the new john lewis christmas advert and will ask how and why these adverts have changed over these adverts have changed over the years. all of that and plenty of chat with my panellist, author, columnist and presenter tanya buxton. but first an update on the latest news from aaron armstrong . very news from aaron armstrong. very good evening to you at 6:00. >> i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. one of the biggest political demonstrations in british history has now come to an end in london with organisers of pro—palestinian of the pro—palestinian march asking crowds to disperse peacefully. hundreds of thousands of people took part in the rally, which coincided with armistice day. people were marching park to the marching from hyde park to the us embassy in nine elms. they've been calling for a ceasefire in

gaza almost 2000 officers have been deployed across london this weekend to prevent violent behaviour . weekend to prevent violent behaviour. and while the pro—palestinian march appears to have passed peacefully, 92 counter protesters have been arrested amid ongoing clashes with police. the scuffles have taken place in westminster , with taken place in westminster, with the met saying the majority of arrests were to prevent a breach of the peace. it comes as the home secretary has been accused of stoking tensions and emboldening the far right. our home and security editor mark white, police are white, says the police are currently trying to disperse those crowds . those crowds. >> well, police have now moved in. they're trying to clear this main road going over westminster bridge. we've had protesters from both sides, pro—palestinian palestinian protesters and also these counter—protesters here. they have been clashing sporadically . as two groups have sporadically. as two groups have come together. but it's been pretty well contained by the metropolitan police and these

other forces who are here today on mutual aid. but it remains fairly tense , a bit volatile fairly tense, a bit volatile when people from time to time are coming together as they head for the tube station to head home. lots of police here in parliament square to be able to deal with any eventuality in the hours ahead. >> well, scuffles have taken place throughout the day. they broke out between police and counter—protesters earlier as protesters tried to gain access to the cenotaph . the met says to the cenotaph. the met says officers faced aggression in significant numbers , adding the significant numbers, adding the demonstrators were not part of a cohesive group. officers have been continuing to track those people and to try to monitor them . the events, though, did them. the events, though, did not mar today's two minute silence, which police say was respectfully observed .

respectfully observed. the uk paused on the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month to mark armistice day, the end of world war i, and to honour those who've served in conflict . world war ii veteran conflict. world war ii veteran john dennett says the servicemen and women who made the ultimate sacrifice must always be remembered. >> must never forget that >> and we must never forget that what happened years ago through all the wars that enabled us to be where we are , are like we're be where we are, are like we're lucky . and the kids i hope. lucky. and the kids i hope. i always said to the kids , without always said to the kids, without remembrance and remember it because if you don't it, you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for those lads who gave their life like and it runs into thousands. >> a mother who was found dead by her two children in

manchester has been named by police. perseverance in cuba was found with a single stab injury in little hulton near salford in the early hours of yesterday morning. the 35 year old was taken to hospital where she later died. police say a 45 year old man who fled the scene has been arrested on suspicion of murder and he remains in custody . and the funeral of a teenager who was stabbed on her way to school has been held in south london. ellie adams family and friends gathered to pay their respects to the 15 year old who was killed in croydon in september. a 17 year old boy has been charged with her murder and is due to appear in court next month. this is gb news live across the uk. i'll be back with more in about an hour's time. now it's over to . neil now it's over to. neil >> no good deed goes unpunished, but lying for the establishment is a path to success, to promotion and wealth. repeating

the establishment's lies, cheerleading for them, pushing and supporting whatever lies the establishment tells carries no damaging consequences for the liars, even when the lies are exposed and lies are always exposed. in the end, the liars shrug and move on to telling more lies, telling the truth. however, in this upside down world will never be forgiven . world will never be forgiven. still out there in perdition, exiled never to return to their old lives, to the restoration of the reputation they had before. are those who told the truth. exile for defying the establishment is a life sentence. but while lying carries no consequences for the liars, there are consequence faces all sorts that the liars never see coming. just as a for instance, the number of american parents deciding not to submit their children to the state recommended jabs is at an all time high. never has such a large proportion as much as 5% in some states opted to keep their child away from the needle. who could blame them? i'm not aware of a similar report here in the uk, but it's reasonable to imagine a parallel

trend , a hesitancy of trend, a hesitancy born of suspicion that those in charge of the medical those of the medical world. those making decisions are not to making the decisions are not to be . and once goes, be trusted. and once trust goes, it comes back . the world it never comes back. the world of medicine has made itself untrustworthy. the lying is everywhere now more and more people see the lies coming at them from all over. every day. the lying about the pandemic, the use of dishonest propaganda, the use of dishonest propaganda, the deceit and obfuscation, the nudging psyops , the threats nudging and psyops, the threats and bullying, the censorship and silencing dissenting voices silencing of dissenting voices are blatantly exposed . also are more blatantly exposed. also exposed is the truth of what some voices warned early in the debacle about the economic suicide of lockdown, about lockdowns , inevitable harms to lockdowns, inevitable harms to health, physical and mental, about unforgivable harms to children every day the lie about safe and effective , the 100% safe and effective, the 100% safety and efficacy we were told to trust in relation to those medical products promoted as vaccines is more obvious. and yet last week in brazil, the population was told that if they don't get their children jabbed with those products, they'll be denied state welfare. big pharma

