hamas. simply be time out for hamas. they'd allow them regroup. they'd allow them to regroup. >> that's the line >> and that's cross the line because rishi sunak is now on his feet he's going to have his feet and he's going to have a difficult got a pretty difficult and he's got home secretary oliver to home secretary james oliver to the and the deputy the other side and the deputy prime minister, a prime minister, oliver dowden, a deeply unimpressive figure sitting elements sitting on his right elements that additional that they want additional certainty on, noted changes certainty on, and noted changes and that changes can be and noted that changes can be delivered in the future to address those issues, the government has been working already on a new treaty with rwanda and we will finalise that in light of today's judgement. >> and furthermore , more if >> and furthermore, more if necessary. i am prepared to revisit our domestic legal frameworks . let me assure the frameworks. let me assure the house my commitment to stopping the boats is unwavering. yes my right honourable friend, the home secretary will be making an oral statement shortly to the house. mr speaker, this morning i had meetings with ministerial colleagues and others in addition my duties in this addition to my duties in this house.i addition to my duties in this house. i shall further such house. i shall have further such meetings today. meetings later today. >> johnson thank you, >> mitchell johnson thank you, mr when the prime minister took >> when the prime minister took office, promised to lead a office, he promised to lead a government integrity ,

government marked by integrity, professionalism and accountability at every level. what is it about the judgement of david cameron in his relationships with lex greenhill or his lobbying for chinese state interests that make the prime minister consider him to be a suitable candidate, to be the foreign secretary.7 yeah prime minister >> well, mr >> well, mr >> mr speaker, i'm delighted that the former prime minister has rejoined government as foreign secretary. he brings unrivalled experience and relationships across the world and will do a fantastic job championing british interests. everywhere he goes . to everywhere he goes. to >> thank you, mr speaker. tackling illegal immigration is a crucial issue for my constituents. >> many of whom will be extremely disappointed at this morning's judgement from the supreme court. is the prime minister able to update the house on what this decision means for the government's plan to tackle illegal immigration? prime minister >> well, can i thank my honourable friend for his

question. >> i know he has championed this issue and it matters to his constituents. as i said, the judgement that the judgement confirms that the principle removing asylum judgement confirms that the principlito removing asylum judgement confirms that the principlito aremoving asylum judgement confirms that the principlito a safeving asylum judgement confirms that the principlito a safe thirdasylum judgement confirms that the principlito a safe third country seekers to a safe third country is lawful. the government has already been working in advance on a new treaty with rwanda, which we will finalise in light of today's judgement. to of today's judgement. so to address the challenges were address the challenges that were raised . but let me say this raised. but let me say this again. if it becomes clear that our legal frameworks or our domestic legal frameworks or international conventions are still frustrating plans at that point , i still frustrating plans at that point, i am prepared to change our laws and revisit those international relationships . the international relationships. the british people expect to us do whatever it takes to stop the boats, and that is precisely what this government will deliver . i took the lead of the deliver. i took the lead of the opposition, keir starmer . thank opposition, keir starmer. thank you, mr speaker . you, mr speaker. >> the prime minister obviously thinks so little of his own mps that he's had to peel david cameron away from his seven year exile in a shepherd's hut and make him foreign secretary. >> but a few months ago , the

>> but a few months ago, the intelligence and security committee said that the now foreign secretary his role in a chinese investment fund may have been and this is their words, engineered by the chinese state. i hardly need to remind the prime minister of the threat posed by the chinese communist party or the intimidation against members of this house. so when will he instruct the foreign secretary to give full pubuc foreign secretary to give full public disclosure of his work for chinese interests? prime minister >> mr speaker, as i said, i'm delighted that the former prime minister has rejoined government as foreign secretary . we as a as as foreign secretary. we as a as an individual with unrivalled experience, he will help britain navigate an uncertain world in challenging times . of course, challenging times. of course, like every other government minister, he will go through the normal process with the independent adviser. but the government's position on china is clear . government's position on china is clear. china represents an epoch defining challenge. that's why we have taken strong and robust protect robust steps to protect ourselves against the risks that

it poses. but we'll take no lessons. mr speaker, the lessons. mr speaker, from the labour party on protecting our national security . they've national security. they've they've taken almost £700,000 from an alleged chinese agent. oh yes, starbucks . oh yes, starbucks. >> mr speaker, for sorry , yes, >> mr speaker, for sorry, yes, i think no, you're on the front bench. >> we need. just calm down. keir starmer mr speaker , for someone starmer mr speaker, for someone who spent the last few weeks complaining about recycling bins, it's ironic that his latest reset involves recycling the architects of 13 years of tory failure . tory failure. >> but this is the prime minister who also reanimated the career of the member for fareham in order to resuscitate his own just days after she was sacked for a national security breach. is he a shame that he was so desperate to become tory leader, so scared to face a vote that he put someone so totally unfit for

office in charge of britain's national security ? he mean, mr national security? he mean, mr speaker , he mentions 13 years. speaker, he mentions 13 years. >> we remember what happened at the beginning of that 13 years. it was this party that restored this country's financial security after after the labour party left no money behind. mr speaken party left no money behind. mr speaker, and it is a bit rich to take lectures on security from a man who wanted to make the former member for islington north, prime minister of our country . his father , the member country. his father, the member for islington north, isn't even a labour mp anymore . a labour mp anymore. >> a change party and strong leadership . leadership. >> mr speaker. >> mr speaker. >> luke, with a lot of business today, very important business with some important votes and i want to get through this speedily. >> keir starmer mr speaker , for >> keir starmer mr speaker, for 13 years our security has been undermined by this tory government and now, now the most ridiculous, pathetic spectacle

of all his rwanda scheme cooked up with his national security threat. home secretary has blown up. he was told over and over again that this would happen, that it would not work. and it was just the latest tory gimmick gimmick , but he bet everything gimmick, but he bet everything on it and now he's totally exposed . and the central pillar exposed. and the central pillar of his government has crumbled beneath him. does he want to apologise to the country for wasting . a £140 million of wasting. a £140 million of taxpayer cash on wasting his entire time in office? well prime minister, mr speaker, obviously the person officer didn't hear what i said about our approach to rwanda , and not our approach to rwanda, and not least when it comes to stopping the boat. >> rwanda is one part of our plan, which has already delivered a reduction in the number small boats year number of small boats this year by mr speaker. but he by a third. mr speaker. but he talks about apologising . he talks about apologising. he talks about apologising. he talks the former member talks about the former member not a labour now, yes, not being a labour mp. now, yes, he wasn't a labour when he he wasn't a labour mp when he declined different times to

declined 15 different times to say that hamas was a terrorist organisation . ian this week, organisation. ian this week, which is shameful, but he was a labour mp indeed. the honourable gentleman served with him . he gentleman served with him. he told the country he would make a great prime minister at that point . described great prime minister at that point. described hamas of point. he described hamas of friends. does he want to apologise now . this apologise for that now. this morning it's not funny. >> are we serious? >> are we serious? >> no , because i'm going to tell >> no, because i'm going to tell you . you. >> oh, i wouldn't challenge because i've got to say , our because i've got to say, our constituents are watching this . constituents are watching this. they're very, very concerned about the affairs of today. the very concerned about the votes later today. a lot of members wish to speak, those who don't want that to happen, please , uh, want that to happen, please, uh, go outside, go and have a conversation there. you want to bawl and shout, do it elsewhere. but it won't be happening in here today. keir starmer mr speaken here today. keir starmer mr speaker, i'm so glad he agrees this is a changed labour party and while he was wasting his

time on this gimmick, the asylum backlog has swollen to 175,000 people. >> taxpayers are paying £8 million a day on hotel bills and 615 people arrive by small boat. last sunday alone plan a has failed and after this session, whether he likes it or not, he'll have to go back to his office, back to the drawing board and start from scratch. can he assure the british public that he will drop? what is former home secretary calls his magical thinking and start treating small boat crossings with the seriousness that they deserve ? prime minister mr speaken >> mr speaker , he talks about >> mr speaker, he talks about a change labour party . perhaps change labour party. perhaps we'll see that this evening . he we'll see that this evening. he can't even make his party do the right thing when it comes for standing by israel in the vote later today. he talks about taking boats crossing taking small boats crossing seriously . opposed every seriously. he's opposed every single measure that we have

taken . mr speaker, again, let me taken. mr speaker, again, let me update him on what we've done this year. the number of illegal albanian arrivals down by 90, 20,000 people returned this year , the number of crossings down by a third. he mentioned hotels closing , 50 of by a third. he mentioned hotels closing, 50 of them. by a third. he mentioned hotels closing , 50 of them. money by a third. he mentioned hotels closing, 50 of them. money being saved for tax payers. all all, by the way, opposed by the party opposite. what is the honourable gentleman's plan? ah, yes, there we have it. a cosy deal with the eu which would see the uk accept 100,000 illegal migrants . s. he 100,000 illegal migrants. s. he doesn't want to stop the boats . doesn't want to stop the boats. he wants to welcome more of them i >> -- >> mr speaker, it's very straightforward. he promised . he straightforward. he promised. he promised that he would stop the boats this year. this year. today. boats this year. this year. today . is the 15th of november. today. is the 15th of november. he's wasted all of his time on a gimmick, and now he's absolutely nowhere will he level with the british public and finally admit he's failed to deliver on his

promise . yes, minister. promise. yes, minister. >> mr speaker , this government >> mr speaker, this government has done more to tackle illegal migration than any in the past. and again, let's just review mr feka. he's been on the wrong side of this issue for his entire career. this is a man who described all immigration law as racist. he said it was a mistake to control immigration and he has never once in this place voted for stricter asylum rules. it's clear, mr speaker, while he might want to listen to the open border activists, i'm siding with the british people . with the british people. starbuck billion pounds. i would have thought if his confident about his promise, he would have given an answer saying he stands by it and will deliver by the end of the year. >> the absence of that >> but the absence of that answer is absolutely amazing in the circumstances , as he's had the circumstances, as he's had three reshuffles, he's a forgotten conference speech, an empty king speech. he even found time to fanboy elon musk. but

not one of them has made the slightest difference to the lives of working people . if we lives of working people. if we had a pound for every time we had a pound for every time we had to reset, the cost of living crisis would be over long ago. now likes to think of himself now he likes to think of himself as the man from silicon valley. the savvy californian, the the tech savvy californian, the country's . first iipm, and yet country's. first iipm, and yet his big idea is to keep turning his big idea is to keep turning his government on and off and hope that the wall and hope that we'll see signs of life . is he we'll see signs of life. is he is . is he we'll see signs of life. is he is. is he starting to feel that, as somebody once said, he was the future once mr i think . the future once mr i think. i thought i, i slightly missed the end of that. >> but i've got to say, i was i was glad i was glad to hear finally. i was glad to hear finally. i was glad to hear finally the honourable gentleman did bring up the cost of living because that he is right.

because on that he is right. thatis because on that he is right. that is the number one challenge facing and down the facing countries up and down the family. today , again, family. and today, again, he mentioned what he failed mentioned it. but what he failed to and he talked about to recognise and he talked about delivering on promises. today was that we delivered on was the day that we delivered on the important pledge. the most important pledge. i make to halve inflation. mr speaken make to halve inflation. mr speaker, delivering on a commitment, easing the burden for families up and down the country. what we would see from the party opposite is everything would progress would jeopardise that progress borrowing £28 billion a year, undermining our energy security, giving in to inflation busting pay giving in to inflation busting pay rises to his union backers. that's not a sensible plan. mr speaker . it that's not a sensible plan. mr speaker. it would push up mortgage rates , push up mortgage rates, push up inflation, harm working families. all the while , we're families. all the while, we're going to continue delivering for the country. republican and now for something completely different. >> question for will prime minister >> mr >> mr speaker >> mr speaker , >> mr speaker , i'm >> mr speaker , i'm sure >> mr speaker , i'm sure my >> mr speaker , i'm sure my hon. >> mr speaker, i'm sure my hon. friend will be delighted that the west midlands now tops regional rankings for foreign direct investors . but the direct investors. but the government is also significantly investing in the region,

including hundreds of millions of pounds for levelling fund of pounds for levelling up fund and fund investments and and towns, fund investments and introducing a new pilot scheme to help businesses in the region become more energy efficient. >> sir michael well, can i thank my right honourable friend for that? >> encouraging answer? and on behalf of my constituents in litchfield , may i thank him for litchfield, may i thank him for having the guts to actually stop hsz ? having the guts to actually stop hs2 ? but can i ask that the area hs2? but can i ask that the area within my constituency in the north where construction is still going on, that this happens swiftly and that those areas which are not going to have hs2 compensate nation is also made swiftly to those people who are expecting it. >> well can i thank my honourable friend for his question, but also for his consistent campaigning on this issue. and i recall his last question at prime minister's questions on this very topic. i'd like to reassure him that we are committed to treatment are committed to fair treatment for by the for people affected by the changes , whilst also protecting changes, whilst also protecting tax appropriate wherever

tax payers appropriate wherever property been acquired for property has been acquired for hsz, property has been acquired for hs2, property owners have been fully compensated and any outside landing cases will be settled. we are developing a programme to sell the surplus land on hs2, phase two and ensure that it delivers value for money, does not disrupt local property markets and will ensure rail minister ensure that the rail minister talks and meets with him swiftly on behalf of his constituents. simply order. >> stephen flynn mr speaker, in 2010, the then prime minister and now foreign secretary david cameron said that people in gaza are living under constant attacks and pressure in an open air prison. does the current prime minister not agree that if there is not an immediate ceasefire, then all of us in this chamber will be watching on? >> is that opening of prison is turned into a graveyard and the prime minister mr speaker, no one can deny the suffering that the people in gaza are undergoing at the moment. >> i spoke about this on monday and i spoke about it

