straight from school to show their support with gaza . they their support with gaza. they plan on doing this every friday. i've got to be honest. in my day, we used to just call this tagging. but anyway, the organisers reckon that the issue is now politicised. the young like never before saw. is that a good justin welby, is good thing? and justin welby, is he making farce of the he making a farce out of the church of england with his obsession worshipping at the obsession for worshipping at the altar wokeness ? is he the altar of wokeness? is he the right man for the job? and are you lonely ? get this right. you lonely? get this right. apparently half of the adults in this country are. and when it

comes to the elderly, more than 2 million people over the age of 75 say that they go for over a month without speaking to a friend or a family member. that makes me sad . yes indeed. we've makes me sad. yes indeed. we've got lots to come over the next houn got lots to come over the next hour. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live for tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. >> thanks, michelle. good evening . i'm ray addison in the evening. i'm ray addison in the newsroom. our top stories tonight, the met police say counterprotesters to the pro—palestinian march in london tomorrow will be allowed into the area around the cenotaph . the area around the cenotaph. however, an exclusion zone will be in place covering areas including whitehall and horseguards parade. effectively banning those on pro—palestine marches. 2000 officers will be on duty across central london this weekend to protect remembrance events and locations. the cenotaph will

also have a 24 hour police presence . now it all comes as presence. now it all comes as rishi sunak faces calls to sack the home secretary. she defied downing street by writing an article accusing the police of playing favourites with pro—palestinian protesters. number 10 says it didn't sign off on that article . two off on that article. two teenagers have been charged with racially aggravated criminal damage after free palestine was sprayed onto the cenotaph in rochdale . one has also been rochdale. one has also been charged with theft after poppy wreaths were taken from the base. detective chief inspector stuart round said the damage has caused emotional distress in the local community. well a third woman has been charged with terrorism with a terrorism offence for allegedly being unked offence for allegedly being linked to the display of an image of a paraglider at a pro—palestinian protest . a 27 pro—palestinian protest. a 27 year old gnome2 olayinka taiwo, was charged under section 13 of the terrorism act after two women from south london, heba

al—haq and pauline ankunda, were charged a week ago. they're accused of carrying or displaying an article to arouse suspicion that they're supporters of hamas . all three supporters of hamas. all three will face trial next year . trade will face trial next year. trade unionists opposed to the israel gaza war blockaded a weapons factory in chatham , i believe factory in chatham, i believe that we will win. >> i believe that we will win. i believe that we will win. kent police responded to the bae systems factory, where dozens of people gathered under a banner reading work is for a free palestine. >> an organiser said the weapons manufacturer is providing components for military aircraft being used in the bombardment of gaza. being used in the bombardment of gaza . tens of thousands of gaza. tens of thousands of gazans are thought to have moved to the southern part of the strip today after the israel defence forces opened an evacuation corridor. the deadune evacuation corridor. the deadline for that is now over. it's not clear when the next pause in fighting will begin.

the united nations says any pauses in airstrikes need to be coordinated with them first. natwest has scrapped about £7.6 million in potential payments to dame alison rose over her role in the nigel farage de—banking scandal. the former chief exec had been in line for an exit package of more than 10 million. the board is now only giving her around 15% of that. dame alison says she's pleased that the bank cleared her of misconduct . but cleared her of misconduct. but gb news presenter nigel farage says she failed in her duties. >> she broke every rule in the financial conduct authority rulebook. she breached my confidentiality , she told confidentiality, she told a complete lie about my financial situation, much to the amusement of my enemies. i was then forced to publish a subject access request which contained a lot of very unpleasant and indeed deeply defamatory comments about me . and i had to do that to

me. and i had to do that to prove that the real reason i'd been banked was because my views did not align with those of the bank. >> the duke of sussex says he's delighted that his privacy case against the daily mail publisher will continue in the high court. prince harry brought action against associated newspapers limited alongside sir elton john. baroness doreen lawrence and four others. they claim that it carried out unlawful information gathering and says the legal challenges against it have been brought far too late . have been brought far too late. a british couple who fell ill in their hotel room in egypt in 2018 died of carbon monoxide poisoning . a coroner has ruled. poisoning. a coroner has ruled. john and susan cooper, who were both in their 60s, were poisoned after the room next door was sprayed with pesticide to treat bedbugs. their daughter, who was on holiday with them, said that she's broken down. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on

your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's get back to . michelle to. michelle >> hello there. michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got the pr consultant, alex deane and the former editor of labourlist peter edwards. good evening. evening to you. evening. good evening to you. you know the drill. don't you? i'll just about say on friday. but a friday. it's but it's not just a friday. it's every single day. it's not just about us three. it is very about us. us three. it is very much about you guys at home. what's your mind tonight? it what's on your mind tonight? it you can touch. all the you can get in touch. all the usual vaiews@gbnews.com usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweet me at gb gb news lots. i want to talk to you about all the schoolkids bunking off or should i say going on strike. i mean, since when was that even a thing? apparently they're expressing solidarity with gaza. is it a good thing that apparently all these kids are now more politicised than ever? and i also want to talk about loneliness as well. are you lonely? is there a stigma to it still? we'll have all of that

and more. before i get into and more. but before i get into that, i want to talk to you about suella braverman, of course, the news course, dominating the news headlines. again, we covered this didn't the this yesterday, didn't we? the article the times article she wrote in the times where basically accused the where she basically accused the police playing favourites and police of playing favourites and treating on the left . when treating those on the left. when you're protesting very differently to perhaps those on the the pressure there is the right, the pressure there is now mounting . people saying that now mounting. people saying that rishi sunak has to get rid. he says he's got full confidence in the home secretary , but he does the home secretary, but he does confess that whatever she wrote in the times had not been signed off. what do you think to all this, alex? >> i think that whilst she may use some terms that people might not use themselves, she's perfectly within her rights to express her opinion. and i think furthermore , given that the furthermore, given that the ability to designate something as a protest so risky that it can't take place, it's not with her, but with the police, that she is whilst home secretary and in charge of the police, nominally in a place of pleading

