live with pip thompson gb news live with pip thompson and tom harwood. coming up this lunchtime, labour has accused the home secretary of quote , the home secretary of quote, encouraging extremists on all sides and attacks the police when she should be backing them. >> that's coming after suella braverman accused the met police of double standards to its policing of protests . policing of protests. >> however, labour themselves are not out of the spotlight. as sir keir starmer is facing an ever more difficult battle to keep his party united. cd after several of his own mps tried to force a commons vote on a ceasefire in gaza . ceasefire in gaza. >> and we'll also have the latest from israel as they claim that they have taken over a hamas stronghold in northern gaza after a ten hour battle. an israeli spokesman person will update us shortly . update us shortly. >> and if you're a mum or even a dad, would you pay over £200 for

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cooper has accused ms braverman of encouraging extremists. >> she is deliberately inflaming community tensions in the most dangerous of ways. she is encouraging extremists on all sides, attacking the police when she should be backing them. it is highly irresponsible and dangerous and no other home secretary would ever have done this. >> i'd idf soldiers uncovered tunnel shafts and seized weapon caches when they took control of a hamas outpost in northern gaza. they say it took ten hours of fighting to take control of the military stronghold in western jabalya , some 80 western jabalya, some 80 countries and international organised nations will meet in paris today to discuss ways of getting humanitarian aid to people in gaza . health people in gaza. health authorities from both the palestine and israeli sides claim over 12,000 people have died in the conflict . the

died in the conflict. the foreign secretaries in saudi arabia, as part of a diplomatic effort to continue to prevent the middle east crisis spiralling into a wider war. he's holding high level talks with regional counterparts in efforts to avoid escalation and work towards a two state solution for israel and palestine . the supreme court is palestine. the supreme court is set to give its decision on whether a government plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda is lawful . the court of appeal is lawful. the court of appeal ruled in june the plan to deport those seeking asylum to the east african nation was unlawful. the home office challenged that ruling last month. the decision on the challenge is expected to be made on wednesday . the nhs be made on wednesday. the nhs waiting list in england has hit a record high, with more people facing delays of more than a year and a half. nhs england found the wait list increased to just over 7.5 million at the end of september. officials say it's made up of 6.5 million patients, with some waiting for more than one treatment. the overall list

is now nearly 3.5 million higher than it was before the covid pandemic . dame priti patel will pandemic. dame priti patel will give evidence that the covid inquiry today. the former home secretary is likely to face questions about her approach to controlling the border and policing of lockdown rules. dame priti lobbied for stricter border controls in the early stages of the pandemic in an attempt to prevent the virus reaching the uk. she was overruled. an independent inquiry into a channel crossing tragedy where at least 27 people died has been launched . the died has been launched. the incident happened after an inflatable migrant boat capsized inflatable migrant boat capsized in november 2021. an investigation will now take place into the circle . instances place into the circle. instances of the deaths, which included a pregnant woman and three children on. it follows the publication of a report by the marine accident investigation branch, which found the boat was wholly unsuitable and ill equipped . a 14 year old boy has equipped. a 14 year old boy has been charged with murder over

the fatal stabbing of 15 year old alfie lewis . alfie was old alfie lewis. alfie was attacked in the horsforth area of leeds on tuesday afternoon as children were leaving to nearby schools . the 14 year old will schools. the 14 year old will appearin schools. the 14 year old will appear in court , also charged appear in court, also charged with possession of a knife . with possession of a knife. alfie's family say he was 1 in 1,000,000 and had the biggest heart . new rules have been heart. new rules have been unveiled for children's safety online, including limiting direct messages to protect them from groomers . it's direct messages to protect them from groomers. it's part of ofcom's codes of practice under the online safety act, which was signed into law a week ago. the largest platforms will be required to put measures in place, including blocking children from being a suggested friend code and blocking people outside their agreed connections from direct messaging . this is from direct messaging. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to pip and . tom

and. tom >> a very good afternoon and welcome to gb news live . welcome to gb news live. >> labour has accused home secretary suella braverman of encouraging extremists on all sides and attacking the police when she should be backing them . when she should be backing them. >> the shadow home secretary , >> the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, was granted an urgent question in the commons on the operation independence of the metropolitan police. >> policing minister chris philp said the pro—palestinian protesters that's attended by tens of thousands of protesters in recent weeks have largely passed without significant incident . incident. >> but she is deliberately inflaming community tensions. remembrance events are really important to all of us. those events need to be protected and thatis events need to be protected and that is the job of the police to enforce, to respect the law, maintaining public safety. tackling hate, crime and extremism . and respecting rights extremism. and respecting rights in law to peaceful protest and they have to follow the law and they have to follow the law and the evidence. whatever politicians think, not be the

operational arm of the home secretary . secretary. >> i don't think it's acceptable that our fellow citizens feel scared or uneasy walking about the streets of london. and it is reasonable for politicians, the prime minister, the home secretary and others, i'm sure some on the other side of the house as well, to raise those concerns and make sure that the police are protecting those communities, members of our own community are feeling scared this weekend. let's keep that at the front of mind, not party the front of our mind, not party political scoring. well political point scoring. well this all comes ahead of pro—palestinian groups planning to march on armistice day and appeared to be set to go ahead despite government objections . despite government objections. >> let's discuss this further now with gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . ian, hello to you, nelson. ian, hello to you, nigel. good afternoon. what do you think ? you think? >> suella bravermans game plan here is. >> is she on a mission to get herself sacked ? herself sacked? >> well, i think she's on a mission to become the next

leader of the tory party and that's the reason for doing what she's doing. the question about whether or not she should be sacked is obviously down to rishi sunak . and that causes a rishi sunak. and that causes a problem when rishi sunak loses the next election , he will the next election, he will obviously have to quit suella braverman in order to run for the leadership. after that . the the leadership. after that. the danger of sacking him is that you might mount a challenge before then, before the next election . and so for rishi sunak election. and so for rishi sunak is a very what he does about her. >> nigel it is interesting. we've been hearing this morning from allies of the home secretary that the content article that appeared in the times that she wrote was sent to number 10, was sent back. but in the last few minutes we've had word from the official spokesperson of the prime minister that, quote, the article was not cleared with number 10. that's coming from the prime minister's official spokesperson in the last few

minutes. and we're hearing that there'll be a further update from number 10 later on today. okay. this is an enormous rift now between the prime minister and his home secretary >> yes. what it seems to have happenedis >> yes. what it seems to have happened is that the article was sent to number 10 for approval . sent to number 10 for approval. number 10 came back the number of amendments to it, quite rightly so. i mean, some of them absolutely appalling, especially when she talked about comparison with northern ireland. it seems like that suella braverman decided not to make those amendments . it's that, of amendments. it's that, of course, is a sacking offence. so it rather depends on how strong rishi sunak feels about whether he goes through with it and gets rid of her. and as i've just said , he's got to bear in mind said, he's got to bear in mind that if she's on the backbenches, she could be even more wild . more wild. >> talking about back benches. can we read anything into the fact that there's only been a

couple of tory backbenchers who have defended her in the commons over this in century article ? over this in century article? >> yes, the majority of reasonable tory mps and in fairness to them, most of them are reasonable , are absolutely are reasonable, are absolutely appalled by the language that suella braverman has been using . suella braverman has been using. but she repeats again in her times article that these are hate markers. the idea of comparing it with northern ireland is just just ridiculous and dangerous . what was and dangerous. what was happening in northern ireland was a civil war on uk streets and marches there had the potential of causing shootings and bombings and that's why some of those were banned. we're nowhere near that near that here. it also is undermining, sir mark rowley's ability to police this demonstration when he's getting unhelpful noises off from his own boss, the home

secretary >> nigel, these are extraordinary developments we're seeing this morning . and your seeing this morning. and your interpretation is that this update further that we might hear today from the prime minister's spokesman, from number 10 could be an update on the future of the home secretary. are we really sitting here thinking that the home secretary could lose her job secretary could lose herjob today? is it that serious ? yes. today? is it that serious? yes. >> yes, it is. that serious. and i think that the word very much is actually could lose her job. is actually could lose herjob. whether rishi sunak will go that far, we'll have to see. but if you've got a cabinet minister who accepts collective responsibility , i.e, putting an responsibility, i.e, putting an article through number 10 as they are required to do, and then not making the amendments, that number 10 asks for, that is a sacking offence . what about nigel? >> the timing of this though, if indeed he does sack because we now know that next wednesday day

the supreme court will rule on government's rwanda policy. so this would be quite dodgy timing , wouldn't it, for suella braverman to go ? braverman to go? >> it would be, but it's timing of suella braverman choice. she must know that interventions like this are not only unhelpful, but actually stoke up and inflame what is going on at the weekend. so she has chosen to do that. i think it does come down to very much about just how strong the prime minister feels in his position, whether he takes action against her. >> just finally, nigel, isn't it the case that suella braverman speaks for a huge proportion of the conservative coalition in a huge proportion of voters that frankly, the prime minister cannot afford to lose? these are people that he needs to be winning back, not losing. if he's with any any hope of winning the next election , winning the next election, frankly, didn't the home secretary's article reflect a lot of that opinion? the feeling

in much of the country that the police take sides on these protests and behave very differently towards far right marches than they do towards islamist marches, for example ? islamist marches, for example? >> well well, no, i think that is actually complete nonsense. what she's saying there that what the metropolitan police commissioner, mark rowley is saying is hear parliament make the law. the police are there to actually to police them quite rightly. and this march on saturday has not met the threshold of causing the kind of disorder that would require it to be banned . now that i think to be banned. now that i think most people would actually accept the police should be operationally independent. they're not a political arm of the home office. and so when suella braverman comes out with comments like this , the people comments like this, the people will recognise that she is stoking up problems rather than calming them down. >> okay, gb news is senior

political commentator nigel nelson. thanks very much for your analysis on that. well, let's talk to legal commentator josh rosenberg, who can join us now. good afternoon to you . is now. good afternoon to you. is suella braverman stoking up division here with this article? >> well, look at what she said. >> well, look at what she said. >> i think this is the key paragraph. if she says i do not believe that these marches are merely a cry for help for gaza, they are . they are an assertion they are. they are an assertion of primacy by certain groups, particularly islamists, of the kind we are more used to seeing in northern ireland. also disturbingly reminiscent of ulster, are the reports that some of saturday's march group or saturday's march group organiser have links to terrorist groups , including terrorist groups, including hamas. now now she talks about islamists. she talks about links to terrorist groups. she obviously has evidence for that. >> it's the comparison with northern ireland, which has clearly concerned a lot of people. >> nobody's said that before.

and yes, she is obviously skating on very thin ice. as your political commentator has said, it is extra ordinary that we are sitting here in the position whereby why we're talking now seriously about the prime minister, perhaps about to fire someone who holds one of the great offices of state. >> is it really that level of consequence for an article like this? >> well, it can be, because as your commentator nigel has explained, it's all about collective responsibility. >> if you are in the cabinet, you must follow the party line literally . and if you are literally. and if you are choosing to go off on what lawyers call a frolic of your own, if you are simply taking your own path down this very sensitive area , of course you're sensitive area, of course you're going to upset the prime minister and as we've seen, as you've heard, he rishi sunak has got to decide whether to assert his authority . i got to decide whether to assert his authority. i mean, got to decide whether to assert his authority . i mean, there's his authority. i mean, there's always somebody who can serve as home secretary. suella braverman, retired and resigned as attorney general. previously

you know, there are there are . you know, there are there are. she resigned certainly for a while . and then she was while. and then she was reinstated in the government after a few days. >> wasn't the point, though. there that her reinstatement, which took a lot of westminster by surprise, was because rishi sunak he needed allies sunak felt like he needed allies on right the party he'd on the right of the party he'd lost to liz truss. he became prime minister without an election. needs the support election. he needs the support of like suella braverman. of people like suella braverman. otherwise loses a huge chunk otherwise he loses a huge chunk of his coalition. >> that's perfectly true, but equally he presumably doesn't particularly want somebody who refers quite specifically to islamists and groups that have links to terrorist groups. he's going to upset a considerable number of people in this country if he allows her to say that. so he's got to balance these politically is not partly the job of the home secretary to calm everything down. >> she knows exactly what has been going on this week in terms of the debate surrounding this

this armistice day protest or peace march , as some people are peace march, as some people are calling it, and all she's done is to potentially inflame these tensions and made it a heck of a lot more difficult for the police . police. >> i think that's perfectly fair. i mean, the crucial point about her times article is she accepts this. the position that the met police commissioner, sir mark rowley, is in, in that it is his decision. mark rowley, is in, in that it is his decision . and she says at is his decision. and she says at the beginning we pride ourselves on our long established traditions of freedom of expression , even the right to expression, even the right to protest is a cornerstone of democracy only in the most exceptional circumstances do the authorities step in. so in that sense, she is saying exactly what the police commissioner said he says, we haven't got to the exceptional circumstances which justify him stepping in. >> i mean, she just seems to when you look at the article, she seems to generalise. she talks about poppy sellers being mobbed. well, we saw poppy sellers surrounded by protesters , but we don't actually know

whether those poppy sellers were forced walk away or felt forced to walk away or felt intimidated. forced to walk away or felt intimidated . we also when you intimidated. we also when you look at the photo, they were not being mobbed. and there's been poppy being mobbed. and there's been poppy sellers today that are saying we are still going to go to train stations, we are still going to sell poppies. they're not intimidated enough stay not intimidated enough to stay away it. i think suella away from it. i think suella braverman is right to refer to a great deal of unease and it goes much further than that among many people, particularly the jewish community, but many others as well, at the sort of things that have been said in this march . this march. >> and one of the things that she says very clearly is the police got to deal with police have got to deal with disorder . they've got to make disorder. they've got to make arrests, got to deal arrests, they've got to deal with who break law . with people who break the law. and deny that and nobody would deny that exactly they it, whether exactly how they do it, whether they people out of a crowd, they pull people out of a crowd, whether they take pictures of people then summons people and then summons them later, obviously later, is obviously an operational matter for the police. she's say that police. she's right to say that the police must do their job and the police must do theirjob and she actually saying in she isn't actually saying in this piece that they were wrong when they said that they were

not to ban the procession, not going to ban the procession, which is due to take place on saturday. >> just finally, she does also make a comparison in this article between the way that the police attend some protests versus others. she particularly points out the black lives matter protests over the summer of 2020 that occurred during lockdown and people were not arrested simply for gathering then, whereas other gatherings, of were arrested. of course, people were arrested. do there's legitimate do you think there's legitimate see, in this idea of a two tier justice system, i've heard a lot of people assert that i've never heard a home secretary assert that. >> and your broad point that she perhaps taking side perhaps shouldn't be taking side on these matters is , i think, on these matters is, i think, a very fair one. some people think that what's happened is very disturbing and damaging and intimate dating and frightening. some people think that the police are treating people differently. the police would say we're simply trying to keep the warring sides apart. we're allowing people to let off steam. we're trying to make sure that it doesn't clash with other matters. we're keeping them away

from we're keeping from the cenotaph. we're keeping the timing different. that's how from the cenotaph. we're keeping the police different. that's how from the cenotaph. we're keeping the police normally. that's how from the cenotaph. we're keeping the police normally operate.|ow from the cenotaph. we're keeping the police normally operate. and you're absolutely right to say it make it any easier it doesn't make it any easier when secretary when the home secretary intervenes in this way. >> i think former met >> i think a former met assistant commissioner has said that now the that ministers are now on the verge behaving uncon verge of behaving uncon constitutionally. that constitutionally. are we at that point constitutionally. are we at that poiiwell, the constitution is >> well, the constitution is very flexible. that's the great thing about the british constitution. you make up as constitution. you make it up as you i think that a lot you go along. i think that a lot of people are surprised that somebody in her position, as you say, home secretary , great say, home secretary, great office of state, behaves in this way. slightly more worrying when she says things like this when she says things like this when she general. she is she was attorney general. she is entitled to what she thinks. entitled to say what she thinks. but the prime minister is entitled to that's not entitled to say that's not government policy and perhaps out go. well we really out you go. well we really appreciate your contribution to this discussion . this discussion. >> thank you for coming in. not at all. >> essentially, a belligerent home secretary, but not as belligerent as winston churchill when secretary and when he was home secretary and attended one these protests attended one of these protests going police to attack going on the police to attack the the 1920s.

the protesters in the 1920s. i don't we're quite at that don't think we're quite at that point but you're with gb point yet, but you're with gb news live with pip tomson and me, harwood. we've got me, tom harwood. we've got plenty more to bring you in just a so don't go anywhere .

