>> morning. it's 930 on thursday, the 9th of november. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. so braverman blasts the met, the home secretary launches a scathing attack on the met police, accusing them of bias and standards . and double standards. >> will explain why and sir keir starmer strife. >> it won't go away. tensions build within the labour party as more members are expected to quit over his refusal to support a gaza . a ceasefire in gaza. >> and boris bombshell book. michael gove often plotted against the prime minister, a shadowy cabal runs the tory party and boris branded his former top aide, dominic cummings, a nihilist. just some of the claims made by a former culture secretary. in a book released this morning and binned by the beeb, carol vorderman has left her bbc radio show over after new social media guidelines. >> she was constantly criticising the tory party . she criticising the tory party. she says she won't be silenced, but guess what.7 the bbc's gary lineker is still there and he's still attacking the government .

still attacking the government. she's low hanging fruit, isn't she? she's low hanging fruit, isn't she.7 suella she's low hanging fruit, isn't she? suella braverman oh, vorderman was , well, yes, easy vorderman was, well, yes, easy to get rid of her, possibly. remember when they tried they took gary lineker off air? all those bbc presenters went on strike. >> she's been very controversial . if you don't follow her on social media, she's been making some very inflammatory statements and very much criticising the government. i mean, it certainly wasn't impartial . mean, it certainly wasn't impartial. no. in terms of how bbc presenters are to bbc presenters are supposed to behave, luckily we don't have to behave, luckily we don't have to be impartial. we have our opinions you have yours. we opinions and you have yours. we want to hear them gbviews@gbnews.com is the email address. but first of all, here's the very latest news with tatiana . tatiana. >> beth. thank you very much and good morning. this is the latest from the newsroom. the home secretary has come under fire for accusing the metropolitan police of double standards over

their decision to allow pro—palestinian rallies to go ahead on armistice day. liberal democrat leader sir ed davey has called for the prime minister to sack suella braverman over her claims. the prime minister met with the met police commissioner yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable if there was any trouble. our political editor christopher hope has more on this story. >> westminster is reeling from overnight comments from suella braverman, the home secretary saying there was double standards policing standards in policing the football fans are treated differently to supporters of black lives matter and other seen as leftwing movements. well, i understand that overnight number 10 downing street did sign off on these remarks from suella braverman. so the question today is, does the pm have confidence in his home secretary suella braverman increasingly, tension increasingly, there is tension on the frontbench and the backbench about the comments from braverman someone from suella braverman someone say in tune with the say they're in tune with the tory grassroots, but others on the of the party are very concerned. >> idf soldiers have uncovered

tunnel shafts and thieves seized weapon caches when they took control of a hamas outpost in northern gaza. they say it took ten hours of fighting to take control of the military stronghold in western jabalya. some 80 countries and international organisations will meet in paris later today to discuss ways of getting humanitarian aid to people in gaza. humanitarian aid to people in gaza . health authorities from gaza. health authorities from both the palestinian and israeli sides claim over 12,000 people have died in the conflict , with have died in the conflict, with an additional 163 fatalities in the west bank. while the foreign secretary is in saudi arabia as part of a diplomatic effort to continue to prevent the middle east crisis spiralling into wider war, he'll hold high level talks with regional counterparts and efforts to avoid escalation and efforts to avoid escalation and work towards a two state solution for israel and palestine . a 14 year old boy has palestine. a 14 year old boy has been charged with murder over the fatal stabbing of 15 year

old alfie lewis . alfie was old alfie lewis. alfie was attacked in the horsforth area of leeds on tuesday afternoon as children were leaving to nearby schools. the 14 year old will appearin schools. the 14 year old will appear in court, also charged with possession of a knife. alfie's family say he was 1 in 1,000,000 and he had the biggest heart . you can get more on all heart. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website , gbnews.com. now back to website, gbnews.com. now back to andrew and . bev andrew and. bev >> very good morning. it's 934 on thursday. now it is around 48 hours until armistice day and a war has broken out between the government and the met police over whether a pro—palestinian march should be banned. the met's commissioner, mark rowley, insisted protests not met's commissioner, mark rowley, insist�*the protests not met's commissioner, mark rowley, insist�*the thresholds not met's commissioner, mark rowley, insist�*the threshold for not met's commissioner, mark rowley, insist�*the threshold for serious meet the threshold for serious disorder. >> well, overnight the home secretary, suella braverman, she's the police of she's accused the police of double standards the way they double standards in the way they handle protests where they apply. >> she says a softer approach towards left groups like

>> she says a softer approach towar(lives groups like >> she says a softer approach towar(lives matters oups like >> she says a softer approach towar(lives matters compared to black lives matters compared to right wing protests like anti—lockdown, and anti—lockdown, demos and football but it's football hooligans. but it's been reported that some within her party concerned that the her party are concerned that the comments march will comments on the march will inflame tensions and anger. and you wouldn't believe who's spearheading the pro—palestinian march . march. >> that's right . >> that's right. >> that's right. >> a man called ben sofer was working as head of digital organising for sir keir starmers labour party until just a few days ago. funny that so quite a lot to digest there, andrew. >> we're going to be we want to hear your your thoughts on this at home, but what do you think of suella braverman's comments this morning? >> she's deliberately provocative, but she's got a point, hasn't she? i think so. >> i mean, her argument and she's basically what she's done is she's written a comment piece in today's times newspaper , in today's times newspaper, which in itself is a little bit unusual all commonly do do unusual. all mps commonly do do this, of course, but you would normally hope that it would be signed by number 10 because signed off by number 10 because otherwise it can cause sorts signed off by number 10 because otitrouble. t can cause sorts signed off by number 10 because otitrouble. now, cause sorts signed off by number 10 because otitrouble. now, causthink sorts signed off by number 10 because

otitrouble. now, causthink itrts of trouble. now, you think it has been signed off? yeah but she the problem her is she said the problem for her is that weekend these that every weekend these protests more and more protests have got more and more violent. she said these events have been problematic, just have been problematic, not just because violence around have been problematic, not just bec fringes, violence around have been problematic, not just bec fringes, butviolence around have been problematic, not just bec fringes, but because around have been problematic, not just bec fringes, but because arothe the fringes, but because of the highly offensive content of chants, stickers. chants, posters and stickers. and weekend has been worse and each weekend has been worse than one. but she than the previous one. but she says that right wing and nationalist protesters who engage aggression rightly engage in aggression are rightly met stern response. yet met with a stern response. yet pro—palestinian mobs displaying almost behaviour almost identical behaviour are largely ignored, even when clearly breaking the law. >> well , it's clearly breaking the law. >> well, it's interesting. we've got two very interesting guests here because we've here this morning because we've got former tory mp got steve norris, former tory mp and of course , our and minister and of course, our very own estimate, a lady is first esther suella. >> well, first of all, you know, of course, a right comment pieces, ministers and mps. it's pertinent , it's very pieces, ministers and mps. it's pertinent, it's very time specific and as you say, we think she got clearance from number 10. but i think the questions you need to ask and i think there are a couple here. one, is she right? and two,

should done this in a should she have done this in a private or in a public way private way or in a public way like this? so i was looking at when was the last time a march was banned and it was back in 2011 under theresa may as home secretary and it was the english defence league, so that the right right wing organisation. so that was stopped because they thought there was serious threat there. so you need to start working we seeing one working out. are we seeing one law for one and one law for the other then that would be wrong because police should be free policing without fear or favour. so i think you need to get the facts on and that needs to so i think you need to get the facchallenged.1d that needs to so i think you need to get the facchallenged. if that needs to so i think you need to get the facchallenged. if there feeds to so i think you need to get the facchallenged. if there is. ds to so i think you need to get the facchallenged. if there is. but) be challenged. if there is. but i think secondary is should she be this in private or be doing this in private or public? you saw the prime minister call mark rowley into private to see him to say, look, this is going to be disrespectful. are going disrespectful. how are you going to police it? what's going to happen? could there serious happen? could there be serious threats? some way threats? it seems in some way that must have reassured that he must have been reassured that he must have been reassured that this wasn't going to go out of hand. however, as the days are getting closer, i think we are getting closer, i think we are seeing more things ramping

up now. we are seeing people who want to protect the cenotaph, don't think the police are going to be doing a sufficient job. they're going to come out on the streets. so what we're seeing could be a highly tense , could be a highly tense, inflamed situation. and i think they need to keep their eye on that because could that because i think it could well threshold for well pass the threshold for serious disorder. >> stephen, just finally, do do you think she's right, what she's written are the police, the people who are in charge of the people who are in charge of the police. she's not talking about the rank and file cops, is she? are they biased? >> right. so i think there's two things here. there's one do things here. there's one to do with size bias, right. when with size and bias, right. when it to me the protest seems it seems to me the protest seems to so big, it seems now the to be so big, it seems now the police are intimidated and coward and that's why they're not doing anything. give them a small protest . a protest, even small protest. a protest, even the sarah everard one, which they thought they were going to do lockdown they do during lockdown and they handle badly and it was handle that so badly and it was a small one. they tried to in some way contain that. but then you saw the black lives matter

one where they didn't. so is it between left and right or is it about size? they feel intimidated. coward intimidated. they feel coward when should be giving when really we should be giving them confidence need. them the confidence they need. those rank and file police who actually, think, do hold the actually, i think, do hold the beliefs we do. think as they beliefs we do. i think as they go into senior police officers, they get more politically they get a bit more politically correct. get a bit more correct. they get a bit more political, a bit woke a bit liberal, left leaning and weaker political, a bit woke a bit libeithereforeeaning and weaker political, a bit woke a bit libeitherefore scared and weaker political, a bit woke a bit libeitherefore scared anccertainr and therefore scared of certain demographics that. demographics are scared of that. but think it's a size thing, but i think it's a size thing, right size thing. >> steve, what do you think? >> steve, what do you think? >> i think it's just summed it up really well because, you know, for a couple of years now, mark rowley indeed mark rowley and indeed his predecessor seemed to be, predecessor have seemed to be, you know, unsure of just how they should treat public demonstration . that's an demonstration. and that's an absolute for people absolute human right for people to able to protest and do it to be able to protest and do it publicly a country like ours. publicly in a country like ours. and god knows a much and god knows it would be a much poorer if we couldn't. poorer country if we couldn't. but been lot of but there's been a lot of inconsistency, you know, officers thinking that right officers thinking that the right thing do was to take thing for them to do was to take a into black lives matter a knee into black lives matter protest or whatever . and as as protest or whatever. and as as esther says, i mean, i think,

you know, the problem actually does go back to the met. there are two issues, after all, aren't there? one is suella braverman and whatever leadership bid she happens to be on and how she wants to handle a long bid, isn't it, considering we an election for we haven't got an election for at months? deeply at least six months? deeply bonng at least six months? deeply boring as well, if you boring process as well, if you mind but you know, mind me saying so. but you know, the fact is that actually, as far the police are concerned, far as the police are concerned, to degree, they're damned to some degree, they're damned if they do and they're damned if they were say, they don't. were they to say, we're going stop it, we're we're going to stop it, we're going ring it, we're going to going to ring it, we're going to just the black mirror's out just get the black mirror's out and in, you know, and vest them in, you know, arrest in the hundreds? arrest them in the hundreds? thatis arrest them in the hundreds? that is going to very, very that is going to be very, very difficult do. on the other difficult to do. on the other hand, they say, well, look, hand, if they say, well, look, you're actually you're not going actually anywhere we know anywhere near whitehall, we know perfectly what what the perfectly well what the what the route going to have route is. we're going to have police stationed. route is. we're going to have policeis stationed. route is. we're going to have policeis a stationed. route is. we're going to have policeis a breakawayred. route is. we're going to have policeis a breakaway group. they there is a breakaway group. they think contain them. think they can contain them. well, that's the well, then perhaps that's the only solution. i do think, as i say, a tough job policing say, it's a tough job policing pubuc say, it's a tough job policing public demonstrations, and we should that. and should never forget that. and the of the i think the record of the met, i think over the few years, you over the last few years, you know, as a kind of londoner , i know, as a kind of londoner, i

have tell you, has not been have to tell you, has not been great. everybody knows great. i think everybody knows that public trust in the that public public trust in the met collapsed. i think met has collapsed. i think it has. this is rowley's has. and this is mark rowley's massive far as i'm massive agenda. as far as i'm concerned. this is his job. he's got to reinstate confidence in the metropolitan police in a sense that they just do their job fairly. whether you're protesting that, we should have, you know , a ceasefire. now, you know, a ceasefire. now, whether you believe that that would be entirely wrong, that's a matter for each of us to make our own minds up on. but, you know, the way they're patrolling these events, i think is the real key. >> forgive me for interrupting you, steve. we just want to expand this story little expand on this story a little bit. has been bit. yvette cooper has been granted question this granted an urgent question this morning home morning to ask the home secretary a statement on secretary to make a statement on the operational independence of the operational independence of the it's currently the met police. it's currently being commons. being discussed in the commons. we're a little listen. >> she's, of course, to shadow home secretary, feeling, home secretary, a feeling, a deeply what is going deeply uneasy at what is going on in the middle east, but its repercussions domestically well. we have seen a spike in >> we have seen a spike in islamophobic offences . there islamophobic offences. there have been 21 arrests in the last four weeks for islamophobic

offences. seen a surge offences. we have seen a surge in anti—semitic there in anti—semitic offences. there have arrests have been 98 arrests for anti—semitic offences in the last four four weeks and i've been contacted this morning by members of the jewish community who are deeply uneasy about what this weekend will bring. and i don't think it's acceptable that our fellow citizens feel scared or uneasy walking about the streets of london. and it is reasonable for politicians, the prime minister, the home secretary and others, i'm sure some on the other side of the house as well, raise those house as well, to raise those concerns make sure that the concerns and make sure that the police those police are protecting those communities . it police are protecting those communities. it is police are protecting those communities . it is not communities. it is not acceptable to have fear and hatred on our streets . let that hatred on our streets. let that message go out from this house today. message go out from this house today . in relation to the today. in relation to the question about operational independence, yes, of course, the government resolutely backs the government resolutely backs the question of operation independence as the prime minister made clear yesterday after his meeting with the commissioner at number 10. but the prime minister also said after his meeting at number 10

that he would hold the commissioner to account as politicians are supposed to do, as police and crime commissioners do, as the mayor of london does, as london's pcc and as we do as members of parliament. that is perfectly proper and perfectly right in terms of the approval process with number 10, i'm afraid i don't have any visibility on that at all. but let's keep in mind, let's keep in mind that we are seeing a humanitarian crisis unfolding in gaza . let's keep in unfolding in gaza. let's keep in mind there are 200 people being held hostage. let's bear in mind, 1400 people were slaughtered by terrorists and members of our own community are feeling scared this weekend. let's keep that at the front of our mind, not party. political point scoring . point scoring. >> let's talk to esther mcvey. i think she's possibly struck a chord with the public. the home secretary. you see labour are on the warpath. of course. >> yes. look, we're all talking about it. everybody's concerned about it. everybody's concerned about what's going to happen. you know, we're meant to be. it's ironic , isn't it? we're

it's ironic, isn't it? we're saying those have the saying those people have the right to protest. but what we're saying secretary saying is the home secretary doesn't to say doesn't have the right to say these things and have a conversation with public. conversation with the public. it seems ironic, i seems somewhat ironic, but i think this here by yvette think this move here by yvette yvette to have this yvette cooper to have this urgent question to put the home secretary on the back foot , as secretary on the back foot, as it were, i think it's great diversion tactics, actually, from the problems keir starmer is having because actually he's got his frontbench now crumbling . he's got councillors in the country wanting to resign . he's country wanting to resign. he's now even got mosques in preston calling on councillors to sign a letter to call for sir keir starmer to stand down. so this to me, this urgent question is very much diversionary tactics to what's going on in the labour party. this is a major issue for us. you've seen imran hussain has stood down. think of the pressure that will now put on other labour mps who've got a big muslim contingent in their seat. >> well, i think that's what i think. that's why he stood down.

