts of scotland and northern ireland. in the north, temperatures staying single temperatures staying in single figures mild order. figures for some mild order. further south, highs of around 13 or 14 celsius. plenty of showers to come as we go through thursday, particularly in western where you're western places where you're exposed to the blustery winds . exposed to the blustery winds. also some showers in the also some heavy showers in the south and southeast, possible more eastern northeastern parts likely dry with some likely to stay dry with some decent bright, sunny weather here. further showers to as here. further showers to come as we go through friday, but they are to gradually ease are going to gradually ease with saturday looking saturday at the moment looking

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by late. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight . and the united nation tonight. and the united kingdom just saw its first king's speech in 70 years. little noticed amidst the scene of pomp, pageantry and glory emerged an alleged breach of the treason act. 1547, an anti—monarchy monarchist, protesters were filmed holding signs actually just under my office, reading not my king. i'll be asking one of the recalcitrants he's aware of the potential crime . meanwhile, many potential crime. meanwhile, many of the proposed laws announced by the king focus on law and order with life to mean life for some of the more horrific crimes. but could these be the reforms? britons are desperate . reforms? britons are desperate. he crack down on our he needs to crack down on our increasingly troubled streets . increasingly troubled streets. the king also confirmed the government's pursuit of a slightly more sensible net zero

strategy with the introduction of the much anticipated offshore petroleum licencing bill stating it will help the country transition to net zero by 2050, without doubt adding undue burdens on households. but perhaps most importantly, it draws a clear line between the tories and the opposition . as tories and the opposition. as the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu declares gaza's security is now under the responsibility of israel . while responsibility of israel. while i will be asking a member of his government what it will take to defeat the terrorist, it's plus, as to just stop oil protesters are arrested after smashing the glass of the rokeby venus in the national gallery. i'll be talking to one of these sober watchers, what they think about the duke and duchess of sussex's recent private jet trip to a katy perry concert. state of the nafion katy perry concert. state of the nation starts now . nation starts now. i'll be joined by a particularly

theatrical panel this evening. the