>> good morning. it's 930 on wednesday, the 15th of november. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner rwanda. >> verdict in coming. that's the big story this morning. the supreme court will rule whether or not the government's migrant supreme court will rule whether or nois:he government's migrant supreme court will rule whether or nois lawfulernment's migrant supreme court will rule whether or nois lawful .'nment's migrant supreme court will rule whether or nois lawful . we'llt's migrant supreme court will rule whether or nois lawful . we'll bring grant supreme court will rule whether or nois lawful . we'll bring yout plan is lawful. we'll bring you all the expert analysis before going live to the court at 10 am. and that's where our home and security editor mark white is. well it's 19 months since

bofis is. well it's 19 months since boris johnson first announced the rwanda plan . the rwanda plan. >> and today, finally , it's >> and today, finally, it's crunch day. but if that decision here at the supreme court goes against, the government will then , according to the former then, according to the former home secretary say there is no plan b, and talking of the former home secretary, suella braverman, she after being sacked, she said the prime minister in her resignation letter has repeatedly failed on key policies, broken pledges over immigration. >> she's also effectively said he's a liar. we're going to get reaction from top tory mps throughout the morning and your views to inflation falls sharply. >> good financial news this morning. inflation fell to 4.6% in october, down from 6.7% in september. this means that the government target to halve inflation by the end of the year has nearly been . met

has nearly been. met an ordinary that would be great news and the government would be singing it from the rooftops, although they're not very good about their own praises. about singing their own praises. >> everything is about the >> but everything is about the toxic between the home toxic toxic row between the home secretary secretary secretary former home secretary and what's going to and rishi, and what's going to happen . i'm not happen with rwanda. i'm not a betting but suspect it's betting man, but i suspect it's going to be disappointing. >> well, suella braverman said in letter that in her letter yesterday that even gets the green light even if it gets the green light and we can start and even if we can start deporting people who've arrived and even if we can start depo by|g people who've arrived and even if we can start depo by unauthorisedi've arrived and even if we can start depo by unauthorised means, led and even if we can start depoby unauthorised means, she here by unauthorised means, she doesn't think it's going to be that doesn't that that simple. why doesn't that surprise your surprise us.7 let us know your thoughts gb views thoughts this morning. gb views at gbnews.com. first, though, you're very latest news with sophia . sophia. >> good morning. it's 932. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. a supreme court decision on whether the government's rwanda policy is lawful is expected in the next hour . downing street the next hour. downing street says deporting asylum seekers

who arrive in the country illegally is a crucial part of the prime minister's plan to stop the boats in her resignation letter, former home secretary suella braverman warned rishi sunak has no credible backup plan to stop channel crossings immigration lawyer harjeet singh bhangal told gb news she's just throwing her toys out of the pram suella letter she seems to try and be covering all bases , is claiming covering all bases, is claiming it's not my fault. >> governor sort of approach that if we win, we still can't enforce it. well then why have you been pursuing this policy? and this is a policy that suella has championed and now all of a sudden she's saying covering all bases, throwing her toys out of pram like a little child. her letter was blaming rishi. and i think rishi has realised, look, perhaps going the suella way isn't going to win him an election and now he's just going to try and do things his way. >> mps are expected to vote on calls for a ceasefire in gaza later today . the snp put forward

later today. the snp put forward an amendment to the king's speech demanding a truce as israel's bombardment of the territory continues. labour says it won't engage with what it calls party political game playing . sir keir starmer will playing. sir keir starmer will instead table a motion calling for longer pauses in fighting, highlighting concerns over the number of civilians killed and in gaza, the israeli military says it's carrying out a precise and targeted operation against hamas in the city's largest hospital. thousands of civilians, both patients and medical staff, have been trapped at the al shifa for weeks during fighting. it says it launched the raid because hamas has a command centre underneath and uses tunnels to conceal military operations and hold hostages. hamas denies it. the idf said its forces have provided incubators and baby food, which have reached the hospital . have reached the hospital. inflation fell sharply in october to its lowest rate in two years. consumer price index inflation was 4.6% in october,

down 2.1% from the month before . down 2.1% from the month before. the prime minister says he's delivered on his pledge to halve inflation by the end of the yean inflation by the end of the year, but fiscal discipline will remain to get it down to 2. economists point to house prices, interest rates and a drop in energy price cap as the main reasons for the slowdown . main reasons for the slowdown. but chancellor jeremy hunt says the government is beating inflation. >> in january , the prime >> in january, the prime minister said that his number one pledge was to halve inflation. people at the time said that was going to be easy to deliver. it would happen automatic only. we now know that wasn't the case. we took some very difficult decisions to control borrowing and debt , and control borrowing and debt, and we have now delivered that pledge a whole month early . pledge a whole month early. there's lots more work to do. we still have to bring inflation down target level of 2. down to its target level of 2. but now we are beginning to win the battle against . inflation the battle against. inflation >> and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com. now it's .

website at gbnews.com. now it's. very good morning. >> it's 936. it is a massive day for great britain in the next half. an hour, the supreme court is set to give its decision on whether government plans to deport asylum seekers to rwanda is lawful. our political correspondent olivia utley has this report . this report. >> june 20th, 22 and all eyes were glued to live coverage of a plane sat on the runway at boscombe down military base in wiltshire. the boeing 767 was scheduled to fly the first group of illegal migrants to kigali, the capital of rwanda . but after the capital of rwanda. but after a few hours, it became clear that the plane and the migrants were . legal were going nowhere. legal challenges, including one from the european court of human rights, meant the small number of passengers on the plane had been whittled down to none at all. it was an embarrassing blow for the then government of boris johnson, the johnson, who dreamt up the scheme channel scheme to stop channel crossings. then , crossings. and since then, flights have been on hold as legal progressed

legal challenges progressed through but that through the courts. but that hasn't dampened government enthusiasm for the policy with current minister rishi current prime minister rishi sunak the plan at the sunak putting the plan at the centre of his stop. the boats promise we will pass new laws to stop small boats making sure that if you come to this country illegally, you are detained and swiftly removed . last december swiftly removed. last december there was some good news for the government when the high court ruled that the plan was lawful . ruled that the plan was lawful. however, that decision was overturned six months later when appeal court judges decided that rwanda is not a safe country. but the government has kept pushing and today's judgement marks the end of this slow legal process , with the supreme court process, with the supreme court having to decide if the government is entitled to determine whether rwanda is safe for migrants or not. either way, rishi sunak has indicated that if he wins, he'll ignore any migrant appeals and injunctions from the echr, all of which mean the next flight might actually leave the runway. and that is when the true test would begin. but if the government loses, the

last three years will have been for nothing. the small boats will keep coming and the rwanda policy effectively be dead policy will effectively be dead in the water. olivia uttley . gb news. >> and of course, we will bring you live when we get the supreme court ruling. and of course, the whole thing now has been clouded by the explosive resignation letter from suella braverman as home in she's home secretary in which she's effectively accused sunak effectively accused rishi sunak of breaking promises as effectively she's called into question his integrity. so let's not be quite so posh about it. she effectively she said he's a liar. well, that was a criticism regularly of johnson in regularly of boris johnson in the studio with us. and he can't stop smiling, can't stop smiling at richard tice, who is the leader uk. richard leader of reform uk. richard before we talk to you about the supreme court, suella braverman must be the best recruiting sergeant you've ever, ever had. >> no, actually, the prime minister is. i sent him a tweet last night thanking him for his service to reform uk. i've offered to put him on a commission deal. we've got so many members and extra

many new members and extra donations. look, a donations. but look, from a serious point of view, this is the thing rwanda the thing this rwanda ruling suella has confirmed suella braverman has confirmed makes no difference . and makes no difference. and everybody assumes if the government wins , the planes will government wins, the planes will take off. confirmed in her take off. she's confirmed in her letter. the bottom of page two that average claimant will that the average claimant will still be entitled to months of process, challenge and appeal, and that the prime minister basically overruled the former home secretary. and he is he is sticking to these european rule. 39 indications she wanted a plan b, she wanted a notwithstanding clause. she is a she's a lawyer. she understands how this works. right. she wanted a back up plan. he's supposed to be a successful businessperson. he's shown himself to be utterly clueless . he's got no plan shown himself to be utterly clueless. he's got no plan b, no plan c, he's relying on plan a, even if plan a works , they're even if plan a works, they're still going to be hearing months and months and then there's going to be a general get to the nub of why she says even if they say to it, richard, why it say yes to it, richard, why it will still enable people will still enable these people to courts up with

to clog the courts up with appeals and delays, all on legal aid. >> i might add. it's because of the human rights. >> that's right. you see, >> that's right. and you see, this our supreme court. but this is our supreme court. but the human the european court of human rights stands . rights ruling still stands. that's right. that's the that's right. right. that's the point. there's a thing point. and there's a thing called rule 39. it's very technical she's technical. but what she's basically is that the basically saying is that the assumption the british people assumption of the british people that the government wins in that if the government wins in the planes the supreme court, the planes take the wrong take off. that is the wrong assumption. that a massive assumption. that is a massive shock everybody. so this shock to everybody. so this ruling a lose for the ruling is a lose lose for the british people. and if we didn't have to leave the european court of human rights to have what she wanted, we just could have have a derogation that she could have put into the legislation that actually notwithstanding any other international law or indeed our own human rights act this is what would happen. so it had been one sentence would have done it, but the prime minister overruled her. he rejected that. he doesn't believe in this thing. he and as you just indicated, basically, he not only her, but much more only misled her, but much more importantly at best, he's misled

the british people. at worst, he's deliberately lied to the british people for months and months and months. and i think people will be absolutely appalled . appalled. >> and she basically says he doesn't care about immigration. he doesn't care about lots of issues in this country. that's that's what you read into this completely when she sort of speculating about his reticence isn't she? and she says she kind of says can conclude is of says all i can conclude is that, know, isn't that, you know, this isn't important very important to you, which very much into this idea for me much plays into this idea for me that sunak there. he'll that rishi sunak is there. he'll leave government one day. he'll have houses in six countries. he's globalist. he's, he's a globalist. he's, you know, technocratic know, he's a technocratic managing director of a subsidiary of a big multinational corporation. >> and here she says, you never had any intention an of keeping your promises. it's absolutely seismic. what she has said . and seismic. what she has said. and but it's not just the prime minister. you look at the cabinet full of people who voted remain , despite the fact that remain, despite the fact that the whole point is even more now. we were supposed to get brexit done, take advantage of

all the brexit opportunities. that's all out the window. so the prime minister has got rid of brexiteers , brought in of brexiteers, brought in remainers, including now lord cameron . i struggle to say that. cameron. i struggle to say that. i must say yeah. and so and there's no one in that cabinet who believes in controlling our borders , who seriously believes borders, who seriously believes in significant reducing inflation. sorry immigration. >> you don't buy the idea that rishi sunak is fully charged committed brexiteer what's james cleverly ever said of note about immigration? >> either lawful or unlawful. if you don't know, you don't know. and i don't know. he said. nothing and i think that's pretty shocking given the clear indication from conservative voters. >> there was some speculation yesterday, richard tice that suella braverman might be hotfooting it to the door of reform to give you a big boost of some, you know, some some very powerful experience that she brings to this joining him . she brings to this joining him. >> he wishes she was. >> he wishes she was. >> i'm you can tell us i'm grinning from ear to but grinning from ear to ear but obviously i'm not going to give a running commentary even my

a running commentary even to my closest friends what's going closest friends on what's going on behind the scenes. >> sticking tory >> she's sticking in the tory party because she thinks she's the leader and she may the next tory leader and she may be. >> at the last >> well, look at the last sentence. she will support the government pursuit of government in pursuit of policies that with an policies that align with an authentic conservative agenda . authentic conservative agenda. so that's the implication. there is that this government does not have an authentic conservative agenda. she's not alone in thinking . thinking. >> would it have been different if boris johnson was still prime minister >> would it have been different? >> would it have been different? >> we are today, yes, possibly. >> we are today, yes, possibly. >> i mean, i think i think boris is he is much more in touch with the red wall voters, people who voted conservative for the first time in 2019. well, he was in 2019. >> we don't know if he still is in touch with the red walls. no but. >> well, he was at least he was at some point. yeah. yeah. the current prime minister has never beenin current prime minister has never been in touch with the red, red wall voters. let's be absolutely clear on and i think that clear on that. and i think that essentially he's done, he's essentially what he's done, he's basically abandoned them. and

with this new cabinet, with david cameron back, he's basically actually it's changed to not future, but changed to not the future, but changed backwards . back to old lord. backwards. back to the old lord. i'm so sorry. how really terrible it is. >> it's a big day, as we know. we've got the clock counting down this rwanda ruling. down here to this rwanda ruling. let's to our home security let's go to our home security editor staying editor mark white is staying with us. yes. don't go anywhere, richard, outside the richard, who's outside the supreme and we're supreme court. and we're expecting a.m. expecting this ruling at 10 am. good mark. just remind good morning, mark. just remind our viewers how we this our viewers how we got to this point significant today point and how significant today is . is. >> yeah, we got to this point through boris johnson and the then home secretary priti patel, back in april of 2022 when they announced the rwanda deal, back in april of 2022 when they announced the rwanda deal , they announced the rwanda deal, they believed that this policy would believed that this policy would be a policy that would break the people's smuggling model by ensuring that potentially thousands of people who crossed the channel illegally in small boats would then be sent off to

rwanda for processing. and that , rwanda for processing. and that, they believed, would be enough of a disincentive for those trying to make that crossing. if they thought they would end up in rwanda, rather than the uk, that it would break the model remains to be seen it ever remains to be seen if it ever gets the ground. whether gets off the ground. whether that true in the end, whether that is true in the end, whether that is true in the end, whether that would do it whether that would do it or whether actually the people smugglers would just have calculate would just have to calculate that your chances of going to rwanda are still relatively small in the scheme of things, andifs small in the scheme of things, and it's not really going to do that much to dent that model. but clearly the government wants at least to give rwanda a shot, and that's why we are now at the end , hopefully of a very long end, hopefully of a very long and drawn out legal process which will come with this decision handed down by the supreme court just after 10:00 this morning. lord reed, the president of the supreme court , president of the supreme court, will hand out judgement down. he's got a couple of other judgements that he's got to read

out , first of all, and then out, first of all, and then he'll get to that one. we think about 10:05 or so and it may be about 10:05 or so and it may be about 15 to 20 minutes long. that judgement . now some of the that judgement. now some of the key issues that they are exploring , the supreme court, exploring, the supreme court, that was raised by those who are are opposed to the rwanda deal is whether the rwanda processing of asylum seekers is robust enough, whether that potential process could actually end up in some of these people who are being sent to rwanda. being turned down for asylum and then being returned to their country of origin. and that country of origin, they claim, could be a dangerous country for these people to be sent back to. so that's one thing that the supreme court is trying to determine whether those process cases are robust enough and whether there is sufficient oversight of those processes . oversight of those processes. what goes in rwanda's favour? and indeed, the british

government's favour is that rwanda has said consistently that it rwanda has said consistently thatitis rwanda has said consistently that it is willing to have third party overseers on the ground throughout this process looking at the way in which they are managing these applications, determining whether these applications are actually processed properly so that they've got that third party oversight. so they hope that will be enough for the supreme court to rule in the favour of the government. and this rwanda policy . but as i say, some other policy. but as i say, some other issues around the likes of whether rwanda is a safe enough country to send people to as well . i was there actually with well. i was there actually with suella braverman a few months back and that was an interesting visit. it's clearly pretty impressive of what they have put in place in the capital, kigali . in place in the capital, kigali. we didn't get to see really what the processing process measures were like and how robust they might be. but in terms of

accommodation option, certainly they are making strides in getting accommodation levels for those that are going to be sent there . there. >> mark white there as we know, this will be this will be happening in probably less than 12 minutes or so thereabouts. so don't go anywhere. we're hoping for good news and more good news. who knew inflation is lower than expected? liam halligan has the breakdown of all the numbers . all the numbers. >> inflation is down sharply. and how that's due to hard decisions and fiscal discipline, says chancellor jeremy hunt. those hard decisions , including those hard decisions, including 14 successive interest rate rises from the bank of england and those fiscal disciplines, meaning no tax cuts and lower government spending. here are the numbers . in october 2023 the numbers. in october 2023 prices, according to the consumer price index, were 4.6% higher than in october 2022.

that sharply down from 6.7% inflation in september and the peak of 11.1% this time last yearin peak of 11.1% this time last year in october 2022. rishi sunak fulfilled his pledge of halving inflation from 10.1% in january by the end of the year. but by international standards, uk inflation is still pretty chunky. there's our 4.6% number. compare that to the eurozone on the continent , 2.9% inflation the continent, 2.9% inflation for october. there and the us inflation number which came out yesterday, 3.2. so we are still a bit of an outlier when it comes to price pressures and those price pressures are felt most keenly in food price inflation. food price inflation is still 10.1. if we can change the slide that's up, that's down from 12.1% in september. but that's still very, very high. and in fact , at the office for and in fact, at the office for national statistics in the fine print of its press release at

