cameron in your top had david cameron in your top five? had david cameron in your top fiveand i looked at him >> and as i looked at him standing outside the cenotaph yesterday prime yesterday alongside the prime minister the former prime minister, major there , minister, his major was there, theresa may, liz truss it didn't occur to me for a second that the next day he could walking the next day he could be walking into 10, potentially as into number 10, potentially as our new foreign secretary. >> think this has been >> do you think this has been bubbung >> do you think this has been bubbling away in the background or you reckon they agreed it or do you reckon they agreed it over tea cake yesterday afternoon? >> no, no. >> no, no. >> this would have been talked about for a long but what >> this would have been talked afind for a long but what >> this would have been talked afind particularly but what >> this would have been talked afind particularly interesting1at i find particularly interesting being speech being in his conference speech a few the party few weeks ago, the party conference rishi sunak trashed the last 30 years of political conventionality , i.e. orthodoxy. conventionality, i.e. orthodoxy. six of those were david cameron's premiership. >> rishi sunak has sold himself to you as the change candidate to you as the change candidate to be prime minister, he said he is the new conservatives and as andrew does such a great observation , how does bringing observation, how does bringing david cameron into such a senior role mean that there is any change? let us know what you think morning. think this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com. we're seeing live pictures here outside. number 10 would suella braverman

be made to go in there today and have a knock on trapped? >> no, it could have been done on the phone. she could have gone gone gone in. she could have gone through the door. he could through the back door. he could have done it in the he could have done it in the he could have itin have done it in the he could have it in his commons have done it in his commons office, too. but i don't think she's anywhere near number 10. well got the right well we've got all the right people the right places well we've got all the right pe0|morning. the right places this morning. >> christopher hope is going to be westminster mark be at westminster for us. mark white is heading, i believe, to the office. we've got the home office. we've got a whole list of experts coming in to the studio this morning. piers pottinger is with in to the studio this morning. pierstudionger is with in to the studio this morning. pierstudio to er is with in to the studio this morning. pierstudio to look with in to the studio this morning. pierstudio to look ithis in in the studio to look at this in just a moment. and i think we're waiting to see if david cameron leaves number does, leaves number 10. if he does, andrew, won't make sort andrew, he won't make any sort of statement. >> surprised. it's up to >> i'd be surprised. it's up to the prime minister to say something. but that is one of these dropping as well. these jaw dropping as well. i think talk to piers think we can talk to piers passenger. you and have passenger. piers, you and i have known some reshuffles in our time didn't see it time and you didn't see it coming. it coming. coming. i didn't see it coming. david cameron going in. he it must a job. must be a job. >> it must be, i'm sure. and there are there's more than one precedents for this, william hague, of course. and earlier ,

hague, of course. and earlier, alec douglas—home at and i think cameron would be a superb foreign secretary like you. i've known him for some time and i admire him as a person immensely. i thought sometimes his political judgement was lacking, but i think he'll be an excellent foreign secretary because he's still in touch with and knows a lot of these leaders. he does. and he, as you again pointed out, his age, he's going to be very good. i think the most interesting thing, though, is what's going to happen autumn happen after the autumn statement on november the 22nd. i think probably on wednesday . i think probably on wednesday. first of all, we'll have the supreme court say no to the government plans . and i suspect government plans. and i suspect under the rwanda appeal and i suspect the government may already have had notice of this, which might have strengthened sunaks hand in sacking suella. yeah, and but the key thing is after the autumn statement, if hunt gives nothing back to the

people , anything that's going to people, anything that's going to be an election winner or even hinting that in march next year, he will he will look at doing something about taxes if he doesn't budge from his very strong position at the moment. i think look, i think rishi might well remove him because the conservatives need something very positive to have any chance, i think at all. i think he'll do something. >> i think he'll do something on inherited tax. >> i think inheritance labour will attack it so it'll be clear blue water but inheritance tax i don't think is as anything like the big vote winner. no. as they do. i think it affects a very small percentage. but if we're looking at the red wall constituencies , for example, we constituencies, for example, we need something much meatier. yeah. whether it's raising the threshold, lowering the rate of corporation tax , those kind of corporation tax, those kind of things. but if there's no sign of that from the autumn statement, i think. hunt is in

real trouble. can we just reflect a bit on how we've got to this stage? >> at 934 on monday morning, the steps that have led to suella braverman getting the push this morning she wrote this controversial piece in the times newspaper week. we thought newspaper last week. we thought when we were on air that she'd had clearance number 10. had clearance from number 10. and understand that she and now we understand that she hadn't it had hadn't had that cleared it had been cleared with some amendments , but she didn't put amendments, but she didn't put the amendments, she the amendments, didn't she didn't amendment. didn't use the amendment. >> them. and she >> she ignored them. and she might say anyone who's worked with we with newspapers we know occasionally edits fall through the maybe subeditor >> perhaps maybe a subeditor didn't see it and it didn't get in. so that's been going in. so perhaps that's been going on scenes. on behind the scenes. >> it comes to number >> but when it comes to number 10, it's more than that. >> and i think she was wilful. >> and i think she was wilful. >> proved himself to >> rishi has proved himself to be man himself today be a braver man himself today than many have thought, than many would have thought, because, as personally because, as i personally didn't think would have to think he would have the nerve to sack she does have sack her because she does have quite strong following with quite a strong following with the voters, not so much the backbenchers, but certainly with the voters. she's got a strong following and there's no question that most of what she said about the demonstrations at

the weekend was exactly right, except that, of course , she except that, of course, she suggested the police would handle far right protesters differently to how they would handle palestinian handle left wing or palestinian protesters as it happens, the majority rioting and the majority of the rioting and the arrests were from the right wing i >> yeah, well, they did handle them differently. >> they had a punch >> i mean, they had a big punch up. i mean, it was like a kind of peaky blinders mob. it wasn't it? and they dreadful it? yeah. and they were dreadful of course, for that. but actually this palestinian actually this the palestinian demonstrate in so—called was actually an anti—semite demonstration , the biggest one demonstration, the biggest one we've ever had in britain. and absolutely shocking that it was allowed to happen. and as for that photograph of the two policemen child dressed policemen with the child dressed in a hamas mask, bandana , i in a hamas mask, bandana, i mean, absolutely shocking . and mean, absolutely shocking. and if that isn't an indication that the police are not looking not deaung the police are not looking not dealing with these marches properly and we've had five marches now. they've got the power now. >> so if someone has a sign saying gaza , the new auschwitz, saying gaza, the new auschwitz, that's a hate crime.

>> of course it is. >> of course it is. >> and whoever had that placard should have been arrested. the woman who was chanting into a video camera, death to all jews, how is she's not been apprehended already. no. >> and a lot of the placards which incidentally, seem to be made same people, if you made by the same people, if you look at them, they're mass produced by. i'd be very interesting to know who's produced those because that's criminal. as well. >> i think to be honest, i think there minority on both there was a minority on both sides were breaking the law sides that were breaking the law and were peddling and that were peddling hate. i was the start the march on was at the start of the march on saturday. happened to be saturday. i happened to be dropping my 14 year old at the ice park. and from ice rink at hyde park. and from what i could see, many those what i could see, many of those pro—palestine protesters were middle class white people that were wearing the hiking clothes. they might normally go to the national trust property on a weekend. was lot of weekend. there was a lot of that. and i do think that actually trouble is how it actually the trouble is how it flared up on the weekend was was the thugs. it was the thugs outside downing street, sadly. and that's probably what's done for suella braverman .

for suella braverman. >> but i still think that's why if the organisers had a shred of decency, they'd have just cancelled it. yes, because we shouldn't be talking about this. we should be talking about the song. >> was no need for the >> there was no need for the march to be. we should have a sombre there was sombre armistice day. there was no that. and it they've no need for that. and it they've already had four before. i know. and there comes point. the and there comes a point. the other city today other thing is the city today sit in, sit in in victoria station where these people abuse used michael gove and also forced poppy sellers to move. since when are railway stations centres for demonstrations and they've they've sat in in many railway stations causing chaos. why are they not cleared out of the stations immediately ? the stations immediately? >> but if so, but looking again to why she's been sacked , what to why she's been sacked, what rishi sunak obviously concludes and your article at the weekend for which you were criticised for which you were criticised for inciting hate, did what i suspected it might do and we had the downing street doors opening

i >> we just had a lot of the listening on the radio. >> we had a lot of the aggressive men who i'm interested in why they feel so disenfranchised in society and why they felt so angry about their lives they were their lives that they were literally the police at literally pushing the police at the at downing street. the cordons at downing street. and has said, right, and rishi sunak has said, right, suella you are responsible for this . that's what's happened this. that's what's happened here. i i think you here. well i think i think you see, until if david cameron has been made foreign secretary until that moment and just sacking suella is a victory for keir starmer and the dreadful sadiq khan. >> i agree. and that that makes rishi look very weak . so he's rishi look very weak. so he's had to do something else in order to strengthen his his the perception of him amongst particularly the right of centre voters . and cameron is probably voters. and cameron is probably as good an answer as he's going to get. >> is this also because of rishi sunaks unpopularity ? are you sunaks unpopularity? are you saying last week about the polls of potential leaders or of

conservative mps and he's like number 23 in the conservative home, they do a monthly poll of ministers . ministers. >> he is 23rd. it's astonishing for a tory leader to be so not loved by his own membership. >> he's not loved, he's not liked. he's not an easy man to love or like because he's not a warm person and he doesn't communicate. he's not a natural communicator. i think he's extremely efficient . i think extremely efficient. i think he's very thoughtful . i think he's very thoughtful. i think he's very thoughtful. i think he's a man of integrity , he all he's a man of integrity, he all of these things. but unfortunately, he doesn't click with the general public. no, mind you, neither does keir starmer. >> no . and he had his big chance >> no. and he had his big chance to reset with his conservative party conference, which that didn't work. and then we had the king's speech last week and i was only saying to a friend yesterday was the king's speech only last week because it's gone, forgotten. gone, it's completely forgotten. it's nothing new in >> already had nothing new in it, nothing any substance . it, nothing of any substance. and again, he's got limited and again, he's got a limited amount whoever's amount of time anyway. whoever's in these new jobs isn't going to have very long year at most to

have very long a year at most to do to do anything. >> so is that why david cameron has suddenly been plucked out of obscurity again? because is what some polling has shown that he is a popular conservative man? >> i think i think the prime minister is alive to the criticism that he has a cabinet which is full of some pretty small bits, small. it's a full cabinet, full of pygmies, frankly. yes. and whatever you think about, come with you. and i disagree with him fundamentally on brexit. and i've with david i've had arguments with david cameron he's he's got cameron for years. he's he's got gravitas and stature. he's a former minister. looks former prime minister. he looks the sounds the part. the part. he sounds the part. and actually he'll a good and he actually he'll be a good foreign secretary. and he knows you he you need a big voice. he does. >> i mean, he's he's he >> and i mean, he's he's he would be a natural, in my view, in the job. but again, i think other cabinet members like other other cabinet members like coffee, example , goodness coffee, for example, goodness knows what on earth she's doing. >> well, she's still there. >> well, she's still there. >> and the wonderful education secretary. queen of secretary. oh, yeah, queen of concrete. i think concrete. yes. i mean, i think she the concrete is she might find the concrete is sticking to her feet. >> and but here's the thing. if cameron is foreign secretary in

the lords , could he could he the lords, could he could he really? if rishi sunak if they lose the tory party, the tory party lose the election. so it looks like could he run for leader the house of lords? leader from the house of lords? well, haven't a prime well, they haven't had a prime minister the house of lords minister from the house of lords for very, long time. we for a very, very long time. we have back something have to go back to something like salisbury. like lord salisbury. >> yes, well, of course you >> yes, well, and of course you can revoke the peerage as alec douglas—home when he became douglas—home did when he became prime but yes, i prime minister. yeah, but yes, i mean, it's theoretic hinckley. anything at the anything is possible at the moment because he he thought he was pm for very was going to be pm for a very long was going to be pm for a very lon he was up against jeremy >> he was up against jeremy corbyn. ghastly, useless. yes. but flounced out over brexit. b rexit. >> brexit. >> yeah. i mean there will be people saying suella is going to now really step up to try and become leader of the party. i don't think she's got any chance and it won't be before the election. and i'm told that election. and i'm also told that kemi badenoch has fallen out with rishi and later on today, i wouldn't be surprised if she perhaps gets returns to her old job. >> so how many how much

reshuffle , ling, do you think we reshuffle, ling, do you think we should expect today? well i mean, i don't think i mean , just mean, i don't think i mean, just those two. >> no coffee will go . i think >> no coffee will go. i think theresa coffee will go. i think others could go. look, this is if this is his last big chance to the government, we can to reset the government, we can talk to chris hope, who's in in outside no. chris our outside no. ten. chris hope, our political editor. chris, morning i >> move, move, move, move, move! >> move, move, move, move, move! >> are you there, chris? how are you? we're very well, chris. now, do you know what's going on in there with david cameron? >> i think he's about to made her foreign secretary andrew it's basically like you and i going back to the old days, isn't it, in the 2010s? i mean, yeah, we think he's going to he's back government. that he's back in government. that probably will necessitate a peerage him. definitely and peerage for him. definitely and along of lord along the lines of lord carrington, back in the early 80s, during the time the 80s, during the time in the falklands war, we're pretty sure he's invade foreign he's about to invade foreign secretary james cleverly is confirmed as home secretary and did we? >> nobody saw this one coming, chris. we all like to pride ourselves. we read all these

endless speculations about reshuffles. nobody saw that coming, though he was coming, even though he was standing cenotaph, standing outside the cenotaph, only . only yesterday. >> if you've been around as long as i have, andrew, you've written most stories before, and i story in 2017 for i wrote this story in 2017 for the idea been the telegraph, the idea had been then he could come back as then that he could come back as a peer, as foreign secretary. but back i think the issue but back then, i think the issue with brexit was so raw it was too soon for him to come back. but i think, as he been saying on who is on air, andrew is someone who is respected in the party, has more to give. i think is a secret brexiteer, by the way, more than bofis brexiteer, by the way, more than boris johnson was anyway. i think he's someone who can give a bit of grown up ness to the operation in 10 downing street behind me. he also we've got piers pottinger . piers pottinger. >> he's a he's a consummate performer on the tv and the radio, too. and a cabinet shorn of people who are not consummate performers, as . chris performers, as. chris >> yes, totally . i think he's >> yes, totally. i think he's someone who's been around, knows how things are done. i mean, the role of foreign secretary is not

really a political role, is it, andrew? it's one where you're on planes, around, you're planes, you're around, you're around. looking over my around. i'm just looking over my shoulder might appear shoulder in case he might appear at any point even james at any point or even james cleverly me. cleverly might appear behind me. if happens, break if that happens, i'll break away. yes, exactly right. away. but yes, exactly right. it's which a chief it's a role which is a chief diplomats job. it's not really a political job in the same way you're out there batting for britain. he's someone who's had real i think, since real experience. i think, since he down prime minister. he stood down as prime minister. he had an issue there with his finance , which was a problem for finance, which was a problem for him. he's got past that. him. but he's got past that. a big campaign on dementia , big campaign on dementia, alzheimer's. he's shown alzheimer's. but he's shown i think hasn't really been think he's hasn't really been able to make a big lots of money in the private sector that we know . therefore. i know about. therefore. so i think for him to think he's a chance for him to come back. unfinished business, i way you describe i think, is the way you describe it, piers postures here. >> secretary, he's >> foreign secretary, he's a hugely at hugely important role at the moment. we've got a war in ukraine, the middle east. ukraine, war in the middle east. they still haven't sorted brexit. they're still ramifications brexit. absolutely. and of course, with gaza >> and of course, also with gaza and the middle east, cameron is and the middle east, cameron is a man , a steady hand, a sure a man, a steady hand, a sure hand , and he is someone who

hand, and he is someone who i think will make a superb diplomat . diplomat. >> what does this mean now ? i'm >> what does this mean now? i'm just thinking about looking fonnard to this week. we've got the court decision on the supreme court decision on wednesday having wednesday about rwanda having james cleverly in charge of that department now means that what regardless if they lose that regardless of if they lose that case on wednesday, which we're suspecting, maybe they've had a whiff of, that's what's going to happen. james cleverly can be there and not have to take any responsible ability. that's right. this right. he will say, well, this didn't you this was didn't you know, this was nothing do with me. i'm new nothing to do with me. i'm new to department, have to this department, so i have to now up what, a, plan now come up with what, a, plan b? it's quite a clever way of shifting. >> and also, you see, if they did reshuffle later the did the reshuffle later and the government rwanda, the government loses rwanda, the home secretary could have resigned a point of principle resigned on a point of principle on wednesday. then lost on wednesday. and then he's lost his he would his chance to sack. so he would have controlled. we're have been controlled. we're going chris hope again. going back to chris hope again. chris hope back number 10 chris hope back in number 10 downing. chris. the latest. downing. see chris. the latest. any comings and goings ? any more comings and goings? >> well, think james cleverly, >> well, i think james cleverly, dave, cleverly home dave, cleverly the new home secretary is about to appear behind me. he's someone who is a real campaigning minister. he

was when he was when he was party chairman, he was the minister for the today programme. he's somebody who i think the language of think can talk the language of the grassroots. can the party grassroots. he can actually think with actually impress, i think with his his sound conservative his with his sound conservative values. of course, he looked at running london back in running for london mayor back in the day. it's certainly a big moment him. i mean, i think moment for him. i mean, i think foreign is a great foreign secretary is a great office of state. looking over my shoulder appears shoulder in case he appears right now foreign secretary shoulder in case he appears rigat now foreign secretary shoulder in case he appears riga great foreign secretary shoulder in case he appears riga great office eign secretary shoulder in case he appears riga great office of n secretary shoulder in case he appears riga great office of state. etary shoulder in case he appears riga great office of state. but/ is a great office of state. but i home secretary is one i think home secretary is one where election will be where the election will be fought at year. and fought or lost at next year. and that's why i think this is a real sign here that mr sunak is bringing bringing a team here who wants to try and take the fight on same team as fight to on the same team as well, together against well, fight together against keir and chris. keir starmer and chris. >> chris, there will also >> so and chris, there will also be view that cleverly will be the view that cleverly will be the view that cleverly will be as the prime be on the same side as the prime minister, whereas braverman often be often appeared to be deliberately with her deliberately at odds with her own minister own prime minister >> cleverly we'll have exactly. >> i think certainly he's >> i think he certainly he's more he's more in more more he's more he's more in tune where the where the tune with where the where the party will be where and party will be and where and where the pm will be. and that's why back in.

why he's been brought back in. he's someone who can who is confident, can talk with confident, can can talk with confidence, think, and impress confidence, i think, and impress impress the base. but he's not his aren't the same his politics aren't in the same way braverman aren't out way as the braverman aren't out there he's not seen as a standard bearer for the right in the same way issues are remaining. already the same way issues are ren my ing. already the same way issues are ren my ing my already the same way issues are ren my ing my whatsapp already the same way issues are ren my ing my whatsapp feedst the same way issues are ren my ing my whatsapp feeds lots on my on my whatsapp feeds lots of angry people on the right saying our person gone? saying where's our person gone? where suella braverman where is suella braverman gone? i'm sure. cleverly i'm not sure. james cleverly matches bringing in matches that. so bringing in james and maybe as james cleverly and maybe as home secretary and david secretary and maybe david cameron's secretary cameron's foreign secretary won't do to allay the won't do enough to allay the right might see some. the right and we might see some. the big row tomorrow could be what on are the right got left on earth are the right got left in this party? >> would you expect any >> would you expect to see any more positions around more positions shuffled around today? well there are today? chris is well there are rumours that right now these are the two big movements. >> it's the foreign secretary and home secretary. other moves may happen . tyrese coffey, of may happen. tyrese coffey, of course the environment secretary , jack , , she may be off. alister jack, the secretary who is the scottish secretary who is standing the next standing down at the next election, maybe even steve election, an maybe even steve barclay health. could be barclay at health. he could be on the way. it depends how far and wide he wants go. and of

and wide he wants to go. and of course the big one is, of course, jeremy hunt as chancellor. accidental chancellor. he's the accidental chancellor. he's the accidental chancellor liz chancellor appointed by liz truss, on by rishi sunak. truss, kept on by rishi sunak. will he go ? a very unlikely, will he go? a very unlikely, very unlikely, given got the very unlikely, given he got the autumn statement next year and it may he go off to the it may be he might go off to the spnng it may be he might go off to the spring if he goes at all. spring budget if he goes at all. yeah >> all right, chris. chris stay there with us because we want to keep what's going. if is james cleverly turning into a potential next future tory leader, he could be. >> i mean, i think the key thing is if the rwanda decision goes the way we think, i.e. against the way we think, i.e. against the government , he's got to have the government, he's got to have a plan quickly . he because a plan quickly. he because immigration is still the number one issue on the doorstep . on one issue on the doorstep. on the hustings, everyone where they're talking about this was a big commitment by sunak about immigration. it's one of his pledges, isn't it? one of his five pledges. and that the one thatis five pledges. and that the one that is most sensitive in terms of votes and cleverly i mean, i don't know what he's going to come up with, but he hasn't got long to come up with something.