consistently with mahmoud abbas, the president of the palestinian authority, which is why we're doing everything we can to get aid into the region. and we have repeatedly and consistently called for humanitarian pauses to get aid in and to get hostages and those that need to get out foreign nationals as quickly as possible and will continue as the foreign secretary will do to make sure that happens. that that happens. >> flint speaker, >> stephen flint mr speaker, how much worse does it need to get for thousand 609 children who are already dead in gaza? >> babies in the neonatal intensive care unit are dying because they do not have access to oxygen for members across the house. this is a question of values and it is a question of conscience. so does the prime minister not agree that should there be a vote on an immediate ceasefire, that members across the house should be afforded a free vote? yes prime minister. >> well, mr speaker , our >> well, mr speaker, our position as a government is clear on this. it's right that

israel is able to defend itself and that principle is one which we support. it has suffered an appalled terrorist attack. hamas is a terrorist organisation . and is a terrorist organisation. and it is not just israel's right but duty to protect its citizens . at the same time, we have consistently at the united nafions consistently at the united nations and bilaterally with all our partners called for humanitarian pauses to ensure that more aid can get in hostages and nationals can get out. that's the right thing to do. we will continue to do everything we can to alleviate the suffering that the palestinian people are undergoing. confident undergoing. and i'm confident that efforts already that our efforts are already making difference on the ground. >> hawksworth thank you, mr speaken >> kirklees council have closed dewsbury sports centre delivered just 14% of educational health care plans within a 20 week target are unable to deliver a five year land supply , just five year land supply, just three of its many failings. and now they want to introduce extortionate car parking charges, punishing hard working families and destroying the high street in our towns and villages . would my right honourable

friend agree with me that labour run kirklees council is no longer fit purpose ? yes. longer fit for purpose? yes. yeah. yeah. yeah. prime minister >> mr speaker, i share my honourable friends disappoint with labour run council in with the labour run council in kirklees this week we saw i kirklees just this week we saw i believe a labour councillor suspended for anti—semitism, as he said . they've closed the he said. they've also closed the dewsbury sports are dewsbury sports centre and are proposing to increase car parking punish local parking charges, punish local businesses and shoppers in the run up to christmas. the council is clearly no longer fit for purpose and local residents deserve better . are you purpose and local residents deserve better. are you happy to? >> mr speaker, last week, members from across the house heard testimony from a young israeli man who lost both of his peace camp training parents in the october seventh attacks. >> this morning, we heard from palestine orphans who have lost generations of families in the south of gaza because of the military attacks there. this is a question of humanity and morality. hear, hear. the prime minister has an opportunity to

lead the calls for peace or endorse force, death, violence and destruction. which will he choose , my dear? here mr choose, my dear? here mr speaken choose, my dear? here mr speaker, i think that's an extremely naive and simplistic way to look at the whole what he what he failed to mention in his question was the fact that a proscribed terrorist organisation perpetrate an awful, awful attack on over a thousand individuals and israel has every right to defend itself in those circumstances. >> and people their country would expect nothing less for them to provide security for their citizens . now, of course, their citizens. now, of course, alongside that, it is they must abide by international law and we do everything we can. as we will do everything we can. as ihave we will do everything we can. as i have said, to make sure that aid flows in provides aid flows in and provides alleviation to suffering alleviation to the suffering that people in gaza are seeing. >> kevin foster, thank you , mr speaken >> proposals for a new rail station at edginswell have been looked a decade, looked forward to for a decade, but final funding gap exists. but a final funding gap exists. will some of the funds released

by the decision to scrap further phases of hs2 be used to resolve this prime minister? >> i can assure my honourable friend that our decision on hs2 means region of the means every region of the country now receive more country will now receive more transport investment than it would have done before, including the south west. i'm pleased that funding is happening to protect vital happening to protect the vital rail link between exeter and plymouth. there a £28 plymouth. there will be a £28 billion resurfacing fund billion road resurfacing fund and his constituents in the south—west will continue to benefit from the £2 bus fare until the end of next year. i know that we have previously provided almost £8 million to progress the station that he mentions and i'll reassure him that the rail minister will have heard represents options and heard his represents options and continue him on the continue to update him on the progress that they're making . progress that they're making. >> nick there . >> nick smith there. >> nick smith there. >> thank you, mr speaker. david cameron was the well paid public face of lex greensill . face of lex greensill. greensill's companies are facing criminal investigations in switzerland, germany and here in the uk . david cameron messaged

the uk. david cameron messaged ministers and officials. 62 times, times over greensill's covid loan guarantees . the covid loan guarantees. the treasury select committee called this a significant lack of judgement . what is his judgement. what is his appointment say about the prime minister's own judgement? prime minister >> mr mr speaker, as the honourable gentleman knows, the government commission , nigel government commission, nigel boardman, to review all those issues and strengthen the system following those recommendations. but i'm very confident, mr speaker , that this nation will speaker, that this nation will be well represented by the former prime minister abroad . he former prime minister abroad. he is a prime minister with unrivalled experience of foreign affairs, will help britain navigate an uncertain world in challenging times. and in contrast , the party opposite contrast, the party opposite would offer to the country a shadow foreign secretary who backed his predecessor to be leader was paid to appear on russian television and even voted against trident. does that sound like a man who should

represent britain ? represent britain? >> exmouth thank you, mr speaken >> the inflation numbers this morning were very welcome. but the tax burden on continues to bite and so will the prime minister agree in principle with me that the concept of higher rate tax was never meant to drag in police sergeants, band aid nurses , teachers with additional nurses, teachers with additional responsible parties and others , responsible parties and others, and that a priority for his treasury ministers should to be return fairness to the tax thresholds . thresholds. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> why, minister? >> why, minister? >> well, mr mr speaker, i agree with the honourable gentleman and i'm pleased that the vast majority of people will continue not to pay the higher rate. i share his ambition to cut taxes for working people right now. inflation is falling and we're sticking to our plan , which is sticking to our plan, which is delivering a halving of it. this year because that is the most effective tax cut that we could have delivered for the british people this year rather than

making it worse as the party opposite borrowing opposite would borrowing money and be and the way it would be irresponsible drive up irresponsible and just drive up inflation interest rates. inflation and interest rates. but to reassure him that but i want to reassure him that i absolutely share ambition i absolutely share his ambition to for working people. i absolutely share his ambition to as for working people. i absolutely share his ambition to as we for working people. i absolutely share his ambition to as we stabilise> well, mr speaker, i'm pleased i'm pleased that in the last figures that we saw, we had actually a record number of first time buyers. mr speaker, and we're delivering a million homes over this parliament as we

said, whilst the party opposite blocked our plans to unlock 100,000 homes at the same time. and when it comes to southampton, i'm also pleased that we're on, i think, almost a 7 or 8 game unbeaten run . 7 or 8 game unbeaten run. >> sir desmond swayne if a two state solution is to have a chance, hamas must be defeated. >> but also so there will have to first be a more enlightened policy of administrator action in the occupied west bank. mustn't there . mustn't there. >> oh, mr speaker, i thank my honourable friend for his question. the uk's long standing position on the middle east peace process is very clear. we support a negotiated settlement leading to a safe and secure israel alongside a viable and sovereign palestinian state in gaza and the west bank. i spoke about this on monday. both israelis and palestinians have a right to live in peace and security . the longer term security. the longer term governance of gaza and security needs to be looked at in the

round. it's something that i've discussed repeatedly with president abbas. we agree with the united states that gaza should ultimately the should ultimately be under the control palestinian control of the palestinian authority, and we will continue to support president abbas and his people to get to that outcome. >> mr speaker, a new generation of drugs or can be symkevi and kaftrio is absolutely transforming in the lives of patients with cystic fibrosis . patients with cystic fibrosis. ms so people who would have been waiting for double lung transplants now live in happy, healthy lives, but nice is now saying we can't afford them . so saying we can't afford them. so will prime minister and his will the prime minister and his new health secretary get round the table nice and with the the table with nice and with the drugs company sure that drugs company to make sure that children born with cystic children being born with cystic fibrosis get life fibrosis today get those life saving same way saving drugs in the same way that currently living that children currently living with cf again, yeah . with cf again, yeah. >> prime minister, i thank the honourable an honourable lady for raising an important issue. >> i'll of course ask the health secretary to look into it. i shall understand that nice operates independent from government, but if there's a conversation that can be had, i'll ensure that it takes place. >> davis you view the

>> david davis you view the events of the last six weeks. >> can the prime minister tell the why government has the house why the government has not islamic not proscribe the islamic revolutionary guard corps? >> , minister. >> why, minister. >> why, minister. >> mr speaker , this government >> mr speaker, this government continues to take strong action against iran whilst people in the uk and around the world are under threat from the regime. we've sanctioned more than 350 iranian individuals and entities, including the irgc, in its entirety . the national its entirety. the national security act of this year implements new measures to protect the british public, including new offences for espionage and foreign interference. and while the government keeps the list of proscribed organisations under review, as members will be aware, it is a long standing convention that we don't comment on whether a specific organisation is being considered for proscription . ian, you just for proscription. ian, you just said he had unprecedented experience. >> what would he say was david cameron's finest foreign policy achievement ? achievement? >> that's . mr speaker. >> that's. mr speaker. >> that's. mr speaker. >> mr speaker , i think there's

>> mr speaker, i think there's mr speaker. in fact, the many, many to pick from . many to pick from. >> but what i would say, what i would say is under his leadership, this country, this country hosted what was widely considered to be one of the most successful g8 summits of recent times . times. >> big ford . it was great to >> big ford. it was great to welcome the prime minister to chancellor to earlier this year, where he launched his antisocial behaviour strategy , and he will behaviour strategy, and he will behaviour strategy, and he will be pleased to know that the local police have consistently been stepping up their activities. >> last week they arrested 24 people for many crimes and last night they took out a major significant county lines gang . significant county lines gang. so please, will he join me in congratulating all those in our local police ? and would he like local police? and would he like to come back to chelmsford and come out and patrol his minister? >> well , it minister? >> well, it was great to visit my honourable friend and launch the government's antisocial behaviour plan. can i thank her for raising awareness about the

important work that her local policing team is doing? and i'm pleased that they've been empowered by our strategy. anti—social does make anti—social behaviour does make life miserable for many. that's why plan being delivered is why our plan being delivered is so important. it's having a difference across the country, including her part of the including in her part of the world, and i'm pleased to see that crime under this government in the year that we most recently for has recently have data for has decreased by 56% since 2010. >> it's all. >> it's all. >> thank you, mr speaker. mr speaken >> thank you, mr speaker. mr speaker, it's insulting . speaker, it's insulting. >> in the week that marks 20 years since the abolition of section 28, the prime minister has appointed a minister without portfolio who frequently attacks the lgbtq+ community with their so—called war on woke, seeks a return to those awful days denying our human rights and attacking our very existence . attacking our very existence. >> does the prime minister agree that he is manifestly and repeatedly failed? it's time for him to resign and to call a general election . prime minister

mr >> mr speaker, actually , this >> mr speaker, actually, this government and previous have a proud record in champion for lgbt rights. it was this government that introduced same sex marriage , mr speaker, and we sex marriage, mr speaker, and we will continue to ensure that everyone in our society can live with tolerance and compassion and have every opportunity available for them. that's what we have delivered and that's what we'll continue delivering . what we'll continue delivering. >> o'brien . >> neil o'brien. >> neil o'brien. >> mr speaker, last year, through the homes for ukraine scheme, my family and i welcomed a refugee family to our home, and i'm proud that this country a refugee family to our home, and alwaysyud that this country a refugee family to our home, and always offered this country a refugee family to our home, and always offered refuge untry a refugee family to our home, and always offered refuge to try has always offered refuge to those but it's those who need it. but it's essential that we in this country decide to this country decide who comes to this country. prime minister has country. the prime minister has rightly said he do rightly said that he will do whatever it to stop the whatever it takes to stop the small boats and the evil trade around but isn't it around them. but isn't it apparent after this apparent that after this morning's ruling, what will apparent that after this morrisg's ruling, what will apparent that after this morris as ruling, what will apparent that after this morris a new ng, what will apparent that after this morris a new lawnhat will apparent that after this morris a new law to at will apparent that after this morris a new law to override take is a new law to override the rights act and to cut the human rights act and to cut through the thicket of case law built up by judicial activism. so that can bring back so that we can bring back control our borders and stop control of our borders and stop the small boats . the small boats. >> prime minister. mr speaker,

it's right that we go through the judgement carefully and properly . and as i said, the properly. and as i said, the government already been government has already been working on new working in advance on a new treaty rwanda address treaty with rwanda to address the concerns that have been raised , that were raised raised, that were raised previously and that were raised by the supreme court, who also acknowledge can be acknowledge that changes can be delivered those delivered to address those issues. as i said and i'll issues. but as i said and i'll repeat, if becomes clear that repeat, if it becomes clear that our legal frameworks our domestic legal frameworks or indeed international conventions are still frustrate plans, after that point, i am prepared to change our laws and revisit those international relationships because we are absolutely committed to stopping the boats. >> dawn butler . >> dawn butler. >> dawn butler. >> thank you, mr speaker. prime minister thank you meeting minister thank you for meeting with my constituent. no, it has been 40 days since gnome's mum, ayda sagi was kidnapped by hamas on october the seventh. we all condemn hamas actions and fight for the return of all hostages. naomi wants the language of love to be louder than the language of hate . and 11,000 palestinians

