stories from the newsroom. >> the prime minister has welcomed assurances from the metropolitan police that the pro—palestinian march planned for this weekend during the nation's annual period of remembrance will be routed away from the cenotaph in london on rishi sunak spoke with the met police chief sir mark rowley today amid concerns that the march could interfere with remembrance commemorations. in a statement , though, the prime statement, though, the prime minister described the planned march as still being disrespectful and offensive. london mayor sadiq khan says the policing of protests shouldn't be political , and the met be political, and the met insisted it was keeping the weekend's events under constant review . but there was a warning review. but there was a warning from the transport secretary, mark harper, who said sir mark rowley will be held accountable for any disruption . for any disruption. >> this is the operational responsibility of the commissioner of the metropolitan police, the legal powers are his to request that he has to make a judgement based on the all of

the factors that he has to take into account. and as the prime minister said, it's the met's responsibility to make sure the march goes off safely and we'll hold him to account for that. >> a memorial in greater >> a war memorial in greater manchester is still being guarded by police tonight after protesters sprayed free palestine graffiti right across its base. greater manchester police said the cenotaph in rochdale was vandalised and poppies were removed. yesterday afternoon. it's currently a crime scene. both the police and rochdale council have condemned the violence as criminal disrespect , which is totally disrespect, which is totally unacceptable . while a labour unacceptable. while a labour government minister has resigned from the shadow frontbench in protest at sir keir starmer's position on the israel—hamas war. imran hussain's resignation letter said it has become very clear that my view on the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe in gaza differs substantially from the position you have adopted . meanwhile, it's emerged adopted. meanwhile, it's emerged

tonight that the organiser of this weekend's armistice day, anti—israel march worked for sir keir starmer until this week . keir starmer until this week. it's being reported that the secretary of the palestine solidarity campaign , ben sophia, solidarity campaign, ben sophia, was also the labour party's head of digital organising until just a few days ago . now in other a few days ago. now in other news, the government's long running dispute with rail unions that's led to widespread train strikes over recent months may soon be over after talks between the rail delivery group and the rmt union. a plan has now been set out in what's being described as a mutually agreed way forward. it . includes a pay way forward. it. includes a pay rise backdated to 2022 and job security guarantee fees. the rmt says it's a welcome development. many members will now vote on whether or not to accept the offer . this whether or not to accept the offer. this is gb news across the uk and now across europe. a warm welcome to our new viewers

and listeners away from the uk who are tuning for in the very first time tonight via satellite . details on how to stay in touch at gbnews.com . touch at gb news.com. >> touch at gbnews.com. >> hello and welcome to headliners. your first look at thursday's newspapers . i'm thursday's newspapers. i'm andrew doyle. joining me tonight , two top comedians. we've got steve n allen and louis schaffer. welcome both . you look schaffer. welcome both. you look very smart, louis. you've got elephants on your ties just to please your lady followers. >> no, it's. it's in. it's in sadness with what's happened in america with the republicans this past because the elephant is a symbol of which party is the republican republican. >> i thought it was to do with your lady isn't ground your lady because isn't a ground up aphrodisiac .7 i think up tusk an aphrodisiac? i think it's worth a try, even if it's not. >> well, i would give it a go. >> well, i would give it a go. >> first of all, i don't have a

lady, and i think all the women out there need to know that he's free and single. >> that's actually not true, is it? anyway let's move on. we're going to have a look at the front pages before we start. the daily leading with pm daily mail is leading with pm tells chief on your be tells met chief on your head be it going to be getting to it we're going to be getting to that in just one moment. the sun where the poppies gone? where have all the poppies gone? the leading with the guardian is leading with starmer fights to party starmer fights to control party as threaten as shadow ministers threaten to quit it. the times has braverman browns met biased over gaza march. the i news has tories accused home secretary of fuelling uk far right anger and finally the daily star. i found bigfoot in wales. those are your front pages . okay, we're going front pages. okay, we're going to kick off with thursday's daily mail. steve, what are they leading with? >> it's all about the met chief on your head, be it rishi sunak warned that britain's top policeman that he will be held

accountable if there's any trouble at the protest . it's trouble at the protest. it's interesting how it's become political. it's also i think there's part of you imagine that meeting that high pressured 45 minute meeting where there's a strong chance that mark was sat there thinking i could just wait until you don't have the job. yes difficult to have teeth when there's you're not there's a chance that you're not in charge. >> rishi m in charge. >> rishi do at >> what could rishi sunak do at this mean, the thing this point? i mean, the thing is, there's been lot of is, there's been a lot of pressure on him to ban the march outright. and, you know, we are a society, so he's not a liberal society, so he's not going that far. but but going to go that far. but but whatever does, will be whatever he does, he will be castigated for. is that not right? >> well, maybe is what this >> well, maybe this is what this is. move to move it all is. rishi's move to move it all onto police. onto the police. >> and then make it their >> yes. and then make it their decision oh, look, they decision and go, oh, look, they decided not to ban it. >> i mean, how could you ban it? as you say, the principle is if you start banning protests, it's a slippery what happens you start banning protests, it's a slipthey what happens you start banning protests, it's a slipthey wban happens you start banning protests, it's a slipthey wban the jens protest? >> you want to? exactly. he >> you want to? well exactly. he has said to the police they should use powers and should use robust powers and that defend, ensure that they should defend, ensure that they should defend, ensure that they should defend, ensure that the remembrance events are not and kind thing. >> how could the police make

>> but how could the police make an this weekend an argument that this weekend should violent last should be more violent than last weekend or the weekend before? well, this not first well, this is not the first of these protests these pro—palestinian protests every saturday. >> tricky, isn't it? lewis, do you do you for rishi you have do you feel for rishi sunak i mean, you know, sunak here? i mean, you know, he's a dilemma, isn't he? >> well, i don't really understand how politics work in this country. >> mean, glad i asked you >> i mean, i'm glad i asked you then. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> because and don't think >> because and i don't think that either. who that people do either. who does? this rowley work for? this guy, mark rowley work for? he's the metropolitan he's head of the metropolitan police. who hires him? how is. how given a job? he must how is he given a job? he must be given a job by rishi sunak. >> but also answerable >> yes, but he's also answerable to sunak. to rishi sunak. >> he could be fired. >> yes. so he could be fired. >> yes. so he could be fired. >> if i go in and i say >> so if i go in and i say something and go to my boss, something and i go to my boss, andrew, and i say, andrew, andrew, and i say, andrew, andrew, no, don't do andrew, and you go, no, don't do that. i do it. you're going that. and i do it. you're going to fire me. >> we have a very strict hierarchy here at news, which hierarchy here at gb news, which we observe and which i don't think the case when it comes think is the case when it comes to or the police. to politicians or the police. i think there's bit more back think there's a bit more back and isnt think there's a bit more back and isn't that right? think there's a bit more back and and isn't that right? think there's a bit more back and and allt that right? think there's a bit more back and and all of1at right? think there's a bit more back and and all of at right? think there's a bit more back and and all of a sudden his yeah. and all of a sudden his boss change when there's boss would change when there's an he doesn't quite

an election, so he doesn't quite work that the boss. that is true. to be. you have to true. he has to be. you have to stand the principles. the stand by the principles. the principles be the principles always have to be the same, they? well, that's same, don't they? well, that's a messy situation. >> then question you >> and then the question is, you know, free speech know, as a free speech absolutist, should we be should these be allowed to these people be allowed to protest think they should protest and i think they should be to protest if they're be allowed to protest if they're citizens, i don't citizens, as i think i don't think people who are who have just country on on just come to this country on on any visa except for citizens should protest should be allowed to protest against this policy. >> interest, what is >> out of interest, what is your citizenship status ? citizenship status? >> this has nothing to do with me. >> no, just out of interest, are you a uk citizen? >> i have lived in this country for 23 years. i don't think this is any of your business very much. >> not answering that question. not answering the question because you've done a lot of protests, haven't you? because you've done a lot of proyou., haven't you? because you've done a lot of proyou did ven't you? because you've done a lot of proyou did that: you? because you've done a lot of proyou did that whole green >> you did that whole green space protest in peckham, but it was i protest, it's was when i protest, it's different. i'm trying look different. i'm trying to look for consistency for some kind of consistency here. think it sounds like here. i think it sounds like you're hypocrite. you're a bit of a hypocrite. lewis schaffer what gives you the right to that? andrew the right to say that? andrew well, know, we have well, you know, we can have this out the because it's out in the break because it's getting ugly already. let's move

