by >> good afternoon. welcome to the patrick christie show with me. martin we've got an action packed show ahead of us, kicking off the rochdale cenotaph is vandalised , desecrated twice in vandalised, desecrated twice in one week now. it's a disgraceful situation. we'll have sophie reaper there live with all the latest moving on the armistice day march that's dividing the nation. it's been slammed as disrespectful by rishi sunak mark rowley. the met says he's powerless to stop it. and where's sadiq khan .7 the guy is where's sadiq khan? the guy is missing in action next. labour at war over palestine, a civil war tearing the party apart as a minister. imran hussain quits. will this tear the labour party apart ? and at last, fawlty, just apart? and at last, fawlty, just stop. oil protests us are arrested on waterloo bridge over the blocking of an ambulance . the blocking of an ambulance. and this is by saint thomas's

hosphal and this is by saint thomas's hospital. one of london's busiest 840 beds. 6000 babies born there a year. what's on earth were they thinking? but finally , we the old bill spring finally, we the old bill spring into action. so an action packed show coming up for you . now. as show coming up for you. now. as evenl show coming up for you. now. as ever, i want to hear all your views, especially on that armistice day, march and also carol vorderman. we're doing that the show. she's that later on the show. she's finally got the boot. send us your views, gbviews@gbnews.com. but first, here's your news headunes but first, here's your news headlines with tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin, thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest gb news understands london mayor sadiq khan who the metropolitan police chief answers to, has not been invited to a meeting between sir mark rowley and the prime minister downing street denies putting pressure on the met police by saying it would be held accountable for green lighting

protests on armistice day. the prime minister currently meeting with sir mark rowley to discuss the issue. the commissioner says intelligence surrounding the potential for serious disorder this weekend does not meet the threshold to apply to prohibit the marches . earlier today, the marches. earlier today, rishi sunak called that disrespectful . disrespectful. >> yeah, this is a decision that the metropolitan police commissioner has made and he has said that he can ensure that we safeguard remembrance for the country this weekend as well as keep the public safe. >> now, my job is to hold him accountable for that. and we've asked the police for information on how will that on how they will ensure that this and i'll be this happens. and i'll be meeting the metropolitan police commissioner later today to discuss this a more broadly, you know, my view is that these marches are disrespectful . marches are disrespectful. >> while the foreign office says more than 150 british nationals have left gaza via the rafah crossing as of last night, it comes as the israeli military says thousands of civilians have taken advantage of an evacuation

route today to head from northern gaza to the south of the strip. the un says 15,000 people passed through yesterday . people passed through yesterday. a senior official has said israel has no intention of reoccupying the gaza strip or controlling it for a long time . controlling it for a long time. now, a fire has erupted with footage released from southern israel showing thick clouds of grey smoke billowing in a column from northern gaza . it comes from northern gaza. it comes after the israeli military said its air and ground offensive was targeting the hamas terror group's tunnel network beneath the besieged palestinian enclave of shadow minister imran hussein has resigned from labour's front bench in protest of sir keir starmer's position on the israel—hamas war. in his resignation letter, he said it's become clear that my view on the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe in gaza differs substantially from the position you have adopted. the mp for bradford

east was explicit in condemning hamas attack on october seventh, but said the situation in gaza was horrific. he says sir keir starmer should be calling for a ceasefire a war memorial in rochdale's being guarded by police after protesters sprayed free palestine graffiti across the base. greater manchester police said the cenotaph was vandalised and poppies were removed yesterday afternoon and it's currently a crime scene. the force and rochdale council have condemned the vandalism as criminal disrespect act and totally unacceptable . reports to totally unacceptable. reports to a uk police counter—terrorism hotline have more than doubled since hamas launched its attack on israel. police say the hotline received just over 1300 reports between the seventh and the 25th of october, more than twice the number of contacts compared to the same period last yeah compared to the same period last year. the national counter—terrorism squad that monitors material online has also seen a rise in referrals ,

also seen a rise in referrals, with almost 2000 made by the pubuc with almost 2000 made by the public since the attack , seen public since the attack, seen huge tensions across numerous communities in the uk. >> fear across our communities and all of those things play into building that threat picture, which is one of people who might be inclined to conduct an attack on uk soil. being energised by these events and those threats will play out in many different ways and what we're doing within counter—terrorism policing is working hard to understand and manage those threats . manage those threats. >> a former cabinet secretary has apologised for a suggestion that chicken pox style parties could have been held for covid early in the pandemic. speaking at the covid inquiry, lord mark sedwill insisted he was only giving an analogy to shielding the most vulnerable people as others developed immunity . he's others developed immunity. he's apologised to families of victims and accepted his suggestions could have come across as heartless and thoughtless . donald trump's thoughtless. donald trump's daughter has arrived in court to

testify in a civil fraud trial. ivanka trump's turn on the witness stand follows testimony by her two adult brothers and trump . the lawsuit accuses trump trump. the lawsuit accuses trump and his family businesses of intentionally inflating property values and deceiving banks and insurers in the pursuit of business deals and loans . the business deals and loans. the judge has already ruled the trump organisation committed fraud . this trial will determine fraud. this trial will determine the penalties that prosecutors are seeking. a closer £204 million fine and severe business restrictions. trump has denied wrongdoing . and carol vorderman wrongdoing. and carol vorderman says she's leaving her morning show on bbc radio wales over the broadcaster's new social media guidelines. the 62 year old presenter stirred controversy for her anti—tory rants on instagram and accused the government of being greedy and corrupt . the bbc published, corrupt. the bbc published, revised social media rules for flagship presenters after gary lineker tweeted about the government's rwanda plan. ms

vorderman was told her posts are a flagrant breach of the new policies . this is gb news across policies. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's over to . martin now it's over to. martin >> and thank you, tatiana. now we start with those shameful images from rochdale, where the town's war memorial was daubed in pro—palestine graffiti. the incident happened last night, and it comes just a few days after a number of poppy wreaths were damaged at the very same spot. on monday, two teenage boys were charged with intentionally or recklessly causing public nuisance . rishi causing public nuisance. rishi sunak has condemned those responsible for the vandalism and desecration of war memorials is absolutely sickening. >> this weekend will be about the country coming together to pay the country coming together to pay tribute and recognise the

sacrifice of so many over so many years. that's what i'll be doing and i think that's what the vast majority of this country will be doing this weekend, moment. weekend, marking that moment. >> cross live now to >> okay, let's cross live now to rochdale speak our north rochdale and speak to our north west of england. reporter sophy , west of england. reporter sophy, reba this incident has reba sophy, this incident has really captured the mood of the nafion really captured the mood of the nation and not in a good way. what's all the latest from rochdale ? rochdale? >> absolutely . there's been >> absolutely. there's been absolute outrage here in rochdale in response to the vandalism that took place yesterday here at the war memorial in rochdale. people telling me today that they've been sickened or disgusted by that act of vandalism. but there have also been, whilst we've been here reporting, there have been here reporting, there have been a few people walking past with shouts of free palestine . with shouts of free palestine. so the tension here in rochdale is clearly palpable . and in is clearly palpable. and in response to this, there are still some pcsos patrolling the area. i'm not sure if you'll be able to see any of them right now, but they are walking around

constantly maintaining a presence here whilst that investigation continues, but also whilst out ahead of memorial weekend making sure that no vandalism like that or any similar acts can take place. now, a little bit earlier , we now, a little bit earlier, we spoke to one local resident who managed to capture some footage of the vandalism yesterday. here's what he told us. >> came across there was tubs of green paint up on the steps. lots of graffiti over there . lots of graffiti over there. know the guy who reported was still here, but there were no culprits still here. so obviously, i went live with the anger. angen >> it's just unacceptable. >> it's just unacceptable. >> completely unacceptable. you don't know that these people died for us. >> people freedom. >> so, yeah, it's unacceptable. it's something especially it's something that especially rochdale, being a veteran led town, to accept. i town, is not going to accept. i don't fair. don't think it's fair. >> , don't they should >> no, i don't think they should have with it at all have to deal with it at all because it's not it's our because it's not it's not our problem. but yeah, as you can because it's not it's not our probthere'srt yeah, as you can because it's not it's not our probthere's a yeah, as you can because it's not it's not our probthere's a lot h, as you can because it's not it's not our probthere's a lot ofas you can because it's not it's not our probthere's a lot of youthscan see, there's a lot of youths here who are angry with stuff in other we be the other places. we seem to be the target their anger. target of their anger. >> okay, sophie, so. so two

teens have been nicked for this. william howarth they're bravely speaking out. the first question is, has that disgraced graffiti been removed yet from the cenotaph ? well, i think we can cenotaph? well, i think we can now pan and just show you that that the graffiti has indeed been removed. >> when we arrived here just after 7:00 this morning, that had already been removed. you'll see on that part there there was where the green paint was and on the back of the cenotaph, that's where the words free palestine had been sprayed on in big black letters . that has also been letters. that has also been removed. and if we can go a little bit to the right over my right hand shoulder, you'll see there that the poppy wreaths have have now been restored have have now also been restored ahead of remembrance weekend. so things as they should be. and the police are also in place , the police are also in place, making sure that they remain that way until remembrance weekend . weekend. >> okay, sophie reaper thank you for that update . and at least for that update. and at least that graffiti has been removed.

the tidy up operation then swiftly following which there was a terrible desecration . and was a terrible desecration. and ahead of this weekend, the sort of thing we really, really don't need to have any more of that in britain. and that's moving on now to our next topic. and that's the latest on the controversial pro—palestine march that's planned for armistice day , of course, in armistice day, of course, in london and downing street has denied rishi sunak is trying to put on the met's police put pressure on the met's police commissioner, rowley, commissioner, mark rowley, by saying he'll be held accountable. well, this comes as the prime minister is expected to rowley to meet with sir mark rowley very shortly over the decision, not to ban the march. well the author and founder of migration films , matthew robinson, thinks films, matthew robinson, thinks this weekend's pro—palestine protest should go ahead . he told protest should go ahead. he told us why he will be attending . us why he will be attending. >> i'll be attending . us why he will be attending. >> i'll be attending. i us why he will be attending. >> i'll be attending . i have >> i'll be attending. i have been documenting these marches since 2021. i'm a humanitarian filmmaker, so . and as a filmmaker, so. and as a humanitarian, not supposed to take sides. however, when i saw what was happening in al—aqsa

mosque and jerusalem in 2021, i started to film the protests. i felt the mainstream news was not covering it properly. so that's why i'm going to be there. if i wasn't filming, i would there wasn't filming, i would be there raising voice, calling for raising my voice, calling for a ceasefire. now obviously, you know , i think one of the key know, i think one of the key things here is, is the divisive suella braverman cause these hate marches , they're not hate hate marches, they're not hate marches. her speech is hate speech. she's causing division within community parties. so you go. >> he thinks it's not a hate march. thinks those words are divisive. he's going to attend. he thinks it's all about freedom of expression. and of course, we must state the march must state that. the march organisers won't go organisers said they won't go anywhere cenotaph and anywhere near the cenotaph and in it will start a few in fact it will start a few hours after that two minute silence on saturday. the question do we believe them? question is do we believe them? and rowley said and secondly, mark rowley said earlier the cenotaph will earlier that the cenotaph will be protected at all costs. so let's see if he's good for his word. i mean, it'll be quite easy, would it not, to close off white or to cut that risk, to nip it in the bud? surely that's

a sensible compromise. we have powers. have public order powers. we have public order act. have section 13 orders. act. we have section 13 orders. they close off that they could easily close off that area. done that on area. they've done that on previous on many previous marches, on many, many previous marches, on many, many previous do have previous marches. they do have the laws. you believe the the laws. do you believe the police when they say they can't close this do you believe close this down? do you believe that sunak has been strong that rishi sunak has been strong enough on this? you think enough on this? do you think he's taking bit of a back he's taking a bit of a back seat? at the seat? and as i said at the top of the show where is london mayor khan ? after all, he mayor sadiq khan? after all, he is police and crime is the de facto police and crime commissioner of london. surely he could step in and ask for this march to be banned or perhaps he doesn't want it to be banned. please let me know what you vaiews@gbnews.com you think. vaiews@gbnews.com the days are counting ahead . now the days are counting ahead. now to this sacred moment of british national coming together , which national coming together, which now is massively dividing this nation. and we sincerely hope we don't see anything untoward happening on this precious moment . british army veterans moment. british army veterans fought and died for freedoms and we should honour them. and of course, some will say they

fought and died for the freedom of expression to protest. but perhaps it's just the right perhaps it's just not the right day , not the right time, not the day, not the right time, not the right way to do it. please let me know what you think on this. hugely, hugely important topic. okay. you get lots more on that on our website. and get this gbnews.com is the fastest growing national news website in the country. hurrah! it's got the country. hurrah! it's got the best analysis and opinion as well as the latest breaking news. so thank you to of you news. so thank you to all of you out there making that out there for making that happen. very much happen. it's very much appreciated . move on to our next appreciated. move on to our next story now . sir keir starmer has story now. sir keir starmer has come under fresh pressure after a shadow minister quit the party over labour's refusal to back a ceasefire in the israel—hamas war. well, i'm martin daubney standing in for patrick christys on gb news britain's news

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>> choose. >> choose. >> welcome back. it's 319, almost patrick christys show. i'm martin daubney covering for pat who's having a well deserved holiday. well, in a few minutes, i'll tell you about the shadow cabinet minister who's quit over labour's policy on the israel hamas war. but first, the israeli military says that a hamas weapons maker and several fighters have been killed during airstrikes on the gaza strip . airstrikes on the gaza strip. its air and ground offensive are targeting the militants tunnel network beneath the besieged palestinian enclave, gaza city. the hamas militant group's main stronghold in the territory is now encircled by israeli forces. the military says troops have advanced to the hearts of the densely populated city, while hamas says its fighters have inflicted heavy losses is now speaking in the commons shadow foreign minister lisa nandy says that fuel for humanitarian

purposes must get into gaza as an urgent priority . without it, an urgent priority. without it, water cannot flow . hospitals water cannot flow. hospitals cannot power incubators and food cannot power incubators and food cannot be cooked . meanwhile, the cannot be cooked. meanwhile, the israeli military has said that thousands of civilians have taken advantage of an of an evacuation route today. okay. let's cross now to tel aviv and speak to our security editor, mark white. mark, what's the latest? the dramatic news of the hamas leader , yahya sinwar, hamas leader, yahya sinwar, hiding in his bunker. according to israel's defence minister, a dead man walking and they have vowed to eliminate him. there's no shortage of fighting talk from the israelis on this . from the israelis on this. >> yeah, he's not given much detail on this, though. to be fair. he just said, as you indicated there, that he's in his bunker. they suggested that he's surrounded and his time is limited, but no more detail about where he is. presumably. that's not in the bunker below

the al—shifa hospital because as far as we know , israel has not far as we know, israel has not yet advanced it to the al—shifa hospital . it's within about a hospital. it's within about a kilometre of that location. it's certainly into the heart of gaza city. it's been mounting raids into areas within the heart of the city and actually , as it's the city and actually, as it's been advancing from northern gaza down towards gaza city , gaza down towards gaza city, it's been dealing with lots of these tunnels, at least a tunnel entrances. now, they say that 130 of these tunnel entrances have been uncovered and destroyed in recent days. and it is really just the tunnel entrances because there are hundreds of miles of tunnels in these networks. and we know, according to israeli intelligence , that inside the intelligence, that inside the tunnels are command and control facilities , weapons storage facilities, weapons storage areas , areas where, of course , areas, areas where, of course, these hamas terrorists live and

