are struggling to pay their mortgage. over in wales, the government are launching what they call a help to stay scheme, which would give home owners interest free loans . yes, you interest free loans. yes, you heard that right . interest free loans. yes, you heard that right. 0. is that a good use of taxpayer funds? and the tentacles of ofcom are set to expand this time over streaming services like netflix . streaming services like netflix. should indeed those services be

brought up to scratch with the rest of us? or is it just basically overreach and will? it won't it? should it? shouldn't it? the debate whether or not the armistice day protests will go ahead has rumbled on today. we've got a very clear answer. yes, will, says the head of yes, it will, says the head of met police rishi sunak . yes, it will, says the head of met police rishi sunak. he's saying that he is going to be held accountable for that. one of my panel says that that march absolutely oakley absolutely categoric oakley should not proceed read. what are your thoughts on it. should not proceed read. what are your thoughts on it . all yes are your thoughts on it. all yes , indeed. richard tyson scarlett mccgwire will be going head to head on that. and i can tell you now they have very different opinions. but before we get stuck into the debate, let's cross live polly middlehurst cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest headlines . for tonight's latest headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. the top story tonight, the prime minister has welcomed assurances from the

metropolitan police that the pro—palestinian march planned for this weekend during the nation's annual period of remembrance will be routed away from the cenotaph in london on rishi sunak spoke with the met police chief sir mark rowley today amid concerns that the march could interfere with remembrance commemorations. well in a statement, the prime minister described the planned march still as being disrespectful and offensive . the disrespectful and offensive. the london lord mayor, sadiq khan, said the policing of protests shouldn't become political , and shouldn't become political, and the met insists it's keeping the weekend's events under constant review. meanwhile, the transport secretary , mark harper, has said secretary, mark harper, has said sir mark rowley will be held accountable for any trouble . accountable for any trouble. >> this is the operational response ability of the commissioner of the metropolitan police. the legal powers are his to request that he has to make a judgement based on the all of the factors that he has to take into account. and as the prime minister said, it's the met's responsibility to make sure the

march goes off safely and we'll hold him to account for that . hold him to account for that. >> meanwhile, in gaza, the foreign office says more than 150 british nationals have left gaza strip via the rafah crossing in the south of the country into egypt . that was country into egypt. that was last night. and it comes as the israeli military says thousands of civilians have been heading from northern gaza to the south of the strip. the united nations saying 15,000 people have passed through. yesterday israel says it won't reoccupy the gaza strip or control it for an extended penod or control it for an extended period of time. but its forces have been pressing on with their offensive against hamas . and in offensive against hamas. and in gaza, footage has been released today showing thick clouds of grey smoke billowing in a column from northern gaza that comes after the israeli military said their air and ground offensive was targeting hamas's tunnel network beneath the strip . network beneath the strip. meanwhile a news here at home, a war memorial in greater manchester is being guarded by

police after protesters sprayed a free palestine graffiti across its base. greater manchester police saying the cenotaph in rochdale was vandalised and poppies were removed yesterday afternoon and is currently a crime scene. both police and rochdale council have condemned the vandalism as criminal disrespect it, which is totally unacceptable . l mean . meanwhile, unacceptable. l mean. meanwhile, a labour government minister has resigned from the shadow frontbench in protest at sir keir starmer's position on the israel—hamas conflict at imran hussain's resignation letter said it's become clear that my view on the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe in gaza differs substantially from the position you have adopted , said the mp you have adopted, said the mp for bradford east has condemned hamas's attack on october the 7th, but also said the current situation in gaza is horrific . situation in gaza is horrific. mr hussain says sir keir starmer should be calling for a ceasefire . now in news away from

ceasefire. now in news away from the israel—hamas conflict, a 15 year old boy who died after a stabbing near a school in leeds yesterday has been named as alfie lewis . west yorkshire alfie lewis. west yorkshire police say emergency services were called to horse forth yesterday afternoon . police have yesterday afternoon. police have launched a murder investigation with one arrest of a teenage boy. so far, alfie's family say he was 1 in 1,000,000 and had the biggest heart. now now progress has been made . we hear progress has been made. we hear in the government's long running dispute with rail unions. that's led to widespread train strikes over recent months after talks between the rail delivery group and the rmt union, a plan has now been set out in what's been described as a mutually agreed way forward. it includes a pay rise backdated to 2022 and job security guarantees . as the rmt security guarantees. as the rmt says, it's a welcome development. members will now vote on whether or not to accept the offer . a former cabinet

the offer. a former cabinet secretary has apologised for his suggestion that chicken pox style parties could have helped spread covid immunity in the early days of the pandemic. speaking at the covid inquiry lord mark sedwill insisted he was suggesting a way of shielding the most vulnerable, while others developed immunity. he's now apologised , though, to he's now apologised, though, to families of victims and accepted his suggestions could have come across as heartless . and finally across as heartless. and finally , in the united states, donald trump's daughter is in court in new york. she's testifying in a civil fraud trial . ivanka civil fraud trial. ivanka trump's turn on the witness stand follows testimony by her two brothers and her father. and in the last hour or so, she's been put out a considerable pressure to remember her precise involvement with critical documents . the lawsuit alleges documents. the lawsuit alleges that mr trump intentionally inflated the value of his property to deceive banks and insurers, thereby gaining better terms on loans and the judge has

already ruled that the trump organisation committed fraud and that this trial will merely determine the penalties. prosecutors are seeking. close to a £200 million fine, together with future restrictions on business dealing. mr trump denies any wrongdoing , calling denies any wrongdoing, calling the trial a witch hunt. that's the trial a witch hunt. that's the news. this is gb news across the news. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. thanks for that polly and michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. >> i've got my panel, the leader of reform uk richard tice and the former labour adviser scarlett mccgwire . good evening scarlett mccgwire. good evening to both of you . you know the to both of you. you know the drill, don't you as well? it's not just about us three here. it's very much about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind as you can in mind tonight as you can get in touch all the ways.