of hate. and 11,000 palestinians have been killed , over 4000 of have been killed, over 4000 of them children . an international them children. an international law is imposed , isn't. does the law is imposed, isn't. does the prime minister agree that you can support israel but also call out breaches of international law? >> mr speaker, i've been consistent from the start that whilst israel has a right to defend itself , it is whilst israel has a right to defend itself, it is important that it complies with international law. >> it's a point i have made on every meeting or phone conversation that i've had with prime minister netanyahu . and i prime minister netanyahu. and i also it was a privilege to meet her constituents and to hear the pain that they are going through, which i have enormous sympathy for, which is why we are doing absolutely everything we to bring hostages home. we can to bring hostages home. we are engaged intensively in diplomatic activity in the region and working to get also foreign nationals and british nationals. i'm pleased to say well 200 have now left gaza well over 200 have now left gaza and we will continue to do everything ensure that everything we to can ensure that everyone safely leave who everyone can safely leave who

needs holubovych beecroft needs to holubovych beecroft thank you, mr speaker. >> the prime minister knows i stand unapologetically with my steelmakers scunthorpe. steelmakers in scunthorpe. >> he knows the, i believe as many across this house do, that the uk must retain a virgin steelmaking capability for strategic reasons , if nothing strategic reasons, if nothing else will he reassure the house that he is personally following developments at british steel and doing all he can to retain what is a vital stop sovereign capability? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> well, can i thank honourable friend for the question? i know she is a fantastic champion for her local steel working community and i hope she is reassured by the action that this government has already taken to support steelmaking in our country, reaching a landmark agreement with tata steel to safeguard thousands of jobs there and previously early in there and previously early in the pandemic as well. because i agree with her, it is important to our industrial base and will continue to have constructive conversations with all those companies that we can companies to ensure that we can support in their transition support them in their transition to a cleaner, greener

steelmaking future. >> paisley . thank you, mr speaken >> according to the independent, the british and dependent retail association on a matter that affects every constituency across this kingdom, 82% of retailers don't even bother reporting physical attacks on their staff when they're attacked . attacked. >> it takes shopkeepers to sell an additional 12 items to make up for an item that has been stolen. well, the prime minister support efforts that are being made by that association and many others across this house to ensure that retailers are protected , that theft against protected, that theft against them is called out and that they are supported in every way possible. and today, at a meeting in dining room c, will he encourage those members from those shops in their efforts ? those shops in their efforts? >> can i firstly pay tribute to the work that my honourable friend does on this issue? as the vice chair of the all party group on retail crime , he's group on retail crime, he's absolutely right about the importance of this issue.

working in my mum's shop and her pharmacy growing up, i understand exactly he's understand exactly what he's talking small talking about when small businesses victims of businesses are the victims of crime, tell him is crime, what i can tell him is that our expectation and our agreement with police forces is that shoplifting should that all shoplifting should be followed there is followed up where there is evidence, cctv footage, evidence, such as cctv footage, which something that we which is something that we did earlier year, also that earlier this year, and also that any or abusive behaviour any violent or abusive behaviour towards shop workers, particularly those who provide a valuable service to the public, is never acceptable. and is is never acceptable. and that is why we introduced a statutory aggravating factor for assaults on workers that provide a service to the public and i commend him on everything he's doing this issue. doing on this issue. >> sir william cash . thank you, will. >> my right honourable friend give the house an assurance that he has made clear to the new foreign secretary, who of course, we wish well that and. >> and that he has agreed that his policy and conduct of eu related affairs will be consistent with the government's

2019 election manifesto and the referendum and is now fully committed to uk parliamentary sovereignty, self—governance and democracy, and in accordance with the government's subsequent legislation . legislation. >> yes, prime minister >> yes, prime minister >> well, i can. i'm delighted to give my honourable friend that assurance because this is a government that is seizing the opportunities of brexit, aided by his advice and support passing the rule bill, ensuring that we can regulate our growth industries in a more competitive way and sign trade deals with the fastest growing regions across the world, including most recently , the cptpp. this recently, the cptpp. it's this government that's delivering the benefits of brexit to every part of country and long may that of our country and long may that continue complete prime minister's questions . minister's questions. >> well, there we have it. the prime minister concluding prime minister's questions there on a dramatic day. lots of barbs from the leader of the opposition , the leader of the opposition, not least, of course, on the a&e

ruling, but also on the appointment of david cameron as foreign secretary for his part, the prime minister opened this session of prime minister's questions as saying that he is working to finalise a new treaty with rwanda, saying if necessary , he is also prepared to revisit domestic legal frameworks to make rwanda work. >> sir keir starmer the labour leader, was very damning about the now failed rwanda plan . the now failed rwanda plan. let's head back to hear from the foreign the home secretary. apologies james cleverly. >> mr speaker , i thank you and >> mr speaker, i thank you and move permission. i would like to make a statement about the government's plan for ending illegal migration in the supreme court has today upheld the judgement of the court of appeal judgement of the court of appeal, meaning that we cannot yet lawfully remove people to rwanda . rwanda. >> but the important thing to note that is that the judgement of the court today was made on the basis of facts from 15

months ago . months ago. >> the government of course, fully respects the supreme court, but but its judgement does not weaken our resolve to deter people from making these illegal, dangerous and unnecessary journeys. this is a lengthy judgement which we now need to digest and reflect upon. we take our obligation to the courts very seriously, which is why we have already taken an action to address a number of the points raised by the lower courts. it is only through breaking the business model of illegal people traffickers that we can fully take control of our borders and save lives at sea. this is why the pm backed our deal with rwanda past legislation to deliver it and said last december that other countries would follow our lead. and what we have now seen is

other countries are indeed now also exploring third country models for illegal migration, including austria , germany, including austria, germany, denmark and italy in their deal with albania, a new and innovative model for process arsing asylum claims nothing in the supreme court judgement today did is our commitment. the supreme court has said that there are issues with rwanda s asylum system, which could create the possibility of someone being returned to a country where they could face persecution . charleton. i am persecution. charleton. i am struck by the court's remarks about the risk of refoulement , about the risk of refoulement, the structural and i quote, the structural changes and capacity building needed to eliminate that risk may be delivered in the future, but they were not shown to be in place at the time when the lawfulness of this policy had been considered in

these proceedings , making these proceedings, making reference to the earlier proceedings as we have a plan on to provide exactly that certainty, we anticipate date that this as a possible we anticipated this judgement as a possible result . and for the possible result. and for the last few months have been working on a plan to provide the certainty that the court demand . certainty that the court demand. as we have been working with rwanda, to build capacity and amend agreements with rwanda to make clear that those sent there cannot be sent to another country free than the uk . our country free than the uk. our intention is to uphold our agreement , to upgrade our agreement, to upgrade our agreement, to upgrade our agreement to a treaty as soon as possible . that will make it possible. that will make it absolutely clear to our courts and to strasbourg that the risks laid out by the court today have been responded to, will be

consistent with international law and ensure that parliament is able to scrutinise it. the prime minister has said that if our domestic legal framework frustrates our plans , he is frustrates our plans, he is prepared to change our laws. but but i will inform the house we are not going to put forward proposals simply to manufacture and an unnecessary row for political gains. and an unnecessary row for political gains . we have a plan political gains. we have a plan to deliver the rwanda deal . to deliver the rwanda deal. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not. they're not listening. mr speaken they're not listening. mr speaker. so they might want to listen to this . we have a plan listen to this. we have a plan to deliver the rwanda deal, and we will do whatever it takes to stop the boats . yes, mr speaker, stop the boats. yes, mr speaker, a legal immigration is a huge global challenge and that challenge is growing . it was challenge is growing. it was a topic that i regularly raised

with countries across europe and around the wider world. in my former role as a foreign secretary. but mr speaker , secretary. but mr speaker, monthly illegal migrant numbers are trending upwards right across europe with an exception our our numbers are falling . our our numbers are falling. illegal migration is dangerous. it undermines the laws of our country . it is unfair on those country. it is unfair on those who come here legally and on the british people who play by the rules. it must and it will stop . rules. it must and it will stop. this is a wonderful country and i recognise that because i have had a chance to see it as others see it from overseas and inevitably people aspire to come here. but but more people coming here. but but more people coming here illegally is not fair for those struggling to get gp appointments. those trying to get housing or access to schools or those people who are living near asylum hotels. the impact

are felt on some of the poorest in our society and we have a duty to address their concerns. while the conservative government has taken action on to protect our country , the to protect our country, the labour party has voted time and time again not to protect our borders. over 80 times rwanda is ready and willing to help the unhcr operates its own refugee scheme in rwanda and rwanda is ready to receive thousands of people, process their claims and give them excellent care and then support them to integrate into rwanda. this is an african country full of potential and promise . we have a future promise. we have a future focussed and mutually beneficial partnership with them and we plan to deliver the rwanda plan has only ever been one tool in our toolbox . yes, we have a plan our toolbox. yes, we have a plan to drive down numbers and our

plan is working before the prime minister launched the ten point plan in december, the number of people entering the uk illegally in small had more than in small boats had more than quadrupled while illegal migration in the rest of europe continues to rise, crossings to the uk are now down by a third. mr speaker , we are tackling mr speaker, we are tackling illegal migration at every stage in the journey of a would be illegal migrant. our plan is working . last year the prime working. last year the prime minister agreed the largest ever small boats deal with france. we have expanded our joint intelligence cell to deepen intelligence cell to deepen intelligence sharing and dismantle the criminal gangs, cutting edge surveillance techniques, technology is in play techniques, technology is in play and we have beefed up security infrastructure such as cctv at key border crossings across the channel. we have ensured that more french officials and officers patrol french beaches and they are working closely with uk staff. and so far in 2023, nearly

22,000 crossing attempts have been prevented because of the close coordination between british and french officials . british and french officials. that means less money that the british taxpayers have to spend on hotels, less profits for the criminal gangs and fewer people to process . it sends a clear to process. it sends a clear message to the gangs and those who want to cross that we will stop them . as foreign secretary stop them. as foreign secretary i work closely with my right honourable friend. the immigration minister, to agree a new deal with albania , with new deal with albania, with better data sharing, closer operational working and financial support , and in financial support, and in response to the work that he and i did, the number of albanian small boat arrived has fallen by 90% or nine 0% so far during 2023, and we have returned . over

2023, and we have returned. over 4600 people in just ten months. we also want to make sure it's harder to get into one of those boats in the first place, including reducing the supply of boats. we are targeting the movement of these goods , such as movement of these goods, such as dinghies, such as engines that are used to facilitate the crossing in order to undermine a key component of the smugglers business model and those who do make it through will not be able to stay . we have expediated to stay. we have expediated returns agreements with countries including france, albania , turkey and italy. we albania, turkey and italy. we have increased the number of illegal working raids by almost 70. we have cut the asylum legacy backlog . by over 59,000 legacy backlog. by over 59,000 cases. we have freed up hundreds of hotel beds with the use of alternative sites. we have announced the closure . author of announced the closure. author of the first 50 asylum hotels , and the first 50 asylum hotels, and we have passed the illegal migration act, the most ambitious immigration

legislation in decades, which makes clear that the only route to asylum in the uk is via one of the safe and legal routes we have put in place . anyone who have put in place. anyone who comes to the uk illegally will not be able to stay. they will be removed either to their home country if it is safe or to a third country. if it is not. mr speaker , i can assure you that speaker, i can assure you that our commitment to ending illegal migration is unwavering. we are a positive , active outlier in a positive, active outlier in europe . our efforts are working europe. our efforts are working small boat crossings are down. our decision making is faster. we are removing those with no right to be here and taking action against those who are working illegally. we have done deals with multiple countries and we will continue to do so. so mr speaker, in conclusion, arrivals down decisions faster , arrivals down decisions faster, returns up. we are getting on with the job and we will do

whatever it takes to deliver on our commitment to stop the boats . and i commend this statement to the house. >> shadow secretary yvette cooper yeah, thank you, mr speaken >>i speaken >> i welcome the new home secretary to his post. >> he is the eighth conservative home secretary in eight years and what a mess he has inherited. >> the court conclusions today are damning. it exposes the complete failure of the prime minister's flagship rwanda policy , exposes a complete policy, exposes a complete failure of the prime minister's judgement in making it the central part of his policy and the complete failure of conservatives to get the most bafic conservatives to get the most basic grip of their boats and asylum chaos . no basic grip of their boats and asylum chaos. no serious plan on the dangerous boat crossings that are undermining our border security and putting lives at risk that all of us want to see end.no risk that all of us want to see end. no serious plan to sort out the chaos in the asylum system. people in costly asylum hotels because of the soaring backlog

that should be ended and the readiness to spend over £140 million of taxpayers money on this plan, money we cannot get back. now, now that this policy has totally failed and it adds to the disaster judgement of the prime minister, not just appointing and backing the previous home secretary who was unfit for the job. now, i do not agree with pretty much anything. his predecessor as home secretary ever said, but she was right on this message to the prime minister. she said , if we prime minister. she said, if we lose in the supreme court, you will have wasted a year and an act of parliament only to arrive back at square one. your magical thinking has meant you have failed to prepare any sort of credible plan b, wasting time wasting money and letting the country down. that is the conservative record. now the court outlines the catalogue of problems with the policy, but ministers knew all about them when it was first announced. 18

months ago. i raised in this house the problems with the israel rwanda deal. they were warned many times about failures and weaknesses in the rwanda asylum system, but they just pressed on and even if it had been found lawful today, they've admitted it would only have covered a hundred people covered a few hundred people anyway , at a time when 100,000 anyway, at a time when 100,000 people applied for asylum in the uk last year on the conservatives watch. and that would have also cost around twice as much per person as decide cases in the uk . the decide cases in the uk. the truth is the government has wasted not just one but five years of failing to deal with this. five years ago there were just a few hundred people crossing in boats, but they let criminal gangs take hold along the channel. they let asylum decisions collapse. so the backlog soared and there are now 20% more people in asylum hotels than there were when the prime minister promised to end them . minister promised to end them. so will he now tell us how much in total has the government spent on this failed rwanda