>> i wonder if they've already devised something just interim. are we back to number 10 are we going back to number 10 now? leaving number now? somebody leaving number 10? that does not look like a cabinet minister. we're going back chris every chris, back to chris every time, chris, that door opens, we're going to ask you what's happening. i'm afraid yeah , yeah, totally. >> chris yeah, yeah, totally. andrew yes, totally. andrew i think james cleverly is about to appean think james cleverly is about to appear. and of course, as you say, i think this will do is his attempt or his hopes maybe of replacing rishi sunak if the party election next party lose the election next yean party lose the election next year, then it will do no harm at all. so we'll wait and see. i'm half looking over my shoulder in case the case he appears to shout the questions which .gb news viewers want to hear answered. let's questions which .gb news viewers wanino, hear answered. let's questions which .gb news viewers wanino, that'snswered. let's questions which .gb news viewers wanino, that'snswdhe. let's questions which .gb news viewers wanino, that'snswdhe home see. no, that's not the home secretary. photographer. see. no, that's not the home secretary. a 1otographer. see. no, that's not the home secretary. a photographer. >> that's a photographer. >> that's a photographer. >> not the home secretary. >> not the home secretary. >> he been taking >> so has he been taking photographs of who's had photographs of who's just had their profile picture? >> lovely. >> yeah, lovely. >> yeah, lovely. >> now, right. how? we thought the boat was travelling. hello, james. how you thought james. how. how have you thought the . the boat. >> he's walking very slowly for the cameras as they do. no briefcase, no coat. >> definitely . >> definitely. >> definitely. >> how would you stop the boat?

>> how would you stop the boat? >> and he's getting in his government car, which is a sign he's not been sacked because he wouldn't a government car. wouldn't have a government car. >> is that right? you have to go out hail an uber. yeah. out and hail him an uber. yeah. >> quickly. nothing so >> very quickly. nothing so humiliating being sacked. humiliating as being sacked. >> he's right. >> he's right. >> right. we want to >> he's right. what we want to know that car going to know is, is that car going to the office? i suspect it the home office? i suspect it is. that's his ministerial car. and there'll be 2 or 3 in the car because he's a lot of car because he's got a lot of security. so that's the home secretary. we've pretty sure is the chris, he the james cleverly, chris, he wouldn't say anything but bah humbug. >> no, i was asking him the only question that matters in terms of tory politics, how will you stop the boats? >> mr cleverly he's in his in—tray now is a ruling by in—tray right now is a ruling by the supreme court on wednesday which will say whether the government can go ahead with rishi sunak's plan. don't forget the pm's plan to prop sps illegal arrivals here in rwanda. that's what he's worrying about and he'll see maybe early site or get a feel for what the ons will say on net migration figures next thursday, thursday, next week. two massive things in his in—tray . there might even be

his in—tray. there might even be an urgent question in the house of commons today when the mr cleverly will be asked how cleverly will be asked about how the how home office reacted the how the home office reacted and behaved towards these protests at the weekend and a lot on and there we go. that's the new home leaving the new home secretary leaving right the home office right now for the home office over marsham street here in westminster. >> the here's the thing, suella braverman was very much as as we've been discussing on here, lots of times she seemed to be a clear brexiteer. she seems to be one the few, one lone voice that was very much in favour of strong borders and less immigration and taking a hard line on the boats. who's left now? because this looks like a victory for the liberal media who didn't like what she said in the times last week. and for those politicians who don't want to hear those sorts of messages, who's left to speak that sort of rhetoric, piers, and to appeal to voters? to those voters? >> well, is one, but she's >> well, kemi is one, but she's gone out. well, i am being told that she is not. she's suddenly fallen out with rishi. and i

don't know quite why. there's also penny mordaunt and of course, i'm sure if there's any leadership come contest, she'll be back in that. leadership come contest, she'll be back in that . but again , be back in that. but again, their voices are not that strong. they're not heard that often. and again, i doubt that they have quite the appeal with they have quite the appeal with the public and cleverly has got to actually do something clever. yeah. and he's got, as chris hope has just said, a big in—tray and it could be and he hasn't got time to sort of talk about reviews hold committees inquiry which is what they all love doing consultation he's got to actually say right we've had this rejected by the supreme court. we've got to do this. and by the way, when it comes to the marches, we're going to do x and they've got to do something because we have because we cannot have continuous anti semite protests

on our streets. it is really shocking . shocking. >> but if the wretched supreme court does block this, there will be fury in the country, i think, because i think it's not the ideal, but it was a solution. and lots of other countries in europe now are catching up. greece and denmark and italy, italy , even germany and italy, italy, even germany is now thinking that they've got to do something. so we will probably ahead of the game here, immigration is the biggest issue in the whole of europe and i mean france and labour with no solution at all. >> france has had 28 immigration bills in the last ten years and it's good. it's the number one issue in france. yeah it is. and even marie le pen in marine le pen in france is now coming out to criticise the anti semite protests in france, which is extraordinary for her party. i know just just fast fonnard for me here. >> so if we have an election in may next year and i think we all agree that's looking less and less likely, do you think that's unlikely? piers i think it's very unlikely.

unlikely? piers i think it's verji unlikely. unlikely? piers i think it's verji thinkely. unlikely? piers i think it's verji think it. unlikely? piers i think it's verji think it will be at the >> i think it will be at the last possible moment in october and november. and needs and november. and rishi needs as much to try and much possible time to try and turn things around, even though much possible time to try and t|thinkings around, even though much possible time to try and t|think it's! around, even though much possible time to try and t|think it's a round, even though much possible time to try and t|think it's a hopelessen though much possible time to try and t|think it's a hopeless task.)ugh i think it's a hopeless task. okay >> so if we have an election next autumn, which is actually it's it's nearly a year it's a long it's nearly a year away so where will suella away now, so where will suella braverman be by then if she will? crystal ball? >> well, she will be. she will be on the backbenches. she will she may join a think tank. she'll be writing articles. she'll be writing articles. she'll be writing pamphlets about his side. about being a thorn in his side. without next without a doubt. next year. without a doubt. next year. without has to without a doubt. but she has to be. got to be careful. be. they've got to be careful. she mustn't seen as doing she mustn't be seen as doing a running commentary, which is critical rishi. she's got to critical of rishi. she's got to be a constructive because be a constructive critic because she to be british. she has to be british. >> people don't like bad. they don't. and sour grapes only goes so far. yeah and we've seen politician after politician ex—minister after ex—minister play ex—minister after ex—minister play for the sour grapes card and then disappear into oblivion . ian yeah, exactly. >> if she then wins her seat in next autumn. yeah where would

she be in terms of making or trying to become leader of the conservative party if there's a labour victory, but she wins her seat, what then? >> well, the conservatives, if they lose the election, rishi will probably stand down in a few months. immediately immediately. and there'll be a leadership contest. they'll pick a leader within 2 to 3 months and put her name fonnard. and she'll put her name fonnard. yes, without i suspect yes, without a doubt. i suspect mr cleverly will. i suspect penny morton will again . penny penny morton will again. penny kemi badenoch again. michael gove will not would be my view, and i think they may well change the way the leader is chosen. so it's just decided by mps so that mps have more of a say and that it is less dependent on the membership whip who can be misguided . misguided. >> as we saw with liz truss . >> as we saw with liz truss. >> as we saw with liz truss. >> and if rishi sunak doesn't manage to stop the boats or now james cleverly doesn't have much impact in that area. suella braverman will be perfect position if only you'd position to say if only you'd kept me in job. i was the kept me in the job. i was the only one who had the strong

rhetoric about immigration and i would stopped them. and would have stopped them. and there will contingent there will be a large contingent of who like her for that, of people who like her for that, i i think she's very >> and i think she's very popular behind the red wall, which is very which is why i think popular there. think she is very popular there. >> mean, the problem that >> i mean, the problem is that the is divided. this the party is divided. this phrase tory rebels is the death knell for party because knell for the party because as i keep , nobody ever votes keep saying, nobody ever votes for a divided party. and the more that the labour party can make the conservatives look split , even make the conservatives look split, even though they are in a much worse position than incidentally than the conservatives , they are very conservatives, they are very heavily split. yeah, but but the more conservatives look more the conservatives look split, the more sour grapes people on the back benches, the better it is for starmer. >> we just if you're listening on the radio, we've just got pictures now of james cleverly, the secretary, arriving the new home secretary, arriving at home office. don't know at the home office. i don't know who is trying to talk who that chap is trying to talk to but he's on his own. to him, but he's on his own. he's very slowly. he. he he's walking very slowly. he. he knows are fixed on knows the cameras are fixed on him. course, there's of him. of course, there's lots of cameras fixed him. an awful cameras fixed on him. an awful lot cameras. and looks lot of cameras. and he looks like to do a chat. like he's going to do a chat. he's going do it. it's what

he's going to do it. it's what we call a doorstep chat. so we'll have a listen to what the new home secretary is about to say. here go . it doesn't look say. here we go. it doesn't look like we've got any audio , but as like we've got any audio, but as soon as the home secretary starts to speak , he is speaking. starts to speak, he is speaking. but we haven't got audio . so but we haven't got audio. so that's so that's confirmed. that's confirmed , piers. he is that's confirmed, piers. he is the home secretary and he's . the home secretary and he's. >> that's a little unusual, isn't it, to go from being given the job to straight to the office. >> it shows they can't hang around, doesn't it? >> i mean, they can't hang around apologies. we haven't got the audio. we will bring it to you eventually. but this was an unanticipated move in this chain of have thought of events. who'd have thought so quickly been talking to the press? >> i suspect yesterday >> i suspect he knew yesterday that this was going to that he knew this was going to happen yesterday. suspect i that he knew this was going to happen yesterday. suspect1 or happen yesterday. i suspect i or 2 knew. wouldn't 2 people knew. wouldn't you agree, i think must agree, piers? i think they must have the major players who have done the major players who are i mean, she are being moved and i mean, she won't braverman won't know, won't have braverman won't know, but he will have known. and it would been as we've

would all have been as we've said, he's he's you know, he hasn't the luxury any hasn't got any the luxury of any time to acclimatise. >> he's right in there. and he's got right got to get right away. >> and he also couldn't have gone number 10 this morning gone into number 10 this morning and told prime minister, and told the prime minister, i want be home secretary want you to be home secretary says thanks very much, prime minister, not moving. minister, but i'm not moving. no, be problematic. minister, but i'm not moving. no that be problematic. minister, but i'm not moving. no that would be problematic. minister, but i'm not moving. no that would all! problematic. minister, but i'm not moving. no that would all havelematic. minister, but i'm not moving. no that would all have been.ic. so that would all have been signed off. cameron thing signed off. the cameron thing would have been signed off yesterday to. so but and braverman would have told braverman would have been told this because she'd have this morning because she'd have leaked this morning because she'd have lea yes. this morning because she'd have lea david cameron coming back in. >> david cameron coming back in. just always makes me think of brexit, course, because brexit, of course, because it was him being was effectively him being concerned ukip vote . concerned about the ukip vote. well, useless and he got well, he was useless and he got it and he genuinely it all wrong and he genuinely believed that that we believed that that that we wouldn't for brexit wouldn't vote for brexit arrogant project fear. well, of course you know who i want to talk to this morning? but he's just arrived in australia to go in the jungle is nigel farage. now i would love to know what he's making of this this morning because the because of course, he was the person who david cameron person who forced david cameron to referendum. to call that referendum. >> suella could joining to call that referendum. >> in suella could joining to call that referendum. >> in the uella could joining to call that referendum. >> in the jungle,wuld joining to call that referendum. >> in the jungle, actually, ining to call that referendum. >> in the jungle, actually, you; him in the jungle, actually, you know, she might be a mystery guest. >> what did cameron say of ukip?

it's full of fruitcakes, swivel eyed, swivel eyed and eyed, swivel eyed loons and homophobes. pretty homophobes. it was a pretty offensive to say. offensive thing to say. >> there's a man had george >> there's a man who had george osborne his chancellor yeah. osborne as his chancellor yeah. and osborne . and george osborne. >> please don't say he's coming back. stick back. well hopefully not stick to the british museum and i hope his influence is not going to still show itself with cameron because i think cameron's big mistake was osborne, quite frankly. and they they were just stuck together like glue . stuck together like glue. >> they did. and because cameron's nothing if not loyal as a person and i mean, he's i'm, as i said, a great admirer of david cameron. and i think he'll be a superb foreign secretary >> yeah, i have to say, my overriding memory of one of i think the best terms of government was was david cameron and nick clegg . i look back on and nick clegg. i look back on that as a very successful partnership, and i think as somebody kind of, you know, i remember thinking at the time that there were lots of very

sensible, quite centrist decisions being made and the majority of people in this country would probably see themselves politically somewhere centrist. i don't about >> well, i don't agree about nick i'm sorry. nick clegg. i'm sorry. >> agree. nick clegg. i'm sorry. >> because all the lib dems in the government, in the coalition were forget were disastrous. don't forget vince cable and ed davey were responsible . well, ed davey was responsible. well, ed davey was for minister the post office. yes. and he signed off on the biggest miscarriage of british justice in history. of those poor subpostmasters . and for poor subpostmasters. and for something for which he's never properly apologised and neither, of course, is the dreadful vince cable. no. anyway, the lib dems, i mean, have we heard anything from them recently about anything? >> no, not that there's much going on in the world. >> we hear nothing from am i worry coalition? worry about the coalition? >> david cameron seemed >> was that david cameron seemed to be more comfortable in the company of the lib dem leader and of his own and the with some of his own tory did i mean he was tory mp did i mean he was a little bit to blame for the conservatives losing their conservatism. >> yeah, but that was unfortunately forced on him by the coalition. yeah because he had to give up a little bit of

ground to the ghastly lib dems, which has got us nowhere . and which has got us nowhere. and now he's got to show that he's actually a proper conservative foreign secretary. >> yeah, so and he's now on the world stage as a statesman again. >> we've just seen a clip of theresa coffey walking up 10 downing street >> please don't say she's getting another job. >> these are live pictures. here we go. chris >> hope so. we've got chris hope in number 10 outside. number 10. >> confirm that david >> i can't confirm that david cameron new foreign cameron is the new foreign secretary, but as i'm speaking , secretary, but as i'm speaking, therese coffey, who is the environment secretary, is walking street can walking up the street here. can you that the why? why are you see that the why? why are you see that the why? why are you in number 10? mr ms coffey oh, she stopped the downing street cat promotion . street cat promotion. >> it can't be a promotion , >> it can't be a promotion, surely. please sack this woman. why >> what's she do that's so bad? >> what's she do that's so bad? >> what's she do that's so bad? >> what does she do? >> what does she do? >> ever . >> ever. >> ever. >> what's your. she was an unlikely host environment secretary. well, she's now very state department secretary, i

gather. i gather now , i don't gather. i gather now, i don't it's news to me if they're going to bring people in to sack them, because more and more they do that behind the scenes. they normally bear them in the parliamentary office, the parliamentary office, the parliamentary office. nobody seesit. parliamentary office. nobody sees it . but we have got it sees it. but we have got it confirmed that david cameron is the new foreign secretary. and i suspect he's out the the new foreign secretary. and i susp(door he's out the the new foreign secretary. and i susp(door . he's out the back door. >> why would he do that? >> why would he do that? >> because he doesn't want it to be all about him and there's a reshuffle going on. but we've got chris out back. so it's definitely cameron. chris definitely david cameron. chris i think i think i think david cameron is going to walk alongside me here any moment. >> andrew not out the back door. he's now the new foreign secretary and hang on doors opening. there's way through opening. there's a way through downing street to the foreign secretary. a cat secretary. no, that's a cat going in. >> and the cat going back indoors. very important. stay calm. >> stay calm. stay calm. andrew calm. >> right.alm. stay calm. andrew calm. >> right. alm. know calm. andrew calm. >> right.alm. know ,alm. andrew calm. >> right.alm. know ,alm.andrew, >> right. you know, but andrew, you you are right. you are you are right. >> you are right to say you are right to say. it's interesting, isn't it, that got theresa isn't it, that we've got theresa coffey walking in through the front normally get

front door. normally if you get sacked, get a meeting sacked, you don't get a meeting through front door with the through the front door with the prime minister. it suggests prime minister. so it suggests maybe theresa may a maybe theresa coffey may have a new government. we don't new role in government. we don't know and was know what it is. and she was tipped by many people, including me, to be removed from government in this reshuffle that the case. it may that may not be the case. it may be the sackings are be normally the sackings are done behind the scenes the done behind the scenes in the pm's parliament, pm's office back in parliament, where like can't where where people like me can't see and shout cheeky questions at them. so let's wait and see how ends up. are how that one ends up. but we are waiting immediately david waiting immediately for david cameron, the comeback of all comebacks come to past comebacks to come to walk past us secretary us here as new foreign secretary and his in and take his seat in king charles street. few charles street. surely a few yards away from where i'm standing. so no no sign yet, but it is quite interesting. i think this he's going to have to this is a he's going to have to get to the house of lords. >> chris, a bit quick because he's have to be he's going to have to be ennobled because othennise he's got no platform can got no platform on which he can be secretary. so be foreign secretary. so presumably will be presumably the peerage will be created today. we're going to see dressed his ermine. >> yes . well, he'll be created >> yes. well, he'll be created today, won't it? and then and then he'll be he'll be introduced to the house of lords introduced to the house of lords in his ermine some point this

in his ermine at some point this week. start week. and he'll start work. i think great comeback for think it's a great comeback for him. it's someone i think. i think i agree with what pearce pottinger says. i think a pottinger says. i think he's a good appointment. he bring good appointment. he will bring calmness. think think calmness. i think i think the world so uncertain at the world is so uncertain at the moment ukraine and the and moment with ukraine and the and the within and the battles within israel and hamas. you need to have hamas. i think you need to have someone cameron, someone like david cameron, a senior on world senior figure on the world stage, a statesman. i think james clavell did a great job, no was no question. and he was criticised people for criticised by some people for being on photo being too keen on photo opportunities i didn't agree opportunities. i didn't agree with that. i think was very with that. i think he was very visible and a good foreign secretary, but think that secretary, but i think that david bring david cameron will bring calmness to an area. i think that more that the world feels more uncertain ever now. uncertain than ever right now. and david cameron and you've got david cameron there. concerns. of there. there'll be concerns. of course, the remain course, he fought for the remain campaign brexit campaign during the brexit referendum. that as referendum. but i think that as i before, secretly, he's i said before, secretly, he's a bit brexiteer, really, and bit of a brexiteer, really, and he never really owned that that choice. he the chance choice. he did give the chance to country to choose which to the country to choose which country chose and he resigned immediately as the immediately the same day as the democrat, that's what democrat, and that's what he did. think he will be an did. i think that he will be an interesting probably good interesting and probably a good appointment government. appointment to the government. he us shortly,

he should walk past us shortly, perhaps after that, larry. the cat's done first. should cat's done first. andrew should we just speculate minute we just speculate for a minute as coffee might as to what theresa coffee might be to? be moving to? >> environment food >> she's she's environment food and rural affairs now , who would and rural affairs now, who would want that job and where would she go? >> i can't think what job she's got than involving one got other than involving one involving large sack . she involving a large sack. she should be sacked. i can't. >> i i'm not sure she's done anything that would really warrant being sacked. you can't. i mean, the stuff going in i mean, all the stuff going in the rivers on her watch. >> she hasn't had education. education >> well, well, the education secretary of state is keegan very vulnerable. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> over the concrete, accepting responsibility for it when it's down to mishandling the whole thing. >> yeah, but there's been no headune >> yeah, but there's been no headline grabbing event, like you say, apart from the watennays. well, that's been deeply unpopular, deeply very unpopular them of unpopular and cost them a lot of votes the local council elections. >> and i don't think she handled it but the riots, riot it well. but the riots, the riot act should read to those act should be read to those water really should. >> so just so was there going to be a big reshuffle today anyway, or is this being triggered

or is this all being triggered by booths? by suella getting the booths? >> is the trigger >> yes, suella is the trigger and therefore there was going to be reshuffle, but we be a big reshuffle, but we thought be later thought it was going to be later in month after the autumn in the month after the autumn statement and then get on. but he can't stand the speculation. will she had will she? won't she? she had to go. in his view. go. that is, in his view. >> then that feels a bit harsh. if theresa loses her if theresa coffey loses her ministerial role because because of which then of the domino effect, which then just you think, so what is just makes you think, so what is the effect that would the domino effect that would lead well, lead to her going, well, no, because the ministers because the other ministers would the reshuffle anyway. >> the door keeps opening and shutting. this david shutting. so is this david cameron being all shy and reluctant because we're we're desperate to see larry, the cat's gone back in. we've got in the with we should the studio with us, we should say, danchuk is here, say, simon danchuk is here, former mp, now simon, you former labour mp, now simon, you know, these reshuffles, know, with these reshuffles, this astonishing. david this is astonishing. david cameron did you see cameron coming back. did you see this completely >> no, it's completely leftfield, it's a high leftfield, isn't it? it's a high risk strategy. i think in terms of rishi sunak braverman of rishi sunak suella, braverman is the wall is very popular in the red wall seats. she? she's tough. seats. is she? she's tough. she's a tough home secretary that's how she's perceived. i were to talking conservative party over weekend party members over the weekend and she's really popular with

