nana. latest news with tatiana. nana. >> thank you very much and good afternoon. it's 3:00. this is the latest from the newsroom . the latest from the newsroom. the king has led the nation observing a two minute silence on remembrance day , honouring on remembrance day, honouring fallen soldiers . the prince of fallen soldiers. the prince of wales was among the senior royals to stand behind king charles with the monarch wearing the uniform of the marshal of the uniform of the marshal of the royal air force. he then laid a wreath similar to the one produced for king george the sixth. the prime minister labour leader and former pms were also at the cenotaph in central london, joined by other senior politicians and dignitaries . the politicians and dignitaries. the met police says its actively investigating possible cases of hate crime following yesterday's armistice day disorder . hate crime following yesterday's armistice day disorder. hundreds of thousands of protesters , of thousands of protesters, pro—palestinian protesters marched through central london, which led to pockets of violence . nine officers were injured , . nine officers were injured, 126 people arrested , including

126 people arrested, including 92 right wing counterprotest leaders. the force released images of people it would like to speak to after they were pictured carrying anti semitic placards . british transport placards. british transport police is also investigating a racially aggravated altercation at london waterloo and has released photos of four men. it's trying to identify. authorities also want to speak to a woman over an alleged anti—semitic hate crime at victoria station . the home victoria station. the home secretary who attended today's service at the cenotaph is being blamed for stoking tensions dunng blamed for stoking tensions during the pro—palestinian protests during the week. suella braverman described the demonstrators as hate marchers , demonstrators as hate marchers, as she accused the police of bias for allowing yesterday's rally to go ahead on remembrance weekend . and scottish first weekend. and scottish first minister humza yousaf is among the growing chorus of voices calling for her to go. >> i'm afraid that the home secretary's position , in my secretary's position, in my view, is untenable. she should, in fact not even be allowed to

resign. she should just be sacked by the prime minister because no home secretary should because no home secretary should be fanning the flames of division in quite the opposite . division in quite the opposite. >> defence secretary grant shapps has defended his cabinet colleague job as home secretary is to make sure that quite properly that the powers exist and the powers are then used within the operational independence of the police to make sure that march is and protests are properly policed and where the laws have been broken, as they clearly have beenin broken, as they clearly have been in some cases, that those prosecutors actions take place, that that is what a home secretary is there for. >> now, i wouldn't quite put it in her language. it's not the language i would have used, but the point still stands . the point still stands. >> a man has been charged with the murder of a mother who was killed in front of her children in manchester. perseverance in nick gibb was found with a single stab wound to the chest in the early hours of friday

morning . she later died in morning. she later died in hospital for 35 year old herbert moyo has also been charged with possession of an offensive weapon. he's due in court tomorrow . where the warnings tomorrow. where the warnings have been issued for northern ireland, england and parts of wales. as storm debbie approaches the fourth storm of the season. heavy rain and gale force winds with gusts of up to 80mph are expected earlier this month. storm ciaran caused widespread flooding . the met widespread flooding. the met office says yellow alerts come into force from 3:00 tomorrow morning, ending at 6:00 in the evening . and iceland is evening. and iceland is preparing for a volcanic eruption after being hit by a series of earthquakes over the last few days. authorities say there's evidence of magma spreading rapidly underground and in the island's southwest. around 3000 residents had to evacuate from a nearby town last night. one of the most popular attractions of the island, the blue lagoon spa , has also been

blue lagoon spa, has also been forced to close . this is gb news forced to close. this is gb news across the uk on tv. in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to nana . play gb news. now back to nana. >> thank you, tatiana. it's just coming up to five minutes after 3:00. this is a gb news we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua coming up, i'll be speaking to gb news reporters across the country as we celebrate remembrance sunday the king led the nation in a two minute silence to honour fallen soldiers. king charles was joined by other members of the royal family as well as the prime minister and dignitaries from commonwealth. he from the commonwealth. and he laid wreath at the cenotaph in laid a wreath at the cenotaph in the capital to mark remembrance sunday i'll be asking as well as we go head should the we go head to head, should the police granted powers to stop police be granted powers to stop marches? saw marches? yesterday we saw protesters climb a world war one memorial at wellington arch as the march took

the pro—palestinian march took place in london on armistice day. is it time for the police to be given more powers to stop these sort of marches going ahead on significant national days? then, does italy's migration proposal give the green light for rwanda up to 3000 migrants a month are expected to pass through a migrant facility in albania whilst asylum applications are assessed by officials in rome. so the question is, does italy's migration proposal give the green light for the uk's rwanda plan ? and then with a future plan? and then with a future labour government drive away, the wealthy , will it do that? the wealthy, will it do that? rich britons are fleeing to the uk from the uk to places like florida in fear of the heavy taxes being introduced under a future? starmer led government. there's reports that a lot of wealthy britons could be relocating to florida in the us, which has no income tax or inheritance tax and has one of the largest populations of the british expats. so will a future labour government drive away the wealthy and then are 13 million

a year diversity visas needed in the nhs? the health secretary , the nhs? the health secretary, steve barclay, has told nhs chiefs to stop promoting woke ideology as up to 13 million is being spent on equality. diversity and inclusion roles all across the trust in this uk in the uk. so our £13 million a year diversity starts needed in the nhs . that's not they don't the nhs. that's not they don't get paid that individually, that's collectively. all of that coming up. tell me what you think as f1 everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. right so it's time to go head to head in a clash of minds. so on the menu, we start with king charles and other members of the royal family. before we do that, as well as the minister and political the prime minister and political party leaders, they've said they've wreaths at the they've laid wreaths at the cenotaph morning part of they've laid wreaths at the cen remembrance�*ning part of they've laid wreaths at the cen remembrance sunday part of the remembrance sunday commemoration to remember britain's our reporters

britain's fallen. our reporters have around country have been around the country covering morning . covering the event this morning. so joining me now, let's start with royal correspondent, with our royal correspondent, cameron walker . cameron, you cameron walker. cameron, you were horse horse's guard were at horse horse's guard parade . how was that? parade. how was that? >> you know, it was incomplete contrast to the scenes we saw in central london yesterday with the protests and the counter protests. yet today was all about camaraderie, solidarity and silent remembrance and i think the king and the royal family leading those tributes out on whitehall at the cenotaph today was really quite poignant. actually and the close to 10,000 veterans, as well who were marching along and the veterans marching along and the veterans march past had royal salutes from princess anne, the princess royal as well. they were saying to me earlier that it it's really good being part of this family of armed service personnel and former armed service personnel who have been through similar experiences and can support each other through the tough times . so it was it the tough times. so it was it was a really kind of sombre but also poignant day for them .

also poignant day for them. >> we pomp and ceremony so well, don't we? i mean, it must have been such a beautiful but been such a beautiful event. but i can been such a beautiful event. but ican bofis been such a beautiful event. but i can boris johnson there as i can see boris johnson there as well. unmistakeable. well. that unmistakeable. he's coming on gb coming to join us live on gb news. was your feeling news. what was your feeling being there? obviously being there? because obviously we've whole armistice we've had this whole armistice day . it was overshadowed, in my day. it was overshadowed, in my view, all of these marches. view, by all of these marches. are you? i'm really pleased to see focus now squarely see the focus now squarely on remembrance sunday >> yeah, and i think the focus was on remembrance was very much on remembrance sunday. mean we had the king sunday. i mean, we had the king street royal horse artillery fired to start the two fired the guns to start the two minute silence. there was minute silence. and there was veterans, there was people from all so you had d—day all ages. so you had d—day veterans there, but you also had some young children from a charity scotty's little charity called scotty's little soldiers, supports kids soldiers, which supports kids who've lost a parent through armed conflict. so you know, it really was a mix of people and diverse mix of people on whitehall. and you just see the scenes there on your screens now. it was silence and it was respectful. everyone was respectful. everyone was respectful and just kind of reflecting in moments reflecting in the moments honounng reflecting in the moments honouring those who fought for our freedoms and for the country

we live in today. >> beautiful ceremony. it's so nice to see everyone just standing in silence like that and everything. let's go live to enniskillen. have a chat with dougie beattie. who is there? dougie, was it like there ? dougie, what was it like there? >> well, good afternoon . and >> well, good afternoon. and yes, it was a very sombre occasion here in enniskillen, but it was also very, very wet indeed. but it was also very, very wet indeed . but enniskillen, of indeed. but enniskillen, of course , holds other scars of course, holds other scars of remembrance day. the enniskillen bomb going off here in 1987. dunng bomb going off here in 1987. during the remembrance day service that killed 12 and injured 63. so there was many dignitaries here today, including the secretary of state for northern ireland, chris heaton—harris. john bucha, the new chief constable , and rather new chief constable, and rather strangely, but well in recent years was the taoiseach the irish premier, leo varadkar. most people forget that during the first world war, ireland was as one. it was part of the uk. there was no border here and not

one village in ireland did not feel a loss of losing a young male in the first world war and they were very much ignored right up to about the 1990s when the president of ireland, mary robinson, really took it under her wing to try and engage with us and correct that wrong. and ever since then we have really had a taoiseach come to northern ireland to lay wreaths and to respect the dead , the irish dead respect the dead, the irish dead that were lost in the first world war. so quite a day for enniskillen . the weather wasn't enniskillen. the weather wasn't with us, but all in all, a very sombre and respectful day. >> thank you, dougie. let's go over live to birmingham and have a chat with jack carson. jack, what's it been like where you are ? are? >> well, it was really impeccably attended. and also a well respected service as well, particularly those two minutes of silence. really poignant as birmingham. the whole of birmingham. the whole of birmingham seemed to seem to

fall silent at 11:00. the barriers were packed with people that are coming to pay their respects. but also watch, of course, the fantastic military parade that we saw. we saw members of the of the fusiliers , members of the of the fusiliers, of the army, of the navy, of the marine corps and the royal air force as well, who then all, of course, the salute from the course, took the salute from the from the lord lieutenant on the stage well. but course, stage as well. but of course, speaking to some those people stage as well. but of course, sp(i|king to some those people stage as well. but of course, sp(i did; to some those people stage as well. but of course, sp(i did earlier,1e those people stage as well. but of course, sp(i did earlier, ia those people stage as well. but of course, sp(i did earlier, i spoke)se people stage as well. but of course, sp(i did earlier, i spoke to people as i did earlier, i spoke to major noel hannan of the royal corps of signals alan corps of signals and also alan evans, who's only a veteran evans, who's not only a veteran of the royal corps of signals, but he was also the parade marshal today for the veterans that took the salute as well. here's of them me here's what both of them told me a little earlier on. well a little bit earlier on. well i live in birmingham now. >> lived in birmingham >> i've not lived in birmingham for long. but, know, for too long. but, you know, it's of very welcoming it's sort of a very welcoming city. wherever it is that i city. and wherever it is that i am at that point in time, i always come to the remembrance service. spent service. so i've spent remembrance iraq and remembrance sunday in iraq and afghanistan was afghanistan over the time i was there. and it's very, very important day for me, very important day for me, very important come down important to come down here, particularly, what's particularly, you know, what's going the

going on in the world at the moment. know, you come down moment. you know, you come down here today, there's no politics, there's no protest. it is there's no protest. it just is what is. you know, we're just what it is. you know, we're just to here what you to here remember what for you did during those did you think about during those minutes of silence? i think about friends who lucky about friends who aren't lucky enough not be able enough to be here, not be able to be with families and to be with their families and partners that's what partners today. that's what that's thinking. i'm that's what i was thinking. i'm fortunate parade fortunate to be the parade marshal . the veterans. my role marshal. the veterans. my role is assess bubble and then is to assess bubble and then march them through to in front of the uniform personnel every year. of the uniform personnel every year . it's an of the uniform personnel every year. it's an honour. the of the uniform personnel every year . it's an honour. the actual year. it's an honour. the actual parade today went really well. a lot of veterans turned up and even more veterans were in the crowd . good to . see it was crowd. good to. see it was a good parade. all horrible weather, but nobody bothers about the weather when you're marching. >> it was such a fantastic sight to see the veterans, particularly when they marched around as part of the parade at the end of the service and took that salute because birmingham has such a proud military

history world war i, more history in in world war i, more than men boys from this than 8000 men and boys from this city over france and city went over to france and belgium fight in the belgium to fight in the trenches. of course , when trenches. and, of course, when you got to the second world war, as of the beating heart of as part of the beating heart of the uk's industry, this of the uk's industry, this was, of course, bombarded course, heavily bombarded by nazi bombers as those manufacturing took place in this in this city and the surrounding areas, of course, to try and help out the troops, of course, trying continent . so this trying on the continent. so this this has such a history. this place has such a history. of course, the west midlands in general, the arboretum, of course, yesterday. so all weekend west weekend here in the west midlands as part of these acts of remembrance, they've not only been impeccably respected been impeccably well respected and attended, but also those solemn feelings and that humbling feeling as you heard there the from the there from the from the veterans, that veterans, particularly that attended have attended this event, have been strong here in the city. >> thank you very much, jack. and he's and finally, theo chikomba, he's national reporter. theo, where are you ? are you? >> yes. well very good afternoon. so i'm in chelmsford in essex and hundreds of people came here to the heart of

chelmsford at duke street. and just to my right, there's a memorial here. and young people and veterans and more laid wreaths here just after the two minute silence was held here just after 11 am. there are people from across the county, just as we've seen across the uk. and we spoke to some of them after the service . and this is after the service. and this is what they had to say . what they had to say. >> i think it's fantastic. i've only started doing it for the last five years, maybe six years, and it's really good. i think myself . i years, and it's really good. i think myself. i think years, and it's really good. i think myself . i think it's think myself. i think it's what's needed, you know , we're what's needed, you know, we're all the same. we all bleed the same. we're all doesn't matter. white, black, whatever you are, we are all part of this world. so as far as i'm concerned, the people who are giving their lives for our freedom, for i can't give them half our standing in the rain like yourselves , you know? lovely day

yourselves, you know? lovely day . well, every year we come to the cenotaph to. to remember the fallen and those of us we. i have relatives who are in the forces serving today. and so i'll make my mark each year and it's something we need to remember. we shouldn't forget it. and each year i see it as my duty to do it. and i come to do it every year without fail, no matter what the weather. oh, oh. >> i thought it was really great. it was quite a good time to, like, reflect and think about people who died and stuff. like hence the and the cold like hence the rain and the cold and everything. but were and everything. but we were standing right of was standing right in front of was it raf cadets? which is it the raf cadets? which is really because could see really cool because we could see them focusing and we saw them like focusing and we saw them like focusing and we saw the cannon fire as well, which was really interesting actually . was really interesting actually. >> so i was i was like chatting to nana and then i suddenly and i heard there there were people from all ages, all backgrounds who here in chelmsford . who were here in chelmsford. >> and that service we

>> and during that service we saw today poetry was read out reflecting on those who have served for this country and those who are serving at the moment to reflect on the freedoms that this country has in this day and age. and as we heard from some of those people, they're saying this is now something i'm going to be doing every single year to remember those have given those who have given the freedoms we today . freedoms that we enjoy today. >> so much, theo , jack >> thank you so much, theo, jack and dougie and cameron. thank you that's what's been you all. so that's what's been happening country happening across the country here in the uk with remembrance sunday if you just tuned in, welcome on board this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana queer. of course. it's time to head course. now it's time to go head to head for a clash of minds. and joining me do that, and joining me to do that, i have fabulous ben habib and have the fabulous ben habib and denis and the first denis macshane and the first question be now should the question would be now should the police given powers to police be given more powers to stop protests? we saw the stop the protests? we saw the protests as they or protests as they were, or today's peaceful and today's a lovely, peaceful and calm which is wonderful. calm day, which is wonderful. and seems they've and it seems that they've honoured it's honoured the fact that it's remembrance sunday we saw remembrance sunday but we saw

the yesterday i going the scenes yesterday. so i going to first, ben habib, is to ask you first, ben habib, is it should, should should it should, should, should should the police have more powers? because apparently they don't the police have more powers? beca|the apparently they don't the police have more powers? beca|the powerntly they don't the police have more powers? beca|the power toy they don't the police have more powers? beca|the power to stopy don't the police have more powers? beca|the power to stop adon't the police have more powers? beca|the power to stop a protest have the power to stop a protest like the pro—palestinian protest happening on a day, a national day? yeah well, just say, day? yeah well, can i just say, first of all, isn't it remarkable how today has been so harmonious , so this poignant harmonious, so this poignant commemoration could take place without the backdrop of all the charged political i don't want to use the word hatred, but there was there was a really bad day for the united kingdom. >> i thought yesterday. and it's testimony to the fact that we shouldn't have had the protests yesterday and any organ yesterday and any decent organ riser of that march would have recognised the importance of the day united kingdom and day to the united kingdom and wouldn't organised and wouldn't have organised it. and that leads me to my next point, which is the reason we're talking about the need for greater powers is because social policies in the united kingdom aren't working . and we had the aren't working. and we had the home secretary in washington a few weeks ago talking about how multiracial multiculture racism in this country hasn't worked,

that it's failed . and we saw that it's failed. and we saw that it's failed. and we saw that in evidence manifested on our streets yesterday. and so instead of giving police more powers, what i what i would like to see is, is a less draconian response from government. but a more holistic approach to the social integration of our country . we've had more country. we've had more immigrants come into this country in the last 25 years than in all of time before that. and whilst i'm not at all against immigration, whilst i think interaction with other cultures and the taking on of values which sharing of values, sharing debates and moving fonnard is a better, more homogeneous society is a welcome thing . so we've got to think thing. so we've got to think this through to more greatly. we to the extent that people come to the extent that people come to this country, they must be assimilate and they must learn. british values. they must learn british values. they must learn british history. we've got to come together as a nation. and what we saw yesterday on the streets of london was division

in our country. and i don't think the right response is more kind of police power because all you're trying to do then is to muscle all the problem. but why not? >> i mean, surely the police should be allowed if there's a situation like this and we've got a national day, people will manipulate day, manipulate that day, as i believe that's what the protesters did. i mean, people were very busy to say call suella braverman for suella braverman names for her supposedly provocative language. but protest set on but i believe the protest set on this provocative in itself. >> i think the fact that we had harmony today proves it suella braverman that there braverman was right that there shouldn't protest yesterday. >> macshane well, very >> denis macshane well, very simply, the core british simply, one of the core british values, speak somebody values, and i speak as somebody who's abroad, is freedom who's worked abroad, is freedom and freedom, all to demonstrate on the street. >> even if you're really don't like what's being said in other countries, it's met with tear gas, with water cannons , with gas, with water cannons, with charges, with countries like france and many an america, much more. >> in america, you've got a fair chance. a fair chance if the

cops are cross to a black guy dying at the end of one of those demonstrations. that's that's the united states, a great country . see, now, i don't want country. see, now, i don't want to restrict freedom. i'm astonished to be here with ben . astonished to be here with ben. >> i'm delighted to be here with you, dennis. >> i love being with you. but i knew he was here. here you are coming on is take away freedom, take away freedom. restrict what people i saw, i saw the fag people do. i saw, i saw the fag end of that march just after going because it went near going home because it went near where live in pimlico. it was where i live in pimlico. it was peaceful all. it was a bit daffy. don't i argue the week daffy. i don't i argue the week before. better for the palestinian movements to say we're doing it this weekend . we're not doing it this weekend. we're going to live with that. well, that's what i was advocating . no, no, i'm not. advocating. no, no, no, i'm not. i'm not a kid, sir, but i wouldn't be about it wouldn't be frantic about it because the chief of police, the metropolitan chief police commissioner no , we could commissioner said no, we could handle this trust the police don't trust the media. and the politicians have all sorts whipping this up. i remember when the left wing always wanted to ban marches. now