plan? so far, the house has a right to know. yes he says he wants a new treaty. how much more will that cost? and the court judgement says despite his optimism , he says, it says of optimism, he says, it says of the changes that are needed by the changes that are needed by the rwandan government indicated that the contemplated arrangements might not be straightforward to implement in practice . and the court says the practice. and the court says the provision of resources does not mean that the problems we have described can be resolved in the short term . so again, more of short term. so again, more of the magical thinking and what does this mean for the prime minister's flagship legislation ? minister's flagship legislation? because he boasted about passing it only yesterday. but the government hasn't actually commenced the central clauses of the law because without rwanda and frankly, even with rwanda, the policy does not work and will just lead to an endless ever increasing permanent backlog. so can he confirm now he won't. in fact be implementing the central tenets of that law this year ? and can

of that law this year? and can he confirm that this means the prime minister's pledges to introduce the new law to stop the boats to and also to end hotel use will all be broken? this year? and why will he not put that money into a proper plan to tackle the boats? i do not believe the new home secretary ever believed in the rwanda plan. he distanced himself from it and his predecessor's language on it. he may even on occasion have privately called it batshit , but privately called it batshit, but he and i agree we need action to stop boat crossings that are undermining border security and putting lives at risk. we need a properly controlled and managed system for asylum and refugees. so let us concentrate on the things that can work. we support the with france along the the work with france along the northern coast. we want it to go further. we support the work with albania, with other countries europe to countries across europe to tackle but it is tackle the gangs. but it is frankly far too weak. we frankly far, far too weak. we need a proper, comprehensive, massively scaled up plan go massively scaled up plan to go after criminal gangs and

after the criminal gangs and a proper system to clear the backlog, to have a proper return unit in place so we can end hotel use. and instead of that cost going up from 6 million to £8 million a day on his watch, let us end hotel use and save the taxpayer £2 billion. that should be common ground. so i could suggest to him that he stops wasting taxpayers money on more failing schemes that he ditches the magical thinking and the culture wars of his predecessors, and that he ditches the gimmicks. and finally gets a grip. yes home secretary . secretary. >> mr speaker, i think one of the dangers of writing a critique of government policy before you've read the facts laid out in a statement is the statement makes the critique obsolete . she talks about she obsolete. she talks about she talks about about hotel. she talks about about hotel. she talks about about hotel. she talks about hotel usage, which i might remind the house is coming down and she talks about small boat arrivals in the uk , which i

boat arrivals in the uk, which i will remind the house are coming down. she talks about close working relationships with our european partners, which i will remind the house we are already doing. i've written here in response to the various questions does she have a plan? does labour have a plan? and no and no . and no. >> and mr speaker, if the benches opposite, if the benches opposite could kerb their enthusiasm and listen to what i was about to say next, i was going to concede that it's clear they do have a plan and their plan, their great idea is to do what the government is already doing , mr what the government is already doing, mr speaker, which is why , doing, mr speaker, which is why, which is why we are bucking the european trend when other countries are seeing 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 100% increases in their legal arrivals. >> we are seeing a third reduction in hours. bucking >> we are seeing a third reduction in hours . bucking the reduction in hours. bucking the trend , we have always said , we

trend, we have always said, we have always said rwanda and the deterrent effect of the rwanda plan is an important tool in our toolbox. we have never claimed it was the only tool in our toolbox. we have pursued. we have pursued it. and when i say we, i, of course mean my right hon. friend the immigration minister with me watching him from king charles street. but the collective appropriate the collective we is appropriate here. we have always pursued a range of options and as i set out in my statement, those those activities are having an effect. and mr speaker, my final point. the mask has slipped. the mask has slipped because the glee that i detect on the other benches for this temporary this temporary setback on the delivery of this plan, does plays what we on our side of the house know to be true. they don't want migration control to work. they don't want to take

control of their own borders. they would rather delegate it to any body else. mr speaker , not any body else. mr speaker, not not just sorry , i want to hear not just sorry, i want to hear the home secretary >> i don't need the front bench. you may pull your face. the bottom line is i want to hear it quietly because our people also at home, our constituents wants to hear it. when your children ring so loud, they cannot . home ring so loud, they cannot. home secretary , thank you so much . secretary, thank you so much. >> indeed . >> indeed. >> indeed. >> indeed. >> in which case, theresa may, thank you . thank you. >> thank you, mr speaker, can i first of all, welcome . first of all, welcome. >> well, i think one of the main takeaways from that statement from the home secretary, the new home secretary james cleverly, is that the government has not given up on the rwanda plan. let's hear from former prime minister theresa may, the judgement that the supreme court made today was not contingent on the echr indeed, the fundamental judgement was made regardless of the echr%

>> mr speaker, i pay tribute to my right honourable friend and predecessor. she was a fantastic and long served home secretary. i intend to try and compete with her on both of those metrics , her on both of those metrics, but she makes an incredibly important point. we look very closely at the judgement . the closely at the judgement. the judgement draws our attention to two to work that we can do working with our partners in rwanda to address the court's concerns about people being returned to unsafe countries . returned to unsafe countries. thatis returned to unsafe countries. that is where we will address our focus because that will be the pathway to ensuring that rwanda stays a key element of our basket of responses to illegal migration. she is right. no >> well, as the home secretary was saying, there , emphasising was saying, there, emphasising that point that he believes the rwanda scheme can be delivered

without withdrawing from the echr . let's go over some of the echr. let's go over some of the key points that james cleverly was setting out there, not least that the united kingdom appears to be bucking the trend when it comes to illegal migration. 33% down in the uk when other european countries are seeing between a third and 100% right rises this year in illegal migration. but crucially crucially, the home secretary says that the supreme court judgement was made on the basis of fact from 15 months ago . so of fact from 15 months ago. so he believes that a new treaty with rwanda could undo that decision, could work to address the concerns of what he described was a temporary setback . setback. >> let's speak to gb news homeland security editor mark white. mark, good afternoon . the white. mark, good afternoon. the government still wants to push ahead with its rwanda plan. >> then it does . and i think the >> then it does. and i think the upshot of what james cleverly was saying there is that we are

going to still have this issue being litigated in the courts for months to come because although he may well be right, that they have addressed a lot of these problems with rwanda in the months since that original evidence was put before the court system, it's going to have to be fought again. and the government is going to have to prove all over again that actually rwanda is a safe place to send these asylum seekers to. and that's probably going to mean that it will go to the high court, to the court of appeal, and then potentially up to the supreme court. and then potentially up to the supreme court . again, if it has supreme court. again, if it has to go through that whole process. so we may be talking the better part of a year again before this is finally concluded and we're already 19 months on from the point where boris johnson stood up in lydd airport in kent and announced this policy to the world and we have

not had a single plane as yet leave for rwanda . and obviously leave for rwanda. and obviously now we're not going to have a plane leaving for rwanda for many months to come. but as you say , it's right. the government say, it's right. the government seem to be still wedded to the rwanda policy . and the reason rwanda policy. and the reason for that is simple, because they put through the illegal migration bill through parliament and the whole premise of that bill is built on anyone coming into the uk through irregular means, i.e. either coming over in a boat or in the back of a lorry is declared, declared an illegal immigrant. they are therefore they're not given the right to claim asylum. they're either then returned to their own country . if it's safe their own country. if it's safe to do that or if it's not safe to do that or if it's not safe to do that or if it's not safe to do that. you have to return them to a safe third country. that safe third country. at the moment, at least, is rwanda is the only one that they have.

it's the only show in town as far as the government is concerned, seemingly going forward as well. >> it's interesting because the prime minister, when he stood to be conservative party leader over a year ago , said that he'd over a year ago, said that he'd be looking to other countries to sign these deals with. of course, he hasn't been able to find he has been looking, find one if he has been looking, but interesting that the but it is interesting that the home said that he home secretary said that he anticipated this outcome and has been working with rwanda in recent months to upgrade the existing agreements that the united kingdom has with rwanda to one of treaty level stature . to one of treaty level stature. now, what would that actually mean in practice? why does the government want to upgrade this agreement ? agreement? >> well, clearly what the court in coming to its ruling today was concerned about was the potential deal for the processing protocols in rwanda, not to be robust enough in the sense that people could be sent back to their country of origin,

to an unsafe country, potentially . and so they need to potentially. and so they need to get those guarantees . is that get those guarantees. is that going forward , rwanda's going forward, rwanda's processing systems would be up to spec . now, rwanda has said to spec. now, rwanda has said throughout that it is willing to have the uk government, throughout that it is willing to have the uk government , other have the uk government, other third parties present in its country watching and looking over those procedures to ensure that they are being carried out properly. so it may be building on that, that the government wants to achieve in going forward. but in saying that they've been working on this for 15 months, will they supreme court evidence was a lot more recent than 15 months ago. why was that evidence or at least some of that evidence not put to the supreme court at that point ? the supreme court at that point? certainly, dame priti patel speaking today has said that she believes that the government has known for a very long time that actually rwanda's process systems were not robust enough

and should have been taking much more concrete procedures and evidence really to ensure that that could be put before the supreme court to ensure that we don't have today's outcome . i go don't have today's outcome. i go back to my main point, which is that whatever the government's intention in going forward regarding rwanda is concerned, we are not going to get any kind of conclusion now for many, many months to come because it will all have to be relitigated again with those opposed to rwanda setting out their arguments once again. so it's a long way to run. will it come before the next election? probably not at this time last week, mark, we would have been expecting the former home secretary, suella braverman, to be making that statement . statement. >> instead, it was james cleverly who, as yvette cooper, the shadow home secretary said, he is the eighth conservative home secretary in eight years, and she seemed to suggest that he's never believed in the rwanda plan. in fact, he

privately called it , let's say, privately called it, let's say, bat bleep . bat bleep. >> well, yes , she's saying that >> well, yes, she's saying that now. i'm sure if she was still in office, of course , she would in office, of course, she would be defending it along the same lines as the new home secretary is. i mean , he's quick to point is. i mean, he's quick to point out there that it's not all about rwanda , but it's a key about rwanda, but it's a key plank. and in fact, it's the main plank of what the prime minister has put forward in deaung minister has put forward in dealing with the small boats crisis. but he's also saying, you know, deals with albania in terms of returning those who come from albania back to that country speedily. more money to france , better law enforcement france, better law enforcement in terms of cooperation and intelligence with law enforcement agencies on the continent that are all playing their part to reducing the number of people who are coming overin number of people who are coming over in these small boats. i don't think it's as clear cut as that at all. they may be having some effect, but all those that

we speak to very regularly that see that the way in which the sort of the channel operates in terms of weather conditions point to just that that we've had for many, many months now, very unpredictable weather conditions, predominantly in the channel conditions, predominantly in the channel, which has meant that it's really difficult for these boats to push off from the shores of northwestern france in the first place because you've had prevailing winds that have been coming from the north a lot of the time and that makes it very difficult for the people smugglers to push these flimsy boats out into the channel and that when we get good weather, as we did just on sunday, there you see hundreds coming across. 615 people came across just this past sunday, which shows you that they're still there. they're still willing to try whatever the government says about the overall numbers being down 33% compared to this time

last year . last year. >> there was an interesting question as well from former prime minister and former home secretary theresa may challenging james cleverly to admit that leaving the echr would not make the rwanda policy lawful. of course, there's a lot of debate now about whether this is the route that the government might go down. well i think that she has got quite a strong argument there. >> the lords, the law lords as they handed down that judgement in the supreme court, did point out that this was not just the they would see us against the law in terms of what was being planned . and in rwanda with planned. and in rwanda with regard to the echr , but it was regard to the echr, but it was also against the other treaties from the un immigration law and the like. so not just the echr . the like. so not just the echr. so it does to an extent , it take so it does to an extent, it take some of the wind out of the sails of those who say that

we've got to pull out of the echr because as i say in handing down the ruling lord reed, they're making it clear that it wasn't just the echr they were relying on in lore here. >> well, mark white, thank you very much for that detailed analysis of what was quite a sparky exchange in the house of commons. first with prime minister's questions and then with the home secretary's statement . let's digest it all statement. let's digest it all further. delighted to be joined in the studio by political commentator peter and the commentator peter barnes and the former editor of labourlist, peter edwards . and peter, shall peter edwards. and peter, shall we start with you? because the home secretary, one of the things that he said was that labour didn't have a plan when or if they did have a plan. it was basically the same as what is happening now, more cooperation with france and the like. >> yeah, i'm not sure that's fair. i mean, i do have respect for james cleverly. he's a military veteran. he's clearly a serious and he was seen as serious guy and he was seen as not quote unquote, headbanger not quote unquote, a headbanger in as foreign in his time as foreign secretary. labour has a five secretary. but labour has a five point plan. rehash it

point plan. i won't rehash it all but essentially was all now, but essentially it was yvette cancel the yvette cooper to cancel the rwanda scheme and spend the money on having a kind of cross border force. the labour, the labour goal is to, if you like , labour goal is to, if you like, cut off the supply line of people trying to cross the channel. that's their dream. totally different to suella dream, the former home secretary, which was to send them back. and i just want to challenge cleverly and challenge james cleverly and anyone sympathetic briefly, which that this point that which is that this point that james said with james cleverly said with a completely that we completely straight face that we we're not just carrying on with this for political gain, but they've lost they've lost and they've lost they've lost and they've lost they've lost and they've lost again. is it that they've lost again. is it that they the policy is a dead they know the policy is a dead duck and just pursuing duck and they're just pursuing it gain because it for political gain because they it's attractive they feel it's attractive to swing they feel it's attractive to swi is it not the case, though , >> is it not the case, though, that there are some countries james cleverly cited them, austria, italy , austria, germany, italy, denmark, pursuing denmark, that are pursuing similar policies. what the similar policies. and what the supreme court to extent has supreme court to some extent has done is point out what needs done is, is point out what needs to be fixed in order for this to work. i think you're half right in a sense that the supreme court quite technical judgement. >> they didn't say this is