touch all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com or can vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweet me nick gibb. gb news. tweet me at nick gibb. gb news. lots you getting in lots of you guys getting in touch i want to talk to touch already. i want to talk to you of course, about the armistice protests. i can armistice day protests. i can tell you now my have very tell you now my panel have very different opinions on whether or not that should be happening. this well , this weekend. also as well, ofcom, their role now to ofcom, is it their role now to broaden their reach on, for example, streaming services like netflix ? lots of be getting in netflix? lots of be getting in touch already about the mortgage topic. is it the role of the government to provide homes owners with o% government to provide homes owners with 0% interest free mortgage loans? if you're struggling ? what do you think to struggling? what do you think to that one? get in touch. all your thoughts are welcome tonight, but one of the things that i've really not stopped thinking about is, of course, we'll never forget the horrific murder of james . well, one of his james bulger. well, one of his killers is up for parole again . killers is up for parole again. now, i have to say, this guy , now, i have to say, this guy, jon venables, even just the name makes my skin crawl. this guy , i makes my skin crawl. this guy, i think we can all safely agree, is an absolute wrong'un he has

become up for parole again. james his parents have applied . james his parents have applied. they want very desperately. they're very keen to be part of this hearing to show their feelings , their emotions, their feelings, their emotions, their sentiments about what should happen next. that requires it has been denied. they will not be able to attend. and this has really divided people. do you think the family should be allowed think the family should be all(well, i think what should >> well, i think what should happen, that it happen, michel, is that it should for both sides. should be fair for both sides. so if john venables himself can make his own statement and try to persuade the members of the parole board with his emotional plea to basically to be released, then surely that same right should apply. to james bulger's parents and as opposed to just having their statement essentially in the pack of papers that the parole board members. that's how i understand it. that seems unfair because in a sense venables is getting advantageous treatment , but it's

advantageous treatment, but it's surely got to be it's got to be the same rules, the same fairness on both sides of the of the position. and why should venables have the right to have this in private? apparently . this in private? apparently. according to the, the media apparently because he's worried about extra stress . well, what about extra stress. well, what about extra stress. well, what about the extra stress on the family? >> well, it's not even just that, you know, because apparent early the chair of the parole board for england and wales says that she thinks a public hearing and i'm going to quote directly could put venables at risk as she goes on to say that if even parts of the hearing were in public, there was a risk that some information could inadvertently be revealed. putting jon venables at risk and breached the injunction, she basically says it could potentially have grave and possibly fatal consequences as well. she's worried about the safety of jon venables. i'm >> i'm sorry, that doesn't wash at all. there are ways to deal with that in terms of anonymity if required. i come back to the

point, the fact that he can make his own point, make his case appeal to the good nature of the parole board members. but but jamie, james bulger's family cannot just doesn't seem it doesn't seem to be fair. justice that's the real point. i'm not sure why all these parole board hearings, many of them are in private anyway. why shouldn't they just be open and fair and everybody and transparent? everyone what's what's everyone can see what's what's put and what's said. put out there and what's said. >> do you make it? i >> what do you make to it? i mean, board hearings mean, most parole board hearings are in private. >> there was a review done by the government two years ago that looked at it, that took it that looked at it, that took it that took a consultations. they listened to people. i think there are about 40, 40 people who wrote in and they decided that they should remain private unless there was a very good reason to have it public. so we're talking we're not talking about an exception also. i mean , about an exception also. i mean, i think it's very important to say that parole board should

say that the parole board should not be making any decision on emotions . not be making any decision on emotions. right. they not be making any decision on emotions . right. they should be emotions. right. they should be making the decision on on whether this person is fit to leave jail. right. whether there is a danger to the public, whether he will be able to go on. so it's actually it's the emotion should be taken out of it. there is absolutely no question that it's absolutely right that the jamie bulger's parents can can do their impact statements . and i have to say statements. and i have to say that that it was brought in by impact statements were brought in by harriet harman when she talked to victims or victims families. actually of people who'd been murdered, who said quite rightly that that once once the case got to court, they had no place in it. and so she said , then you should be allowed said, then you should be allowed to make an impact statement. and we know how important those impact statements are are as to as to so that we understand what

what the family went through. and it's quite right that the bulger parents should do an impact statement. but actually, the parole board has to be making their decision on completely different, in which making their decision on comrintely different, in which making their decision on comrin which fferent, in which making their decision on comrin which case,t, in which making their decision on comrin which case, why which making their decision on comrin which case, why is|ich case in which case, why is venables himself able to verbalise his statement ? verbalise his statement? >> why isn't it just paperwork and then make the decision as you say, taking all emotion out of it based on the evidence and the facts presumable ably they want to. >> they actually want to ask him questions. i mean, you know, it seems perfectly reasonable that you ask him questions. i mean, l, you ask him questions. i mean, i, i mean, i my worry about this case is, is it's one that that is just part of tabloid frenzy. and i think when the woman said, as you read out, michelle, you know , the chair of the parole know, the chair of the parole board for england and wales, not that woman that she was worried about anything. i mean , one of about anything. i mean, one of the things is that that john venables has to be given anonymity . i venables has to be given anonymity. i mean, venables has to be given anonymity . i mean, otherwise he anonymity. i mean, otherwise he would be dead tomorrow . but would be dead tomorrow. but that's no question. would be dead tomorrow. but tha hold question. would be dead tomorrow. but tha hold qua;tion. would be dead tomorrow. but tha hold qua second. i can't

