soon good afternoon. 3 pm. welcome to the patrick christys show with me. martin daubney action packed show coming up. starting off braverman on the brink. >> the knives are out for suella starmer. >> sadiq khan, yvette cooper, all putting in the boot after she put the boot into the met. >> today's big question is do we sack suella or is she the tories saviour .7 saviour? >> next up, labour's gaza divisions continue another day and more palestine problems for them as this time it turns out one of starmer's lackeys, one of his top staff actually works for a charity that's been organising all of the controversial marches i >> -- >> we'll have the full inside story on that next up , breaking story on that next up, breaking news, the cenotaph at rochdale. vandals ised two teenage men have been arrested on suspicion of that vandalism will cross live to sophie reaper for all of the latest on the story that's gnpped the latest on the story that's gripped the nation and finally, labour's energy plans. they're

promising to slash your bills. what's all the detail ? we'll what's all the detail? we'll have liam halligan to find out. will it light your fire or it's just a load of old hot air. all that on today's show . so get in that on today's show. so get in touch on all those topics the usual way. vaiews@gbnews.com. the big one. suella sack or all. we all know what you think. all of that and loads more after your news headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom downing street says the prime minister did not clear suella braverman article accusing the police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters . in pro—palestinian protesters. in the piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestine rallies to go ahead on armistice day.

number 10, says rishi sunak still has full confidence in the home secretary. liberal democrats leader sir ed davey is calling for the prime minister to sack her over her claims. rishi sunak met the police commissioner yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable . the labour leader's accountable. the labour leader's called braverman out of control across the country. >> i think we see people who are reasonable , who are moderate and reasonable, who are moderate and who would always want to support the police in making difficult decisions in difficult circumstances . and that's what circumstances. and that's what you get with an incoming labour government. if we're privileged to come in to serve what you've got at the moment is the complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive , who secretary who is divisive, who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police . shapps. undermining the police. shapps. >> meanwhile , london mayor sadiq >> meanwhile, london mayor sadiq khan says he's astonished by the home secretary's , quote, home secretary's, quote, incorrect and inflammatory times

article. i think her behaviour over the last few weeks has been behaviour that is irresponsible. >> her article in the times was incorrect and inflammatory at a time when senior politicians should be bringing communities together, uniting people who have differences. instead, she is stoking divisions and i worry as a consequence of her words and her behaviour. as a consequence of her words and her behaviour . you'll see and her behaviour. you'll see this saturday an armistice day. the far right edl and other like people turning up on saturday causing problems . causing problems. >> arrests have been made after the cenotaph in rochdale was sprayed with free palestine graffiti across its base. greater manchester police said poppies were removed from the war memorial on tuesday afternoon and it's currently a crime scene to male teenagers are being questioned by police . are being questioned by police. a group of protesters have scaled scottish parliament to hang a banner and a palestinian flag . the group of five climbed flag. the group of five climbed up the outside of the main

entrance, draping the banner , entrance, draping the banner, which reads stop arming israel . which reads stop arming israel. police have cordoned off the area underneath , but business in area underneath, but business in parliament is continuing. police said they're aware of the protest and officers are in attendance . idf soldiers attendance. idf soldiers uncovered tunnel shafts and seized weapons caches when they took control of a hamas outpost in northern gaza. they say it took ten hours of fighting to take control of the military stronghold in western jabalia. health authorities from both the palestinian and israeli sides claim over 12,000 people have died in the conflict , with an died in the conflict, with an additional 163 fatalities in the west bank. yosef puskar has been found guilty of murdering a school teacher in county offaly . school teacher in county offaly. 23 year old aisling murphy was killed while exercising on a canal path in tullamore in january last year. canal path in tullamore in january last year . judge mr january last year. judge mr justice tony hunt told the jury, we have evil in this room . the

we have evil in this room. the supreme court is set to give its decision on whether a government plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda is lawful . the court of rwanda is lawful. the court of appeal ruled in june the plan to deport those seeking asylum to the east african nation was unlawful . the home office unlawful. the home office challenged that ruling last month. the decision on the challenge is expected to be made on wednesday . former home on wednesday. former home secretary dame priti patel says early in the pandemic there was no ability to prevent coronavirus arriving in the uk through the borders. the former home secretary made those comments while she is being questioned at the covid inquiry today, she's facing questions about lockdown rules . dame about lockdown rules. dame pretty also made clear to the inquiry that the department for health and social care was responsible for covid laws . responsible for covid laws. she'd lobbied for stricter border controls in the early stages of the pandemic in an attempt to prevent the virus reaching the uk. she was reaching the uk. but she was overruled by the nhs. waiting list in england has hit a record high, with more people facing

delays of more than a year and a half. nhs england found the wait list increased to just over 7.5 million at the end of september. officials say it's made up of 6.5 million patients, with some people waiting for more than one treatment. the overall list is now nearly 3.5 million higher than it was before the covid pandemic . and finally, the queen pandemic. and finally, the queen has commemorated the nation's war dead at a ceremony at westminster abbey's field of remembrance, camilla paid tribute and recognised the sacrifices of those who fought and died for their country. in her first visit to the abbey since the coronation. after placing the cross down camilla and hundreds of veterans fell silent as the chimes of big ben rang out . this is gb news across rang out. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car or on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. and now it's back to . martin

and now it's back to. martin >> thank you, tatiana. >> thank you, tatiana. >> right, let's get cracking and there's only one place to start today and it's the huge rail that's blown up. following suella braverman comments about the metropolitan police, the home secretary has been accused of incorrect and of making incorrect and inflammatory comments about the met police by sadiq khan. braverman wrote an article in the times which was not signed off by downing street in advance. well, let's take a look at the comments that have caused this latest controversy. braverman said. there is a perception that senior police officers play favours . it's when officers play favours. it's when it comes to protesters, right wing and nationalist protesters who engage in aggression are rightly met with a stern response . yet pro—palestinian response. yet pro—palestinian mobs displaying almost identical behaviour are largely ignored, even when clearly breaking the law . so i've spoken to serving law. so i've spoken to serving and former police officers who have noted this double standard ,

have noted this double standard, while sir keir starmer says braverman is divisive and is undermining the police across the country, i think we see people who are reasonable, who are moderate and who would always want to support the police in making difficult decisions in difficult circumstances. >> what you've got at the moment is the complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive , who secretary who is divisive, who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police force as they go into a very difficult set of operational decisions, then that's compound founded by then that's compound founded by the fact that we've got a prime minister who is too weak to do anything about it . that's the anything about it. that's the worst of all circumstances . he worst of all circumstances. he must know that this isn't the way in which a home secretary should behave. he must know in himself that the role of responsible government is to reduce tension and to support

the police in difficult decisions that they have to make . he's got a home secretary who's out of control and he is too weak to do anything about it. that's the worst of all combinations . combinations. >> okay, starmer , they're >> okay, starmer, they're putting the boot in earlier in wolverhampton. let's speak to our political editor, christopher hope. chris, day christopher hope. chris, a day of high drama starmer suella is out of control. yvette cooper she is deliberately inflaming community tensions. sadiq khan she is being irresponsible. meanwhile rishi has said he has full confidence in her now in football that normally means you get the boot in the morning. what's the latest? >> well, to be fair, there was a question we asked, of course, the prime minister's spokesman did they then can say little else apart from their full confidence and until, of course, else apart from their full confidon't. and until, of course, else apart from their full confidon't. and until, of course, else apart from their full confidon't. and the l, of course, else apart from their full confidon't. and the questionse, they don't. and the question right will that right now is when will that moment it could be moment happen? it could be today. it could be in the near future. i do know that government whips are right now ringing to ask ringing around tory mps to ask their of what they think their opinion of what they think about suella bravermans comments

. in . this double standards in policing support them? . this double standards in polithey support them? . this double standards in polithey in support them? . this double standards in polithey in favour? pport them? . this double standards in polithey in favour? that's hem? are they in favour? that's prompted a group called the new conservatives. these are a new kind of centre right group in the tory party sources close to them tell me that overwhelmingly our members are telling their whips very supportive. our members are telling their wh right very supportive. our members are telling their wh right ve yourpportive. our members are telling their wh right ve you speak, 'e. so right now, as you speak, martin, whatsapps are hot in martin, the whatsapps are hot in westminster. are westminster. the phone calls are going to tory saying, going in to tory mps saying, what think about suella what do you think about suella braverman? and that often can lead . and it goes the wrong lead. and if it goes the wrong way, wrong way for the home secretary being fired, we secretary to her being fired, we are there we don't know are not there yet. we don't know what outcome will this what the outcome will be of this dispute about this dispute about whether this overnight you overnight article, which you read from there, was read out, parts from there, was signed not by downing signed off or not by downing street number 10, is adamant on the it was not signed off the record it was not signed off by them. however the home secretary's team are not are not saying either way on the record, but sources close to the team there have told us they thought it was signed off. so that's where the debate lies. but it sounds very i think the number 10 sound very, very clear on the ground there on and that can make might make very make it might make it very difficult braverman. difficult for suella braverman.

there's with the there's nothing to do with the ministerial here. it's ministerial code here. it's more about pm's authority. if you about the pm's authority. if you heard what starmer said heard what keir starmer said about he's too weak to about this, he's too weak to sack that kind of sack her. well, that kind of comment to rile number comment is going to rile number 10 because they clearly think comment is going to rile number 10 becibraverman.early think comment is going to rile number 10 becibraverman.earlcaused suella braverman has caused problems past week for problems over the past week for them going into very key time them going into a very key time in affairs. we've got next in home affairs. we've got next week rwanda week we've got the rwanda decision supreme court. decision by the supreme court. can government can the government process people here legally people who arrive here legally in rwanda the following week ? in rwanda the following week? net migration statistics, all sandwiched by the autumn statement. on that wednesday, the following week. so a lot happening. it's very important right home secretary right now. the home secretary and pm are walking in and the pm are walking in lockstep, in lockstep . instead, lockstep, in lockstep. instead, they are literally miles apart. >> but chris, a lot of people that i've been speaking to today are saying that she's one of the last true conservatives. she's saying what a lot of the voters want. she's talking tough on want. no, she's talking tough on clamping on these protests. clamping down on these protests. a the a poll out today shows the majority of 50% of the public versus 36% agree with her. they want these protests banned. they want these protests banned. they want to close our borders. they want to close our borders. they want to close our borders. they want to stop the boats. they do

think the police were biased dunng think the police were biased during the black lives matter protests. the metropolitan police to them , police took the knee to them, for heaven's sake. so a lot of people out there she's people out there saying she's actually sense. actually speaking common sense. and rid suella and if rishi gets rid of suella when they simply cease to have a conservative, a true conservative, a true conservative as their home secretary >> well, that's right , secretary >> well, that's right, martin, though, of course she's there, isn't she , because she isn't she, because she represents the right wing of the party. that's why she was given that role by rishi sunak last october when she came out and supported leadership supported him for leadership october should say. october last year. i should say. and those remarks you and that's why those remarks you made there, we've had lots of emails into gb news today or tweets to me making clear people think she's on the right side of this argument. of course, it's a very divisive argument. the centre ground think not. and the left of the party are also concerned about but the concerned about it. but the question is it next question is where it goes next and whether can and whether whether they can hang on to i mean, don't hang on to it. i mean, don't forget, she's not observer, forget, she's not an observer, not we are. not a commentator like we are. martin a home secretary. martin she's a home secretary. she's in charge of policing. she's in charge of policing. she's one of bosses the

she's one of two bosses of the met chief rowley, met police chief mark rowley, who's difficult job who's got a very difficult job on of policing these on saturday of policing these armistice day commemorations. how is very, very how that works is very, very important. have the important. and to have the person in charge you say person in charge of you to say these after rowley these points after mark rowley had boss, rishi sunak , had met her boss, rishi sunak, just yesterday, in which mr sunak expressed confidence mr sunak expressed confidence in mr rowley and thought he would do the , he would keep the the work, he would keep the palestinian march separate from the commemoration march, the remembrance service at 11 am. on saturday. so given all that, why is she restarting this fight now the next morning? that's what's so unclear. >> well , what's so unclear. >> well, isn't what's so unclear. >> well , isn't the what's so unclear. >> well, isn't the nub of this, chris, is that you're right, she's meant to be in charge of the police. >> but what she wants doing doesn't get done. they seem to dig in and do the opposite. the same applies about same argument applies about immigration rwanda immigration policy. rwanda went through, got rejected . through, then it got rejected. now supreme court. now it's in the supreme court. next out who is in next week we find out who is in control . is the home secretary control. is the home secretary in control our borders, or is in control of our borders, or is she being undermined by nefarious can nefarious forces? so you can understand her frustration. and in many senses, chris, she's echoing the frustrations of the

electorate , but she's also in government. >> isn't she? martin she runs the country. and yes , she has the country. and yes, she has these frustrations. we had battles, didn't we, with priti patel, her predecessor , of patel, her predecessor, of course, with officials in the home office. claims of bullying denied by priti patel at the time, etcetera. so, do time, etcetera. so, yes, we do have these issues , repeated have these issues, repeated issues about why can't the system more to support what system do more to support what their ministers want. their elected ministers want. but that's that's a battle that's being fought throughout in the home office. whether it is right to make these points publicly, some would say . and in publicly, some would say. and in fact, a tory mp, a former minister, minister, told minister, cabinet minister, told me the me today it undermines the police before they go police 48 hours before they go out there to try and police these very sensitive, demonstrate actions of palestinian demonstrations. and, of the commemorations of course, the commemorations on saturday, do. saturday, very difficult to do. and it being helped by what and is it being helped by what suella said? she and is it being helped by what sueimake said? she and is it being helped by what sueimake these said? she and is it being helped by what sueimake these remarks, d? she and is it being helped by what sueimake these remarks, but'>he can make these remarks, but should she make them as home secretary as the point? >> okay, chris, very quickly, in a survive yes a word, will suella survive yes or ? or no? >> i think it's 5050 right now, martin okay. >> sitting on the fence. get

into politics. thank you, chris. okay. moving swiftly onwards, london mayor sadiq khan says he was astonished by the home secretary's comments . secretary's comments. >> behaviour over the last few weeks has been behaviour that is irresponsible . her article in irresponsible. her article in the times was incorrect and inflammatory at a time when senior politicians should be bringing communities together and uniting people who have differences. instead, she is stoking divisions and i worry as a consequence of her words and her behaviour. you'll see this saturday an armistice day . the saturday an armistice day. the far right edl and other like people turning up on saturday causing problems . causing problems. >> okay. i'm joined now by somebody who knows suella braverman very well, the former conservative mp neil parish. good afternoon to you, neil. always pleasure . you'd expect good afternoon to you, neil. aleadiq3leasure . you'd expect good afternoon to you, neil. aleadiq khanrre . you'd expect good afternoon to you, neil. aleadiq khan and you'd expect good afternoon to you, neil. aleadiq khan and starmerpect good afternoon to you, neil. aleadiq khan and starmer and the sadiq khan and starmer and yvette cooper to have a pop. but my to is, do you my question to you is, do you think conservatives will think the conservatives will stand will the knives stand by her or will the knives be out from within the party? >> martin i think they will.