wicked or immoral. it must never happen again. they said the happen again. they said on the facts logistical facts and on the logistical details us, details put before us, including, for example, the training of immigration officials end officials at the receiving end in can't agree to it, in rwanda. we can't agree to it, but perhaps where you're not right is you use the well, right is you use the word well, pursuing other pursuing is fair. other countries looking it. countries are looking at it. i think somewhere buried in the german there might german government, there might be policy which i hope be a policy paper which i hope stays with a pat cullen stuck in someone's drawer. not someone's drawer. they're not policies necessarily being rolled now. we've got to rolled out now. so we've got to be there isn't a great be clear. there isn't a great wave of european states sending an to rwanda and to an immigrant to rwanda and to finnish archbishop justin. the archbishop of canterbury said it does not stand the judgement of god. that's pretty conclusive. >> gosh, peter barnes, this is confusing, yes, to peter's, but what do you think about the fact that over £140 million of taxpayers money has been spent on this rwanda scheme? >> even the dover mp dover has borne the brunt of these boats ? borne the brunt of these boats? natalie elphicke she's just said and move on. yeah yeah, you're

right. >> i think it has been a not necessarily a catastrophic waste of money, but i do agree with suella braverman where she said this has been a waste of time as well. i think that's the big thing for rishi sunak is he is running time before running out of time before the next election. when next general election. and when we at this, the labour we look at this, the labour party be to hit rishi party will be able to hit rishi pretty hard with this 140 million. and i that's million. and i think that's that's point. that's the real sticking point. i to admit, watching the i have to admit, watching the pmqs there, we were kind of promised but it was promised fireworks, but it was somewhat glorified somewhat of a glorified sparkler, i have to admit, if i'm being honest. mean, rishi i'm being honest. i mean, rishi and aren't the best at pmqs and keir aren't the best at pmqs at the best of times. they're and keir aren't the best at pmqs at the dire: of times. they're and keir aren't the best at pmqs at the dire at times. they're and keir aren't the best at pmqs at the dire at theies. they're and keir aren't the best at pmqs at the dire at the despatch'e and keir aren't the best at pmqs at the dire at the despatch box, pretty dire at the despatch box, but it really interesting but i find it really interesting when we look at kind of when we look at the kind of criticism of the rwanda plan was. i to disagree with was. and i have to disagree with peter the far end of the peter at the far end of the table that labour don't have table is that labour don't have a comprehensive plan. what they have out and it's have is a cop out and it's called giving power back to the european that is what european union. and that is what the conservatives will hit labour incredibly the conservatives will hit labour and incrediblyly the conservatives will hit labour and incredibly hard difficult and incredibly hard sorry, they'll sorry, and that's what they'll continue i have to continue to do. and i have to admit that wasn't the most entertaining half an hour of my life watching this. >> throw that back to

>> shall we throw that back to peter on that one. peter oh so briefly on that one. >> thing is, we're still in >> the thing is, we're still in europe. we're not in the european union anymore, but france is still our neighbour. whether or not. whether people like that or not. personally, quite relaxed personally, i'm quite relaxed about if crossing the about it. and if crossing the channel a source channel from france is a source of and death and intense of danger and death and intense political debate in westminster, it to talk to it means we have to talk to france about fixing it. and it's only about months ago that only about 18 months ago that liz infamously well, liz truss infamously said, well, the is out on whether the jury is out on whether france a friend or foe. france is a friend or a foe. what a silly thing to say. post brexit, to work with brexit, we have to work with france. labour has this five point plan obviously greater point plan and obviously greater cooperation part of the cooperation is part of it. the other point briefly about prime minister's questions today, we've very serious we've got all these very serious grave the middle grave issues from the middle east to where lives are east to rwanda where lives are at risk. and it was a labour backbencher that took us back to sort political knockabout sort of political knockabout when what was when he said what was lord cameron's greatest foreign policy achievement and some people, know, cleared people, you know, cleared their throat shoes throat and looked at their shoes rather throat and looked at their shoes ratiand it was a g8 >> and i think it was a g8 summit that a meeting that rishi sunak cited, i'm not sure it must have still been when russia was in the g8, which is now the

g7. was in the g8, which is now the 67. of was in the g8, which is now the g7. of course, it's quite some time ago . time ago. >> there were there were questions, weren't there raised about david cameron's suitable kitty. >> kitty. >> oh, there were always going to be. i have to admit, when he when he stepped out to the car on monday, i think everybody on on monday, i think everybody was to admit. was shocked. i have to admit. i think everybody around westminster like, that was westminster was like, that was the thought we the last person we thought we would i do think rishi would see. but i do think rishi handled those questions handled those those questions pretty has been dealt pretty well. it has been dealt with the treasury select with by the treasury select committee, and there was a government commissioned report into it. so think that that into it. so i think that that can kind of filed. and it's can be kind of filed. and it's just of these kind of just one of these kind of political noises think political noises that i think a lot of people in the country won't overly care about that much. reshuffles have very little people little impact on how people actually have actually vote. but yeah, i have to just i just to back to just i just want to come back on point peter just on one point that peter just made. when we talk about made. again, when we talk about giving to money france, well, that's that's the labour that's what that's the labour plan. just continue give plan. it's just continue to give more france and what more money to france and what are to get back in are we going to get back in return? this is this is the fundamental failure the fundamental failure of the labour they don't labour party is they just don't have and the james have any answers. and the james club right. all they're doing club is right. all they're doing is conservative policy

is copying conservative policy and that they're is copying conservative policy and and that they're is copying conservative policy and and it that they're is copying conservative policy and and it is that they're is copying conservative policy and and it is incredibly: they're not. and it is incredibly dishonest, opinion. dishonest, in my opinion. well, let's pause this conversation here cross our political here and cross to our political editor is waiting patiently editor who is waiting patiently in his analysis in westminster for his analysis because christopher hope, what did of both of these did you make of both of these duel events? >> firstly , the prime minister's >> firstly, the prime minister's announcement going after announcement he's going after this treaty with rwanda and this new treaty with rwanda and then the follow up act from the home secretary . home secretary. >> that's right, tom. he's doubung >> that's right, tom. he's doubling down, isn't he, on the idea of rwanda being a safe country. but you the country. but if you read the terms of this ruling by the supreme court, as white was supreme court, as mark white was setting out very eloquently, they about it being they are worried about it being a doubling down a safe country and doubling down on may not work. it on that policy may not work. it may mark says , another may be, as mark says, another year before the first flights can take flights, which can take off the flights, which the home secretary, the former home secretary, suella braverman , dreamt of. but suella braverman, dreamt of. but we are seeing slight we are seeing a slight difference in language and tone right now in time the right now in real time in the house we heard, house of commons. we heard, didn't we, from the prime minister. he's saying he's willing at willing to look again at international conventions, willing to look again at interntdomestic�*iventions, willing to look again at interntdomestic lawsions, willing to look again at interntdomestic lawsion make willing to look again at inteihappen stic lawsion make willing to look again at inteihappen .tic lawsion make willing to look again at inteihappen . andiwsion make willing to look again at inteihappen . and justyn make willing to look again at inteihappen . and just nowike willing to look again at inteihappen . and just now in the this happen. and just now in the house of commons, james cleverly is similar said is on a similar question, said we're going to put forward

we're not going to put forward proposals manufacture proposals simply to manufacture an row for short an unnecessary row for short term gain . that's because, as we term gain. that's because, as we know, cleverly the new know, james cleverly the new home secretary, not keen home secretary, is not very keen on revisiting even pulling on revisiting or even pulling out of the the european out of the echr the european convention on human rights. so you've got these there's two there's two views here from both there's two views here from both the prime minister and his home secretary, who's going to win oven secretary, who's going to win over. we are going to hear later on today from the prime minister. expecting him minister. we're expecting him to be take some questions be able to take some questions about what he about this. so we'll see what he says then. but i think there are issues background of issues here. the background of all course, real all this, of course, is real concern here tory mps faced concern here from tory mps faced with lose their with pressure to lose their seats. scott simon clarke, the latest former tory latest senior former tory minister, suggested that there may be an issue here with the leadership of rishi sunak, the about an hour and a half ago, we had had on gb news, we heard from dame andrea jenkyns saying as many as six further mps on top her are willing put in top of her are willing to put in letters no confidence in the letters of no confidence in the prime minister so this is getting quite existential here for minister. what for the prime minister. what does do next? wait and

does he do next? we'll wait and see. how soon can he see. but also how soon can he get any result on get any further any result on a new deal with rwanda? is rwanda the right safe country? it may be that courts say no again, in which we're back to square which case we're back to square one.the which case we're back to square one. the one thing they have got, tory party is labour's got, the tory party is labour's response is pretty weak. all they're we're going to they're saying is we're going to work closely with eu work more closely with the eu and other enforcement bodies and other law enforcement bodies to boats. so the to stop the boats. so far the government has stopped about a third of the boats crossing or the crossing, should the numbers crossing, we should say, by a deal with say, by doing a deal with albania. labour doing the similar the good similar thing. but the good there's attack out there's a big attack advert out today the tory party within today for the tory party within the hour showing sir keir the last hour showing sir keir starmer opening a door and allowing people into this country. that's where think country. that's where they think they away with that. but they can get away with that. but really the small boats are not going be stopped by christmas going to be stopped by christmas or and that in or any time soon, and that in the immediate term is a real problem for sunak and his mps i >> -- >> it's inconceivable really, that flights could leave for that any flights could leave for rwanda this side of the election. and you mentioned those no confidence letters . those no confidence letters. could this turn into a bit of a

damp squib? because would it not be ludicrous to change the prime minister at this stage , possibly minister at this stage, possibly less than a year to go before a general election ? that sounds general election? that sounds crackers to many people . all we crackers to many people. all we just sound crackers and you can't really see soledar braverman or even priti patel commanding enough support across the whole to party beat mr sunak in any contest. >> but we're not talking about a contest, are we? the letters are ones of no confidence. so all all that would happen is if they cleared the threshold of 50 or so tory mps putting in letters to 1922 committee chairman, to the 1922 committee chairman, graham they be graham brady. they would then be a confidence in the a vote of confidence in the prime minister. now happened in the sirjohn major, the past to sirjohn major, triggered own vote of triggered his own vote of confidence the mid 90s confidence back in the mid 90s to and bring his party back to try and bring his party back into line. so that's what would happen. it would attempt happen. it would be an attempt by mps triggering vote happen. it would be an attempt bytry mps triggering vote happen. it would be an attempt bytry and s triggering vote happen. it would be an attempt bytry and force gering vote happen. it would be an attempt bytry and force the 1g vote happen. it would be an attempt bytry and force the pm, vote happen. it would be an attempt bytry and force the pm, mr'ote to try and force the pm, mr sunak, to wake up and adopt more right wing policies. but he would win any, i expect, any no

confidence vote. we're nowhere near of last year with near the chaos of last year with bofis near the chaos of last year with boris johnson and latterly the threat to truss. but it threat to liz truss. but it would a wake call. i think would be a wake up call. i think , the prime minister to , for the prime minister to bnng , for the prime minister to bring to and go after bring to try and go after support that mandate from 2019 leaned further into tax cuts . we leaned further into tax cuts. we heard him with an answer just in heard him with an answerjust in the house of commons just now saying that he was in favour, possibly of cutting taxes when the is right. we heard the the time is right. we heard the language stronger than we've language was stronger than we've heard previously. with fall heard previously. with the fall in today. the idea in inflation today. so the idea would be to, as a wake up call for the pm his leadership, for the pm and his leadership, not so much to in him. not so much as to throw in him. >> this idea of a new treaty >> now this idea of a new treaty has been laid out not detail, has been laid out not in detail, but in scope. this afternoon we're going to hear more about this at court 4:45. in this press conference from the prime minister. but mightn't events get ahead of him? how what are the moves on the back benches of the moves on the back benches of the conservative party? what amendments might be being cooked up about changing our own domestic law before any sort of treaty could be imagined ?

