and welcome to gb news >> hello and welcome to gb news saturday. i'm dawn neesom and for the next three hours i'll be keeping you company on tv, onune keeping you company on tv, online and digital radio. online and on digital radio. i'll bring you up to date on the stories that really matter to you. and up this hour. you. and coming up this hour. obviously today is the 104th anniversary of the armistice that ended fighting with germany in the first world war. we'll be going across the country to see how you've been reflecting on this very special day. but in london, despite pushback from the prime minister, demonstrations will be going aheadin demonstrations will be going ahead in the capital today over the war in gaza. sunak has called the protest disrespectful , but the met chief says it doesn't meet the threshold for it to be banned. we'll be there live all afternoon . and the live all afternoon. and the protest isn't the only thorn in sunak side. suella braverman us has been causing chaos in the cabinet after she ignored downing street's advice and published a very damning article accusing the met of political

bias. the pm is under pressure to sack her with rumours of a reshuffle. strang telling whitehall what will sunak do next and please do get in touch. send me your thoughts on this very special day on gbviews@gbnews.com or message me very simple. on our socials, we're at gb news. but first, here's the news with tamsin roberts . roberts. >> dawn, thanks very much and good afternoon from the gb newsroom it's 12:01. a silence has been observed to honour those who've served in conflicts around the . around the. world on the 11th hour of the 11th day

of the 11th month, marking the end of world war i, the uk paused for armistice day. remember the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice .7 police who've sacrifice? police who've increased their presence across the capital, established a ring of protection around the cenotaph in central london to prevent disorder. during the commemoration . despite their commemoration. despite their efforts. so scuffles broke out between police and a large group of people trying to gain access to the site. the met police says while the silence was is marked respectfully without incident, officers faced aggression from protesters in significant numbers. the force says they weren't part of one cohesive group, adding they're now moving towards other parts of central london, and officers are keeping track of them . well, that's as track of them. well, that's as a major rally gets underway with hundreds of thousands of pro—palestine protesters staging their biggest rally to date, they're planning to march from

hyde park towards the us embassy, almost 2000 officers are being deployed across the weekend to prevent any violent behaviour , while meanwhile , behaviour, while meanwhile, saudi arabia has called for an end to the siege in gaza as well as the release of the hostages. that's an extraordinary joint islamic arab summit leaders have gathered to address the war in the middle east as the humanitarian situation on the gaza strip continues to deteriorate. the health ministry which is run by hamas, says the operations have been suspended at the al—shifa hospital after it ran out of fuel. israel has reopened an evacuation corridor allowing civilians to travel from the north to the south of the territory. it also hopes a tactical pause in military operations will encourage more people to evacuate the area around the jabalia camp . in around the jabalia camp. in other news, a mother who was found dead by her two children in manchester has been named by

police. persevere nick gibb was found with a single stab injury in little hulton near salford in the early hours of yesterday morning . the 35 year old was morning. the 35 year old was taken to hospital where she later died. police say a 45 year old man who fled the scene has been arrested on suspicion of murder and remains in custody . murder and remains in custody. the funeral of 15 year old elian arade dam is taking place in south london. family and friends have gathered in croydon to pay their respects. the teenager was stabbed in the town as she was on her way to school on the 27th of september. a 17 year old boy is charged with murder and is due to appear in court on the 19th of december. counter—terror police are investigating a deep fake video of the london mayor where he appears to suggest pro palestinian marchers should take priority over armistice day , priority over armistice day, armistice day on saturday. >> but why should londoners cancelled the palestinian march on saturday? why don't they have

a remembrance weekend next weekend ? weekend? >> the video has been circulated and amplified on social media by far right groups . it's feared far right groups. it's feared the clip could further inflame tensions in the capital as a pro—palestinian march coincides with remembrance events . this with remembrance events. this this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on digital tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to dawn . back to dawn. >> thank you very much, tamsin. now let's get straight into today's topics . despite pushback today's topics. despite pushback from the prime minister demonstrate sessions are going aheadin demonstrate sessions are going ahead in the capital today over the war in gaza . sunak has the war in gaza. sunak has called the protest disrespectful, but the met chief says it doesn't meet the threshold for it to be banned in the last few moments, the metropolitan police have issued a statement regarding clashes

not with the pro—palestinian protests , but counter—protesters protests, but counter—protesters . while the two minute's silence was marked respectfully and without incident on whitehall, officers have faced aggression from counter—protesters , oysters from counter—protesters, oysters who are in the area in significant numbers. the counter—protesters are not one cohesive group. they are different groups moving away from whitehall towards other parts of the central london. now officers are keeping track of them as they do if their intention is to confront the main protest departing later today from park lane , we will today from park lane, we will use all the powers and tactics available to us to prevent that from happening. now joining me now is gb news homeland security editor mark white, who is live in london for us today. editor mark white, who is live in london for us today . good in london for us today. good afternoon, mark. what can you tell us? can you bring us up to date with what's happening where you are right now ? you are right now? >> yeah, we've just moved now into hyde park, where many protesters are arriving here for

the start of that march. thousands here already and there still continuing to stream out of marble arch tube station comes from other areas as well. i'll step to the side and we can give you just a proper look at the numbers that are assembling here. so the march is due to get off around about 12:00. clearly that's not going to happen. these things always drift, to be honest, because is it just i think the logistics in getting this many people to one location on time is never that straightforward. so it just takes quite a while for people to get in place and it'll get under way , i reckon probably under way, i reckon probably 1245, 1:00 or so. and they'll be marching down the route that the protester are going to take it is from here heading down park lane towards hyde park corner and at hyde park corner. they'll

then head down towards the victoria area. they'll go across the vauxhall bridge and down to the vauxhall bridge and down to the us embassy . now the vauxhall bridge and down to the us embassy. now in the vauxhall bridge and down to the us embassy . now in terms of the us embassy. now in terms of the us embassy. now in terms of the protests itself, they are allowed to assemble at the us embassy , but they need to be embassy, but they need to be away from the us embassy by 515, according to the metropolitan police. now that is always a potential flashpoint in terms of the end of a protest when there is a dispersal time that people are given to go there. sometimes those who just don't want to leave . and even though i can say leave. and even though i can say with confidence , the vast, vast with confidence, the vast, vast majority of people here are not going to cause trouble , there going to cause trouble, there will be those, sadly , a hard will be those, sadly, a hard core that will look for trouble . core that will look for trouble. and it really only needs a hundred couple of people to cause potential problems for the metropolitan police. as you can hean metropolitan police. as you can hear, the metro politan police

helicopter over overhead, one of a couple of helicopters from the police who will be watching events today, keeping an eye on the situation and making sure that there are no breakaway groups . we know, for instance, groups. we know, for instance, that that there was some disruption, not too significant, according to police that i've spoken to. but a bit of a flare up with that counter protest down in whitehall towards the cenotaph. it was quite short lived and those individuals have now, we're told, dispersed . they now, we're told, dispersed. they concern is, though, that if any of that group decide to try to make their way to the protest here, then there's always the potential for a flare up for trouble to spark. so the metropol police say they will absolutely use all within their powers to ensure that no breakaway group gets anywhere near this particular march and also dawn, they will make sure that this march that there are

not individuals from this march , not individuals from this march, march that head off towards the other counter—protesters . other counter—protesters. >> mark, mark, looking at the crowd coming past you there, they seem very calm and there seems to be quite a few families, women and children amongst them. mean, would you say the mood at the moment is peaceful and just wanting to make a point about the peace they are marching for? >> you're right. are you saying the truth ? don't push me. don't the truth? don't push me. don't push me. yeah. yeah yeah, obviously. >> okay . tell us why you wanted >> okay. tell us why you wanted to come here today . yeah. to come here today. yeah. >> why did come here? to >> why did you come here? to support the people. the human race, which is suffering in gaza, you know? and this is palestine, you know? yeah >> and i mean, obviously the images that are coming out every day are very disturbing, very concerning. i'm where have you come from? which part? from london or further afield. >> i'm from london and i grew up in london. >> and i yeah, i come from southwest. okay. it was easy to

get here. yeah, like i'm so blessed to come see all these people because this shows that human like we are a human being at the end, you know, and we need to stand with each other and wish the truth. and i say this i wish the truth. you to like right you take it to like to the right place because the media doesn't show you show the truth. you know, you guys show us negative like guys just show us negative like negativity and like, this is enoughis negativity and like, this is enough is enough . enough is enough. >> know, were live on >> you know, you were live on air, you're true. air, so you said you're true. >> very much. i'm free >> thank you very much. i'm free palestine. palestine will be. palestine. so palestine will be. >> well, of course . and of >> well, of course. and of course, that is a very inflammatory statement there from the river to the sea. i mean, you know , in seeing that, mean, you know, in seeing that, it's quite clear what of course, he means a lot of the people that might chart that today don't actually know that. it means the end of the israeli state. but i think he's quite clear and quite aware of that . clear and quite aware of that. anyway, he said he's he said his point when people like that come up , it's usually better up to you, it's usually better just shove the microphone just to shove the microphone under let them say their under them. let them say their piece as long as they don't swear and moves on swear. and then he moves on quite happy. we try and push

them away. that's where we get trouble. so i'm an old hand at this . i'm not trouble. so i'm an old hand at this. i'm not saying i'm not going get my head smacked at going to get my head smacked at some point during day, some point during the day, but hopefully not too often during the course of the next few hours don. mark thank you very much for that. >> and indeed , we are the >> and indeed, we are the channel for free speech. so all voices do have a platform. that's mark white reporting live from london on the on the march, the pro—palestinian march right now, joining me is political commentator matthew stadlen and the deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib , to talk about what we ben habib, to talk about what we are witnessing and indeed what we have witnessed earlier on at the cenotaph . i'm going to come the cenotaph. i'm going to come to you first, matthew . you know, to you first, matthew. you know, this is the largest police presence we have seen for this commemoration ever. what do you make of the fact that thankfully the cenotaph was peaceful and very well respected , apart from very well respected, apart from a few idiots, but it's what do you make of the fact that this

march has been allowed to go ahead this weekend ? ahead this weekend? >> i've been very clear about this. all the way through. i think the march should have been allowed ahead . people like allowed to go ahead. people like my fought for the my grandfather fought for the freedom of people to disagree with each other . that said , i've with each other. that said, i've also been totally clear that if there's any hint of anti—semitism or any any calls for violent jihad, then the police need to be incredibly tough on that. now, you are jewish heritage. yeah. so my grandparents were jewish refugees and my dad's side. and on my mum's side , my grandfather on my mum's side, my grandfather fought in the second world war and won the military cross. i have say, as someone who have to say, as someone who honours armistice day and remembrance sunday, which is tomorrow, and in a way that's the biggest day for this country, because that's when we do commemorate around the cenotaph . i was disgusted to cenotaph. i was disgusted to read reports coming in here today that far. right. activists were trying to reach the cenotaph, which is close to a sacred monument .

sacred monument. >> the irony, they say the irony trying to protect it. >> and they were sort of saying that things like they want their country back fighting with country back while fighting with our . and that's our police force. and that's that me. it also sickens that sickens me. it also sickens me hear that that phrase from me to hear that that phrase from the to the sea . the river to the sea. >> i'm going ask you about >> i'm going to ask you about that. mean, that. actually, i mean, obviously, mark dealt with that very but that man very well. but but that man instantly said, from the river to sea , palestine shall be free. >> and what does that mean in reality? how does that make you feel? mark feel? i agree with mark that i think of people on that think a lot of people on that march chant may be think a lot of people on that march throughant may be think a lot of people on that march through their may be think a lot of people on that march through their own ay be aware through their own ignorance of what the implication but to my mind implication is, but to my mind and the minds of a of and to the minds of a lot of jewish people and to many israelis, that means effectively the eradication of the israeli state. i have talked to a muslim friend who says that's not what it means. it just means the freedom live freedom for palestinians to live in peace. so i don't think that everyone chants it with with the same intent. but but you've been living in this society now, these people, whoever they are , these people, whoever they are, most of their lives, all of their lives , they've seen, their lives, they've seen, presumably the media coverage.

they know what many jews take that to mean. >> so why can't it ? >> so why can't it? >> so why can't it? >> right. these are a live shots of central london coming in yet we can see there, ben . i mean, we can see there, ben. i mean, thankfully, the cenotaph service went ahead very peacefully and very i found incredibly moving, as i do every year. i must admit. and we were just talking about how peaceful the pro—palestine march had started off. and then mark was interrupted by that chap with that phrase, which as matthew has said, is seen as anti—semitic by many people and offensive. what do you make of the fact that this march is even going ahead today ? going ahead today? >> well, i mean, i mean, i agree with matt completely. obviously that, you know , our forefathers that, you know, our forefathers fought and died for the freedoms which we now enjoy and the right to protest is a fundamental right within the united kingdom. and long may that last. but i do

think that some of the rhetoric coming out of these marches, a lot of the rhetoric coming out of these marches is as suella braverman , braverman described, inflammatory race based, frankly, against against the jews and quite threatening. and i mean, what's quite telling for me, without wishing to condemn the marches ahead of them, having taken place, is that you don't see any posters calling for the elimination of hamas. and if you really care for the palestinian people right, delhi, hamas are part of the problem . hamas are part of the problem. hamas are part of the problem. hamas has been in charge of gaza since 2006. they've delivered no prosperity. >> it's interesting, you mentioned that, ben, because i mean, i think the march last week there was one chap who did turn up with a free palestine from hamas poster and he was punched out. yeah. so what does that say to you? >> so, i mean, i think there are broadly two themes that are prevailing , you know, purveyed prevailing, you know, purveyed these marches. the first theme is the river to the sea, which

is the river to the sea, which is a grievance that goes back to 1948. and the subsequent wars that took place. and gave and through which israel got more pals , estonian land and that pals, estonian land and that grievance is if that grievance is followed through to its natural if you can seed that grievance to these people, then the only solution is to give them back the land that they claim they've had taken away from them, which effectively is the obliteration of israel . you the obliteration of israel. you have israel to give have to erase israel to give effect to that central theme that they wish to deliver and that they wish to deliver and that i find offensive. you've got millions of israelis living wishfully wish for peace in a hostile environment. and i find that sentiment that pervades the march wrong . and then the other march wrong. and then the other sentiment that pervades the march that that, you know, israel should ceasefire. now now the word ceasefire means both sides need to stop fighting and

of course, what they mean is israel needs to stop fighting. but if israel were to stop fighting, hamas would continue to bomb hamas. and that's the problem . the two pervading problem. the two pervading themes of these marches are fundamentally wrong in my mind. >> so they shouldn't have gone ahead. >> i think i'd have common decency respect the decency and respect for the poignant our poignant nature of our commemoration today. they shouldn't . shouldn't have gone. >> that's an >> that's a that's an interesting and i agree interesting point. and i agree with what ben with quite a lot of what ben said that's said, actually. but that's a very interesting there very interesting point. there is a difference between saying that the the the police or even the government should have tried to stop march and saying that stop this march and saying that the themselves should the marchers themselves should have taken upon themselves, have taken it upon themselves, not to march. there's a fundamental difference there. >> and i wish that , you >> and i and i wish that, you know, they'd had that sentiment that we could all pull together for this day. >> problem is is quite for this day. >.divisive'oblem is is quite for this day. >.divisive moment is quite for this day. >.divisive moment our quite for this day. >.divisive moment our society a divisive moment in our society . we have algorithms in courage, disagreement and division on social media and elsewhere. and is israel—palestine. what is happening there is playing straight into those algorithms,