>> martin i think they will. >> stand by suella braverman and i think she'll find that she is echoing what a lot in the party think that what people think in this country , that having the this country, that having the march on on remembrance day are jewish community, are also very worried about these marches . and worried about these marches. and i think we just really wanted them stopped. now i think some of the language she may have used is typical of suella braverman. i think when she talks about a mob that's probably , you know, overdoing probably, you know, overdoing it. but i think in the end, these marches should not have taken place. i think there is likely to a ceasefire or likely to be a ceasefire or a cessation of hostilities in in gaza. cessation of hostilities in in gaza . so i think this march is gaza. so i think this march is unnecessary. and i think the point that , you know, that sadiq point that, you know, that sadiq khan makes is that all the right might come out onto the street. well, of course, you know, palestinians also coming out, you know, those supporting the palestinians are also coming out. and of course, that does

wind up the situation. so it would have really been best not to have this march . and i think to have this march. and i think that's where where the prime minister is now, how keen he is on of the language that on some of the language that suella i don't know. suella been made, i don't know. but think we'll find he will but i think we'll find he will support her and she will carry on. >> yeah. starmer has said that rishi is too weak to sack her, but surely sacking her is the weak thing to do. because that's what suella bravermans opponents want . if sadiq khan and starmer want. if sadiq khan and starmer and cooper want something, surely that means you should do the opposite ? the opposite? >> i would have thought so. and i quite like keir starmer i mean i quite like keir starmer , but he's got his own little local difficulty , does he not? local difficulty, does he not? over situation in gaza. and over the situation in gaza. and so therefore , i think what he's so therefore, i think what he's doing is sort of bringing out the pressure on the home secretary, trying to throw the pressure back on the tories to actually hide the divisions he's got in his own party. so, you know, i think it's for tat here and in the end, i think the british public allowed people to protest . but i think some of protest. but i think some of these marches that we've had,

you know, recently , some of the you know, recently, some of the language used and you must remember that hamas actually wants to wipe israel off the face of the earth. now you know, this is extreme language and extremely you can imagine why they take, you know , they take they take, you know, they take action also to the jewish community in this country has no control over the state of israel either . and so i think this is either. and so i think this is the problem that we've got. i mean, i want to see a ceasefire. i very much support israel, but i very much support israel, but i can see the situation in gaza is horrendous for the palestinians. so we do need to get humanitarian aid in there. so i think we all on the same page with this. but do we need these marches on the remembrance weekend when can we have, you know, the jewish community really fearful at the moment ? so really fearful at the moment? so i think she will be supported. and i think , you know, i think and i think, you know, i think it was wrong for the police commissioner to allow these to carry on. but that's his

decision and he will police it properly . and i just hope we properly. and i just hope we don't get a lot of problems. >> neil suella is being criticised a bit like lee anderson actually of having long garbage that's about as subtle as a house brick to the head. is that part of the issue, do you think, or actually that think, or actually is that deliberate? because look, here we are talking about it. she's dictating the agenda. and as i said poll out today said earlier, a poll out today shows that the public support her on this . her on this. >> yeah, i mean, i think , you >> yeah, i mean, i think, you know, when you're in politics, if you want to make a really point and you want to make a hard point, then you the hard point, then you use the language appropriate. language that's appropriate. now, only now, like i said, the only, only issue would have is she issue i would have is she probably shouldn't describe the marches a mob. but marches as a as a mob. but otherwise , i think questioning otherwise, i think questioning how the police deal with marches, i think there is a there is certainly those of us that are on the right is that we've always got the suspicion that the left is pandered to and the right is clamped down on. and i think all sides, when they step out of line, that should be clamped on by the police .

clamped down on by the police. so therefore, i think you'll find there's quite a lot of the population that have some sympathy with, you know, quite a lot of sympathy with suella braverman. i would question perhaps language. perhaps some of the language. but course, you quite but of course, as you quite rightly martin, could rightly say, martin, that could well been was well have been what she was doing . she she's an intelligent doing. she she's an intelligent woman . she knows exactly what woman. she knows exactly what she's doing. so i suspect she didn't use language by mistake. >> okay . neil parish, one very >> okay. neil parish, one very quick question. in a word, i'm asking everyone on the show today, will suella survive this, yes no? yes or no? >> i think she will, yes. >> i think she will, yes. >> good stuff. okay, neil parish, thanks for joining us today on the patrick christys show. superb well, we'll have lots throughout lots more on that throughout the show. there's huge, show. of course, there's a huge, huge there's plenty huge story, but there's plenty of things to talk to of other things to talk about to do as and there's lots of do as well. and there's lots of coverage on our website, gbnews.com. you've helped to gbnews.com. and you've helped to make fastest growing make it the fastest growing national website the national news website in the country. thank to all of you country. thank you to all of you out now, two teenagers out there. now, two teenagers have been arrested after the cenotaph rochdale was cenotaph in rochdale was vandalised. we're coming up with that soon. daubney that soon. i'm martin daubney standing for in patrick christys

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sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news. >> welcome back. it's 324. you're watching and listening to martin daubney on gb news standing in for patrick christys now in a few minutes, we'll cross live to rochdale after police investigating the vandalism of the town's cenotaph made to key arrests. but before that , sir made to key arrests. but before that, sir keir starmer is facing an increasingly difficult battle

to keep his party united after several of his own mps tried to force a commons vote on a ceasefire in gaza yesterday . ceasefire in gaza yesterday. this came just hours after bradford east mp imran hussain resigned from the shadow front bench so he could better advocate for that same ceasefire . and those rebellious mps may soon get their wish as the snp has tabled an amendment to the king's speech calling for an immediate truce in the israel gaza war. well let's speak again now with gb news political correspondent katherine forster catherine. another day, another nightmare for the labour party. they're probably quite glad about suella braverman column going out. this is momentarily taken the spotlight off of them, but the revelation overnight was that a guy called ben stopher keir starmer sophia beg your pardon? starmer's head of digital is actually the secretary of the palestinian solidarity campaign that's been organising all of these

controversial marches . controversial marches. >> yes, i think sir keir starmer was very glad indeed to talk about suella braverman and rishi sunak.the about suella braverman and rishi sunak. the prime minister looking weak, or at least so . looking weak, or at least so. that's what sir keir starmer said was, but all is not well within the labour party at all. is it not helped ? of course we is it not helped? of course we had that first shadow frontbench resignation yesterday in the form of imran hussain , but form of imran hussain, but revelations overnight , form of imran hussain, but revelations overnight, right, that somebody who was working for the labour party up until just a few days ago was in fact organising one of the organisers of these pro—palestine marches , of these pro—palestine marches, ben sophia, as you say , is ben sophia, as you say, is secretary of the palestine solidarity campaign and now sir keir starmer was asked about that by broadcast boosters. he batted it away. he said, i'm not going to go into details of people that work for the labour

party, so no answer. there but it's not a good look , is it? and it's not a good look, is it? and of course we know that there's been about a third of labour mps and about 17 shadow frontbenchers that have come out supporting a ceasefire, despite the fact that sir keir starmer has been very clear that that is not the position of the labour party . they like the british party. they like the british government, like the united states, are in favour of a humanitarian pause. only now sir keir starmer is very keen to play keir starmer is very keen to play down divisions this may well come to a head next week if there's a vote on this in parliament. and what will he do then? will he allow them a free vote? he might be accused of being weak or will he clamp down on people? then we could have a string of resignations. but what is clear is that although sir keir starmer appeared to have transformed the labour party, it's not very long since jeremy corbyn was in charge, calling hamas and hezbollah his friends. there was a huge problem with

anti—semitism . sir keir starmer anti—semitism. sir keir starmer appeared to have united the labour party, but as this conflict is going on, as the death toll is rising , the splits death toll is rising, the splits very deep divisions about labour and the middle east are becoming clearer and clearer. and of course that is potentially very damaging to labour with a general election in the next year or so. and catherine, clearly it would be damaging to keir starmer to table this emergency amendment, the king's speech which the snp driven vote that they'll have no chance of passing that vote. >> what's the point of it? is it performative? is it to pander to their own electorate ? why are their own electorate? why are they doing it ? well let's face they doing it? well let's face it, it's not going to have any effect on what actually happens in the middle east. >> is it because benjamin netanyahu is not going to care less what politicians in in england and the united kingdom think? but certainly the

scottish national party and many elements of the labour party would like a ceasefire of course, that's not an unusual position. the united nations calling for it. various other countries and aid agency parties. but keir starmer is saying everybody is coming from the same place in this. the deaths , the situation in gaza is deaths, the situation in gaza is horrific in a way. he he wants to make it seem like it's dancing on the head of a pin, whether it's a ceasefire, whether it's a ceasefire, whether it's a humanitarian pause. but he wants to get elected next year. he wants to be the next prime minister. and really he can ill afford a lot of labour mps being as publicly supported , supportive as a supported, supportive as a ceasefire, as they currently are being . being. >> okay. katherine forster live from wolverhampton , thank you from wolverhampton, thank you for that latest update on labour's palestine problem . labour's palestine problem. moving on now, two people have been arrested after a cenotaph was daubed with the words free palestine police said two teenage males had been detained

on suspicion of causing racially aggravated criminal damage to the war memorial in rochdale . the war memorial in rochdale. well, let's cross now to rochdale live and speak to our north—west of england. reporter sophie reaper. hello to you, sophie. so can you bring sophie. again so can you bring us up speed, please, with all us up to speed, please, with all of latest the case? of the latest in the case? that's divided the nation that's really divided the nation ? good afternoon to you. >> yeah, of course. i can. well, this isn't the first incident in rochdale . of course. it's become rochdale. of course. it's become a bit of a saga, so i'll just fill you in on each of the incidents. we know that on tuesday, the cenotaph here behind me was vandalised . on one behind me was vandalised. on one side, it was daubed with green paint. and on the back, the words free palestine were sprayed in large black letters . sprayed in large black letters. as you were saying there. we now know that two male teenagers have been arrested on suspicion of causing racially aggravated criminal damage. as far as we know , they remain in the custody know, they remain in the custody of greater manchester police for further questioning. in response to this, detective chief

inspector stuart round has said the cenotaph means a lot to the community in rochdale and the recent incidents have been deeply upsetting, particularly at a time when we should be honounng at a time when we should be honouring the memory of war veterans. now, as he said there, the recent incidents plural. that's because over the weekend there was a video circulating social media which showed palestinian flags laid on the cenotaph and the poppy wreaths discarded in front. we also know that there was a separate incident on monday where two other teenagers were arrested . other teenagers were arrested. they were charged with intentionally or recklessly causing public nuisance. so this isn't the first incident. there have been multiple incidents here in rochdale. now and it's really, as you say, it's been dividing people. we were here reporting yesterday day and people, local people of rochdale were telling me they'd been sickened and disgusted by the acts of vandalism. but there have also been people crossing our who have made cries of our path who have made cries of free palestine. so as we approach remembrance weekend,

this is a highly contentious issue. gmp remain on site here. several pcsos making sure that the site remains safe and that no more vandalism can take place before this weekend, which is such an important weekend in the british calendar. >> thanks for that update live from rochdale. and you know, the police get a lot of stick, but hats off to greater manchester police for making those arrests so swiftly. now, there's a lot more come in today's show more to come in today's show between now and 4:00, including after boris johnson that after boris johnson said that the were drifting to the tories were drifting to defeat the next election . defeat in the next election. i'll ask, there anything that i'll ask, is there anything that sunak can do to turn this ship around? but first, here's your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. it's 332. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. downing street says the prime minister did not clear suella braverman article accusing the police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian

protesters . in the piece, the protesters. in the piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestinian rallies to go ahead on armistice day. number 10, says rishi sunak still has full confidence in the home secretary . arrests have been secretary. arrests have been made after the cenotaph in rochdale was sprayed with free palestine graffiti across its base, greater manchester police said poppies were removed from the war memorial on tuesday afternoon . two male teenagers afternoon. two male teenagers are now being questioned by police . yosef puskar has been police. yosef puskar has been found guilty of murdering a school teacher in county offaly . school teacher in county offaly. 23 year old aisling murphy was killed while exercising on a canal path in tullamore in january last year. canal path in tullamore in january last year . judge mr january last year. judge mr justice tony hunt told the jury, we have evil in this room and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com . for stunning gold

gbnews.com. for stunning gold and silver coins. >> you'll always value. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report. >> and here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you $1.2288 and ,1.1468. the price of gold is £1,594.41 per ounce. and the ftse 100 is at 7454 points. ross and gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . news financial report. >> it . and thank you, sophia. >> it. and thank you, sophia. >> it. and thank you, sophia. >> now moving on, the energy secretary has claimed labour is against british oil and gas jobs and wants to increase our reliance on imports from foreign regimes . and real pay has not regimes. and real pay has not grown for 17 years and that's according to economists at pwc ,

according to economists at pwc, which predicts that living standards in britain will remain low for years to come. well, joining us now is the man who knows all about this. it's liam halligan, economics and business editor with on the money . liam, editor with on the money. liam, let's start with the energy policy that labour are touting about. i've been very critical. they claim there was nothing substantive in the king's speech, although i thought i thought rishi sunak said he was going to save british households up to grand a year. starmer up to 15 grand a year. starmer didn't they've an didn't agree. they've got an alternative know alternative plan. do we know anything it ? anything about it? >> see, martin. lots of >> good to see, martin. lots of economic news around today. not so economics in yesterday's so much economics in yesterday's in the speech earlier in the king's speech earlier this week, the king's speech, of course, which was the queen's speech until relatively recently , is when the government lays out its legislative the out its legislative agenda. the last king's speech, probably before the next general election, pretty thin gruel. i thought. but one aspect of it, which did really touch the economy, tories trying to put clear blue water between themselves and labour on the

nonh themselves and labour on the north sea, rishi sunak said just before his own party conference a while a few weeks back that he wants to increase the number of drilling licenses in the north sea. there's around 300 of them at the moment, though half expired by 2030. and now he's saying in the king's speech he's going pass legislation. so going to pass legislation. so there's round licence there's a new round of licence bidding every sort of bidding every year, sort of regular opportunity. labour don't like that. labour want to not award any more new drilling licenses . they're very much licenses. they're very much nodding to their green lobby, their voters in their university towns. just stop oil and so on. but the gmb union don't like that. but the gmb union don't like that . the labour party's funders that. the labour party's funders . a lot of people in scotland don't like that oil and gas is scotland's biggest industry centred on aberdeen and labour needs scotland if they're going to get the keys to downing street. so what's what starmer has done has allowed sunak to put a wedge between the various parts of labour's coalition, if you like, because you've got the

trade unionists who want these drilling licences and you've got the sort of johnson university town , well—heeled labour voters , town, well—heeled labour voters, the islington tendency, if you like, they don't want any of this , they're the eco zealots. this, they're the eco zealots. >> but is there any sort of meat on the bone of what they're actually offering as an alternative we've heard about alternative? we've heard about this, this green energy plan, about new energy about new labour's new energy plan. they keep promising loads more green jobs, but we don't seem detail about how seem to get any detail about how we're to money on our we're going to save money on our bills. what people really we're going to save money on our bills about. what people really care about. >> they and the tories are >> they do. and the tories are saying that drill more of saying that if we drill more of our own oil and gas, we'll save money on bills because prices will down. they're will come down. they're also saying and i think saying the tories and i think they're about this, that they're right about this, that if you use your own oil and gas, it's a lot more environmentally friendly in oil friendly than shipping in oil and other parts of the and gas from other parts of the world. we if we world. you know, if we if we import gas from america, that costs six times carbon costs six times more carbon emissions because you've got to liquefy it you've got to liquefy it and you've got to stick a diesel powered stick it in a diesel powered tanker crosses atlantic tanker that crosses the atlantic and on. but there's lot

and so on. but there's a lot more going in the economy at more going on in the economy at the moment. let's have the moment. let's just have a little at some of these little look at some of these numbers from the street and numbers from the high street and a of gb news viewers and a lot of gb news viewers and listeners will will have an affinity these numbers. affinity with these numbers. they'll know where these numbers are retail are coming from. so retail sales, according to the british retail consortium, martin, were up in october . retail consortium, martin, were up in october. that was up 2.5% in october. that was a slowdown from september. they were up 2.7% in september. that's compared to september in 2022. that sounds okay. but the 12 month average of monthly increases is 4.2. so you can see there's a slowdown happening . there's a slowdown happening. and then when you consider that inflation is 6.7% on the latest number, that's a september number, that's a september number, then these retail sales increases, they're less than the rate of inflation. so they're going down in what we call real terms. so there's been lots of headlines, martin, over the last day or two. m&s are doing really well. marks and sparks, their profits are up 56. h smith today said their profits are up 96.