treaty could be imagined? >> i can't see how backbenchers can do much without. there was a big meeting tom, about two hours ago between senior tory right wingers bill cash from the from the from the house of commons. lord frost, you know him well from from the house of lords. they are trying to work out how they can almost provide the space sunak to take some space for mr sunak to take some form of strong action. but you can see, can't you, them going into an election next year on the of withdrawal the pledge maybe of withdrawal or membership the or reviewing membership of the european the european european court and the european convention human rights convention of human rights rights, should but rights, i should say. but i can't backbench measures can't see any backbench measures because talking about because we're talking about international treaties there, which really be which can't be really be triggered by the house of commons. needs an executive commons. it needs an executive in these form of government support. it hasn't got it yet, but seeing opened but we are seeing he's opened the it and that's the door to it and that's the whole conversation next whole conversation over the next few days on gb news and elsewhere will be how far will he make the small boats he go to make the small boats stopping happen? he go to make the small boats st0|chris happen? he go to make the small boats st0|chris formeri? he go to make the small boats st0|chris former prime minister >> chris former prime minister bofis >> chris former prime minister boris johnson has popped up, as you might expect, on x. he is

urging the prime minister, rishi sunak , to change the law to sunak, to change the law to designate rwanda a safe country. he's arguing that the government has the power under the asylum and immigration act of 2004 to do that . do that. >> and that could be what happens when they renegotiate this treaty, because, of course, the problem they've got is that detailed set out by detailed judgement set out by mark earlier, colleague mark white earlier, my colleague made clear that the courts made very clear that the courts do not believe that rwanda is a safe country. so if we legally make it a safe country, the judges must abide by the law. they must abide by the will of parliament. clearly they must abide by the will of par| strategy clearly they must abide by the will of par| strategy . clearly they must abide by the will of par| strategy . an clearly they must abide by the will of par| strategy . an idea.:learly they must abide by the will of par| strategy . an idea. we'll' the strategy. an idea. we'll wait to see if that's what the pm mr sunak sets out at his press conference later today . press conference later today. >> absolutely. fascinating stuff. well chris, we know we'll be back with you throughout the day as things develop, not just in 10, but across in number 10, but across parliament as well. in the meantime , we're still joined in meantime, we're still joined in the political the studio by political commentator peter and the commentator peter barnes and the former editor of labourlist , former editor of labourlist, peter edwards. now peter barnes ,

peter edwards. now peter barnes, just listening there to the opfions just listening there to the options that rishi sunak has before him, none of them look immediate and none of them look easy. >> no, that's going to be the next biggest problem that number 10 faces. where do they go from here? like you said, there's so many options on the table. and i do think this is a kind of last chance situation where chance saloon situation where if they wrong one, i think they pick the wrong one, i think this is i think this is curtains for the entire lot. do i do for the entire lot. i do i do actually for once with actually agree for once with bofis i actually agree for once with boris i think boris johnson i do think actually going down this kind of categorising as a safe categorising it as a safe country is probably country route is probably the easiest do it because easiest way to do it because they've got the majority in in they've got the majority in in the commons able just the commons to be able to just kind through kind of push this through relatively could be relatively quickly, but could be a the lords, it could a battle in the lords, it could be and that and that's where it's just about to say and that's where they're where that's where they're just where they're get tripped up they're going to get tripped up over and again. we've over again and again. we've always as held always seen the lords as held back of these kind of back a lot of these kind of reforms and whether there's going kind of it out going to kind of milk it out till get to the general till the we get to the general election, i'm not quite sure, but very difficult but this is a very difficult decision for some. a lot smarter

people than me. >> edwards, the same >> peter edwards, the same question these options question to you. these options that has before that the government has before it, it's still going after rwanda. i suppose sees that rwanda. i suppose it sees that it's 140 million plus into it's sunk 140 million plus into this scheme. it would look rather for to walk away rather bad for it to walk away from of that investment. from all of that investment. >> now, it would look bad in terms of the financial position and bad and it would look bad politically. think they'll politically. so i think they'll stick it. and there is a stick with it. and there is a parallel with, know, when parallel with, you know, when governments missing governments are missing their targets, but carrying on, punching bruise, punching the bruise, so to speak, because they feel it benefits so benefits them politically. so late perhaps less late labour mps are perhaps less comfortable about rwanda comfortable talking about rwanda in historically in immigration. historically tories that rwanda tories believe that rwanda policy is very popular, particularly among northern seats, what call red seats, what we call the red wall. so although they've had judicial setback today, you know, judges are very low profile that james cleverly, the new home secretary, was very bullish about. carry on bullish about. he'd carry on going it and there is a going with it and there is a parallel with 2010 to 15 when the big thing was the deficit. and the shadow and i worked with the shadow treasury and george osborne treasury team and george osborne was deficit was behind in his deficit targets, but kept talking targets, but they kept talking about because they about that because they felt having conversation the having a conversation about the deficit hurt labour.

>> ? >> why? >> why? >> why? >> why would the government, peter, not not sorry. i just got my pen caught in my hair. sorry about that. why would the government not just ditch this completely and, and, and start ' 7 in. again? >> well, one, they'd have to admit that they'd wasted time and wasted money, which politically would just be suicidal. also the fact that suicidal. but also the fact that they're so far into this now that think they're going that i don't think they're going to dig ultimately, not to have to dig ultimately, not many people. >> be a fraction of >> it would be a fraction of people backlog that would people of the backlog that would be by sending these flights. >> so this is always it's not actually tackling it. yes. this has of my has always been one of my biggest criticisms of the actual rwanda is it's not going rwanda policy is it's not going to this massive reforming to have this massive reforming effect they've continually effect that they've continually said to have. said that it was going to have. >> for me, what i >> what what for me, what i think rwanda really think the rwanda policy really is, signal that the is, is a signal that the government is willing to and willing importantly, willing and more importantly, able issue at a able to tackle this issue at a competent way. and they don't seem to doing it at the seem to be doing it at the moment. i think was the moment. but i think that was the idea it. and i think it's idea behind it. and i think it's that signalling that, like we said red wall voters

said to those red wall voters where issue is a major where this issue is a major issue those seats. i think issue in those seats. i do think that, being able to that, you know, being able to say look, we've the say that, look, we've got the flight there's the pictures flight and there's the pictures of flight going out and of the flight going out and there's, know, able to there's, you know, being able to put that image in people's minds was the was very important to the conservatives re—election. >> the >> that's the example of the gimmick that cooper is gimmick that yvette cooper is talking about. >> oh, yeah, she's bang on. i have to i'm great have to admit, i'm no great lover of labour party, but lover of the labour party, but yvette cooper is absolutely bang on issue. she has been on on this issue. she has been spot about all the problems spot on about all the problems of policy for quite of the rwanda policy for quite some and she's right some time. and yes, she's right that gimmick of it, which that the gimmick of it, which is which you can be criticised of, but also important but it's also very important in the do we really the sense of the do we really have control of our own borders and our own laws? and i think the rwanda policy is kind of showing a of that showing to a lot of voters that despite brexit despite all despite brexit and despite all the genuinely don't. the talk, we genuinely don't. >> okay, let's take a

sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news . news. >> well , despite a massive loss >> well, despite a massive loss in the supreme court today, there has been some glimmer of light for the prime minister. >> rishi sunak has fulfilled his pledge to halve inflation. this morning's official figures show a sharp fall from 6.7% to 4.6. quite a drop here with a full breakdown of today's numbers and exactly what it means for you, here's our business and economics editor liam halligan with on the money . with on the money. >> good news, inflation is down

sharply. that's due, says prime minister rishi sunak to hard decisions. those 14 interest rate rises from the bank of england and fiscal discipline in chancellor jeremy hunt's determined nation not to cut taxes , despite what tory taxes, despite what tory backbenchers want. so what are these inflation numbers? here they are. in october last month 4.6, prices were 4.6% higher on average than they were in october 2022. that is sharply down from 6.7% in in inflation in september. and a long way down from the peak october 2022, when we had inflation at 11.1. but none of this means that the uk is doing particularly well internationally. look at this. there's our 4.6% inflation number in october. the eurozone has inflation of 2.9. in america, it's 3.2. so uk price pressures are still greater , it pressures are still greater, it seems, than many other large economies. and why are they? a

big reason? is food prices, food price inflation in october was still 10.1. food a 10% plus more expensive last month than the same month in 2022. that's down slightly from 12.1. inflation in september. but it's still really , really high. and when the office for national statistics published the new inflation numbers this morning, they disclose that food prices last month are now 30% higher than they were in october 2021, a 30% increase in food prices in just two years. that is pretty pulverising where there is good news, though, is lower energy costs that ofgem energy price cap that regulates the typical household gas and electric bill that came down at the beginning of october. so this isn't surprising . household gas prices surprising. household gas prices are down 31% since october 2022, and electricity prices down just over 15. that is a major boost for lots of household incomes

and also, if you drive a car or and also, if you drive a car or a van, you'll have noticed that petrol is a bit cheaper. 150 5.1 for a litre of petrol last month. that's down from 160 3.6, the same month in 2022. since it falls even bigger falls actually in diesel prices, motor fuel pnces in diesel prices, motor fuel prices combined were down 7.6% last month compared to october 2022. so what's the bank of england going to do now? we've seen , as i said, 14 successive seen, as i said, 14 successive interest rate rises . is the next interest rate rises. is the next meeting is on thursday, the 14th of december, just before christmas . interest rates have christmas. interest rates have been held at 5.25% since august . been held at 5.25% since august. i reckon they're going to stay there now . and i think that the there now. and i think that the next move in interest rates will be down. that's what the mortgage markets are indicating with a year fix now going with a two year fix now going below 5% for first time in below 5% for the first time in a long time. what could go wrong ? long time. what could go wrong? geopolitics could go wrong. we could see a spike in oil prices. this winter, which will push

inflation back up if the opec oil exporters cartel wants to do things that are unhelpful to western oil importers like the uk, we could see a sharp rise in gas prices if there's more turmoil in the middle east or indeed more turmoil between russia and ukraine. the base case, though, is that inflation is going to continue to come down and the next move in interest rates will also be down. while it's welcomed news that prices are no longer rising as quickly, we know many people are continuing to struggle, said the prime minister after these numbers came out. will people feel better off when the next election looms ? the tories election looms? the tories certainly hope so . certainly hope so. >> big, big questions as well. rishi sunak might have fulfilled one of his five promises in halving inflation by the end of the year, but the prime minister says hard decisions on the economy and public services and finances are still to come. >> growing the economy is number two on the promise list, but chancellor jeremy two on the promise list, but chancellorjeremy hunt, ahead of his autumn statement next week,

recognises that there is still a long way to go. there's lots more work to do. >> we still have to bring inflation down to its target level of 2, but now we are beginning to win the battle against inflation. we can move to the next part of our economic plan, which is the long term growth of the british economy. and that's why next week will be an autumn statement for growth. >> that was jeremy hunt, >> well, that was jeremy hunt, his opposite number, rachel reeves that government reeves says that the government should not be champagne should not be popping champagne corks the drop in corks about the drop in inflation, but maintains the importance of growing the british economy. >> you think in the autumn statement next week is to get our economy growing? most our economy growing? the most recent numbers just last week showed that the economy flatlined in the third quarter. of course, getting the economy growing is another one of the prime minister's pledges. but one at the moment he's not on track to meet all the way through this year and next year to. >> well, of course , falling >> well, of course, falling inflation impacts you . gb news inflation impacts you. gb news

has been out to talking the british public. you in other words, finding out if the latest figures have brought more trust out in the conservatives . out in the conservatives. >> the cost of living hasn't actually gone down. the cost of inflation hasn't gone up as quick. >> there's no party, i think, that will do anything for the ordinary people . ordinary people. >> it's everything more expensive than it was last year or the year before. >> i find it even more embarrassing to be british that we have people who are working full time with families having to visit food banks. >> the bills just aren't going down yet . down yet. >> even though inflation figures are reporting to be coming down. >> i think it will take a while yet for prices to settle back down and things to become more affordable . affordable. >> well, when will things become more affordable? liam halligan will join us back in the studio after your latest headlines with sophia .

sophia. >> it's 132. sophia. >> it's132. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom . some breaking in the newsroom. some breaking news to bring you to. 12 year old boys have been arrested on suspicion of murder after a 19 year old was stabbed to death in wolverhampton, west midlands police say sean ciceri was attacked in east park on monday night and died at the scene . the night and died at the scene. the prime minister says he's prepared to change the law to stop small boat crossings after the supreme court ruled against his rwanda policy. justices unanimously rejected a government appeal , saying the government appeal, saying the plan to deport illegal arrivals to the uk risks genuine asylum seekers being returned to the country they fled from . rishi country they fled from. rishi sunak told the commons he'll look to sign a new deal with kigali, given the legal challenges ease with downing street, confirming it could be presented to parliament in the coming days . coming days. >> the government has been working already on a new treaty with rwanda and we will finalise that in light of today's

judgement and furthermore, if necessary , i am prepared to necessary, i am prepared to revisit our domestic legal framework . let me assure the framework. let me assure the house my commitment to stopping the boats is unwavering . the the boats is unwavering. the prime minister is also facing division within his party after his cabinet reshuffle. >> the european research group's deputy chair, dame andrea jenkyns, who was the first to write a letter of non—confidence , told gb news she knows of six others who are planning to do the same in the morley and outwood mp says it's the last chance to stop sir keir starmer getting the keys to downing street . the government says it's street. the government says it's delivered on its pledge to halve inflation, with price rises slowing the most in two years. the latest data shows inflation was 4.6% in october, down from 6.7% in september for a fall in energy costs and house prices has helped reduce the figure which is still above the bank of england's 2% target. at and you

can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com . at gbnews.com. >> for a valuable legacy, your family can own gold coins will always shine bright roslyn gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . financial report. >> and here's a quick snapshot of today's markets . the pound of today's markets. the pound will buy you 1.24, six, $8 and ,1.1470. the price of gold is £1,581.88 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is . at 7526 points. ftse 100 is. at 7526 points. >> rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. >> sophia. thank you . so let's >> sophia. thank you. so let's stay with finances and money. gb news is economic and business edhon news is economic and business editor. liam halligan is with us at the desk. let's start with this inflation figure, liam, then the christmas party season. it's almost upon us. can't wait.