straight into those algorithms, straight into those culture wars. and it is being whipped up on all sides . and again, i'm on all sides. and again, i'm very clear about this . i think a very clear about this. i think a lot people on those marches lot of people on those marches are peaceful and go with good intent behind mark today on there were many and a good a good friend of mine who's jewish went on the march last weekend , went on the march last weekend, didn't see anything that didn't see anything hateful that said agree ben. wouldn't said, i agree with ben. wouldn't it see some banners it be nice to see some banners calling for the release of israeli , some of them israeli hostages, some of them children? wouldn't it be nice? wouldn't it be nice to see some of banners saying the of those banners saying free the gazans from hamas? forget gazans from hamas? don't forget hamas were democratically elected in the mid 2000 and then they went off and murdered their opposition. these people are , in opposition. these people are, in my view, a death cult and what they did on october the 7th was were acts of medieval savagery, the like of which i'm not sure i've ever heard during my lifetime. but we as a society have a responsibility . i thought have a responsibility. i thought the mirror's front page was superb yesterday. david davis, who once ran for the leadership of the tory party , tweeted it of the tory party, tweeted it

and don't normally tweet and said, i don't normally tweet praise for the mirror , but it praise for the mirror, but it was and it was calling for freedom, but also for respect. and it was it was saying i think effectively that we have a responsibility, politicians particularly not to whip up this stuff. and on the one side, when we're talking about extremes we're talking about the extremes , have islamofascists. , we have islamofascists. okay, who are who are who are anti—semitic and bent on all sorts of terrible things , sorts of terrible things, destruction on other destruction on the other side, we sort of the far right we have sort of the far right loons who want to come into our capital city and say we want our country back. right the country back. right at the moment , as i country back. right at the moment, as i say, almost a sacred moment where we are respecting those who laid down their lives. and in some cases risked their lives and survived , risked their lives and survived, some of are still alive some of whom are still alive today so people have today, so that people could have freedom . freedom. >> and that's the point, isn't it? mean , it's armistice. we it? i mean, it's armistice. we celebrate peace. and that is what today should be about. and we also we also celebrate the fact that we have the right to protest it. and the organisers have said this is going to be very peaceful and we have the

right in a democratic society to have these debates as you wouldn't be able to do this in palestine. >> no, you wouldn't enlarge swathes of the world. you would not be allowed to do this. >> that's the thing. so we should be grateful for that. thank much now, thank you very much for now, gentlemen. you. now we gentlemen. thank you. now we move metropolitan move on. the metropolitan police made a ring of steel to protect the cenotaph from pro—palestine protesters. police have been given extra powers to keep the planned march very well away from the national monument . from the national monument. joining me now to discuss this is gb news political correspondent olivia utley olivia good afternoon. thank you very much for joining olivia good afternoon. thank you very much forjoining us. now you are in whitehall by the cenotaph . i understand . cenotaph. i understand. >> hello. yes, i'm in whitehall by the cenotaph. i've been here for the last couple of hours, the 11:00 armistice day service . the 11:00 armistice day service. this took place without incident. there was a very respectful two minute silence. we could hearjust in the very we could hear just in the very distance as that fight that we know broke out between police

and far right protesters who were pushing through, trying to get into whitehall. we don't know what they were trying to do in whitehall, but they were they were, by were, on the whole stopped by police . as you say, police police. as you say, the police have have created a ring of steel, call it, around steel, as they call it, around the cenotaph. and same the cenotaph. and the same around winston churchill's statue on parliament square. the hopeis statue on parliament square. the hope is that the pro—palestine march, which has taken off now without incident at park lane, will not go through the cenotaph. anyone who's found on that pro—palestine march to be breaching the terms of the marches it's being given a very specific route. anyone found to be on the whitehall near the cenotaph could be fined up to £2,500 and could be arrested as well. so for the time being , sir well. so for the time being, sir mark rowley, the chief of the met, who said that these two incidents would not meet, and he was confident that the police would be able manage the two would be able to manage the two events successfully . he seems to events successfully. he seems to have been proved right, but of course the day is yet young.

it's only 12:00 now and of course we expect the march to heat up the pro—palestine march as it has over the past few weeks. it's normally only when darkness falls, that sort of 4 or 5 that we that we hear some of those more more violent chants. for now, though, everything is looking fine. everything is being going ahead as respectful in a dignified manner as possible . manner as possible. >> and olivia, watching on tv at the 11:00, two minute silence, it was i find it incredibly moving every year. but for some reason this year, with everything going on in the world, i found it very emotive indeed. what was the mood there amongst the people there? i mean, was there an air of, i don't know , worry that things don't know, worry that things would be getting dangerous later on and people the mood it felt it felt peaceful. >> it felt dignified. it was very , very full. i been covering very, very full. i been covering these armistice day marches . these armistice day marches. i've done a couple before. and i haven't seen such crowds on the

streets as i saw today . they we streets as i saw today. they we could as i say here, a little bit of noise right down at the other end of whitehall where those far right protesters managed breach the managed to breach the metropolitan police lines . and metropolitan police lines. and of course, there was there was a little bit of interest and ears pncked little bit of interest and ears pricked up around where i was, people to see what was people trying to see what was going on. but on the whole , no, going on. but on the whole, no, i that there was i wouldn't say that there was a sort air of worry . not sort of air of air of worry. not yet anyway. of course , the yet anyway. of course, the event, the 11:00 event took place long before the palestinian march even set off. so everything was dignified. everything was respectful and quiet . this everything was respectful and quiet. this morning, olivia so you're saying the people we're seeing pictures of them now who were trying to get to the cenotaph, to the counter—protest at, as it were, they were actually doing that during the two minute silence as it was , it two minute silence as it was, it was just before the two minute silence. so it was at about 10:45, i think that's right, that we started hearing those protesters counterprotest eaters trying to get through onto

whitehall when it actually reached 11:00. and there was the two minute silence from where i was standing exactly here, right by the cenotaph. you couldn't hear a pin drop. it was only before silence that it sort before that silence that it sort of brawl, as it sounds , is broke of brawl, as it sounds, is broke out. i couldn't actually see what was going on because i was further down whitehall here by the cenotaph . but but that's the the cenotaph. but but that's the way it played out . way it played out. >> okay. and olivia, just you mentioned there , mentioned it just briefly there, the applause. i don't remember heanng the applause. i don't remember hearing applause like that at the cenotaph . i might be wrong, the cenotaph. i might be wrong, but that felt incredibly but that that felt incredibly emotional. i mean, that was a spontaneous round of applause. what was that like ? that was what was that like? that was that was really moving, really emotional. >> there was a there was a round of applause before the two minute silence. another one after the two minute silence. and as the as the and then as the as the celebrants from the service moved away, the police lined up in front of the cenotaph . i in front of the cenotaph. i think i'm not quite sure why. i think i'm not quite sure why. i think it might have been a photo, but again, there was a spontaneous round of applause

from the public gathered there for the police who managed for the police who who managed to this event without any to police this event without any without any issues . without any issues. >> that's lovely, olivia. thank you very much for that report from whitehall by the cenotaph today. and that's olivia utley, our gb news political correspondent. there you are watching and listening to gb news saturday with me dawn neesom. lots more coming up on today's show. but first, let's take a look at what that weather's doing, shall we, with jonathan? >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey your gb news vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided the weather forecast provided by the met you've met office. hope you've been enjoying the fine conditions pretty all of us have seen pretty much all of us have seen today. it is going to be turning more as more unsettled, though, as we head this evening and head throughout this evening and overnight. heavy overnight. a band of heavy rain sweeping from the sweeping its way in from the southwest, england southwest, pushing into england and southern areas of wales will turn windy around coastal turn quite windy around coastal areas also bringing areas here. this also bringing some milder conditions. so temperatures hotting up a touch more but where we more overnight. but where we hold the skies, hold on to the clear skies, further the further towards the east and the north, night to north, a very chilly night to come. some frost certainly for eastern north eastern parts of scotland and parts northeast scotland and parts of northeast england . fog also

england as well. fog also lingering places lingering in these places throughout sunday morning could be slow to clear, perhaps throughout sunday morning could be lingering:o clear, perhaps throughout sunday morning could be lingering intozar, perhaps throughout sunday morning could be lingering into the perhaps throughout sunday morning could be lingering into the middle even lingering into the middle of the afternoon . eventually, of the afternoon. eventually, though, that allow for some though, that will allow for some sunny intervals across parts of scotland . but the rain will scotland. but the rain will gradually way north gradually sweep its way north and the day. and eastwards during the day. actually, rain actually, a second band of rain filtering behind some filtering in behind with some further heavy pulses at times as well. quite cold well. temperatures quite cold where the fog lingers around mid single figures, but milder again in the around 13 or 14 c in the south, around 13 or 14 c here. it is going to remain unsettled as we head into the start of the new working week with another area low with another area of low pressure push way pressure looking to push its way across of uk. across areas of the uk. the exact this are still exact details of this are still a bit uncertain, so it is worth staying with the staying up to date with the forecast but is forecast. but there is the potential many to see potential for many areas to see some course of some rain over the course of monday, turning really quite windy with gales around coast of the in the far north the south. even in the far north of scotland as well. middle of scotland as well. the middle part looks part of next week looks like a mixture showers mixture of sunshine and showers and for the rest of your day, bye bye. >> thank you, jonathan wright. lots more coming up on today's show today is the 104th

anniversary of the armistice that ended fighting with germany in the first world war. we'll be going across the country to see how we've been reflecting on this very special day. all of that and much more to come. i'm dawn neesom and you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's news channel

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roberts with the headlines at 1231 a silence has been observed to honour those who've served in conflicts around the . conflicts around the. world on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, marking the end of world war i, the uk paused for armistice day. remember the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice ? police who've sacrifice? police who've increased their presence across the capital, established a ring of protection around the cenotaph in central london to prevent disorder. during the commemoration on. well, despite their efforts, scuffles broke out between police and a large group of people trying to gain access to the site . the met access to the site. the met police says while the silence was marked respectfully without incident, officers faced

aggression from protesters in significant numbers. the force says they weren't part of one cohesive group, adding they're now moving towards other parts of central london, and officers are keeping track of them . well are keeping track of them. well that's as a major demonstration gets underway with hundreds of thousands of pro—palestinian protesters staging their biggest rally to date. they're marching from hyde park towards the us embassy, almost 2000 officers are being deployed across the weekend to prevent any violent behaviour . weekend to prevent any violent behaviour. well, those are the headunes behaviour. well, those are the headlines and you can, of course, get more on all of those stories. just visit our website at gbnews.com. now though, it's back to dawn . back to dawn. >> welcome back to gb news. saturday with me dawn neesom on your tv online and on digital radio. today is the 105th anniversary of the armistice

that ended fighting with germany in the first world war. communities across the country have been observing the two minute silence and remembering those who gave the ultimate sacrifice . joining me now is our sacrifice. joining me now is our north—west of england, reporter sophie reaper and our west midlands reporterjack sophie reaper and our west midlands reporter jack carson sophy. midlands reporter jack carson sophy . let's start with you. how sophy. let's start with you. how have the community in rochdale been remembering the war dead this morning? >> well, despite incidents earlier in the week, things went off here in rochdale earlier on without a hitch. ultimately, the sun was shining down as around 200 people gathered around the cenotaph here in rochdale to observe the two minute silence. and there was absolutely no issue . it was peaceful. it was issue. it was peaceful. it was calm. it was moving. there was representatives from the mayor's office, from the various emergency services as well as people from who own local businesses in rochdale. they

gathered in a line with their poppy gathered in a line with their poppy wreaths and after the two minutes of silence, they went up one by one and placed it here on the cenotaph behind us. now, there was a heavy presence by greater manchester police and there were security guards also hired by rochdale borough council due to the incidents that had taken place earlier this week, including the vandalism of rochdale's war memorial . however, there was memorial. however, there was really no need for the police or the security guards because there was no issues whatsoever. we did hear a small rumours about potential trouble, but ultimately there was none. and it was a truly moving experience here in rochdale. >> sophie the vandalism , the >> sophie the vandalism, the vandalising that took place on the terms it said free palestine , didn't it? it was a spray painted on. have there been any arrests or are the police near to finding out who did that ? to finding out who did that? >> so there's been there was two

separate incidents. the incident on monday, two teenage males were arrested. they have both been charged with intentionally or recklessly causing public nuisance. and then a second incident on tuesday, two teenage males were arrested for racially aggravated criminal damage and one of them also for theft . so one of them also for theft. so greater manchester police are they've moved swiftly on this because of the heavy interest by the public, given the close proximity to remembrance weekend. sophie thank you very much. >> now let's go to jack carson, who is at the arboretum and a very, very moving service there today. jack, what was it like actually being there ? actually being there? >> it was it was really emotional at times dawn, particularly when all the ianed particularly when all the invited guests here started singing i vow to thee my country as part of the as part of the service , mainly because, of service, mainly because, of course, the location and where we the national memorial we are, the national memorial arboretum, very much all year round the point for so round is the focus point for so many veterans as former armed

service men and women who, of course, who have served this country because emblazoned and inscribed on the walls that you can see around me are over 16,000 names of people who gave that ultimate sacrifice post world war ii, of course , it's world war ii, of course, it's that poignant reminder when you come here that through conflicts and through all kinds of different things , when armed different things, when armed personnel have been out there serving our serving and representing our country , they have caught country, they have been caught and they have been killed. so that's why there are over 16,000 names to remember names here to remember them, particularly when you walk round the corner and you see that still added now from still names being added now from 2022. and of course, as the years go on, those walls will continue filled up as continue to be filled up as those give that those people give that sacrifice. of course, the service here was attended by her royal highness, the princess, royal highness, the princess, royal princess anne, who laid a wreath on behalf, of course, of his majesty, the king and the royal family. it was also , of royal family. it was also, of course, attended by politicians such as local mp here, michael fabncant such as local mp here, michael fabricant as well, and armed personnel and veterans here as

well who then, after the service, could come and lay their own wreaths, you can probably people all probably see the people all around still now coming around me here still now coming to pay their respects because of course, some name on this course, for some a name on this wall the only thing they have wall is the only thing they have left of a loved one and the only thing they can maybe remember a loved of loved one by. because, of course, if they were killed in a conflict overseas , they might conflict overseas, they might not have a physical grave to come that's really why come to. so that's really why this service here was so emotional because of because of the of course, the significance, of course, of this memorial jack, it's this memorial here, jack, it's lovely to see just behind you as a family, there were some very young going the young children going up to the wreaths pointing out names wreaths and pointing out names on on the wall behind you. on the on the wall behind you. >> it's very emotional >> it's very it's very emotional that there are so many young people who are taking in history and as you said, jack, what makes particularly moving is makes it particularly moving is they're carving names they're still carving names there on people who continue to give their lives. so that we are free to live in a democracy and have. free to live in a democracy and have . free speech. have. free speech. >> yeah, that's exactly right.

and of course, some of the names will only be, of course, there and personal to very, very, very few people and the immediate family members . few people and the immediate family members. but few people and the immediate family members . but there are family members. but there are also names on this wall that will be more recognisable to a lot names , for example, will be more recognisable to a lot lee names , for example, will be more recognisable to a lot lee nameof for example, will be more recognisable to a lot lee nameof course,mple, will be more recognisable to a lot lee nameof course, who , will be more recognisable to a lot lee nameof course, who we like lee rigby of course, who we remember every year , of course, remember every year, of course, who brought up in that who was sadly brought up in that attack. so there are names on this more poignant this wall that are more poignant to here. but of to a lot of us here. but of course, families come and course, as the families come and as mentioned, small children as you mentioned, small children as you mentioned, small children as well, arboretum all year as well, the arboretum all year round is all about educating people on remembrance. and it's important it's days like important and it's days like today you really people today that you really see people not only just from the community here where, here in litchfield, where, of course, is, course, the arboretum is, but people come here today people that have come here today from around country from all around the country to pay from all around the country to pay respects. from all around the country to paythat's'espects. from all around the country to paythat's lovely s. from all around the country to paythat's lovely . a jack carson >> that's lovely. a jack carson now the national arboretum. thank you very much. and sophie reaper rochdale bringing us reaper in rochdale bringing us up to on how today has been up to date on how today has been remembered around the uk. thank you very much. both of you. you're watching and listening to gb news saturday with me. dawn neesom. lots more coming up on today's suella braverman today's show. suella braverman has been causing chaos again in