them. she took a tough line in terms of the anti—semitism that we saw over the weekend. so it's a high risk strategy, moving her out as he has done. >> simon we've got jacob rees—mogg with us as well down the line as we watch these live pictures downing street. pictures from downing street. good morning, i'm good morning, jacob. i'm dying to your assessment of this to hear your assessment of this situation. do think situation. how long do you think it's running that it's been in the running that david cameron was standby to david cameron was on standby to become foreign secretary, foreign . secretary foreign. secretary >> i have no idea. i mean, it's certainly very interesting. the last time a former leader , a last time a former leader, a former prime minister and former leader came back was alec douglas—home. and that was in the 1970 cabinet. so this is a long time since a prime minister has been willing to serve former prime minister in a less senior role . it used to happen the role. it used to happen the whole time in the 19th century andindeed whole time in the 19th century and indeed into the 20th century. but about 50 years since it last happened . since it last happened. >> the sacking of suella braverman . jacob

braverman. jacob >> i think it's a mistake that suella understand is what the country thinks about migration and the concerns the country has is serious about it was determined to get it down somehow as she spoke in a way that others were a bit squeamish about. that others were a bit squeamish about . but that's not really the about. but that's not really the point. the point is that as home secretary, she was committed to delivering something that the country thinks is important. >> why has he done it? why has he done it? >> well, i think that that he has a different view on migration . migration. >> that's a and i don't just >> that's a and i don'tjust mean illegal migration. >> i mean, i mean legal migration to that. you see the small boats may be 50,000, but legal migration last year was 606,000. and there's strong pressure from the treasury to keep it at those levels. and so suella rightly understood that large scale legal migration is problematic as well. and she had proposals for reducing it, which the prime minister didn't seem

to be in favour of. >> but unless he does take a harder line on migration, jacob, he's going to lose the next election because it repeatedly appears the top three issues appears in the top three issues that people feel really strongly about. >> i think from the point of view of the conservatives winning the next election today is a mistake because suella understood what the british voter thought and was trying to do something about it. and it seems to me that the prime minister is not as well attuned to the voters concerns as suella braverman . braverman. >> and what about mr cleverly ? >> and what about mr cleverly? you know very well. do you you know him very well. do you think plugged the fact think he's plugged into the fact that country is very anxious that the country is very anxious about the high levels of . immigration >> i'm not sure that james is >> i'm not sure thatjames is a first class man. there is nobody in parliament who doesn't like and think well of james. so that's always important in politics. and he's very popular when broadcasting. so he's a excellent spokesman for conservatives . um, he's never conservatives. um, he's never particularly made his name on

the migration issue . so i don't the migration issue. so i don't think it's particularly clear what what his view is, but it's unlikely to be as tough as that of either suella or indeed of priti patel before her. >> would you suggest that these changes indicate that the result on wednesday from the supreme court about the rwanda ruling will not go in the government's favour ? the i don't know. favour? the i don't know. >> i assume the supreme court keeps its judgements absolutely confidential until they're read out. i don't expect the government knows . i would government knows. i would certainly assume not. if the government does lose on wednesday, it has to legislate to override the human rights act and override the european convention on human rights and to campaign to leave the european convention on human rights if the government squeamish about that, then it won't deal the illegal won't deal with the illegal boats, with legal boats, let alone with legal migration boats, let alone with legal migandnn we know what james >> and do we know what james cleverly's on that is . cleverly's position on that is. not attributable? >> no, i don't know his his

specific views on rwanda or on the echr d0 specific views on rwanda or on the echr do you see jacob suella will be on the backbenches ? will be on the backbenches? >> she will. she's made it clear she's going to speak out. she will speak out on the european court . the european court, of court. the european court, of course. is going to be course. is she going to be in your very serious your view, a very serious contender to be the next leader of the conservative party if the tories lose the next general election ? election? >> suella was a serious contender last year when boris went, she did much better than people had expected . and she is people had expected. and she is a formidable politician . and a formidable politician. and importantly, she has her finger on what people think . she's not on what people think. she's not somebody who has been absorbed by the blob . jacob before the by the blob. jacob before the weekend, there was so much speculation about whether these armistice day protests should go ahead. >> i'm writing thinking that you you did believe that we should allow people to protest peacefully on the streets. do you look back at the weekend and think that was the right decision? now i think the law is

right that the police make the decision on intelligence , but decision on intelligence, but that there should be a high bar for banning protests that were instances of disorder and crime. >> and i think it's right to hold the police to account for that. i think we need to see a full audit really of the levels of crime that there were. but we are a free country and protest is important, but it's not a free country to say anti—semitic things and stir up hatred . things and stir up hatred. >> and jacob, what does david cameron bring to this government and what do you think he brings in the eyes of the electorate . at >> well, it's very nice to have an old etonian back in the cabinet, which we haven't had for since since i left. and i think this is very important and there will be some champagne corks being popped in for this afternoon, except not with those people, of course, who want to vote for the conservative party, but think it is just full of old etonians and you're all just

keeping each other in the loop and that actually it's and that actually maybe it's time non etonians time for some non old etonians to be in government . to be in government. >> well. well the prime minister is a wykehamist, so we haven't got that many old etonians and only one in the cabinet at the moment. >> dare say, i wasn't being >> dare i say, i wasn't being entirely serious with that point. >> can ask you, jacob, just >> can i ask you, jacob, just finally, before we let you go, do you think some brexiteers like yourself may this like yourself may find this an appointment approve of appointment will not approve of the appointment of the appointment because of cameron's on brexit cameron's position on brexit project and his botched project fear and his botched negotiation with the eu that he should not be brought back at all? >> well, i think it's lucky that nigel's gone off to the jungle and we won't be hearing his views on this. >> what's your view . >> what's your view. >> what's your view. >> well, david cameron got the brexit issue wrong in terms of the conservative party and indeed the country at large. who voted to leave. but he did give us the choice to have the vote without him, we wouldn't have had referendum . um, he a had that referendum. um, he is a highly intelligent, capable

individual . highly intelligent, capable individual. but will this potentially push some people off to reform is a question for the pollsters . pollsters. >> do you think he's been brought in because rishi sunak knows that he's not terribly popular, which is quite an understatement actually, with the voters. and he feels that david cameron has that familiarity . he's he's much more familiarity. he's he's much more of a warm person. you know, he's always been very good in front of the camera. is that why he's been brought in? >> if he'd wanted to bring back somebody who was popular here and charismatic and appeal to the voters, there's a form of foreign secretary. and one time prime minister who might have been brought back, i think has a much greater electoral reach than david cameron. able, though, cameron too big. >> rishi sunak would not want bofis >> rishi sunak would not want boris there because he would overshadow the popularity of rishi sunak, whereas david cameron , if you think of rishi cameron, if you think of rishi sunak as being head boy, you alluded to his time at winchester. well, david cameron is deputy is the brilliant deputy head boy, he's good, but boy, isn't he? he's good, but maybe not that not too good at.

>> i'm not sure this is a contest of popularity between the two of them. really that i'm not sure either of them polled, particularly well at the moment. >> right. all right. that's jacob rees—mogg. great to talk to you. jacob, good to see you. thank you. simon danczuk from the labour perspective , rishi the labour perspective, rishi sunak, i mean, your lead, keir starmer, has been champing at the bit for her to be sacked. suella braverman will he be relieved she's gone or will he be disappointed she's gone? >> i think he'll be pleased with what's far today. i what's happened so far today. i mean, good sunak mean, he's been good in sunak into sacking braverman and he's gone and sacked her. it appears that that rishi sunak is building a more moderate government with david cameron coming fonnard. james cleverly at the home office is quite a moderate as james. he's not that well known to the public. he'll be much more moderate than suella braverman. i suspect that keir starmer is rubbing his hands now. i do think that david cameron appointed tonight is some, some of it is to do with

creating a distraction . you creating a distraction. you know, we are now talking as much about david cameron as we are about david cameron as we are about suella braverman being sacked. there's smart sacked. so there's some smart politics there, but i think he's moving party to the moving his party more to the centre . and if was centre ground. and if i was a red wall conservative mp, i'd be very worried . very worried. >> what do you make of that? >> what do you make of that? >> pearce yes, i think simon's summed up very well for the summed it up very well for the red wall brigade will be very unhappy because they were right behind suella. and as jacob rees—mogg was saying, i mean, she did have a big following on the immigration front and cleverly has got to move quickly and they've got to do something . and they've got to do something. if as the supreme court, i'm sure will, will vote against the government rule against the government, and then the question of coming out of the echr, i think is a very, very difficult decision and will cause a great deal of debate . cause a great deal of debate. >> she, of course, will campaign for that on the backbenches, campaign for it, and i suspect

cleverly will not want to come out of it. >> i'm sure that's and neither will cameron. he won't. from will cameron. no, he won't. from a foreign secretary's point of view, he will a say view, because he will have a say in well. of course, he in that as well. of course, he will. and a lot of issues. cameron now will have input into, not just it as foreign secretary, as a member of the cabinet and rishi does listen to members of the cabinet. he's a man who listens and thinks things through , too. so things through, too. so cameron's influence is going to be really of great significance. >> let's have a look. when she was sacked, suella braverman, a statement said it has been the greatest privilege of my life to serve as home secretary. and she said i will have more to say in due course. i imagine she will. simon that sounds a little loaded statement . of course, loaded statement. of course, it's easy to forget because we've been so focussed on events of weekend fact of this weekend and the fact that the police , that she criticised the police, perhaps in the run up to armistice day, what really caused a lot of controversy. simon recently saying simon recently was her saying that homelessness was a lifestyle choice. rishi sunak can add that to the list of

misdemeanours. >> yes, absolutely. and i've been i've been quite enthused by what suella braverman has done whilst tom secretary, but she clearly got wrong in terms of clearly got it wrong in terms of homelessness. her remarks there were incorrect you know i were just incorrect you know i mean and that that's probably added to the i think i sort of felt that was probably one of the final straws for the prime minister. >> and you could see in prime minister's questions last week when he being goaded by keir when he was being goaded by keir starmer , he sitting next to starmer, he was sitting next to suella and the body suella braverman and the body language, piers, was terrible. all he wanted that woman to be 40 it was not 40 miles away. it was not sitting to him. sitting next to him. >> saw that too. and but >> i saw that too. and but there's no question that was the most thing say. most unfortunate thing to say. yeah. this question yeah. and there is this question of whether she really was angung be of whether she really was angling be sacked. yeah that angling to be sacked. yeah that she probably knows the decision is going to go against her on wednesday. she knows that that she's in a hopeless position at the moment and therefore maybe come back as leader . that's what come back as leader. that's what i suspect she really wants . i suspect she really wants. >> yeah, it was under liz truss

of course, that she accidentally sent emails, but she was fired from a private and she and liz truss fired her didn't she . truss fired her didn't she. >> straight away. yeah. so the second time and, and sunak brought her back because yes. >> she's got behind his leadership . othennise it could leadership. othennise it could have been that boris was able to get in the race. but in politics you can get sacked all the time. >> yeah. look at peter mandelson. yeah. yeah, he was sacked twice, and he came back and back advising and now he's back advising starmer. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> in front >> putting himself in the front of party at the of the labour party at the conference. he even conference. yeah. he even gatecrashed show. andrew. conference. yeah. he even gatcertainly show. andrew. conference. yeah. he even gatcertainly . show. andrew. he certainly. >> he did. simon this is >> he did. he did. simon this is all a distraction of course, from the huge problems going on in your own party over war in gaza. it could be that there is a vote on the king's speech we don't know yet whether the speaker is going to permit the motion from the snp to be voted on. but if that's the case and labour frontbenchers vote with the in favour a the snp in favour of a ceasefire, now starmer is going to start people. to have to start sacking people. >> very >> things are moving very quickly, we've got

quickly, aren't they? we've got we've what's happened over we've seen what's happened over the weekend. the pro—palestine rally march there, lots of anti—semitism . then we've got anti—semitism. then we've got the reshuffle this morning. we're anticipating a vote on the middle east on wednesday . and middle east on wednesday. and you're absolutely right. if sunak sorts things out today, gets his reshuffle sorted and out of the way, it then moves the spotlight back to labour and that the middle east is a real challenge for starmer. he's walking a tightrope lots of muslim voters in the uk that won't be happy with his position on the ceasefire. lots of labour mps backing a ceasefire whilst starmer isn't that will cause real trouble for him on wednesday if it goes ahead. >> but what he'll do won't he do what they always do? they'll somehow these frontbenchers will be mysteriously of be mysteriously granted leave of absence the commons that absence from the commons that day they they avoid day so they so they can avoid voting against the party. where's the principle in that. >> no, absolutely. i think >> yeah. no, absolutely. i think he's called out on he's going to be called out on this. he has to take a tough

line. this line. and i've said this from day one. has to take a tough day one. he has to take a tough line on saying those in his line on saying to those in his parliamentary party, get parliamentary labour party, get behind issue. so far behind me on this issue. so far he's sticking to his guns piers. >> starmer yes. and usually >> yes. starmer yes. and usually yes, is. yes, he is. >> and i thought his speech on why backed didn't back the why he backed didn't back the ceasefire was extremely good. it was the first time i've been impressed with him and he came across as a man of stature over that. and i admire him for holding the ground, particularly against the awful jeremy corbyn, who was of course in great to the forefront over the weekend in stirring up anti—semitic hatred in the most appalling way in my view. he was very close to making criminal statements himself. >> here we go. here's david cameron has just walked out into into downing street. so chris hope we're going to go to chris hope immediately. >> so david cameron has chosen to walk out the front door and straight through the press pack, making sure that everybody got a photograph of him. i'm not sure

who was with him. do we know? >> i couldn't catch who that was. that could well be a senior diplomat or mandarin. we're going to go straight to chris hopein going to go straight to chris hope in number downing hope in number 10 downing street. chris >> well, there's one question for david cameron. are you glad to be back? he looked away and was away. i think with was chatting away. i think with probably senior left probably a senior official left and foreign he's and the foreign secretary, he's walked now through the shortcut between street and between downing street and king street charles street, where street, charles street, where his awaits the new his new desk awaits as the new foreign secretary of the united kingdom. a moment for him. kingdom. a big moment for him. he tanned , he looked relaxed, a bit tanned, maybe a bit. a bit. you know, the old cameron is back. it's quite an extraordinary moment here, a retread of the period 2010 to 2016. of course, when his prime minister william hague, the foreign brief hague, did the foreign brief from the house of lords. >> but this is the first time a former prime minister, chris, has been back in government since . 1970 . since. 1970. >> that's right. i mean, i think. yes, yes, indeed. it's very rare you come back as a

second bite. normally, if you're a former foreign former prime minister you go off and you make a living or you retire. if you're if you're older or you trust us to make speeches such as theresa may it's very rare you come back into the actual game. think that is really game. i think that is really because many ways he has because in many ways he has unfinished business. he resigned, didn't he? on the steps behind downing steps behind me at downing street the morning of the referendum campaign vote in 2016, that was gone. and 2016, and that was him gone. and he's been trying to find he's really been trying to find a role since failed to a role since then, failed to find one. and now he's back doing public service, something which to do. so which we always wanted to do. so he's a well regarded individual. i may have an issue. i think he may have an issue. i think there's a problem, by the way, with the tory, right. not going away as may very clear there by by by jacob rees—mogg, a standard bearer for the right. i think that's the concern. what can sunak now to can rishi sunak do now to assuage concerns that the party's been taken by party's been taken over by moderate with no real moderate tories with no, no real feeling for the right wing of the party? that's the problem. but for david cameron, it's great. great, great. he's great. it's great, great. he's back. what he wants do back. it's what he wants to do and i think he's going to

and he's i think he's going to be the world stage a senior be on the world stage a senior figure world and figure on the world stage, and that's a good thing. >> you know who he appeals >> and you know who he appeals to? actually, david cameron. he probably those probably he appeals to those conservative voters, the people who the time who we hear from all the time who we hear from all the time who say, i voted for the conservatives, years and conservatives, for 20 years and i won't for them again. i won't vote for them again. actually, they will probably i won't vote for them again. actuegoodiey will probably i won't vote for them again. actuegood memoriesobably i won't vote for them again. actuegood memories ofrbly i won't vote for them again. actuegood memories of him. as have good memories of him. as i was saying, i don't he didn't leave under huge controversy unless he were a remainer . and unless he were a remainer. and so maybe he does come with a sort of a positivity that he can bnng sort of a positivity that he can bring to the conservative party and a very broad appeal. he's a household name. everyone knows his . face his. face >> yeah, i if you ask me. >> yeah, i if you ask me. >> yeah, i agree with that. i think he is someone who who gave the choice to britain to vote to remain or stay within the european union. and that's something many brexiteers something which many brexiteers might thank for. his problem something which many brexiteers migihehank for. his problem something which many brexiteers migihe gotk for. his problem something which many brexiteers migihe got involved. his problem something which many brexiteers migihe got involved inis problem something which many brexiteers migihe got involved in the'oblem something which many brexiteers migihe got involved in the nittyn was he got involved in the nitty gritty of that fight. he didn't do what harold wilson did in the 70s and stay above it so he could then implement whatever

70s and stay above it so he cou people implement whatever 70s and stay above it so he cou people impleito nt whatever 70s and stay above it so he cou people impleito do whatever 70s and stay above it so he cou people impleito do instead, the people chose to do instead, he took sides and that was his big mistake, think, in big mistake, i think, in politics. he simply allowed, politics. had he simply allowed, say, george osborne, the chancellor run, chancellor at the time, to run, that he has that remain campaign, he has stood from it. that might stood back from it. that might have been better position. have been a better position. instead rushed the instead he kind of rushed the negotiation, didn't he? he gave himself till the end of 2017 to get that negotiation done. he got finished by february got it finished by february 2016. and then went for a june 2016. and then went for a june 2016 referendum, 18 months before he had to do it. 2016 referendum, 18 months before he had to do it . the deal before he had to do it. the deal he got was not good enough from angela merkel, the german chancellor, and history counterparts who the counterparts who left the european that's how he european union. that's how he might but he's might reflect on it. but he's back now with more to give. and i probably it's a i think that's probably it's a good thing the party. good thing for the tory party. it does a kind of a an it does provide a kind of a an older man in who can give more advice to the young team around rishi until now it's been rishi sunak until now it's been lord, lord hague. william hague has been seen as the person who mr relies on for advice, mr sunak relies on for advice, a kind grown up the room. kind of grown up in the room. that now be that person is now going to be david cameron. i wonder ifjames david cameron. i wonder if james cleverly wants this role and what i mean by that is it's a

very difficult position to have in government and it was in the summer and you have to have a short memory to forgive politicians, don't you? >> the phrase is that >> because the phrase is that they say very much come back and bite not bite them if they're not careful. >> fixes this >> if he if he fixes this problem of migration and the small boats, will put him small boats, it will be put him in coma , commanding position in a coma, commanding position to the leader of the to be the next leader of the tory party in couldn't tory party in a way he couldn't from being foreign secretary. >> the summer when there >> but in the summer when there was speculate that he might be moved place ben moved to defence in place of ben wallace, the he used was wallace, the phrase he used was he have to be dragged out he would have to be dragged out of this job with nail marks down the parquet flooring. he said that was how much being that was how much he liked being a in the is a foreign secretary in the uk is watching, prime watching, particularly the prime minister. want to minister. i very much want to stay very much want to stay put. i very much want to stay put. i very much want to stay secretary. it's stay as foreign secretary. it's a that i love. it's a it's a job that i love. it's a it's an important job. fast fonnard three months and he's got it anymore. >> check his nails. >> check his nails. >> but i wonder if he would want to want this job. as you say, it could a bit of a poisoned could be a bit of a poisoned chalice. got huge chalice. it's got huge responsibility with responsibility that comes with it. should we bring in our

guests? we're joined now by author emma author and broadcaster emma woolf former labour woolf and also former labour advisor to discuss, advisor matthew laza to discuss, let's laza, first of let's ask matthew laza, first of all, simon danczuk was here. >> you know simon well, >> you know simon very well, former labour mp. >> first simon when i was >> i first met simon when i was at school. >> andrew but at a young, a young socialist training event. very good showing my very good, very good showing my age you're showing but age you're showing your age, but he great for he said, this is great for laboun he said, this is great for labour. i think think labour. yeah, i think i think simon's absolutely i simon's absolutely right. i think appointment think the cameron appointment is extraordinary it plays extraordinary because it plays right into the hands of those who think that a rishi is out of touch, but b that he doesn't stick to what he said. how many weeks ago is it that we were told he was the change candidate and yet he's brought yet he's brought back, he's this blast from the past. and was just from the past. and i was just thinking, oh, this thinking, you know, oh, is this a clever masterstroke? of a clever masterstroke? some of the will be the people around rishi will be thinking like when gordon thinking it is like when gordon brown brought peter mandelson thinking it is like when gordon brow from jght peter mandelson thinking it is like when gordon brow from brussels.“ mandelson thinking it is like when gordon brow from brussels.“ mandeutn back from brussels. right. but that different because that was very different because peter represented, sense, peter represented, in a sense, the that the blairite faction, and that was all uniting the was all about uniting the blairites the brownites blairites and the brownites ending the wars of the tbs and the . cameron doesn't the gbs. cameron doesn't represent faction because if