when the left wing always wanted to ban marches . now it's when the left wing always wanted to ban marches. now it's you guys who want to hang on. that's why we won yesterday. we, the good people of britain, won there are a few who won. >> sorry. you said the good people of britain. do you people of britain. who do you mean that? mean by that? >> the people. the police. the people in the middle britain. people in the middle of britain. who don't have ban who said we don't have to ban a march or set water cannon on it. it will peaceful. we had 120 it will be peaceful. we had 120 unpleasant racists who rampaged through london, all carrying badges of suella braverman to carry out their hate campaign . carry out their hate campaign. 120 out of 60 million. we can live with that. >> you're saying 120. what? you're saying from what side? from whom ? 120. from whom? 120. >> about the 120 who were arrested. obviously there were more of them. >> that's the current tally. but do bear mind, the do bear in mind, the metropolitan now metropolitan police are now going trawling through going through trawling through the people carrying the footage of people carrying banners swastikas and banners with swastikas and people chanting. >> and i they find that it >> and i hope they find that it was a white woman. i'm just a white woman. >> can i finish, please? i'm saying that the 120 that you said, wasn't very many, said, which wasn't very many, may being quite may end up being quite a considerable number. more is what well, i don't

what i doubt it. well, i don't doubt i doubt it at doubt it. i don't doubt it at all. there's a of people all. there's a lot of people that are looking for. that the police are looking for. >> honestly , perhaps because i >> i honestly, perhaps because i started great demos started life doing great demos about vietnam a long time ago, a stupid war where american boys were killed for no were sent to be killed for no good reason. we were right to demonstrate the police charged us horses, but they charge us with horses, but they charge us with horses, but they charge us question is what are us with the question is what are you actually saying is you shouldn't? >> let's get back to the question. the question is, should the police be given more powers sort of stop powers for to sort of stop these sort demonstrations? powers for to sort of stop these son so demonstrations? powers for to sort of stop these sonso iiemonstrations? powers for to sort of stop these sonso i think strations? powers for to sort of stop these sonso i think you're1s? powers for to sort of stop these sonso i think you're very kindly >> so i think you're very kindly gave myself a better list. and i noidea gave myself a better list. and i no idea the powers of police have. no idea the powers of police have . they actually have got have. they actually have got enormous powers if they want to. the. mr rowley, sir mark rowley could have said that demonstration isn't taking place and it wouldn't have taken place. he he thought, where should britain be with freedom or with politicians and some of the media could be left wing media or right wing media telling us what to do? >> well, listen, at the moment at present, due to article 11,

the police lack the the police actually lack the authority many forms of authority to stop many forms of protest so protest from taking place. so that's why asking you the that's why i'm asking you the question. so that is that is how it sits. it actually sits. >> but i mean, i think the sad thing for me is that we have a society. the sad thing for me is that we have society where that we have a society where large minorities recognise large minorities don't recognise the days the importance of days like yesterday, don't yesterday, and they don't voluntarily down from voluntarily step down from marching. they didn't have to protest yesterday. they protest every single weekend the every single weekend for the last or 4 weeks. and they'll last 3 or 4 weeks. and they'll no doubt have protests. no doubt have future protests. yes inflammatory. the yes today was inflammatory. the language by that march was language used by that march was inflammatory. advocating inflammatory. it was advocating effectively the erasure of israel , which effectively the erasure of israel, which is effectively the erasure of israel , which is unacceptable to israel, which is unacceptable to any decent human being, and that shouldn't have taken place on armistice day. >> well, listen, that's that's their views. what's yours? vaiews@gbnews.uk tweet me now. let know what you think. this let me know what you think. this is news. we are the people's is gb news. we are the people's channel. coming up, will the labour party's tax laws drive channel. coming up, will the labottheirty's tax laws drive channel. coming up, will the labotthe wealthy?laws drive channel. coming up, will the labotthe wealthy? i'll; drive channel. coming up, will the labotthe wealthy? i'll be�*ive away the wealthy? i'll be debating with my panel. debating that with my panel. send me thoughts as ever.

isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930 . six till 930. >> it's just coming up to 27 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. it's time to go head to head in a clash of minds and on the menu is this one italy. they've received authorisation to establish migration holding centres albania . now centres in rural albania. now similar to that of the guess what, the rwanda plan. of course . and it anticipates the passage of up to 3000 migrants a month through the facility later this

week, the uk supreme court will deliver its verdict on the legitimacy or legality of rwanda. and in light of italy's recent approval of a comparable scheme, will rwanda plan be accepted this time? and given the green light, let's what the green light, let's see what my head is. make of my head to head is. make of that. joining deputy that. joining me now, deputy leader reform, the reform leader of reform, the reform party, habib, and the former party, ben habib, and the former labour minister for europe, denis dennis, denis macshane. dennis, i'm starting does starting with you. does italy this give this migration proposal give the green for rwanda? green light for rwanda? >> absolutely nothing to do with it because are operating it because they are operating fully european rules . its fully within european rules. its agreement albania , which agreement with albania, which wants to join the european union, which in european union, which is in the european convention of human rights. >> are white, white >> people are white, more white than the other ones. >> i don't think they i don't think what i know think i assume from what i know of albania incoming of albania and incoming albanian and italian immigrants, the paradox is that mrs. maloney, the very right wing leader of italy, also said about a month, six weeks ago that she was authorising 425,000 immigrants from asia and africa to come to do the necessary work that italy

needs. so they're opening the floodgates or sorry, the doors to necessary workers . well, to necessary workers. well, that's migration. >> that's how it should be. you choose the work for the workers. >> no, no, no, no, no. they're. they're just saying, please come because the they're iust saying, please come because the people to because we need the people to make the coffees, cafes make sure the coffees, the cafes work, restaurants work. they work, the restaurants work. they have there now, have a problem there now, selling houses in remote italian hillside towns for ,1 a piece. well, the three of us could go by ten each because italians don't want to go and live in remote places. so they're now looking to immigrants to rejoin , looking to immigrants to rejoin, generate remoter bits of italy. it's a bit more complicated . it's a bit more complicated. rwanda. rwanda. what's wrong ? rwanda. rwanda. what's wrong? i'm nothing against that. and frankly, i can't get radically worked up about rwanda . israel worked up about rwanda. israel is the only talk about israel , is the only talk about israel, the only country that's tried it sent african immigrants to rwanda. they stayed two weeks in the same places that we might send people to, and then they hotfooted it back to israel. there won't be locked up processing centre. >> so that's that's the idea.

that's how it works, right? yeah but the question what's wrong with what's the difference between rwanda and albania ? between rwanda and albania? because the principle is exactly the same. you're sending people for processing in another country. >> it's a very , very good point. >> it's a very, very good point. and i could argue that we should have opened processing centres in calais because we actually had far more immigrants than the albanians are sending to italy in calais, the jungle. you remember all of that, then we should have processed them. yeah but i've asked you a question specifically because you said that it was totally different to in why is it different? in a sense, why is it different? what's different the what's different about the simple person simple reason every person there, albania and italian officials except freely the rules of the european convention of human rights, the european court of human rights. we're trying that rwanda is uncivilised . good god, no, don't uncivilised. good god, no, don't be silly. but i mean, they're not. they're not anything. they're not operating under european law. the problem for dear suella is when she's dear old suella is when she's not stirring up trouble with the

police is that she wants to break international law. that's the argument. i mean, the supreme court will decide that . supreme court will decide that. i want to give you a minute on wednesday. >> yeah. so i mean, i don't think in principle there are identical both plans won't work because they are a pimple, a pimple of an attempt to resolve a much bigger problem . a much bigger problem. >> italy had 130,000 illegal migrants enter it last year, 330,000 entered europe across the mediterranean. a third of those actually also went through western balkans, including albania. so albania is a source of illegal migration from northern africa and elsewhere . northern africa and elsewhere. what we need is to stop the boats before they land on european soil. deportation is no solution to border control. >> it worked for australia . it >> it worked for australia. it worked for them. >> so absolutely we should be doing it. >> and it worked for australia when they sent people somewhere else, when oh yeah. else, when they. oh yeah. >> they sent they well when >> but they sent they well when you australia, australia had a

dual had dual system, australia had operation sovereign borders, which is where they intercepted boats coming in from indonesia. they either turn those boats around or they even boarded those boats. but you have to do one first. >> you have to do one of them first. so the one of them you can have an integrated approach. they could eventually do that. >> australia part of >> and australia isn't part of the convention of human the european convention of human rights, people rights, and it took people straight which straight to the islands on which they were deposited. >> it feels like there's an argument us to leave it, but argument for us to leave it, but that control. that was border control. >> never got australia. >> they never got to australia. well, got to i've well, listen, i've got to i've got this up briefly got to wrap this up briefly because got to go to the news. >> but what are your thoughts? gb views gbnews.com. i'd love to hear them. i read some of hear them. i will read some of those as well. to those emails as well. still to come, party are there come, our labour party are there tax laws going to push the rich out of britain? we'll be discussing going head to discussing that going head to head panel. sure head with my panel. make sure you in touch. but first, you get in touch. but first, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines with aaron. >> i'm aaron >> and it is 332. i'm aaron armstrong . the king has led the armstrong. the king has led the nafion armstrong. the king has led the nation observing a two minute silence on remembrance day,

honounng silence on remembrance day, honouring soldiers . the honouring fallen soldiers. the prince of wales was among the senior royals to stand behind king charles, with the monarch wearing the uniform of the marshal of the royal air force. he then laid a wreath similar to the one produced for king george the one produced for king george the sixth. the prime minister labour leader and former prime ministers were also at the cenotaph in central london and they were joined other senior they were joined by other senior politicians dignitaries . the politicians and dignitaries. the met police says it's actively investigating possible cases of hate crime following yesterday's armistice day disorder. >> hundreds of thousands of pro—palestinian protesters marched through central london, which led to pockets of violence i >> nine officers were injured and 126 people arrested, including 92 far right counter—protesters. the force released images of people it's seeking who were pictured carrying anti—semitic placards . carrying anti—semitic placards. the home secretary who attended today's remembrance service is being blamed for stoking

tensions during the pro—palestinian protests . during pro—palestinian protests. during the week, suella braverman described the demonstrators as as taking part in hate marches. scottish first minister humza yousaf is among the growing chorus of those calling for her to go afraid that the home secretary's position, in my view, is untenable . view, is untenable. >> she should, in fact, not even be allowed to resign. she should just be sacked out by the prime minister because no home secretary should be fanning the flames of division . quite the flames of division. quite the opposite . weather warnings have opposite. weather warnings have been issued for northern ireland. >> england and parts of wales as storm debby approaches the fourth named storm of the season . heavy rain and gale force winds with gusts of up to 80 miles an hour are expected earlier this month. storm ciaran caused widespread flooding . the caused widespread flooding. the met office says yellow alerts will come into force from 3 am. tomorrow morning and will finish around 6:00 in the evening . around 6:00 in the evening. that's it for the moment for me. but there's more on our website. gb news dot com. now back to

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increasing favoured residential destination for the affluent, with its combination of low taxes and a lovely, warm climate . i've been there. it's lovely and a growing number of wealthy brits are opting to relocate there. driven down by concerns about potential tax burdens anticipated under a labour government . now the wealthy are government. now the wealthy are worried that labour is going to get in at the next election and the ongoing trend of individuals choosing to emigrate raises concerns about potential concerns about the potential economic repercussions for the british economy. so let's see what my panel, my head to head is make of that. i'm joined by deputy of the reform is make of that. i'm joined by deputhen of the reform is make of that. i'm joined by deputhen habib,the reform is make of that. i'm joined by deputhen habib, andleform is make of that. i'm joined by deputhen habib, and former party, ben habib, and former labour minister europe, labour minister for europe, denis macshane . labour minister for europe, denis macshane. i'm going to start you, habib well, start with you, ben habib well, florida not just attracting florida is not just attracting people from this country. >> it's actually attracting people from new york, from chicago and other places in chicago and from other places in the tax is also a very the us where tax is also a very high what it evidence if high and what it evidence is, if evidence needed, is that evidence is ever needed, is that where you have low taxation on people in businesses, you will attract investment, whether it's in the form of buying houses or

investing in the location or opening new factories or whatever it is. and what our government is singularly failed to recognise is, is that we have the highest tax burden, as you said, since world war ii. said, nana since world war ii. we need to be cutting taxes urgently we will see not just urgently or we will see not just a brain drain, we will see businesses relocating out of the united kingdom. we've already got evidence of that. astrazeneca chose the republic of ireland for its new research facility over liverpool , and facility over liverpool, and it's cited that corporation tax rate in the uk is the reason for it. we are damaging the uk with our high tax rate. it is not about fighting inflation, doing the prudent and sensible thing is jeremy hunt keeps telling us what it is. is a government unable to cut its cloth? according to its means, levying massive burdens on the british people and effectively forcing us out of this country . and we us out of this country. and we saw that last year half a million young brits left this country because they can't afford to live here. denis macshane well, that's a very good because we're not

good point because we're not growing fast enough. >> and reason we're getting >> and one reason we're getting into is cut all into the argument is you cut all trade most trade with europe. trade or most trade with europe. of course you become poorer. now, loved took now, florida i loved took children to disneyland, children there to disneyland, to orlando . i enjoyed the guys who orlando. i enjoyed the guys who walked behind the elephants scooping up the elephant poop . i scooping up the elephant poop. i think that's often what politicians do in this country as well. but i don't not sure i want to live in a place where the only food you eat choices between kfc and mcdonald's. we have a ramp ragingly homophobic . have a ramp ragingly homophobic. governor, mr desantis . i mean, governor, mr desantis. i mean, really ugly, ugly , anti—gay laws really ugly, ugly, anti—gay laws and yeah , there are many places and yeah, there are many places in europe around the world you can go to the channel islands, you can go to monte carlo. imagine who you might meet in monte carlo and pay less tax . i monte carlo and pay less tax. i think taxes should come down generally, especially on what ordinary people consume. but but we've had ten, 13 years of no growth of austerity, of public services that are a joke . and

services that are a joke. and believe me, i lived in switzerland . i know what it is switzerland. i know what it is to pay private health care insurance. that's also a tax. >> the point is that we're talking about the labour party and whether you can trust them to actually put the taxes down because that's why people are leaving. because leaving. it's not because of where we now. they're where we are now. they're concerned about where we're going. >> okay. well, the last labour government some down, government put some taxes down, some a lot some taxes up. there's a lot of teaming and ladling. we've teaming and ladling. what we've generally in the last generally had in the last were you look , you've everybody on you look, you've everybody on the left of the labour party is going bonkers because keir starmer and rachel reeves and darren jones , the chief shadow darren jones, the chief shadow chief secretary, are making very, very clear everything is going to try and be focussed on growth and not an increasing taxes.i growth and not an increasing taxes. i tell you something a little secret. labour most of my life has always is increased spending. when they came in and then started to put up taxes to pay then started to put up taxes to pay for it, you know, that's why they're going. >> i think we've all noticed that's why they're leaving. >> no, no, that was no, it's

they're leaving from they're leaving from a tory government, but never there was but it's never worked. there was the who got the first one who got into terrible trouble by maintaining . terrible trouble by maintaining. >> but can we trust them? look you can't trust them. you can't trust the conservatives either. >> you can't trust the conservatives either. they're worse. well, it's a it's a choice between the deep blue sea and the deep blue sea . jeremy and the deep blue sea. jeremy hunt wants to put up tax again just before christmas. what's he doing? that's. that's. that's the way they think. they think that state all the that the state has all the answers need the cash. they answers they need the cash. they will find solutions and will find the solutions and they'll tax us because they will find the solutions and they'itrust us because they will find the solutions and they'itrust us with use they will find the solutions and they'itrust us with our they will find the solutions and they'itrust us with our money. can't trust us with our money. they'll redistribute it. there'll creation there'll be no wealth creation and we are going down in a doom loop. a reverse dial of loop. we need a reverse dial of fundamental policy at the heart of government elect ben make. >> i said make him prime minister. >> he's already reformed, so he's about to. i'm waiting for his party political broadcast. that hasn't come in yet. well that was kind of it. that was the next bit, wasn't it? yeah well, that's the thing. i mean, what do you think at home? can

you trust the labour party with what do you think at home? can you tiwith he labour party with what do you think at home? can you tiwith youribour party with what do you think at home? can you tiwith your money. rty with what do you think at home? can you tiwith your money. they th what do you think at home? can you tiwith your money. they are your. with your money. they are looking it's and more looking like it's more and more likely get into likely they might get into power, depends power, although it depends how much starmer because much keir starmer says, because the says, the worse it the more he says, the worse it gets. so i think he's keeping extremely quiet. but i'm wondering you think about wondering what you think about it. you you confident it. do you are you confident that do end up with that if you do end up with a labour government they will labour government that they will be your taxes ? so be safe with your taxes? so let's get your view, because these have told you what let's get your view, because thes(think.1ave told you what let's get your view, because thes(think. i'lll told you what let's get your view, because thes(think. i'll read you what let's get your view, because thes(think. i'll read yourwhat they think. i'll read your messages moment, but messages in just a moment, but the secretary has the health secretary has instructed to cease instructed nhs chiefs to cease the of ideology. the promotion of woke ideology. i think they can manage i don't think they can manage it. the emphasising concerns about the expenditure of £13 million on diversity roles now the nhs has been advised against investing time and resources in dedicating dedicated diversity staff and the promotion of this woke ideology. and this raises the fundamental question there are £13 million a year diversity stars, and that's just not they're not earning that individually , but are they individually, but are they actually needed in the nhs? >> dennis sadly , i assume the >> dennis sadly, i assume the answer has to be yes because

there are problems. huge problems just reported recently of nurses particular nurses coming in from outside england being appallingly treated , being appallingly treated, including sexual abuse by senior doctors in the operating theatre. so i've just been in hospital a tiny , tiny, hospital a tiny, tiny, unimportant little operation. i loved it. it was good and it was a mixture of different people from different parts of the world, different parts of europe, and shows britain at its best. we've always been a nation of immigration of immigrants and of immigration and them to work for us. and getting them to work for us. i'm nervous of always trashing any effort. the first pamphlet i ever wrote was to say, we need more black and asian reporters on the bbc. there were none when i started working at the bbc and people told me i was that. well, it was probably before you were born. >> 1850. >> 1850. >> so no. so let's see how many, how many black people do you think there must have been in the uk? >> probably weren't many. >> there probably weren't many. oh, they probably weren't that old, guide. oh, they probably weren't that old excellent guide. oh, they probably weren't that old excellent journalist de. oh, they probably weren't that old excellent journalist at the >> excellent journalist at the moment the is embraced a bit

moment the bbc is embraced a bit of macshane wokery. 40 years ago we got some of our best reporters. >> got you to thank for being here. now, dennis, you've got a lot to thank for that look. but listen , i hear you. there was listen, i hear you. there was a time when that was necessary. i think there was a moment where we had to take a look at ourselves and start to include others in there and not be so short sighted. but i think that time has and it's going in time has gone and it's going in reverse. do you think? reverse. what do you think? well, think a number well, i mean, i think a number of things. >> all, it is too much >> first of all, it is too much money, but this is the worst kind of politics from steve barclay, is £13 million barclay, because is £13 million constitutes less nought constitutes less than nought point budget of the point 1% of the budget of the nhs and the other more substantial point. yeah. >> but each of those diversity stars sounds lot of them on up stars sounds a lot of them on up to could pay for to 100 k yeah. could pay for some nurses i mean absolutely. >> get of the expenditure >> get rid of the expenditure but it's the kind of but it's the worst kind of politics from barclay politics from stephen barclay because that's not because he knows that's not going black going to fix the big black monetary hole that is the nhs. it's a start, but it's a start. but the other thing is that the nhs is oblige to have these

tsars, the nhs is obliged to promote diversity through the die regulatory regime which affects every single institution in this country. if stephen barclay . barclay. >> but does it need a specific person to focus on that? because i would imagine each trust would have some level of hr . so why is have some level of hr. so why is it not integrated within the role of hr? why does it have to be nana every be an individual nana every single including mine, single company, including mine, a company, i my own a small company, i regard my own company small company, has company as a small company, has to on their esg to report on their esg credentials, which includes the social. >> and that's the that's the banner under which diversity, equality and inclusion needs to be delivered. you have to report on it. we have a dedicated individual as a small company, having to do it. and we're not allowed as a regulated. having to do it. and we're not all(they as a regulated. having to do it. and we're not all(they might gulated. having to do it. and we're not all(they might do ated. having to do it. and we're not all(they might do other things in >> they might do other things in the as well. so they're the company as well. so they're not just specifically pretty much just that, measuring much just doing that, measuring our answering our carbon footprint, answering questionnaires on our diversity. >> massive burden on >> it's a massive burden on business and the nhs is obliged to do it. and what i would say to do it. and what i would say to stephen barclay is instead of

castigating the nhs, which is fine, you can castigate nhs, castigating the nhs, which is fine dom can castigate nhs, castigating the nhs, which is fine dom ca legitimately. nhs, castigating the nhs, which is fine dom ca legitimately. more 5, but do that legitimately. more important, this important, roll back this regulatory regime which is putting a knee on the neck of the united kingdom's economy. we needit the united kingdom's economy. we need it to stop and diversity, equality and inclusion is in bedding racism. it is embedding division . it is part of the division. it is part of the reason why we saw on the streets of london yesterday what we saw, because the police are taught that they must be tolerate, want of diverse views and it's gone mad . what's happening now is mad. what's happening now is reverse racism in our society. and i would say that as a child, i experience much less racism than i do in the country now. but the racism now is against white people . it's and the white people. it's and the prejudices against our history, our values , our language, where our values, our language, where we came from and what we stand for. and that's got to stop. and stephen barclay can stop it because he's in the government . because he's in the government. but what he mustn't be doing is this kind of dog whistle politics attacking the nhs for actually fulfilling a regulatory regime government .