>> breakfast with eamonn and isabel, monday to thursdays from six till 930 . welcome back. six till 930. welcome back. >> now, earlier this morning, pro—palestine protesters scaled the roof of the scottish parliament. >> yeah, we hope to be able to

show you some pictures of this protester has hung a banner from holyrood calling for the uk government to stop providing arms to israel . now it comes as arms to israel. now it comes as the scottish green party also called for a halt to arms sales to israel. it involved five protesters climbing up the awning outside the main entrance , displaying the flag and it was happened just before first minister's questions at midday. but the group of protesters who climbed the scottish parliament at do say that they are not part of an organisation . ian police of an organisation. ian police scotland say they are aware of the protest and officers are in attendance. >> well we'll try and get those pictures to you a little bit later in the program, but in the meantime, fighting between the israeli military and hamas has been continuing overnight with israel claiming to have taken a hamas strike hold in northern gaza after a bitter ten hour battle. >> meanwhile, french president emmanuel macron has called for a humanitarian pause in the

fighting , which follows the fighting, which follows the israeli military's decision to reopen an evacuation road that allows civilians to move from northern gaza to the south after the rafah crossing between egypt and gaza was closed today . and gaza was closed today. >> well, let's try and make sense of all of this. delighted to be able to speak to avi heiman, who is live in israel for us. and avi , thank you for for us. and avi, thank you for joining us this afternoon. first of all, just to make sense of what has been happening on the ground in gaza, how far has the idf now incurred into that territory . territory. >> so i can't tell you specific mix of operations. >> so i can't tell you specific mix of operations . what i can mix of operations. what i can tell you is what's already being reported, which is that we have encircled gaza city. we are closing in on on hamas. and again, reiterate our mission, the mission of the war is to dismantle hamas , to dismantle dismantle hamas, to dismantle their war machine , to dismantle

their war machine, to dismantle their war machine, to dismantle their government so that never again can they perpetrate the type of atrocities that they did to our people on october 7th, breaking through our borders, going from house to house, butchering people, killing babies in their cots with automatic fire, beheading babies , killing children in front of their in front of their parents, parents in front of their children, raping and dragging those bodies through gaza city as trophies, human trophies is our message is very clear. >> we're going after hamas . >> we're going after hamas. >> we're going after hamas. >> we're going to free gaza. >> we're going to free gaza. >> of hamas and that is what's happening now. >> you are a spokesperson from for the israeli government. i just wondered whether you can shed any light on the suggestion of a possible ceasefire for perhaps 1 or 2 days as that might allow the release of hostages . is that true? what has

hostages. is that true? what has been suggested . been suggested. >> so there's a lot of psychological warfare out there from hamas, a barbaric terrorist organisation . what . we sorry, organisation. what. we sorry, there's a bit of an echo on the on the line . on the line. >> apologies for that. there's a lot of psychological able to continue. i'd really appreciate it that that's much better. >> thank you . there's a lot of >> thank you. there's a lot of psychological warfare out there. what we're saying is there won't be a ceasefire until we can ensure the end of hamas, until we can ensure that our hostages , we can ensure that our hostages, those 240 hostages, including men, women, children, toddler and even babies, baby, a baby as young as nine months old, are brought home, are free. what what is being discussed potentially is these pauses, like you say now , we've had like you say now, we've had pauses in the past to free those two terrorists, those sorry , two terrorists, those sorry,

those two hostages that were freed in the beginning. then there was another two pauses and temporary pauses is okay. there's also temporary pauses been going on to allow gazans to move south. we've called on all of the citizens in gaza to move south through those humanitarian corridors, through the safer zones. corridors, through the safer zones . and that has happened . zones. and that has happened. we've seen that there's some dramatic pictures that we've seen of israeli soldiers protecting young gazan civilians that want to move out of the crossfire , because, again, our crossfire, because, again, our fight is with hamas. >> what do you say to those who protest in the united kingdom and in some other countries as well? most recently in the last hour or so, protesters scaling the scottish parliament unveiling a banner saying stop arming israel. do you have a message to those protesters in scotland? no doubt in london

this weekend. and right across the united kingdom, you . the united kingdom, you. >> yeah, it's very worrying to see a lot of these protests this conflict is black and white as black and white as the isis flags that we found among some of those terrorists that came to butcher our people on october seventh. so if you're through the streets of london or edinburgh chanting things like from the to river the sea, palestine will be free. what you're ultimately saying and maybe people don't understand this is you're calling for the genocide , a genocide in israel. genocide, a genocide in israel. you're calling for the total eradication of the state of israel, and you're backing an organisation that's created , organisation that's created, that's charter calls for the destruction of israel and the calls to kill jews everywhere . calls to kill jews everywhere. so as long as people understand what side of history they're on, you know, protest away . but i am you know, protest away. but i am very concerned at the sites

we're seeing. and i'd go one further. i would say that, you know, people that are that are that much against the state of israel likely don't like britain very much either. but avi, for some people it isn't black and white because although they absolutely accept what happened on october the seventh was barbaric , the more that this barbaric, the more that this death toll in gaza increases , death toll in gaza increases, which we understand now is well into into at least 10,000 people, many of them children . people, many of them children. >> and that is where israel starts to lose people's sympathy right . right. >> so i'd ask your viewers to be very cautious when listening to numbers coming from the hamas run health ministry. again, these are the same people that were beheading babies just a couple of weeks ago. these are the same people with an interest of inflating the numbers and the same people that are hiding behind their people while committing a double war crime of shooting at civilians from deep within civilian populations and

even under civilian population . even under civilian population. >> i appreciate what you say about being careful about numbers and absolutely, we can't verify it , but we can see the verify it, but we can see the images coming out of gaza. we can see the hell hole that civilians are in right. >> right. i mean, every civilian life is a tragedy. and israel is doing its utmost to ensure that we target the hamas terrorists , we target the hamas terrorists, which i believe we're doing. we're killing a lot of hamas terrorists and we're minimising civilian casualties like any other army would do . but other army would do. but unfortunately, in every war, there are civilian deaths. and there are civilian deaths. and there hasn't been a case in modern warfare where there wasn't . what i will tell you wasn't. what i will tell you about some of the images that i'm seeing, i saw images just yesterday of a hamas missile launching site for inside a youth centre in sound, inside a boy scout centre. it was scouting insignia on the wall and there were missiles out of the window. i saw a children playground. you see the seesaw

on one side, the swings on the other side and bang in the middle . missile launches. other side and bang in the middle . missile launches . and we middle. missile launches. and we saw our military uncovered a missile factory just yesterday , missile factory just yesterday, um, just underneath a children's bedroom. you see exactly where they've been manufacturing these missiles over 9000 missiles have been fired at our civilian population . and you see where population. and you see where they've made those missiles just above you see a beautiful girl's bedroom , you know, outfitted in bedroom, you know, outfitted in pink . this is this is pink. this is this is unacceptable. we ask people to have moral clarity at this time and understand that israel is doing what any country would do if they're under the type of attack that we're under now . attack that we're under now. >> avi hyman, spokesperson for the israeli government, thank you so much for your perspective. and those those comments, they're really important to get both sides of this crisis . this crisis. >> of course, do stay with us. we're going to be talking about

the cost of living crisis, which is rumbling on standards is rumbling on living standards in britain are set to remain at levels seen not seen since the pre financial crash in 2006. first, let's get your headlines with tatiana . bibb. with tatiana. bibb. >> thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest. downing street says the prime minister did not clear suella braverman article accusing the police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters. in piece, the home secretary in the piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestinian rallies to go ahead on armistice day . to go ahead on armistice day. number 10, says rishi sunak still has full confidence in the home secretary. liberal democrats leader sir ed davey is calling for the prime minister to sack her over her claims . to sack her over her claims. rishi sunak met the met the police commissioner yesterday saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable while the labour leader has backed the police force across the country.

>> think we see people who are >> i think we see people who are reasonable, who are moderate and who would always want to support the police in making difficult decisions in difficult circumstances . and that's what circumstances. and that's what you get with an incoming labour government . if we're privileged government. if we're privileged to come to in serve what you've got at the moment, it is the complete opposite . a home complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive, who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police . undermining the police. >> arrests have been made after the cenotaph in rochdale was sprayed with free palestine graffiti across its base . graffiti across its base. greater manchester police said poppies were removed from the war memorial on tuesday afternoon. it's currently a crime scene. two male teenagers are being questioned by police and a group of protesters have scaled scottish parliament to hang a banner and palestinian flag . the group of five climbed

flag. the group of five climbed up the outside of the main entrance, draping a banner which reads stop arming israel . police reads stop arming israel. police have cordoned off the area underneath, but business in parliament is continuing. police said they're aware of the protest and officers are in attendance . you can get more on attendance. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com .

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news is. welcome back. >> now real pay has not grown for 17 years. that's according to economists at pwc , which to economists at pwc, which predicts that living standards in britain will remain at levels they were at before the financial crash in 2006, and high energy bills are a big part of the reason for those stagnant living standards. >> the labour party claims that the new plans in the king's speech won't help british households stay struggling with high bills . high bills. >> joining us is liam halligan , >> joining us is liam halligan, our economics and business editor to discuss all this with on the money . liam there was on the money. liam there was nothing positive in any of that , nothing positive in any of that, but there is some positive economic news out there and i'll pepper what i'm about to say with some little glimmers of light. >> look, there's lots and lots of economic data out at the moment , and of economic data out at the moment, and this is the way it's

going to be until the general election. the general election could be in a year's time. it could be in a year's time. it could be in a year's time. it could be before or it's going to be about the economy. and both parties cranky up their parties are cranky up their economic messages and other organisations are producing data in order to make that happen. let's have a look at some data now i want to talk first about the uk high street. we know that in a lot of cities and particularly our towns, high particularly our towns, the high streets these particularly our towns, the high streets are these particularly our towns, the high streets are from these particularly our towns, the high streets are from the these particularly our towns, the high streets are from the british figures are from the british retail consortium. they show that sales across the that retail sales across the country were up 2.5% in october compared to october 2022. it doesn't sound bad, but that's slower than the 2.7% growth that we saw in september. and it's below tom and pip, the 12 month average. so over the last 12 months that increase has averaged 4.2. so you can see that retail sales are slowing down. and here's the kicker . all down. and here's the kicker. all these numbers are what we call nominal numbers. they're before inflation. and if you add inflation, inflation is 6.7% on

the latest data . so you can see the latest data. so you can see there that the value view of high street sales in the uk has actually fallen in what we call real terms . that's after real terms. that's after inflation and that's not a great sign. so what else do we know in the last 24 hours there's been a couple of important economic events. there's a big think tank in in central london, in westminster, completely cross party. it's been around since the 1950s. it's called the national institute of economic and social research. it's not as well known as the institute for fiscal studies, but it's probably more august. it doesn't say things very often, and it's full independent economists full of independent economists and what are the national institutes saying in their latest report? they're saying, we've another graphic. we've got another graphic. they're saying that interest rates quite rates have peaked. that's quite important . they rates have peaked. that's quite important. they judging that important. they are judging that the england will now not the bank of england will now not raise interest rates any more. so they're going to be peaking at 5.25% where they currently are. the move are. so the next move in interest rates down. that's interest rates is down. that's quite a good bit quite that's that's a good bit of you've of news. if you've got a mortgage or personal debts, the

national also saying national institutes also saying that will be 7% that wage growth will be 7% roughly in 2023 and 2024. >> that's above inflation. >> that's above inflation. >> that's above inflation. >> that's that's above inflation. but what they're also saying, the national institute , saying, the national institute, thatis saying, the national institute, that is that half of uk households , their pay and their households, their pay and their broader household income won't hit pre pandemic levels of 2019 levels. 2020 was the first year of the lockdown, of course, until 2026. that is the impact of lockdown . and then as you of lockdown. and then as you too, pointed out at the top of this item, you also talked about this item, you also talked about this report from pwc as pricewaterhousecoopers, one of the big accounting firms. they're saying pricewaterhousecoopers , if you pricewaterhousecoopers, if you add in everything that's happened since the global financial crisis, which was 2008, 2009, the income squeeze is the fact we've had quantitative easing, which has lowered interest payments that people have got on their savings pwc are saying that household incomes won't recover, that basically we're still at 2006

levels in terms of household incomes. so we're yet to fully recover from the global financial crisis, which is an astonishing state of affairs. this really matters. >> this is a general question now that has not seen increasing living standards ever since before the second world war. we expect each new generation would be richer than the one that became before it. and now we're seeing potentially for the first time since the industrial revolution will have a generation for which that is not true. >> that's exactly right. the natural order of things. is that your kids are better off than you. that's kind of the british dream. that's what keeps politics moderate because people think , well, at least my kids think, well, at least my kids will better than me if i work will do better than me if i work hard and we do the right thing. tom, you and i have talked about this a lot. today's generation of 34 year olds, they're of 25 to 34 year olds, they're paying of 25 to 34 year olds, they're paying more for their housing, whether renting or whether they're renting or paying whether they're renting or paying a mortgage. and they're less own their own less likely to own their own home generation since home than any generation since the 19 30305.

home than any generation since the 19 3030s. and know i've write and talk about this all the time . i don't think the the time. i don't think the media gives it nearly as as much attention as we should. these economic issues, which people really care about, and it is the case that we are yet to recover. i mean, gdp overall, the whole economy , we're back to economy, we're back to pre—pandemic levels , but actual pre—pandemic levels, but actual household incomes in real terms, adjusted for inflation, often aren't. and this is why politics has become so venal. so so contestable, so bad tempered because the cake is getting smaller . so it's harder to cut smaller. so it's harder to cut the cake in a way that pleases everybody. >> so when people say , as i keep >> so when people say, as i keep hearing, oh well, interest rates in my day were double figures, is that an argument that is completely flawed? okay >> again, i've said this on gb news at least ten times, and i'll say it again interest rates in the late 80s, early 90s. yeah, they were 1,215. but houses were much, much cheaper

as a share of national income back then the average home was 4 or 5 times the average annual income. okay, now the average home is 8 to 10 times the average annual income . so tom's average annual income. so tom's generation, who have got mortgages that are like three, four, five, 6, okay, they're paying four, five, 6, okay, they're paying a much, much higher share of their take home pay on their mortgages than my generation was when we were paying mortgages at ten, 11, 12. why because the houses that they're buying are so much more expensive compared to their average income. so the share of income on their housing is higher. so when you hear , you is higher. so when you hear, you know, your uncle in the corner in the pub saying, oh, my day, we say we didn't avocado sandwiches or go to ibiza and we managed to buy a house. utter rubbish because this generation of kids are paying a lot more for their housing even at today's relatively low rate of interest. and guess what? i'm not saying it's going to happen if interest rates go up even more. the squeeze on them is

going to become even tighter. yeah, a borrowed £50,000 yeah, 12% on a borrowed £50,000 is less than 6% on is a lot less than 6% on a borrowed £500,000. >> exactly right . >> exactly right. >> exactly right. >> yeah. i will pass your number on next time i'm in the pub. thank you, liam. well much, much more to come in the show. >> of course, we'll be talking through hundreds of volunteers and armed forces personnel from the royal navy. british army and royal air force are in manchester to raise money for the royal british legion's poppy appeal. >> they'll be handing out poppies and collecting donations at transport hubs and offices throughout the city in the biggest street collection of its kind outside london. well our north—west of england. >> reporter sophie reaper is in manchester for us today . and manchester for us today. and sophie, i see you've got a guest with you. take it away . i have indeed. >> joining me is bernard morgan. who? bernard you were the youngest sergeant , i believe, youngest sergeant, i believe, who landed on d—day on gold beach. is that correct? that's correct , yes. tell me about the

correct, yes. tell me about the day you landed on d—day. talk to me a bit about what happened. well the weather, we'd sailed all the way from felixstowe on the east coast to the isle of wight on the south coast. >> and on that journey , the >> and on that journey, the weather was very, very rough . weather was very, very rough. and as a result, d—day. i should have originally been on the 5th of june, but because of the bad weather, it was put back to the 6th of june when we got to the isle of wight, codenamed piccadilly circus, the harbourmaster there told our captain we couldn't stop there because there were hundreds of other craft coming in. so he sent us off to normandy. we couldn't do any code and cypher him because to operate our machine, which was called a typex machine, we had to be on dry land and have power from generators supplied by the army .