>> hold on a second. i can't stand this guy, this john venables. and do confess i am venables. and i do confess i am deeply emotional, emotional about not be. about it. i will never not be. but of these efforts, time but all of these efforts, time expense that goes into desperately trying to protect this poor guy's identity in case someone gets hold of him and kills him. he himself self has boasted multiple times. so on two separate occasions, apparently he he has told friends he is a convicted murderer. he is now on his fourth new identity . so this guy fourth new identity. so this guy himself doesn't even seem to respect the terms of his own anonymity based on previous track records. so why should everybody else is so what? >> i mean, we all know what's going to happen if, if, if, if, if, if people know who he is. i mean, there's nothing saying that the parole board are going to let him out. is there i mean, that's that that's what's really important is we're talking about as though these are sort of three do gooders who are going to oh, poor old john to go, oh, poor old john venables, let him out. i mean,

actually, there's an awful lot of reasons why he will not be. >> well, why does it keep coming up for review? i mean, he a up for review? i mean, he had a he hearing in he was he had a hearing in he was denied parole in 2020. well, was only years later, what, only three years later, what, about five years later? ten years later, he's twice re—offended, released. you ll released. you i wonder whether >> but you see, i wonder whether or they should almost be or not they should almost be like a two strikes you're in like a two strikes and you're in type rule. no, i'm being absolutely deadly serious. >> zero strikes? and >> what about zero strikes? and you're know, he you're in i mean, you know, he committed most committed the gravest, most heinous offence. suspect ten. heinous offence. i suspect ten. he it doesn't matter . he was ten. it doesn't matter. so matter. life means so it doesn't matter. life means life . but you've got to set life. but you've got to set a deterrent for people. >> let me explore this because i think it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever that this kid ten. he knew what he was kid was ten. he knew what he was doing some of the sadistic doing and some of the sadistic stuff did. i mean, he stuff that he did. i mean, he just i'm disgusted by him. but why out his age ? >> 7. >>i ? >> i think 7- >> i think i ? >> i think i think his age is very, very important . why? very, very important. why? because i think things that you do a child, mean, it is why do as a child, i mean, it is why there is the there is a difference between youth offenders and adult offenders. is the things that you do as a

child don't necessarily go on. >> so what happens is drug dealers use children to carry out their dirty work. you see it elsewhere in the world. you end up, if you take that attitude, you'll end up with children carrying knives and guns. absolutely no, no. >> but richard , but those >> but richard, but those children who are used for drug deaung children who are used for drug dealing . so are you saying they dealing. so are you saying they should go down for life? i mean, what. no for the appropriate sentence. honourable. i am not saying for a second that that whether or not i have no idea whether or not i have no idea whether john venables was a was a vulnerable child. but if we're talking about the sort of children who are used by the drug gangs, right? they deliberately target vulnerable children . and what i'm saying children. and what i'm saying is, is actually and in particular in that case, is that you have to look at them, that they're children, that they that actually they can be saved. i mean , yeah, the problem is, is mean, yeah, the problem is, is michelle is you and i, we've always disagreed on this. i do believe in redemption. not

necessarily for john venables. i mean, let me let me just tell you how this redemption is going for this guy . for this guy. >> the child that scarlett thinks that you can redeem because he's such a lovely, cute little kid. >> i was talking actually about the vulnerable children who end up who end up drug running. >> he what i really talking about this venables character not that long ago admitted that it online as a 35 year old it posed online as a 35 year old woman who would pretending to abuse her eight year old daughter . i abuse her eight year old daughter. i mean, i could go on. this guy has done quite a few other things as well. but i mean, to me, and i don't mean to be mean. well i'm just being factual accurate, if you ask me. there are some people are there are some people that are just too you're far gone. you cannot be redeemed want cannot be redeemed if you want to mars bar from a to nick a mars bar from a supermarket, know you supermarket, you know what? you can redeemed. you're can be redeemed. you're all right steal and torture right if you steal and torture a two year old child . i mean, two year old child. i mean, there's something not quite right upstairs. yeah absolutely. >> i'm with you. absolutely. and it's astonishing. he's up for parole three years later. is

thatis parole three years later. is that is that i mean, is that the norm? you get a sort of review every couple of years? well, just in case you've become a decent chap, i mean. >> mean, it's just he look, >> i mean, it's just he look, i don't know any more than you do, richard, about the parole system, but i do think that the odds are very , very heavy that odds are very, very heavy that as nothing has changed in three years, that we know that the result will be the same. >> oh, you know, anyway , i will >> oh, you know, anyway, i will go to a break. in a minute. calm myself down. this is one of those topics i've never got over the fact that this guy is about the fact that this guy is about the same age as me. and he's got this anonymity order. i could actually with this fella. actually work with this fella. well, prison, well, obviously, he's in prison, so now. but i could so not right now. but i could previously have worked with this fella. i could fella. or i could. i could have had him as my friend and had had noidea had him as my friend and had had no idea this is the person no idea that this is the person that done those kind of that had done those kind of things. it absolutely repulses me. me anyway, you me. and disgusts me anyway, you tell to that. tell me what you think to that. i'll herself down in i'll come herself down in the break and come back i break and when i come back i want to talk to you about quite a lot, actually, not least mortgages. you think is

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wondering what type of cough you have? try bronchostop. bronchostop is used to relieve dry and chesty coughs. didn't he? and he made clear that he felt that the risk, the line hadn't been crossed . high line hadn't been crossed. high there michelle dewberry till 7:00. >> leader of reform richard tice alongside me as is the former labour adviser, scarlett mcguire, have come down a little bit on that one. jeffrey says, talking about the james bulger killer, he says this person's being given anonymity before and he failed. so why give him a second chance? he's actually, i think, as i understand, on his fourth, if i identity, john says what on earth is wrong with this country? why is he even being considered for parole ? phil considered for parole? phil says, i am convinced if he is let out, he will do something bad again. he seems beyond help and actually, craig makes a good point. he's asking, are james venables family even allowed to

hear the hearing? so whilst they're not allowed to be there, is there any way they're allowed to hear it? i don't know how that would work. maybe an audio feed somewhere. i actually don't know the answer that, but know the answer to that, but i do i suspect the answer to do think i suspect the answer to thatis do think i suspect the answer to that is no. lots coming. your way tonight. i want to talk to you also the you about ofcom. also the armistice protests. armistice day protests. what's going those ? gary says. going on with those? gary says. are you going to mention the fact that gb news put out a tweet referring to far right yobs? yes, gary , worry not. yobs? yes, gary, worry not. i will indeed be coming on to that before the end of the programme. but for now i want to talk to you about people that are struggling to make ends meet, particularly comes to particularly when it comes to their mortgages. we know by now their mortgages. we know by now the story about interest the story about the interest rates. need to rehash rates. we don't need to rehash that. but over in what's that. but over in wales, what's going now? the going to happen now? the government basically going to going to happen now? the gorissuinglt basically going to going to happen now? the gorissuing interestically going to going to happen now? the gorissuing interest freer going to going to happen now? the gorissuing interest free loans] to be issuing interest free loans for years. this is a new for five years. this is a new scheme called help to stay wales. i this quite wales. i find this quite interesting. i think they've put 40 million aside for these loans over the next two years. do you think this is a good use of