regime set by the government. >> so can listen to , to, to >> so i can listen to, to, to bed trashing stephen barclay for the next five hours. he's the worst health secretary we've ever had since the nhs was founded. i'm a bit nervous to say we must combat tolerate this. we can't have tolerance no , "0, this. we can't have tolerance no , no, you did. you're saying we've got too many examples too and many businesses where still the people with the wrong voice , the people with the wrong voice, the people with the wrong voice, the wrong face don't get the same crack of the whip as us. >> reverse racism is not progressive. it is the embed king of racism. what we've got to get back to is everyone is equal and it doesn't matter what colour , creed or whatever you colour, creed or whatever you what matters is the content of your character and the contribution you can make to the organisation for which you work. that's all that matters. merit ocracy. if we get away from meritocracy , the country is in trouble. >> well, meritocracy as defined in terms of employment in other countries is i mean in france everybody is a meritocrat a

career. you've i mean, your career. you've i mean, your career is open just to your talents. nothing else . but my talents. nothing else. but my goodness, that requires us far more counting, far more checking, far more ensuring that people are only being employed on merit. i'm not against i mean, i'm completely with you. we've got to many state or pubuc we've got to many state or public sector bureaucrats in too many areas not doing anything productive , active and useful. productive, active and useful. we could cut an awful lot of them out . and i really hope them out. and i really hope rachel reeves and keir starmer because the tories haven't done it for 13 years. >> do that. come on. are you having a laugh? what? actually got me was that their party conference when they stood conference when they all stood and were all and spoke, that they were all white the leaders, the white standing, the leaders, the ones are the isn't ones who are the front isn't that were which is ironic. it seems so. seems so. >> seems so. >> david. lammy no, no. >> david. david lammy no, no. >> david. david lammy no, no. >> when they spoke at their conference, standing . conference, they are standing. hold on, let me finish. because you're just talking about some people actually people who weren't actually standing up. >> were making a >> they were they were making a keynote speech in the main at the main section. >> were of them >> there were five of them standing. rachel, we have keir

starmer. angela rayner there was two all white two others. there were all white and were talking just and they were talking and i just looked i thought, looked and i thought, these are the names the labour the main names of the labour party are the people party and these are the people that standing and talking that were standing and talking and was quite disappointing. >> i'm sorry if you think that i mean, i'm not i'm not necessarily arguing. >> concerned that they >> i'm concerned that they actually all i do bump into actually all i do is bump into friends are holding the most friends who are holding the most senior positions. >> secretary, >> shadow foreign secretary, shadow community centres, shadow this they're not this secretary and they're not they're right from they're not right away from identity. they're not right away from identagree with that. >> i agree with that. >> i agree with that. >> just focus on what's good >> to just focus on what's good for country. for the country. >> i agree you. but anyway, >> i agree with you. but anyway, it's the content it's time to look at the content of these people can deliver of what these people can deliver rather what colour they rather than what the colour they are. and i think actually it's a bit a red herring. you think bit of a red herring. you think we've got two black ones. one of this, of that can play. this, one of that you can play. >> you were the one complaining. the weren't enough. >> was i complaining about this? >> just a minute ago. you were saying? i couldn't saying? i looked and i couldn't see no, said. see any? no, i said. >> that's the irony. that's the irony the labour party. i'm irony of the labour party. i'm not saying that that's. listen, my point is this. they talk a good game, they're not good game, but they're not demonstrating they're demonstrating what they're saying. what

saying. i'm not saying that what they i'm suggesting they should do. i'm suggesting that are going i see. that they are going on. i see. no, on. you said something, no, hold on. you said something, so i'll finish. i'm saying that they're banging about this they're banging on about this diversity the diversity and they're the least diverse leading diverse with their leading players so players in their party. so i don't want to hear it from them. what also pointing out is what i am also pointing out is that ultimately that actually it's ultimately irrelevant. we've moved on from there was the point of there and that was the point of this whether it is now this question, whether it is now time focus on time to really focus on what people can rather than people can deliver rather than having diversity inclusion. having diversity and inclusion. >> that. but it >> no problems with that. but it has million that. no has 13 million on that. no problem but i'm problem with that. but i'm afraid be another afraid it will be another measurement. old ben measurement. sa for poor old ben in his firm to ensure that everybody is promoted on on merit. i that was the case. merit. i wish that was the case. >> let's what people >> well, let's see what people are because on all the are saying because on all the subjects that we've been talking about, this this, this one's high i agree with ben high nana. i agree with ben entirely about inclusivity. i always maintained that inclusivity the exclusivity inclusivity is the exclusivity of majority, most us inclusivity is the exclusivity of beingjority, most us inclusivity is the exclusivity of being discriminated st us inclusivity is the exclusivity of being discriminated against. are being discriminated against. that's says that that's susan. she says that we're talking about protests and chris should chris says they should have banned be banned. tyrone's message in saying about humza yousaf because we were talking about him as well, he said humza

yousaf should go suella braverman says right things. yousaf should go suella bwish man says right things. yousaf should go suella bwish that says right things. yousaf should go suella bwish that she; right things. yousaf should go suella bwish that she was right things. yousaf should go suella bwish that she was thelt things. yousaf should go suella bwish that she was the first1gs. i wish that she was the first minister of scotland. there you go. there you have it. >> does party. >> so does the tory party. i wish the first minister wish to get the first minister of united kingdom, but humza of the united kingdom, but humza yousaf should definitely go. >> got a nerve saying >> well, he's got a nerve saying that other should go. that other people should go. you've terrible. no, agree. >> again, stop now you've >> again, stop this. now you've got get us disagree. got to get us disagree. >> well, david says not a chance would trust labour. we're would i trust labour. we're talking about whether trust would i trust labour. we're talking with it whether trust would i trust labour. we're talking with it witaxes. trust would i trust labour. we're talkingwitth witaxes. i trust would i trust labour. we're talkingwitth witaxes. i know st labour with the taxes. i know many to them, a many are warning to them, but a lot has seen the ugly, really ugly side rear its head yet again. it's clear the anti—semitism is still a major issue they have new issue and they have nothing new to is an issue with to offer that is an issue with the labour party. they seem to be clearly. be hearing this clearly. >> corbyn was >> well, jeremy corbyn was out with marchers yesterday. with the marchers yesterday. john with the john mcdonnell was out with the marchers what were they? >> i've got a proposal which ben might agree in france might agree with in france today, macron, today, president macron, a senior are senior government ministers are leading to protest senior government ministers are leading anti—semitism to protest senior government ministers are leading anti—semitism .) protest senior government ministers are leading anti—semitism . they'ret against anti—semitism. they're also the regional also happening in the regional cities. it here. let's get cities. do it here. let's get sunak and starmer and decent people out there saying we will not have anti—semitism in

britain. >> we'd all like to see that. we'd all like to see less of the anti—semitism and all that business, wouldn't you? listen, stay tuned. loads more still to come, my monologue on the come, my monologue is on the way. a gb news. we are way. this is a gb news. we are the people's channel. i'll be discussing home secretary the people's channel. i'll be discuss braverman. 1e secretary the people's channel. i'll be discuss braverman. 1e she'etary the people's channel. i'll be discuss braverman. 1e she brave? suella braverman. is she brave? indeed. to miss indeed. you won't want to miss that. get some weather. that. let's get some weather. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey. your gb news vautrey. who of your gb news weather forecast provided the weather forecast provided by the met office debby has been met office storm debby has been named by met air the irish named by met air and the irish weather and is expected weather service and is expected to picked up by the jet to be picked up by the jet stream and powered towards ireland head ireland and the uk as we head throughout into throughout tonight and into monday. some monday. potential for some disruptive particularly disruptive weather, particularly for ireland. the irish for northern ireland. the irish sea, and across sea, coastal areas and across northern of england where northern areas of england where severe gales possible. for severe gales are possible. for this see this band of this evening we see this band of rain pushing its way northwards into but it's here into scotland. but it's here storm in the storm debby arriving in the southwest. rain southwest. some very heavy rain pushing into wales and pushing into england, wales and then particularly northern ireland on. very ireland later on. very persistent some flooding persistent here. some flooding is wave gales is possible. this wave of gales developing in the west as well with all the cloud, the rain and the wind, will be a milder the wind, it will be a milder night last. but night compared to last. but a touch frost is still possible

touch of frost is still possible across of northern across rural areas of northern scotland, unsettled start scotland, a very unsettled start to working and a to the new working week and a very disruptive rush very disruptive morning rush hour heavy rain pushing hour as well. heavy rain pushing its eventually reaching its way in, eventually reaching parts swathe of parts of scotland, a swathe of severe gales, 80 mile an hour possible across possible winds across coastal areas england , 55 areas of north—west england, 55 to mile an hour possible to 60 mile an hour possible across pennines other across the pennines and other areas of northern england. does turn and turn brighter for central and southern and southern areas of england and wales. in the day, wales. later on in the day, temperatures around 15, 16 c here. still feeling a bit here. but still feeling a bit colder than that where you are exposed to the blustery winds and it's not as and to tuesday, it's not as disruptive monday, but it is disruptive as monday, but it is going to remain fairly unsettled disruptive as monday, but it is going mixture n fairly unsettled disruptive as monday, but it is going mixture n fsunshineettled disruptive as monday, but it is going mixture n fsunshine andi and a mixture of sunshine and showers. those showers could be heavy times with some heavy at times with some thunderstorm hail in the thunderstorm and hail in the mixture well. and we hold on mixture as well. and we hold on to the unsettled theme into the middle half of middle part and second half of the week as well with more wet and windy weather

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your latest news with. aaron >> very good afternoon to you. it's just gone 4:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the home secretary's condemned anti—semitic behaviour at the armistice day demonstration in london yesterday. hundreds of thousands of pro—palestinian protesters marched peacefully through the capital. but the met police says it's actively investing dating possible cases of hate crime, pockets of violence. did erupt later in the evening . nine officers were evening. nine officers were injured and 126 people arrested, including 92 right wing counter protesters . british transport protesters. british transport police is also investigating a racially aggravated altercation in at london waterloo and has released photos of four men it's trying to identify . they also trying to identify. they also want to speak to a woman over an alleged anti—semitic hate crime at victoria station . meanwhile, at victoria station. meanwhile, the home secretary who attended today's service at the cenotaph is being blamed for stoking tensions ahead of the pro—palestinian protest . tensions ahead of the pro—palestinian protest. during the week. suella braverman described the demonstrations as hate marchers and questioned the

integrity of the police for allowing yesterday's rally to go ahead weekend. ahead on remembrance weekend. the scottish first minister, humza yousaf, is among the growing chorus of voices calling for her go. i'm afraid that for her to go. i'm afraid that the home secretary's position in my view, is untenable. >> she should in fact not even be allowed to resign. she should just be sacked by the prime minister because no home secretary should be fanning the flames of division quite the opposite . opposite. >> defence secretary grant shapps has defended his cabinet colleague, though job as home secretary is to make sure that quite properly that the powers exist and the powers are then used within the operational independence of the police to make sure that marches and protests are properly policed and where the laws have been broken as they clearly have been in some cases, that those prosecutions take place, that thatis prosecutions take place, that that is what a home secretary is there for. >> now, i wouldn't quite put it

in her language. it's not the language i would have used. but the point still stands . the point still stands. >> the king has led the nation observing a two minute silence on remembrance day , honouring on remembrance day, honouring fallen soldiers . the prince of fallen soldiers. the prince of wales was among the senior royals to stand behind king charles, with the monarch wearing the uniform of the marshal of the royal force . marshal of the royal air force. he then laid a wreath similar to the one produced for king george the one produced for king george the the minister the sixth. the prime minister labour leader former prime labour leader and former prime ministers were also at the cenotaph in central london and they joined other senior they were joined by other senior politicians dignitaries . a politicians and dignitaries. a man has been charged with the murder of a mother who was killed in front of her children in manchester. perseverance in cuba was found with single cuba was found with a single stab to chest in the stab wound to the chest in the early hours of friday morning. she died later in hospital. 45 year old obert moyo has been charged with possession of an offensive weapon and he is due to appear in court tomorrow. weather warnings have been

issued for northern ireland, england of wales as england and parts of wales as storm debbie approaches the fourth storm of the season has been named heavy rain is forecast with gusts of up to 80mph expected earlier this month, storm ciaran caused widespread flooding. the met office's yellow alerts will come into force from 3 am. tomorrow, ending at 6:00 in the evening and iceland is preparing for a volcanic eruption soon after being hit by a series of earthquakes. over the last few days, authorities say there is evidence of magma spreading rapidly underground in the island's southwest . rapidly underground in the island's southwest. around rapidly underground in the island's southwest . around 3000 island's southwest. around 3000 residents have been evacuated from the town of greendale , one from the town of greendale, one of the most popular attractions of the most popular attractions of the most popular attractions of the island, the blue lagoon spa, has also been forced to close. well this is gb news. we're live across the uk, on tv, on digital radio and on your smart. speaker two now it's back to nana .

to nana. >> good afternoon. if you just tuned in, welcome on board. it's just coming up to four minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news live on tv online and on digital radio. oh, they're all queuing up to get rid of to suella put in their two pennies worth. i'm so bored of this. here's humza useless drawing the attention away from his own woeful mismanagement of scotland and afraid that the home secretary's position, in my view, is untenable . view, is untenable. >> she should in fact, not even be allowed to resign. she should just be sacked by the prime minister because no home secretary should be fanning the flames of division . quite the flames of division. quite the opposite . opposite. >> come on. i mean, the truth is, she was right. the previous marches were marred with hate. and on that basis , she had every and on that basis, she had every right to expect the same again. and i don't think that she was wrong on this one either. the hate was just hidden a bit better yesterday . i mean, that's better yesterday. i mean, that's not to say that there a lot of

people weren't marching for peace, there were people peace, but there were people wearing hamas headbands, racist banners. one woman with a banner of rishi and suella with coconuts around them, banners with swastikas hidden in the star of david and people chanting from the river to the sea and trying to justify their words, claiming that they are not offensive . well, all you not offensive. well, all you have to do is ask a jewish person their view. if you have any doubt the very fact that such a march was scheduled for armistice day is provocative, to say the least . a day that we say the least. a day that we should have been remembering our own fallen heroes and armed forces. i mean, it was totally disrespectful and aimed at being incendiary, yet ironically, the focus was on condemned nation of suella and her words, which was seen as provocative of a bit of a double standard . really. i'm a double standard. really. i'm in no doubt that a lot of the people marching yesterday were not intending to condone hate. but as these people were truly marching for peace and wanted the ceasefire , i would have

the ceasefire, i would have expected demands for the release of hostages. maybe that were of the hostages. maybe that were held by hamas as well, which is what israel has been calling for in exchange would have in exchange farage. i would have also condemnation of also expected condemnation of hamas themselves, but that didn't appear to be any of this. the truth is the police were out of their depth . they had no of their depth. they had no opfion of their depth. they had no option but to focus on the easier to handle smaller crowd of the edl who came out and caused trouble, which wasn't good either because they are certainly no friend of jewish people . the police choosing to people. the police choosing to deal with hate crimes within the wider pro palestinian march instead later circulating images of people who broke the law because frankly , it would have because frankly, it would have been too dangerous to attempt to make any arrests in case the crowd turned on them. so what should the jewish people do whilst these marches are happening? yesterday our very own lizzie cundy was accosted on the tube on her way in. she was terrified . agree with braverman terrified. agree with braverman calling it hate marches. >> i've actually just got

involved with one. >> really. i was trying to get in today. >> two hours stuck. >> two hours stuck. >> they've closed all the roads, so i dumped the car and i'd tried to walk to the tube and i had a pro—palestine protester come up to me saying, are you a jew? >> are you a jew? and i was i just didn't know what to do. >> actually. i was really scared. i ran to the tube station, which they've closed now. there's trouble happening there. and i'm very i was very scared . so to say that these scared. so to say that these marches are peaceful is actually ignonng marches are peaceful is actually ignoring the fact that jewish people are afraid to leave their homes and were hounded outside synagogues. >> and actually it wasn't peaceful in the end. like i don't want anyone to die. and it is possible to believe that israel are right to root out hamas whilst also wanting the people of gaza to be safe. i mean, it's so tragic to hear of incubators running out of power and dying. the situation and babies dying. the situation in gaza horrendous , but hamas in gaza is horrendous, but hamas don't to care. i'd like don't appear to care. i'd like to see an end to the bloodshed

and soon. but what about the freedom of jewish people and their right to feel safe on our streets . well, before we get streets. well, before we get stuck into the debates , here's stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking is sadiq khan right to blame? suella braverman for violence at the marches, for the violence at the marches, the london has accused the the london mayor has accused the home of being home secretary of being responsible for the ugly scenes that in the capital on that broke out in the capital on armistice day, saying suella braverman has stirred up the so called far right . so braverman has stirred up the so called far right. so i'm asking, is sadiq khan right to blame suella for the violence at those marches? some of your thoughts gb views. gbnews.com or tweet me at then at it's at gb news. then at 450 it's worldview. i'll be speaking to the israeli government spokesperson , avi heiman the spokesperson, avi heiman on the situation in gaza. as for our humanitarian pauses have been agreed , i'll be asking if this agreed, i'll be asking if this decision is a wise one. he'll be live from israel. well, also cross over to los angeles with paul duddridge to get the latest