generators supplied by the army. and we were anchored off normandy on the night of the 5th of june. and i was a youngest sergeant and i got all the odd jobs , including money in a bren jobs, including money in a bren gun on the landing ship tank for two hours. they enemy aircraft were flying overhead, but they weren't low enough to fire up and back . back of us were our and back. back of us were our battleship ships, including hms belfast, firing at the atlantic wall. the atlantic wall was firing back and sadly , some of firing back and sadly, some of the shells from the atlantic wall were dropping short and landing on the vessels waiting to go ashore , which was a 25 to go ashore, which was a 25 mile stretch along the normandy coast . and you look down and you coast. and you look down and you saw some of the landing craft going up in smoke because some

of the shells had been made by slave labourers in germany, and they'd not made them properly on purpose. we didn't know this at the time. and they were dropping short instead of going to ten miles to hit our battleships, they were dropping on the landing craft and that was a sad sight to see. we didn't land. the army went in at 5:00 in the morning and we didn't land until 6:30 in the afternoon . and we 6:30 in the afternoon. and we were in our vehicle , which was were in our vehicle, which was like a mobile classroom carrying two to typex machines , which two to typex machines, which were very heavy machine guns. two, four men to lift them . the two, four men to lift them. the keyboard was like a present day computer router and to decode the messages we were receiving messages when we got on land.

the wireless operators were giving us messages which they had received in groups of five scrambled letters . and i was a scrambled letters. and i was a typist in civilian life and whenever i went on watch, i always got the decoding job because the quicker you could decode the message, the quicker the air force could get the aircraft where they are . the aircraft where they are. the army wanted them . we had an army army wanted them. we had an army officer based with us, bernard that's his story. >> so fascinating. bernard and i have met previously and hearing his full story is so , so his full story is so, so fascinating. and that just shows exactly why the work done by the royal british legion during the poppy royal british legion during the poppy appeal is so, so important. it's supporting veterans like bernard and our current veterans as well. so if you can make sure you support the poppy appeal this year, sophia, i hope bernard won't be offended, just i'd love to offended, but i just i'd love to know how old is bernard ? bernard know how old is bernard? bernard they're asking me how old you

are. would you would you mind revealing to the nation how old you are? oh yeah. that's amazing. >> thank you. i should be 100 in february. i'll be well, so there you go. >> he's 99 years old, but i think you're very well kept for 99. bernard, you'd never know. >> oh, he's absolutely fantastic. >> that's right, sydney legg. and when i was younger, i used to do a lot of track running. >> no wonder you're still so fit, then. there you go. track runner. so he said his only problem is arthritis in his knee. well, there's the secret to it. >> 90. scene 43. and i specialised in the one mile the world record was for six mile was for 16. >> well, there you go. almost a world record holder . sir world record holder. sir bernard, thank you so much for your time. honestly, amazing speaking to you . speaking to you. >> i would love to see a picture of bernard in his youth as well when he was serving. oh, absolutely. >> and many, many happy returns for february, which actually

isn't that far away now. >> it's not, is it? 99 years old? if all you've got is a bit of a bit of arthritis in your leg, i think you're okay. >> well, finally >> absolutely. well, finally this , today is the final this hour, today is the final day of the guardian versus the home office tribunal over royal secure city costs. >> the guardian is challenging the government's refusal to tell the government's refusal to tell the public how taxpayer the public how much taxpayer money spent on protecting the money is spent on protecting the king the royal family. so, king and the royal family. so, cameron, we don't have a huge amount time. cameron walker, amount of time. cameron walker, our correspondent, give our royal correspondent, give us the headlines, rattle it through. >> the cost of royal >> so the true cost of royal protection always remained protection has always remained a secret. the government is challenging the i'm sorry, the guardian challenging the home office they to office because they refuse to give information under give you information under a freedom information request. freedom of information request. now, the key points are the guardian . the home office is guardian. the home office is saying that any potential attackers would a mosaic of attackers would gain a mosaic of information if the costs were released to the public, which would a substantial step in would be a substantial step in increasing the risk of an attack. and there'll be valuable new in other words, new inferences in other words, educated guesses. the attackers could make if they have access to the finance of all of this.

the guardian's casey stephen cragg. in return , is basically cragg. in return, is basically saying that as long as the information is generalised, there's nothing significant that could be given to potential attackers that would increase the likelihood of an attack. and it's in the public interest for us to have an informed discussion about the monarchy, because at the moment we know the grants are the the sovereign grants are the taxpayers funds the taxpayers money that funds the government. the monarchy is around million but around £86 million a year, but that not include the that does not include the security bill. so the tribunal is continuing today. but of course, royal family has an course, the royal family has an effective of around 90% effective tax rate of around 90% on the crown estate, which is where they get their sovereign grant money from. >> so i suppose if we were to count whatever the security bill is against the crown estate profits and the tax that the uk gets from that, the billions in tax, believe from that, it's tax, i believe from that, it's surely going to be less than that. >> i suppose the argument would be the percentage of be that the percentage of the crown used to crown estate profits used to fund the sovereign grant is normally on a normal year, 15. but course it would be but of course it would be perhaps argument be

perhaps the argument would be a lot you also included lot higher if you also included the that the the security bill that the metropolitan police is paid to protect the royal family. so i suppose that's the argument that the guardian is making. >> how long is this likely to last for? >> today is the final so >> so today is the final day, so we should an answer. in we should have an answer. in theory by the end of the day, whether are going to whether judges are going to order home office to release order the home office to release that financial information. but order the home office to release thwould ncial information. but order the home office to release thwould beal information. but order the home office to release thwould be a information. but order the home office to release thwould be a huge nation. but order the home office to release thwould be a huge nati0|because it would be a huge step because government security government ministers security bills, very much bills, that's also very much secret. but that is in contrast to united states, because to the united states, because the security bill the presidential security bill is very much public. so it's a bit of a difference between the uk and the united states. >> it's curious that the guardian is going after the royal but going royal family, but not going after politicians for the after the politicians for the security bill. well, they might do win this case. do if they win this case. >> open a can of >> yeah, it could open a can of worms with royals. well. worms with the royals. well. well, guardian's argument well, the guardian's argument is that family that the royal family is shrouded in secrecy and they're far accountable than far less accountable than government ministers, and therefore, informs public therefore, it informs the public debate around whether or not we should have a monarchy in the first place. that's what first place. i think that's what the they want to start

the guardian they want to start that conversation. the guardian they want to start that would ;ation. the guardian they want to start that would suggest to the >> i would suggest to the guardian more to guardian they're more likely to be to get rid of a be able to get rid of a politician than they would the king. but there we go. it seems like their priorities are are in the rather the political. >> stay us here on gb >> do stay with us here on gb news live. plenty to come , news live. plenty more to come, including labour accusing the home secretary of encouraging extremists on all sides .

good afternoon. thanks for being with us. it is 1:00 and you're with us. it is 1:00 and you're with gb live with pip tomson and tom harwood coming up, downing street have declined to say whether rishi sunak and suella braverman have a, quote, good working relationship up. >> this comes as labour accuses the home secretary of encouraging extreme lists and attacking the police when she should be backing them . should be backing them. >> but labour themselves are not without their own challenges. as sir keir starmer faces an ever more difficult battle to keep his party united after several of his own mps tried to force a commons vote on a ceasefire in gaza , including some former gaza, including some former shadow cabinet ministers. >> but we'll also have the very latest from israel itself , as latest from israel itself, as the idf claim they've taken over a hamas stronghold in northern gaza after a ten hour battle, an israeli spokesman will update .

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ahead on armistice day. number 10 says rishi sunak still has full confidence in the home secretary liberal democrats leader sir ed davey calling for the prime minister to sack her over her claims. rishi sunak met the police commissioner yesterday , saying he would hold yesterday, saying he would hold sir rowley accountable sir mark rowley accountable while leader has while the labour leader has backed police across the country. >> i think we see people who are reasonable , who are moderate and reasonable, who are moderate and who would always want to support the police in making difficult decisions in difficult circumstances . and that's what circumstances. and that's what you get with an incoming labour government. if we're privileged to come in to serve . what you've to come in to serve. what you've got at the moment is the complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive , who secretary who is divisive, who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police . undermining the police. >> mass arrests have been made after the cenotaph in rochdale was sprayed with free palestine graffiti across its base.

greater manchester police said poppies were removed from the war memorial on tuesday afternoon and it's currently a crime scene. two male teenagers are being questioned by police . are being questioned by police. a group of protests have scaled scottish parliament hang a banner and palestinian flag . the banner and palestinian flag. the group of five climbed up the outside of the main entrance, draping a banner which reads stop arming israel. police have cordoned off the area underneath, but business in parliament is continuing . police parliament is continuing. police have said they're aware of the protest , but officers are in protest, but officers are in attendance . idf soldiers attendance. idf soldiers uncovered tunnel shafts and seized weapon caches when they took control of a hamas outpost in northern gaza. they say it took ten hours of fighting to take the control of the military stronghold in western jabalya . stronghold in western jabalya. some 80 countries and international organisations meeting in paris today to discuss ways of getting humanity an aid to people in gaza . health an aid to people in gaza. health authorities from both palestinian and israeli sides

claim over 12,000 people have died in the conflict , with an died in the conflict, with an additional 163 fatalities in the west bank. the foreign secretary is in saudi arabia as part of a diplomatic effort to continue to prevent the middle east crisis spiralling into wider war. he's holding high level talks with regional counterparts and efforts to avoid escalation and work towards a two state solution for israel and palestine . the supreme court is palestine. the supreme court is set to give its decision on whether a government plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda is lawful . the court of appeal is lawful. the court of appeal ruled in june the plan to deport those seeking asylum to the east african nation was unlawful. the home office challenged that ruling last month. the decision is expected to be made on wednesday . is expected to be made on wednesday. dame is expected to be made on wednesday . dame pretty patel is wednesday. dame pretty patel is giving evidence at the covid inquiry. the former home secretary is facing questions about her approach to controlling the border and policing of lockdown rules . dame policing of lockdown rules. dame pretty lobbied for stricter border controls in the early

stages of the covid pandemic in an attempt to prevent the virus reaching the uk. she was overruled and the nhs waiting list in england has hit a record high with more people facing delays of more than a year and a half. nhs england found the wait list increase at just over 7.5 million at the end of september. labour officials say it's made up of 6.5 million patients, with some waiting for more than one treatment. the overall list is now nearly 3.5 million higher than it was before the covid pandemic . a 14 year old boy has pandemic. a 14 year old boy has been charged with murder over the fatal stabbing of 15 year old alfie lewis . alfie was old alfie lewis. alfie was attacked in the horsforth area of leeds on tuesday afternoon as children were leaving to nearby schools . the 14 year old will schools. the 14 year old will appear at leeds magistrates court, also charged with possession of a knife. alfie's family say he was 1 in 1,000,000 and had the biggest heart and a tory mp is claiming areas where

fewer than 25 homes are flooded are being penalised because they miss out on a government grant to prevent future damage. don valley mp nick fletcher says a government grant intended to help residents protect their homes from future flooding events should be open to all the government's property. flood resilience repair grant scheme is devolved to councils. if more than 25 properties have been severely affected . and this is severely affected. and this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to pip and . tom pip and. tom >> welcome back to gb news live . >> welcome back to gb news live. now you've all been getting in touch with your thoughts and opinions on everything we've been discussing so far in the show. and i have to say there was a lot of for love our world war ii. d—day veteran bernard

morgan. at 99 years old, tony wrote in to say, bernard's memory in manchester is amazing . memory in manchester is amazing. what a fantastic man . he then what a fantastic man. he then says, compare him to some of those gutless palestinian supporters who would run a mile if they had to face what bernard and the other brave soldiers went through. it's easy to protest . so there's a there's protest. so there's a there's a link that tony was making there. >> hassall afternoon >> claire hassall good afternoon to you. you've been in touch and you fantastic you say, what a fantastic interview and amazing man he needs to write a book. had me in tears . and then andrew says , why tears. and then andrew says, why did you cut bernard off? well don't worry, we are going to be rejoining bernard and sophie and we will be hearing more on his more from him very shortly. andrew also says bernard , thank andrew also says bernard, thank you from the household of the hughes family. so he's touched so many of you. >> and of course, one of the reasons we had to move on from bernard was to hear from that royal story that we covered on this this news about the guardians case against the royal

family to which richard has written the guardian written in saying the guardian is seeking to make trouble. does anyone doubt that a presidential head of state would entail security costs in excess of those granted to the royal family and richard's conclusion there is the guardian is a rag. that's richard's view on that particular legal case. >> well, let's bring you our top story now and downing street is declining to say whether rishi sunak and suella braverman , the sunak and suella braverman, the home secretary, have a good working relationship. rishi sunakis working relationship. rishi sunak is facing calls to sack her over irresponsible and divisive remarks about policing ahead of pro—palestine . protests ahead of pro—palestine. protests over remembrance weekend . over remembrance weekend. >> it follows the shadow home secretary accusing ms braverman of encouraging extreme racists and attacking the police when she was granted an urgent question in the house of commons earlier today. >> well, joining us now is gb news political editor christopher hope. good afternoon to you, christopher. i think downing street is saying that suella braverman has rishi sunak

full support. i guess that's until she doesn't . until she doesn't. >> yeah , it does feel quite iffy >> yeah, it does feel quite iffy today. i think, for the future of the home secretary. suella braverman it all comes down to this overnight article written by her for the times newspaper papen by her for the times newspaper paper. now we were informed that gb news first thing when we asked was it signed off by 10 downing street, that it went to the to the number 10 and then came back and therefore it was signed off. but number 10 have a different view of that transaction. they say it wasn't signed off. the suggestion was that maybe changes were that maybe some changes were suggested from number 10 to the home office they weren't home office and they weren't made it was produced. made before it was produced. so the now was this the question now is, was this wilfully not signed off, this this rather inflammatory de opinion piece written by the home secretary? and was that an attempt a snook almost attempt to cock a snook almost attempt to cock a snook almost at the authority of the prime minister? and that's where we are at the moment. there's an investigation going on about how this happened why idea

this happened and why this idea that it wasn't signed off was understood by the home by the home office. its part, they home office. for its part, they say comment say they won't comment on internal whereas we internal processes, whereas we have from the number press have from the number 10 press briefing 11:30, it is quite briefing at 11:30, it is quite clear that it was not signed off. so there's a dispute about whether agreed or not. whether it was agreed or not. this and indeed this document and indeed therefore whether the home secretary the secretary was talking with the authority of the authority and the support of the prime minister this one is going to develop through the day. prime minister this one is going to (now,>p through the day. prime minister this one is going to (now, this rough the day. prime minister this one is going to (now, this ingh the day. prime minister this one is going to (now, this is really, day. prime minister this one is going to (now, this is really, really >> now, this is really, really serious , chris, because serious, chris, because we've heard earlier that this this process has started . this process has started. this investigation started , and investigation has started, and this is expected to conclude within the day. and if it is found that the home secretary wilfully ignored collective responsibility , she shunned the responsibility, she shunned the advice or indeed the diktat of downing street that that's a breach of the ministerial code, is it not? that's a resignation offence . offence. >> the issue of the ministerial code, which of course governs behaviour of ministers and, and is signed off by the prime minister at the start of every