government money? >> no, i think it's an absurd use of taxpayers cash. it's absolutely you're absolutely bonkers. you're basically people , if basically saying to people, if you're struggling and we understand that interest rates have up fast and it's have gone up very fast and it's been shock, but been a desperate shock, but nevertheless , there to be nevertheless, there has to be a sense of moral hazard, and it's not a good use of taxpayers money that could be used. you could i think, for could be building, i think, for example, build 500 to example, you could build 500 to 1000 council houses, affordable housing with that same £40 million. maybe that would be a better use of taxpayers cash. or you be using to invest in you could be using to invest in the wales, which is the nhs in wales, which is desperately struggling. the desperately struggling. but the idea help people idea you're going to help people pay idea you're going to help people pay their mortgages, you're going of people pay their mortgages, you're going can of people pay their mortgages, you're going can i of people pay their mortgages, you're going can i apply, of people pay their mortgages, you're going can i apply, canieople saying, can i apply, can i apply? i'm struggling. how are you going to judge it all? it's i it's madness. i mean, it's madness. >> well, they that >> well, they reckon that they've criteria . they've got strict criteria. >> we've heard all that before. that works really well, doesn't it? they do. they reckon >> yeah, they do. they reckon that got criteria that they've got strict criteria . be to people in . it'll be open to people in homes that are worth up to £300,000. but in a lot of places that's higher than the average cost a there anyway . if

cost of a house there anyway. if you've got household earnings of no more than £67,000, apparently you may be eligible. no more than £67,000, apparently you may be eligible . you can you may be eligible. you can borrow as much as £147,000. so what do you make to it? >> well, they're talking about borrowing , right? they're not borrowing, right? they're not talking about giving. it's not a grant. i mean, ijust think talking about giving. it's not a grant. i mean, i just think that losing your house when you've when you've when you've bought it, when you're desperately trying to pay it is just one of the most awful things that there is. and i mean, i remember all that cladding stuff and you'd have a they always found desperate young women who'd put all their savings into buying a flat and then had had to just take, take because they couldn't afford to go on paying for the extra money to for the fire guard around the flat. and it was just sad and it's just awful when the mortgage rates go up and people don't have enough money. so, i mean, i think i think it's the right thing. but actually, the real the much bigger problem is people not

being able to afford their rents , which have gone up. i mean, obviously , if you're if you're obviously, if you're if you're a landlord and your mortgage has gone your mortgage has gone up, i mean, you comes back to my point, use the £40 million to build another 1000 affordable homes. >> here's the other point. if there's an issue, it's between there's an issue, it's between the borrower and the lender, not between the taxpayer to sort of somehow coming in in the middle of this. if the lenders hasn't carried out the right criteria, if they haven't given advice to the borrower to get a long term fix some time ago, that's the relationship . and it could be relationship. and it could be for the lender to say, okay, we'll give you some deferred terms, deferred payments or take a the house or a percentage of the house or whatever. it's not the whatever. it's not for the taxpayer by the taxpayer to get involved by the by authority, richard. by the local authority, richard. >> exactly should >> that's exactly what should happen we should be happen is that what we should be having ? and what martin having? and that's what martin lewis the expert, says is lewis the money expert, says is thatis lewis the money expert, says is that is that is that lenders should be saying , okay, can should be saying, okay, you can have you can have an interest free mortgage for three years. it come off your credit it won't come off your credit because absolutely because you are absolutely desperate. things

desperate. things have things have gone wrong. and quite often, mean, the reason people often, i mean, the reason people can't pay their mortgages isn't just the mortgage has just because the mortgage has gone terrible gone up. it's because terrible things happened things have happened in their personal they've lost personal life. they've lost their whatever. mean, theirjob, whatever. i mean, i just you're just and i think you're absolutely is that absolutely right. is that actually what the government should be is saying to the should be doing is saying to the lenders, you have some responsibility you've responsibility because you've been money people. been making money out of people. so let's look at the people who are desperate . and actually, the are desperate. and actually, the problem with is, is that if you have nothing happening, so people are selling their house. i remember the a the 80s. i remember some some estate agents saying to me, it's a disaster because nobody's buying. we're selling houses for next to nothing because because it's i mean, it's really, really bad bad for the economy to have lots of people not being able to pay their mortgage and having to sell their houses and what you don't want actually is lots of houses that have been repossessed being repossessed essentially being dumped on market because dumped on the market because what happens is buyers know and therefore, they bid lower and therefore, they bid lower and

the just descends the whole thing just descends down put much more down into a you put it much more articulately than me. that's exactly i was trying exactly what i was trying to say. is. i mean, it is it is say. it is. i mean, it is it is a terrible thing. and what we need need to solve need to do is we need to solve it. we need to work out ways of lessening the pain. because because it ended up in a complete slump last time. >> so just be clear as well on these loans. they're equity loans basically so tied into the value your property . so if value of your property. so if you sell it for more and that debt goes up, you need to pay back more, vice versa. if it goes down, you've got 15 years apparently to repay this thing. the welsh conservatives have said that it's not the role of the welsh government to hand out loans to pay off people's mortgages. think there was mortgages. i think there was a scheme and now i don't test me on andi scheme and now i don't test me on and i think it called on it and i think it was called myrus something like it myrus or something like that. it was mortgage interest was like mortgage interest relief relief assistance scheme or something like that where you could get some relief on the interest part of your mortgage. years ago . years ago. >> yeah, you've got a great memory. you reminded me, michel,