was not even asked to test whether its products would prevent transmission of disease. the that was the entire the claim that was the entire foundation justification for foundation and justification for pushing those products, mandating them for health workers on pain of losing their jobs, pushing them on children for the from covid was for whom the risk from covid was so . it emerged at one point so low. it emerged at one point that 4 million doses would have to be given to million to be given to 2 million children stop a single children to stop a single admission intensive care and admission to intensive care and that the products would not stop transmission, that the benefits of wholesale jabbing of children were small , if not were vanishingly small, if not non—existent. the xxvi, the non—existent. that the xxvi, the joint committee on vaccination and immunisation, had discussed and immunisation, had discussed and acknowledged that the risk from the injectables of myocarditis and pericarditis, especially in young males, was real and serious was we know now information available to those dictating policy from before the beginning and yet still the people of this country and the wider world were bombarded round the clock with propaganda that those products were safe and effective , and indeed that to effective, and indeed that to refuse them was tantamount to

deliberately killing granny lies. i say all of this makes what happened , what was what happened, what was knowingly inflicted on the people of this country from youngest to oldest , youngest to oldest, unforgivable. when i was a child, fairy stories started with once upon a time. now they begin, according to experts . i begin, according to experts. i hold my hand up and say i was in the beginning as gulled as the next dupe, but in spite of that, for those first weeks, it never occurred to me that the government and others in authority would knowingly unleash us. and yet it unleash harm on us. and yet it becomes unavoidably clear that they did. that's precisely what they did. that's precisely what they did. that's precisely what they did. there's no denying they did. there's now no denying they did. there's now no denying the truth that they were informed of the harms that would be done, but that they went ahead there is the ahead anyway. right there is the reason why there have been and will be covid inquiry or no covid inquiry. no meaningful consequences for those responsible , all because the responsible, all because the appropriate consequences would surely see the highest in the land behind bars. for years, if not for the rest of their lives. and let's face it, that ain't ever going to happen in this

upside down world. you and i might face jail time for lighting a wood burning stove in winter or seeing a man can only be a man and a woman can only be a woman. but for setting in train events that killed, permanently injured or otherwise destroyed, known destroyed, never to be known numbers all that lies numbers of people. all that lies ahead bigger jobs ahead are honours. biggerjobs and bigger bonuses. no meaningful consequences for the liars. then and the same voices that lied about all of it have gone on to lie . i say about one gone on to lie. i say about one thing after another about the human impact on climate , about human impact on climate, about the building of a digital prison with ids, social credit with digital ids, social credit scores central bank digital scores and central bank digital currencies , about the in currencies, about the war in ukraine and most recently about the blood drenched hellscape of gaza. the blood drenched hellscape of gaza . the peoples of the world gaza. the peoples of the world are set at each other's throats and as abuse is howled between entrenched groups and sides, all manner of world changing mischief is plotted and acted upon by the usual suspects that never face the consequences of their actions . and while the their actions. and while the fires blood flows, fires burn and the blood flows, bill sees world health

bill gates sees world health organisation moves to centralised power. over 193 member states, including the uk . member states, including the uk. the same liars are lying about that, of course, saying the amendments to the international health recommendations are nothing at all to fear that no threat at all is posed to national sovereignty. but liars lie . that's what they do. i see lie. that's what they do. i see now, though, the liars are playing with fire. they lied about the war in ukraine and now half a million ukrainians are dead along side tens of thousands of russians as in april 2022. former uk prime minister boris johnson scuppered any hopes of early peace. the big lie about the west's involvement in ukraine was that it was about saving democracy. there but since that lofty claim was made, president zelenskyy has banned opposition, taking control of the media, stopped elections and most recently banned the thousand year old ukrainian orthodox church. from the very beginning , there were the very beginning, there were voices asking questions about that war, about that place and that war, about the involvement of the biden family business deals family with business deals there, about the way the united states pushed a coup d'etat in

ukraine in to get rid of a ukraine in 2014 to get rid of a pro—russian president and replace with one replace him with one well—disposed to washington about nazis in the ranks of ukraine's fighting forces. any and all questions about those matters and more besides, were loudly shouted down as some sort of treason. there's no doubting the truth now, though. it turns out there was no democracy to save in ukraine, just lucrative business concerns . at the time business concerns. at the time of his death in 1940, major general smedley butler was the most decorated marine in us history in 1935, he wrote a book called war is a racket, in which he declared , war is a racket. it he declared, war is a racket. it always has been. it's possibly the oldest , easily the most the oldest, easily the most profitable , surely the most profitable, surely the most vicious. it's the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives, weapons sent to ukraine by the west, mostly out of date store cupboard weapons , but good store cupboard weapons, but good enough for a veritable smorgasbord of death have since turned up many thousands of miles away, sold on the black market. what was always going to happenis