7:00 this morning, disclosed that food prices on average are up 30% since october 2021. pretty eye—watering, a 30% increase in food prices over just two years. electricity and gas prices, they are down quite sharply, though, 31. household gas prices down since october last year. electric city costs down almost 16% since october last year . that's where a lot of last year. that's where a lot of this decrease in inflation in october is coming from. also fuel prices, when you're filling up your car or your van, pet oil was 55, £1.50 5.1 in october. that's down from 160 3.6 in october 2022. and diesel was similarly down in some motor fuel prices, down 7.6% in october compared to october last year. october compared to october last year . so what october compared to october last year. so what is the bank of england now going to do? the next meeting of the monetary policy committee, that's the middle december , just middle of december, just before christmas, the 14th.

christmas, thursday, the 14th. interest rates have been held at 5.25% since august . mortgage 5.25% since august. mortgage rates are now coming down, dipping below 5% for two year fixes. that's a bit of a benchmark. and i would say now there will be no more interest rate rises unless something weird happens and what could happen that is weird. geopolitics. that's what could happen. geopolitics. that's what could happen . there could be a spike happen. there could be a spike in oil prices this winter if the opec oil exporters cartel wants to make life difficult for oil importers like the uk, there could be a sharp rise in gas pnces could be a sharp rise in gas prices linked again , not only to prices linked again, not only to middle east violence , but also middle east violence, but also to the ongoing russia ukraine war. but the base scenario is that inflation is down and it's going to carry on coming down and there'll be no more interest rate rises. while it's welcome news that prices are no longer rising as quickly, we know many people are continuing to struggle, said prime minister rishi sunak in response to these numbers, people feel better numbers, will people feel better off at the time of the general

election because of this lower inflation? the tories certainly hope so. >> all right . hope so. >> all right. thank you. that's liam halligan our economics and business editor. back to the incoming rwanda rooney. we're going to talk a human rights going to talk to a human rights lawyer now, dr. shoaib khan. dr. khan, obviously your second guessing the supreme court guessing what the supreme court is going to say if they say yes, there'll be quite a lot of people cheering it. i suspect you won't be one of them. >> i won't. indeed, i think that would be absolutely tragic. >> why would it be tragic ? >> why would it be tragic? >> why would it be tragic? >> yes. i mean, i think obviously, this was very much priti patel's idea. she brought it in suella braverman paul coyte and ran with it. and now even now we look at suella braverman resignation letter. we've seen generally, you know, how important this seems to be for the government. they seem to be staking their reputations on it . but obviously, i mean, it. but obviously, i mean, i think it would be a, you know, a very depressing thing, really, of the supreme court upheld this. obviously, they have to look at it from a purely legal

point of view. so, you know, whichever go , they whichever way they go, they would following the law. but would be following the law. but i would be wrong if we i think it would be wrong if we are able to put the scheme into place. >> well, you haven't explained why. >> yeah, mainly because i mean, i think from what we know of rwanda's history, obviously the main thing that the supreme court will looking today court will be looking at today is, rwanda safe place for is, is rwanda safe place for these people? and i think what we've before, know, the we've seen before, you know, the firing ammunition on firing of live ammunition on asylum seekers, israel, of all countries and israel with their human rights record, they were the only country that have tried this before . and it was a, you this before. and it was a, you know, a cat strophic failure. they gave up it just didn't work. and now we have other european countries, other countries who are following our lead . unfortunately, on this . lead. unfortunately, on this. and but even they aren't going so far. what they're is so far. what they're saying is that send people rwanda that we send people to rwanda for then if the for processing. then if the asylum claim is successful , they asylum claim is successful, they come back to those european countries. if the asylum countries. and if the asylum claims fail, they get sent back to their own countries. but the

scheme is that even if the asylum claims are successful, they then spend their they would then spend their whole lives the rest of their lives, settle in rwanda. and i think disgraceful . if think that's disgraceful. if they're here to seek they're coming here to seek asylum , if part of the asylum, if we're part of the refugee convention and international allow international laws that allow for refugee status , for someone for refugee status, for someone coming here to seek refuge , we coming here to seek refuge, we should be the ones accommodating them. >> okay. all right. thank you , >> okay. all right. thank you, dr. shabab. khan there we are still joined in the studio by richard tice listening to show up.then richard tice listening to show up. then it would have been nice to have a little more time to press that. but actually, press him on that. but actually, his is not that people his objection is not that people are sent elsewhere. it's the fact sent to fact that they're sent to rwanda. we heard from mark rwanda. as we heard from mark white there a very much white there it is a very much a developed , developing such developed, developing such developed, developing such developed nation. it's a lot developed nation. it's got a lot of investment in great of investment in it, great accommodation, growth accommodation, huge gdp growth and un itself has and actually the un itself has separately in a different report , praised rwanda for the quality of its refugee program for people leaving other african countries . countries. >> the double standards, the absolute hypocrisy of this . and

absolute hypocrisy of this. and it's funny, isn't it? we've now got european eu nations who are looking at a similar route and style, including germany , style, including germany, including germany, which started because? because the asylum system is completely chaotic , system is completely chaotic, out of control across the whole of the eu and as i was talking about last night, here's the thing. no one's yet properly talking about schengen talking about the schengen system of free movement across the eurozone is buckling. it's breaking . it's about to breaking. it's about to completely collapse . completely collapse. >> just explain. so people remind people what the shannon agreement is. and i think it's 11 countries so far are having. >> that's right. this is essentially the agreement within member states of the eu where you can move without any form of border checks between almost all of the eu nations. i think i'm right that that ireland ireland is not part of the schengen zone . we were never part of the schengen zone , but within schengen zone, but within mainland europe, almost everybody is. and it is it has been without question ,

been without question, significantly responsible for the rapid movement of illegal migrants through italy up through into the rest of europe, and causing huge, huge problems for citizens throughout all those countries. >> one of the issues that's caused huge immigration problems with immigration and the great influx migrants, influx of migrants, richard, i would argue is the fact would argue too, is the fact that libya has gone from a country run by a dictatorship in the form of gaddafi, but into a basket that is as a result basket case that is as a result of a military conflict engineered by the french president and our new foreign secretary and lord cameron. >> and that's the point actually . i mean, what we did in libya hasn't had the sort of scrutiny that tony blair and george bush had with what happened in iraq, arguably , libya has caused as arguably, libya has caused as much or more destabilisation . much or more destabilisation. and the truth is that david cameron's foreign policy record, almost at every level was utterly woeful, a complete failure. and now he's the foreign secretary. >> so why? why is rishi sunak

brought him in? what does he think he's bringing? >> it's a really good question. i think he just feels comfortable with with nice, well—educated and well—spoken , well—educated and well—spoken, elitist globalist. it makes him feel sort of cosy and comfortable. so you've got jeremy hunt and now you've got david cameron and now it's just the whole thing, i think is it's exactly the opposite of what the british people expect. it's exactly the opposite of what he pledged at his party conference. you know, i'm the change candidate . yeah, we're going candidate. yeah, we're going backwards, prime minister, not forwards. so so, yeah, it is extraordinary. if i was to cut him some slack, i would say he would say that cameron brings experience. yeah. experience and failure . failure. >> well, there is that this is the guy. >> this is the guy who kowtowed to china, right? he wanted more russian money. he's in russian money. he's failed in his negotiations brussels. his negotiations with brussels. we've on the libya we've just touched on the libya disaster. thought had the disaster. he thought he had the votes the house of commons on votes in the house of commons on on syria, almost anything he touched foreign policy touched on foreign policy was frankly a disaster. i mean, and

he doesn't know how to negotiate. if he negotiate rated a better deal with brussels. it may be that the british people might have voted differently in the if it's stopped the referendum if it's stopped freedom of movement, for example, for ten years, things may have very different. may have been very different. >> came with a >> yeah, he came back with a deal >> yeah, he came back with a deal. what it is . deal. i've forgotten what it is. forgive me. i've forgotten what it but he mentioned it once it is. but he mentioned it once in referendum campaign and in the referendum campaign and we from again we never heard from it again because knew was because everybody knew it was useless. absolutely right. >> shocked by the >> and he was shocked by the absolute caning it got in all of the all the sort of the papers the all the sort of the papers the following day. >> can't even remember what it was. >> it was utterly hopeless. the fact, the fact that you can't remember shows how hopeless was. >> yeah, i just. we genuinely are. look, we try to are. i mean, look, we try to support the conservative party when we can and this channel and we try also to be fair to all other parties as well. but it is becoming increasingly difficult to see anything that we can feel strongly about in terms of vote winning for the conservatives . winning for the conservatives. we had the king's speech with

very little in it. he's going to stop children growing up, being able to smoke. you know, the were some common sense elements in there in relation to crime and punishment stuff that and punishment and stuff that all seems like they should have done years ago. thank you. stuff they shouldn't years but it they shouldn't years ago. but it wasn't the press wasn't really stop the press stuff it certainly left stuff and it certainly left everybody a little bit everybody feeling a little bit sort of uninspired by the whole thing. just, you genuinely thing. is he just, you genuinely look rishi sunak, do you look at rishi sunak, do you think? given up? think? have you just given up? maybe doesn't. i'm not sure maybe he doesn't. i'm not sure he's that bothered about winning an election. no. he's that bothered about winning an thetion. no. he's that bothered about winning an thetion. i\about the king's >> the thing about the king's speech is it's supposed to an speech is it's supposed to be an opportunity to reset the agenda in what in an election year. what can people that's people take from that? that's going to make a real difference to my life. going to to my life. that's going to improve quality of living. improve my quality of living. i'm vote conservative. i'm going to vote conservative. that's what you would that's that's what you would expect position expect someone in his position to saying. and it doesn't to be saying. and it doesn't appeal. to be saying. and it doesn't appeal . everybody forgotten appeal. everybody has forgotten about completely insipid, about it completely insipid, very technocratic . even the king very technocratic. even the king himself looked bored reading it. >> frankly, this suspicion, this suspicion that rishi sunak is ambivalent about victory . ambivalent about victory. >> he is very much what comes

across from suella bravermans letter . she couldn't understand letter. she couldn't understand why he doesn't want to strengthen borders or come up with a plan b, the lack of passion in his belly, isn't it? that's what i mean when i say i'm not sure. he'll never. i've said before he'll never live here. he will have houses in six countries around the world. he'll. into the he'll. he'll ride off into the sunset. gazillionaire, sunset. being a gazillionaire, fundamental him. fundamental matter to him. >> manager. he's not >> he's a manager. he's not a leader. he's sales man. he leader. he's not a sales man. he hasn't got a vision. and he hasn't got a vision. and he hasn't got a vision. and he hasn't got any principles. he's just a manager of a situation and he just wants what he thinks are nice , comfortable people are nice, comfortable people around him . and that's that's around him. and that's that's where we're at. and the country is in crisis. the country is broken. he doesn't need management . it needs shaking management. it needs shaking from top to bottom . from top to bottom. >> would you want a general election now? >> look, ready for it. are you? >> absolutely. not quite, though, richard tice, though, right, richard tice, you'd like a few more you'd probably like a few more months a few more good months to get a few more good people in a few seats. well, look, the truth is, i mean, as every as every month goes by, polling is in the jungle.

>> look, our polling is going up and word is spreading. i'm saying to all of our team, we need to get ready because anything could happen. it's quite possible there will be a may election. maybe the prime minister's of it and wants minister's bored of it and wants to do something else. who knows? >> a may election is >> i think a may election is very if the rwanda thing very likely. if the rwanda thing fails and we're going to go, we're to cross to the we're going to cross to the court, richard. we're going to go to the exactly go to the court. exactly >> that policy is it is not as is sometimes thought, a policy of sending asylum seekers overseas over claims for asylum in the uk are processed by the uk authorities . the home uk authorities. the home secretary's policy is that people claiming asylum in the uk will not have a claims decided by the uk authorities. instead they will be sent to rwanda , they will be sent to rwanda, where they can claim asylum in rwanda . their claims will be rwanda. their claims will be decided there by the rwandan authorities. if our claims are

successful, they will be granted asylum in rwanda . if their asylum in rwanda. if their claims are unsuccessful, rwanda is entitled to expel them from its territory . in this is entitled to expel them from its territory. in this appeal, the supreme court is required to decide whether that policy is lawful. that is a legal question which the court has to decide on the basis of the evidence and established legal principles. the court is not concerned with the political debate about the policy and nothing in its judgement should be regarded as supporting or or opposing any political view of the issues in view of the public importance of this appeal, the court has expedited the production of its judgement and as a result is able to give judgement within a shorter period of time than in most of its cases . as there is most of its cases. as there is a legal rule that refugee fees

must not be returned to their countries of origin , either countries of origin, either directly or indirect . only if a directly or indirect. only if a life or freedom would be threatened in that country. that rule is called the principle of non—refoulement . one of the non—refoulement. one of the consequences of the rule is that asylum seekers cannot be returned to their country . so we returned to their country. so we are none the wiser so far, richard . richard. >> oh, we've got him back, i think. >> well, be we have refugees and as i've explained, refugee laws must not be returned to their countries of origin . this legal countries of origin. this legal principle of non—refoulement is laid down in the united nations refugee convention to which the uk is a party. there are also provisions which have the same effect in other treaties to

which the uk is a party. the un convention against torture and other cruel , convention against torture and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment . the un degrading treatment. the un international covenant on civil and political rights and the european convention on human rights it is therefore not only the european convention on human rights, which is relevant to this case, as is sometimes thought . there are other thought. there are other international treaties which also prohibit the return . origin also prohibit the return. origin without doubt . these without doubt. these international treaties are reflect in our domestic law in the first place. there are several acts of parliament which give effect to the principle of non—refoulement as set out in the un refugee convention. they include the asylum and immigration appeals act of 1993.

the nationality immigration and asylum act of 2002 and the asylum act of 2002 and the asylum and immigration treatment of claimants , etcetera. act of of claimants, etcetera. act of 2004. there is also an act of parliament, the human rights act of 1998, which gives effect to the european convention on human rights again contrary to what is sometimes thought, the human rights act is not the only relevant legislation . in the relevant legislation. in the effect of a legislation in general terms is to prohibit the removal of asylum seekers whose claims have not been decided to a country where there are substantial grounds for believing that they would be at real risk of refoulement. the issue the court has to decide is whether the home secretary's policy breaches that prohibition

for the asylum claims with which this appeal is concerned. the bafis this appeal is concerned. the basis of the rwanda policy is contained in the home secretary's immigration rules, which are statements of administrative practice , which administrative practice, which under those rules , those asylum under those rules, those asylum claims can be treated as inadmissible. claims can be treated as inadmissible . well, if the inadmissible. well, if the claimants had the opportunity to apply for asylum in a safe third country but did not do so, the claimants case can then be removed to any safe third country which agrees to accept them . a country only qualifies them. a country only qualifies as a safe third country under the rules . if the principle of the rules. if the principle of non—refoulement is respected, there in accordance with the un refugee convention it is the next step which is controversial in these proceedings. next step which is controversial in these proceedings . that next step which is controversial in these proceedings. that is the home secretary's guidance to the home secretary's guidance to the officials who apply the

rules. but rwanda is a safe third country, i.e. that is to say, a country where asylum seekers will not be at risk of refoulement . a certificate and refoulement. a certificate and also her certificates to that effect under the relevant legislation , there is no dispute legislation, there is no dispute between the home secretary and the claimants in this case as to the claimants in this case as to the legal test which the court has to apply . the legal test which the court has to apply. the test is whether there are substantial grounds for believing that asylum seekers who are sent to rwanda will be at real risk of ill treatment as a consequence of refoulement . if there are no of refoulement. if there are no such grounds. the policy is lawful. if there are such grounds, the policy is unlawful . grounds, the policy is unlawful. it is argued on behalf of the home secretary that there are no substantial grounds for believing that asylum seekers who are sent to rwanda will be

at risk of reform . and a at risk of reform. and a memorandum of understanding has been entered into between the uk and rwandan governments, which includes as an undertaking that asylum seekers will not be subject to refoulement . although subject to refoulement. although the memorandum of understanding is not legally binding and cannot be relied on by asylum seekers. the home secretary says that rwanda can be relied on to comply with it. there are financial incentives for rwanda to comply with the memorandum and it establishes arrangements for monitoring rwanda's compliance as against that , compliance as against that, unhcr, the united nations refugee agency, has produced evidence of a number of deficiencies in the rwandan asylum system . the relevance of asylum system. the relevance of that evidence is that if claims

are not dealt with properly, then the genuine claims are liable to be wrongly refused . liable to be wrongly refused. and when claims are refused , and when claims are refused, rwanda is entitled under the memorandum to expel the claimants to any country where they have a right to reside . the they have a right to reside. the only country where most people have a right to reside is their country of origin . so if rwanda country of origin. so if rwanda does not have an adequate system for processing asylum claims, genuine refugees may be returned to their countries of origin. in other words, they may be subject to reform . and in addition, to reform. and in addition, unhcr has produced evidence of a substantial number of cases of refoulement of asylum seekers by the rwandan authorities , the rwandan authorities, including during the period since the memorandum of understanding with the uk was concluded and it has also produced evidence of rwanda's failure to comply with a similar