are we going to have more money then to go out on the razz? >> no, because prices aren't coming down. they're just not going up as quickly. just explain that a little bit. that's what inflation is . that's what inflation is. inflation means the extent to which prices go up. and if inflation falls, it means prices go inflation falls, it means prices 9° up inflation falls, it means prices go up less quickly. so for instance, food price inflation instance, food price inflation in september was 12.1. that means in september, food basket of food that the ons measures cost you 12.1% more than in september 2022. it's now down to 10.1. so food in october was just 10% more expensive than in october 2022. so there's no deflation, which is when prices fall. there's just lower inflation. economists generally think that a bit of inflation is good. it kind of lubricates the economy sort of one, two, maybe 3. but once inflation starts getting beyond four and 5, then what happens is, is what we call

inflationary expectation is kick in. so if you know that inflation is going to be 5, you're going to really push for a wage increase. if you know that inflation is going to be 5% and you're a company, you're going to put your prices up 5% so you don't lose out. so higher pnces so you don't lose out. so higher prices become a sort of self—fulfilling prophecy. and that's over the self—fulfilling prophecy. and that�*year over the self—fulfilling prophecy. and that�*year to over the self—fulfilling prophecy. and that�*year to 18 over the self—fulfilling prophecy. and that�*year to 18 months over the self—fulfilling prophecy. and that�*year to 18 months with' the last year to 18 months with inflation in this country going to 40 year high. inflation in this country going to and year high. inflation in this country going to and you high. inflation in this country going to and you wejh. inflation in this country going to and you we were chatting >> and you we were chatting earlier, you this stark earlier, you had this stark figure compared to 2019 in terms of food prices . of food prices. >> now, it's not it's not 2019. i mentioned it in my little video wall there. it's the ons, unusually , it did in its fine unusually, it did in its fine print in the press releases this morning , which i was reading, morning, which i was reading, it's sort of 7:01 and it said that while food price inflation is still 10.1, which is very, very high, that's compared to october 2022 over the last two years compared to october 2021. food prices have actually gone up 30. >> that was it, 330% since 23,

zero 0% up. >> by getting on for a third. now anyone who goes to supermarkets regularly , as i do, supermarkets regularly, as i do, has seen that happening. but it's pretty stark when you have those kind of suspicions and corroborate it in black and white in an official document from the national statistical office saying, yeah, 30% increase in food prices in two years, massive . is this pretty years, massive. is this pretty is this one of the reasons why? >> i mean, we were listening to those people out on the streets earlier saying they don't really feel like inflation is coming down. suppose food prices are down. i suppose food prices are one of things interact one of those things you interact with about any with more than just about any other price. there's a bit of a lag between prices and, for lag between food prices and, for example, energy prices . when example, energy prices. when might we see food price inflation fall back in line with the rest of inflation? >> food prices always lag other prices. why? because food takes, say, a year to create right ? and say, a year to create right? and farmers will tell you there are three f's in farming. well, there are lots of f's in

farming, but three f's that i'm going to talk about now. that's when you when you when you plant crops, you need fuel. you need fertiliser. and you need finance. and this time, last yean finance. and this time, last year, all those things were really expensive . it was really expensive. it was expensive to go the bank and really expensive. it was expimoney.o go the bank and really expensive. it was expimoney. |f]0 the bank and really expensive. it was expimoney. if a the bank and really expensive. it was expimoney. if a farmer bank and really expensive. it was expimoney. if a farmer wantsind really expensive. it was expimoney. if a farmer wants to get money. if a farmer wants to get money. if a farmer wants to get money. if a farmer wants to get money to fund a big planting operation. fuel was obviously very, very expensive and fertiliser was expensive too. in the aftermath of russia's war with ukraine, of course, russia, one of the major fertiliser producers of the world. and so those higher input prices are embodied in the food that we're eating now. so that's why food prices, about a year for food lag behind everything else. it takes a growing season. there's also some suspicion which the big supermarkets deny , that big supermarkets deny, that they're keeping prices artificial high. they vehemently deny that. i'm not sure what i think about that, actually. fair comment? ofcom i'm not sure what i think about that. >> rishi sunak hitting his target with this inflation figure today. i think it's lower than even you predicted . did you

than even you predicted. did you think i said five? >> no, i said it was it was start with a five or maybe even a four. okay. it's unusual. i didn't think it would go down to 4.6. is he right to say, oh, we're target because we're on target because economists weren't they predicting this anyway ? predicting this anyway? >> okay. >> okay. >> yeah. i mean, it was pretty clear that inflation was going >> yeah. i mean, it was pretty cltcomeit inflation was going >> yeah. i mean, it was pretty cltcome down ation was going >> yeah. i mean, it was pretty cltcome down byn was going >> yeah. i mean, it was pretty cltcome down by n wa when g >> yeah. i mean, it was pretty cltcome down byn wa when he to come down by half when he made his prediction of when he gave his pledge back in january when inflation was 10.1. and look , managing inflation is look, managing inflation is nothing to do with the government, really. it's the bank of england's job. it's the bank of england that raised interest rates. the interest rates. okay. the government hasn't government says it hasn't implemented cuts , which implemented tax cuts, which they think inflationary . think would be inflationary. well, wouldn't be surprised well, it wouldn't be surprised if some tax cuts in the if we saw some tax cuts in the autumn statement next week, next wednesday. they'll wednesday. i don't think they'll be taxation. i don't be on personal taxation. i don't think be on income tax think it will be on income tax or national insurance or even stamp on housing. i think stamp duty on housing. i think those things happen in in those things will happen in in the spring before a likely general election. i think there could easily be tax cuts for business next week, something

called full expense pip that will be extended . in my view. will be extended. in my view. that means that if you invest it as a business, you can offset that investment against your corporation. suggestions corporation. some suggestions that'll made permanent? well, that'll be made permanent? well, let's see. see. i think it let's see. let's see. i think it would be kind rocket boosters would be kind of rocket boosters to permanent, but just to make it permanent, but just a point here. a lot of point here. we know a lot of small business owners watch gb news and listen to gb news and rightly these small rightly so. these small businesses backbone businesses are the backbone of britain. the two thirds of our companies employ thirds companies employ two thirds of our people. all our gdp. our people. half of all our gdp. if a small business us if you're a small business us and you haven't got a load of cash in your bank account and lots businesses lots of small businesses haven't, particularly after lockdown restaurants , lockdown caterers, restaurants, pubs, all the rest of it. if you haven't got a big chunk of money andifs haven't got a big chunk of money and it's expensive to borrow at the moment, how can invest the moment, how can you invest to advantage these to take advantage of these investment tax breaks? you just want lower rate of want the lower rate of corporation tax . you don't corporation tax. you don't want full expensing offsetting a lower corporation tax . lower rate of corporation tax. it seems to me this would be a business tax for big business tax cut for big business tax cut for big business when we is business when what we need is help for small business. >> a really crucial point there.

no, thank you, liam halligan for explaining that difficult explaining all of that difficult economic some economic news, but perhaps some glimmers of light there for the government. very shortly we're going turning going to be turning our attention the conflict attention to the conflict between israel and hamas. >> rishi sunak says the government will do all it to can alleviate the suffering in gaza. there's a vote this evening in the house of commons. we'll be talking about that very

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six till 930. >> well, with infighting taking over the tory party opposition leader sir keir starmer doesn't want to miss out on the fun. he's fighting off his own internal revolt . internal revolt. >> yeah, he's got his own problems as well because rebel labour mps are expected to defy the party's position by backing the party's position by backing the snp's gaza ceasefire amendment to the king's speech. internal splits have been growing over the past few weeks, with many in the shadow cabinet calling for a permanent halt to the fighting . the fighting. >> well, toeing the party line, sir keir starmer is ordering his mps to abstain from the vote , mps to abstain from the vote, not to back the snp amendment and instead back a rival amendment that he is laying down calling for, quote, a humanitarian pause as well. >> to discuss all of this and what it could mean for sir keir starmer. we're joined again in the studio by political commentator peter barnes and former editor of labourlist peter edwards. peter, this is

quite a perilous vote , isn't it, quite a perilous vote, isn't it, for labour and sir keir ? for labour and sir keir? >> yes, it is. and i do want to stress, of course, the loss of life in the middle east is the most important thing. but keir starmer's labours candidate to be prime minister. so it's right that held to account that he's held to account publicly on his position. the big developments since yesterday, is yesterday, as you alluded to, is the labour amendment, which is really attempt to be really an attempt to be pragmatic because and to give mps credit, think everyone mps credit, i think everyone across um, accepts across the spectrum, um, accepts there was a wicked terrorist attack but the attack on israel, but the suffering palestine now is so suffering in palestine now is so enormous . suffering in palestine now is so enormous. and suffering in palestine now is so enormous . and really the enormous. s and it's really the language around suffering language around that suffering and how the labour frontbench expresses that . that's why expresses that. that's why they've put down an extra motion because we're a very because obviously we're a very diverse . we you've got diverse country. we you've got several labour mps, quite a high number, either through their own ideological view of the world or because they've been lobbied by their constituents or according to conscience, do to their conscience, they do feel of the feel that the scale of the deaths and it is enormous 11,000 has been treated with has not been treated with sufficient severity by the uk. labour party. keir starmer, to

be fair, is an incredibly difficult position. >> a difficult position, >> it is a difficult position, but it does show some pretty stark divisions within the labour party. we're hearing today that perhaps 50 plus labour mps will defy sir keir starmer's leadership and back this snp amendment . and there's this snp amendment. and there's been one report circling or circulating online that suggests 12 shadow ministers, perhaps more than a dozen shadow ministers. shadow frontbench labour spokespeople would back this snp amendment. surely that would mean sir keir starmer tonight may have to sack 12 of his frontbenchers . his frontbenchers. >> well, he won't want to do that, but and i suspect those numbers will come down. but he's also clear because again, we're deaung also clear because again, we're dealing with matters of conscience and high principle. but is also clear but keir starmer is also clear that things turn his way, he that if things turn his way, he could be prime minister in 12 months fewer. and can't months or fewer. and you can't go general election even go into a general election even on grave matters on such grave matters of conscience, not having a clear line that's adhered between conscience, not having a clear linepartys adhered between conscience, not having a clear lineparty leadership between conscience, not having a clear lineparty leadership bettheen the party leadership and the parliamentary party. otherwise, if fortunate enough to be if you're fortunate enough to be in struggle to in government, you struggle to get bills through.

get any bills through. >> it's pretty for keir >> it's pretty hard for sir keir starmer barbs rishi starmer to throw barbs at rishi sunak saying you don't have control over your mps. your sunak saying you don't have control is er your mps. your sunak saying you don't have control is writing mps. your sunak saying you don't have control is writing articles s. your sunak saying you don't have control is writing articles inyour cabinet is writing articles in the without your say so the times without your say so when potentially 12 of his when potentially 12 plus of his own aren't taking his or 12 own mps aren't taking his or 12 of his own shadow ministers aren't his own line. aren't taking his own line. >> me give a couple of >> let me give you a couple of quick now. first of quick thoughts now. so first of all, this period of all, we've had this period of tumult jeremy corbyn over tumult under jeremy corbyn over the year. is not the last year. this is not a left right split in labour left right split in the labour party. these to me are labour comrades all trying to act according to their conscience on an issue according to their conscience on an we've issue according to their conscience on an we've all issue according to their conscience on an we've all wrestled;sue according to their conscience on an we've all wrestled with, that we've all wrestled with, watched and many us prayed watched and many of us prayed oven watched and many of us prayed over. so i can understand that. but the other point think about the voters rather than the parliamentary party is voters respect strength . and several respect strength. and several people have made the comparison with tony blair in very different conflicts. his foreign intervention, particularly different conflicts. his foreign intehadition, particularly different conflicts. his foreign intehad enormous:ularly different conflicts. his foreign intehad enormous rebellions from he had enormous rebellions from his backbench, but the public understood that he was doing what he thought was right. and of course, a great chunk of the pubuc of course, a great chunk of the public protested. but tony blair did the majority after did still win the majority after invading iraq, and i won't

reopen debate now. but reopen the whole debate now. but there a sense that the public there is a sense that the public respects strength, even if they don't actually agree with the policy. >> only won 35% @ only won 35% >> so he only won 35% of the vote in 2005, a lot of vote in 2005, lost a lot of seats the lib dems. tories seats to the lib dems. tories won majority of the vote won a majority of the vote in england, a plurality of the england, or a plurality of the vote the uk. vote in the uk. >> gb news a whole gb right. >> gb news a whole gb right. >> peter barnes did rishi sunak have though? when he have a point though? when he said sir keir starmer, look, said to sir keir starmer, look, you want supported jeremy corbyn and we know and jeremy corbyn? we know repeatedly has refused label repeatedly has refused to label hamas a terrorist organisation. >> been a kind of >> this has been a kind of standard line that the tories have trotted out for quite some time the time now, saying about how the pretty entire labour pretty much the entire labour party backed jeremy corbyn not once, prime once, but twice to be prime minister. the security minister. and the security threat that he poses. and i believe that it's a very legitimate criticism. don't legitimate criticism. i don't think landing i'm being think it's landing if i'm being brutally in brutally honest, not just in parliament, with parliament, but also with general public. i've seen many people say, oh, the tories just trot corbyn whenever trot out jeremy corbyn whenever it do think it suits them. but i do think there a really serious there is a really serious problem keir starmer has problem that keir starmer has and that's that's the and that's and that's the question of anti—semitic ism. and lingering spectre and this, this lingering spectre that keeps surrounding the

labour party at the moment is it's no matter how many times he keeps saying it's a new party, he said it twice in pmqs. we're a new party. we're a new party. if have keep saying that if you have to keep saying that some people continue to believe that not party. and that you're not a new party. and i his on vote is i think his fear on this vote is it's to reignite that it's going to reignite that conversation the labour conversation about is the labour party really changed? has the labour party really moved on past that problem? >> rishi sunak new party >> well, rishi sunak new party says sunak says says labour rishi sunak says he's and he's he's all about change and he's just employed the former prime minister, yes, minister, david cameron yes, that's the problem, that's also the big problem, isn't there's a lot of isn't it, that there's a lot of words around and we're words going around and we're going how this falls going to see how this falls out. >> yeah, this this vote >> but yeah, this this vote today going to be very today is going to be very interesting for keir starmer and it fascinating to see it will be fascinating to see just sharp that number just how how sharp that number of firings actually of potential firings actually comes down and what what's actually in return actually being offered in return to frontbenchers. to those frontbenchers. >> it's interesting >> well, it's interesting because 12 plus frontbenchers, 550 plus back bench or mps in total , that's that's more than total, that's that's more than a quarter of the parliamentary labour party. that's a shocking lack of discipline. that's that's mps who are arguably

taking jeremy corbyn's line on this conflict. no sorry , rather this conflict. no sorry, rather than sir keir starmer's, that's codswallop. >> it's don't treat it as jeremy corbyn's line. >> jeremy corbyn is backing a ceasefire as these labour mps are suggesting to do . are suggesting to do. >> and take party >> let's try and take party politics nothing. >> let's try and take party politicsshould nothing. >> let's try and take party politics should act)thing. >> let's try and take party politics should act according to people should act according to their agree their conscience. we can agree with that. right. and tory with that. it's right. and tory mps act according their mps are act according to their conscience. not conscience. corbyn is not a labour mp. my view is he was. he was hopeless as a leader. and let's not fool, know, you're let's not fool, you know, you're all intelligent. let's not fall prey tagline in prey to rishi sunak tagline in prime question time prime minister's question time because his script, he was because of his script, he was very about jeremy very keen to talk about jeremy corbyn, not been a labour corbyn, who's not been a labour mp for several years, and that was really a flavour of the was a really a flavour of the tory general campaign . tory general election campaign. >> it not fair to say that >> is it not fair to say that tonight the there may be two amendments for mps to vote on, one snp, one from the one from the snp, one from the labour party, the party labour party, the labour party is backing humanitarian pause. is backing a humanitarian pause. the amendment, which the snp amendment, which is backed corbyn, is backed by jeremy corbyn, is backing a ceasefire. is it not fair describe one as an fair to describe one as an amendment jeremy amendment backed by jeremy corbyn and one backed by sir keir ? keir starmer? >> it is to me, i'm