but on the high street as a whole , a lot of businesses are whole, a lot of businesses are suffering, a lot of businesses are closing down. and even even w.h. smith, it's interesting, their headline profits are up, but those headline profits are dnven but those headline profits are driven by the shops at airports and train stations and people. they've got more money. people have often got more money or they've saved for a holiday and they've saved for a holiday and they want to get themselves a few treats before they get on the plane. but on the high street at w.h. isn't doing street at w.h. smith isn't doing nearly and the nearly as well. and across the high as whole, there is high street as a whole, there is now a slowdown. when you take inflation is there inflation into account, is there any coming up? any comfort coming up? >> talk about thin gruel. >> we talk about thin gruel. we're approaching christmas. they've all put their adverts out street. do you out on the high street. do you think ahead to think looking ahead to christmas, going be christmas, there's going to be any lining the high any silver lining for the high street is the rot now simply street or is the rot now simply too deep? and what can be done about we often, don't about this? we talk often, don't we, business rates, about we, about business rates, about corporation . there's corporation tax. there's no fiscal to help the high street. >> well, here's some good news. i've got another graphic here. there's very august. think there's a very august. think tank called the national

institute of economic social institute of economic and social research crossed research completely crossed party full of academics. they sit westminster and the sit in westminster and the national have just national institute have just said that in their view, and they consider this they don't they consider this very closely. they think interest have now peaked. interest rates have now peaked. they don't think the bank of england to raise england is going to raise interest any more. five interest rates any more. so five and we've come all the and a quarter we've come all the way from 0.1% in december way up from 0.1% in december 20th, 21, 14 interest rate rises. the most intense tightening of interest rates pretty much in british modern history. and the national institute very august body are now saying that interest rates have peaked and you've been saying that for some time. >> mr liam i may know a few people there, let's just put it that way. >> they're also saying the national institute, that national institute, martin, that wages by 7% on average wages will grow by 7% on average in 2023 and 2024. in each of those years. but when you consider actually how interest incomes have been squeezed since the pandemic, the national institute are also saying that half of uk households, their pay

, their incomes won't hit pre—pandemic levels. that's 2019 levels until 2026. wow. so lockdown has a seven year time , lockdown has a seven year time, while overall gdp is now up above where it was before lockdown. but we're talking about household incomes when you include benefits and all the rest of it in real terms after inflation, they won't recover until 2026, which is bad news. and then as you said in your introduction, price waterhouse coopers, pwc, one of the big four accounting firms, they're saying that real incomes after inflation won't fully recover. they won't get back to 2006 levels until pretty much now. so it's the long tail of the global financial crisis. in two thousand and seven, eight. so, look, there are some points of light on the horizon . if light on the horizon. if interest rates have peaked, mortgage holders, people with personal loans, they'll be happy about that. i do think some of the more up—market stores are doing quite well. i've mentioned m&s, i've mentioned w.h. smiths, but for a lot of people talk that this cost of living crisis

is over, will fall on deaf ears because for a lot of people and a lot of high streets, this income squeeze is still in place. and that's why, martin, this general election, when it finally comes, will be all about the economy. >> and you said that all along, echoing the words of bill clinton, liam halligan bang on the money, superb. the money, as ever. superb. thank very much . okay. could thank you very much. okay. could the be called to help the army be called in to help out wales largest out at wales as largest hospital? the university hospital? well the university hospital of wales has said it's suffering and suffering a significant and sustained adverse demand on services . as i martin daubney services. as i martin daubney standing in for patrick christie's on gb news. this is

britain's news channel . welcome back. >> it's 346. you're watching and listen to me martin daubney on gb news standing in for patrick christys now 4:00. i'll have the latest on suella braverman's controversial comments about the metropolitan police. some labour mps, of course, are calling for rishi sunak to sack the home secretary . well, i've got some secretary. well, i've got some big news for you . the tories are big news for you. the tories are drifting to defeat in the next general election . but don't take general election. but don't take my those are the my word for it. those are the thoughts of a certain mr boris johnson. yep the former prime minister has really took the boot into rishi sunak . minister has really took the boot into rishi sunak. he made the comments. the former cabinet minister nadine dorries, whose book entitled the plot the political assassination of boris johnson , is out today. now, johnson, is out today. now, bofis johnson, is out today. now, boris said, you've got to have

an agenda for change in the country . you know, people will country. you know, people will feel hacked off. they voted for change in 2019 and they are drifting back to labour in those brexit seats because they're not seeing a changed government. nothing to rally behind, nothing . we are just drifting to defeat. well doom laden words there. and i'm joined by charlie rowley, who's a former special adviser to michael gove, now to discuss that morose mood bid. but does he have a point ? but does he have a point? >> well, i think between now and whenever the general election is, you know, there is no time to lose and you want to have a message that you take to the country to galvanise people, to get people thinking and talking about the big issues of the day. >> i think the first >> i mean, i think the first thing to say is there are lots of things in nadine's book which aren't quite accurate. so how accurate this particular quote is will have to wait and see. >> she is famed for her fiction, of course. absolutely. >> quite right. yes.

>> quite right. yes. >> yes. if we can assume that they are based on truth or true, one you to about one thing you have to say about the election, the 2019 election election, i stood on 14. was it the positive message that boris sold? get brexit done? it was an aspiration , national positive aspiration, national positive message that does seem to be missing from all parties. i think at the moment. is that part of the conservatives problem ? problem? >> it could well be because i think obviously as boris is right, if those comments are true in 2016, people voted for change through brexit. >> they reinforced that change in 2019 because they could see a parliament that wasn't working, that wasn't delivering brexit, wasn't the interests of the wasn't in the interests of the people of this country. so they backed boris no because he backed boris no end because he wanted to unite and level up the country that was an country so that was an optimistic feel good campaign message as well as getting brexit was brexit done. so it was a brilliantly winning combination . brilliantly winning combination. i think since then obviously we've had covid, we've had war in ukraine, we've got a cost of living crisis now and it kind of reminds me more of 2015 where david cameron was very, very

straight with the public about how decisions are, how how difficult decisions are, how difficult a place the country is in the very the in until the very end of the campaign, where he then sort of unleashed of and unleashed this sort of hope and optimism look, we've optimism to say, look, we've gone a rough time as a gone through a rough time as a country, but stick with the program. us, because program. stick with us, because things better. things are are getting better. and just be that in the and it might just be that in the weeks ahead, we've weeks and months ahead, we've got statement where got an autumn statement where the economy can improve and grow. there will room for tax grow. there will be room for tax cuts. at some point, cuts. i'm sure at some point, and be a welcome view, and that will be a welcome view, i think, for tories many i think, for tories and many people the country. so people across the country. so there are a number of things i think to bring in that hope and optimism, just be optimism, but it'll just be we'll to see how get on. we'll have to see how we get on. >> talk about echoes of >> you talk about echoes of 2015, there also echoes 2015, but there are also echoes of 1997. of course , and that is of 1997. of course, and that is just this desire for change. can we talk a little bit about suella braverman comments today? because if you're looking for clear blue water between the two political parties, we've seen a bit of that on net zero on on not banning petrol cars on north sea , oil licences and on sea oil, oil licences and on crime. the tories have promised

to get tough and today suella is talking tough. but now she's in the firing line. what do you think about her words? certainly she's saying sentiments that a lot of conservative voters agree with. but did she say them in the right way? well i think that's only a question that suella can answer. >> i mean , what the problem will >> i mean, what the problem will be, i feel, is that even if you are articulating a particular problem or a cause that many people agree with, if you do it in a way in which isolates a floating voters , and we know floating voters, and we know that there are a number of people who still are not decided in all the polls that come forward. there's still a number of people that haven't decided whether vote whether they're going to vote for labour party tory for the labour party or tory in the next general and the next general election. and when are still up when those votes are still up for grabs, as excuse me, that's a gb news update live on my phone just there, i was like, no , “0, phone just there, i was like, no , no, no, no. »- , no, no, no. >> but that's breaking news. as i'm sitting here from a very program. >> so let's focus on on. so if they're drifting towards defeat and they've got nothing to rally

behind, what do you think the tory party should do? what do voters to rally behind? voters want to rally behind? >> think want >> well, i think they just want to know all the good things and the progress that the government are in the that it are making in the areas that it said to do. said it's going to do. >> halving inflation, you >> so halving inflation, you know, absolutely. helping with the pockets to the pound in people's pockets to tackle of living tackle that cost of living crisis is the number issue. crisis is the number one issue. they make sure that they want to make sure that actually they need doctor's actually if they need a doctor's appointment or if they're going to to use the you to have to use the nhs, you know, heaven that there's know, heaven forbid that there's that service level of that minimum service level of people there make that people there to make sure that you actually get into the you can actually get into the nhs. difficult nhs. so taking those difficult decisions, those long term decisions, those long term decisions that are actually going this country up and going to get this country up and running on the of what was running on the back of what was a, know, a terrible pandemic a, you know, a terrible pandemic on of a war in ukraine on the back of a war in ukraine and in terms of conflict that we're seeing in the middle we're now seeing in the middle east, uk east, you know, the uk government a real to east, you know, the uk goveinnent a real to east, you know, the uk govein allt a real to east, you know, the uk govein all of a real to east, you know, the uk gove in all of those aal to east, you know, the uk gove in all of those all to east, you know, the uk govein all of those all of to play in all of those all of those areas. >> what about more red meat things like leaving the echr? >> well, i think that would be something happens a a something that happens in a or a discussion could happen in discussion that could happen in a pragmatic way. >> know, if it is the

>> so, you know, if it is the case that the supreme court do not allow the rwanda policy to go ahead, which is something that the uk government and lawyers looked which lawyers have looked at, which are now, understand, are now, i understand, places like are to copy like germany are trying to copy and articulate. austria, and articulate. and austria, you know , then i think then there know, then i think then there has to be a question about whether or not in terms of leaving the hcr or whether it needs reform in a particular way. but i don't think that conversation could be off the table you're not being table if you're not being allowed a allowed to do what a democratically elected government democratically elected gov okay. ent democratically elected gov okay. now, democratically elected gokaay. now, very quickly, democratically elected gokaaji'm)w, very quickly, democratically elected gokaaji'm asking' quickly, democratically elected gokaaji'm asking everybody on charlie, i'm asking everybody on the show suella will survive. >> well, i think yes or no, we will have to wait and see. >> i mean, i think wednesday when actually we hear the outcome of the supreme court might be more significant than than than today. >> but i'm sure she'll she'll be the home secretary tomorrow thereafter, who knows . thereafter, who knows. >> okay. charlie rowley, always a pleasure and never a chore. great stuff. and let us know what think there. get in what you think out there. get in touch. do touch. vaiews@gbnews.com. do you will survive? you think suella will survive? it's to sack her or is she it's time to sack her or is she the now? moving

the tories saviour now? moving on. could the army be called in to wales's largest to help out at wales's largest hospital ? well, the university hospital? well, the university hospital of wales says it's suffering a significant and sustained adverse demand on services . yesterday the hospital services. yesterday the hospital in cardiff issued what's known as a black alert. right. well, let's speak now to our reporter jack and jack , i believe jack cos and jack, i believe there has been some good news today. >> yes, certainly some better news, particularly with the pressure that's been on the emergency department here at the university hospital of wales. it's now been decreased to a level four. now, that doesn't mean that that pressure has eased. it has eased off completely , but it is still the completely, but it is still the cardiff and vale university health board saying they are still experience extreme still experience seeing extreme pressures , but they say they pressures, but they say they have seen decrease in the have seen a decrease in the number patients their number of patients in their emergency units therefore emergency units and therefore that's pressure on that's eased pressure on colleagues and freed up capacity within that emergency department and wards across the and other wards across the hospital to treat the most unwell patients . the unwell of patients. the situation that started here on the 7th of november essentially

came from a combination of different factors. one of those was that the people that they were experiencing coming into the had had the emergency department had had had kind of complex issues had more kind of complex issues that needed, but also about discharge patients as well. they couldn't get enough patients discharged from the hospital quickly enough, meant quickly enough, which meant we got alert now in got this black alert now in serious circumstances, army serious circumstances, the army can now be brought to in help out those hospital. that wasn't the for case this time. and it's better news today. those extreme pressures seem to easing off. pressures seem to be easing off. >> jack , also, thank you >> okay, jack, also, thank you for you know, the for that update. you know, the army hospitals is that army saving hospitals is that future labour government now moving on suella braverman's future home secretary is in future as home secretary is in doubt after she criticised the police's approach to pro—palestine protests, downing street did not sign off the article before it was published in the times. i'm martin daubney on gb news and this is britain's news channel >> hello again, i'm alex burkill with your latest gb news weather forecast further sunny spells but also showers through the next day or so. however, it is

going to turn drier, albeit chilly, into the weekend. at the moment we have low pressure towards the north—west of the uk and that is bringing some strong winds, particularly in the south—west and also quite a showery theme, plenty showers showery theme, plenty of showers as we through this evening as we go through this evening and overnight, especially as we go through this evening and overnight , especially across and overnight, especially across western and further east. western parts and further east. we're going have some drier, we're going to have some drier, clearer weather for a time. the heaviest rain in the south—west, and where we're going to and that's where we're going to have winds, have the strongest winds, too, with even with gales, perhaps even a little than that, little bit stronger than that, where clear skies, is where we see clear skies, it is going turn quite chilly. some going to turn quite chilly. some frost quite likely, frost is quite likely, particularly parts particularly across parts of scotland. of a chilly scotland. so a bit of a chilly start for many of us on friday morning bit of a wet one, morning and a bit of a wet one, too, in the south. outbreaks of rain but they will clear rain here, but they will clear away as we go through the morning. elsewhere, quite a bit of dry and at times sunny weather, though, a scattering of showers still likely, particularly exposed showers still likely, pari northerly exposed showers still likely, pari northerly winds. exposed showers still likely, pari northerly winds. so )osed showers still likely, parinortherly winds. so northern the northerly winds. so northern coasts and some western and eastern fringes, too temperate are going to be a little bit on the low side highs around 8 or 9 in the north, getting to around

11 or 12. further south, a cold, frosty start for quite a few of us on saturday morning . but us on saturday morning. but there will be plenty of sunshine and quite a bit of sunshine as we through the as well. we go through the day as well. a few showers are possible mainly towards coastal but it towards coastal areas, but it should stay dry we should stay largely dry as we go into sunday. however, wet into sunday. however, some wet and is going to and windy weather is going to arrive . bye bye. see arrive later. bye bye. i'll see you

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>> good afternoon. it's 4 pm. welcome to the patrick christys show with me. martin daubney loads of red meat on today's menu this afternoon. firstly suella braverman is on the brink. the knives are out for the home secretary after she put the home secretary after she put the boot into the metropolitan police. starmer sadiq khan yvette cooper the queuing up to have a pop. the big question is this should we sack her or could she be the tory party's saviour in our next story, the labour party's woes over palestine continue to another day, another horror show. this time, it turns out one of starmer's former senior staff is head of digital operations. also headed up the palestinian solidarity campaign and they've been organising those marchers for the past few weeks. next story , dramatic news weeks. next story, dramatic news as two teenagers, two teenage men have been arrested on suspicion of vandalising the cenotaph in rochdale . the story cenotaph in rochdale. the story has divided. the nation will be live in rochdale with sophie

reapen live in rochdale with sophie reaper. and next, the european union are trying its most the most aggressive expansion in 20 years. they're trying to talk ukraine and moldova into the bloc. what are they playing at? the countries are corrupt and they're broke. i'll be joined by ben habib for all the brexit latest. and finally, the government wants to rewild britain. surely that's eco madness. surely a better idea is to plant more food , food, all of to plant more food, food, all of that on today's show . so please that on today's show. so please get in touch on all those topics, especially braverman. should she be fired or should be should she be fired or should be should she be fired or should be should she save the party from drifting towards electoral defeat as boris johnson claimed today? all of that and loads more in the next hour. but first, here's news updates with sophia . good afternoon .