he he, he's in bradford and george galloway, one of by—election in bradford and to the afghanistan war. >> yeah you know what strikes me about all of this is the absolute death of multiculturalism. we thought multiculturalism. if we thought multicoloured terrorism was bringing building one bringing was building one society, you see some of these clips of the of muslim leaders preaching the divine right of muslims and the divine obugafion muslims and the divine obligation of muslims to, you know , to side against israel in know, to side against israel in this dispute. and that's in this country. that's not in iran or in qatar or anywhere else. this is in this country. if we think multicolour terrorism has been a great achievement in this country, i think i'm afraid we're wrong. and what we're seeing this particularly, but i absolutely agree with esther. this much a problem for this is much more a problem for keir starmer it for the current. >> interesting. >> interesting. >> well, let's now stay there you to speak to former labour defence minister ivor caplin. >> morning is big >> morning ivor. is this a big is a bigger problem for sir is this a bigger problem for sir keir starmer than it is for rishi sunak ?

rishi sunak? >> no, i don't think so. i think , you know, the, the numbers that we've seen , people that we've seen, people resigning or. that we've seen, people resigning or . one resignation resigning or. one resignation from the front bench are pretty small in respect of the actual numbers that we have across the country . and i and i think that country. and i and i think that the problem that the prime minister is different. of course is but in general terms is keir starmer's views on all of this has been right alongside both the government of the united kingdom and of course what is going on in g seven and other countries where people do understand that you can't just give everything back to hamas by stopping what has happened , what stopping what has happened, what happened over the seventh was the most disgraceful thing that we have seen since the second world war. and for that alone,

that terrorist needs to be stopped and stopping it. israel will that is within their powers . and i think starmer has been spot on on this . and yes, some spot on on this. and yes, some people disagree . that's people disagree. that's absolutely fine. and labour party, but it doesn't mean that he's got it wrong. he's actually got it right, consistent with what is being said by all around the world. >> we're going to interrupt you because the audio is not very good at the moment. so we're going to go back to the panel in the studio. he's saying it's not a problem for labour. it is a big problem for labour. it is a big problem for labour. it is a dozen labour mps have tabled an amendment to king's an amendment to the king's speech demanding speech next week demanding a ceasefire. don't remember that ceasefire. i don't remember that happening ceasefire. i don't remember that happen neither i. and of >> no, neither do i. and of course, you know people who course, you know the people who in party have in the conservative party have called current prime called for the current prime minister resign. got minister to resign. you've got to accept there'll be 1 or 2. but we know this is on a different scale. this is a very, very a party very serious issue for a party that's relied on the muslim vote, historically assumed that

whilst people vote, historically assumed that whilst of people vote, historically assumed that whilst of indian ople vote, historically assumed that whilst of indian descent have generally of indian descent have tended you know, ultimately tended to, you know, ultimately vote conservative muslim people from pakistan, bangladesh and so on have tended to vote labour. and this is going to be a key element in the next general election. and you sense that whatever however this resolves in the short term, it's going to have very, very long term implications the labour party. >> 30 seats we think has to possibly i about this in possibly i wrote about this in the a few days ago, 30 the mail a few days ago, 30 seats where the muslim vote is 4,045. if they voted at all 4,045. and if they voted at all and more going up to and going up and if they voted as a bloc, if they put up an independent candidate or labour could lose 30 seats, that could. >> and galloway has felt emboldened. >> he's now talking about running running running in london and running another party. >> it was a stately procession into number 10 for keir starmer. suddenly it's not quite so stately. >> it isn't . and again, you need >> it isn't. and again, you need to look at what he's done because he's oscillate eating because he's oscillate eating because he's oscillate eating because he's worrying what to do. we had a poppy on. he had a poppy do. we had a poppy on. he had a poppy off as he went to different events. i mean, that

was deeply embarrassing. equally, went in a rush visit equally, he went in a rush visit to a cardiff mosque and that was embarrassing. when he left , they embarrassing. when he left, they felt they'd been used, of which they you about they said, i've told you about they said, i've told you about the mosques now wanting the preston mosques now wanting councillors to sign to have him resign and they're going to name which have which which councillors have which haven't. think it shows that haven't. i think it shows that the labour party is full of the corbyn easters, that they thought they'd got rid of. and equally when you talked about that tabling an amendment to the king's they called for a king's speech, they called for a ceasefire . i'd like to ask ceasefire. i'd like them to ask or i'd like people to ask why haven't they also asked for hamas to surrender? there needs to be an equivalence here. there needs to be, you know, both sides need to stop the ceasefire , stop the war. if you really looking for peace. so i'd say and i think it needs to be put on the spot on this sir keir starmer and all those labour mps. why haven't you asked for hamas to surrender a good point. >> and when you hear these marchers saying from the river to sea calling for holy to the sea and calling for holy war jihad, don't hear

war and jihad, you don't hear them that hamas are them saying that hamas are a vile terrorist organisation. >> they're condemning, calling for a ceasefire to stop innocent people being killed, having apparently forgotten that the whole arose when hamas whole issue arose when hamas launched an attack on people in israel. innocent there's no equivalence and killed 1500 of them in the most brutal , brutal them in the most brutal, brutal possible way . no, i them in the most brutal, brutal possible way. no, i think i'm firmly behind the government's line on this . and i think it's line on this. and i think it's a line on this. and i think it's a line that most reasonable people in this country do actually take. so this is a big, big, big problem for keir starmer. i think esther is quite right. the muslim vote is a key and a huge number of those northern constituencies, particularly , constituencies, particularly, and the loss of those could be a real game changer in an election that's shaping up to be quite an interesting one. >> and it's concentrated in scotland, for instance, in the muslim vote is in three glasgow seats which they labour confidently expecting to get. yeah could be bye bye to those seats. >> well you've got to think that sarwar would regard those as seats that he's capable of

pulling back and i think that's going to be really interesting. i think the one thing we kind of draw from this, are two draw from this, there are two things. is the whole things. one is the whole attitude toward current attitude toward the current crisis. the second what crisis. but the second is what this actually mean for this does actually mean for whenever next election whenever the next election happens, next october, next november know. i think november, we don't know. i think it's going to have quite a profound effect . interesting. profound effect. interesting. >> okay. stay there, guys. thank you. other news, sort of you. now, in other news, sort of the former culture secretary, nadine dorries releases her memoir today. called the memoir today. it's called the plot political assassination plot the political assassination of boris johnson. made of boris johnson. she's made several allegations against very high profile members within the conservative party. >> she claims boris johnson called top adviser, called his former top adviser, dominic a nihilist who dominic cummings, a nihilist who he sacked sooner. he should have sacked sooner. >> the now housing >> and the now housing secretary, michael gove for frequently plotted against johnson now prepping kemi johnson and is now prepping kemi badenoch tory leader. badenoch for tory leader. >> also remember , during >> also remember, during lockdown, we were all forced to socially distance matt hancock was having a snog was caught on cctv having a snog . well, doris alleges that hancock secured city cameras were tampered with before cctv footage emerged, emerged of him

kissing an aide. >> so it's quite a lot of claims to get stuck into here. esther mcvey where should we start? because we do know we do know that nadine was devote to boris. >> yes, absolutely . >> yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> it's called the plot. i think it should be called lost the plot. um, you know, anybody thinking this is some sort of serious historic royal tomb, really, it's not going to be. it seems they thought she'd already come to the conclusion and she's worked out the various roles and parts to get to that conclusion . parts to get to that conclusion. there's also lots of people who are anonymous here giving quotes in one way or another. so you know, a great fictional know, she's a great fictional writer, and this, i think, will be another fictional piece. but i look, you i did actually look, if you remember scandal, remember the expenses scandal, i do back a little while ago do go back a little while ago and she'd been writing down on her blog what she'd been doing and her defence at the time. she said her blog was 70% fiction and this was her defence for the for the expense scandal. i rely heavily on poetic license and

frequently replaced one name event fact with another . that's event fact with another. that's what she told the expenses investigation. so she's done exactly the same with this book as she did with her blog. remember, 70% fiction. do you think anyone will buy it? >> steve? will it be a bestseller? >> well, i can only speak for myself and i think i can manage to avoid buying it. >> absolutely. absolutely >> absolutely. absolutely >> so it could be great fun. >> so it could be great fun. >> you check the index, you might be in it. >> well, gosh, i'd be really insulted if i wasn't, to be honest. >> but no, i mean, think >> but no, i mean, i, i think i think as a kind of, you know, something to on christmas something to read on christmas day the fire warm on day and keep the fire warm on boxing be absolutely boxing day would be absolutely terrific. but it is, think terrific. but it is, i think esther summed up. it's esther summed it up. it's a complete work of fiction. it's nonsense. and it's sad in nonsense. and it's very sad in a way, because it's pretty clear that mad nad that boris did put old mad nad onto the peerage list. yes and that sunak said, oh, for goodness sake, is there a limit as to how far we have to fall in this sort of listing these days? and took her off, but always

told nadine that actually she was still on. so she entire nearly blamed sunak and thinks that boris was a great support. we know that boris knew perfectly well that she'd been taken off the list. and in typical boris fashion, didn't tell her. didn't the guts tell her. didn't have the guts to tell her. >> know that's embarrassing. >> i know that's embarrassing. >> i know that's embarrassing. >> women who trust boris johnson. there's quite a of johnson. there's quite a lot of them have probably made regretted is that fair? >> that's fair. >> that's fair. >> i think that's a very fair. >> i think that's a very fair. >> his wives and his >> you can ask his wives and his girlfriends about that, of which i am either. >> i have enough time to >> i don't have enough time to get the list. and get through the whole list. and of boris is coming to of course, boris is coming to this. >> look, does have huge >> look, he does have huge appeal. yes, has appeal. appeal. yes, he has huge appeal. he's great charisma. that's he's got great charisma. that's why people liked him. that's why people put up with people may be put up with his his but you're his failings. but you're quite right, was absolutely right, nadine was absolutely besotted boris . besotted with boris. >> esther, you are >> esther, you. you are a presenter on gb news now, before you were an mp, you were also a tv presenter. and i want to ask you about carol vorderman being kicked off the bbc having kicked off the bbc for having political on social political opinions on social media, but the same rules not apparently applying to gary lineker. you make of it?

lineker. what do you make of it? >> well, now , i do know, carol, >> well, now, i do know, carol, i work for a long, long time ago, a long, long time ago, back in southampton, meridian tv. ago, a long, long time ago, back in southampton, meridian tv . and in southampton, meridian tv. and we did a show together. and i have to say, she was very lovely. i was a junior reporter. she was the host of the show. but she seems to have gone on a journey, doesn't she? she seems to have gone from this really lovely household name half on the telly the time to the telly all the time to somebody seems to very somebody who seems to be very angry. remember was a csar angry. remember she was a csar for cameron. for david cameron. >> was. >> she was. >> she was. >> don't know. did she >> and i don't know. did she think she was going to get into the house of something? the house of lords something? has changed sides, has she now changed sides, hoping to get into the house of lords labour lords through a labour party? the sort of nomination? the labour sort of nomination? not really what's on not really sure what's going on there , but you know, she can't there, but you know, she can't hold those views. her views have been quite shocked when she's working for the state tv, the bbc five, but not if you're on the bbc. >> yes. >> yes. >> and you know, you know, she was working for radio wales and they just found that it wasn't conducive with her job. and she

chose i would sooner be some outspoken critic of the government and she's walked away. >> yeah. you see that's my take on it and her statement did say didn't it, that she won't be silenced and therefore she would walk away. yeah i can relate. what do you think, steve? we've got to go. steve. lovely to see you. >> very good to see you both. >> very good to see you both. >> esther mcvey, thank you both so much. don't go anywhere. we've got a lot

good morning. it's 10:00 good morning. it's10:00 on thursday, the 9th of november. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with bev turner and andrew pierce, braverman blaster met the home secretary. >> she's launched a big attack on the metropolitan police. she says they operate double standards when it comes to policing marches and demonstrators . demonstrators. >> as sir keir starmer's strife, tensions are building within the labour party as more members are expected to quit over their leader's on ceasefire leader's position on a ceasefire in gaza . and how much does it in gaza. and how much does it cost to protect the royal family >> judges will decide whether we are entitled to be told just how much it costs. our royal correspondent cameron walker will more . will have more. >> the guardian argues a secret security bill prevents the pubuc security bill prevents the public knowing the true cost of the monarchy. but the government says that public interest does not outweigh preventing information getting into the hands of would be attackers . the hands of would be attackers. the tribunal here. this tribunal continues here. this morning . morning. >> and binned by the beeb carol

vorderman has left her bbc radio show over the broadcaster's new social media guidelines . carol social media guidelines. carol says she won't be silenced onune says she won't be silenced online whilst the bbc's gary lineker seemingly continues with his political posts . his political posts. is that a double standard ? is that a double standard? >> i think it is. i'm afraid she's low hanging fruit. she's got a show on radio wales that's a very good station, radio wales, but we'll have a very small listening figures compared to gary lineker, who has paid what, £1.5 million or something, the highest paid bloke on the bbc, highest paid person the bbc, highest paid person on the bbc, highest paid person on the bbc, can on. bbc, and he can carry on. remember when they took him off bbc, and he can carry on. reroverjer when they took him off bbc, and he can carry on. rerover the when they took him off bbc, and he can carry on. rerover the tweet hey took him off bbc, and he can carry on. rerover the tweet aboutok him off bbc, and he can carry on. rerover the tweet about the|im off air over the tweet about the government's immigration policy? other presenters withdrew other bbc presenters withdrew their they put them their services. they put them back will dig some of back on. we will dig out some of carol more carol vorderman's more controversial tweets you controversial tweets that you can kind of thing that can see, the kind of thing that she that got her she was saying that got her defenestrated , shall we say, defenestrated, shall we say, from the bbc.

>> we're not quite sure the detail of it. let us know your thoughts this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com. first, though, tatiana sanchez though, here is tatiana sanchez with the . news now . with the. news now. >> thank you very much and good morning. this is the latest from the newsroom. the shadow home secretary says suella bravermans encouraging extremists with the comments she published in an article in the times. the home secretary's accusing the metropolitan police of double standards over their decision to allow pro—palestinian rallies to go ahead on armistice day. liberal democrats leader sir ed davey has called for the prime minister to sack braverman over her claims . minister to sack braverman over her claims. rishi sunak met with the met police commissioner yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable if there trouble. yvette cooper there was trouble. yvette cooper has called for ms braverman to make a statement. >> she is deliberately inflaming community tensions in the most dangerous of ways. she is encouraging extremists on all

sides by attacking the police when she should be backing them . when she should be backing them. it is highly irresponsible and dangerous and no other home secretary would ever have done this . ms this. ms >> gb news understands downing street signed off on the home secretary's comments in the article in the times. our political editor christopher hope has more . hope has more. >> westminster is reeling from overnight comments from suella braverman, the home secretary, saying there was double standards in policing that football fans are treated differently to supporters of black lives matter and other seen as left wing movements . seen as left wing movements. well, i understand that overnight no . ten downing street overnight no. ten downing street did sign off on these remarks from suella braverman. so the question is, does the pm question today is, does the pm have confidence in this home secretary suella braverman? increasingly, tension increasingly, there is tension on the frontbench and the backbench about the comments from braverman . someone from suella braverman. someone say tune with the say they're in tune with the tory grassroots, but others on the of the party are very the left of the party are very concerned right over to the

middle east conflict now and idf soldiers uncovered tunnel shafts and seized weapon caches when they took control of a hamas outpost in northern gaza . outpost in northern gaza. >> they say it took ten hours of fighting to take control of the military stronghold in western jabalya. some 80 countries and international organisations will meet in paris later today to discuss ways of getting humanitarian aid to people in gaza. humanitarian aid to people in gaza . the health authorities gaza. the health authorities from both the palestinian and israeli sides claim over 12,000 people have died in the conflict , with an additional 163 fatalities in the west bank. the foreign secretary is in saudi arabia as part of a diplomatic effort to continue to prevent the middle east crisis spiralling into wider war. he'll hold high level talks with regional counterparts in efforts to avoid escalation and work towards a two state solution an for israel and palestine . back for israel and palestine. back in the uk , a 14 year old boy has in the uk, a 14 year old boy has been charged with murder over