agreement which it entered into with israel . when this case came with israel. when this case came before the divisional court , it before the divisional court, it failed to give proper consideration to unhcr evidence that was a mistake . consideration to unhcr evidence that was a mistake. unhcr has unrivalled practical experience of the working of the asylum system in rwanda through two long years of involvement there and its evidence requires careful consideration in. so the court of appeal was right to overturn the high court's decision to and consider the evidence again for itself . it evidence again for itself. it concluded by a majority party that asylum seekers who are sent to rwanda are are at real risk of refoulement and that the policy is therefore unlawful . policy is therefore unlawful. the question for this court is whether they were entitled to reach that conclusion on the

evidence , the court of appeal evidence, the court of appeal based their conclusion on the following evidence. first, rwanda has has a poor human rights record and in recent times british police have had to warn rwandan nationals living in the uk of credible plans by the rwandan government to kill them in 2021. in the uk , government in 2021. in the uk, government criticised the rwanda government for extra judicial killings , for extra judicial killings, deaths in custody and forced disappearances and torture . disappearances and torture. there are also concern about media and political freedom in rwanda since rwanda has ratified many international human rights conventions . as this evidence conventions. as this evidence raises questions as to its compliance with its international obligations , it's international obligations, it's also relevant to the question

whether the rwandan courts can be expected to act independently of the rwandan government when deciding appeals against the rwandan government's decisions on asylum claims. rwandan government's decisions on asylum claims . secondly, on asylum claims. secondly, unhcr evidence is that there are systemic defects in rwanda procedures and institute organs for processing asylum claims , to for processing asylum claims, to mention only some of the points raised . and they include first raised. and they include first concerns about the asylum process itself, such as the lack of legal representation on the risk that judges and lawyers will not act independently of the government in politically sensitive cases. and the fact that the right of appeal to the high court, which has existed in theory since 2018, has never in fact been exercised . secondly, fact been exercised. secondly,

rwanda's . 100% rate of rejection rwanda's. 100% rate of rejection of asylum claims from countries in known conflict zones from which asylum seekers removed from the uk may well come, such as syria or yemen and afghanistan . although the uk afghanistan. although the uk authorities judges often find that such claims are well founded . thirdly, rwanda's founded. thirdly, rwanda's practice of refoulement , of practice of refoulement, of which unhcr gave over a hundred examples which continued during the period after the uk's agreement with rwanda was concluded . and fourthly , the concluded. and fourthly, the rwandan government's apparent misunderstood standing of its obugafions misunderstood standing of its obligations under the refugee convention . the third matter convention. the third matter raised is in unhcr evidence is rwanda's failure to fulfil undertakings which it gave to the government of israel under an agreement for the removal of

asylum seekers from israel to rwanda, which operated between 2013 and 2018. in in terms of the agreement, asylum seekers sent from israel to rwanda were to be allowed to claim asylum there , and there was an explicit there, and there was an explicit undertaking by rwanda to comply with the principle of non—refoulement , and the non—refoulement, and the agreement was therefore similar in those respects to rwanda's agreement with the uk , despite agreement with the uk, despite the terms of the agreement, asylum seekers who were sent to rwanda by the israeli government were routinely moved clandestinely to a neighbouring country from which they were liable to be recalled , and that liable to be recalled, and that evidence is not contradicted . evidence is not contradicted. and it raises a serious question as to whether the undertakings given by rwanda under its agreement with the uk government can be relied on. as i've

explained to the legal test, which has to be applied in this case, is whether there are substantial grounds for believing that asylum seekers sent to rwanda would be at real risk of refoulement . and in the risk of refoulement. and in the light of the evidence which i have summarised , the court of have summarised, the court of appeal concluded that there were such grounds . we are unanimous such grounds. we are unanimous of the view that they were entitled to reach that conclusion . ian indeed , having conclusion. ian indeed, having been taken through the evidence ourselves, we agree with the conclusion then we accept the home secretary's submission that the rwandan government entered into the agreement in good faith and that the capacity of the rwandan system to produce accurate and fair decisions can and will be built up. nevertheless asking ourselves whether there were substantial grounds for believing that a

real risk of reform existed at the relevant time. we have concluded that there were the changes needed to eliminate the risk of reform and may be delivered in the future. but they have not been shown to be in place now the home secretary's appeal is therefore dismiss , but there is also dismiss, but there is also a cross appeal on behalf of one of the asylum claimants who argues that the rwandan policy is in breach of retained eu law as well as being unlawful for the reasons that i've already explained . we reject that explained. we reject that argument on the basis that under an act of parliament enacted in 2020, the eu provisions in question ceased to have effect at the end of that year. question ceased to have effect at the end of that year . the at the end of that year. the cross appeal is therefore also dismissed . the court will now

dismissed. the court will now adjourn well . adjourn well. >> well, that was lord reid there at the supreme court . so there at the supreme court. so surprise supporting . the last surprise supporting. the last conclusion that the rwanda processing plan cannot go ahead . processing plan cannot go ahead. let us go to our home and security editor, mark white outside the supreme court . now, outside the supreme court. now, mark, if we've understood that correctly, it looks like it is this process of re enforcement, which is a word that we're all learning, which is basically saying that if an if an asylum seeker will be prosecuted in their own home country , then their own home country, then they cannot be sent back . and they cannot be sent back. and there is not faith that there rwandan services , the judiciary rwandan services, the judiciary in rwanda, would be able to make that judgement correctly and therefore we are not going to be sending anybody there. is that a fairly basic summation of what just happened? mark yes. >> yeah. i mean, this is disaster for the government

because as the former home secretary suella braverman has said herself, there is no plan b , the government bet the house on rwanda as being the one policy that they believed would act as a deterrent to those people smugglers across the channel and the court of appeal. and now, of course, the supreme court relied a good part of the evidence from from the unhcr , evidence from from the unhcr, the united nations high commissioner for refugees, who gave evidence that rwanda had in the past. as far as a deal, a similar deal with israel's concerned, failed to live up to its obligations to properly process those asylum seekers in those instances, and they were at risk of fulfilment . yes, as at risk of fulfilment. yes, as you say , of these people being you say, of these people being returned to their home countries , liz, where they could be at risk in those nations. they were

returned to the supreme court said that they have no doubt that rwanda did enter into this agreement with, you know , all of agreement with, you know, all of the proper intention to carry out their their function, to process these to process these sorry about this, to process the applications for asylum applications for asylum applications properly . but at applications properly. but at this stage, the supreme court does not believe that that rwanda is capable of fully meeting all of its obligations here in processing these asylum applications properly, and that there is a risk that people could be returned to them, their home countries and as such, they could be at risk in those home countries. so now that, of course, is for the new home secretary, james cleverly , and

secretary, james cleverly, and the prime minister, rishi sunak , the prime minister, rishi sunak, to digest what has been handed down here. but it is a bitter blow without a doubt, to the government who really has been fighting the courts all the way through since this was first announced. just as a policy by the then prime minister, boris johnson , in april of last year. johnson, in april of last year. it's been through various court battles . the final one here at battles. the final one here at the supreme court , it has gone the supreme court, it has gone against the government. so it will be interesting , of course, will be interesting, of course, to see what the government comes up in terms of a up with now in terms of a solution going forward. but a suella braverman said she doesn't believe there is any plan b that the government has to hand that could actually deal in a robust way with the numbers coming across the channel and just this sunday, another 615 people crossed the english channel when the weather

conditions improved and showing that it conditions improved and showing thatitis conditions improved and showing that it is still a significant problem, even though overall numbers might be down on last year for more than 27,000 have crossed the english channel so far this year. >> smart white outside the supreme court. we're going to go live to downing street where chris hope, our political editor is. chris, hope this is a major crisis now for rishi sunaks government because as suella braverman has said in her expose of resignation letter, no plan b , a complete disaster here now, calls will mount on the backbench from tory mps to pull out of the european convention on human rights. >> that's the next step because unless the government here can appeal to the european court, which to , what is which doubt wants to, what is the step? what the only the next step? what the only issue think maybe the olive issue i think maybe the olive branch, maybe that labour have have not got a better idea from the tory party on this. they simply simply want to work closer. i think with with enforcement groups on the continent. is a major,

continent. but this is a major, major blow stop the boats was one of the central planks of mr sunak's time in office. it hasn't happened . it now can't go hasn't happened. it now can't go ahead unless there is some serious from the serious action from the government. will happen government. but what will happen next? we do know that james cleverly the next? we do know that james clev�* home the next? we do know that james clev�*home secretary the next? we do know that james clev�*home secretary is the next? we do know that james clev�*home secretary is against new home secretary is against pulling out of the echr. so what will sunak do? we'll wait and will mr sunak do? we'll wait and see prime minister's see at prime minister's questions. this a questions. but this is a real setback mr sunak on a day setback for mr sunak on a day when has seen inflation when he has seen inflation halve, he's hit target on halve, he's hit his target on inflation it's one step inflation and it's one step forward, one step back. >> of you surprised me >> of course, you surprised me of david cameron's government, which absolutely no which made absolutely no contingency planning whatsoever for leaving the european for britain leaving the european union never occurred union because it never occurred to in their arrogant ways to them in their arrogant ways that the british people could possibly against what they possibly go against what they wanted. setback wanted. here we've had setback after setback in the court 19 months this plan has been in the making and no alternative and nothing waiting in the wings. so we can say actually we can do this instead. nothing that's a failure of leadership. and government, isn't it ? it does

government, isn't it? it does seem a failure. >> i mean, they've had one they had one year of waiting around. no attempt to bring forward any legislation in case this happens. but look, look, andrew, looking at other countries, though, looking though, germany is looking at doing processing migrants in a third country. other countries are at british are looking at the british model. so there may be some comfort there or maybe some support international support from international partners that mr sunak needs right but this is a real right now. but this is a real crisis for him because the right will really worried will be really, really worried about course, we about this. and of course, we had braverman resigned had suella braverman resigned yesterday. waiting hear yesterday. we're waiting to hear her first big interview, whether that's a statement to mps, maybe next week or whether it's going to be interview with any channel. what she'll next is channel. what she'll say next is so important, i think because it looks mr sunak looks right now that mr sunak has lost a central plank of his time as prime minister. >> you very much, >> okay, thank you very much, chris. christopher at chris. christopher hope there at 10 downing richard tice 10 downing street. richard tice is still us in the studio. is still with us in the studio. richard do you richard how much money do you think we've given to think we've already given to rwanda before we've even sent one asylum seeker over there? how much have we given to build hotels to get it all ready? how

much? i don't know. >> i'll tell you out. you've obviously got the information. >> £143 million we've given to rwanda. i mean, frankly. hang on. i'm not finished yet. and that's before we talk about what we've spent on the lawyers to get this place, it is an get us to this place, it is an absolute shambles and suella braverman is right. he doesn't care . he hasn't got a plan b, he care. he hasn't got a plan b, he needs to resign. >> never mind her that is the reality. >> i mean, this is gross gross negligence on every level to have handed that money over in the fear that you could lose this case to have handed that money over with no plan b, no alternative. did separately, the prime minister has deliver separately, rejected the advice of his own home secretary to have a plan b, she wrote to him. she told him how to do it . she told him how to do it. >> you did not reply to her letter, didn't even reply to her letter. >> frankly, he's humiliated and he's exposed. he should resign. he should call an election. and those of us who believe that we should leave the european court

of human rights, we will fight the next election on leaving the echr stop the boats. this will become the slogan of the next general election. i have no doubt whatsoever leaving the i think stopping the boats by leaving the eu. but you see what we've just heard then from judge reed, lord reed is that it isn't just about the echr, it's about the un hcr, the un refugee agency. >> those are the ones that's what's done for us who have sent refugees to rwanda. >> i've just been looking whilst he was speaking at a 29 page report by the unhcr , dated april report by the unhcr, dated april 20th, 23, that actually congrats slates rwanda on how well it done. it's done in so many areas to do with asylum . it only to do with asylum. it only refers to three reform cases in the whole of 2022. and so there is a serious conflict there . but is a serious conflict there. but frankly, who runs this country? is it the unhcr or is it the echr or is it the prime minister the cabinet and the government

that's elected by the people and the unelected judges? >> by the way, richard, the unelected judges . unelected judges. >> yes. yes. but the judges interpret the law. the prime minister and the government, they create law. the former they can create law. the former home secretary said you need to change the law. you need to have an alternative. he rejects that. he's humiliated . he is he's humiliated. he is absolutely on the back foot. >> so what? so we so people watching this programme and listening on the radio are going to be shouting and screaming at the tv and the radio. are they going to be shouting? screaming? they are so frustrated. we all know how concerned people know how deeply concerned people are. of are. the scores hundreds of people, 650 odd on sunday alone, richard, quick richard, what is the quick solution, richard? because leaving the european court would take forever. what if you were home secretary in primetime? what would you do differently? >> very simple . i would i've >> very simple. i would i've said it time and time again using existing treaties , i would using existing treaties, i would pick up and safely take back to france every single one. just this weekend , the french this weekend, the french authorities, they rescued seven

boats with 200 people. they took them back to france. the belgian authorities are picking them up, taking them back to france. so, look, we could do that. it requires courage. it requires leadership. there's none of that within this government, within number 10. and the prime minister and until there is nothing will change. don't we all? the key point, richard, don't we also need to have some safe and legal routes for people who want to seek asylum where they apply, but they apply onune? >>i onune? >> i mean , not far be it from me >> i mean, not far be it from me to normally promote technology. they apply online. we can look at it. we can decide how many people we want. we can give the green light to some and say, no, i'm sorry. to others. we don't have that system. >> i'm sorry. that's absolute nonsense. safe and nonsense. we have got safe and legal look at what we've legal routes. look at what we've done afghanistan. look done for afghanistan. khan look at done for at what we've done for ukrainians. look at what we've done syrians. we've had done for syrians. we've had plenty legal routes. plenty of safe and legal routes. we visa system is we have a visa system which is safe and legal routes for those who to come to this who want to come to this country. 1.2 million people.

we're the most generous, we're one of the most generous, welcoming terms welcoming nations in terms of immigration the world. all right. >> thanks, richard. right >> thanks, richard. right >> high >> let's go back to the high court because mark white, who's outside court, has outside the supreme court, has got breaking news. mark, got some breaking news. mark, what's now? what's happening now? >> the rwandan >> yeah, the rwandan government's been quick to government's been very quick to respond to this ruling. they've said that we do take issue with the ruling that rwanda is not a safe third country for asylum seekers and refugees in terms of refoulement , rwanda says. and refoulement, rwanda says. and the uk have been working together to ensure the integration of relocated asylum seekers into rwandan society . seekers into rwandan society. rwanda, it says, is committed to its international obligations and we have been recognised , it and we have been recognised, it says, by the unhcr and other international institutions for our exemplary treatment of refugees . these interestingly, refugees. these interestingly, as well, rwanda has been at pains to stress throughout this process that they would be

willing to have international partners on the ground working alongside them to see that the processing that they undertake would be done properly , would be would be done properly, would be in compliance with humanitarian laws and they've said that they would be willing and open to all third party oversight of their processes. so they are clearly very disappointed with what has been announced today. i would imagine that denmark and austria would be rather disappointed with this ruling as well, because both these countries have reached out to rwanda to look at doing a similar deal with the east african nation. so no doubt human rights lawyers that may want to challenge that in denmark and austria will be looking to the supreme court and some of the arguments explored here to try to prosecute their case against the austrian and the denmark governments . jk

the denmark governments. jk rowling okay. >> thank you, mark. mark white there. if you are just joining us, we've had the ruling from the supreme court that we will not be allowed to move refugees over to rwanda for processing or for any other reason. we're going to be joined now by lawyer ivan sampson. good morning, ivan.thank ivan sampson. good morning, ivan. thank you very much. i realise this is all just happened, but your reaction, please. and if you could explain to our viewers why this conclusion was brought about rwanda not being a safe country in which people could be processed ? processed? >> yes, certainly so . so in the >> yes, certainly so. so in the refugee convention under article 33, there's a principle , what's 33, there's a principle, what's called non—refoulement . that called non—refoulement. that means you can't send an asylum seeker back to a country where there's a risk that they will be then be persecuted in that country, i.e. back in their home country, i.e. back in their home country from whence they're claiming asylum and the court gave examples of the israeli government who sent asylum

seekers to rwanda and the rwandan government then sent them to neighbouring countries without properly considering their asylum application and what the court said was from those countries there was a risk that they could then be sent back to their home country where they where they claim they were facing now the facing persecution. now the test, the legal test, the court said , is that there's a said, is that there's a substantial risk that there that the asylum seeker will be sent back to their home country. and the court was satisfied that that test was met and it agreed with the court of appeals ruling back in 29th of june. and they quite rightly dismissed the appeal. quite rightly dismissed the appeal . but quite rightly dismissed the appeal. but look, i've been i told you so, but we've been saying this for a year. a trainee solicitor could advise the government that the both the legal migration act and the rwanda policy is incompatible with both the refugee convention principle of non—refoulement and human rights abuses under the