market. what was always going to happen is surely happening. russia will take the russian part of ukraine being the donbas seat of the civil war that raged from 2014 onwards, it will from 2014 onwards, and it will retain crimea and its access to the sea. that's what was always going to happen. and while without the west's contribution to the suffering , it might have to the suffering, it might have happened 600 days and half a million deaths ago. finally everyone is accepting that bloody inevitability. the warmonger , liars and warmonger, liars and carpetbaggers enriched by events in ukraine operated in the near certainty that pain caused there would not be felt in their own backyards . now they're playing backyards. now they're playing with matches holy land, with matches in the holy land, which a of different which is a horse of a different colour, ancient trouble. they're made of decades of wickedness is colour, ancient trouble. they're made stokedides of wickedness is colour, ancient trouble. they're made stoked ,ies of wickedness is colour, ancient trouble. they're made stoked , cry,»f wickedness is colour, ancient trouble. they're made stoked , cry, havoc,�*dness is colour, ancient trouble. they're made stoked , cry, havoc, bellows being stoked, cry, havoc, bellow the worst of them, and let slip the worst of them, and let slip the dogs of war. but fires that catch there will inevitably spread, perhaps out of control . spread, perhaps out of control. a siege, commentators warned that the resultant conflagration may consume in its entirety the state of israel . in any event, state of israel. in any event, tens of thousands of palestinians are being annihilated and any voice even

suggesting a ceasefire is to be silenced. but we here in the west are hardly beyond the reach of likely flames after decades of likely flames after decades of people in power, cynically and deliberately, making trouble for communities across europe and here at home in the uk, decades of meddling, of turning blind eyes to simmering hatreds and abuse, the populations of europe and also the uk are up to our ankles in petrol. the liars and their troublemaking servants are playing with matches again and the possible, perhaps inevitable conflict chances are plain see. are we to be plain to see. are we to be herded into civil war? holy war, world war? as always, ask cui bono who benefits when all that us weaponry billions of dollars worth was casually left behind in afghanistan ? it created in afghanistan? it created a massive, lucrative opportunity for the military industrial complex to replace it all. for hundreds of billions more dollars . ukraine was another dollars. ukraine was another sump soaking up more ordnance that had to be replaced on and on and on. a multi billion dollar merry go round of death. that never stops spinning. ask yourself what happens next?

there are rumours of a draft in the united states. will american sons and daughters be sent to die in the middle east? will years will mine and for what? here's the thing. if the liars don't want you to ask questions, it's because they're scared you might learn the truth. and the truth that it's all the truth is that it's lies all the way down . in with me throughout way down. in with me throughout the show tonight , author and the show tonight, author and columnist tanya buxton . tanya, columnist tanya buxton. tanya, do you think we'll ever get to the bottom of what happened in terms of the pandemic and everything else? >> i don't think we ever will get to the bottom of what happened the liars have happened because the liars have lied and they lie on top of their lies and they have other liars lying for them. but we must never stop digging and trying . to get to the truth trying. to get to the truth because this world is not fit for our children . and what's for our children. and what's been happening recently and it's

just come one after the other is not fit for our children. so we have dig and we have to fight have to dig and we have to fight . and of the heroes that . and some of the heroes that you're on your you're going to have on your sofa today are the people sofa here today are the people that should giving honours that we should be giving honours to and praising, because they are the truth speakers , the are the truth speakers, the truth seekers and those that have been vilified and ruined for it . for it. >> we are encouraged, aren't we as well? very insidiously to think that oh , are you still think that oh, are you still banging on about that? >> do you know how many times i hear that? do you know how many times i hear that in my day? and do you know what it does to me, neil? it makes me rage. it makes me rage because and i repeat some of those statistics that child infant head trauma increased by 1,490% at saint ormond street hospital. do you understand what that means? that means infants with their head trauma, they were smacked . at trauma, they were smacked. at 104, 1490 times more than they were before the lockdown. so don't tell me not to bang on

about lockdown. go tell that baby that was smacked in the head because you locked him down with his abuser for and that the fact that we still hear it's still out there, the safe and effective of now in the hole in the line—up of alleged missing affirmations to me safe and effective, which is still spouted from on high is the most egregious of them all. >> it really is. >> it really is. >> it'sjust >> it really is. >> it's just unbelievable. we now know i mean, a great example now know i mean, a great example now is what's going on with the astrazeneca vaccine. you know, it's been taken off the market. we know it's not fit for purpose. and yet the baroness, sarah is still keeping her title where is your title, neil, for speaking the truth. where is mine for speaking the truth and losing all the work i had for speaking the truth? where is it? >> said, as i said >> and as i said, as i said earlier, it's that idea that if you don't get punished for lying, don't get punished lying, you don't get punished for those if for telling those lies. but if you truth, you your you tell the truth, you your punishment lasts forever. forever even when it's revealed as the truth .

as the truth. >> yes. i mean, that's what's so mind boggling about the world we're living. as you said, it's an upside down world. mind an upside down world. it's mind boggling. but each of those people you know what's people now, you know what's making it's one of making me laugh. and it's one of the that molly's going to the things that molly's going to speak in book that the things that molly's going to spettry in book that the things that molly's going to spettry and in book that the things that molly's going to spettry and find book that the things that molly's going to spettry and find someone that the things that molly's going to spettry and find someone whot you try and find someone who agreed lockdown. now agreed with the lockdown. now i remember coming onto this station and talking about lockdowns were lockdowns and how bad they were and all the and fighting with all the polemic saying, you just polemic people saying, you just want you just want to kill granny, you just want to kill granny, you just want this. i'm saying no, want to do this. i'm saying no, lockdowns are wrong. they are going to more people. going to kill more people. they're to do more they're going to do more harm. but people were but those people that were arguing then you can't hear arguing me, then you can't hear them now. but not received. them now. but i've not received. not apology, neil. not not a single apology, neil. not once, once has somebody come once, not once has somebody come up to me and say, you what, up to me and say, you know what, tanya? were right. i'm tanya? you were right. i'm sorry. wrong. what sorry. i was wrong. that's what decent people do. >> i'm entain that it's so >> and i'm entain that it's so big. what was done the wrong is so that if it was to so egregious that if it was to be properly faced, would have be properly faced, it would have to mean jail time. >> my god. >> oh, my god. >> oh, my god. >> and the jail time would apply to highest in land. to the highest in the land. and that's won't happen. that's why it won't happen. we're never going to see that because to take on enormity because to take on the enormity of willingness, of it, there's no willingness,