sophia. good afternoon. >> it's 4:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom down downing street says the prime minister did not clear suella braverman article accusing the police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters . in pro—palestinian protesters. in the piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestine rallies to go ahead on armistice day. number 10, says rishi sunak still has full confidence in the home secretary. liberal democrats leader sir ed davey is calling for the prime minister to sack mrs. braverman over her claims. rishi sunak met the police commissioner yesterday , police commissioner yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable. the labour leaders called braverman out of control all across the country . control all across the country. >> i think we see people who are reasonable, who are moderate and who would always want to support the police in making difficult decisions in difficult circum stances. and that's what you get with an incoming labour government . if we're privileged government. if we're privileged to come in to serve with what

you've got at the moment is the complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive, who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police . undermining the police. >> meanwhile, london mayor sadiq khan says he's astonished by the home secretary's incorrect and inflammatory . a times article inflammatory. a times article i think her behaviour over the last few weeks has been behaviour that is irresponsible. >> her article in the times was incorrect and inflammatory at a time when senior politicians should be bringing communities together, uniting people who have differences instead , she is have differences instead, she is stoking divisions and i worry as a consequence of her words and her behaviour, you'll see this saturday an armistice day by the far right edl and other like people turning up on saturday causing problems . causing problems. >> arrests have been made after the cenotaph in rochdale was

sprayed with free palestine graffiti across its base, greater manchester police said poppies were removed from the war memorial on tuesday afternoon and it's currently a crime scene . two male teenagers crime scene. two male teenagers are being questioned by police . are being questioned by police. yosef puskar has been found guilty of murdering a school teacher in county offaly. 23 year old aisling murphy was killed while exercising on a canal path in tullamore in january last year. judge mr justice tony hunt told the jury, we have evil in this room . the we have evil in this room. the supreme court is set to give its decision on whether a government plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda is lawful. the court of appeal ruled in june the plan to deport those seeking asylum to the east african nation was unlawful. the home office challenge and that ruling last month, the decision on the challenge is expected to be made on wednesday . former home on wednesday. former home secretary dame priti patel says early in the pandemic there was no ability to prevent

coronavirus coronavirus. arriving in the uk borders. the former home secretary made the comments while being questioned at the covid inquiry where she faced questions about lockdown rules . dame pretty also made rules. dame pretty also made clear to the inquiry that the department for health and social care was responsible for covid laws. she'd lobbied for stricter border controls in the early stages of the pandemic in an attempt to prevent the virus reaching the uk but was overruled . the nhs waiting list overruled. the nhs waiting list in england has hit a record high with more people facing delays of more than a year and a half. nhs england found the wait list increased to just over 7.5 million at the end of september. officials say it's made up of 6.5 million patients, with some waiting for more than one treatment. the overall list is now nearly 3.5 million higher than it was before the covid pandemic . the queen has pandemic. the queen has commemorate did the nation's war dead at a ceremony at

westminster abbey's field of remembrance. camilla paid tribute and recognise the sacrifices of those who fought and died for their country in her first visit to the abbey since the coronation. after placing the cross down camilla and hundreds of veterans fell silent as the chimes of big ben ran out . this is gb news across ran out. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car , on the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news now it's back to . martin news now it's back to. martin >> thank you, sophia . now, in a >> thank you, sophia. now, in a moment, i'll have the latest on the future of suella braverman. but before that, we start with some breaking news because terror charged terror prosecutors have charged a demonstrator with supporting palestinian militant group hamas dunng palestinian militant group hamas during a downing street protest tests. arsalan khan, who's from east london, is accused of expressing an opinion supportive of the proscribed terrorist organisation close to number 10

downing street on the october the 17th. he has been bailed to appear at westminster magistrates court a week tomorrow . now, as magistrates court a week tomorrow. now, as promised to the huge row that's blown up following suella braverman's comments about the metropolitan police , the home secretary has police, the home secretary has been accused of making an incorrect and inflammatory comments about the metropolitan police by sadiq khan . braverman police by sadiq khan. braverman wrote an article in the times which was not signed off by downing street in advance . well, downing street in advance. well, let's take a look at the comments that have caused this latest controversy. braverman said. there is a perception that senior police officers play favourites when it comes to protesters as right wing and nationalist protesters who engagein nationalist protesters who engage in aggression are rightly met with a stern response. yet pro palestinian mobs displaying almost identical behaviour, odd , almost identical behaviour, odd, largely ignored, even when clearly breaking the law . i've clearly breaking the law. i've spoken to serving and former police officers who have noted this double standard . and while

this double standard. and while sir keir starmer says braverman is divisive and is undermining the police across the country, i think we see people who are reasonable, who are moderate and who would always want to support the police in making long, difficult decisions in difficult circumstances. >> what you've got at the moment is the complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive , who secretary who is divisive, who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police as they go into a very difficult set of operations . all decisions, then operations. all decisions, then that's compounded by the fact that's compounded by the fact that we've got a prime minister who is too weak to do anything about it. that's the worst of all circumstances. he must know , all circumstances. he must know, too, that this isn't the way in which a home secretary should behave. he which a home secretary should behave . he must know in himself behave. he must know in himself that the role of responsible government is to reduce tension

and to support the police in difficult decisions that they have to make . he's got a home have to make. he's got a home secretary who's out of control and he is too weak to do anything about it. that's the worst of all combination organs and in addition to that, london mayor sadiq khan says he was astonished by the home secretary's comments. >> behaviour over the last few weeks has been behaviour that is irresponsible . all her article irresponsible. all her article in the times was incorrect and inflame eatery at a time when senior politicians should be bringing communities together, uniting people who have differences . instead, she is differences. instead, she is stoking divisions and i worry as a consequence of her words and her behaviour. a consequence of her words and her behaviour . you'll see this her behaviour. you'll see this saturday an armistice day, the far right edl and other like people turning up on saturday causing problems . causing problems. >> okay, i'm joined the studio now by tom harwood. tom a dramatic day. it seems that the knives are out. you'd expect

starmer, you'd expect sadiq khan, you'd expect yvette cooper to be queuing up to have a go. but what's the mood within the conservative ranks? are the knives out for suella? do you think he should survive this? >> it's really hanging in the balance and i know that that might sound sensational list, but a really rather but there's a really rather important piece evidence that important piece of evidence that has popped up into the puzzle in the last hour when pat mcfadden, who of course, is the labour party national campaign co—ordinator, well, he has written a letter, sent it to the prime minister, setting out the ministerial code and what the ministerial code and what the ministerial code and what the ministerial code says about ministers freelancing , talking ministers freelancing, talking about policy making , major media about policy making, major media interventions without getting sign off from the number 10 press office and td. pat mcfadden points to article 8.2 of the ministerial code, which says that all such interventions signs have to be cleared by the number 10 press office. now if

we're going to take what number 10 said at their word this morning in the lobby briefing at 1130, when the prime minister's official spokesman said that there were parts of that article that the home secretary wrote for the times that number 10 said that she must take out and that she didn't take out, if we're to believe account we're to believe the account from number 10 and we haven't heard anyone say anything against that account, perhaps suella braverman in the fullness of will that 10 of time, will say that number 10 is and she's right, all is wrong and she's right, or all the of but if we're to the rest of it. but if we're to believe that account from number 10, then it would appear that suella breached 10, then it would appear that sue ministerial breached 10, then it would appear that sue ministerial code, breached 10, then it would appear that sue ministerial code, which :hed 10, then it would appear that sue ministerial code, which ined the ministerial code, which in all normal would be a all normal times would be a resigning offence. >> it that serious though? >> is it that serious though? this like a procedural this sounds like a procedural piece of minutiae . why is that piece of minutiae. why is that in itself a sacking offence ? in itself a sacking offence? starmer is saying it will be weak to not sack his home secretary but then why would you do what keir starmer says? surely should stand in, stand by your woman and dig in. and actually, tom, a lot of conservative voters out there are saying that suella braverman

is one of the very few conservative of the real conservatives left. and the deep irony here is that seven teen members shadow members of keir starmer's shadow ministerial team have directly defied ministerial team have directly defied him on the issue of a ceasefire in gaza. >> now , that would suggest that >> now, that would suggest that if the labour party were to hold themselves to the same standard as article eight of the ministerial code, keir starmer should be sacking 17 of his shadow ministers, but he's chosen so. so chosen to not do so. so sometimes there's greater politics comes into play politics that comes into play with regard to how the ministerial code is interpreted. ultimately, the ultimate arbiter of that code is the prime minister himself. so it could be the case that the prime minister says this is a sacking says this is not a sacking offence, but ultimately only this to the political core this gets to the political core of the issue . how much free rein of the issue. how much free rein can the home secretary have ? if can the home secretary have? if the prime minister is saying one thing and the home secretary is saying something else, does that undermine the authority of the prime that make prime minister? does that make him look weaker? that's the fear of the conservative of some on the conservative benches. are also benches. however there are also conservative who think that

conservative mps who think that suella is a standard suella braverman is a standard bearer for the right of the party to lose her from the government would be be government would be to be putting up two fingers to a huge chunk of the electorate who believe in what she says and believe in what she says and believe the forthright way believe in the forthright way in which is. which she says it is. >> it pertinent to this >> it also pertinent to this particular case with suella that it's not the first time she's put her foot in it and it's not the first time this week that she's used language that's raised a few eyebrows at the very least. much those very least. how much of those previous gaffes do you think add to a situation of this is an accumulative situation rather than an isolated incident? >> have seen some cabinet >> we have seen some cabinet ministers being uncomfortable when about the sort when questioned about the sort of language that suella braverman used. chalk, braverman has used. alex chalk, the justice the justice secretary, justice secretary earlier week was secretary earlier this week was squirming when he was asked to justify term hate marches, justify the term hate marches, which braverman which suella braverman has brought political lingo brought into our political lingo , i suppose. but again, that gets to that crucial point of how much leeway is the home secretary being given by the prime minister is she a special

case? does she have more freedom than other conservatives , than other conservatives, cabinet ministers, perhaps because she represents a significant constituent agency amongst conservative support ? amongst conservative support? she is the prime minister going to be more worried about votes slipping away to parties like reform uk if he sacks her? but also he needs to think about the other half of his coalition. a tightly balanced situation might rishi sunak be thinking about some of those seats in the south—east of england in the home counties, perhaps some of these seats that voted remain that might be leaning more liberal democrat. now, might he think braverman is think that suella braverman is putting voters off in the blue wall, even if she might be attracting voters in the red wall? you know, a lot of people in westminster, this is the talk of the town. >> do you think she'll survive this? >> i think it's really difficult to say. one of the interesting points that is sort of bubbling along the mill today is along the rumour mill today is that has been that rishi sunak has been thought thinking of doing thought to be thinking of doing a cabinet reshuffle a whole cabinet reshuffle for quite time now. we were quite some time now. we were

expecting one in september. it then got delayed. we were expecting october. it expecting one in october. it then got we're now into then got delayed. we're now into november. this could be one of the last proper chances for rishi sunak to set a new top team going into the election. that will happen probably within the next 12 months. and so this much rumoured reshuffle, could this be sort of the instigating point for a much wider reorganisation of the cabinet? that's an open question in westminster today. >> that's interesting because normally so they'd promote her sideways and get her out of the spotlight. that's what you're saying. normally that might be somewhere like northern ireland, but she's been talking about northern today and northern ireland today and annoying there. annoying people over there. compare palestinian compare saying the palestinian marches in ulster. so marches to marches in ulster. so where do you think they might shuffle off to? where do you think they might shuwell, off to? where do you think they might shuwell, i off to? where do you think they might shuwell, i think)? where do you think they might shuwell, i think it's a really >> well, i think it's a really interesting point because in previous governments we have seen offered seen people being offered a demotion and then instead of taking a lower ranking job, instead of facing that sort of humiliation of moving from a

great office of state to something to a more minor role in cabinet, we have seen in the past cabinet ministers walk away instead. and that might be a risk for rishi sunak if suella braverman returns to the backbenches , builds up a power backbenches, builds up a power base is more free wheeling base is even more free wheeling and shooting from hip with and shooting from the hip with what she's saying appearing on television writing in television or writing in newspapers . perhaps she then newspapers. perhaps she then represents a completely different power base for rishi sunak. is she more dangerous to him on the backbenches than she is in the government? that's a real consideration for him. >> and i tom, if that's >> and i wonder, tom, if that's part of the 3d chess, and that is if boris johnson says the tories drifting towards defeat, they anything they don't stand for anything anymore. suella certainly does stand for something you might not it, but she not agree with it, but she stands something. the stands for something. if the party out, if they have party is wiped out, if they have to regroup, if they decide we need be a conservative need to be a proper conservative movement , need to be a proper conservative movement, she would fancy her chances that chances as leading that movement, she? movement, wouldn't she? >> have to look at >> i think we have to look at all events in the last all of the events in the last couple of weeks and the machinations top of machinations within the top of the through that the tory party through that prism there are

prism of leadership. there are very few conservative mps who genuinely rishi genuinely believe that rishi sunak win next sunak will win the next election. everything is election. and so everything is being thought of in sort of two stages step what stages in one step ahead. what happens after the next election, after the likely defeat of the prime how do the prime minister? how do the conservatives regroup? really rise? and frankly, who is the next leader ? next leader? >> the suburbs of tom harwood . >> the suburbs of tom harwood. as ever, excellent analysis , as ever, excellent analysis, certainly one that's getting you going there. please send in going out there. please send in your thoughts. suella. should she stay should she go? it's she stay or should she go? it's the topic of the day. moving the big topic of the day. moving on topic on to an affiliate topic now, former metropolitan police detective bleksley joins detective peter bleksley joins me. we spoke just me. peter, we spoke just yesterday on this and suella has put the boot into the met today. dyrhaug directly accusing them of two tier policing. do you think she's got a point? >> oh, undoubtedly , lee. i think >> oh, undoubtedly, lee. i think what the public crave is consists nc from our police service is the length and breadth of the country and quite simply that is often lacking. i'll give you a little example.

not so many months ago i was kettled outside of millwall football club by the police because i'd gone there to watch my opposing team against my will. i couldn't move. i couldn't get away . i couldn't couldn't get away. i couldn't catch a train. >> i was kettled and held , as >> i was kettled and held, as were several hundred of us. >> now , now, when we see that >> now, now, when we see that kind of rogue bust policing, which was based on some kind of it had some merit as to why they did it. and then we see other people chanting , waving flags, people chanting, waving flags, marauding , roaming free through marauding, roaming free through the streets of our great caphal the streets of our great capital. people will see those inconsistencies and it frustrates them. and i think those kind of examples may be a part of what led the home secretary to talk about a two tier policing . tier policing. >> and peter, undeniably it's true, when suella talked about the police taking the side of black lives matter, or we saw scenes where they were literally taking the knee to blm and then

shortly afterwards the cenotaph was vandalised, the yobbo climbed on it and tried to set fire to the union flag. the winston churchill statue was sprayed with racist graffiti . sprayed with racist graffiti. she has a point about two tier policing. and as we look forward to saturday, peter , if it does to saturday, peter, if it does kick off on saturday, which nobody wants and rowley didn't step in and suella will be proven right, will her words have been vindicated? >> well, i severely hope there is not mass disorder on saturday. there will be some lawbreaking by by an element of the protesters . i'm not talking the protesters. i'm not talking about the majority of the naive, the gullible and the unworldly who will make up the large percentage of those protesters. but the ones who are hell bent on causing trouble, they will. thatis on causing trouble, they will. that is an absolute given. >> i do hope that there is no opposition for them to fight with because if nobody turns up for a scrap , the scrap won't for a scrap, the scrap won't happen. if they want to fight with anybody, they'll fight with

the police. >> but there are a couple of things that way in the favour of us who want to see peace on saturday, there is major disruption to the london underground , the circle line, underground, the circle line, the district line , the jubilee the district line, the jubilee line and others are simply not running until 3 pm. that day. >> that will probably help the police. they'll be grateful for that. >> but something that might fly in the face of that as well is that west ham united and chelsea football clubs do not have games on saturday. now i am not besmirch ing all their supporters. of course i'm not. but both those clubs have had an element of supporters proven to have links to the far right and neither of those teams will be playing saturday. i'm sure the police will be across these sort of things. i'm sure they'll be monitoring social media in touch with other sources of information in to try and see what's going on. but the clock is ticking. if rowley has a change of heart and does want to apply to have this march banned,

i suspect he'll have to do it by sort of friday afternoon. >> peter suella has obviously put the nose out of joint to people like mark rowley. but what in terms of the rank and file officers , others out there, file officers, others out there, would they like the ability to police equally or are they captured by this woke ideology now where they think they have to police with fear of certain communities and favour for certain communities? would they like to be able to police more robustly at marches like black lives matter , like the lives matter, like the palestinian marchers , they would palestinian marchers, they would like the ability to come onto the media and tell it how it is and express their feelings . and express their feelings. >> but of course, they can't do that without permission. >> permission that would never be granted. and so some anonymous accounts on social media do give you some kind of depth of the water and the feeling of the temperature amongst the frontline . amongst the frontline. >> and they fortunately do as they're told, the overwhelm majority of the time.