european convention on human rights. that people face in rwanda. i mean , the government's rwanda. i mean, the government's known this from the outset. so the question forgive me, ivan, the question forgive me, ivan, the government . the government. >> ivan, can i interrupt you briefly ? you say a trainee briefly? you say a trainee solicitor? no greater figure than the lord chief justice agreed with this scheme in. oh, we've lost him. oh, but we had the lord chief justice. no. when the lord chief justice. no. when the court of appeal split, it was a 2 to 1 split. and one of the judges, the judge who agreed with it was the lord chief justice. a more senior figure than a lord, than a trainee. however, they've made a complete mess it and they've got no mess of it and they've got no plan b. let's talk to fellow gb news tory mp jacob news presenter and tory mp jacob rees—mogg, at westminster. rees—mogg, who's at westminster. jacob, catastrophic, jacob, this is catastrophic, like it's certainly not good news and the government will need to legislate now to make the rwanda scheme work . the rwanda scheme work. >> the key here is that parliament can legislate to say anything . it can legislate to

anything. it can legislate to amend the human rights act. it can legislate to override the european convention on human rights and essentially this judgement boils to down who do you trust to decide whether rwanda is safe ? do you trust the rwanda is safe? do you trust the judgement of the home secretary or do you trust the judgement of a united nations agency which has had all sorts of problems? the human rights agency and the united nations? so so is that a decision that rishi sunak can the government can actually make? >> because as part of the united nafions >> because as part of the united nations , we have to collaborate nations, we have to collaborate with the un refugee agency. but it is it is that particular agency which has just brought this judgement to this this judgement to this conclusion, is it not? well international law, unless it's been brought into domestic uk law, does not have force in the united kingdom. >> we only have laws in this country that have been passed by parliament. the problem with the

human rights act is that it provides a pipeline for overseas judgements to come in and colour are legal and political system . are legal and political system. and so really it's about tackling the european convention and the human rights act. i think the judge made a judgement on the facts in front of them. i don't think this is a political judgement. i don't think it's like the prorogation judgement, which was made by extraordinary europhile judges quite europhile judges and was quite a terrible judgement . this was terrible judgement. this was a fair judgement on the facts and on the law as it is. but parliament can change the law and so what can rishi sunak do? he could introduce a to bill parliament later on today or tomorrow to give the home secretary the power to deport people to rwanda. >> jake , if you've read the >> jake, if you've read the former home secretary's letter and i know you have a three page letter, coruscating , i think you letter, coruscating, i think you described it as she made it absolutely clear that she'd warned the prime minister again and again and again in some

letters which weren't even answered, that these were the problems that were going to be faced. will not have been faced. she will not have been surprised at all by the by the verdict of the supreme court today. said she gave him today. and she said she gave him a solution and he ignored it. >> and i'm not particularly surprised about that, because when the borders act was brought in by priti patel, i was leader of the house, and it seemed to me at that point that we would probably need further legislation that would ensure that what was being proposed could actually happen. i thought it would find that there were legal obstacles and that you would need another piece of legislation. asian unfortunately, we had another piece of legislation earlier this didn't go far this year, but it didn't go far enough. it didn't have the notwithstanding that notwithstanding clause that suella and others, bill particularly, were suggesting that would have ensured that the last piece of legislation clearly overrode any previous legislation , including the human legislation, including the human rights act >> what what is going to happen, jacob, in your view? you're not

in the cabinet anymore. we've got david cameron is now the foreign secretary who i know is a huge supporter of the european court. i can't see him signing up to anything that's going to weaken its authority in any shape or form. well unless we deal with the application of european human rights in the uk , european human rights in the uk, we will not get flights to rwanda. >> if we don't get flights to rwanda, we will not deal with the small boats problem. so this is a real test for his majesty's government. and what they need to do, what it's in their power to do, what it's in their power to do, what it's in their power to do, is to introduce primary legislation that will override all these obstacles and that's the basic constitutional principle of our country, that parliamentary sovereignty means that the highest court in the land is not the supreme court, but it's the high court of parliament. >> so why hasn't anybody done that so far ? jacob if you make that so far? jacob if you make it sound easy, i was you know, you said this afternoon. richardson i could put a bill to give the home secretary the powers to deport people to

rwanda. if it was that easy, we wouldn't have spent millions of pounds this legal, protracted pounds on this legal, protracted id that we've just all id kerfuffle that we've just all experienced for 18 months as what is easy constitutionally is not always devoid of controversy politically . politically. >> and so there are a lot of people in parliament who are very committed to the european convention on human rights and quite a few in the conservative party. so then the question becomes, can you get a parliamentary majority for this? and i think you could get a parliamentary majority, not for withdrawing from the convention, but from doing we did with but from doing what we did with prisoner rights and prisoner voting rights and overriding for period in overriding it for a period in these specific circumstances. i think a majority in the think there is a majority in the commons ultimately commons for that and ultimately the must give to the the lords must give in to the democratic house. >> well, we were talking to richard tice in the studio. you know is ? jacob, the head know who he is? jacob, the head of reform uk. he said there's an even easier solution if you merely what other countries merely do what other countries do. you turn the boats back and take the refugees back to france . is yes.

>> and tony abbott came on my program and to discuss this because that's exactly what the australians did. the difficulty with that is that the channel is not very wide. the australians had hundreds of miles of international waters in which to do this. we've got a narrow channel, so it's not a proposal that i'm hostile to , it's just a that i'm hostile to, it's just a question of the practicalities in a very narrow channel, whether you can turn the boats back in that way . back in that way. >> can i just get you to reflect upon the apparent ambivalence that rishi sunak has to this issue which comes out of suella braverman letter ? where do you braverman letter? where do you see him as not really feeling this issue in his heart that he's quite happy for us to take in 600,000 legal migrants in the last 12 months and tens of thousands of illegal asylum seekers? is he passionate enough about this, jacob well, i think you are right to separate the two. >> i think the prime minister

does want to solve the small boats problem. um, but doesn't necessarily want to take the steps that are necessary. i don't think he is as concerned as he ought to be about legal migration. i think that is a very big problem and it's driven, after all, by the treasury and the obr who score migration highly on grounds migration highly on the grounds it gives economic growth, which is half true. it gives total economic growth, but it doesn't give economic growth per person . give economic growth per person. and so i think we should be much more concerned about 600,000 legal migrants than the government currently is. >> okay. all right. thank you very much, jacob. jacob rees—mogg there, who will be on gb news at 8 pm. tonight. now, in the last few moments, if you're just joining us, the rwandan government has issued a statement in response to the supreme court ruling. let's bnng supreme court ruling. let's bring you to with what bring you up to date with what they said. they have said. >> they say and they are obviously very cross about this, as are. this is as we all are. this is ultimately, if judicial system, however, issue with the however, we take issue with the ruling that rwanda a safe ruling that rwanda is not a safe third seekers

third country for asylum seekers and terms of and refugees in terms of refuelling point rwanda and the uk have been working together. >> they continue to ensure the integration of relocated asylum seekers into rwandan society. rwanda is committed to its international obligations and we have been recognised by the unhcr and other international institutions for our exemplary treatment of refugees . treatment of refugees. >> jeez, well, we're going to go back to westminster to our political editor, chris hope, because we know there will be an emergency meeting taking place over ,if emergency meeting taking place over , if probably over rwanda, if probably already, chris, give us an update, please . update, please. >> andrew that's right . we can >> andrew that's right. we can reveal that right now , the most reveal that right now, the most senior group of tory mps and peers, you can imagine is meeting to discuss the response to this disastrous rwanda ruling by the supreme court. lord frost is in there. mark francois, the chairman of the european research group of tory mps. sir bill cash of course, the person who largely provided the kind of intellectual legal ballast for the brexit campaign over about

30 years in the commons. they're working out what to say next, and that really matters because i understand that as many as six letters have been gone in, according to people who don't like yet much. so of like mr sunak yet much. so of course we treat that with a degree of just not not sure it's entirely true, but we are told by people who are critics of the prime minister on the backbenches that as many as six letters of no confidence have gone into him in the past few days. and whether that number goes further, we'll wait and goes any further, we'll wait and see. problem for rebels see. the problem for the rebels have if he have against mr sunak if he doesn't any further on doesn't move any further on european of rights european court of human rights and that and withdrawal from that convention, they'll be convention, then they'll be thinking, can have thinking, can we do have confidence prime confidence in this prime minister is there minister going forward? is there someone take someone else who can take over and their seats? because and save their seats? because apparently as many as apparently the party, as many as 30 behind and to 30 points behind and to according polling from according overnight polling from gb can say that it's gb news. so i can say that it's reported to us that as many as six tory mps have now put letters in of no confidence in the minister to the the prime minister to the meeting. right meeting. happening right now, a few away from few hundred yards away from where in downing where i'm standing in downing street its commons committee

street in its commons committee room senior tory mps. these room of senior tory mps. these are mps who have put letters are not mps who have put letters in confidence, but mps who in of no confidence, but mps who are concerned, very concerned in of no confidence, but mps who are co this 1ed, very concerned in of no confidence, but mps who are co this rulingery concerned in of no confidence, but mps who are co this rulingery con> keep up to date on that >> keep us up to date on that meeting that's going on. six letters have gone in. we're going be talking later going to be talking also later in program studio to in the program in the studio to andrea jenkins, who was the first put her head first tory mp to put her head above parapet say that above the parapet and say that she's put letter to she's already put a letter in to the chairman the 1922 the chairman of the 1922 committee there has to be committee saying there has to be a vote no confidence in the prime. >> we're looking at we're looking at some of the lovely pictures of rwanda here. to pictures of rwanda here. just to remind you, got stephen remind you, we've got stephen pound webb the pound and emma webb in the studio which is studio with us now, which is just but just to just wonderful. but just to remind you both much we've remind you both how much we've already to prepare already paid rwanda to prepare conditions immigrants conditions for immigrants who will there, £140 will never arrive there, £140 million. of million. stephen pound of taxpayers makes blood taxpayers money makes my blood boil . boil. >> e!- @ think we could have >> i rather think we could have spent some rather better spent that on some rather better things the nhs or or things like the nhs or order or more policing. look, i more policing. but look, can i just something about just say something about this?

generally a stick generally if gb news was a stick of rock, the words running through the middle would be common sense and so let's just apply. sorry, i know. i appreciate that. copyright emma webb. look, firstly turning webb. but look, firstly turning the minute a the boats back the minute a royal navy frigate or a minesweeper or even an rnli vessel approached an immigrant barge or a boat anywhere in the channel barge or a boat anywhere in the channel, they would simply stick a knife and puncture it a knife in it and puncture it and there would be in the water and there would be in the water and we'd have to rescue them. if you a minute they're you think for a minute they're going sit there in a sullen going to sit there in a sullen acquiescence he tow them acquiescence while he tow them back, they didn't do that back, well, they didn't do that in yeah. yeah no, in australia. yeah. yeah no, because of because massive hundreds of thousands of miles of international know, thousands of miles of inteibutional know, thousands of miles of inteibut and know, thousands of miles of inteibut and the know, thousands of miles of inteibut and the other know, thousands of miles of inteibut and the other thingw, thousands of miles of inteibut and the other thing is, and but and the other thing is, look, know, they still have look, you know, they still have drowned. yeah. but they. drowned. yeah. yeah. but they. >> yeah, but i don't think, i think, i think that's right. stephen worked australia. stephen it worked for australia. why work here. take why can't it work here. take jacob's point about it's a narrower channel but no narrower channel but, but no andrew not just that. andrew it's not just that. >> also it worked in >> it's also it worked in australia because there were islands there they could be islands there that they could be taken that's right, yeah. taken to. that's right, yeah. there islands in the there are no islands in the middle of the channel yeah, right. the thing

right. anyway, the other thing is you and know is look, you know, and i know that very 40 or 50 that at the very most 40 or 50 people going to go to rwanda people are going to go to rwanda at the very same time, 370 ready. it ain't going to happen. it's not going happen. it's not going to happen. >> £160,000 is well, to get >> but £160,000 is well, to get each precisely. each person there precisely. >> the solution is >> so when the solution is staring face in front staring you in the face in front of why on earth don't we do of you, why on earth don't we do what we used to do in sangatte? what do, actually what the dutch do, and actually process people here? and if they're them in. if they're legal, let them in. if they're legal, let them in. if they're legal, let them in. if they're legal, send them they're not legal, send them back. instead having this back. instead of having this farcical, ludicrous headline grabbing nonsense about we're going rwanda, the going to send you to rwanda, the israelis it. they sent israelis did it. they sent 40,000 people rwanda. none of 40,000 people to rwanda. none of them they all them stayed. they all disappeared. what? disappeared. and guess what? they up again they then turned up again seeking but all in seeking asylum. but all in israel, 40,000. bet they seeking asylum. but all in israeno 40,000. bet they seeking asylum. but all in israeno theyi,000. bet they seeking asylum. but all in israeno they weren't bet they seeking asylum. but all in israeno they weren't all they seeking asylum. but all in israeno they weren't all over did. no they weren't all over the place, but. >> well. well, it was it was part of this israel relationship, is what's relationship, which is what's done in the here, done for us in the court here, because rwanda apparently failed to non—refoulement. to respect this non—refoulement. this word been using this is a word we've been using this morning. and what that means can't somebody means is you can't send somebody back to their country of origin if is a risk that they if there is a risk that they would persecuted in that would be persecuted in that country origin. in country of origin. emma webb in a nutshell, the judges have

a nutshell, what the judges have concluded that can't concluded is that rwanda can't be that right. be trusted to get that right. who how could they possibly who says how could they possibly know have already know that if rwanda have already issued a statement saying, that's ridiculous, we can be trusted actually, as andrew said >> and actually, as andrew said already, there already, that there are there have very high level have been very high level lawyers have who have been lawyers who have who have been backing i think backing this deal. and i think actually all of this talk of pushing back and so on pushing the boats back and so on is a bit a red herring, is a bit of a red herring, because what is really at stake here is, sovereignty of here is, is the sovereignty of parliament because i don't think we supreme we should really have a supreme court first place. court in the first place. constitutionally, this is a kind of invasive species that has been into the been introduced into the constitutional ecosystem. exactly of tony exactly sort of part of tony blair's reanimated political corpse . and i think , as jacob corpse. and i think, as jacob rees—mogg says, you know , the rees—mogg says, you know, the buck should ultimately stop with parliament. that should be our supreme court. and yes, the government can introduce legislation to try and get around this. but i think what we what we saw from suella is blowing the doors off with with that. magnifico letter. i think

is that she was already aware before this ruling that that rishi does not have the political will. he hasn't put the effort and the resources into this as he should have done. he hasn't respected the democratic mandate that he doesn't have anyway because he wasn't elected into that office in the first place. and that ultimately, you know , the ultimately, you know, the political will is not there. he's just appoint did david cameron to the cabinet. this is an absurd situation where the tories are doing the absolute opposite of what they should be doing. and if anybody thinks that this government can do anything or has the will, i mean, we saw james cleverly yesterday putting out this video saying that promising to turn the boats back. well, how can you promise to turn the boats backif you promise to turn the boats back if the government can't even execute the of the even execute the will of the people by cutting migration? people or by cutting migration? i the political isn't i think the political will isn't there. think rishi has there. and i think rishi has completely it . completely blown it. >> did i say, stephen, you represented a very ethnic

constituency. how high an issue was illegal migration when you were an mp in your constituency? >> see, surprisingly enough, the very large proportion of the sikh community in my part of the world actually voted for brexit, right? and is a big and right? and there is a big and the feeling particularly, you the feeling is particularly, you know, i both have irish know, you and i both have irish backgrounds of people backgrounds and a lot of people in irish community in the irish community say, well, we well, hang on a second. we played by the rules. you know, we actually came here legitimately you legitimately and we worked. you know, people take know, why do other people take advantage? interesting. it advantage? it's interesting. it is it is an issue, too. but i think you should actually today of should sit back of all days, you should sit back and that you've got and realise that you've now got gb in cabinet. you've gb news in the cabinet. you've now in the form of estimate. now got in the form of estimate. esther mcvey, minister for esther mcvey, the minister for common , is she not? yes. common sense, is she not? yes. i mean, i think she's a cabinet gb news i think she's the cabinet office minister and some wag in downing street said, she'll downing street said, oh, she'll be minister common sense. >> i think she's probably still reeling description. reeling from that description. >> she's probably >> i think she's probably glorifying it well, think glorifying it well, i think she'll make a great fist of the job. >> well, i'm just glad she's an authentic voice.