the fatal stabbing of 15 year old alfie lewis . alfie was old alfie lewis. alfie was attacked in the horsforth area of leeds on tuesday afternoon as children were leaving to nearby schools. the 14 year old will appearin schools. the 14 year old will appear in court , also charged appear in court, also charged with possession of a knife . with possession of a knife. alfie's family say he was 1 in 1,000,000 and had the biggest heart . dame priti patel will heart. dame priti patel will give evidence at the covid inquiry today. the former home secretary is likely to face questions about her approach to controlling the border and policing of lockdown rules . dame policing of lockdown rules. dame priti lobbied for stricter border controls in the early stages of the pandemic in an attempt to prevent the virus reaching the uk. but it was overruled . now an indian inquiry overruled. now an indian inquiry into a channel crossing tragedy where at least 27 people died has been launched . the incident has been launched. the incident happened after an inflator migrant boat capsized back in november 2021. an investigation will now take place into the circumstances surrounding the deaths which included a pregnant

woman and three children. it follows the publication of a report by the marine accident investigation branch, which found the boat was wholly unsuitable and ill equipped . new unsuitable and ill equipped. new rules have been unveiled to protect children online, including limiting direct messages and removing them from suggested friends lists. it's part of ofcom's code of practice under the online safety act, which was signed into law a week ago.the which was signed into law a week ago. the largest platforms will be required to put measures in place, including blocking children from being a suggested friend people friend and blocking people outside children's agreed connection ons from direct messages . it focuses on illegal messages. it focuses on illegal material such as grooming, content fraud and child sexual abuse. content fraud and child sexual abuse . find the transport abuse. find the transport secretary says britain will lead the world in the development of self—driving cars. mark harper went on a ride himself in a self—driving car being tested by

an automated driving company. it's after an automated vehicles bill to create a set of laws for using self—driving vehicles was included in the king's speech. the legislation will ensure there's clear legal liability over who is responsible during crashes involving the vehicles . crashes involving the vehicles. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on digital radio tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to andrew and . bev andrew and. bev >> let's see what you've been saying at home. thank you for getting in touch this morning . getting in touch this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address and gosh, you're really getting in touch in your droves about suella braverman paul says suella braverman can win the next general election. >> rishi sunak can't and john says rishi sunak can't sack suella braverman because she'll be going his job. well, be going for his job. well, she's going for it now. >> dan has said, i'm struggling to mine actually this to get mine up actually this morning. always

morning. andrew there's always a tech somewhere. yeah tech issue here somewhere. yeah we a young person to help we need a young person to help us. dan said tories picked the wrong they'd wrong person for pm if they'd picked suella braverman, they may a chance of may have stood half a chance of winning the next general election. funnily we election. and funnily enough, we were that in the were just discussing that in the break whether is break about whether she is sufficiently be sufficiently popular to ever be considered leader. >> think a lot of tories look >> i think a lot of tories look at rishi sunak and think, is he really tory? where are his tory principles? i he is principles? i think he is a tory, he doesn't. perhaps tory, but he doesn't. perhaps articulate his tory philosophy in the way she does. i mean, you're in no doubt about her. she's a hard line tory. >> she is. >> she is. >> and actually, you know the phrase that she said this week about for people being about for some people being homeless is a lifestyle choice caused consternation, caused absolute consternation, particularly the left particularly across the left wing media. she sort of had a point. and what i mean by that is i've heard some homeless charity organisers be asked, is she right? and they said in some instances the minority of cases, there are people who have lived on the streets for many years and don't want a tradition house over their head.

>> there's a very nice chap near green park station by green park in central london and i talk to him often and he's there in his sleeping bag with his sign and people give him money. and i said, what when it's said, what about when it's raining it's cold? this is raining and it's cold? this is my home? he said, exactly. and he obviously got issues, he he's obviously got issues, but does want to be in a hostel. >> no. and i think what she probably should have said is that vast majority of people that the vast majority of people sleeping rough do not want to be there. and it kind of got flipped and was very clumsy. >> we know a lot of them. and we think about it this weekend, armistice day on saturday and remembrance sunday. lot remembrance sunday. a lot of them are servicemen and women. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> sorts mental health >> all sorts of mental health issues, traumatic stress, issues, post traumatic stress, heartbreak, sort of heartbreak, those sort of issues. and i think we've got a minister after minister who looks after veterans. mercer . and minister who looks after vet

>> and also, mel has said this week has planned march is not just about the march itself. the vets will be attending commemoration events. all over london this weekend, just london this weekend, not just the cenotaph on sunday with up to million planned to to a million people planned to attend all the tubes of attend using all the tubes of potential for violence. is there for to see? we really hope for all to see? we really hope not. want is for not. what i don't want is for any police officers be hurt any police officers to be hurt deaung any police officers to be hurt dealing with this. that's really important. her piece in the important. in her piece in the times today, the home secretary does the march goes ahead does say if the march goes ahead this weekend, the public will expect to see an assertive and proactive approach to any displays of hate breaches of conditions and general disorder. >> and obviously , we want it all >> and obviously, we want it all to be peaceful. >> but i still made i made the point yesterday and the prime minister said it, didn't he? if anything kick off, think anything does kick off, i think the constable or the the chief constable or the metropolitan police commissioner, rowley, metropolitan police com be ;sioner, rowley, metropolitan police com be;sioner,trouble. rowley, will be in big trouble. >> right. let us know your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.uk com. so used so suella braverman has used northern a point of northern ireland as a point of comparison she characterised comparison as she characterised pro—palestinian demonstrators as planned on armistice planned for the uk on armistice day. as hate marchers. >> characterised >> home secretary characterised the that

the alleged reports that organisers march organisers of saturday march were hamas as disloyal were linked to hamas as disloyal sobbingly ulster. sobbingly reminiscent of ulster. >> so joining us now is gb news presenter and former first minister of northern ireland, arlene morning, arlene foster. good morning, arlene. see you as arlene. lovely to see you as always. is she right? do you think that these are this is disturbingly reminiscent of ulster ? ulster? >> well , good ulster? >> well, good morning. it's good to be with you both. i think there's a lot of pearl clutching going on about her reference point . she's going on about her reference point. she's made it clear since. and i think she could have been clearer in article have been clearer in the article that she honest about that. but she has said and let it be known that was referring that she was referring to dissident republicans and, of course, dissident republicans, whether they march. are very clearly on a hate march because they want to get rid of people like me who are british, living in northern ireland. so if she had have been clearer in relation to that, i think it would have been more helpful. but i do think there's an overall reaction to what suella had to say, not just in relation to northern ireland, but of course to the

course in relation to the policing of the parade which is happening on saturday. >> what about in in belfast, arlene? are they having a bit is there a big propane mark steyn march on saturday or sunday? >> well , there's certainly a >> well, there's certainly a planned pro—palestine march on saturday and i have to say i am very concerned about it because it's not only happening at the city hall where our war memorial hall is currently is placed, but it's also taking place at 11:00. so it's taking place at the time of armistice beside the war memorial. and i would be concerned in relation to that. last week they had a large pro—palestine march. they went to the us consulate in belfast and this week they're deciding to go to city hall and you have to go to city hall and you have to ask the question why city hall? why could you not go somewhere else? but there are very clearly targeting armistice and that's why they're having the march at 11:00 and armistice day, we think should be sacred.

>> but you know better than anybody, eileen, what happened in northern ireland at enniskillen back 1987, was it enniskillen back in 1987, was it 11 people killed, dozens injured when the ira set off bombs as people were paying their respects to the fallen . respects to the fallen. >> well, yes, it's always a very sombre day in northern ireland, and particularly in enniskillen, when we're always drawn back to 1987, when that horrendous action took place . and action took place. and therefore, for us, it's a very special day. and i think the fact that pro—palestine marches are having their parade in belfast beside the war memorial at 11:00 on armistice day is actually being very provocative. they could have had the parade in the afternoon . they could in the afternoon. they could have had it in a different place. but they've decided to have it at that place at that particular point in time. >> why has the chief constable there been under pressure to do to stop at to intervene, to stop it, or at least persuade them to move it to a different time? arlene >> well, we of course, in northern ireland have a parades

commission . they deal with these commission. they deal with these sorts of events and they will make recommendations around that. but let's be honest, i hear people talking about politics and policing . i mean, politics and policing. i mean, sadiq khan apparently was on criticising the home secretary this morning about political policing . this is a man who so policing. this is a man who so intervened with the last chief constable in london that she left her job and felt intimidated as a result of it. so let's be let's be, you know, evenhanded in relation to all of this. what suella braverman is saying is that she wants the chief constable to be evenhanded at the weekend. i don't think that's an outrageous thing to say. i think that is absolutely what we want to see happening . what we want to see happening. and like one of your email respondents , i have to say i am respondents, i have to say i am concerned not just about the parade, but actually people, veterans travelling around london on saturday and on sunday because people will be using the tubes and there needs to be police presence on the tubes and indeed on the streets of london indeed on the streets of london

in a very visible way. >> okay. all right. thank you , >> okay. all right. thank you, arlene. thanks so much . it's arlene. thanks so much. it's really interesting, isn't it, what suella braverman has basically said in this in this article, she says, right wing protesters who engage in aggression are rightly met with aggression are rightly met with a stern response. yet pro—palestinian mobs displaying almost identical behaviour are largely ignored, even when clearly breaking the law . she clearly breaking the law. she calls it a double standard. how fascinating that she's got number 10 to sign off on this as an article, but this very inflammatory. >> but what the prime minister does, he uses her as his attack dog and she gets the flak or she gets the brickbat, the praise and he stays above the fray. >> it's not the they often do it like you may have. he often i don't have to sign you off sign you sign you off sign you off, sign myself off on sick at the moment. >> but but. but i think, you know, you and i agree about the march. >> i do not like banning. and i really thought the organisers should have done the decent

thing and cancelled it and moved it different time. i hate it to a different time. i hate the fact that older veterans will not into central will not come into central london saturday because london on saturday because they fear prevent fear the march could prevent them doing marking , enjoying the them doing marking, enjoying the 1111 and absolute and i change my opinion on monday morning. >> you'll have to watch next week to see if i feel differently by next week. but anyway. right. change of gear. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> carol vorderman has quit, but i she was pushed from her i think she was pushed from her weekly bbc radio wales show because of her attacks on the tories. that's right. >> she will not be >> she said she will not be silenced corporation's silenced by the corporation's new media guidelines, new social media guidelines, which updated recently which have been updated recently after high profile people like gary lineker attacked the government. >> and guess what? he's still there. >> well, carol, is, of course, well known for her critical tweets about the government. let's have a look at a couple of them. here we go. she says johnny mercer and his wife are the most petulant, childish pair of the week . minister tweeting of the week. a minister tweeting out emojis, not knowing out vomit emojis, not knowing bafic out vomit emojis, not knowing basic political facts on bbc question time. now he's switched off replies on twitter. he gets

paid £110,000 plus pays her £45,000 on top, yet criticises the military use of foodbanks. oh yeah and she says also the tory government has now lost around half of those who voted for them in 2019. >> why? because there are lying bunch of greedy, corrupt , bunch of greedy, corrupt, destructive, hateful, divisive, gaslighting crooks. no need for a focus group . sunak. i'll just a focus group. sunak. i'll just tell you the same . how could she tell you the same. how could she carry tell you the same. how could she car|i do hope somebody clips that >> i do hope somebody clips that and it clear that and don't make it clear that andrew quoting carol andrew pierce is quoting carol vorderman because to hear vorderman there, because to hear those coming out of your those words coming out of your mouth, tory, boy, it quite mouth, tory, boy, it was quite something. that what that was. >> what a so called bbc impartial presenter said about the also said that the tories. she also said that suella braverman is the worst of us. there many, many more. us. there are many, many more. yeah, there are. >> so let's speak to former bbc correspondent good correspondent michael cole. good morning, have morning, michael. you have worked institution . worked for this institution. anne, how different was it when you were there in terms of what you were there in terms of what you could and couldn't say publicly and have they gone too far now ? far now? >> very good question . good >> very good question. good morning to you both . the first

morning to you both. the first question must be who knew she had programme on bbc wales. them from time to time . did the from time to time. did the people of wales know so if the purpose was to advertise the fact that she is on bbc wales not abc wales, well that succeeded. now i worked for the bbc for more 20 years. that's a distance if you're on television, it's the most tremendous privilege to be able to address the nation . and when to address the nation. and when i was there, it was quite simple. i filed literally thousands of stories . i never thousands of stories. i never once expressed a personal opinion, and i covered six general elections . of course, general elections. of course, i had opinions. i express them at the ballot box when you were in the ballot box when you were in the bbc, you were not allowed to stand for an elective office above the level of parish

councillor and that was a good thing because impartiality was important, particularly for the national broadcaster . and when national broadcaster. and when i see this happening, i deplore it. i really do deplore it. and with regard to gary lineker, who is the most prominent case in this particular story , i mean, this particular story, i mean, he was an articulate footballer . he was an articulate footballer. he was probably a good goal hangen he was probably a good goal hanger. the bbc made him they took time to create what is now the highest paid person in the bbc. and there are 22,000 people on whatever the sum of money is. it's a huge sum of money. we the bbc used to create stars. it can do it again. it should never be in thrall to any single person or its purpose is finished and interesting you say that, michael, because of course you will recall they took him off

lineker off of match of the day, a programme i only watched when he wasn't on doing the commentary because i wanted to see how well performed . see how well it performed. >> of other bbc presenters >> a lot of other bbc presenters then downed tools. they effectively went strike. effectively went on strike. the bbc panicked and put him back on air. that's because he has that sort power and you're right, sort of power and you're right, the bbc, were he completely dictated to the bbc in a way that carol vorderman simply hasn't got the clout to do it. now that's that's absolutely true . true. >> i mean, those other form of footballers who are also on this programme, they really couldn't do it . they had to suck up to do it. they had to suck up to him whatever they thought about what saying, they had what he was saying, they had to do else they would do it or else they would have looked bad. you're looked rather bad. but you're absolutely right. it's a case of being pusillanimous. the bbc hasn't got the guts. they could go out and find any number of people to fill that role if they saw it through, but they weren't prepared to stick it out and do that. and i think in any organised nation, you know, isn't that the first rule of football? nobody is more

important than the team. it's the team important and the team that's important and it's integrity of the it's the integrity of the organisation . an and if that is organisation. an and if that is ever compromised this person ever compromised by this person or person sounding off or that person sounding off their personal views , i think it their personal views, i think it diminishes the whole purpose of having a public service . having a public service. >> broadcaster okay. thank you, michael. always good as usual . michael. always good as usual. michael. always good as usual. michael cole there. now, up next, our babies. the key to saving our economy. the conservative mp, miriam cates thinks so and she will be with us shortly. she did this interview on bbc yesterday and the bbc made a total hash of it. we will hopefully do it differently . this is gb news. we differently. this is gb news. we do things differently in do do things differently in britain's

the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . 1025. >> it's britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce. i'm bev turner. >> so the uk fertility rate has fallen to a new low and there are warnings from a conservative mp that if fertility rates don't rise , we're going to face rise, we're going to face economic stagnation and that mp is with us now. >> the tory for penistone and >> the tory mp for penistone and stocksbridge, miriam cates. miriam, morning to you. why isn't country already isn't the country already overcrowded? no room in our schools, no houses . don't we schools, no houses. don't we need the birth rate to fall a bit ? bit? >> well, there are certainly pressure on our public services and pressure on housing. that's true. but of course that doesn't necessarily mean we're overcrowded. it just means that we don't have necessary supply of various things. but having babies is not really about

overpopulation, because what we want is a stable demographic. so we want as many babies to be born as there are 50 year olds, so that when 50 year olds reach retirement, the babies have entered the workplace, are paying entered the workplace, are paying taxes, are part of the labour are helping to labour market, are helping to care the elderly. that's care for the elderly. that's about population stability, rather than population growth. so the problem we've got at the moment that not birth gap. moment is that not a birth gap. so we've got few babies so we've got too few babies being born in to support the elderly . by time those being born in to support the elderly. by time those babies become adults. and this is actually a signal economic threat because in the 1970s, when we did have enough babies just about to replace those who died, we had four working age adults for each pensioner. now we're now on three working age adults for each pensioner and will soon be down to two. and if you think taxes are high now, if you think taxes are high now, if you think taxes are high now, if you think there's a shortage of elderly carers for elderly people you seen nothing people now you have seen nothing yet and is because the yet and that is because the birthrate fallen much. birthrate has fallen so much. now, other countries in the world experiencing

world are also experiencing this. it's a problem across the west, but in countries west, but in other countries they're about it . they're talking about it. governments to think governments are trying to think what they can do about it. now, i'm saying they have the i'm not saying they have the answer. denmark, for example, has campaign do it has got a campaign called do it for doesn't seem to be for denmark. doesn't seem to be working, but at least they're taking the issue seriously. but somehow in britain, we just don't talk about this. don't want to talk about this. we're squeamish. so i'm we're too squeamish. so i'm really trying to get it on the agenda. talk about what it means for perhaps for our economy, but perhaps even what it even more importantly, what it means the 92% of young women means for the 92% of young women who want become mothers, means for the 92% of young women wh

children. but actually, what miriam is at pains point out miriam is at pains to point out is that according to their research , which 90 did she say? research, which 90 did she say? 96% to 92. thank you. of young women. hello, miriam . i think women. hello, miriam. i think you've come back. i was just pointing out that the myth around this is that women don't want have babies . they're want to have babies. they're choosing that's not choosing careers. that's not what the research is proving, is it? 92% of young women want to have at least two children, but they're only having 1.2. why then, miriam, why is this happening? >> well, that's a very good question. and that's what we tried to dig into in our poll. so there are various things mentioned. the most popular thing you mentioned was household finances . so people household finances. so people not earning enough, paying too much tax , housing being too much tax, housing being too expensive, childcare , all those expensive, childcare, all those kind of things. so talking about the impact on their finances, just over half mentioned impact on career. that's obviously important . on career. that's obviously important. but what was really interesting was that about three quarters of young women said that britain's view of motherhood just isn't very good.