new parliamentary session . we new parliamentary session. we don't think it's a breach of the code. it certainly is a breach of the pm's authority. don't forget the pm yesterday sat down with sir mark rowley about these. this, these rallies, these. this, these rallies, these palestinian rallies on saturday and whether they would conflict with the very important and solemn marking of remembrance day, armistice day at 11 am. on saturday morning . at 11 am. on saturday morning. the pm was told there by sir mark rowley that the two would be kept apart. he said, okay, i accept that, keep it under accept that, but keep it under review. that's where left review. and that's where it left us last night. then overnight, this large brick was chucked into pond at into this mill pond here at westminster suella braverman , westminster by suella braverman, almost of that work almost undoing all of that work from pm overnight. from the pm overnight. it certainly look weak if certainly makes him look weak if he he can't do something he feels he can't do something to try bring his home to here try and bring his home secretary into line. don't forget, back at the weekend there reports she there were reports that she supported withdrawal from supported withdrawal tents from charities giving them charities that were giving them out they couldn't out and saying they couldn't give people who give tents out to people who were homeless . those comments give tents out to people who were not1eless . those comments give tents out to people who were not accepted 1056 comments give tents out to people who were not accepted .)se comments give tents out to people who were not accepted . adopted|ents give tents out to people who were not accepted . adopted byts were not accepted. adopted by the pm when he spoke to reporters in norfolk on monday. so two of these

so there's two of these transgressions and we are facing a very fortnight for the for a very big fortnight for the for the prime minister and his home secretary. it's very important they together. next they work closely together. next week aren't we, week we're hearing, aren't we, from supreme court, about from the supreme court, about the rwanda verdict, whether this idea the rwanda plan idea of the rwanda plan processing illegal arrivals here off rwanda is legal, it off shore in rwanda is legal, it can go ahead. the following week, we've got annual stats for net migration on the day after the autumn statement. it's a very big two weeks, i think, for the home secretary and suella braverman . and right now they braverman. and right now they clearly are not getting on. >> and chris, obviously you and tom know the inner workings of politics, but but those politics, but but for those people don't just explain, people who don't just explain, because there's plenty of politicians that write comment articles for newspapers , is it articles for newspapers, is it the rule then, that it always has to be gone through and signed off? yes >> unless you have backbench mps who aren't part of the government, they can submit articles to gb news website and will publish them. and number 10 won't know anything about them

until they appear. but in the government, the 150 so government, the 150 or so members of the governing , members of the governing, including secretaries including private secretaries and roles, they've and other unpaid roles, they've got submit of their got to submit all of their pubuc got to submit all of their public utterances to 10 downing street. they then looked at normally signed off as any problem, and then they change their made crucially, they change their made, then they appear our website or appear on the on our website or in a newspaper. that process has broken down. clearly friends of suella braverman, as they told me earlier , thought it had been me earlier, thought it had been signed off. number 10 say otherwise. and that investigation , i think, could investigation, i think, could hold the immediate future of suella braverman. now there's a crucial parallel here, i suppose i >> earlier this week, the labour party lost a shadow minister because he didn't think he could hold this collective responsibility with sir keir starmer on the line that they have over a ceasefire in gaza , have over a ceasefire in gaza, he resigned from the front bench of the labour party in order to speak his mind on that issue. i suppose the parallel here is that if the home secretary wants to speak her mind on this issue

without the sort of collective responsibility of the cabinet table, she would need to walk away. when are we expected a conclusion in this really , conclusion in this really, really high stakes investigation i >> -- >> well, it m >> well, it won't take long, as i said before that, tom, a time time is not on the government's side. they've got to get their act together and work out a collective view to support the police on what will be a very difficult whether or not difficult day. whether or not the march goes ahead the palestinian march goes ahead saturday and then maybe sunday. the palestinian march goes ahead sathertainly then maybe sunday. the palestinian march goes ahead sathertainly saturday/be sunday. the palestinian march goes ahead sathertainly saturday is; sunday. the palestinian march goes ahead sathertainly saturday is aanday. but certainly saturday is an important that, important day. and after that, on a policy level, you've got these very big immigration numbers you've got numbers coming out. you've got the decision next week, the rwanda decision next week, which which will define which will which will define really can really whether the tories can recover polls for many recover in the polls for many people, if they can get away, if they can get this idea away and make it happening a make it start happening as a chance, can start chance, they can start controlling small controlling these small boats, arrivals. so important controlling these small boats, arrive now so important controlling these small boats, arrive now that important controlling these small boats, arrive now that they)rtant controlling these small boats, arrive now that they)rta|working right now that they are working in together . the home in lockstep together. the home secretary number but they secretary number 10. but they aren't. needs to be aren't. so that needs to be sorted soon. aren't. so that needs to be

son now, soon. aren't. so that needs to be son now, hard»n. aren't. so that needs to be son now, hard to overstate the >> now, hard to overstate the importance of that. rwanda decision coming in less than a week's time. and of course , so week's time. and of course, so many bumps in the road for home affairs policy. a really extraordinary day. christopher hope, thank you so much for bringing us the very latest in what appears to be a rift between the home secretary and the prime minister between the home secretary and the andre minister between the home secretary and the and as’viinister between the home secretary and the and as you ster between the home secretary and the and as you would expect, sir >> and as you would expect, sir keir been keir starmer has been commentating on all this. he's been speaking actually at the offices of my old newspaper, the express and star newspaper in wolverhampton. doing wolverhampton. he's been doing a q&a session says that the q&a session and he says that the home secretary is divisive . and home secretary is divisive. and we have a prime minister who is too weak to do anything about it. but it not everything is rosy in labour land either, is it? >> tom no, it certainly isn't. and i think one of the crucial things there is that the labour line here is that the prime minister is weak in not sacking her rather than going after the home secretary it home secretary directly. it will be very interesting to see be very, very interesting to see what the prime minister decides because extent because to some extent she's quite for rishi sunak as quite crucial for rishi sunak as a of bastion of the a as a sort of bastion of the

right party. and he right of the party. and he doesn't want to divide his party more, perhaps create a leadership contender against him. course , as we were him. but of course, as we were saying, sir keir starmer is facing some pretty tough times himself. if a more difficult battle to keep his party united after quite a few of his own, mps have tried to force a commons vote on this gaza ceasefire, attaching an amendment to the king's speech that came hours after bradford bradford, east mp and shadow minister imran hussain resigned from the shadow front bench so that he could advocate for that ceasefire and those rebellious mps could soon get their wish because the snp has tabled an amendment to the king's speech calling for an immediate truce in the war. >> and if selected, it will force labour mps to show their hand and could expose the extent of the divisions within sir keir starmer's party. well, in this question and answer session that

i was just mentioning, sir keir starmer has reiterated his call for a humanitarian pause to allow medicines and food into gaza. he says it is the only realistic option in the face of a desperate situation . a desperate situation. >> ian but of course a pause is not a ceasefire and that's where the division within the labour party lies . let's get more now party lies. let's get more now from gb news political correspondent katherine forster. and catherine, this is a crucial distinction. there is speculation that potentially hundreds or at least over 100 labour mps disagree . p with sir labour mps disagree. p with sir keir starmer on his position. how likely is it that this will get smoked out in the form of an amendment . amendment. >> yes, well it's fairly likely that there may well be a vote on whether to back a ceasefire or not next week because the scottish national party are intent on tabling that if it's selected by the speaker . and selected by the speaker. and bearin selected by the speaker. and bear in mind, they're the third largest party, it will go ahead.

now, that will be exceedingly difficult for labour. sir keir starmer was here in wolverhampton just a little earlier talking to local people, local students talking to broadcasters. but what he's saying, this is all coming from the same place, whether it's a ceasefire, whether it's a humanitarian pause, who doesn't want to see an end to the horrors in gaza with the death toll now at over £10,000, 10,000. but it is an important distinction because the labour leadership is calling for humanitarian pause. that's something short, something temporary to get aid in, to get people out. but a ceasefire is rather different, isn't it? it's longer term. and sir keir starmer believes along with the position of the british government, which is the same, and the united states that that would allow hamas to regroup, to rearm themselves, to get stronger again, just as israel is trying to destroy them. so it is trying to destroy them. so it is an important decision , action

is an important decision, action and for all that, sir keir starmer is trying to play down divisions within his party. it's pretty clear that they run really rather deep . there's now really rather deep. there's now over a third of labour mps and about 17 front benches who have clearly come out in favour of a ceasefire in defiance of his position. and yesterday of course we had that first front bench sarah dyke front bench resignation for imran hussain, who had been , you know, a shadow who had been, you know, a shadow minister for eight years. so now sir keir starmer wouldn't be drawn on the hypotheticals of what might happen in a vote that may or may not, as he said, be called . and but certainly i called. and but certainly i think it is pretty likely that there will be a vote sooner or later and probably rather soonen later and probably rather sooner. and at that point, what does he do ? because, of course, does he do? because, of course, he could give a free vote. so mps can vote with their

conscience that possibly might be the most likely. he might probably be accused of being weak. failure of leadership if he did that, or he could put his foot down and threaten consequences. but at that point we might see a string of resignations . resignations. >> sir keir starmer was also asked catherine about his views on the home secretary . and as on the home secretary. and as you would expect, he was not very complimentary. he called her divisive and says that she's doing the complete opposite of what most people in the country would see as the proper role of the home secretary . the home secretary. >> yes, that's right, sir. keir starmer was very clear that it is an operation , a matter for is an operation, a matter for the police , whether or not the police, whether or not a protest goes ahead. and it is not for the home secretary to be interfering or being divisive as he maintains that she is. of course, she's used very strong language over these protests, hasn't she, in the last week or

so? she's referred to them as hate marchers on several occasions . she's upped the ante occasions. she's upped the ante over and over again, culminating with this letter in the times . with this letter in the times. now, lib dem leader, sir ed davey has called for to her be sacked. sir keir starmer was asked, would he go that far? he didn't answer that, but it they have put out labour a rather punchy ad . on social media in punchy ad. on social media in the last hour or so, saying spineless with rishi sunak sort of looking rather wavy at the front of the s because they basically are saying, look , he's basically are saying, look, he's weak, he doesn't like what she's saying. he hasn't got the authority to get rid of her. but of course many people will be looking at the labour party and thinking that sir keir starmer doesn't have that much authority at the moment on this matter, at least either. >> gb news political correspondent katherine forster in wolverhampton for us this afternoon. thank you . afternoon. thank you. >> now the un commissioner for human rights says that israel

and hamas have both committed war crimes since the conflict began. war crimes since the conflict began . well, we'll hear from began. well, we'll hear from a middle east expert and get to the bottom of how trustworthy that un statement really is, matt. and much, much more coming up after this

>> the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news is . good to have you with us. >> us. >> welcome back to gb news live as fighting between the israeli military and hamas continues as

the un commissioner for human rights has claimed that both israel and hamas have committed war crimes since the conflict began. meanwhile the french president, emmanuel macron , has president, emmanuel macron, has called for a humanitarian pause in the fighting, which follows the israeli military's decision to reopen an evacuation road that allows for civilians from northern gaza to move south after the rafah crossing between eqypt after the rafah crossing between egypt and gaza was closed today . egypt and gaza was closed today. well, professor yossi mekelberg is from the middle east and nonh is from the middle east and north africa program at chatham house and joins us now. good afternoon to you. let me ask you, first of all, how you read it about this suggestion that war crimes have been committed by both hamas and israel . by both hamas and israel. >> good afternoon. thank you for having me . having me. >> it has to be investigated and eventually there are criteria how war is conducted and how it's not conducted. >> and it would be very

difficult to assume that in this war no war crimes have been committed considering the level of violence, the level of casualties, death . casualties, death. >> i would be surprised . i'm not >> i would be surprised. i'm not an international lawyer, but i look at the pictures and the images and i'll be very surprised by the end of the war. the conclusion won't be that that war crimes have been committed . committed. >> it is the un getting stuck in a situation whereby by this organisation has been accused by the israeli government of being too much on the side of hamas , too much on the side of hamas, trying to equate a democratic country defending itself with a terrorist group that slaughtered civilians, went after , civilians, went after, specifically went after civilians rather than the israeli government, which would say it is trying to target terrorists and sadly occasionally civilians get caughtin occasionally civilians get caught in the crossfire. is

there not a moral distinction there not a moral distinction there ? there? >> well , i there? >> well, i think we are all convinced that the un doesn't serve the purpose that it was assigned. >> it was assigned to it back in 1945. unfortunately the security council , 1945. unfortunately the security council, even 1945. unfortunately the security council , even the 1945. unfortunately the security council, even the general assembly, don't manage to avert a war, prevent wars , making a war, prevent wars, making peace and sustainable peace. and this is very regrettable . but this is very regrettable. but what we're talking about the un, we can't separate it from the member states, the member state that creates a receipt when you have a permanent member like russia that actually declared war on another country and then veto it, the united states veto whenever criticism of israel, there is different. >> the un is completely paralysed. but i think we are really, really diverting from the real issue. what hamas did was a terrible, terrible atrocity , an unforgivable atrocity, an unforgivable atrocity. and when we see these

images, there , sickening and as images, there, sickening and as a result of it, it excluded itself from from probably the political process for a long time , unless it completely time, unless it completely change. but at the same time, are you suggesting that is justifies killing by now thousands and thousands of palestinian civilian civilians and children ? it can be and children? it can be justified. either it just shows that not dealing with the israeli—palestinian conflict , israeli—palestinian conflict, leaving living countries to fester. and in this in this killing and i think instead of just taking side one or the other, i think the most important thing is to stop this conflict and bring it to a peaceful end. how can you bring it to a peaceful end? >> yossi , when you are >> yossi, when you are effectively dealing with. well, you are dealing with a proscribed terrorist organisation action. there's not a chance that they are going to

want to have a ceasefire >> i wish you asked me this a year ago, six months ago, even seven weeks ago. you see what you're doing . you're equating you're doing. you're equating all the palestinians with hamas, not all palestinians are hamas. and we need to find this is the art of politics, the art of the possible to actually to deprive hamas of support and creating the coalition of the willing , the coalition of the willing, those who want to live in peace . those who want to live in peace. and someone that has worked on this issue for decades now, most palestinians and i'm stating the complete obvious right now want to live in peace, would like to live in a two state solution, look at the survey after survey, pubuc look at the survey after survey, public opinion poll after another. what happened with hamas has to be dealt and the hamas has to be dealt and the hamas as we can see, the israeli army is dealing with that. but to assume that the israeli—palestinian conflict will never end will never come to a peaceful end is almost as

dangerous. all wars come to an end. we have seen this in europe after hundreds of years of war and one of the bloodiest wars that humanity ever experienced . that humanity ever experienced. europe is, all in all living in peace with one another. so i think that's the way they should look at conflict. it's a terrible situation, but we should be creative, both sides. you need new leadership, new ideas and ideas that appeal to people and deprive them. organisation like hamas, like islamic jihad of their support. >> of course, what israel would say to that point that there is a distinction between the people of gaza and hamas is that hamas was elected into the position it holds today by the people of gaza when israel withdrew to and took its troops out and every single jew was expelled from that territory afterwards , hamas that territory afterwards, hamas came to power, of course, abolished elections, but have