sleep and eat and we also believe where the hostages, most of them at least , are believe where the hostages, most of them at least, are being held within the tunnel system . so within the tunnel system. so actually dealing with the tunnels will be a very difficult process going forward because they want, of course, to dismantle and close down those tunnels, collapse them, but they don't want to put the hostages at any further risk. hamas have already claimed that they make so many claims is that hostages have died because of operation eyes, which have targeted tunnels with no way of verifying that. tunnels with no way of verifying that . they've not come up with that. they've not come up with any other evidence to suggest thatis any other evidence to suggest that is the case. but israel is certainly very cognisant of the risks ahead as it tries to push down into these tunnel systems . down into these tunnel systems. >> and what about news of people escaping out of the country? any more news of brits who've made it to safety? mark >> well, in terms of the british nationals who've gone across the

rafah crossing into egypt that the government have confirmed today that 150 british nationals have made it across hundreds of other nationalities, have made it across in recent days as well. now, you remember that just a couple of days ago, the crossing was closed because of issues , us concerns that the issues, us concerns that the israelis and the egyptians had, that hamas were using the ambulance convoys that should be taking the badly injured palestinian civilians into egypt for treatment. they were using them to put their injured fighters across into egypt . so fighters across into egypt. so some of those security issues have been resolved. we now understand . so the rafah understand. so the rafah crossing is open again. aid trucks are coming in and a controlled number of these foreign nationals are being allowed to leave to cross into eqypt allowed to leave to cross into egyptin allowed to leave to cross into egypt in terms of other nationals of other civilians, i should say, in the north of gaza , while israel has been telling them for weeks to get away from

them for weeks to get away from the north and into the relative safety of the south of gaza, finally we're seeing thousands and who are using this main highway from the north of gaza to the south. the israeli military are opening it up to civilian traffic for about four hours every day. today, they did it actually for five hours because there was a very significant number of civilians that took advantage of that window to get south and out of harm's way. >> and mark, there's been a ramping up of the rhetoric , ramping up of the rhetoric, certainly from the labour party, from the united nations, from various charities demanding a ceasefire. it's never going to happen, is it. >> well, yeah. antonio gutierrez , the un secretary—general once again today calling for a ceasefire . he's widely regarded ceasefire. he's widely regarded throughout israel, i have to say, as no friend of israel, because of the stance that he has taken, which many here

believe has been very pro hamas in the says he would absolutely deny that, of course. but in calling for a ceasefire, israel says the only people that would benefit from that would be hamas because in that pause they would allow that pause to regroup . and allow that pause to regroup. and their avowed aim is to destroy israel. their avowed aim is to ensure that israel is wiped off the map in this region , and the map in this region, and indeed their leaders have been speaking, various leaders in recent days have been asked do they want a ceasefire? and yes, some of them might like a pause or a ceasefire but in terms of those attacks on the 7th of october, one, a hamas leader yesterday said that if he could turn back the clock, he would have done exactly the same thing again. and going forward , he again. and going forward, he wants to do exactly the same thing again until israel as an entity is removed from this region. so the political leaders

here in israel and the military here in israel and the military here in israel and the public on heanng here in israel and the public on hearing these hamas leaders come away with that rhetoric just feel that what they're doing is the correct course of action. it cements in their thinking , the cements in their thinking, the need to go ahead and continue to with this military operation until they have destroyed hamas and ensured that it is no longer and ensured that it is no longer a threat to israel . a threat to israel. >> okay, mark white, thank you for that. updates from tel aviv. comprehensive and superb as even comprehensive and superb as ever. and later in the show , ever. and later in the show, we'll have a have we'll have a we'll have a touching report about british families who relatives families who have relatives lives still held hostage in gaza. you won't want to miss that. really is a real tear jerker . okay. now, moving on. jerker. okay. now, moving on. there's more pressure on sir keir starmer today over his stance on the israel—hamas war. one of his mps has quit the shadow cabinet, imran hussain , shadow cabinet, imran hussain, who was shadow minister for the new deal for working people, said he could not in good conscience support his leader's position. the same revealed that

he was left deeply troubled by starmer's lbc interview in which the labour leader appeared to endorse israel's decision to cut food , water and power from the food, water and power from the gaza strip. well, let's cross now to our political correspondent, katherine forster catherine, another day , another catherine, another day, another fresh woe over labour's palestine problem . um, how palestine problem. um, how serious is this for the party now . how. >> now. >> well, it's really quite serious , isn't it? because keir serious, isn't it? because keir starmer had got labour to a point of being 20 points ahead in the polls. they still are at the moment and of appearing to be united. he had purged the party of anti—semitism, having taken it over from jeremy corbyn, a man who had called hezbollah and hamas his friends. and they had appeared really very united. and that began to change, didn't it? in the immediate aftermath of october the 7th, those atrocities committed by hamas and as the

death toll in gaza has gone up and up and up now at around 10,000, the divisions in labour are becoming ever clearer. so we've had about 50 local councils . ours have resigned. councils. ours have resigned. there's about a third of labour mps in total have indicated that they would support a ceasefire. of course that's not the leadership's position . the leadership's position. the leadership's position. the leadership's position. the leadership's position is only to support a humanitarian pause and culminating, of support a humanitarian pause and culminating , of course, today. culminating, of course, today. well, late last night with the first resignation of a shadow frontbencher, imran hussain , who frontbencher, imran hussain, who is the labour mp for bradford east. he's resigned because he wants to strongly campaign for a ceasefire. he cannot do that. he feels he's not prepared to toe the party line. so it's bad news for keir starmer. i mean he will say that everybody is coming from the same place and that they all want an end to the violence. yes absolutely. but he is going to take the same line

basically as the british government, as the united states government of supporting a humanitarian pause, something short , something temporary to short, something temporary to get aid in, not a ceasefire, which he says would allow hamas to regroup. so there's plenty of people not happy about that in the labour party. but i don't think that position would change until and unless the position of the government changes and the position of the united states changes, because bear in mind, keir starmer is keen to be seen as the prime minister in waiting. they believe that they're heading for downing street and for power and they don't want to jeopardise that. but these splits, these very pubuc but these splits, these very public divisions are certainly not going to help them. okay catherine, moving on, as if it's not bad enough for labour, more woes for the conservative party >> peter bone, the mp . the >> peter bone, the mp. the recall petition starts today , recall petition starts today, which will likely end in another by—election, not another one, as

brenda from bristol might say. >> yes, that classic line from brenda from bristol, when the 2017 general election was called. yes, there does seem to have been a string. well, there certainly has been a string of mps found to have behaved badly. the very latest , of course, the very latest, of course, being peter bone, mp for wellingborough , who was found to wellingborough, who was found to have behaved inappropriately in a sexually inappropriate plea on various occasions and accusations that he denies. but there is now a recall petition has opened. now what that means is if the 10% of his constituent , let's say they want him out , , let's say they want him out, then there will be a by—election in his seat. we don't know what will happen, but i would suspect that's highly likely. i mean, we've seen nadine dorries pushed out, boris johnson chose to go, didn't he, rather than face a by—election? chris pincher too.

and that's going to happen more than likely . that will run and that's going to happen more than likely. that will run for a few weeks. that recall petition in in the dead of winter , in in the dead of winter, possibly in february next year. so people taking a brief breather from by—election campaigning may be back doing the rounds again soon, early next year . next year. >> okay, catherine vause, thanks for that . yeah, winter for that. yeah, winter elections. i've walked a few of them. i know everybody out there . the campaigners will hate the chilblains and the trouble. so there's woes ahead for the tories woes ahead for labour tories and woes ahead for labour too. thank you, catherine. now, there's more come yet there's loads more to come yet between now 4 on the between now and 4 pm. on the show. and guess what? just stop oil it again. again oil have been at it again. again this an ambulance with its this time an ambulance with its blue lights on was held up as dozens of unwashed protesters descended on waterloo bridge in central london. but they say it's the old bill who are to blame. will be live to the scene shortly. but first, your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez.

>> my martin. thank you. 331 this is the latest from the newsroom. well, gb news understands london mayor sadiq khan, who the metropolitan police chief answers to, has not been invited to a meeting between sir mark rowley and the prime minister taking place today. downing street denies putting pressure on the met police by saying it would be held accountable for green lighting armistice lighting protests on armistice day. the foreign office says more than 150 british nationals have left gaza via the rafah crossing as of last night. it comes as the israeli military says thousands of civilians have taken advantage of an evacuation route today to head from northern gaza to the south of the strip . donald trump's the strip. donald trump's daughter has arrived in court to testify in a civil fraud trial as it relates to accusations the trump businesses inflated property value to secure deals and loans . the judge has already and loans. the judge has already ruled the trump organisation committed fraud . this trial will

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>> now the family of murdered toddler james bulger have been blocked from attending the parole hearing for one of his killers. john venables is currently in jail for possession of indecent images of children . of indecent images of children. his parole hearing will take place next tuesday and wednesday, the 14th and the 15th of november for. but joining me now to discuss this is barrister phillip taylor. good afternoon to you, phillip. thanks for joining us on gb news. this this is a story that's that really struck to the heart of the nafion struck to the heart of the nation and one that rolls on and on and on. in fact , jamie's on and on. in fact, jamie's father , father ralph bulger, father, father ralph bulger, says that the possibility of a release is a daily nightmare for him. yet they've been denied the opportunity to go to the parole hearing. can you explain the legal framework of what's going on for us here, please ? on for us here, please? >> well, the problem that we've got is that the parole board, as structured is actually a effectively a form of secret court. now now, the difficulty

we have at the moment is that they operate in a private way because they they consider that the position of the applicant who is the convict, the prisoner , his rights have to be looked at. but the view at the moment with the processes we have is that these matters have to be done behind closed doors. and i just don't accept that because i believe that we've moved very much farther ahead in the last few years with the introduction of impact status in criminal matters. when it comes to sentencing. so that the victim can have some sort of say and have some form of closure on these most horrific crimes. i think many people would echo that sentiment. >> i mean, for the families to have the opportunity to read out an impact statement after their huge, huge loss , you know, it huge, huge loss, you know, it must be very, very significant. and philip , i must be very, very significant. and philip, i put it to you, we've just seen the king's speech. we've seen the law

change something similar. change around something similar. and course, lucy change around something similar. and refused course, lucy change around something similar. and refused to nurse, lucy change around something similar. and refused to face�*, lucy change around something similar. and refused to face the cy change around something similar. and refused to face the music letby refused to face the music in the dock and that was overturned. do you think there should be some legal re emphasis on this , revisiting the way that on this, revisiting the way that parole hearings are conducted and we should change the law to allow the victims to go and face the murderer in this case and tell them how they feel to make this more vivid team based rather than offender based. >> well , i actually agree with >> well, i actually agree with that approach . i think what that approach. i think what i would say is look at the history of this, because the history we started about 100 years ago when there was the case of mccarthy heard by the lord chief justice, lord hewart , who then said, lord hewart, who then said, quote, not only must justice be done in, it must also be seen to be done. now we've had a position in recent years with legal history that we've got more and more secretive in certain areas, family laws where i practice partially is one of those areas and i say that in fact we should be opening this

up more and actually taking more account of the effect that this offending has on the families, because we have changed the rules concerning, as i say, impact statements . i rules concerning, as i say, impact statements. i think that's a good step forward. but we now need to have a look at perhaps overhauling the role of the parole board in the future because there are so many controversial issues arising from this that we do have, of course, in the king's speech, the position that we're going to have another look at the way forward with criminal matter as in general terms. so parliament will have a voice. but i do think that this is the time when in fact, the government could quite easily make some recommendations and insert them into 1 or 2 of the bills to or to try to assist the parties such as the bulger family in what they're really going through. and it's going to be a very difficult week for them. next week. >> yeah, well, a difficult week after , many difficult

after many, many difficult years. and this will kind of rub salt into the wound and i hear what you're saying about the calls for transparency . and, of calls for transparency. and, of course, parole hearings now course, parole hearings are now open media. there have open to the media. there have been calls for them to be televised, for them to be broadcast live. do you think that's a step too far or should we be looking at that to. >> i think that's going a little bit too far, too quickly . i've bit too far, too quickly. i've always taken the view that certainly proceedings in the court should be televised. and i do thank the just retiring lord chief justice , lord burnett, for chief justice, lord burnett, for being instrumental in moving that forward. i've called for this for some years as have other members of the junior bar. but what i do say is that we have to take slowly. it is have to take it slowly. it is actually , about process . actually, martin about process. and i think that we've got to bearin and i think that we've got to bear in mind that we see where we're going with the basically protecting the rights of the victims. i'm not particularly concerned, frankly, about the

position of the convicted person on because he has actually committed a serious crime and is paying committed a serious crime and is paying a penalty for it. the problem we do have is that the criminal system may just be continued being reviewed . it's continued being reviewed. it's not a party political matter. this either. i think this is a matter which should get cross—party party support, but perhaps i'm chasing moonbeams. i don't know . don't know. >> and philip, in your extensive experience, how crucial social is that ability for victims to read out their impact statement? how cathartic is it for them? how cathartic is it for them? how useful is it, and how how much of an impact can it have have on perpetrators and therefore maybe perhaps make them reconsider ? what i'm trying them reconsider? what i'm trying to get at is this surely is a force for good. >> well, i think it is. force for good. >> well, i think it is . but i >> well, i think it is. but i think you've got to be careful about one thing, and that is 1 or 2 of these people, the criminals are sadists. they enjoy making people squirm . they

enjoy making people squirm. they enjoy making people squirm. they enjoy hurting people . and even enjoy hurting people. and even when they are actually convicted , did they still, even from prison , would like to have a go prison, would like to have a go at the victims and the victims relatives. so i think you've got to get a balance here concerning the basically trying to protect victims. but having seen 1 or 2 of the really emotional types of impact statement that are delivered from my years as a criminal barrister, i don't actually practice at the criminal bar now. i'm mainly family , but i still deal with family, but i still deal with the issues and the emotions and i believe that there will be an element of closure if they feel as the victims and the victims families that they've had their say. but the day must come. martin and it's in every practice book we have, and that is there has to be finality of proceedings . and actually, you proceedings. and actually, you have to work out when you close them . but i certainly don't them. but i certainly don't think we can go too far with the televising of parole board

heanngs televising of parole board hearings as such. at the moment. anyway. >> and one final question for you, phil . if the >> and one final question for you, phil. if the hearing is scheduled for the 14th and the 15th of nov member, of course, venables was released before from jail, went on to reoffend and is back inside now. from jail, went on to reoffend and is back inside now . so in and is back inside now. so in terms of the parole hearing itself and bearing in mind that ralph bulger , jamie's father, ralph bulger, jamie's father, said that the possibility of a release is a daily nightmare for the bulger family and the broader community. and i think many, many people in britain , many, many people in britain, after a parole hearing, takes place. how long is it before a decision is made on a release or not? >> i can't give you an answer to that because i think it will depend on the complexities of the issues which the those persons on the parole board are deciding . my concern has always deciding. my concern has always been both with things like the parole board or the sentencing guidelines council or these other organisations , is that other organisations, is that there must be more. what you