on of the on to the front cover of the guardian. what have we got here? lewis you've got this one. >> think that that >> did people think that that last was funny last section was funny enough that that that i was that that you knew that i was kidding, i'm basically kidding, that i'm basically saying i don't think i should be allowed saying i don't think i should be all(youi saying i don't think i should be all(you don't citizenship? >> you don't have citizenship? actually, do not have actually, no, i do not have citizenship. you have two children you thought that children and you thought that they would give you citizenship. >> thought anchor babies. >> want citizenship. babies. >> maybe citizenship. babies. >> maybe i itizenship. babies. >> maybe i do enship. babies. >> maybe i do wantp. and now maybe i do want citizenship. maybe i do. >> don't you go in the wrong way about it, lewis, what on the about it, lewis, what is on the front cover of the guardian? >> other >> starmer, this is the other side. from the labour side. this is from the labour side. this is from the labour side. obviously tories side. obviously the tories are having their problems. starmer fights the control party as shadow threatened to shadow ministers threatened to quit. of those. this quit. this is one of those. this is a guardian it's got no is a guardian story. it's got no facts it. it doesn't mention facts in it. it doesn't mention anyone's name who are forcing starmer. there's obviously unhappy think does? don't starmer. there's obviously unhajity think does? don't starmer. there's obviously unhajit does.k does? don't starmer. there's obviously unhajit does. well,>es? don't starmer. there's obviously unhajit does. well,>essays on't think it does. well, it says that imran hussain quit. but. but it said that. it said that there others, least there are many others, at least 15 ministers . 15 other ministers. >> so it's being quite vague about it. >> but the point, the story is. >> but the point, the story is. >> yeah, but the point is sometimes these political sometimes with these political stories, can get the

stories, you can only get the sort outline of what's sort of vague outline of what's going westminster. going on from, from westminster. the there are they the point is that there are they won't be lying. there are a substantial number of parliamentarians angry parliamentarians who are angry with of course, because with starmer, of course, because this that that this is the party that that represents . represents this. >> you know , i don't know what >> you know, i don't know what you mean, louis. >> you have to. it's a party, the party that represents people who generally support palestine. okay. right. that's a delicate way of putting it. >> you steve? >> what do you think, steve? well, think it's also the well, i think it's also the party that to absolutely party that loves to absolutely rip apart just before rip itself apart just before an election things might go election where things might go in its favour. >> doesn't it? >> it does, doesn't it? >> it does, doesn't it? >> classic move. >> classic move. >> i mean, it is always been a divided party. i mean, you know, it's recently keir it's only recently that keir starmer upset of starmer has upset a lot of members of his party by acknowledging he knows what acknowledging that he knows what acknowledging that he knows what a is, you which, you a woman is, you know, which, you know, even that was know, that was even that was risky. you go risky. never mind. once you go into israel—palestine. risky. never mind. once you go into israel—pathere's a big chunk >> yeah. and there's a big chunk of reality that you just want to scream look, these scream at them. look, these are important issues. have your debates, but whatever force debates, but whatever you force keir or not say keir starmer to say or not say won't actually have a material effect in the middle east. he's won't actually have a material effeeven the middle east. he's won't actually have a material effeeven the prime; east. he's won't actually have a material effeeven the prime minister."s won't actually have a material effeeven the prime minister. no not even the prime minister. no

>> but isn't this >> well, okay, but isn't this the with the labour the problem with the labour party generally? such party generally? it has such a sort extreme wings to it. you sort of extreme wings to it. you know, left of the party know, the left of the party doesn't on anything with doesn't agree on anything with the right of the party, they are really ineffectively, effectively. i think the party should probably split and be done with it. >> do you know, and i think politics could work that way if we didn't have our silly first past thing. the same is past the post thing. the same is true of the conservatives. they could into different could split into different groups. one's groups. your common sense one's your sceptic, of that. your euro sceptic, all of that. but to split but you can't afford to split because to just be in because you need to just be in one the two parties. that one of the two parties. that i agree you. one of the two parties. that i agrlz you. one of the two parties. that i ang think you. one of the two parties. that i ang think wer. one of the two parties. that i ang think we should have >> i think we should have proportional representation. lots and lots of smaller parties and coalitions like they do in europe works fairly well there. no doesn't. no it doesn't. >> does. and then you take >> it does. and then you take countries which countries that have that, which is used to have and is what italy used to have and israel that where the israel has has that where the craziest political parties have to whatever the main to suck up whatever the main parties to the parties have to suck up to the little parties. >> well, still think it's a >> well, i still think it's a more democratic approach. it isn't. question. it's a >> it's a question. it's a question of whether things are worked out publicly an worked out publicly in an openness or whether it's behind closed take closed doors, whether you take a party support party that says we support palestine the party

palestine and then the party that says it doesn't, and then behind they've got behind closed doors they've got to knock out a deal. >> okay, let's move on to >> okay, let's move on now to the thursday's the front cover of thursday's times steve story about bad bosses here. this? bosses here. what's this? >> boss could >> yeah, a meddling boss could really be the death you. really be the death of you. they've where they've done some tests where they measured your blood pressure pulse rate and pressure and your pulse rate and your and all these your cholesterol and all these things. you're being things. and if you're being micromanaged, kill micromanaged, it's going to kill you, is that right? you, which is that right? it's bad you. bad for you. >> well, and why is it particularly why is it any more stressful say, stressful than, say, a micromanaging spouse for instance? >> you w.- >> well, do you know what? that's very interesting that's a very interesting question, research question, because this research in no way says that a micromanaging spouse won't kill you right okay. you you as well. right okay. you might have hit upon the weakness. it's not. >> front page story? >> why is this front page story? because, i mean, all it's basically saying is you basically saying is that you know, stressful and know, work is stressful and stress kill which we stress can kill you, which we all know anyway, know? all know anyway, you know? >> yeah. but i think it's really saying micromanaged a saying being micromanaged by a boss of stress. boss is a lot of stress. >> right? >> w— 5 we should have >> whereas maybe we should have said just shrug it off. you can't shrug it off. you've got person who's in charge you person who's in charge of you right face. right in your face. >> the best bosses are >> so louis, the best bosses are the that their

the ones that let their employees get on with it. you have often accused being have often accused me of being too interfering your too interfering in your performance. constantly give too interfering in your perffeedback. constantly give too interfering in your perffeedback. yeah,tantly give too interfering in your perffeedback. yeah, veryr give you feedback. yeah, very negative. yes. yes. i've already criticised is ridiculous and because it is ridiculous and we're trying to be a serious channel here. yeah. what do you make this story? make of this story? >> i think you're just jealous because i'm actually selling this my this tie. it's going to be on my website within the next few days. >> are you going sign it? >> are you going to sign it? >> are you going to sign it? >> sign it. i'll take >> i will sign it. i'll take a picture of it and you can have this tie. it's called louis schaefer's tie collection. right. >> and for me, louis, not >> and for me, louis, i'm not going to tell you where i got it anyway, the is that why anyway, the point is that why you why is it on the cover you ask, why is it on the cover of the times? >> such a story? >> it's such a non story? because it's cover of the because it's on the cover of the times because it's saying that markers for inflammation and for cholesterol go when somebody cholesterol go up when somebody is there is micromanaged and there are drugs this. that's drugs for this. well, that's what the times so there's what the times is. so there's drugs be sold. the times are drugs to be sold. the times are already sceptical about that. drugs to be sold. the times are alre'this;ceptical about that. drugs to be sold. the times are alre'this;cepticwas)out that. drugs to be sold. the times are alre'this;cepticwas done hat. drugs to be sold. the times are alre'this;cepticwas done by. drugs to be sold. the times are alre'this;cepticwas done by at by and this study was done by at by harvard university. so, you know, so, you it's know, so, you know, it's probably trusts probably louis never trusts anything harvard university. >> it's the best >> it's one of the best universities world. steve universities in the world. steve you've counter this.

universities in the world. steve youoh, counter this. universities in the world. steve youoh, i counter this. universities in the world. steve youoh, i just counter this. universities in the world. steve youoh, i just counted this. universities in the world. steve youoh, i just counted the. >> oh, i just counted the general concept of saying, here's i'm not going to here's a fact. i'm not going to argue the facts. i'm just going to say, oh, it's from place to say, oh, it's from a place i don't like or it's in a newspaper. >> the genetic fallacy that >> it's the genetic fallacy that that's exactly what it's the authority. >> the opposite of appeal >> it's the opposite of appeal to authority. >> it's the opposite of appeal to (okay. ty. >> it's the opposite of appeal to (okay. right >> okay. right >> okay. right >> what they do. >> and that's what they do. that's what harvard is like, all appeal authority. but you appeal to authority. but if you question like question an if like i'm questioning the appeal to shoot down even talk questioning the appeal to shoot down the even talk questioning the appeal to shoot down the authority. even talk questioning the appeal to shoot down the authority. well,| talk about the authority. well, i said the facts. i said the facts. which is which is that trying to sell stuff so did you by chance apply to harvard by any chance apply to harvard and in? and not get in? >> i've i think we've hit on it. i think have. okay. we're i think we have. okay. we're going to move on now. >> was so far >> harvard. harvard was so far away front cover of the star. >> now, louis, you've got this story. >> yeah, this is i found bigfoot in wales rather surprising news from sasquatch. i didn't even know was was know that sasquatch was in was in england. and there's in england. and and there's a fact. exhibit b, have fact. exhibit b, you have to believe it's footprint. believe it. it's a footprint. >> size footprint. i mean, >> size 23 footprint. i mean, looking at the photo that looks like made that. to like someone made that. well to be like, recognise my be honest, like, i recognise my own footprints like this.