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news is. welcome back to gb news saturday with me. >> dawn neesom on your tv, onune >> dawn neesom on your tv, online and on digital radio now rishi sunak is under pressure over his handling of the home secretary's article, accusing accusing the police of bias over protests. suella braverman's future hangs in the balance . future hangs in the balance. allies on the right of the party warn the prime minister. if you come for her, you come for all of us. whilst northern irish politicians claim she is managed to offend everyone and has to go. speaking yesterday , go. speaking yesterday, chancellor jeremy go. speaking yesterday, chancellorjeremy hunt distanced chancellor jeremy hunt distanced himself from bravermans choice of language , as well as many of language, as well as many other cabinet ministers have said . said. >> the words that she used are not words that i myself would have used , but i have have used, but i have a productive relationship with her as a colleague, and i've always given her the money that she needs to fund the police, bring down crime and to fund the immigration and asylum system . immigration and asylum system. >> i got the impression there's a lot of clenched teeth going on

there, didn't right. there, didn't you? right. joining is husband and joining me now is husband and wife pairing gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and former conservative councillor claire pearsall. thank you very much for joining me today . now suella braverman . me today. now suella braverman. she is a thorn in rishi sunak side, isn't she? nigel what do you make of the article in the times where she described the pro—palestinian marches as as a hate march and the fact that the police are now showing bias to those marches as opposed to the way they police some other marches. what do you make of what she's come out with this week ? week? >> well, i mean, i just think it was . and a lot of it was outrageous. and a lot of it not true. >> the whole thing is that what suella braverman should be doing as home secretary is trying to calm things down when we've got events like today going on and what she was doing was was dredging it up. >> now, whether or not the those protesters we saw trying to get to the cenotaph earlier would

have done so without . we can't have done so without. we can't know. but it doesn't help . so know. but it doesn't help. so what you should have done is really be supportive , putting really be supportive, putting the police in a very difficult job this weekend, not making making matters worse . making matters worse. >> claire, do you do we agree do you agree with your husband? i mean, what woman ever does do you agree with with nigel that that suella has been in citing more violence . and clash points more violence. and clash points with these marches ? with these marches? >> i think she's definitely sowing divisions where they're not needed. >> but the one thing that i will say in her defence is that she's absolutely right to question the police force and how they deal with protests, because as we've seen, the police don't always get it right. they do treat these protests differently. the sarah everard vigil got really out of hand for a bunch of women who were standing up for women's rights. compare that to the black lives matter movement, where officer taking where we saw an officer taking the knee in front of protesters. so right that you

so i think it's right that you do that. what i don't think is right is that you it in the right is that you do it in the form of a piece in a national newspaper. this is something that take mark that she should take to mark rowley, the police chief himself, and with the himself, directly and with the prime minister and keep it out of the public domain. and offer to support him. that's what the pubuc to support him. that's what the public really want is for the government to support police government to support the police to their job and government to support the police to theirjob and stop and to do theirjob and stop law and disorder . disorder. >> nigel, coming back to you. so i i mean, rishi doesn't i mean, i mean, rishi doesn't seem to have any control over suella do you think suella at all. so do you think it is time that he did? sacker we know there's a reshuffle coming you that coming up. do you think that she's toast ? right? she's toast? right? >> yes, do . although he may, >> yes, i do. although he may, he may just offer a different job in cabinet, which won't cause quite so much trouble. something a bit less sensitive like culture or something like that. like culture or something like that . what he could have done is that. what he could have done is sacked her on on thursday after the article appeared because it hadnt the article appeared because it hadn't been cleared with number 10. that was a breach of collective responsibility and the ministerial code , i think

the ministerial code, i think for political reasons he decided not to go that route. so the most likely cause of action is to bring forward the cabinet reshuffle he was going to do anyway. he and then drop her, then that way he doesn't have to actually attach it directly to the times piece that she wrote . the times piece that she wrote. >> claire, coming back to you, i mean, according to one of the polls, 72% of the tory party faithful support suella. they think she speaks for the silent majority of the uk . what do you majority of the uk. what do you make of that ? i think the suella make of that? i think the suella will always appeal to a certain part of the conservative party and she does have her supporters i >> -- >> but these polls will only give you a snapshot of that moment and whether people support it. because the conservatives that i speak to certainly don't support how she's gone about this . so she's gone about this. so i think it's a very divided party which the conservative party doesn't need any more divisions , doesn't need any more divisions, let's all be honest. so yeah ,

let's all be honest. so yeah, she may well speak for some, but i don't think she speaks for all. and i think the majority of people just to see people just want to see remembrance weekend be about those who laid their lives those who laid down their lives for freedoms . yes. for our freedoms. yes. >> mean, think that's the >> i mean, i think that's the most point here. most important point here. nigel, you she's nigel, coming back to you. she's not only political high not the only political high ranking female causing trouble this week, is she ? angela rayner this week, is she? angela rayner has waded into the keir starmer ceasefire our, if you like, by saying she can understand and why colleagues have resigned . why colleagues have resigned. talking in particular about imran hussain, i think who resigned on wednesday day. what do you make of what angela said this week? well i mean, i think she was just stating the obvious , that what she's saying is she can understand it. >> not saying that she >> she's not saying that she disagrees whole disagrees with it. the whole point about keir starmer's position at the moment is that this is a big test of his credentials to be the next prime minister. what is important, important is wherever possible , important is wherever possible, all the responsible opposition

works hand in hand with the government and international crisis at all. ian rishi sunak both think humanitarian causes, which are about to happen in gaza, is the right way forward. but not a permanent ceasefire . but not a permanent ceasefire. >> claire, what do you make of what angela rayner has said ? what angela rayner has said? >> well, i think that she perhaps needs to sort of pipe down at the back a little because the conflict within the labour party, when you look at israel and gaza, that just one issue alone is very , very toxic issue alone is very, very toxic within the labour party. it isn't helpful to keir starmer to have his senior frontbenchers coming out and making comments. so i think, you know, if there was ever a moment for a little bit of silence and reflection, then now indeed ? then now is it indeed? >> yes, absolutely. and how do you feel about the way today is going so far? the ceremony at the cenotaph was incredibly peaceful, incredibly moving . and peaceful, incredibly moving. and

we've spoken to our reporter jack at the arboretum, which again, was very moving . nigel, again, was very moving. nigel, so far, thankfully , we it seems so far, thankfully, we it seems to be going peacefully. yes fingers crossed. >> i mean, we're only talking about a few minor scuffles nearby to the cenotaph , but it nearby to the cenotaph, but it didn't disrupt what was going on there. the ceremony went ahead as planned . and as you say, it as planned. and as you say, it was an extremely moving one. the same be be true across the rest of the country . see what we must of the country. see what we must hope for now is that the palestinian march goes off peacefully . and those marches peacefully. and those marches prove suella braverman wrong . prove suella braverman wrong. >> yeah, claire, i mean , do you >> yeah, claire, i mean, do you actually think i mean, we've spoken to both sides today. do you think the march should have gone ahead weekend or do gone ahead this weekend or do you would be more you think it would be more respectful the organisers respectful for the organisers to postpone it? >> i think in an ideal world, if the organisers had postponed it, that would have been the best course of action. but i wouldn't ever want to see a protest being

banned , even if i don't like the banned, even if i don't like the cause. perhaps somebody is marching for. i absolutely support their right to do so and i think it's very important that if the government had waded in and cancelled it, then i think that it would have caused more problems solved . so problems than it solved. so let's as nigel said, that let's hope, as nigel said, that there is a little bit of unity like we're showing here. and that goes off without that march goes off without incident and everybody can have their space to reflect and say what they're passionate about. and i think once we get over the sort of hate message that's coming across from certain parts of the media, certain parts of the government actually , people the government actually, people want peace. that should be the message that's coming through loud and clear on armistice day. >> no, absolutely . nigel, coming >> no, absolutely. nigel, coming back finally, have back to you. finally, we have the largest policing operation , the largest policing operation, some 3000 officers today , rings some 3000 officers today, rings of steel around parts of london, making sure that peace is kept with with the main march and the counter marches . what do you

counter marches. what do you think of i mean, the men and the women on the front line of policing do an incredibly tough job. what do you make of suella braverman comments about the police ? i mean, again, if you police? i mean, again, if you are trying your hardest to keep the peace in london today, that's that's not going to go down well, is it ? down well, is it? >> no, i think i think there was totally unhelpful that the metropolitan commissioner , sir metropolitan commissioner, sir mark rowley, has got enough on his plate without having noises off his boss, the home off from his boss, the home secretary so that more difficult the police are operationally independent. they must judge situations on the ground as they see fit. that means that some protests will be policed differently than others . but differently than others. but what their main job is to try and keep the peace and that also should be the government's main job. >> okay, claire, one last word very, very quickly , claire, very, very quickly, claire, because you're a woman, you have the last word. this is how it works. okay so. so what? i mean, suella having a go at the police. i mean, that was

uncalled wasn't it ? uncalled for, wasn't it? >> yes, it was. politicians are there to hold the police to account. the home secretary's job is to hold the police to account, but it's also there to support them in doing their job. so these are conversations that should the should have happened behind the scenes and not in front of the public. i think that it has stoked up many more problems . stoked up many more problems. and then and then we're not going to we're not going to solve them by arguing it out in the national press . the national press. >> right. okay. right. okay that is claire pearsall and nigel nelson there. and i said , claire nelson there. and i said, claire could have the last word. thank you very much for joining us today. you very much for joining us today . really appreciate your today. really appreciate your comments that . okay. lots comments on that. okay. lots more up on today's show. more coming up on today's show. basically, sunak says it's disrespectful and the home secretary we've just been talking about her has branded the pro—palestinian marked a hate march. we'll be going live to the pro—palestine march itself with our home and security editor mark white to

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around the world. i'd. on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month marking the end of world war i, the uk paused for armistice day, remembering the service men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice. police who've increased their presence across the capital, established a ring of protection around the cenotaph in central london to prevent disorder. during the commemoration . but despite their commemoration. but despite their efforts , scuffles broke out efforts, scuffles broke out between police and a large group of people trying to gain access to the site. the met police says while the silence was marked respectfully without incident, officers faced aggression from protesters in significant numbers . the force says they numbers. the force says they weren't part of one cohesive group, adding officers are keeping track of them while clashes also occurred near westminster underground station, a large group was seen running from parliament square towards police vans which were blocking

westminster bridge chanting. we want our country. the met police confirmed a large number of counter protesters have now been detained and it's believed they were also involved in the disorder near the cenotaph . disorder near the cenotaph. well, that's all as a major demonstration gets underway in the capital with hundreds of thousands of pro—palestinian protesters taking part in a rally which is now underway. they're marching from hyde park towards the us embassy . almost towards the us embassy. almost 2000 officers are being deployed across the weekend to prevent any violent behaviour . any violent behaviour. meanwhile, saudi arabia has called for an end to the siege in gaza, as well as the release of the hostages at an extraordinary joint islamic arab wmmw extraordinary joint islamic arab summit. leaders have gathered to address the war in the middle east as the humanitarian situation on the gaza strip continues to deteriorate . the continues to deteriorate. the health ministry, which is run by hamas, says operation have been suspended at the al—shifa

hospital after it ran out of fuel. hospital after it ran out of fuel . israel hospital after it ran out of fuel. israel has hospital after it ran out of fuel . israel has reopened an fuel. israel has reopened an evacuation corridor allowing civilians to travel from the north to the south of the territory. it also hopes a tactical pause in military operations will encourage more people to evacuate the area around the jabalia camp . in around the jabalia camp. in other news, a funeral of 15 year old elian arade dam has taken place in south london. family and friends gathered in croydon to pay their respects. the teenager was stabbed in the town as she was on her way to school on the 27th of september. a 17 year old boy is charged with murder and is due to appear in court on the 19th of december . a court on the 19th of december. a mother who was found dead by her two children in manchester has been named by police . been named by police. perseverance nick gibb was found with a single stab injury in little hulton near salford in the early hours of yesterday morning . the 35 year old was morning. the 35 year old was taken to hospital where she later died. police say a 45 year old man who fled the scene has

been arrested on suspicion of murder and remains in custody . murder and remains in custody. counter counter terror police are investigating a deepfake video of the london mayor which was posted on social media. >> we have armistice day on saturday, but why should londoners cancelled the palestinian march on saturday? why don't they have a remembrance weekend next weekend 7 remembrance weekend next weekend ? what's happening in gaza is much bigger than this weekend and current well, and its current well, a spokesperson for sadiq khan says the video has been circulated and amplified by far right groups , as it's feared the clip groups, as it's feared the clip could further inflame tensions in the capital as the pro—palestinian march coincides with remembrance events . with remembrance events. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv. in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. just say play gb news now it's back to dawn .

back to dawn. >> thank you very much , tamsin. >> thank you very much, tamsin. right. let's get straight into today's topics. despite pushback from the prime minister demonstrations are going ahead in the capital today over the war in gaza . sunak has called war in gaza. sunak has called protest disrespectful, but the met police chief says it doesn't meet the threshold for it to be banned. joining me now is gb news home and security editor mark white, who is live on the protest, wrote for us today . protest, wrote for us today. mark, good afternoon . can you mark, good afternoon. can you tell us where you are and what's happening? can i see what. >> yeah , we're just heading down >> yeah, we're just heading down now towards victoria station , now towards victoria station, having left hyde park a very large group. >> in fact, the metropolitan police have said that there is a very significant number on this march, certainly in the tens of thousands. there's no doubt . and thousands. there's no doubt. and it's stopping and starting because there are so many people . but what scotland yard is also saying is that there have been

no incidents of note in terms of any crimes committed by this group of protesters . is that group of protesters. is that that are taking part in this march. but we know, of course, that there have been clashes involving some of the groups of counter—protesters as police down in westminster area . just down in westminster area. just and also some clashes in place even up in china mark. >> so unfortunately, we seem to have lost the link to mark there. obviously it's an ongoing live situation and we are broadcasting live from the pro—palestine march going through london at the moment. so we will be going back to mark as soon as we get that link back up and running. but joining me now soon as we get that link back up an discuss1g. but joining me now soon as we get that link back up an discuss1g. bmarching me now soon as we get that link back up an discuss1g. b march and ne now soon as we get that link back up an discuss1g. bmarch and indeed to discuss this march and indeed the policing of it former the policing of it is former scotland yard detective peter bleksley. peter, thank very bleksley. peter, thank you very much for coming in this afternoon . what do you mean? the afternoon. what do you mean? the march is ahead? the met

march is going ahead? the met police have said they don't have the criteria to ban it . what do the criteria to ban it. what do you make of how it's being handled today? >> well, it's been one heck of a week in terms of the build up to this protest . this protest. >> that's today. >> that's true today. >> that's true today. >> and i've travelled to the studio underground and studio on the underground and just recently seen some people who are heading towards that protest with their banners and their flags and they look like entirely peaceful and lovely kind of people , the sort you kind of people, the sort you might want to have as neighbours i >> -- >> but of course that doesn't speak for the entirety of this protest unfold . definitely. and protest unfold. definitely. and we know from the previous weeks there are elements in this march who are determined to cause trouble , who may spread hatred trouble, who may spread hatred with their chanting, with their banners and the suchlike and the police , of course, have had to police, of course, have had to walk a bit of a tightrope in terms of policing it in recent weeks. it's huge today. and for the first time there are counter