didn't seem a very appealing prospect. we don't seem to celebrate motherhood. and if you think about how the media and politicians and the newspapers often talk about motherhood, it's very much drudgery. it's second best. it's not as good as a career. women need to get back into the workplace. how are you going to juggle everything, all these kind of it's very these kind of things? it's very negative. young women negative. and so young women understand we don't think it's appealing. but what was the most i >> -- >> sorry, i 5mm hum >> sorry, i just want to just push back a little bit on that because isn't the solution to motherhood not being appealing to make fatherhood more appealing as well? so that we share the responsibility of parenting, which all sorts of research proves that actually dads who can spend more time with their children to share that burden more equally. dads also like that balance . also like that balance. >> well, that's absolutely true . >> well, that's absolutely true. and lack of a suitable partner was again, one of the most frequent things mentioned by women. but i don't think it's only that, of course we want to promote fatherhood, but we also

want promote motherhood and want to promote motherhood and make seem like something that make it seem like something that society values. and unfortunately, i just think too much of the time that's not the message that hear. but message that that we hear. but yes, should be promoting yes, we should be promoting both motherhood and fatherhood. and what do next is what i'd love to do next is to do a similar of young men do a similar survey of young men and out young men's and find out young men's attitude that be very attitude. and that will be very revealing. i think one of revealing. but i think one of the most interesting parts of the most interesting parts of the research and something that we relatively we could fix relatively easily was about knowledge and awareness fertility . and 69% awareness of fertility. and 69% of young women thought that it was fine to wait until 35 to start to plan a family. now, unfortunately, the facts of female fertility , we make it female fertility, we make it clear that actually if you're not a mother by the age of 35, sadly, you've probably only got about a 1 in 4 chance of becoming a mother. two thirds of the women in our survey didn't know that. and that's something that potentially easier to fix through education and awareness, although of course, we've also got barriers out of got to get the barriers out of the way. but that was a very surprising result . surprising result. >> can we ask you before we let

you go, miriam suella braverman is being criticised by the labour party emergency question in the commons after said in in the commons after she said in her view, the police at the top are biased against a biased in favour of the pro—palestinian marches. do you agree with her? >> yes, i do, and i think there's been a lot of criticism of the police in terms of how they police black lives matter, how they believe covid protests . how they believe covid protests. and we know that there are issues with politicisation of the police. and so i think it is fair enough for the home secretary to ask whether if these were pro—israel and anti palestine demonstrations where people were going to be calling for harm to be done to palestinians, would the police ban them? we don't know, but it doesit ban them? we don't know, but it does it does seem to be some two tier policing going on in this country. i think she's right tier policing going on in this co callr. i think she's right tier policing going on in this co callr. out. think she's right tier policing going on in this co callr. out. andik she's right tier policing going on in this co callr. out. and also, 's right tier policing going on in this co callr. out. and also, if right tier policing going on in this co callr. out. and also, if yout to call it out. and also, if you look at polling, whilst , of look at the polling, whilst, of course, are split on this course, people are split on this issue, people think issue, far more people think these be banned these protests should be banned on remembrance day, then don't. so expressing a very

so she's expressing a very mainstream view, even if it's distasteful to the westminster bubble. >> okay, interesting . >> okay, interesting. >> okay, interesting. >> brilliant. straight forward, full of common sense as normal. marion cates, thank you so much for joining this marion cates, thank you so much forjoining this morning. forjoining us this morning. >> interesting. she's she's >> so interesting. she's she's always interesting. >> on the line. rishi >> now job on the line. rishi sunak sir mark dodi, sunak has warned sir mark dodi, the police chief, the metropolitan police chief, he will take the blame if the protests do turn ugly at the weekend. >> and labour chaos. keir starmer is fighting to control his party as shadow ministers are rumoured to be set to quit. that and much more after your morning's . that and much more after your morning's. news >> beth thank you very much. 1032 this is the latest from the newsroom . the shadow home newsroom. the shadow home secretary is accused suella braverman of encouraging extremists with comments published in an article for the times in the piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestinian rallies to go ahead on armistice day. liberal

democrat leader sir ed davey is calling for the prime minister to sack mrs. braverman over her claims . to sack mrs. braverman over her claims. rishi to sack mrs. braverman over her claims . rishi sunak met with the claims. rishi sunak met with the police commissioner yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable . yvette rowley accountable. yvette cooper calling for suella cooper is calling for suella braverman to make statement. braverman to make a statement. >> she is deliberately inflaming community tensions in the most dangerous of ways. she is encouraging extremists on all sides is attacking the police. when she should be backing them . when she should be backing them. it is highly irresponsible and dangerous and no other home secretary would ever have done this . this. >> this idf soldiers uncovered tunnel shafts and seized weapon caches as they took control of a hamas outpost in northern gaza. they say it took ten hours of fighting to take control of the military stronghold in western jabalya. some 80 countries and international organisations will meet in paris later today to discuss ways of getting

humanitarian aid to people in gaza. health authorities from both the palestinian and israeli sides claim over 12,000 people have died in the conflict . the have died in the conflict. the foreign secretaries in saudi arabia , as part of a diplomatic arabia, as part of a diplomatic effort to continue to prevent the middle east crisis spiralling into wider war. he'll hold high level talks with regional counterparts in efforts to avoid escalation and work towards a two state solution for israel and palestine . a 14 year israel and palestine. a 14 year old boy has been charged with murder over the fatal stabbing of 15 year old alfie lewis . of 15 year old alfie lewis. alfie was attacked in the horsforth area of leeds on tuesday afternoon as children were leaving to nearby schools. the 14 year old will appear in court. also charged with possession of a knife . alfie's possession of a knife. alfie's family say he was 1 in 1,000,000 and he had the biggest heart. for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website, dot gbnews.com . for

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from three on gb news is . 1039 from three on gb news is. 1039 with britain's newsroom and gb news with andrew pearson bev turner. >> now rishi sunak has warned the met chief mark rowley, that rolly, , rolly or rolly, rolly rolly, rolly or hopeless . hopeless. >> why don't we just call him hopeless ? hopeless? >> you will take the blame if this weekend's protests protest turned violent . so let's talk turned violent. so let's talk about that now with political editor of daily express, sam editor of the daily express, sam lister, broadcaster and lister, and broadcaster and journalist malone. journalist carole malone. >> page, with >> on your front page, sam, with your by—line. >> on your front page, sam, with youthere.ine. >> on your front page, sam, with youthere ite. >> on your front page, sam, with youthere it is. >> there it is. >> there it is. >> it will be mark rowley >> and it will be mark rowley because he'll be having a row on monday morning. if this all goes wrong. i mean, it's stakes

wrong. i mean, it's high stakes for, met for, for, for the met chief because said that because essentially he said that the bar has not been met for the necessary evidence to call this protest to a halt . protest to a halt. >> but rishi sunak summoned him into number 10 yesterday. he warned him if this goes wrong, it's on your head. be it. >> if it goes wrong, he should be fired. >> yes, completely. >> yes, completely. >> yeah, i suspect that wouldn't happen, though. no that should happen, though. no that should happen anymore. >> does it? nobody gets fired anymore, you know. >> i think a lot of people >> but i think a lot of people are very nervous at this are very, very nervous at this weekend. it really could turn into a very nasty of into a very nasty weekend of violence and that a lot of mps are actually very fearful themselves of actually sending these ceremonies up and down the country , let alone obviously, country, let alone obviously, the which is where the london one, which is where most the focus so i think most of the focus is. so i think people are very, very scared actually, could be actually, that this could be a very, very bad week. >> i wonder how many jewish people dare dare to people would dare will dare to come central london on come into central london on saturday, jewish people saturday, not only jewish people now stories now there's veterans stories in the vets, all those the papers there vets, all those elderly poppy sellers, those people who their for people who give their time for free, turn out in all

weathers. >> they are now being intimidate and bullied and abused. but, you know, the thing thing about rowley i think rowley now, i mean, i think i think made decision on think he's made this decision on the that he he's terrified the basis that he he's terrified to cancel this march because he knows that if people march into london anyway, he has a force that will not be able to handle it. i think he's scared. i don't think the force is up to handung think the force is up to handling it. can you remember the last time they had to wade in to protest? i can't. and i think he's terrified of the opfics think he's terrified of the optics of it. what looks like optics of it. what it looks like cops into a supposed cops wading into a supposed peace but the thing that peace march. but the thing that really gets me about all of this, we have we have a couple of weeks in the year this week, particularly, ends this particularly, which ends this weekend devoted to weekend that is devoted to honounng weekend that is devoted to honouring our war dead and give us that time to do that. you know, this is not about palestine's war dead this week. it's not about israel's war dead. it's about our war dead people who've died in the world wars, the people who died in recent know, in recent wars, you know, in afghanistan in ireland, afghanistan and in ireland, whoever, i it's really

whoever, and i think it's really shocking rishi actually shocking. and rishi actually said, words? he said, what was rishi's words? he said, what was rishi's words? he said, protest said, the planned protest offends heartfelt gratitude offends our heartfelt gratitude to of those who so to memory of those who gave so much because know what's much because you know what's going they going to happen if they do attack cenotaph, there's attack the cenotaph, if there's any sunday, which any trouble that sunday, which is supposed to be that saturday and which is supposed to and sunday, which is supposed to be about quiet reflection, ian and to be all and thanks. it's going to be all about the protesters trying to damage and damage the cenotaph. and i really them taking really resent them taking attention from all it. attention away from all of it. and poppy sellers are not and also, poppy sellers are not going into the streets now at the weekend because they're terrified. so that the terrified. so that means the money that british legion money that the british legion raises year, which was £42 raises every year, which was £42 million, we're just sharing that picture charing cross picture on charing cross station. where the station. this is where the one was one elderly was one of the one elderly person punched one of these places. >> how bewildered the poppy >> look how bewildered the poppy sellers. if you listen on the radio, this is charing cross station. they are surrounded. the sellers are all the poppy sellers are all elderly. they're completely bewildered. know bewildered. they don't know what's going on and they can't do it. then they weren't do it. and then they weren't there. then they they vanished. >> and funds are going to >> and pierce funds are going to go this year it was go down this year like it was last year. it was 42 million. i'd be amazed it's that much

i'd be amazed if it's that much this shame on them, this year. shame on them, because that's to help vets past and present. >> shouldn't as well >> we shouldn't forget as well how many muslim people in how many muslim people died in the world fighting the second world war fighting on ouryeah, and is >> yeah, and this is a commemoration for them, for everybody. such a great everybody. and it's such a great shame, carol that this shame, as carol says, that this the is being taken the attention is being taken away from this weekend away from what this weekend should i think it should be about. and i think it i mean it has the potential to really long lasting really have long lasting damaging impact on this country and relations in this country between different communities, different faiths. i think it's really ill advised. i think the met and downing street have made it clear that they really want the organisers to call it off. i think we're too far down the line for that. >> we're going to go slowly. >> we're going to go slowly. >> really won't have a shred of credibility left if this if this all goes wrong. this is the guy who came into this job just over a year saying he was going a year ago saying he was going to change the force root and branch. he was going to get back to fashioned he's to old fashioned policing. he's not running like not he's running scared like everyone before him has. and i mean, you talk about when they get involved in march, look at

how behave. get involved in march, look at hovthe behave. get involved in march, look at hovthe police, le. get involved in march, look at hovthe police, when the women >> the police, when the women were for sarah were the vigil for sarah everard, heavy everard, appalling. heavy handed. clumsy. yes >> it was real low point in >> it was a real low point in the met police's history. i think that because you have it still the still emblazoned on my mind the image these big, burly police image of these big, burly police officers up, but very officers lifting up, but very petite girl. you just think petite girl. and you just think actually , you know, that really actually, you know, that really was memory that kind of stuck was a memory that kind of stuck in my mind. and then you see obviously what's happening with people who are covering their obviously what's happening with peopin who are covering their obviously what's happening with peopin maskse covering their obviously what's happening with peopin masks at overing their obviously what's happening with peopin masks at theseg their face in masks at these pro—palestine protests. is pro—palestine protests. that is not supposed to happen. they are not supposed to happen. they are not supposed to cover their faces. they're not supposed to wear masks, yet they are. and i think, you know, you see that contrast. obviously, we've had this quite explosive comment piece from suella braverman this morning in the times making these points that within the party has gone down well, it's gone down very badly , even among gone down very badly, even among some on the right. gone down very badly, even among some on the right . there gone down very badly, even among some on the right. there are people who do think she is right to have done what she's done. but there are many on the right of the party who think, well, the sentiments are accurate. the

tone the way she has done tone and the way she has done it. >> but again, sam, you know, the right thing to do. isn't that the problem now with government and the cops? it's all about image. it's all about how it comes across. it's not about sorting out the problem. the problem this is let us problem this weekend is let us let our war dead. let us let us on our war dead. and we're not going to be able to. as you say, covering to. and as you say, covering their faces means intent their faces means their intent on causing bother and cops on causing bother and the cops haven't. they've haven't. you know why they've arrested people have arrested some people who have caused bother at these marches. arrested some people who have callike bother at these marches. arrested some people who have callike to ther at these marches. arrested some people who have callike to knowt these marches. arrested some people who have callike to know how se marches. arrested some people who have callike to know howse maihave i'd like to know how many have been charged how many are been charged and how many are going appear in court, going to appear in court, because bet very many. because i'll bet not very many. and many don't want to and how many don't want to offend? >> wonder how many were >> i wonder how many were arrested language arrested over the language they were from to river the were using from the to river the sea, talking about holy war, jihad. know. jihad. we don't know. >> is what suella. >> this is what she says she's getting their hate filled marches. and, you know, you have people saying, no, they're not that am the that peaceful. i am sure the majority this majority of the people on this march peaceful. but march will be peaceful. but there a minority who is there is a minority who is intent on causing trouble and they our weekend. they will destroy our weekend. >> never talk do >> and they never talk about, do they, condemning hamas and give