>> you when you're walking >> you know, when you're walking on day, you go what you on a muddy day, you go what you thought safe you've thought you were safe and you've supped thought you were safe and you've slipped and yeah. >> this is not >> is this is this is not a story. this is those crop story. this is like those crop circles someone has gone out there they've made it and there and they've made it and they've, you know, probably sold they've, you know, probably sold the probably the story to the star. probably a bad idea, actually. yeah, it's not idea. let's some. not a bad idea. let's make some. okay that is all we've time okay that is all we've got time for section of the show. for in this section of the show. but coming up,

didn't he? and he made clear that he felt that the risk, the line hadn't been crossed . line hadn't been crossed. >> hello, welcome back to headliners. your first look at thursday's newspapers . i'm still thursday's newspapers. i'm still andrew doyle. and here is still steve allen. and unfortunately , steve allen. and unfortunately, still lewis schaefer. let's continue with the stories. don't get grumpy . lewis. we're going get grumpy. lewis. we're going to kick off this section with the telegraph . and the vaccine the telegraph. and the vaccine has gone under microscope . has gone under the microscope. >> yeah, and it's not looking good for it. oxford astrazeneca covid jab was defective claims landmark legal case victims of vit vit a vaccine induced immune

thrombocytopenia and thrombosis is right. we all are grateful. i spent the time to read that out because now we're all so much wiser. look, this vaccine is unked wiser. look, this vaccine is linked to blood clots. yes, we know that it is also linked to saving 6 million people's lives across the planet . yeah. so across the planet. yeah. so isn't the question. >> no one is any more denying that there can be very dangerous side effects, although they only happenin side effects, although they only happen in a minority of cases. so that's the situation. >> i mean, we kind of knew that and that is still the case. >> the question is to what extent did astrazeneca communicate that and to what extent government, were extent did the government, were the there of the government aware there of this in advance? this possibility in advance? that's the question. >> they act >> and how swiftly do they act on given places like on it, given the places like germany actually this germany said actually this vaccine be used vaccine shouldn't be used for people 60. they then people under 60. they would then we 40, shouldn't we weren't under 40, shouldn't have later. maybe we have it a month later. maybe we should quicker. maybe have it a month later. maybe we she had quicker. maybe have it a month later. maybe we shohad a quicker. maybe have it a month later. maybe we shohad a bit quicker. maybe have it a month later. maybe we shohad a bit of quicker. maybe have it a month later. maybe we shohad a bit of hubris:ker. maybe have it a month later. maybe we she had a bit of hubris to r. maybe have it a month later. maybe we shohad a bit of hubris to it maybe we had a bit of hubris to it because at the time there was a lot of like, we're getting all the right decisions, right? and look, we've made a vaccine, blah, blah. splendid.

>> suppose lot of >> well, i suppose a lot of people angry because it people are angry because it wasn't really necessary to have a at under a certain a vaccine at all under a certain age because it wasn't affecting young people. it was it was the vulnerable. was elderly, vulnerable. it was the elderly, you to be offered it you know, and to be offered it should to be should have been fine to be coerced into it. coerced into having it. >> that's it not been fine. and there is also another thing in here. make the point about here. they make the point about communicating improved communicating the improved safety and they say safety of it. yes. and they say that didn't use the that astrazeneca didn't use the absolute figure. they used the relative figure. but without looking. for me looking. can you define for me the definitions of the absolute and terms? the definitions of the absolute ancabsolutely rms?and >> absolutely not. and i wouldn't to. so maybe wouldn't attempt to. so maybe that communication that kind of communication wouldn't have you that wouldn't have affected you that much anyway? maybe what wouldn't have affected you that mlyou |nyway? maybe what wouldn't have affected you that mlyou thinkr? maybe what wouldn't have affected you that mlyou think about maybe what wouldn't have affected you that mlyou think about this, )e what wouldn't have affected you that mlyou think about this, lewis? what do you think about this, lewis? i is absolutely tragic. i mean, it is absolutely tragic. of course, people of course, for people who've lost, you haven't done lost, i think you haven't done your job. >> andrew oh, yes, because according there according to ofcom rules, there has balance this. has to be balance on this. >> that's i've gone to you. >> okay? and the balance on this show is that many people don't think any lives were saved by the vaccine, let alone 6 million, very million, which is a very interesting number. that was chosen it's very chosen 6 million. it's very evocate live and that that evocate live and that and that we'd if we had no

we'd be better off if we had no vaccines all because it might vaccines at all because it might have killed more people. and not only that, they entrusted astrazeneca with this vaccine when they'd never done a vaccine before and well, lewis, you had your moment of balance. >> was that bad, steve, because that's clearly not the case. it's clearly the case that the vaccine did offer protection to people. >> and when you're saying we'd be better off with no vaccines, you just you just mean about this in general in life, this or in general in life, vaccines have clearly saved people's lives. yeah, they call this the risk profile of this thing the risk profile of it. we ask a question, we say the thing about risk profile, then acceptable profile. then acceptable safety profile. clearly, the article you're clearly, when the article you're reading details of someone who's had a clot on the brain that's ruined his life, idea of a ruined his life, the idea of a safety profile, you think? no, there that should there is no profile that should be acceptable. but obviously if you you having like you if you are having it's like 3 billion doses have been dished out and the number of people who've claimed is in the 140. yeah. if that is in any way a representative figure , because representative figure, because why they not have come

why would they not have come forward had some forward and said, i've had some negative effects of this? you get confused sometimes. i'm not saying is what happened in saying this is what happened in this you gave this case, but if you gave everyone in this country an injection waited injection tomorrow, waited a week saw died, you'd get week and saw who died, you'd get some people dying. >> 10,000 die. 10,000 die a week. exactly >> so this is why this is messy. stats and it's very easy to just to say the kind of, oh, it might have killed more people in it saved or that might do a lot of heavy lifting. >> do you know what the truth is? people all knew way back then. covid 19. it was. then. this is covid 19. it was. it then. this is covid19. it was. it was. it was was a flu it was. it was it was a flu virus . a flu that from 2019. and virus. a flu that from 2019. and we are giving out this vaccine in 2021. we're a bit late from being wrong. >> well, no . >> well, no. >> well, no. >> well, no. >> well, i'm saying it's a flu in quotation marks because it was barely even a flu, let alone what a flu is. we do think, steve, you owe everyone an apology. no, he does not. >> you owe everyone an apology out for so dogmatic out there for being so dogmatic about the vaccines when more and more people every single day,

people are. you can't make that accusation when you are being about as dogmatic as it is possible to be. >> i was i was dogmatic at a >> but i was i was dogmatic at a time and people said no, you're being a horrible person because you believe stuff you don't believe in this stuff that telling you. that's that we're telling you. that's not wrong. and steve, not why you're wrong. and steve, moving on to the guardian, worrying moving on to the guardian, worthis| moving on to the guardian, worthis is an armistice day, >> this is an armistice day, lewis. now this has been reported in all sorts of different ways. and i know we covered it a little bit earlier, but this is specifically about the implication that far right groups are going to call on supporters to turn up at the event. what you make of this? event. what do you make of this? >> make of it, it's the >> well, i make of it, it's the guardian. and guardian is guardian. and the guardian is saying anybody who is saying basically anybody who is against this protest is a member of right. so they're of the far right. so they're slurring they have every slurring and they have every right the guardian. slurring and they have every rigiso the guardian. slurring and they have every rigiso this the guardian. slurring and they have every rigiso this is the guardian. slurring and they have every rigiso this is an he guardian. slurring and they have every rigiso this is an issue ardian. slurring and they have every rigiso this is an issue ,rdian. slurring and they have every rigiso this is an issue , isn't. >> so this is an issue, isn't it, steve? because i've looked through article they through this article and they they what i can they do seem, from what i can see, conflate genuine far see, to conflate genuine far right groups like this offshoot of the bnp with, for example, turning uk , which is not turning point uk, which is not a far right group , so it doesn't far right group, so it doesn't seem to know far right is.