protesters who have already been involved in some minor scuffles . involved in some minor scuffles. and i'm hearing that a group of them have been, as the met police say, detained near to westminster bridge in important to use. look at the language here, detained rather than arrested. so we'll have to see how things pan out during the afternoon. i sincerely hope, like every right minded person do, that there's no major disorder . disorder. >> as a former police officer , i >> as a former police officer, i mean, this is like i think 3000 odd police have been drafted in all leave cancelled this is the largest police force in number of police we've seen for this commemoration literally ever. how does that make you feel? the fact that we do have to have huge parts of london sort of like, know , with orders, like, you know, with orders, keeping from them, keeping people away from them, fings keeping people away from them, rings of steel around the cenotaph, whitehall shut off to the march in particular. the protest march in particular. does that make you feel, as a former officer, that we are where we are with it? >> it's a price of democracy. it's price of protecting pro

it's the price of protecting pro west and as unpalatable as it may be to many, wait until a journalist does a freedom of information act application on monday to find out what the cost of today's policing was. absolutely. and policing the previous four weekends as well . previous four weekends as well. it's going to be astronomical. it's going to be astronomical. it really is. but of course, with 1800 or more police officers , you can provide officers, you can provide a level of security which of course, we hope is going to be sufficient so that people don't get hurt. property doesn't get damaged, and the sanctity of tomorrow's remembrance sunday is properly and respectfully preserved. >> would you have rather the march not take place this weekend at all? >> no, i would always want protest to be allowed. that is , protest to be allowed. that is, of course, unless there's going to be serious disruption and violence when, of course, the commissioner can go to a home secretary and ask for such a march to be banned . you can't march to be banned. you can't ban gatherings as they are

almost sacrosanct within human rights legislation , protests, rights legislation, protests, marches. you can. but of course, mark rowley , the commissioner of mark rowley, the commissioner of the metropolitan police, sir mark rowley, was very vocal this week saying that bar that they need to hit hadn't been met. consequently, it's going. >> but the ball was hit a few years ago now, wasn't it, with the defunct edl, the english the now defunct edl, the english defence league. they had marches banned so what's the difference? >> they did . there was a >> they did. there was a precedent, but that bar in terms of the threat, the real threat. so supported by information and intelligence, not just somebody guesswork, but based on facts, the likelihood was considerable that there would be serious and violent disruption . that violent disruption. that threshold has not been met this week. hence no such application has been made. >> okay. and suella braverman gone this week. obviously we've all now infamous piece in the times newspaper about this being a hate march, but also so in particular having a go at the

police the way they've policed this particular march over the past few weeks and the way they handle other marches, in particular marches that can be classified as right wing and also the sarah everard vigil as well. >> yeah, two tier policing. the home secretary spoke about. >> do you think she's right? do you think she has a point? >> well, quote a fairly >> well, let me quote a fairly recent may . it's recent example, if i may. it's the opposite of the same the opposite side of the same coin, i would argue. let's just rewind a few short months to when just stop oil started laying down in the road and causing huge disruption to people wanting to go about their daily lives and a lot of irritation , then? irritation, then? >> yeah, absolutely . >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> the met police, the met police stood by and did nothing and people got very cross about it. sir mark rowley, the commissioner, went on the media and said, there's nothing we can do. and he used a case from the supreme court r v ziglar. for those who want to look at look

up such a court case as a reason for his officers doing nothing. that's how he interpreted the law. the police are not here to interpret the law. the police are here to enforce the law . and are here to enforce the law. and i think rowley got it wrong. in fact , i i think rowley got it wrong. in fact, i know i think rowley got it wrong. in fact , i know he i think rowley got it wrong. in fact, i know he got i think rowley got it wrong. in fact , i know he got it wrong fact, i know he got it wrong because as on thursday of this week , because i was on the media week, because i was on the media saying no, they should be arrested the arrested for obstructing the highway , they're committing the highway, they're committing the offence, . get offence, arrest them now. get the moving, do it, the traffic moving, do it, do it, rowley didn't . this it, do it. rowley didn't. this week, 42 just stop. oil protesters have been charged with obstructing the highway in consistent policing. what the home secretary calls two tier i call inconsistent . call inconsistent. >> okay. and obviously , ali, the >> okay. and obviously, ali, the way the policing have handled it's very difficult for people on the front line. i mean, mark rowley was saying that, you know, uses phrase know, if anyone uses the phrase jihad for example, they jihad, for example, that they face arrest. i mean, now if

you're an ordinary copper on the front line, i mean, is it down to you to interpret what people are saying and make that decision? it's down to them to enforce it. >> and look at the trouble the met into only met got themselves into only last when one of their last week when one of their advisors who they've had in the state of the art confidential control room, which is monitoring everything today. mr atik , who was then shown on atik, who was then shown on a 2021 video to be spreading hate and the met police had him as an advisor . and just while i've got advisor. and just while i've got my size 12 on and i'm trampling all over the reputation of the metropolitan police, this is not like you, peter. well on monday, the once world renowned scotland yard was reduced to writing a begging letter to the protest letters saying, please don't hold this event. that letter that they made public and wrote to the organiser says, what a waste of paper and time and

effort that one that at all. absolutely not. because and it was it was perceived by some who are now part of the counter—protests as a sign of weakness on behalf of the police . some people. and it came after monday. this kind of started on tuesday. they were saying, well , tuesday. they were saying, well, maybe our police will not protect the cenotaph, will not protect the cenotaph, will not protect the cenotaph, will not protect the sanctity of remembrance day . and that has remembrance day. and that has been such a large part of getting these people, the counter protesters out onto the streets today because of the perception that the met police were weak and weren't going to do their job properly . do their job properly. >> yeah, but that was stirred up by suella braverman on thursday, her came out on thursday. >> but the movement amongst what some have called the far right. well, i'm now going to call far right. >> they describe themselves as patriots. i mean, don't know patriots. i mean, we don't know who people there's who these people are. there's a large who these people are. there's a largthe counter protesters today, >> the counter protesters today, they motivated and they were motivated and mobilised , i firmly believe, by

mobilised, i firmly believe, by the perceived weakness of the met in sending that letter. >> harsh words . peter bleksley, >> harsh words. peter bleksley, thank you very much for now for joining us right now. thank you very much for now for joining us right now . joining me joining us right now. joining me now is a former met police detective, chief inspector perry benton, a good afternoon, perry. thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. now as we've just been discussing, us this afternoon. now as we've just been discussing , this is just been discussing, this is the largest policing operation that we've ever had for this this weekend commemoration in. what do you make of the way it is being policed ? right. is being policed? right. >> i mean, i think sir mark rowley should be praised for standing up to the politicians and the political infighting that's been sort of demonstrated throughout the country this week. >> i think today's event is going to be very challenging, but i'm confident that he's got a proper plan in place where he's got enough resources to keep the two demonstrations as far apart as possible and to deal with people robustly as the

previous gentleman just said . previous gentleman just said. >> my concern is that there will be elements s that will look to cause trouble, will look to cause trouble, will look to cause disorder and will look to do, you know, fight the police and obviously cause more damage. >> and i just hope that there are enough officers to keep the two groups as best they are enough officers to keep the two to>ups as best they are enough officers to keep the two to>ups the as best they are enough officers to keep the two to>ups the streets;t they are enough officers to keep the two to>ups the streets safe ey are enough officers to keep the two to>ups the streets safe . can to keep the streets safe. >> have have you had any >> have you any have you had any experience personally, of experience personally, perry, of what like to police these what it is like to police these sort of marches ? sort of marches? >> well, i've been involved in various sort of incidents in the past . i was involved in the sort past. i was involved in the sort of disorder back in 2011 where following mark duggan was was killed. and obviously the streets of london then . were streets of london then. were very, very , very because you very, very, very because you wouldn't go . careful that you're wouldn't go. careful that you're not, you know, just causing more problems by sort of singling out individuals, trying to arrest a certain for example ,

certain individual, for example, and then causing more disorder and then causing more disorder and potentially causing more injuries . so that's going to be injuries. so that's going to be very going very challenging. it's going to be heart out to all the be my heart goes out to all the police think police officers who i think are going to doing very, very going to be doing a very, very difficult job. and i know that they're going be their they're going to be doing their best and keep they're going to be doing their bes' streets and keep they're going to be doing their bes' streets safe and keep they're going to be doing their bes' streets safe . and keep the streets safe. >> but they should be praised. all on duty all the police officers on duty today, not dealing with today, not just dealing with the protest, dealing with, protest, but also dealing with, you know, normal policing, which is still going you know, is still going on. you know, we're keep we're still trying to keep synagogues and other sort of muslim , you know, buildings safe muslim, you know, buildings safe . and i think today, you know, policing in general should be hopefully praised and not criticised by the media. i think it's going to be difficult . it's going to be difficult. >> it is a very tough job. and sort of like, you know, the met have said that, you know, anyone using the phrase jihad could be arrested. now that's putting an awful lot of pressure on the men and the women who are actually on that front line . you know, on that front line. you know, looking at it, they're almost making political judgements as you were as to, you know, who is saying what phrase flying, saying what phrase or flying, what when. that's a lot

what banner when. that's a lot of pressure on them . of pressure on them. >> well, this is, again , where i >> well, this is, again, where i think, you know, the home secretary was wrong. you know, she to have of stoked she seems to have sort of stoked up hatred and division. you up this hatred and division. you know, think her comments were know, i think her comments were very difficult. she's put the police in almost impossible position . like say, it's going position. like i say, it's going to difficult to arrest to be very difficult to arrest sort of individuals if they're chanting phrase or chanting a certain phrase or carrying a certain banner without potentially causing further and that's further disturbance. and that's something that commanders are going to be looking at and making tactical decisions at the right time. i mean, the biggest key is to two groups key really is to two groups separate to any groups that were around the senator. we've seen disturbing images from the senator, and we hope that the two groups separate and those people who are intent on causing violence or disorder away from the peaceful protests. that is clearly going on. you know, they have the right to protest. i do think it's difficult that they potentially shouldn't have held it today because today and this weekend in particular, the uk is

a very sort of difficult and sensitive weekend . you know, sensitive weekend. you know, they have the right to protest and the police will obviously without fear or favour, perry unfortunately, we're having terrible difficulty with your line, so we'll leave it there for now. >> but thank you very much for joining perry benton, joining us. that's perry benton, ex police from essex ex dci, met police from essex there happening on the there on what's happening on the streets of london with the pro—palestine march. now today is the 105th anniversary of the armistice that ended fighting with germany in the first world war. communities across the country have been observing the two minute silence very peacefully and incredibly moving and remembering those who gave the ultimate sacrifice is. joining me now is our northern ireland reporter dougie beattie to find out what's been going on in northern ireland today. dougie, thank you very much for joining us. good afternoon. can you bring us up to date what's been happening in northern ireland? well it was a very sombre affair really, as any silence should be.

>> you've got to remember that northern ireland in particular, the poppy day remembrance here is very complicated because of decades of troubles in northern ireland. those that wanted to be in the republican side of the community here and those in the unionist side of the community. and it must be remembered, though, that the first world war, when the first world war was on, ireland was still as one. it wasn't divided at that part. the whole of ireland was part. the whole of ireland was part of the united kingdom and there wasn't one village in the whole of ireland that hadn't been affected by the first world war. every single village had lost a young man in some way or another in the first world war and it was great to see that people here had respected that, that the very short service had went on. the big day, of course, will be tomorrow when everybody starts laying poppy wreaths, etcetera. but there was a planned protest here with the for rights for palestine. it

didn't come to pass. but it must be said that it was a very late police presence visually on the ground . but once you went into ground. but once you went into the side streets in belfast, you could see a lot of tsg tactical support groups and so forth ready to intervene if they had. and credit to the new chief constable, john bucha . they were constable, john bucha. they were kept well enough out of the way not to interfere with any of the visuals of what went on here today. and as i've been saying throughout the morning, if you stand here and look at those that have actually served in combat in that two minute's silence, it really is quite moving it. it's goosebumps tame. the hearse stands in the back of your neck when that bugle plays and then it stops and the silence comes in. if you look around that crowd, you can see many of these acts , veterans, many of these acts, veterans, some that i knew that that had fought in the falklands war, some in iraq, some in afghanistan , that that had came

afghanistan, that that had came across quite substantial losses . across quite substantial losses. and you could just watch those men and women's eyes and they were going somewhere else in that particular time. i mean , that particular time. i mean, one of the young sergeants here that served in the royal irish was actually killed on. remember this day? and i happened to see one of his commanding officers and amongst the crowd and you could see what he was thinking. and it may be a group activity. this remembrance the whole time of a community. but in those two minutes, it is very much a sombre and very much, much a very personal time . and here in very personal time. and here in northern ireland, in belfast, thankfully it has been respected and it has went off well. >> that's lovely, dougie , as you >> that's lovely, dougie, as you say, is incredibly emotional and obviously i haven't served, but i've had friends who have served. and you know , that bugle served. and you know, that bugle in really gets you, in particular really gets you, doesn't it? and it's like it is hard not to not just think of those that have gone before, but

also, you know, those that are still giving their lives. we've been to the arboretum today and they are still carving the names now of people that are fighting for our our democracy and for our rights to indeed protest . so our rights to indeed protest. so it's lovely that it is sort of like, you know, being respected there. now, obviously, the pro—palestine march in in in london is expected to be huge. they bigger than ever. but you say has there been any marches there before this week or is it something that's happening weekly as well ? weekly as well? >> oh, yes, there have been marches here weekly leaving from here actually at the city hall. they marched around belfast a couple of weeks ago and they ended up at the front of bbc, has to be said it was peaceful, but a lot of chants and so forth going on that would be disturbing , going on that would be disturbing, it must say to the jewish community. and there is quite a large jewish community in northern ireland, very , very in northern ireland, very, very well respected community and very thought of as is any

very well thought of as is any other communities in northern ireland. but at the same time, you have to show that little bit of tolerance and respect and understand that you're in the middle a city centre that has middle of a city centre that has all and races and all religions and races and creeds in it. >> indeed. and we remember that many, many, many religions and creeds and races fought in in both world wars for our freedom. that's dougie beattie gb news, northern ireland. reporter there from belfast. thank you very much, dougie. appreciate that . much, dougie. appreciate that. you're watching and listening to gb news saturday with me. dawn neesom . lots more coming up on neesom. lots more coming up on today's show . but first, let's today's show. but first, let's take a look at the weather with jonathan. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office hope you've been enjoying conditions as enjoying the fine conditions as pretty of us have seen pretty much all of us have seen today. pretty much all of us have seen today . it is pretty much all of us have seen today. it is going pretty much all of us have seen today . it is going turning today. it is going to be turning more unsettled, we more unsettled, though, as we head throughout this evening and overnight. rain overnight. a band of heavy rain sweeping the sweeping its way in from the southwest, pushing into england and southern areas wales will and southern areas of wales will turn windy coastal turn quite windy around coastal areas also bringing areas here. this also bringing some milder conditions. so

temperatures hotting up a touch more we more overnight. but where we hold to clear skies hold on to the clear skies further the and the further towards the east and the north, night to north, a very chilly night to come. for come. some frost certainly for eastern north eastern parts of scotland of north—east scotland and parts of north—east england as well. fog also lingering in these places throughout morning could throughout sunday morning could be clear, perhaps be quite slow to clear, perhaps even lingering the middle even lingering into the middle of afternoon . eventually, of the afternoon. eventually, though, allow for some though, that will allow for some sunny intervals across of sunny intervals across parts of scotland. but the rain will gradually sweep its way north and the day. and eastwards during the day. actually band of rain actually a second band of rain filtering with filtering in behind with some further pulses at times as further heavy pulses at times as well. temperatures quite cold where fog lingers around mid where the fog lingers around mid single figures, but milder again in south, around 13 or 14 c in the south, around 13 or 14 c here. it is going to remain unsettled as we head into the start of the new working week with low with another area of low pressure its way pressure looking to push its way across of the uk. the across areas of the uk. the exact this are still exact details of this are still a uncertain, so it is worth a bit uncertain, so it is worth staying up to date with the forecast. but there is the potential areas to see potential for many areas to see some course of some rain over the course of monday , turning really quite monday, turning really quite windy coast of windy with gales around coast of the even in the far north windy with gales around coast of th

part week looks like a part of next week looks like a mixture sunshine and showers. mixture of sunshine and showers. and the rest of your and for the rest of your day, bye

isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930 . six till 930. >> hello. good afternoon. you're watching gb news. i'm tamsin roberts with the headlines. it's 130 a silence has been observed to honour those who've served in conflicts around the .