, our government is , you know, our government is having the metropolitan having to ask the metropolitan police rather police to do something rather than being able to tell it to. so she's entitled to put her views ways. i think views in forceful ways. i think she's saying something she's also saying something a lot of people think. >> so you don't think that sunak should rid? should be getting rid? >> i not think >> no. not only do i not think that, i think she's saying things that lots of ways things that are in lots of ways quite helpful to the government because ground because it's staking out ground that demonstrates demur because it's staking out ground that the onstrates demur because it's staking out ground that the onstrat standing emur because it's staking out ground that the onstrat standing by ur from the police standing by whilst of people shout whilst thousands of people shout jihad ignore law that jihad or ignore the law that says can't wear a mask to says you can't wear a mask to protest. loads of protest. there are loads of people wearing scarves or people going wearing scarves or masks covering their faces. masks or covering their faces. and government's got and so the government's got every right, i think, to say that's not for us. and even if she's an outlier in the way that she's an outlier in the way that she expresses it, it's perfectly for me within the mainstream of political dialogue agree. political dialogue to agree. >> no, i think put his case >> no, i think alex put his case very but disagree very well, but i disagree completely. she should completely. i think she should be sacked. concerned that be sacked. i'm concerned that when many challenges when there's so many challenges facing including around when there's so many challenges faci protests, including around when there's so many challenges faci protests, that cluding around when there's so many challenges faci protests, that the ing around the protests, that the government and the conservative party itself parliament seems party itself in parliament seems dominated by suella braverman, where should be talking about dominated by suella braverman,

whe|to should be talking about dominated by suella braverman, whe|to tackle jld be talking about dominated by suella braverman, whe|to tackle rising talking about how to tackle rising anti—semitism, islamophobia , anti—semitism, islamophobia, also labour. labour say she should be sacked and rishi sunak is too weak to sack her. so we'll see what happens by monday morning. but there's a why would he sacking advice and team he take sacking advice and team advice from keir starmer? well, it's about taking advice, it's not about taking advice, but always but the opposition is always going a view on whatever going to have a view on whatever the government does. i think there's well. there's a wider issue as well. lots people have picked up on lots of people have picked up on about whether she's broken the ministerial it ministerial code. think about it in obviously in another way. obviously i disagree most of her views, in another way. obviously i disa rishi most of her views, in another way. obviously i disarishi sunakost of her views, in another way. obviously i disarishi sunak is: of her views, in another way. obviously i disarishi sunak is herher views, in another way. obviously i disarishi sunak is her bossiews, in another way. obviously i disarishi sunak is her boss and but rishi sunak is her boss and in walks of life, tv in an in most walks of life, tv in an office, in a supermarket, in government. if your boss asks you to do something and you do the you'll in the opposite, you'll be in serious let me see serious trouble. let me see whether or not i've got the segment of ministerial code. segment of the ministerial code. >> i've got it, i'm going to >> if i've got it, i'm going to try and put up on the screen try and put it up on the screen for you because i actually for you because i don't actually think read it, i think it think when i read it, i think it is section 8.2 or something like that to me when i was reading this. so this i'll read to this. so this i'll read it to you.soifi this. so this i'll read it to you. so if i can just keep it on the screen and i'll read out the screen and i'll read it out for anyone listening. so this is

about article she wrote and about the article she wrote and it section 8.2. in order to it says section 8.2. in order to ensure effective ensure the effective co—ordination of cabinet business, policy and business, the policy content and timing of all major announcements, speeches, press releases and new policy initiatives in initiatives should be cleared in draft 10 press and draft with a number 10 press and private at least 24 private offices at least 24 hours in advance. all major interviews media interviews and media appearances, both print and broadcast, also be agreed broadcast, should also be agreed with the number 10 press office. so a lot of people are trying to get this and saying that get her on this and saying that that the times that that piece in the times alone was enough to get rid of her. but when i read that it wasn't a policy announcement, it wasn't a policy announcement, it wasn't speech, it wasn't an wasn't a speech, it wasn't an interview , was opinion . interview, it was her opinion. >> i mean, that's a defence put out by her aides . sources out by her aides. sources telling newspapers it's just her opinion. but she holds one of it's more than that. it's one of the great offices of state home secretary. there's an international crisis in the middle east which i think left or right, we're all very saddened and distressed by. but then are there is conflict then there are there is conflict , sadly, on the streets of , very sadly, on the streets of britain way, i don't lump britain by the way, i don't lump all together. all the protesters together. some that some are genuinely people that want peace. but clearly there's

a who want to stir up a minority who want to stir up trouble. such a sensitive trouble. but on such a sensitive issue , just to out an issue, just to chuck out an article like this, ignore the comments. wasn't comments. and it wasn't that they downing they didn't see it. downing street the article , i street saw the article, i requested and her team or requested edits and her team or her suella refused to make them. so it's basically sticking two fingers up at her boss on such a sensitive issue. and my worry is finally that it makes it all about her. >> well, alex, i don't know. >> well, alex, i don't know. >> look, i storm in a teacup. really isn't it? i thought you were you said why were right when you said why would take advice from would you take your advice from the opposition the the opposition when the opposition must go, it opposition says x must go, it normally is normally means x is doing a pretty good job and they'd rather get rid and move on to someone they can have another go at. the point about this is if you to bring down a you manage to bring down a minister, don't say, minister, you don't just say, well, are then well, there we are then everything's fine. you can try and bring another we and bring another one down. we saw dominic raab went saw i thought dominic raab went over shouldn't have over something he shouldn't have had the point had to go over. but the point is, they someone is, when they bring someone down, they just move on and try and get the next indeed the and get the next one. indeed the week i can't even week after, i can't even remember moved to remember who they moved on to next, they were they were

next, but they were they were trying some trying to demonstrate some minister other. steve barclay minister or other. steve barclay they tried to rid the they tried to get rid of the week dominic the week after. dominic raab so the opposition to make opposition is going to make these on the point you these noises on the point you were making about the ministerial code, which of course and use as some course they try and use as some sort of gotcha, only was sort of gotcha, not only was this policy, it definitively this not policy, it definitively could because could not be policy because she doesn't to doesn't have the ability to determine what protests go ahead or you know, in fact, she or not. you know, in fact, she is to designate is not able to designate something protest something as a protest that ought be banned. so it's ought to be banned. so it's impossible for it to have been policy. i in to and fro policy. i look in the to and fro between her and number 10. if they got something wrong her between her and number 10. if they oh, something wrong her between her and number 10. if they oh, well. thing wrong her between her and number 10. if they oh, well. but] wrong her between her and number 10. if they oh, well. but] wr not her end. oh, well. but it's not a hanging offence. >> and other stuff? >> and what about other stuff? when was saying about that, when she was saying about that, some live in some people choose to live in tents, for example, as a lifestyle choice. well we have i mean, the biggest issue for me in homelessness in this country isn't it's the number isn't that it's the number of veterans homeless, often veterans who are homeless, often with health problems. with mental health problems. >> is no >> and for me, there is no excuse a civilised society excuse in a civilised society for those have served for having those who have served your in uniform, living for having those who have served your streets] uniform, living for having those who have served your streets .uniform, living for having those who have served your streets . fororm, living for having those who have served your streets . for me, living for having those who have served your streets . for me, that'si on the streets. for me, that's where i put emphasis, not where i put the emphasis, not not the point she's made, but not on the point she's made, but you capable of you know, you're capable of thinking one thing at