>> and they'll do that again on saturday. >> they there is frustrations not only with the public, with the inconsistencies of policing , the inconsistencies of policing, but there's frustrations within the front line. from what i hear , because they also see some kind of inconsistencies . kind of inconsistencies. >> and very often if they are robust, if they are firm, if they use force , they sometimes they use force, they sometimes find their leaders are only too happy to throw them under the bus. peter bleksley, thank you for joining us on the patrick christys show. >> as ever, the voice of common sense on policing. superb. thank you we'll have you very much. okay, we'll have lots on that story at 5:00. lots more on that story at 5:00. there's plenty more to talk about. and there's plenty of coverage on our website gbnews.com. because you've gb news.com. because you've helped gbnews.com. because you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so well done to all of you and thanks for your support . but now we've got some support. but now we've got some more breaking news now and it concerns the conflict in the middle israel will begin middle east. israel will begin four hour pauses in northern

gaza today to allow people to flee hostilities . white house flee hostilities. white house national security spokesperson john kirby said the pause pauses emerged out of discussions between us and israeli officials in recent days include holding talks with us president joe biden, with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu , who minister benjamin netanyahu, who now moving on, an activist spearheading saturday's pro—palestinian march on armistice day, worked for the labour party until this week. i'm martin daubney standing in for patrick christys on gb news, britain's news

monday to thursdays from six till 930 . till 930. >> welcome back. it's 427. you're watching analysts into martin daubney on gb news covering for patrick christys. who's got his feet up? having a well—earned break. now in a few minutes, are we talking about one of my favourite ever subjects, the european union ? subjects, the european union? and guess it could be about and guess what it could be about to get bigger. but and guess what it could be about to get bigger . but before that, to get bigger. but before that, sir keir starmer's battled to keep his party united, appeared to intensify last night after several of his own mps tried to force a commons vote on a ceasefire in gaza yesterday . and ceasefire in gaza yesterday. and this came just hours after bradford east mp imran hussain resigned from the shadow front bench so he could better advocate for a ceasefire and that rebellious mps may soon get their wish as the snp has tabled

an amendment to the king's speech calling for an immediate truce in that war. >> now look across the labour party . party. >> we are united in condemning the terrorist attack by hamas in being clear about israel's right to self—defence . there is to self—defence. there is a division in on whether we should call for a humanitarian pause, which is my position as i've set out very, very clearly . and some out very, very clearly. and some who think we should have a ceasefire, which again, i've rejected very clearly in my chatham house speech of last week, setting out the reasons for that . for that. >> okay. let's speak now to the former editor of labourlist, peter edwards, who joins me in the studio. peter, the palestinian problems rumble . on palestinian problems rumble. on 11 councillors have now resigned . a minister, frontbench minister peter hassan , imran minister peter hassan, imran hussain. apparently two more ministers on resignation watched. 350 councillors have written to starmer, demanding this ceasefire and then the latest revelation overnight. ben sophia his starmer's former head

of digital organising, is a head honcho at this organisation that's the palestinian solidarity campaign that's actually organising all of these controversial marches . the controversial marches. the pressure is piling on over palestine, isn't it? >> there's an intense debate in the labour party. of course we've got to recognise that there's nothing compared to the actual loss of life and suffering both in israel four weeks ago and then in gaza now. >> but of keir starmer is >> but of course keir starmer is a be prime minister a candidate to be prime minister so right that he's so it's right that he's challenged view. challenged on his view. >> you really there him >> and you saw really there him explaining why he wants humanitarian the aid humanitarian pauses in the aid to get in. >> but doesn't think it's right to have a ceasefire, which i agree with when there's still more than 200 israeli hostages being as being held and really used as bargaining chips, which is a disgusting thing to contemplate . disgusting thing to contemplate. >> is quite >> that position is quite a moderate position. in fact, that's a conservative position. it's sunak position, but it's rishi sunak position, but it's the position of it's not the position of a substantial number. it would appear of labour councillors and mps and ministers and voters .

mps and ministers and voters. but will this be an issue for them? there was some analysis at them? there was some analysis at the weekend. it may cost the labour party a few seats, but do you think it would be damaging in terms of their bid for power? >> well, in terms of the numbers, we've had one shadow minister resign. have been minister resign. there have been a stories about possibly a lot of stories about possibly more shadow cabinet ministers resigning, have resigned. >> but of course, there will be mindful of collective responsibility and there's a particularly inflamed issue of collective in the collective responsibility in the conservative party. my view is that all act according to our that we all act according to our conscience. this is pretty much the number crisis in the in the number one crisis in the in the number one crisis in the in the world the moment. so we the world at the moment. so we all feel it very deeply. but also a labour also i've been a labour campaigner for nearly 20 years and my general feeling is that people vote on people ordinarily vote on domestic policies rather than foreign policy and that takes nothing away from the tragedy we're seeing but they we're seeing unfold. but they vote on schools and hospitals and the economy. vote on schools and hospitals and the doesn't1y. vote on schools and hospitals and the doesn't this feel >> but doesn't this feel like the of corbynism rattling the ghosts of corbynism rattling its again ? of its chains once again? of course, he was booted out the for party of for party claims of anti—semitism. seen a huge anti—semitism. we've seen a huge rocket anti—semitic attacks .

rocket in anti—semitic attacks. in fact, there are 188 arrests just yesterday day around these marches and provoked since the invasion on october the 7th. and it just seems to have quite a few voters that the labour party seem to be choosing the wrong side in this battle. >> well, it's absolutely not about choosing side, about choosing a side, and i think that's what keir starmer and credit, rishi sunak and to his credit, rishi sunak have both been explicit about. >> as are >> you can be as you are outraged the terrorist attack outraged at the terrorist attack on israel month ago, but as on israel a month ago, but as equally distressed by loss equally distressed by the loss of civilian life in gaza that we're pretty much every we're seeing pretty much every day. not day. so it's definitely not about sides . the other about picking sides. the other point make is that the point i'd make is that the british public respects strong leaders and they don't always have to agree with them. but they do respect consistency . and they do respect consistency. and someone like in the chatham house speech , keir starmer did house speech, keir starmer did setting out their position, even though everyone can though they know everyone can agree it because it is agree with it because it is obviously dangerous to change tack on something like international affairs. >> on the one hand >> i suppose on the one hand you're right, at least lesoma hasn't done a u—turn on this . hasn't done a u—turn on this. you stood by his you know, he's stood by his guns, some would say is

guns, which some would say is a rare pity. do you think, though, this this, this this tabled amendment , this vote will have amendment, this vote will have any impact? and what's the point of it? i mean, it will obviously damage party. will damage damage the party. it will damage starmer. he would like to whip them not do this. but what them to not do this. but what are trying to do? well, are they trying to do? well, just voters just appease the voters of a certain demographic, say the muslim their seats. so muslim voters in their seats. so obviously we've had king's obviously we've had the king's speech week. speech within the last week. >> i understand it, >> and as i understand it, having looked into some the having looked into some of the process ology, there was a motion by the snp, motion tabled by the snp, who are a smaller opposition party. the speaker up to four the speaker can pick up to four amendments. no guarantee amendments. there's no guarantee this will be picked, but clearly it's of intense debate it's a topic of intense debate in parliament and across the world. if it does go to a vote, then clearly labour mps will. they'll either set out their view and vote for or against the starmer strategy or they abstain. >> okay, peter evans, thank you. as ever. superb analysis. okay, there's loads more to come still between now and 5:00, including the european union to get the european union wants to get even bigger . the european union wants to get even bigger. ukraine the european union wants to get even bigger . ukraine moldova even bigger. ukraine and moldova could eu members and ask could become eu members and ask

why that could be news for why that could be bad news for the uk . but why that could be bad news for the uk. but first, why that could be bad news for the uk . but first, here's your the uk. but first, here's your all your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> it's 432. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. breaking news in the last hour. israel has agreed to a series of pauses in fighting in northern gaza. the white house says there will be daily four hour pauses starting from today . it comes starting from today. it comes after discussions between us and israeli officials in recent days, including talks us president joe biden had with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, the us says it will allow people to get out of harm's way and for deliveries of humanitarian aid . downing street humanitarian aid. downing street says the prime minister did not clear suella braverman article, accusing the police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters. in the piece , the protesters. in the piece, the home secretary says the metropolitan police is guilty of double standards for allowing pro—palestinian rallies to go

ahead on armistice day . number ahead on armistice day. number 10, says rishi sunak still has full confidence in the home secretary . arrests have been secretary. arrests have been made after the cenotaph in rochdale was sprayed with free palestine graffiti across its base, greater manchester police said poppies were removed from the war memorial on tuesday afternoon . two male teenagers afternoon. two male teenagers are being questioned by the police . and you can get more on police. and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com . now our website, gbnews.com. now thank you, sophia. >> well, guess what? the eu wants to get even bigger. that's right. the 27 countries in the european union could soon be increased to 29. the european commission has said that the ukraine and moldova should start the process of becoming eu members . so the process of becoming eu members. so here the process of becoming eu members . so here with me now the process of becoming eu members. so here with me now in the studio to discuss this is the studio to discuss this is the deputy leader of reform uk, mr brexit, ben habib. ben, it's always a pleasure to see you. so

you what's bringing this on? it would be the biggest expansion of the eu in 20 years, or obviously missing britain perhaps? >> well . >> well. >> well. >> well, we had deep pockets. >> well, we had deep pockets. >> these two countries hardly have any pockets between them. >> one of them is a war torn country. obviously and the other one is, as you know, the only way to describe it is poor . and way to describe it is poor. and i think what you're seeing here, martin, is what you and i have known about the eu for a long time. and i think the vast majority of viewers will know is that really an economic that it isn't really an economic trading bloc. it's a that it isn't really an economic trading bloc . it's a political trading bloc. it's a political movement . it's trading bloc. it's a political movement. it's a trading bloc. it's a political movement . it's a political aim movement. it's a political aim that it's got to encompasses much of europe. is it possibly can bring it closer into union. and for brussels effectively to spread its hegemony on a broader and broader basis. there can't be any economic case to bring ukraine or moldova into the eu. they don't meet the economic criteria required to join the euro , which would be euro, which would be a prerequisite of joining . they prerequisite of joining. they don't meet the law and order

requirements in ukraine without wishing to offend all those that wrap themselves in the virtuous cloak of the promotion of ukraine. ukraine has a law and order rating that is below uganda and you wouldn't have uganda and you wouldn't have ugandain uganda and you wouldn't have uganda in the eu or perhaps we will have uganda in the eu one day. but what we're seeing is the eu increasingly spreading its wings geopolitically, taking in more and more countries and we're also seeing this, as you know, in the creation establishment of its own alternative to nato , which is alternative to nato, which is permanent structured cooperation . an it's got its own now by eu badged militia, if you like, called frontex available to be deployed in any member state at their invitation. >> its interesting that because, you know, when we were in the european parliament, we heard ursula von der leyen, you know, make a pitch for the european army. nick clegg told us that that dangerous fantasy. is that was a dangerous fantasy. is that was a dangerous fantasy. is that part of the point here, do you think that that frontier

with russia, which ukraine certainly takes in and moldova, is this a move towards them becoming something of a kind of bargain basement, nato? >> yeah, well, i mean , they they >> yeah, well, i mean, they they have they absolutely want to have they absolutely want to have foreign policy. and if you're going to have foreign policy as an institution, you've got to have an armed force effectively. are effectively. and they are heading absolutely in that direction. there is no mistake about it at all. they don't hide it. they have something called the european defence fund, which is for the development of military research, military research within eu political aim , underpinned by the interoperability across member states. so, so, so member state armies and air forces and so on can cooperate and move seamlessly together . now what seamlessly together. now what you don't know, i'm slightly digressing, but people should know is that the united kingdom has joined the european defence fund and they will want to soak our military in with theirs as well . and the other thing that

well. and the other thing that they're doing, which is remarkable is they're having negotiations with georgia to bnng negotiations with georgia to bring georgia into the into the eu. another kind of red flag to russia. but quite entirely consistent with their geopolitical aims and the desire to have a foreign policy and to spread their wings. the eu is a political project. it is not an economic one. and we're seeing that more and more clearly every day that passes . day that passes. >> and so, ben, as well as the military pull in, as well as the cost of that, why else might this expansionism of the eu be bad news for britain? well i mean, what i really hope is that by some miracle , we don't get by some miracle, we don't get sucked into these in into their expansion and into the broader institutions of the eu. >> sadly, again , as you know as >> sadly, again, as you know as well as i do , when we left the well as i do, when we left the eu, we left the institutions, but we remain hitched at the hip. and my biggest fear

actually is pesco , the permanent actually is pesco, the permanent structured cooperation . you structured cooperation. you know, last thing we want in this country is for our military to be under the under the diktat of brussels, as that would be a disaster . by the way, they have disaster. by the way, they have very bad form for foreign policy to this is an institution that was trying to step round sanctions imposed by the us on iran back in 2019. it was trying to set up its own clearing system to avoid the dollar clearing system , which is the clearing system, which is the mechanism by which the us enforces its sanctions and it was trying to step round those sanctions. iran, iran, the regime that is now funding hamas or has been funding hamas for many years and we've seen the damage that's done and the eu have repeatedly made similar mistakes . they weren't with us mistakes. they weren't with us over iraq . you know, they stood over iraq. you know, they stood out against the united kingdom and the us. perhaps they do it just to inflame us. perhaps they do it to emphasise their independence , but they're not independence, but they're not

helpful as allies . helpful as allies. >> and in terms of corruption, ukraine is 116th out of 180in the world. >> as i say, 90, 180 in the world, these are not functioning healthy democracies . healthy democracies. >> they're not. what about the concept of freedom of movement? because, of course, suddenly the moldovans, you presume as soon as they get they get the eu bloc, they'll be they'll be clearing off into europe. and they could definitely wash towards shores. could towards our shores. they could wash the operative word wash being the operative word for the way people get to the united kingdom. >> absolutely. and you know, it's not just bad for europe, that it's bad for moldova. and ukraine, too. i've worked in romania and to a lesser extent in bulgaria , and they've had an in bulgaria, and they've had an exodus of people as a result of freedom of movement. and that damages fundamentally their economy as well . you know, we economy as well. you know, we get the burden of immigration in in western europe and all that goes with it. the kind of ponzi scheme. and they have an absence of a workforce. >> i want to very quickly ask you, as i've got you here, about

suella bravermans comments today, think should today, do you think she should go she be a saviour for go or could she be a saviour for the conservatives? >> calls spade spade. >> suella calls a spade a spade. she's straight talking, clear she's a straight talking, clear thinking politician. those marches to which she was referring in her article in the times that caused so much consternation were infected with hate and with belligerence. we all saw the images. people hiding behind scarves on their face, carrying the isis black flag, demanding an intifada, an uprising between london and gaza, demanding jihad , and even gaza, demanding jihad, and even demanding we, the british people, declare which side we're on. well, i'm on the side of the united kingdom and the side of the united kingdom doesn't tolerate that kind of speech. and if they have any decency, these people, if they recognise that they're part of country that they're part of a country that they're part of a country that champions freedom , that that champions freedom, that where people have died in order to afford them that freedom, they won't march on saturday and sunday and they will respect that those who have died for that those who have died for that freedom.

>> ben habib , excellent analysis >> ben habib, excellent analysis as ever. supersub thank you very much. okay. moving on. labour says it's got a plan to bring down energy bills. well, that sounds great, doesn't it? but the big question is, will it work and what is it? what's the detail? i'm martin daubney detail? well, i'm martin daubney standing in for patrick christys on this is britain's on gb news. this is britain's news channel .