conflicts around the. world on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month marking the end of world war i, the uk paused for armistice day. remember the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice? police increased their presence to prevent disorder. during the commemoration . but despite their commemoration. but despite their efforts, scuffles broke out as people tried to gain access to the site. the met police says while the silence was marked respectfully without incident , respectfully without incident, officers faced aggression from protests in significant numbers . protests in significant numbers. the force says they weren't part of one cohesive group and that officers are keeping track of them. well clashes also occurred in westminster , where a group in westminster, where a group was seen running from parliament square towards police vans chanting we want our country

back. the met police confirmed a large number of counter protesters were detained . it's protesters were detained. it's believed they were also involved in the disorder near the cenotaph . well that's as a major cenotaph. well that's as a major rally is held in the capital. hundreds of thousands of pro—palestinian protesters are marching from hyde park towards the us embassy . almost 2000 the us embassy. almost 2000 officers have been deployed across the weekend to prevent any violent behaviour . well, any violent behaviour. well, those are the top stories. of course, you can get more on all of those headlines. just visit our website, gbnews.com. now though, it's back to dawn . though, it's back to dawn. >> thank you, tamzin, welcome back to gb news saturday with me dawn neesom on your tv online and on digital radio. now across the weekend we'll be hearing your stories , remembering those your stories, remembering those lost in the great war and every war since . but it's not just

war since. but it's not just about them. it's also about those who survived , many with those who survived, many with wounds, physical and mental, and many destined to replay those memories for as long as they live. i am absolutely thrilled. now, joining me is world war two veteran john dennett. as well as jim houlihan, a taxi driver from veterans on the move. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining me. absolutely so pleased to talk to you because we've been talking to politicians and we've talked to marchers . we've talked talked to marchers. we've talked to the police policing the march. but but what today is about, it's about gentlemen like you, john. so i just want to ask what today means to a veteran like yourself . like yourself. >> well, for me personally , >> well, for me personally, remembrance weekend is what it says. remembrance weekend is what it says . you remember the people says. you remember the people who gave their lives for what we enjoy today day and i know it

started a long time ago and may it continue always as well. oh be a remembrance day . but the be a remembrance day. but the poppyis be a remembrance day. but the poppy is a signal or a sign of peace , mainly from the first peace, mainly from the first world war and this country has a well, i will put it. we've always agreed to wear a poppy as always agreed to wear a poppy as a sign of remembrance. and it is taught to all our kids and whatever what the poppy means and whenever at this time of the year comes around, then , you year comes around, then, you know, it's a time to honour the lads who made this country. they gave their lives in all the different wars . they gave their different wars. they gave their lives for the freedom we enjoy . lives for the freedom we enjoy. and i must admit, like i thought

it and i can't complain. i've had , what, 70 odd years of had, what, 70 odd years of freedom ? so i'm lucky enough freedom? so i'm lucky enough there is . but what i've been there is. but what i've been through, i've enjoyed it. all this in england. we are lucky. we are in a country where we've got free speech. i'm i'm not saying , well, you could say most saying, well, you could say most things within reason , put it things within reason, put it that way. yeah, but not many countries are as lucky as us. no, indeed . and we, we only no, indeed. and we, we only reason we like that our younger generations do this fall for it. and that's what we've achieved. so to me, it's a very poignant time now i'm getting on a bit, but but i'm looking forward to it. no, seriously, no , john. it. no, seriously, no, john. >> the first thing you did was wink at me when you came in here. to be honest with you, no, i'm not wankaner this . i'm not wankaner this. >> i know.

>> i know. >> it's gone to heaven . they >> it's gone to heaven. they kept it one. i think you were a bit of a flirt on the quiet, aren't you? oh, no, i still like looking , john. that's what keeps looking, john. that's what keeps you going , kid. you going, kid. >> exactly that. now, john, i'm gonna ask you a terribly rude question . when we saw you question. when we saw you standing just now for. to. to mark the two minute silence. arngask are terribly rude. question, john, how old are you now? >> you know, enough. not 99. >> you know, enough. not 99. >> rude . that's an amazing age. >> lucky my dear. >> lucky my dear. >> so honest . >> lucky my dear. >> so honest. i'm >> lucky my dear. >> so honest . i'm looking >> so honest. i'm looking forward to being a hundred. >> i never thought i would telegram from the king, but here i am. be disappoint. telegram from the king, but here i am. be disappoint . and i am. i'll be disappoint. and now if i don't get there, well, you will. >> i'm sure you will. the way you're this morning. you're going this morning. that's what all say. you're going this morning. thajohn,1at all say. you're going this morning. thajohn,1at you all say. >> john, can you tell me a little about you little about about what you actually the war? actually did during the war? what your experience ? what was your experience? >> what's my experience ? >> what's my experience? >> what's my experience? >> i love your chuckle . it's so naughty. >> i'll tell you, i'll give you a short. >> are you the navy it's 17. >> are you in the navy it's 17. dummy training , went to war,

dummy training, went to war, went to america , picked up a went to america, picked up a ship, a london ship tank and when we got used to that, we went to north africa and we were helping the army over there with their supplies and whatnot . and their supplies and whatnot. and then there was the invasion of sicily when the african war finished . and from there salerno finished. and from there salerno came along. that was up the coast and we were taranto around the corner when the italian fleet packed up and we also assisted malta in the relief of because they were under siege dunng because they were under siege during 1942 and we were carrying stuff from north africa, food and petrol in cans and what have you.so and petrol in cans and what have you. so we helped in that a did anzio in the january of . 1944. anzio in the january of. 1944. that was a sticky little one.

but but survived that and got called home to england for d—day and i landed up in birkenhead in liverpool . and that's where liverpool. and that's where i had the fortune to meet my wife. oh, at the a dancer, a sailor. being what he is, he goes to the pub when the pub shuts to the dance hall . and in them days , dance hall. and in them days, all the girls i don't want to say he like to meet the sailor, but they always gave them tea and biscuits. whatever and i kept in touch with joyce all through my d—day experiences and dunng through my d—day experiences and during the rest of the war. and we eventually married in 1947. oh, and so , so i've lived up on oh, and so, so i've lived up on the wirral since then . and so the wirral since then. and so i'm half a scouser , i reckon. i i'm half a scouser, i reckon. i am, yeah . money, half of one. am, yeah. money, half of one. but no, i've been very lucky .

but no, i've been very lucky. very lucky indeed. >> and the d—day events , i mean, >> and the d—day events, i mean, how do you look back upon them now ? well, the other d—day, to now? well, the other d—day, to me was the easiest, mainly seeing the amount of people that was taking part in there. >> like we formed up off of portsmouth and when we got go in, there was ships everywhere and literally thousands was a thousand. i believe there was about 3000 ships. little and big, i'm not sure, but i've only read that. but as you looked around, you , you had a job to around, you, you had a job to see water and they thought, oh, this is okay. and it was okay until he got there . until he got there. >> yes. but go in there. >> yes. but go in there. >> you know, you weren't at all worried, were you ? you sailing worried, were you? you sailing along and wonder what's going to

happen and as it happened, we were lucky. nothing happened to us. we went in on the second wave and that's it. and done a few more trips to the different beaches and it was only when you see them going around with a boat picking out dead bodies out of the water, that you realise what had happened . and at that what had happened. and at that age , i don't think it got down age, i don't think it got down to me. it's only now when i think about it, a terrible thing to think there's some of your friends and soldiers had gone ashore and they washed back out with the tide and fella goes round in a boat picking them up . round in a boat picking them up. and at the time it never got home. to me, it's only in my later years i think about it. i thought, oh, i wish i'd have been a bit more sympathetic or something like that. but it's what happens when you're young,

i'm afraid, and you were all very young as well, i think. >> well , i very young as well, i think. >> well, i said i was. >> well, i said i was. >> i was there on d—day , 1944, >> i was there on d—day, 1944, and i'd be 20. >> yeah. and did you know it wouldn't be 20, be 19. 19. that's the d—day was in june 1st. yes it was july. >> july. berio i'd be 19. i'd been all around the world. and so, you know , using my youth had so, you know, using my youth had been spent in the navy. but to me, it's been spent well. do you do you think of any did you lose any any personal friends in the d—day landings ? no. actual d—day landings? no. actual people of our boat or our flotilla. we didn't lose any of the flotilla at d—day. we lost them later at anzio . before them later at anzio. before that, you know, one of them hit a mine going in. that was for. one seven and another one for 20

something. they all go by numbers . our something. they all go by numbers. our landing craft. yeah. and we had a flotilla and we were 322 and that's 12 in the flotilla. and that's your family . so they're friends . but every . so they're friends. but every time you drop off somewhere to pick somebody up, you meet with them . yeah. and that is your them. yeah. and that is your family. during the war? yeah. and how your life can depend on the lads on your ship . the lads on your ship. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> and that is it. >> exactly. >> and that is it . and that's >> and that is it. and that's what creates such a friendship. >> and how do you feel thinking of them on days like today ? john? >> there again, my dear, how do you feel thinking about the young men you served with and indeedin young men you served with and indeed in particular, think how do you feel thinking about them today? >> how does that make you comes home to you then? >> i went lucky they were and how i it have how lucky i am. it could have been me, couldn't and so i'm been me, couldn't it? and so i'm extremely lucky to have gone through what i've gone through. and i say , well, you know , but

and i say, well, you know, but i'm still here. >> yeah. and that is a bonus. >> yeah. and that is a bonus. >> it is a bonus. >> it's a bonus. >> it's a bonus. >> it's a bonus. >> it is a bonus. and when remembered comes down, i think then poor lads, it makes it more worth it , you know, i then poor lads, it makes it more worth it, you know, i think bloody hell. pardon the. no i do. i how lucky am . and i'm do. i how lucky am. and i'm extremely lucky we're very lucky and very grateful. yeah, i think so. yeah. and i do appreciate it. and i do all i can to talk to kids in schools, things like that , because they're our future that, because they're our future . and as long as they remember or we will always go on and that's what it's all about. >> indeed. oh definitely. >> indeed. oh definitely. >> thank you so much , jim. can >> thank you so much, jim. can we bring you into the conversation now? can you tell we bring you into the con'what:ion now? can you tell we bring you into the con'what what'sv? can you tell we bring you into the con'what what's your n you tell we bring you into the con'what what's your partj tell we bring you into the con'what what's your part in ell me what what's your part in this? i mean, you , sir, veterans this? i mean, you, sir, veterans , taxi. >> charity, taxi, charity, military veterans. >> yeah. so how have you met

john? what's your involvement here? >> well, i met john last may, came down the train and through the charity, they said they needed a driver to take him to buckingham palace . so buckingham palace. so unfortunately, he was stuck with me . me. >> you know , so me. >> you ki'iow , 50 we me. >> you know , so we formed >> and, you know, so we formed a good friendship. >> so we dropped him off and tony, his nephew, to lovely guys and it was only a short journey, but it's always a pleasure to meet these veterans and what strikes me about all of them is they're always so humble and they're always so humble and they're all so grateful. >> like they either want to pay you for your fare or and when you for your fare or and when you say to them, no, no , you say to them, no, no, honestly, it's my pleasure . it's honestly, it's my pleasure. it's my way repaying you for what my way of repaying you for what you did to give up a little part of my time for that is nothing compared to what he got. went through and all his colleagues , through and all his colleagues, his comrades who didn't make it home. >> well, as we've just very emotionally discussed. so can you talk a bit about the organisation? i mean, what, what

what it does and how it got started and yeah , it was formed started and yeah, it was formed 75 years ago now after shortly after the second world war ended. >> yeah . and it was just to take >> yeah. and it was just to take military veterans out for events and memorials and it's sort of grown since then. so so they do two, two main trips a year to take the veterans to d—day and to arnhem . and they don't to arnhem. and they don't doesn't necessarily mean they have to have served there. they could be an afghan veteran, so it could be a relatively young veteran who's who's gone over there. if they get in contact with the charity. you know, we could contain you this because obviously these these gentlemen won't be around for longer , for won't be around for longer, for long. but they're still veterans as from, say, the falklands war , as from, say, the falklands war, northern ireland conflict onwards. they've served their country . exactly. so as taxi country. exactly. so as taxi drivers, it's our way of paying.

thanks for their service. and like i say, all the drivers will say exactly the same thing. it's a pleasure. it's an honour to bnng a pleasure. it's an honour to bring these gentlemen and women who served as well. they did a vital role. so they deserve it as much as the men who fought. >> yeah did thank you. >> yeah did thank you. >> well, we would be lost without them because i've rang. >> they could when he runs. he's the boss of it and he makes sure that we got today sorted out. yeah tomorrow he's making sure we get to westminster to the horse guards parade on time and without them, you know , you'd be without them, you know, you'd be lost. and it's a wonderful thing . and they're always sending me cards . dearjohn. yeah, that's right. >> i get them as well. >> i get them as well. >> do you? yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> every event, trafalgar day, whatever it is going on, you get a dearjohn whatever it is going on, you get a dear john card

whatever it is going on, you get a dearjohn card and gentlemen, thank you. >> so it is wonderful. could i, could i just say one quick thing as well? >> if anyone's interested, watch in this. they can look at the website okay. and they'll website right. okay. and they'll get information website right. okay. and they'll get history information website right. okay. and they'll get history inf01what)n website right. okay. and they'll get history inf01what we do . and the history and what we do. and if donate as well, if they want to donate as well, because obviously, like all charities, struggling charities, they're struggling for . for funds. >> so just remind us what the website is. >> the website is. >> charity >> it's called the taxi charity for veterans. for military veterans. >> okay. so people have >> right. okay. so people have a look at that then. >> yeah, look at the website and it'll give you history and it'll give you the history and thank you lovely of thank you lovely photographs of the wonderful. the veterans. it's wonderful. thank you. >> w- e so much for thank you. >> so much for coming >> thank you so much for coming in. appreciate time. in. really appreciate your time. and john, thank you for everything you've done for us, my dear. >> absolutely . thank you for >> absolutely. thank you for coming in. >> john w.- coming in. >> houlihan john and coming in. >> houlihan there. and coming in. >> houlihan there. thank and coming in. >> houlihan there. thank you so jim houlihan there. thank you so much. on remembrance. you're watching and listening gb news saturday with me, dawn neesom hmm. lots more coming up on today's show and gb news britain's news channel. don't go too