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>> he said, hello, chris. he said, where's your poppy? said, where's your poppy? i said, where's your poppy? i said, dennis, look, look. swathed in poppies. british legion scarf. he couldn't he couldn't see the wood for the trees now. >> so i'm going to start with you, christine, this you, christine, on this one then. what you what do you then. so what do you what do you think about that? sadiq think about that? well sadiq khan always blame somebody khan will always blame somebody else everything that goes else for everything that goes wrong, else for everything that goes wro it's else for everything that goes wroit's never his fault . and to >> it's never his fault. and to him to blame suella braverman is utterly she was right utterly ludicrous. she was right and she's been proved right . and and she's been proved right. and what i don't see going back one step is these people. i think i'm right. they've marched for four saturdays in a row. why couldn't they give a breather couldn't they give it a breather ? shows to me how the ? it shows to me how much the march organisers disrespect our way of life and our traditions and our culture. they knew perfectly well what this weekend meant to ordinary brits , and meant to ordinary brits, and they deliberately chose it . and they deliberately chose it. and if it hadn't been for that march being allowed to go ahead, we would never have had the counter march. of all the right wing. danny has something to say about that. so—called right that. these so—called right wingers , we would never have had

wingers, we would never have had that much and we would never have the scuffles. but the met, i mean, what are the met supposed to do? there aren't enough to take on enough of them to take them on full they are frightened full blown. they are frightened to step in. one third of metro politan police officers have less than four years experience as senior officers are always worried about. wokeism and they're terrified of being accused of racism and sexism. whatever it is . so it's no whatever it is. so it's no surprise and it's all very well to you know, take a photograph and we'll find them later. but how many of those people will they find and what will the punishment be for real hate crime, i wonder? we'll see. but no , he's quite wrong to blame. suella >> so, danny, what is your view on these marches actually happening on armistice day? that first one anyway? >> well, you know, there are over 500,000 minutes in a year. and all we ask as a british society, something that is sacrosanct, is that we ask you to keep your mouth shut for two of them on the 11th of the 11th. that's all we ask you know,

we're an incredibly tolerant society and we're a welcoming society and we're a welcoming society . and my point about society. and my point about politics is that don't politics is that i don't understand every media understand why every media outlet is labelling people either wing or far right. either right wing or far right. some of the most patriotic people in this country are left wingers from councillor states. they're called soldiers. mod they're called soldiers. the mod actively target young men and women now from very deprived areas. manchester liverpool, newcastle, not a right winger amongst them. i think what the media is doing in sadiq khan is being divisive here. he is politicising this. i don't know how those thugs with a warped sense of patriotism , i don't sense of patriotism, i don't know how they voted. it wouldn't surprise me if some of them were ex—military left wingers. but what they did, they did in a warped way. they did what they felt was the patriotic thing to do. now, getting involved with skirmishes with police is the wrong thing to do. but suella braverman didn't need to write an article in the sunday times or the times. forgive me, this was always going to happen because date sacrosanct .

because that date is sacrosanct. whether left winger or whether you're a left winger or whether you're a right winger, it's nothing to do with right wing politics. tommy wing politics. yes, tommy robinson . with 20 or robinson turned up. with 20 or 30 edl goons. i get that. but there would have been plenty of people, all spectrums of the politics of the political divide turning up because it was the patriotic thing to do, nothing to do with politics. >> do you know? i remember going back when at 11, 11, 11, on armistice day, literally , the armistice day, literally, the whole country came to a halt. you were in a shop. the shop stopped . if you were on a bus, stopped. if you were on a bus, the bus stopped. >> literally everybody respected that as though it was part of the ten commandments. >> and but nowadays and i'll tell you what really annoyed me on saturday that during the two minute could hear minute silence, you could hear helicopters now, helicopters going overhead. now, why is that necessary? we know why is that necessary? we know why there, because why is that necessary? we know why march there, because why is that necessary? we know why march wasthere, because why is that necessary? we know why march was allowed cause why is that necessary? we know why march was allowed .iuse that march was allowed. >> do you know, back in 2001, you had the oldham race riots again going back to politics, where there were pitch battles for three nights and there were pubs burnt and there were

mosques attacked and these were white class lads who, white working class lads who, because they live parallel lives to the asian community up in oldham, and each have entrenched ideas about how life should be. again, these were lads from left wing households . now this was wing households. now this was dunng wing households. now this was during a tony blair government 2001. so this happens at all times under all politics. it's got nothing to do with with right wing, left wing . it's to right wing, left wing. it's to do with it's to do with parallel lives that just don't rub along . well. >> well, it's i'm afraid it's another example. >> those riots and all the other things we've had are just an example of how multiculturalism has failed. and it always has failed. and it was always going fail. unfortunately and going to fail. unfortunately and this just another classic example. >> personally, i, i wouldn't use the broad umbrella of multiculturalism has failed . multiculturalism has failed. there are great examples of where multi for example, overall, it's failed. well okay. well that's a that's a view i know of great examples where people assimilate, where they get assimilation is the key to anything. of course , if you if anything. of course, if you if you are going to come into a

country from a different part of the world with different social values, different systems values, different belief systems , then i would like to think is the then you would the host country, then you would assimilate . absolutely. and you assimilate. absolutely. and you would in rather than there would fit in rather than there are areas of birmingham. i've travelled 96 miles. i know this is there's your is a cliche, but there's your weekly . weekly statement. >> has travelled 96 miles, >> danny has travelled 96 miles, everybody. >> danny has travelled 96 miles, eveyeah./. >> danny has travelled 96 miles, eveyeah. from from from royal >> yeah. from from from royal leamington , which is very leamington spa, which is very close to birmingham. i was close to birmingham. when i was working for the bbc in birmingham, were areas birmingham, there were areas of birmingham where where predominantly very few predominantly there are very few white now you've to white people. now you've got to ask yourself multiculturalism ask yourself if multiculturalism is success, how come that is such a success, how come that all the white people, not all of them, the majority of them, but the vast majority of them, but the vast majority of them, moved out? them, have moved out? >> you're proving my point. >> but you're proving my point. multiculturalism has in multiculturalism has failed in areas and my areas in massive areas. and my final thing, because i'm sure nana wants to move on, is if hamas is serious and if people marching are serious, why weren't they marching with placards said free the placards that said free the hostages, free the hostage? >> that's my point in there, isn't it? >> what they should have been marching? >> because whole if you if >> because the whole if you if you at all of this, i'd

you look at all of this, i'd like to see people asking for peace. i'd like to be able to see flanks alongside see israel flanks alongside palestinian flags. i'd like to see people condemning see people cast condemning hamas. see people hamas. i'd like to see people asking the release of the asking for the release of the hostages . none that was hostages. is none of that was there that wasn't there. you had a very divisive going a very divisive thing going on. you who seemed you had people who seemed perfectly normal, perfectly nice and normal, carrying that had carrying banners that had swastikas embedded in the star of david. you had them singing from river to the which from the river to the sea, which is chant. and i've is an offensive chant. and i've listened some radio listened to some radio programmes people call in programmes where people call in and justify why this and attempt to justify why this is acceptable chant. and when is an acceptable chant. and when the jewish themselves the jewish people themselves don't and don't find it acceptable. and that's barometer that is the that's the barometer that is the measure as to whether it's acceptable. that's right. >> it's the river jordan and it's mediterranean sea it's the mediterranean sea and the in between the country in between is israel. obliteration israel. it is the obliteration of they're calling of israel that they're calling for. if people don't know for. and if people don't know that, they shouldn't be joining a that. a march like that. >> the bottom line is the >> but the bottom line is the only and you know, only reason and i you know, obviously, my sympathies go obviously, all my sympathies go to because to the people in gaza because it's horrendous what's happening, the happening, of course. but the bottom the only reason bottom line is the only reason israel doesn't look is israel doesn't look like that is because the iron dome. so it's

not though hamas are not not as though hamas are not continuing bombard israel. continuing to bombard israel. the israel invested the fact is that israel invested their protecting their money in protecting their citizens, would citizens, whereas it would appear invested in appear hamas invested money in tunnels hospitals and tunnels underneath hospitals and places so that places of safety so that they can on this. and i'd can carry on with this. and i'd like to see it all end the ignorant irony of all of this and back to lizzie, being and going back to lizzie, being challenged, are you a jew? >> people once >> what people are once again confusing because they're deliberately conflating zionism with judaism. with the religion of judaism. now israel has existed for jews to live. now. lizzie i to live. now. lizzie cundy i don't know lizzie is a don't know whether lizzie is a jew or not. she's not she's not jewish, okay? even if she was jewish, okay? even if she was jewish, the that she's jewish, the fact that she's living proves the living in england proves the fact doesn't fact that she doesn't necessarily a personal necessarily have a personal interest zionism, because if interest in zionism, because if she in and any she was living in israel and any jew the planet can live in jew on the planet can live in israel, that's the deal. then then of a sudden that's then all of a sudden that's that's part zionist. that's part of the zionist. >> in your view, what's the difference zionism? difference between zionism? >> is a >> well, zionism is a geographical forjews geographical location for jews to judaism is religion. to live. judaism is a religion. thank you for that. >> some people do think the chances of any jewish person being out and about in london yesterday, i mean zero jewish friends that i have who live in

central london have stayed at home. >> well, they're not go out. >> well, they're not go out. >> the that's the >> that's the thing that's the thing people aren't talking thing that people aren't talking about are they saying, oh, yeah, it's it was very it's very peaceful. it was very peaceful. not jewish, peaceful. if you're not jewish, if it was if you're not jewish, it was very peaceful. don't leave your house. stay in your house. don't go synagogue. you're go to the synagogue. if you're coming warned. coming out of there, be warned. some them had to be escorted some of them had to be escorted from their. so in my view, that makes unpeaceful from their. so in my view, that mainot unpeaceful from their. so in my view, that mainot peaceful unpeaceful from their. so in my view, that mainot peaceful if unpeaceful from their. so in my view, that mainot peaceful if thataneaceful from their. so in my view, that mainot peaceful if that meanseful it's not peaceful if that means that. and a lot of people who wanted probably support wanted to probably support armistice day didn't come out because of because they were fearful of being, and say, being, you know, and people say, oh, edl, yeah, that wasn't oh, the edl, yeah, that wasn't acceptable either. i'm not saying any protests saying that any of the protests are nothing acceptable. i'm are nothing was acceptable. i'm just there shouldn't just saying that there shouldn't have of those protests have been any of those protests on that. and edl on any day like that. and edl would have been had it would not have been there had it not been for the pro—palestinian marches, take that marches, which i would take that point as well. well, point on board as well. well, listen, if you're just tuned in, welcome on board. this a welcome on board. this is a gb news on tv online and on digital radio. nana it's just radio. i'm nana akua. it's just coming minutes after coming up to 19 minutes after 4:00. next, it's time for the 4:00. up next, it's time for the great debate. this hour. great british debate. this hour. i'm is sadiq khan right i'm asking, is sadiq khan right to blame braverman for

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for the great british debate this hour. nana nana akua. and i'm asking, is sadiq khan right to blame suella braverman for the violence at the marches? now, after yesterday saw clashes at both the pro—palestinian march and the counter—protest in whitehall, many are blaming the home secretary, suella braverman , for supposedly stoking tensions and one of the main people calling for her resignation is london mayor sadiq khan . which is not sadiq khan. which is not a surprise. who said that the london violence was a direct result of braverman's words . he result of braverman's words. he was also joined by humza yousaf , was also joined by humza yousaf, the scottish first minister, who also claimed that the far right had emboldened by mrs. had been emboldened by mrs. braverman's the flames braverman's fanning, the flames of division and demanded that she resign. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is sadiq khan right to blame? braverman for the blame? suella braverman for the violence the marches? well violence at the marches? well i'm joined now by ben habib, deputy party. deputy leader of reform party. denis former minister denis macshane, former minister for james matthewson, for europe, james matthewson, a former labour party spokesperson, and parish, a spokesperson, and neil parish, a former tory so i'm going to former tory mp. so i'm going to start with you, neil parish , is start with you, neil parish, is sadiq right to blame suella

sadiq khan right to blame suella braverman for the violence at the marches ? the marches? >> no, because i think it's too simplistic because my belief is that the marshes shouldn't have taken place in the first place. >> now there's no doubt that suella comments and certainly talking about a mob did not help. and it may have encouraged some right wing gangs to be there. and let me make it clear, i mean, i'm appalled by the violence on on all sides . but i violence on on all sides. but i think, you know, it this was remembrance weekend and, um, we did not need the marches and i think you'll find there is, you know, there's almost difficulty on both sides because neither side will back down. and i think at the end of the day, those marches took place. there would have been violence , i'm afraid, have been violence, i'm afraid, because the right wing groups were there looking for trouble. that's what they do. and it's right that the police take very strong action on all groups that break the law. but i think suella braverman probably break the law. but i think suella in �*averman probably break the law. but i think suella in using an probably break the law. but i think suella in using the probably break the law. but i think suellain using the language)ly break the law. but i think suellain using the language she wrong in using the language she did. but i think it's very

simplistic just to say it's all the fault of suella braverman , the fault of suella braverman, because i think it was wrong to have the marches in the first place. >> yeah, interesting though, because it's not as if people haven't got their own minds. so you know, somebody might say something, then it's to down me to decision to make the decision as to whether act. then for me to whether i act. so then for me to be somebody else for be blaming somebody else for making me do something seems a bit that that suddenly bit odd that that suddenly becomes narrative they becomes the narrative when they want to blame someone like suella, have their want to blame someone like suelindividual have their want to blame someone like suelindividual minds.iave their want to blame someone like suelindividual minds. james air own individual minds. james matthewson yeah, i understand what saying there and what neil's saying there and i respect his view about the marches and all the rest of it. >> we happen disagree on >> we happen to disagree on that. he won't be that. he won't. he won't be surprised hear me say, surprised to hear me say, however, do that sadiq however, i do believe that sadiq khan right in this. whatever khan is right in this. whatever you think sadiq khan, you think of sadiq khan, i believe he's called this correctly, as is humza, yousuf, yusuf braverman yusuf and suella braverman has used playbook used the donald trump playbook at of the way. she's at every step of the way. she's used incendiary language. used this incendiary language. it's purposefully divisive. it whips people up. it whips the tensions up of all sorts of groups of people. and unfortunately, yesterday saw groups of people. and unflimpactely, yesterday saw groups of people. and unf(impact of yesterday saw groups of people. and unf(impact of that. erday saw groups of people. and unf(impact of that. wey saw groups of people. and

unf(impact of that. we saw saw groups of people. and unf(impact of that. we saw these the impact of that. we saw these these thugs like sir these racist thugs like sir tommy robinson . tommy robinson. >> mean, we thought we'd we'd >> i mean, we thought we'd we'd done a long time. >> you know, the man is scumbag. >> he represents the worst of our society. >> and he was embolden yesterday to to the streets and try to take to the streets and try and disturb something that's incredibly to people incredibly important to people of all cultures and communities in country . in this country. >> yeah. i mean, i hear >> well, yeah. i mean, i hear you calling a scumbag. he's you calling him a scumbag. he's not defend himself. i'm not here to defend himself. i'm not here to defend himself. i'm not him but he not defending him either. but he isn't defend himself. isn't here to defend himself. so i that to you. but i have to put that to you. but you're saying that donald trump playbook, but also you said was that marches and that these were hate marches and there a lot of hate on the there was a lot of hate on the march. will you not at least admit that james wouldn't? march. will you not at least adrshe's1t james wouldn't? march. will you not at least adrshe's conflatingjuldn't? march. will you not at least adrshe's conflating )u to |'t? march. will you not at least adrshe's conflatingju to the >> she's conflating it to the likes situations with likes of situations with northern ireland. >> casually. this is >> i mean, so casually. this is one of the highest offices of state. and you're that state. and when you're in that position, single position, every single word matters. if you're not being matters. and if you're not being cautious enough to check every single impact it may single word, the impact it may have on different groups and different people in the country that you are standing or represent then represent it, then unfortunately, you're either not smart be home smart enough to be home secretary are secretary or you are

deliberately this and deliberately doing this and mean. i have to say, unfortunately, looking at suella braverman's track record, it seems would as far to say seems you would go as far to say that she better than that she does no better than what doing. she's chosen what she's doing. she's chosen this purposefully, this language purposefully, but they're lemmings. this language purposefully, but the�*they're lemmings. this language purposefully, but the�*they're not mings. this language purposefully, but the�*they're not minggoing to go >> they're not just going to go along ben habib well, along with it. ben habib well, i don't think suella braverman is to blame for the marches and we know we saw today know that because we saw today a completely harmonious commemoration for remembrance sunday and there were no marches yesterday, was not harmonious. >> it was because 300,000 plus people decided to descend on london and espouse values which are alien to any civilised individual people calling for palestine to be free from the to river the sea. in other words, advocating the obliterate ation of a legitimate democratic country, and that is unacceptable at every level . and unacceptable at every level. and that for me is hate and you do. you do not get peace in the middle east by advocating hate. what they should have been doing on the march was championing peace. what they should have been for hamas to been asking for was for hamas to

release the hostages, for hamas to themselves up to idf to give themselves up to the idf . so the palestinians didn't have to suffer. and for a two state system, with the recognition of israel and a peaceful long term settlement, that would have been the right way to go fonnard. and sadiq khan, afraid, is guilty of khan, i'm afraid, is guilty of precisely what he accuses suella braverman of. he's constantly whipping up division amongst people. for example, i shouldn't have to remind people of this, but he was the one his office put out an image of a family of four white people saying they do not represent london. he is a master of manipulating division and he should step down from attacking suella braverman. >> well, i think he subsequently did change that when he realised that the sort of anger that people were with regard to that. but that was part of his sort of style guide. wasn't that within his mayoral pamphlet? let's go to denis macshane. >> dennis, i'm simply a loss. >> dennis, i'm simply at a loss. ijust >> dennis, i'm simply at a loss. i just listened to conservative mps. i to neil there . mps. i listened to neil there. we could all fantasise the march

shouldn't have taken place. i argued that week ago, but it argued that a week ago, but it did was hugely peaceful did. it was hugely peaceful compared to violence. i can see outside football matches many a saturday or sunday at the weekend , and the people who were weekend, and the people who were attacked were the police by a very ugly people , very ugly people, unrepresentative people like tommy robinson, who represent the worst of british political activism . um, and they were activism. um, and they were pulled on to the streets. everybody agrees by the home secretary attacking the home secretary attacking the home secretary , attacking the secretary, attacking the commissioner of the metropolitan police, who had a terrible decision to take. he's been 100% vindicated. no, i preserved our freedom. >> dennis the week before. let's talk about the march. the week before, because they were attacking police. were attacking police. they were throwing fireworks and everything. the everything. and a lot of the judgement well have judgement may well have been based that, which is what based on that, which is what we're seeing since the start of this. fact, even before the this. in fact, even before the marches even marches were anything, even before retaliated , before israel had retaliated, there lot there was a lot of pro—palestinian. mean, would there was a lot of pwould estinian. mean, would there was a lot of pwould say1ian. mean, would there was a lot of pwould say let's mean, would there was a lot of pwould say let's follow , would there was a lot of pwould say let's follow the vould i would say let's follow the example president macron .