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news. welcome back. >> it's 4:45. you're watching and listening to martin daubney on gb news covering for patrick christys. well, at 5:00 and have the latest on suella braverman controversial comments about the metropolitan police. and i'll ask, is the home secretary of the future of conservatives the future of the conservatives or rashid damaging to the party brand? now a stark warning from farmers who say that the drive to net zero could lead to food shortages because the fears have been created by the government's plans of rewilding vast swathes of the countryside. our south—west of england. reporter jeff moody went to meet a farmer who says the risks of very real rewilding the land from gardening program to agriculture. >> the drive to end cultivation is more powerful than ever before . anjana devoy owns before. anjana devoy owns a glamping site. she's rewilding her land and has welcomed in a myriad different species a little bit. >> when you think, oh god, this is just marketing. these are the

same plants. they're just marketed as wildlife friendly. but then why not? you know, i mean, if people growers say, mean, if people the growers say, by way, if you six of by the way, if you put six of these plants together, you're going get butterflies and going to get butterflies and bees then fair bees and they come, then fair play. the governments play. why not the governments £2.4 billion a year plan for rewilding called the sustainable farming incentive has been rolled out across the country . rolled out across the country. >> landowners are paid to plant trees and restore wetlands and peat bogs on 741,000 acres of land. peat bogs on 741,000 acres of land . under the largest farming land. under the largest farming reforms in 50 years. farm manager nick padwick thinks the reforms will have a huge benefit for rewilding is, as we see it, a low cost tool for biodiversity increase . increase. >> so we all know we're on that massive tipping point at the moment in terms of biodiversity loss and this is a different type of land changing our land use order to increase use in order to increase biodiversity doing biodiversity and it's doing exactly already . exactly that already. >> farmers are concerned , >> but farmers are concerned, they say swapping fields of crops or cows for trees and bogs

will make british food production a dirty word and force smaller growers off the land and out of business. bill geenis land and out of business. bill geen is a sheep farmer in north devon. where's the food going to come from? >> you know who's going to produce the food? what are these? what are the 60, 70 million people that live in this country are going to going be country are going to going to be eating? you we have to country are going to going to be eatingon you we have to country are going to going to be eatingon producing we have to country are going to going to be eatingon producing food ave to country are going to going to be eatingon producing food before carry on producing food before brexit. >> wm brexit. >> paid british farmers >> the eu paid british farmers £2.4 billion in subsidies to farm the land. the government has vowed to keep up these payments until next year, but nearly £1 billion of that money will now be spent on landscape recovery. digging ditches, maintaining hedgerows , allowing maintaining hedgerows, allowing nature to take its course . some nature to take its course. some farmers say we're walking into a dangerous future of food security, where it's just not profitable to produce british food . and bill geen believes it food. and bill geen believes it is possible to produce food and look after nature without rewild ing. but we can do that and we can look after the environment.

you know, we're working on it. how how could you do both ? how how could you do both? >> by changing the way we farm in some ways, going back to the way for not hundred years, but going back to maybe you know, 50 or 60 years ago, maybe a bit more mixed farming on mixed species , on the grassland . and species, on the grassland. and less use of fertilisers , you less use of fertilisers, you know, letting the earth produce the crop rather than forcing it using artificial fertilisers . using artificial fertilisers. >> the choices are stark. if we don't rewild say environmentalists , yes, we won't environmentalists, yes, we won't reach net zero. but if we do , reach net zero. but if we do, say, farmers, then the days of locally sourced produce could be over for good. jeff moody . gb news. >> now the labour party says the conservatives energy policy does little for britain's energy independence and won't bring down bills. but energy secretary claire coutinho thinks labour is against british oil and gas jobs and wants to increase our

reliance on imports from foreign regimes. so is the government doing enough to get households out of the cost of living crisis by? joining me now in the studio is greg marsh, who's a household finance expert of and the ceo of nous, which is the cost of living support platform. good afternoon to you. thanks for joining me on the show. they always argue about which party can save the most money. little detail coming out in the king's speech. the conservatives claimed to be able to save up to 15 grand a year for households, but no detail . the labour party but no detail. the labour party say they can go a bit further, but no detail. but really what do people really care about dunng do people really care about during the cost of living crisis and how can save money? and how can they save money? what they want? what do they want? >> funny because this time >> it's funny because this time last having this last year we were having this conversation, the government conversation, but the government wasand i don't just mean making >> and i don't just mean making vague policy announcements this time government time last year, the government announced that every single household the was to household in the uk was going to get £400 help cover get an extra £400 to help cover the of their energy bills. the cost of their energy bills. the government had capped energy costs at

costs for all households at enormous cost to public. enormous cost to the public. >> course, in the future, but >> of course, in the future, but nevertheless short term there was help at hand this year, and particularly few weeks, particularly the last few weeks, we've what's happened as we've seen what's happened as the dealing the news agenda is dealing perhaps quite rightly, but deaung perhaps quite rightly, but dealing with all the international news the and international news and the and the the middle east. >> well, as a result, british households have almost no households have had almost no support announced over support at all announced over the few weeks. support at all announced over the and few weeks. support at all announced over the and uki weeks. support at all announced over the and uk household eyes are >> and uk household eyes are looking into a very tough winter period. >> energy bills, while they are lower than they were last year. part of that's because we're consuming you take out consuming less when you take out that £400 help that households aren't going to get this christmas. actually, households aren't really going to be spending any less on their fuel than they were this time last yeah >> so it's not actually going to be any better for most households this christmas. food has continued to go up in price. >> going up less >> yes, it's going up less quickly it was. mortgage quickly than it was. mortgage rates, have rocketed rates, of course, have rocketed for most households. >> a household refinancing today, who's been on a two year fixed price deal likely to see their prices increase for a

typical uk mortgage by about £500 month. typical uk mortgage by about £5cso month. typical uk mortgage by about £5cso youinth. typical uk mortgage by about £5cso you put all those bits >> so you put all those bits together, uk households are still really suffering and if you ask them what are they concerned about? and pollsters do this, they'll tell you the number one for uk number one issue for uk households remains cost of households remains the cost of living moment living crisis. and at the moment i think heard very i don't think we've heard very much from either political party really about how to tackle this problem. >> and i understand why it's because think their hands because they think their hands are borrowing from tomorrow's tax >> borrowing from tomorrow's tax bill provide additional bill to provide additional support today, but nevertheless , support today, but nevertheless, the number of households in fuel poverty has rocketed, the number of households in debt with their current suppliers has rocketed. households are anxious about this and many are going to struggle pay for christmas. struggle to pay for christmas. so think the government so i think the government does need more. so i think the government does neewhat more. so i think the government does neewhat caniore. so i think the government does neewhat can people do? because >> what can people do? because in good old days we could in the good old days we could shop around for a cheaper energy provider. those seem provider. but those days seem to have gone. basically have gone. it's basically british british gas . have gone. it's basically british british gas. is british gas or british gas. is there way that people can there any way that people can shop around across the shop around for deals across the board, all of their board, across all of their household living costs just to try and ease the pinch as we

head into winter ? head into winter? >> are places you >> look, there are places you can save here and there. >> it is possible to save money on your energy bills for most households. i would be remiss if i didn't mention now as one place you could look. we can save households about 100, save most households about 100, £130 energy without £130 on their energy without taking any risk. but across the board, let's take broadband mobile phone chargers. one of the things we see again and again and again is that households have bought people have in have bought a mobile phone in contract, maybe or 3 years contract, maybe 2 or 3 years ago. they haven't checked what that contract has done. in the meantime, this is just such a classic trick that mobile phone companies like to play . they'll companies like to play. they'll get you buying a new handset. they'll you that 30 or they'll get you on that 30 or £40 a month deal, which is a good deal if you get a handset with it. but when you've paid off handset 18 months off your handset 18 months later, remind you later, they don't remind you that go back onto that you could now go back onto a cheap monthly rate and just pay a cheap monthly rate and just pay for data. deal pay for data. same deal with broadband. households very broadband. most households very significantly overpaying for their broadband. and what we've seen years is a seen in the last few years is a number new broadband

number of new broadband providers into the market providers come into the market offering fibre connections to the often very, very well the home, often very, very well pnced the home, often very, very well priced deals if you're willing to change supplier. so the punch line you've got to check line is you've got to check whether you're on the right deal whether you're on the right deal, use a service like ours or someone else's, but don't let it slip. >> greg marsh, ceo of nous, thank you very much. i did exactly when my phone exactly that when my phone was paid for. i didn't take it out on another contract. i just went to a only sim went down to a data only sim went down from month to £21 a month. from £60 a month to £21 a month. there we go. now moving on. suella bravermans future as home secretary after she secretary is in doubt after she criticised the police's approach to pro—palestine protests. downing sign downing street did not sign off the before it was the article before it was published times. i'm published in the times. i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's channel . hello britain's news channel. hello again , i'm alex burkill with again, i'm alex burkill with your latest . your latest. >> news weather forecast further sunny spells but also showers through the next day or so. however, it is going to turn dneh however, it is going to turn drier, albeit chilly into the weekend. at the moment we have low pressure towards the north—west of the uk and that is bringing some strong winds,

particularly south—west particularly in the south—west and also quite a showery theme , and also quite a showery theme, plenty of showers as we go through evening and through this evening and overnight, especially across western further east, western parts. further east, we're going to have some drier , we're going to have some drier, clearer a time. the clearer weather for a time. the heaviest rain in the south—west and that's where we're going to have the strongest winds, too, with gales, perhaps even a little stronger than little bit stronger than that, where we clear skies, it is where we see clear skies, it is going turn quite chilly. some going to turn quite chilly. some frost likely , frost is quite likely, particularly across of particularly across parts of scotland. of a chilly scotland. so a bit of a chilly start for many of us on friday morning and a bit a wet one, morning and a bit of a wet one, too. in the south. outbreaks of rain they will clear rain here, but they will clear away we go the away as we go through the morning. elsewhere quite a bit of and at times sunny of dry and at times sunny weather, though, scattering of weather, though, a scattering of showers still likely, particularly to particularly in areas exposed to the northerly winds. so northern coasts and some western and eastern fringes, too. temperatures are going to be a little bit on the low side highs of around 8 or 9 in the north, getting to around 11 or 12 further south with a cold frosty start for quite a few of us on saturday morning. but there will be plenty of sunshine and quite

a bit sunshine as go a bit of sunshine as we go through day well. a few through the day as well. a few showers possible mainly showers are possible mainly towards coastal areas, but it should largely as we go should stay largely dry as we go into sunday. however, wet should stay largely dry as we go into windy y. however, wet should stay largely dry as we go into windy weather'er, wet should stay largely dry as we go into windy weather'er, to at and windy weather is going to arrive later. bye bye. i'll see

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fights back. the bargain supermarket has had to spend £2 million on body cams for staff to combat violence against them and also a soaring shoplifting epidemic. that's all coming up in the next hour on the patrick christys show . so get in touch christys show. so get in touch the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com, especially on that suella braverman topic. it's really divided the nation. should they sack her or if they do that, are they just throwing in the town and listening to the likes of keir starmer and sadiq khan? all of that. but first, here's your news headlines with sophia . sophia. >> good afternoon. it's 5:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. israel has agreed to a series of pauses in fighting in northern gaza . the white house northern gaza. the white house says there'll be daily four hour

pauses starting from today. it comes after discussions between us and israeli officials in recent days, including talks us president joe biden had with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu . the us says it will netanyahu. the us says it will allow people to get out of harm's way and for deliveries of humanitarian aid . labour has humanitarian aid. labour has accused suella braverman of breaking the ministerial code with her controversial times article . in the piece, the home article. in the piece, the home secretary accuses the metropolitan police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters . downing street says protesters. downing street says the prime minister did not clear suella braverman article . so in suella braverman article. so in a letter to mr sunak this afternoon, labour's national campaign coordinator , pat campaign coordinator, pat mcfadden, accused the home secretary of being in breach of the ministerial code under section 8.2. number 10 says rishi sunak still has full confidence in the home secretary. liberal democrats leader sir ed davey is calling for the prime minister to sack mrs. braverman over the claims. rishi sunak met the police commissioner yesterday , saying

commissioner yesterday, saying he would hold sir mark rowley accountable. the labour leaders called braverman out of control across the country. >> i think we see people who are reasonable, who are moderate and who would always want to support the police in making difficult decisions in difficult circumstances . and that's what circumstances. and that's what you get with an incoming labour government. if we're privileged to come in to serve . what you've to come in to serve. what you've got at the moment is the complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive , who secretary who is divisive, who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police force. >> meanwhile, london mayor sadiq khan says he's astonished by the home secretary's incorrect and inflammata three times article. >> i think her behaviour over the last few weeks has been behaviour that is irresponsible . behaviour that is irresponsible. while her article in the times was incorrect and inflam jatri at a time when senior

politicians should be bringing communities together, uniting people who have differences , people who have differences, instead she is stoking divisions and i worry as a consequence of her words and her behaviour. you'll see this saturday an armistice day. the far right edl and other like people turning up on saturday causing problems . on saturday causing problems. >> arrests have been made after the cenotaph in rochdale was sprayed with free palestine graffiti across its base. greater manchester police said poppies were removed from the war memorial on tuesday afternoon and it's currently a crime scene to male teenagers are being questioned by police . are being questioned by police. yosef puskar has been found guilty of murdering a school teacher in county offaly. 23 year old aisling murphy was killed while exercising on a canal path in tullamore in january last year. judge mr justice tony hunt told the jury, we have evil in this room . the we have evil in this room. the supreme court is set to give its

decision on whether a government plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda is lawful. the court of appeal ruled in june the plan to deport those seeking asylum to the east african nation was unlawful . the home office unlawful. the home office challenged that ruling last month. the decision on the challenge is expected to be made on wednesday . the nhs waiting on wednesday. the nhs waiting list in england has hit a record high, with more people facing delays of more than a year and a half. nhs england found the wait list increased to just over 7.5 million at the end of september for. officials say it's made up of 6.5 million patients, with some waiting for more than one treatment. the overall list is now nearly 3.5 million higher than it was before the covid pandemic . and the queen has pandemic. and the queen has commemorated the nation's war dead at a ceremony at westminster abbey field of remembrance. camilla paid tribute and recognised the sacrifices of those who have fought and died for their country. in her first visit to the abbey since the coronation

after placing the cross down, camilla and hundreds of veterans fell silent as the chimes of big bang ran out . this is gb news bang ran out. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to martin . on martin. on >> thank you, sophie. okay, let's get tucked into this next houh let's get tucked into this next hour. there's only one place to start, and that's the huge row that's blown up following suella braverman's comments about the metropolitan police. home metropolitan police. the home secretary been accused of secretary has been accused of making incorrect and inflammatory comments about the met's by sadiq khan. braverman wrote an article in the times which has not signed off by downing street in advance. well, let's take a look at those comments that have caused this latest controversy. braverman said this there is a perception that senior police officers play favourites when it comes to protesters. right wing and nationalist protesters who engagein nationalist protesters who

engage in aggression are rightly met with a stern response. yet pro—palestinian mobs displaying almost identical behaviour are largely ignored . and even when largely ignored. and even when clearly breaking the law are i've spoken to serving and former police officers who have noted this double standard . noted this double standard. well, let's speak now to our political editor, christopher hope.so political editor, christopher hope. so christopher , it's all hope. so christopher, it's all kicking off. it has to be said after this times article you'd expect keir starmer to be demanding. she goes, you'd expect yvette cooper, you'd expect yvette cooper, you'd expect sadiq khan to be queuing up to put the knife in. but the big question is, what's the mood like within the conservative party itself ? are they behind party itself? are they behind her or do they want braverman gone ? gone? >> well, martin, it depends who you ask. there's a group called the 30 strong new conservative things, which are looking at the future. they're quite they're quite right of the party's centre and i imagine the common sense group, another group. so the divided into these the party is divided into these different they're different factions. they're all quite braverman quite behind suella braverman and one of them, one of them

told me that she agrees. they agree with what says. she's agree with what she says. she's she celebrate woman, she being the celebrate woman, is the direction is frustrated with the direction of travel downing street. of travel in 10 downing street. and does chime with lots of and that does chime with lots of tory mps the right. there tory mps on the right. there waiting for the reason get waiting for the reason to get the for the tory party the vote out for the tory party or whether be tax cuts or or whether it be tax cuts or stronger line immigration. of stronger line on immigration. of course, going to course, next week we're going to hear the supreme court. so hear from the supreme court. so the right of the party wants her to stay question. and to stay on. no question. and we're that in many of the we're seeing that in many of the views being expressed us on views being expressed to us on twitter and in the gb views email box today for gb news. but on other there's the on the other side, there's the left of the party. there's left wing of the party. there's only the tory party. i'm talking about concerned mps have about very concerned mps have been today been telling whips today the whips whip round forgive whips did a whip round forgive me, rang round mps me, they rang round the mps today we do? today saying what should we do? at 2 or 3. i spoke said at least 2 or 3. i spoke said back to their whips, rid of back to their whips, get rid of her. she's a problem. she's wearing the government down. this is a difficult week this week is a difficult week for keir starmer with the debate in his own party about whether the ceasefire israeli the ceasefire in the israeli hamas war instead , all the focus hamas war instead, all the focus today has been on this op ed

written overnight by suella braverman and of course, and without the permission , we're without the permission, we're told by downing street and chris, no doubt starmer is delighted that the magnify glass isn't on his palestine problem again. >> but he said that rishi sunak is too weak to sack suella. but surely a lot of people out there , as you say, they think suella is one of the last true conservatives left in the party, surely sacking suella will make them seem like labour lite. a lot of people out there agree with what she's saying. a poll today showed 50% of the population versus 34% back banning these protest outs and they back her position on getting tough on law and order and getting tough with the met and getting tough with the met and that's right. >> sevilla braverman gives him coveh >> sevilla braverman gives him cover. he's, of course, given that job, wasn't she? because as home secretary, when she did a deal to support rishi sunak in the leadership election in october last year, many people, many in the party, many of many in the tory party, many of the members views the members, many gb views viewers back suella braverman there's no question about that .