7:00 this evening. gb news the people's . channel people's. channel >> welcome back to gb news saturday with me. dawn neesom on your tv , online and on digital your tv, online and on digital radio. now from the sublime to the ridiculous, prince harry and other high profile individuals are delighted after a high court judge ruled their claims against the daily mail. publisher can go to a full trial. the group, including sir elton john and baroness doreen lawrence, have accused associated newspapers limited of allegedly carrying out illegal activities such as

recording private phone calls. meanwhile el a&e says it looks forward to establishing in the courts that the claims made were lurid. joining me now to unpack all of this is the former royal correspondent at the sun , correspondent at the sun, charles rea. charles, thank you so much forjoining me this so much for joining me this afternoon. very special afternoon. very special afternoon. and we are going to talk about prince talk once again about prince harry. so can you just harry. what so can you just explain? i'm very confused about the actual number of legal cases. prince harry is actually fighting at the moment. so what's happening with this latest well this latest latest one now? well this latest one is the one against the mail group . group. >> and as you've just said , in >> and as you've just said, in which he and others , john, which he and others, john, dunng which he and others, john, during doreen lawrence and everybody else claiming that journalist on the mail group accessed private details through phone hacking, private detectives and even those sticky microphones that you stick on the window. >> we've seen on films and everything else, um , now the

everything else, um, now the mail group says that their allegations are loaded and preposterous and is fighting. and i have to say, don't . it is and i have to say, don't. it is absolutely fantastic to see one newspaper group of all the others who are actually taking on these people and saying, we're not going to sit down and roll over, as so many others have have, and have to also add that there are a great number of celebrities who have jumped on the bandwagon and, you know, to try and get some cash out of newspapers and . in oh oh, newspapers and. in oh oh, unfortunately , we appear to have unfortunately, we appear to have lost charlie there as well , lost charlie there as well, talking about prince harry's legal case against the mail group newspapers. >> hopefully we'll get charlie back at some point. but obviously on the front of all your papers, the other royal story today, there you can see it is the new portrait of prince charles. he is coming up to 75th

birthday on tuesday , which he is birthday on tuesday, which he is celebrating with his family. i think kate and william are going to be there as well. but obviously not harry and meghan . obviously not harry and meghan. so i think we have charles rea back. do we, charles, thank you very much. i think you cut yourself off there, charles. you were about this latest were saying about this latest legal case harry. yeah with legal case with harry. yeah with this latest legal case. >> i mean , don't want people to >> i mean, don't want people to run away with a thing that which is awful lot is happening an awful lot that every employed in every journalist employed in this country packs a phone . know this country packs a phone. know there was a small group of them. >> it was all wrong. >> it was all wrong. >> none of us liked it, can >> none of us liked it, i can tell you that. certainly i and a great many other colleagues that i've never had great many other colleagues that i've in never had great many other colleagues that i've in their never had great many other colleagues that i've in their lives. 1ever had great many other colleagues that i've in their lives. so er had great many other colleagues that i've in their lives. so we've a phone in their lives. so we've thought very thought this is a very, very important that's going on. important case that's going on. and there's a second hearing on november 21st, which next stage will happen. and very much if we get to the nitty gritty of it, until early next year , it is a until early next year, it is a case that , you know, that we'll

case that, you know, that we'll see what's going on. the great thing that's happened in this case is that judge has ruled that he cannot use confidential evidence that was presented to the leveson inquiry 12 years ago, promote their case. so they just have to produce their own evidence. >> charles, unfortunately, the line is actually breaking up quite badly. there but i think we've got the gist of what's going on. thank you very much for joining us there. that's forjoining us there. that's charles rea a former royal correspondent for the sun newspaper, talking about prince harry's latest legal case. i think this is number five. i'm losing the plot . oh, and also, losing the plot. oh, and also, we were about to discuss king charles's birthday , which is charles's birthday, which is coming up 75th birthday. but lots more coming up on today's show . the prime minister, rishi show. the prime minister, rishi sunak, says it's disrespectful . sunak, says it's disrespectful. and the home secretary branded it a hate march. we'll be going live to the pro—palestinian march with our home and security editor , mark white. all of that

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court is going to give its decision on whether the rwanda plan. yes it's still going there is lawful . and if it isn't is lawful. and if it isn't lawful , what is the government's lawful, what is the government's next step? and if it is deemed lawful , why haven't we just lawful, why haven't we just wasted a year and lots of money arguing about it when we could have been processing the migration claims? we'll discuss. have been processing the migrto on claims? we'll discuss. have been processing the migrto discuss1s? we'll discuss. have been processing the migrto discuss ,;? we'll discuss. have been processing the migrto discuss , bute'll discuss. have been processing the migrto discuss , but please:uss. have been processing the migrto discuss , but please dos. lots to discuss, but please do get in touch. send me your thoughts at news. thoughts on gb views at gb news. com or message me really simply on our socials. we're at gb news, but first, let's have a look at the news headlines with tamsin roberts . tamsin roberts. >> dawn, thanks very much and good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's 2:01. a silence has been observed to honour those who've served in conflicts around the .

around the. world on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, marking the end of world war i, the uk paused for armistice day, remembering the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice. police who've increased their presence across the capital, established a ring of protection around the cenotaph in central to london prevent disorder. during the commemoration , an. well, despite commemoration, an. well, despite their efforts, scuffles broke out between police and a large group of people trying to gain access to the site. the met police says while the silence was marked respectfully without incident , officers faced incident, officers faced aggression from protesters in significant numbers. the force says they weren't part of one cohesive group and that officers are keeping track of them. while clashes also occurred near westminster underground . westminster underground. station, a large group was seen running from parliament square towards police vans blocking westminster bridge, chanting we

want our country back. the met police confirmed a large number of counter protesters have now been detained. it's believed they were also involved in the disorder near the cenotaph . disorder near the cenotaph. well, that's as a major demonstration is staged in the capital with hundreds of thousands of pro—palestine protesters taking part in a rally calling for a ceasefire in gaza. they're marching from hyde park towards the us embassy . park towards the us embassy. almost 2000 officers are being deployed across the weekend to prevent any violent behaviour . prevent any violent behaviour. meanwhile saudi arabia has called for an end to the siege in gaza, as well as the release of the hostages at an extraordinary joint islamic arab wmmw extraordinary joint islamic arab summit. leaders have gathered to address the war in the middle east as the humanitarian situation on the gaza strip continues to deteriorate. the health ministry, which is run by hamas , says operations have been hamas, says operations have been suspended at the al—shifa

hospital after it ran out of fuel. hospital after it ran out of fuel . israel hospital after it ran out of fuel. israel has hospital after it ran out of fuel . israel has reopened an fuel. israel has reopened an evacuation corridor allowing civilians to travel from the north to the south of the territory. it also hopes a tactical pause in military operations will encourage more people to evacuate the area . people to evacuate the area. around the jabalia camp . in around the jabalia camp. in other news, a mother who was found dead by her two children in manchester has been named by police . perseverance nick gibb police. perseverance nick gibb was found with a single stab injury in little hulton near salford in the early hours of yesterday morning . the 35 year yesterday morning. the 35 year old was taken to hospital where she later died. police say a 45 year old man who fled the scene has been arrested on suspicion of murder and remains in custody . the funeral of 15 year old euan . the funeral of 15 year old elian arade dam has taken place in south london. family and friends gathered in croydon to pay friends gathered in croydon to pay their respects. the teenager was stabbed in the town as she

was stabbed in the town as she was on her way to school on the 27th of september. a 17 year old boy is charged with murder and is due to appear in court. on the 19th of december. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now . it's back to dawn . news now. it's back to dawn. >> thank you very much, tamzin. now let's get straight into today's topics. despite pushback from the prime minister demonstrations are going ahead in the capital today over the war in gaza. sunak has called the protest disrespectful, but the protest disrespectful, but the met chief says it doesn't meet the threshold for it to be banned. joining me now is gb news home security editor mark white, who is alive on the march for us today. mark good afternoon. thank you for joining us again . can you tell us what's us again. can you tell us what's happening where you are now ? all

happening where you are now? all right . right. >> yeah, well, we're just just south, basically, or just north, actually, of vauxhall bridge with the main body of marchers coming past us. those officers are from cheshire police. they're here to make sure that none of the marchers here go down towards the cenotaph area where of course, that group of counter—protesters are in that area as well. so a large group, i mean, the metropolia police have described it as a very large march. tens of thousands . large march. tens of thousands. certainly i couldn't really give an estimate beyond that because i'm just seeing them as they come past here and was with them initially as they assembled up initially as they assembled up in hyde park. there but it's been this march has certainly been this march has certainly been very peaceful. there's no doubt about that. and we have got these reports, of course , of got these reports, of course, of trouble at the counter protest outs that have been taking place

around westminster and even up in chinatown in the west end as well, where there was some more sporadic violence. it's pretty much contained, though. those groups that were involved in those issues have been contained by the metropolitan police. i see the metropolitan police. i just said the officers behind us are from cheshire looking at these funds that are going past i think that's northumbria police that know west mercia police, sorry, that are just coming by. they have got mutual aid in from police forces right across the country to help them out today because as well as this march , this is the capital this march, this is the capital city. they have got two police throughout the capital, as they would normally on any given saturday. there are football matches taking place, lots of events that require policing attention . so that's why they attention. so that's why they call on mutual aid from other police forces to come in. now, this march is destined for the

us embassy, which is south of the river over vauxhall bridge and another mile or so down that way . and the marchers have got way. and the marchers have got until about 5:15 this evening to then start disperse . that is then start disperse. that is always a potential flashpoint because sadly, although the vast majority of people that are on this march have not any intention of doing anything that would be in any way troublesome to the police , it only takes a to the police, it only takes a tiny minority of those to actually decide to give the police trouble . and then, you police trouble. and then, you know , we see the to what has know, we see the to what has happenedin know, we see the to what has happened in previous weeks could well happen again. but as i say, the police are here in very significant numbers today. so certainly april, significant numbers today. so certainly april , to deal with certainly april, to deal with whatever they are confronted with in the hours ahead. and the hopeis with in the hours ahead. and the hope is the hope is that these people, even though they decided to assemble and march today

against the wishes of not just many in the political class, but i think many people right across the country who felt this the country who felt that this weekend in particular, it just wasn't appropriate . but the hope wasn't appropriate. but the hope is okay, they're making their point with the march , but at point with the march, but at least keep it peaceful. the least they keep it peaceful. the counter protesters, lots of different at issue, as we know , different at issue, as we know, there have been some scuffles with regard to them. but in terms of this so far, at least on they are staying peaceful. mark we know that there are some 3000 police on the streets today, which is the largest police presence ever for an armistice day. >> or remember sunday. but. look at the scenes that, you know, behind you now we're looking at it very peaceful . i it does seem very peaceful. i mean, there are people of all ages and races. there what are the protesters themselves saying? why are they there? what do they want? what are they

protesting about? exactly . protesting about? exactly. >> well, the first thing i've got to do is just to apologise to the viewers and listeners with this big long pause. i'm not deliberately ignoring you. it's for technical reasons. because of the low quality of the signal that we've got that long pause. but yes , yes. in long pause. but yes, yes. in terms of what they're saying, they are seeing the images, as is the world seeing the images coming out of gaza, the bombing of civilian areas, and of course , you know, i was over in israel and the israeli defence forces tell us constantly that this is, you know, the civilian deaths are a by—product of hamas cynically using civilian areas to put their terrorist infrastructure, their rocket launchers , their command and launchers, their command and control under hospitals and alike. but to be honest, i think for people here, they don't really care about that. they

just see the images coming out and they want it to stop. they want an immediate ceasefire . want an immediate ceasefire. what they don't do when you speak to them is answer actually what what israel is supposed to do going forward in terms of defending itself, because we've had multiple hamas leaders now in the past week have come on and given interviews to various channels to say that they don't regret the 7th of october attacks. and if they had the chance, he would repeat them all over again . and of course, over again. and of course, they have every single day. have continued every single day. i've still got my on my phone the app that tells us about rocket attacks coming into israel . and just watching that israel. and just watching that again today, it's buzzing all most constantly. every hour there's a fresh rocket attack into israel. so that broader question of what on earth israel does to guarantee its security , does to guarantee its security, the people here don't seem to be in a position to answer, don't want to answer. maybe they just don't have the answers. but either way here, the impetus as

far as they're concerned is just to get a ceasefire and then deal with the what do we do about israel and its security after that. >> that's mark, thank you very much . that's mark white, our much. that's mark white, our home and security editor, joining us there live from the march . and mark will be keeping march. and mark will be keeping us up to date as the day progresses. and as mark said, there , obviously into the there, obviously into the evening, it's due to finish at around about 5:00 when darkness is falling. so let's hope it stays peaceful today is the 105th anniversary of the armistice that ended fighting with germany in the first world war. communities across the country have been observing the two minute silence and remembering those who gave the ultimate sacrifice is. joining me now is military historian chris newton . chris, thank you chris newton. chris, thank you so much forjoining us. chris, i know this this sounds stupid , know this this sounds stupid, but why is it that why is today

it's armistice day today and remembrance sunday tomorrow? why are these two days just so important? and what are the origins indeed of them? we think we know, but i'm not quite sure. most of us do . most of us do. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> good afternoon, dawn . the origins. >> i will focus on the two minute silence, but the origins of that came from a person called sir percy fitzpatrick. >> he was a high commissioner in south africa and in south africa. at a point during the war. every day they observed a three minute silence and fitzpatrick proposed this idea of having a silence . on on the of having a silence. on on the 11th of november 19, 19 to the british cabinet the british british cabinet and the british cabinet adopted that . and on the cabinet adopted that. and on the 19th, on the 11th of november 19, 19. and they that was the first two minute silence. so and

they had a ceremony as well at they had a ceremony as well at the temporary at that point a cenotaph . so it was . it was a cenotaph. so it was. it was a kind of it was a hastily arranged kind of thing . but it arranged kind of thing. but it was important at that time because it was a way in which the people all in british society was able to come to terms with the loss of life dunng terms with the loss of life during the first world war. and it continues to be important , it continues to be important, you know, right the way through to today , because it's a time to today, because it's a time for to us reflect on on the war dead on those who gave their lives and for us to contemplate that our freedom and prosperity , that our freedom and prosperity, it's not for free. people have sacrificed themselves so that today we can live in relative freedom and prosperity and what the cenotaph i mean , it's such the cenotaph i mean, it's such an iconic symbol. >> well, of our remembrance of those that have given all for

us. but what is the origins of the cenotaph? why why why is it so important ? so important? >> it's the origins. was that initially they wanted a centrepiece for the peace parade in july 19th, 19. and the idea behind the cenotaph , it's greek behind the cenotaph, it's greek for empty tomb. so it's a it's a tomb on on top of a of a pylon. and what the cenotaph ultimately serves is that during the first world war, the bodies weren't being of fallen soldiers. the service personnel weren't repatriated and many of the bodies weren't recovered . and so bodies weren't recovered. and so the people, grieving families , the people, grieving families, grieving people , they they grieving people, they they wanted some kind of physical, um , physical presence, some physical structure so that they can direct their grief, they can

direct their mourning. so it serves as a substitute for a grave of a grave not not being in existence in this country. you know , the soldiers were you know, the soldiers were buned you know, the soldiers were buried in in france or wherever they were belgium or wherever they were belgium or wherever they were belgium or wherever they were serving. so so it's an empty tomb that serves as a substitute for an actual grave , substitute for an actual grave, for the fallen servicemen . for the fallen servicemen. >> chris, chris, one final question. unfortunately, i have to ask this, because the protests are going ahead today . protests are going ahead today. do you think what is happening today with the palestine peace march going through london? do you think this will be remembered in history happening on such an important day as it is ? is? >> yeah, i think it will be a kind of a milestone a in an important event in terms of the history of armistice days .

history of armistice days. unfortunately, it seems it will probably be remembered for the wrong reasons. one of the reasons why fitzpatrick wanted this two minute silence was was so that people can recognise that there are things that are greater . there is that there are things that are greater. there is a common good and there's a there are things that are we must remember that there are things bigger than than ourselves and bigger than our divisions. and unfortunately, this armistice day is, is characterised with division. and that's ironic and that's sad. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> and that's chris, thank you very much for joining >> and that's chris, thank you very much forjoining us and going it they may be they may sound questions , but i sound stupid questions, but i think there is a lot of confusion. armistice day, remembrance people are remembrance sunday, people are confusing then we confusing the two. and then we have poppy day, which is a non—existent thing case. non—existent thing in any case. but newton. there but that's chris newton. there military defence military historian and defence analyst . thank you very much for analyst. thank you very much for joining chris now gb joining us. chris now across gb news today , we've been news today, we've been remembering the remembering those lost in the great war and every war since. but it's not just about them. it's also about who

it's also about those who survived, both survived, many with wounds, both physical and mental, and how we look after them. today, some veterans across the uk are struggling more than others with a lack funding support to a lack of funding and support to help find work and overcome help them find work and overcome the intensity and trauma of combat . dougie beattie reports combat. dougie beattie reports from . from. northern ireland. >> we have a saying you've never really lived right until you've almost died . it's a funny almost died. it's a funny feeling to it is because you have this nerves, excitement . have this nerves, excitement. and fear and it's just all rolled into one and it's a feeling that you're going to take the tip . take the tip. >> paul johnson is a veteran of

the 2006 battle of musa qala . the 2006 battle of musa qala. for 55 days, the royal irish were under constant attack from the taliban . the taliban. >> tiredness was was on the main things, right. but then you got into, you know , people getting into, you know, people getting injured every day, every time you go up into one of them. sangars you're getting shot at. i remember the whistle of the mortars and you knew whenever at the end of the whistle there was an explosion and that . whistle an explosion and that. whistle put the fear of god into people . put the fear of god into people. >> 17 years on these soldiers have had problems adjusting to civilian life. >> unfortunately , there's been >> unfortunately, there's been a lot tried to kill themselves and a couple who have . obviously of a couple who have. obviously of the nightmares at the have . it's the nightmares at the have. it's taken its toll on them.