example of president macron. >> government today , >> the french government today, who've just been organising huge large demonstrations in paris and big french cities against anti semitism with all politicians inviting the far right, the left. what about why can't we do that instead of obsessing? but suella braverman isn't interested in any of that. every tory mp neil, you don't know neil, every tory mp know that she's not interested in that. >> ask neil what? ask him. >> ask neil what? ask him. >> ask neil what? ask him. >> ask neil. very simply as representing tory mps , she is representing tory mps, she is running to be the leader of the conservative party after sunak goes back to khalife to. that's what this is all about. >> do you think that's what it's about? neil i don't think that is precisely what it's about. >> i think it is very much about the marches. like i said, it shouldn't take place . there is shouldn't take place. there is always certain amount always a certain amount of positioning which you positioning in parties which you have very careful so i have to be very careful of. so i mean, dennis not entirely mean, dennis is not entirely wrong, i think in the end , wrong, but i think in the end, let's it because i think let's debate it because i think the jewish community are very worried about what's going on. they feel fearful . and i think,

they feel fearful. and i think, you know, we really this march should never have taken place. and i think suella braverman had a really good point, but i think she overplayed it. and it's going to be interesting now the politics of because you see, politics of it, because you see, i it was wrong for the i think it was wrong for the marches take place. if she marches to take place. if she had not made her comments. that's what would have been that's what we would have been talking now problem talking about. now the problem politically talking politically is now we're talking exactly about what and exactly about what she said and how she handled herself. and that's where number 10 and the party will getting very party will be getting very uncomfortable, i suspect. >> okay . okay. so me ask you >> okay. okay. so let me ask you then, neil, so yes or no then , then, neil, so yes or no then, is sadiq khan right to blame suella for all the trouble that was there? yes or no? >> no. he's not right. >> no. he's not right. >> james mathewson , yes or no? >> james mathewson, yes or no? sadiq khan, right to blame suella yes, entirely. >> just the same . as you know, >> just the same. as you know, we've held people like donald trump to account for his hate language that caused act of immediate violence straight after we should be holding suella braverman to denis macshane. >> yes, every police officer agrees with with that . you don't

agrees with with that. you don't know that. not every police officer. >> they were intimate . they were. >> you speak for you, dennis. yes or no? >> well, of course i'm against hate language that she used. so yes, sadiq khan is right. >> so what about the hate language used the marches? language used on the marches? and finally, habib, sadiq and finally, ben habib, sadiq khanis and finally, ben habib, sadiq khan is wrong. >> he's on just about >> he's wrong on just about everything thing. he should keep his shut out of his mouth shut and stay out of it. right. it. all right. >> thank very james >> thank you very much, james mathewson, former labour party spokesperson neil parish, conservative khan, conservative mp sadiq khan, former conservative mp. sadiq sadiq khan. he's not here. denis macshane and also ben habib, thank you so much. thank you to you for your thoughts. let's see what viewers think of that as well. don't forget, you can get in touch by the means. in touch by the usual means. this is news on tv, online this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio on the way. we'll continue the great we'll continue with the great british debate this hour and i'm asking, sadiq khan right asking, is sadiq khan right to blame braverman the blame suella braverman for the violence marches? violence at the marches? you will thoughts will hear the thoughts of my panel will hear the thoughts of my panel. christine hamilton and danny kelly. first, let's danny kelly. but first, let's get news headlines get your latest news headlines with . aaron with. aaron >> it's 432. i'm aaron armstrong

in the newsroom. the home secretary has condemned anti—semitic behaviour during the armistice day demonstration in london, hundreds of thousands of pro—police opinion protesters marched peacefully through the capital yesterday . but the met capital yesterday. but the met police says it's actively investigating a number of possible cases of hate crime. suella braverman has described some chants and placards as sick, inflammatory and clearly criminal. she's called for further action. she also praised officers for their handling of the disorder after far right counterparts clashed with police in an effort to confront the main march. nine officers were injured . police have confirmed injured. police have confirmed the vast majority of the 145 arrests yesterday were counter—protesters . seven have counter—protesters. seven have been charged with various offences . the king has led the offences. the king has led the nafion offences. the king has led the nation observing a two minute silence on remembrance day, honounng silence on remembrance day, honouring fallen soldiers. the prince of wales was among the senior royals to stand behind king charles. the monarch, wearing the uniform of the marshal of the royal air force, he laid a wreath similar to the

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and aggression both sides and aggression from both sides and aggression from both sides and at the moment they are trying to use imagery to work out who from the palestinian side caused issues. and side has caused issues. and there those arrests well there were those arrests as well by from the edl or from the by some from the edl or from the far right supposedly . so let's far right supposedly. so let's see my panel maker that i'm see what my panel maker that i'm joined and joined by, journalist and broadcaster danny kelly and author broadcaster christine author and broadcaster christine hamilton right. going hamilton. all right. i'm going to you, danny kelly. to start with you, danny kelly. what think, khan's what do you think, sadiq khan's comments are? >> is evidence and i've >> there is evidence and i've seen it online where there were some goons singing towards the police. you're not english anymore or or words to that effect. now that would to me, that would sort of suggest that they had attention to they had paid attention to suella bravermans comments about policing differently for one group of people and policing differently for another group of people. so has it emboldened? has it inflamed? i would say that it must have emboldened and inflamed. back to inflamed. but i take you back to my point. yesterday was my earlier point. yesterday was always to kick off. was always going to kick off. it was always going to kick off. it was always going to kick off. it was always going happen because always going to happen because what we're confusing now we what we're confusing now and we need to differentiate between nationalism right and nationalism and far right and patriotism now, there's a danger

being patriotic is fine. the love of your country being a nationalist, isn't that fine because you think your culture is better and superior than other people's cultures and you think your country think that your country is better superior than other think that your country is better countries?�* than other think that your country is better countries? i:han other think that your country is better countries? i would her think that your country is better countries? i would say peoples countries? i would say i'm a patriot. i'm definitely not a nationalist. and yesterday people descended, patriots descended and nationalists descended and nationalists descended and nationalists descended and unfortunately, it ended up in a cocktail of violence. but some of it, according to the social media videos i saw, where people were singing to the old bill, you're not english anymore. so i would say that's a connection to her comments . comments. >> christine hamilton she >> christine hamilton well, she ihave >> christine hamilton well, she i have to emote about what happened over the weekend. >> one is, is anger at the way our very precious weekend? it's very rare that armistice day and remembrance sunday come together as one weekend. the way it's been hijacked . and we should be been hijacked. and we should be talking about the remembrance side of it all and the wonderful ceremony at the cenotaph and all

that sort of thing, instead of which we're talking about hate marches and there is no such thing as absolute freedom of speech. it always has to be balanced with other things. and the on this occasion was the balance on this occasion was whether the right of britain to continue with its annual celebrations , commemoration at celebrations, commemoration at the cenotaph should trump the right of people to march for whatever reason. and i think suella braverman was absolutely right. there were plenty of people in that march. they knew who had organised the march, the march had been organised partially by hamas people. so if you didn't have any support for hamas, you would not go on that march. and unfortunately there were a lot of what are useful idiots . they are. stalin coined idiots. they are. stalin coined the term for people from america who used to go over and sympathise with the communists , sympathise with the communists, etcetera, and he called them useful idiots and he used them for their ends. and the hamas are using people who for the best will in the world, went out to march because they thought

they marching for peace. they were marching for peace. they for peace. they weren't marching for peace. they weren't marching for peace. they and the size they were marching and the size of that march demonstrate to hamas there are enough hamas that there are enough people with them. if that march hadn't taken place, and i don't think should have done think it should have done any other the week and other other day of the week and other weekends can march if that weekends they can march if that hadn't taken place, we wouldn't have had the counter marches from from the patriots and we wouldn't have had any of this trouble. and we could have just had our normal remembrance commemoration, which is what it should have been. so i really so regret, you know, i was i was so pleased. >> i'm going to die verge from you for a moment. you do that because i thought it should have taken place. and i'm glad that it took place after 11:00. and let qualify this, because at let me qualify this, because at the moment, the people who are supporting palestinians and supporting the palestinians and we need to differentiate between the vile individuals supporting hamas and the people who are supporting the end of the war. and there are a mixture of people in this. >> of course, not everyone can have the same view. >> correct? they have they have

a legitimate argument point that they need to put as much pressure on the israeli government. not to it government. now not to delay it for this weekend. they've been putting every single putting pressure on every single weekend so far. >> we know about it. it's >> and we know about it. it's not it's agree. not it's not i agree. >> but the war isn't stopping. the war is continuing. and so they would whether i agree they would say whether i agree with or not, argument with it or not, their argument would be, well, if we delay it, if then that is if we postpone it, then that is that alleviate the pressure that is alleviate the pressure from israeli government. from the israeli government. that's what they say. that's what they would say. >> about putting pressure >> what about putting pressure on to release hostages on hamas to release the hostages ? the first ? that i agree is the first thing should come and thing that should come and i take your point, but still take your point, but i still think outrageous. and think it was outrageous. and i believe speech, believe in free speech, etcetera. and people died. >> so that free speech, free speech has been a within a democracy. so the difference between speech here and between free speech here and free in is that you free speech in china is that you do have a dictatorship do not have a dictatorship telling and telling you what you can and can't say. okay. so that's where you've got the divergence and the difference. free speech within is where we within a democracy is where we as a general public on what as a general public vote on what is acceptable and what isn't acceptable and where the line is . it works. so we . and that's how it works. so we have as to which you

have a line as to which you don't cross. and of those don't cross. and some of those things, i i think was things, i believe, i think was crossed many that is crossed in many ways. so that is the it's not you know, the point. it's not you know, people oh, freedom of people say, oh, freedom of speech. saying doesn't mean speech. i'm saying doesn't mean that can or do whatever that you can say or do whatever it means within a democracy. it's not determined by a dictator as to what you can say. it's determined within the democracy to what democracy as to what is acceptable is not acceptable. and that is not absolute and braverman absolute and suella braverman knew that the line was going to be crossed if that march took place. >> and it was. >> and it was. >> but the thing is, i watched the two minutes at the cenotaph. you could a pin drop so you could hear a pin drop so i could hear helicopters. yes. that would be the radio. that would be on the radio. >> and i could hear like a buzzing on saturday. >> you white noise? yeah >> you heard white noise? yeah of course. >> saturday, were helicopters. >> true? maybe not. helicopters. >> irue? maybe not. helicopters. >> i didn'tiaybe not. helicopters. >> i didn't hear not. helicopters. >> i didn't hear them today. i don't think that they can land and take off central and then take off in central london observe. london just to observe. >> minutes. silence. but >> two minutes. silence. but i understand your point. but i could hear a drop. which. could hear a pin drop. which. which met with great relief which was met with great relief from myself. so what we managed to successfully about to do successfully forget about the a second. you the fighting for a second. you had 300,000 had 150 to 300,000 people protesting had protesting and you had the two

minute immaculately minute silence in immaculately observed. that's observed. now i think that's almost a success. >> i think well, of course, >> i think it well, of course, the two minutes a success, the two minutes is a success, but my problem with this, though, is that that march could have time. have happened at another time. and view, it was and in my view, it was deliberately provocative to sort of this environment, of create this environment, which is what happened. and of create this environment, wiit:h is what happened. and of create this environment, wiit:h is ime: happened. and of create this environment, wiit:h is ime and happened. and of create this environment, wiit:h is ime and iwere ned. and of create this environment, wiit:h is ime and iwere ind. and if it were me and i were in charge, have absolutely charge, i would have absolutely not it and i would have not allowed it and i would have found some law somewhere to make sure didn't on sure that it didn't happen on that weekend. and yes, we have freedom also freedom of speech, but we also expect to protect expect our government to protect and keep the people of this country and think some country safe. and i think some of people who weren't of the people who weren't protected, this protected, especially this weekend, the weekend, would have been the jewish and i'm kind of jewish people. and i'm kind of sick and tired of people blaming suella other people's actions. >> had to stay at home >> jews had to stay at home because they were frightened to go march to me was go out. and that march to me was was frankly was for two fingers to our way of life, two fingers to our way of life, two fingers to our way of life, two fingers to our culture, two fingers to british and british british values and british traditions. lots traditions. oh, there was lots of have taken place. >> of that on >> there was lots of that on display. you wearing a display. if you were wearing a p°ppy- i've display. if you were wearing a poppy. i've seen it poppy. again, i've seen it online. that's right. people were people approached and online. that's right. people were great.e approached and online. that's right. people were great hostility. jproached and online. that's right. people were great hostility. jproa ared and with great hostility. why are you wearing poppies and all of

this? >> they don't know why we're wearing poppies. >> they don't know why we're weithey poppies. >> they don't know why we're weithey haven't absorbed any. >> they haven't absorbed any. >> they haven't absorbed any. >> brits. these >> these were young brits. these were brits. >> these were young brits. these werwell, brits. >> these were young brits. these werwell, bi ts. >> these were young brits. these werwell, bi think there's >> well, but i think there's also an argument that young people really these were people don't really these were british, asian kids, muslim kids. well, listen, british, asian kids, muslim kidsabout well, listen, british, asian kids, muslim kidsabout we well, listen, british, asian kids, muslim kidsabout we willell, listen, british, asian kids, muslim kidsabout we will talk sten, british, asian kids, muslim kidsabout we will talk about no, about we will talk about that because we've got to that because we've got loads to discuss in discuss and that is actually in the going to the next hour, we're going to discuss subject pretty similar discuss a subject pretty similar to that. but this show is nothing and your nothing without you and your views. welcome our great views. let's welcome our great british voice, their opportunity views. let's welcome our great br be1 voice, their opportunity views. let's welcome our great br be on jice, their opportunity views. let's welcome our great br be on the their opportunity views. let's welcome our great br be on the show opportunity views. let's welcome our great br be on the show and ortunity views. let's welcome our great br be on the show and tell1ity views. let's welcome our great br be on the show and tell us to be on the show and tell us what really about the what they really think about the topics discussing. where topics we're discussing. where should over today? should we head over today? shall we kidderminster? yeah we get to kidderminster? yeah i miss where's my where is miss my map. where's my where is youn miss my map. where's my where is your. i don't know. i don't know. i don't know what's going on. reid, where are on. john? john reid, where are you? he's there in kidderminster, hi kidderminster, apparently. hi john. as john. do you miss the map as well? it's gone. john. well? it's gone. cutbacks, john. cutbacks already cutbacks although it's already made. stick it in. made. you just stick it in. yeah. listen, john, do yeah. so, listen, john, what do you what? what's you think then? what? what's your bring back the map. >> let's get a campaign going. >> let's get a campaign going. >> yeah, yeah, let's do it. >> yeah, yeah, let's do it. >> yeah. gb news is great for his free speech, and that's why i when i do it. i do this when i do it. >> i love coming on here and

talking and giving my talking and giving you my opinion. >> why i have any time for suella? >> none at all. >> none at all. >> do i have any time for sadiq? >> do i have any time for sadiq? >> not really. um, on this event, don't that suella event, i don't think that suella is. were proper, is. comments were very proper, but incite violence ? but did they incite violence? no, not in my world, no. >> i don't think they did. >> i don't think they did. >> think it would have >> i think it would have happened anyway. whether she said nothing or whether said nothing at all or whether she some terrible speech, she made some terrible speech, i don't you know , don't think she she's you know, effected anything particularly . effected anything particularly. >> i don't think she's added anything to the debate. >> i don't think she's taken anything away. think it would anything away. i think it would have because you've got have happened because you've got a population which is a population now which is divided got divided and we've got a government that's divided. >> got a country that's >> we've got a country that's divided . divided. >> how we going to put an >> how are we going to put an end all? who knows? end to it all? who knows? general election, suppose. but general election, i suppose. but yeah, bring back the nana. >> we'll sort it out. >> we'll sort it out. >> we'll sort out the map. listen, reid, listen, john reid, always a pleasure. this is gb news. we're live digital live on tv online on digital radio. fabulous john radio. that's a fabulous john reid we've got loads still reid said we've got loads still to the show. i've got my to come on the show. i've got my wonderful outside you're wonderful outside guests. you're going who that is. going to find out who that is. still to come, i'll be speaking

to government spokesman still to come, i'll be speaking to heimannvernment spokesman still to come, i'll be speaking to heiman on�*nment spokesman still to come, i'll be speaking to heiman on theent spokesman still to come, i'll be speaking to heiman on the situationiman still to come, i'll be speaking to heiman on the situation inan avi heiman on the situation in gaza. as for our humanitarian pauses agreed . but pauses have been agreed. but first, some weather. first, let's get some weather. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. storm debby has been named by met air and the irish weather service and is expected to by the jet to be picked up by the jet stream and powered towards ireland and the uk we head ireland and the uk as we head throughout and into throughout tonight and into monday. for some monday. potential for some disruptive weather, particularly for the irish for northern ireland. the irish sea, and across sea, coastal areas and across northern where northern areas of england where severe possible . for northern areas of england where seveevening possible . for northern areas of england where seveevening we possible . for northern areas of england where seveevening we see ssible . for northern areas of england where seveevening we see this: . for northern areas of england where seveevening we see this band of this evening we see this band of rain its way northwards rain pushing its way northwards into it's here into scotland. but it's here storm debby arriving in the southwest . some heavy rain southwest. some very heavy rain pushing wales and pushing into england, wales and then northern then particularly northern ireland very ireland later on. very persistent here. some flooding is this wave of gales is possible. this wave of gales developing the as well. developing in the west as well. with the cloud, the rain and with all the cloud, the rain and the it will be a milder the wind, it will be a milder night to but night compared to last, but a touch frost is still possible touch of frost is still possible across rural areas northern across rural areas of northern scotland. very unsettled start scotland. a very unsettled start to new working week and a to the new working week and a very disruptive rush very disruptive morning rush hour rain pushing hour as well. heavy rain pushing its eventually reaching

its way in, eventually reaching parts scotland. wave of parts of scotland. a wave of severe mile an hour severe gales, 80 mile an hour possible coastal possible winds across coastal areas england , 55 areas of northwest england, 55 to mile an hour possible to 60 mile an hour possible across pennines and other across the pennines and other areas northern england. areas of northern england. it does turn brighter for central and of england and southern areas of england and southern areas of england and on the day, and wales. later on in the day, temperatures around 15, 16 c here. feeling bit here. but still feeling a bit colder that where you are colder than that where you are exposed to the blustery winds into it's not into tuesday. it's not as disruptive monday, it is disruptive as monday, but it is going fairly going to remain fairly unsettled. of sunshine unsettled. a mixture of sunshine and showers. those showers could be at times some be heavy at times with some thunderstorms hail in the thunderstorms and hail in the mixture and on mixture as well. and we hold on to unsettled into the to the unsettled theme into the middle of middle part and second half of the as well with more wet the week as well with more wet and windy weather the way by

by jauyst by just coming up byt com|ng jus by just coming up to 54 minutes after 4:00. >> this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana o'quinn it's time now for world view. and joining me to talk about the developments in the israel—hamas conflict is the israeli government spokesperson an avi good an avi hyman. avi good afternoon. thank you for joining me. avi, how successful has israel's ground operations been . in >> well, firstly , thank you very >> well, firstly, thank you very much for having me on. >> nana. we're moving fonnard. we're moving fonnard with our mission , which is twofold. mission, which is twofold. first, to destroy the hamas military operation. >> the hamas government entirely , and obviously to free the 240