represent any faction because if you're a pro—european, you're pretty mad at cameron for how he totally mishandled the referendum. if you're a referendum. and if you're a brexiteer, well, you know, you were on a different side of the argument anyway. >> but he he but you could >> but he but he but you could argue also , matthew, he he's argue also, matthew, he he's a class act. he was a he was he won he won two elections more than your lot have done for a very, very long time. >> well, he won one and a half. >> well, he won one and a half. >> one and a half. >> one and a half. >> yeah, he won. he won in a hung parliament. then he won with a clear majority. absolutely. and if the referendum had gone the other way, could have prime way, he he could have been prime minister very long time. minister for a very long time. >> absolutely. but it didn't. and i think that that's big >> absolutely. but it didn't. amean, ink that that's big >> absolutely. but it didn't. amean, i|k that that's big >> absolutely. but it didn't. amean, i thinkt that's big >> absolutely. but it didn't. amean, i think ithat's big >> absolutely. but it didn't. amean, i think it was; big >> absolutely. but it didn't. amean, i think it was suchbig i mean, i think it was such a miscalculation and also that he scarpered the scene. that was terrible. still a lot of there's a lot of still bitter a lot of people still bitter that he scarpered the scene in a sense, with sense, they ended up with theresa and you know, we theresa may. and you know, we know what's followed since as a consequence him departing so consequence of him departing so quickly. is quickly. the other thing is, is he have this issue with he did have all this issue with this guy that he worked for, this guy that he worked for, this financier, lex greensill. i

wonder your on wonder if your colleagues on fleet things fleet street have got things tucked that they may tucked away that maybe they may be publish about be pressing publish on about that did huge damage that he did himself huge damage just he was just to remind people he was lobbying ministers, lobbying government ministers, including rishi sunak, the chancellor, on behalf of a company subsequently went company which subsequently went bust. absolutely. having the bust. absolutely. having had the guy cabinet guy greensill in the cabinet office when he was prime minister, like he minister, which looked like he was appointment, was giving him an appointment, hadn't he warming him for hadn't he warming him up for when he left number 10? >> that will all come back. >> so that will all come back. emma, what do you think? david cameron talking about cameron we're not talking about suella we? so that's game. suella are we? so that's game. that's something for cameron suella are we? so that's game. that'sbutnething for cameron suella are we? so that's game. that'sbutmthink for cameron suella are we? so that's game. that'sbutmthink ityr cameron suella are we? so that's game. that'sbutmthink it comesron together. >> i think braverman out and cameron in is angering a lot on >> i think braverman out and canright. n is angering a lot on >> i think braverman out and canright. therengering a lot on >> i think braverman out and canright. there are'ing a lot on >> i think braverman out and canright. there are s0| a lot on >> i think braverman out and canright. there are so many on the right. there are so many brexiteers texting me this morning going that's it, voting reform. because instinctively of course she mishandled she's mishandled the week mishandled the past week it wasn't agree wasn't done. whether you agree with it wasn't done with her or not, it wasn't done the way a home secretary should have but but many, many have done it. but but many, many instinctively suella instinctively agreed with suella braverman. david braverman. now they have david cameron coming back. people are, you know, and this have you know, and this should have been should been sunak's moment. this should have moment of finally have been his moment of finally looking leader, looking a bit like a leader, making decisions instead , making decisions and instead, ed, matthew said, as simon ed, as matthew said, as simon has , is to play has said, this is going to play

really keir starmer. really well for keir starmer. >> has misread rishi sunak >> so has he misread rishi sunak or that david cameron is viewed by the majority of as by the majority of people as being west london being part of the west london liberal elite? >> indeed, notting very >> indeed, notting hill very socially , probably socially progressive, probably rather broad minded about immigration. >> he always was . and so it's >> he always was. and so it's going to backfire on him if what he wanted to do is to bring over people who might be voting for reform or labour. >> i think there's absolutely no doubt that sunak now on doubt that sunak is now on borrowed time. i don't think anyone can see him carrying on after this . after this. >> who does he who he >> who does he who does he appeal then? appeal to then? >> does he think? david >> who does he think? david cameron because was saying cameron because i was saying maybe conservative maybe it's those conservative voters he voters who liked him because he wasn't particularly controversial him wasn't particularly cora'oversial him wasn't particularly cora fairly al him wasn't particularly cora fairly safe him wasn't particularly cora fairly safe pair him wasn't particularly cora fairly safe pair of him wasn't particularly cora fairly safe pair of handsn as a fairly safe pair of hands back in government, a grown up that middle ground who were considering voting labour, who are but were are instinctively tory but were considering for sir keir starmer. >> yes. so yes, is going to >> yes. so yes, he is going to appeal that. but think that appeal to that. but i think that enough, obviously a reshuffle is chaotic by its very nature, but this rishi this doesn't look like rishi sunak's charge. really. sunak's in charge. really. >> think do you agree >> do you think do you agree with that? >> i think what's

>> well, i think i think what's really it's a big decision, isn't it? absolutely. well i think there was a story this morning that that the lib morning that the that the lib dems hoping to weaponise dems were hoping to weaponise suella she lingered suella if she if she lingered on against tories in the blue. against the tories in the blue. the blue wall. absolutely. and i think this the cameron think that this the cameron rather me looks like sunak's rather to me looks like sunak's given the red wall and is given up on the red wall and is now literally trying to shore up given up on the red wall and is no“ blue ally trying to shore up given up on the red wall and is no“ blue wall:rying to shore up given up on the red wall and is no“ blue wall because shore up given up on the red wall and is no“ blue wall because cameron the blue wall because cameron does posh seats does appeal to those posh seats in home counties, in the home counties, oxfordshire, berkshire, surrey. >> i think there is a sense if you talk to red wall tory mps, they pretty much know it's over. >> but is that going to be enough, matthew? is that. >> i don't think will be >> no, i don't think it will be him the line. absolutely. him over the line. absolutely. >> don't. >> no, i don't. >> no, i don't. >> other news? are way >> other news? labour are way ahead. doing ahead. labour are doing brilliantly in the latest polls. >> and other thing it's >> and the other thing is it's just tone deaf as sunak just it seems tone deaf as sunak because you're of those because if you're one of those voters in that blue wall, quite a people are a lot of those people are pro—europe. then they've got second homes in europe and a large number and large number of them, and they're still going to they're still not going to forgive the forgive cameron for the mishandling referendum. mishandling the referendum. i think brought haig think if they brought haig back, actually, christopher actually, i think christopher mentioned of mentioned that he's a sort of eminence grise to sunak that

would have sent out signal would have sent out a signal that, back a that, yes, i'm bringing back a liberal tory, but one who's got wider appeal. cameron seems to be about the democratic >> what about the democratic idea that we're having a foreign secretary operating house secretary operating in the house of not so. he can't be of lords? not so. he can't be challenged mps. challenged by elected mps. >> seem to me very >> that does seem to me very strange decision and hasn't strange decision and it hasn't been in by any of the been voted in by any of the lecturers. this lecturers. and people feel this about sunak already that he hasn't voted that hasn't been voted in, that they've been replaced and replaced. i think is replaced. and so i think this is only people saying general only people are saying general election now, now, yeah, but that come. that won't come. >> that is a that that is >> but that is a that that is going be what some people are going to be what some people are arguing. where the democracy, arguing. where is the democracy, democracy here because we elected able elected mps should be able to answer questions in yes in the house of commons and we haven't had foreign in had a foreign secretary in the house carrington house of lords since carrington resigned the falklands war. resigned over the falklands war. that the change that was 1982. so the change candidate, has turned candidate, matthew has turned the clock back. >> down erm 40 >> it's just down the erm in 40 years, 40 years, it doesn't look very modern, it doesn't look very modern, it doesn't look very of the very future looking of the trollop with prime minister trollop with the prime minister being house of and being in the house of lords and not being the house not being in the house of commons all, sure you commons at all, i'm sure you look fetching in his erm

look very fetching in his erm you mean and i mean he's you know, i mean and i mean he's been, mean the thing about him been, i mean the thing about him is he's not even been particularly involved in, in policy. there a story policy. i mean there was a story this morning that tony blair wants envoy in gaza. wants to be the envoy in gaza. he's been doing like he's not been doing things like he's been helping out at his local food bank. >> don't let tony blair >> please don't let tony blair be bookin his. >> he has tony blair, the envoy in gaza. was a middle east in gaza. he was a middle east peace envoy. it didn't very peace envoy. it didn't do very well peace envoy. it didn't do very welbut no, i mean, it certainly >> but no, i mean, it certainly it didn't make much of a difference. but he made no, he's the feet says that he's acceptable this acceptable to netanyahu this morning. but cameron was morning. but but cameron was just another of just that's another form of prime minister another form of prime minister coming back but on international on an international stage. but do you remember what's going to happen shed do you happen to cameron shed do you remember he had remember when he left? he had this in his garden. this £25,000 shed in his garden. maybe ebay. this £25,000 shed in his garden. manou ebay. this £25,000 shed in his garden. manou put ebay. this £25,000 shed in his garden. manou put the ebay. this £25,000 shed in his garden. manou put the trash. >> you put the trash. >> you put the trash. >> but i the thing >> but i think the worst thing about garden shed, it was a about that garden shed, it was a gypsy about that garden shed, it was a gypsy caravan, fact that gypsy caravan, was the fact that it photographed. he got it it was photographed. he got it for though did for free even though it was. did he didn't. >> he is an influencer and wrote he didn't. >> he that influencer and wrote he didn't. >> he that reallyencer and wrote he didn't. >> he that really didn'tnd wrote he didn't. >> he that really didn't sellirote a book that really didn't sell book. it's very heavily remained. >> i would like to know what samantha this samantha cameron thinks of this this morning because didn't this morning because she didn't really hold back on the fact

that quite when that she was quite happy when he left. the weekend left. she spent the weekend looking dresses website looking on her dresses website deciding very deciding because she's done very well, they're bit well, they decided they're a bit too expensive, actually. >> so fashion hasn't >> so her fashion company hasn't done do well. they done well. i don't do well. they have keeps having have have keeps having to have injections it's injections of cash in it. it's very make. might injections of cash in it. it's vernice make. might injections of cash in it. it's vernice clothes, make. might injections of cash in it. it's vernice clothes, butze. might injections of cash in it. it's vernice clothes, but it's might injections of cash in it. it's vernice clothes, but it's very ht be nice clothes, but it's very difficult make labels work. >> so let's just recap people who are joining. joining us now >> so let's just recap people who areon ning. joining us now >> so let's just recap people who areon mondayning us now >> so let's just recap people who areon monday morning,ow at 1034 on monday morning, what's we thought what's happened? well we thought we to come on air we were going to come on air this morning and about the this morning and talk about the fact mark fact that maybe mark rowley might about might have resigned about as the police weekend. thank police over the weekend. thank you. hasn't happened. you. that hasn't happened. what's morning what's happened is this morning rishi announced that rishi sunak has announced that he the home secretary he has sacked the home secretary suella braverman. if we suella braverman. why? if we look back on what's happened in the last, well, 2 to 3 weeks, actually, she made the statement about choosing about homeless people choosing that as a lifestyle option that was controversial. she then wrote the very controversial piece in the times which criticised the met police, saying that they handled right wing protesters more harshly than they handle wing than they handle left wing protestors. yesterday on protestors. we saw yesterday on saturday at weekend , saturday at the weekend, protests over the weekend, large

the palestinian pro—palestinian march was largely peaceful. there was some different anti—semitism, disgraceful anti—semitism, disgraceful anti—semitism and anti—semitism. but the violence came from those people who are being described as far right . people who are being described as far right. and some of them absolutely were. they were just good old fashioned football hooligan, racist that caused problems outside of 10 downing street that is possibly what's done for suella this morning because rishi sunak will say your the newspaper your article in the newspaper fed that hate you . you caused fed that hate you. you caused that division . and so she's gone that division. and so she's gone and she's been replaced by james cleverly, who's moved from foreign secretary to home secretary and the jaw dropper. >> david cameron yes , you heard >> david cameron yes, you heard it. david cameron is back in government as foreign secretary having flounced out of number 10 after losing brexit. we're going now to chris hope in number 10, our political editor to update us.chns our political editor to update us. chris andrew and bev. >> that's right. really not since bobby ewing woke up after a shower and had and dreamt all

of what happened in dallas back in the 80s. have we seen a bigger comeback than this one? sadly, for david cameron hasn't been a dream. britain has left the lots of the european union and lots of complicated things happening on the david the world stage. but david cameron few minutes cameron is back. a few minutes ago number 10 where he ago he left number 10 where he resigned from. forget, resigned from. don't forget, back in 2016, can walk back in june 2016, he can walk through gates next to me through these gates next to me here, back to his new desk in king charles street in the foreign office. now the foreign office. he is now the new secretary, the new foreign secretary, the foreign is now the new foreign secretary is now the new hew home, new home secretary james left by by james cleverly. he's left by by vehicle about an hour ago by the pearly gates at the end of downing street. gone to the downing street. he's gone to the home to work on what on home office to work on what on earth to do about the rwanda plan, supreme court plan, whether the supreme court will that to will rule, whether that plan to process applications to process migrants applications to stay here arrive stay here if they arrive illegally rwanda , if that's illegally in rwanda, if that's legal not. we'll find that on legal or not. we'll find that on on wednesday. longer term, he's looking net migration looking at the net migration figures we'll figures next week when we'll expect probably hundreds expect to see probably hundreds of thousands have of thousands of people have arrived legally on the arrived here legally on the government's and how to government's watch and how to defend that. that's what's happened suella happened so far. suella braverman left government. braverman has left government. she sacked by prime

she was sacked by prime minister. number 10 so far has said this reshuffle will give the united team to deliver the pm a united team to deliver the pm a united team to deliver the change this country needs for the long term. that word united is so important because clearly, as you've been saying on air there bev and andrew suella as suella braverman was not seen as being united way behaved being united the way she behaved last that unsigned off last week with that unsigned off times article which did much times article which did so much damage government in the damage to the government in the run armistice day run up to armistice day commemorations and many would say or have said contributed to some of the problems on the streets. certainly that's been claimed by sadiq khan, the mayor of in of london. elsewhere in government, o'brien, the government, neil o'brien, the senior health minister. he's left government, as has nick gibb, the schools minister. minister, so the drama is not over yet. and behind me , theresa over yet. and behind me, theresa coffey has walked up to the front door and gone inside. now thatis front door and gone inside. now that is many of us scratching our heads because she had been tipped as someone on the way out of government. normally, if you're sacked, the pm is a nice person. he does it behind the scenes in parliament, not through the front door. we through the front door. so we don't here. we're don't know why she's here. we're trying to find out she going

trying to find out is she going to there a new trying to find out is she going to we there a new trying to find out is she going to we think there a new trying to find out is she going to we think thoughlere a new trying to find out is she going to we think though thata new role? we think though that another of big moves another one of these big moves that happen is jeremy another one of these big moves that who happen is jeremy another one of these big moves that who h callln is jeremy another one of these big moves that who h call the jeremy another one of these big moves that who h call the accidental hunt, who i call the accidental chancellor, chancellor chancellor, made chancellor by liz in september last liz truss in september last yean liz truss in september last year, kept on by by rishi sunak. he staying where he is. he's got a lot of work to do, not least because the autumn statement is due wednesday, due out next wednesday, wednesday, and then wednesday, next week and then the statement. the budget the spring statement. the budget in staying where in march. so he's staying where he we know. but he is as far as we know. but this nowhere near over yet. this is nowhere near over yet. but the big headline there is suella out cleverly suella braverman out cleverly over and over the home office and amazingly in the foreign office . amazingly in the foreign office. david cameron is back. >> chris, what is the point? jake jacob rees—mogg's made and emma saying all emma woolf was saying it's all over lot of over social media. a lot of tories saying that's it, now i'm done with conservative done with the conservative party. cameron, arch party. david cameron, the arch remainer in the cabinet. remainer back in the cabinet. it's too much. we're we're off to reform uk . to reform uk. >> i think that is a very good point to make. >> reform uk polling around seven points, nine points in the polls don't forget, look at those two big byelections . just those two big byelections. just i think, gosh, earlier this

month wasn't just about in month it wasn't it just about in mid bev turner and tamworth , the mid bev turner and tamworth, the votes that were won by the reform candidate on the on the right the tory party, had right of the tory party, had those votes gone to the tory party, tories have party, the tories would have claimed both those seats. so bringing does bringing in david cameron does bnngin bringing in david cameron does bring in an adult into the room, does allow a bit more grown ups, some more experience in mr sunak's team. he's of course 20 years younger that mr sunak than david cameron, who's nearly 60. but it doesn't answer the key question of these kind of right wing policies , tax cutting wing policies, tax cutting measures, which will prove to the right of the party and that's what suella braverman gave the cover for, for rishi sunak the fact she's gone, as articulated by jacob rees—mogg on gb news is a problem and an unresolved issue for rishi sunak. >> all right. that's chris hope. have we got matthew laza with a former labour adviser? what do you think nigel farage might be saying as he is just about to go into the jungle and out of view for a few? i mean, have they got

this reshuffle done just in time? because i can imagine his will explosion from will hear the explosion from down under. >> absolutely. i mean, i think i think in a sense, nigel is going to be it's going to give nigel a bit of a boost before he goes into the jungle, because as you say, this is not just labour that hopeful to benefit that is hopeful hope to benefit from but it also reform from this, but it also reform because clearly the cameron effect toxic those effect will be toxic to those who on the edge, who are who are on the edge, who are teetering, who thought they'd had enough what's going on in had enough of what's going on in inside the tory party. and this will the final because will be the final straw because this you know, is this is, you know, this is clearly as they would clearly a victory as they would see it for the left of the tory party, for the for the pro—european wing, even if they've had to quieten down their love of europe . their love of europe. >> i'm just i've just got what their love of europe. >> saidjust i've just got what their love of europe. >> said about/e just got what their love of europe. >> said about ukip,: got what their love of europe. >> said about ukip, which 'hat their love of europe. >> said about ukip, which was he said about ukip, which was led by nigel nigel farage. he described them as fruitcakes, loonies races that loonies and closet races that will come back to haunt him because people like me are not going to stop reminding him that he was a lot he said that. and that was a lot of us who voted for brexit in 2016. of that? 2016. well, which bit of that? because meet. i'm because you can't meet. i'm not beenin

because you can't meet. i'm not been in the closet for years. >> exactly. might be alone. >> exactly. you might be alone. >> exactly. you might be alone. >> almost as though >> yeah, it's almost as though the braverman wouldn't the braverman sacking wouldn't quite enough. but quite have been enough. but cameron back going quite have been enough. but ca push] back going quite have been enough. but ca push people back going quite have been enough. but ca push people over:k going quite have been enough. but ca push people over the going quite have been enough. but ca push people over the edge.ing to push people over the edge. and i think is brilliant and i think this is brilliant for give so for nigel. it'll give him so much to about the much to talk about in the jungle. hold fourth jungle. really? hold fourth on. i he was going i mean, i thought he was going to anyway, i think this to win anyway, but i think this is to be absolutely is going to be absolutely brilliant for his, what it? brilliant for his, what is it? million, half pounds. >> i think the more i consider events of this since we events of this morning since we came air at 930, it's the came on air at 930, it's the lack of democracy at work here. he's brought in a non—elected politician . politician. >> it's one of the great he won't even say it. >> who won't even sit in the democratic chamber into one of the great offices of state home office, treasury, prime minister foreign secretary. >> they are the great offices of state. >> absolutely. and interestingly, they're now all occupied and all occupied by men again and all occupied by men again and all occupied by men again and all occupied by schoolboys. occupied by public schoolboys. >> time. and another >> very good time. and another time is on fire when the foreign secretary very key appointment. >> very appointment the >> very key appointment at the moment, particularly at the moment, particularly at the moment, course, deaf moment, of course, in is deaf isn't he. >> in in but you would if he