thinking more than one thing at once. do disagree with what she. no, think i do no, i don't think i do particularly. there are some people indeed, sometimes particularly. there are some people going|deed, sometimes particularly. there are some people going|deed, scsomefes they're going to need some assistance states, but assistance from the states, but they are there because they have refused the state. and refused help from the state. and at you can say they at that point, you can say they are doing that by choice. yeah and got i don't and i've got to say, i don't understand massive understand this massive sensitivity she sensitivity because what she said sensitivity because what she saiithere are some people and we >> there are some people and we debated at the when debated this at the time when she came and said that thing she came out and said that thing about some people choosing to be on streets. so many people on the streets. so many people got me that are got in touch with me that are directly involved this directly involved in this sector. had that ran sector. so i had people that ran direct access hostels. i had former prison officers getting in touch. i had one lady. she might even be watching. and if you are, i apologise. i can't remember your was remember your name. she was telling her two telling me about her two brothers. they to use drink brothers. they want to use drink and and they've been asked and drugs and they've been asked to family home and to leave the family home and they're proactively choose to be on telling on the streets. she was telling me weren't going me they weren't going to my address because they can't take the drink or the drugs. so my point was summary, suella was point was in summary, suella was accurate in what she said. >> i'll speak from >> no know and i'll speak from my own experience. i've been involved with homelessness

charities and charities in leeds and york and london, both as a board member and a volunteer on the front and as a volunteer on the front line. might possibly be true and as a volunteer on the front lineone might possibly be true and as a volunteer on the front lineone in ght possibly be true and as a volunteer on the front lineone in 1000 )ssibly be true and as a volunteer on the front lineone in 1000 oribly be true and as a volunteer on the front lineone in 1000 or 10,000 true for one in 1000 or 10,000 people, but for the vast majority of people i've met on the streets, giving food as the streets, giving them food as part of christian efforts and all faiths do it in britain, work with homeless communities. the vast, vast, vast majority of people do not want to be there. and as rightly indicated, and as alex rightly indicated, there other drivers there are lots of other drivers like veterans not being like abuse veterans not being looked addiction and it looked after. addiction and it is disgraceful to say people want there and as we go want to be there and as we go into winter is unbelievable. >> disgraceful if it's >> why is it disgraceful if it's true? you concede? because true? do you concede? because she sentence on she said her first sentence on that she wants to that message was she wants to support people at are homeless. she that british people support people at are homeless. shecompassionatetish people support people at are homeless. shecompassionate .sh people support people at are homeless. shecompassionate . she eople support people at are homeless. shecompassionate . she doesn't are compassionate. she doesn't want people the want to see people on the streets. she moved on and streets. she then moved on and she talking about people or she was talking about people or perhaps foreign culture perhaps from a foreign culture that don't have a problem with choosing live in tents on street. >> well , i can street. >> well, i can tell you, i've met hundreds , if not thousands met hundreds, if not thousands of people on the street and spoken to them 1 to 1. the vast, vast majority do not want to be

on the street. and when you talk to them, we conclude that the vast, majority do. vast, vast majority do. >> not talking about >> i'm not talking about the vast, majority. talking vast, vast majority. i'm talking about other people that are about the other people that are not that category. you not in that category. do you concede that there are some people that do make choice? people that do make that choice? >> one. >> i've never met one. >> oh, well, i'd be surprised. i mean, i can't gainsay your experience, of course, experience, which of course, i respect, but, you know, i've done share. we all have done my share. so we all have done my share. so we all have done bh done my share. so we all have done bit to volunteer. done our bit to volunteer. and i volunteer at homeless shelter, volunteer at a homeless shelter, would saying would embarrass it by saying which but i also, you know, which one. but i also, you know, my time the criminal bar saw my time at the criminal bar saw a people were a lot of people who were homeless just like a lot homeless because just like a lot of things, the poorest in society disproportionately represented in those who go through court system. and through our court system. and there there were always there were there were always some people who couldn't take dnnk some people who couldn't take drink or drugs into their homeless shelter or were kicked out of because they were a out of it because they were in a shelter and found to have shelter and were found to have been or using. and in been drinking or using. and in effect, suppose it depends on effect, i suppose it depends on how her term of how you define her term of choosing on street. choosing to be on the street. they had to be on the they had chosen to be on the street. would i call it a lifestyle choice? i'm not sure i might use that but the

might use that term, but the point she's making is a valid one. >> do you think that this is all about an effort for suella to become next leader of the tories? >> you see, that's loads of people speculated that. people have speculated on that. no, i think she's no, i don't. i think she's saying she thinks. think saying what she thinks. i think she's valuable, she's making a valuable, a valuable at least my valuable or at least my perspective valuable for any perspective. perspective valuable for any persp that e. perspective valuable for any persp that lots of tories agree point that lots of tories agree with and it's possible to actually take a position that causes actually take a position that cileadership plotter. you know, a leadership plotter. you know, just think about how many leaders tory party's in leaders the tory party's had in recent times. not we recent times. we're not we can't. we can't go round having another defenestration. right. so, don't think it's so, you know, i don't think it's a and you should a leadership bid. and you should there in society there should be room in society for leading ministers able for leading ministers to be able to make point without someone to make a point without someone saying trying to become saying you're trying to become the leader. >> you think she >> briefly, do you think she wants to leader? >> briefly, do you think she waris to leader? >> briefly, do you think she wari think leader? >> briefly, do you think she wari think sheader? >> briefly, do you think she wari think she does. but more >> i think she does. but more importantly me, it's actually importantly to me, it's actually tory briefing the tory backbenchers briefing the papers saying this is she papers saying this is what she wants to do. one very quick word of warning talking about of warning we're talking about earlier in tory leadership contests, wins. >> e there you go. that's >> well, there you go. that's peter edwards. words of warning that leave you with. peter edwards. words of warning that do leave you with. peter edwards. words of warning that do you eave you with. peter edwards. words of warning that do you make ou with. peter edwards. words of warning that do you make to with. peter edwards. words of warning that do you make to itith. peter edwards. words of warning that do you make to it all? i've what do you make to it all? i've got to say, saturn. there are

saturn. uncomfortable truths in our they're not our society. they're not pleasant to admit. but pleasant things to admit. but that mean that they're that doesn't mean that they're not happening. i do not actually happening. and i do believe braverman . believe that suella braverman. and i know she echoes what a lot of guys think at home, but of you guys think at home, but if you completely disagree with her, touch and tell me her, get in touch and tell me why. one of my guests yesterday as asked, what your as well asked, what is your favourite braverman favourite suella braverman achievement speaks achievement? and she speaks a lot. but in terms of achievement, what's your top one? me what you think to one? tell me what you think to that. schoolkids in that. also, schoolkids in bristol are going on strike from school . what? anyway, they're school. what? anyway, they're all about solidarity in gaza . all about solidarity in gaza. what do you make to this? see you

she wasn't actually obliged to have it signed off by number 10, although of course it would have been courteous . been courteous. >> hi there michelle dewberry till 7:00 tonight. pr consultant alex dean alongside me, as is the former editor of labourlist, peter edwards . jeff gets in peter edwards. jeff gets in touch and says, i love your show, michel, but please, please, please, can you stop