israelis that were taken captive against all wars of law . against all wars of law. >> there's they took, as you know , men, women, children, know, men, women, children, toddlers and even babies . and toddlers and even babies. and our mission is ploughing ahead. we've surrounded gaza city. we're keeping the pressure up on on hamas . we're taking out a lot on hamas. we're taking out a lot of hamas targets , pinpointing of hamas targets, pinpointing hamas and doing our very best to avoid severe civilian casualties in a way that no army has likely donein in a way that no army has likely done in the history of modern warfare. yeah, but we have to keep going until we take care of this issue so that hamas never again in perpetrate the likes of atrocities that we saw on september , on october 7th, when september, on october 7th, when they ploughed through our borders , killing men, women and borders, killing men, women and children , killing children in children, killing children in front of their parents, parents in front of their children, beheading babies, opening fire on babies, cots. the people of israel can no longer go on with

a terrorist entity, an isis like entity on our southern border . entity on our southern border. this is an existential threat that we need to deal with now. and we are dealing with it now. >> of course, you've been a lot of pressure on israel to have some sort of pause during the fighting, and those have been arranged. now, that arranged. now, how does that affect you militarily ? affect you militarily? >> so there's been a lot of talk of the humanitarian pauses . of the humanitarian pauses. >> i can tell you that even before that talk, humanity pauses were happening. for example , when two of our people example, when two of our people were released by hamas. and then another two were released by hamas, there were pauses. now, let me define a humanitarian pause for you. it's not a ceasefire. there won't be a ceasefire. there won't be a ceasefire until hamas is finished and until our hostages are released entirely without you know, without any preconditions . um, when we talk preconditions. um, when we talk about pauses, there can be a two houn about pauses, there can be a two hour, three hour, four hour pause in a specific area so that

we can enable civilians, gaza and civilians , to move out of and civilians, to move out of the line of fire, which we've done, we've done for the last three weeks. we've called on on gazans to move south and they have almost a million of them have almost a million of them have in those humanitarian corridors. they've moved to the safer zone the coast in the safer zone by the coast in the south because our war is with hamas. we're going after hamas and we want to minimise civilian casualties . so yeah, we can take casualties. so yeah, we can take a specific quick pause in a specific area while still keeping the pressure on hamas everywhere else . everywhere else. >> now, of course, we heard that the al—shifa hospital was bombed. can you sort of tell me categorically if it was israel that bombed the hospital or was it a backfire or something like that from hamas or from gaza itself? >> what i can what i can tell you categorically is that israel does not israel does not target hospitals or humanitarian facilities of any kind. i can tell you also categorically that hamas embeds themself underneath

hospitals, mosques , schools. hospitals, mosques, schools. they shoot from in and around , they shoot from in and around, from around un and humanity facilities to try and draw fire from israel to the best of my knowledge, that was not an israeli attack . we have israeli attack. we have explained pretty much from the beginning of the operation that that shifa hospital, the biggest hospital in gaza, and this is a tragedy to say biggest tragedy to even say the biggest hospital in gaza is where hamas has their underground command and control centre . they they and control centre. they they put it there for very good reason because they know that we don't attack humanitarian facilities. so i want people to just think a little bit about the tunnels in gaza. we're not talking about some bad guys, leah. we're talking about something the magnitude of the london underground, a multi—layered underground world multi —layered underground world where multi—layered underground world where they have hogged food for fuel, water and obviously

munitions to, uh, to kill as many jewish men, women and children as they can. so now they are they are trying to centre the conflicts around the shifa hospital , al where they shifa hospital, al where they are based . we have tried our are based. we have tried our very to best evacuate that hospital. we even called on the hospital's leadership to allow us to give them fuel, to allow us to give them fuel, to allow us to give them fuel, to allow us to take out the patients and to our knowledge, from what we're hearing, hamas is doing their very best, not only to keep our 250 israelis hostage , keep our 250 israelis hostage, but to keep the people of northern gaza hostage, because whereas my friends on the seven friends and family on the 7th of october put down their babies and their and their children's and their and their children's and said to their spouses, we're going off to to war, fight a just war, an existential threat against our nation. we're going to hamas like cowards, ran to war. hamas like cowards, ran underground under their children, under their hospitals , children, under their hospitals, under their schools, because

they fight behind civilians while we fight on behalf of civilians . civilians. >> and finally, because we're running out of time, i just want to get your view on all of the protests that you're seeing, the pro—palestinian marches that are going around what going on around the world. what are those ? are your thoughts on those? >> nana it's a worrying day when jews are scared to go into central london because of what's going on. i've seen people dressed up in balaclava in masks with hamas headbands on. i've seen stars of david into wind with swastikas . i mean, we ask with swastikas. i mean, we ask people if they were with us when we were the victim, um, that they be with us when we're the victor. chants of from the river to the sea, palestine will be free. understand what that means? that means pull aside the total eradication of the jewish state, the one and only jewish state. and it means genocide of the jewish people. and i remind your hamas is your viewers that hamas is charter very clear . first, charter is very clear. first, they want to eradicate the

jewish state secondly, they jewish state and secondly, they want to they want to eradicate jews everywhere there. so if i was a jew walking the streets of london, i would be very, very scared at that. and other chants which only at which are directed not only at israel, at the jewish israel, but at the jewish community england . community in england. >> you. thank you so much >> thank you. thank you so much for that's avi for talking to me. that's avi hyman. a spokesperson for hyman. he's a spokesperson for the israeli government. he's live thank you so live in israel. thank you so much. this is gb news ben much. well this is gb news ben live on tv online and on digital radio. quickly, briefly travelling over to america, we'll speak to the host of the politics podcast, paul politics people podcast, paul duddndge. politics people podcast, paul duddridge . paul we're going to duddridge. paul we're going to have to make this one brief because i've got to go to the news. i can't believe it. i was so busy talking to the israeli spokesperson, but let's briefly talk with regard to the democrats and what's going on there. which there. the abortion issue, which has with helping has been credited with helping them than them to perform better than expected elections. >> yeah, there were elections this week. >> we've talked about it's >> we've talked about it. it's going to the republicans in going to sink the republicans in 2024, as predicted on this channel by us weeks and months .

channel by us weeks and months. we've talked about this for a year now. uh, democrats are going to be campaigning in 2024 on abortion and they've just had a success, a massive success this week as an indicator of barometer of what's what they're capable of. in 2024, the republican have absolutely shot themselves in the foot with this awful, awful bill, roe v wade, repealing. so, yes, so we've seen the results of that this week. >> and briefly, trump says that he's going to consider tucker carlson as his vice president . carlson as his vice president. is that a true thing or a false thing ? thing? >> true thing, true thing . >> true thing, true thing. listen, there's two twofold. very, very quickly . um, he very, very quickly. um, he brought up tucker carlson that he might consider him to be his running mate. the maga movement, the make america great again movement sees tucker carlson as its future leader. actually so it's an important it's an important name check from donald trump is paul duddridge. >> thank you. succinct as ever. this is a gb news. we're live on tv online and digital radio.

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some chants and placards as sick, inflammatory and clearly criminal and has called for further action. she also praised officers for their handling of disorder after right wing counter—protesters were who were trying to confront the rally, clashed with police . the force, clashed with police. the force, which arrested 145 people yesterday, have confirmed seven have been charged with various offences . british transport offences. british transport police is also investigating a racially aggravated altercation at london waterloo and has released the photos of four men. it's trying to identify authorities also want to speak to a woman over an alleged anti—semitic hate crime at victoria station . meanwhile, the victoria station. meanwhile, the home secretary who attended today's remembrance service is being blamed for stoking tensions ahead of the pro—palestinian protests during the week. suella braverman described the demonstrations as hate marches and she questioned the integrity of the police for allowing yesterday's rally to go ahead. allowing yesterday's rally to go ahead . a scottish first ahead. a scottish first minister, humza yousaf , is among minister, humza yousaf, is among the chorus of growing voices

calling for her to go afraid that the home secretary's position in my view, is untenable. >> she should in fact not even be allowed to resign . she should be allowed to resign. she should just be sacked by the prime minister because no home secretary should be fanning the flames of division. quite the opposite , however, the defence opposite, however, the defence secretary, grant shapps , has secretary, grant shapps, has defended his cabinet colleague job as home secretary is to make sure that quite properly that the powers exist and the powers are then used within the operational independence of the police to make sure that marches and protests are properly policed and where the laws have been broken as they clearly have been broken as they clearly have beenin been broken as they clearly have been in some cases, that those prosecutions take place, that thatis prosecutions take place, that that is what a home secretary is there for. >> now, i wouldn't quite put it in her language. it's not the language i would have used, but the point still stands. >> the king has led the nation observing a two minute silence on remembrance honouring

on remembrance day, honouring fallen soldiers . while the fallen soldiers. while the prince of wales was among the senior royals to stand behind king charles. the monarch was wearing the uniform of the marshal of the royal air force. he then laid a wreath similar to the one produced for king george, the sixth. the prime minister a labour leader and a number of former leaders were also at the cenotaph in central london with senior politicians and dignitaries . man's been and dignitaries. man's been charged with the murder of a woman who a mother who was killed in front of her children in manchester. perseverance in kobe was found with a single stab wound to the chest in the early hours of friday morning. she later died in hospital. 45 year obert moyo has been year old obert moyo has been charged possession of an charged with possession of an offensive weapon and is due offensive weapon and he is due to in court tomorrow to appear in court tomorrow where the warnings have been issued for northern ireland. england and parts of wales. as storm debby approaches. it's the fourth named storm of the season . heavy gale force

. heavy rain and gale force winds up to 80 miles an hour are expected earlier this month. storm kieran caused widespread flooding. the yellow alerts will be in place from 3 am. tomorrow morning until 6:00 in the evening . and iceland is evening. and iceland is preparing for a volcanic eruption. the island's been hit by a series of earthquakes over the last few days and authorities say there's evidence of magma spreading rapidly underground . in the south—west, underground. in the south—west, thousands of residents have been evacuated from the town of grindavik , one of iceland's most grindavik, one of iceland's most popular attractions . the blue popular attractions. the blue lagoon spa, has also been forced to close . well, this is gb news to close. well, this is gb news to close. well, this is gb news to live across the uk on tv, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker two now it's back to nana. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 5:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking

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britain at risk of losing its national identity? this week we've pro—palestine march we've seen a pro—palestine march take place on armistice day, at times seen as some in the country as one of the most solemn days. and i'm also asking, losing its asking, is britain losing its identity as ever? you can get in touch. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news as. s0 or tweet me at gb news as. so each sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take a look at life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside. now my next guest is tv personality . now he shot is a tv personality. now he shot to fame on the only way is essex and has made guest appearances on i'm a celebrity , get me out on i'm a celebrity, get me out of here. he's also been a very active campaigner and began a petition to make homophobia a criminal offence, which is also spoken about in parliament. any guesses? well, i'm joined now by bobby norris, radio and tv personality and all round

entertainer . thank you, bobby. entertainer. thank you, bobby. >> thank you for having me. it's a pleasure to be in the studio. >> it's the first thing that jumps out at me. your teeth are so white, mate. let's have a look. oh, let's have a shot of them. look look at them. look at this. look at those lashes. >> they're not god given. >> they're not god given. >> really. >> they're not really. >> they're not really. >> i know they look quite >> no, i know they look quite natural, it makes you look natural, but it makes you look more tan, darling. exactly, babe. >> they asked me i wanted my. >> they asked me if i wanted my. i've got two front ones. they asked me if i wanted mine to be super i thought no, super white, and i thought no, because darker. they'll be because i'm darker. they'll be so white. it'll ridiculous. so white. it'll be ridiculous. you've got teeth. thank so white. it'll be ridiculous. you'ibobby. teeth. thank so white. it'll be ridiculous. you'ibobby. thankeeth. thank so white. it'll be ridiculous. you'ibobby. thank you. thank so white. it'll be ridiculous. you'ibobby. thank you. butink so white. it'll be ridiculous. you'ibobby. thank you. but they you, bobby. thank you. but they start with you then. so start me off with you then. so you were in the only way is essex. me about how you essex. talk to me about how you came to do that particular show. so >> so back then, it's about 12 years ago. >> i first started the show and reality was its infancy, reality tv was in its infancy, really. so there was there was nothing ongoing nothing that was an ongoing reality show. nothing that was an ongoing reaiso show. nothing that was an ongoing reaiso you n. nothing that was an ongoing reaiso you couldn't it to anything. >> and just a night out, >> and just on a night out, there a producer. there was a producer. >> they'd just started filming, um, and they used to be what we call towers at marble arch call terry towers at marble arch at and they went , we

at the time. and they went, we come into tower with towels on tuesday meeting with tuesday and have a meeting with us. i went, yeah, i didn't us. so i went, yeah, i didn't think much of it went in i think much of it went in and i think much of it went in and i think within about ten i'd think within about ten days i'd gone through all like this kind of process of seeing producers . of process of seeing producers. i'd done pieces to camera and, and, and i was on this tv show and, and i was on this tv show and none of us really knew what to expect. none of us ever thought that it would have gone for on as long as it has did, didn't it? um, and yet we couldn't compare it. there had been big brother at the time, but people would go into a house for weeks, out, and for nine weeks, come out, and then would go in. then other people would go in. there nothing was kind there was nothing that was kind of i think some of ongoing and i think some people still now don't fully understand, of understand, like the concept of how everyone's how much? how everyone's like, how much? >> what's going on >> except what's going on because it i watch it and because is it i watch it and i think to myself, what going think to myself, what is going on? actually did they on? are they actually did they read the script beforehand? and then the scenarios then you make up the scenarios or this actually something or is this actually something that real that you're that is real that you're actually enacting? i think actually enacting? and i think that's many people get that's why so many people get confused because like confused because it's like a structured terms structured reality show in terms of we have to be told where to

be. >> so when people we to >> so when people we used to call them like bumpkins on the street, so you'd coincidentally pass in street, but pass someone in the street, but obviously need obviously the camera crew need to be like, you know, like the cameras up, cameras have to be set up, producers to be there. you producers have to be there. you have be miked. so that kind have to be miked. so that kind of obviously very of thing, obviously you're very aware filming and aware when you're filming and when you're not filming, but you're never given a script . and you're never given a script. and as years evolve, it's kind as the years evolve, it's kind of it was kind of more, i think, back in the day, like a fly on the wall kind of documentary and then reality tv's become such a beast of thing now. it's a bit beast of a thing now. it's a bit like the truman show in a way, isn't it? >> they sort guiding you, but >> they sort of guiding you, but it's a sort unreal reality , i it's a sort of unreal reality, i suppose in. you're living suppose you're in. you're living in . in something. >> of become more like >> it's kind of become more like a soapy kind of thing. now, this many years on. but yeah, i did ten there and an amazing , ten years there and an amazing, an amazing decade. >> it was a bit a bit of a good run, actually . yeah. who would run, actually. yeah. who would have thought it would have lasted that long? but it did. and actually think it's an and i actually think it's an interesting tv to interesting evolution in tv to see that it and

see it become that it and obviously a lot of stars are springboarded off the back of it like you and you're doing other things as well. i recently things as well. i know recently you campaigning to ensure you were campaigning to ensure that homophobia was a proper crime. me about why you crime. talk to me about why you decided to sort of push in that direction. so for me, i think i started campaigning about five years ago. >> um, and no one really back then was speaking , coming out then was speaking, coming out about trolling . and i remember about trolling. and i remember speaking to a producer. we used to get like phone calls and they'd go, how are you? like, that's they'd kind of figure that's how they'd kind of figure out was filming the next out what we was filming the next day the following episode. day or the following episode. and i remember quite and i remember being quite embarrassed trolled. and i remember being quite emtwhich ed trolled. and i remember being quite emtwhich ed silly trolled. and i remember being quite emtwhich ed silly to trolled. and i remember being quite emtwhich ed silly to say .ed. and i remember being quite emtwhich ed silly to say out um which sounds silly to say out loud, but i was really embarrassed and it was only ever really sexuality, really because of my sexuality, which something i can't do which is something i can't do anything about. you can't you can me for a million can abuse me for a million years. i'm not ever going to wake up a straight man, but whose business is it anyway? >> i mean, like, why? why should i don't. i'm not interested in that. and people. why? i that. and people. why? why? i often wonder why some people who are come out and

are gay say i've come out and say, i don't i'm not say, i don't really i'm not interested. yeah, not interested. yeah, just not interested. yeah, just not interested. i don't want to know. >> yeah. it shouldn't be a defining thing about someone, but that's all they could kind of really and of abuse me for. really and i remember being quite embarrassed about it and i thought, i'm going to speak about it because i've always, um, seen my job as i'm very fortunate to have a profile and to have a voice. and i think it's important to use that voice for good. and, um, so ispoke that voice for good. and, um, so i spoke out about it and i spoke to producers. i said, i'm going to producers. i said, i'm going to speak about this on the show. i've started a campaign, um , i've started a campaign, um, which i then took to, to downing street and it's been like 4 or 5 meetings since in parliament. and i mean, i'm, i'm very aware in my job some people say, you kind of sign up to it. um, but it's not just people in the pubuc it's not just people in the public eye that do get trolled. and since i spoke about it, i get so many messages from parents and some are just heartbreaking . like, um , heartbreaking. like, um, people's kids have taken their own lives because trolling can get that bad . so it isn't really

get that bad. so it isn't really just people that you see on tv or in the media that get trolled and my thing was always, if i can save one person from taking their own life, why would i not do that? so the five years have been worth it and i would do it for another five years until something's done because for me, the genie is out of the bottle. and i love social media. but there is there is a bit of a dark side to it. but i'm big enough and ugly enough to deal with it. i mean, i'm in my 30s, but i know 14 year old bobby would have struggled with it. huge. of feel sorry huge. and i kind of feel sorry for kids today that you've got that pressure of social media now being a teenager is hard enough. i mean? now being a teenager is hard en0|without i mean? now being a teenager is hard en0|without that, i mean? now being a teenager is hard en0|without that, now i mean? now being a teenager is hard en0|without that, now , i mean? now being a teenager is hard en0|without that, now , obviouslyn? but without that, now, obviously with that, it sounds like you're getting involved in politics becausespeak in parliament. went to speak in parliament. >> this. are >> yeah. about this. what are your are your thoughts on your what are your thoughts on this weekend and some of the pro—palestinian marches that you've seen? >> it's just unbelievable to >> and it's just unbelievable to see weekend's gone see how this weekend's gone down. um, i think it's the timing as well. i think it's just so sad. it's kind of been

done when we should be thinking about heroes we've kind about our heroes that we've kind of lost and that are serving . of lost and that are serving. um, you couldn't write it, do you know what i mean ? like, it's you know what i mean? like, it's literally mean. and i don't claim to know the ins and outs of everything when it comes to politics. it's only been the last few years i've really started to become more interested in it. and because i think that's the thing as well for us, it affects for us, it's it affects everyone. and when i was youngenl everyone. and when i was younger, i think a lot of younger, i think and a lot of people don't think you think it don't affect it, so everyone should an interest in should have an interest in politics you need to politics because you need to really especially the way things are at the moment, just unbelievable. >> now, i noticed that you came in here with a cast on your leg. what happened? so i was crossing the street as you do , and i was the street as you do, and i was hit by a motorbike. >> wow. so i can't really go into too much, but, um, yeah, it's. >> it's been terrible. did you go in the air and all that?