>> northern ireland is 2.8% of the uk , but makes up 9% of the the uk, but makes up 9% of the british forces . it's the only british forces. it's the only veterans hostel is privately funded and robert mccartney . of funded and robert mccartney. of beyond the battlefield explains why during the good friday agreement the signing of the good friday agreement, there were 16 groups exempted from getting funding, and they were all the paramilitary groups. >> but the paramilitaries also insisted that the military were involved in the new funding groups. so as soon as the good friday agreement was signed and they then became community groups where we can become a community group because we are veterans as and as a result of that , veterans as and as a result of that, community get that, community groups get millions country . as millions in this country. as everyone's aware, veterans get very, very little. >> this hostel gives a real chance for those that give their all and more importantly, a place . to call home. place. to call home. >> when we got it, it was derelict. we spent 15 months really doing it up. now we

didn't get any funding to do it up. they got no government funding. we funding funding. we got no funding from anyone. basically it was anyone. so basically it was funded by social clubs, by football clubs and just private, private associations. and everything in there is basically recycled . but we've now got the recycled. but we've now got the ten bedrooms and we've got veterans living in here now who would normally either be in the street or probably be in prison . street or probably be in prison. >> dougie beattie gb news portavogie . thank you, dougie, portavogie. thank you, dougie, for that very emotional report there. >> right. let's cut across to some of our national reporters to see how you've been commemorating today. very important day . joining me now is important day. joining me now is our west midlands reporter jack carson . jack, you are our west midlands reporter jack carson .jack, you are at our west midlands reporter jack carson . jack, you are at the carson. jack, you are at the arboretum today , i believe. can arboretum today, i believe. can you tell us what's happened there today , today and how today there today, today and how today has been marked ? has been marked? >> yeah, good afternoon to you, dawn. the national arboretum. here is a figure piece really

all year round for remember , for all year round for remember, for many former armed service men and women who come here to pay their respects to the over 400 memorials that are here on this 150 acre site. now, today , on 150 acre site. now, today, on armistice day at the service which was attended by her royal highness, the princess royal princess anne, it was a very emotional time. there were a select group of veterans that were invited here to watch that service and, of course, take part in that service as well. and it was particularly poignant when the princess royal laid her wreath on behalf of, of course, his majesty, the king, and the royal family took a step back. of that wreath , of course, saluted that wreath, but then just took a slight moment think, all do, moment, i think, like we all do, when that minute's silence took place , just to reflect and just place, just to reflect and just to think, of course, about all those come before us those that have come before us and paid that ultimate sacrifice where we are now, this is the top of the of the arboretum. it's top of this hill. this it's on top of this hill. this is armed memorial. up is the armed forces memorial. up on walls inscribed around on the walls inscribed around me are people who

are 16,000 names of people who have lost their lives. and fallen since the end of the first of the second world war. sorry and it's a poignant reminder when you're up here and you're standing here and you're looking names and looking around at the names and you're the there are many you're seeing the there are many people, of course, this wall people, of course, on this wall who died afghanistan . who have died in afghanistan. and so for many people and many families coming here today , that families coming here today, that name on that wall is maybe the only thing they have in way of in way of a grave and way of a memorial to their to their son or of course, if they or daughter. of course, if they were unfortunately , if they were unfortunately, if they unfortunately were killed overseas . and now, i did speak overseas. and now, i did speak to a veteran, an afghan veteran , to a veteran, an afghan veteran, an lance—bombardier stephen gadsby. an lance—bombardier stephen gadsby . he spoke to me a little gadsby. he spoke to me a little bit earlier on about why remembrance to him is so important . important. >> just a time to reflect over over the years of remembering soldiers past and present. really why ones that have died overseas and anywhere else. and

obviously soldiers that, you know, have struggled to leave it away and come back and take their own lives . their own lives. >> i mean, have been >> i mean, have you been involved with the british legion? british legion? and how have the british legion? and how have the british legion role in in your legion played a role in in your life ? life? >> e.- >> personally, i've not really been of the british been a part of the british legion. not really had much legion. i've not really had much to with them personally , to do with them personally, apart from just day to day stuff with and for people wearing a poppy with and for people wearing a poppy that you see every year, people still come out. >> they wear their poppy with pride . and you know, what does pride. and you know, what does that veteran , of course, that being a veteran, of course, having it mean having served, what does it mean to you you other people to you when you see other people wearing a poppy ? wearing a poppy? >> yes. >> yes. >> so pretty much , as you say, >> so pretty much, as you say, most of the people just walk past you day in, day out. you don't really know who how many people actually support the armed forces up until this time of year when , you know, of year when, you know, everybody in the street walk past near enough is all wearing a poppy- past near enough is all wearing a poppy. so it's nice to know that even though people don't talk about it, there's a lot of people still do support people that still do support us along . along the way. >> well, you can probably see all me the people that

all around me the people that are here still paying their respects. now, there's not been a l respects. now, there's not been a , of course, since that a moment, of course, since that service morning where a moment, of course, since that servichasn't morning where a moment, of course, since that servichasn't been morning where a moment, of course, since that servichasn't been people1g where a moment, of course, since that servichasn't been people here iere there hasn't been people here looking at the names on the walls and of course, finding their loved ones, finding their relatives and just taking a moment of silence and of their own reflection to remember their loved ones . loved ones. >> jack carson, thank you very much for that report live from the arbitrary today. thank you very much for joining the arbitrary today. thank you very much forjoining us. you're watching and listening to gb news with me. dawn neesom lots more coming up on today's show. but first, let's take a look at the weather with jonathan. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met you've been met office. hope you've been enjoying the fine conditions pretty all of us have seen pretty much all of us have seen today. going to be turning today. it is going to be turning more though, as more unsettled, though, as we head and head throughout this evening and overnight. heavy rain overnight. a band of heavy rain sweeping in from the sweeping its way in from the southwest, pushing england southwest, pushing into england and southern areas of wales will turn windy coastal turn quite windy around coastal areas also bringing

areas here. this also bringing some conditions . so some milder conditions. so temperatures hotting up a touch more . but where we more overnight. but where we hold clear skies, hold on to the clear skies, further the further towards the east and the north, night to north, a very chilly night to come. certainly for come. some frost certainly for eastern north parts of eastern north eastern parts of scotland of northeast scotland and parts of northeast england . fog also england as well. fog also lingering these places lingering in these places throughout sunday morning could be to clear, perhaps be quite slow to clear, perhaps even into the middle even lingering into the middle of afternoon . eventually, of the afternoon. eventually, though, that allow for some though, that will allow for some sunny intervals across of sunny intervals across parts of scotland . but the rain will scotland. but the rain will gradually north gradually sweep its way north and eastwards during the day. actually, a band rain actually, a second band of rain filtering in behind with some further at times as further heavy pulses at times as well. temperatures quite cold where the fog lingers around mid single figures, but milder again in the south around 13 or 14 c. here it is going to remain unsettled as we head into the start of the new working week with another area low with another area of low pressure way pressure looking to push its way across areas the the across areas of the uk. the exact details of this still exact details of this are still a uncertain, it is worth a bit uncertain, so it is worth staying the staying up to date with the forecast . but there is the forecast. but there is the potential to see potential for many areas to see some course of some rain over the course of monday , turning really quite monday, turning really quite windy around coast of windy with gales around coast of the even in the far the south, even in the far north of as the middle

the south, even in the far north of of as the middle the south, even in the far north of of next as the middle the south, even in the far north of of next week the middle the south, even in the far north of of next week lookse middle the south, even in the far north of of next week looks likeidle the south, even in the far north of of next week looks like ale part of next week looks like a mixture sunshine showers . mixture of sunshine and showers. and for the rest your day, and for the rest of your day, bye thank you, john. bye bye. thank you, john. >> lots more coming up on today's show. a ground breaking post—brexit deal has been struck between the us and the uk to further the research into the holy grail of energy nuclear fusion, all of that and much more to come. i'm dawn neesom and you're watching and listening to gb news, britain's

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>> gb news. >> gb news. >> hello. good afternoon . you're >> hello. good afternoon. you're watching gb news. i'm tamsin roberts with the headlines at 230. a silence has been observed to honour those who've served in conflicts around the . conflicts around the. world on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month marking the end of world war i, the uk paused for armistice day. remember bring the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice . police increased sacrifice. police increased their presence to prevent disorder during the commemoration, but despite their efforts, scuffles broke out as people tried to gain access to the site. the met police says while the silence was marked respectfully without incident, officers faced aggression from

protesters in significant numbers. the force says they weren't part of one cohesive group and that officers are keeping track of them. there were clashes also, though, in westminster , a group was seen westminster, a group was seen running from parliament square towards police vans , chanting we towards police vans, chanting we want our country back. the met police confirmed a large number of counter—protesters were detained. it's believed they were also involved in the disorder near the cenotaph . disorder near the cenotaph. well, that all comes as a major rally is held in the capital. hundreds of thousands of pro—palestinian palestinian protesters are marching from hyde park to the us embassy, almost 2000 officers have been deployed across the weekend to prevent any violent behaviour . prevent any violent behaviour. well, those are the headlines and you can, of course get more on all of those stories . just on all of those stories. just visit our website, gb news dot com. now, though, it's back to dawn . for

dawn. for >> thank you, tamsin. welcome back to gb news saturday with me dawn neesom on your tv online and on digital radio. now a groundbreaking deal has been struck between the us and the uk to further the research into the holy grail of energy nuclear fusion. it means the two countries will share facilities, fund research and build shared supply chains for the complex fuels and other materials needed to achieve fusion. joining me now is research fellow at the energy department at imperial college and malcolm grimston malcolm , thank you so much for malcolm, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. now, ihave joining me this afternoon. now, i have to admit, i'm fairly clueless about this subject, so can you explain in idiots language basically for me what what's happening with this? what's going on? >> well, fusion is what powers the universe. >> it's the energy from the sun and from all the other stuff. and to make it work , you have to

and to make it work, you have to bash the smallest atoms. there are hydrogen atoms into each other with extra ordinarily high energy . and the way you get energy. and the way you get energy. and the way you get energy is either by high pressure, you get an awful lot of squashing or small area and they bash into each other or high temperature, which means there travelling very quickly and repel each other. and they repel each other. they're all positively charged . they're all positively charged. so the sun does it by having an enormous gravitational field and that the middle of the sun, the temperature about 15 million temperature is about 15 million degrees. c we on earth can't get those pressures . so the those pressures. so the challenge has been create something which will make fusion take place but at much lower pressure. most of the stuff around to do that, we have to run it about 150 million degrees. c so it's a machine which is ten times the temperature of the inside of the planet. we have demonstrated in the last year demonstrate that you can make energy fusion, but often the physics of it demonstrates that you can do it is if i dare say so, the easy bit. >> you've then got to build a

machine that can actually capture that energy and turn it into electricity. >> so that's the stage we are at the moment. the science is pretty much crude. we're at the engineering phase. of course, after we have to see after that we have to see whether we can make money, whether it is economically attractive some way attractive as well. so some way to this is all very exciting. >> so this it's good news, >> so this is it's good news, but not actually going to help us with our energy bills this winter . yeah, absolutely not. winter. yeah, absolutely not. >> i mean, they the project is almost a yes. very well put. no arguing with that. >> what the hope is that be a commercial version of fusion somewhere around between 2035 and 2040. so this is over a decade into the future . decade into the future. >> and of course to get to this because it's very expensive, doing basic engineering research of this nature , we do need of this nature, we do need international projects . when we international projects. when we were part of the eu, we were part of the project called iter , part of the project called iter, the international thermonuclear experimental reactor, where the eu was the main partner. then

china, india, japan , south china, india, japan, south korea, russia and the us were also involved. since we left euratom, which is the atomic version of the european union , version of the european union, which we left at the same time, we've been kind of associate members of iter, but this is the first time where we've signed a very clear deal with one of the partners to move forward on this and this stage of the project. >> so it sounds like it's going to be a very if we can get it up and running and it proves financially workable , well, it's financially workable, well, it's a very green form of energy . a very green form of energy. >> yes , absolutely. so it runs >> yes, absolutely. so it runs on a few grams of what we call tritium , which is one of the tritium, which is one of the versions of hydrogen . there's versions of hydrogen. there's loads of that in the sea . you loads of that in the sea. you can manufacture it quite, quite easily. you don't get long lived waste. i don't think the long lived waste from nuclear power is a particular problem. but although itself although the reactor itself isn't radioactive , all of the isn't radioactive, all of the stuff could escape. we wouldn't know. you're running a few grams of fuel at a time. so the

concept of we are very clear there. but on the other hand , we there. but on the other hand, we don't have materials that can easily keep things at 150 million degrees c so there's some development to go on that. but yes , it's always been the but yes, it's always been the holy of energy . holy grail of energy. >> and malcolm, before, before we get to this, as you say, the holy grail and hopefully we can make it work and make it work financially . how how? i mean , no financially. how how? i mean, no one seems to be able to answer this question. how possible is it united kingdom as we it for the united kingdom as we stand the moment, it for the united kingdom as we stand the moment , to rely stand at the moment, to rely entirely on green energy supply ? entirely on green energy supply? >> it depends what you mean by green energy. i mean, i'm a great believer in nuclear fission . i think we can be we fission. i think we can be we are building a major project in somerset at the moment with more to come. that gives you a source of that doesn't depend on to come. that gives you a source of oil that doesn't depend on to come. that gives you a source of oil tigasioesn't depend on to come. that gives you a source of oil tigas price,: depend on to come. that gives you a source of oil tigas price, doesn'ti on the oil and gas price, doesn't depend on import and is low carbon. the problem with the renewables , wind and water is renewables, wind and water is twofold really. firstly, there's not much energy. water or air

moving about compared to a chemical fuel like coal or even more nuclear. so we do need vast amounts of material, huge mining . and the second is that they don't come necessary when we want the energy with coal, with oil, with nuclear, we can be pretty predictable , very pretty predictable, very predictable as to when the energy is going to come. it's not always the case that the wind is blowing or the sun shining when our electric. wind is blowing or the sun shining when our electric . and shining when our electric. and at the moment we can't for electricity in in huge volumes that means that the more we have of solar and wind we also need backups of gas or something else that can take over when the wind isn't available . but also you isn't available. but also you get to a point where they're producing too much energy because too much energy on the system can be almost as bad a problem as too much. it blows. our electronic equipment might even wires. you then even melt our wires. so you then have paying people not have to start paying people not to produce energy when there is a lot wind. and that all adds a lot of wind. and that all adds to the cost. so i think it's