there's anywhere. there's no spine anywhere. there's one to push that there's no one to push that claim. >> $- t- >> but we're pushing it somewhere the line, the somewhere along the line, the common man who's who's been done bad by this, the people who have you know, all the lockdown harms they're facing people with kids whose children are suffering from covid anxiety syndrome , from covid anxiety syndrome, which will stay with them forever. these people, they will start fighting . i don't believe start fighting. i don't believe that it's going to just get brushed under the carpet and then we got to then when just when we got to that point where it seemed that some sort of coalition was was there, that we were undoubtedly being lied to when story being lied to when the story started about the war in ukraine and there were questions , you go and there were questions, you go when war starts, it's your honour bound to ask questions about it. >> and that was instantly shut down. and people who had begun to be questioning about covid just stepped back into line and accepted the narrative about crane. and look at that narrative now. unbelievable. you know, the time magazine who had volodymyr zelenskyy as its person of year in december person of the year in december 2022, now carrying an

2022, is now carrying an article, has carried an article about i'm being delusional. how can those two statements about that man exist in the same logical universe? never mind in the same magazine? >> now wants to be a >> now nobody wants to be a conspiracy but . if you conspiracy theorist, but. if you just if you were, for example, wasn't the timing fabulous for that war? wasn't it amazing ? that war? wasn't it amazing? because what happened is you had these came together these groups that came together against against against covid and against lockdowns and then you had the war in ukraine, which divided some of these people. so any time it looks like people are going to stand together and fight for the wrongs being done, another things into the mix , another things put into the mix, which lose their which makes people lose their minds . and because of the minds. and because of the disinformation that we get constant, unrelenting from the media for from the established news environments that we used to think told us the truth, you know, i remember when i had a i had a tv show on there, discovery channel, and my mother said to me, that's nice, but it's not the bbc, because the bbc was the holy grail of where everyone wanted to be. and now

we know that have lied. we know that they have lied. >> know we know lied . >> i know we know they lied. yes, tonya, we're on a yes, indeed. tonya, we're on a break already. after which campaigner molly kingsley will be discuss her new book, be here to discuss her new book, the accountability deficit . the accountability deficit. she's taken an in—depth look at what happened during the covid pandemic. plus, we'll hear from gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. don't go away

news radio. >> welcome back. now, make no bones about my belief the covid inquiry is a whitewash and that nothing meaningful will come of it. so much happened in the years from 2020 onwards. so much that it's easy to forget the sequence of events. now, my first guess this evening has written a book that forensically lays out what happened. molly kingsley , co—founder of us for kingsley, co—founder of us for them, which is a team of grassroots campaigners that came together in 2020 to stand up for children . also joining us this children. also joining us this evening down the line is gb news

senior political commentator nigel nelson . but first of all, nigel nelson. but first of all, molly, what what did you learn by writing this book? >> it was funny because on one level, we learned nothing that we didn't know already , that we didn't know already, that this was a pandemic response that, you know, lacked at times all ethical guardrails that was reckless . yes, i think that's reckless. yes, i think that's probably a kind word that, you know, thought nothing about weaponizing fear and suppressing dissent. but then on another level , you know, they say the level, you know, they say the devil is in the detail. and some of the details that we came across, i think were really shocking to see in black and white. actually, the deficits of governance , of accountability , governance, of accountability, of ethics were shocking. and there was a lot in it that actually, you know, i've been relatively relatively on the frontline of it for three years now. and there's a lot of detail there that i didn't know. the there that i didn't know. so the opportunity to bring that to a wider audience is something i

feel quite excited about. >> i think as you almost said there, the book is the accountability deficit, which is there's a picture of the cover there. i was most affected . i there. i was most affected. i haven't been able to read it word for word, but i've had i've had a good look through it. and i've i think i've got the sense of it. what amazed me was seeing forensically the timeline. for instance, had not i could not instance, i had not i could not have testified the xxvi had already put it on record that they acknowledged that the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis was severe and real. that went out there, that that was known to the decision makers before. >> and i think this is exactly it, you know, in terms of what we learned, i think we learned that, you know, from the outside, we knew these decisions were terrible. we knew they were harmful. what we didn't know is that the people that actually often the people making the decisions either had thought that themselves previous or had been warned. and it's not

just about the vaccine. you know, the book is spans different areas, not just kids, but actually was the extent but actually it was the extent to which decision makers seem to have disregarded their own beliefs as the pandemic wore on, it was really appalling. >> joining us down the line, as i say, political commentator nigel nelson. are you there? nigel nelson. are you there? nigel good evening, nigel. thanks for joining nigel good evening, nigel. thanks forjoining us. what do thanks for joining us. what do you make of that assertion that there was fundamentally an accountability deficit? do you would you accept that as a description of what we just saw happen between 2020 and now ? happen between 2020 and now? >> i think they could there couldn't be any accountable party at the time because we're in the middle of a national emergency. so that was so that was problematic. i mean, i'm certainly not denying that mistakes were made. i think we had pretty lousy government had a pretty lousy government in charge anyway . we charge at the time anyway. we certainly charging people into hospital care homes and testing