>> and they never talk about, do theyourndemning hamas and give >> and they never talk about, do theyour hostage.g hamas and give >> and they never talk about, do theyour hostage. let's1as and give >> and they never talk about, do theyour hostage. let's have1d give >> and they never talk about, do theyour hostage. let's have ourive us your hostage. let's have our hostages back. >> and it's and it's very interesting, actually, even those of the labour those on the left of the labour party, know the people party, we know the people involved. know, john involved. you know, john mcdonnell and those cabal, they always, always talk about , oh, always, always talk about, oh, we don't see violence from any side. it's always both sides . side. it's always both sides. there's both sides that which is just a very weasel way of failing to actually condemn hamas for these hacks. >> how much trouble is starmer in? >> because we've got this motion, the amendment to the king's speech next week. i can't recall that ever happening before calling for a ceasefire we've seen one member of the shadow cabinet i shadow cabinet resigning. i think have your think it might have been your paper saying would have paper today saying it would have been he'd carried on. been sacked if he'd carried on. is he lot of trouble? is he in a lot of trouble? >> i think stage it's >> i think at this stage it's actually not playing too badly for him because he is, for once, he's sticking to his guns , you he's sticking to his guns, you know, flip flop as the tories like to call him, has actually picked and he stuck picked a position and he stuck to and he's so it makes him to it and he's so it makes him look a little bit tough for once. the problem is for him, if it then escalates and

it suddenly then escalates and you get , say, ten of you suddenly get, say, ten of his frontbench quitting on a matter of principle. but then you like look back at you have to like look back at the corbyn era. i mean, i think i remember. i think it's i can't remember. i think it's 80% his his frontbench team 80% of his his frontbench team quit , but not starmer. quit, but not starmer. >> they're not starmer . he >> they're not starmer. he stayed on. he stayed on with that horrible marxist. >> did. it's , it's interesting. >> the people who were around with corbyn at that time have been quiet the past been very quiet over the past two years starmer took two years since starmer took over and suddenly they've reared their again their ugly heads again because they is they realise the climate is right. realise that right. they realise that their vile actually going to vile views are actually going to be listened to. currently and those views are they're creating anti—semitism on our streets and it scares me. and you're right, if you're jewish in this city, any city currently, you can't you know, london will be a no go area on saturday. >> but do you think it should be banned completely, carol, i'm just sitting here listening. >> do you think it should just be shouldn't be allowed to be they shouldn't be allowed to march anyway. march because they will anyway. >> weekend, they will anyway. >> they'll turn up in their million. >> they'll turn up. it won't

matter if they will say they should or shouldn't. >> but what's what i'm saying, that's why i think they've let it because the cops it go ahead, because the cops know can't anything. know they can't stop anything. they the they know they don't have the manpower. it's even the manpower. maybe it's even the quality i don't quality of the cops. i don't know. you know, i don't see cops wading into a so called peace protest level. protest on on any level. >> isn't because we >> but isn't that because we have western liberal democracy have a western liberal democracy where majority where the vast majority of people so people who protest do so peacefully? like thought that peacefully? like i thought that was when carol said was interesting when carol said she remember the last she doesn't remember the last time seen going in with time she seen them going in with batons. we're not allowed to batons. and we're not allowed to use the cannons, we, use the water cannons, are we, that may very that that boris may very expensive cannons. we expensive water cannons. so we have operate within the rules have to operate within the rules of this country sam which are that you have the freedom to protest. >> i mean this is actually there are many in the within the conservative party who say, look, this is what world war ii was this is this is was all about. this is this is what rishi sunak says today. >> winston churchill's grandson, nicholas soames mp, he was saying nicholas soames mp, he was say i |g nicholas soames mp, he was sayi think so. there is >> i think so. there is definitely a big strand of the conservative party who think actually what war actually that was what world war ii it was about ii was about. it was about fighting it was about

fighting fascism. it was about this country's people in this country's right. people in this country's right. people in this to protest this country's right to protest about that we might not about things that we might not agree that is agree with. you know, that is the point. but that's the the whole point. but that's the general rule, though, it? general rule, though, isn't it? >> just talking about >> but we're just talking about one weekend, it's not one weekend, one time. it's not about history. not about about history. it's not about our it's about one our democracy. it's about one weekend honouring who weekend of honouring people who died country . died for this country. >> it's such a shame >> i think it's such a shame that the organisers get that the organisers didn't get together and say actually , when together and say actually, when we it out, we're going to we pull it out, we're going to call because we can do it call it off because we can do it next weekend. next weekend and the weekend. >> done every day >> they've done it every day since almost every rail since then in almost every rail station the country. station in the country. >> here's another >> and here's another interesting point, sarah. i made this mail this point in the mail yesterday. many women yesterday. why do so many women march taking in this march for taking part in this march? you consider march? i mean, when you consider what's happen with hamas, hamas, which respect which does not exactly respect women's rights, is it? no, it's an organisation segregates women at home. and yet we've got all these women marching for palestine and yet it's hamas who started this. >> yeah, i mean, find that >> yeah, i mean, i find that personally baffling because this >> yeah, i mean, i find that pe not1ally baffling because this >> yeah, i mean, i find that pe not ally baffling because this >> yeah, i mean, i find that penot a regime ing because this >> yeah, i mean, i find that penot a regime that)ecause this >> yeah, i mean, i find that penot a regime that is:ause this >> yeah, i mean, i find that penot a regime that is tolerants is not a regime that is tolerant of women in any way enhanced of women or in any way enhanced the life of the women that live there. >> so women commonly take part in marches, though, don't

they? >> wasn't it you, carol, who went to the cnd were we talking about years decades about years ago? yes, decades ago. say that it ago. so they would say that it actually is no different there are more women because we feel for families and the for the families and the children . children. >> but i think this is different. it's interesting. there was there was a lady on her show i was doing yesterday and was a mum and her show i was doing yesterday and a was a mum and her show i was doing yesterday and a very was a mum and her show i was doing yesterday and a very reasonable,num and she's a very reasonable, rational lady. and she said, you know, i'm going on this march on saturday to teach saturday because i want to teach my about genocide. and my kids about genocide. and i said, about genocide said, what about the genocide that 80 years ago with that happened 80 years ago with the the nazis? and she the with the nazis? and she said, that is well, said, well, yes, that is well, that well, that's most that is well, that's the most important thing this weekend. so, you're to so, you know, if you're going to talk genocide, a lot talk about genocide, but a lot of who are, you know, who of people who are, you know, who are going to protest for palestine, they're conveniently not hamas not mentioning the hamas october, attack. october, the seventh attack. i know that didn't happen. >> they've made it >> and carol, they've made it quite hamas, if there was quite clear hamas, if there was a ceasefire, that they would regroup would regroup and they would do another and another october 7th. and they are releasing hostages. are not releasing the hostages. they haven't released any. well, they've about four. they've released about four. >> are the >> but you know what are the people march expect to

people on this march expect to us can't call a us do? we can't call a ceasefire. we can't can ask ceasefire. we can't we can ask for it, but we can't call it. we think netanyahu's going to listen to us. >> i really want to bring this story it's story because i think it's a really interesting debate. this is bulger. so the is about james bulger. so the family to sit in on the family wants to sit in on the parole hearing and they're not being allowed they, sam? being allowed to, are they, sam? >> you can i mean, you >> no, and you can i mean, you know, poor bulger family, know, the poor bulger family, this know, this this is i mean, you know, this has been decades of pain and misery for denise denise misery for denise and denise ferguson and the family more widely, every time widely, you think how every time you know, there is a parole hearing, this brings everything back. back the press back. it brings back the press attention it's lives attention. an it's their lives have never able to really, have never been able to really, truly on from now truly move on from this. now dominic raab, he was just a dominic raab, when he was just a justice secretary, he made this decision to open up parole heanngs decision to open up parole hearings because they'd always been traditionally very secretive victims secretive processes, victims felt very, very frustrated that they no ability to take they had no real ability to take part. so he made this decision to really go into this kind of more public process. but the problem is the parole board itself has still has a huge say

in who can go in and who can say what when. yeah. and they've decided that the family cannot. this is john venables. >> the reason that they've given for deciding this is farcical. they've said they've done it to protect the mental health of the killer. john venables you know, i covered this trial and venables was ten at the time. i think. and i remember looking at that boy and, and i mean , it that boy and, and i mean, it sounds crazy to say a child was the face of evil, but he was robert thompson. no, but venables was. and even even having served their prison sentence, they got out in 2001. venables has re—offended four times, and it's mostly child porn offences. and what? what? denise fergus is saying is she wants the public made aware of what a danger he is to children. now you know, in the court case, i remember we maybe the public should have been made aware, but the full details of what these boys did to james bulger were not released on the basis that it was so vile and maybe if the

pubuc it was so vile and maybe if the public knew they they would they would be much less sympathy btec to stuff like much less accepting of this because venables has been let out four separate times and regaled four times because he's still doing the same stuff, not killing people. but but the porn stuff that happened all those years ago and she just wants people to know and she has every right to do that. >> yeah. and the other lad, of course, completely rebuilt course, he's completely rebuilt his yeah completely. >> and never heard word from >> and never heard a word from him and robert thompson . yeah. him and robert thompson. yeah. and that's it and that's and that's how it should know that is what should be. you know that is what everybody would hope would happen. clearly happen. but clearly in this case, it hasn't happened. and i think an interesting think what is an interesting point the family make is point that the family make is that actually he knows that actually he he knows where they knows they they live. he knows who they are. he where their son's are. he knows where their son's grave they don't grave is. they don't know anything him . if he if he anything about him. if he if he is released, they will never know where he is. >> no, he'll giving a secret >> no, he'll be giving a secret address. secret and a address. secret and probably a new identity. yeah. >> you know what he's had >> do you know what he's had about different identities about four different identities already. multi—millions have already. and multi—millions have been. at been. you know, i remember at the covering this the time we were covering this after were put in jail

after they were put in jail where they weren't put a where they weren't put in a jail, a secure jail, they were put in a secure unit. they had you know, they had quite a nice life in that unit. theatre outings, football outings, million spent. >> we need to move on. >> we need to move on. >> need to move on. thanks >> we need to move on. thanks ladies. still to come, we're going to have a change of tone. m&s recorded spike in m&s has recorded a huge spike in its isn't this great its profits. isn't this great news? due to a boost in news? yeah. due to a boost in sales, the return of the sales, is this the return of the high street? we're going to be debating next. where debating that next. where gb gb news britain's channel. news britain's news channel. hello again. >> alex burkill here with >> it's alex burkill here with your weather your latest gb news weather forecast. a day of sunshine and showers with a chilly showers for many with a chilly feel as well. at the feel in the wind as well. at the moment there's an area of low pressure just to the north—west of the uk and that is bringing some brisk winds and also that showery many places . showery theme to many places. the westerly mean it's the westerly winds mean it's towards the west where we'll see the heaviest and most frequent showers, some hail, some thunder mixed in. meanwhile, towards the east, greater chance of east, a greater chance of staying a showers staying dry, but a few showers filtering there will be filtering in here. there will be some breaks around. the some sunny breaks around. the best across northern best of these across northern parts of scotland. but it is going to be a chilly feel to

things. highs of around 8 or 9 in the north, 11 or 12 further south as we go through this evening and overnight, the showers continue, particularly towards perhaps some towards the west, perhaps some longer of rain, longer spells of rain, especially across of especially across parts of southwest england. and here, some strong winds to watch out too for, risk of gales, perhaps even little bit stronger than even a little bit stronger than that as we through the night, that as we go through the night, there will be some clear skies developing, especially across parts northern parts of scotland and northern ireland. likely parts of scotland and northern irela as likely parts of scotland and northern irela as temperatures likely parts of scotland and northern irela as temperatures dipely parts of scotland and northern irela as temperatures dip below here as temperatures dip below freezing south, a touch freezing further south, a touch milder, but of a chilly milder, but a bit of a chilly start first thing on friday. there'll wet there'll also be some wet weather around southern weather around across southern areas, but that will clear away towards the east then. otherwise, places having otherwise, many places having largely sunny picture , but largely sunny picture, but showers continuing to come in on a northerly wind. so it'll be areas exposed to that wind direction we're most likely direction that we're most likely to showers as go to see the showers as we go through tomorrow afternoon. temperatures down a temperatures for many down a degree compared today degree or so compared to today by by. >> well, thanks, alex. still to come, more on the home secretary launching that attack on the metropolitan chief. this launching that attack on the m�*britain'snn chief. this launching that attack on the m�*britain's newsroomrief. this launching that attack on the

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channel 2:11 am. on thursday, the 9th of november. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> so braverman blasts the met. the home secretary has launched a scathing attack on the met police, accusing them bias police, accusing them of bias and standards. our and double standards. our political christopher political editor christopher hope more to shapps want hope has more to shapps want suella braverman to quit. >> what will rishi sunak do?

let's wait and . see let's wait and. see >> knife crime epidemic. a 14 year old boy has been charged with murdering alfie lewis, who was stabbed near a school in leeds. what can be done about youth knife crime and a good news story boost in sales . news story boost in sales. >> marks and spencer's has reported much better than expected profits for the first half of the year is this a return to the high street? what has made marks and spencer's so successful this year and been by the beeb? >> carol vorderman? she's off. she's left her bbc radio show or she was pushed out over the broadcaster's new social media guidelines . broadcaster's new social media guidelines. boardman says she won't silenced online, but won't be silenced online, but guess what? the bbc's gary lineker, continuing lineker, he's continuing his political posturing . political posturing. >> you know what i think she might be doing? it's just occurred to me if she thinks

that labour are going to sweep the board at the next election and we're going to have keir starmer as prime minister she's basically up to the basically sucking up to the prime isn't she? prime minister isn't she? because are because all of her tweets are anti conservative. absolutely. >> damehood or >> does she want a damehood or maybe want be a lord maybe does she want to be a lord lady vorderman exactly. lady vorderman yeah, exactly. >> think? are we >> what do you think? are we being too cynical then? being way too cynical then? maybe standing for maybe she's just standing up for what believes in. what she believes in. vaiews@gbnews.com email vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address. first though, the very latest headlines with latest news headlines with tatiana . tatiana sanchez. >> beth, thank you. good morning. this is the latest from the newsroom. the shadow home secretary is accusing suella braverman of encouraging extremists with comments published in an article for the times. in the piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestinian rallies to go ahead on armistice day. liberal democrat leader sir ed davey is calling for the prime minister to sack mrs. braverman over her claims. rishi sunak met the police commissioner yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark

rowley accountable . yvette rowley accountable. yvette cooperis rowley accountable. yvette cooper is calling for braverman to make a statement. she is deliberately inflaming community tensions in the most dangerous of ways. >> she is encouraging extremists on all sides is attacking the police when she should be backing them. it is highly irresponsible and dangerous and no other home secretary would ever have done this . ever have done this. >> gb news understands downing street signed off on the home secretary's comment article in the times. our political editor christopher hope has more . christopher hope has more. >> westminster is reeling from overnight comments from suella braverman, the home secretary, saying there is double standards in policing that football fans are treated differently to supporters of black lives matter and other seen as left wing movements . well, i understand movements. well, i understand that overnight number 10 downing street did sign off on these remarks from suella braverman. so the question today is, does the pm have confidence in this

home secretary suella braverman? increasingly, tension increasingly, there is tension on the frontbench and the backbench about the comments from braverman . some will from suella braverman. some will say tune with the say they're in tune with the tory grassroots, but others on the of the party are very the left of the party are very concerned the middle east. concerned to the middle east. >> idf soldiers uncovered tunnel shafts and seized weapon caches when they took control of a hamas outpost in northern gaza. they say it took ten hours of fighting to take control of the military stronghold in western jabalya. some 80 countries and international organisations will meet in paris later today to discuss ways of getting humanitarian aid to people in gaza. health authorities from both the palestinian and israeli sides claim over 12,000 people have died in the conflict, with an additional 163 fatalities in the west bank. the foreign secretary is in saudi arabia as part of a diplomatic effort to continue to prevent the middle east crisis spiralling into wider war. he'll hold high level talks with regional counterparts, those currently taking place in efforts to avoid

escalation and work towards a two state solution for israel and palestine . back in the uk, and palestine. back in the uk, a 14 year old boy has been charged with murder over the fatal stabbing of a 15 year old alfie lewis . alfie was attacked in the lewis. alfie was attacked in the horsforth area of leeds on tuesday afternoon . soon as tuesday afternoon. soon as children were leaving to nearby schools. the 14 year old will appearin schools. the 14 year old will appear in court, also charged with possession of a knife. alfie's family say he was 1 in 1,000,000 and had the biggest heart . the nhs waiting list in heart. the nhs waiting list in england has hit a record high, with more people facing delays of more than a year and a half. nhs england found the wait list increased to just over 7.5 million at the end of september. officials say it's made up of 6.5 million patients, with some waiting for more than one treatment. the overall list is now nearly 3.5 million higher than it was before the covid pandemic . dame priti patel will