but yeah, i think so. but again, it comes back. it's between the lender and the borrower. there's no reason for the government to get involved. if the lender wants to a percentage of wants to take a percentage of the house. all of those sort of potential social financial arrangements , that's to be arrangements, that's to be a deal done between the borrower and lender. sarah says. and the lender. sarah says. >> what is wrong with everyone? why do they always want the government basically to help out? some personal out? she says some personal responsibility is required. yvonne says the dwp already help people on benefits with mortgage payments. she's saying they pay the interest amount if 2.5. what do you mean? do you mean of do they pay 2.5? she's saying it's interest free, but you have to pay interest free, but you have to pay it back when you get a job or sell your house. i must confess, i'm not familiar with that scheme, so i'm sure you can enlighten me. wales enlighten me. yeah. wales michael says can afford michael says wales can afford loans , apparently. and if so , loans, apparently. and if so, that means that the barnet for the barnett formula might need

tweaking if they've got all of this cash to be readily handing out as loans, sue said. it's absolutely not the role of the taxpayer to subsidise people's mortgages. no doubt this money, she says, will be doled out the same as covid handouts . but same as covid handouts. but you're quite harsh. so you're saying that perhaps the reason people can't afford their mortgages is because they prioritise other things like takeaways and new takeaways and holidays and new cars, but yet still we'll be subsidise. it's subsidise. she says. it's outrageous. you make to outrageous. what do you make to it? get in touch with me and let me know your thoughts on that. peter, says the peter, though, says the government give zero government should give zero deposit why should deposit mortgage. liz why should the banks all the money? he the banks make all the money? he wants the government to be the ones profiting ing on some of these house pricing situations . these house pricing situations. stuart says what a great idea. the government now helping out with your mortgage. why do you just go the whole hog and give everyone a free house instead? and then he goes, oh dear me , we and then he goes, oh dear me, we just sold all the council houses off so we have none left to give out for free. what do you make to all of that? there's a lot

more coming your way as well. ofcom expanding their tentacles more coming your way as well. ofco to expanding their tentacles more coming your way as well. ofco to expani services r tentacles more coming your way as well. ofco to expaniservices like |tacles now to cover services like netflix in the same way that they do other places. and of course, i want to talk to you about the protests on armistice day. we know now the situation there that the met police will not stop them. rishi sunak is saying that if there's anything goes wrong, basically he is going to hold some rowley accountable. what do you make? so i can tell you right now my panel richard tice scarlett mccgwire have very different opinions or not opinions as to whether or not that march should go ahead. i'll see you .

downing street . downing street. >> hello there michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. leader of reform richard tice alongside me as is a former labour adviser. scarlett mccgwire if you've just joined us, you've missed our conversation so far about whether or not james bulger's parents should be allowed to

access the parole hearing for one of those killers or not. lots of anger about that. and i always said the same sentence to you guys. it's just a really good job for this country that i am not in charge of the justice system, as you can imagine. you do bring back nick gibb. well, at certainly put that up for conversation. you know , i would conversation. you know, i would that won't surprise you. it was a hear that but i would because a hear that but i would because a lot of people i don't even get me started i just say there's just a lot people that just a lot of people that they're horrendous with what they're so horrendous with what they're so horrendous with what they really astonished they do. i was really astonished when kings, you when you saw the kings, you know, the king's speech yesterday, and they're talking about, oh, if you're like a really sadistic person that commits things, then commits these awful things, then you serve your full you will have to serve your full sentence life should sentence. and that life should mean i'm like, well, mean life. so i'm like, well, shouldn't that have been the case since one? case since day one? >> mean, if you >> common sense? i mean, if you say it, otherwise say life, mean it, otherwise don't it. don't say it. >> i know it's very, very peculiar. sometimes the legal system country anyway, system in this country anyway, luckily you all, as i say, luckily for you all, as i say, i'm in charge of it, so i'll i'm not in charge of it, so i'll move talk about ofcom move on and talk about ofcom because also in king's because also in the king's

speech yesterday was the focus on ofcom. so we talk often , on ofcom. so we talk often, don't we, about their remits. well, now streaming giants such as netflix and your disney+ and all the rest of it, they are going to be set to be regulated, if you like, by a new video on demand code. be drafted demand code. it will be drafted and by ofcom. this is and enforced by ofcom. this is all to do with the media. bill, what do you make to it? is it the right move, the right step forward? >> no, ijust forward? >> no, i just think it's more nanny state, for heaven's sake. i mean, ofcom has got about 1000 people already and it's just more bureaucracy . why do you more bureaucracy. why do you need all this stuff? i mean, look, elsewhere in the developed world, suspect most of the world, i suspect most of the streaming services in other developed nations , us, developed nations, the us, australia, they really going australia, are they really going to these regulators? why do to have these regulators? why do you in this sort you need it? just in this sort of thing? surely let let the market dictate. >> but what do you want then? a wild west of broadcasting that anyone can literally stick anything out but hang on. >> but it seems to have worked quite well so far. i mean, no one's saying netflix one's really been saying netflix

have of have been doing all sorts of appalling stuff so far, have they?if appalling stuff so far, have they? if had at all, it they? if you had it at all, it would to be in my view, would have to be in my view, very light touch. but this just seems nanny state, seems to be more nanny state, more bureaucracy , more civil more bureaucracy, more civil servants, taxpayers servants, more taxpayers coughing the bills . coughing up the bills. >> yeah. so these on demand program services, they are subject to rules at the moment, but they're just not massively wide reaching rules. so that is the conversation that they're trying to broaden out the rules by which they are governed . by which they are governed. where on it? scarlett where are you on it? scarlett >> i i just don't know. >> i mean, i just don't know. i'm. i'm not with richard entirely because we've nearly agreed a couple of times believe in ofcom, but actually, i mean, l, in ofcom, but actually, i mean, i, i get netflix, i think it's fine . i mean. i, i get netflix, i think it's fine. i mean. i mean, i, i get netflix, i think it's fine . i mean. i mean, what i, i get netflix, i think it's fine. i mean. i mean, what i don't understand is, is where the danger is particularly when, you know, the real danger. surely is hardcore porn that children can get hold of. i mean, i have no idea how, but i mean, i have no idea how, but i mean, presumably it's very, very easy. so these programs that go out on netflix, that that might