>> just glad she's there. authentic voice. >> i'd just glad she's there. authentic voice. >> i'd rather.ad she's there. authentic voice. >> i'd rather she;he's there. authentic voice. >> i'd rather she had there. authentic voice. >> i'd rather she had a1ere. authentic voice. >> i'd rather she had a more but i'd rather she had a more muscular perhaps might be muscular role. perhaps might be the way. can i just get you to reflect a bit, stephen, on what jake rees—mogg there about jake rees—mogg said there about the the minister the fact that the prime minister this could the this afternoon could give the home to home secretary the power to deport rwanda. but he deport people to rwanda. but he said, but not necessarily said, but it's not necessarily politics really popular thing to do. what does he mean? >> well, you can't have a piece of legislation a of legislation naming a particular and you can't particular country and you can't have a piece of legislation which overrules the the which overrules the law of the land. so what will happen is land. and so what will happen is every one of those cases, some lawyer then say that lawyer will then say that this is nothing to do with echr, nothing to do with the united nafions nations convention on refugees. you know, do with sort you know, it's to do with sort of family life. there will you know, it's to do with sort of something' life. there will you know, it's to do with sort of something' life that. e will you know, it's to do with sort of something! life that. justin? be something like that. justin? justin said the justin suella said the notwithstanding clause, if you put there, you can do put that in there, you can do it. try that. the it. you can try that. but the reality is you can pass a law that everybody's to that says everybody's got to speak people aren't speak swedish and people aren't going to do it. you know, the americans did it with the volstead act. you can say alcohol illegal. well, alcohol is illegal. well, you know, didn't in know, people didn't wake up in the say, crikey, the the morning and say, crikey, the government can't have a

government said we can't have a pint of pint of bitter. therefore we're not going to drink. know, i'm sorry, drink. you know, i'm sorry, you've with the you've got to work with the grain of the nation and the grain of the nation and the grain of the nation and the grain of grain the nation grain of grain of the nation want people on those planes, if that's we talk about. >> it would be a popularity win. >> it would be a popularity win. >> they want cheap >> they don't want cheap headlines. don't want headlines. they don't want attention. to stop attention. they want to stop the people crossing channel and people crossing the channel and may for the first and may i say, for the first and last time, where agree with last time, where i agree with suella that we've suella braverman is that we've had enough of words. we want some flipping action. emma i was some flipping action. emma i was so rishi so extraordinary that rishi sunaks suella sunaks response to suella was letter say that he letter was to say that he believes words, not action letter was to say that he belie\his words, not action letter was to say that he belie\his entireis, not action letter was to say that he belie\his entire premiership| letter was to say that he belie\his entire premiership has when his entire premiership has been not action. been using words, not action. >> people don't care >> i think people don't care where people go. they just where these people go. they just want them to be processed somewhere else. they, you know, you people making you often hear people making this point that actually winston churchill was in in the late 1940s was the one pushing for this european convention on human rights. but i don't think that the intention behind that was to hamstring the sovereignty of parliament in terms of our securing or in terms of our borders and the problem is that

you have all of these activist lawyers, those who will challenge. absolutely everything in there all in the courts. there are all sorts ways that the laws can sorts of ways that the laws can be abused to the detriment of the will of the british people all. and i think jacob rees—mogg is hitting on something when he says about, you know, the point about because about political will, because i do think government do think that the government could something this could do something about this if they to . it is, of they wanted to. it is, of course, extremely difficult because we're wrapped up with all of these all of these sort of legal , uh, all of these all of these sort of legal, uh, trapdoors that make it very difficult to do anything about it. but what you needis anything about it. but what you need is a government with proper leadership and the and a concerted effort to deal with the problem. unfortunately, i think that labour will be even worse than the current conservative. >> can i take your point? people keep raising this business about churchill. what we churchill. don't forget what we call displaced persons. call is to displaced persons. after the war context of after the war in the context of that time, they were processed in and because my father in europe and because my father and of people, ex—navy and a lot of people, ex—navy people, drafted people, were actually drafted in to receive people to actually receive the people into this country. >> to interrupt you ,

steven. >> we're going to back into to downing street. chris hope, our political breaking political editor, with breaking news sunak . news sunak. >> yeah, we've got the response here from downing street and they've got the response here from from the pm. he's saying very clearly here that this outcome is not what the government wanted. we will now consider next steps. crucially, the pm says, and here's a crucial part the supreme court, the court of appeal and the high court before it have confirmed the principle of sending people to a third country to be to be processed that is lawful. this confirms the government's clear view from the outset. it suggests possibly that the government might find a different third country to rwanda to process small boats arrivals. but this is a setback for the government. it means that you can't see these the flights that suella braverman, the former home secretary dreamt of off in october last of taking off in october last yeah of taking off in october last year. that's not going to happen to rwanda, seems. let's to rwanda, it seems. but let's see can find different see if they can find a different third process third country to process arrivals here. so the model, the idea of taking from this idea of taking people from this

country third country country to a third country works. wait and see. works. they'll wait and see. >> chris, you we can >> chris, do you think we can get money back from rwanda? get our money back from rwanda? because we have lavished £140 million very nice million on some very nice accommodation and accommodation facilities and processing centres? are we going to that money back ? these to get that money back? these are questions. >> we'll wait and see. almost certainly. will there be an urgent question today in the house of commons after prime house of commons after the prime minister when james minister questions when james cleverly the new home secretary, will answer very question. will answer that very question. but yes, no question we have getting lot money, haven't getting a lot of money, haven't to we, rwanda and where that money is now wasted or can be turned form turned into some form of development aid, we'll wait and see. >> yeah. whose bank accounts has that made its way into? i'd like to know. >> that's right. we need to go to mark white. mark white outside the supreme court. to mark white. mark white outside bring'yupreme court. to mark white. mark white outsidebring anyone court. to mark white. mark white outsidebring anyone court speed please bring anyone up to speed who's just tuning in, who's watching the body of watching the body language of exasperation watching the body language of exasi eration watching the body language of exasi bothyn watching the body language of exasi both share what's happened and i both share what's happened this morning. mark well, so clearly shockwaves going through everyone outside the supreme court here at the decision that was handed down here in terms of

the lawyers representing the asylum seekers . asylum seekers. >> well, clearly they're very pleased. we can speak to one of those lawyers now, nick hughes , those lawyers now, nick hughes, representing the majority of the asylum seekers who brought this this appeal, or at least were fighting this appeal by the home office. first of all, nick, your reaction? i'm relieved to an extent . extent. >> there's an element of surprise at some point you don't want to be too optimistic with a case that's this comes this political . but it's relief that political. but it's relief that the highest court in the land has shown that the rule of law is still very important in this country and has struck down an unlawful policy. >> well, the rwandan government were to respond to were very quick to respond to this. they clearly don't accept what has been said about their nafion what has been said about their nation their ability to nation and their ability to process these applications fairly and to ensure that people are treated as they should be and not returned to an unsafe

country. clearly you weren't at all sorry about that. you weren't at all convinced or persuaded by their argument. >> well, there arguments were not part of this case. essentially, it was this is a case of the uk's policy and an agreement entered into with rwanda. and it was the uk arguing why people should be removed to rwanda. assurances were given by rwanda as part of this of this memorandum of understanding. the highest understanding. but the highest court in the land and the court of appeal both thought that those assurances by the rwandan government were sufficient government were not sufficient to protect individuals from being to countries where being sent to countries where they torture or death they may face torture or death on return might not. >> one of the upshots of this case, now that the government's back to baxter, to the world, be that actually they go for something like pulling out of the echr something that you would clearly be very concerned about. well i think pulling out the echr is i mean, my own

personal opinions aside, this is a terrible decision, but it's also one that isn't relevant in this case. >> the supreme court were very clear that the echr was just one of legal instruments that of the legal instruments that uk's that made this uk's party to that made this policy unlawful . the eu and the policy unlawful. the eu and the united nations convention on refugees, the human rights act. there are numerous policies and international treaties that we are a party to that enshrine the principle of human rights on non—refoulement . and it's not non—refoulement. and it's not just the echr that's relevant here. >> got it? got to end it there. but thank you, for nick, talking to us there. so that's your instant reaction there from outside the supreme court. >> thank you, mark. thank you. right. still to come this morning, we have got some huge news coming. exclusive news to gb from a prominent tory mp gb news from a prominent tory mp about the future of her party. don't go anywhere. you with britain's newsroom on gb news, the people's

a it's 11 am. ia— it's 11 am. on a it's 11 am. on wednesday, the 15th of november. >> this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> huge this morning. >> huge news this morning. rwanda is unlawful. the rwanda plan is unlawful. the five supreme court justices unanimous agreed with the court of appeal's conclusion that the rwanda policy was unlawful . and rwanda policy was unlawful. and guess what? >> there is absolutely no plan b after being sacked as home secretary. suella braverman has accused rishi sunak of having no

alternatives and that's what we've heard already from number 10. has convened an 10. sunak has convened an emergency meeting to discuss alternatives is so i guess we're going to find out soon if she's right and she is. >> good news, though. inflation has financial news that has fallen. financial news that we're all welcoming this morning . inflation fell to 4.6% in october, down from 6.7% in september. this means the government's target to halve inflation by the end of the year has already been met and a new frontbench , a new line—up of frontbench, a new line—up of frontbenchers will join rishi sunak for prime minister's questions later to be sure, and they will of course be challenged on the supreme court's unlawful verdict today. >> the trial . >> the trial. obviously this caused massive reverberations around the whole of politics. >> this morning. we're going to be talking in just a moment to mp andrea jenkins. she is coming

on here to give us some very exclusive breaking news. >> and she is the first mp to put her head above the parapet to put in a letter of no confidence in rishi sunak. and she's going to tell us a little more about going more about what's going on behind scenes a very behind the scenes in a very febrile conservative party. >> don't go >> that's right. don't go anywhere. more to anywhere. a lot more still to come. first, your come. but first, here's your latest news sophia . good morning. >> it's 11:01. morning. >> it's11:01. i'm sofia wenzel in the newsroom . the in the newsroom. the government's rwanda policy has been ruled unlawful . the supreme been ruled unlawful. the supreme court found that the plans risk genuine asylum seekers being returned to the country. they fled from . the rwandan fled from. the rwandan government says it takes issue with the ruling that the country isn't safe. it's a major blow to the prime minister and his promise to stop the boats in her resignation letter, former home secretary suella braverman warned rishi sunak has no credible backup plan to end channel crossings there was strong reaction outside the courts this judgement and this

victory is a victory for our brave clients who stood up to what is an unlawful and inhumane policy. >> today . it's not just a >> today. it's not just a victory for them, but it's a victory for them, but it's a victory for the rule of law. it's a reminder that no one is above the law and it's timely that governments are told that they have to stay within the boundanes they have to stay within the boundaries of the law . boundaries of the law. >> sile reynolds is head of asylum advocacy at freedom from torture. she says the policy is wrong. we are delighted the supreme court has affirmed what we, me and our supporters and compassionate people across this country knew. >> all along, which is not only that this immoral scheme is wrong, but that it's that it flies in the face of the laws of this country . this country. >> mps are expected to vote on calls for a ceasefire in gaza later today. the snp put forward an amendment to the king's speech demanding a truce as

israel's bombardment of the territory continues. labour says it won't engage with what it's called party political game playing. six dharma will instead table a motion calling for longer pauses in fighting, highlighting concerns over the number of civilians killed . number of civilians killed. meanwhile israel says it's carrying out a precise and targeted operation against hamas in the city's largest hospital . in the city's largest hospital. hundreds of patients are trapped inside the al—shifa as fighting continues, the israeli military believes hamas has a command centre beneath the site , which centre beneath the site, which the terrorist group denies . the terrorist group denies. israel says it's delivered medical aid, incubators and baby food to the hospital. however, the world health organisation says it's lost touch with health personnel at the facility since the raids . the government says the raids. the government says it's delivered on its pledge to halve inflation, with price rises slowing the most in two years. the latest data shows inflation was 4.6% in october,

down from 6.7% in september. a fall in energy costs and house pnces fall in energy costs and house prices has helped reduce the figure, which is still above the bank of england's 2% target. chair jeremy hunt says the government is making tough decisions to ease the financial burden on households . burden on households. >> in january, the prime minister said that his number one pledge was to halve inflation. people at the time said that was going to be easy to deliver. it would happen automatically. we now know that wasn't the we took some wasn't the case. we took some very decisions to very difficult decisions to control and and control borrowing and debt, and we have now delivered that pledge a whole month early. there's lots more work to do. we still have to bring inflation down to its target level of 2, but now we are beginning to win the battle against inflation. >> shadow chancellor rachel reeves says more needs to be done to ease the cost of living . done to ease the cost of living. >> well, of course, it's welcome that inflation has come down from record highs, but the truth is during the course of this

parliament, the cost of living crisis has hit hard for working families and the questions that people are asking, i think, will be, am i better off after 13 years of conservative government and the inflation numbers show that prices are still rising , that prices are still rising, thing is that people are still worse off under the conservatives . and now throwing conservatives. and now throwing back to andrew and . bev back to andrew and. bev >> very good morning. it's 1105. >> very good morning. it's1105. you're with bev turner and andrew pierce on gb news. it's been a heck of a morning. if you're only just tuning in, we're not sending anyone to rwanda. that's that's basically supreme chucked supreme court chucked out unanimously. they did. >> of course they did. >> of course they did. >> court judgement in a >> supreme court judgement in a nutshell, worked. nutshell, it hasn't worked. let's what been let's see what you've been saying home. martin says, oh, saying at home. martin says, oh, my scrap supreme court. my god, scrap the supreme court. cliff said. it would seem that we have no say in or what we have no say in who or what comes into our country. we are as a nation. i can't describe

that. i can't say that word on tv. cliff stiff, stephen says, what a moneymaking go round for lawyers. surely these overpaid clowns could have anticipated the reasons for turning the appeal down. and lots of you asking what happens now? what happens now? loads of those messages coming in. alan says this country is an absolute joke. the government is the head joker. another alan. mr joker. alan another alan. mr starmer the floodgates are open . starmer the floodgates are open. the country is doomed. i hope your policies are fully funded now and on and on and on. >> well, we've got in the studio tonight oh, we've got tonight to say, oh, we've got we've got to talk to a human rights lawyer first, of course, because delighted because he'll be delighted because, is because, of course, this is going from heaven going to be manna from heaven for don't to be rude for him. i don't wish to be rude to david haig because we're great him. but david great fans of him. but david haig joins us now. david good morning you're well morning to you. you're well known on our program. known to viewers on our program. i guess you're doing a little highland fling. you around highland fling. are you around your office as . your your office as. >> good morning to you both. i mean, i think, look, you know, as far as i'm concerned, it's the right when it comes the right decision when it comes to law that we have and the

to the law that we have and the evidence before the judges. now that's you know, so i think that's you know, so i think that's the way to start this . that's the way to start this. >> and then tell our viewers why this is the right decision. and just just sum up, if we can, our understanding of what happened this morning is that the supreme court judges said rwanda cannot be guaranteed to be a safe place in in which it will be. they can carry out this process of refoulement, which is where can somebody sent be sent back to their country of origin or are they likely to be persecuted once they arrive? they don't trust authorities to trust the rwandan authorities to get so why did we get that right. so why did we ever trust them to get it right? >> i can't hear you . sorry. >> i can't hear you. sorry. i can't hear. i can. i can see you talking about david. >> we'll come back to you. >> we'll come back to you. >> i'm going to try and get you back. >> we'll come back to you. but we've got in the studio you like to say great old mate of mine, dame andrew jenkins, andrew jenkins, conservative mp, the first the courage put first to have the courage to put her above the parapet and

her head above the parapet and say, actually, i've put my letter into the 1922. >> need leadership >> we need a leadership challenge. hear rumours challenge. i we hear rumours that are following suit. that others are following suit. andrew can you us? andrew what can you tell us? >> yes, i mean, after sue ella's letter know, letter yesterday, you know, obviously night. obviously was voting last night. ispoke obviously was voting last night. i spoke to several colleagues and know have said to and i know six who have said to me letters and i know six who have said to m> so so that seven we now >> so that so that seven we now know about. yes yeah. >> and if they go ahead and >> and that if they go ahead and do it. but they seemed quite adamant and that is before andrea the supreme which andrea the supreme court which not to me, not not a bombshell to me, not a bomb shelter but probably not a bomb shelter but probably not a bomb even the erg bomb shelter. even the erg is meeting about meeting tonight about rwanda. >> this is the >> this is so this is the european research group. these were sort spark ones in were the sort of spark ones in the movement, of which the brexit movement, of which you one. yes. what what you were one. yes. what what what i mean, there's great what i mean, there's a great sense frustration, sense of frustration, but i mean, think the mean, do you really think the answer to topple another answer is to topple another prime minister and put in somebody before a somebody else before in a general election number four, i no, i mean, look, really no, i mean, look, i've really wrestled because cause wrestled with this because cause i mean, i've had lots of constituents contact me who are really frustrated at. >> and actually, when i put my

letter in, i've had hundreds of people from all over the country saying thank you for doing this, but i wrestled with this but yeah, i wrestled with this in we could look in the fact that we could look very stupid toppling another very stupid and toppling another leader. but i think we've got to bite the bullet. >> now, i agree with you, andrea. i think you're absolutely right. i think it's about knowing when to cut your losses. you're in a race, losses. if you're in a race, you've got to know at which point implement next point you implement the next strategy. in strategy. we with rishi sunak in power this result today, power with this result today, with the letter suella with the letter from suella braverman, going lose braverman, you're going to lose and going lose and you're going to lose significantly you say significantly because as you say , i've never seen a government at the top of government is at the top of government that is so from people on so detached from people on the ground. also, mean, ground. but also, bev, i mean, for me as well, what i'm really concerned about is we get concerned about is if we get starmer, , if we see starmer, you know, if we see starmer, you know, if we see starmer as the next prime minister, damage that minister, the damage that they're do, i mean, they're going to do, i mean, look, he's got no scruples and he's no back. he's got no back. >> twice to get into >> corbyn twice to get into number he'll whatever number 10 and he'll do whatever to implicitly. number 10 and he'll do whatever to ihe's:itly. number 10 and he'll do whatever to ihe's got absolutely nothing >> he's got absolutely nothing to it will to say on immigration. it will be all hours to everybody. be open all hours to everybody. imagine though . that's the imagine who though. that's the point, andrea. if you are to if you're going to get rid of him.

yes. who takes their place and it's got to be done very quickly. >> has. yeah quickly. >> has.yeah mean, of >> it has. yeah i mean, first of all, i'll answer that, but i don't think it'll be that quick, unfortunately, given what happened but who ? happened last time. but who? well, i want to back somebody who's conviction and to me, who's got conviction and to me, who's got conviction and to me, who's conservative and so who's a true conservative and so it depends who puts their head above the parapet now. and actually puts the name forward. but i don't want to split the centre, right. you know, if we have or candidates, there's have 4 or 5 candidates, there's more of the one nation mps, then we're going to end up with another nation. so we need another one nation. so we need to behind person. to unite behind one person. ideally need to put ideally so they need to put their egos to one their political egos to one side. mean, i haven't heard side. i mean, i haven't heard anything this yet, but i'd anything on this yet, but i'd love to see priti put her name forward. right? yeah i mean, she she's fantastic. she was the architect rwanda in first architect of rwanda in the first place. absolutely. place. yes, absolutely. and i don't know she's even don't know if she's even considering it, but i'd love to see her. and what about suella? >> braverman? >> braverman? >> mean, think she's shown >> i mean, i think she's shown immense strength . immense strength. >> yeah, those would >> yeah, those two would split each other's votes. >> absolutely. yes that's >> yes, absolutely. yes that's the isn't it? yes, completely.