the travel restrictions were probably useless , face masks probably useless, face masks were questionable . eat out to were questionable. eat out to help out just help the virus. so yes, mistakes were made. >> decisions were taken to put out into into billions of arms around the world, products about which serious concerns had been raised. now, surely it's beyond the accountable party that's required for those who knowingly took those decisions is surely of the utmost seriousness up there with malfeasance and malpractice, if not malice aforethought . aforethought. >> well, in a sense, that's what the covid inquiry will actually establish . and i think when it establish. and i think when it comes to the vaccines that we have to recognise that we had 150 million jabs given out in in this country, according to official figures, they may be disputed , but according to disputed, but according to official figures we're talking about at around 50 deaths as a direct result of vaccines. now that's less than the smallpox vaccine . vaccine. >> brit school now, what it

comes . to 50 >> brit school now, what it comes. to 50 and what do you make sorry , nigel. make sorry, nigel. >> molly, what do you make of that that that again, minimised the consequences? i think there are really serious issues with the tracking of the data for this jab. >> i don't thisjab. >> i don't think this jab. >> i don't think that's a secret at this point. i think the mhra has acknowledged that itself. i think the adverse events there is a suspicion are severely under reported. know under reported. we know autopsies aren't being done. we know, least with one of the know, at least with one of the vaccines, there serious vaccines, there are serious problems. that the vai problems. we know that the vai recognised the risk of myocarditis, particularly in young was real and young men. was real and significant. so i think to minimise that risk at this point does a huge disservice. >> and tonya, another statistic that sticks in my head is the is that sticks in my head is the is that for every that there was a serious adverse event for every 800 doses administered . yes. 800 doses administered. yes. then that flies in the face of any suggestion that it could only come down to 5050. >> but also let's let's just crunch it back to the basics. you're jabbing people with

chemicals that they don't need. they don't need this is the thing to go back. you can talk about death, this death, this whatever, whatever they did not need them. children did not need them. men didn't need them. young men didn't need them. young men didn't need them. need them. young women didn't need them. young women didn't need them. i jury's out whether whether you need it, whether you're over 80 or not. the reality is we were inflicted and mandated and it hadn't have been for people like the together declaration nhs would have . we declaration nhs would have. we wouldn't nhs staff wouldn't have an nhs staff because of this. >> molly what conclusions did you draw as a result of going back through the sequence of events? >> so i don't think mistakes were made. i mean obviously mistakes were made, but that isn't my conclusion in reading this. i think our conclusion was that actually the deficits in decision making go beyond anything that i would consider reasonable for a society that aspires to call itself a democracy . i aspires to call itself a democracy. i don't aspires to call itself a democracy . i don't think you can democracy. i don't think you can call yourself a democracy when you are censoring critics of your policy, when you are weaponizing fear, when you are using unethical and coercive

tactics to force an irreversible intervention on people that never needed it in the first place. this isn't what a democracy does. so i think our ultimate conclusion, my ultimate conclusion is, you know, i think if we want to call say we live in a democracy , we actually have in a democracy, we actually have to confront this reality . and it to confront this reality. and it wasn't the mistakes were made. we're different we're talking of a different order of harm and bad decision making here. >> nigel nelson, what do you make of that? beyond mistakes, beyond mistakes ? beyond and mistakes? >> well, the whole thing was go back to the fact we were facing a national emergency. so you can't expect a democratic process to operate in a normal way. and that situation , people way. and that situation, people overwhelmingly complied with the restrictions because basically they could see they made sense. but it came to national emergency . emergency. >> it wasn't a prima facie national emergency. i would contend that it was made into a national emergency , that there national emergency, that there was such a deliberate attempt

via propaganda, via the psyops and the nudging and all of the rest of it to persuade people that there was something there to be feared and which, in all honesty, was not as it was being described , and that that was described, and that that was malicious behaviour to on the part of those in a position to make decisions about our lives. well . 230,000 people died from well. 230,000 people died from covid. no, no, no, no, i can't let that figure slide. nigel the. >> let me just finish . >> let me just finish. >> let me just finish. >> and 7 in 10 of those that that was the death certificates i appreciate but 7 in 10 of those covid was the underlying cause. therefore the main cause the idea that this was no no big deali the idea that this was no no big deal i think is just ridiculous. you were talking about one in the 1 in 10 people who caught covid worldwide and ended up dying from it . the covid worldwide and ended up dying from it. the kind of position that the government was facing when it first started was they were actually talking about how they would get mass graves

together . they were talking together. they were talking about how to use ice rinks as as morgues . is about how to use ice rinks as as morgues. is that those things did not happen. but it doesn't mean there wasn't a real danger at the time. well i see it as a confected emergency . confected emergency. >> it was portrayed as an emergency that it need not have been so now, look, i think whatever you think of what covid was or wasn't , ministers are was or wasn't, ministers are still bound by core principles of public life. >> so we have the nolan principles, you know, duties to act with integrity, duties to be honest, to make decisions only on the basis of the best evidence . and you can you know, evidence. and you can you know, you can make an argument to say it was an emergency and during that emergency, the normal parliamentary safeguards were suspend . and don't think you suspend. and i don't think you can an argument to say it can make an argument to say it was key decision makers was for okay key decision makers to show such disdain for to have show such disdain for the principles they had signed up to public life. and what ever up to public life. and whatever and however bad was , if and however bad covid was, if thatis and however bad covid was, if that is what they did. so for me, i don't think you even have to into argument that and