saying that? you know the drill at the top of your programme. you've hundred you've explained it a hundred times. know the drill. times. yes, we know the drill. you need to explain it to you don't need to explain it to us again. it's driving him insane. >> oh, there might be new viewers. >> yeah. don't be so grumpy, jeff. it's i have my. jeff. it's friday. i have my. i have a little routines that i like i have a cup of tea, like to do. i have a cup of tea, a squirt, my perfume. i say, you know the drill, and then i'm in programme mode. so don't say you'll discombobulate me if i take away. take my sentence away. and anyway, alex someone anyway, as alex said, someone could to the could be new, brand new to the show. might not know that show. they might not know that you guys are a very important part speaking which, part of it. speaking of which, andy says, michel, if you truly believe suella braverman speaks andy says, michel, if you truly believe majorityyraverman speaks andy says, michel, if you truly believe majorityyraithis an speaks for the majority in this country, answer me this why the tories low in the then tories so low in the polls then and labour running so high? and labour are running so high? i said, i think speaks i said, i think she speaks for the i actually a the silent. i did actually say a majority. to fair, i did well majority. to be fair, i did well , anyway, who runs all these polls? never been pulled polls? i've never been pulled for all life and for anything in all my life and i'm sure that many of my viewers would say exactly the same. have you been polled? you ever been polled? >> haven't, would make >> i haven't, but i would make the it's perfectly the point it's perfectly possible agree with something possible to agree with something

somebody says and still wants to vote other side. vote for the other side. >> says, yes. well, it does >> john says, yes. well, it does speak the silent majority. speak for the silent majority. i'm red wall voter and as much i'm a red wall voter and as much as i like my mp, if suella goes, so does my vote. unless, of course, would replaced by course, you would be replaced by lee i think it'd be lee anderson. i think it'd be michael some people michael gove that some people would be tipping to perhaps get that barry she that role instead. barry she says , that says if she is sacked, that would be the end for the tory party, simon says. suella braverman a mean braverman is nothing but a mean individual trip. she individual on a power trip. she is embarrassment to herself is an embarrassment to herself and the tories. her views on protesters, immigrants and the homeless are vile, he says. well, there you go. keep your thoughts coming in. vaiews@gbnews.com get this everyone over in bristol all schoolkids now are skipping school. they're going on strike from school. why does this even become such a thing? all this strikes malarkey. in my day we didn't turn up. you twerking. that's what you were doing. but anyway, now, apparently it's called strike from called going on strike from school. it's all about showing soledar palestine. school. it's all about showing soleorganisers palestine. school. it's all about showing soleorganisers say palestine. school. it's all about showing soleorganisers say thatestine. school. it's all about showing soleorganisers say that they're the organisers say that they're going to strike, going to continue to strike, admits me. laugh strike anyway . admits me. laugh strike anyway. they're not striking. they're

just not going to school. but anyway, they're going to continue every friday until continue this every friday until get there's a get this, everybody, there's a ceasefire in gaza. apparently one of the organisers have said that this conflict has politicised the young in a way that's never been seen before. >> guff and you ask the question, where did this start? and you asked it rhetorically. but think the answer it but i think the answer is it began with greta thunberg, the world's truant who world's most famous truant who started trend of saying started a trend of saying climate was so important climate change was so important that to that children shouldn't go to school protest school and should protest things. the trouble is, these causes aren't mutually exclusive. take exclusive. and if you take together views together whatever your views on these these these questions, you know these if together climate if you take together climate change, what's happening in gaza, ukraine still happening. don't forget, be alarm type protests me too movements and whatever the next global crisis internationally in conflict might be. you could string them together such that you never go together such that you never go to school. and the answer is we shouldn't celebrate truancy and bunking off. if you are not going to school, you should be made to how come? >> as well. if you take your kid

out of school to go on holiday dunng out of school to go on holiday during term as during term time, you as a parent get fined. so how parent will get fined. so how come now then kids can just come now then the kids can just decide there's this situation that like, so not that i don't like, so i'm not going to and then they going to go in and then they don't get fined and they shouldn't be able to do that. >> interestingly, that >> but interestingly, that policy fining parents policy about fining parents for taking of school taking their kids out of school was and the number was introduced and the number of parents so. parents deciding to do so. i think the number went up because they well, know they thought, well, now i know what the price to pay is and i just pay the fine and it's okay rather there being a moral rather than there being a moral question making sure that question of making sure that your went to school. so your child went to school. so sometimes these things can have perverse undesired perverse results, but undesired results, a results, you still save a fortune because actually the price the school in the price of the school trips in the school you'd save school term, you'd save a fortune. that's what meant. fortune. that's what i meant. now are making the now parents are making the evaluation. save more by evaluation. if i save more by paying evaluation. if i save more by paying fine and going in paying the fine and going in term would going term time, then i would do going in peak season. then i'll do it rather thinking the rather than thinking the cost isn't the money. the cost isn't about the money. the cost isn't about the money. the cost is my child's education. is about my child's education. >> indeed, i'm going to bring it back the gaza back to this topic of the gaza situation. apparently, according to this is a statistic save to this is a statistic from save the one child is the children. one child is

killed minutes in killed every ten minutes in gaza. of course, know that killed every ten minutes in gaza. o goturse, know that killed every ten minutes in gaza. 0 got a se, know that killed every ten minutes in gaza. ogot a massivelyw that killed every ten minutes in gaza. ogot a massively young they've got a massively young population well. what population there as well. what do you make to these going do you make to these kids going on strike? >> really uncomfortable with >> i'm really uncomfortable with it, i wouldn't call it it, and i wouldn't call it a strike. i think there are bad things the and think things in the world and i think children to that. children do need to learn that. and one example is be in london, especially. there are lot of especially. there are a lot of russian children, there's a lot of children now around of ukrainian children now around the to children the uk. so you need to children need understand there are bad need to understand there are bad things world, but i also things in the world, but i also wouldn't call it strike. wouldn't call it a strike. i think can agree we're all think we can agree we're all equally distressed both the equally distressed by both the suffering israel and in gaza, equally distressed by both the suff

children, what's going children, you know, what's going on the world. personally, my on in the world. personally, my child, shield child, i would want to shield him as much as possible him from as much as possible that going the world that is going on in the world that is going on in the world that not directly impact that does not directly impact his life. children have got so many increasing levels of anxiety all rest of it. anxiety and all the rest of it. why kids need to be taught why do kids need to be taught all horrible things all the wrong, horrible things in why can't be in society? why can't they be innocent as possible ? >> and 7- >> and i'm 7— >> and i'm not ? >> and i'm not sure 7 >> and i'm not sure that's possible. and just speaking from what my kind of what i know in my kind of friends and family, the there are ukrainian flags in primary school classrooms . and i think school classrooms. and i think that's positive. but then that prompts a conversation with children. and you have to be sensitive as well to russian children who are innocent , just children who are innocent, just like ukrainian kids, and help them to understand the context. >> why do we need flags relating to a war in a primary school classroom ? classroom? >> well, that's my point. is there up now, i'm not headmaster. >> you said that was a good thing. so i'm asking you why. why do you think that? >> i think it is because i think it's a sign of solidarity for people world enduring people in the world enduring great then the