pandemic. dame priti patel will give evidence at the covid inquiry today. the former home secretary is likely to face questions about her approach to controlling the border and policing of lockdown rules. dame pretty lobbied for stricter border controls in the early stages of the pandemic in an attempt to prevent the virus reaching the uk. but she was overruled and an independent inquiry into a channel crossing tragedy where at least 27 people died has now been launched . the died has now been launched. the incident happened after an inflatable migrant boat capsized back in november 2021. an investigation will now take place into the circumstances surrounding the deaths, which included a pregnant woman and three children. it follows the publication of a report by the marine accident investigation branch, which found the boat was wholly unsuitable and ill equipped . and finally, new rules equipped. and finally, new rules have been unveiled to protect children online, including limiting direct messages and removing them from suggested

friends. list as part of ofcom's code of practice under the online safety act, which was signed into law a week ago , the signed into law a week ago, the largest platforms will be required to put measures in place , including blocking place, including blocking children from being a suggested friend and blocking people outside children's agreed connections from direct messages focuses on illegal materials such as grooming, content fraud and child sexual abuse . this is and child sexual abuse. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to andrew and . bev andrew and. bev >> very good morning. it is 1106. you've been getting in touch at home. thank you for keeping us company. we do love your emails. you've all been responding to suella braverman writing this morning. >> powerful piece. yeah. >> very powerful piece. yeah. >> very powerful piece. yeah. >> and lorraine has said that braverman should be prosecuted >> and lorraine has said that brahate an should be prosecuted >> and lorraine has said that bra hate speechild be prosecuted >> and lorraine has said that

bra hate speech for3e prosecuted >> and lorraine has said that bra hate speech for callingzcuted >> and lorraine has said that bra hate speech for calling theed for hate speech for calling the march a hate march and saying that homeless people living in a tent is a lifestyle choice as she did. >> she . the trouble is with the >> she. the trouble is with the home secretary in my view, she doesn't nuance her remarks quite like that. i get that she's like a bull in a china shop. if she said for some peop homeless people, it's a lifestyle choice, she'd absolutely right. but i she'd be absolutely right. but i also thought it was tricky to say charities, you cannot say to charities, you cannot give homeless people tents. they're charities . they they're charities. they obviously out that that's obviously worked out that that's a thing . but equally, a good thing. but equally, i don't want to see rows and rows of tents in our cities of tents in our major cities like you in new york and la horrible. >> you see them in london now. >> you see them in london now. >> you see them in london now. >> you see them on screen. when i drive in every morning. but you see, david has said, why should suella braverman be remanded the truth? remanded for telling the truth? that point. stephen says that is the point. stephen says she spot police do she is spot on. the police do police lefty protests completely differently . and sean in dover differently. and sean in dover has said, i'm not sure if i heard it from your show, but i'd be cautious of branding any tory politicians as part popular. i think she is, yeah. she is quite

popular with the base. the conservatives lviv base. >> certainly is. >> she certainly is. >> she certainly is. >> do a conservative >> and they do a conservative home, is bible of the home, which is the bible of the tory they do a league tory party. they do a league table most ministers table of most popular ministers and she's way up the top and rishi down about number 23. >> well, is that right? >> well, is that right? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> 23. >> 23. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> of about 28. >> out of about 28. >> out of about 28. >> whoa . >> whoa. >> whoa. >> and he's the prime minister about carol vorderman losing a job because she refused to be silenced on social media. >> what she would say was calling out political corruption in the conservative party. jonah says, i'm appalled that carol vorderman has been sacked the vorderman has been sacked by the bbc. if the bbc's it's the bbc's loss. she something loss. if she gets something better in long run. better in the long run. >> but does john john, do you really think it's right for a bbc to be partial? bbc presenter to be so partial? so vituperative about one political party? aren't there criticisms she could have made about the labour party and lib dems she did that might be dems if she did that might be more evenhanded, and more evenhanded, but bev and i are take bet. will are going to take a bet. will she emerge in the house of lords under sir keir starmers labour government if they the government if they win the general election? >> she's doing.

>> that's what she's doing. >> that's what she's doing. >> she might. >> we think she might. >> we think she might. >> she's positioning. she's very good equations, she? good at equations, isn't she? good and made the good at math? and she's made the equafion good at math? and she's made the equation if she gets equation that if she gets herself, know, herself, you know, kind of winning favour with the labour party right now by absolutely obliterating the conservatives , obliterating the conservatives, then when if they get then if and when if they get into number 10, then she'll be probably one of the first people through door advise through that door to advise rishi on more than just rishi sunak on more than just the kiss. did i say yeah. >> keir starmer sorry. >> keir starmer sorry. >> and of course she used to be david cameron's maths tsar. still gimmick. >> do you know why i think i fell over that i find it hard to picture keir starmer going into number 10. >> get used to because >> we'll get used to it because he will you find it hard he will and do you find it hard to picture? >> just not sure he's owning >> i'm just not sure he's owning that. he's not owning that image, he? the moment image, is he? at the moment there's lack of there's a serious lack of political leadership in this country, my view. country, in my view. >> going to we're >> now we're going to we're talking the secretary talking about the home secretary let's talk to our political edhon let's talk to our political editor, chris who's editor, chris hope, who's in westminster. chris some tory mps simply like what she said. simply don't like what she said. predict the labour shadow home secretaries stuck the boot in. she would, wouldn't but

she would, wouldn't she? but what's really going on behind the in the tory party? the scenes in the tory party? braverman , it's exposing braverman well, it's exposing the divisions privately in the party that you're seeing out there of course, the liberal democrats say fire braverman. >> now, no surprise there . >> now, no surprise there. you've yvette cooper you've got yvette cooper ordering an urgent question for the home secretary who couldn't couldn't turn up today house couldn't turn up today in house of commons got of commons because he's got a family she's dealing family illness. she's dealing with again. i think the with yet again. i think the issue of nuance, andrew, is exactly right with suella braverman. she she understands the of the tory party, that the base of the tory party, that kind of right wing group of political , active, engaged political, active, engaged people. she gets them. but i think she sometimes doesn't goes a bit too far i think for a lot of people mentioning ulster the northern ireland marches equating the marches to the issues in northern ireland was the step too far. the question for rishi sunak is did he know about these comments in advance? now ms braverman's team or people close to her tell me that it was this document, the article was sent overnight to the pm and then it came back .

the pm and then it came back. there were reports right now that the pm, his team, asked for changes and they weren't made by suella braverman . so i think suella braverman. so i think there's a very important meeting coming up half past 11, the coming up at half past 11, the lobby meeting the issue lobby meeting shortly. the issue of confidence suella of confidence in suella braverman be asked. braverman that will be asked. i'll be the first question they ask spokesman. does it ask of the spokesman. does it have in suella have confidence in suella braverman? very braverman? it does seem very interesting. i mean, lots of ministers give me their views, extra ministers over in the house of commons one one saying it's minister giving it's like a minister giving undermining a general. 2440 eight hours before battle on the battlefield . so someone else battlefield. so someone else said, no, she's not looking to be sacked. she's merely his her view. she wants to make it clear. but what's interesting, of course, is she's not an observer to this. she is one of the bosses to mark rowley, the other london mayor. she other being london mayor. she can about this can do something about this if she wants to. so it's certainly caused a cat amongst the pigeons here and there here in westminster. and there are marks about whether are question marks about whether she'll the day. will she she'll survive the day. will she survive, survive the survive, survive into the weekend course, on that weekend and of course, on that weekend. rowley has been weekend. mark rowley has been very from pm. if

very clear from the pm. if there's any trouble at any of these cuts across these marches, if it cuts across marking remembrance day, then it will be him to answer for those problems. >> if number 10, sign the >> but if number 10, sign the article off, chris, why would they what basis could they they on what basis could they fire her? >> well , it's the issue of >> well, it's the issue of signing off. andrew so from the home secretary's team, the document, the article went to number 10. we're hearing this morning. i'm trying to get it stood up by from the by number 10, the changes were made and they were not adopted by the home secretary. now, we don't know if that's the case yet. we're finding for gb news we're finding out for gb news viewers that the case and viewers if that was the case and if that's the case, it means that she said wouldn't make that she said she wouldn't make the changes. asked of her by number is number 10. and that is a problem. we'll find out shortly number 10. and that is a prthat's. we'll find out shortly number 10. and that is a prthat's thee'll find out shortly number 10. and that is a prthat's the case.id out shortly if that's the case. >> okay. brilliant. christopher hope only hope there, if only his political experts, as was matched his expertise in matched by his expertise in ties. you have a word with ties. will you have a word with him now from christopher? hope so. stylish man, liam so. very stylish man, liam halligan studio right halligan is in the studio right marks and spencers . oh, i love

marks and spencers. oh, i love a good news story , liam. good news story, liam. >> it is a good news story, but i'm going to ever so slightly caveat it. i'm afraid, because in the end, facts matter. now m&s and w h smith two flagship high street titans, they've had a really good few months , a really good few months, despite the fact that there's a cost of living crisis. and let me just take you through some of the figures. if we look at m&s latest results over the last six months, their profits were up 56. >> that's humongous. >> that's humongous. >> £326 million. that's a big number and understandable . the number and understandable. the ceo, stuart machin . there has ceo, stuart machin. there has been a revamp going on at m&s says spirits are high for christmas and shapo to them. what a fabulous british company w h smith as well. their annual profits are up 96% to £143 million. that's annual, not six month, but b clear here. it's their travel store at airports and train stations that have really outperformed aimed their high street stores are actually slightly off over the last year and this is the point i wanted

to make to both of you. there will be lots of headlines. m&s doing well, w.h. smith doing well. but broader picture well. but the broader picture across the high street is lot across the high street is a lot more gloomy, i'm afraid. and let's a look at some let's have a look at some numbers actually out numbers which actually came out yesterday, they're yesterday, but they're worth highlighting. the highlighting. these are from the british across british retail consortium across the the uk high street the whole of the uk high street retail sales up 2.5% in october. that's slower than the growth in september. these compared to the same month in the previous year. that's below the 4.2% annual increase in each of the last 12 months. on average . so you can months. on average. so you can see the growth is slowing down. and here's the kicker. these are nominal numbers, right? these are numbers before inflation. when you consider that inflation is 6.7, the value of retail sales in real terms has been falling over the last year and it's now falling at an accelerating pace . i don't say accelerating pace. i don't say this to be gloomy . i just think this to be gloomy. i just think that gb news viewers and listeners want to know how it is.

>> and it's the old problem about the high street, all sorts of factors. the government are going all sorts of things. going to do all sorts of things. they say stimulate the high street. never do. why street. they never do. why can't they make parking they just make sure parking charges, for instance, are cut? wouldn't that help lot? wouldn't that help a lot? >> britain's high streets, particularly towns, in particularly in our towns, in our cities as well, but particularly in our towns, are suffering systemically from the big from what suffering systemically from the big call from what suffering systemically from the bigcall business from what suffering systemically from the bigcall business rates, m what suffering systemically from the bigcall business rates, which ll we call business rates, which are that physical shops are taxes. that physical shops have which online have to pay, which online retailers have pay retailers don't have to pay before make any money before they make any money at all, they take money all, before they take any money at all, they have to pay those taxes on their premises. at all, they have to pay those taxes on their premises . but on taxes on their premises. but on top that, we've still got top of that, we've still got a lot of people suffering in this economy. we've had 14 successive interest rises. you've interest rate rises. if you've got a mortgage or personal got a mortgage or other personal loans, may be paying more. loans, you may be paying more. we've got a of concern about we've got a lot of concern about you know, energy bills. they could spike again this winter. the public knows it. they're often ahead of the media and political class, of course. so people are reining in their horns. now smith, m&s particularly w.h. smith at airports, it's a bit more up market, right? it's a bit more

up market. but for a lot of ordinary folk here across the country, they are not feeling good about this christmas. there is a bit of gloom and doom on the high street. >> so these the fact that these shops are smith's and marks and spencer's are in travel venues and we've had this increase. is this because people are actually this because people are actually this have travelled more this year have travelled more even like post pandemic 2022 people travelling people still weren't travelling that because yeah a that much it's because yeah a lot people travelling lot of people are travelling more lot of people are travelling mo obviously well—heeled >> obviously well—heeled families travel a lot, but also less well—heeled families. they're thinking, well , it's they're thinking, well, it's gloomy in britain, we're going to have a good holiday and when you go on your holiday, you're going spend in the going to spend money in the shops. know your holiday shops. you know your holiday starts the starts when you get to the airport for a lot of for a lot of people. right and that's why smith's in travel venues, whether trains or whether it's trains or or airports doing quite well. airports is doing quite well. that's is doing airports is doing quite well. that'swell, is doing airports is doing quite well. that'swell, because is doing airports is doing quite well. that'swell, because it is doing airports is doing quite well. that'swell, because it is; doing quite well, because it is generally more of up—market generally more of an up—market place. but those british retail consortium figures show across the it's not plain sailing. >> i always buy a book at w.h.

smith's at the airport. yeah, wherever i'm going, it's a ritual, but it's always do, always do . always do. >> because you're saying to yourself, oh , you know, the yourself, oh, you know, the likes we read all day, likes of us, we read all day, every right? we news. every day, right? we read news. news news. yeah. i feel guilty when i read fiction. unless i'm on yeah, because on holiday. yeah, right. because you should be some you think there should be some bonng you think there should be some boring economics report. i should be. >> i know. should be. >> and ow. should be. >> and you're pretending to read your column. andrew >> know how to hurt a boy. >> you know how to hurt a boy. >> you know how to hurt a boy. >> to talk you about >> we want to talk you about little as yeah what's little as well. yeah what's this? staff wearing body cams. >> well, this is interesting. we've and heard, and we've all read and heard, and i've been talking to lots of people in my local town about it. there's of shoplifting it. there's a lot of shoplifting going this often happens going on, and this often happens when economy turns down. when the economy turns down. people staff people get desperate and staff in lidl, one of our main discounters , which taken a lot discounters, which taken a lot more market share during this cost of living crisis, it's you know, aldi between them know, lidl and aldi between them have been nipping at the heels of likes tesco and of the likes of tesco and sainsbury because they are discounters and people want for value money. of people in value money. lots of people in the of living yes. the cost of living crisis. yes. but at the same time, are but at the same time, they are more likely from

more likely to suffer from shoplifting the shoplifting because of the demographic of the people that tends go there. so staff in tends to go there. so staff in lidl have taken to wearing body cams in order to try and detect shoplifting and also in case they have to confront somebody with shoplifting in case there's going to be some kind of, you know, legal case. i mean, it's unreal. you know , you're on unreal. you know, you're on you're on you know, i'm sure lidl and aldi , somewhere lidl and aldi, somewhere someone's hand in the till and they're worried about legal action. sure i'm sure action. i'm sure i'm sure lidl pay action. i'm sure i'm sure lidl pay their well, they have pay their staff well, they have actually got a good reputation as employer, it be said, as an employer, it must be said, and they're doing this and i'm sure they're doing this mainly their mainly to protect their their staff, somebody is staff, because if somebody is caught shoplifting, they may think about kicking off. think twice about kicking off. if filmed. if it's being filmed. right. they won't . i think i think they won't. i think i think that's clear. >> i think they just won't. >> i think they just won't. >> but these you know, these men and women in their people, well, they consider themselves be desperate. >> only going more >> they're only going to more likely assault the shop worker wearing camera push wearing the camera to push them down ground so can't down on the ground so they can't see this shoplifting see it. and this shoplifting thing, liam, this has got to be partly of non self partly because of non self service checkouts. that has got

to be because you see all the time i see people, i saw somebody the other day do a basket a bag of shopping basket full of a bag of shopping and kind of dealing and then kind of was dealing with and the partner with the kids and the partner was there and she went, oh, just take that and he went then take that and he went and then she sort cancelled she she sort of cancelled it and she started i thought, started again. i thought, they've just nicked they've just they've just nicked the whole bag. >> well, how can they keep their eye it all whole time. eye on it all the whole time. they can't to two things. >> things. shoplifting >> two things. yes shoplifting is related an is closely related to an economic downturn. absolutely. there will be people shoplifting, know, shoplifting, you know, particularly mums you shoplifting, you know, partitolarly mums you shoplifting, you know, partito and mums you shoplifting, you know, partito and read mums you shoplifting, you know, partito and read aboutns you shoplifting, you know, partito and read about a you shoplifting, you know, partito and read about a lot. talk to and read about a lot. they're desperate feed they're just desperate to feed their and they're their kids and they're scared and financially and they're financially insecure. i'm condoning insecure. and i'm not condoning that but i'm just that for a second, but i'm just saying there's relationship saying there's a relationship there. then also there. but then there's also people shoplift because people who shoplift just because they like the thrill of it. you know, it's almost a cliche, well—heeled who are very well—heeled people who are very wealthy, who get shoplifter convictions because they want some kind of kick in their life. i think that's worth saying . i i think that's worth saying. i also think it's worth saying that that i'm not saying this is all doom and gloom, right? the high street is doing better than

this time last year as m&s and smiths show. but i think what we're seeing is a real kind of a separation between people who are better off, who think that the downturn is over and then they can get on with their normal lifestyle. and a lot of the rest of the population euanne the rest of the population elianne who feel that the downturn is still very much with us. >> us. >> when i was at my sixth form doing my job friday night, saturday night job at sainsbury's, they were still detectives who they detectives and we knew who they were we'd often they'd, were and we'd often they'd, we'd get have to go get them or we'd have to go sprinting after someone who'd been they been pinching. do they still employ detectives is employ store detectives or is that with the arc. that gone with the arc. >> no, no. they, they do. and i guess supermarkets in general >> no, no. they, they do. and i guessmade'markets in general >> no, no. they, they do. and i guessmade the 'kets in general >> no, no. they, they do. and i guessmade the calculationeral >> no, no. they, they do. and i guessmade the calculation that have made the calculation that they checkout with they save on checkout staff with these self—checkout things. bev but lose more but they're going to lose more when shoplifting. when it comes to shoplifting. but if i take an but the problem is if i take an item and put it in my basket, right, and i don't check it, you don't know that that shoplifting has place. mean, that's has taken place. i mean, that's it's difficult measure these it's difficult to measure these things circumvent system. >> right. they know that