call transparency, that is, that you must be seen to be doing something, not just saying it's going to be done . because at the going to be done. because at the end of the day , who's actually end of the day, who's actually paying end of the day, who's actually paying for all of this? is paying for all of this? where is the and we do the taxpayers are? and we do expect, of course our our streets to be safe from people who are perpetua annual crime . who are perpetua annual crime. merchants of one sort and another. obviously, we're deaung another. obviously, we're dealing here with a very serious crime . and i'm not going to say crime. and i'm not going to say anything about mr venables because it wouldn't be right for me to do so. must be for me to do so. that must be for the parole board. but what must be allowed, my view, is be allowed, in my view, is representation and submissions to be made, which are quite clear about where the victims in this case are coming from, because frankly, it's rather like some of the other cases we have when i was a councillor, i used to have a lot of problems with some of the local electorate concerning offenders and clearly people want to know who they are because they get

worried . we like to live in a worried. we like to live in a secure society and frankly, if we don't have these sorts of transparency, it looks like deals are being done behind closed doors. and that's not how the bar works and it's not how law should work . law should work. >> philip taylor, barrister at law, thank you for joining us on the patrick christys show. excellent analysis. thank you very, much indeed. now now very, very much indeed. now now to fresh controversy regarding everyone who's favourite great unwashed eco activists. of course, that is just stop oil traffic, including an ambulance with its blue lights on yet an emergency. you thought it was brought to a halt on waterloo bridge in central london this morning . as you can see on the morning. as you can see on the screen there . now, let's speak screen there. now, let's speak to our reporter ray addison rae , to our reporter ray addison rae, i believe 40 arrests were made in lieu of this protest, but there's a bit of a war of words broken out. just stop oil saying it wasn't even them that blocked the bridge. it was the old bill. what's situation ? what's the what's the situation? >> well, the afternoon. martin

well, yes, the paramedic who was driving that ambulance with those blue lights on, he says he told the telegraph that he was going to sink guy's hospital to pick up a team of people who were then going to go to another hospital and attempt to save some bodies . life. now the some bodies. life. now the police posted an image of severe congestion caused by those 50 something. just stop oil activists slow marching across waterloo bridge in the direction of the strand and they were saying this. this ambulance is there. it's got its blue lights on. it's unable to get past due to this protest. just stop . oil to this protest. just stop. oil then responded by posting a picture of the police and saying that it's actually the police officers, the met police officers, the met police officers who were blocking that side of the road and that their protesters were on the other side of the road and therefore it wasn't their fault. they also went a bit further than went a little bit further than that, didn't they? and that, though, didn't they? and they that police were they said that the police were blocking ambulance so they

blocking the ambulance so they can, quote, blame it on a protest march going in the other direction. now, i spoke to just stop oil's press office and they've road back a little bit from that statement. they say, oh, not saying that oh, well, we're not saying that they doing it deliberately they would doing it deliberately so could blame it on so that they could blame it on the protesters. however that tweet is still up. you can look at it. you can find it on, on, on. just stop oil's protest site. so as you were saying, there was those 50 protesters met. police saying at least 40 were arrested as they walked over waterloo bridge and they arrested them within about 15 minutes of making first contact, which is a lot quicker than they normally do, and not something that just stop. oil was particularly happy with who was responsible for blocking that ambulance. of course, that's very much up for debate. however from footage that i've seen , you from footage that i've seen, you can see members of just stop oil sat along the median line of the road as police are engaging with them and trying to arrest them.

now, it's arguable that although the other side of the road was actually potentially could have been made clear, it's very close. if you've got somebody sat in that median lane and the police are trying to engage with them, very close and them, it's very close and therefore maybe safe to therefore maybe not safe to allow the flow of traffic down that lane that remains to that other lane that remains to be seen. it's obviously a matter of viewers can make of opinion and viewers can make up their own mind. they >> okay. thank you, radisson, for that then about you. >> okay. thank you, radisson, for tjust then about you. >> okay. thank you, radisson, for tjust stop then about you. >> okay. thank you, radisson, for tjust stop moaning)out you. >> okay. thank you, radisson, for tjust stop moaning ifut you. >> okay. thank you, radisson, for tjust stop moaning if you're but just stop moaning if you're going bridge near a going to block a bridge near a hospital, expect get your hospital, expect to get your collar now, if you're collar felt. now, if you're a child, the government wants to ban from ever being able to ban you from ever being able to buy cigarettes. what's next on their ? meat, booze, fun . their list? meat, booze, fun. what do they want to ban? everything i'm martin daubney standing in patrick christys standing in for patrick christys on gb news. we are

portillo gb news britain's news. channel welcome back. it's 350. watching and listening to me martin daubney on gb news standing in for the legend that is patrick christie. well, at 4:00, we'll be live in rochdale after free palestine after the words free palestine was onto the town's war was sprayed onto the town's war memorial . was sprayed onto the town's war memorial. but this next story moving on. the government believes there are three british hostages still being held by hamas in the gaza strip. our reporter jack carson has been talking to members of the goldstein almog family whose relatives were taken hostage. more than a month ago . more than a month ago. >> when that message came , that >> when that message came, that was me gone . was me gone. >> messages and calls her late

couldn't imagine ever having to answer for. on the 7th of october, hamas terrorists entered parts of southern israel and went from kibbutz to kibbutz, killing 1400 israeli people . 240 were taken hostage people. 240 were taken hostage by hamas . amongst those families by hamas. amongst those families devastated by the events of that day are the goldstein almog family. 49 year old nadav, seen here in the red jumper and 20 year old yam had been killed . year old yam had been killed. his wife and mum hen and children agam gal and tal were all missing just weeks before the attacks. 11 year old gal and nine year old tal were captured dancing in this home video khalife grew up with hen and her family, but has been living in the uk for 30 years. she met me in birmingham and introduces me to omri , who's in israel to omri, who's in israel campaigning for his family's safe return. so you're just about to meet omri almog, who was hen hen's brother ? was hen hen's brother? >> omri , myself and hen will

>> omri, myself and hen will grow up in kibbutz gevim. >> he describes the aftermath that day on october 11, after my parents came back from a bus area, a with the dna, they confirmed that nadav and yam they are murdered at the house. >> and my sister and the three kids basically kidnapped and they were missing for nine days. and then they move for missing to kidnap and right now we know they are they are alive , but they are they are alive, but we're not sure where. we're not sure if they get the medicine. they get food. they get clothes. we don't know anything else. this this situation is a horrible situation. we have nothing to lose. this is the situation that i have now because it's a broken family. the family is broke. we need to bnng the family is broke. we need to bring back whatever left from the family living in warsaw , the family living in warsaw, hallett wasn't aware of the attacks until a call from her mum revealed the nature of what was happening. >> describes moment she >> she describes the moment she found hen and her children

found out hen and her children had been taken hostage. found out hen and her children hachu're taken hostage. found out hen and her children hachu're reallyhostage. found out hen and her children hachu're really ,)stage. found out hen and her children hachu're really , really. found out hen and her children hachu're really , really sad. >> you're really, really sad. but then you're really, really happy that they're dead . happy that they're not dead. there's hope. suddenly there's hope. and even though you're conflicted with you don't know what's going to happen. now a part of you is thinking they're alive. you know they're alive now, now working with omri and others, she's helping spread the bnng others, she's helping spread the bring them home now campaign internationally. >> her mission here in the uk is clear . clear. >> my objective is , is to try >> my objective is, is to try and reach the prime minister, ask if, you know, just hear omri's story . you know, it's omri's story. you know, it's one. it's one thing looking at what's going on and it's another thing listening to a personal story of somebody that his sister is missing and the anguish and just to remember, people need to remember that these are children. these are children . these are babies, children. these are babies, toddlers that disabled people. they're humans . and they didn't they're humans. and they didn't do anything . do anything. >> whilst the grief will not

ease for some time, the hope for the safe return of the 240 hostages lives on jack carson . hostages lives on jack carson. gb news. >> just a deeply, deeply moving story, isn't it? you know, the unimaginable horror of oh god, of having your child taken away and to bring them home now campaign so, so important that politicians remember that and the media and the public and those posters of those people being torn down. a hugely important story. being torn down. a hugely important story . okay. now to important story. okay. now to the news that the government is trying to ban young people from ever being able to buy cigarettes . is the new law would cigarettes. is the new law would affect people born in 2009 or after. and it's not just smoking that's being targeted. meat and dairy is being banned at oxfordshire county council. sugaris oxfordshire county council. sugar is next. and also what next? booze, fast food, orphan food . good goodbye, martin food. good goodbye, martin daubney. come back in the next

houn daubney. come back in the next hour. thank you very much . hello hour. thank you very much. hello >> very good day to you. alex burkill here again with your latest gb news weather forecast . latest gb news weather forecast. whilst there's some drier weather on the cards for the weekend then, still weekend before then, we still have some blustery and have some blustery showers and a mix of sunny spells to get through at moment, the through at the moment, the frontal system brought frontal system that brought heavier today, heavier rain earlier on today, that's away towards the that's clearing away towards the east we're the east and we're under the influence a pressure influence of a low pressure towards the north—west of the uk. bringing some uk. that's bringing some very strong winds parts of strong winds across parts of northwest scotland . they northwest scotland. but they will we through the will ease as we go through the evening overnight. evening and overnight. otherwise, becoming more otherwise, showers becoming more widespread we go through the widespread as we go through the night. see night. some hefty ones could see some of thunder as well. some rumbles of thunder as well. some skies in between the some clear skies in between the showers and in clear skies . showers and in the clear skies. it's likely quite it's likely to turn quite chilly, particularly across east and parts of and north eastern parts of scotland. a touch scotland. likely to have a touch of frost here as we go through thursday. then a showery of frost here as we go through thu1for1y. then a showery of frost here as we go through thu1for manyen a showery of frost here as we go through thu1for many of a showery of frost here as we go through thu1for many of us,a showery of frost here as we go through thu1for many of us, particularly day for many of us, particularly in the west, where we're exposed to those brisk westerly winds. plenty showers here. also plenty of showers here. also some hefty showers across parts of the south southeast. the greatest chance of some dry, bright weather will be across

more and parts more central and northern parts of scotland. a decent amount of sunshine here, but temperatures only to around 8 or 9 only rising to around 8 or 9 celsius, milder further south. but it is likely to be a little bit chillier than today. more showery rain to start on friday morning across southern areas. and then go through the and then as we go through the day, a change in wind day, a change in our wind direction to come the north direction to come from the north changes where we're most likely to showers. most likely to see the showers. most likely in areas exposed to that northerly the will northerly wind. the showers will ease into saturday. so ease as we go into saturday. so it dry more rain it does look dry until more rain arrives on sunday by

by good afternoon. >> it's 4 pm. welcome to the patrick christys show with me, martin dalby. action packed show coming up including the cenotaph in rochdale. vandals eyes twice in rochdale. vandals eyes twice in a matter of days graffiti this time. we'll have all the latest from sophie reaper who is live at the scene moving on to our next story, tara reports to the hotline in britain saying by over 200% since the outbreak of the israel gaza war, showing you that this conflict is finding its feet on our own shores. next story , more trouble for the story, more trouble for the labour party there. palestine problem coming to the surface once again as the minister, imran hossain , quits from the imran hossain, quits from the front bench . will this palestine front bench. will this palestine problem sink the labour party? and finally , what a tweet from

and finally, what a tweet from i'm a boffin to a boris basher, carol vorderman now gets the boot from the bbc for violating their social media rules. will gary lineker be next? that's coming up on the show. gary lineker be next? that's coming up on the show . and as coming up on the show. and as even coming up on the show. and as ever, please get in touch to to all us on all the hot topics of the day. give us at gbnews.com about the cenotaph, about the armistice day, march khalife vorderman she have it vorderman did she have it coming? want gary lineker coming? do you want gary lineker to that's come to be next? all of that's come in. but first, here's your news headunes in. but first, here's your news headlines with polly middlehurst i >> -- >> martin thank you and good afternoon to you. well, gb news understands lord mayor sadiq khan, who the metropolitan police chief answers to, hasn't been invited to a meeting between sir mark rowley. >> that's the metropol police chief and the prime minister downing street denies putting pressure on the met police by saying it would be held

accountable for greenlighting protests on armistice day . the protests on armistice day. the prime minister is meeting sir mark rowley to discuss the issue. >> well, the commissioner says intelligence surrounding the potential for serious disorder this weekend does not meet the threshold to apply to prohibit the marches. >> rishi sunak says though it is still dismissed full. >> yeah, this is a decision that the metropolitan police commissioner has made and he has said that he can ensure that he safeguards remembrance for the country this weekend as well as keep the public safe . keep the public safe. >> now, my job is to hold him accountable for that. and we've asked the police for information on how they will that on how they will ensure that this be this happens. and i'll be meeting metropolitan police meeting the metropolitan police commissioner later today to discuss this. and more broadly , discuss this. and more broadly, you know, my is that these you know, my view is that these marches disrespectful . marches are disrespectful. >> meanwhile, the foreign office is saying more than 150 british nationals have left gaza via the rafah crossing in egypt as of last night. that comes as the israeli military says thousands

of civilians have taken advantage of an evacuation route today to head from northern gaza today to head from northern gaza to the south of the strip. the un saying 59,000 people have passed through that border . a passed through that border. a senior official has said israel had no intention of reoccupying the gaza strip or controlling it for a long time as israeli forces pressed their offensive against hamas in the enclave . against hamas in the enclave. now a fire has erupted. this footage , if you're watching on footage, if you're watching on television, released from southern israel, showing thick clouds of black smoke billowing in a column from northern gaza . in a column from northern gaza. that comes after the israeli military said its air and ground offensive was targeting the hamas terror group's tunnel network beneath the besieged palestinian enclave . meanwhile, palestinian enclave. meanwhile, here at home, the shadow minister, imran hussain, has resigned from labour's front bench in protest at sir keir starmer's position on the israel—hamas war. in his resignation letter, he said it's

become clear that my view in the ongoing humanitare catastrophe in gaza differs substantially from the position you have adopted as the mp for bradford east was explicit in condemning hamas attack on october the seventh, but said the situation in gaza was still horrific. he says sir keir starmer should be calling for a ceasefire . calling for a ceasefire. meanwhile a war memorial in rochdale in yorkshire is being guarded by police officers after protesters sprayed free palestine graffiti across the base. greater manchester police said the cenotaph was vandalised and poppies were removed yesterday afternoon and it's currently a crime scene. the force and rochdale council that of course in greater manchester have condemned the vandalism as criminal disrespect and totally unacceptable . now progress is unacceptable. now progress is being made in a long running dispute with rail companies that's led to widespread train strikes over the last few

months. well after talks between the rail delivery group and the rmt , a plan has now been set out rmt, a plan has now been set out in what's been described as a mutually agreed way forward. it includes a pay rise backdated to 2022 and job security guarantees. the rmt says it is a welcome development . members welcome development. members will now vote on whether or not to accept the offer . reports to to accept the offer. reports to a uk police counter—terrorism hotline have more than doubled since hamas launched its attack on israel. police say the hotline received just over 1300 reports between the seventh and the 25th of october. that's more than twice the number of contacts compared to the same penod contacts compared to the same period last year. the national counter—terrorism squad that monitors material online has also seen a rise in referrals , also seen a rise in referrals, with nearly 2000 made by the pubuc with nearly 2000 made by the public since the attack . a public since the attack. a former cabinet secretary has apologised for a suggestion that chicken pox style parties could have been held for covid early

on in the pandemic. speaking at the covid inquiry, lord mark sedwill insisted he was only giving an analogy to shielding the most vulnerable, as others developed immunity. he's apologised to families of victims and accepted his suggestions could have come across as heartless and thoughtless . in the united thoughtless. in the united states . donald trump's daughter states. donald trump's daughter has taken the witness stand to testify in a civil fraud trial . testify in a civil fraud trial. ivanka trump's turn on the stand follows testimony by her two aduu follows testimony by her two adult brothers and trump himself . the lawsuit accuses mr trump and his family and the business of intentionally inflating property values and deceiving banks and insurers in pursuit of better loan terms . the judge has better loan terms. the judge has already ruled the trump organisation committed fraud , organisation committed fraud, and this trial will determine the penalties prosecutors are seeking a close to £204 million fine and severe business restrictions. mr trump has denied any wrongdoing . you're

denied any wrongdoing. you're with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . thank britain's news channel. thank you, pauline. >> now we start with the shameful images from rochdale, where the town's war memorial was daubed in pro—palestine graffiti . the incident happened graffiti. the incident happened last night and comes just a few days after a number of poppy wreaths were damaged at the same spot on monday , two teenagers spot on monday, two teenagers were charged with intentionally or recklessly causing public nuisance . rishi sunak has nuisance. rishi sunak has condemned those responsible for the vandalism , desecration of the vandalism, desecration of war memorials is absolutely sickening . sickening. >> and this weekend will be about the country coming together to pay tribute and recognise the sacrifice of so many over so many years. that's what i'll be doing and i think that's what the vast majority of this country will be doing this weekend, that moment.