great suffering. but then the little children to be balanced lviv solidarity lviv need to have solidarity with killed over there. >> why would you want to plant that head don't that in their head if they don't already know it and cause already know about it and cause anxiety and distress? already know about it and cause anx because distress? already know about it and cause anx because lots'ess? already know about it and cause anx because lots of;? already know about it and cause anx because lots of classrooms >> because lots of classrooms are if there's russian are mixed. so if there's russian and ukrainian children , there and ukrainian children, as there are london are certainly in london where i live, where it's a very diverse community, if their families are affected about affected and are talking about it, you can't shut it out at the school gate and say it doesn't exist anymore. >> i would quite like a >> i would i would quite like a bit escapism, perhaps for the bit of escapism, perhaps for the kids, but very interesting, isn't it? >> w n e i was e“— e i was at the criminal >> so when i was at the criminal bar, someone put something bar, someone would put something in if they wanted to in the passive if they wanted to avoid responsibility. were in the passive if they wanted to av the responsibility. were in the passive if they wanted to av the playground y. were in the passive if they wanted to avthe playground y. viwas in the playground and there was a fight and he got stabbed. means went to the playground means i went to the playground with i stabbed him. with a knife and i stabbed him. and here people saying, we and here people are saying, we children politicised. children are being politicised. what look at the what they mean. look at the rally. just showed us what rally. you just showed us what they mean is we are politicising children. just three, children. they just took three, four, you can't four, five year olds. you can't tell those kids know tell me those kids know what they're covered for they're covered in stickers for particular causes. got particular causes. they've got no what's going on. the no idea to what's going on. the children are being politicised by organised events. by those organised these events. >> maybe i'm just

>> you know, maybe i'm just deluding myself. >> i think there's so many >> i just think there's so many horrible in society. why horrible things in society. why wouldn't you want shelter wouldn't you want to shelter your long your kids for as long as possible? at some point possible? because at some point it's unavoidable. it's awful, it's unavoidable. it's awful, it's as adults. but it's everywhere as adults. but i don't know, maybe i'm just being a little bit naive. get in touch and let know thoughts on and let me know your thoughts on that. are calls for the that. there are calls for the archbishop of qantas stand archbishop of qantas to stand down, work well. down, sir. will work well. bigger and what do you think to it all? get in touch and i'll see .

comes to issues like this. and it's something that happens . and it's something that happens. and >> hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. we just continued in parts in the break in that conversation about whether or not children should indeed be sheltered from all the wrongs in society and how practical that is. the point was just made that actually it's better for kids perhaps to learn in the classrooms as opposed to on picket lines and things like that that we just saw. what do

you make of it all? um, let's see. students who do not turn up at school for supporting a political motive should be suspended from class, says margaret's . this is shocking margaret's. this is shocking this strike situation, says gordon . and tony said, it's gordon. and tony said, it's disgusting that children are being used in this way. leave kids out of politics and let children be children first. short toby says, are you not sure this isn't just teachers trying to have every friday off school between now and christmas? you're a cynical man, tony. you're a cynical man . tony. you're a cynical man. let's move on. the archbishop of canterbury is facing calls to resign . i mean, this canterbury is facing calls to resign. i mean, this has canterbury is facing calls to resign . i mean, this has been resign. i mean, this has been going on for quite some time now, wasn't it? this is all about reconciling the church's division of same sex relationships and his commitment to what some would see as divisive of causes. i can summarise it a little bit more briefly by saying that many people would say he's worshipping at the altar of wokeness a little bit too much. where are you on it? well i'm a member of the church of england. >> i think he's in a very

difficult position on this question, not least because, you know, the money that know, a lot of the money that the church has sits in its western populations and a lot of its growth is seen in southern in the global south, especially africa, where views are a good deal less liberal. so it's very difficult to balance and try and keep your church together. i'm to say, not a fan is a low balling it of this archbishop, but not for this reason. i thought it was very interesting. andrew roberts has got a piece in the spectator about this week about bishops in the house of lords . there are 26 of them. of lords. there are 26 of them. of course, it's completely unread presentative compared to other faiths, and it's been it's part of our rich tapestry and we have an established church and so forth. but it's getting it's got to they are so to the point now they are so anti—government so motivated anti—government and so motivated by political positions by partisan political positions that i by partisan political positions thati no by partisan political positions that i no longer they that i no longer think they should as a member should be there. as a member of the church england myself , the church of england myself, he's the he's monitored from the coalition they opposed coalition time when they opposed government a mere three quarters of in to this of the time in votes to this parliament when they have voted

against the government, more than 98% of the time in the house of lords, a block of 26 in our upper house. and at that point it's completely unsustainable. that's why welby should go, because of this should go, not because of this issue, sir. >> just let me ask you, on >> but just let me ask you, on this house of lords thing then, so of the bishops so you'd get rid of the bishops and what? leave those and do what? just leave those seats not replace them. seats vacant, not replace them. >> of course. it's the >> yeah, of course. it's the second largest legislative chamber world chamber in the world after china. ridiculous. so i china. it's ridiculous. so i probably. got to do probably. you've got to do things gradually, right? i'd lop perhaps them and see perhaps ten of them off and see if they're going to listen. the other thing that matters is that bishops by convention, if they rise everyone else has rise to speak, everyone else has to ? so they've got to shut up right? so they've got precedence in the lords over precedence in in the lords over everybody else . so i'll rid everybody else. so i'll get rid of that i'd halve their of that and i'd halve their numbers for argument's sake and see if it has a salutary effect. >> hm. interesting peter. >> hm. interesting peter. >> i don't accept premise >> i don't accept the premise that of political. >> i don't accept the premise tha'think of political. >> i don't accept the premise tha'think about of political. >> i don't accept the premise tha'think about the political. >> i don't accept the premise tha'think about the prime al. we think about the prime ministers dominated my lifetime, 40 years. thatcher and blair both felt they got a tough time by the church of england bishops in the house of lords, and it

tends to be because of the topics that a strong government with a big majority is passing legislation on. i'm not going to revisit all over now because i want to try and answer your question, which is i'm also a member the church england. member of the church of england. i justin has i think archbishop justin has done good job in very done a good job in very difficult times. he's made mistakes, but we all make mistakes. think trying mistakes. i think he's trying to find used find consensus and alex used a word division, which sadly is correct. so i disagreed with a lot alex's analysis. lot of alex's analysis. but there's division there's clearly division that's very are very deep seated. people are acting according to their conscience. and i think we've got to bear in mind that faith, any faith is different to politics or running a football club or being ceo of a ftse 100 company. and ordinarily , this company. and ordinarily, this division, if you if you're a football team disagreeing other in the premier league or the cabinet of the uk government or issues like that or ftse 100 company, they'll be called for someone to be sacked. i think it's different in a place of faith because one, there's no right answer because there are two very different two camps with very different views sexuality . but we've