to get into an argument that and you know, i like you, neil. i think the death figures from covid been inflated. covid have been inflated. i don't think don't understand why we think that's okay. and understate that's okay. and to understate it on the vaccine side, but that's okay. and to understate itdon'tie vaccine side, but that's okay. and to understate itdon'tie vacyyou side, but that's okay. and to understate itdon'tie vacyyou have side, but that's okay. and to understate itdon'tie vacyyou have to de, but that's okay. and to understate itdon'tie vacyyou have to get)ut i don't think you have to get into that to show that these were people that appeared to act without integrity throughout the pandemic. >> what going to pick this up again after the on the other side of another break at which point i'll also be joined by mike fairclough, who's got a stake in all of this, a former headteacher who was harassed and abused over belief that the abused over his belief that the children not served the children were not served by the covid measures. go away

radio. >> welcome back . my next guest >> welcome back. my next guest is a headteacher. a former headteacher from sussex, mike faircloth had been outspoken about freedom of speech and, perhaps more controversially , he perhaps more controversially, he questioned a lot of what was going on in relation to children in relation to covid. he resigned from west ryde school

in langney in september alleging discrimination, harassment and bullying by east sussex council . bullying by east sussex council. mike joins me now. bullying by east sussex council. mike joins me now . thanks for mike joins me now. thanks for joining us. i was aware of you . joining us. i was aware of you. you were you had been drawn a media attention, let's say, for your approach to teaching that would be fair to say, wouldn't it? >> yeah. yeah. so i've been a qualified teacher for 30 years and for the last 20 years, as the head teacher of west rise junior school at and when i started at the school, there were 179 kids. it grew to 365 children, 30 members of staff became 60 members of staff and but there was very kind of like low aspiration within the school because it was on like a it's on a council estate and some of the sort of some of the teachers at the time had a kind of sense of sort of, i feel a sort of sense of superiority and low expectations of children . expectations of the children. those people moved on and then started within about a year,

started within about a year, started to do some quite innovative stuff. and we discovered that there an discovered that there was an area of farm land opposite the school site, 120 acres of marshland , which was up for marshland, which was up for lease . so it was like, you know, lease. so it was like, you know, the like farmers were using it for like cattle, etcetera. and the local authority was looking for somebody to take it over. so i approached them and said, you know, this as part know, could i use this as part of my school? because it was also and were like, this, also and you were like, this, it's the of the it's also on the site of the second largest bronze age settlement in europe. right so phenomenal thing with like some of which are there of the artefacts which are there are in the british museum. it's that significant. >> so fair to say i would say that you sound like the sort of headteacher for that, that you were horizons literally were opening horizons literally broadening horizons. yeah. and that you were you have a holistic approach that you were concerned about the children in every conceivable sense every conceivable pastoral sense . so how why did trouble . so how and why did trouble start for you? >> right. so just to just to just to finish off on the on that first bit. so to just say

like the school and i gained some notoriety because we started doing lots of outdoor learning and the first school to really kind of like really push the whole forest school stuff . i the whole forest school stuff. i taught my kids to shoot for ten shotguns and air rifles , pluck shotguns and air rifles, pluck pigeons, skin rabbits, that kind of thing. we got a herd of water, buffalo for the children to look after and you know, throughout all of that time , throughout all of that time, whether ofsted or the whether it was ofsted or the health and safety executive or members of parliament or the media, apart from the like. so back in 2013, the mail ran a bit of a negative piece about me . of a negative piece about me. there was like this, you know, redneck headteacher gives kids guns and stuff. but what happened was the, the, the, the pubuc happened was the, the, the, the public headline came out in complete support of what we were doing because they were saying that's what kids need to be doing. they need to be outside building resilience, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. and even when of water buffalo when our herd of water buffalo would happened would escape, which happened regularly even ended up regularly and they even ended up down eastbourne seafront, down at eastbourne seafront, nobody was worried about it at

all. but it was when i started to speak out about lockdowns , is to speak out about lockdowns, is that things started to change. so going back over like fast forward now from, you know, this time when literally i could do anything from giving kids guns and knives and fires and all the rest of it to 2020. i remember when boris johnson said , many of when boris johnson said, many of us will lose loved ones and at the time it wasn't clear that covid was only going to affect like the most clinically vulnerable and elderly, etcetera , etcetera. it was like it was this india minute virus and i'd seen these videos and pictures coming out of china of people. now debunked videos. of course, people falling down dead in the street or the pile of bodies piling up in italy, etcetera. and i just thought, right, i need to close my school because , need to close my school because, you know, i've got like 365 kids, 60 parents. there's about sorry , 60 members of staff. sorry, 60 members of staff.