>> but in in but you would if he was here sooner he would say but cameron brings to the job enormous experience, more experience sunak so experience than sunak has so ironic about ironic that we're talking about and repeatedly ironic that we're talking about and morning repeatedly ironic that we're talking about and morning we're peatedly ironic that we're talking about and morning we're talkingy ironic that we're talking about and morning we're talking about this morning we're talking about david cameron as the adult in the room, this man who's got the experience, the room, this man who's got the expbutnce, the room, this man who's got the expbut what does it tell you >> but what does it tell you about the cabinet? >> tell about the cabinet. >> tell us about the cabinet. >> tell us about the cabinet. >> what does it tell us about politics general? politics in general? >> i mean, asked people, >> i mean, asked most people, namely six cabinet ministers, they'd struggle to the transport secretary walked in this building . people wouldn't know building. people wouldn't know who think. and we who he is, i think. and we should transport should because the transport situation in utter chaos, i think. >> yeah, exactly. and i think most people be to most people would be able to name suella braverman right now in country . in the country. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> they'd picture >> and they'd know her picture and all sunak's and having all those sunak's lack as well as his lack of judgement as well as his lack of judgement as well as his lack of judgement as well as his lack of leadership authority lack of leadership and authority and nuance about the way lack of leadership and authority and mood nuance about the way lack of leadership and authority and mood in jance about the way lack of leadership and authority and mood in the:e about the way lack of leadership and authority and mood in the country the way lack of leadership and authority and mood in the country is e way lack of leadership and authority and mood in the country is atvay the mood in the country is at the mood in the country is at the moment and how and how and how look and appeal to how you look and appeal to modern how you look and appeal to mo son how you look and appeal to mo so i was expecting penny >> so i was expecting penny mordaunt would get promoted because she's on the left of the party, but said, but at least she talks human. andrew, doesn't she? she does. has an appeal

she? she does. she has an appeal that cuts way beyond. >> i can't stand her personally . >> i can't stand her personally. i can't stand and i don't i can't stand her and i don't say that about many women. >> my, problem was when >> my, my problem was, was when she said in the commons she talked referred to pregnant people , no love, they're women. people, no love, they're women. let's get back to chris hope we got more news. >> chris, good morning. >> chris, good morning. >> are there? chris, tell us >> are you there? chris, tell us tell what the latest is. tell us what the latest is. there might be people just tuning now. what's tuning in right now. what's going on? >> hello? >> hello? >> more, new moves at the >> more, more new moves at the department for health. where will minister will quince, a senior minister of has stood down as of state, has stood down as a health minister. so which means that the two jobs now going in the department, neil the health department, neil o'brien and will quince have gone ? will quince surprise gone? will quince no surprise he's leaving politics the next election. now wants try election. he now wants to try and he, how he and work out how he, how he finds transition into the finds a transition into the private sector . bev's point private sector. bev's point there i think really well made about the point about a lack of democratic sir democratic accountability. sir michael fabricant, a founder of gb news, has been texting me saying is no one pointing out that although he'll bring heft to problem with to the role, the problem with david is that of course,

david cameron is that of course, he can't answer questions in the house can't house of commons. he can't answer , he can't do answer statements, he can't do urgent questions, demanded by laboun urgent questions, demanded by labour, say, on israel or or or the hamas issues there. he can't be democratically accountable to members of parliament only in the house of lords can he do that. and number two will do it for him in the commons. is that idea of democratic accountability beth raised accountability that beth raised is and is exercising is a big one and is exercising mps my whatsapp. mps right now on my whatsapp. but we have we have heard for the first time from david cameron, said that he's cameron, he has said that he's hoping time prime hoping that his time as prime minister can be minister for six years can be used support rishi sunak in minister for six years can be usein support rishi sunak in minister for six years can be usein hisupport rishi sunak in minister for six years can be usein his timet rishi sunak in minister for six years can be usein his time asishi sunak in minister for six years can be usein his time as primeinak in his in his time as prime minister. he says he's been out of frontline for seven of frontline politics for seven years, he hopes his years, but he hopes his experience, both pm and tory experience, both as pm and tory leader for 11 years, will assist him in helping the pm with these vital changes , he says. indeed, vital changes, he says. indeed, on the issue of brexit, he says, although i may have agreed with some individuals decisions, it's clear that smith sunak is clear to me that smith sunak is a strong, capable minister a strong, capable prime minister that forget to that goes back. don't forget to two three ago.

two weeks ago, three weeks ago. andrew the pm put out a andrew and bev the pm put out a statement saying he disapproved of the decision to axe hs2 . now of the decision to axe hs2. now that was a big that was a big moment for him. he didn't really step first time. i think step in the first time. i think he stepped in into frontline politics was that decision he stepped in into frontline politic by/as that decision he stepped in into frontline politic by mr that decision he stepped in into frontline politic by mr sunakthat decision he stepped in into frontline politic by mr sunak att decision he stepped in into frontline politic by mr sunak at thecision he stepped in into frontline politic by mr sunak at the party made by mr sunak at the party conference in earlier in october. that he's october. so the fact that he's now may disagree , but now saying, i may disagree, but i'm shows that, i'm moving on shows that, you know he's now back in politics know, he's now back in politics when all decisions are made by the cabinet. >> so that's renault zoe. i've got interesting poll got a really interesting poll here. sent to by here. just been sent to me by savanta. poll savanta. now, they did a poll around of the tory around the time of the tory conference on the favorability and popularity of guess what, former . oh, former conservative leaders. oh, dean former conservative leaders. oh, dear. should have former conservative leaders. oh, dear. this should have former conservative leaders. oh, dear. this poll. should have former conservative leaders. oh, dear. this poll. 24%uld have former conservative leaders. oh, dear. this poll. 24% of! have former conservative leaders. oh, dear. this poll. 24% of british seen this poll. 24% of british adults feel favourably towards david cameron, 45% unfavourable. that isn't great. >> he's tone deaf and that's what he's been off our tv screens for seven years. >> yeah, the most of those seven years. so i mean, there are a couple of things about cameron, one of which is his reputation was being pretty chillaxed was for being pretty chillaxed do remember the sort of, you do you remember the sort of, you know, nights you used to

know, the dvd nights you used to have date, same prime have this date, same as prime minister? who minister? i know somebody who knows well. >> head of press for >> former head of press for cameron giles kenningham >> former head of press for ca|now.1 giles kenningham >> former head of press for ca|now. goods kenningham >> former head of press for ca|now. good morning,ham >> former head of press for ca|now. good morning, giles. us now. good morning, giles. thank you so much for elucidating this situation for us. do you have any idea how long this has been bubbling away in for? no idea whatsoever. >> i do know that , um, cameron >> i do know that, um, cameron always i think , wanted a role in always i think, wanted a role in pubuc always i think, wanted a role in public life, wanted to come back . obviously it was very difficult with the brexit referendum, incredibly referendum, which was incredibly polarising but polarising and divisive, but actually i think he'll add a lot to public life . you know, he was to public life. you know, he was prime minister for years. prime minister for six years. he's weight of experience. he's got a weight of experience. he's got a weight of experience. he see many of the problems he will see many of the problems which rishi has been dealing with and some extent can with and to some extent can perform the role that william hague when william hague did for him when william hague did for him when william hague secretary and hague was foreign secretary and cameron minister he'd cameron was prime minister he'd been leader and was a wise been tory leader and was a wise person to have around the table. wise counsel. so i think will wise counsel. so i think it will overall benefit the government. he will be loyal lieutenant. overall benefit the government. he iknowz loyal lieutenant. overall benefit the government. he iknow , loyal lieutenant. overall benefit the government. he iknow , he's'al lieutenant. overall benefit the government. he iknow , he's done utenant. overall benefit the government. he iknow , he's done uterjob. he you know, he's done the job. he won't seeking it again. won't be seeking it again. so yeah, course, ruffled some yeah, of course, ruffled some feathers. some won't be feathers. some people won't be happy that's politics, happy. that's politics, that's life. think the grand

life. but i think in the grand scheme of things, he adds a lot of heft, a lot of experience, a lot gravitas to the tory brand. >> so how does help in the >> so how does that help in the red where they voted for red wall where they voted for brexit and david brexit and they saw david cameron architect st cameron as the architect st giles' fear and the giles' of project fear and the botched negotiation, who then cleared off when it all went wrong for him . wrong for him. >> well, i think, andrew, to your point, brexit's been done. i think that won't be on the ballot paper the next ballot paper at the next election he accepts it's a election when he accepts it's a settled and accepts settled issue and accepts that, you sunak is the leader on you know, sunak is the leader on it. remember, sunak a brexit it. remember, sunak was a brexit year you know, all things year and, you know, all things brexit will come from him . brexit will come from him. >> i tell you who won't like this? anybody that likes this? giles anybody that likes the concept of democracy, where we have voted politicians into those positions as our representatives, they then get hand—picked to become part of the cabinet. cameron hasn't been voted for by anybody for years . voted for by anybody for years. so i mean, is that not a bit embarrassing for him ? embarrassing for him? >> well, look, there is precedent for this labour

brought back peter mandelson. he was made a lord then business secretary in the past . i think, secretary in the past. i think, you know, no system is perfect. of course you can make that argument. i think quid pro quo that you are getting is that what you are getting is someone a experience someone with a lot of experience . someone with a lot of experience , intellectual brain , a huge intellectual brain around the someone who around the table, someone who does believe in public service. and i think he'll put his elbow to the wheel and has got britain's interests at heart. >> but rishi sunak hasn't even been voted for by the electorate . he wasn't even voted in by the members of the conservative party. so we've got to key people been people now that have been parachute ated into those roles. we general election now, we need a general election now, don't we? >> giles it's going to >> giles it's not going to happen. up. happen. they never give up. >> be getting >> well, you'll be getting i think you'll be getting soon. >> only got a year wait. >> is it going to be a year? >> is it going to be a year? >> you know, i have to go on. >> you know, i have to go on. >> i mean, we've got what happens. you see, everybody thinks it'll be october, november, because prime ministers never willingly give up but say they up office. but just say they wait . they go. they wait. that wait. they go. they wait. that long. giles and what if it's a mild summer and the boats come? cassell wading across the channel cassell wading across the channel, making a mockery of

rishi's pledge to stop the boats. isn't that why he could possibly go earlier, april or may and bring this sorry affair to an end ? to an end? >> yeah. look, he possibly could go early. i suspect he'll go long because he'll want the economy to turn around and hope there's a reversal of fortunes . there's a reversal of fortunes. and let's bear in mind, i think keir starmer is still untested . keir starmer is still untested. he's not particularly great. he's not particularly great. he's not particularly great. he's not agile in his feet. and maybe actually, there a maybe actually, if there was a long election campaign, he may unravel, he may be found wanting. go wanting. so i suspect they'll go the full distance, full five the full distance, the full five years the full distance, the full five yea charles, want to the full distance, the full five yeacharles, want to know this >> charles, i want to know this and with me. are you and be honest with me. are you going for cameron going to work for david cameron again? are you already doing it this are going this morning? are you going back? the foreign back? nice job in the foreign office. nice view of whitehall. >> no, no, no . my time is done. >> no, no, no. my time is done. it's a great privilege to do those i won't be going those jobs. but i won't be going back. >> absolutely convinced >> you're absolutely convinced of he calls you? of that. what if he calls you? what comes? i've got what if the call comes? i've got jobs. foreign what if the call comes? i've got jobs. on foreign what if the call comes? i've got jobs. on the foreign what if the call comes? i've got jobs. on the linelign what if the call comes? i've got jobs. on the line .]n secretary on the line. >> i will not be going back. but why not? >> why not? is he a difficult

boss? no, not at all. >> just, you know, been there, done that. >> and so's david cameron. so david cameron , he's been there, david cameron, he's been there, done that, and he's getting back. >> yes , he has. >> yes, he has. >> yes, he has. >> but no, look, i think he'll be i think he'll be a great addition. >> i think he's going to be very much in the public eye in this role. do you think he's going to be wheeled out for all the interviews, all the media, try and everybody over again? and win everybody over again? >> i look, will use and win everybody over again? >> ibecause ok, will use and win everybody over again? >> ibecause he will use and win everybody over again? >> ibecause he is will use and win everybody over again? >> ibecause he is a will use and win everybody over again? >> ibecause he is a very use him because he is a very competent he's very adept media performer . um, so i competent he's very adept media performer. um, so i think you probably will see him out a fair bit on the on the ainnaves, you know, perhaps even on a great establishment like gb news, if you're lucky. >> well, he's always welcome on gb news giles as are you, of course. >> that's giles kenningham, former of for david former head of press for david cameron. still got our cameron. we've still got our panel matthew he's got a panel here. matthew he's got a point, though, hasn't he? giles your bloke keir starmer. he's not great, is he ? not great, is he? >> i think he's doing a great job. >> come on. come on. >> come on. come on. >> his own ratings are in negative territory, and the only

reason the conservatives, they' re reason the conservatives, they're so far ahead in the polls because the polls is because the conservatives made such conservatives have made such a mess about everything mess of just about everything this mess of just about everything thijso mess of just about everything thi:so they've certainly >> so they've certainly maintained that position. do you think he growing into the role? >> is he a great speaker? no has he got a weird voice? yes. what does stand what does he does he stand for? what does he for? think he stands very >> uh, i think he stands very clearly for mainstream and for mainstream labour which mainstream labour values, which is for the of is why he stood for the sort of cliches why would die. cliches that why would die. >> he stood for mainstream values. can you. all right. that's called matthew. that's what are the five pledges that keir starmer came up with earlier in the year. >> they're not just pledges, they're mission. >> right? >> right? >> what are the five missions to do? stop the they are not do? stop the boats? they are not to stop the boats that they should be one of them. and i would them, want you would advise them, we want you to they have five missions. >> top of my head. remember when i we used to i worked for ed, we used to write them. they went over when i worked for ed miliband. >> them on our hands. >> yeah, yeah, exactly. >> yeah, yeah, exactly. >> because the thing is, they was on payroll. the thing

was on the payroll. the thing is, you know, they is, matthew, you know, they were wishy washy waffle. is, matthew, you know, they were wis look, shy waffle. is, matthew, you know, they were wis look, i'm,vaffle. is, matthew, you know, they were wis look, i'm, i'm.e. is, matthew, you know, they were wis look, i'm, i'm slightly think >> look, i'm, i'm slightly think the pledges been the five pledges thing has been overdone for all parties. if somebody the not somebody was there when the not responsible for but was there when denied the when the ed was denied the headstone above my pay headstone it was above my pay denied pay grade. was denied the my pay grade. it was to that five to tell you that the five pledges blair. i pledges worked for blair. i think been done think it's been there, done that. that they've that. i think that they've there's law diminishing returns. >> there was card >> and there was a pledge card was carry it around in was used to carry it around in our wallet as these keen little headstone. >> there a headstone was it >> there was a headstone was it was underestimated people's attention less now than attention span is less now than it social media bullet points >> social media bullet points also whatever about also whatever you say about starmer, isn't tony blair. starmer, he isn't tony blair. >> no, he's not tony blair. and in ways that's that's a in some ways that's that's a that's a negative. but that's that's a negative. but blair was exciting, radical. >> and by landslide. blair was exciting, radical. >> well, by landslide. blair was exciting, radical. >> well, winning andslide. blair was exciting, radical. >> well, winning byislide. blair was exciting, radical. >> well, winning by aide. >> well, he's winning by a landslide. you know, we may landslide. but you know, we may come on this morning to discuss how like keir set to how it looks like keir set to win by an bigger landslide. win by an even bigger landslide. >> think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> had and hope, and i've >> i had hair and hope, and i've still hope. the hair's >> i had hair and hope, and i've still what)e. the hair's >> i had hair and hope, and i've still what do the hair's >> i had hair and hope, and i've still what do youthe hair's >> i had hair and hope, and i've still what do you think|ir's >> i had hair and hope, and i've still what do you think keir gone. what do you think keir starmer is right now? starmer is doing right now? >> emma, this is what, apart from good morning. >> welcome come on. >> you're welcome to come on. sophia also, even though i think you're if

you're boring pledges, if pledges mean nothing, don't make pledges. >> getting married. pledges. >> pledge getting married. pledges. >> pledge gesomebody ed. pledges. >> pledge gesomebody at. pledges. >> pledge gesomebody at the you pledge to somebody at the altar. the pledges. altar. don't make the pledges. then don't carve them on a gravestone on a on a headstone or any of that. >> well, course, it's not >> well, of course, it's not going to meet pledges. going to meet his five pledges. >> right now to >> i would die right now to be a fly on the wall in starmer's bunker. must be not only bunker. he must be not only rubbing his hands, but also just the of the excitement, the thrill of watching apart. watching this all fall apart. >> yet when you that, >> and yet when you say that, what he's not going >> and yet when you say that, wimake he's not going >> and yet when you say that, wimake anything he's not going >> and yet when you say that, wimake anything of's not going >> and yet when you say that, wimake anything of it.1ot going >> and yet when you say that, wimake anything of it. thisoing >> and yet when you say that, wimake anything of it. this isrg to make anything of it. this is the he's going to the problem with he's going to keep the problem with he's going to kee he gets lobbied. >> he gets lobbied. >> he gets lobbied. >> these really easy balls and he them back any he fails to hit them back in any meaningful way. well, i mean, i think that's a bit harsh. >> i think quite well >> i think he did quite well this week on suella. i think he >> i think he did quite well thi made: on suella. i think he >> i think he did quite well thi made somejella. i think he >> i think he did quite well thi made somejella. some( he >> i think he did quite well thi made somejella. some some he made some some some some some. could you could see some. you could you could see you questions, though. >> are yeah. >> they are court yeah. >> they are court yeah. >> i mean, now they'll all be about cameron they'll be about cameron they'll all be about cameron they'll all be about cameron they'll all be about cameron back about about cameron coming back and that's, and that's and that, but that's, that's that's a job that's for rishi that's a job done a sense short done in a sense short term. >> absolutely we're all >> absolutely a day. we're all talking cameron and talking about cameron and we're not fact he's not talking about the fact he's sacked a home secretary. he's very with of our very popular with lots of our viewers and listeners. >> that's why they've >> and that's that's why they've done they've done it done it. so they've done it for short headlines because

short term headlines because it's day it's a distraction, a good day to bury bad. i mean, it's a good way burying news. but in way of burying bad news. but in the i want to stick up the old spin, i want to stick up for cleverly, too. >> i've known cleverly a long time. be a good home time. he'll be a good home secretary he. he'll he secretary he. he'll be. he won't. need to won't. he won't see the need to do court headlines. do is to court headlines. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> he be doing suella >> absolutely. >> idoing, be doing suella >> absolutely. >> idoing, which ioing suella >> absolutely. >> idoing, which ioirputting suella was doing, which is putting he's basically just putting red flags out there for the red meat it out there for the red meat as it was there tory was out there for the tory leadership was out there for the tory lea could j was out there for the tory lea could) she of >> could she she sort of couldn't help herself. >> were speculating, couldn't help herself. >> we, were speculating, couldn't help herself. >> we, whetherzculating, couldn't help herself. >> we, whether sheiting, couldn't help herself. >> we, whether she was, weren't we, whether she was intending fired? intending to get fired? >> was deliberate chapter >> was this a deliberate chapter on emma? was on the backbenches, emma? was this mastered on the backbenches, emma? was this here mastered on the backbenches, emma? was this here the mastered on the backbenches, emma? was this here the altar|stered on the backbenches, emma? was this here the altar ofzred herself here on the altar of strong borders. >> yeah. and the past week. >> yeah. and over the past week. well, of weeks, well, a couple of weeks, actually. she has more and actually. she has been more and more incendiary . it was more incendiary. and it was almost goading rishi sunak to do something. and this is something. yeah, and this is what he's done. but i mean, i think he was going to do it anyway. >> i think it was about time to look the headlines. >> least three >> there were at least three headunes >> there were at least three headlines morning headlines yesterday morning saying looked saying sack her now. he looked so weak and yet he doesn't i because i'd said on a on a trail for the programme say no to the

reshuffle won't be today. >> so that was rather embarrassing but somebody saw it and sent me a message saying no, it today because he it will be today because he can't her to resign. and can't allow her to resign. and if goes wrong the if rwanda goes wrong in the supreme court, and let's be honest, will hate honest, the judges will hate rwanda. will. if rwanda. of course they will. if it goes wrong, she resigns a it goes wrong, she resigns on a point then point of principle. he's then denied chance to sack her, denied the chance to sack her, and wants be seen to be and he wants to be seen to be tough sack her. the tough to sack her. so the reshuffle has to be today. >> just said >> and andrew, you just said that, it's a that, you know, it's a distraction that the appointment of is to detract from or of cameron is to detract from or to distract from. >> genuinely >> well, i think he genuinely thinks be, but i think thinks it will be, but i think they cancel each other out. >> i think people are as angry. i adds the i think it adds fuel to the fire. they are angry about fire. they are as angry about braverman being sacked as they are coming in. are about cameron coming in. it's a double whammy. >> newspaper would >> well, my newspaper would certainly be more damaging because think was because we think she was speaking the language of ordinary also, another >> but she also, on another level, you a heritage level, you take a asian heritage woman position. you woman from a high position. you put in any old white male. etonian. he's not old, but etonian. he's not that old, but what does that us? what does that tell us? >> think the optics are >> i think the optics are terrible. i mean, ijust don't know how you can get away with having white middle

having think of white middle class educated class, privately school educated men now in sunaks cabinet. >> well, don't you worry. >> well, don't you worry. >> it'll be in the daily mail. >> it'll be in the daily mail. >> it'll be in the daily mail. >> i want to talk about kemi. >> i want to talk about kemi. >> kemi going well? the reshuffle. we don't know what's happening with the reshuffle. how it's going to. happening with the reshuffle. hovcoffee's it's going to. happening with the reshuffle. hovcoffee's beens going to. happening with the reshuffle. hovcoffee's beens gthere:o. happening with the reshuffle. hovcoffee's beens gthere a long time. >> clearly. >> clearly. >> maybe. >> maybe. >> maybe. >> maybe she's. maybe she is not accepting her fate. yeah, because you because that does happen. you know what it's like. >> turn down >> sometimes people turn down jobs think that's jobs if they don't think that's why done with with why the deal was done with with james cleverly. >> yesterday . so when >> definitely yesterday. so when he to the cenotaph with he walked to the cenotaph with his foreign secretary, his wreath as foreign secretary, who was he standing next to? the home secretary suella braverman , home secretary suella braverman, in their last joint function together, did realise that together, did she realise that in a few hours he taking her job? >> there's fireworks last night and thought somebody and i thought it was somebody leaving that's not leaving number 10. no that's not a cabinet minister. >> recognise him. that's >> i don't recognise him. that's a with umbrella. a man with an umbrella. >> you let's just >> what do you so let's just think this, coffey think about this, theresa coffey because next because this might be the next bit of news that breaks this morning. watching. morning. people are watching. i think people do care because what interested in is not what i'm interested in is not that she loses her position that she loses her her position as for the environment, food and rural affairs , but what do they