pretty much impossible to imagine that we do all of it with the traditional renewable source. it will probably always going to need gas as the fuel that most flexible. and would that most flexible. and i would argue we have a big nuclear argue if we have a big nuclear industry, kind get industry, we can kind of get the best worlds . but if it best of both worlds. but if it is reliable that doesn't leave us dependent on what's going on in russia or in france or saudi arabia and is low carbon as well i >> malcolm lama >> malcolm i mean , the word >> malcolm i mean, the word nuclear, i mean for my generation it was like it was , generation it was like it was, it was it was a scary word . i it was it was a scary word. i mean, how safe is this process if we can get it up and running, going to be? >> well, it's very difficult to imagine with fusion how you could cause a great deal of difficulties. you do need to store tritium, which is radioactive . and so they'll need radioactive. and so they'll need to be any industrial process . to be any industrial process. you need to be careful around it. but the volumes we're talking about normal operation, the are so small and the amount are so small and there's so much tritium naturally in the environment that that it's very difficult to

see how major problem we should bearin see how major problem we should bear in mind that nuclear fusion is the safest source of energy we've yet come with in a large scale . the fact that we can name scale. the fact that we can name the only three incidents where and in only one of those were they were there any offsite health consequences is a pretty remarkable thing for an energy source. been around 70 years. so fission very definitely has its part to play and fission is available now, which is the big issue . but fusion has a very, issue. but fusion has a very, very exciting future. and if we can sort out this issue of how we keep this stuff 50 million degrees, we know what it would look like, we've just got to do it. and if we can do that, then i think we're going be a very i think we're going to be a very valuable addition to other energy still energy sources which are still going to brilliant . going to use brilliant. >> thank you very much for making that so understandable . making that so understandable. that's malcolm grimston senior research fellow at the centre for energy policy and tech at imperial college london. thank you very much for joining us. now you are watching and

listening gb news saturday listening to gb news saturday with dawn neesom. lots more with me. dawn neesom. lots more coming up on today's show. the supreme court going to give supreme court is going to give its decision on whether the rwanda plan lawful. if it rwanda plan is lawful. if it isn't lawful, what will the government's next steps be? and if it is deemed lawful, haven't we just wasted a year and god knows how much money when we could have processing could have been processing migration claims all of that and much more to come . you're much more to come. you're watching and listening to gb news british news channel. don't go far .

patrick christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . gb news radio. >> welcome back to gb news saturday with me dawn neesom on your tv, online and on digital radio. now the supreme court is going to give its decision on whether the rwanda plan is lawful. if it isnt lawful, what will the government's next steps be and if it is deemed lawful ? be and if it is deemed lawful? haven't we just waited a year when we could have been processing those migration claims to not mention a lot of money? joining me now is international human rights lawyer david haye. david thank you. are you there? david yes, you. are you there? david yes, you are. david, thank you so much for joining you are. david, thank you so much forjoining us this much for joining us this afternoon. right okay. so we are expecting a decision on the rwanda plan . plan, i believe. is rwanda plan. plan, i believe. is it tomorrow or wednesday ? is it wednesday? >> wednesday morning. >> wednesday morning. >> right . okay. so can you tell >> right. okay. so can you tell me just briefly what what is

this case about and what are we hoping to hear or potentially hoping to hear or potentially hoping to hear on wednesday ? hoping to hear on wednesday? >> so it's essentially an amalgamation of certain parts about the policy , whether or not about the policy, whether or not the policy was effective , the policy was effective, lawful, and also it's a certain of individual cases which have kind of been linked together. so people that actually were due to be there . so it's these are be sent there. so it's these are processed all the way up through the court system our supreme the court system to our supreme court. there's court. so there's been the divisional , which you divisional court, which you could the court which could call the high court which found government the found for the government the court of appeal back in summer , court of appeal back in summer, found against government and found against the government and found against the government and found that the policy was unlawful on one point and that that effectively . lee if we sent that effectively. lee if we sent people to rwanda , that their people to rwanda, that their article three right, which is essentially in humane and degrading treatment was likely to be breached because rwanda may well just send them back to the country that they're originally from. now the suella braverman and the government

appealed that, and we will get that decision wednesday morning. okay >> and do you have any feel as to how it's going ? i mean, i to how it's going? i mean, i know that's a $64,000 question, but i mean, one would imagine i mean, generally in supreme court cases, it may not be the case in this one, but generally there isn't given . isn't a draft judgement given. >> so the government may well know certainly before. know it now or certainly before. i think it's, you know, from a pure human rights perspective when you're looking at what the issue is, are we relying on the assurance of a government, i.e. rwanda, that we will make sure everything is okay, which is what they said. should that be something that we can rely on? and if the answer to that is no, then it should go against the government . but i think it's on government. but i think it's on a knife edge . i think will go a knife edge. i think it will go against government . if that against the government. if that would be my kind of judgement call. we'll see. we'll see call. but we'll see. we'll see on wednesday. >> and david, if it does >> right. and david, if it does go the government , >> right. and david, if it does go the government, i go against the government, i mean, what is the next step ? mean, what is the next step? what is the answer to this, this

ongoing problem ? ongoing migration problem? >> well, i think, first of all, that will probably answer the question of bravermans future. i mean, else mean, on top of everything else this , i think this week, i mean, i think if it goes the government, this week, i mean, i think if it goes the the government, this week, i mean, i think if it goes the government's|ment, this week, i mean, i think if it goes the government's got tl, think the government's got a serious in terms of and think the government's got a seri ins in terms of and think the government's got a seri in terms in terms of and think the government's got a seri in terms of in terms of and think the government's got a seri in terms of becauses of and think the government's got a seri in terms of because even nd think the government's got a seri in terms of because even ifi not in terms of because even if it even if it does go for the it if even if it does go for the government on wednesday, you're going processes going going to see processes going to the european courts, you're going see issues, going to see other issues, you're see delays. you're going to see delays. you know, government know, if the government wins on wednesday, to wednesday, you're not going to see on see people on the plane on thursday. will not happen. thursday. that will not happen. and it's not thursday. that will not happen. and to it's not thursday. that will not happen. and to happen. it's not thursday. that will not happen. and to happen. event's not thursday. that will not happen. and to happen. even if not thursday. that will not happen. and to happen. even if they going to happen. even if they win any when suella win at any time when suella braverman is still home secretary , obviously, with the secretary, obviously, with the election coming up. so either way, whether they win on it's going to get up to the european courts. and if they lose , is the courts. and if they lose, is the effect of that. in any event , i effect of that. in any event, i don't think it's going to be much changed because apart from obviously encouraging perhaps more come because it's more people to come because it's a yet another of their policies that it's i think , not that fail. so it's i think, not looking like anything's going to happen either way, given that we've year of this government. >> right. okay so i mean, even even this goes the

even if this goes the government's way and they win, there are still potentially more legal arguments that can be had . legal arguments that can be had. >> absolutely. yes. i mean, so basically, once once you've exhaust the kind of domestic routes because we're still a member of the echr , the next member of the echr, the next route is over to europe and the echr , and particularly on this echr, and particularly on this case, because it's the actual main point on this case is whether or not article three of the european convention was breached. the court of appeal found that it was supreme court will decide whether it was or it wasn't, if it decides for the government . i'm sure that those government. i'm sure that those involved in the actual asylum seekers will be going towards the european court plus , as the european court plus, as these are kind of for want of a better phrase, test cases. so there's lots of other people in there's lots of other people in the even like i said, the queue. so even like i said, i don't see and add to that i just don't see and add to that the fact that you've got christmas the courts christmas breaks in the courts and things like and various things like that. we've a general we've got a general election coming don't see coming up. i honestly don't see anyone going there. this government at that is frankly , i

government at that is frankly, i mean, we have an ever growing backlog of claims to process us. >> so this could as you say, be kicked down the road for another yean kicked down the road for another year, another two years potentially ? potentially? >> i think so. i think i think if a european court going through that process, i think easily, easily up to a year and that's the kind of the current claims are in this this claims that are in this this kind of decision. mean, it's kind of decision. i mean, it's a it's kind of you know, on it's kind of a you know, on wednesday. but there are other people. so person that people. so each person that comes across , if they they comes across, if they they come across and they go through the court process, they their court process, they have their own right go through own kind of right to go through that process. not that process. now, that's not to say that if this decision is made that, yes , rwanda is a safe made that, yes, rwanda is a safe country, going to that is country, that's going to that is going to affect a lot of the other claims coming up, but not all so do you other claims coming up, but not all i so do you other claims coming up, but not all i don'tso do you other claims coming up, but not all i don't see do you other claims coming up, but not all i don't see anyone you other claims coming up, but not all i don't see anyone going know, i don't see anyone going in the next 12 months. okay >> so would it make a difference ? and this has been called for quite a lot. if you know, the united did leave the united kingdom did leave the european of human rights, european court of human rights, would make a difference?

would that make a difference? yes >> yes. and that that really is i don't think that that's something do. but i don't think that that's so the hing do. but i don't think that that's so the hing the do. but i don't think that that's so the hing the currentio. but i don't think that that's so the hing the current laws|t at the moment, the current laws we have that's the with the we have and that's the with the human rights act, which brings in into force european in into force the european convention on human rights with those and the those current laws and the current interpretation them, current interpretation of them, which which going which which isn't going to change time soon. i do not change any time soon. i do not see anyone going to rwanda. or a similar policy like that. we would need to leave. >> right. okay. and if we did leave, then we could put people on a plane to rwanda pretty much straight away . straight away. >> yeah, depending on what we mean . we're going to change it mean. we're going to change it with a bill of rights or whatever. domestic law, we change theory, yes , change it. but in theory, yes, we could. change it. but in theory, yes, we okay. right okay. and why do >> okay. right okay. and why do we so much stick in this we get so much stick in this country for whatever we try to do with the migration problem? whereas other countries don't seem to i mean, germany , we, you seem to i mean, germany, we, you know, they've they've used they've used army based as and even tents and things like that to house their migrants. no one criticises them. greece has a turn back policy on the on the

boats trying to come into greece . nobody criticised them. why is it britain the uk that gets so much stick for how we treat migrants ? migrants? >> i think a lot of not all the issues, but one of the issues is that we took the when tony blair's government was power, blair's government was in power, we european convention we took the european convention on human rights we put it on human rights and we put it into domestic which into our domestic law, which effectively means whereas before that happened , if you wanted to that happened, if you wanted to rely a european convention, rely on a european convention, right, you would go to right, you would have to go to the european court that. the european court for that. when human act when the human rights act was put means that the put in place, it means that the citizens the uk and people citizens in the uk and people that here can go to our that are here can go to our court to rely on the european rights. and that made it a lot easier people access easier for people to access those types of rights. and, you know, some might well, open know, some might say, well, open the for human rights the floodgates for human rights claims. haven't claims. other countries haven't done that. some some have. done that. some have. some have. and that might be one of the reasons all reasons i think there's all sorts reasons sorts of other reasons as well. but them. >> david, thank you very much. you haven't really cheered up you haven't really cheered me up . hey there. . that's david. hey there. international human rights . that's david. hey there. internatthankiuman rights . that's david. hey there. internatthank youan rights . that's david. hey there. internatthank you veryihts . that's david. hey there. internatthank you very much lawyer. thank you very much for joining us afternoon. also joining us this afternoon. also

joining us this afternoon. also joining me this afternoon the joining me this afternoon is the lovely nana akua who coming lovely nana akua who is coming up hen lovely nana akua who is coming up her. hello. a very up after her. hello. a very emotional day, obviously. what's coming up in your show? >> well, of course, we're going to be covering the so to be covering the marches, so we'll of we'll be bringing you lots of live of that. live coverage of that. >> got some very exciting guests. >> so we have an ex member of hamas who'll be joining us for difficult conversations. >> so we'll be talking his >> so we'll be talking about his very . and we very interesting. and we also have houston , whose half have whitney houston, whose half sister she was actually she started life as a man. she'll be talking to us as well for difficult conversations . so difficult conversations. so it'll be very interesting. she'll be live the studio . she'll be live in the studio. >> oh, brilliant get everything. >> so take our minds off >> so just to take our minds off all other stuff. >> so just to take our minds off all yeah. her stuff. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> us a little >> yeah. >> 5:00.a little >> yeah. >> 5:00. buttle >> yeah. >> 5:00. but we will at >> yeah. >> 5:00. but we will be: about 5:00. but we will be really going into protest really going into the protest looking at suella braverman. and is the thing is she literally the only thing keeping the conservative party together ? because they're together? because they're talking of talking about getting rid of her? madness? be her? what madness? that would be an and also, is she right to determine these marches as hate marches ? marches? >> right. >> right. >> absolutely fascinating >> okay. absolutely fascinating show coming up. don't want to miss it. and obviously, nana will be covering the end of the

march as well due to finish at five. that's it me for five. that's it from me for today. tuned because five. that's it from me for today.is tuned because five. that's it from me for today.is indeed tuned because five. that's it from me for today.is indeed upied because five. that's it from me for today.is indeed up next. cause five. that's it from me for today.is indeed up next. ande nana is indeed up next. and you've been watching and listening to gb news saturday with me. dawn neesom . thank you with me. dawn neesom. thank you so your company today. so much for your company today. really such an really appreciate it on such an important day. don't go anywhere, as you say, anywhere, though. as you say, nana next. but first, nana is up next. but first, let's look at that weather with jonathan. thank you. >> i'm jonathan >> hello there. i'm jonathan bawtree your gb news bawtree here with your gb news weather bawtree here with your gb news weat office. bawtree here with your gb news weatoffice. hope been met office. hope you've been enjoying conditions enjoying the fine conditions pretty much all of us have seen today going turning today. it is going to be turning more though, we more unsettled, though, as we head and head throughout this evening and overnight. heavy rain overnight. a band of heavy rain sweeping way the sweeping its way in from the southwest, england southwest, pushing into england and southern areas of will and southern areas of wales will turn windy around coastal turn quite windy around coastal areas here. this also bringing some milder conditions. so temperatures hotting up a touch more we more overnight. but where we hold skies, hold onto the clear skies, further the further towards the east and the north, chilly night to north, a very chilly night to come. certainly for come. some frost certainly for eastern north eastern parts of scotland northeast scotland and parts of northeast england . fog also england as well. fog also lingering in places lingering in these places throughout sunday morning could be slow clear. perhaps be quite slow to clear. perhaps even the middle even lingering into the middle of the afternoon. eventually,

though, will allow for some though, that will allow for some sunny across parts of sunny intervals across parts of scotland. but the rain will gradually sweep its way north and during the day. and eastwards during the day. actually, a second band of rain filtering behind filtering in behind with some further pulses at times as further heavy pulses at times as well. temperatures quite cold where the fog lingers around mid single figures, but milder again in the south, around 13 or 14 c here. it is going to remain unsettled as we head into the start of the new working week with area low with another area of low pressure to push its way pressure looking to push its way across uk . the across areas of the uk. the exact are still exact details of this are still a bit uncertain, it is worth a bit uncertain, so it is worth staying date the staying up to date with the forecast. the forecast. but there is the potential for areas potential for many areas to see some over the course of some rain over the course of monday really quite monday turning really quite windy with gales around coasts of south, even in the far of the south, even in the far north scotland well . the north of scotland as well. the middle week looks middle part of next week looks like sunshine and like a mixture of sunshine and showers. the rest of showers. and for the rest of your bye your day, bye

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