>> doesn't that save >> and that doesn't that save rishi the that rishi sunak in the sense that there's no obvious person to coalesce around as an alternative, but he isn't on political egos, is probably going to be several on the centre left of the party as well isn't there? >> and the centrists i mean james cleverly there's we're heanng james cleverly there's we're hearing i mean when they're trying to make out that the education secretary is an ex thatcher, i can't see that . so thatcher, i can't see that. so you can see even on that side, they're making manoeuvres . but they're making manoeuvres. but it's a slow process. i mean, back in the theresa may days , back in the theresa may days, which we all remember, those , i which we all remember, those, i was the first person to resign of my position back in the may. and i remember arguing with colleagues, look, because i was on the brexit committee, they're not preparing for no deal. you know, you need that as a strong card to negotiate. and if you remember, it took right to the december all the letters to december for all the letters to go in two and she won that first leadership ballot, didn't she? but the concern is now we haven't got that time. >> but the other thing you make

that point about no preparation for a no deal brexit, what is staggering from braverman's letter, b for letter, there is no plan b for rwanda. it is exactly the same , rwanda. it is exactly the same, the same way cameron made no contingency plans for us voting to leave. >> do you know what's funny as well? two people, well? compare these two people, all membership didn't vote all the membership didn't vote for these people. no, they for these two people. no, they didn't a chance. didn't get a chance. >> course, >> that's right. and of course, suella braverman blames this lack of plan b on his magical thinking thing. what a damning phrase, as though he's a sort of utopia , an thinker, but not in utopia, an thinker, but not in touch with how to make any practicalities work. i mean , i practicalities work. i mean, i think, you know, my assessment , think, you know, my assessment, i was rishi sps when he was a junior minister. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> now, i do strike you as tory. >> i mean, you know, i got on okay with him at that stage, but i think i just think he lacks a backbone. he probably wants to do stuff in principle, but he lacks the backbone to actually, you know, do whatever necessary to get this because he's a bit of a pleaser. yes think of a people pleaser. yes i think so. he pleasing ? um well,

so. who is he pleasing? um well, certainly not the public. is it really ? really? >> who is he pleasing? nadine dorries has written book, dorries has written this book, which we've been taking which i know we've been taking the out of, but she's the mickey out of, but she's been vocally in been speaking very vocally in the about a dark the last 24 hours about a dark cabal at the centre of the conservative party, a guy called dougie doesn't dougie smith, whose name doesn't appean dougie smith, whose name doesn't appear, being a very appear, seems to be being a very important is that what's important guy. is that what's happening the happening inside the conservative party? >> know , honestly. >> i don't know, honestly. you know, i'm not at that kind of level to know. i mean, but clearly there was plotting going on to get rid of boris, wasn't there? yeah. and even sort of things i saw in the whips office, you know, i which i highlight did at the time to people that you know, this will damage the prime minister got ignored so it wouldn't surprise me if there was plotting going on because rishi was their man. but also, let's not forget the majority of conservative mps are the nation group and you the one nation group and you know, they didn't like the politics of boris, of me and of . politics of boris, of me and of. of the erg. et cetera. so and or liz truss. so they the there

wasn't going to support an election winning machine like boris. election winning machine like bofis.can election winning machine like boris. can we ask you about the six who may, may or may not have put their names. >> can we can you name any of them. >> no, of course not. of course not. no. gosh no. >> but you've you've gone public. yes >> well, even in theresa may's time, how many went public? no, probably people or probably ten people or something. do you think something. what do you think they something. what do you think the and blooming quickly to stop >> and blooming quickly to stop these surging these blooming migrants surging across because this across the channel because this what's is going what's happened today is going to to massive uptake. to lead to a massive uptake. i think the numbers crossing in think in the numbers crossing in the weeks. oh, exactly. the next few weeks. oh, exactly. >> i mean, my >> and also, i mean, in my inbox, it's the biggest thing. and you know, i'm like up and i you know, i'm like up north. i'm nowhere near. yeah see . and what can we do see exactly. and what can we do now? i mean, i, i did a petition with conservative post a couple of months ago and already we've got 35,000 signatures to come out of the echr. right. and i think the measures that that suella put, we need to do and she's a lawyer. she must know. she must know the legalities of

this better than i can. >> david cameron in there now as foreign secretary, obviously quite fan of the echr. quite a big fan of the echr. what did you make of his appointment? >> i mean, i like cameron and i like just i they like osborne. just i mean, they were so supportive to me in standing against ed balls now. so never that. but so i'll never forget that. but it's sort of went down like a bucket of sick, as i say in my red wall seat because cameron will be forever known in these red wall seats as somebody who resigned because he didn't like the referendum result. the democratic referendum result. >> architect of project fear >> the architect of project fear which lied public. >> remember that leaflet? do. >> i do. and he got treasury civil servant on our behalf. i talked to some people and i think he'll do a good job as foreign secretary >> however, i think it's a >> however, i just think it's a ridiculous appointment and i tell ridiculous as tell you what is ridiculous as well. a storm is brewing well. assume a storm is brewing in the party. clearly it is. yeah. what do they do in yeah. and what do they do in these recent appointments? they've the most inec's they've put the most inec's experienced people as in the 2019 intake into the whips office. yeah. surely you need the old guard in there. yeah. you know, protect the prime

you know, to protect the prime minister when a storm is brewing. >> when i did this piece in the mail the other day after cameron's appointment, i said i spoke to number of tory mps in spoke to a number of tory mps in red wall who said he is not coming to my constituency in the election. i said, david election. i said, who? david cameron? rishi cameron? they said, no. rishi sunak oh, absolutely. that he's becoming negative. there becoming so negative. and there was speculation were was even speculation they were talking . talking even then. >> that's why it's time for a leader bite the bullet as to whether they would put his face in their literature. >> will he be all over your literature? >> rishi sunak no, rishi sunak won't be. no, it hasn't been the last 12 months. >> not? no, of course >> no. has he not? no, of course not. so about you and not. no. so it's about you and the conservative values. >> but not him? >> but not him? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and how many people do >> yeah. and how many people do you think feel like do you think feel like you do andrew saying it? andrew but aren't saying it? i know you said you've spoken to six. who are you suspect will will letters. do will submit letters. do you think number must so much think the number must be so much bigger because this bigger than that? because this impacts all of your impacts on all of your livelihoods? gets livelihoods? yes. if he gets this this changes all of this wrong, this changes all of your all who've your lives. all the mps who've worked so hard walking the streets the rain, knocking on streets in the rain, knocking on

doors, trying to represent your constituents, i mean, to me, it's us. it's not about us. >> it's about the people we represent. because stood represent. because we stood on this mean, the this manifesto. i mean, the animal stuff, binned. this manifesto. i mean, the aninso stuff, binned. this manifesto. i mean, the aninso we stuff, binned. this manifesto. i mean, the anin so we stood|ff, binned. this manifesto. i mean, the aninso we stood on binned. this manifesto. i mean, the aninso we stood on a binned. this manifesto. i mean, the aninso we stood on a manifesto. and so we stood on a manifesto. we stood on a manifesto to, you know, really look at different funding models for didn't know, really look at different fundlig models for didn't know, really look at different fundi mean, els for didn't know, really look at different fundi mean, i'mfor didn't know, really look at different fundi mean, i'm pro didn't know, really look at different fundi mean, i'm pro funding1't know, really look at different fundi mean, i'm pro funding the we? i mean, i'm pro funding the bbc and, you know, when we're not delivering on these things. so think the least what what so i think the least what what i'd like to see happen is where there's a vote of no confidence within the 1922, then that will hopefully at least wake him up to realise he can't go on. but what i really want obviously is a new leader. >> how quickly do you think this could happen if it multiplies? i mean, you've got the erg meeting tonight. other tonight. there'll be other meetings. will go to meetings. people will go back to their constituencies the their constituencies at the weekend. there'll be weekend. andrew and there'll be rage about the rage that rage about this, the rage that there's no plan b working their socks get around the tea socks off to get around the tea rooms and everything persuade rooms and everything to persuade people to stay calm, you know, back the prime minister, that's their job. >> so i'm theirjob. >> so i'm not sure. andrew it

depends how many have got the gumption to do it. i know the feeling for the seats at the moment, of course, and they're frightened of a snap election , frightened of a snap election, which any of us are. but to me, we're limping to failure at the moment . and as you said, bev, moment. and as you said, bev, we've just got to take hold of this and it's do or die, i'm afraid. yeah >> do you sense that that's going to happen ? going to happen? >> it's too early to say. i think, because obviously i put my letter in monday evening . my letter in monday evening. suella is yesterday evening and now this today. i think. i think we'll know more today. >> have you spoken to suella with whatsapped ? how is she? with whatsapped? how is she? send her our love. >> i'll certainly will do. >> i'll certainly will do. >> definitely. how is she? genuinely, i want that kind of conversation right. what do you think? knowing her as a friend, she must have felt very relieved i >>i -- >> i think hm m >> i think she was probably relieved to be out of it. >> yeah. and that writing that letter must have been very cathartic for her. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> also, she would have to >> but also, she would have to be commons today, later

be in the commons today, later today, happened be in the commons today, later today,we happened be in the commons today, later today,we know happened be in the commons today, later today,we know from happened be in the commons today, later today,we know from her happened be in the commons today, later today,we know from her letterned be in the commons today, later today,we know from her letter she when we know from her letter she a for her. she a lucky escape for her. she warned the prime minister if you don't out the human rights don't sort out the human rights issues chamber asking issues in the chamber asking a question. i mean she did question. but i mean she did say, didn't you don't say, didn't she, if you don't support human rights support the human rights stuff out, isn't work . out, this isn't going to work. >> yeah, i agree with you. >> yeah, i agree with you. >> right. andrew jenkins, it's a j'oy you >> right. andrew jenkins, it's a joy you on. >> right. andrew jenkins, it's a joy it's you on. >> right. andrew jenkins, it's a joy it's to you on. >> right. andrew jenkins, it's a joy it's to great on. >> right. andrew jenkins, it's a joy it's to great have you here. >> it's to great have you here. >> it's to great have you here. >> the first one to go public with the letter telling us now that least more. that at least six more. >> funny, it's letters in. >> it's funny, it's letters in. >> it's funny, it's letters in. >> it's funny, it's letters in. >> it's often the women who have to stick their neck out. first of well done, andrea. of all, well done, andrea. right. let's go live to westminster political westminster to our political edhon editor, christopher hope. good morning, what you saw andrew >> chris, what you saw andrew jenkins confirming that she talked people in the talked to six people in the division last night who division lobby last night who said, yes, yes. there could said, yes, yes. that there could be course, but also be more. of course, but also a lot of mps will never say if they've put a letter into the chairman of the and i don't chairman of the 22. and i don't sense, chris, i don't sense from my own talking to mps. sense, chris, i don't sense from my own talking to mps . there's a my own talking to mps. there's a there's the clamour yet to replace him . replace him. >> there is no plan. there is no

clamour because there's no one to replace him yet. we heard, didn't we, that andrew jenkins saying priti patel possibly could challenge. but what could be a challenge. but what you need, you need to have is as many 50 or so tory mps must many as 50 or so tory mps must sign these letters, send them off brady. graham off to graham brady. graham brady, of the 1922 brady, the chairman of the 1922 committee. he'll then count them up over the up when he gets over the threshold. say this up when he gets over the th going d. say this up when he gets over the th going to say this up when he gets over the th going to be say this up when he gets over the th going to be a say this up when he gets over the th going to be a no say this up when he gets over the th going to be a no confidence is going to be a no confidence vote in the pm. rishi sunak i think it's more of a warning shot from the right. don't see shot from the right. i don't see any of challenge before the any kind of challenge before the election sunak's election into mr sunak's leadership. what's more interesting, is that interesting, i think, is that these the it's the these are the right it's the right wing tory mps. mps are worried future worried about their future livelihoods, worried about the red they can red wall seats, whether they can try and make sure that they can bnng try and make sure that they can bring the party back to the idea, the idea is that the party won power on in 2019. that's what the new conservatives want. miriam danny kruger told miriam cates danny kruger told us that gb news yesterday get back mandate that that back to that mandate that that that big landslide got for them around me camera camera colleagues here are getting ready to photograph rishi sunak leaving the house of commons

leaving for the house of commons shortly in the vehicle behind me. happens, i'll move me. if that happens, i'll move away you can see what's away so you can see what's happening. but this is a major moment going to moment for the pm he's going to be keir starmer, who, you be facing keir starmer, who, you know, frankly can take his pick on attack the prime on how to attack the prime minister, whether the minister, whether it's on the rwanda plan or the almost quoting from suella quoting the letter from suella braverman we saw last night, whereas b, why are you whereas the plan b, why are you sat on your hands a year, sat on your hands for a year, prime indeed why? why prime minister? indeed why? why have got a is your new have you got a is your new foreign secretary called david cameron? wrong cameron? what's wrong with the other mps your benches? other 360 mps on your benches? why they do the job? why can't they do the job? i mean, there's so many mean, there's almost so many attack for for attack lines for the for sir keir starmer having said that, it's a good on inflation. it's a good day on inflation. inflation is down, it's halved. it's what one five it's what is one of the five targets the pm set himself back in january has been achieved. he has inflation and that's a has cut inflation and that's a big many, many might think. big win. many, many might think. for our viewers watching, for all of our viewers watching, that's most significant news that's the most significant news of the day them. the of the day for them. the inflation is now more than half this year, and the hope it this year, and the hope is it can further year, can get down further next year, maybe year. and ease maybe 3% next year. and ease that of living pressure for that cost of living pressure for so many our viewers. but so many of our viewers. but politically, the big issue is,

is rwanda. that plan now is rwanda. that plan is now looks like it's toast. the statement from the pm. we've heard today looks like they've got for got another another plan for another country to try and another safe country to try and process your arrivals . we'll process your new arrivals. we'll wait see. but you've got to wait and see. but you've got to find an answer and soon, because the about the numbers of mps crossed about it mounting. andrew leadsom it is mounting. andrew leadsom andrea jenkyns forgive me, he said. six mps may put letters in that could that could increase, increase going forward that increase going forward and that might a mistake might trigger by a mistake a vote of no confidence. >> chris just just briefly, we're james we're going to get james cleverly, the home secretary, doing statement doing an emergency statement this do we think this afternoon. do we think suella braverman , as former suella braverman, as former home secretary, will of the secretary, will be one of the first to rise to speak in the commons chamber because if she does, it will be stand room only? >> well, that's right. but she's got her own moment if she wants it, which is a resignation statement, which could happen next week . andrew, she may want next week. andrew, she may want to keep a powder dry till then, although she may want to make a short a short question about rwanda. who the rwanda. someone who knows the policy if that policy intimately. and if that was home secretary until early

monday morning, knows knows monday morning, so knows knows the problems it, has the problems with it, has written letter. we know her written a letter. we know her criticism, but her her intervention be about intervention will be about leadership, where can leadership, about where she can position herself being position herself as being a standard bearer of the right and whether should can whether she should she can command support those command the support of all those people andrea jenkyns is people like andrea jenkyns is saying, to want to to saying, want to want to want to have a of no confidence in have a vote of no confidence in the prime minister. >> okay, thanks. thanks, the prime minister. >> okchris. thanks. thanks, the prime minister. >> okchris. th'ofzs. thanks, the prime minister. >> okchris. th'of your anks, chris. chris. loads of your messages coming in. jon ofsted suella braverman is spot on. sunak cronies are not sunak and his cronies are not interested what happens to interested in what happens to this says, this country. linda says, i think the best for the think the best thing for the conservatives get of conservatives to get rid of sunak nothing sunak they've got nothing to lose now. white outside the lose now. mark white outside the supreme court. morning mark. what's what's going on down there? huge. the ripples from this decision will last for years, if not months . this years, if not months. this >> yeah, absolutely . there is no >> yeah, absolutely. there is no doubt this is a complete disaster for the government and for the new home secretary in his first week in office. and we've just had a statement now from james cleverly, who says

channel crossings are down compared to last year. that's true. they're down about 30, but that's all down to the weather. i think rather than anything else. he says. we've increased immigration enforcement activity . asylum decisions have tripled since the start of the year and we've ramped up return ons. our partnership with rwanda, while bold and ambitious, is just one part of a vehicle of measures to stop boats and tackle illegal migration. but clearly there is an appetite for this concept, he says. an appetite for this concept, he says . across europe, illegal says. across europe, illegal migration is increasing and the governments are following our lead italy, germany and austria are exploring models similar to our partnership with rwanda. he goes on to say, we will carefully review today's judgement to underscore the implications and our next steps and we will continue to look at

every possible avenue to disrupt the vile criminal gangs , blah the vile criminal gangs, blah blah blah. you can guess the rest. but effectively he's saying they're going to take time to consider what was handed down here by the supreme court. not, though , instantly offering not, though, instantly offering solutions and saying clearly it seems that they're wedded to this idea of a third party nafion this idea of a third party nation to send asylum seekers to talking about italy and austria and germany among others, who are considering this very concept themselves . all okay. concept themselves. all okay. >> thank you, mark. >> thank you, mark. >> that was the most mealy mouthed, ridiculous statement from james cleverly. >> we're going to go straight back to number two downing street because chris hope's got more breaking news. more for us. breaking news. chris we're definitely going to get there eventually . it's get there eventually. it's a long way from paddington to downing street .