be good, bad or indifferent . but be good, bad or indifferent. but i mean, actually they do have standards and i don't i really hate violence and i have not been subject to appalling violence without it. i've not been subject to appalling violence. and i presume there are warnings if there's too much sex or violence or profanity, i think that's. >> but where's parenting in all of this ? because your kid of this? because your kid shouldn't be sitting there watching 18 pro grams age 18 programs or movies or all the rest of it on the telly . rest of it on the telly. >> yeah. as a parent, the point is ofcom is not going to be able to control that. >> i mean, if a 14 year old wants to click on the button and say, i'm 18 and then watch something, that's all you get asked because that's all you get asked. and actually, i've actually got sort of personally family experience of something similar . it's all similar happening. it's all coming now. coming out now. >> blushing . >> he's blushing. >> he's blushing. >> i'm actually blushing literally one kids did literally, one of my kids did exactly that and i learned my lesson. >> did what? and they they basically said they were whatever forget the

whatever it was. i forget the exact age. >> no, he does not. he doesn't forget the. >> no, he was an early >> no, he was he was an early teenagen >> said he was and >> and he said he was 18. and that allowed basically to that allowed him basically to watch something. and as a parent, you learn the lesson. you didn't realise thing you didn't realise this thing could i mean, i could be done and yes, i mean, i do about it. i was furious do blush about it. i was furious with myself for having fallen for it. >> what do you should have >> what do you think should have happened? >> the honest >> i don't know. is the honest answer. stop your 13 year answer. you stop your 13 year old from something old from watching something that's old from watching something that"mean, because i know. >> i mean, because i know. i mean, my kids. >> i think i recall password very fast. >> think veryfast. >> think recall. >> i think i recall. >> i think i recall. >> i think i recall. >> i find him for it. >> i find him for it. >> if your kids know you like what i'm going to say, but if your kids your password, your kids know your password, i think that's a failing you. think that's a failing on you. why would you? if you've got a password your stuff, password to protect your stuff, whatever why would you whatever it is, why would you give to your kids so that give that to your kids so that so i don't have go in so that i don't have to go in and sort out netflix every time they on? they turn it on? >> i mean, that's, that's it's what it is. it's just a, it's just a password so that they can get into it. >> but you see, i think i do. i have two sides to this. i cannot bear some of the revolting

hardcore available hardcore porn that is available very easily online. i think it's appalling . appalling. >> think it's not about >> and i think it's not about what we're talking. i mean. no, no, mean, i absolutely no, no. i mean, i absolutely agree with you and i think that that really does need to be stopped. and i think that's what the media bill, we should find ways of stopping because you're 13 year old doesn't have to press button. i mean, your 13 press a button. i mean, your 13 year old can just very quietly on his phone find hardcore. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> and frankly , i don't >> and it's frankly, i don't know how to do it, but it's far too easy, i'm told. know how to do it, but it's far too isasy, i'm told. know how to do it, but it's far too i don't�*m told. know how to do it, but it's far too i don't knowd. know how to do it, but it's far too i don't know how to it ehhen >> and that be where the >> and that should be where the focus of it stop all that absolute nonsense. here's the other the likes of other thing about the likes of netflix. i mean, they're big listed companies boards of listed companies with boards of directors people, directors of serious people, whether here or in the us , whether it's here or in the us, and want to be and they don't want to be involved any of this vile involved in any of this vile nonsense. so there's a there's a self element there. the self control element there. the focus be on the awful focus has got to be on the awful stuff that goes on in the underworld , of the online underworld of, of the online content that's where the appalling things are put out. >> so something like bridgerton

which, which you might not have watched i watched lots and lots of steamy sex scenes. no hard core porn, really. i mean it was how to enjoy sex. actually, it was great. >> this is tea time, by the way. these lovely conversations about this content go on. so what? >> so what do you do? i mean, who, who, who should and shouldn't be allowed to watch it, right? | shouldn't be allowed to watch it, right? i mean, i think that's where that's where you get into your problems with netflix should it be netflix. is, is should it be like films where, you know, it should be a 50 down and then you still get your son saying, yeah, i'm i just think so many i'm 15, but i just think so many people i'm15, but i just think so many people want the government to step in and create all of these things because the adults don't want to take the tough parenting decisions. >> so what they want to do is you know, i'll use your example because here, oh, because you're sitting here, oh, you there's my you know, son, there's my password it makes life password because it makes life easier for i don't have to easier for me. i don't have to do i have to do do this. i don't have to do that. then you would expect that. but then you would expect the government to make sure that what's fine . so what's on there is fine. so i don't know.

>> but actually, you're neither of us are saying that. you're right, michelle. >> parenting and bluntly, parenting is . it's hard. and we parenting is. it's hard. and we all learn lessons. we all all learn our lessons. we all make mistakes and try not to make mistakes and try not to make one again. but i make the same one again. but i think other thing is think the other thing is actually devices actually the tech devices themselves, it's the themselves, whether it's the phones ipads, they surely phones or the ipads, they surely should to be properly should be able to be properly controlled so that you can dramatically reduce the access. but again, i guess that's that's either a specific device for, let's say, under 16 or parents knowing how to turn on the controls or i mean, i am really harsh and i know people write in and go, does michelle think she is? >> but it blows my mind at how young the kids are that they're getting tablets and ipads and phones. getting tablets and ipads and phones . i've got little one. so phones. i've got little one. so when we go somewhere, i see so many families now and it makes me a little bit sad. you know, when you go to a restaurant, i'm going off topic, but you go to a restaurant and the family, all of them. the first thing they do is the little one. >> but then, then then maybe you should have phones and tablets