there are probably about 1000 people who i am responsible for. so the next day i went to school and i sent a message to parents saying, if you would like to keep your child at home until we know what's going on, please do. some of them did , some of them some of them did, some of them didn't. and interestingly, at the time, the biggest critics of me now were really critical of me now were really critical of me doing that then. and the reason was is was because we hadnt reason was is was because we hadn't been given permission to do that. no one in authority had said it's time to close schools or anything like that. so anyway , about five days later, there was a national school partial closure because no schools really closed completely . we had really closed completely. we had in lockdowns about 150 out of our 365 children on the site , 30 our 365 children on the site, 30 members of staff out of the 60 members of staff out of the 60 members of staff out of the 60 members of staff. so about 20 people on site. all all the time. and i was is still quite sort of paranoid . and i remember sort of paranoid. and i remember i got my guns from my mates farm and like said to my wife, who

was very level headed by the way, sundeep satara, her name is she was saying, look, i think you're really overreacting. and we've camp van, we've got this big camp van, fiat kon—tiki, which i filled with you know, with like pasta and, you know, all kind like survival all that kind of like survival stuff. and and, and then it was about three weeks into the, the sort of pandemic and looking at what was happening on the ground because i was with people and talking to parents who were working in the nhs at the local hospital as well and realised that nothing was really happening. and then chris whitty actually said , oh, children are actually said, oh, children are at extremely low risk of serious illness from covid and so is the vast majority of the population . vast majority of the population. so i thought, right, okay, so we're closing down the economy. that's going to have a catastrophic, a an effect on on people generally and particularly the most vulnerable . and it was as soon as i started to talk about that, i noficed started to talk about that, i noticed there was this sort of

kind of prickly atmosphere about it just to hurry up a little bit because of time. >> of course, you're also took a stance about the vaccination. >> well, that's the key thing. so i, i then as soon as the vaccine rollout came out for children, in fact, prior to it, i was already talking to molly by this point and know kept all of my campaign being aligned with reputable , reputable people with reputable, reputable people such as her and i started to talk about the covid vaccines for children . and i'd always say for children. and i'd always say the same four things. one in children are at extremely low risk of serious illness from covid. the covid vaccines pose known very serious risks. there's no medium at the time and still no term long term safety data for the vaccines. and a child could still catch and spread covid when vaccinated. therefore the risks from the vaccines in my personal opinion, outweighed any potential benefit and i was i received a huge amount of kickback for that . i was first

kickback for that. i was first of all, i discovered later that i was monitored by the counter disinformation unit. and i think that was a key part of what was going on. and molly's excellent book can i just can i just bring in this point? in nigel at this point? >> nigel, i would say, listening to you here is a is a very caring and engaged and teacher educator with clearly strong felt connection to, to the kids that he has been shut down, cancelled, persecuted, harassed seems to me indicative of the fundamental problem here, that he's being monitored by a disinformation unit. what do you make of that? >> well , i make of that? >> well, i mean, the counter disinformation unit should have done what it said on the tin, which was to counter disinformation . what was really disinformation. what was really important during the early days of covid is not to actually reduce public confidence with stuff that was just plain wrong. so it was meant to do what it wasn't meant to do is what divisions like mine and that that was overstepping the mark.

>> tonya, you've been listening. i can see from your body language how you're reacting. you know what i find, mike? to be indicative of something fundamental here, that someone exercising so much sensible respect and care to his children ended up on the wrong end of the of the establishment. >> but all the good people did because all the good people were honest speaking the truth, truly caring about the children in molly me . i used to be molly mike me. i used to be a primary school teacher. one of the things that made me go mad about lockdown and what really kind of turned me on is i remember thinking, oh, these kids that i to who kids that i used to teach who were neglected abused, were neglected and abused, they're in tenements with they're locked in tenements with these can't be these people. this can't be right. so anybody who spoke up spoke truth, vilified spoke the truth, was vilified and deal with it. this is and has to deal with it. this is why let this is why we cannot let it go. this is why we cannot let it go. this is why have to get to the bottom why we have to get to the bottom of it. those that told lies have to be brought up in front and be judged. mike where do you go from judged. mike where do you go frorright. judged. mike where do you go frorso.�*|t. judged. mike where do you go frorso. so can i just add so i >> so. so can i just add so i was invested, stated i was

reported three times for expressing my lawful opinion about for about the covid vaccines for kids. investigated three kids. i was investigated three times, across the board times, cleared across the board three times. and on the last occasion i was was reported to the department for education's counter extremism division. so i was cast as an extremist. so was so was molly . was cast as an extremist. so was so was molly. i'm just running. >> i'm just running out of time here. i'm going to have to go into another break. thanks so much for all that. i just i'm much for all of that. i just i'm also obligated say there's a also obligated to say there's a statement from the council, east sussex we're statement from the council, east susse)that we're statement from the council, east susse)that mr we're statement from the council, east susse)that mr fairclough'e're statement from the council, east susse)that mr fairclough has aware that mr fairclough has made claim to the employment made a claim to the employment tribunal. the county council has submitted to claim submitted a defence to the claim and inappropriate and it would be inappropriate for comment further. for us to comment further. so that's you that's that's their, you know, that's their contribution to the, to their contribution to the, to the conversation. but where do you from here after 20, 30 you go from here after 20, 30 years teaching? years of teaching? >> i've been blacklisted from >> so i've been blacklisted from the pve the education sector. i've been i'm author of three i'm also an author of three books, rewilding childhood was my one, but i've been my last one, but i've been blacklisted the mainstream blacklisted from the mainstream publishing world as well. so i've just started a substack you can google it. mike fairclough