seem to know what far right is. and would see and i would like to see a definition of that particular when in the headline. when it's in the headline. >> . but some the people >> yes. but some of the people they about are right as they talk about are far right as well. yeah, you're right. so they they are conflating the they are they are conflating the general some people general point about some people wishing a protest wishing to have a protest against protest. against a protest. >> seems fine to because >> that seems fine to me because as we've minutes ago as we've sat here minutes ago saying, look, you can't pick and choose protests. choose your protests. >> guardians doing >> so maybe the guardians doing it. hopefully don't into it. i hopefully don't fall into that won't that hypocritical trap. i won't say so. i mean, protest shouldn't go ahead because i don't say the other way. >> right. where i stand on this is i don't think any protest ought to banned. but i do ought to be banned. but i do support notion counter support the notion of counter protest. that's protest. if you disagree, that's the that we do things in a the way that we do things in a liberal i don't think liberal democracy. i don't think there's here. i think there's a problem here. i think what's interesting here is and what's interesting here is and what little dangerous what is a little bit dangerous is the guardian of is when the guardian of publications like the guardian complain and complain that these terms and throw like far right complain that these terms and thro know like far right complain that these terms and thro know where like far right complain that these terms and thro know where it's far right complain that these terms and thro know where it's and right complain that these terms and thro know where it's and they you know where it's and they make because some make it plausible because some of the people they mentioned are far right some of them far right and some of them definitely and definitely aren't. and that makes anyone makes it seem like anyone who turns up to oppose these marches is far it's simply not true. a

lot of are just concerned lot of people are just concerned about cenotaph about vandalism of the cenotaph or disruption of remembrance event. legitimate event. that's a legitimate concern, isn't it? yeah >> guardian is the >> is that the guardian is the official paper of team official newspaper paper of team world how long it world and i wondered how long it would play bingo. world and i wondered how long it wotwhen? play bingo. world and i wondered how long it wotwhen? wheniingo. world and i wondered how long it wotwhen? when lewis says the >> when? when lewis says the phrase is team world non—story. this any takers, ladies? this is. any takers, ladies? that's another one yours. that's another one of yours. >> this is the. this is the war that we're having. that the that we're having. and that the team to suppress team world wants to suppress britishness and. >> let me ask you about >> well, let me ask you about that.isit >> well, let me ask you about that. is it the case that this march has been planned on armistice day a kind of not armistice day as a kind of not just want to just because they want to maximise but also maximise publicity, but also because affront to the because it is an affront to the nofion because it is an affront to the notion of british values in history? yes it it could be any of things . of those things. >> the fact is, is that the people are aiding people who are against aiding palestine are pretty much i mean , everybody is aghast at the whole thing, but it's basically the people who are against aiding palestine are people who are who would support the. well, actually, i think this is i think this is impossible to say. >> one of the problems here is that a lot of the people protest

going on, the pro—palestine marches and the opposition marches. there's a lot marches. actually, there's a lot of dissent within all those of dissent within all of those marches. >> don't see one single flag >> i don't see one single flag and one single flag. and one single british flag. these protests happened these protests have happened on every saturday for the last few saturdays. every saturday for the last few saturd saturday occurs, but this >> so saturday occurs, but this one a special saturday. one is a special saturday. >> it's >> i don't think it's insensitive because of the date. >> it's insensitive. but >> i think it's insensitive. but i but your point was, do you think this has been planned deliberately? >> well, i was raising >> well, i was just raising the question than making it. question rather than making it. >> and think we can't know, >> and i think we can't know, but think it's likely but i don't think it's likely because they put that much planning in to start saturday. >> definitely >> there are definitely people who've been vandalised. i mean, there monument in in there was the monument in in rochdale, i think has been vandalised. so there there vandalised. so there are there are people absolutely are some people who absolutely hate in its hate this country in its traditions do want to take hate this country in its tr'well,1s do want to take hate this country in its tr'well, it do want to take hate this country in its tr'well, i suppose,vant to take hate this country in its tr'well, i suppose, piggybacka it well, i suppose, piggyback onto opportunistic movement. it well, i suppose, piggyback ont have opportunistic movement. it well, i suppose, piggyback ont have you ortunistic movement. it well, i suppose, piggyback ont have you seen stic movement. it well, i suppose, piggyback ont have you seen sti(anything nt. >> have you seen an anything that said love britain, an that said we love britain, an and we want we want a free palestine? have you seen that would be interesting. >> you know what? i'd be more interested in is pro—palestine protest that stood up in those crowds and said, we denounce hamas first and foremost, because if you're pro palestine,

the worst, worst people the worst, the worst people for the worst, the worst people for the are hamas, who the palestinians are hamas, who will as human shields, will use them as human shields, who will commit of mass who will commit acts of mass murder torture , knowing full murder and torture, knowing full well innocent palestinians well that innocent palestinians will as a result. why will die as a result. so why can't they that? can't they do that? >> yeah. if you want >> yeah. and if you want a ceasefire, well , release the ceasefire, well, release the hostages. >> about that? or not take >> how about that? or not take them first place. even them in the first place. even better. mean, because. better. i mean, because. >> there's tremendous >> because there's tremendous support mean , is support for hamas. i mean, is there mean, there are some there i mean, there are some obviously , i i've some obviously, i i've seen some people openly supporting hamas and disgusting. people openly supporting hamas ancyeah. disgusting. people openly supporting hamas ancyeah. i disgusting. people openly supporting hamas ancyeah. i don'tisgusting. people openly supporting hamas ancyeah. i don't knowing. >> yeah. i don't know how widespread and i would widespread that is. and i would like to think not. >> and i think in in gaza, there's tremendous support just because don't those because we don't like those people. mean that people. that doesn't mean that their people don't like people. >> okay. we're moving on >> okay. well, we're moving on to the time is now. some people have some difficulty filling to the time is now. some people havthe some difficulty filling to the time is now. some people hav the census. difficulty filling to the time is now. some people hav the census. steverlty filling to the time is now. some people havthe census. steve yeah, ling to the time is now. some people hav the census. steve yeah, the out the census. steve yeah, the ons digs in over misunderstood trans census. >> question. the department admits that non—english speakers may have been confused by this gender question. >> this the office of >> this is the office of national statistics. you obviously census. obviously run the census. >> and they stand by the >> yeah, and they stand by the data. question let's get

data. so the question let's get they the actual article. it's they in the actual article. it's way down bottom. it is, way down the bottom. it is, isn't question what was the isn't it? question what was the question gender you question is the gender you identify the same as your identify with the same as your sex registered at birth? right. i it's a it's the i mean, it's a long it's not the it's like would you not say it's not like would you not say that your that the difference between your gender is not gender and sex is not non—homologous. it's not that much of a tricky question. >> so i understand point. >> so i understand your point. the they're the question i mean, they're making the point that foreign people english as a people who speak english as a second struggle with second language struggle with the question. think stats the question. i think the stats here according this, here say that according to this, the data showed that the data released showed that those speak english well those who speak english not well were likely to be counted were most likely to be counted as transgender. at compared as transgender. at 2.2, compared with 0.4, whose main language is english. so it does suggest that it was a language issue. >> yeah, well, there's certainly some stats. the stats don't look right. no. so but then i say, well that requires further looking into it. you can't say these stats are definitely wrong because i don't like the look of them some arguments they them. some of the arguments they try and come up with to try and make this square fit the circle is say maybe we've got is to say that maybe we've got trans refugees coming to uk trans refugees coming to the uk

in greater i mean, it's in greater numbers. i mean, it's also an argument even, know, also an argument even, you know, that's ridiculous . i also that's ridiculous. i also think the other ridiculous, the other one's ridiculous, which demographics. which is the age demographics. younger to have a younger people tend to have a higher incidence of gender issues migrants tend to be issues and migrants tend to be younger. none of that's going to fit this data. >> you would acknowledge, would you most of the you not, that most of the countries migrants are countries where migrants are coming from don't have a particularly high proportion of people as people identifying as non—binary? more non—binary? i think they're more worried about war and things like that. it's not about the destination, about journey. destination, about the journey. >> here, really, >> and on the way here, really, really, i honestly, at really, i honestly, you look at this the article is this and all the article is saying this is clearly saying this, this is clearly wrong. saying it looks wrong. i'm saying it looks wrong, but that doesn't mean you can it wrong. no, it's can prove it wrong. no, but it's clearly wrong survey. it is clearly wrong survey. it is clearly it's clearly is. >> it is wrong, isn't it? help me out here. >> it's totally wrong. this, this, this. the census done this, this. the census was done in is how i know it's in 2021. this is how i know it's wrong. because when andrew called his free called me to be on his free speech thing we were speech nation thing and we were discussing we were discussing and we were discussing, were discussing discussing, we were discussing the gender issue . yes, the trans sex gender issue. yes, i was just i couldn't get my head around what was the difference myself. and if louis