for teenagers where can't for teenagers where you can't access all stuff. access all this stuff. >> so that actually >> and so that that actually would be the fastest, quickest way, way. would be the fastest, quickest wayand way. would be the fastest, quickest wayand is way. would be the fastest, quickest wayand is that y. would be the fastest, quickest wayand is that what you're >> and is that what you're doing, richard? are you making sure teenagers can't access. >> no, they're all now in their early and mid 20s. so it's way too late. >> but i think it's i think >> but but i think it's i think it's incredibly problematic and it's incredibly problematic and it's problematic. it's very problematic. >> i do agree with you. >> look, i do agree with you. i mean, i remember sitting sitting next plane. do remember next on a plane. i do remember his name henry, because henry was behaving badly was behaving very badly for about then finally about an hour. and then finally he was ipad and he was he was given an ipad and he was quiet and doing stuff all the time. >> so an aeroplane difficult . an >> so an aeroplane difficult. an aeroplane is probably one of the only occasions that i would let my child have and it would be a cartoon or something. and that would be literally just to try and get him to go to sleep. i wouldn't. i would try my very best. i have done it on best. i mean, i have done it on very rare occasions, but when we go out, it takes and go out, it takes time and effort. and this is the problem. a lot of people have that a lot of people don't have that time they don't to put time or they don't want to put the in, but i would the effort in, but i would put a bag together and we have like i

have like all different things, bits my little one bits and bobs that my little one can play with at the table and entertain himself and be distracted engaged. that's entertain himself and be distacted engaged. that's entertain himself and be dista screen. engaged. that's entertain himself and be dista screen. yeah,|ged. that's entertain himself and be dista screen. yeah,|ged maybe not a screen. yeah, but maybe i'm i'm in a minority, i'm maybe i'm in a minority, maybe old fashioned maybe maybe i'm old fashioned or maybe i'm preaching other people. maybe i'm old fashioned or maybe i'm parent ng other people. maybe i'm old fashioned or maybe i'm parent their other people. maybe i'm old fashioned or maybe i'm parent their kidsyr people. maybe i'm old fashioned or maybe i'm parent their kids and ople. maybe i'm old fashioned or maybe i'm parent their kids and people was parent their kids and people don't appreciate it. i'm sure you'll get into it. >> i just think that people will be parenting lessons. >> balls be fire. who >> balls will be on fire. who does that? dewberry think she is? never watch again is? i'll never watch her again telling can't give my child. >> so you either get her off. you're either going to be ahead of justice or ahead of education. >> well, that's what i say. >> well, that's what i say. >> luckily for you all, no one voted me anyway. look, i've voted me in anyway. look, i've got go to break. i know got to go to a break. i know scarlett wants to come back, but i do have to go a break i do have to go to a break because important. i do have to go to a break becjusty important. i do have to go to a break becjust wait important. i do have to go to a break becjust wait till portant. i do have to go to a break becjust wait till he tant. i do have to go to a break becjust wait till he grows up. >> just wait till he grows up. >> just wait till he grows up. >> yeah, well, yeah, he is only three at moment, so. yeah three at the moment, so. yeah after all. anyway, look, very important dividing important topic that's dividing many my two many people, not least my two panellists is about panellists here, which is about this armistice. armistice day protests, it protests, whether or not it should be

in two. hi there. michelle dewberry. tl7 leader of reform richard tice and the former labour advisor. scarlett mccgwire along side me. sheila says , talking about the sheila says, talking about the whether or not government should give interest free loans to help homeowners, she says we had 15% mortgage rates in the 80s. we lost our house and had to start all over again. my husband was a self—employed builder and he travelled miles for work. nobody helped us. we struggled and we had to help ourself more . says had to help ourself more. says hello, watching in hello, i'm watching you in richards africa. he richards bay in south africa. he says this is basically the welsh labour party trying to buy votes. well, there you go . i votes. well, there you go. i hope the weather where you are is much better than it is. it's very dreary here in the uk anyway. a big story that's dividing you all. the head of the met police, mark rowley, he says there's not enough intelligence, basically insufficient intelligence, basically insuffi point to serious risk of would point to a serious risk of serious disorder. serious public disorder. therefore, that the pro—palestinian march can go ahead. this coming saturday. rishi sunak seems to disagree

with him and has basically said that if anything goes wrong, this is me paraphrasing, but if anything goes wrong, rishi sunak is going to hold summit rally accountable for it. where are you on it? >> i'm absolutely crystal clear. >> i'm absolutely crystal clear. >> i'm absolutely crystal clear. >> i called it out right at the beginning and i've been proven right. that these marches right. i said that these marches would incite hate, violence and anti semitism, and that's exactly what we've had weekend after weekend. how much evidence does the met police commissioner want? he's seen the hideous placards he's seen people being abused, spat out. he's seen the poppy abused, spat out. he's seen the poppy seller being harassed. he's heard the chants . what sort he's heard the chants. what sort of evidence does this man want? i'm absolutely furious with him. if things go wrong on on saturday, let me tell you, his resignation should be on the home secretary's desk. 9:00 on monday morning. the majority of the public want this band and then the government wants it banned. then the government wants it banned . and people are saying, banned. and people are saying, what on earth is going on? i think it's absolutely absurd. the they don't even the very fact they don't even have the decency and the respect

to recognise as an to recognise as such an important in our national important day in our national calendar where we basically commemorate the sacrifice that millions of our own people and allies gave their lives in the two world wars and others. so that we may enjoy democracy and let's be clear, the right to free speech does not allow the right to incite hate violence or anti—semitism. that's where i'm at. >> the we commemorate hate the we commemorate remembrance day on the sunday. it's really important. that's when we go to the cenotaph. that's when we have the service. this is a march that is nowhere near the cenotaph that is on the saturday. they've been having marches, as you said, every single saturday. right and what the what mark rowley says is that this march isn't going to be any different because he's been working with with the organisers will be no different from any of the others and it

will not go anywhere near the cenotaph. >> and just to echo your point, just to illustrate your point, sorry, that's the route the sorry, that's the route on the screen. is talking, screen. as scarlet is talking, you can see there at the start point is your hyde park. it goes down, it crosses the river and it goes to the us embassy, which is near battersea. the cenotaph is near battersea. the cenotaph is there kind of towards the is up there kind of towards the right hand side of the screen. you can see as well the difference in the times. so your cenotaph, you've got your your silence taking at 11:00. silence taking place at 11:00. the isn't going the march apparently isn't going to starting until so to be starting until 12. so sorry. continue. >> i mean , so you know, >> yeah. i mean, so you know, it's really, really important that we have an independent police force and that that mark rowley actually made the decision . he's got incredible decision. he's got incredible pressure on him from the home secretary from the prime minister to ban a march. i mean, what he says is, well, he could ban a march and then, of course, there would be fury right? so that that the extremists would actually take over that. what you can't ban is people standing