been embedding themselves across that that strip of land for a long time. and we've seen evidence that when, for example, the one of those young girls from that music festival was dragged naked through the streets of gaza , ordinary streets of gaza, ordinary people, not hamas leadership or ordinary people were out there cheering, cheering that corpse being dragged through the streets. is it really be potentially fair to say that there is no widespread support for hamas in gaza? is it not the case that there is quite widespread support for hamas in gaza? and is that not one of the deep, deep problems ? deep, deep problems? >> are you trying to convince me that what hamas did is horrible as anyone will ever support something like this? it's terrible. this is a war crime. what they did. i've seen the images . me. what they did. i've seen the images. me. it's very what they did. i've seen the images . me. it's very upsetting . images. me. it's very upsetting. >> but but but i think the point that israel would make is that is that can i can i just put

this this specific point . this this specific point. >> please? >> please? >> let me finish . if you started >> let me finish. if you started it's an interview. >> let me finish. if you started it's an interview . listen, you it's an interview. listen, you you need to understand also history. israel withdrew unilag from gaza instead of empowering the plo at the time and the and handing them handing gaza to the more moderate the one that wanted to sign the agreement. it decided to completely sideline them and created a vacuum . the them and created a vacuum. the people you are talking people that you are talking about supporting hamas, this was 2006. this is almost ancient history . almost most of the history. almost most of the population in gaza right now, not even born. in 2006, one of the youngest population . and the youngest population. and since then they are the one that suffered from hamas and living after hamas . and i think you and after hamas. and i think you and i would agree that it's not nice to live under the rule of hamas in any shape or form. but by blockading people. but not allowing a peace process to

actually develop , we are pushing actually develop, we are pushing them into the into the hands of radicals. we don't know. we don't do the opposite. and well, professor mekelberg has been a really interesting conversation. >> i wish we had more time. perhaps we'll have to get you back very soon, but i'm afraid we've got to go to our latest news headlines now. see you after . after this. >> tom. thank you and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom. downing street says the prime minister did not clear suella braverman's article accusing the police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters. in the piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police force is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestinian rallies to go ahead on armistice day . number ahead on armistice day. number 10, says rishi sunak still has full confidence in the home secretary. liberal democrats leader sir ed davey is calling for the prime minister to sack

her over her claims. rishi sunak met the police commissioner yesterday , saying he would hold yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable while the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has called braverman across braverman out of control across the country. >> i think we see people who are reasonable , who are moderate and reasonable, who are moderate and who would always want to support the police in making difficult decisions in difficult circumstances . and that's what circumstances. and that's what you'd get with an incoming labour government. if we're privileged to come in to serve . privileged to come in to serve. what you've got at the moment is the complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive, who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police . undermining the police. >> two male teenagers are being questioned by police after the cenotaph in rochdale was sprayed with free palestine graffiti across its base . greater across its base. greater manchester police said poppies were removed from the war memorial on tuesday afternoon

andifs memorial on tuesday afternoon and it's currently a crime scene . a group of protesters have scaled scottish parliament to hang a banner and a palestinian flag. the group of five climbed up the outside of the main entrance, draping a banner which reads stop arming israel. police have cordoned off the area underneath bart's business in parliament is continuing . police parliament is continuing. police have said they're aware of the protest and officers are in attendance . for more on all of attendance. for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website, gbnews.com . for website, gbnews.com. for a valuable legacy your family can own . own. >> gold coins will always shine bright. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. >> here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you 1.225, $9 and ,1.1465. the price of gold £1,588.37 per

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moment to talk everything economy and we understand that real pay has not grown for 17 years. so we want to ask him about that. plus but also , it about that. plus but also, it could be the case that interest rates have peaked. >> so perhaps mixed economic news. let's make sense of it all with liam halligan, our economics and business editor with on the money . liam , it with on the money. liam, it seems like every day we get some news. that's good and some news that's bad . what's the actual that's bad. what's the actual picture? >> oh, for a one handed economist on the one hand on it, look, it is mixed. mixed is a good word. patchy might be another good word. there's so much economic news around today and tomorrow , there's going to and tomorrow, there's going to be even more. there's new gdp numbers coming out tomorrow telling us the extent to which the uk economy has grown or excuse me, hasn't grown . i think excuse me, hasn't grown. i think that gdp number could be very, very flat. but that's for tomorrow . so today, there's been tomorrow. so today, there's been lots of numbers out about living

standards. you say, about standards. as you say, about retail sales . so let's have a retail sales. so let's have a look at some of them because i've got a graphic. here we go. so retail sales were up 2.5% in october. that's compared to october. that's compared to october 20th, 22. these are numbers from the british retail consortium. they're not official government numbers, but they're very, very authoritative . that very, very authoritative. that sounds all right, doesn't it? but it's from 2.7% growth but it's down from 2.7% growth dunng but it's down from 2.7% growth during the year to september. and across the last year, the 12 month average number here is 4.2. so clearly , retail sales 4.2. so clearly, retail sales are slowing down. and here's the kicker. when you consider that these are what we call nominal numbers, pre inflation and inflation has been 6.7, that's the current number. then actually, retail sales have fallen in what we call real terms after inflation. and that's not that good. so we've had all these headlines about mbs doing really well, profits up very strongly, 51. w.h. smith , we spoke in the last hour,

didn't we? there travel stores particularly, you know , airports particularly, you know, airports and train stations, they're profits are up 96% in the last yeah >> smith in my town has shut down because is on the high street . street. >> w.h. smith isn't doing that well . and i just gave you the well. and i just gave you the numbers across the high street. but travel locations where people are maybe in a holiday mood or maybe well—heeled people there are more often travelling £6 for a bag of maltese. that's. that's right. that's right. those stores are doing well. w.h. smith stores are doing well . high street, . but on the high street, they're not. as you and they're not. as you say. and that's reflected numbers. that's reflected in the numbers. but to say you've but look, i wanted to say you've got lots of positive headlines about m&s. you've got lots of positive headlines about w.h. smith, the actual across the smith, but the actual across the board numbers, as i board high street numbers, as i just aren't that just showed, aren't doing that well. then on top of that, well. and then on top of that, well. and then on top of that, we had report from something we had a report from something called the national institute of economic and social research, a very cross very august cross party independent tank. it's independent think tank. it's been around for decades, very highly regarded and then you report says and here's a graphic , they are actually saying now, the national institute are

saying don't make saying and they don't just make things the top of their things up off the top of their head. now saying that head. they are now saying that interest have peaked, that interest rates have peaked, that is 5.25. the is interesting. at 5.25. so the national institute thinks the bank of england has done enough to bear down on inflation, that we don't need any more interest rate and given we've rate rises. and given that we've had interest rises since had 14 interest rate rises since december 2021, those on variable rate mortgages can take some relief from that if it actually happens. relief from that if it actually happens . the relief from that if it actually happens. the national relief from that if it actually happens . the national institutes happens. the national institutes also saying tom and pip, we're going to have average wage growth of 7% this year and next. so that's above inflation. so we are now getting growth in real wages. but the national institute are also saying that half of uk households, they're pay half of uk households, they're pay and their broader household income won't recover to pre pandemic. so that's 2019, 2019 levels until 2026. so you see there lockdown has taken away seven years of living standards growth . that's how syria is. growth. that's how syria is. isn't it astonishing ? it was isn't it astonishing? it was

barely discussed , as we're barely discussed, as we're heanng barely discussed, as we're hearing now in the covid inquiry and then pwc , one of the big and then pwc, one of the big four accounting firms, pricewaterhouse coopers. what they're saying, you refer to 2006, pip, in your intro , 2006, pip, in your intro, they're saying that it's going to take we're only now getting back to levels of income and household wealth of 2006. so that's kind of the long tail of the global financial crisis in two thousand and seven, 2008. look it's not all doom and gloom by any means. it does when the likes of the national institute are saying interest rates have peaked, they will have thought long and hard about that. and the bank of england will take note of that. that's got to be a good decision next good decision on the next decision early december . decision is in early december. okay. decision in okay. the next decision is in early and next week on early december and next week on wednesday , we've got the next wednesday, we've got the next inflation number, the inflation number for october 2nd. big economic landmarks. it does seem to me, unless we get a big energy price spike because of

geopolitics or the opec oil export cartel squeeze being the west some more, the russians maybe squeezing the west some more and we get an energy price spike. i think if we avoid that energy price spike, i do think that rishi sunak is going to hit his target of inflation halving by december. that doesn't mean it's get to the 2% bank it's going to get to the 2% bank of england oh, no, it of england target. oh, no, it means it's going get to means that it's going to get to down 5.2% because when he made that promise, i'm going to halve inflation or inflation will halve on my watch. was at halve on my watch. it was at 10.4. >> y e we have run out of >> i'm afraid we have run out of time this segment, but is time on this segment, but it is always good the rounded always good to get the rounded picture. know if we have picture. we know if we have tories on, they'll say half the stats. we have labour on, stats. if we have labour on, they'll say stats you they'll say half the stats you give us the full picture and we appreciate without or appreciate without fear or favour. let's move on now because and vale because the cardiff and vale university board have because the cardiff and vale univer:wales's board have because the cardiff and vale univer:wales's largestd have because the cardiff and vale univer:wales's largest hospital, issued wales's largest hospital, a—level yeah the a—level for incident. yeah the university of hospital of wales says it's experiencing extreme pressures currently . well, this pressures currently. well, this comes after a black alert was issued earlier this week because

of increasing patients in the emergency department. well, gb news reporterjack emergency department. well, gb news reporter jack carson joins us now from outside the hospital and hopefully he can make sense of these phrases. black alert level four. what on earth does this all mean ? this all mean? >> yeah. so it it's better news today , tom and pip than it has today, tom and pip than it has been for the last couple of days. this is a de—escalation from the top level five black alert. if you like. business continuity incident that the cardiff and vale university health board declared on the 7th of november. essentially there was a combination of different factors. there was real pressure within their emergency department where patients coming in particularly needed more complex and more critical care than usual. but there was also a combination of not being able to discharge patients quick enough out of things like the emergency department, discharge them into and around other wards on the hospital. and so there were there were some incidences where patients waiting in the patients were waiting in the back ambulances they back of ambulances because they couldn't be brought the couldn't be brought in. the emergency department, the

emergency department, particularly the particularly here at the university hospital of wales, was was so busy . but university hospital of wales, was was so busy. but this is a de escalation to level four. now, that does still mean that the emergency department here at this hospital particularly is still experiencing this hospital particularly is still pressure experiencing this hospital particularly is still pressure asaxperiencing this hospital particularly is still pressure as but riencing this hospital particularly is still pressure as but theying this hospital particularly is still pressure as but they but extreme pressure as but they but there has been they say a decrease in the patients in the emergency unit. therefore easing pressure generally on staffing levels across the wards . it is a levels across the wards. it is a case when you have that level five, that black alert business continuity incident that they do start to take. nurses, take porters , for example, from other porters, for example, from other wards around the hospital, meaning those wards are then left understaffed. that is a case on traditionally that the army can be on standby when you are in one of those black alerts. but it's better news today that that has now decreased to just extreme pressure . but of course, pressure. but of course, traditionally over wales, particularly in 2022, it was a point at one point during the flu season that all seven of the health boards across wales had declared that category five incident. so the fact that we're

not even into flu season yet, yet hospitals like this one have been experiencing such extreme pressures will certainly be worrying. but the welsh government say that are government say that they are putting funding putting particularly funding into things like the emergency day care. they say extra community beds as well as integrated solutions with social care services to help improve that patient flow . so as i was that patient flow. so as i was as i was saying, because it's particularly around discharging patients , the hospitals like patients, the hospitals like this are having a problem because the stats are that 39% of people that are currently waiting and seem deemed fit enough to be discharged aren't being discharged aged because they're waiting for assessment . they're waiting for assessment. and now that can, of course link to all kinds of things, such as those under staffing levels on wards such as the fact that around of course here in around the nhs of course here in wales that there aren't maybe enough staffing, staff, staff on the able to properly the wards to be able to properly assess a patient say they're assess a patient and say they're ready home. but also because ready for home. but also because 26% of those people that that should be be able to be

discharged are also waiting for a care placement . so the no a care home placement. so the no longer a category five incident here, but it's been downgraded to category still extreme to category four. still extreme pressures at this hospital. >> and very quickly, jack, local people, they're being advised not to attend hospital unless it's absolutely vital they can help with this situation . help with this situation. >> yeah, it's exactly so particularly the cardiff and vale health board saying use one one, one two of course have that conversation as to whether the operator on the 111 call thinks she should go to the emergency department because there are all kinds of things such urgent kinds of things such as urgent treatment of course your treatment centres of course your own surgery where minor own gp surgery where minor injuries be treated, which injuries can be treated, which means on the means the pressure on the emergency departments like this means the pressure on the emewon'ty departments like this means the pressure on the emewon't getpartments like this means the pressure on the emewon't get to tments like this means the pressure on the emewon't get to asents like this means the pressure on the emewon't get to as higher;e this one won't get to as higher levels as well. >> carson thank you very >> jack carson thank you very much bringing us the very much for bringing us the very late list of course good to late list and of course good to see things are slightly see that things are slightly better perhaps they were better than perhaps they were yesterday . yesterday. >> talk to you about >> let's talk to you about a tribunal. quite an interesting tribunal. quite an interesting tribunal that's going on. it's the final day of the guardian

versus home office tribunal, which all centres on royal security costs. >> yes, the guardian challenges the government's refusal to tell the government's refusal to tell the public how much taxpayer cash is spent on protecting the king and the wider royal family. well here to tell us more about it is gb news royal correspondent cameron walker and cameron. it's an interesting tack that the guardian are going down here. the final day of this court battle today . they why are court battle today. they why are they so intent in finding something that has always been private? >> it has always been secret . >> it has always been secret. the metropolitan police are responsible for providing security for members of the royal family and the guardian is challenging the home office over its decision not to release the information because they've put information because they've put in a freedom of information request, wanting to have a figure for how much money was spent of our money. taxpayers money. on the royal family's protection between the years 2017 and 2020 and the kind of

security we're talking about here is the armed bodyguards, which are in close proximity to the royal family and the 24 over seven protection of the royal palaces and homes as well. and the guardian estimates this could millions could potentially cost millions of our money each year of pounds of our money each year and argues that by preventing the public knowing costs, the public knowing the costs, they cannot have full public debate about the role of monarchy, of the monarchy within society. now, the home office witness with the home office was speaking in court yesterday or witness statements even, he witness statements even, and he said potential attackers said the potential attackers would mosaic of would gain a mosaic of information even if the costs of protecting the royal family was revealed. he went say that revealed. he went on to say that it be a substantial step it would be a substantial step in increasing the risk of an attack that would be attack and that would be attackers would valuable attackers would gain valuable new inferences . in other words, new inferences. in other words, could have an educated guess about the kind of security that was being provided to the royal family. now, the guardians lawyer, stephen cragg, kc , said lawyer, stephen cragg, kc, said as long as the information is general lies, so it's just a normal figure. there's nothing significant. there's a potential attacker would have in to

attacker would have in order to carry out attack. and it's in carry out an attack. and it's in andifs carry out an attack. and it's in and it's within the public interest to have an informed discussion about the monarchy and would make institution and would make the institution more he also went more accountable. he also went on to suggest that the sovereign grant in the guardians view is misleading. so that is the pot of money which taxpayers funds the royal family each year. last yearit the royal family each year. last year it was around £86 million. that does not include the metropolitan police security protection . and they said that protection. and they said that another argument that they said was that the public are aware or journalists are aware about royal families engagements in advance , which is perhaps far advance, which is perhaps far more , far more of a security more, far more of a security risk than just having a figure in terms of money. >> and this sort of secrecy . oh, >> and this sort of secrecy. oh, i'm being told we've got to read on. i was getting into that conversation. oh okay, then. have got time ? have we got time? >> have we got time for one more question? context about this this secrecy . this secrecy. >> it's always been in place , >> it's always been in place, then down, down the years .