schaffer, who is super well educated, knows everything. >> doesn't even know. >> yeah, he doesn't even know. >> yeah, he doesn't even know. >> i didn't even know. >> i didn't even know. >> i didn't even know. >> i don't an objection to >> i don't have an objection to having a question gender having a question about gender identity census identity on the on the census because we have sorts because we have all sorts of questions about religious belief on census. but on the on the census. but i think when they it in the think when they put it in the i think when they put it in the i think it's where they've put it, i think they've put it alongside sex and vital statistics and those kind of things where it's sex and vital statistics and tireligious of things where it's sex and vital statistics and tireligious belief1gs where it's sex and vital statistics and tireligious belief effectivelyt's a religious belief effectively the you've a the belief that you've got a gendered a that's gendered soul that's a that's a quasi belief. so why quasi religious belief. so why not it along with the jedi not put it along with the jedi and the christian and all the rest sort that would rest of it, that sort that would make it clearer, wouldn't it? yeah. >> mean, but you can that >> i mean, but you can pick that the stats just by looking at the stats out just by looking at it. you look at the question that's being answered and disregard for whatever you need. the not sure which the info for. i'm not sure which part the form means that, part of the form means that, okay, at least okay, i just. well, at least they do a survey that looks at age, ability speak english, age, ability to speak english, ability to understand that question. then you actually question. and then you actually have to you have some reason to do, you know, would know, what would have been a better question? >> not question which >> not not the question which they've is, is they've put here, which is, is they've put here, which is, is the identify with the gender you identify with the same your sex. firstly, do

same as your sex. firstly, do you believe in gender identity? yes. go to here, what yes. no. if no, go to here, what is gender identity people? >> easier. >> much easier. >> much easier. >> go on. »- >> go on. >> sorry, people don't know these. they don't these. these terms. they don't know identity. they don't these. these terms. they don't know what identity. they don't these. these terms. they don't know what idemeans'hey don't these. these terms. they don't know what idemeans really. n't these. these terms. they don't know what idemeans really. and know what that means really. and they they don't. they don't know what they don't. they is. they don't know what gender is. >> particularly you're >> but particularly if you're learning anyway, learning the language anyway, that time for that is all we've got time for in part two. but coming up, we've got carol vorderman we've got a carol vorderman

street. >> and welcome back to headliners. your first look at thursday's newspapers . we're thursday's newspapers. we're going to kick off this section with the independent. louis this is another bbc scandal sort of . is another bbc scandal sort of. >> oh, which one are we? >> oh, which one are we? >> this one is about? >> this one is about? >> oh . carol vorderman. >> oh. carol vorderman. >> oh. carol vorderman. >> carol vorderman. carol vorderman , who's whose great vorderman, who's whose great grandfather involved in grandfather was involved in discovering berry , is that right? >> yes. in indonesia, she's got a very mean, he was he didn't a very i mean, he was he didn't really discover it, but he proved it. yes. you can proved it. yes. that you can look vorderman it's very look up vorderman it's very interesting. wikipedia. anyway so carol vorderman, who is she?

she's from wales, which i didn't know, is that she was been fired for expressing opinions on social media. she had a show every saturday. yeah, radio show. show on the bbc. and show. radio show on the bbc. and the bbc said to her, if you from this point onward, if you open your mouth, were are you going to fired? so she opened to be fired? and so she opened her and they fired her. her mouth and they fired her. and fired her and the reason they fired her because they don't want because the bbc, they don't want to give game because to give the game away because carol vorderman is so totally carol vorderman is so is totally leftist, don't want to leftist, is they don't want to give away. that bbc give the game away. that the bbc is captured to use your word, by the new well let just the new world. well let me just bfing the new world. well let me just bring in here. bring steve in here. >> as someone who you've worked on haven't so, on the bbc, haven't you? so, i mean, think it's fair mean, do you think it's fair that i mean, not just that obviously during the shows, presenters have to aim for impartiality, comes impartiality, but when it comes to their own private social media accounts, of media accounts, that kind of thing, think ought thing, do you think they ought to prescribed this way? to be prescribed in this way? >> don't why we think >> no, i don't know why we think just pay towards just because we pay towards their , we get to make their paycheque, we get to make sure that none of their tweets are disagree with what we say. >> just come say. >> come back on what >> but just to come back on what lewis saying the lewis was saying isn't the problem here if they were problem here that if they were

to free reign to say to give them free reign to say what they want media, what they want on social media, everyone realise that what they want on social media, every(single realise that what they want on social media, every(single realthey 1at what they want on social media, every(single realthey employ every single person they employ is left wing. >> don't think that's >> well, i don't think that's true everyone i work with. true of everyone i work with. when i worked the bbc. well, when i worked at the bbc. well, the majority, yeah, certainly the majority, yeah, certainly the then i would the majority. and then i would to their employment. to rethink their employment. i wouldn't well the wouldn't mind as well in the same that andrew neil was same way that andrew neil was hosting during hosting on the bbc during brexit, opinions . brexit, tweeting his opinions. but didn't. i didn't cry about but i didn't. i didn't cry about it. not fair. he's it. oh, no, it's not fair. he's on the bbc. the thing i think i also, as a taxpayer, to fund the paycheque that goes mps, but paycheque that goes to mps, but i don't expect them to never disagree me politically. disagree with me politically. >> the state broadcaster >> but but the state broadcaster has a responsibility to for political impartiality. >> its output definitely . yeah. >> its output definitely. yeah. this is the thing. it's output definitely. but the private tweets of a private person, why definitely. but the private twewe of a private person, why definitely. but the private twewe thinkprivate person, why definitely. but the private twewe think we ate person, why definitely. but the private twewe think we get person, why definitely. but the private twewe think we get to �*son, why definitely. but the private twewe think we get to control1y them? >> on the other hand, lewis, it's not really a free speech issue because they've signed a contract bosses issue because they've signed a contrisaid, bosses issue because they've signed a contrisaid, you bosses issue because they've signed a contrisaid, you wantosses issue because they've signed a contrisaid, you want thiss issue because they've signed a contrisaid, you want this job, have said, if you want this job, you contract has been you have to contract has been retrospectively changed. but that can happen with contracts. yeah can happen. yeah you know, that can happen. and choose say, well, and you can choose to say, well, no, then job's not no, sorry, then the job's not for i don't think it is for me. so i don't think it is really. yeah. >> i think. well she do >> i think. well she didn't do that. she fired. she kept on

that. she was fired. she kept on talking. the fact is, the bbc talking. the fact is, is the bbc is state broadcaster. easter is the state broadcaster. easter is the state broadcaster. easter is arm and is the state propaganda arm and they place they want to keep their place and the way they keep their they want to keep their place and tiis way they keep their they want to keep their place and tiis byy they keep their they want to keep their place and tiis by pretending their they want to keep their place and tiis by pretending thatr they want to keep their place and tiis by pretending that that place is by pretending that that nobody is. >> you going nobody is. » you >> knew you were going to use the propaganda. the state. >> take a drink @_i >> i'll take a drink when he says state propaganda. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> well, you mark off. >> well, you mark that off. everybody this. about everybody knows this. it's about time in this time somebody said it. in this country, think i was spouting >> do you think i was spouting state propaganda? >> know what 6 million >> do you know what 6 million died were from died or lives were saved from covid? yeah. state covid? yeah. your state propaganda you're propaganda. i think what you're saying, lewis, were an saying, lewis, if you were an opinion, don't opinion, you are. you don't agree that. do you know agree with that. do you know what it is? if you you are lovely, steve. thank you're lovely, steve. thank you. you're lovely. would say a great lovely. and i would say a great quy- lovely. and i would say a great guy. and but the truth is , is guy. and but the truth is, is the is, if you work for the the fact is, if you work for the bbc, you are working for state propaganda. goodness, goodness me. >> i was on the moral maze at the bbc for a number of years . the bbc for a number of years. propagandist oh, there go. propagandist oh, there we go. all . anyway, now. all right. anyway, keep on now. thank you, lewis to this story, which in the sun. and this which is in the sun. and this will definitely make you want to get check—up . steve, get a dental check—up. steve, what's get a dental check—up. steve, wh yeah, is cancer. >> yeah, this is mouth cancer. death rates have increased 46%