>> right. they must know that that shoplifting has taken place because they're doing because when they're doing a stock they've had stock check and they've had x come and they've had amount come in and they've had x amount of just because just of produce go just because just because just. because i just. >> there'll be a >> yeah, there'll be a discrepancy. you mean they don't see it's undetected. it's completely see it's undetected. it's complete absolutely. all right. >> yeah, absolutely. all right. thank liam. right. >> yeah, absolutely. all right. thago liam. right. >> yeah, absolutely. all right. thago to liam. right. >> yeah, absolutely. all right. thago to the am. right. >> yeah, absolutely. all right. thago to the till. right. >> go to the till. >> go to the till. >> i do people human beings. >> i do use people human beings. >> i do use people human beings. >> i do use people human beings. >> i like human i want >> i like human beings. i want to put people out of a job. >> still to come, there's been a 19% increase in the number of knife offences since last year. 15 is the 15 year old alfie lewis is the latest of this horrendous latest victim of this horrendous crime. tuesday crime. stabbed on tuesday near a school in leeds. how do we stop this epidemic? we're going to be discussing britain's discussing that since britain's newsroom

christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . radio. >> well, a terrible news. a 14 year old boy has been charged with a murder over the fatal stabbing of alfie lewis in leeds . alfie was 15. >> that's right. fatal stabbings in england and wales are at the highest level since records began with 282 homicides committed using a knife or sharp instrument last year. >> like with alfie lewis, many of the victims and perpetrators are too young to drink or drive. yet somehow, they acquire yet somehow, how they acquire and the to carry and feel the need to carry knives. and feel the need to carry kni'so. can we stop this knife >> so how can we stop this knife crime epidemic? joining us to discuss can done is the discuss what can be done is the chair of haringey communities against violence, ken hines . against violence, ken hines. ken, good see you. thank you ken, good to see you. thank you for bringing your expertise , for bringing your expertise, experience and insight to this topic for us. your topic for us. in your experience, first of all, why are predominantly young boys carrying knives ?

carrying knives? >> they use the force pretence. for example, they used to force pretence of thinking that by carrying a knife it's i'm getting some get some feedback on. >> okay we can we can hear you can. >> okay just just to say just start again young people sometimes think that it that they're need to carry a knife to safeguard themselves . now that's safeguard themselves. now that's of course a false premise for them to have. now now. but basically , there's no excuse for basically, there's no excuse for people carrying knives . what we people carrying knives. what we find, what i find quite clearly is that people are suffering from trauma, emotion , trauma. from trauma, emotion, trauma. now if they don't check in with how their emotional well—being as to where they are with themselves , if they've lacked

themselves, if they've lacked self esteem, confidence, then they generally will want to take on to carry a knife more . my on to carry a knife more. my thing is simply this. the school should be aware of some of these youngsters that are struggling with their emotional well—being . with their emotional well—being. and in doing so, there should be stepping in to allow people like myself and other groups , myself and other groups, grassroots groups to come in and to help kind of mentor those young people, to deal with that trauma more effectively . trauma more effectively. >> so what you're describing there, ken, really are young people who are scared . people who are scared. fundamentally, when i asked why they're carrying knives and they're carrying knives and they're scared, they lack confidence. they feel vulnerable on the streets. but that doesn't explain the aggression . then explain the aggression. then that then leads to attacks. where's that coming from ? well

where's that coming from? well if a person feels a young person feels violated , they're going to feels violated, they're going to feels violated, they're going to feel that they're going to have to step up and do something about it . about it. >> now, you also got the social media influencer is and some some music music that actually says that what what they will do if they got violated and they often feel that they have to go savage on on the on the on the people who's been violating them now to me they don't think about consequences . they just think consequences. they just think about getting revenge . but but about getting revenge. but but but personally, i think that we've got to stop looking at the symptoms and start looking at the causes . now, if we can't get

the causes. now, if we can't get into schools and deal with young people a lot earlier age, i'm talking about in primary school. i'm talking about in nursery , i'm talking about in nursery, then we need to have programs about emotional well—being . so about emotional well—being. so and to how to tackle the rage or the red mist that sometime come to us as adults . to us as adults. >> yeah, sorry. can we check in and we deal with we deal with it more effectively. >> ideally, we do not. all adults do admitted, but i think i recognise what you're describing. thin skinned young boys, easily offended . think boys, easily offended. think they've got a right to perpetrate some sort of justice on on an experience that they perceive as a slight . but where perceive as a slight. but where is the sense of what is right and what is wrong ? because and what is wrong? because throughout history we've had kids who didn't have great self esteem , but they didn't take esteem, but they didn't take a knife because they were fearful of what the consequences of authority of teacher was of the

police. that's all disappeared. ken yes, it has. >> and since we stop parents from disciplining, disciplining children , our own children , it children, our own children, it means that the children are now dominant in some home because they know that if even the parent talk out of hand to a child, they can call up childline or or go back into the school and report that and that parent could get into a problem . parent could get into a problem. right. and if god help a parent who put their hands on their child, which in some cases by doing it early may prevent them having to put their hand on their child later down the line and have that child in shame. at the moment that the child can has got a lot, a lot of power and freedom to protect . yeah,

and freedom to protect. yeah, power. but we haven't taught them about responsibility city to go with that power . yeah. them about responsibility city to go with that power. yeah. and until we get some sort of balance we this and this is not just in london it's this happenedin just in london it's this happened in leeds this happens all around the country and it's unacceptable that that we're thinking that we can arrest our way out of this . yeah. way out of this. yeah. >> yeah. we can't. >> yeah. we can't. >> and we shouldn't be excluding kids either . >> and we shouldn't be excluding kids either. we should be working within schools to get a better result from them. okay >> thank you, ken. really interesting. ken hind there, who does work with young people, the chair of haringey communities against violence says often there's an absence of a father figure in some of these homes. >> often there is, and they get sucked into gangs . sucked into gangs. >> and we were hearing then >> and as we were hearing then and status and parents and parents status and parents don't feel they can discipline their anymore. so what a their kids anymore. so what a mess right bbc carol vorderman leaves bbc radio show over anti—government social media posts shown away to the house of

lords under a labour government. >> we think she might be overstated. minority the size of the transgender population may have overstated by official have been overstated by official figures because people didn't understand what the census was asking them. that is a very, very amusing , asking them. that is a very, very amusing, but in a sense a very amusing, but in a sense a very serious story. so very amusing, but in a sense a very serious story . so stay with very serious story. so stay with us. us. >> us. >> right. don't go anywhere. >> right. don't go anywhere. >> it's your morning news with tatiana . beth. tatiana. beth. >> thank you and good morning. this is the latest from the newsroom . the shadow home newsroom. the shadow home secretary is accusing suella braverman of encouraging extreme ists with comments published in an article for the times. in the piece , the home secretary says piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestine minion rallies to go ahead on armistice day. liberal democrats leader sir ed davey is calling for the prime minister to sack mrs. braverman over her claims. rishi sunak met the police commissioner yesterday , saying commissioner yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable while yvette cooper

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that i knew had dewbs& co week nights from . six 1039 nights from. six 1039 1139 1139 he always got an extra hour with me. >> that's what it is. >> that's what it is. >> no, it's because i'd come alone whispering in my ear, always whispering in my ear. >> caramel, it's 1139 and we're >> caramel, it's1139 and we're talking about carol vorderman , talking about carol vorderman, where she pushed where she should. i hope she was shoved right . right. >> we are going to talk to somebody about this because she's left radio wales. she says she's left radio wales. she says she will not be silenced. >> was there the corporation. >> who knew? and recently she, the updated social the bbc, updated its social media in an attempt media guidelines in an attempt to profile presenters to stop high profile presenters

expressing party expressing strong views on party politics. expressing strong views on party polwell , she's been very >> well, she's been very critical of government and critical of the government and the we're going have the tories and we're going have a at couple. so she says a look at a couple. so she says about johnny mercer, the about johnny mercer, who was the who veterans minister, who is the veterans minister, johnny mercer, and his wife are the petulant, childish pair the most petulant, childish pair of minister of the week and minister tweeting out emojis, not knowing bafic tweeting out emojis, not knowing basic facts. basic polling, political facts. now on now he switched off replies on twitter. pretty personal, twitter. that's pretty personal, isn't twitter. that's pretty personal, isn'it's twitter. that's pretty personal, isn' it's very twitter. that's pretty personal, isn'it's very personal. >> it's very personal. >> it's very personal. >> she's a nice >> well, she's also a nice bloke, mercer. bloke, johnny mercer. >> she also said the tory government has now lost around half of those who for them government has now lost around ha 2019. hose who for them government has now lost around ha 2019. why who for them government has now lost around ha2019. why because for them government has now lost around ha 2019. why because they'reiem in 2019. why because they're a lying bunch of greedy, corrupt, destructive, hateful, divisive, gaslighting crooks. no need for a focus group on sunak. it'll just tell you the same. so we're joined now by our guests are waiting to wade in on this, but we're going to speak to former bbc broadcaster sally jones. good morning, sally. great to see again . what do you think see you again. what do you think the should impose these sort the bbc should impose these sort of restrictions of gagging restrictions on the presenters ? presenters? >> yes, i absolutely do, because when i was working for the bbc, there were considerably more stringent regular i mean, i was

for a while staff and then freelance either way, there were really stringent regulations . really stringent regulations. >> we weren't allowed to put our own interview or start shouting the odds on politics, etcetera. the rise in social media has obviously proved too great. >> invitation to people like carol vorderman and gary lineker and i really think that, of course they shouldn't be putting their own points of view. >> it's rather like emily maitlis suddenly having a rant against the tories when she was supposed to be an even handed presenter interviewing people rather than giving her own point of view . it's utterly , utterly of view. it's utterly, utterly inappropriate. they're dead right. i think the difficulty is that you get somebody like gary lineker , he knows he's almost lineker, he knows he's almost infallible. they literally he's got so much power , they can't got so much power, they can't get rid of him . and it's amazing get rid of him. and it's amazing to me how sadly, they can get rid of him. >> they're in charge. why should he be able to call the shots

just because he talks about some bonng just because he talks about some boring football matches every saturday? i think the problem is he's far , far higher profile. he's far, far higher profile. >> he's far, far more important to the bbc. >> but why? >> but why? >> i think i just i, of course, is , you know, it's a great is, you know, it's a great place, but it doesn't pull anything like the viewers , gary anything like the viewers, gary lineker has got the entire might of match of the day football focus, all their presenters behind them, as we saw last monday, trying to . monday, trying to. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. and they immediately walked off. nobody was going to broadcast. everybody else would have been scared to step into the shoes because they'd been cancelled from his kingdom. come so you know, going have know, they're going to have problems with gary if he cares to go on board casting. they could be put they were could be put as they were before, incredibly before, in an incredibly difficult . difficult position. >> should have called >> well, they should have called his thank you, sally. >> well, thank you, sally. former bbc broadcaster sally jones there. >> now, these two are champing at the bit here. >> malone, before we go there, we just wanted let me show you what vorderman said what carol vorderman said

yesterday we go to carol yesterday before we go to carol and sam. she said the bbc recently introduced new social media guidelines , which i media guidelines, which i respect. however, despite my show being light—hearted with no political content, it was explained to me that as it is a weekly show in my name, the new guidelines would apply to all and any content that i post. all year round. >> those non—negotiable >> since those non—negotiable changes my radio contract changes to my radio contract were made, i've ultimately found that not to prepared lose my that i'm not to prepared lose my voice voice social voice on on voice and social media am lose the media change to am or lose the ability expressed. the strong beliefs i hold about the political country political turmoil this country finds itself in. >> fascinating. carole malone, what do you make it? what do you make of it? >> joke about all >> you know, the joke about all this. >> i remember the time when carol vorderman was a tory. she was was one of david was and she was one of david cameron's best friends. she even got david cameron. got a job from david cameron. she which is a bit she was the tsar, which is a bit of a joke because of a joke in itself because she's got third an engineer she's got a third an engineer from cambridge college. but from from cambridge college. but anyway, that's the by and you anyway, that's by the by and you know makes very sad know what? it makes me very sad about you know she she's about this. you know she she's she really considers herself to be a serious political commentator. she really believes

that is.i commentator. she really believes that is. i mean, that that that she is. i mean, that that lofty quote there, i won't lose the ability to express the strong about the strong beliefs i hold about the political turmoil. you know what? she really needs to look in the mirror and realise that when she has these rants, the unhinged that ben bev just unhinged one that ben bev just read out there about the lying bunch greedy, corrupt, bunch of greedy, corrupt, destructive. i mean, there's about suits in about three slander suits in that alone . and really needs that alone. and she really needs to look at how people are viewing her beliefs and they're laughing at her, but we're looking at her and going, what the hell happened to you? what do want? a lot of people are do you want? a lot of people are saying, because because she wasn't this before. you wasn't like this before. you know i think got a know what? i think i've got a theory what's happened to theory about what's happened to her. she i think she hit 60 and theory about what's happened to her. wanted 1ink she hit 60 and theory about what's happened to her. wanted her she hit 60 and theory about what's happened to her. wanted her legacy: 60 and theory about what's happened to her. wanted her legacy to) and theory about what's happened to her. wanted her legacy to bend she wanted her legacy to be a little bit more serious than countdown host and awards presenter. so when political presenter. and so when political like , hysterically like crazy madly, hysterically political and she's but what upsets me about she's quite cruel to people, i think i mean look at some of her social media posts she's cruel. she was cruel to felicity mercer who who in the end called her a celebrity

attack dog. and that's i think that's what she's become. she's become an attack dog and not a very pretty is she? very pretty one, is she? >> after peerage from keir starmer? >> i don't think she would get one. you don't. one. no, you don't. >> i think she's on >> oh, i think she's on manoeuvres. >> oh, i think she's on ma don'tres. >> don't you? >> don't you? >> yeah, i think . i mean, is she >> yeah, i think. i mean, is she the face of the party that he wants? i don't know. maybe she is. >> she's popular with obviously with the things that she's saying a left wing saying in terms of a left wing audience. her audience. they're loving her at the moment, i think. >> and i've got slightly different theory to carol as to why vorderman is doing why carol vorderman is doing this. is because this. and i think it is because she's to herself she's trying to make herself relevant. mean , what does relevant. and i mean, what does she actually do? mean, none of she actually do? i mean, none of a weekly show on radio wales, which nobody about, none of which nobody knew about, none of us she even this us knew that she even had this show. does she actually show. so what does she actually do days? is she famous do most days? what is she famous for? this is the only thing for? now? this is the only thing she's famous for. she's trying to social media make to use social media to make herself relevant keep herself relevant and keep herself relevant and keep herself headlines. herself in the headlines. >> has maths books that >> she has maths books that children in school, so she's children use in school, so she's still of the count. >> she has no television profile. >> she has no, no. >> which will which will to her