this country will be doing this weeokay, that moment. this country will be doing this weeokay, let's that moment. this country will be doing this weeokay, let's cross|at moment. this country will be doing this weeokay, let's cross nowroment. this country will be doing this weeokay, let's cross now torent. >> okay, let's cross now to rochdale and speak to our north west reporter sophie west of england. reporter sophie reaper. west of england. reporter sophie reaper . good afternoon you, reaper. good afternoon to you, sophie. this is case that's sophie. this is the case that's captured the mood of a nation and not in a great way. many people say it makes them feel ashamed be british. what's ashamed to be british. what's the latest there? and more to the point, has that revolting graffiti been removed from that cenotaph ? cenotaph? >> well, good afternoon to you, martin. just to address you first point, people here in rochdale have been absolutely outraged by the graffiti ing of their war memorial yesterday day, people telling me that they are disgusted or sickened . are disgusted or sickened. however, we have been here all day reporting and we have heard some cries of free palestine. so clearly there is quite a bit of tension here in this northern town as a result, greater manchester police have got several pcsos patrolling the area. you'll see one just there, making sure that as we come up to remembrance weekend that nothing like that can ever happen again. now to address

your second point, if you look over my shoulder here, you'll see the cenotaph and you will see the cenotaph and you will see that horrible graffiti see that that horrible graffiti has now been removed . so if you has now been removed. so if you were here this time yesterday, though , you would have seen on though, you would have seen on the there there was a big the side there there was a big green blob of paint. and then on the big letters, the back in big black letters, it said free palestine. now a little bit earlier, i got the opportunity to speak to one local resident who managed to capture the graffiti on film , capture the graffiti on film, came across there was tubs of green paint up on the steps , green paint up on the steps, lots of graffiti over there . lots of graffiti over there. >> know the guy who reported was still here, but there were no culprits still here. so obviously i went with the obviously i went live with the anger. obviously i went live with the anger . it's obviously i went live with the anger. it's just obviously i went live with the anger . it's just unacceptable. anger. it's just unacceptable. completely unacceptable. >> don't know that these >> you don't know that these people died for us. >> these people died for our freedom. yeah, freedom. so, yeah, it's unacceptable it's something freedom. so, yeah, it's unacespecially it's something freedom. so, yeah, it's unacespecially rochdalething freedom. so, yeah, it's unacespecially rochdale ,|ing freedom. so, yeah, it's unacespecially rochdale , being that especially rochdale, being a led town, is not going a veteran led town, is not going to accept. think it's to accept. i don't think it's fair. no, i don't think they should deal it at should have to deal with it at all it's not it's not all because it's not it's not our problem. um, but as our problem. um, but yeah, as you can there's of you can see, there's a lot of youths who are angry with

youths here who are angry with stuff in other places we seem to be target of anger. be the target of their anger. >> sophie, this is hugely >> and sophie, this is hugely divisive . presumably this this divisive. presumably this this square , like most in britain, square, like most in britain, will have cctv camera footage on it. is there any leads, any information, as to whether anybody is being pursued for this ? well well, there is this? well well, there is definitely cctv on several of the buildings around me. >> you can see that there is cctv being recorded. gmp have told us that they are also monitoring the cenotaph using that footage. we know that. well, as far as we know, the investigation is still being carried out, but we haven't really heard much from greater manchester police today in terms of what leads they have . but i'm of what leads they have. but i'm sure over the coming days and as we closer and closer to we get closer and closer to remembrance weekend, we will potentially be hearing more. we know they're not afraid to know that they're not afraid to take action because we know those two teenagers were arrested early on in arrested and charged early on in the i'm sure if they do the week. so i'm sure if they do find the culprit that we be

find the culprit that we will be finding course if finding out in due course if they sophie reaper. >> thanks for that update live from rochdale . you know, i think from rochdale. you know, i think it's absolutely that these it's absolutely vital that these people are caught ahead of the army's march on saturday. the protests london, which, okay, protests in london, which, okay, isn't going to go near the cenotaph, but tensions are running high. we don't want any incidents all. we need calm. incidents at all. we need calm. but things like this in rochdale, they ramp up the mood, don't they? and it's vital that the authorities pursue this with the authorities pursue this with the force of the law and the full force of the law and deal with it sharpish. we need to see this dealt with as a complete disrespect to our nafion complete disrespect to our nation this most sacred and nation at this most sacred and sensitive times. and i'm sure sensitive of times. and i'm sure all of out there will be all of you out there will be saying things. us saying similar things. let us know about that. know what you think about that. vaiews@gbnews.com we'll read a few of those out later on. okay. reports police reports of police counter—terrorism hotline have more than doubled since the hamas attack on israel on october the seventh. let's speak now to our political correspondent for catherine, sir catherine. hello to you again this afternoon. this is another

shocking example we just saw there in rochdale. the graffiti on the cenotaph tensions mounting in london and these figures more than double the reports, the counter—terrorism hotline . another example of how hotline. another example of how this faraway war is impacting on british shores . british shores. >> yes , that's right. events in >> yes, that's right. events in the middle east are having huge ramifications , actions, not just ramifications, actions, not just their obvious with this horrific death toll both in israel and now in gaza, but in the united kingdom and indeed around the world, really exacerbate divisions. we've seen it very publicly on the streets, haven't we? a huge increase in anti—semitic incidents, also in islamic phobia and but going on under the surface, there's also some very worrying statistics out now, aren't there, that the number of calls to the counter—terrorism hotline in the two weeks following those attacks by hamas on october the

7th doubled in number from a campus period last year , there campus period last year, there was 1350 in total. now in terms of calls that were directly of interest to investigators, that number went up by 400. they received . 200 calls that they received. 200 calls that they thought were worth investigating. so worth pointing out, i think that the terror threat level is currently unchanged at severe. that means that an attack is likely sorry , that an attack is likely sorry, a substantial. that means an attack is likely. it's possible that it could be upgraded to severe. that would mean an attack was highly likely. the only rung above that would be critical, which would mean that an attack was highly likely imminently . but at the moment imminently. but at the moment that terror threat level has not been changed since the beginning of this conflict. but of course , of this conflict. but of course, it is a reminder, isn't it, that

the security services are working all the time to keep us safe? we don't see it. we're not aware of it most of the time. it's something that's going for obvious reasons under the radar. but they have to get get it right every time. the terrorists only have to get it right once, don't they? and of course , it's don't they? and of course, it's not very long that we have to go back just to 2017 to those horrific terrorist attacks. manchester arena bombing and westminster bridge . and indeed, westminster bridge. and indeed, in in london bridge not very long at all. so, yes, very concerning . concerning. >> and catherine, the significant figure you mentioned, there are these 200 calls with useful information and they can include things. this is not tweets or mean words . this is where people actually believe that somebody may be involved in nefarious activities such as forming a terrorist network or buying materials suitable for making explosive devices . is hostile devices. is hostile reconnaissance . now, this is

reconnaissance. now, this is this is serious stuff . and this is serious stuff. and indeed, a statement coming out from the deputy assistant commissioner, laurence taylor said, sadly, history tells us that events overseas can inspire or accelerate acts of violence much closer to home. so, catherine, this is serious stuff, isn't it ? stuff, isn't it? >> yes , it certainly is. and >> yes, it certainly is. and i don't have the figures to hand, but we do know don't we, that the security services have huge numbers of people on their radar that they are trying to monitor , that they are trying to monitor, that they are trying to monitor, that they are trying to keep tabs on far more really than they have the capacity to do. and time and again, looking back to seven over seven, those terrible attacks on the london tube , there were people that had tube, there were people that had got through. but, of course, you know, we're a population of nearly 780 million. i mean, it must be ferociously difficult to keep tabs on people. and so, you know, they really do rely on members of the public coming forward. if they see something

that they think isn't quite right, they say, you know, do come forward, do give us a tip , come forward, do give us a tip, do give us information because it could directly result in preventing a terrorist attack . preventing a terrorist attack. >> okay. thank you for that, katherine forster. and continue this conversation. now, i'm joined by the former head of the national terrorism joined by the former head of the nationaloffice, terrorism joined by the former head of the nationaloffice, chrisorism joined by the former head of the nationaloffice, chris phillips. security office, chris phillips. good afternoon to you, chris. very concerning numbers here. the one we just poured over there, 400% increase in reports with useful information taking that total to 200, a significant ramping up of the alert here. and this is directly a call is of course, by the hamas terrorists invading israel . very terrorists invading israel. very concerning time in britain . concerning time in britain. >> yes, it is it's also quite heartening that people are contacting the police with their concerns. >> that's what the police are asking people to do . asking people to do. >> and it's good that that information is coming through. but you're absolutely right. you know, the uk is a is a country

that's affected very quickly by events across the world. and there are many , many people in there are many, many people in there are many, many people in the uk, 20 to 40,000, perhaps , the uk, 20 to 40,000, perhaps, who are considered to be quite extreme in their views . and any extreme in their views. and any one of those people can of course go from extremist views into committing attack, a type of terrorism. so the police have got a lot of work on their hands. the security services work very hard to identify the people, most likely at the highest risk of committing a terror attack. and work on those people . people. >> and, chris, when it says there's useful information, those 200 calls, what kind of thing does that mean? to give us some perspective , this isn't some perspective, this isn't just like tweets or somebody saying offensive stuff. this is actual information which may help identify terrorists. right. this is specifically ramps up to the risk of there being a terrorist incident . terrorist incident. >> yeah. mean terrorists generally do leak information. you know, they will show their

extreme behaviour by their words and people are very keen now, i would imagine for sure to report those those leaks to the uk authorities . and that's a really authorities. and that's a really good thing because as we know for a fact that , you know, and for a fact that, you know, and it's an off muted phrase, but communities do defeat terrorists and terrorism and so many attacks in the uk have been defeated by this kind of information that it's really important that people do phone the police if they've got major concerns and someone just saying, you know, you know, i'm going to do this or i'm going to do that, can actually lead to someone being stopped and prevented committing terror prevented from committing terror , killing people dying , killing people and dying themselves . themselves. >> chris, do you think there's a disconnect between relying on on kind members of the public to kind of members of the public to be the eyes ears of the be the eyes and ears of the authorities and then direct it, contraventions of what's acceptable on the streets of britain? when we see protesters

crying for jihad, when we see revolting signs being held at which clearly seem to be terror related, we saw 29 arrests at the weekend , often for racially the weekend, often for racially aggravated assaults. it's one thing to have a terror hotline, but do you think the police are actually doing enough about this at street level ? well, it's at street level? well, it's really difficult, martin. >> you , as a as a >> let me tell you, as a as a police officer myself, the legislation around what is extremist views is and, you know, what actually are , you know, what actually are, you know, what actually are, you know, turns into being a criminal offence is very, very difficult. and it's okay. the cameras picking up something and then, you know , the police not then, you know, the police not necessarily seeing it themselves , but then having to react afterwards and go and arrest those people later. that sort of thing happens all the time. but i mean, we've got to put this into you into perspective as well. you know, there's 50,000 people know, if there's 50,000 people in a march, then the police have got a difficult time in got a really difficult time in their to pick out the their hands to pick out the fairly small number that are extreme and doing committing

criminal offences and what they're doing at the moment. i think is reasonable in as much as collating the evidence and then going and finding them later . it's not the not the later. it's not the not the easiest way to arrest people but it's but it's quite effective and making sure that the right people get arrested and it doesn't turn into a free for all in the middle of the street. >> okay. chris phillips, thank you very much. nice to end on a positive note. thanks for joining us on the patrick christys can get christys show. now, you can get lots more on that story on our website. get gbnews.com website. and get this gbnews.com is national is the fastest growing national news the country . news website in the country. hurrah! it's the best hurrah! it's got the best analysis and opinion as well as all the latest breaking news. and thank all very much for and thank you all very much for making happen . without you, making that happen. without you, we'd nothing . moving on to we'd be nothing. moving on to our story now, sir keir our next story now, sir keir starmer has come under fresh pressure a minister pressure after a shadow minister quit over labour's refusal to back a ceasefire in the israel—hamas war. i'm martin daubney standing in for patrick christys on gb news. this is britain's news

eamonn and isabel monday to thursdays from six till 930 . thursdays from six till 930. >> welcome back. it's 424. you're watching and listening to martin daubney on gb news covering for patrick christys . covering for patrick christys. in a few minutes, i'll tell you about the shadow cabinet minister who's quit over labour's policy on the israel hamas war. but for now , israel's hamas war. but for now, israel's security forces say it's been successful in attacking more than 100 hamas tunnels in gaza. let's cross now to tel aviv and

speak to our security editor, mark white. mark there's been significant activity overnight , significant activity overnight, right? there is news of a hamas leader pinned down in his bunker and he's been called a dead man walking by israel's defence minister. so they seem they're very, very much digging in for. action >> yeah, this is yahya sinwar. no more detail about where he is , where that bunker complex is and just how close israel is actually to taking him out of action. just a comments that were made by the israeli defence force minister last night that they were very close. they had him surrounded. they've also been, as they pushed south, deaung been, as they pushed south, dealing with these tunnels, tunnel systems , 130 so far. they tunnel systems, 130 so far. they say they have destroyed. now when they say they've destroyed them, they're talking about the tunnel entrances because the

fact is, there's hundreds of miles of tunnel systems running right through the gaza strip from the north to the south. even out into the egyptian desert, where fighters could escape from potentially in the in the days ahead. so it's going to be a very significant job for the israeli military. actually at some point to get down and into those tunnels to flush out those hamas terror ists and to try to locate the hostages, because it's believed that most , because it's believed that most, if not all of the hostages are being kept in the tunnel systems as well as of course, the hostages down there that are command and control centres . command and control centres. those weapons storage areas , as those weapons storage areas, as well as all the living quarters for the terror ists, the rocket launchers and everything like that, that they go from place to place. they spring out of a tunnel and try and ambush the israeli forces and disappear back into the tunnel systems

again. it is one of the most difficult aspects of what the israelis will be facing faced with as they push into gaza city. that and the fact that there is going to be real close quarters fighting door to door fighting in this very built up city, which still has hundreds of thousands of people, despite israel telling them now for weeks to get south, to get out of northern gaza, to the relative safety of southern gaza. today, though , we did see gaza. today, though, we did see quite a few thousand people taking advantage of a humanitarian window . a brief humanitarian window. a brief pause along . the salah al—din, pause along. the salah al—din, i should say , highway, which is should say, highway, which is the main highway from the north of gaza to the south of over recent days, five days, in fact, the numbers using that window of about four hours each day to get south has grown steadily, 15,000 yesterday, we don't know how many today, but israel said that