amid there's a lack amid fears that there's a lack of dentists. of n hs dentists. >> of nhs dentists. >> they difficult to find nowadays. >> yeah, and we do need to fix this because there are areas of the country where people aren't in work. and i'll tell you one thing be holding them thing that might be holding them back a face that looks like you've fight. yeah, you've been in a fight. yeah, teeth as it seems like. teeth as much as it seems like. oh should for their oh why should we pay for their dentistry? sure we'd dentistry? i'm sure we'd have a better nation if everyone had better teeth, but it's a terrifying, isn't it? mouth cancer? even cancer? well, i didn't even think about that. >> didn't realise >> i didn't realise that dentists check for and they dentists check for that and they get to see had scare get to see my mum had a scare years and years ago. >> she had some lumps they years and years ago. >> are had some lumps they years and years ago. >> a littlei some lumps they years and years ago. >> a little biopsy. .umps they did a little biopsy. >> they just >> so do they check just naturally in a check—up they go and have a look? >> mean there's a thing >> yeah. i mean there's a thing in they in the article saying they should special checks, should do more special checks, but were already but at least they were already checking and a for checking and it's a worry for everyone. comes to everyone. and when it comes to mouth cancer, most are caused by smoking. don't smoke. smoking. i don't smoke. then they're caused alcohol they're caused by alcohol abuse. i and performing they're caused by alcohol abuse. i sex. and performing they're caused by alcohol abuse. i sex. needd performing they're caused by alcohol abuse. i sex. need to erforming they're caused by alcohol abuse. i sex. need to get rming they're caused by alcohol abuse. i sex. need to get checked. oral sex. i need to get checked. >> you steve what do >> you do? steve lewis, what do you make of this? >> i make steve is always wrong. why to wrong? but why do you have to be wrong? but people believe you because of your university and

your university degree and your whole your whole nice . whole your whole nice. >> it's going back to the fact you didn't get it is the fact is, here's the most important thing know isn't that thing to know is it isn't that dentists going say dentists are going to say dentists are going to say dentists there early and dentists can get there early and maybe do cut something out. >> but there's beyond >> but there's but beyond cutting no cutting things out, there's no cure for cancer. >> yeah, but if it's found early, of ten people early, nine out of ten people survive five mouth cancer. if it's not found early, it's 50 over 50. >> and number two, what is what are the you mentioned two of the major but major causes for cancer, but there's there's there's way more cancer. there's cancer is growing smoking cancer is growing as smoking goes down, as alcohol levels have flattened out because because things like high carbohydrate diets, spicy foods , carbohydrate diets, spicy foods, toothpaste, i'm not saying they definitely do, but they need to be looked at. you should google all of these things. what causes these medical these incredible medical knowledge again? >> yeah, yeah , yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> from my doctorate is from dr. google. >> there we go. doctor >> there we go. doctor >> google thousands of hours of watching youtube and we all know the best thing you can do when you're ill is google your own symptoms.

>> we're going to move on to the telegraph the week in telegraph now. mock the week in trouble mocking someone. trouble for mocking someone. >> yeah, they've >> steve yeah, they've apologised to the has apologised to well, the host has apologised to well, the host has apologised logan for apologised to gabby logan for jokes, her to a jokes, likening her to a transvestite. it was during a podcast that dara podcast interview that dara o'brien said, there was o'brien said, i think there was stuff that was said that you simply wouldn't do now. he actually basically said it was a different and can we just different time and can we just take instead take this opportunity instead of to join the mocking to then join in with the mocking and go, let's just and go, no, let's all just agree. it was a different agree. yeah it was a different time and you judge time and you can't judge material on was it material of the past on was it a different it was 2008. yeah that's not that much of difference. >> it's not like, you know, they didn't have the internet then and didn't have, you know, and they didn't have, you know, they wearing or something. >> it was such a different time. no, let them have no, but if you let them have that, can just that, then we can really just have oh, it was a have this rule of, oh, it was a different time, everybody. >> is that what you're saying? so could about so i could say that about lewis's at my club. lewis's last gig at my club. >> was different yeah >> it was a different time. yeah that january. but it that was in january. but it would mean we don't have to rewrite all of the books. this is it? i mean, the is mad, isn't it? i mean, the thing she she thing about this, she says she wasn't the joke, right? wasn't upset by the joke, right? i a lot of people who were

i think a lot of people who were celebrities public eye, celebrities in the public eye, they part the they accept that part of the deal you're get deal is you're going to get mocked kinds of shows. mocked on these kinds of shows. right. that's a fair right. and i think that's a fair deal right. and i think that's a fair deal. for all the deal. in return for all the money and the prestige. right. >> he >> so why should why should he why o'briain why should dara o'briain apologise? apologise he shouldn't. but but then again. apologise? apologise he shorhe1't. but but then again. apologise? apologise he shorhe1't. eand ut then again. apologise? apologise he shorhe1't. eand ut then agis,1. but he did. and the point is, is that feels he has to. and that he feels he has to. and everybody's apologising for things in past and call things in the past and to call somebody transvestite, mean, somebody a transvestite, i mean, he's some he's basically saying some transvestites attractive. this could >> yeah, this could be a compliment. be. compliment. yeah, it could be. it's i think it's it's not just him. i think it's frankie boyle as well. you know? >> now someone like >> and now there's someone like frankie bless him. frankie boyle. god bless him. he's. he's that woman who i'm spending with. spending a lot of time with. sorry ladies, who loves spending a lot of time with. sorry la boyle who loves spending a lot of time with. sorry la boyle and who loves spending a lot of time with. sorry laboyle and frankie ves spending a lot of time with. sorry laboyle and frankie boyle frankie boyle and frankie boyle now is holier than thou among the left wingers like yourself. steve, he's like a great guy. lewis schaffer is not a great quy- >> well, well, let's ask steve about that. i mean, do you think there's place still in comedy there's a place still in comedy for that of, suppose, for that kind of, i suppose, meaner, punching down style of comedy? still comedy? because there are still people the circuit? >> yeah. i mean, i think it's exactly going say, it's exactly i was going to say, it's still yeah. it's quite still there. yeah. it's quite often debates happen on often whenever debates happen on tv you can and tv about what comedy you can and

can't do, they're just talking about bbc output for some reason. whereas comedy reason. yes. whereas comedy exists shop loads exists all over the shop loads of happening. it was of it still happening. it was a joke . the second joke he did was joke. the second joke he did was about her having man hands. to joke. the second joke he did was ab> the same outfits >> i still wear the same outfits i think i think what's actually happening of happening is we're in a kind of cycle little pocket of you cycle a little pocket of you know think another 1015 cycle a little pocket of you know those< another 1015 cycle a little pocket of you know those sortanother 1015 cycle a little pocket of you know those sort of ither 1015 cycle a little pocket of you know those sort of jokes 015 cycle a little pocket of you know those sort of jokes will cycle a little pocket of you kn wasn't that stupid old time? i that's will happen. i think that's what will happen. >> the interview, >> no, no. in the interview, doris about who the victim doris talks about who the victim of a is, who you're. and of a joke is, who you're. and the of here is the victim of the joke here is not transvestite. no, it's. not a transvestite. no, it's. >> very rich celebrity. >> it's a very rich celebrity. >> it's a very rich celebrity. >> so that changes it. it >> yeah. so that changes it. it won't long you can won't be too long until you can joke about celebs. yeah, i joke about rich celebs. yeah, i agree with that. >> okay, well, >> probably not. okay, well, gaming the daily gaming news now from the daily mail. long anticipated grand mail. the long anticipated grand theft six is confirmed. theft auto six is confirmed. louis, it's not a game i've ever played. i think i draw the line at tetris, if i'm honest.