rural affairs, but what do they do with her? >> her on the backbenches. >> put her on the backbenches. she for not she should pay a price for not getting grips with that getting to grips with that appalling water. appalling issue of water. companies wilfully putting sewage into our watennays because it was easy for them to get a fine then to deal with those sewage problems which the lib huge pay off lib dems are making huge pay off in the blue wall and it's and it's for the tories it's been chaotic for the tories and rightly so. and where was she this? no where she should and rightly so. and where was she been,? no where she should and rightly so. and where was she been, i no where she should and rightly so. and where was she been, i think. ere she should have been, i think. >> solve those water pipes? >> kyrees coffee. i think that she has been unpopular ever since wishy washy , unpopular. >> she also truss's deputy. >> she was also truss's deputy. yeah, exactly. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and she of trust. >> and she of trust. >> yeah. i hate to say it, >> yeah. and i hate to say it, but she was an unlikely looking health secretary. >> i'm, that's >> that's what i'm, that's what i because i was going to say because i stopped. >> because she was an unlikely stopped. >> beciwellshe was an unlikely stopped. >> beciwell shewas an unlikely stopped. >> beciwell she smoked|nlikely ambassador. >> she smoked. she smoked cigars and stay active and and she likes to stay active and don't don't drink. and she likes to stay active and dorand don't drink. and she likes to stay active and dorand she'sdon't drink. and she likes to stay active and dorand she's very drink. and she likes to stay active and dorand she's very ovenneight. >> and she's very ovenneight. and that a look for and that is not a great look for somebody when we've got somebody who's when we've got obesity the biggest problem obesity as the biggest problem in sure. in our nhs, i'm not sure. >> sure all the men >> i'm not sure all the men who've ever held role of who've ever held the role of health minister were exactly

images and a cigar. >> and i used to . i so used to >> and i used to. i so used to enjoy lunch and it didn't look. the was out before we'd the cigar was out before we'd had start. had our start. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> he was great man. he'd have >> he was a great man. he'd have lunch with ken clarke and he'd say, have at lunch with ken clarke and he'd say, bar? have at lunch with ken clarke and he'd say,bar? first have at lunch with ken clarke and he'd say,bar? first he'd at lunch with ken clarke and he'd say,bar? first he'd have at lunch with ken clarke and he'd say,bar? first he'd have three the bar? first he'd have three pints of beer i fall over pints of beer and i fall over after half. no, those were the days, i think . days, i think. >> look, what are the papers going make of this tomorrow? going to make of this tomorrow? this worth this is this is worth considering. looks considering. i think it looks a little bit like, you know, in a soap opera is running out of popularity brings back popularity and it brings back a character from the dead like cindy from eastenders got brought because they brought back because they weren't what else. weren't quite sure what else. >> cameron the of >> david cameron the lynch of the cabinet. >> david cameron the lynch of the this net. >> david cameron the lynch of the this ne more serious >> this is more serious because i there genuine lack i think there is a genuine lack of talent. >> they're bringing people back not they're not just because they're old popular actresses, lack of democracy, else could he democracy, but who else could he bnng i democracy, but who else could he bring i mean, really bring in? i mean, that's really sad that he had to bring david cameron back in, he that cameron back in, that he that he's just casting around. >> jeremy hunt has done >> i mean, jeremy hunt has done the job. >> the ovennhelming popular >> was the ovennhelming popular choice. where did he choice. no, no. where did he come from? what was he doing yesterday? >> but also, matthew, was >> but also, matthew, i was pointing earlier in pointing out earlier in the programme, conference programme, he in his conference

speech, people have speech, which most people have forgotten, i haven't forgotten, the one i haven't forgotten, the one i haven't forgotten, attacked forgotten, he attacked the political of the last political orthodoxy of the last 30 years. that was rishi sunak, who was part of that political orthodoxy half of orthodoxy for six and a half of those years. >> david longer than >> david cameron longer than that because was a key that because cameron was a key tory back in the 80s. tory adviser back in the 80s. >> was thatcher at one point. >> he was thatcher at one point. >> he was thatcher at one point. >> general election. >> he was thatcher at one point. >> he general election. >> he was thatcher at one point. >> he did. general election. >> he was thatcher at one point. >> he did. and eral election. >> he was thatcher at one point. >> he did. and erknewction. >> he was thatcher at one point. >> he did. and erknew him. >> he was thatcher at one point. >> he did. and erknew him when >> he did. and i knew him when he adviser to norman he was a young adviser to norman lamont singing bath over lamont singing in the bath over being kicked out the exchange lamont singing in the bath over bein mechanism. the exchange lamont singing in the bath over bein mechanism. the ex(henge lamont singing in the bath over bein mechanism. the ex(he was rate mechanism. and then he was an adviser to michael howard when home secretary. we when he was home secretary. we can cameron actually when he was home secretary. we can walking cameron actually when he was home secretary. we can walking camernthinkually when he was home secretary. we can walking camernthink these he's walking into we think these these these are these these these are these are older images. but he's presumably foreign presumably now at the foreign office feet under presumably now at the foreign offi table. feet under presumably now at the foreign offi table. it's feet under presumably now at the foreign offi table. it's a feet under presumably now at the foreign offi table. it's a very,t under presumably now at the foreign offi table. it's a very, vererr the table. it's a very, very grand office whitehall. it is grand office in whitehall. it is the is much grander the grandest it is much grander than the prime minister's office. >> i really want to hear what you think at home. we've not got any to we've so any emails to you. we've had so much pack in of analysis. but much to pack in of analysis. but gbviews@gbnews.com is the email address because i'm dying to know. what at home? yes. know. what you at home? yes. >> you for or against david cameron? >> and are you for or against the sacking of suella braverman as secretary? because she's the sacking of suella braverman as she'scretary? because she's the sacking of suella braverman as she'screta a? because she's the sacking of suella braverman as she'scretaa backbencher.e's gone. she's now a backbencher. >> haven't had news >> we haven't had any news bulletins been

bulletins since we've been on air but if you are just air at 930, but if you are just joining huge day in joining us, it is a huge day in politics. braverman home politics. suella braverman home secretary the sack. she secretary has got the sack. she will backbencher will now be a backbencher replaced cleverly . and replaced by james cleverly. and in comes david cameron . stage in comes david cameron. stage left emerges . no one saw that left emerges. no one saw that coming. let us know what you think gb news. >> as new polls shows, only 24% of the public like him. >> only 24. >> only 24. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> that's a bit more than this. >> that's a bit more than this. >> you don't go anywhere. we're going for the next going to be here for the next houn going to be here for the next hour. but let's get some very latest news headlines with sophia . sophia. >> good morning. it's 11:00. sophia. >> good morning. it's11:00. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. david cameron is the new foreign secretary marking a surprise return to government for the former prime minister leaving downing street moments ago, he praised the prime minister's leadership despite disagreeing with some decisions. he replaces james cleverly and will also be given a peerage. mr cleverly takes on the job of home

secretary. that's after suella braverman was sacked by the prime minister earlier this morning , ending days of morning, ending days of speculation a reshuffle is now undennay . here are some pictures undennay. here are some pictures coming to us live from downing street where environment secretary therese coffey walked inside a little while ago . inside a little while ago. schools minister nick gibb and primary care minister neil o'brien have already announced their departures . tory mp and gb their departures. tory mp and gb news presenter jacob rees—mogg says the sacking of the former home secretary was the wrong move . move. >> a mistake that suella understands what the country thinks about migration, the concerns the country has is serious about it was determined to get it down on sometimes she spoke in a way that others were a bit squeamish about, but that's not really the point. the point is that as home secretary, she was committed to delivering something that the country thinks is important as that reshuffle continues, the government is also working on strengthening police powers in the wake of the weekend's

protests . protests. >> reports suggest the prime minister is looking to tighten laws to make it easier to ban marches and prosecute those glorifying terrorism . police say glorifying terrorism. police say seven men have been charged with offences including assault on an emergency worker, criminal damage and possession of an offensive weapon. officers made a total of 145 arrests on saturday. armed forces minister james heappey expressed his concern over intolerance in society . society. >> armistice day weekend remembrance sunday weekend has been so politicised and so marred in violence and i do think that that is something that should be a concern to us all. our society has become rather intolerant of differing views . views. >> to other news now . five >> to other news now. five people have died and one person is unaccounted for following a fire at a house in west london. fire crews were called to the blaze in chanel close , hounslow, blaze in chanel close, hounslow, last night. the london fire brigade say five people were pronounced dead at the scene

while one left the property and was taken to hospital. police believe they were all members of the family. the cause of the same family. the cause of the same family. the cause of the fire is being investigated and the world health organisation says gaza's main hospital is no longer functioning amid ongoing battles between israeli forces and hamas. the who's director general says constant gunfire and bombings in the area have exasperated the already critical circumstances at gaza's al—shifa hospital . the medical complex hospital. the medical complex has been damaged by israeli airstrikes, according to gaza based health ministry. is rail says hamas is using hospitals to cover for a command centre , cover for a command centre, which the terrorist group denies . a critically ill baby girl who has been at the centre of a legal battle has died after specialists withdrew life support treatments . eight month support treatments. eight month old indi gregory died in a hospice on monday morning with her parents, who had wanted specialists to keep treating her. the couple had fought to overturn multiple court rulings but were not successful . the

but were not successful. the parents say they're heartbroken and ashamed . royal mail has been and ashamed. royal mail has been fined £5.6 million for missing targets , covering both first and targets, covering both first and second class deliveries . royal second class deliveries. royal mail's reported performance results over the last financial year showed that it had only delivered around 73% of first class mail on time. delivered around 73% of first class mail on time . under the class mail on time. under the regulator's rules, royal mail is required to deliver 93% of first class mail within one working day and 98.5% of second class post within three working days . post within three working days. and we're looking at another stormy week with parts of the uk braced for gale force winds and heavy rain as storm debby approaches. the storm will reach northern england and parts of north wales soon, with gusts of up to 80mph possible along coastal areas . the storm coastal areas. the storm developed off the irish coast , developed off the irish coast, where red weather warnings remain in place. where red weather warnings remain in place . this is gb news remain in place. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car,

on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to andrew and . bev andrew and. bev >> well, we didn't see this coming. >> the former prime minister, david cameron. that's right. david cameron. that's right. david cameron. that's right. david cameron is our new foreign secretary, not a surprise move. a shock move. this is as rishi sunak reshuffled his cabinet, which means that you have to be given a peerage and operate as foreign from the house foreign secretary from the house of lords. it would be the first time that's happened since lord carrington in 1982 and the carrington back in 1982 and the first a former prime first time a former prime minister come back into minister has come back into cabinet since 1973. and douglas—home, just to remind you , rishi said he's , david rishi sunak said he's the change prime minister >> they've had to do this, of course, because no one voted for david cameron. now he says that while disagreed with, while he's disagreed with, quote, some individual decisions made by sunak, he believes that the prime minister is a strong and capable leader. >> and in the morning of drama,

the secretary suella the home secretary suella braverman, was sacked first thing after days of speculation over her future. james cleverly, who foreign secretary, who had been foreign secretary, replaced her as home secretary. so let's go to gb news political editor christopher hope this morning. >> chris, any significant reactions that you've seen so far around the world, even because, of course, david cameron and as we know is very well known on the global stage. yeah. >> well, with the ex—prime ministers club , which is ministers club, which is a growing band of former tory mps and other current tory mps have one of them has welcomed it. theresa may, the former prime minister, she's welcomed david cameron back into the fold . cameron back into the fold. being in government, doing, doing here public doing his bit here for public service. is more news service. there is more news elsewhere in this reshuffle . elsewhere in this reshuffle. it's getting and bigger it's getting bigger and bigger by . andrew and bev by the moment. andrew and bev jessye norman, who's a junior minister in the department for transport, he has quit the government. he says in his letter here an undated letter, by the way. so clearly he had

this lined up to put out there when there was a reshuffle that he's made the pm that he's made clear to the pm that he's made clear to the pm that he wanted to wanted on he wanted to wanted to move on at point and now's a good at some point and now's a good moment. is someone moment. jessye norman is someone who saw as who many people saw as a possible future leader of the tory but for him to leave tory party, but for him to leave government, suggests government, i think she suggests that he be drawing a during government, i think she suggests ticurtain be drawing a during government, i think she suggests ticurtain downy drawing a during government, i think she suggests ticurtain down on awing a during government, i think she suggests ticurtain down on thisg a during government, i think she suggests ticurtain down on this partiuring government, i think she suggests ticurtain down on this part of ng a curtain down on this part of his career. also you his political career. also you heard you say earlier, therese coffey is still in downing street behind me now that is unked street behind me now that is linked to reshuffle , i'm linked to the reshuffle, i'm understand, senior source understand, on senior source level. that is that is linked to the reshuffle while, of course, meeting the pm early in a reshuffle. normally andrew and bev is bad news, so we don't know what it means yet. normally also those sackings are done behind closed doors by phone or in parliament. so we can't quite work out why . teresa coffey went work out why. teresa coffey went through the front door of downing street. but the view is it may not good news. we it may not be good news. we don't it is yet, but don't know what it is yet, but it is linked the reshuffle. it is linked to the reshuffle. that means that the environment secretary's role could be secretary's job role could be up for either promoted for grabs. either she promoted or out of government.

or she moved out of government. that reshuffle is that means this reshuffle is getting and bigger getting bigger and bigger through the morning. >> chris, it could be if >> and chris, it could be if she's in there still all that, she's in there still all that, she's just simply not accepting her fate. if he's trying to fire her, she's resisting. how long can you resist . her, she's resisting. how long can you resist. for kuku her, she's resisting. how long can you resist . for kuku welby? can you resist. for kuku welby? >> teresa coffey, of course, is a close friend of liz truss, ran liz truss's leadership campaign last year with one campaign which of course was was was won with a two thirds, third with a two thirds, one third majority party majority amongst tory party members feel she is members may feel that she is almost carrying the torch of trust such a thing trust if there is such a thing in government. she may not in government. yes, she may not want go at all and that may want to go at all and that may be problem . and of be part of the problem. and of course, problem with course, the problem with with reshuffles. andrew, as you well know, big whiteboard know, there's a big whiteboard behind the scenes. they're moving around that board, moving names around that board, working go where. working out who can go where. and someone won't go into the and if someone won't go into the hole they've been given, where that's the government or that's out of the government or elsewhere government, elsewhere in government, it causes sorts of problems, causes all sorts of problems, problems game of problems like a big game of jenga. the the jenga. if you put the pull the bncks jenga. if you put the pull the bricks it might start bricks out, it all might start tumbling down. and of course, we have we, have seen issues, haven't we, with authority of mr

with with the authority of mr sunak. got a notional sunak. he has got a notional majority down to about majority of 80 down to about maybe 58. i think now with all the defections and mps the different defections and mps being being 50 now with mps being being 50 now with mps being suspended and the rest. but even so, that's quite a healthy he does healthy majority. but he does lack, authority in the lack, i think, authority in the party and this is his chance to put his imprint on the party and i am expecting more younger tory mps promoted along the mps to be promoted along the lines claire coutinho in her lines of claire coutinho in her late 30s that she is now, of course, the net zero secretary. more people like her age to give a new a younger towards more people like her age to give a ne government. towards more people like her age to give a ne government. i towards more people like her age to give a ne government. i told yards this government. i was told by a senior ally of the pm they were going to break the ceiling going to break the glass ceiling with the appointments they're going this reshuffle going to make in this reshuffle that doesn't necessarily that doesn't mean necessarily more more more women. it means more younger more women. it means more yo reshape this team to reshape the this this team around sunak, scampton and his youth going fonnard against an old man in the form of sir keir starmer. >> i was just looking, just looking at keir starmer twitter feed here. chris the last thing he tweeted was 21 hours ago, it was a picture of him laying a wreath at the cenotaph and saying it was an honour to lay the wreath. today will

the wreath. today we will remember you remember them. what would you expect this expect him to tweet this morning? he must be sitting there with his notepad and pen trying to compose something that really does stick the knife in. now to the conservatives this morning, they've handed him a massive stick with which he can beat them, hasn't he, josh ? beat them, hasn't he, josh? >> so are you are you asking me on air to draft a tweet for keir starmer? >> i'm asking you what you think i >> -- >> i'm asking you to get you to do one. >> i know you'd do it beautifully, chris, but i'm asking you, what do you think he will out? what? what, what will come out? what? what, what can make of this? can he make of this? >> think he'll say think >> i think he'll say i think what will say what he'll say is he'll he'll in pmqs on wednesday. >> he'll say, look around you. prime minister is not one mp in here. good enough to be your foreign secretary are you out of ideas and out of out of even have you run out of mps for top jobs? you brought back a guy who lost a referendum, a guy who was not trusted by the right of the party, a guy who was on the

scrapheap of politics. it's time. time for a new government . time. time for a new government. that's what say. that's what he'll say. >> all that's chris hope >> all right. that's chris hope in street he'll stay in downing street and he'll stay with the changes. with us with all the changes. let's got charlie rowley let's we've got charlie rowley joining us now, who is a former adviser michael adviser to michael gove. charlie, what do you make about david cameron coming back? how does fit in with rishi does that fit in with rishi sunak's that the sunak's pledge that i am the change prime minister? well, he's gone back 15 years. we haven't had a former prime minister coming back into cabinet since 1970, before you were even born. charlie beth was born . born. >> and before i was just about to say, before probably either of you, i would have said were born, say the nicest things . born, say the nicest things. >> he knows how to get invited back. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> what do you make of the appointment? >> i think it's a brilliant appointment because what do you think of david cameron and his politics and whatever side of the referendum debate you are on? he is a brilliant communicator. yes he is someone who i think had to take very ,

who i think had to take very, very tough decisions in 2010 to 2015, who led the country with the coalition, who who had to make very difficult decisions in terms of the economy, but won an overall majority party because of the way he communicated those tough decisions . i think having tough decisions. i think having him around the cabinet table will only be a good thing. and i'd excite people about looking at the conservative party once again. no i think you're completely wrong, charlie. >> you say he's a good communicator. i think he a communicator. i think he was a very communicator later. very careful communicator later. and what people like about suella braverman, those who who did like her in that position , did like her in that position, they like the fact that she actually shot from the hip and she wasn't such a careful communicator. and she did speak with a very strong and i agree , with a very strong and i agree, controversial rhetoric around border and also about homelessness. she got herself into hot water recently . that's into hot water recently. that's what people like about her. they see david cameron is just being too slick, too eton, not genuine . don't they ? . don't they? >> well, i think the problem with suella braverman is that

she went just too far. >> i think people absolutely believe and understand that there is a migration crisis in this country when you're putting fonnard a new policy that is very difficult, like rwanda, you need someone who can shoot from here to say how it is and to cut through, because that's what some voters quite a lot of voters actually think . but, you voters actually think. but, you know, talking about homelessness, sometimes being a lifestyle choice , there wouldn't lifestyle choice, there wouldn't be words that i would use or i think majority of people think the majority of people would elections would have used. but elections are won by the centre ground . are won by the centre ground. and if you develop a narrative that you are somehow becoming perhaps the nasty party in inverted commas , a quote that's inverted commas, a quote that's never really used, but, you know, you are seen to be attacking minority groups like those who are sleeping rough or if you are being divisive, particularly in the run up to very sensitive issues when it comes to protests in this country and remembrance services that we saw over the weekend, then think it goes too far. then i think it goes too far. and think there was

and i think there was a frustration amongst middle ground voters that the conservative party was tacking too far to the right and it wasn't representing the middle ground . david cameron coming ground. david cameron coming back into the fold is a very, very strong signal that this is a nafion very strong signal that this is a nation conservative party a one nation conservative party and a one nation government. once again. >> boss, former boss, >> now your boss, former boss, michael gove, used to be very close with david close friends with david cameron, but they fell out spectacularly brexit spectacularly over brexit because cameron felt because he felt cameron felt betrayed by gove on brexit. gove will be disappointed, won't he, charlie? that he didn't get the home secretary job. it's one you and i know he's coveted for years . years. >> well, just before tagging on to michael, you will know that oliver dowden was david cameron's chief of staff at number 10, or certainly a very senior role in number 10, if not chief of staff, because he'd been deputy prime minister i think he would have had a huge influence. oliver dowden bringing david cameron back. but you're absolutely right. michael has a hugely successful has been a hugely successful cabinet minister in lots of

cabinet minister in lots of cabinet posts. he never has been appointed to a one of the big four, as they say. defence secretary, foreign secretary, home secretary or chancellor. and i don't whether he and i don't know whether he would have taken maybe i mean, you wouldn't say no. i suppose , you wouldn't say no. i suppose, but i think he feels there's a huge mission still to do at levelling up to level up the country, get homes for country, to get homes built for the country and to make sure that, you know, local communities, local councils are funded properly. there is huge amounts of work still to be done in that regard. and i think michael is just getting on with that job as far as we know. >> okay. you, charlie. >> okay. thank you, charlie. former michael gove, former adviser to michael gove, charlie sounded he charlie rowley sounded like he was a canteen, looked like he was in a canteen, looked like he was in a canteen, looked like he was in a canteen, looked like he was in sauna. know where was in a sauna. don't know where he sauna and he was about the sauna and looked like he'd lost his razor blades. >> the michael gove is he getting job in the reshuffle getting a job in the reshuffle or is he staying put or is he going fired? going to be fired? >> and i because the >> and i because he's the longest respect for charlie. >> do not think that gove >> but i do not think that gove would hesitated would have hesitated for a second leaping the second before leaping at the foreign secretary or home