there's no question about that. and the question is why that op ed appear in her name when it wasn't clear by number 10. now tonight labour's released a letter from pat mcfadden, the shadow cabinet office minister, in which he says makes clear that in view , article 8.2 of that in his view, article 8.2 of the ministerial code has been broken because that code requires that all major interviews and media appearances to signed off the private to be signed off by the private office and press office in downing street. what that means is gives cover for sunak if is that gives cover for sunak if he suella he wants to, to fire suella braverman . as things stand, the braverman. as things stand, the inquiry into what happened about this, why this this this review appeared seemingly at odds with downing street, why it appeared in suella braverman. his name has not yet been decided. as we sit 5:00. it happen sit today at 5:00. it may happen later tonight tomorrow. but later tonight or tomorrow. but as things stand and her fate is not known and do you think, chris, that the timing was deliberate? >> i mean, after all, she's got the headlines. we're talking about it. she looks tough. she's she's playing to her base as we head towards an election cycle, which looks very gloomy for the

conservative party. is this about jostling for position in for down the line for the tories lose if they're going to regroup. are there going to be an actual conservative party? maybe true maybe she's showing her true conservative credentials now . i conservative credentials now. i think of all the front bench. >> i think suella braverman is the most is the most instinct actively conservative right wing politician. when i was in a previous life, i did quite a successful podcast and when i interviewed for my podcast at the tory party conference, they they bass loved her more than any other. i think frontbencher at that time . this is the back at that time. this is the back end of liz truss's time in government. they think she's marvellous. they understand what government. they think she's marthinks;. they understand what government. they think she's marthinks;. theywhere stand what government. they think she's marthinks;. theywhere shed what government. they think she's marthinks;. theywhere she comes she thinks about where she comes from. a of from. she lacks a degree of nuancei from. she lacks a degree of nuance i think, and that was expressed in the comment piece in the language she in some of the language she used, maybe inappropriate for a home secretary who is in charge of police force. she of the police force. but she believes i think believes this stuff and i think that really comes through and people right members, people on the right members, they and they and this they like her and they and this will support the will this will support her. the thing is, if she goes now , then

thing is, if she goes now, then where does it leave the government, if there's problems at the weekend and she's proved right, in fact, that these these marches should have been called off, she might be a martyr. that's the problem they've got if they if they move toward before this the armistice day commemorations and there is trouble, then celebrating will prove to be right. yet she's out of a job. it's not an easy place for rishi sunak to be in right how. >> now. >> okay . chris, quickly, do you >> okay. chris, quickly, do you think she'll stay or do you think she'll stay or do you think she'll stay or do you think she'll go? >> think she's hanging by a >> i think she's hanging by a thread. frankly, i think it could go either way. i haven't moved since you last asked me at 3:00. martin >> very diplomatic as you should work in politics. thank you, chris. now, as chris. superb stuff. now, as i said, few minutes ago, labour said, a few minutes ago, labour have really stuck into have really got stuck into suella today. sir keir suella braverman today. sir keir starmer she's divisive and starmer say she's divisive and is undermining the police work across the country. >> i think we see people who are reasonable, who are moderate and who would always want to support the police in making difficult

decisions in difficult circumstances is what you've got at the moment is the complete opposite. a home secretary who is divisive , who is stoking up is divisive, who is stoking up tension at the very time that we should be trying to reduce tension and is undermining the police as they go into a very difficult set of operations . all difficult set of operations. all decisions, then that's compounded by the fact that we've got a prime minister who is too weak to do anything about it. that's the worst of all circumstances. he must know now that this isn't the way in which a home secretary should behave . a home secretary should behave. he must know in himself that the role of responsible government is to reduce tension and to support the police in difficult decisions that they have to make . he's got a home secretary who's out of control and he is too weak to do anything about it. that's the worst of all combination as well. >> that was starmer putting the boot into braverman earlier on today. joining us now is the

local government editor for conservative home, harry phibbs. hello to you, harry. always a pleasure. let's talk about who this party stands for. pleasure. let's talk about who this party stands for . starmer this party stands for. starmer is calling for suella head . so is calling for suella head. so sadiq khan, so is yvette cooper. but i want to ask you not about what the opposition think. not even about what rishi sunak thinks, but what do the voter base think ? think because base think? think because conservative home has some very interesting information, don't you, just how popular you, about just how popular suella braverman is with the electorate out there on the ground ? ground? >> oh, i think suella braverman is popular among the conservative grassroots and a large i mean, there's obviously a division among conservative mps, but a large number of conservative mps . i think conservative mps. i think actually reading the article in the times that lots of people have been reaching for the smelling salts, but they haven't actually said what it is they disagree with. it's difficult to argue that the police have been failing to be politically impartial.

>> they have been failing to maintain equality before the law in terms of demonstrations . in terms of demonstrations. >> given the examples that suella braverman included about black lives matter, even even dunng black lives matter, even even during the lockdown, when all demonstrations were banned, there was this special indulgence given for black lives matter with police even even taking the knee towards what then became clear was is an extreme ist organisation that that's marxist front . that's marxist front. >> so i mean that was very damaging for the police's reputation, but it's not the only incident. >> and so i think there's, there's, there's dismay at the way the, the way the police have handled it. and the important point actually isn't isn't among conservative party members but among a lot of conservative party vote or previous conservative conservative party voters who are at the moment abstaining in the recent by elections. and the conservatives need to win back the trust and confidence of those people by

showing that that they will have robust, strong conservative policies and conservative measures and that's the that's really the challenge . really the challenge. >> if they if they want to have a chance of recovering in time for the general election. >> and harry, indeed looking at your own data, it's a very interesting read because suella braverman actually fifth braverman is actually the fifth most popular minister in the entire conservative party on an approval rating of 43.5, 23rd is rishi sunak and this has been a complete reversal of fortunes from this time last year. braverman is rocketing up the table like leicester city . so it table like leicester city. so it seems actually i mean, when they win the premier league, it seems actually be that a tough talking stance on immigration, on law and order. this is what true conservatives at the grassroots want. and i put it to you, if they do buckle and kick her out, it'd be damaging to the integrity of the party as a whole. >> yes. and i would take a take a wild guess that when we have our next conservative home poll

that her popularity will have increased further . i that her popularity will have increased further. i think that her popularity will have increased further . i think the increased further. i think the difficulty for rishi sunak is that he's quite understandably wanting to maintain party unity and therefore the balance seems to be that he's that he's keeping suella braverman in as home secretary. >> i would guess that that that will be the case. but then slightly distanced himself from from some of the from some of the tone, some of the language being used. i think the criticism, the valid criticism of suella braverman would actually be that, look, it's fine to be a it's fine to be a commentator making these very valid points, but as home secretary, of course, people look to her to be to be taking the action to do it and they look to the government as a whole. and to take on the sort of woke in all the in all the quangos. and we probably were talking about something about rwanda in the news, the problems there with the european

convention of human rights, but that that also ties in with policing , as does the human policing, as does the human rights act and the equalities act. and so in terms of taking on the quangos and repealing some of these some of these laws that have been interpreted in the way that is undermining effective policing, that's that's something that as home secretary obviously she's she'd be expected to take a lead on. >> and once suspects that behind the scenes she's pushing for some of these these things and is and is being frustrated from taking the action that she would like . like. >> okay. harry phibbs the local government editor of conservative home, thank you very much for your analysis. well, earlier on i spoke to former conservative mp neil pansh former conservative mp neil parish about this story and here's he had to say. it it here's what he had to say. it it expect sadiq khan and starmer and yvette cooper to have a pop, but question to you do but my question to you is, do you think conservatives will you think the conservatives will stand her or the knives stand by her or will the knives be within the party? be out from within the party? >> martin, i think they will

stand by suella braverman. i think she'll find that she is echoing what a lot in the party think, that what people think in this country, that having them march on remembrance day, our jewish communities are also very worried about these marches and i think we just really wanted them stopped. now, i think some of the language she may have used is typical of suella braverman. i think when she talks about a mob that's probably, you know, overdoing it . but i think in the end, these marches should have taken marches should not have taken place. think there is likely place. i think there is likely to be a ceasefire or a cessation of some of hostilities in in gaza. so i think this march is unnecessary. and i think the point that, you know, that sadiq khan makes is that the right might come out onto the street. well of course, you know, palestinians are also coming out. we know those supporting the palestinians are also coming out. and of course, that does wind up the situation. so it

would have really been best not to have this march. and i think that's where where the prime minister now, how keen he is minister is now, how keen he is on some of the language that suella been i don't know. suella been made, i don't know. but i think we'll find he will support her and she will carry on. >> yeah. starmer has said that rishi is too weak to sack her, but surely sacking her is the weak thing to do. because that's what suella bravermans opponents want. if sadiq khan and starmer and cooper want something, surely that means you should do the opposite? >> i would have thought so. and i mean i quite like keir starmer , but he's got his own little local difficulty, he not? local difficulty, does he not? over the situation in gaza. and so therefore i think what he's doing is sort of bringing out the pressure on the home secretary, trying to throw the pressure back on the tories to actually hide the divisions he's got his own party. so, you got in his own party. so, you know, i think it's for tat here. and in the end, i think the british public allow people to protest. but i think some of these marches that we've had,

you know, recently , some of the you know, recently, some of the language used and you must remember that hamas actually wants to wipe israel off the face of the earth . now, you face of the earth. now, you know, this is extreme language and extremely, you can imagine why they take you know, they take action. also, the jewish community in this country has no control over the state of israel ehheh control over the state of israel either. and so i think this is the problem that we've got. i mean, i want to see a ceasefire. i very much support israel. but i very much support israel. but i can see the situation in gaza is horrendous for the palestinians. so we do need to get humanitarian aid in there. so, i mean, i think we all on the same page with this. but do we need these marches on remembrance weekend when we have, you know, the jewish community really fearful at the moment? so i think she will be supported. and i think you know, i think it was wrong for the police commissioner to allow these to carry on. but that's his decision and he will police

it properly . and i just hope we it properly. and i just hope we don't get a lot of problems . don't get a lot of problems. >> and that was neil parish mp. you can get lots more on that story on our website and thanks to you, gbnews.com is the fastest growing national news website in the country . hurrah! website in the country. hurrah! it's got breaking news and all the brilliant analysis you've come to expect from us at gb news and thanks all of you news and thanks to all of you for helping making that happen . for helping making that happen. now moving on, the guardian newspaper wants to find out how much it costs us to protect the royal family should we know or would it put the royal, the royal's family safety at risk ? royal's family safety at risk? i'm martin daubney on gb news. this is britain's news

that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from . six weeknights from. six >> welcome back . it's 526. >> welcome back. it's 526. you're watching and listening to martin daubney on gb news covering for patrick christys. who's having a well earned break. well, a little later in this hour, i'll bring you a powerful interview with the woman in northern ireland who was attacked disgracefully while selling poppies. but before that , the home office has said revealing the cost of the royal family's security could make an attack against them. more likely, as it will give potential attackers access to a mosaic of information. the guardian newspaper is challenging the government's decision not to reveal how much is spent on royal protection, arguing the figure is in the pubuc arguing the figure is in the public interest. it. arguing the figure is in the public interest . it. well, public interest. it. well, joining me now is di davis, who's a former head of royal

protection and always excellent on the show. di as somebody involved in the protection of the royal family presumably this is incredibly sensitive information because if you reveal the magnitude of the cost , then enemies of the state, those who don't like us or would wish to endanger the royal family, might be able to work out the size of the operation and therefore form an attack . is and therefore form an attack. is that a fair assumption ? that a fair assumption? >> well, no , i don't think it is. >> i've studied every attack on every member of our royal family and european royal family. from 1762 to the third, all the way up to now. i think it is right in today's society that we actually say in the bowl sense, it costs x amount of money. having looked at all the assassinations, the plots and plans, i can't see, frankly, the argument that the home office and they've done this for many years, they did it when i was in

command, but let's be fair. >> in 2010, the then assistant commissioner before for a home affairs select committee actually revealed that the total cost to scotland yard was somewhere in the region of about 110 million for protecting vips. >> former prime ministers, diplomats , etcetera, etcetera. diplomats, etcetera, etcetera. now now, with great respect, a any self—respecting terrorist isn't going to worry so much about how much it costs . if it about how much it costs. if it costs x amount, about how much it costs. if it costs x amount , let's say. so costs x amount, let's say. so you don't have to break it down into individuals. if you actually go on a website , you actually go on a website, you can find out how much a constable earns, how much a sergeant earns, and all the way up to chief superintendent, etcetera. so if you're that bothered but a terroris or an attacker in my opinion, is just my opinion and an opinion i've had for many years . i don't had for many years. i don't think disclosing the total amount will make that much

difference. and i don't buy the argument and i agree with the case that arguing for the guardian and i don't often support anything the guardian says or does, but on this occasion, common sense has to prevail. and i think they've hidden a lot of things under this secrecy. we can't talk about it because of royal security. royal security , like security. royal security, like any other, should be open to scrutiny to ensure it's one being well spent. it's appropriately being sent as spent, etcetera . spent, etcetera. >> but di the home office are perfectly within their rights to decline any freedom of information request. do you think it might be a case of who is asking? because let's face it, every time the guardian ran a report on the cost or the value of the royal family, it's hardly going to be a flattering report, is it ? report, is it? >> no, but it should be truthful all because you and i pay for it. >> and the met gets 4.2 billion in the year 23 unto 24. i don't

think disclosing if x amount is spent, i.e. think disclosing if x amount is spent, le. a figure. let anyone else try and then get how many numbers are doing it. but again, you don't have to be a brain surgeon. you can watch the royals move from a to b, you can look at the security and most terrorists spend months and years sometimes planning an attack. and again, every every attack. and again, every every attack touchwood so far has been foiled. and i'm all for that. but what i'm saying is by not being , to a degree, honest, why being, to a degree, honest, why not be a little bit more open and then you could put these requests to bed because they come quite often every other yeah come quite often every other year, sometimes some politician or somebody is asking the question, i think it's right that we give a bold figure , this that we give a bold figure, this is what it costs and this is what it costs to protect former prime ministers. you'd be amazed how many of those still get protection . tony blair has protection. tony blair has a huge let's ask those kinds of questions if we're going to ask

again, i wouldn't jeopardise for one minute to give details which i thought would jeopardise the safety of anyone, frankly , safety of anyone, frankly, including the royal family. >> okay. don davis, former head of royal protection, thank you for your full and frank disclosure. no hiding the truth from you. well, there's lots more still to come. now, between now and 6:00 in a couple of minutes, we'll hear from robert mcnally , roberta mcnally. beg mcnally, roberta mcnally. beg your pardon? a veteran who was attacked while selling poppies in northern ireland. and you really won't want to miss that very, very emotional interview . very, very emotional interview. but first, here's your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler . it's 531. wenzler. it's 531. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom . labour says suella newsroom. labour says suella braverman broke the ministerial code with an article she wrote for the times today in it, the home secretary accuses the metropolitan police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters. labour's national

campaign coordinator, pat mcfadden , says that she breached mcfadden, says that she breached the code by failing to clear the article with number 10. meanwhile, veterans minister johnny mercer says people shouldn't feel discouraged from joining in this weekend's remembrance events in london. >> they're not going to be anywhere near the cenotaph and the metropolitan police are bending over backwards to make sure that everybody who comes up into london, whether you're selling you're selling poppies, whether you're attending you're selling poppies, whether you're attencto; you're selling poppies, whether you're attencto remembrance, you're selling poppies, whether you're attencto remembrance, isj're going to remembrance, is completely unmolested and allowed on with what is a allowed to get on with what is a really special and important weekend. we spent weekend. this weekend, we spent all making sure that can all week making sure that can happen and i really encourage people to come into london. and remember in the way we always do this weekend. >> israel has agreed to a series of pauses in fighting in northern gaza. the white house says there'll be daily four hour pauses starting from today. the us says it will allow people to get out of harm's way and for deliveries of humanitarian aid. and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com .