>> i looked this and >> yes. and i looked at this and i why are you giving i said, why are you giving me this story? because it does not a i've ever played. a game that i've ever played. i have actually played it. my son. my have actually played it. my son. my it. it was the my son played it. it was the first game that he had. my son played it. it was the firsand ne that he had. my son played it. it was the firsand ne thinote had. my son played it. it was the firs and ne thinot appropriate >> and i it's not appropriate because isn't it sort of very violent? >> sexually explicit. it's >> it is sexually explicit. it's brutal. rewarded for brutal. people are rewarded for committing random acts of violence. >> well, they should not be basically black lives matter. why did you why did you give this to your son? how old was he? >> he was about maybe 12 years. you're an irresponsible parent. i didn't know. i didn't know it was. but it was. how many you know, pimps did you have to see being beaten up with a baseball bat to realise this isn't right for 12 year old boy? you for my 12 year old boy? do you know try taking it away know what? try taking it away from him. and because, besides, i seeing him so i was seeing him so infrequently, do infrequently, i was just do anything him and get anything to get him and to get him house. this is him into my house. well, this is the problem, isn't it? >> it's the >> in a nutshell. it's the parents. look. anyway, the parents. but look. anyway, the big news about grand theft auto six apparently is there's a female yes. female protagonist. yes. >> so good >> is that isn't that so good that there is that finally there is representation girls representation for young girls who out there and who want to go out there and beat prostitutes?

beat up prostitutes? >> well, you know, women women can ought can be violent, too, and ought to be encouraged be. no, it to be encouraged to be. no, it doesn't does it? doesn't work, does it? it doesn't work, does it? it doesn't all. doesn't work, does it? it doe no. all. doesn't work, does it? it doe no. but all. doesn't work, does it? it doe no. but it's all. doesn't work, does it? it doe no. but it's a pegi 18 one. >> no. but it's a pegi 18 one. so you're not if you're under so if you're not if you're under 18. no >> but 18. n0 >> but who 18. n0 » butwho >> but who is who is everyone? who is pegi? >> it's first wife. >> it's your first wife. >> it's your first wife. >> question. get to >> that's the question. get to the of that lewis. the bottom of that one, lewis. >> yeah, i judge you. let's move on. okay. we're going go on on. okay. we're going to go on to next story now. and this to the next story now. and this one is from the metro. this is about steve about renting properties. steve there's actually bit worrying there's actually a bit worrying this story. >> , white people are still >> yeah, white people are still 36% more likely to be rented a room than black people. this is what they did with a test. they made an application that was identical other than the ethnicity and name zahawi and lizzie. loads more lizzie. lizzie got loads more replies come lizzie. lizzie got loads more repliescheck come lizzie. lizzie got loads more replies check out come lizzie. lizzie got loads more replies check out the come lizzie. lizzie got loads more replies check out the place and round, check out the place and look, it's so tempting look, i think it's so tempting to think, oh no, we need to unpick this and prove it wrong. the closest i could think of is that know gender that i don't know if the gender is specified on the application. lizzie know. yes, lizzie we definitely know. yes, zuri's be missing stood more zuri's may be missing stood more because remember ago zuri's may be missing stood more becaula remember ago zuri's may be missing stood more becaula realember ago zuri's may be missing stood more becaula rea single ago zuri's may be missing stood more becaula rea single bloke ago zuri's may be missing stood more becaula rea single bloke trying zuri's may be missing stood more be rents rea single bloke trying zuri's may be missing stood more be rent a rea single bloke trying zuri's may be missing stood more be rent a room,ingle bloke trying zuri's may be missing stood more be rent a room,ingwas loke trying zuri's may be missing stood more be rent a room,ingwas like trying to rent a room, it was like being a no one wants to being a leper. no one wants to know that. know there is that.

>> a lot people >> actually a lot of people don't want there is don't want male. so there is possibly you see, because possibly that. you see, because i'm very sceptical whenever there's about, oh, there's these stories about, oh, systemic there's these stories about, oh, systevidence there's these stories about, oh, syst evidence free there's these stories about, oh, systevidence free and it's just it's evidence free and it's just an a suggestion . an allegation or a suggestion. this does look dodgy, actually . this does look dodgy, actually. and you know, it looks to me because race of because the race of the applicant clear, it looks to applicant was clear, it looks to me, i mean, it could just be that these are racist landlords. >> yeah, it could. well, yes, there are 36% of landlords are racist or unconscious bias. here's the problem. it's a decision where you almost arbitrarily picking who to rent the room or flat to . so who the room or flat to. so who knows how easy it is for bias. >> but you're right, actually, they should have made both of them both them men, them women or both of them men, because i would much rather have a applicant a male a female applicant than a male applicant because applicant as a landlord, because women mess up the women women don't mess up the place as much. is place as much. right. is that fair? i to rent fair? lewis well, i used to rent rooms in my flat. >> i was a slow , um, landlord is >> i was a slow, um, landlord is that right? as well as a slum tenant because i was living there. so it was a bit of a slum and i would rent to every single ethnic group to black people, chinese we japanese

chinese people. we had japanese people, people, spanish people, we had people, spanish people, we had people, spanish people, the people, people from all over the world. never rent to any world. i would never rent to any had high turnover. i would had a high turnover. i would never english person. never rent to an english person. really yeah. because they knew their rights . they wouldn't their rights. they wouldn't massage my they kept massage my feet. they kept the door . door closed. >> okay, moving on. we're going to have to go to a break now. but coming up in the final section, we've got cats, we've got chocolate and we've got elon musk's neuralink brain chip. see you a

>> welcome back to headliners. >> welcome back to headliners. >> your first look at thursday as newspapers . let's begin with as newspapers. let's begin with the metro. some super important news, steve. what's this? >> we're going to get an amazing view of uranus next week. >> fancy that. >> fancy that. >> and steve uranus. it says uranus is a bit weird one to be honest. stargazers rejoice. we're going to get a spectacular view of uranus on monday. basically because the earth whips around the sun quicker

than all the planets in the outer solar system. once a year, we to all the outer we get closer to all the outer planets. and because you never see do suppose see this planet, do you suppose not? it's quite far away. >> away. >> far away. >> far away. >> but about to see it with. >> but you about to see it with. with eyesight. get with your eyesight. if you get some binoculars telescope with your eyesight. if you get sorwouldoculars telescope with your eyesight. if you get sorwould ocu great. telescope with your eyesight. if you get sorwould ocu great. weescope with your eyesight. if you get sorwould ocu great. we are pe it, would be great. we are slightly closer to it, but the entire article is basically just bottom jokes. the ones bottom jokes. yes, but the ones that out that they've missed out are saying let's have saying, let's have a look. you're anus is so big. i can see it from my backyard. i didn't say that. my plan for monday night is to just down night is to just sit down and look or once a year night is to just sit down and loo get or once a year night is to just sit down and loo get closer or once a year night is to just sit down and loo get closer to )r once a year night is to just sit down and loo get closer to uranus.a year night is to just sit down and loo get closer to uranus. so ear we get closer to uranus. so we're like a married couple. maybe they shouldn't have done that what you think of >> miss, what do you think of all i think, know what? >> time t time @ time seea t.— >> every time i see a planet, first of all, why. why is uranus ? why does it go slower than the earth? we don't know. why is uranus tilted it's tilted on uranus tilted on? it's tilted on its course because if team world that's why it's a team different because because it's all explained by velikovsky v e. l. i. k >> we don't have time for this now. we don't. >> but at the end of the day,

venus is one of the most interesting planets because in the babylonian era it was completely visible to the sky. it was one the great plan. it was one of the great plan. it's yes and now it's a little dot where you've got to like make. >> well, it just reminds us of how small in the cosmic. how small we are in the cosmic. >> no, it doesn't. because once upon time there was a war upon a time there was a war between between saturn and uranus. >> you know, i've heard this theory before. it's way too long for this show. so let's move on now. and i'm not censoring you, lewis. just conscious of lewis. i'm just conscious of time this is the story from time cos this is the story from the now elon musk the daily mail. now elon musk news. he's always getting in the headunes. news. he's always getting in the headlines . lewis what's headlines. lewis what's this? >> amazing. musk >> well, he's amazing. elon musk has new to money spend. has got some new to money spend. he to break into people's he wants to break into people's brains. >> well, quite yet. he >> well, not quite yet. he wants. he. >> he wants. that's he's >> he wants. that's what he's doing. their doing. he's breaking into their brains piece of brains. he's taking a piece of their skull and he's going to put a there and he's put a chip in there and he's going to take people who who is basically going to control people, as surprise people, which came as a surprise to because during this whole to me, because during this whole covid thing, i thought the entire was entire world was controlled, was controlled , chip. controlled, the chip.