actually the number going south were so significant that the extended that pause . on that extended that pause. on that highway from 4 hours to 5 hours to let those people pass. >> okay, mark white, thank you for that update live from tel aviv on the same topic domestically , there's more domestically, there's more pressure on sir keir starmer today over his stance on the israel—hamas war. one of his mps has quit the shadow cabinet, imran hussain, who was shadow minister for the new deal for working people, said he could not in good conscience support his leader's position. hussain revealed that he was left deeply troubled by starmer's lbc interview in which the labour leader appeared to endorse israel's decision to cut food , israel's decision to cut food, water and power from the gaza strip. well, let's cross now and talk to gb news political editor christopher hope. chris a fresh day, a fresh nightmare. labour's palestine problem once again coming back to haunt them . coming back to haunt them. >> that's right. it's going to

keep going. i think there's a problem here for keir starmer because, of course , he got lots because, of course, he got lots of plaudits for his strong position the issue of position on the issue of israel's right to defend itself dunng israel's right to defend itself during the labour party conference. but since then he did say in that lbc interview you alluded to that that israel also had a right and ability to deny water and supplies going into to gaza. and that's been a problem for him since then, trying to unwind that position. so now you have got my hand here this is an amendment to the king's speech signed so far by 15 labour mps. the names you might expect. but if these names start to build up over the next few days and next tuesday or wednesday, next week is when it might be debated by if it's called, by the speaker of the house of commons, lindsay house of commons, sir lindsay hoyle. labour will have to hoyle. labour mps will have to say they say whether they support a ceasefire not and that's a ceasefire or not and that's a real problem i think, because of course position is course the party's position is one a ceasefire, one of not a ceasefire, but a pause fighting are also open, pause in fighting are also open, i think, to the government is they well try and give an they may well try and give an opposition debate

opposition day debate that that's a right to debate what they want to do to the snp who then may in their own way go for a on a ceasefire or not a debate on a ceasefire or not in gaza . what labour mps don't in gaza. what labour mps don't want to do at the moment is to force into a corner to choose between a ceasefire or not. with the fighting. that's a real problem for them because lots of members, many of them large members, many of them with large muslim constituencies, will not want they support want to say they support the leadership and for leadership and not go for a ceasefire. that's a problem they've got and the resignation today , as you saw there from today, as you saw there from imran hussain , i've been told imran hussain, i've been told there are at least two other shadow cabinet ministers on resignation watch tonight. so whether more go will wait and see. there are as many as 15 members of the labour frontbench who have supported or indicated their social media their support on social media calls a ceasefire. that's calls for a ceasefire. that's been for okay the for the party so far. it seems that the idea of going further maybe even backing amendment, which backing this amendment, which imran hussain has not done yet, if he do that, then it if he does do that, then it could get very, very complicated and further and difficult as we go further and difficult as we go further and worse in gaza

and bloodshed gets worse in gaza . sir keir starmer, the . for sir keir starmer, the labour leader. >> it's raining >> okay, chris, if it's raining for starmer, pouring for starmer, it's pouring for rishi course . i'm talking rishi of course. i'm talking about the recall petition has started today on peter bone , started today on peter bone, which may brenda from bristol which may as brenda from bristol says, oh no, not another one. could be another by—election for the conservatives just when they least need it . least need it. >> that's right. the tory mp for wellingborough , of course. now wellingborough, of course. now that's because. because of his behaviour in the house of commons, he's been recommended a ban of more more than ban of more than more than i think it was six weeks. so he's passed which passed the threshold, which means there's now a referendum . means there's now a referendum. one of those again martin, of local people in wellingborough. one of those again martin, of lo enough)le in wellingborough. one of those again martin, of loenough ifs in wellingborough. one of those again martin, of lo enough if more ellingborough. one of those again martin, of lo enough if more than|borough. one of those again martin, of lo enough if more than 10% ugh. one of those again martin, of loenough if more than 10% ofh. if enough if more than 10% of voters there demand and a recall by—election then mr bowen either must fight it or resign his seat and someone else, someone else fights it. there are reports that he's been out there on the campaign trail already trying to win support amongst local people. so it may well be that he wants to fight that one again. will be again. and labour will be licking i think licking their lips. i think wellingborough by wellingborough was won by 19,000, at the last

19,000, 18,000 or so at the last general a chance there general election, a chance there for labour another for labour to inflict another blow on rishi sunaks tory party any by—election wouldn't be before christmas , more likely in before christmas, more likely in january or february in what will be an election year. so not easy, but this is issues easy, but again, this is issues brought on the party on rishi sunak's party by his own mps and their behaviour. >> okay, chris, thanks for that update westminster. update live from westminster. now there's loads more still to come and 5:00, come between now and 5:00, including has including carol vorderman has lost her job after breaching the bbc's new social media guidelines as surely she's only got herself to blame. but first, here's your latest news headunes here's your latest news headlines polly middlehurst headlines with polly middlehurst i >> -- >> well, the top stories this houn >> well, the top stories this hour. gb news understands that the mayor of london, sadiq khan , the mayor of london, sadiq khan, to whom the metropolitan police chief answers, hasn't been ianed chief answers, hasn't been invited to a meeting between sir mark rowley and the prime minister and downing street has been busy today denying putting

pressure on the met police by saying it would be held accountable for giving the go ahead to marches on armistice day. meanwhile, the foreign office has said more than 150 british nationals have left gaza via the rafah crossing in egypt as of last night. that comes as the israeli military says thousands of civilians have been heading from northern gaza to the south of the strip. and here at home, progress is finally being made in the government's long running dispute with rail unions. that's to led widespread strikes over the last few months. after talks between the rail delivery group and the rmt union. a pay rise and job security guarantees have been talked about and have it's been described as a mutually agreed way forward for both sides. keeping tabs on that for you right here on gb news. those are our top stories is more on our website gbnews.com .

website gbnews.com. >> and cheers for that , polly. >> and cheers for that, polly. now to the latest on the controversial pro—palestine march this planned, of course, on armistice day this saturday. downing street has denied rishi sunakis downing street has denied rishi sunak is trying to put pressure on the met's police commissioner by saying that he will hold him accountable . accountable. >> now, this is a decision that the metropolitan police commissioner , and he commissioner has made, and he has that he can ensure that has said that he can ensure that he safeguards remembrance for the country. >> this weekend, as well as keep the public safe. now, my job is to hold him accountable for that. and we've asked the police for information how they will for information on how they will ensure happens . ensure that this happens. >> okay. this comes as the prime minister meets meets mark rowley over the decision not to ban the march. well, the author and founder of migration films, matthew robinson , thinks this matthew robinson, thinks this weekend's pro—palestine protests should go ahead . he told us why should go ahead. he told us why he will be joining the march. i'll be attending . i'll be attending. >> um, i have been documenting these marches since 2021. i'm a humanitarian filmmaker, so , um,

humanitarian filmmaker, so, um, and as a humanitarian , you're and as a humanitarian, you're not supposed to take sides. however when i saw what was happening in al—aqsa mosque and jerusalem , um, in 2021, jerusalem, um, in 2021, i started to film the protests. i felt the mainstream news was not covering it properly. so that's why i'm going to be there. if i wasn't filming , i would there wasn't filming, i would be there raising my voice, calling for a ceasefire. now now, um, obviously , you know, i think one obviously, you know, i think one of the key things here is , is of the key things here is, is the divisive suella braverman calls these hate marches . calls these hate marches. they're not hate marches. her speech is hate speech. she's causing division within community as well. >> he doesn't think the hate marches, but a lot of people do. and i'm joined now by former scotland yard detective chief inspector paul settle. good afternoon paul. always afternoon to you, paul. always a pleasure. start with the pleasure. can i start with the nofion pleasure. can i start with the notion mark rowley said there is notion mark rowley said there is no law to ban protest. is that true ? because i thought we had true? because i thought we had section 13 of the public order act, which would specifically allow us to do precisely that . allow us to do precisely that. what's the truth? yeah good afternoon. >> i think unfortunately, we're

in a situation where existing legislation has been diluted and isn't being practically applied. you know, i think on the basis of the existing protest marches that have happened where people have displayed or chanted or waved flags that support hamas and hezbollah, which are both proscribed organisations under the terrorism act, in the same way that the ira is. i think if a bit of preparation was done, there could be a compelling argument put forward that would allow this protest to be banned. okay >> so with that in mind, why hasn't that happened? i mean, when you look at the public order act, it specifically states if there is a risk of serious public disorder, serious criminal damage or serious disruption to the life of the community, then they can be banned. well, we've seen a 650% boom in anti—semitism . we saw 29 boom in anti—semitism. we saw 29 arrests at the weekend, for some racial, racial aggravation . racial, racial aggravation. surely that threshold has been reached . paul

reached. paul >> i couldn't agree more. i mean , you've got the jewish community that's living in fear at the moment. you you've got the potential for there to be conflict between the veterans community. and on this the most sacred of weekends for once, it's about time that the police stood up and said, no, we're banning it. and you know what? we'll put it in front of a court and let them decide rather than taking decision taking this arbitrary decision about talking about a high threshold and it's not met. et cetera. you know, this is just a recipe for disaster. and i think that high threshold might be reviewed in the near future should something happen. and paul should something happen. and paul, to be fair to the marchers organisers, they said that they will go nowhere near the cenotaph. >> they'll go nowhere near the armistice. silence on saturday. their routes will be three hours later. so the question is though, do we believe them? and anyway, if the organisers say that you can't control the whole mob , as somebody who spent your mob, as somebody who spent your career at scotland yard, if something does happen on

saturday, which nobody wants, how damaging do you think that will be to the police having stood aside and allowed this to happen? >>i happen? >> i think this stage with the pubuc >> i think this stage with the public confidence in the police as it stands at the moment, it would be absolutely devastating. i'm a firm believer that the pubuc i'm a firm believer that the public wants to see the police. police and i'm a firm believer that the vast majority of the uk pubucis that the vast majority of the uk public is absolutely horrified at this, that they're choosing to do this on the most sacred of weekends . free speech isn't weekends. free speech isn't free. and this weekend reminds us of that . us of that. >> paul if we sort of agree then that they're not going to ban this. and by the way, where is sadiq khan? isn't he the de facto police and crime commissioner of london? not a dicky bird out of khan on this. he's normally not shy of a word or two. but if we can say, okay, we've gone too far, this won't be stopped what would you be stopped now, what would you do ? as former scotland yard do? as the former scotland yard detective chief inspector, detective? chief inspector, would ring of steel would you put a ring of steel along whitehall? would you completely ring the area

completely ring fence the area off? you think is the off? what do you think is the best at late best compromise at this late stage? think i think the stage? paul i think i think the best compromise at this stage is very, very visible policing presence around this march. >> and physical obstructions put in place to prevent them from going anywhere near where they're going to cause offence and at the same time a very robust approach taken to anybody that starts calling for jihad or supporting a proscribed organisation . ian the time has organisation. ian the time has come for this to stop, but isn't part of the problem? >> paul , is part of the problem? >> paul, is that the part of the problem? >> paul , is that the police say, >> paul, is that the police say, well actually the word jihad can have several different meanings. well actually the word jihad can hedoesn't ral different meanings. well actually the word jihad can hedoesn't necessarily meanings. it doesn't necessarily mean let's war. and do let's have a holy war. and do you feel for the for the poor bobby on the beat who really doesn't know what they're doing? because command from because the kind of command from up be all over up above seems to be all over the . the shop. >> i absolutely have the utmost sympathy for the guys and girls that are going to be on the front because repeatedly front line, because repeatedly they've been let down by their senior thrown senior officers and thrown to the wolves late and i think the wolves of late and i think

that, you know, the sad reality is they're not given the is that they're not given the tools they need to do the job. and that is the that is the senior management's fault. you know, there exist there's existing legislation. we can argue about the meaning of jihad. but do you know what? let a court do that on monday after they've been taken out of circulation . an and after our circulation. an and after our weekend of remember , this has weekend of remember, this has been allowed to proceed peacefully . peacefully. >> and paul, do you think things such as when the metropolitan police or some of officers police or some of the officers were taking the knee to black lives matter during those protests? clamp protests? we saw people clamp onto the cenotaph and set fire to the flags during that disgraceful scenes, the police seem to just stand aside. they weren't protecting the cenotaph . weren't protecting the cenotaph. they weren't protecting the churchill which of churchill statue, which, of course, you course, was vandalised. do you think soft policing think that soft policing then, is kind of why we're in this quagmire now ? oh, well, i was quagmire now? oh, well, i was absolutely disgusted by that. >> you know, the police officers take an oath of allegiance to be impartial and to enforce the law

regardless . ndless and they just regardless. ndless and they just didn't. and it has been well proven time and time again that the biggest prevention of crime is the fear of being caught. the biggest prevention of crime is the fear of being caught . and is the fear of being caught. and if you've got police officers engaging, not so long ago, we had a female member of staff openly supporting palestinians on duty in uniform, and that is just unacceptable. you're there to be apolitical. you're there to be apolitical. you're there to enforce the law fairly and firmly . and if you've not been firmly. and if you've not been allowed to do that for years and years, we end up in this position where nobody's bothered about coming down to london and causing aggro . they're just causing aggro. they're just going because there's going to do it because there's absolutely zero fear of the consequence ounces. >> well, paul, you've taken the words out my mouth policing words out of my mouth policing without fear or favour used to be the holy oath of policing . be the holy oath of policing. but i see a policing community that are policing with fear. they're afraid of being called racist and they are favouring certain communities. how how badly do you think that bond of the core element of policing has

been broken by the modern policing management? >> i, i don't know how far the how much further the pendulum can swing before it snaps . and i can swing before it snaps. and i say that with serving family and i say that with serving friends . i say that with serving friends. and they are absolutely petrified of doing anything. the culture now seems to be giving you 99 reasons why you shouldn't do something as opposed to the one moral outrage , standing one moral outrage, standing reason why you should and that can be applied right away across modern policing. now they're running scared . they're too running scared. they're too scared to do anything in case they get thrown under the bus or investigated for 2 or 3 years, sidelined or whatever it is, and it's just ruined that very core part of policing, which was the bobby on the beats initiative . bobby on the beats initiative. their ingenuity, their training , their ingenuity, their training, their knowledge and their ability to exercise discretion or not. whenever they needed to. and that's what made the british bobby famous throughout the world. and we've gone from a

position where we were internationally renowned to, quite frankly, being a bit of an embarrassment. and i'd paul, i know it must hurt you to say that, you know, i can see i can see the pain on your face when you have to admit such a thing when sunak says that he when rishi sunak says that he will hold mark rowley accountable if this doesn't work out , if rowley's stance to kind out, if rowley's stance to kind of go soft on this , to stand off of go soft on this, to stand off comes to pass and something does occur, what does that accountability look like? >> what would you like to see? is that the immediate sack for him? well well, this is this is what needs to be understood. >> and unfortunately, sir mark rowley's boss is sadiq khan . rowley's boss is sadiq khan. where is he ? so, so rishi sunak where is he? so, so rishi sunak can can complain, can criticise, can can complain, can criticise, can say he's going to be held accountable . but. but accountable. but. but ultimately, the hiring fire of sir mark rowley is sadiq khan. and i think we all know which side he stands on. >> okay. well, scotland yard