>> yeah, went up in the air. i come down, landed on my head , so come down, landed on my head, so i've had better weeks, babe. i've had better weeks, babe. i've had better weeks, babe. i've had life. but they told me that i'm lucky . it could have that i'm lucky. it could have been a lot worse. i think there's some quite fit and strong and have. i've fallen. um. i could have done a lot more damage than have. i mean, damage than i have. i mean, i have injured myself pretty badly, i weren't going to badly, but i weren't going to miss the show . oh, no, i miss the show. oh, no, no. i mean, do you know what you did to it? yes, fractured my leg, to it? yes, i fractured my leg, bruised ribs. got a little bruised ribs. i've got a little bit a list of what's gone on. bit of a list of what's gone on. but i think the nature being but i think the nature of being hit speed . oh, gosh. um hit at speed. oh, gosh. um frightening. frightening >> it must have been very frightening. i remember one guy who told me and this isn't this isn't to laugh, but it's always to lighten the thought of it. he said he was on his motorbike and he said and he crashed on his motorbike. and he said whilst he was air, he thought to was in the air, he thought to himself, is going hurt. himself, this is going to hurt. and he landed and it did and then he landed and it did hurt. it's interesting. he hurt. yeah, it's interesting. he had to think is had time enough to think this is going because in your going to hurt because in your head must have been head you must have been thinking, my god. thinking, oh my god.

>> because you don't >> yeah, because you don't literally it coming. literally didn't see it coming. came nowhere. and as came out of nowhere. and as you're in the air, it's a really strange because strange experience because i've been i knew i was no been it, he i knew i was no longer on the floor and i was flying through the air. i was like, peter pan. and thought, like, peter pan. and i thought, this ain't to be good. this ain't going to be good. i don't want to laugh. >> say like, peter >> but he did say like, peter pan , you've got laugh , pan, you've got to laugh, othennise you're crying. >> othennise you're crying. exactly >> othennise, talk to me >> othennise, now talk to me about you're doing now about what you're doing now because you've been part because you've been taking part in you're going in that. you're going to be taking in pantomime, but taking part in a pantomime, but you're also on the radio, aren't you? >> yeah. so the last few years i've really concentrated my i've really concentrated on my presenting and hosting and i absolutely love that. so i host absolutely love that. so i host a show on fubar radio and it's very celebrity based. so i interview it's just interview celebs and it's just it's right up my street. so i absolutely love that. and i've been there about three years now. who was your latest one that you've interviewed? who did i i do a lot of i do last time? i do a lot of reality stars. had a lot of reality stars. i had a lot of the people from married at first sight, married at first sight. >> you get her name? >> did you get what's her name? ellie. done? no but want ellie. she done? no but i want her. isn't she?

her. she's good, isn't she? >> yeah, absolutely >> but yeah, i just absolutely can't element of can't help the element of anything like that. do you know what i mean? >> you. do you watch it? >> do you. do you watch it? well, one of the i put them on. i after the other. i watch one after the other. even though i know she'll be going to bed. and it's like 3:00 in thinking you in the morning, i'm thinking you can next one can watch this next one tomorrow. somehow i have to watch. >> i love being able to binge things and i always find it weird. you're watching weird. now, if you're watching something, very something, i mean, it's very rare we watch tv now, so it doesn't happen but if doesn't happen often, but if i have a week for another have to wait a week for another episode, i do it. i think episode, i can't do it. i think that's what we used to have to do. you remember we're so do. do you remember we're so used to just bingeing and like you it gets to 3:00 in the you say, it gets to 3:00 in the morning. you've smashed morning. you've you've smashed a box on morning. you've you've smashed a box or. and i'm box of jaffa cakes or. and i'm like, oh, what's next? what's next? bit of garbage? but yeah, love the element. then love it in the element. and then yeah, panto coming up yeah, i've got panto coming up so i start rehearsal, got my so i start my rehearsal, got my rehearsals up. so rehearsals coming up. so i'm hoping no fly kicks or hoping there's no fly kicks or anything whilst i'm in this. what you going in? what are you going to be in? >> panto prince charming? >> panto prince charming? >> an adult panto, so >> but it's an adult panto, so i've of them and i've seen a few of them and i really enjoy them. so it's going

to be a little bit adult natured i >> and where will be? >> and where will that be? >> and where will that be? >> at brentwood theatre >> that's at brentwood theatre in january. so yeah, come and check out. i don't know if cinderella but oh, very cinderella is yet, but oh, very good. >> well, listen, bobby, it's been lovely talking you. if been lovely talking to you. if you one word of you were to give one word of a pearl of wisdom anybody pearl of wisdom to anybody listening watching, what listening and watching, what would something that's would that be? something that's helped has helped you in your life that has helped you in your life that has helped you in your life that has helped you fonnard? helped you push you fonnard? >> i think. and it's definitely something that's come with age. >> i think. and it's definitely sthink|ing that's come with age. >> i think. and it's definitely sthink in; that's come with age. >> i think. and it's definitely sthink in myat's come with age. >> i think. and it's definitely sthink in my 20scome with age. >> i think. and it's definitely sthink in my 20s lyme with age. >> i think. and it's definitely sthink in my 20s i caredith age. >> i think. and it's definitely sthink in my 20s i cared a| age. >> i think. and it's definitely sthink in my 20s i cared a lot e. i think in my 20s i cared a lot more and in my teens what people thought about me. and i think when i turned 30, actually, you just less. do know what just care less. do you know what i like you become more i mean? like you become more confident. so for me, i've absolutely my 30s and also absolutely loved my 30s and also just kind. it should go just be kind. it should go without. being said, but without. without being said, but be kind . could do a bit of kind. >> wait till you get to 50. you won't give a hoot. bobby norris, thank you so much for joining me. such pleasure to meet me. it's such a pleasure to meet you. you, babe. yes, you you. thank you, babe. yes, you that, of course, is radio and tv personality you personality bobby norris, if you just tuned in. welcome. just coming to 20 minutes after coming up to 20 minutes after 5:00, news on tv

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news britain's new. channel >> good afternoon. 24 minutes after 5:00. this is the gb news. we are the people's channel. don't forget as well. you can stream the show live on youtube. i'm nana akua. stream the show live on youtube. i'm nana akua . it's time though, i'm nana akua. it's time though, for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking is britain at risk of losing its national national identity now ? national national identity now? over the past 20 years, there have been a decline in the proportion of britons who feel british. and this has led to calls for british identity to be redefined the 21st century. redefined for the 21st century. after peter pan palestinian after mass peter pan palestinian demonstration took over london, many feel as if traditional british national identity is under threat in the wake of this weekend's widespread protests coinciding with armistice day. are we witnessing a transformation in our cultural landscape wherein the significance of britain's national events may no longer be able to be commemorate ? covid able to be commemorate? covid and is britain actually at risk of losing its national identity ? of losing its national identity? well, i'm joined now by academic and ethnographer lisa mckenzie , and ethnographer lisa mckenzie, writer and broadcaster candice holdsworth, social policy

analyst dr. rakib hasan, and former editor of the labourlist, peter edwards . i'm going to peter edwards. i'm going to start with dr. raqib hasan, i'll start with dr. raqib hasan, i'll start with dr. raqib hasan, i'll start with you , rookie. what are start with you, rookie. what are your thoughts ? of course, we've your thoughts? of course, we've had armistice day, which was yesterday. it feared that it was somewhat disrespected in the fact that the pro—palestinian march took place on that day. do you feel that we're at risk of losing our national identity? >> well, i'd say i'm still pretty optimistic . pretty optimistic. >> nana if you look at a number of surveys across a variety of ethnic and religious groups , ethnic and religious groups, it's still the majority would say that their british identity is important to their personal identity . they do attach identity. they do attach importance to their britishness. >> i would say, though , is that >> i would say, though, is that there's no room for complacency . there's no room for complacency. >> see, i've talked a great deal about the threat of racial identity politics. acas in more recent times , i do think that recent times, i do think that we've seen tribal religious identity politics rear its ugly head. >> so i think that what we need to do is really double down to

make sure that we're able to cultivate a civic national identity , be that a variety of identity, be that a variety of people can take pride in and really work against that identity terrorism that threatens to stretch our social fabric . fabric. >> okay, peter edwards. >> okay, peter edwards. >> well, i'm really glad remembrance day commemorations could go ahead as planned, but there's no one version of british identity. >> it's been in constant flux for centuries . for centuries. >> and even today, some people would call themselves english first. some british, some scottish would call themselves scottish would call themselves scottish first, particularly if they want independent scotland. so i think it's not just there are several versions of it today, but there have been too many versions even count over many versions even to count over decades it will always decades and it will always change on everything. change depending on everything. your race, class, your view your race, your class, your view of country, your view of the country, your view of europe the so i think europe and the world. so i think we've got to embrace fact we've got to embrace the fact we've got to embrace the fact we've definitions it we've all got definitions of it and allowed to have those and we're allowed to have those definitions and not all be the same. >> is that candace there in the middle there? candace holdsworth, writer and broadcaster. yeah, some

broadcaster. candace yeah, some very points. very interesting points. >> i mean, i think for me , i >> i mean, i think for me, i feel like we're going through a sort of period of crisis, historical crisis. we're in a very unstable world and an anxious time and a lot of what you hear people saying is, i don't recognise this country anymore. >> what's happened to my country i >> and i think a lot of that is to do with the loss of faith in institutions. i mean, you see this week all the debates that went on over so—called two tier policing , you know, people don't policing, you know, people don't trust the police people don't have of, you know, use have this sort of, you know, use side view what the role of side view of what the role of the police is. you see it in banking, for instance. people don't think banking neutral don't think banking is a neutral service. think it's been service. they think it's been politicised. you know, you politicised. even, you know, you go with education, go further back with education, people feel that that's even become culture war. i don't become a culture war. i don't think it's specific to britain, though. think it's on though. i think it's going on all western world. all across the western world. you even look america, maybe you even look in america, maybe america even more divided america is even more divided than than we politically. so than than we are politically. so it's an interesting question whether our whether we're losing our identity . i whether we're losing our identity. i don't if whether we're losing our identity . i don't if we're identity. i don't know if we're losing our identity , but i think

losing our identity, but i think we're definitely going through some period of unravelling. >> in your view, candace, >> so in your view, candace, what describe as what what would you describe as being british in terms being sort of british in terms of your your thoughts on it? >> that's a really interesting question. so for me, i mean, i'm a dual national and i have been since birth. so, you know, my british identity is sort of unique some i mean, unique in some ways. i mean, i have my british identity, then i have my british identity, then i have my british identity, then i have my south african identity. and felt like the and i've always felt like the two came together very nicely. and, there'll be other and, you know, there'll be other people identities. people with other identities. you they'll have an you know, maybe they'll have an indian british indian identity and a british identity identity identity or a jewish identity and british and and a british identity. and i think that these things are normally fine. i think really the divides we're seeing right now, more of a politics. now, they're more of a politics. that's what i think is dividing the right there is the country right now. there is identity politics coming into it like raqeeb said, and that's sort of complicating things. but thatis sort of complicating things. but that is that is part of this penod that is that is part of this period instability that we're in. >> but rikki neave, i'm sort of seeing it as there being british in a sense that all these things that people who are british treasure . so some of the great

treasure. so some of the great things like maybe some of the religion within this country, which is generally a christian country, which is one of the things that identifies this country this country and part country as this country and part of the british identity, but also so events and certain also so big events and certain days that sort of, again , make, days that sort of, again, make, you know, the king comes along and does a speech. we all talk and does a speech. we all talk and it becomes something that we all unified feel all feel unified by. do you feel that we're . do you feel that that we're. do you feel that there are factors that are happening that are creating happening now that are creating a situation where it's sort of dissolving what it means to be british? well i think that peter made a really good point that people relate to their sense of britishness in a variety of ways. >> and i actually think as long as you have a sort of umbrella of shared values , i talk about of shared values, i talk about equality of opportunity , respect equality of opportunity, respect for the rule of law, appreciation of democratic choice. but then under that you have people who relate to britishness in a variety of ways. i'll give my own example. i my ethnic, i think naturally my ethnic, racial and religious background does inform why i'm proud to be

british. i think britain is a world leader when it comes to providing anti—discrimination protections. for example , on the protections. for example, on the grounds of race, ethnicity and religion. have a king that has religion. i have a king that has previously talked about muslim contributions to the european renaissance . he's extolled the renaissance. he's extolled the virtues of islamic finance, is even talked about islam's emphasis on environmental sustainability . so you can see sustainability. so you can see there, when i see the king give those kind of speeches , it those kind of speeches, it almost consolidates my sense of british identity. now it might not mean so much to fellow citizens who might have a different background. and so my point have those point is we should have those shared sense of shared values, that sense of common purpose, mutual obugafions. common purpose, mutual obligations . we should be obligations. we should also be quite flexible terms of how quite flexible in terms of how people and how they people interact and how they feel british. >> peter, final one to you then. do you think that mass immigration has been one of the big factors that have has kind of changed the landscape of everything of changed the landscape of everyt feel that britishness is might feel that britishness is sort of becoming something of a, you know, just a dissolving and disappearing . disappearing. >> i think immigration has generally been a good thing. we

have to remember a vast number of immigrants come here to work. but come back to the but i also come back to the starting state of starting point that the state of british identity has been in constant flux. and you know, 25 years ago, john major had this image of warm warm beer image of warm beer, warm beer and to evensong . and none cycling to evensong. even at the time, that was seen as twee and simplistic . as a bit twee and simplistic. and there are british identities . but i think a weekend like this weekend, remember at sunday river reminds us of the diversity of the contribution of people from all walks of life. and the army doesn't get everything but the everything right. but but the army does from people army does recruit from people from of life. i from all walks of life. and i think make think we all make a contribution. and i think we can enjoy that diversity rather than trying pin it down to one trying to pin it down to one single identity and then perhaps disagree . disagree over it. >> all right. well, thank you for that. candace holdsworth, thank you so much. your thank you so much. so in your view think we're at view then, do you think we're at risk losing our national risk of losing our national identity , in view, yes or identity, in your view, yes or no? don't i don't think we're no? i don't i don't think we're at risk of losing it. >> i think it's changing . at risk of losing it. >> i think it's changing. i think going through very think we're going through a very difficult we're difficult period. we're going through crisis . yes.

through a period of crisis. yes. i even you think about i mean, even you think about this is a yes no. this is a yes or no. >> go to the news. sorry yes or no. peter edwards. yes or no? >> no, i don't think we are. >> no, i don't think we are. >> no, i don't think we are. >> no, she says no, she doesn't. peter edwards. >> there is no single british identity there never has identity and there never has been. it changes all time. been. it changes all the time. >> no. >> yes or no? no. >> yes or no? no. >> we'll always have a robust civic british identity and it will live on for a very, very long time. lovely. >> thank you, candice rikki neave also peter edwards. neave and also peter edwards. lovely you both. to lovely to talk to you both. to you all, fact. right it's you all, in fact. right it's just coming up to 20, minutes just coming up to 20, 33 minutes after is gb views on after 5:00. this is gb views on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue with the debate the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. is britain at hour. i'm asking, is britain at risk its national risk of losing its national identity? will the identity? you will hear the thoughts my panel. christine thoughts of my panel. christine hamilton and also danny kelly. but your latest but first, let's get your latest news . aaron news with. aaron >> it's 532. good evening. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the home secretary has condemned anti—semitic behaviour during the armistice day, demonstrate in london hundreds of thousands

of pro—palestinian protesters marched peacefully through the capital yesterday. the met police, though, says it's actively investigating number actively investigating a number of possible cases of hate crime. suella braverman has described some chants and placards as sick, inflammatory and clearly criminal and has called for further action. she also praised officers for their handling of the disorder after right wing counterparts , rioters who were counterparts, rioters who were trying to confront the rally clashed with police . the force, clashed with police. the force, which arrested 145 people yesterday , confirmed seven have yesterday, confirmed seven have been charged with various offences . the kings led the offences. the kings led the nafion offences. the kings led the nation in observing a two minute silence on remembrance day , silence on remembrance day, honounng silence on remembrance day, honouring fallen soldiers. the prince of wales was among the senior royals to stand behind king charles, who was wearing the uniform of the marshal of the uniform of the marshal of the royal air force . he then the royal air force. he then laid a wreath similar to the one produced for king george the sixth, when people in northern ireland, england and parts of wales are being warned to batten down the hatches as storm debby

approaches heavy and gale approaches heavy rain and gale force winds of up to 80 miles an hour are expected. it comes as some parts country are some parts of the country are still recovering from the effects of storm kieran a weather alerts will be in place from 3 am. tomorrow morning to 6 pm. in the evening. from 3 am. tomorrow morning to 6 pm. in the evening . that's it 6 pm. in the evening. that's it for the moment. more on our website as always. gb news dot com . com. >> so coming up, should whatsapp be banned from politics this week? humza yousaf has been accused of misleading parliament over whatsapp messages and we've also heard of a time in british politics, particularly during covid, when ministers were governed by whatsapp and of course we saw the leaked whatsapp files which was all a bit. today i'm going to be bit. so today i'm going to be asking in my mini debate, should whatsapp be banned from politics? up next, time politics? but up next, it's time for great british debate. for the great british debate. this britain this hour. i'm asking is britain at of its national at risk of losing its national identity? that's on the

through until 7:00 this evening. gb news is the people's . channel gb news is the people's. channel >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to 39 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv onune 5:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i've been asking you whether you think that where britain is at risk losing its national risk of losing its national identity. of you have been identity. lots of you have been getting in touch. roger says. you're are we losing you're asking, are we losing our identity? too late. it's identity? it's too late. it's done. are not done. dyson says. we are not losing identity. we are losing our identity. we are being denied identity. and being denied our identity. and igor is losing igor says britain is losing their because

their identity because governments and don't governments are weak and don't stand up for british values any more. anybody can stamp our monuments, damage our pictures, galleries , drape our country's galleries, drape our country's flags streets and kick flags in our streets and kick policemen or their country's flags. i get and a lot of flags. i get it. and a lot of people have been talking about it. well, let's welcome back to my to discuss this. i've my panel to discuss this. i've been asking britain risk of been asking britain at risk of losing our national identity. so in of all this in the wake of all this weekend's widespread protests coinciding with armistice day, are the are we witnessing the transformation of our cultural landscape? significant landscape? we're in significant of britain's events may of britain's national events may no be able to be no longer be able to be commemorated, commemorate . well, commemorated, commemorate. well, let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by journalist and broadcaster danny and and broadcaster danny kelly and author broadcaster christine author and broadcaster christine hamilton. start hamilton. i'm going to start with danny kelly. i think with you, danny kelly. i think if you become less british as a population, you're going to have your your your british identity diluted and changed. >> now, london and i, i can say this coming as an outsider, but london is a very different place to how it was when i came down as teenager, 30 years ago. you as a teenager, 30 years ago. you know, you walk down the street

in london and you're probably going different going to hear a different language, spoken english now, language, spoken to english now, when immigration as when mass immigration occurs as then, going change then, you are going to change your identity. is a natural your identity. that is a natural occurrence. say occurrence. now, i would say that regionally there'll be areas of england region where a british is different to british identity is different to a londoners, british identity. if that sort of makes sense. you go to rural cumbria, they will have a british identity based on values and social structures and social beliefs . different to social beliefs. different to say, a londoner now? >> well, let's put it down on things like armistice day, which is always a day that in my calendar i've never, ever known for there to be protests and marches and things for something else in another land altogether, which is not that we shouldn't be doing that. whatever you want to do is fine. but there are sacred days. mean, in other sacred days. i mean, in other countries , certain things countries, certain things will not allowed . so if you go to not be allowed. so if you go to somewhere dubai or whatever somewhere like dubai or whatever identity, you come identity, even if you have come from somewhere else or something, has changed, they stick must wear stick with you must wear the coverings on. so coverings and so on. and so forth. alcohol, this and that