then down, down the years. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> there's never been any transparency ever. >> it always has been. and let's put it into context. the security surrounding the prime minister government minister and government ministers, never been ministers, that has never been made money spent on made public. the money spent on even ministers has even former prime ministers has never made bearing never been made public. bearing in got seven former in mind we've got seven former prime ministers at moment. prime ministers at the moment. thatis prime ministers at the moment. that is a lot of money, of taxpayers money going into protecting figures in protecting public figures. in contrast the united contrast that to the united states the spent states, the money spent protecting the president of the united states is made public every year . us united states is made public every year. us so if the judges decide that the home office needs to release this information, this could potentially create a whole can of worms , and particularly for of worms, and particularly for the royal family, because it's a bigger challenge to justify the whole true cost of the institution . institution. >> i'm willing to bet that whatever we spend on the royal family and the protection of the palaces, a hell a lot palaces, it's a hell of a lot less americans would less than the americans would spend on the president of the united states. multiple united states. his multiple planes, and all planes, six helicopters and all of various residences and of his various residences and retreats . retreats. >> a huge difference there . >> a huge difference there. >> a huge difference there. >> yeah, just a bit. i mean, the

king doesn't exactly have to massive boeing aircraft that he can fly the world in. >> he should i don't >> perhaps he should i don't know. that's one for know. that's that's one for gbviews@gbnews.com i think. but cameron thank very cameron walker thank you very much latest update on much for that latest update on this ongoing court case. >> where are we going next? i think we're going to talk about baby perfumes, something completely different because dior has launched a $230 fragrance for babies . it's fragrance for babies. it's expanded its beauty line up with a fragrance and skincare range for infants scented by famed perfumer france kurkdjian and released under the baby dior line as well. >> the fragrance by ethel has notes of juicy pear cotton , wool notes of juicy pear cotton, wool and petals and it's known as an odour centre or a very light perfume formulated without alcohol to avoid irritation. goodness me, just reading this, i feel like i need some alcohol how. >> now. >> oh, it's just. it all sounds like a waffle. this dior has described it as a baby's very

first step into fragrance . i'm first step into fragrance. i'm sure it's something that the babyis sure it's something that the baby is going to remember. >> i can't remember a single thing about being a baby . >> i can't remember a single thing about being a baby. i >> i can't remember a single thing about being a baby . i why? thing about being a baby. i why? >> who would any of us can tell who would buy this? >> let us know what you think about that baby perfume. but more on the future of the home secretary coming up after this .

a very good afternoon . it's a very good afternoon. it's 2 pm. and you're with gb news live with pip tomson and me tom harwood coming up this lunchtime , the prime minister is yet again facing calls to sack suella braverman. >> that's not the prime minister, obviously. that's after the home secretary accused police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters. it comes as the home secretary accused the met police of being biased . biased. >> however, labour themselves are not out of the spotlight. as sir keir starmer is facing an ever more difficult battle to keep his party united after several of his own, mps have tried to force a commons vote on a ceasefire in contrary to his position yesterday . position yesterday. >> we'll also bring you the latest from israel as it claims to have taken over a hamas stronghold in northern gaza after a ten hour battle, we'll get a voice on the ground in tel

aviv . and in more cheery news, aviv. and in more cheery news, the cost of living crisis could continue for years to come. >> that's labour saying that the tories plans to bring down energy bills just won't work. well, we'll find out more after your news headlines . your news headlines. >> tom, thank you. good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom. downing street says the prime minister did not clear suella braverman's article accusing the police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters . playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters. in the piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestinian rallies to go ahead on armistice day. number 10, says rishi sunak still has full confidence in the home secretary . liberal home secretary. liberal democrats leader sir ed davey is calling for the prime minister to sack her rishi sunak met the police commissioner yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable . the labour

rowley accountable. the labour leader has called braverman out of control across the country . of control across the country. >> i think we see people who are reasonable, who are moderate , reasonable, who are moderate, but and who would always want to support the police in making difficult decisions in difficult circumstances . and that's what circumstances. and that's what you get with an incoming labour government. if we're privileged to come in to serve . what you've to come in to serve. what you've got at the moment is the complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive , who secretary who is divisive, who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police as arrests have been made after the cenotaph in rochdale was sprayed with free palestine graffiti across its base , greater across its base, greater manchester police said poppies were removed from the war memorial on tuesday afternoon. >> it's currently a crime scene. two male teenagers are being questioned by police . a group of questioned by police. a group of protesters have scaled scottish to parliament hang a banner and

a palestinian flag. the group of five climbed up the outside of the main entrance, draping the banner which reads stop arming israel. police have cordoned off the area underneath, but business in parliament is continuing . police said they're continuing. police said they're aware of the protest and officers are in attendance . idf officers are in attendance. idf soldiers have uncovered tunnel shafts and seized weapon caches when they took control of a hamas outpost in northern gaza. they say it took ten hours of fighting to take control of the military's stronghold in western jabalya. health authorities from both the palestinian and israeli sides claim over 12,000 people have died in the conflict , with have died in the conflict, with an additional 163 fatalities in the west bank. the supreme court is set to give its decision on whether a government plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda is lawful . the court of appeal is lawful. the court of appeal ruled in june the plan to deport those seeking asylum to the east african nation was unlawful , african nation was unlawful, while home office challenged while the home office challenged that month, the that ruling last month, the decision on the challenge is

expected to be made on wednesday . now the former home secretary, dame priti patel, says early in the pandemic that there was no ability to prevent coronavirus arriving in the uk through the borders. she made the comments while being questioned at the covid inquiry where she's been facing questions about lockdown rules. dame pretty also made clear to the inquiry that the department for health and social care was responsible for covid laws . she lobbied for stricter laws. she lobbied for stricter border controls in the early stages of the pandemic in an attempt to prevent the virus reaching the uk . the nhs waiting reaching the uk. the nhs waiting list in england has hit a record high, with more people facing delays of more than a year and a half. nhs england found the wait list increased to just over 7.5 million at the end of september. officials say it's made up of 6.5 million patients, with some people waiting more for more than one treatment. the overall list is now nearly 3.5 million higher than it was before the

pandemic . and finally, the queen pandemic. and finally, the queen has commemorated the nation's war dead at a ceremony at westminster's field of remembrance, camilla paid tribute and recognise the sacrifices of those who fought and died for their country. in her first visit to westminster abbey since the coronation soon after placing the cross down by camilla and hundreds of veterans fell silent as the chimes of big ben rang out this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to tom and . pip tom and. pip >> welcome back to gb news live. now a lot of you have been getting in touch about the future of the home secretary, which after a press briefing in downing street this morning has been widely assessed to be in the balance and in investigation

is ongoing. about who knew what and when over this article in the times and deny us has written in to say regarding the attempts to cancel suella braverman and the calls for her resignation . she's the only resignation. she's the only politician with the courage to speak the truth and voice the concerns of most of the people of this country. the government must not give in to the woke mob. that's what dennis has to say. when while london's mayor, sadiq khan says he is astonished by the home secretary's incorrect and inflammatory times article as tom was saying, there's calls to sack suella braverman over her remarks about policing ahead of the pro—palestine protests this remembrance weekend this saturday. yes, the shadow home secretary has been accusing ms braverman of encouraging extremists in attacking the police. that was in an urgent question in the commons earlier today. question in the commons earlier today . let's join now gb news today. let's join now gb news political editor christopher hope and kristof , for i have to

hope and kristof, for i have to say, i've been going through the inbox of gb news viewers in the last few minutes. the amount of support for suella braverman is astonishing amongst gb news viewers. denise, roger, ian, robert. i could go on all of these people saying, please don't cancel. the home secretary is she really potentially facing the sack today ? the sack today? >> well , it the sack today? >> well, it comes down to this, this, this article that she wrote for the times overnight . wrote for the times overnight. it was it signed off or not, number 10, say on the record, it wasn't signed off. friends suella bravermans tell us that gb news it went in and came out again and then was published. the implication being that the version that appeared was he agreed one. but that wasn't according to downing street according to what downing street say. it's what happened at say. so it's what happened at that did suella braverman that point. did suella braverman or someone her just or someone around herjust ignore number 10 and thumb their nose at the authority? and nose at the pms authority? and if in politics that could be if so, in politics that could be a sacking offence. she has lots of people who don't like her in the centre ground in tory politics. people tory mps have

been telling me she must go. but those five names you read out there, the gb news viewers, there's lots of people on the right of the party members too, who decided the next next leader. forget who think leader. don't forget who think what was perfectly what she said was perfectly reasonable, there is a reasonable, that there is a double here. double standard here. when policing certainly policing protests or certainly it seems that way. i'm interested there by the remarks from sadiq khan you read out there, tom, because he also said that these remarks could allow there, tom, because he also said thatedl,;e remarks could allow there, tom, because he also said thatedl, thermarks could allow there, tom, because he also said thatedl, the english ould allow there, tom, because he also said thatedl, the english defence yw the edl, the english defence league , to the right and the league, to the far right and the far right to turn at the far right to turn up at the protest. this weekend. think protest. this weekend. i think the he's saying that might the fact he's saying that might mean the effect of suella mean that the effect of suella braverman's comments might make it easier for mark rowley to call off the palestinian demonstration because he can only really act when there's a risk to public safety. now, if these sadiq khan, these remarks, as sadiq khan, who is the mayor of london, who who is the mayor of london, who who is the mayor of london, who who is one of the two bosses of mark rowley, the other being ms braverman, he thinks the braverman, if he now thinks the edl likely to turn edl are more likely to turn up that could a further reason that could be a further reason for march not to ahead for this march not to go ahead on saturday. for this march not to go ahead on in:urday. for this march not to go ahead on in terms of her breaking >> in terms of her breaking potentially the ministerial

code, just explain to us a little bit more what that is, chris. >> well , of course, the pm, the >> well, of course, the pm, the home secretary, must always talk on the same page. the idea of collective responsibility means that decisions are made by the cabinet are agreed by the whole cabinet. even if you disagree with them, you agree with a group of people running the country. the cabinet. and this is a bit different. i think this pit because it's basically it's an article. it's no more an article. i mean, it's no more than an in than that. an article in a newspaper, let's be honest about it. the language it. but it's the language inflammatory. and of course, when says these words, we when she says these words, we then to the pm say, then go back to the pm and say, well, does the home well, does does the home secretary have confidence? secretary have your confidence? we lunchtime the we are told at lunchtime the 1230 that they do 1230 meeting today that they do have suella have the confidence in suella braverman, now braverman, but there is now investigation going on into how this article appeared without the the the changes made by the by the by question is by number 10. the question is why that happen? did the why did that happen? did the home say don't agree home secretary say i don't agree with those remarks i'm going to put out see fit? or was put out as i see fit? or was there a mistake with a cock up in communication? did an email

go into into junk the go into into the junk or the spam know what spam email? we don't know what happened could be a happened yet. there could be a simple made here the simple mistake made here by the home office to put out a document that was not agreed by number 10. they think it was agreed, but was it? we don't know and that's where her know yet. and that's where her friends they don't think friends tell me they don't think she resign it . but she has to resign over it. but it may be that the pm has grown tired the distraction of tired of the distraction of suella braverman back at the weekend, of course, there's a big whether being big row about whether being homeless lifestyle homeless was a lifestyle choice. should charities banned from should charities be banned from receiving, giving free tents out to homeless that now went to the homeless that now went away? disregarded those away? the pm disregarded those comments, away from those comments, moved away from those comments, didn't he? at the start of week on a visit to start of the week on a visit to nonh start of the week on a visit to north norfolk? the question is, is much? distractions is this too much? distractions a big two weeks coming up for the home office they've got next big two weeks coming up for the home the ce they've got next big two weeks coming up for the home the rwandaye got next big two weeks coming up for the home the rwanda decision,:t big two weeks coming up for the home the rwanda decision, the week. the rwanda decision, the supreme week supreme court the following week they've these net they've got these these net migration figures for the full yeah migration figures for the full year, very year, probably a very big number. the after the number. again, the day after the autumn it's very autumn statement. it's very important. home office and important. the home office and number are together. number 10 are walking together. they're direction they're in the same direction currently are apart currently they are miles apart andisnt currently they are miles apart and isn't this the crucial political question at the crux

of this beyond any question of who said what and when, who sent what email and what particular version of what article was published in the times beyond all of that, cutting through to the core of this suella braverman represents a constituency amongst conservative support that frankly , many people would say frankly, many people would say the prime minister cannot afford to lose if he fires her or if she walks away . she walks away. >> is the risk. not that the prime minister loses a huge constituency of support in the country. support that would be vital to even having a hope in hell of winning the next election . in election. in >> that's right. you're totally right, tom. of course, suella braverman was given that job as home secretary in that chaotic penod home secretary in that chaotic period in politics in october last year by rishi sunak when she came out for his support , of she came out for his support, of course, she declared early, didn't she? on an itv programme last summer when it was up for grabs? who would replace boris johnson stealing a march on

rivals like priti patel and others on the right? he she sits there representing the tory. right. that's why rishi sunak knows he can't really get rid of it easily. and if she if he does get rid of her, she must be replaced by someone from the right. that's why she's so important. and she has almost a free reign say a few things free reign to say a few things here there, which are quite here and there, which are quite difficult left the difficult for the left of the party, centrist, party, the centrist, to understand and support it. and that's and that's why that's her value and that's why almost can behind what almost she can hide behind what the home secretary the what the home secretary is saying. because saying. sometimes because she has can say those things has she can say those things which he can't say sometimes. >> could >> i'll tell you who could replace her. how about replace her. chris how about grant shapps? done every grant shapps? he's done every other cabinet job. i'm not sure they're on the same page politically, but he is a good communicator. >> later. i think he's been given that job in the mod. i think to communicate why the ukraine war is so important for the uk to stay supportive of. he of course, knows families personally himself. he's a communicator and of course he was in fact home secretary for a few days. do you remember pip

dunng few days. do you remember pip during liz truss's government? >> fleetingly, he was, wasn't he, chris couple, fleetingly. >> maybe he's done the job >> so maybe he's done the job already he's to move already and he's time to move on. pip not only has he done the job already, he's replaced suella already. suella braverman already. >> suella grant shapps >> it went suella grant shapps suella don't know if suella again. so i don't know if we're of in this sort of we're sort of in this sort of ping we're sort of in this sort of ping politics, but ping pong of politics, but i suppose other in the suppose one other name in the mix, we're really speculating mix, if we're really speculating that the home secretary could lose job which is lose her job today, which is only speculation, should only speculation, we should hasten add, course hasten to add, is of course priti patel , who's hasten to add, is of course priti patel, who's appearing before the covid inquiry today. yeah that's right. >> the mp for witham. she's, of course giving her evidence to the covid inquiry and certainly she is giving interviews to gb news. she's talking outside of the or her old area of politics, which just crime and which was just crime and punishment trying to i think punishment and trying to i think i think it she won't tell i think i read it she won't tell me this, i'm looking at her me this, but i'm looking at her as observer of politics for as an observer of politics for many someone who's trying many years, someone who's trying to to to augment her appeal to the wider electorate. think wider electorate. and i think that's on. she is that's what's going on. she is certainly liked a certainly someone who is liked a lot by the base and who would be expected to challenge for the

party were mr sunak party leadership were mr sunak to , to quit pm or quit to quit, to quit as pm or quit as party leader. all of this to be decided an election in a be decided by an election in a year or so. year or 50. >> year or so. >> time is really interesting. i suppose have to look at all suppose we have to look at all of these different discussions, all these all of these machinations, these articles, appearances articles, these appearances before in before various inquiries, all in the that potential the frame of that potential leadership election next year after what is if we believe the polls are likely defeat for this government . christopher hope, government. christopher hope, thank you so much for talking through those enormous issues of state for us from our westminster studio . westminster studio. >> i think we were getting a bit of ourselves talking of ahead of ourselves talking about . about replacements. >> the investigation >> yes. no, the investigation has yet concluded . has not yet concluded. >> now, sir keir starmer's battle to keep his party united appeared to intensify or is intensifying after several of his own mps tried to force a commons vote on a ceasefire in gaza. this just hours after bradford east mp imran hussain resigned from the shadow frontbench so he could better call for a ceasefire and those rebellious mps may soon get