detective chief inspector paul settle, thank you for an impassioned and from the heart defence. that was superb. thank you very much. thank you. moving on, the bbc's new social media policy has claimed its first victim, an amazingly . it's not victim, an amazingly. it's not gary lineker . carol vorderman gary lineker. carol vorderman has lost her job after posting more anti—government abuse on twitter . what a tweet. i'm also twitter. what a tweet. i'm also daubney in for patrick christys on gb news. and this is

sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news. >> welcome back . it's 447. >> welcome back. it's 447. you're watching and listening to martin daubney on gb news standing in for patrick christys now 5:00. we'll have the latest on the controversial day march which will see thousands and thousands of pro—palestine protesters in central london. but before that, let's have a bit of fun because carol vorderman has lost her job with the bbc after breaching the corporation's new social media policy . vorderman regularly policy. vorderman regularly abused the government on twitter before the new rules came in. but she said today that bbc management has decided she should give up her saturday morning show on radio wales over a breach of those guidelines. well, last night vorderman tweeted the two most senior civil servants called johnson's number 10 mad and poisonous hashtag covid inquiry. simon kay said, i've never seen a bunch of

people less well equipped to run a country while people die. the nhs was on its knees and money was funnelled to the vip lane in. well, joining me now is former bbc radio four presenter roger bolton. so roger, i guess you could say hurrah to the bbc. they brought in social media guidelines, carol vorderman contravened them and she's met with her fate . with her fate. >> well, i think it's rather sad, but it's inevitable . the sad, but it's inevitable. the guidelines are quite tricky to understand. so there will be defined by individual cases . and defined by individual cases. and i think this is one where the bbc put to carol a contract which incorporated the new guidelines and she wouldn't accept them because she thinks that's limiting her right to free speech. i think the specific part of the guidelines that probably caused the problem, which is that bit which talks about all bbc staff and freelancers are required to respect civility in public discourse and not to bring the

bbc into disrepute. and as you know, she expresses herself quite vividly. she called the government a lying bunch of greedy, corrupt, destructive , greedy, corrupt, destructive, hateful, divisive gaslight , hateful, divisive gaslight, lying crooks. well i think that probably does that sort of thing. >> probably does bring the bbc into disrepute, but it certainly does. >> and the rules are quite clear that they're website that they're on the bbc website for all to read. individuals working in news current working in news and current affairs and journalism , affairs and factory journalism, along have along with all leaders, have a particular responsibility to uphold. bbc's impartiality uphold. the bbc's impartiality through their actions on social media. she clearly didn't, so she had to go. i wonder if vorderman does believe in free speech though, because she spends half of the time trying to get people closed down, particularly channelswho particularly tv channels who don't with her. so do you don't agree with her. so do you think she'll have got her just desserts? >> i wouldn't pass judgement on that, but i would suggest to you, since i know the gb news wants strong vivid wants to have strong and vivid opinion expressed and you've just expressing in just been expressing them in the previous item, didn't you previous item, why didn't you ask vorderman present ask carol vorderman to present a show you where she can

show for you where she can express views? you know, express these views? you know, why don't then she can why don't you? and then she can have express views which would be from but be different from yours, but would now, would be vividly expressed. now, i know, she's i think, carol, you know, she's a presenter, but do a very good presenter, but i do think language went too think that language went too far. think what it far. and i do think what it represents is a real danger in our democracy where we assume that we disagree with that everybody we disagree with is crooked, bent, is in some way crooked, bent, whatever , you know, don't feel whatever, you know, don't feel like about rishi sunak sunak or or or about the leader or whatever or about the leader of the labour party. i mean, they're faced with considerable massive problems and, and you know, if we use this sort of language about them, we're not encouraging them to be open with us. we're encouraging to us. we're encouraging them to fear fear what we're fear us and fear what we're going because first going to say, because the first thing we'll do is accuse them of being crooks. thing we'll do is accuse them of beiiokay,oks. thing we'll do is accuse them of beiiokay, roger. if >> okay, roger. well, if vorderman's surely >> okay, roger. well, if vordelineker surely >> okay, roger. well, if vordelineker be surely >> okay, roger. well, if vordelineker be next.|rely gary lineker should be next. >> well, i think what's interesting is, of course, the bbc looks as though bbc are going to get match of the day back. the new contract, i think itv aren't going to bid, so they'll make a decision they'll have to make a decision down they down the line about who they want and that's a want to present it. and that's a decision for gary lineker

because he will be difficult because he will be difficult because he'll presented with a contract which will into the contract which will put into the contract which will put into the contract these bbc guidelines . contract these bbc guidelines. and he is as a show which is one of the most important shows, and he is a figure who is supposed to or many people take to be a representative of the bbc will either have to sign up to be relatively silent in future or express his views very carefully i >> -- >> okay, roger bolton, thank you very much. i'm afraid. i'm afraid i have to limit your freedom of speech simply because of time. we have to leave it there. thank you for joining of time. we have to leave it there. thank you forjoining us there. thank you for joining us on cheers. moving there. thank you for joining us on the cheers. moving there. thank you for joining us on the government. moving there. thank you for joining us on the government believesyving on, the government believes there are still three british hostages held hamas hostages being held by hamas in the strip. reporter the gaza strip. our reporter jack carson has talking to jack carson has been talking to members of the goldstein almog family relatives were family whose relatives were taken hostage than a month taken hostage more than a month ago when that message came , that ago when that message came, that was me gone. >> messages and calls hallett couldn't imagine ever having to answer on the 7th of october, hamas terrorist force entered parts of southern israel and

went from kibbutz to kibbutz , went from kibbutz to kibbutz, killing 1400 israeli people. >> 240 were taken hostage by hamas . amongst those families hamas. amongst those families devastated by the events of that day are the goldstein almog family . 49 year old nadav, seen family. 49 year old nadav, seen here in the red jumper and 20 year old yam had been killed. wife and mum hen and children agam gal and tal were all missing just weeks before the attacks, 11 year old gal and nine year old tal were captured dancing in this home video . go dancing in this home video. go khalife grew up with hen and her family, but has been living in the uk for 30 years. she met me in birmingham and introduces me to omri, who's in israel campaigning for his family's safe return. so you're just about to meet omri almog, who is hen hen's brother omri , myself hen hen's brother omri, myself and hen will grow up in kibbutz gevim. he describes the aftermath that day on october 11th, after my parents came back

from a bus area, a with the dna, they confirmed that nadav and yam they are murdered at the house and my sister and the three kids basically kidnapped and they were missing for nine days. >> and then they moved from missing to kidnap and. right now we know they are they are alive , we know they are they are alive, but we're not sure where. we're not sure if they get the medicine, they get food. they get clothes. we don't know anything else. this this situation is a horrible situation. we have nothing to lose. this is the situation that ihave lose. this is the situation that i have now because it's a broken family . the family is broke. we family. the family is broke. we need to bring back whatever left from the family. >> living in walsall, hallett wasn't aware of the attacks until a call from her mum revealed the nature of what was happening. she describes the moment she found out hen and her children had taken hostage . children had been taken hostage. >> you're really, really sad, but then really , really but then you're really, really happy not dead . happy that they're not dead.

there's hope. suddenly there's hope. and even though you're conflicted with you don't know what's going to happen . now, what's going to happen. now, a part of you is thinking it's alive . you know they're alive alive. you know they're alive now . now. >> now working with omri and others , she's helping spread the others, she's helping spread the bnng others, she's helping spread the bring them home now campaign internationally. her mission here in the uk is clear. >> my objective is to try and reach the prime minister, ask if, you know, just hear anne—marie's story. you know, it's one. it's one thing looking at what's going on and it's another thing listening to a personal story of somebody that his sister is missing and the anguish and just to remember, people need to remember that these are children , karen. these these are children, karen. these are children. these babies, toddlers that disabled people. they're humans . they didn't do they're humans. they didn't do anything . anything. >> whilst the grief will not ease for some time, the hope for the safe return of the 240 hostages lives on jack carson .

hostages lives on jack carson. gb news. >> okay, now we can bring you some breaking news. the metropolitan police has made 188 arrests for hate crimes and violence since hamas terror attack on israel on october the seventh. to repeat that dramatic news, the met has made 188 arrests for hate crimes and violence since hamas terror attack on israel on october the 7th. dramatic breaking news there, the clampdown begins. they said they will get tough . they said they will get tough. it looks like that has happened to repeat 188 arrests for hate crimes and violence since hamas terror attack on october 7th. stay with us. this is the patrick christys show

gb news afternoon. it's 5 pm. welcome to the patrick christys show with me martin daubney got loads coming up on today's show in the next hour. first of all, rishi sunak has called the armistice day disrespectful . mark day marchers disrespectful. mark rowley says there are no laws that can ban them. and where sadiq khan, he's missing in action ahead of saturday's big march. next story labour in meltdown as a minister resigns over keir starmer's position on the israel gaza war . over keir starmer's position on the israel gaza war. imran hossain says his position is untenable as labour heads into meltdown over this issue. next topic the jamie bulger parole

heanng topic the jamie bulger parole hearing is due on the 14th and the 15th of november, but the family , the parents have been family, the parents have been banned from attending. do we think that's right? is it time for the law to change and favour the victims and not the perpetrators , owners of crime? perpetrators, owners of crime? and finally , britain at last and finally, britain at last tops the world in something we're on top of the world. but the bad news is it's for binge drinking amongst women and they're on the session. what's causing that? loads more to come on today's show . and as usual, on today's show. and as usual, please get in touch with all your views. there's loads of topics today that march is getting people going , a labour getting people going, a labour and meltdown . get in touch the and meltdown. get in touch the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com. but before all of that, here's your news headlines with polly middlehurst . martin thank you middlehurst. martin thank you and good evening to you. >> well, our top story from the

newsroom is that we understand that the mayor of london, sadiq khan, to whom the metropolitan police chief answers , has not police chief answers, has not been invited today to a meeting between sir mark rowley and the prime minister and downing street denies putting pressure on the met police by saying it would be held accountable for giving the ahead to marches giving the go ahead to marches on day . well, london's on armistice day. well, london's police commissioner says intelligence surrounding the potential for serious disorder this weekend doesn't meet the threshold to apply for a ban to the march rishi sunak , however, the march rishi sunak, however, says the march would be disrespectful . disrespectful. >> yeah, this is a decision that the metropolitan police commissioner has made and he has said that he can ensure that he safeguards remembrance for the country this weekend as well as keep the public safe. >> now, my job is to hold him accountable for that. and we've asked the police for information on how they will ensure that this happens and i'll be meeting the metropolitan police commissioner today commissioner later today to discuss this. and more broadly,

you know, my view is these you know, my view is that these marches disruptive , mean . marches are disruptive, mean. >> meanwhile, the foreign office says more than 150 british nationals have left gaza via the rafah crossing in egypt as of last night. that comes as the israeli military says thousands of civilians have been heading from northern gaza to the south of the strip and the united nafions of the strip and the united nations says 15,000 people pass through the rafah crossing. yesterday. israel says it won't reoccupy the gaza strip or control it for an extended penod control it for an extended period of time. meanwhile they have been pressing on with their offensive against hamas. well in gaza, footage has been released showing thick clouds of grey smoke billowing in a column from northern gaza . that comes after northern gaza. that comes after the israeli military said their air and ground offensive was still targeting hamas tunnel network beneath the gaza strip. and here in the uk, a war memorial in greater manchester is being guarded by police today after protesters sprayed free

palestine graffiti across its base grey two manchester police said the cenotaph in rochdale was vandalised and poppies were removed yesterday afternoon and it's currently a crime scene. both police and rochdale council have condemned the vandalism as criminal disrespect, which is totally unacceptable . and in totally unacceptable. and in parliament a labour government minister has resigned from the shadow frontbench in protest at sir keir starmer's position on the israel hamas war. imran hussain's resignation letter says it's become clear that his view on the ongoing catastrophe in gaza differs substantially from the position of the leader of the opposition. the mp for bradford east condemned hamas's attack on october the 7th, but also said the situation in gaza is horrific. mr hussain says sir keir starmer should be calling for a ceasefire now in other news today, a 15 year old boy who died after a stabbing near a

school in leeds has been named in the last hour as alfie lewis . in the last hour as alfie lewis. west yorkshire police say emergency services were called to horsforth yesterday afternoon. police have launched afternoon. police have launched a murder investigation with one arrest of a teenage boy so far, alfie's family say he was 1 in 1,000,000 and had the biggest heart . now progress is finally heart. now progress is finally being made in the government's long running dispute with rail unions. that's led to widespread train strikes over recent months. well, after talks between the rail delivery group and the union, a plan has and the rmt union, a plan has now been set out in what's been described as a mutually agreed way forward. that includes a pay rise backed dated to 2022 and job security guarantees. the rmt says it's a welcome development . says it's a welcome development. members will now vote on whether or not to accept the offer . a or not to accept the offer. a former cabinet minister has today apologised for his

suggestion that chickenpox style parties could have helped spread covid immunity in the early days of the pandemic. speaking at the covid inquiry lord mark sedwill insisted he was suggesting a way of shielding the most vulnerable, while others developed immunity. but he has now apologised to families of victims and accepted his suggestions could have come across as heartless . and we're across as heartless. and we're keeping an eye on events for you in new york, in the united states at the moment, where donald trump's daughter has taken to the witness stand to testify in a civil fraud trial . testify in a civil fraud trial. ivanka trump's turn on the witness stand follows testimony by her two brothers and her father. well, in the last hour , father. well, in the last hour, she's been put under pressure to remember her precise involvement with critical documents about donald trump's business empire . donald trump's business empire. the lawsuit alleges mr trump intentionally inflated the value of his property to deceive banks and insurers, thereby gaining better terms on loans. the judge has already ruled that the trump

organisation committed fraud and that this trial will merely determine the penalties. prosecute looters are seeking close to a £200 million fine, together with future estrictions on business dealings for mr trump, who has denied any wrongdoing, calling the trial a witch hunt . and you are with gb witch hunt. and you are with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . on poly. news channel. on poly. >> now we start with the news that just broke a few minutes ago.the that just broke a few minutes ago. the metropolitan police has dramatically made 188 arrests for hate crimes and violence since hamas terror attack on israel. this month. and looking at the metropolitan police's press release . here, 188 arrests press release. here, 188 arrests involving hate crimes and acts such as violence linked to protests in the capital. so these arrests are specifically

around around the protests that have happened over the last four saturdays. another one, of course, coming up this saturday. and the details are this of these 98 are suspected anti semitic offences to 31 or alleged islamophobic offences and a further 12 are believed to be fake hate crimes in addition, 57 of public order offences, including many which are racially aggravated of these offences, 46 people have been charged with offences on of these , 19 involve of allegations these, 19 involve of allegations of anti—semitism . the vast of anti—semitism. the vast majority of these protest arrests took place in westminster, which is, of course where the protests were were while the majority of anti semitic offences were reported in hackney, where there is a large jewish community. so targeted abuse , jews in hackney

targeted abuse, jews in hackney against the jewish community, people in this area are being supported fully by local policing and crime prevention tactics are in place to tackle hate crimes and arrest these offenders. commander paul travers, who is responsible for criminal justice outcomes, said this. this is a challenging time for communities in london. we continue to see a very concerning rise in both anti—semitic and islamophobic hate crime. this is absolutely an unacceptable no one should be subjected to hate because of their faith or race. and we are taking action against those who are offending . we are working are offending. we are working with the crown prosecution service to build strong cases against those offend. we continue to work extremely closely with our faith communities and we know the impact on on them is not diminished . so to repeat, 188 diminished. so to repeat, 188 arrests, the majority of them