make her in the papers every day, name there day, get her name out there trying to and earn some trying to try and earn some money, i guess. >> i think it's a real sad >> but i think it's a real sad demise for somebody who actually was bit of a national was a bit of a national treasure. she was loved. countdown she great on it, treasure. she was loved. couritiown she great on it, treasure. she was loved. courit just she great on it, treasure. she was loved. courit just seems great on it, treasure. she was loved. courit just seems thateat on it, treasure. she was loved. courit just seems that she's| it, and it just seems that she's gone down, as you said, you know, some very nasty, vitriolic route. you've just said there >> what you've just said there is to say. i is what i was trying to say. i obviously did very the obviously did it very badly. the relevance exactly right. relevance is exactly right. nothing unusual there. but what really me off, it's really hacks me off, it's not the doing it for the money she's doing it for because a super rich because she's a super rich woman. woman who flies woman. this is a woman who flies her own plane and it really hacks me when people like hacks me off when people like her talking about her start talking about the poon her start talking about the poor, know, she i was poor, you know, she says, i was poor, you know, she says, i was poor once. we were all poor. i mean, everyone at this table has grown up, not in rich family, grown up, not in a rich family, not in a middle class not even in a middle class family. mean, i just don't family. so, i mean, ijust don't buy that tosh from like buy that tosh from people like her. but sits there, you her. but she sits there, you know, a plane every other know, flying a plane every other weekend whatever. and weekend and doing whatever. and talking the poor like she talking about the poor like she knows she doesn't. she's knows she doesn't. she's she's a very and sounds very rich woman and sounds exactly relevant, is exactly the relevant, which is what was trying to say failed what i was trying to say failed miserably. think she's miserably. and but i think she's coming. she's destroying

coming. i think she's destroying the reputation she is the reputation that she had. is she is causing any she doing is she causing any harm the conservatives harm for the conservatives >> that's the question. >> that's the question. >> think that's. does have >> i think that's. does she have any says no, because any power? she says no, because this the problem with social this is the problem with social media, isn't it? >> you you absolutely are endorsed by the people who agree with you . tribe yeah, and the with you. tribe yeah, and the people who don't agree with you, you she's also you ignore you or but she's also gone the top . gone over the top. >> yeah, that's the point. >> yeah, that's the point. >> she's ludicrous. >> yeah, that's the point. >> social.udicrous. >> yeah, that's the point. >> social media. s. >> yeah, that's the point. >> social media. she's already >> yeah, that's the point. >> ftozial media. she's already >> yeah, that's the point. >> fto apologise she's already >> yeah, that's the point. >> fto apologise to 1e's already >> yeah, that's the point. >> fto apologise to 1e'smp3ady had to apologise to an mp anyway. yes, has said it was anyway. yes, she has said it was the party chair. the tory party chair. >> now can we please can we do this story? >> mean, this shouldn't >> i mean, this shouldn't be entertaining. it's it's not funny. serious element funny. it has a serious element to it. but we couldn't help but snigger read this, snigger when we read this, carol, just explain to carol, just just explain to us what's happened with the office of statistics. of national statistics. >> read papers of national statistics. >> day, read papers of national statistics. >> day, you'dd papers of national statistics. >> day, you'd think papers of national statistics. >> day, you'd think that rs every day, you'd think that every day, you'd think that every person britain every second person in britain was transgender. you would. was transgender. yeah you would. and when the office of national statistics this census statistics did their this census survey would say the survey, you would also say the results of that would suggest every third person in the country transgender. country was transgender. it turns out not at all. turns out it's not at all. they've overestimated they've completely overestimated the and because the the figures and why? because the

people who are doing the census didn't understand the question . didn't understand the question. a lot of them who fill this census in were non—english people, and so didn't know actually what they were writing , actually what they were writing, saying and said just said they happened to be transgender, which they said yes, which they they yes. and the ons is they said yes. and the ons is trying to make the excuse here that it's a lot of people coming in from a lot of migrant coming from various parts of the world. but, you know, this is not this is just a tosh badly. you know, the get everything wrong. i was just going to say, they've got form. >> so the question, sam that was on the form the gender you on the form is the gender you identify the same your identify with the same as your sex registered birth. sex registered at birth. >> i mean, you have to even we speak very english and we speak very good english and we have even you. have to even stop you. >> what actually mean? >> what does that actually mean? >> what does that actually mean? >> they wouldn't have a clue >> so they wouldn't have a clue what the 262,000 people who said no? >> would just say i'm >> well, i would just say i'm not answering it. >> but that's the point. >> yeah, but that's the point. so they found out then that if you didn't speak english, not well all, you well or not at all, you were more likely to be counted as

transgender. so in other words, people understand the people didn't understand the question we question then. therefore, we have how many have overestimated how many people this country are people in this country are transgender. >> i think they have to >> and also i think they have to do thing with the do a similar thing with the number people who are number of people who are pansexual, which means people who don't know, which means you you a port in a storm. what you are a port in a storm. what is a very good way and what are the stats? >> what are the stats here? >> what are the stats here? >> one in every muslims >> was one in every 67 muslims is transgender. >> was one in every 67 muslims is t no, gender. >> was one in every 67 muslims is t no, really. >> no, really. >> no, really. >> one in every 67. >> one in every 67. >> one in every 60. >> i've never seen one. no, no. not with someone i was. >> have you ever met a trans? >> have you ever met a trans? >> you're laughing. >> you're laughing. >> but actually we're laughing. but joke, isn't it? and but it's a joke, isn't it? and actually, it is a serious issue. >> serious point, which the >> a serious point, which is the for national statistics for office national statistics has a lot of questions to answer for office national statistics harthisot of questions to answer for office national statistics harthis because stions to answer for office national statistics harthis because actually, answer for office national statistics harthis because actually, whener on this because actually, when they writing census, they were writing this census, they were writing this census, they actually there they were actually there was a legal by a women's legal challenge by a women's rights the actual rights group over the actual position because as they position anyway, because as they were allowing men who self—identify as women , i.e, self—identify as women, i.e, they haven't had any kind of operation , they haven't got operation, they haven't got a legal certificate saying they've changed gender. so any man changed gender. so any any man who wants to say they were a

woman, that that's the woman, that that's what the census going to allow. and census was going to allow. and so groups had to to so women's groups had to go to court to say, yeah, that's right, look, this is this is ludicrous. so office for ludicrous. so the office for national statistics got national statistics have got this many occasions . this wrong on so many occasions. >> interesting fact of >> the most interesting fact of all you know, who helped all is you know, who helped shape the question on the census? was? the census? guess who it was? the lgbt plus lobby. yeah but don't look at me. >> well, i'm not me. but you feel like people who wouldn't agree with any of nonsense . agree with any of this nonsense. >> work in that >> people who work in that area, they assume so much understanding part of understanding on the part of everybody phrase everybody else to phrase a question . and question like this. and you think, i you're obsessed think, i know you're obsessed with most of us aren't. >> it's like they're like they're speaking foreign they're speaking a foreign language, another dialect. >> whose language language, another dialect. >> not whose language language, another dialect. >> not english; language language, another dialect. >> not english made language language, another dialect. >> not english made upnguage language, another dialect. >> not english made up onlyge language, another dialect. >> not english made up only 10% was not english made up only 10% of the overall population , but of the overall population, but 30% transgender 30% of the transgender population . population. >> it's a joke. >> it's a joke. >> it's a joke. >> i think we've found a flaw. i think it's changing the laws. >> apparently we have so many. >> apparently we have so many. >> i know it's like satire, isn't it? we shouldn't satire. >> we're laughing, but isn't >> we're laughing, but it isn't funny. well, it's not funny. >> it me angry. >> no, it makes me very angry. serious. it's funny. the

serious. but it's funny. the mess that they're. yeah. and the office statistics office of national statistics will up. will not hold their hands up. >> and they got all the economic prediction wrong. >> we just on how >> can we just finish on how much love and much we love at marks and spencers, please? have spencers, please? so they have restored dividend as half year profits have surged sam profits have surged to 75. sam as liam halligan said, there is a bit of nuance to this because predominantly it's the m&s stores that are in train stations people are stations where people are travelling but i just travelling around. but i just i'd rather it was this than the profits down. profits had gone down. >> and i think it's >> absolutely. and i think it's also it's mainly the food which the everyone seems to love the food everyone seems to love the food everyone seems to love the food. i love the food. it's great. nice treat. um, but it i mean they do admit that they've still got quite long way to go still got quite a long way to go with the clothes which can be a little interesting though. little bit interesting though. the strides. little bit interesting though. thei strides. little bit interesting though. thei know strides. little bit interesting though. thei know a strides. little bit interesting though. thei know a lot strides. little bit interesting though. thei know a lot of rides. little bit interesting though. thei know a lot of men who >> i know a lot of men who buy their suits hermanus. their suits in hermanus. >> i did. the suits are better than the women's clothes. yeah, but guy who has but the. but the guy who has taken up is this guy called taken it up is this guy called stuart matron. is it who he used to be? a shelf stacker on in sainsbury's got the sainsbury's and he's got the touch. and know, anyone who touch. and you know, anyone who hasn't that catalogue,

hasn't seen that catalogue, that food catalogue, the christmas one, through it? one, have you been through it? >> look at it without salivating. >> i take it to bed at night and i look most people take most people take their partner. >> takes her food >> karen malone takes her food catalogue the oh catalogue because that's the oh i'm till. catalogue because that's the oh i'm yeah, till. catalogue because that's the oh i'm yeah, yeah. and can we just >> yeah, yeah. and can we just have one last line on i'm have one last line on the i'm a celebrity line up rumours the sun of released the rumoured line including line up including frankie dettori josie love josie dettori josie gibson love josie wood in there wood frankie dettori go in there and ali news is and possibly ali gb news is nigel farage. >> would that be a good idea for nigel farage? >> i think he would absolutely love it, wouldn't it? >> going laying >> he's going in my i'm laying money if the mail said money on it. if the mail said last week he's being been offered £1.5 million. >> oh i heard a million. 1.1.5. >> oh i heard a million. 1.1.5. >> wouldn't you go in for that? maloney you'd go in for £5. >> i'd go in for less. i know you would. >> we know that you haven't been in already. >> done. go in for >> i've done. i'd go in for marks and spencer christmas hamper, but i've. >> you're wrong. >> well, you're not wrong. i've done other what's it done the other one. what's it called? brother. which was done the other one. what's it calledyeah. brother. which was done the other one. what's it calledyeah. yeah er. which was done the other one. what's it calledyeah. yeah andihich was done the other one. what's it calledyeah. yeah and that's/as good. yeah. yeah and that's safe. but think the i'm safe. but i think the i'm a celebrity one. you have very much more exposed in the sense

that have to show your that you have to show your mettle properly. >> have eat. >> yeah. you have to eat. >> i'd screaming. you have to eat. >> very funny animals, testicles and things. >> i mean, the thing. >> i mean, this is the thing. like nigel goes in, he's like if nigel goes in, he's going to show that he's, going to have to show that he's, you a man man, of the people. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> he can't be wimping out on any of these challenges. >> he will. >> he will. >> matt hancock can come third. yes, can yes, exactly. nigel can win. >> is on a popularity trajectory. >> very popular, going up. >> very popular, going up. >> let's hope it doesn't change all of the people in all the rest of the people in the air as well. >> who are they? i mean, you read ones are new, but read the ones that are new, but the we've got move on. the rest we've got to move on. >> ladies, you so much. >> ladies, thank you so much. brilliant as always. up next is gb news live with pip tomson and tom harwood. have you got tom harwood. what have you got on today, guys? tom harwood. what have you got on a today, guys? tom harwood. what have you got on a fracture oday, guys? tom harwood. what have you got on a fracture at ay, guys? tom harwood. what have you got on a fracture at the|uys? tom harwood. what have you got on a fracture at the heart of >> a fracture at the heart of government. just who signed off on home secretary's article on the home secretary's article in of the home in the times, allies of the home secretary replying, implying in the times, allies of the home secrinumber replying, implying in the times, allies of the home secrinumber 10 3lying, implying in the times, allies of the home secrinumber 10 did1g, implying in the times, allies of the home secrinumber 10 did give nplying in the times, allies of the home secrinumber 10 did give its/ing that number 10 did give its consent. there's reason to consent. but there's reason to think that number now think that number 10 might now disagree . we're going to get to disagree. we're going to get to the bottom of the truth what the bottom of the truth of what could be a rift and the core of

the cabinet. >> it we'll also be asking whether the home secretary is on a mission to get herself sacked. >> we'll be returning to the covid inquiry where a former home secretary priti patel, is due to give evidence. >> plus a bit of a question for you. >> if you're a mum , would you >> if you're a mum, would you pay >> if you're a mum, would you pay £230 for a baby perfume? dior have just launched one. we'd love to know what you think. >> and that's not a perfume that smells like babies. it's a perfume for your baby that hopefully smells like something else . else. >> fascinating. i think the answer here is no. no no, no and no. [10. >> no. >> you smell lovely . >> you smell lovely. >> you smell lovely. >> oh, honestly, it's the end of days. >> oh, honestly, it's the end of days . it's the death of society, days. it's the death of society, as we know it. i think in that very moment. and it's the end of our show. >> we'll be back with you on britain's newsroom on monday at 930. you see you then. 930. see you then. see you then. >> again. it's alex >> hello again. it's alex burkill here with your latest gb news a day of news weather forecast. a day of sunshine and showers for many with a chilly feel in the wind as well . at the moment there's

as well. at the moment there's an area low pressure just to an area of low pressure just to the northwest of uk and that the northwest of the uk and that is brisk winds and is bringing some brisk winds and also showery theme to many also that showery theme to many places. the westerly winds mean it's towards us, the west, where we'll see the heaviest and most frequent showers, some hail , frequent showers, some hail, some thunder mixed in. meanwhile towards the east, a greater chance staying dry, but a few chance of staying dry, but a few showers filtering in here. there will be some sunny around will be some sunny breaks around the across the best of these across northern parts of scotland, but it to be a chilly feel it is going to be a chilly feel to highs of around 8 or to things. highs of around 8 or 9 the north, 11 or 12 further 9 in the north, 11 or 12 further south as we go through this evening and overnight, the showers continue, particularly towards some towards the west, perhaps some longer spells of rain, especially across parts of southwest england. and here, some strong winds to watch out too for, risk of gales, perhaps even a little bit stronger than that as we go through the night, there will be some clear skies developing, especially across parts northern parts of scotland and northern ireland. likely ireland. some frost is likely here temperatures dip below here as temperatures dip below freezing. a touch here as temperatures dip below freezingbut a touch here as temperatures dip below freezingbut a a touch here as temperatures dip below freezingbut a bit a touch here as temperatures dip below freezingbut a bit of a touch here as temperatures dip below freezingbut a bit of a a touch here as temperatures dip below freezingbut a bit of a chilly uch milder, but a bit of a chilly start first thing on friday. there'll also be wet

there'll also be some wet weather around southern weather around across southern areas, clear away areas, but that will clear away towards then. towards the east then. otherwise, many places having largely sunny picture , but largely sunny picture, but showers continuing to come in on a northerly wind. it'll be a northerly wind. so it'll be areas exposed to that wind direction we're likely direction that we're most likely to see showers as we go to see the showers as we go through tomorrow afternoon. temperatures many temperatures for many down a degree compared to

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gb news live with pip thompson and tom harwood. coming up this lunchtime, labour has accused the home secretary of quote , the home secretary of quote, encouraging extremists on all sides and attacks the police when she should be backing them. >> that's coming after suella braverman accused the met police of double standards to its policing of protests . policing of protests. >> however, labour themselves are not out of the spotlight. as sir keir starmer is facing an ever more difficult battle to keep his party united. cd after several of his own mps tried to force a commons vote on a ceasefire in gaza . ceasefire in gaza. >> and we'll also have the latest from israel as they claim that they have taken over a hamas stronghold in northern gaza after a ten hour battle. an israeli spokesman person will update us shortly . update us shortly. >> and if you're a mum or even a dad, would you pay over £200 for