their wish. >> of course the snp are now tabling an amendment to the king's speech calling for a immediate truce in the war. how relevant that is to the king's speech i'm not quite sure, but if it's selected it will force labour mps to show their hand and potentially reveal the extent of those divisions within the labour party. >> well , let's speak the labour party. >> well, let's speak again with gb news political correspondent katherine forster. good afternoon to you, catherine. some people would say all this infighting , fighting with infighting, fighting with labouh infighting, fighting with labour, it's just pointless because at the end of the day israel's not going to listen to labour calling for a ceasefire . labour calling for a ceasefire. >> well, that's absolutely correct . of course, benjamin correct. of course, benjamin netanyahu is not going to be influenced. is he in any way, shape or form to call for a ceasefire if labour mps decide that's what should happen? but this does matter very, very much to the labour party because cause of course keir starmer has transformed the party really in a very short space of time from

one led by jeremy corbyn, a man who described terrorist groups hamas and hezbollah, as his friends, where there was a huge issue with anti—semitism . i'm issue with anti—semitism. i'm keir starmer appears to have transformed the party appear to have united it an astonishing feat really. but ever since october the 7th with those horrific attacks and divisions have been emerging. and as the death toll rises and rises in gaza now to over 10,000, reportedly see the divisions are getting clearer and clearer. so, yes , the official position from yes, the official position from sir keir starmer is that labour supports a humanity. korean pause. supports a humanity. korean pause . that's the same position pause. that's the same position as the british government, the same position as the united states . but many, same position as the united states. but many, many labour mps , about a third of labour mps mps, about a third of labour mps and about 17 shadow front benches have openly come out in defiance of that position,

calling for a ceasefire. and it's quite likely that next week there might be a vote in the houses of parliament because the snp are trying to ensure that there is and at that point we will really see how many mps, labour mps are prepared to nail their colours to the mast with this. now sir keir starmer was here in wolverhampton. just a little earlier talking to local people , to students talking to people, to students talking to broadcast masters. he was asked about this and really he batted it away. he said he's not going to get into hypotheticals about votes. that might not happen . votes. that might not happen. but if and when this vote does happen, i suspect it will happen . what will he do ? because at . what will he do? because at the moment he's allowed allowed mps largely to say they want to support a ceasefire if that's how they feel. but will he allow that on a vote ? will he allow a that on a vote? will he allow a free vote if he does, he's going to be accused of being weak. but if he doesn't, i think that would be potentially even more

dangerous because you could then be looking at at a string of resignations. so very, very difficult for the labour leader. obviously, problems within the conservative party over israel , conservative party over israel, gaza. but i think even more serious for the labour party and particularly serious because potentially this reveals how sir keir starmer's modernised project his mission to show that the labour party has changed might only be surface deep if he's changed how the leadership speak. >> but so many of his mps still take their line from jeremy corbyn on gaza rather than sir keir starmer. perhaps it shows that this modernisation, this moderation project, was merely a mirage. katherine forster thank you so much for speaking to us. we'll be back with you later in the programme. >> stay with us here on gb news live. we'll be hearing from tel aviv of the un commissioner for human rights has accused both both hamas and israel of war crimes. we'll be delving into

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monday to thursdays from six till 930 . till 930. >> well, just ahead of remembrance weekend, let's talk about young war veterans because the risk of suicide in veterans aged under 25 is up to four times higher than the general population. and 11 of those who served in recent military operations are likely to report

alcohol problems. >> well, the former the forssa protocol beg your pardon is a new initiative aimed at improving police protocol when a veteran goes missing . veteran goes missing. >> patron, actor and broadcaster ross kemp is supporting claire lily. now, claire lost her veteran husband to suicide , and veteran husband to suicide, and after he went missing , my former after he went missing, my former husband was a veteran, a ptsd war veteran, and he sadly took his own life in the lockdown of 2020. >> there are various measures that can be put into place to prevent suicides, particularly within the veteran sector, from happening . happening. >> my key message would be that due to the fragmented nature of the veteran welfare landscape, it's imperative that there's a multi—sectoral approach . multi—sectoral approach. >> yeah, so the most important thing when anyone goes missing isfime thing when anyone goes missing is time and understanding the profile of that person . profile of that person. >> so the force of protocol is something that claire has come up with to make sure that the

officers that are trying to find someone who's been is a veteran or has served in our armed forces, has been part of the armed forces community that they know that that person is a veteran or has served and they can have an idea of what medication they may be on, what personal issues they might have right now, whether they're they're using alcohol, whether they're using alcohol, whether they're drugs , all things they're using drugs, all things that help the officers help that can help the officers help locate that person as fast as possible. >> but that information isn't going to be held by the police because it's sensitive because it's very sensitive information . it's going to be information. it's going to be held by a company called safe and found online. and that can be accessed through the use of a code by the only once code by the police. only once that has gone actually that person has gone actually missing. there's a lot out there that can help a veteran breathwork di diet, exercise all these there's lots of alternative . alternative. >> talking is a good thing. but not this incessant talking. and communication because that really ignites the trauma. so therefore all the services need to pass that information over

for them on their behalf so that they don't have to keep recounting that trauma. >> i think there's a big issue. i i'm a civilian. i work sometimes with the services . i sometimes with the services. i think there is still a lack of understanding amongst us. the public, as to what a lot of service personnel go through, both male, both male and female. and i think creating a better understanding is one of the major things, particularly at this time of year. it's the only time really that we remember the members of our armed forces, the sacrifice forces that are making currently and the sacrifices that they have made in the past. but also, you've got to bear in mind that we're losing one veteran per week to suicide, and that's quite simply is unacceptable . well, we'd like unacceptable. well, we'd like them to help push the force of protocol a protocol that helps the police recognise that when someone goes missing and they're a veteran, that they are a veteran quite simply. and all the complex issues that come with that, please ask the question. and also we'd like to

see this rolled out nationally. it's only being rolled out presently greater manchester presently by greater manchester police. like see this police. we'd like to see this adopted national level. adopted at a national level. yeah, personally with the sector veterans that actually go missing or contemplate taking their own life, they're often their own life, they're often the forgotten tragedy and forgotten people, kind of people. that's element of war, you know, because as we said, when the guns go silent, the battle begins. i think there is still a massive issue with post traumatic stress disorder. it can manifest itself at any point after service or even during it. i think we still there's still a lot to be done to start understanding that and the impact it not only has on that individual , impact it not only has on that individual, but the family meet the family members around that and i think, you know, i would urge people to buy a poppy or to support a military charity. if the royal british legion isn't the royal british legion isn't the one that you choose, particularly at this time, because this is a time where we only do it for two weeks in the whole year when we remember the

sacrifices of others that have allowed us to have the liberty and live in the democracy that we do listen to ross kemp i've got some good advice there certainly, certainly really, really interesting to hear from ross and claire. >> now, as the israeli military claims to have captured a hamas stronghold after a bitter ten hour battle, the un commissioner for human rights has claimed that both israel and hamas have committed war crimes since the conflict began on. >> meanwhile, the french president, emmanuel macron, has called for a humanitarian pause in fighting, which follows the israeli military's decision to reopen an evacuation road that allows civilians to move from northern gaza to the south after the rafah crossing between egypt and gaza was closed today . and gaza was closed today. >> let's hear from a voice on the ground now, and that is israeli journalist yotam confino, who i believe yotam, you are in tel aviv this afternoon . hello to you . bring afternoon. hello to you. bring us up to date then with what is

actually happening within gaza . actually happening within gaza. there are suggestions that that the israeli military is getting closer and closer to al—shifa hosphal closer and closer to al—shifa hospital, which is where hamas is believed to have a command centre . centre. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> the israeli army believes that hamas has a headquarter of some sorts underneath the al—shifa hospital. it's a basically an underground tunnel network where they are hiding and where they're operating from. but it's not the only hospital that they're using. israel has pointed to two other hospitals where hamas is also hiding. it's the indonesian hospital and a hospital funded by qatar . so it hospital and a hospital funded by qatar. so it is hospital and a hospital funded by qatar . so it is inevitable by qatar. so it is inevitable that israel will eventually get to these hospitals because they will have to find every member of hamas inside gaza. and this is what we're seeing now. israel is what we're seeing now. israel is also issuing all kinds of video documenting action, showing that rocket launchers are very, very, very close to these hospitals. in fact, only 75m from one of the hospitals .

75m from one of the hospitals. and it's doing this because it needs to convince the international system that what it's doing is systematic dismantling hamas inside gaza , dismantling hamas inside gaza, which has been a top priority from the beginning. but it cannot do that without going to these specific areas such as the hospital, such as schools and mosques. so this is once again a huge battle for information and to be on the right side of history, morally at least, that's what israel claims. >> i suppose this is why it's so important that idf soldiers are on the ground there rather than just airstrikes . after airstrike just airstrikes. after airstrike takes place. but i suppose there is still this worry that despite hamas hosting clearly so many command centres amongst nestled in that civilian population in the places that are least likely to be struck from the air. do we know if there are still civilians in these hospitals despite the idf's warning things to move south and move south

quickly ? quickly? >> yes, we know al shifa is still running. it's in dire need of medical supplies . as it says, of medical supplies. as it says, it's overcrowded. it's almost two patients per bed. it got some very much needed medical suppues some very much needed medical supplies yesterday. so that hospital is still operating . hospital is still operating. roughly half of the hospitals in gaza are not working anymore due to a lack of fuel . and in to a lack of fuel. and in general, just because they are not working anymore. so israel is trying now to get closer to these areas. but again, as long as hamas is in there, this is a highly , highly sensitive and highly, highly sensitive and dangerous area for civilians to be in. now, israel can say that it wants civilians to move south, which a lot of them have been doing, but there are also many that are sick and that cannot physically move. so that is a huge dilemma. and i think very few people know how israel can actually solve this. is this problem without physically going in to the hospital and to help

evacuate them? but if they do, and hamas are in fact in there, thatis and hamas are in fact in there, that is going to be an absolute nightmare both for the israeli soldiers, for the civilians , and soldiers, for the civilians, and of course, also for hamas . of course, also for hamas. >> and what makes it so difficult for civilians , yotam, difficult for civilians, yotam, is that they are there , penned is that they are there, penned in. they're not allowed through the rafah crossing to find , you the rafah crossing to find, you know, shelter that is that is safer because it appears that nowhere in gaza, even in the south, is safe . south, is safe. >> absolutely. and i think it's one of the things that we've overlooked and maybe neglected too much in our coverage of this war. we talk a lot about the israeli siege, which is which is absolutely true. there is a huge siege on gaza on all of the israeli border crossings. but eqypt israeli border crossings. but egyptis israeli border crossings. but egypt is a key player here. and eqypt egypt is a key player here. and egyptis egypt is a key player here. and egypt is a key player here. and egypt is a close ally of the palestinians. so if egypt had an interest in helping these people , it would allow not just a few hundred wounded palestinians to

go into sinai. anyone who has looked at the map and seen sinai , sinai is huge and all countries in the world are lining up to help with aid, to put up to set up field hospitals. so it's not as if they are lacking a help at all. it's simply a matter of not allowing the palestinians to cross into sinai because egypt does not want to be seen as complicit in in transferring people from gaza into egypt and allowing israel to take over this this this area. but it's a huge problem because egypt is really , really also failing in really, really also failing in many ways to help the palestinians here. >> it's an absolutely fascinating dynamic between all of the power players in this area, but perhaps , perhaps it area, but perhaps, perhaps it could be viewed as a little perhaps more than callous that the egyptian government just keeps that crossing shut and keeps that crossing shut and keeps people penned in. perhaps that's not spoken about enough. but yotam confino, thank you so much for talking us through

those thorny issues on the ground there in israel . ground there in israel. >> we'll do stay with us. we're going to be talking about the damage to the cenotaph in rochdale. we were bringing you that yesterday. well, there is an update. we'll be telling you what that is very shortly. first, let's get your headlines us with tatiana . us with tatiana. >> thank you and good afternoon. it's 233. this is the latest from the newsroom. downing street says the prime minister did not clear suella braverman's article accusing the police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters . playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters. in the piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestinian rallies to go ahead on armistice day. number 10 says rishi sunak still has full confidence in the home secretary. liberal democrat leader sir ed davey is calling for the prime minister to sack her over her claims. rishi sunak met the police commissioner

yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable. the labour leader's called braverman out of control across the country. >> i think we see people who are reasonable , able, who are reasonable, able, who are moderate and who would always want to support the police in making difficult decisions in difficult circumstances . and difficult circumstances. and that's what you get with an incoming labour government. if we're privileged to come in to serve what you've got at the moment is the complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive , who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police as arrests have been made after the cenotaph in rochdale was sprayed with free palestine graffiti across its base, greater manchester police said poppies were removed from the war memorial on tuesday afternoon , memorial on tuesday afternoon, june 2nd. >> male teenagers are being questioned by police . a group of questioned by police. a group of

protesters have scaled scottish parliament to hang a banner and palestinian flag . the group of palestinian flag. the group of five climbed up the outside of the main entrance, draping the banneh the main entrance, draping the banner, which reads stop arming israel. police have cordoned off the area underneath, but business in parliament is continuing. police said they're aware of the protest and officers are in attendance . for officers are in attendance. for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website, gbnews.com .

the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on, gb news. >> welcome back to gb news live. now we began this hour as we've begun every hour of this program with the astonishing news that number 10 is currently reviewing and investigating what happened last night between the prime minister's office and the home secretary. there has been some speculate , ian, that the home speculate, ian, that the home secretary's future may be hanging in the balance, hanging over that decision that is being taken place in number 10 as we speak. taken place in number 10 as we speak . but gb viewers have been speak. but gb viewers have been getting in touch to share their views on this entire situation . views on this entire situation. roger says perhaps keir starmer could explain what is not extreme when a bunch of people like marching about in our capital city shouting jeer hard and threatening and insulting chance to our jewish community, richard says gb news must get

behind suella braverman you will find 90% of your viewers backer and judy says suella is as our prime minister. that's a bit of a surprise. get rid of wishy washy rishi. that's difficult to say . suella hits hard and means say. suella hits hard and means it. that is the view from judy. yeah, she she hits hard. >> but you know, i think there are some people that say she has to watch her language and her rhetoric and she can whip people up.andi rhetoric and she can whip people up. and i can see i got slammed earlier by questioning her language when she talked about poppy language when she talked about poppy sellers being mobbed. now |, poppy sellers being mobbed. now i, i saw one photograph of protesters surrounding poppy sellers. i haven't seen a whole ream of them. i haven't spoken to poppy sellers that have told me that they felt intimidated . me that they felt intimidated. but if you see it enough on the front pages, you can you can see why people would think , oh, why people would think, oh, well, i better be careful. i won't go out and sell poppies this weekend. when you keep talking about hate marches, you can also see why people might

think that's what it is. but it's not necessarily factually correct. and i think facts are so, so important and language is important. >> well, it would be fascinating to know what the alleged change is to the article. were that number 10 allegedly wanted , number 10 allegedly wanted, which then allegedly were not made highlighted in yellow, which bits did number 10 want taken out, which were then actually printed. we don't actually printed. and we don't know this. we don't know know any of this. we don't know any of this detail. but of course, ongoing course, that is ongoing throughout the afternoon and we'll any updates as we'll bring you any updates as and when we them. and when we get them. >> but let's tell you about greater manchester police arresting two men in connection with damage to the cenotaph in rochdale jail. we were showing you pictures of that yesterday. >> now, the two teenagers were arrested of causing arrested on suspicion of causing racially aggravated criminal damage and remain in police custody at the time for questioning. >> and northwest of england, reporter sophie reaper is in rochdale for us now. so good afternoon to you, sophie. bring us right up to date then with what's happened this what's happened with this investigation .