foreign secretary job or home secretary. wonder secretary. but i wonder what bons secretary. but i wonder what boris thinking right boris johnson is thinking right now well. now about all this as well. >> he want to come back >> he doesn't want to come back just to back just yet. he wants to come back after is lost. after the election is lost. that's when he'll come back. not before my view. >> that's because it is just >> and that's because it is just a round of the same a merry go round of the same people the jobs. people getting the same jobs. and need better in and we need better people in politics being politics now after being appointed secretary james appointed, home secretary james cleverly press cleverly spoke to the press outside the home office. let's have a listen. >> it's been a huge >> well, it's been a huge privilege to serve as foreign secretary. that time, secretary. and in that time, i've worked very closely with my colleagues in the home office cracking down on illegal migration, reducing the number of small boat arrivals. and now , of small boat arrivals. and now, as the home secretary, i'm absolutely committed to stopping the boats as we promised, but also making sure that everybody in the uk feels safe and secure. going around, going about their daily business, knowing that the government is here to protect them. so it's a fantastic job andits them. so it's a fantastic job and it's a real privilege to serve. thank you very much. well, i intend to do this job in

the way that i feel best, protects the british people and our interests. i have had a very good conversation with the prime minister, who's made it very clear that he wants us to deliver on our promises to stop the boats , to protect the the boats, to protect the british people, make sure everybody feels secure in their lives. >> so that's the new home secretary james cleverly. we're hoping there might be some words with david cameron, who has to get his period sorted out before he foreign secretary he can become foreign secretary because got to be able to because he's got to be able to answer questions in parliament. what you make , james? what do you make, james? cleverly, i like him. i think he's good and rees—mogg cleverly, i like him. i think he's to good and rees—mogg cleverly, i like him. i think he's to us d and rees—mogg cleverly, i like him. i think he's to us earlier. and rees—mogg cleverly, i like him. i think he's to us earlier. jacoblees—mogg said to us earlier. jacob rees—mogg everybody in rees—mogg said everybody in parliament him. parliament likes him. >> he's respected >> yeah, i think he's respected across sides across both sides or all sides of the but i don't know of the house, but i don't know what view stop the boats. >> i don't know because he's very much specialised in foreign and defence hitherto. >> mean in a sense it >> i mean i think in a sense it will. he'll calm things down. yes. which will be all, i think part of this sunak strategy. so i've just had a text from a

labour strategist saying, you know, they've given up on sunderland this is all about surrey you surrey because you know, i really respect charlie very much, i think he's just much, but i think he's just wrong when he says about cameron being a vote getter because cameron vote getter cameron was a vote getter in different to the to different places to the to boris, the places in the red wall had the chance to vote for cameron twice and they didn't on either. >> they not. you're right. >> they did not. you're right. >> they did not. you're right. >> in the 20 when >> they did in the 20 when i worked for miliband, who was worked for ed miliband, who was leader used laugh leader in 2015, we used to laugh at cameron because we were going to traditional marginal to all the traditional marginal seats midlands seats in the midlands and yorkshire these yorkshire and we'd see these pictures cameron sitting a pictures of cameron sitting on a hay west country. hay bale in the west country. yeah. was very clever yeah. and it was very clever strategy because if you remember, got their remember, they got their majority in that election. labour of labour actually we lost lots of seats snp. seats in scotland to the snp. we gained in england, gained a two seats in england, but the reason that the scale of the why the tories the defeat and why the tories got a majority because got a majority was because cameron's about cameron's strategy was all about the i think it's the lib dems. and i think it's all if you're those all about if you're in those posh it's all about it posh seats, it's all about it was embarrassment vote posh seats, it's all about it was whilst)arrassment vote posh seats, it's all about it was whilst suellanent vote posh seats, it's all about it was whilst suella was vote posh seats, it's all about it was whilst suella was sayinge tory whilst suella was saying all these horrible things, you know, around the dinner know, and now around the dinner party tables of surrey and hampshire, more they hampshire, it's much more they will campaign in

will send cameron to campaign in hay bale yeah , it'll be back in hay bale yeah, it'll be back in his hay bale is a good point. >> like a boat in catalogue. >> like a boat in catalogue. >> yes, yes, yes, yes. but you're also going to anger all of those red wall mps who are now giving up and those they've given think i think they've >> and i think i think they've given up on them. >> think have. it's >> i think they have. but it's all say, cameron is all very well to say, cameron is all very well to say, cameron is a loyal he's going to hold sunak's hand. he's a loyal lieutenant. all of that. he needs to be a good foreign secretary needs not secretary and he needs to not alienate of the party. alienate half of the party. that's with that. that's the problem with that. >> interesting. i love >> that's so interesting. i love that. insight that. matthew, that insight they've given up on sunderland and all surrey. so and this is all about surrey. so who are the people in sunderland going vote for? who are the people in sunderland goiithey'llyte for? who are the people in sunderland goiithey'll go for? who are the people in sunderland goiithey'll go back to the lib. >> they'll go back to the lib. >> they'll go back to the lib. >> think hopefully a lot >> well i think hopefully a lot of them will come to labour >> well i think hopefully a lot of the|saw ll come to labour >> well i think hopefully a lot of the|saw income to labour >> well i think hopefully a lot of the|saw incomwlocal to labour as we saw in the local elections, did actually elections, we did actually do very well place. we will, of very well in place. we will, of course tories will remind very well in place. we will, of courstthat tories will remind very well in place. we will, of courstthat keires will remind very well in place. we will, of courstthat keir starmeremind very well in place. we will, of courstthat keir starmer wasd very well in place. we will, of courstthat keir starmer was the them that keir starmer was the architect of the second referendum they'll referendum plan, but they'll be hoping brexit is not an hoping that brexit is not an issue this weaken issue there. doesn't this weaken that, because that, andrew, because you know, you've of the key you've now got one of the key because got cameron is because you've got cameron is such a risk because of such a risk because a lot of those who might have those people who might have voted who voted for labour, those who want stricter borders, they're going to for reform

to vote for the reform and they're going to split that vote going are to going into labour, are going to get it? going into labour, are going to get it's it? going into labour, are going to get it's going it? going into labour, are going to get it's going to it? going into labour, are going to get it's going to be no one is >> it's going to be no one is pretending richard tice is pretending that richard tice is going our next prime going to be our next prime minister, we going to minister, but we are going to split, vote, which split, shatter that vote, which suella braverman also does by detaching of floating suella braverman also does by deta(youj of floating suella braverman also does by deta(you know, of floating rate. you know, righty. >> you're beginning >> but i think you're beginning to landslide territory. >> i think i think because one of with cameron is of the things with cameron is before was a spin doctor, before i was a spin doctor, i used to write questions for those sunday political interviews. what interviews. and of course, what we trail through we used to do was trail through all the old quotes. can you just imagine of imagine all the tens of thousands of migration promise thatfailed all that ammunition? and failed all that ammunition? >> he was going to migration >> he was going to get migration down low tens of down to the low tens of thousands legal migration last year 600,000. that year was six over 600,000. that was shocking , down the was shocking, down to the low tens . that was legal. tens. that was legal. >> all legal migration. absolutely there's to come absolutely there's a lot to come back haunt him. back to haunt him. >> yeah, right. >> yeah, right. >> we're going carry on with >> we're going to carry on with our the cabinet our coverage of the cabinet reshuffle, our home security reshuffle, our home and security editor the editor mark white is outside the home we're going to home office, but we're going to speak just moment. speak to him in just a moment. this britain's newsroom on gb this is britain's newsroom on gb news is.

christys on gb news. i'm gb news radio . radio. >> it's 11 to 20 for you. with all the news gb news with andrew pearson. bev turner right. >> we are joined by our home security editor mark white from outside office. outside the home office. good morning, mark. hi. none of us really predicted this this morning . huge breaking news morning. huge breaking news story today about her suella braverman getting the sack . braverman getting the sack. what's the very latest down there . there. >> well, it's blowing a storm

here, i have to say, outside the home office. but it james cleverly is now in his office to start tackling the myriad of issues that, of course , as home issues that, of course, as home secretary, he will have to deal with. he's left, of course, a job as foreign secretary that you would think , given all of you would think, given all of the world events, there is no more complicated , brief or more complicated, brief or complex brief than that. >> but the home office is certainly just that . and of certainly just that. and of course, this coming wednesday , course, this coming wednesday, we have the decision on the rwanda policy from the supreme court . and really for the court. and really for the government that rwanda policy , government that rwanda policy, it's rwanda or bust. there is no as far as we can make out any plan b for what to do to with those crossing the english channel. it's all about sending a significant number to rwanda to act as that deterrent. i think there is some small crumb

of comfort for the new home secretary in the small boat. figures are down. there are about 27,030% down or so on last yean about 27,030% down or so on last year. it's arguable whether that's to do with the weather we've had over recent months or not. but at least they're down and i think what's interesting as well is that, of course, james cleverly is the mp for braintree and he was quite opposed to one of suella braverman's key policies, which was to put asylum seekers at raf wethersfield in braintree council's area . yeah, so we'll council's area. yeah, so we'll wait to see what james cleverly says. now with regard to that policy, whether he actually now supports that reluctantly or whether he might look for other solutions around that, knowing that he is the local mp and he's going to face an awful lot of

opposition from many of his electorate . electorate. >> we've just got the statement from david cameron on twitter, mark, saying the prime minister has asked me to serve as his foreign secretary. i've gladly accepted . we're facing accepted. we're facing a daunting set of international challenges, including the war in ukraine, the crisis in the middle east at this time of profound global change. it has rarely been important for rarely been more important for this country to stand by our allies strengthen allies, strengthen our partnerships, our partnerships, and make sure our voice heard. he goes on and voice is heard. he goes on and on and on. why that on and on. so why him for that role, mark? what is he role, mark? what is what is he bnng role, mark? what is what is he bring to those heavy international conflict situations . situations. >> well, there's no doubt he is a statesman, former prime minister. i think widely respected around the world. and he will need all of those qualities in doing that job at a time when we have to raging wars, that war in israel and of course, the war in ukraine that continues . so expect in very continues. so expect in very

short order, lord cameron to head off to israel and then probably ukraine to show that the british government is still fully committed. one, to its support of israel as it pushes fonnard in its efforts to deal with hamas. and also, of course , with hamas. and also, of course, reiterating as friends and allies do, the need for israel to continue to have the civilian population in gaza uppermost in its mind as it goes after the hamas on the ground . and then, hamas on the ground. and then, of course, the issue of ukraine, which continues to rumble on. it takes a lot of investors from this country and other allies of ukraine, he will have to as well as show president zelenskyy that the uk is still fully committed to the cause and fully behind ukraine. he will also have to make the argument internationally that this conflict in ukraine is one that

is still worth investment in, is still worth being full square behind ukraine. on >> we just want to ask you briefly , i know it's under lock briefly, i know it's under lock and key. the supreme court , we and key. the supreme court, we hear on wednesday , what happens hear on wednesday, what happens on wednesday. do they their lordships process into court and read out their views or do we get it very do we get it very quickly? we they'll come into court. >> it'll be televised. so they'll come into court and then you'll get at least some of the panel should be represented. there as they read out the judgement. now my previous experience of listening to supreme court rulings is that they tend to be a bit more under standable than some of the royal courts of justice and high court rulings. they go out of their way to make sure that those judgements are sort of under standable for the vast majority of the public. so we should get

aninkung of the public. so we should get an inkling from what they are saying who is going to be victorious on this. but as i say, for the new home secretary for the uk government, there is so much riding on this because there is no plan b if this goes against the government, they are going to have to have a long, hard look at what they do. really going fonnard to deal with all those asylum seekers, all those people crossing the engush all those people crossing the english channel illegally in these small boats. >> so that will be cleverly's priority to be the new home secretary's priority . secretary's priority. >> yes, that and also, of course, dealing with the very significant numbers who are here. there are more than 50,000 people still being housed in hotels and a key a key sort of task of the government is to try and get away from the overreliance on these hotels and move them into the likes of purpose built or specially

adapted larger scale centres such as wethersfield , which the such as wethersfield, which the home secretary as foreign secretary was so opposed to, and such a scampton . and of course such a scampton. and of course up in lincolnshire or indeed the bibby stockholm barge down in portland , so a lot on his plate. portland, so a lot on his plate. and we haven't even spoken about the ongoing issue of these protests that are continuing regularly throughout centre london. i think in terms of repairing the damage with the metropolitan police, you won't have too much to do in that because that damage has been repaired in the sense that suella braverman following her comments, has gone so he can start with a clean slate there and maybe have a more constructive dialogue with sir mark rowley about what we do with these protests and whether we get more in the way of new legislation that could make it that bit easier for the police to ban these marches, not in

terms of the public order element of it, but because of the kind of a lot of the hate filled rhetoric that's coming out of there and the fear and alarm that it is putting one community, the jewish community, under. unden >> okay. thank you, mark. such a good point. very good point. i mean, loads of good points. >> and we shouldn't forget the home secretary again, third time running character of ethnic running is a character of ethnic origin, is from origin, whose mother is from sierra leone. that is our new foreign home secretary james cleverly right . cleverly right. >> we're going to get to your emails, i promise you. i know you've been sending them in. we've been ever so busy here this morning since huge this morning since 930. huge changes at the top of government. let's hear the very latest. first of all, though, with . with sophia. >> it's 1132. with sophia. >> it's1132. i'm sophia with sophia. >> it's 1132. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom . new foreign in the newsroom. new foreign secretary lord david cameron said that while i may disagree with some individual decisions made by rishi sunak, he is a strong and capable prime

minister who is showing exemplary leadership at a difficult time . difficult time. as the home secretary, i'm absolutely committed to stopping the boats, as we promised , but the boats, as we promised, but also making sure that everybody in the uk feels safe and secure. >> going around, going about their daily business, knowing that the government is here to protect them. so it's a fantastic job and it's a real privilege to serve and that was the new home secretary, james cleverly speaking as that reshuffle continues, the government is also working on strengthening police powers in the wake of this weekend's protests . protests. >> reports suggest the prime minister is looking to tighten laws to make it easier to ban marches and prosecute those glorifying terrorism. police say seven men have been charged with offences including assault on an emergency worker , criminal emergency worker, criminal damage and possession of an

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just recap where we are. so the home been fired. home secretary has been fired. that's replaced that's suella braverman replaced by the foreign secretary is by the foreign secretary that is james cleverly. oh, sorry. >> i thought heavily . >> i thought heavily. >> i thought heavily. >> and the foreign secretary is now wait for this. >> i was waiting for this . so >> i was waiting for this. so this is suella braverman statement? yes she has said it has been the greatest privilege of my life to serve as serve as home secretary. and i will have more to say in due course. that's ominous, isn't it? >> and her replacement, james cleverly, who was foreign secretary, tweeted in response to his appointment. it's an honour to appointed as home honour to be appointed as home secretary. is clear. my secretary. the goal is clear. my job to keep people in this job is to keep people in this country safe. >> doesn't sound terribly >> it doesn't sound terribly happy it? he said happy about it, does it? he said in that loved in the summer that he loved being secretary being foreign secretary and he wanted to keep that job. david cameron. wrote an essay. the cameron. he wrote an essay. the prime minister has asked me to serve foreign secretary serve as his foreign secretary and accepted. we are and i've gladly accepted. we are facing daunting set facing a daunting set of international challenges, facing a daunting set of interrincludingrallenges, facing a daunting set of interrincluding theenges, facing a daunting set of interrincluding the wars, facing a daunting set of interrincluding the war in says, including the war in ukraine and crisis in the ukraine and the crisis in the middle this time of middle east at this time of profound global change, it has rarely important rarely been more important for this country to stand by our allies, strengthen our

partnerships, and to make sure our voice is heard. >> let's see what you've >> well, let's see what you've been saying. >> a third of what he had to say. we cut it off for you. >> let's see what what you've been home. >> let's see what what you've bee tina home. >> let's see what what you've bee tina says, home. >> let's see what what you've beetina says, cameron, are you >> tina says, cameron, are you joking back on joking? he turned his back on the when he didn't get the country when he didn't get his way over europe. we're going backwards i'm backwards and lesley says, i'm disgusted and outraged by suella being the only one who being sacked. the only one who stood british stood for what the british pubuc stood for what the british public wanted afraid to public wanted wasn't afraid to say were say it. a true conservative were doomed. in doomed. will soon be living in a communist country. well . sue has communist country. well. sue has said, speechless. >> if the conservatives have not already lost the election they have now. suella braverman is the only one that speaks for the silent majority. neville from bristol said, what a disaster for the conservative party in our country. the person who should resign is the charlie chapun should resign is the charlie chaplin lookalike, prime minister constantly saying one thing and then doing other thing and then doing the other is the complete opposite. the next a gutless man. but next day, a gutless man. but somebody is being positive, patrick says if david cameron accepts has , patrick accepts and he has, patrick says, it's brilliant move. says, it's a brilliant move. >> all talking the >> you're all talking about the silent majority . silent majority. >> mike says, what a shame. she

spoke for silent majority of spoke for the silent majority of conservatives . we're now left conservatives. we're now left with of wimps. there was with a load of wimps. there was something about her very strong rhetoric, particularly on immigration an it was a kind of old school, tough love approach and you like it out there. >> and she refused used to put to pull back. she said what she thought and i think she spoke the language which a lot of ordinary people related to like that particularly the comments about policing. >> they >> i think they were particularly resonant. i don't think she was popular think she was that popular actually, past, until actually, until the past, until the past i don't think she the past week. i don't think she was ovennhelmingly loved by people think people suella braverman i think she a she's quite she was sort of a she's quite a spiky figure. she doesn't really resonate with people. but honestly, with the policing comments, a lot of comments, i think a lot of people been feeling this people have been feeling this this this sense policing this this sense that policing wasn't being equal. >> the policing that there were double standards, that it was policing, but also just that the liberal left were getting away, policing, but also just that the libewokeft were getting away, policing, but also just that the libewoke ft wergetting g away, policing, but also just that the libewokeft wergetting away |y, policing, but also just that the libewoke ft wergetting away with the woke were getting away with a lot. >> there was lot of hate >> there was a lot of hate coming from that side. and i think comments have

think those comments have catapulted from being just catapulted her from being just another to being another home secretary to being another home secretary to being an popular figure now. an extremely popular figure now. >> she she she i mean, >> and she she she i mean, matthew laza her opposite number is cooper. one the is yvette cooper. one of the more on the labour front bench, one of the few who's got cabinet experience, perhaps only one experience, perhaps the only one who's experience . who's got cabinet experience. i'm to think of any other. >> think might be right. >> i think you might be right. she's got cabinet. hilary. hilary benn. she's got cabinet. hilary. hil.hilary1n. but brought >> hilary benn. but she brought back in northern ireland. totally. >> she totally eclipsed yvette coopen well, i i mean, >> well, i think i mean, yvette plays a game, some >> well, i think i mean, yvette plays argue: game, some >> well, i think i mean, yvette plays argue a game, some >> well, i think i mean, yvette plays argue a littlegame, some >> well, i think i mean, yvette plays argue a little bit|e, some >> well, i think i mean, yvette plays argue a little bit too;ome might argue a little bit too quiet sometimes there's rumblings, with rumblings, particularly with people wall that is people in the red wall that is still red. from those still red. mps from from those constituencies that they'd like to hear yvette be bit to hear yvette be a bit stronger. kinnock, who's stronger. stephen kinnock, who's her been making the her deputy, has been making the and immigration immigration and the immigration immigration minister been making minister has been making the run. have a plan on run. labour does have a plan on the small boats. i feel i talk about than does about it more than yvette does sometimes. all not at to sometimes. i'm all in not at to all stop them. a point plan all stop them. a five point plan to but let's go to stop them. but let's not go down that rabbit hole. but on the politics it, i think that the politics of it, i think that people that yvette doesn't people feel that yvette doesn't go out and sell that enough because to because she doesn't want to alienate opinion. so alienate liberal opinion. so

this life easier. >> lots along this lines, emma. i'm just looking people i'm just looking at what people at pat has said at home are saying. pat has said after sacking suella, the after the sacking of suella, the conservative 100% conservative party has a 100% just 50 votes from just lost another 50 votes from our families. rishi our families. so if rishi is rishi labour supporter rishi sunak a labour supporter in hope that in disguise, let's hope that suella reform party. suella joins the reform party. lots she won't. lots of she won't. >> she won't do that because she wants to that wants wants to be that she wants to lead party. wants to be that she wants to lea what party. wants to be that she wants to lea what will party. wants to be that she wants to lea what will she.y. though? but >> what will she do though? but i just i think what well, just responding to matthew in terms of how starmer responds to this, it's going to tricky him it's going to be tricky for him as well when he attacks david cameron is cameron because brexit is not a straightfonnard issue for labour as well. certainly not. he's going to be really going to have to be really careful. can't just i going to have to be really careful. can'tjust i mean, careful. he can'tjust i mean, chris, hope saying, chris, chris hope was saying, well, stand and say, well, he'll stand up and say, you've of talent. you've got a dearth of talent. you've bring an old you've had to bring back an old 9”)!- you've had to bring back an old guy. don't you have anyone better? and that's one way of doing will what else doing it. but how will what else will how he will starmer say? how will he handle yeah, handle this issue of, yeah, democracy, will democracy, but how will he handle the issue brexit and handle the issue of brexit and the referendum? all of which were for labour were not simple for labour either? were not simple for labour eitiwell, think i think they'll >> well, i think i think they'll be i think they'll be be trying to i think they'll be trying hope that the trying to hope that the very fact cameron's means fact that cameron's there means the using that

the tories will be using that attack mean the attack line less. i mean the word from the labour word i'm getting from the labour spin is that they really spin doctors is that they really going on the fact that this destroys any that sunak destroys any notion that sunak is the change candidate, which is the change candidate, which is what tried to do in his is what he tried to do in his conference speech. well, don't conference speech. well, i don't think people noticed think many people noticed that. >> one saying really. think many people noticed that. >> i one saying really. think many people noticed that. >> i mean, saying really. think many people noticed that. >> i mean, i|ying really. think many people noticed that. >> i mean, i think'eally. think many people noticed that. >> i mean, i think that's what we're expecting to set the tory strategy. course, know strategy. and of course, i know sometimes i get groans when i say on gb news. but the 30 say it on gb news. but the 30 years of failure labour is cock a that the man who started a hoop that the man who started those is now those 13 years of failure is now back in the frame and a sense back in the frame and in a sense enables labour to push back and say remember this. one other thing of course is how many times cameron to be times is cameron going to be asked believed in austerity asked you believed in austerity and now you've got to spend, spend, spend, government, which can right. can be asked from the right. and there's also one interesting line, i'm hearing is that line, which i'm hearing is that the labour think they'll be disquiet on the tory backbenches about how close to china cameron is, which has become a big issue for backbenchers. for tory backbenchers. >> remember the >> yeah, and remember it was the it >> yeah, and remember it was the h bons >> yeah, and remember it was the it boris johnson's it was boris johnson's government that yanked all the chinese stuff out of the five absolutely. >> and the nuclear power stations as well and all that.