98, are suspected anti—semitic offences. the majority of them taken place in hackney . targeted taken place in hackney. targeted abuse on the jewish community there, 57 public order offences, including many which are racially aggravated. so the police said there would be a clampdown. this is direct evidence of a rise, a soaring rise in anti—semitism , driven rise in anti—semitism, driven directly by these protests. these arrests are all directed unked these arrests are all directed linked to those protests, according to the metropolitan police. this is breaking news just now, 188 arrests, 98 anti—semitic offences , 21 anti—semitic offences, 21 alleged islamic islamophobic offences, and a further 12 faith hate crimes are racially aggravated, 46 people charge 19 of those allegations are anti—semitism . um, most took anti—semitism. um, most took place in westminster where those protests obviously took place. the majority to repeat one more time of those anti—semitic offences were reported in hackney targeted at the large

jewish community and they are calling for anybody with any evidence of any further crimes, any experiences or threatening behaviour if they've been targeted, including online or if you're worried about your safety . and we've seen reports of jewish people on the front page of newspapers to have afraid to even their homes , they even leave their homes, they should contact police on 101 should contact the police on 101 or 999. in an emergency, 188 arrests, a clampdown on protests , the violence and crime ahead of the big demonstrate nation coming up, of course , this coming up, of course, this saturday on armistice day . now, saturday on armistice day. now, that news comes as the met's police commissioner, sir mark rowley , comes under more rowley, comes under more pressure over his decision not to ban the controversial pro—palestine march that's planned, as i said, for armistice day this saturday. and downing street has denied rishi sunakis downing street has denied rishi sunak is trying to put pressure on sir mark by saying he will be held accountable. >> all this is a decision that the metropolitan police commissioner has made, and he

has said that he can ensure that he safe guards remembrance for the country this weekend, as well as keep the public safe. >> now, my job is to hold him accountable for that. and we've asked the police for information on how they will ensure that this happens . this happens. >> comes as the prime >> and this comes as the prime minister meets mark rowley over the decision, not to ban that march. and the author and founder migration films, founder of migration films, matthew thinks this matthew robinson, thinks this weekend's pro—palestine protest should ahead . despite all of should go ahead. despite all of that, told us why he will be that, he told us why he will be joining the march on saturday. >> i'll be attending . joining the march on saturday. >> i'll be attending. i joining the march on saturday. >> i'll be attending . i have >> i'll be attending. i have been documenting these marches since 2021. i'm a humanitarian filmmaker, so , um, and as filmmaker, so, um, and as a humanitarian , not supposed to humanitarian, not supposed to take sides. however when i saw what was happening in al—aqsa mosque and jerusalem in 2021, i started to film the protests. i felt the mainstream news was not covering it properly. so that's why i'm going to be there. if i wasn't filming, i would be there raising my voice, calling for a ceasefire. now um, obviously you

know, i think one of the key things here is the divisive of suella braverman causes hate marches. they're not hate marches. they're not hate marches . her speech is hate marches. her speech is hate speech. she's causing division within communities. >> okay. well, i'm joined now by rebecca butler, who's a barrister to discuss this. thanks for joining barrister to discuss this. thanks forjoining us, rebecca. first question for you is mark rowley is quite clear. he's saying there are no laws as to ban protests yet. we've heard repeatedly about section 13 of the public order act, which seems to indicate there are clear laws to ban protests. where's the truth ? where's the truth? >> well, there are there are laws to ban protests , but they laws to ban protests, but they would only be used in very extreme circumstances as you're aware, during the lockdown down there were there was a restriction on rights of assembly and so any march then was was prohibited by law . was was prohibited by law. >> so but in this case, it is slightly tricky because the law makes a distinction between an assembly which is static and a

march and sir mark rowley has been using that as an excuse, saying that this is an assembly which has different restrictions to a march , even though they to a march, even though they call themselves marchers . so, call themselves marchers. so, um, but i think that what where we've been up until this point is that the met police have want to have a light touch on the powers that they do have available to them . the home available to them. the home secretary also doesn't want to press the button on the powers she has. press the button on the powers she has i press the button on the powers she has. i think for fear of, of raising the stakes and creating even more problems than they've got at the moment, which, by the way, are significant. >> but rebecca, surely for the law to be effective, it needs to be nimble. don't know if be nimble. i don't know if you're aware , but in last you're aware, but in the last half hour, the metropolitan half an hour, the metropolitan police announced 188 arrests police has announced 188 arrests have been made involving hate crimes and acts such as violence , specifically linked to the past week's protests in the

caphal past week's protests in the capital. the majority of them in westminster and the racially targeted abuse, which was largely against the jewish community. 98 of those targeted within hackney. does this new information, these new wave of arrests , should that change mark arrests, should that change mark rowley's position? because clearly there is a clear and present threat of violence on these arrests on these marches at the weekend . at the weekend. >> yeah, the legal threat, the legal test is serious and violent disorder. >> so that's what he has to look at. now where i think there could be a problem is that you may have seen that tommy robinson has now calling for an armistice day turnout for, you know, patriots, as he calls them. and now this does raise them. and now this does raise the risk of violent disorder. yeah. but as i say, you know, you and i might agree and i'm sure we do, that we don't want to see these marches anyway because we look at them and we think they're anti—semitic. and

we hear a shout for jihad think they're anti—semitic. and we hear a shout forjihad and think that's a call to arms. we hear the shout for from the river to the sea. and we think thatis river to the sea. and we think that is a call for an armed struggle to rid the that holy land of the israelis in in completion , we hear kiba or kiba completion, we hear kiba or kiba , and we know that relates back to a medieval battle between when the jews and the muslims. but sir mark rowley has been trying to redefine those very simple terms for the last two weeks. so he now says jihad is a struggle . it could be internal. struggle. it could be internal. he says is river to the sea is just like a peaceful expression of wanting land and khyber or khyben of wanting land and khyber or khyber. and i think, you know, he'll be telling us it's a carry on movie next. who knows? you know, sir mark rowley has been on the back foot all the time here. he isn't using the powers that already do exist in the law

to prevent racial hatred, to prevent disorder, to prevent proscribed groups from being out on these protests. and he's identified that there are about six groups who are affiliated to hamas who are appearing on these marches, and yet they they're very slow to do anything about it. they've created their own problem here. martin rebecca, thank you very much for joining us. >> us. >> and i think you're absolutely right. you know, events now surely must force this decision to be reconsidered with 188 arrests. this is no time, surely, to sit on our hands. thank you for joining surely, to sit on our hands. thank you forjoining us on the thank you for joining us on the patrick christys show with me, martin daubney. lamb moving on, the minister has met with the prime minister has met with met's police chief, sir mark rowley about probe , rowley about this probe, palestinian protest that's planned armistice day. let's planned for armistice day. let's get the latest on gb news from gb political editor chris gb news political editor chris for hope. so, chris, any news of what out of that meeting what came out of that meeting for this dramatic revelation of 188 arrests, direct linked to

these pro—palestinian protests thus far ? thus far? >> yeah , no news from the >> yeah, no news from the meeting. they have met earlier today. we know that sir mark rowley cancelled a session at the institute for government, a think tank, and then met with the prime minister richard tice sunak, notably not the home secretary , who is the notional secretary, who is the notional for boss mark rowley, but in fact the prime minister we've had a briefing just out from number 10 downing street. it says here that the march will go ahead instead on, on, on, on the weekend the pm's spokesman tells us that he was that he asked sir mark rowley to give assurances that police are taking every step necessary to safeguard remembrance services, provide reassurance to those who wish to pay reassurance to those who wish to pay their respects across the country and keep the public safe from disorder. this weekend, we are told by number 10, it's welcomed that the met police confirmed the march will be away from the cenotaph and they will ensure timings not ensure the timings do not conflict with with any remembrance that means

remembrance events that means it's happening in the afternoon. some hours after the. 11:11 some some hours after the. 11:11 am. most recent on the cenotaph a.m. most recent on the cenotaph on whitehall. that's what the pm discussed it in that meeting the commission for the number 10 says has committed to keep the met police's posture under constant review based on the latest intelligence about the nature of the protest. so as things stand and despite calling in the met police chief, despite the clear concern in number 10, nothing has changed. >> okay, chris and just to repeat, since those terrorist attacks, we've we've made a total of 188 arrests involving hate crimes. and acts such as violence linked to protests in the capital. dramatic times. do you think there's any way that this will change now , now, if this will change now, now, if there's been no action thus far from mark rowley, does this new information, do you think, force his hand in any way or do you think he'll stay firm and allow freedom of expression to win the day ? day? >> it just shows how how what we

the met police are in a very difficult, difficult position. they're judging whether they can cancel the march. according to a 1936 piece of the public order act, they're which allows marches to go ahead. it's very rare for the uk government ever to step in and ban a march. it happenedin to step in and ban a march. it happened in 2011 when the when the english defence league planned a march east london. planned a march in east london. theresa the home secretary theresa may the home secretary at the time, stepped in and banned taking place banned that march taking place in a number of postcodes in east london month. it's quite london for a month. it's quite a big moment i think, for any government to step in and stop marches happening. the nature of our we allow our democracy is that we allow everyone their their everyone to express their their views , their opinion. however views, their opinion. however they say it. the problem they want to say it. the problem is, it threatens is, if it if it threatens disorder or imposes on people respecting the war dead at that 11 a the 11 am. services around the country on armistice saturday and also on remembrance day on sunday. and that's the that's the narrow line as ever the police are walking it's not easy but they've got to try and make clear that they've got to

allow the people to have to make their protest, that they want to not they it, not saying they support it, but allowing protest allowing the right to protest means not pushed to means that they're not pushed to the margins and they can protest . that's where sir mark . and that's the where sir mark rowley if that changes, rowley is. but if that changes, it's very clear that if that changes, met police chief changes, the met police chief has told the today they will has told the pm today they will review decision. okay review that decision. okay chris, for that update chris, thank you for that update live from westminster. >> get lots more on that >> you get lots more on that story on our website and get this gbnews.com is the fastest growing national news website in the . hurrah that. the country. hurrah to that. it's analysis and it's got the best analysis and opinion well as all the opinion as well as all the latest breaking news. thank latest breaking news. and thank you, out there for you, everybody out there for making happen without you. making that happen without you. we now moving on. is we are nothing now moving on. is rishi sunak facing yet another by—election as brenda from bristol said, not another one. the recall petition triggered by tory mp peter bone's suspension for bullying and sexual misconduct has opened . i'm misconduct has opened. i'm martin daubney in for patrick christys on gb news and this is

weeknights from . six weeknights from. six >> welcome back. >> welcome back. >> it's 525. you're watching and listening to martin daubney on gb news standing in for patrick christys later this hour, i'll get reaction to the news that women are the worst binge drinkers in the world in britain, or should that be the best? now for some more breaking news. the government has announced it is expanding the list countries to list of safe countries to include india and georgia . they include india and georgia. they argue it would allow for more illegal migrants remain rivals.

and this is part of the government's efforts to speed up the process of returning people who have travelled from either country illegally . now, moving country illegally. now, moving on, there's more pressure on sir keir starmer today over his stance on the israel hamas war. one of his mps has quit the shadow cabinet, imran hussain , shadow cabinet, imran hussain, who was shadow minister for the new deal for working people, said he could not in good conscience support his leader's position. hussain revealed that he was left deeply troubled by starmer's lbc interview in which the labour leader appeared to endorse israel's decision to cut food aid, water and power from the gaza strip. well i'm joined now by gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . nigel, commentator nigel nelson. nigel, hello to you. always a pleasure. another day, another nightmare for starmer on the middle east. will this pro—palestine position sink the labour party ? sink the labour party? >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> i mean, we're talking about

about one front bencher at the moment, but there's certainly a lot of mps who feel the same way. i mean, this is the first motion that's been put down since the king's speech and that actually shows that there are 93 mps about 40 of them from the labour party , who are supporting labour party, who are supporting a ceasefire through this motion . a ceasefire through this motion. >> okay. but it does seem to be more and more bad news. there have been 350 labour councillors now written to starmer demanding a ceasefire. 11 of those have quit and we heard earlier from christopher hope there are two more frontbench ministers on resignation. watch >> yes, and there may be more. >> yes, and there may be more. >> i mean, this is a real test of keir starmer's credentials to be the next prime minister what he's got to got to do is actually see down this rebellion within his party. it must be right if you want to actually lead the country that when there is an international crisis that the government and a responsible opposition do wherever possible

speak with one voice. s and that's what keir starmer is doing now. it may be the position will change, but at the moment we have a situation where a full blown ceasefire is off the cards . a humanitarian pause the cards. a humanitarian pause is the policy both of the government and the labour party to try and get aid into gaza . to try and get aid into gaza. >> and nigel, if it's raining for starmer, it's pouring for sunak of course today they the recall petition into peter bone, the mp for wellingborough, started out and this may result in another by—election as brenda from bristol might say oh god not another one. >> yeah so this last for about six weeks so we'll hear the result of this shortly before christmas, december the 19th whether or not the peter bone would stand in a subsequent by—election as an independent, we'd have to see he's perfectly in liberty to do so. he might even survive the petition, although it's unlikely you only

need 1 in 10 votes to turn around and say time for a new mp for a by—election to be called. and at the moment we've got independent eight in independent mps and it's now the fastest political, fastest growing political, fastest growing political group in britain . political group in britain. >> and in terms of the armistice day march, we've seen sunak say that it's unacceptable what's going on. we've just heard dramatic news, 188 arrests made in relation to the situation in the middle east on british streets since october the 7th. how politically sensitive do you think this is now, this this seeming kind of butting of heads between sunak and the met's chief? >> well, i mean, the whole point is that the police are operationally independent. and so it's down to sir mark rowley to actually say, look , i think to actually say, look, i think that we can police this protest. i haven't got any any proper grounds to ban it. so the only

way of doing that is for the government to put to make that order. now if the organisers of the protests were doing the right thing, they would recognise that this weekend is very special in the canada in the calendar and they would then call off the march . but even so, call off the march. but even so, if they decide not to, they have a perfect right to march peacefully. they've said they'll keep away from the cenotaph. the timings don't clash with any remembrance events, so the important thing for sir mark rowley is anybody who breaks away from that march tries to cause trouble is that his officers are able to control it. that's the big test that he's facing. >> okay, nigel nelson, thank you for that update live from westminster. well there's lots more still to come between now and 6 pm. there's news of a setback for the parents of james bulger a week before one of their son's killers has a parole hearing. the first is your latest news headlines with polly

middlehurst . martin thank you, will. >> the top stories this hour are that the prime minister has welcomed assurances from the metropolitan police that the march planned during remembrance will be kept away from the cenotaph. rishi sunak met with chief commissioner sir mark rowley this afternoon amid concerns that the pro—palestinian march could interfere with remembrance commemorations. in a statement , commemorations. in a statement, the prime minister described the planned protests as disrespectful and offensive. the london mayor, sadiq khan, said the policing of protests shouldn't become political matters. the met insists it is keeping the weekend's events under constant review . under constant review. meanwhile, the foreign office says more than 150 british nationals have left gaza via the rafah crossing in egypt. as of last night. that comes as the israeli military says thousands of civilians have been heading from northern gaza to the south

of the strip . and the united of the strip. and the united nafions of the strip. and the united nations says 50,000 people have passed through that checkpoint yesterday and here at home, progress is finally being made on the government's long running dispute with rail unions. that's to led widespread train strikes over recent months after talks between the rail delivery group and the rmt . a pay rise and job and the rmt. a pay rise and job security guarantee has been described as a mutually agreed way forward . those are your way forward. those are your latest news headlines . you can latest news headlines. you can get more detail on all of them by heading to our website, gbnews.com . for a valuable gbnews.com. for a valuable legacy, your family can own . legacy, your family can own. >> gold coins will always shine bright. >> rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report and a quick snapshot for you then of today's markets . you then of today's markets. >> the pound buying a $1.2290