investigation. >> good afternoon to you both. well we know that on tuesday evening , the cenotaph here in evening, the cenotaph here in rochdale behind me was graffitied on one side. the sign behind me here, there was a large blob of green paint daubed onto the side. and on the back half there were the words free palestine sprayed in large black letters. well, as you say, we do now know that two male teenagers have been arrested. as you say , have been arrested. as you say, on suspicion of causing racial be aggravated criminal damage . be aggravated criminal damage. and they do remain in the custody of greater manchester police for further questioning in response to this, the detective chief inspector stuart rand has said the cenotaph means a lot to the community in rochdale and the recent incidents have been deeply upsetting , particularly at a upsetting, particularly at a time when we should be honouring the memory of war veterans. now the memory of war veterans. now the words that recent incidents they used that because this isn't the first incident here in rochdale . we also know that on

rochdale. we also know that on monday, two teenagers were arrested due to a separate incident . and over the weekend incident. and over the weekend there was a video circulating on social media which showed palestinian flags had been laid on the front of the cenotaph and that the poppy wreaths had been discarded in front of the cenotaph . now, i'm not sure if cenotaph. now, i'm not sure if you can see over my shoulder there that the wreaths have been replaced. they are ready to go for remembrance weekend. and there are still i was here yesterday. i was telling you that there were gmp, were monitoring and guarding the site. i can see two pcsos over my shoulder here making sure that this site remains untouched . now, in the lead up to remembrance weekend , sophie remembrance weekend, sophie reaperin remembrance weekend, sophie reaper in rochdale , thanks very reaper in rochdale, thanks very much . much. >> well, the energy secretary has claimed that labour is against british oil and gas jobs and wants to increase our reliance on imports from foreign regimes. that's a quote from claire coutinho . claire coutinho. >> and real pay. well, that's

not grown for 17 years, according to economists at pwc , according to economists at pwc, which predicts that living standards in britain will remain low for years to come to slightly different topics there, but let's talk to liam halligan about it . our economics but let's talk to liam halligan about it. our economics and business editor with on the money . let's just just talk money. let's just just talk about the energy security issue . about the energy security issue. claire coutinho, does she have a point ? point? >> i think she does, actually. i mean , lots of economic news mean, lots of economic news around at the moment. get used to it. it's going to be like this all the way to the general election. so we're going to need lots of economics and business coverage gb news, aren't we, tom? >> well, as bill clinton once said, it's the economy, stupid. >> wasn't bill clinton. it >> it wasn't bill clinton. it was his chief economic adviser, james it's james carville. and it's absolutely the end . and absolutely true. in the end. and it's issues , as the it's pocketbook issues, as the american americans say , that american americans say, that determine do you feel determine elections. do you feel wealthier, the pound or the dollar in your pocket ? claire dollar in your pocket? claire coutinho relatively new energy

secretary, close ally of rishi sunak, somebody very much augned sunak, somebody very much aligned with the kind of environmental wing of the conservative party, but she's learning fast in the job, if you know what i mean. as politicians often do. look, rishi sunak sees the north sea as a very important wedge issue, putting clear blue water between his party and labour because keir starmer of course, has said that he won't allow any new oil and gas licences if labour take office. there are currently around 300 drilling licences , around 300 drilling licences, but around half of them expire by 2030. we still get 75% of our energy in this country from oil and gas. you can't just rub that out, you know. and so , so what's out, you know. and so, so what's what? rishi sunak has done a few weeks ago, you'll remember the pip. he said, we're going to issue some new licences and they've done that. how many of them will actually be taken up when there's a 75% windfall tax on profits ? we'll wait see. on profits? we'll wait and see. but sunak's doubling on but now sunak's doubling down on that pretty much the only

that and pretty much the only major economic proposal in the king's speech you know, nothing on pensions , nothing on social on pensions, nothing on social care, nothing really on to trouble the scorers when it comes to the economy. but he did do north sea oil and gas. he said he's going to make the annual he's going to make the renewal of north sea gas licences, the bidding licences, all the bidding process. it process. he's going to make it annual process. he's going to make it annual. it's going to be bolted into calendar. the into the calendar. at the moment, random. they moment, it's quite random. they might they might not. might have one, they might not. so he's not only going to allow more oil gas more north sea oil and gas licences, he's going to increase the them to be the opportunities for them to be extended say, oh, but extended and labour say, oh, but you done anything on you haven't done anything on bills and no, they haven't done anything bills. but the idea bills and no, they haven't done arif hing bills. but the idea bills and no, they haven't done arif we; bills. but the idea bills and no, they haven't done arif we can bills. but the idea bills and no, they haven't done arif we can drill. but the idea bills and no, they haven't done arif we can drill more the idea bills and no, they haven't done arif we can drill more of! idea bills and no, they haven't done arif we can drill more of ourea is if we can drill more of our own north sea oil and gas, then unit prices in uk unit energy prices in the uk should come down. that's that's the idea. >> and liam, matters >> and liam, this matters because i suppose the government is looking at the areas of the economy we can get economy where we can get productivity, jobs , growth, productivity, jobs, growth, frankly, tax revenue as well, because you've got some statistics about the high

streets that perhaps aren't so rosy. >> no , sure. come on to the high >> no, sure. come on to the high street in a minute. it absolutely matters. look, aberdeen, right, is the oil and gas capital of europe . oil and gas capital of europe. oil and gas capital of europe. oil and gas is scotland's biggest industry. so if keir starmer needs scotland to win downing street. right. so sunak is highlighting the fact that he isn't doing much for the oil and gas industry and indeed the gmb , gas industry and indeed the gmb, the third biggest union, a very powerful union under smith, powerful union under gary smith, very canny operator there saying that they want these new drilling licences because they have thousands of workers , tens have thousands of workers, tens of thousands, in fact, who work across the oil and gas industry. but you're tom, just but you're right, tom, just broadening out, here are broadening this out, here are some on uk high some figures on the uk high street which don't make great reading. so retail sales were up 2.5% in october compared to october 2022. that sounds okay, but they are up 2.7% in september. so that's a reduction. and the average increase in retail sales across the last 12 months compared to the last 12 months compared to the same month the previous year

has been 4.2. so you can see retail sales are slowing down and at the same time, in inflation is 6.7. so the increase in retail sales is less than inflation. so as we say in real terms post inflation, retail sales are actually down. now this may counter what a lot of gb news viewers and listeners have been hearing because oh, m&s are doing really well and they are. m&s is quite an up—market store. their profits are up 56. shapo to them. it's a great british brand. w.h. smith is doing quite well. their annual profits are up 96, but if you drill down into those and w.h. smith numbers , their high w.h. smith numbers, their high street stores haven't done particularly well at all. their retail sales have fallen on the yeah retail sales have fallen on the year. it's the travel shops, it's the airport shops, it's the train station shops that are doing really well when it comes to charge twice as much, where they charge lots and people are generally, you know, they're they're bit better or they're a bit better off or they're a bit better off or they're going holiday and they're going on holiday and they're going on holiday and they themselves a novel and they buy themselves a novel and all rest of so look ,

all the rest of it. so look, these it's great w.h. smith are doing well. it's great. m&s is doing well. it's great. m&s is doing we've got to take doing well. we've got to take our good news where we can get it. but the bigger picture on the is not great. the high street is not great. and bigger picture on and the bigger picture on incomes finish off isn't incomes just to finish off isn't great either. cited great either. you cited pricewaterhousecoopers, great either. you cited pricbigterhousecoopers, great either. you cited pricbig accountingypers, great either. you cited pric big accounting firms, great either. you cited pricbig accounting firms, and the big accounting firms, and they've up with study, as they've come up with a study, as you pip. it says they've come up with a study, as you household pip. it says they've come up with a study, as you household incomes;ays they've come up with a study, as you household incomes in s they've come up with a study, as you household incomes in the that household incomes in the round haven't recovered since 2006. so we are still suffering not just the long tail of the pandemic, we're still suffering the long tail of the 2008 global financial crisis . financial crisis. >> it makes you wonder what christmas spending will be like. you know, we're seeing all the big the big cheeses do their christmas adverts. we are . how christmas adverts. we are. how much money are people going to have to. >> i think i think there will be splurging going on at christmas. but unfortunately this is the british way and i've seen it through many economic cycles. people determined have people are determined to have a good for themselves good christmas for themselves and families. indeed, and their families. and indeed, you better shops you know better heeled shops like m&s will do really well. i'm sure you know, sainsbury's

and do relatively and waitrose will do relatively well, i think other people well, but i think other people will spend money, but they'll, they'll end up putting it on tick. it's when the credit card bills hit the mat in january that you really understand the price of a good christmas. that's particularly the case where real wages now the where still real wages now the increases , they are just above increases, they are just above the rate of inflation. but these are average real wage increases and a lot of people, they're not getting the wage rises. and those real wage average increase numbers, they're skewed by the fact that in the city of fact that people in the city of london elsewhere are getting london and elsewhere are getting massive pay rises. it's massive pay rises. so it's always worth looking at the details. news, but details. some good news, but there's still a lot of pain out there's still a lot of pain out there street. there on the high street. >> well, liam , thank you very >> well, liam, thank you very much us the very much for bringing us the very latest the general economic latest on the general economic picture . picture. >> em- f- e it's been the >> for now, it's been the guardian versus the home office . guardian versus the home office. today, a tribunal has been taking place over royal security costs . costs. >> now the guardian challenges the government's refusal to tell the government's refusal to tell the public how much taxpayer cash is spent on protecting the

king and the royal family. well here's tell us more is gb news royal correspondent cameron walker . now, royal correspondent cameron walker. now, this is an unusual little case, i suppose , where a little case, i suppose, where a newspaper is trying to exact information, but not about politicians. instead about a ceremonial head of state. >> indeed. so the metropolitan police is responsible for protecting members of the royal family and the guardian person of freedom of information requests of a home office asking how much of our money tax payers money spent on the royal money was spent on the royal family between the years 2017 to 2020 in terms of protecting them and their security? the home office refused that request and thatis office refused that request and that is why we've ended up in this situation . we've got today this situation. we've got today where the guardian is court where the guardian is in court trying to get a judge to force the home office to release those financial figures. so we're talking about armed bodyguards, these close protection metropolitan police officers, which are in with each member of the family and the the royal family and the round the royal family and the round the clock protection of their homes as well . so homes and palaces as well. so

james rutherford, yesterday in court, who provided the witness statement, he works for the home office. he said that potential attackers would gain a mosaic of information if the cost of protecting an individual member of the royal family is revealed . of the royal family is revealed. you also went on to say, but it's the substantial step. it's a substantial step, which would increase of an attack increase the risk of an attack and that valuable new inferences. in other words , an inferences. in other words, an educated guess would be acquired by potential attacker as well. by a potential attacker as well. now, in response, stephen craig, kc, representing the guardian, said that as long as the information is generalised, there's not going to be any increased risk to that particular member of the royal family. fact in the family. and in fact it's in the pubuc family. and in fact it's in the public disclose that public interest to disclose that information so we can have a much more informed discussion information so we can have a much thee informed discussion information so we can have a much the monarchyi discussion information so we can have a much the monarchy and:ussion information so we can have a much the monarchy and make] information so we can have a much the monarchy and make the about the monarchy and make the institution more accountable . institution more accountable. well, he also went on to suggest quite interestingly, that the sovereign grant is misleading. now, the sovereign grant is the pot money which taxpayers pot of money which taxpayers give the royal family each give to the royal family each year to fund things like travel and staff salaries , etcetera. it

and staff salaries, etcetera. it was £86 million last year, but that does not include that figure, does not include the security costs of the royal family. so that's what's being battled out in court at the moment . moment. >> could this set a precedence then , a precedent? then, a precedent? >> well, let's look at the context here. so it's always been a secret how much security is spent on the royal family. but it's also a secret of how much security spent on the prime minister or government ministers orindeed minister or government ministers or indeed former prime ministers. we have seven living former prime ministers at the moment which has added moment, which clearly has added to the taxpayers bill our money. if you compare that to the united states, the president of the united states, secret service security bill is a very, very high, but also it is published in minute detail every yeah published in minute detail every year. so that is the difference here. it would be setting a huge precedent if judges at the end of the day, say to the home office, you have to publish these because they have office, you have to publish these been because they have office, you have to publish these been published they have office, you have to publish these been published before.ive never been published before. >> very interesting >> it's very interesting that the we want the guardian is saying we want these to start these figures to start a conversation about whether or not have monarchy, which

not we have a monarchy, which i mean, they suggesting that mean, are they suggesting that if president that if we if we had a president that if we had we elected president had if we elected president blair, wouldn't any blair, he wouldn't have any security he security at all, that he wouldn't any of the bells wouldn't have any of the bells and whistles that the royal family have today? and whistles that the royal family hii e today? and whistles that the royal family hii thinkay? and whistles that the royal family hii think the guardian >> well, i think the guardian suggesting family suggesting that the royal family would accountable would be more accountable if these published, these figures are published, because lots of because at the moment, lots of stuff still shrouded in stuff is still shrouded in secrecy. i think that's what the guardian is getting at here. but secrecy. i think that's what the gu thean is getting at here. but secrecy. i think that's what the gu the otherjetting at here. but secrecy. i think that's what the gu the other hand, at here. but secrecy. i think that's what the gu the other hand, evenzre. but secrecy. i think that's what the gu the other hand, even ifs. but secrecy. i think that's what the gu the other hand, even if the |t on the other hand, even if the monarchy these monarchy ended tomorrow, these individuals still require individuals would still require police protection because clearly we live in a very unsafe world and even if king charles was not head of state, he's still a very well protected pubuc still a very well protected public figure who was born into this role. so i don't think it would change anything in terms of public bill at the end of of the public bill at the end of the interesting the year. interesting >> cameron, thank you very >> well, cameron, thank you very much for talking us through that story. indeed, thanks all story. and indeed, thanks to all our the our contributors today. it's the end show. back, end of the show. we're back, of course, tomorrow. next, course, tomorrow. but up next, it's daubney . hello course, tomorrow. but up next, it's daubney. hello again i >> -- >> i'm -_ >> i'm alex burkill with your latest news. weather forecast

further sunny spells, but also showers through the next day or so. however, it is going to turn dneh so. however, it is going to turn drier, albeit chilly , into the drier, albeit chilly, into the weekend. at the moment, we have low pressure towards the north—west of the uk and that is bringing strong winds, bringing some strong winds, particularly the south—west particularly in the south—west and quite a showery theme , and also quite a showery theme, plenty as we go plenty of showers as we go through evening and through this evening and overnight, across overnight, especially across western further east, western parts. further east, we're going to have some drier, clearer weather for a time. the heaviest rain in the south—west and that's where we're going to have strongest too, have the strongest winds, too, with a with gales, perhaps even a little stronger that, little bit stronger than that, where skies. it is where we see clear skies. it is going to turn quite chilly. some frost is quite likely, particularly across parts of scotland. a bit of a chilly scotland. so a bit of a chilly start for us on friday start for many of us on friday morning. and a bit a wet one, morning. and a bit of a wet one, too, in the south. outbreaks of rain here, but they will clear away the away as we go through the morning. elsewhere, a bit morning. elsewhere, quite a bit of and at times sunny of dry and at times sunny weather, scattering of weather, though, a scattering of showers still likely, particularly to particularly in areas exposed to the winds . so northern the northerly winds. so northern coasts some western and coasts and some western and eastern fringes , too. eastern fringes, too. temperatures are going to be a

little bit on the low side highs of around 8 or 9 in the north. getting to around 11 or 12 further south with a cold frosty start for quite a few of us on saturday morning. but there will be of sunshine quite be plenty of sunshine and quite a bit of sunshine as we go through the day as well. a few showers are possible mainly towards coastal areas, but it should as we go should stay largely dry as we go into however some wet into sunday. however some wet and windy weather going to and windy weather is going to arrive bye. i'll see arrive later. bye bye. i'll see you

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