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british legion. gb news northern ireland. reporter dougie beattie has been speaking to roberta mcnally . mcnally. >> how many years have you been raising money by poppy reps? >> i've been collecting now for about 15 years, but i started even before that with my great aunt when i was making poppies back in the day. this was back in the early 60s. >> i would have been making poppies. >> and how important is poppy day?i >> and how important is poppy day? i mean, where does that money go to? >> the money goes straight to london, but it also then comes back to the veterans . and that's back to the veterans. and that's why we raise the money to help the veterans who have been injured during wars and maybe some of the homeless veterans . some of the homeless veterans. and it all goes straight to help veterans . veterans. >> it's important to say that you have served yourself. you know what the life of a soldier is. >> i do indeed just serve for 16 years and take us through the

events of the other and any other events that you've had . other events that you've had. >> well, it was just in tesco that day, and i was just doing what i normally do and we could nofice what i normally do and we could notice at the sidelines there was two guys who just didn't look right. so i stayed because just to see what was going to happen. just to see what was going to happen . and then they stood for happen. and then they stood for a long time and then one of them came over and started to give us a bit of abuse about some of the stuff was on the table. i see on udr stuff and then he went away and then another one came over and then another one came over and he started to give a bit of verbal abuse as well. so and then later on that afternoon, then later on that afternoon, the woman in question who's on the woman in question who's on the video, which has been shared all over social media, she came in and just went nuts with verbal abuse, shouting all over the shop and then calling for

security . she whenever she had security. she whenever she had finished and i don't know what she thought security was going to do, but she called for the security. but she she gave us real called us a udr murderers and ruc murderers. >> now, these, of course, were part of the british forces and security and it is , i suppose, security and it is, i suppose, worth saying that you were there for totally voluntary . for totally voluntary. >> yes. >> yes. >> how hard is it to get volunteers to do poppy day collections ? collections? >> it is quite hard. i mean, because cause for several reasons. some of the older generation who would have collected it for years are now getting a bit older. and the younger generation coming through don't seem to want to know. so much about poppies. you get the odd one or the odd kids that do want to know, but it is. it's very difficult. well, i rely on my generation to, you

know, to go out and collect for the poppy know, to go out and collect for the poppy poppy appeal know, to go out and collect for the poppy poppy appeal . the poppy poppy appeal. >> do you think poppy day in itself has lost its essence, lost respect? >> no , i don't. and honestly , >> no, i don't. and honestly, not not around here for. no, i don't know what. i can't speak for anywhere else. but i know in lurgan they i mean, the vast majority of people here are both sides of the divide. have the utmost respect for those who paid the ultimate sacrifice . i paid the ultimate sacrifice. i mean that what happened in tesco's was, you know , she tesco's was, you know, she doesn't act on behalf of ordinary, decent people . and ordinary, decent people. and that was evident this morning when a woman came up to me and she says, i'm from the catholic community. she says , and i community. she says, and i apologise for what happened , she apologise for what happened, she says, but she wasn't speaking on my behalf. and i, i know that. i mean, there are lots of very, very decent catholics out there. >> i mean , i'm sitting here >> i mean, i'm sitting here looking at the amount of flowers and chocolates and stuff that

has been sent to you. obviously fully appreciating what you have done over the period of time for raising money for the legion. how by how much does that sit with you? how much does that mean to you? >> the flowers and stuff. it means everything to me. the support that i've had is just totally and utterly overwhelming . and the other night i had to switch my phone off because i was getting very emotional about the support that i have been getting. and it just totally overwhelmed me . and i'll take overwhelmed me. and i'll take this opportunity to apologise to some people that i haven't managed to get back because i woke up the other morning after i switched my phone to off literally hundreds of messages and a lot of them from people i don't even know. but they were willing to support me . and also willing to support me. and also it has done in a roundabout way , it has done in a roundabout way, a good for the poppy appeal

because we have sat there and i'm near out of stock because people are coming from belfast. newtownards lisburn , portadown, newtownards lisburn, portadown, they're come from all over the province to support lurgan poppy appeal and we have collected on yesterday we collected twice as much as what we would have on a normal day . normal day. >> that's obviously a very big plus and it is very much it's a very big plus. >> not just only for the poppy appeal >> not just only for the poppy appeal, but it means a lot to me personally , you know, being a personally, you know, being a ex—service myself, that these people are not going to sit back and allow this to happen. they're going to come back and support, you know, they didn't run away. they didn't say, well, i'm not going to tesco because there's abuse in there. they came in and i mean, we, as i say, near out of stock , you've say, near out of stock, you've gone back . gone back. >> yeah. will you be back again next year. >> i'll be back when you've just

finished this interview. i have been back since and i will be back again because i mean, i'm very, very passionate about what i do. very, very passionate about what ido.and very, very passionate about what i do. and i've always been very passionate about remembrance. and that's why i was awarded the bem, because i got it for remembrance, because it just runs through my veins. it's very important to me . important to me. >> wow, that's powerful stuff. i'm sure you'd like to join me in thanking roberta for what she does. in thanking roberta for what she does . it's a very, in thanking roberta for what she does. it's a very, very emotional time of year when we see people giving their own time and sell poppies to and energy to sell poppies to face abuse like that. it's just reprehensible. it really, really makes me feel very upset. anyway, let's speak now to the man who did superb man who did that superb interview, and that's gb news, northern reporter, northern ireland reporter, reporter dougie . reporter dougie beattie dougie. fantastic interview. well done on that. a very, very important thing to highlight, but it had a happy ending , didn't it? we saw happy ending, didn't it? we saw there, despite what happened to roberta, sales of poppies have

doubled and a huge rallying together of the community around her. >> well, it did. and thank goodness for that. northern ireland is a very divided society, especially when it comes to the british army. i mean, this very town that i stand in now is a divide, divided town, very much one side or the other. but the majority of the people understand the poppy- of the people understand the poppy- thby of the people understand the poppy. they should tolerance for it. and i mean, right beside me here is a statue at the top of the town and it's of a first world war soldier , william world war soldier, william mcfadzean. he died in the battle of the somme. but if you look at the stuff underneath, his father was from ballywalter and his mother was from dundalk. if we if we take a look and this is really where it's at, it's about education and history. the uk and total i think had only 30 villages or hamlets that wasn't affected by the first world war. you've got to remember that that stage that ireland north and

south was totally part of britain and not one village in the whole of ireland was not affected . there was a dead young affected. there was a dead young man in every single village back from the first world war and many, many respect that. on the poppy- lt many, many respect that. on the poppy. it is unfortunate that we do not seem to have that education in the people and maybe the younger generation , maybe the younger generation, they don't understand the relevance of what these young men give for democracy right across the uk and indeed in the repubuc across the uk and indeed in the republic of ireland. so roberta has been shaken up slightly for it. but she is no wallflower. she was ex—service herself and she gave us exclusively that interview . and she is right now interview. and she is right now back in tesco's selling poppies once more. >> dougie beattie, thank you very much for bringing us that wonderful, powerful gb news exclusive live from norland . exclusive live from norland. thank you very, very much. cheers, mate. oh okay. the shoplifter. sorry the

shoplifting epidemic has got so bad that supermarket chain lidl is resorting to extreme measures. i'm martin daubney standing in for patrick christys on gb news. this is britain's news

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staff. well, join me now is the former metropolitan senior investigating officer, peter kirk, and peter, always a pleasure to have you on the show. so look to million pounds spent by lidl on cameras to keep staff not only safe, but to make sure that shoplifting is down. because a recent report showed that only only 20% of calls to the police for shoplifting are actually attended . so £2 million actually attended. so £2 million spent by lidl. is this a sign that law and order is completely failing on shoplifting ? failing on shoplifting? >> it's very much a sign that businesses are realising that with the police service as it now is. um after all the cuts we had over the last sort of 12, 13 years, followed by lots of the numbers being brought back, but obviously new and inexperienced officers where they had you had experienced officers before , experienced officers before, they're noticing that there's a problem in relation to the

police's ability to maintain control of the streets in relation to public order and to respond to many types of crime, not just the so—called less serious types of crimes, such as shoplifting items of low value dressing, because they're realising that they've got to look after their own interests and the interests of their staff . obviously they have a health and safety at work type obugafion and safety at work type obligation , so they're having to obligation, so they're having to spend lots of money. >> we can see pictures on the screen there. peter this was earlier this year. this was the co—op group sent out videos of mobs, of thugs trying to kick their way into stores after they'd been thrown out and staff find themselves absolutely terrified. and the co—op went live with this story because they felt that the police simply weren't backing them up enough. now, it's one thing to blame the cuts police numbers , peter,

cuts of police numbers, peter, but i'll put it to you again. is this because the police have just shoplifting? just given up on shoplifting? they've decided because there's effectively £200 limit effectively this this £200 limit and thieves know that. so and the thieves know that. so they're stealing like £199, £0.99 worth of stuff. the police don't show up. and as a consequence , the poor staff are consequence, the poor staff are on the thick end of this . yeah on the thick end of this. yeah there's no hard and fast rules with these limits. >> the police need to can deal with any offence. that's a crime. even if it's a theft of something worth a penny. so they can do that. but, you know, there's some guidance as to where the line should be drawn and that is misrepresented by some in the same way that the various reclassifications of cannabis over the years have led some to believe it's been legalised or whatever, when it never has been. >> it's always remained a criminal offence and the police have powers. have always had powers. >> so some of it is >> and so some of it is a misunderstanding of what's going on and i don't think it's the police saying that they're not

taking it seriously. most police officers would love to be able to be in and around shopping centres and high streets to be able to respond to incidents such as those those incidents won't be stopped by body worn camera. they won't be so solved by body worn camera . they may by body worn camera. they may add some evidential evidence to add some evidential evidence to a subsequent investigation, but that requires the police to attend. we have not got a situation where the police are attending incidents like that quickly enough to keep a grip on pubuc quickly enough to keep a grip on public space. and that's an ongoing problem. >> but surely if a if a member of the public and that includes somebody who works at lidl or anywhere else is assaulted by a thugin anywhere else is assaulted by a thug in a supermarket, even when they try and prevent them from shoplifting, that evidence can be given to police and that be given to the police and that can be used to go and prosecute them. that's why they're them. and that's why they're having do it, because the having to do it, because the police aren't turning up. and so they're in to do they're having to step in to do they're having to step in to do the job for them. they're having to step in to do the it job for them. they're having to step in to do the it can job for them. they're having to step in to do the it can be ob for them. they're having to step in to do the it can be used' them. they're having to step in to do the it can be used to |em. they're having to step in to do the it can be used to prosecute

>> it can be used to prosecute in a private prosecution. there's nothing to stop organisations and businesses taking private criminal prosecution as it's been done around copyright theft and infringements for a long time and similar sorts of trademarking and grey market issues. it's been done for a long time with criminal prosecutions being launched privately, but that's expected . privately, but that's expected. lviv and if you haven't got a system in place whereby it just sort of happens, you've got the lawyers that you need , you lawyers that you need, you understand where the bits of paper have to go. you understand how to deal with the courts and unless you've got that in place, it can be a really , really it can be a really, really overwhelming thing to do. there are a couple of businesses that are a couple of businesses that are now offering to assist with that and you know, that's going to a part but the to have a part to play. but the bottom line is what people want with like that is with an incident like that is police turning up to and tonnes coming within seconds of putting the having dialled the phone down, having dialled 999, just doesn't i'm 999, it just doesn't happen. i'm afraid . afraid. >> okay. peter kirkham, we're going have leave there.

going to have to leave it there. thank very much for joining thank you very much for joining us the patrick christys show. us on the patrick christys show. well, have been well, loads of you have been getting today's top getting in touch on today's top story, is should she story, and that is should she stay should she of stay or should she go? of course, that's the controversy surrounding suella braverman vicky says this suella is absolutely spot on with her comments regarding the policing of protests . i've seen first of protests. i've seen first hand how the policing operates dunng hand how the policing operates during protests and it's shocking . shame on the police. shocking. shame on the police. suella stands up for great britain. she make an outstanding prime minister and lynne adds this i'd vote for suella to be prime minister. she agrees. she talks more sense than any other politician. but jude isn't such a big fan. he says. she is almost definitely undermining the police, and for that reason she should definitely resign regardless of whether you like her or not. okay. and now i've been joined once again in the studio by the magnificent michelle dewberry. hello. who of course is doing dewbs& co next? first of all, we've got the same puppies, matchy matchy courtesy of our viewers. >> susan yeah , we told that

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through? >> so that's on dewbs& co, >> so if that's on dewbs& co, thank you. i've been patrick christys tomorrow 3 christys i'm back tomorrow 3 to 6. stick around dewbs & 6. we'll stick around for dewbs& co again, i'm alex burkill co hello again, i'm alex burkill with latest news weather with your latest gb news weather forecast further sunny spells but showers through the but also showers through the next day or so. >> however, it is to turn >> however, it is going to turn dneh >> however, it is going to turn drier, albeit chilly, into the weekend. at the moment we have low pressure towards the north—west uk and that is north—west of the uk and that is bringing some strong winds, particularly the south—west particularly in the south—west and quite a showery theme. and also quite a showery theme. plenty showers as we go plenty of showers as we go through this evening and overnight, especially across western further east. western parts further east. we're have some drier, we're going to have some drier, clearer for weather a time. the heaviest rain in the south—west, and we're going and that's where we're going to have too, have the strongest winds, too, with perhaps even a with gales, perhaps even a little stronger than that. little bit stronger than that. where skies, it is where we see clear skies, it is going turn quite chilly. some going to turn quite chilly. some frost is quite likely, particularly across of particularly across parts of scotland. bit of a chilly scotland. so a bit of a chilly start for of us on friday start for many of us on friday morning a a wet one, morning and a bit of a wet one, too. in the south. outbreaks of rain here, but they will clear away we through the away as we go through the morning. elsewhere quite a bit of dry and at times sunny

weather, though, a scattering of showers still likely, particularly areas exposed showers still likely, parinortherly areas exposed showers still likely, pari northerly winds. exposed showers still likely, pari northerly winds. so )osed showers still likely, parinortherly winds. so northern the northerly winds. so northern coasts and some western and eastern to temperatures eastern fringes to temperatures are going to be a little bit on the low side highs of around 8 or 9 in the north, getting to around 11 or 12. further south, or 9 in the north, getting to a|cold, 11 or 12. further south, or 9 in the north, getting to a|cold, frosty 2. further south, or 9 in the north, getting to a|cold, frosty startther south, or 9 in the north, getting to a|cold, frosty start forr south, or 9 in the north, getting to a|cold, frosty start for quite 1, a cold, frosty start for quite a few of us on saturday morning. but there will be plenty of sunshine and quite a bit of sunshine and quite a bit of sunshine as we through the sunshine as we go through the day a few showers are day as well. a few showers are possible mainly towards coastal areas, should stay areas, but it should stay largely we go into largely dry as we go into sunday. however, some wet and windy weather is going to arrive later. you

are unable to cope with it. and this beauty , the poppy. do you this beauty, the poppy. do you think this symbol is being undermined? mps today have had to urge brits to wear them with pride and in solidarity with royal british legion volunteers as amid intimidation, threats of violence and verbal abuse . what violence and verbal abuse. what is going on and should there be

a vote in uk parliament whether