views about sexuality. but we've got to remember that they are we if christian faith , are if you have christian faith, are unhed one if you have christian faith, are united one bigger thing, united by one bigger thing, which christ and the which is faith in christ and the resurrection . resurrection. >> n resurrection. >> i accept your >> yeah. look, i accept your point about faith being different, but to make the different, but just to make the point because you disagree with me being partisan me about them being partisan when had his when dominic cummings had his event driving up to castle event over driving up to castle baynard , barnard castle . but all baynard, barnard castle. but all of the bishops, all of the senior bishops had a coordinated attack on social media, on the government, saying they withdraw support and cooperation from the government during covid. if this sort of if they basically if cummings it was the cummings didn't go, it was the most nakedly and most nakedly partisan and political could political thing you could possibly dressed as possibly imagine, dressed up as pseudo partisan. >> so it's political . it's >> so it's political. it's completely partisan, expressing a view , but we've no idea how a view, but we've no idea how they vote . i don't accept it as they vote. i don't accept it as partisan in the sense of being a bit labour. ishy they were just outraged public outraged as many of the public i don't know how they vote as individuals although individuals rules, but although sorry, they can't because they're peers, they would vote as individuals. >> i know how they vote >> but i do know how they vote in the lords they vote

in the lords and they vote comprehend. and overwhelmingly more time more than 98% of the time against government. against the government. >> and think is just >> and do you think that is just coincidental you for coincidental, you know, for exactly laid out that thatcher blair and then we've had lots of prime ministers recently but the kind was cameron. >> they all had issues with being opposed and you know, cameron has tried to middle cameron has tried to be middle ground. middle ground. blair tried to be middle ground. blair tried to be middle ground. thatcher definitely not. they issues with the they all had issues with the church church church because the church is right that at times the church is form of opposition, it is a form of opposition, but it shouldn't party political . shouldn't be party political. >> fine, of course, >> yeah, it's fine, of course, to i and to take stands and i and i respect that. the point is, it's all the time, the stats i'm talking about aren't about one issue or bishop, but all of issue or one bishop, but all of the and an entire the bishops and an entire parliament. all of parliament. come on, it's all of the over an entire the bishops over an entire parliament, more than 98% the parliament, more than 98% of the time government. time opposing the government. that's bloc, that's just systematic en bloc, partisan politics. >> well, something's not working, because in 2019, working, is it? because in 2019, the of england's alleged the church of england's alleged average attendance was average weekly attendance was apparently 854,000. and at and if you fast forward to 2021, that's gone to down 605 go go

broke . well, he says and broke. well, he says and i quote, it's better to be work than asleep. >> it's what the archbishop does. yeah, it's just another demonstration of how out of touch he is with people. who's turning off and i'd love to see what the are on people and what the stats are on people and i haven't well people people who are to catholicism instead are going to catholicism instead because certainty because they want some certainty and church that's and they want a church that's focussed god christ focussed on on god and christ rather than on the latest woke issue that attracts the archbishop final sentence from you on that? >> think the archbishop, >> well, i think the archbishop, justin, quote, you kind of saw was of a throwaway remark, was a bit of a throwaway remark, but different but there are many different facts. there are many different factors why church of england attendance on sundays has declined . there's great energy declined. there's great energy and growth in evangelical and growth in the evangelical churches . but let's not pin and growth in the evangelical churches. but let's not pin this all down on woke . there are so all down on woke. there are so many other factors. it's way too complex to go into now , marion says. >> i've left the church after over 60 years, welby is singing from the wrong hymn sheet and he needs to go. where did you go? because i'm interested in alex's point there. people are point there. when people are leaving the church where are you

going? anywhere are you going? anywhere else? are you just faith? what's just abandoning faith? what's happening you archive says just abandoning faith? what's happerhas you archive says just abandoning faith? what's happerhas turnedyu archive says just abandoning faith? what's happerhas turned the archive says just abandoning faith? what's happerhas turned the church says just abandoning faith? what's happerhas turned the church ofiys welby has turned the church of england into an activist organisation for jesus was an activist . activist. >> jesus was an activist. jesus was angry about poverty and hypocrisy. the church should be activist. well, all churches should be activist, keith says. >> this grievance culture has, and i quote, diddly squat to do with christianity . so there you with christianity. so there you go. your thoughts? keep them coming in. i want to talk to you after the break about loneliness. are you lonely? get this right. apparently half of us adults are or have been . and us adults are or have been. and over 2 million, over 75 year olds do indeed suffer from loneliness . what's going on? see loneliness. what's going on? see you .

in two. hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you for 7:00 tonight. the consulting alex dean alongside me, as are the

former editor of labourlist peter edwards. we have been talking a lot just then , and if talking a lot just then, and if you've just joined the show, you've just joined the show, you've missed quite a bit. what have you been doing with your friday night? have you friday night? where have you been? one place to been? there's only one place to been? there's only one place to be dewbs and if you miss the be dewbs& co and if you miss the start, you'll have watch back start, you'll have to watch back on the app. yeah, the whole thing children taking thing about children taking their fridays what they their fridays off what they called strike, which think is called strike, which i think is a laughable now, there a bit laughable now, there doesn't seem to much support doesn't seem to be much support for , i have to say , sue for that, i have to say, sue says.i for that, i have to say, sue says. i would wager a bet that most of the protesters on the side of palestine haven't even got a clue what it is that they're protesting about . yes, they're protesting about. yes, i could not be more outraged that a school or parents would allow this to happen. we've just been talking about justin welby and says, i've been wondering where archbishop welby has been for the last month. he's usually very quick to give us the benefit of his wisdom on many matters outside of his remit , matters outside of his remit, i.e. migrants, etcetera. i.e. illegal migrants, etcetera. now when he should be here showing more leadership , she

now when he should be here showhe'snore leadership , she now when he should be here show he's gone.eadership , she now when he should be here showhe's gone missing p , she now when he should be here showhe's gone missing in she says he's gone missing in action, as he did in her view dunng action, as he did in her view during covid long of you are getting in touch about this next topic. before i get into this, i will just say cheers to you . will just say cheers to you. happy friday. you know the drill, don't you ? cheers. drill, don't you? cheers. cheers. cheers. cheers cheers . cheers. cheers. cheers cheers. peter. peter. can't believe his luck.i peter. peter. can't believe his luck. i don't think you've ever been here on a friday, have you? first friday. >> ever booked me in for next week? yeah >> this is we on >> this is what we do on a friday. cheers. to everybody. now, reason i do my cheers now, the reason i do my cheers first is because my next topic. i quite sensitive i think it's quite a sensitive one, actually, it's a very one, actually, and it's a very broad one, i can tell broad reaching one, i can tell you. right. i've got some goosebumps already because i was asking you if you're lonely because apparently half of adults in this country are or have been . also more than have been. also more than 2 million people in england over 75 live alone . and when you look 75 live alone. and when you look into some of this as a new study out suggesting that sometimes times these people can go a