forth. no alcohol, this and that on the streets and so on and so forth. yet we seem to be liberal and losing all the things that we hold dear. i'm just wondering what perspective what your perspective is on. >> that's that's a great >> well, that's a that's a great observation. if we're observation. and if we're talking religion, like, observation. and if we're taliexample religion, like, observation. and if we're taliexample , religion, like, observation. and if we're taliexample , islam,n, like, observation. and if we're taliexample , islam, people who for example, islam, people who are devout muslims will pray kyrees their religion over . for kyrees their religion over. for example, a british identity . and example, a british identity. and we saw that yesterday on the streets of london where although there were non—muslims, there were plenty of white and i'm going to say christians, i would guess. what we saw yesterday guess. but what we saw yesterday was a religion superseding what is sacrosanct for the vast majority of brits, no matter what colour or no matter what religion you are, because it doesn't matter where you've come from, you might i. >> i'm black. i assimilate to the british identity. i was born in newcastle, i'm a geordie. in newcastle, so i'm a geordie. but ultimately, you know, i could more could have assimilated to a more african of my african culture because of my parents, they assimilated to parents, but they assimilated to a british that a british culture and that became their identity. >> christine we're >> christine well, we're an incredibly tolerant society and yesterday they proved that and too many people in this country,

you hit the nail on the head. they don't oh, they're allegiance to this country or to the british flag . they owe their the british flag. they owe their allegiance to the country from whence they came or the country from where their parents came or the religion to which they belong . and definitely belong. and definitely britishness is whatever that means. well, we all know what that means is being watered down. and it starts in london. do you know over 50% of the people living in london? greater london for over 50% were not born in this country. now, if that i could believe that. and by 2050, we will have 13 million muslims in this country. now, we are not a muslim country. so why are not a muslim country. so why are we going to have 13 million? that's an enormous number. >> but but i mean, we might end up being a muslim country if that case. that is the case. >> yes, indeed, might. >> yes, indeed, we might. i mean, you don't, as you say, rural country. i live in in rural country. i live in in rural wiltshire. and know the british way life. there is british way of life. there is alive well and doesn't alive and well and doesn't really interrupted unless really get interrupted unless you watch the

you happen to watch the television. fatal but elsewhere in in big cities, bradford , in in big cities, bradford, birmingham, etcetera, the muslim population is enormous and it totally changes the way of life. but even if people come to this country, they should accept our way of life, our values and they shouldn't try and impose theirs onto us. >> but even say in the muslim populations in other places around the country, they will still acknowledge things like christmas and all the things that hold dear in this that we hold dear in this country. till we country. and up till now, we haven't somebody which in haven't seen somebody which in my view, which i think is being very, very provocative by taking on a day that's meant to be commemorating armed forces commemorating our armed forces and our service personnel by doing something like that. so i don't, you know , i think a lot don't, you know, i think a lot of people who are muslim or whatever still love christmas and love all the things and still love all the things that dear. so i'm not so that we hold dear. so i'm not so sure whether that it's sort of the mean, what i'm the angle. i mean, what i'm really is that we can really saying is that we can have of things, but we have all of those things, but we shouldn't is dear to shouldn't lose what is dear to this country. and i feel that that seems to be happening absolutely. >> and can't understand how >> and i can't understand how

anybody believes in british anybody who believes in british values march values would go on that march yesterday if weren't yesterday if they weren't marching towards the cenotaph with the right intention, because you just don't do it if you're british, don't do you're british, you don't do that. british day where that. it's a british day where we honour our dead. isn't we honour our dead. it isn't a day when we do things day when we do other things well, the ointment well, a fly in the ointment there be that one of the there would be that one of the british great values is one of fair play. >> yes, of course. free speech, tolerance. but going to my tolerance. but going back to my fair would. they fair play, they would. they would isn't would argue this isn't necessarily but necessarily my opinion, but they would the would argue that one of the great british identity factors is fair play. and they are acting on behalf of the people of gaza. >> release the hostages once they release the hostages, then i think people can start talking about other things. but while hamas are holding those hostages, israel has no choice to back to. the elephant in to go back to. the elephant in the room, has no choice but to continue to defend themselves and try and destroy hamas. othennise it will happen again. >> well, i was going to say as well, a of the young people well, a lot of the young people that we're talking about, armistice day and remembrance sunday, of young sunday, but a lot of young people even about people don't even think about that we're to

that now. so we're getting to a point you know, it's point where, you know, it's coming to a century and those coming up to a century and those who any who are at who have any who are alive at that time, of them have that time, most of them have passed away. and this is becoming something that we're forgetting. the forgetting. yet we remember the slave hundreds slave trade how many hundreds of years ago. and this and that. so we those things up. but, we keep those things up. but, you we're destroying our you know, we're destroying our own monuments. within own monuments. you know, within universities. this, universities. we're doing this, that chucking that and the other, chucking things in in the river. >> me, i think there was >> forgive me, i think there was a i think there was a poll out suggesting that teenagers, adolescents teenagers aren't adolescents and teenagers aren't even aware of the significance of the poppy. aren't even of the poppy. they aren't even aware the first world war, aware of the first world war, the war, and they the second world war, and they just as some of embroidery. >> that is a grotesque failure of our education because of our education system because every should be every child, they should be taught which is a taught at home, which is a parent's fault they're not. parent's fault if they're not. but also be taught but they should also be taught in it's of our in schools. it's part of our history. it might be 100 years ago, that's the very recent ago, but that's the very recent past. will have past. they will have grandparents were involved. grandparents who were involved. people should be taught it is a scandal. doesn't know scandal. if anybody doesn't know what the poppy. >> what you think then? do >> so what do you think then? do you think, christine, that we're at risk of losing our national identity? yes, do. at risk of losing our national ideii:ity? yes, do. at risk of losing our national ideii seriously. do. at risk of losing our national ideii seriously. do. at risk of losing our national ideii seriously. do you know, i'm

>> i seriously. do you know, i'm i'm 74. the difference in this country from when i was growing up now is profound. so add up and now is profound. so add on 50 years and goodness on another 50 years and goodness knows i think generally knows how much i think generally speaking, identity a big speaking, the identity of a big city like london is night and day different compared to certain parts of cumbria, wannickshire. >> the west midlands. >> the west midlands. >> you can still have all that and embrace the things that are british. >> but if you walk down a typical london street, you are less likely to hear the english language spoken. >> but a lot of the time in those that you speak, say those places that you speak, say for for london, example, london, people come because they people come here because they love britishness it love the britishness of it and will celebrate you know, will celebrate it. so, you know, all royal family and things all the royal family and things like people here like that. people come here because they have because they they have gravitated i hear what gravitated to it. so i hear what you're but that's one of you're saying, but that's one of the draws of this country. >> course is. but then >> oh, of course it is. but then you get some people who come to this and point at the this country and point at the buckingham and buckingham palace balcony and say, so white? say, why is it so white? >> but it's not. but it's not even even necessarily even it's not even necessarily the of colour or whatever the people of colour or whatever they're coming in because as you pointed danny, a of pointed out, danny, a lot of young embracing

young people are not embracing things national things that are national traditions. national traditions. and our national days, said, a of days, like as you said, a lot of people don't know the significance the poppy, and significance of the poppy, and that's young white that's probably young white british people who very much so. no, asked the no, that's why i asked the question, it is broad question, because it is a broad brush does cover all brush and it does cover all creeds colours. but this creeds and colours. but this shows without you, any shows nothing without you, any teacher who's listening, make sure class sure every child in your class tomorrow knows about p°ppy- >> and if they don't tell them, yeah, i'll them yeah, yeah, i'll get them a scarf like christine's. >> yes. >> yes. >> british legion website. >> british legion website. >> people will ask questions, right? have right? like what the hell have you on? right. let's welcome you got on? right. let's welcome a great voices. is a great british voices. this is your opportunity to be on the show really show and tell us what you really think about the topics we're discussing today. i've got three of to start with of you. i'm going to start with david barbe. he's in watford. david barbe. he's in watford. david is britain at risk of losing identity? losing its national identity? >> nanah unfortunately, >> see yes. nanah unfortunately, it's on many, it's been going on for many, many years. starts with the many years. it starts with the liberal intelligentsia want liberal intelligentsia who want to for everything to apologise for everything that britain for. britain has ever stood for. right that throws out right or wrong, that throws out the we're not allowed. the history. we're not allowed. they're not being taught. world war in schools. if you war two in schools. if you remove history and remove the history and only allow to what they allow people to have what they want, have no identity . we

want, we have no identity. we are a country where we've always welcomed people. mother came welcomed people. my mother came from they learned from germany. they learned english. weren't british, english. they weren't british, they weren't german , right? so they weren't german, right? so we've got to bring that back where we have to appreciate and understand what the history the past was and not apologise for it because it's made who we are. >> okay , well, let's go. thank >> okay, well, let's go. thank you that, david. let's you for that, david. let's go to philip he's there in philip hoy. he's there in hertfordshire. philip do hertfordshire. philip what do you ? you think? >> nana. um well, let's look >> hi, nana. um well, let's look at the last couple of years, we've been importing an army of islam into this country. >> i'm not trying to be provocative, but it's a fact of life and you have to accept the fact that one of the tenants of islam is to convert people to their way of thinking and to their way of thinking and to their religion. >> and as your other correspondent just said something about 30% or 30 million muslims in a few years time . time. >> um, yeah. all it's lovely to have 1313. >> i'm sorry but but, but, but

nevertheless it's nice to have immigration. >> i've got nothing wrong with that. >> but let's, let's have people who aren't trying to change this country. they want to come to this country because it's such a good country, super lovely, integrate into our country . integrate into our country. >> we will welcome you. >> we will welcome you. >> but don't come in and expect to change the british as they are and only have their methods, only have their views. anything we say is wrong and you know, i'm sorry because i've spent a lot of time in the middle east. i know an awful lot about it. >> and this thing about, oh, it's a religion of peace. >> no, i'm sorry. >> no, i'm sorry. >> it isn't. >> it isn't. >> i'm sure there's some very peaceful ones. but i have to say, yesterday's march, the palestinian is on there had one view, which is to get rid of the jews. >> well, no, but that's the other people. oh, stop, stop . other people. oh, stop, stop. sorry. hold it. that's not necessarily let necessarily sorry. let me finish. stop . stop right finish. yeah, stop. stop right there. sorry. hang on. yeah, that's not fair to say that ,

that's not fair to say that, because there lots of people because there are lots of people on who have different on there who have many different views, can't really say views, so you can't really say that. but hear you're that. but i hear what you're saying. but again, remember, you could say the same thing about christianity that people may want want to want to convert. we want to convert people to christianity as s0 convert people to christianity as so it works ways as well. so it works both ways with regard to that. if with regard to that. but even if you somebody muslim, you are somebody who's muslim, many friends who are many of my friends who are muslim still embrace muslim will still embrace british and that that british traditions and that that is making. all is the point i'm making. all right. want hear right. lastly, i want to hear from adrian. in from adrian. he's there in shropshire. adrian nana shropshire. adrian hi, nana thank you for having me on your show yet again. >> it's very, very kind of you. >> it's very, very kind of you. >> and it's lovely to be here. um, yes , of course. our identity um, yes, of course. our identity is unfortunately changing . is unfortunately changing. >> um , and it has been for many years. >> i look back at to a degree to, to history. >> my cousin was one of two officers along with general wavell, who selected the body of the unknown warrior to bring back to westminster abbey . uh my

back to westminster abbey. uh my grandfather was killed in the second war. >> my father , adrian. you've >> my father, adrian. you've only got about 20s left. so what do you think then ? are we at do you think then? are we at risk? they fought for freedoms and with freedom comes responsibility and, unfortunately, response ability in our society seems to have gone awol . gone awol. >> uh, and it's all very well saying that, yes, we can express our feelings and what we want to do, but if it is done in an irresponsible way that actually okay, i'm going to have to stop you there. >> sorry, adrian, but you've just gone too on long. adrian jennings, shropshire, thank you very much. philip and david barham, to talk to you barham, lovely to talk to you both. we've talking for both. we've been talking for hours . right? briefly, a story hours. right? briefly, a story that my eye can be very that caught my eye can be very brief. is it time to ban whatsapp politics? the whatsapp from politics? the first of scotland, first minister of scotland, humza has been accused humza yousaf, has been accused of after of misleading parliament after admitting the covid 19 admitting that the uk covid 19 inquiry the scottish inquiry asked the scottish government whatsapp messages government for whatsapp messages months with months ago. coupled with the stunning of stunning revelations of the language of the

language that came out of the whatsapp dominic cummings whatsapp from dominic cummings and blah blah blah. christine and blah blah blah. so christine and blah blah blah. so christine and to just and danny, is it time to just take this out of politics? because wasn't before because it wasn't there before and official methods and just have official methods and just have official methods and for measuring what and measures for measuring what is done? is being done? >> can't you'll never >> but you can't you'll never stop people. whatsapping you stop people. whatsapping if you and watch whatsapp and i want to watch whatsapp privately this program, privately about this program, who's stop should take who's to stop us? should we take it? take it out though? you can't them. what's happening? don't stop them. but >> don't say stop them. but should be taken out of the should it be taken out of the equation comes to these equation when it comes to these decisions? >> oh, i see what you mean. not count whatever was said whatsapp. >> it's whatsapp. whatsapp. >> well, it's whatsapp. whatsapp. >> well, so it's whatsapp. whatsapp. >> well, so far whatsapp. whatsapp. >> well, so far all atsapp. whatsapp. >> well, so far all that'sy. whatsapp. >> well, so far all that's been said on whatsapp is very unacceptable language possibly, yes. >> okay. >> okay. >> that quick. when you write something most of the time something like most of the time the is missing the context is missing and that's with whatsapp. with whatsapp, yes. >> with whatsapp, yes. >> with whatsapp, yes. >> all right. well, listen, let's quickly to let's move on quickly to supplement sunday part of the supplement sunday as part of the show we out some of show where we bring out some of the news stories that have the other news stories that have been so go to danny been on. so let's go to danny first. you've got 30s first. you've got about 30s danny, i'm happy. danny, because i'm happy. >> prison >> okay. struggling prison spends teach spends ten grand to teach inmates click fingers and inmates how to click fingers and stamp to songs like stamp feet to songs like pharrell williams happy so that

they their anger they can manage their anger and this hmp dartmoor, £9,600. so this is hmp dartmoor, £9,600. so they the prisoners they get all the prisoners together. they get together. yeah. 9600. they get all prisoners together and all the prisoners together and they teacher, an they get a music teacher, an anger therapist the room, anger therapist guy in the room, and a sudden because and all of a sudden because they're clicking the fingers, they're clicking the fingers, they're not going to shiv anyone in shower. christine golly. >> well, >> right. well, this is apparently year, apparently in 2024 next year, more people expected to vote more people are expected to vote in than ever since in elections than ever since records began in the 1960s. they're going to national they're going to be national ballots uk, usa , ballots in the uk, the usa, india, south the india, south africa, the european union , etcetera. european union, etcetera. 2 billion people will be eligible to vote, which is about two thirds of the democratic world. well, listen. >> and finally, my supplement. there we go. christmas and easter have apparently been excluded the national excluded from the national trust's inclusion calendar. meanwhile, , eid and meanwhile, diwali, eid and ramadan feature in the heritages group in the calendar. group inclusive in the calendar. what do you think, good or bad, is changing? what do you think, good or bad, is i changing? what do you think, good or bad, is i mean,|anging? what do you think, good or bad, is i mean, deang? what do you think, good or bad, is i mean, dear god, that's the >> i mean, dear god, that's the national >> i mean, dear god, that's the natbritish identity is >> british identity is celebrating christmas. shame on you. >> yes, i resigned years ago. >> yes, i resigned years ago. >> today's show. i've been asking sadiq khan, right to blame suella braverman for the violence of the marches. 85% of

you yes and 15% of you say you say yes and 15% of you say no. so is he wrong to blame her? yes, he is wrong. thank you very much, danny. thank you, nana. great to see you. have you on, fabulous. christine. lovely to have you as well. thank you. >> you next week. >> see you next week. >> see you next week. >> thank to you at home >> and thank you to you at home for company. look fonnard for your company. i look fonnard to you. same time, same to seeing you. same time, same place, 3:00 on saturday. enjoy >> oh, there. good >> oh, hello there. good evening. jonathan vautrey >> oh, hello there. good even gb jonathan vautrey >> oh, hello there. good even gb aneathervautrey >> oh, hello there. good even gb aneather forecast your gb news weather forecast provided the met office many provided by the met office many of be waking up to a of us will be waking up to a very unsettled to the new very unsettled start to the new working that due to working week and that is due to storm. this area of low storm. debby. this area of low pressure that is very quickly going deepen overnight and going to deepen overnight and into producing some into tomorrow, producing some very particularly very strong winds, particularly directly on the southern flank of northern of of that for northern areas of england, of the england, coastal areas of the irish throughout irish sea. throughout this evening, have band of evening, we do have one band of rain its way across rain sweeping its way across scotland, but it's this rain in the southwest that is associated with some very with storm debby. some very heavy wales with storm debby. some very heay into wales with storm debby. some very heayinto northern wales with storm debby. some very heayinto northern ireland, wales with storm debby. some very heayinto northern ireland, where and into northern ireland, where it could be very persistent. some flooding some localised flooding is possible hours possible during the early hours of morning, temperatures of monday morning, temperatures around to for of us, around 7 to 9 c for most of us, but some frost but some patchy frost is possible the far possible across the very far

north scotland, a very north of scotland, but a very disruptive morning rush hour penod disruptive morning rush hour period a of us. some period for a lot of us. some very strong winds, severe gales up to 80mph along areas up to 80mph along coastal areas of very blustery of the irish sea, very blustery of the irish sea, very blustery of pennines and northern of the pennines and northern areas the areas of england as well. the rain sweeps way up into rain sweeps its way up into eastern areas of scotland where again, heavy and again, it could be heavy and produce localised flooding produce some localised flooding in some brighter spells in places, some brighter spells for southern england for southern areas of england and northern and wales and into northern ireland in the ireland later on in the afternoon. it is going afternoon. but it is still going to windy day here. to be a very windy day here. nonetheless, temperatures between 15 c tuesday between nine and 15 c tuesday looks disruptive than looks less disruptive than monday, still to monday, but it is still going to be on unsettled side with be on the unsettled side with a mixture of in there, mixture of showers in there, some heavy with some of those heavy with thunderstorms and hail well. some of those heavy with thlotierstorms and hail well. some of those heavy with thlot ofstorms and hail well. some of those heavy with thlot of cloud and hail well. some of those heavy with th lot of cloud ford hail well. some of those heavy with th lot of cloud for northern well. a lot of cloud for northern england into scotland, but northern ireland, southern areas of england and wales may see some in between some of some sunshine in between some of those well, remaining those showers as well, remaining unsettled the second half those showers as well, remaining untheled the second half those showers as well, remaining unthe week the second half those showers as well, remaining unthe week asthe second half those showers as well, remaining unthe week as wellecond half

by >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. the home secretary's condemned anti semitic behaviour during the armistice day

a place is also investigating a racially aggravated altercation at london waterloo and released photos of four men. it's trying to identify . authorities also to identify. authorities also want to speak to a woman over an alleged anti—semitic hate crime at victoria station . meanwhile, at victoria station. meanwhile, the home secretary who attended today's remembrance service is being blamed for stoking tensions ahead of the pro—palestinian protests during the week. suella braverman described the demonstrations as hate marches and questioned the integrity of the police for allowing yesterday's rally to go ahead.the allowing yesterday's rally to go ahead. the scottish first minister, humza yousaf, is among the growing chorus of voices calling for her to go. i'm afraid that the home secretary's position, in my view, is untenable. >> she should in fact not even be allowed to resign. she should just be sacked by the prime minister because no home