still . so that actually funny still. so that actually funny though funny though in covid the government passed a bill within a day , a few pages long that a day, a few pages long that locked a whole nation down. >> and what the public can't understand is why can't you do it here? absolutely they can do that. seen the evidence of that. we've seen the evidence of what you condone what happened. do you condone what happened. do you condone what seen on these what we've seen on these marches, the chants from the river sea? they to river to the sea? they want to obliterate israel. they want to kill jews . it's kill all the jews. it's revolting. no tens of thousands of people go on these marches and that's what they've sung. >> and it's awful. >> and it's awful. >> and it's awful. >> a very few extremists do it. most people are marching for peace. actually most people want an end , an end to the an end, an end to the hostilities . these marches are hostilities. these marches are about at peace. right. that's and this is this is what's going on that as the bombing goes on in gaza, as more and more palestinians are killed, there are people out on the streets saying stop, that's what the march is about. >> and actually, well, look, we all want peace, but you're not going to get peace by calling for a ceasefire from one side when other side hamas

when the other side called hamas are to do a ceasefire. are not going to do a ceasefire. >> they never have because they want obliterate israel. and want to obliterate israel. and the that think you can the idea that you think you can free palestine by allowing hamas to the place is to still run the place is utterly absurd . utterly absurd. >> anybody i'd be >> i don't think anybody i'd be amazed more than three people amazed if more than three people on those marches thought that hamas was any good at all. i mean, what hamas did was they can i just i want to bring i've got a very short clip. >> right. and it's the last clip in my order. and it's very important. it's this fella. i want to show this clip of the suv- want to show this clip of the guy. he's got a board saying hamas, a terrorist. because you're that only you're saying that there's only about these about three people in these protests tests basically protests tests that basically don't issue with hamas. don't have an issue with hamas. let show this . wow. let me show this. wow. >> that's obviously you you you . just you . children. you. children. >> listen, listen , listen,

>> listen, listen, listen, listen . listen. >> shame on you . >> shame on you. >> shame on you. >> see, this is my issue right? so that fella there, brave guy, got besieged. he has a board saying hamas is terrorists and people are whacking him. they pull that off him, they're stamping on it. police then stamping on it. the police then lead him away. sure he people should be clapping him and going, mate, you're spot on. they are terrorists. we unite against them and we think as well that they are causing harm to the palestinian people. and we're here saying to them, you stop pressing the pen . stop pressing the pen. palestinian people, you need to release some of your hostages. and all this bombing of gaza, they , the hamas leaders are for they, the hamas leaders are for them, are in qatar. i they, the hamas leaders are for them, are in qatar . i know what them, are in qatar. i know what they're going to achieve with this whole bombing of gaza . i know. >> well, ask the israelis. okay but what all i'm saying is that there is absolutely no question that i mean , hamas aren't just that i mean, hamas aren't just terrorists. they they it's what they did was appalling. but they

knew , too, that the israel would knew, too, that the israel would bomb back . and that's why they bomb back. and that's why they did it. and they don't care about palestinians. >> they just want to make i just want make a very quick point want to make a very quick point because lot of because i've noticed a lot of people referring to far right, by way, it's far right by the way, it's not far right to to defend remembrance to want to defend remembrance celebrations or armistice day and cenotaphs and all the rest of it. i just want to put that on the record. thank you, though, scarlett, for your time. thank richard, for yours. thank you, richard, for yours. thank you, richard, for yours. thank you, richard, for yours. thank you, farage. thank you, nigel farage. up next, evening. it's alex >> good evening. it's alex burkill again with your burkill here again with your latest gb news weather forecast. whilst there will be some clear and spells through the and sunny spells through the next day or so, there will also be plenty of heavy and possibly thundery low thundery showers because low pressure parts pressure across northern parts of the uk dominating the of the uk is dominating the weather, leading to a breezy and showery theme for many of us as we go through this evening. and overnight, showers across western parts of scotland and northern will become northern ireland will become more , filtering more widespread, filtering across of england and across many areas of england and wales. some of these could be heavy, possibly thundery, heavy, possibly even thundery, but some clear

but there will be some clear skies between, especially skies in between, especially across northeastern parts of scotland. a touch frost scotland. here, a touch of frost is and even is quite likely and even elsewhere , a bit of a chilly elsewhere, a bit of a chilly start. first thing on thursday morning through itself, morning through the day itself, though, to be a though, it is going to be a showery picture for of us. showery picture for many of us. the showers will be in the heaviest showers will be in places towards the west exposed to brisk winds. also some to the brisk winds. also some hefty towards far hefty showers towards the far south—east as well, likely to be driest across eastern areas and across and northern across central and northern scotland with some decent sunshine here. temperatures sunshine here. but temperatures a low side. highs a little on the low side. highs around 8 or 9 celsius. milder further south with highs around 11 or 12 friday. then gets off to a bit of a damp start across southern areas with some showery rain . but that clears away. and rain. but that clears away. and then we end up with a northerly wind and in that northerly wind, we're most we're going to see the most frequent northern frequent showers across northern parts of scotland, northern ireland, and perhaps fringing parts of scotland, northern irelawestern perhaps fringing parts of scotland, northern irelawestern perheasternging parts of scotland, northern irelawestern perheastern coasts into western and eastern coasts elsewhere, and elsewhere, staying drier and more dry weather to come as we go into the weekend before some wind rain arrives later. bye wind and rain arrives later. bye

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away . away. >> good evening. the indecision grows . no one >> good evening. the indecision grows. no one seems to be in charge. no one can make a decision as to whether the pro—palestine march should go aheadin pro—palestine march should go ahead in london on an armistice day, we going to need to build 8000 new roads in this country just to cope with net migration levels at the current number. don't take it from me. migration watch will come on and tell us all and the de—banking scandal grows as more and more people start to complain to the authorities. i would like to think i might have had just something to do with that. but before all of those items, let's get the news from polly middlehurst . nigel thank you. middlehurst. nigel thank you. >> in the top story this hour, the prime minister has welcomed assurances from the metropolitan