month without talking to a family member or a friend . and i family member or a friend. and i have to say, it makes me really sad. we've seen a lot of focus on this, haven't we? i think it was 2018. there was a strategy put in place to try and combat loneliness. one of the key aspects of that was about removing the stigma from being lonely because it's not the done thing to admit sometimes, is it, that feel that way? david that you do feel that way? david says, i am lonely. my family neglects me. they live six miles away me and i won't see my away from me and i won't see my family over christmas . away from me and i won't see my family over christmas. i'm 76. see that makes me honestly, it makes me really sad , mark says. makes me really sad, mark says. six years ago, my wife babs, died of cancer , and i understand died of cancer, and i understand bereavement. you went into bereavement. you went into bereavement. then covid hits . it bereavement. then covid hits. it trapped me at home, he says . and trapped me at home, he says. and i just never took that step of re—entering society. he says if he confesses, he's lonely , he he confesses, he's lonely, he will confess. he drinks too much and he perhaps spends far too much time on social media. he says , i am lonely, katie . katie

says, i am lonely, katie. katie says, i am lonely, katie. katie says i have lived alone for a very long time. however, i've got pets and i'm happy. and she says their company, the company of my pets, is far better than of my pets, is far better than of any human i know. of my pets, is far better than of any human i know . what do you of any human i know. what do you think to this topic ? it's think to this topic? it's desperately sad. >> and some of the things you've read out are really give me goosebumps too. but i think it's interesting. we always used to look to japan as a country that looked after the older generation more than others. and it seems even the trend is it seems even there the trend is away from that there's away from from that there's almost no society now that demonstrates the good in this on on block mean we all know plenty of families that take care of their the older generation who took such good care of us when we were younger. i think we should all think about it. i think some of the national initiatives we've had so people to visit older people around them have been deeply welcome . them have been deeply welcome. but i find that really quite upsetting. actually >> i think it is quite upsetting i >> -- >> and as you know, if you're familiar with my programme, i've

got a little boy that's he's just turned actually. he just turned three actually. he goes to nursery and i was thinking about it was thinking about it when i was thinking about it when i was thinking topic and thinking about this topic and i would to see a bit more would like to see a bit more intergenerational stuff. so i would love my child's class to go like a elderly go into, say, like a elderly person's home and just to spend a couple of hours with the residents. i think my son would get a lot from that, as would his classmates. and i think the residents would get a lot from that. but i'm not sure how common those kind of initiatives are. you make this loneliness? >> think we're all on >> well, i think we're all on the same page. very sad. the same page. it's very sad. you know, traditionally it used to be the idea of living alone was purely a physical thing was was purely a physical thing that might spot an that your spouse might spot an issue a persistent cough. issue like a persistent cough. that could a of that could be a sign of something but something more nasty. but i completely the premise completely accept the premise that there's something wider, that it's not just sleep and warmth in healthy diet, but warmth in a healthy diet, but actually company part your actually company is part of your health having a long life. i health and having a long life. i think there pilots of the think there were pilots of the scheme that you described where children into care homes children went into to care homes . i'd it was the type of . i'd imagine it was the type of thing probably got paused thing that probably got paused dunng thing that probably got paused during i'm probably thing that probably got paused

durirestarted, i'm probably thing that probably got paused durirestarted, but i'm probably thing that probably got paused durirestarted, but butn probably thing that probably got paused duri restarted, but but forrobably not restarted, but but for exactly the reason that if you're a child, you know, then you're a child, you know, then you're hearing about what britain like 60 80 years britain was like 60 or 80 years ago, hearing perhaps about the war . and then, as you war firsthand. and then, as you said, for older residents, said, for the older residents, it's energy, excitement and all the innocence and positivity that children bring. and the key thing is we all want children to spend more time with their grandparents. but that's i think that's harder harder. people that's harder and harder. people move around the country, people move around the country, people move world. you know, move around the world. you know, we've friends family we've all got friends and family that have gone to live in other countries. necessarily countries. we don't necessarily have grandson have granny, granny and grandson living up the road. living five minutes up the road. perhaps we used in the perhaps as we used to in the 20th sharon says, i'm 20th century. sharon says, i'm a cleaner and i spend time with the elderly. >> since lockdown. sorry, she says. lockdown, i've seen says. since lockdown, i've seen a in my clients. they a decline in my clients. they have confidence they have lost confidence and they are lonely due to things are very lonely due to things like the clubs and the events not coming back after covid. and i think that is a really interesting point because getting out your house, it is getting out of your house, it is such a key thing to do, even if it's to , just i don't know, get it's to, just i don't know, get dressed and just change your

scenery. it is key . scenery. it is key. >> and it's so easy not to write , so it's easy and habit forming to stay home. and to just stay at home. and whether it be a walking group or a choir a book club or, you a choir or a book club or, you know, just regularly having a cup of tea with somebody that act of going somewhere else and being out of the house can be so useful. give a structure to your day, make sure that you get up rather than rather than not get up. people see if you're not having proper meal and so having a proper meal and so forth. terrible for forth. lockdown was terrible for this. lockdown was terrible. we we've on we've concentrated rightly on how it's been for children's how bad it's been for children's education because effectively you can't remotely over you can't learn remotely over years. and it's really retarded . years. and it's really retarded. a set of children's a whole set of children's educational opportunities. but lockdown terrible for lockdown was also terrible for our oldest generation. the people who us through people who brought us through the people who the war, the people who struggled the most struggled and did the most for our society of anyone still with us. and it was it was terrible for them. it remains bad for them. and it remains bad because, as i say, it can become habit forming to do nothing . oh, yeah. >> i've got to say as well, i think there is a generational

thing to this. i love being on my own and i accept there is a difference between being alone by choice and being alone, because literally you're alone. so i'm not trying conflate so i'm not trying to conflate the two things, but like when i say mum, for example , like say to my mum, for example, like mum, you could go for dinner on your own . and my mum would say, your own. and my mum would say, i beg your pardon? i said, you could go to a restaurant and have dinner on your own. my mum would find that the height of like she would find that embarrassing would never embarrassing. she would never she would worry that are she would worry that what are people thinking about her? are people thinking about her? are people looking at my mum and thinking, oh, that has got thinking, oh, that woman has got no and what a loser no mates and what a loser sitting on her own. and i try and explain to her. mum, and explain to her. but mum, other got better other people have got better things than at you. things to do than look at you. people getting on with their people are getting on with their own but don't know if own lives, but i don't know if it like a different it is like a different generational thing because i would think nothing about going to my own to the pictures on my own restaurant, on my own. i've been travelling my i love it. travelling on my own. i love it. >> some of these things are generational. these generational. some of these things confidence. things relate to confidence. so, you back what we