substack . ask anyone who's would substack. ask anyone who's would like to support that that would be fantastic. i'm putting a lot of my work is now about how to inspire other people to speak out. so it's not about moaning, about the past. how do we empower those who've self—censored out of fear of reprisals to be able to speak about politically sensitive and controversial topics? and i think that's where we need to go i >> -- >> hear you loud and clear, mike. thank you forjoining us mike. thank you for joining us tonight. go to go into this break. time is against weeks after which something very different. john lewis christmas ad for 2023. yes. did hear ad for 2023. yes. you did hear me back in a couple of me say that back in a couple of minutes

welcome back. change of pace. it's the christmas season and the ads are on the telly. always there is something heavily publicised from john lewis and this year's effort focuses on a

single parent family and a venus fly trap , if you can believe it. fly trap, if you can believe it. and its message is that traditions evolve. here's a look . love it on a first. >> i love eterna festa la vita. una festa . for years . i've every girl love well . last i've every girl love well. last in i feel like i'm having an out—of—body experience. >> i'm joined by matt bourne from the advertising agency to discuss how christmas messaging has evolved over time. hello, matt. thanks for joining

has evolved over time. hello, matt. thanks forjoining me . how matt. thanks forjoining me. how how how did we get away from i remember, you know, the holidays are coming , remember, you know, the holidays are coming, you remember, you know, the holidays are coming , you know, the santa are coming, you know, the santa claus, the you know , the claus, the you know, the whatever, the lorry coming through the winter countryside that was connected with so many people. got to venus people. how have we got to venus flytraps . flytraps. >> i'm really sorry, neal, but i can't hear you. you can't hear me? okay. see you speaking . me? okay. see you speaking. >> but can you hear me now? matt no, i don't think matt can. tonya what do you what's your reaction to that? you know , is reaction to that? you know, is that christmassy? >> no, it's not christmassy. and it's indicative of the breakdown of the family, which is really part of the cause of a lot of the problems that we have now. you know what? christmas should be about is, family. where be about is, is family. where was the where's the man in this? where is the male role model in this? >> i think we've got i think we've matt back. matt, i was we've got matt back. matt, i was wondering how, you know, when the message pretty the christmas message is pretty simple, and is simple, you know, and it is about family. it is about togetherness. it's, you know,

how to, know, how do we get to, you know, making a single parent making the focus a single parent family and venus flytrap family and a giant venus flytrap . creative route of telling an emotional story which connects with an audience, connects with the audience, creates. >> i think when we look at christmas ads, we see them as part of popular culture and it and it creates a conversation and it creates a conversation and people look to see whether they can connect with it and identify with it. it is interesting. i talked about it with colleagues and said, you know, obviously i'm a father and i don't necessarily sort of see myself in that storyline. but one of my colleagues said , well, one of my colleagues said, well, it's interesting because, you know, my dad wasn't around when i was a young a young girl. know, my dad wasn't around when i was a young a young girl . and i was a young a young girl. and actually i really saw myself in that ad, so and i think that's kind of what happens with with ads generally is we look at them and we try to find something in them that connects with us. why

is it always christmas? >> why does there always seem to be some necessity to do something different that takes away from the everyone focuses on certain things at christmas time and yet adverts and a lot of the rest are around the culture seems to be encouraging people to not look at those things at all and to think about it differently. why should we think about christmas differently? >> so the top five ads at the moment that are most in best with the for public four of them have got father christmas in. and when you look at what they are, all about, they're about kindness , about giving, about kindness, about giving, about gifting, about sharing , thinking gifting, about sharing, thinking about other people . so i think about other people. so i think what you what you mean . if you what you what you mean. if you look at an ad break at the moment with christmas ads, there's tens of different types of stories in those ads. and i think you'll see just running at a time.

>> matt, i'm sorry we lost you at and i've run at the beginning and i've run out time. you're very good at out of time. you're very good at selling the concept. i do appreciate your time this evening. that's all from me this week. guests. it's week. thanks to my guests. it's specially brilliant specially to my brilliant panellist, tanya next panellist, tanya buxton. next up, five. panellist, tanya buxton. next up, you five. panellist, tanya buxton. next up, you soon. five. see you soon. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met of that met office. those of us that hold on to clear skies overnight do have the chance seeing do have the chance of seeing the aurora. keep an out. aurora. so keep an eye out. unfortunately for southern areas of it is of england and wales, it is going turn increasingly going to turn increasingly cloudy this band of rain cloudy as this band of rain pushes could be some pushes its way in. could be some heavy at times. also heavy pulses at times. also quite particularly along quite windy, particularly along coastal rain, though, coastal areas. the rain, though, feeling air. so feeling in some milder air. so temperatures holding a temperatures here holding up a touch more overnight. but where you the skies you hold on to the clear skies across northeast england into scotland, very chilly scotland, it will be very chilly with some frost. also, these locations some fog locations seeing some fog forming and that will provide forming and that will provide for quite start to for quite a murky start to sunday morning. it could be quite clear, lasting quite slow to clear, lasting until the start of the afternoon. in some places. but onceit afternoon. in some places. but once it does leave, it's way off. will some sunny off. there will be some sunny spells for scotland and northeast england. elsewhere, spells for scotland and nortband england. elsewhere, spells for scotland and nortband enrainid. elsewhere, spells for scotland and nortband enrain pushing here,

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