>> and yet cameron has been over to china quite a lot. i'm sure he's had quite a lot of time on his hands in his business interests collapsed and he's made osborne likewise. >> mean, seems >> exactly. i mean, it seems like lifetime like a different lifetime ago because perceived because the government perceived in the days still in the early days still misguided, but a different set of misguided policies. so i think will build up think all of that will build up to will attack the to labour will attack the contradictions between cameron and not just on on china, and sunak not just on on china, but also on the echr where cameron kept kept in. it makes it more difficult to leave the european convention on human rights course, as rights but also, of course, as we a couple of weeks we said just a couple of weeks ago hs2, there's way ago, hs2, there's no way a european convention human rights is be. is going to be. >> they can't. foreign >> they can't. the foreign secretary, the foreign secretary, the new foreign secretary will be four square opposed secretary will be four square op|:well, all eyes on wednesday. >> well, all eyes on wednesday. it's there's so much it's true. there's so much history for cameron, for history there for cameron, for everything. everybody's everything. i mean, everybody's raking it's all raking it all up and it's all going to thrown at rishi going to be thrown at rishi sunak, it? honestly the sunak, isn't it? honestly the reaction on on twitter to david cameron's statement, the cameron's statement, i mean, the british people, they're just brilliant , british people, they're just brilliant, aren't they? british people, they're just brili ant , aren't they? british people, they're just brili mean, 'en't they? british people, they're just brili mean, there'szy? british people, they're just brili mean, there's so much in >> i mean, there's so much in here in terms of humour and

people saying, absolute people saying, so an absolute loser back the absolute loser brings back the absolute loser brings back the absolute loser him seat . loser that gave him the seat. are you going to fix all the mess that you've started as prime minister? people aren't stupid. prime minister? people aren't stupiisunak talks about the fact rishi sunak talks about the fact that changed candidate, rishi sunak talks about the fact that brought changed candidate, rishi sunak talks about the fact that brought back ged candidate, rishi sunak talks about the fact that brought back davidindidate, rishi sunak talks about the fact that brought back david cameron, he's brought back david cameron, who, was who, as you say, was an austerity, so unpopular. austerity, was so unpopular. >> a sense, >> i mean, cameron in a sense, was boy for austerity was the poster boy for austerity . the man who cut your . he he's the man who cut your library, pool, library, your swimming pool, etcetera , in those days when etcetera, in those days when they were trying to balance the books. basically books. so the left are basically saying you've saying he's a tough tory, you've got right saying that he's got the right saying that he's socially he out socially liberal and he sold out brexit. b rexit. >> sort of centre >> you've got sort of centre people hate him because of people who hate him because of brexit and then you who is brexit and then you go who is left? , matthew, only left? i think, matthew, the only people identify are the people we can identify are the ones said, which the ones you said, which is the sorry crowd. yeah. >> and i think, mean, i think >> and i think, i mean, i think that that he suddenly that the idea that he suddenly reconnects with liberal reconnects you with liberal britain, is rather britain, as it were, is rather neo liberal. well, yeah, but i mean, they clearly want they've brought him back thinking that they're going to do this, they're going to do this, they're to make voting they're going to make voting tory respectable i'm tory respectable again. i'm not sure that people who don't sure that people who i don't think camp think he keeps either camp happy because who were because i think people who were in staying in the in favour of staying in the

remainers will have long memories. >> but you know, with all these decisions are taken, they sit down they plot and they plot decisions are taken, they sit dow they they plot and they plot decisions are taken, they sit dow they scheme ot and they plot decisions are taken, they sit dow they scheme allmd they plot decisions are taken, they sit dow they scheme all thethey plot and they scheme all the negatives, positives. so negatives, all the positives. so some. to sunak some. so someone said to sunak on balance the positives outweigh negatives. outweigh the negatives. >> the worst option . >> it's the least worst option. and that us in what and that shows us in what a desperate the tories desperate situation the tories are in that this is the best are in, in that this is the best they come up with and this they can come up with and this is option. is the least worst option. >> really, as i said >> and it really, as i said before, it calls into the sunak's judgement. it really calls into question. did calls that into question. did they game plan they not even kind of game plan this bit? bev's point this a little bit? bev's point about of about the lack of accountability, the fact that he's even going to be in the he's not even going to be in the chamber, the other issues. chamber, all the other issues. >> there an element that >> and is there an element that the being prime minister is a lonely job and he feels he's got now a big beast. he can talk to? >> well, absolutely . i think >> well, absolutely. i think thatis >> well, absolutely. i think that is that is the advantage. and to use the famous thatcher phrase, everyone needs a willie referring to willie whitelaw, who experienced deputy who was the experienced deputy prime dowden, prime minister, oliver dowden, who deputy minister who is the deputy prime minister in government, is hardly in this government, is hardly that sort that they were literally a sort of certainly prefects together .

of certainly prefects together. so in a sense he's brought that back. my argument with with starmer is actually that labour somewhat lacks that at the moment. yeah. in my day behind the charlie faulkner. >> who's willie? >> yeah, who's the willie? >> yeah, who's the willie? >> not around now. >> and he's not around now. >> no. >> no. >> and willie whitelaw >> and he's the willie whitelaw in your life. >> i'm not sure that they have one the way. i but one in quite the same way. i but i gray who's the i think sue gray who's the official now running official who's now running the, the, starmer operation. but the, the starmer operation. but you need somebody who's been in politics. yeah. for that. who's got well politics. yeah. for that. who's goothers. well as others. >> hasn't rishi sunak made himself lonely in that role? >> hasn't he promoted his mates that he's only like he's , he's, that he's only like he's, he's, he's got rid of people who didn't necessarily agree with him. >> had a very, very small circle around him with people who agree with need people with him because you need people to though to say the same thing as though he's much, much to his he's much, much closer to his family than it is than to family than it is than he is to his cabinet. >> and i'm sorry. not >> yeah. and i'm sorry. it's not good say that. yes good enough to say that. yes he's will his good enough to say that. yes he's of will his good enough to say that. yes he's of loyal will his good enough to say that. yes he's of loyal lieutenant. his good enough to say that. yes he's of loyal lieutenant. that's kind of loyal lieutenant. that's not good enough. david cameron needs to be decent foreign not good enough. david cameron needs to in decent foreign not good enough. david cameron needs to in his ecent foreign not good enough. david cameron needs to in his ownt foreign not good enough. david cameron needs to in his own right.gn not good enough. david cameron needs to in his own right. get secretary in his own right. get on that job. on with that job. >> but he's also. his >> yeah, but he's also. his cabinet secretary young cabinet secretary is very young and inexperienced. simon casey is leave, too,

is actually on sick leave, too, so sense that sunak is so you just sense that sunak is almost feels a bit like king canute is out. >> his political judgement is absolute from the last from the last ten hours. >> and labour are already saying that he's put party before country. this was about balancing party's needs balancing out the party's needs and the party's electoral calculations than putting calculations rather than putting the first. the country first. >> ministers always do that. >> well, they at least >> well, they should. at least they try and prevail that they're not. if they're skilful and they're they're not. if they're skilful and enough, they're they're not. if they're skilful and enough, they ey're they're not. if they're skilful and enough, they would say skilful enough, they would say that suella braverman that the suella braverman situation catapulted him into a panic, and he's made panic, and i think he's made some really, really odd decisions this morning. >> not if did this >> it's not as if he did this came as a surprise that she started way. started speaking in that way. >> had a few this >> we've had quite a few this has been building up and building up and building up. >> have been ready. >> so he should have been ready. >> so he should have been ready. >> should been ready. >> so he should have been ready. >> butshould been ready. >> so he should have been ready. >> but i|ould been ready. >> so he should have been ready. >> but i think been ready. >> so he should have been ready. >> but i think this been ready. >> so he should have been ready. >> but i think this hasn ready. >> so he should have been ready. >> but i think this has beeniy. >> so he should have been ready. >> but i think this has been i'm sure is this has been this sure this is this has been this has been marinating. sure this is this has been this hasthisn marinating. sure this is this has been this hasthis is narinating. sure this is this has been this hasthis is a|rinating. sure this is this has been this hasthis is a hallmark for weeks >> this is a hallmark for weeks of of sunak's leadership >> this is a hallmark for weeks of he)f sunak's leadership >> this is a hallmark for weeks of he lets1nak's leadership >> this is a hallmark for weeks of he lets things eadership >> this is a hallmark for weeks of he lets things eade and! is that he lets things drift and he things and then he he lets things drift and then he makes a decision and it's usually wrong one. >> you know why this also cast rishi sunak in a weak light is

because looks like needs. because it looks like he needs. he's the guy used do the he's the guy that used to do the to job in be both his to job come in and be both his friend ally and adviser friend and ally and adviser because drowning in his because he's drowning in his hand, who's older than him, taller hand, who's older than him, tallir hand, who's older than him, talli know silly thing to >> i know it's a silly thing to think about, but the pictures are going to look. think about, but the pictures are cameron look. think about, but the pictures are cameron is ok. think about, but the pictures are cameron is over six foot. >> cameron is over six foot. >> cameron is over six foot. >> cameron is over six foot. >> cameron is over six. i get that. >> he's a big, impressive figure of i have to say, of a man and i have to say, cameron, when he walks in a room, an aura about him room, there is an aura about him that way. that always was in the way. there isn't, i'm afraid. with keir starmer, you don't even nofice keir starmer, you don't even notice he's in the notice when he's walked in the room. i'm it's room. but also, i'm afraid it's a with the prime a bit difficult with the prime minister you don't always know he's you he's in the room because you can't him. he's in the room because you canyou him. he's in the room because you canyou can't|. him. i remember >> you can't see him. i remember watching the conference speech >> you can't see him. i remember wat(weg the conference speech >> you can't see him. i remember wat(we weren't nference speech >> you can't see him. i remember wat(we weren't sure nce speech >> you can't see him. i remember wat(we weren't sure whetherch >> you can't see him. i remember wat(we weren't sure whether he and we weren't sure whether he was the yet. was at the podium yet. >> we want to say one thing. >> oh, we want to say one thing. >> oh, we want to say one thing. >> a woman say >> a woman can say it. >> a woman can say it. >> absolutely. get cancer. >> absolutely. i'll get cancer. but thing, one thing that i but one thing, one thing that i think watch think is interesting to watch this afternoon is whether he promotes what probably the promotes in what probably the final just promotes m ates. so like mates. so like claire >> so people like claire cortina, who the public have never a never heard of. yeah. but is a great or whether he great mate of his or whether he bnngs great mate of his or whether he brings some other older, wiser people back in. >> got get >> i still think he's got to get rid of the chancellor because

the need a tory the tories need a tory chancellor, chancellor chancellor, not a chancellor who frankly not out frankly would not be out of place mate. place with its best mate. >> hunt are really >> cameron and hunt are really good they very close. >> they were. >> they were. >> they were. know >> they were. know were. >> they were. i know they were. but i think they need a tory chance who's take the chance who's going to take the plunge i'm cutting plunge and say, i'm cutting taxes. jeremy hunt will do taxes. well jeremy hunt will do what's hunt is what's right for jeremy hunt is my well, he's to the >> well, he's going to lose the seat. he's all getting quite late. is going to late. jeremy hunt is going to pull together. pull his party back together. >> got autumn >> they've got the autumn statement next week. >> not going to save >> this is not going to save jeremy seat jeremy hunt seat his constituency in constituency has been split in half. it's to be the half. it's going to be the liberal democrats by a country very to of. very dangerous to get rid of. >> hunt suella >> jeremy hunt and suella braverman on same day. braverman on the same day. >> don't think he'll be >> yeah, i don't think he'll be going. could cause many problems on the statement. >> no. >> no. >> i think week. >> i think next week. >> i think next week. >> next week and they will have to in the >> next week and they will have to couple in the >> next week and they will have to couple of in the >> next week and they will have to couple of weeks. in the >> next week and they will have to couple of weeks. aren'the next couple of weeks. aren't you lucky gb at a time lucky to have gb news at a time like well, we have like this? well, we have wednesday supreme court, and wednesday the supreme court, and then wednesday have then the wednesday after we have then the wednesday after we have the which is the autumn statement, which is effectively a budget where effectively like a budget where he announce you he can announce tax cuts and you must chancellor, know must chancellor, because we know you're watching this programme, you've taxes. you're watching this programme, you got taxes. you're watching this programme, you got to taxes. you're watching this programme, you got to you've taxes. you're watching this programme, you got to you've gotzs. you're watching this programme, you got to you've got to for the >> got to you've got to for the sake country, not for the sake of the country, not for the sake of the country, not for the sake the tory party, for the

sake of the tory party, for the sake of the tory party, for the sake the country, because sake of the country, because we've biggest tax burden we've got the biggest tax burden in this country since the second world that should never world war. and that should never have watch have happened on a tory watch that labour that is higher than any labour government high. i accept that. it's unacceptable. it's and it's unacceptable. >> own for for >> it's huge own goal for for the the labour party the the the labour party at the moment i mean we could moment isn't it? i mean we could just literally throw kind of don't oppositions don't ask, don't oppositions don't win elections, government lose still sat here and >> and i'm still sat here and this is what i was saying, matthew, about fact that matthew, about the fact that keir starmer to cash keir starmer fails to cash in on these any these situations or make any sort merit of it. sort of merit out of it. >> i don't think he still hasn't tweeted. he hasn't tweeted. he still hasn't tweeted. he still hasn't twe he'll wait for the reshuffle. >> he'll wait for the reshuffle. >> he'll wait for the reshuffle. >> come >> i mean, david lammy has come out, that's wrong because we out, but that's wrong because we are about now. are talking about it right now. >> we've been talking about it since morning. since 930 this morning. >> david lammy could have said what starmer said. what keir starmer said. >> nothing. what keir starmer said. >> think nothing. what keir starmer said. >> think nothing! mean, >> i think a tweet i mean, a tweet be a good idea. tweet would be a good idea. >> so what's david lammy said? >> so what's david lammy said? >> lammy has said intellectual powerhouse course, the powerhouse who of course, the shadow last gasp act of it's the last gasp act of desperation from a government devoid ideas amid devoid of talent and ideas amid international crisis, sunak has chosen unelected failure from the past. >> for him to speak >> it's right for him to speak out because, of course, at the

dispatch not able out because, of course, at the disdebate not able out because, of course, at the disdebate with not able out because, of course, at the disdebate with icameron,.e to debate with david cameron, the foreign secretary, that the foreign secretary, and that is a democratic deficit is part of a democratic deficit which will be heavily criticised and rightly rightly so. >> and the question is who will take questions in the commons? >> secretary >> the shadow foreign secretary over that is. >> moment it looks >> well, at the moment it looks like talk that andrew like there's talk that andrew mitchell, who's the sort of the international development minister who is quite a senior figure, whip , figure, former chief whip, et cetera, well respected. cetera, will be well respected. why not have made him then why not done it? not have done it? >> exactly. >> exactly. >> why not? been elected >> why not? he's been elected him in two. >> stop talking. you have to stop talking. >> stop talking. you have to st0|up lking. >> stop talking. you have to st0|up next, it's gb news live >> up next, it's gb news live with carver. with pip tomson, emily carver. what's show? what's coming up on your show? i wonder if we can guess anything to reshuffle. guys to do with the reshuffle. guys >> we're >> andrew, guess what we're going about. going to be talking about. >> still plenty to >> but there is still plenty to be about because with be talking about because with this reshuffle, we know plenty of who are out, but of people who are out, but we need is need to know more about who is in health secretary, in is the health secretary, steve barclay , still going steve barclay, still going to remain post, example? remain in post, for example? >> yes. >> yes. >> and therese coffey, she's beenin >> and therese coffey, she's been in number 10, hasn't she? so know going so we want to know what's going on also to on with her and also want to hear viewers and hear from our viewers and listeners they make of listeners what they make of david to

cabinet. >> yeah, that was quite an announcement. plus, we live in manchester for the funeral of manu and england legend sir bobby charlton. well we can't wait for that. >> it's going to be great. so stay tuned to gb news all day because reshuffle is because the reshuffle is continuing and we will give you all latest. we are first all the latest. we are first with of course. with the news always, of course. >> sure back us >> make sure you're back with us tomorrow because there's tomorrow morning because there's going a of fallout tomorrow morning because there's goingthis. a of fallout tomorrow morning because there's goingthis. anything' fallout tomorrow morning because there's goingthis. anything coulth tomorrow morning because there's goingthis. anything could happen tomorrow morning because there's gothehis. anything could happen tomorrow morning because there's gothe moment. ing could happen tomorrow morning because there's gothe moment. let's)uld happen tomorrow morning because there's gothe moment. let's)uld it.)pen at the moment. let's face it. we'll be back 930 tomorrow we'll be back at 930 tomorrow morning. we'll morning. but until then, we'll hand you then, hand over to pip. see you then, emily. great day . emily. have a great day. >> i'm alex deakin . this is your >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news storm. >> debbie is affecting some parts of the uk today named by met eireann , the irish weather met eireann, the irish weather service. >> providing some very >> but providing some very strong of over parts strong gust of wind over parts of england. of north—west england. >> itself heading into >> the storm itself heading into scotland, the strongest scotland, but the strongest winds where the isobars are squeezing together here over parts northern england and parts of northern england and north amber in north wales and amber warning in place for north—west england. but other yellow are but other yellow warnings are also place and rain also in place for wind and rain as that storm system moves

through a very wet and blustery afternoon over northern england. gusts of 60 to 70 miles an hour on coast north—west on the coast of north—west england, maybe even a little bit more. those gusts more. and inland, those gusts could as could cause some disruption as well . blustery in the south with well. blustery in the south with a mixture of sunshine and a few scattered showers. >> the eastern scotland >> the rain in eastern scotland will continue through the day and evening. will continue through the day ancit evening. will continue through the day ancit should evening. will continue through the day ancit should starting. will continue through the day ancit should start top will continue through the day ancit should start to ease >> it should start to ease overnight, still potentially overnight, but still potentially causing . more causing further problems. more showers then packing in across the central parts of the uk. some clearer spells in the east. and then we're looking to down the some very and then we're looking to down the rain some very and then we're looking to down the rain coming some very and then we're looking to down the rain coming inyme very and then we're looking to down the rain coming in here'ery and then we're looking to down the rain coming in here by�* heavy rain coming in here by dawn. temperature wise, mostly holding in double digits holding up in double digits across the far south. single figures further a little figures further north, a little chilly in northern scotland, but a very start parts of a very wet start for parts of southern tomorrow. not southern england tomorrow. not lasting long, this band of lasting long, but this band of rain be pretty intense with rain will be pretty intense with some winds and may some very gusty winds and may cause some issues during the morning that morning rush hour before that scoots again, scoots away. and then again, we're left with showers, plenty of scotland. of them across scotland. northern ireland some decent northern ireland and some decent spells in the spells of sunshine in the afternoon the south. but afternoon across the south. but still most places breezy

>> good afternoon. it is just before midday and you're with gb news live with pip tomson and emily carver coming up this monday lunchtime on a monumental reshuffle from rishi sunak, which sees former prime minister david cameron appointed as foreign secretary >> it's a remarkable return to the frontline politics after his resignation. of course ,

resignation. of course, following the brexit referendum back in 2016. speaking after his appointment, the new foreign secretary, david cameron, said he may have disagreed with some individual decisions made by rishi sunak. he added he is rishi sunak. but he added he is a strong and capable prime minister showing exemplary leadership at a difficult time . leadership at a difficult time. >> now all this comes as suella braverman is sacked following days of speculation. after that newspaper article last week , she newspaper article last week, she said serving as home secretary was the greatest privilege of her life and she'll have more to say in due course. we'll be bringing you all the latest live from downing street . at from downing street. at >> and in other news, we'll be live in manchester for the funeral of man united and england legend sir bobby charlton, who died sadly last month, aged 86. before all of that, though, it is your latest headunes that, though, it is your latest headlines with sophia .