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do we have a parole system that seems to be set up to protect people venables and people like john venables and not give parents like denise fergus and ralph bulger the right the moment to read out their impact statement to venables and to make him face the music. it's absolutely scandalous , denise and ralph, scandalous, denise and ralph, for the people that are serving the real life sentence because their much loved toddler was murdered all those years ago and as happens with every murder , it as happens with every murder, it is those who are left behind . is those who are left behind. >> and that quite simply carry the pain , the grief for the rest the pain, the grief for the rest of their lives. and venables , of of their lives. and venables, of course, has proven not only was he a child murderer, but he's a convicted paedophile, convicted in a court of law of possessing indecent images of children. and of course, every indecent image leaves a victim somewhere. the fact that this parole board

heanng fact that this parole board hearing now is going to be held in private is deeply very hurtful and insult eating, i would imagine, to jamie's parents. it's also scandalous on behalf of the great british pubuc behalf of the great british public who have the right to see it scrutinise it, and make their own minds up. yeah you know, we spoke to philip taylor , a spoke to philip taylor, a barrister, earlier on, and he sets out the legal framework. >> is that you you can apply to go to a parole hearing but legally they can knock you back. you don't have the fully endorsed copperbottom legal right to be able to get in there evenin right to be able to get in there even in a case as serious as this with an impact as severe in this with an impact as severe in this . do you this with an impact as severe in this. do you think the laws and asked does that need to change? >> undoubtedly. and of course, there's a public interest >> undoubtedly. and of course, th> undoubtedly. and of course, th> undoubtedly. and of course, th> undoubtedly. and of course, th

it's absolutely ludicrous . i it's absolutely ludicrous. i believe in open justice. i'm sure that many, many millions of other people do this is not open justice. >> it's astonishing. it's astonishing to even hear that, that we have a system set up to protect the mental health of a convicted murderer and a convicted murderer and a convicted paedophile . moving on convicted paedophile. moving on to the importance of the moment, the close nature of reading out that statement as a victim of crime. from your extensive career in law and order, how vital is that for closure? for conclusion and just the sheer right to make that person listen to how they've impacted your life forever? >> victim impact statements were a very , very welcome thing when a very, very welcome thing when they came into the criminal justice system , and they've been justice system, and they've been an important part of it. of course, with a case like

venables each and every time he has a parole board hearing and let's remember, the parole board have gotit let's remember, the parole board have got it fundamentally wrong with venables in the past release him only for him to re—offend and then be put back behind bars. but of course, life does change in between in the years in between. so a fresh impact statement should be taken, should be read out and, of course, jamie bulger's parents should be allowed to do that in person and look into the eyes of the boy , as was the man eyes of the boy, as was the man who is now who was responsible for killing their toddler. >> ralph bulger has said the possibility of venables release is a daily nightmare for him and the mother, denise . he can't be the mother, denise. he can't be released . surely he can't be released. surely he can't be released, can he? but the parole boards, they can do strange things . things. >> the parole board in recent years released colin pitchfork , years released colin pitchfork, of course, a man who raped and

murdered two teenagers on separate occasions, a monster who clearly should never be allowed to walk the streets of britain again. but they did. allowed to walk the streets of britain again. but they did . and britain again. but they did. and of course, what happened on that occasion , even within a few occasion, even within a few short days of his release, he was seen let ring around a school . and so he went back to school. and so he went back to prison . they've got it wrong prison. they've got it wrong with venables once. let's hope they don't get it wrong with venables twice and they keep him where he should be firmly behind bars . bars. >> is the parole board fit for purpose ? purpose? >> i think that's a very powerful question. we do see repeated errors and i think we need to look at the people that make up the parole board . i make up the parole board. i think there is an inherent mission creep of the fluffy liberal wokeness into much of our criminal justice system from policing at the front line all the way through to probation that comes even beyond prison

lines. i think what the public need now as we face an increasingly lawless country where criminals rule the streets and the absent police don't is from firmness in the entire system so that people can have confidence. we need deterrence . confidence. we need deterrence. we need suitable punishments . we we need suitable punishments. we need an effective and professional police. and we perhaps need a review of the parole board. peter we saw yesterday in the king's speech it's going to be enshrined in law. >> for example, murderers like lucy letby will have to go into the dock. we'll have to hear the moment. we'll have to face the music. do you think it's time for similar with parole hearings ? should enshrined in law ? should it be enshrined in law that like denise fergus that people like denise fergus and ralph bulger legally, legally ? beg your pardon? they legally? beg your pardon? they get that moment ? get that moment? >> yes, undoubtedly. i think thatis >> yes, undoubtedly. i think that is absolutely right. but just on that note, unfortunately , i'm going to bring a bit of gloom to the proceedings about the announced it yesterday, which means that people who are convicted of murder will, if the

judge decrees, have to be brought into the court to hear their sentencing victim impact statements and the like , i get statements and the like, i get my crystal ball out and i fear that in some years time when a sadistic murderer has been forcibly dragged up to the court to face their sentence, i can see them employing some smart lawyer to sue for injuries they will have received . and between will have received. and between the cell and the dock, i think we live in a world where nobody would be surprised either that happened. >> peter, while i've got you here, can quickly you here, can i quickly ask you about just about the breaking news we just announced? 188 arrests made by the police force the metropolitan police force relating to the terror attacks on israel , relating to the terror attacks on israel, all involving hate crimes and acts such as violence unked crimes and acts such as violence linked to the protest in the caphal linked to the protest in the capital. do you think that should change, mark rowley's decision to allow these marches to go ahead on armistice day this saturday or not? >> mark rowley has handled this entire situation very, very badly. this week. the once world

renowned metropolitan police force was reduced to sending a begging letter to the organiser of the marches saying, please don't do it. and of course that failed. he's made the situation worse and more difficult because the sending of that letter made a lot of people think, who's actually in charge here? who's running this country , who's running this country, who's looking after the streets ? who's looking after the streets? who's going to guard the cenotaph ? and going to guard the cenotaph? and consequently, we've seen a lot of unrest and the rising up of notorious far right figures are calling for people to come to london. they've played this appallingly. i perhaps surprisingly, would let them march. i would let them gather and let them march. because if there's going to be 100,000 or more people in london, i if i were the chief of police , i were the chief of police, i would want to know where they are so that we could police them effectively. we could marshal them down the route we could arrest them if they breached the conditions that were laid down for the gathering and the march,

and to be fair the marchers, and to be fair to the marchers, organisers, they said organisers, they have said they won't near won't go anywhere near whitehall, near the cenotaph , whitehall, near the cenotaph, near the two minute silence, and it starts a few hours later. >> question can we >> begs the question can we trust them? do we believe that will happen? but let me ask you this. if mark rowley stands off as he is with his kind of cuddly approach as you put it, and if something does happen on on saturday that sacred place, saturday at that sacred place, at that sacred time, rishi sunak has said that he will hold him accountable . what would that accountable. what would that mean? >> one head and one head only will roll. and that would be that of the metropolitan police commissioner , who has only been commissioner, who has only been in the post just over a year. >> you think it would be that serious if standing aside and allowing this to happen in the face of the fact we've just had 188 arrests, some of them linked to these protests, you think if it kicks off, he has to go? >> remember, it's sunday is safe cred sacred to millions upon millions of us? it is the most

sombre and respectful day in the calendar and rightfully so. if anybody disrupts it, if anybody ruins it, it will be the fault of the metropolitan police and the head of that, of course, is sir mark rowley. he will simply have to go. >> peter, how does all of this make you feel ? know you've make you feel? know you've dedicated your life to public service. you've dedicated your life to police. and when you when say things like that, when you say things like that, when you say things like that, when situation as when you see the situation as it's unravelling now, what do when you see the situation as it's feel/elling now, what do when you see the situation as it's feel about now, what do when you see the situation as it's feel about modern1at do when you see the situation as it's feel about modern policing ? you feel about modern policing? >> extremely disappointed . and >> extremely disappointed. and i'm being polite . there is and i'm being polite. there is and there has been for a couple of decades now. in fact, ever since tony blair said education, education, education, an ambitious police officer said, we'll have some of that . and off we'll have some of that. and off they trotted to university to get their degrees. so they would have letters after their names as well as in front of their names . and they came back to names. and they came back to policing with their heads full of load of irrelevant pseudo intellectual claptrap . ep and

intellectual claptrap. ep and since then, police leadership has become fluffier with keir more, more liberal all and become more detached and remote from the people. and their everyday problems with crime and criminality. that's borne out by the fact that for the last 20 years or so, they haven't investigated burglary, car crime , bicycle theft, phone theft , , bicycle theft, phone theft, and they appallingly and insults wrongly called much of that low level crime. if you cycle to work every day on your bike, there's nothing low level about having that stolen an alter that and i saw you put out a poll do you have faith in the police? >> 72% of people said no. and your people are coppers. coppers follow you. this is from the heart. this is what the bob is out there thing. who's to blame? it can't be the bobbies on the beat who are bearing the brunt of this on the street. are they just following bad orders? is it people like rowley? is it the top them data, top brass feeding them bad data, bad orders is. >> it's completely the

responsibility of the top brass because what they do , they only because what they do, they only promote mirror images of themselves . they are a cabal. if themselves. they are a cabal. if you have a challenging voice , you have a challenging voice, offer an alternative point of view . all of the things that view. all of the things that good leaders welcome and embrace and want to hear. if you do that in the policing, that is a sure fire way to cut short your journey up the promotion pole. okay peter bleksley, we're gonna have to leave it there. >> but look, every time you come in, i say the same thing. if we had people like you in charge, we might have half a fighting chance. you. always chance. thank you. always a pleasure. okay. the good is pleasure. okay. the good news is that best that british women are the best in the bad news is in the world. the bad news is that the best binge that that's the best at binge drinking. i'm martin daubney standing patrick christys standing in for patrick christys on gb and this on gb news. and this

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>> the dinosaur. our sundays at 9:00 on gb news. who's . welcome back. >> just approaching 10 to 6 now. here's a story that caught my eye today. you know how we love to great britain here to celebrate great britain here at well, i can report at gb news. well, i can report this evening that we are the best in the world at one activity in particular. unfortunately, it's not something to be that proud of because our women are head and shoulders above everyone else in the world at binge drinking , the world at binge drinking, because according to the oecd , because according to the oecd, 26% of british women drink at least six drinks in a single session at least once a month , session at least once a month, six drinks in a session. that's not that much if you think about it, is it? let's look at some of the other figures. denmark was 26% of women, six drinks at least once a month . luxembourg, least once a month. luxembourg, 24, germany, 22. britain is winning on 26. and the men we drink, even more. that's right. in every single country. britain in this instance comes forth.

46% of men have at least six dnnks 46% of men have at least six drinks a month in a session. romania, well, the biggest binge drinkers in the world, 55% of men regularly have more than six bevvies in one pop movie on. now the government wants to bring in new legislation to crack down on airlines who don't declare their extra charges up front. the policy confirmed that companies who use so—called drip pricing where extra costs are not declared upfront, will face stricter rules. but this could result in airline tickets being hiked in price. result in airline tickets being hiked in price . well, joining me hiked in price. well, joining me now is sally gethin , travel and now is sally gethin, travel and aviation expert . so, sally, this aviation expert. so, sally, this was enshrine into the king's speech yesterday. a lot of people will be familiar with this £15 to amsterdam for your your fare and then of course £65 for a suitcase £28 for fast track boarding is this common sense or would it just not affect prices anyway? so no, i mean, you're right. >> all these hidden extras and you can get hit by them as you

go through the booking process, but let's face it, you know, your price is there like £15 to go to amsterdam or a european destination, a city break is not sustainable for an airline. >> they can't they can fill the seats at that price. but they can't keep the operator moving effectively. and they're there to make a profit . effectively. and they're there to make a profit. this has been going for on about 10 or 15 years now, and the trade that the airlines call it, ancillary revenues and they absolutely rely on it to be able to remain a viable business. >> but they sort of they tempt you in with this rock bottom fare, but it soon adds up. people get quite annoyed about it. i know. i do. i mean, you have to pre—book your meals now, even on board, it's like £13 for a sort of bit of dodgy spag bol, you know, and people are fed up with this. but the airline industry say they need to do this. but one thing that really caught my eye is that the

easyjet ate the booking system, uses algorithms to specifically drive you into booking all these extra things and it works. they now make £26 extra per seat in 2023, compared to £14 extra on top of the fare per seat in 2019. so the airlines are using software to rip us off. >> yeah, well , you know, one >> yeah, well, you know, one person's rip off is another person's, you know , stable person's, you know, stable business and they need to turn a profit. and we have huge competition in the market and if the prices really came down so that people were only paying £20 for that ticket, including all the extras, then we wouldn't have the choice of flights in the first place. so there's no such thing as a free lunch . but such thing as a free lunch. but having said that, i think more transport agency there's a case for more transparency and to be able to see what you're paying up front will help, especially for those customers who are less

tech savvy and are faced with, you know, a purely digital way of booking those airfares. and they only find out as they go through that process . yes. through that process. yes. >> can i ask you a question? get your crystal ball out because i'm of the mindset now that they're going to start taxing air travel so much with net zero taxes, carbon taxes, call it what you want and that we're going to be going back in time to a position almost like the 19705 to a position almost like the 1970s where only the rich could afford to fly. they've come for the booze. they've come for smoking. do you think they're going to try and stop our holidays the future ? holidays in the future? >> depends what you >> well, it depends what you mean . i mean there's mean by they. i mean there's already the air already a tax called the air passenger which is levied, passenger duty, which is levied, which airports are which airlines and airports are frustrated about. and that's, you know, purely here in the uk , you know, purely here in the uk, that's rather unfair. never goes back into improving aviation and airlines are cleaning up their act with new, greener fuels. we've got a great new era coming in of electric taxis and all sorts of great new tech ways of

travelling. so i can't see that air travel or air transport is going to be, you know, stopped anytime soon. in fact, it's going to keep growing. okay. >> sally gethin i admire your optimism. have to leave it there because somebody just hoved into view to my left. and that is, of course, one, only, the course, the one, the only, the magnificent michelle dewberry dewbs& coming up, what's dewbs& co coming up, what's on the i get the menu? well, before i get stuck menu, at stuck into my menu, look at my beautiful good. it is, right? >> it's very good. it is, right? >> it's very good. it is, right? >> you made it. well this is from a viewer called susan, and she's written in with a lovely story . story. >> she was widowed when she was six months pregnant. >> actually. and she tells me this lovely story . her >> actually. and she tells me this lovely story. her husband was a serving soldier in the duke of wellington regiment . he duke of wellington regiment. he was killed with another soldier . was killed with another soldier. private james lee was our husband and i think he's left . husband and i think he's left. what does l cpc lieutenant corporal . yeah. is that what it corporal. yeah. is that what it is? lieutenant corporal terence graham was also killed . graham was also killed. >> and another soldier, robert b radley. bradley. >> b radley. >> anyway, bradley. >> anyway, susan knits these

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