you know, going back to what we talked earlier, you know, talked about earlier, you know, i volunteering some i got into volunteering some charities person in charities as a single person in my whereas if my if i'd my 20s, whereas if my if i'd been married 30, then i might been married by 30, then i might not done think not have done so. i think confidence is a point as well, because you can it's easy to sign activities when sign up for activities when you're 30, 40. but you're you're 20, 30, 40. but if you're an older person maybe suffering poor health, using a stick, poor financial position, you might not confidence as well. not have the confidence as well. so think that's why having so i think that's why having schemes structure to schemes a bit more structure to get of the house can get people out of the house can really help. >> says. really help. >> this;ays. really help. >> this is's. really help. >> this is why we have to stop the of apps only and scanner the rot of apps only and scanner only tills. this is sometimes the only conversation that people have the checkout. the only conversation that peoplactually the checkout. the only conversation that peopl actually there :heckout. the only conversation that peopl actually there :hethisrt. well, actually there is this supermarket now. i think it's a northern supermarket and they are now going back. they're moving away from self—checkout tills and they're bringing back , tills and they're bringing back, you know, the checkout girl tills because they say that you get a different level of customer service and that interaction and that's what they want to revert to . want to revert to. >> you get >> it's undeniable. you get a different level of customer service rather than using self—service checkout where there customer there is no customer service apart pressing buttons

apart from pressing some buttons . i in supermarket in devon . i was in supermarket in devon this month and an old boy said, do you want to go first to me? and i was nowhere near that. it was just it was frankly my own evaluation. it was an excuse to try and have a conversation with somebody. and realised after somebody. and i realised after i'd said no and i had had a chat, how was your day? i realised i might have been the only person he spoke to that day and going the supermarket in and going to the supermarket in and going to the supermarket in and is good thing. and of itself is a good thing. but sometimes worth bearing in mind. take out your headphones, don't all the don't be on your phone all the time. a look around you and time. have a look around you and see who's there. >> and think are losing >> and i think we are losing that of community because that sense of community because i all used know i think you all used to know your neighbours. if you'd not seen your neighbour wandering around, you'd probably, you know, to that. know, you'd clock on to that. whereas now so people in whereas now so many people in places transient, a lot places are so transient, a lot of keep themselves of people keep themselves to themselves. you don't notice that much , i don't think that much, i don't think anymore. >> it's great what >> i think it's great what booths done, you know, i've booths have done, you know, i've lived in cumbria and shopped in booths. supermarkets booths. other supermarkets are available good lad, peter. >> well done getting that in there. >> using the self checkouts. i

find it absolutely infuriating . find it absolutely infuriating. they seem to go wrong so often. i won't name and shame the supermarkets i've had battles with, but in terms of your wider point, yeah, i mean the social fabnc point, yeah, i mean the social fabric get undermined bit fabric does get undermined a bit and goes back to and i think goes back to technology. we can teach with technology. we can teach with technology perhaps as a good friend, master , friend, but a poor master, because you think about going because if you think about going to post office or a post to your post office or a post office closed, you know, office got closed, you know, print off your sticker online, you a gp's you tend to make a gp's appointment. and again , if appointment. and again, if you're a single older person with problems, with health problems, you're doing but you doing that a bit more, but you make gp's appointment make your gp's appointment through website , but you go through the website, but you go and computer screen and talk to a computer screen when you're in a supermarket trying something. trying to buy something. and then if you're trying to navigate of that maybe with navigate all of that maybe with poor or you're not kind poor eyesight or you're not kind of speed digitally, it's of up to speed digitally, it's but it's, you know, railing about doing is about it as i'm doing is probably not enough. it's really hard. chart a way hard. i agree with chart a way out it. out of it. >> i agree with everything you said. and it's worth saying said. and it's just worth saying one about one thing positive about something it in something everyone's got it in for. media provided a for. social media has provided a new people to make new outlet for people to make connections and indeed have

arguments, which is a form of exchange and of itself for exchange in and of itself for a generation that otherwise didn't have an outlet for their their views or opinions. sometimes their children want their children didn't want to listen didn't want to listen to them, didn't want to hear about their their attitudes were. but they've said to you on social and there's plenty were. but they've said to you on sopeople and there's plenty were. but they've said to you on sopeople watchingiere's plenty were. but they've said to you on sopeople watching todayplenty were. but they've said to you on sopeople watching today who y were. but they've said to you on sopeople watching today who are were. but they've said to you on sotheirle watching today who are were. but they've said to you on sotheir 70satching today who are were. but they've said to you on sotheir 70s or hing today who are were. but they've said to you on sotheir 70s or 80s today who are were. but they've said to you on sotheir 70s or 80s todaloveo are in their 70s or 80s who love having good old ding dong and having a good old ding dong and having a good old ding dong and having on social media and having a row on social media and they up by and they feel fired up by and enthused by it. and that is actually not not a bad thing. >> and i guess i want the >> yeah. and i guess i want the overwhelming message from this segment such segment if there can be such a thing, is there's no shame. >> actually, i don't think in admitting are feeling admitting that you are feeling lonely or feeling down, there's no shame in picking the no shame in picking up the telephone. it's not an imposition pick up the imposition on to pick up the phone hey, just phone and say, hey, i'm just calling you see how your day calling you to see how your day is know some people is because i know some people feel. don't want to interrupt feel. i don't want to interrupt you. says, hate to you. arlene says, i hate to think of anyone being alone at christmas. completely agree christmas. i completely agree with you on dennis. i like with you on that, dennis. i like this, says. i was invited to this, he says. i was invited to the school to give the local primary school to give a the olden days, and a talk about the olden days, and the kids absolutely loved it.

paul i don't understand paul says, i don't understand what talking what you're all talking about. the of seeing the concept of not seeing or speaking my relatives speaking to one of my relatives for month would be absolutely for a month would be absolutely fantastic, think of fantastic, and i can't think of anything cor blimey, anything better. cor blimey, peter. thank you very much peter. alex, thank you very much for. thank guys. have a good for. thank you guys. have a good weekend. and squeeze in some weekend. try and squeeze in some interaction with another. i'll see you monday night. night see you on monday night. night >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here the metalfest the here from the metalfest with the gb forecast . today's gb news forecast. today's showers ease in most places showers will ease in most places overnight with skies clearing. it's going to be a chilly night with a frost in places by dawn . with a frost in places by dawn. i've got low pressure moving away. that brought some lively weather parts in weather to southern parts in particularly on we've particularly on friday. we've still got some weather fronts affecting northern scotland to bnng affecting northern scotland to bring showery rain in during the evening. 1 or 2 showers also for northern ireland. north west england, wales and the england, parts of wales and the south—west. most of these south—west. but most of these showers tend to ease overnight. just a few sprinkling into parts of the midlands and east anglia and away from the showers. temperatures will fall 1 to 4 celsius generally as we begin the weekend. but in some sheltered spots, a touch below

freezing. a chilly start, a frost in places, some fog patches as well, but actually plenty of fine and bright weather. and once any fog clears, once the frost also tends to lift, we're going to see a lot more fine weather into the afternoon and blue skies for many. just 1 or 2 showers in the far north of scotland and some high cloud drifting into the south—west. temperatures of 9 to 11 celsius. so a crisp , bright 11 celsius. so a crisp, bright autumn day. a similar start on sunday. a colder start, i think, for scotland. eastern england. some dense fog in places as well. that will stick around until about lunchtime for parts of yorkshire, for example . of yorkshire, for example. elsewhere, we've got increasingly cloudy and rainy weather moving in from the southwest and that's here to stay for the start of next week

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