>> is even elon has a chip >> this is even elon has a chip in his brain . in his brain. >> this is he's got a chip in it. this is the whole thing about what they call transhuman ism. >> so effectively you can have a chip brain that means chip in your brain that means your computer you've your part. computer or you've got internet. all got access to the internet. all the or whatever. the time or whatever. cyborg absolutely the time or whatever. cyborg absoiittely the time or whatever. cyborg absoiit on monkeys pigs . tried it on monkeys and pigs. have any these monkeys or have any of these monkeys or pigs have any of these monkeys or pigs to take over the pigs tried to take over the world? i saw of the apes. pigs tried to take over the worno,i saw of the apes. pigs tried to take over the worno, isaw of the apes. pigs tried to take over the worno, i think of the apes. pigs tried to take over the worno, i think this of the apes. pigs tried to take over the worno, i think this might; apes. pigs tried to take over the worno, i think this might be )es. >> no, i think this might be a remote control. pigs and monkeys. how is he not selling those? he's enough those? i know he's rich enough already. those already. part of one of those for aren't you? for christmas, aren't you? slightly worried about. >> why there >> i mean, look, why are there thousands of people saying they want this? thousands of people saying they warwell, this? thousands of people saying they warwell, because it's not about >> well, because it's not about browsing the in your browsing the internet in your head channels head and changing tv channels and it's about giving and all that. it's about giving people ability to walk when people the ability to walk when they've got spinal column that people the ability to walk when they've sensepinal column that people the ability to walk when they've sensepinme.)lumn that people the ability to walk when they'vesensepinme. yeah. that people the ability to walk when they've sensepin me. yeah. and makes sense to me. yeah. and if and 11 people are going and the 11 people that are going to on are volunteers to do surgery on are volunteers who to hopefully who need this to hopefully treat some sense to me. >> but it is a slippery slope because once you accept that, okay, need that okay, there's a need for that kind thing, suddenly kind of thing, then suddenly it's, oh, i just want to be smarter like that. girl smarter like that. that girl in the film, you the last terminator film, you know mean? don't know what i mean? i don't know if get reference, but,

if you get that reference, but, you they end up as you know, they we end up as cyborgs. end as being cyborgs. we end up as being controlled world central controlled world from a central computer the and computer like the borg. and we're not human beings anymore. >> borg's not really controlled by one central. i know eventually in voyager you end up with but that's with a borg queen. but that's what was referring to what i was referring to originally. just, originally. it was more of just, you are it's you know, we are one. it's a hive mind. you know, we are one. it's a hiv> i'm bad at some things. not the ones that will impress the women. women really do love bad the ones that will impress the womewhich nen really do love bad the ones that will impress the womewhich isn really do love bad the ones that will impress the womewhich isn reaall do love bad the ones that will impress the womewhich isn reaall do lwomen boys, which is why all the women on seem to go on twitter seem to go after lewis. he is awful . awful? yeah. >> they love me . girls love me. >> they love me. girls love me. >> they love me. girls love me. >> ladies think men who take more risks are sexier, but only for flings . good news, because for flings. good news, because that's exactly what we'd like you for. so they've done this research. scientists have studied 1300 women. sad lonely, desperate scientists working out well, i can't find one. and they've found out. they've found it. talk about it. yeah. they also talk about what you can do to stop yourself cheating. i don't know why that's in this article as well.

>> what's that got to do with anything? >> what's that got to do with anyhing? >> what's that got to do with anyi don't know. but it's down >> what's that got to do with any bottom (now. but it's down >> what's that got to do with any bottom and'. but it's down >> what's that got to do with any bottom and it's|t it's down >> what's that got to do with any bottom and it's basically n the bottom and it's basically trying got three trying not cheat. i've got three tips. that's advice, though. >> that's all it is. yeah. if you try cheat. actually, you try not to cheat. actually, no, opposite. i think no, it's the opposite. i think it more attractive then, no, it's the opposite. i think it it, more attractive then, no, it's the opposite. i think it it, lewis, attractive then, no, it's the opposite. i think it it, lewis, what tive then, no, it's the opposite. i think it it, lewis, what doe then, no, it's the opposite. i think it it, lewis, what do you n, doesn't it, lewis, what do you think of all this? i mean, do you women you think that women are attracted guys? that attracted to bad guys? is that why on this bad guy persona? >> i'm trying to be as nice as possible. uk no, you're not. i totally am. i think with women, with who basically with women who they basically this you've this article is saying if you've got money, come from got a lot of money, come from a rich country that you out rich country that you go out with because you don't with a bad boy because you don't care about the money, because you're get the money you're going to get the money from team is from the state team world is going give money. okay. >> we're going to move to on the metro nestle having metro now. fans of nestle having a bad day. yeah. a bad day. louis yeah. >> nestle, is don't know. >> nestle, this is i don't know. i'm new this country. i've i'm new to this country. i've only been here 23 years. and don't immigration don't ask about my immigration status who now status and, and nestle, who now owns was a candy owns caramac, which was a candy bar which i never heard of. it's iconic. >> louis so you should have heard of it. i never heard of it. so obviously they've scrapping caramac, they're

scrapping. they replacing it scrapping. are they replacing it with something else, with some other causing . other bit of diabetes causing. gosh, i've never tried a karamat so don't say it's iconic . so don't say it's iconic. >> you've never even had. >> you've never even had. >> it's iconic to some people. >> it's iconic to some people. >> some people like it. so it's iconic to them. i mean, it's not like a whisper bar, which is iconic to me. >> i hated it because it's not a chocolate. it fools you into thinking get thinking you're about to get a chocolate bar. no chocolate chocolate bar. and no chocolate in there at all. what is it? caramel flavoured. in there at all. what is it? caramit?flavoured. in there at all. what is it? caramit? yeah. red. in there at all. what is it? caramit? yeah. well, that >> is it? yeah. well, that sounds fraudulent to me. yeah, exactly. just exactly. okay, well, we've just got for more story very got time for one more story very quickly. it's the daily mail. so bad don't forget bad news. don't forget louis. it's you're a lover it's bad news if you're a lover of cats. >> f- f— >> steve. yep. having a cat can make you frail in your old age. i've so i'm not even i've got two, so i'm not even going get this chair going to get off this chair properly. they've done research, going to get off this chair propbyy. they've done research, going to get off this chair propbyy. titimee done research, going to get off this chair propbyy. titime you1e research, going to get off this chair propbyy. titime you getesearch, going to get off this chair propbyy. titime you get older, , and by the time you get older, if cat, you could if you have a cat, you could have this toxoplasma gondii parasite. so you might picked up a yeah a parasite from the cat. yeah it then little cysts then goes into little cysts inside body, waits until inside your body, waits until your immunity. >> if that's >> i'm sorry. even if that's true, can't live in fear of true, you can't live in fear of cats. they're just of life's joys. >> do you know this? this parasite is amazing, though, because it because when rodents get it, it makes afraid of cats.

makes them not afraid of cats. they eaten by cats, and the they get eaten by cats, and the parasite ends up back in the cat's gut. >> that quite astonishing. >> that is quite astonishing. and really horrific. and also really deeply horrific. it it? louis, any it is, isn't it? louis, any thoughts on cats? >> thoughts on is this >> my thoughts on cats is this is those stories. there's is one of those stories. there's too many variables. the number one people who one variable is that people who own have basically given up own cats have basically given up all hope of life and they're they're usually vegetarians. so there we go. >> get yourself some tropical fish. >> but don't don't forget, this is our two year anniversary of headunes. headlines. >> it is, i should say, that two year anniversary of headline tonight calendar. tonight show the calendar. i'm afraid time to afraid we haven't got time to show we have time. show lewis. we have time. >> eighth, right? >> it's on the eighth, right? the 8th of november. >> have quick look at >> let's have a quick look at tuesday's front pages before we go. schaefer how .uk pm tells met chief on your head be it the sun is leading with where have all the poppies gone? the guardian starmer fights to control party as shadow ministers threaten to quit. the times braverman brands met times has braverman brands met biased over gaza? march eye news tories accused home secretary of fuelling uk far right anger and finally the daily star . they

finally the daily star. they found bigfoot in wales apparently that's all we've got time for. thank you ever so much to my guests. steve n allen and lewis we are back lewis schaefer. we are back tomorrow at 11:00 with some other people. and if you're watching at 5 am, stay tuned for

away . away. >> good evening. the indecision grows . no one >> good evening. the indecision grows. no one seems to be in charge. no one can make a decision as to whether the pro—palestine march should go aheadin pro—palestine march should go ahead in london on an armistice day, we going to need to build 8000 new roads in this country just to cope with net migration levels at the current number. don't take it from me. migration watch will come on and tell us all and the de—banking scandal grows as more and more people start to complain to the authorities. i would like to think i might have had just

something to do with that. but before all of those items, let's get the news from polly middlehurst . nigel thank you. middlehurst. nigel thank you. >> in the top story this hour, the prime minister has welcomed assurances from the metropolitan police that the pro—palestinian march planned for this weekend dufing march planned for this weekend during the nation's annual pefiod during the nation's annual period of remembrance will be routed away from the cenotaph in london. rishi sunak spoke with the met police chief, sir mark rowley today amid concerns the march could interfere with remembrance commemorations in a statement, the prime minister described the planned march as disrespect , artful and disrespect, artful and offensive. in any case, the london mayor, sadiq khan , says london mayor, sadiq khan, says the policing of protests shouldn't become political. but the met insists it is keeping an eye on this weekend's events. transport secretary mark harper, though, says sir mark rowley will be held accountable for any trouble. >> this is the operator responsibility of the

commissioner of