downing street. >> chris, what have you got ? >> chris, what have you got? chris, audio at the moment, just let's reflect on what james cleverly was saying there. he said this was a bold and ambitious plan. oh, right. ho. but you don't give a country £140 million just because you feel like being bold and ambitious. not good enough. >> but also when you read the detail, we're going straight back to bottom. we've got the audio sorted. chris hope, our political editor in number 10 outside it's some outside number 10. it's got some breaking news for us. chris >> yeah, you've got the pm here. rishi sunak leaving for a make or break prime minister questions right now because he got his backbenchers got a lot of his backbenchers are very cross upset. lack of preparation for this defeat in the supreme he's the supreme court. he's even behind prime behind me in his prime minister's to wish him minister's car to wish him a good morning as he left there. but good morning but will he be a good morning for him? we're not sure what gb news all afternoon because i think crisis is nowhere think this crisis is nowhere near for the prime near over for the prime minister. just beginning. >> how serious could this get

for him today, do you think, chris? we'll wait and see. >> temperature of >> we'll take the temperature of those i those backbench interventions. i mean, there was lots of sympathy, i think, for mps concerned the the concerned about the way the courts what courts can rule against what they is the will of they would say is the will of they would say is the will of the people controlling our borders. on. borders. that was voted on. that was of party's was the part of the party's manifesto back 2019. but manifesto back in in 2019. but what this is a frustration as revealed by suella braverman last night in her letter, last night on in her letter, which revealed on gb news is the lack of preparation . and as lack of preparation. and as andrew earlier, can't andrew said earlier, you can't just go for one eye, one idea and backing remain until remain loses and then there's no leave idea. what are the plan b ? idea. well, what are the plan b? what is the option here what is what is the option here for the prime minister who must suggest to mps right suggest something to mps right now really now because they'll be really cross for body cross be watching for body language him. there'll be language behind him. there'll be lots folded arms , wait and lots of folded arms, wait and see suella braverman see whether suella braverman says bill cash might says anything. bill cash might says anything. bill cash might say something, have a meeting going past hour of going on for the past hour of conservative us right wingers working out what to do next. there's a meeting next tuesday of the european of the european research group on the eve of the

autumn statement . we are now in autumn statement. we are now in into a very big eight days for the prime minister. we've got this announcement today on supreme wednesday is supreme court next wednesday is the statement. next the autumn statement. next thursday is net migration figures, migration figures, annual net migration figures, annual net migration figures, which could could be even the 600,000 who even more than the 600,000 who arrived year . so even more than the 600,000 who arrived year. so this is arrived last year. so this is a good day on the inflation side that's fallen well done, mr sunak. but listen, it's a big crisis right now on crisis happening right now on immigration says immigration and what he says next define his premiership. >> right. that's chris hope . >> all right. that's chris hope. and course, it's going to be and of course, it's going to be made much for rishi made so much worse for rishi sunak when he stands up to do prime questions prime minister's questions today, mp today, because every tory mp will the letter from will have read the letter from the home secretary, former home secretary, saying you, secretary, saying i warned you, i and even if it had i told you, and even if it had gone through, it wasn't going to work. >> and that's he's stupid, >> and that's why he's stupid, because could have because he probably could have styled this out he hadn't styled this out if he hadn't sacked 48 hours sacked suella braverman 48 hours ago everyone is ago because now everyone is comparing decision that comparing the decision that happened court happened in the supreme court today letter and today with her letter and drawing conclusions. is drawing conclusions. that is a weak man. if you hadn't sacked her, he might been able her, he might have been able to style out. style this out. >> going go to our

>> we're going to go back to our international human rights lawyer, we like international human rights lawy much, we like international human rights lawy much, although we like international human rights lawy much, although we we like international human rights lawy much, although we don't like very much, although we don't often agree with him. david hague, get you back. hague, good to get you back. sorry the problems sorry about the problems earlier. say on the earlier. now you say on the bafis earlier. now you say on the basis of what the judges had before them, they could to before them, they could come to no other decision. but you've told before program, told us before on this program, david, asylum david, the number of asylum seekers who to see you, seekers who come to see you, barely 20% of them are legitimate , a legitimate. the legitimate, a legitimate. the rest are bogus. and yet these judges are worrying that the rwandan, the rwandan authorities may send people back to their own country of origin when they're probably not genuine asylum seekers. in the first place. well absolutely, andrew. >> and the thing here i think we need to look at is that , yes, we need to look at is that, yes, we have a problem in asylum. we know that it's a problem in england. it's a it's a global problem. and that why did the government in the first place put in place policies which it knew when it started doing them , knew when it started doing them, broke existing laws without changing those laws change the

laws first, then put in place policies that meet them and then you don't have this problem. instead they didn't change the law. they put in place policies which they would have known from the beginning come to the beginning would have come to this, end are wasting this, this, this end are wasting countless millions . countless millions. >> sorry, david, that's not quite is it? because the quite right, is it? because the original verdict of high original verdict of the high court favour and then in court was in favour and then in the when was appealed , it was the when it was appealed, it was a21 verdict against the government and the lord chief justice no less backed the government. some of them at government. so some of them at least thought the government lawyers who probably the lawyers who probably aren't the best they'd got it best lawyers, that they'd got it right . right. >> i think i think it's fair to say reasonable to assume it could. it could fail. and then if you at facts, for if you look at facts, for instance, look at instance, if you look at the barge, putting on barge, even putting people on a barge, even putting people on a barge it was ready, when barge before it was ready, when it was riddled with problems, why are they doing why are they why are they doing that? and you know, that's the i think something that to think something that we need to look it seems to me look at. and it seems to me a lot about politics and not really about protecting the borders. these two policies really about protecting the borderevenase two policies really about protecting the bordereven ifs two policies really about protecting the bordereven if they two policies really about protecting the bordereven if they did policies really about protecting the bordereven if they did work, es really about protecting the bordereven if they did work, the which even if they did work, the numbers that would dealt with numbers that would be dealt with under are tiny compared to

under them are tiny compared to the that got . deal the problem that we've got. deal with the 147,000 people in the in the backlog deal with the overstayers from tourist visas from from work visas, from student visas. there's the big numbers. why are we not addressing putting all this attention there rather than some headune attention there rather than some headline grabbing policies? >> how big is your backlog of refugees and asylum seekers? david, seeking your legal expertise? presumably you're all on legal aid . on legal aid. >> well, no. i mean, i'm very, very picky. only focus on, on, on middle east. and i work pro bono for the cases that i do. so i'm very, very, very picky. as we discussed before. so, i mean, but i think, you know, what we need to do, address the backlog that we've get that dealt that we've got, get that dealt with and that will that's one of the things that we need to do something else that i think is worth interesting to look at is did the government have this judgement draft a few days judgement in draft a few days ago? common ago? now that's quite common with court and that with the supreme court and that would very other people would be very and other people haven't on this, but haven't picked up on this, but and know there been all and you know there have been all sorts court orders and you

sorts of court orders and you couldn't talk about it, but it would very interesting would be very interesting to find government had find out if this government had this in draft this this judgement in draft a few days ago. >> didn't david but, who >> didn't david but, but who knows a murky knows? politics is a murky business as you know, told that they only got a bit of notice a few minutes before but david thank you anyway, we'd like to talk to you for longer. that's david. hey human rights lawyer. one nicer ones. one of one of the nicer ones. one of the best. lovely. we like him. we like him. we're going keep we like him. we're going to keep you date on carrying on. you up to date on carrying on. if it's breaking news, you're if it's breaking news, if you're just tuning yes. the supreme just tuning in. yes. the supreme court chucked out the rwanda court has chucked out the rwanda refugee unanimously. refugee plan unanimously. of course, it did. chaos. the government absolutely government has absolutely no plan sunak on his plan b. rishi sunak is on his way parliament for prime way to parliament for prime minister's i hope way to parliament for prime mini roasted. i hope way to parliament for prime mini roasted. comingi hope way to parliament for prime mini roasted. coming up)pe way to parliament for prime mini roasted. coming up next, he's roasted. coming up next, we're going to get our headlines with sir . it's 1132. with sir. it's 1132. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. the prime minister has vowed to do whatever it takes to stop small boat crossings after the government's rwanda policy

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& co weeknights from. six name is 1139. >> and you're with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson. bev turner awful story that we haven't given enough attention to this morning because obviously in the supreme court. >> but really wanted to bring >> but we really wanted to bring it to you. this is seven members of a glasgow paedophile gang have of have been found guilty of running child sex running a monstrous child sex abuse running a monstrous child sex ablwell, earlier on breakfast, >> well, earlier on breakfast, they spoke to former police detective bleksley . this detective peter bleksley. this is what he said. this case is so depraved , the details are so depraved, the details are so harrowing that some of the news papers are putting warnings ahead of their articles. >> so that readers can brace themselves or look away. these were primary school children who were primary school children who were plied with alcohol and cocaine and then subjected to the most horrific sexual . the most horrific sexual. offences and they were in because these heroin addicted

paedophiles had convinced the children that they had magic powers, that they were witches and they were wizards and they had wands and they used a ouija board , all with the intent of board, all with the intent of terrifying these children into believing that they had powers that enabled them to fulfil all their sick and depraved sexual fantasies as well. >> that was peter bleksley. and if you were listening on the radio, the an image flashed up of the six people who've been convicted, they're going to be sentenced in the new year for a very, very, very long time. i hope.is very, very, very long time. i hope. is it wrong of me? we've got panel us, emma got our panel back with us, emma and is it wrong of me and stephen, is it wrong of me to feel more shocked when i see that one of the convicted is woman? >> i think two of them are women. >> two, forgive me. >> two, forgive me. >> well, the second one didn't look like a woman. >> i think people underestimate the women capable the evil that women are capable of. there have of. and actually, there have been of child murderers and

been lots of child murderers and very serious criminals and serial killers that have been women. so i think lucy letby i think i think the reason why why people find it so shocking when women commit these crimes compared to men is that women are expected to have that maternal feeling in a way that men perhaps are not. and so there's something more shocking about a woman doing something horrific to an innocent child or even being complicit in men doing something horrific to an innocent child. >> they were heroin addicts. i'm going to read their names out because i think it's important. ian owens , elaine lowry, leslie ian owens, elaine lowry, leslie williams . ian owens, elaine lowry, leslie williams. paul brennan. scott forbes , barry watson and john forbes, barry watson and john clark , all between the ages of clark, all between the ages of 39 and 50 years old. stephen pound. 39 and 50 years old. stephen pound . and my question remains pound. and my question remains about this is how were they able to have access to so many children and sometimes children staying overnight in their house? >>i house? >> i don't think i've read anything in the papers in the last year or so that's utterly

depressed me and almost burnt me to my soul when i read about this and my thoughts, first of all, was what's going to happen to those children? yeah, those children have got an adult life ahead of them. can it be a proper life? what support can we give them? secondly those children would either children would have either gone back school the back to primary school after the horror or wouldn't be horror or they wouldn't be attending primary if attending primary school. if they to primary school they went back to primary school where the teachers fail ? and where did the teachers fail? and if didn't go, why earth if they didn't go, why on earth wasn't that flagged up? i have if they didn't go, why on earth wasay that flagged up? i have if they didn't go, why on earth wasay i'mt flagged up? i have if they didn't go, why on earth wasay i'm againstd up? i have if they didn't go, why on earth wasay i'm against the? i have if they didn't go, why on earth wasay i'm against the deathve to say i'm against the death penalty principle , but penalty on principle, but sometimes have to say i think sometimes i have to say i think maybe that's the only language we're going to get straight. >> we want to just bring that in because a huge story, because it's a huge story, because it's a huge story, because normally would because normally that would be a massive story. but we can't. rwanda is a massive story. it's a huge crisis for the prime minister. were talking minister. we were talking earlier studio to andrew earlier in the studio to andrew jenkins, spoke to jenkins, who says she spoke to six mps in the division six tory mps in the division lobbies last night who kind of put in of no confidence. put letters in of no confidence. and are sorts and there are all sorts of meetings in meetings taking place in westminster next westminster over the next few days. prime minister's days. the prime minister's leadership in serious crisis

leadership is in serious crisis and deservedly my view, for and deservedly in my view, for the he's conducted himself the way he's conducted himself over he to go? over rwanda. has he got to go? >> look, i think either >> well, look, i think either way, catastrophic for way, this is catastrophic for the conservatives. if rishi the conservatives. so if rishi does out, then does go and is forced out, then this a lot of chaos very this is a lot of chaos very close to the next general election. and if he stays, we're stuck in the situation that stuck in the same situation that we been in now some we have been in now for some time basically have a time where we basically have a bloodless conservative party. there blood running there is no blood running through veins of the party through the veins of the party at all. they're not in touch with the british people. and actually, importantly, as a gb news poll, in fact, found just today that that the conservative party are not only not in touch with voters across the country , with voters across the country, but they are seriously out of step with their own voters . and step with their own voters. and so if rishi sunak does continue and given his vision, obviously for the conservative party, he seems to think bringing in people like david cameron is going to make the situation any better. they're at an all time low in terms of the polls. labour have got a 30 point lead

in our own gb news poll today. it's madness and i think rishi does not have his head screwed on. he doesn't . i think he's on. he doesn't. i think he's trying to he's trying to present himself as the responsible doer. but the reality is that if you if anybody saw that cabinet meeting video that was posted on social media, it almost looked like satire . it's embarrassing. like satire. it's embarrassing. and so if rishi stays , it's and so if rishi stays, it's a disaster. if rishi goes , it's disaster. if rishi goes, it's a disaster. if rishi goes, it's a disaster . disaster. >> politically, seriously . i >> politically, seriously. i mean, stephen, i mean, i know you're a labour man, you're a former labour mp, but would it be the gift that keeps giving if the tory party then committed took out another leader before the next general election? >> well, i'm sorry. five prime ministers in five years. you know, just see the know, you can just see the leaflets. republic . well, leaflets. banana republic. well, it look pretty awful. but it would look pretty awful. but look, say one thing look, can i just say one thing for and get out at the for and get wiped out at the election? no political election? there's no political party europe which is better party in europe which is better skilled elections than skilled at losing elections than the that's true. the labour party. that's true. we have got form. we got we have got form. we have got expertise we can snatch

expertise and we can snatch defeat the jaws of victory defeat from the jaws of victory with and great with great ability and great expertise. however it's going to be damn difficult to lose the next election. very very difficult. there's a of difficult. however, there's a of light mean, the figures on light. i mean, the figures on the economy, on inflation are actually too bad. the economy, on inflation are act|it'sy too bad. the economy, on inflation are act|it's a too bad. the economy, on inflation are act|it's a huge too bad. the economy, on inflation are act|it's a huge drop too bad. the economy, on inflation are act|it's a huge drop today.id. the economy, on inflation are act|it's a huge drop today. i. >> it's a huge drop today. i mean, the chancellor called it seismic. >> well, let's remember, you know , james carville in the know, james carville in the clinton it's the economy , clinton it's the economy, stupid. and think a great many stupid. and i think a great many people actually vote with people do actually vote with their on their wallets. their hands on their wallets. and happen. and i think that could happen. it's yet, but it's not finished yet, but i disagree with a number of very distinguished commentators disagree with a number of very dist that shed commentators disagree with a number of very dist that shed ccbraverman s disagree with a number of very dist that shed ccbraverman could say that suella braverman could come in and actually storm the nation. well, bev is saying she's distinguished she's a distinguished commentator. about commentator. i'm talking about distinguished implies old dean >>iam dean >> i am quite old, but no, i didn't. i mean , one of the most didn't. i mean, one of the most recent polls looking into who is the most popular cabinet minister or mps was kemi badenoch actually comes out repeatedly a particularly amongst conservative grass. well, she's playing the long game, isn't she? >> yeah, she is. >> yeah, she is. >> she's being very, very skilful because signing a trade dealin skilful because signing a trade deal in florida only yesterday . deal in florida only yesterday.

>> it's a bit like boris johnson's. >> i'm ever so sorry he can't be an oxbridge. i'm in afghanistan. whoops. >> right. listen, it's going to be today, of course. we be pmqs today, of course. so we need just take a quick break. need to just take a quick break. after which we will start the build up to pmqs. it's going to be be very fiery one. be which will be very fiery one. here's your weather, though. >> seismic. here's your weather, though. >> yeah. seismic. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> hello again. alex burkill here with your gb news here with your latest gb news weather forecast ahead of some wet windy weather the wet and windy weather in the south actually south tomorrow. it's actually a largely day here today. largely fine day here today. however across northern parts, we area of low pressure, we have an area of low pressure, not a particularly deep one, but associate and occluded fronts are bringing areas of cloud and some outbreaks of rain. we've seen some particularly heavy rain across of south—west rain across parts of south—west scotland as we've through scotland as we've gone through this but elsewhere this morning. but elsewhere across northern parts into the afternoon , it is going to be afternoon, it is going to be quite cloudy there will be quite cloudy and there will be some times some further rain at times a dner some further rain at times a drier picture and a sunnier picture across more central southern england and southern parts of england and wales ireland with wales and northern ireland with temperatures here around average for year . but a for the time of year. but a little bit cooler further north as go through this evening as we go through this evening and overnight, with

and overnight, we'll stick with the cloudy skies across the largely cloudy skies across many areas. the many northern areas. but the outbreaks will gradually outbreaks of rain will gradually clear away . some clear skies clear away. some clear skies towards far north of towards the far north of scotland could lead to a touch of frost and some patchy of frost here and some patchy fog a few places. but our fog in a few places. but our attention then turns this attention then turns to this swathe and weather, swathe of wet and windy weather, pushing way in from the pushing its way in from the southwest. to southwest. this will start to lift temperatures. so here it should be a relatively mild start thursday morning, but start on thursday morning, but it going a wet and it is going to be a wet and windy morning across southern areas, likely to cause some areas, too. likely to cause some problems the roads during the problems on the roads during the morning hour with morning rush hour with heavy rain and winds. gales are rain and strong winds. gales are possible in coastal areas and we could see a little bit of flooding a drier picture further north bright or sunny north with some bright or sunny skies and temperatures for many similar a touch down compared similar or a touch down compared to by

waste of money. and rishi sunak has got no plan b because suella braverman told him he hasn't got. >> well, not only is it going to be a bit feisty and a bit steamy because of that, we've also got the snp debate as an amendment to the king's speech as about gaza for gaza and calling for a ceasefire, of course. and now that a certain fissure that there's a certain fissure running through certain political amendment to political a labour amendment to by own by labour tabling their own amendment rebels amendment is for easy the rebels to abstain on. >> won. >> the snp won. >> the snp won. >> that's technical point that >> that's a technical point that probably 2% people probably only 2% of the people in this country would understand. but fortunately you in this country would und

stand back, looking sad and sorrowful secretly chuckling sorrowful and secretly chuckling within know, within because, you know, when you watch enemies you when you watch your enemies self—destruct of you, self—destruct in front of you, you back say, you just stand back and say, crack on, lads. >> you're doing a betterjob than i could. >> not that he's got a plan, stephen of course he has. >> i mean, you've got 3.5 >> i mean, if you've got 3.5 hours, i'll explain you. hours, i'll explain to you. >> has got a plan. don't >> he has not got a plan. don't forget, as i've said before, all in, labour's plan. in, that's labour's plan. >> no, no. all in. i'm >> no, no, no. all in. i'm sorry, judges. no not on words. but. actions but. but not. but our actions and deeds. we controlled and our deeds. we controlled immigration when we last in immigration when we were last in power because we actually. >> the originator >> tony blair is the originator of the doors an of flinging the doors open an absolute cobblers. of flinging the doors open an absolu did.ybblers. >> he did. >> he did. >> you're talking about european expansion. you remember, we expansion. if you remember, we actually people was actually had people he was poland coming over here. >> stephen, you, you >> stephen, i'll remind you, you made a huge contribution. i will remind advised, as remind you, he was advised, as prime to bring in prime minister to bring in transitional arrangements prime minister to bring in transi limits arrangements prime minister to bring in transi limits on ingements prime minister to bring in transi limits on the ments prime minister to bring in transi limits on the numbers bring limits on the numbers coming eastern coming in from eastern europe, which happened in other which is what happened in other countries. no. he best. countries. oh, no. he knew best. and they flooded in in their hundreds thousands and none hundreds of thousands and none of voted labour, of those poles voted labour, i hasten because the hasten to add, because the poush hasten to add, because the polish very, very conservative. >> but the fact is they made a

vast contribution the vast contribution to the country. they a great country. they were a great economic drivers. yes. >> standards , none >> even by your standards, none of them voted labour. stephen okay. stephen that's a rather silly to say. silly thing to say. >> i beg your okay. but >> i beg your pardon. okay. but one of one of the tropes that people at the time was, oh, people said at the time was, oh, he's letting people in because they labour. believe they will vote labour. believe you i come from of the you me, i come from one of the biggest polish communities in the and you not get the country and you do not get an awful lot. >> very true. an awful lot. >> i�*ery true. an awful lot. >> i just:rue. an awful lot. >> i just didn't want to vote for you. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> what do you think, stephen? that's all prime minister's questions, that's all prime minister's questiconce all glued >> for once we'll all be glued to it because i think it's going to it because i think it's going to be really interesting. >> just, >> bloodbath, frankly. i just, i think you're saying about keir starmer, he really does just need say need to sit back and say nothing. yeah, because if he says anything, the attention nothing. yeah, because if he says be ything, the attention nothing. yeah, because if he says be drawn the attention nothing. yeah, because if he says be drawn t01e attention nothing. yeah, because if he says be drawn to the tention nothing. yeah, because if he says be drawn to the fact on nothing. yeah, because if he says be drawn to the fact that nothing. yeah, because if he say party rawn to the fact that nothing. yeah, because if he say party is vn to the fact that nothing. yeah, because if he say party is riventhe fact that nothing. yeah, because if he say party is riven with act that nothing. yeah, because if he say party is riven with act much his party is riven with as much division and chaos as the conservatives. it'sjust division and chaos as the conservatives. it's just that it's less obvious because they're yet. and of they're not in power yet. and of course, real danger for course, the real danger for starmer for sorry for sunak isn't what starmer says. >> actually, it's what's said from behind him. >> absolutely. the tory mps get up and you know, hell hath

up now and you know, hell hath no fury like suella spurned, because that she's going because now that she's going to because now that she's going to be supported by be a backbench mp supported by all of these mps who lack confidence in rishi sunak, this is going to be an impossible situation for him. i think whether he manages to cling on to power or not, it's going to be an absolute bloodbath. >> why did he sack her when he did? why did he suck her on monday? was monday? it's been monday? was it monday? it's been a week, hasn't because a long week, hasn't it? because really, if just waited, he really, if he just waited, he could have sacked her today and used this an excuse used this as an excuse and passed bus. passed the bus. >> he might done, she >> what he might have done, she might sensibly, she might >> what he might have done, she migh resigned.1sibly, she might have resigned. >> then denied the >> and then he's denied the chance to say if i think, well, they that they were having they said that they were having discussions cleverly long discussions with cleverly long before whole over before this whole hoo ha over the letter. >> if had any sense, >> but if they had any sense, they have even told the they wouldn't have even told the pubuc they wouldn't have even told the public hadn't signed public that they hadn't signed that because, of that letter off because, of course, going to down course, it's going to go down well with those red wall votes. what essentially is what they've essentially done is just those balls. just dunked those red balls. >> the interesting >> but the other interesting thing is and done away with them is how earth cameron, is how on earth david cameron, within minutes, within the space of 25 minutes, gets elevated to the peerage

when anybody has to go when anybody else has to go through the house through the house of the house of nominations committee. through the house of the house of you nominations committee. through the house of the house of you nomformers committee. through the house of the house of you nomformer primenittee. do you have former prime minister that's not the point. do you have former prime min know,hat's not the point. do you have former prime min know, you not the point. do you have former prime min know, you can't:he point. do you have former prime min know, you can't justoint. do you have former prime min know, you can't just simply you know, you can't just simply wake up and say, andrew pierce is to be baron pierce of wherever. >> so doesn't that say something about nature of what i'm about the nature of what i'm saying rishi that rishi saying under rishi that rishi himself have himself was not doesn't have a proper mandate? himself was not doesn't have a pro because mandate? himself was not doesn't have a pro because manydate? himself was not doesn't have a pro because many prime ministers. >> you're denying me my conspiracy my conspiracy theory here. my conspiracy theory here. my conspiracy theory here. my conspiracy theory that they conspiracy theory is that they knew weeks ago. but knew about this weeks ago. but on the other point about britain, forget of the britain, never forget one of the first of parliamentary first rules of parliamentary politics opponents politics is your opponents sit opposite enemies opposite you, your enemies sit all you. all around you. >> that's what say. >> well, that's what i say. that's why danger for sunak today. >> of course, there's no end of them your bovine flat footed them on your bovine flat footed leader of the labour party. >> it will be the tory critics from behind him. >> don't think it >> but don't you think that it says something rishi's says something about the rishi's approach he approach to this, that he himself being somebody who, approach to this, that he him know,eing somebody who, approach to this, that he him know, he somebody who, approach to this, that he him know, he was1ebody who, approach to this, that he him know, he was voted! who, approach to this, that he him know, he was voted in who, approach to this, that he him know, he was voted in afterio, you know, he was voted in after liz truss? wasn't. he wasn't liz truss? he wasn't. he wasn't who electorate wanted or who who the electorate wanted or who the party wants. shameless and then appoints as foreign then he appoints as foreign secretary who doesn't secretary somebody who doesn't have and that have a constituency and that nobody voted for. so who will be

surprised that they are drifting further and further away from those red wall seats and from their actual constituent who's on the to do is pay attention to the kwasi kwarteng was doing the media round this morning. >> kwasi kwarteng a 20 >> kwasi kwarteng had a 20 minute with nick minute interview with nick ferrari morning, ferrari this morning, which is one the longest interviews one of the longest interviews i've who i've heard for somebody who isn't minister, why was isn't a prime minister, why was he doing that? what was he up to? think we can hazard a guess. >> i don't think he thinks he's going to be tory. i'm not even sure he's going to stand for parliament. no, no, no. parliament. no, no, no, no. >> part group of, >> but part of that group of, you who thinking you know, who are thinking beyond election. beyond the next election. oh, yeah. hand, i mean yeah. on the other hand, i mean lbc. lbc by the way, is a minor radio tom moore inferior broadcaster. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> why weren't you listening >> and why weren't you listening to gb news? >> ears. >> i have two ears. >>— >> i have two ears. >> right two faces. >> right to two faces. >> right to two faces. >> right. up next. >> right. up next. >> i was waiting for that. yeah >> i was waiting for that. yeah >> after pmqs, it's >> all right. after pmqs, it's going be gb news live with going to be gb news live with pip tomson and tom harwood this afternoon. afternoon both you're going one. going to have a busy one. >> oh, it is going to be an extraordinarily busy day, as you've been talking the you've been talking about, the machinations tory machinations within the tory party. what exactly will the

party. what exactly will be the fallout? the prime fallout? how will the prime minister respond? hear minister respond? we'll hear from in just a few moments from him in just a few moments time and we'll dissect all. time and we'll dissect that all. but of course, splits in but also, of course, splits in the labour party a big vote this evening. could keir starmer be about to sack shadow about to sack 17 shadow ministers ? ministers? >> and that will pretty much fill our three hours that we've got. >> i think so much to talk about. who would want to be in rishi sunak shoes today? and we'll suella braverman the former home secretary who would normally be front bench. normally be on the front bench. she was two weeks ago. where will she will be sitting will she be? will she be sitting on back benches? will she be on the back benches? will she be there at join us live. there at all? join us live. prime minister's questions is a dramatic one. he's about to start a arade money that start a arade dam money that suella braverman in the chamber. >> oh yeah. >> oh yeah. >> yeah. >> oh yeah. >> oh yeah. >> as can to behind >> as she can to behind the prime minister yeah. and prime minister yeah. yeah. and i also that kemi badenoch. also noticed that kemi badenoch. i you she's as far i bet you she's sitting as far away she can. away as she can. >> well, she's in florida. don't forget doing. >> pretty far. >> that's pretty far. >> that's pretty far. >> but but when cleverly >> but. but but when cleverly makes the new makes his statement as the new home that's when home secretary, that's when i think she's to speak, think if she's going to speak, she could. >> well, she'll do what theresa

may did. >> remember, she'll one >> remember, she'll sit on one of the aisle seats and she'll she'll actually, after a while she'll actually, after a while she very she start nodding, nodding very wisely, then looking sad. wisely, and then looking sad. >> minutes before >> we a couple of minutes before pm was talking to up pm starts tom was talking to up to labour frontbenchers could pm starts tom was talking to up to sacked. r frontbenchers could pm starts tom was talking to up to sacked. r fr0|isyenchers could pm starts tom was talking to up to sacked. r fr0|is because could pm starts tom was talking to up to sacked. r fr0|is because the d be sacked. this is because the snp put a motion down snp has put a motion down demanding support for a ceasefire gaza. starmer won't ceasefire in gaza. starmer won't do but labour down do that, but labour has put down its motion which is talking its own motion which is talking about humanitarian , about extended humanitarian, humanitarian, humanitarian corridors. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> if they vote for the snp >> so if they vote for the snp motion, they're sacked. what if they vote for labour's they don't vote for labour's motion? well, a three there a frontbencher i mean you know, i mean i, i was actually sacked when i actually voted against trident renewal which i thought was insane, but it was labour policy at the time and i voted against renewing trident and spending 88 billion. a political earthquake. when you voted against. yeah. >> well, no, no. i was quietly sacked and nobody noticed, to be perfectly honest. know, perfectly honest. but you know, that's these things go. that's the way these things go. but a frontbench but but look, if a frontbench spokesperson votes the snp spokesperson votes for the snp motion, they say there's no debate, they just get sacked. it's as that. if they

it's as simple as that. if they abstain that's because three abstain, that's because a three line whip doesn't actually allow wriggle for abstention. wriggle room for abstention. however. mean if they however. you mean if they abstain their labour motion? >> indeed. yeah. >> indeed. yeah. >> well, think there's no >> well, i think there's no reason why they wouldn't vote. who's not going to vote for a sort some sort of sort of some sort of humanitarian aid because he doesn't say ceasefire, stephen. exactly. doesn't. but exactly. it doesn't. so but people satisfy people it won't satisfy a lot of people. but on the other hand, it actually it's in line it will actually it's in line with the and the with what the party and the labour are not the usual labour rebels are not the usual suspects, stephen. >> they are across the party. it's corbynite it's not just the corbynite wing. you've got somebody wing. when you've got somebody like timms, then stephen like stephen timms, then stephen timms, respected members. >> i was pps years. >> i was his pps for years. >> i was his pps for years. >> he's the cabinet, wasn't he? >> well, he was and he was, you know, one of these sort of sane, sensible, sober people. nobody could ever call him a headbanger when about this. when he's worried about this. but the problem has but i think the problem he has a very large muslim population in his indeed, his constituency and indeed, indeed i he's he's indeed he has. i think he's he's a above that sort of a bit above that sort of psephological but psephological advantage. but look, we've look, you know, we've talked about so times. people about this so many times. people want to be seen to be doing something. you know, and something. and so, you know, and i that ceasefire would i know that a ceasefire would simply be out for hamas.

simply be time out for hamas. they'd allow them regroup. they'd allow them to regroup. >> that's the line >> and that's cross the line because rishi sunak is now on his feet he's going to have his feet and he's going to have a difficult got a pretty difficult and he's got home secretary oliver to home secretary james oliver to the and the deputy the other side and the deputy prime minister, a prime minister, oliver dowden, a deeply unimpressive figure sitting elements sitting on his right elements that additional that they want additional certainty on, noted changes certainty on, and noted changes and that changes can be and noted that changes can be delivered in the future to address those issues, the government has been working already on a new treaty with rwanda and we will finalise that in light of today's judgement. >> and furthermore , more if >> and furthermore, more if necessary. i am prepared to revisit our domestic legal frameworks . let me assure the frameworks. let me assure the house my commitment to stopping the boats is unwavering. yes my right honourable friend, the home secretary will be making an oral statement shortly to the house. mr speaker, this morning i had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others in addition my duties in this addition to my duties in this house.i addition to my duties in this house. i shall further such house. i shall have further such meetings today. meetings later today. >> johnson thank you, >> mitchell johnson thank you, mr when the prime minister took >> when the prime minister took office, promised to lead a office, he promised to lead a government integrity ,