>> of course it is to me, i'm afraid. corbyn is largely irrelevant conversation irrelevant to this conversation because he's not going to be a labour candidate. and keir starmer, without rehashing it all he's his principle. all now he's his core principle. how have a ceasefire how can you have a ceasefire when hamas hold more than 200 hostages? obviously israel and the western world are not naive enough to take at face value any kind of signature on a document that hamas would provide for a ceasefire. and obviously it could endanger the region more. so i recognise keir starmer is in tough position, but if in very tough position, but if he genuinely doesn't believe a ceasefire can be delivered, what alternatives are out? and then to briefly pick up on peter's point about anti—semitism , the point about anti—semitism, the labour party, several years ago it was a moment of great shame. the party should be ever vigilant, but i was at labour conference this year when the news came through of that horrific the horrific attack on israel. the silence observed impeccably silence was observed impeccably and were sad and and people were sad and sorrowful and respectful . sorrowful and respectful. >> yeah, that was inside the conference. what was happening outside the conference with all the that the flags and everything that was and going on. that's was waving and going on. that's that's biggest that

that's the biggest problem, that there kind of there is still this kind of spectre that surrounds that we might not labour party might not be the labour party itself, but there's lot itself, but there's a lot of people in it. when you people still in it. and when you talk about jeremy corbyn no longer labour mp, that longer being a labour mp, that doesn't he doesn't doesn't mean that he doesn't still impact an still have an impact on an influence on the labour party. there a streak of there is still a streak of corbynistas labour corbynistas within the labour party, in the back party, particularly in the back benches the benches that are leading the charge bill, on this charge on this bill, on this amendment. so to just say are a lot of people, peter, and we were talking about this earlier, weren't the meeting? weren't we, in the meeting? >> they still are not clear on weren't we, in the meeting? >> tiay still are not clear on weren't we, in the meeting? >> tia humanity not clear on weren't we, in the meeting? >> tia humanity inyt clear on weren't we, in the meeting? >> tia humanity in pause' on weren't we, in the meeting? >> tia humanity in pause isn weren't we, in the meeting? >> tia humanity in pause is and what a humanity in pause is and a ceasefire. exactly is the a ceasefire. what exactly is the difference? lammy, difference? because david lammy, the shadow home secretary, shadow was shadow foreign secretary, was saying a full conference, saying about a full conference, comprehensive humanitarian pause. that's what he talked aboutin pause. that's what he talked about in parliament. >> yeah, that's a lot of words. that doesn't really mean very much, which is typical for david lammy. the problem that they have is they're trying to appease certain element of the appease a certain element of the country. with country. and i do agree with peter that are a lot of peter that there are a lot of people want see a pause. people that want to see a pause. they want to see a stop to the fight. we all want to see a stop

to the fighting and a stop to the dying. however, there is this practicality and i think rishi sunak picked up on it very strongly in pmqs he said strongly in pmqs when he said that. was to an snp that. i think it was to an snp mp about the naivety of some of the comments we're hearing the comments that we're hearing from of people that from a lot of people that you can't just hamas to run can't just allow hamas to run rampant. is a this is going rampant. this is a this is going to ongoing conflict for to be an ongoing conflict for some and you can have these some time and you can have these pauses you like, but it's pauses all you like, but it's not going to basically israel can so what what can just go. so what and what we're about we're not really talking about is the diplomatic is actually the diplomatic implications of what this vote could to. you know, the could lead to. you know, the israeli very israeli government could be very furious uk for actually furious with the uk for actually siding ceasefire or siding with the ceasefire or siding with the ceasefire or siding of pause siding with any kind of pause that against what they that goes against what they believe is their their right to self. >> i just want to update viewers and listeners reuters and listeners because reuters news reporting noting news agency is reporting noting that is looking at deal that qatar is looking at a deal for civilian hostages to be for 580 civilian hostages to be released gaza. released from gaza. don't forget, british forget, there are british nationals held nationals that are being held and in exchange and that would be in exchange for three day ceasefire. for a three day ceasefire. reuters is saying that hamas has agreed the general outlines agreed to the general outlines of the agreement, but israel has not is still negotiating the

not and is still negotiating the details. so we will keep an eye on that. of course, qatar is where of leaders of where many of the leaders of hamas themselves far hamas are basing themselves far away any the fighting away from any of the fighting and in pretty luxurious accommodation . accommodation. >> just finally , peter edwards, >> just finally, peter edwards, can you can you try and help distil this idea? what's the difference between a humanitarian pause and a ceasefire would a would a three day ceasefire be a be a ceasefire a pause? well we ceasefire or a pause? well we are slightly into shades of grey. >> and i mean, the tory government have toughened up their language on israel's bombing. david bombing. and as we heard david lammy, foreign lammy, the shadow foreign secretary, has used more detailed or slightly more tough language on what a pause would look like. so a longer pause. i mean, i think to me, with the rafah crossing from which aid and people can get in and out of gaza into egypt is really reopened, but it seems to be fraught with political and safety and logistical difficulty . so i'd imagine it would mean a much longer opening of the rafah crossing, controls , crossing, albeit with controls, to give israel confidence about security. but the level of aid and fuel getting remember the

hospital and the kids on the incubator, the level of food and fuel getting full un keeps saying it's far, far, far lower than what it should be. so i think it's about proper aid getting in. >> well, peter edwards, thank you

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this wednesday lunchtime, the government's plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda has been ruled unlawful by the uk's highest court. >> we'll have all the latest reaction as the prime minister says he'll continue to do what it takes to stop the boats . it takes to stop the boats. >> but just how damaging could this prove to be for rishi sunak ? he clashed with sir keir starmer over the ruling during pmqs a little earlier. the labour leader accusing him of wasting tax taxpayers cash on the plan . the plan. >> meanwhile, keir starmer faces a huge challenge of his own over his reluctance to call for a ceasefire in gaza. a commons vote tonight could divide the labour party with some of the labour party with some of the labour leader's top team expected to rebel and potentially lose their jobs as plus, we'll also be bringing you some news. >> the reuters news agency reporting that qatar mediators are negotiating a deal between hamas and israel that includes

the release of around 50 civilian hostages from gaza. that includes seven british people that are still being held and that would be in exchange for a three day ceasefire . we for a three day ceasefire. we will bring you the latest on that and much more after your news headlines with sophia . good afternoon. >> it's 2:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom . the prime in the newsroom. the prime minister says he's prepared to change the law to stop small boat crossings after the supreme court ruled against his rwanda policy . three justices policy. three justices unanimously rejected a government appeal, saying the plan to deport illegal arrivals to the uk risks genuine asylum seekers being returned to the country they fled from rishi sunak told the commons he'll look to sign a new deal with kigali given the legal challenges with downing street confirming it will be presented to parliament in the coming days, the government has been working already on a new treaty

with rwanda and we will finalise that in light of today's judgement and furthermore, if necessary , i am prepared to necessary, i am prepared to revisit our domestic legal framework . framework. >> let me assure the house my commitment to stopping the boats is unwavering . is unwavering. >> labour leader sir keir starmer says it's time to admit plan a failed as he promised. >> he promised that he would stop the boats. this year. this year. stop the boats. this year. this year . today stop the boats. this year. this year. today is the stop the boats. this year. this year . today is the 15th of year. today is the 15th of november. he is wasted all of his time on a gimmick and now he is absolutely nowhere will he level with the british public and finally admit he's failed to deliver on his promise outside the supreme court. >> toufique husain, one of the lawyers representing asylum seekers, says it's a victory for the rule of law . the rule of law. >> this judge and this victory is a victory for our brave clients who stood up to what is an unlawful and inhumane policy

today. it's not just a victory for them, but it's a victory for the rule of law. it's a reminder for that no one is above the law i >> -- >> the prime minister is also facing division within his party after his cabinet reshuffle, the european research group's deputy chair, dame andrea jenkyns, who was the first to write a letter of non—confidence ounce, told gb news she knows of six others who are planning to do the same. the morley and outwood mp says it's the last chance to stop sir keir starmer getting the keys to downing street . sir keir starmer downing street. sir keir starmer is facing a rift within his party as rebel labour mps look set to defy the party line to call for a ceasefire in gaza. the snp put forward an amendment to the king's speech demanding a truce as israel's bombardment of the territory continues . but the territory continues. but labour mps have been ordered to abstain on the amendment and frontbencher risk losing their place in the shadow cabinet if they vote for it. they're instead being told to back sir keir's position in calling for

longer humanitarian pauses in fighting . meanwhile, israel says fighting. meanwhile, israel says it's carrying out precise and targeted operation against hamas in the city's large hospital. hundreds of patients are trapped inside the al—shifa as fighting continues. the israeli military believes hamas has a command centre beneath the site, which the terrorist group denies, as israel says it's delivered medical aid in incubators and baby food to the hospital . baby food to the hospital. however, the world health organisation says it's lost touch with the health personnel at the facility since the raids . at the facility since the raids. the government says it's delivered on its pledge to halve inflation, with price rises slowing the most in two years. the latest data shows inflation was 4.6% in october, down from 6.7% in september, a fall in energy costs and house prices has helped reduce the figure which is still above the bank of england's 2% target. and the to 12 year old boys have been

arrested on suspicion of murder after a 19 year old was stabbed to death in wolverhampton . west to death in wolverhampton. west midlands police says sean ciceri was attacked in east park on monday night and died at the scene . cervical cancer in scene. cervical cancer in england could be wiped out in the next two decades. nhs boss amanda pritchard has promised that the improved vaccination rates and screening almost nobody will get the disease by 2040. currently around 2700 women in england are diagnosed with it annually. the health service plans to ramp up its efforts to get people vaccinated against the virus , hpv, which against the virus, hpv, which causes up to 99% of cervical cancers . this causes up to 99% of cervical cancers. this is gb news causes up to 99% of cervical cancers . this is gb news across cancers. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to . pip news now it's back to. pip >> thanks very much sophia prime minister rishi sunak and home

secretary james cleverly have insisted that they remain committed to stopping the boats. thatis committed to stopping the boats. that is despite the supreme court earlier ruling that the government's plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda is unlawful. >> the plan was designed to deter illegal immigration into the uk by processing migrants in the uk by processing migrants in the east african country who would have been able to apply for asylum there or return back home. however, the prime minister will now have to go back to the drawing board and think of a new plan for putting an end to illegal boat crossings , which he made one of his five key priorities . key priorities. >> we can speak to gb news political editor christopher hope , who's in westminster and hope, who's in westminster and has been dissecting all this for us all day. so christopher, it sounds like the government is still very committed to the rwanda plan , even despite it rwanda plan, even despite it being deemed unlawful , full by being deemed unlawful, full by the supreme court. how does that work ? that that's right.

work? that that's right. >> the pm is doubling down on their commitment to rwanda, not least over the £100 million the uk has spent there trying to make it appropriate to receive illegal arrival. migrants from this country . illegal arrival. migrants from this country. he just illegal arrival. migrants from this country . he just recently, this country. he just recently, just an hour ago , number 10 have just an hour ago, number 10 have been briefing that in fact this new treaty, a new treaty with rwanda, will be laid in parliament in the coming days so flights can commence as soon as possible. and obviously, the text of that document is absolutely vital. they think they the fears they can allay the fears expressed this legal decision expressed in this legal decision today the supreme court in today by the supreme court in that document. so basically changing law to allow this changing the law to allow this policy now take a policy to happen. now take a view on that. will it go up to the european judges in strasbourg? will they then go to the rigmarole of stopping the same rigmarole of stopping flights taking when a plane flights taking off when a plane is the tarmac? will we go is on the tarmac? will we go through all this again on kind through all this again on a kind of groundhog doom loop all of groundhog day doom loop all next year? well, certainly mr sunak he's kept in sunak hopes not. he's kept in his back pocket. he made clear in prime minister's questions that he will review the domestic legal framework, including

international conventions. now that's a clear indication to the right of the party he's looking at maybe pulling out of the european convention on human rights the rights ripple feeling the human rights ripple feeling the human rights act but that's not really where james cleverly sits. he's shortly after mr sunak sat down, mr cleverly told mps , we're not mr cleverly told mps, we're not going to put forward proposals simply to manufacture an unnecessary row for short term gain. so clearly there's almost a division emerging right now between the new home secretary , between the new home secretary, james cleverly, and his prime minister for rishi sunak on something fundamental at the heart of tory right wing politics, really, which is withdrawal of the echr to give back us all control of our borders and our laws . that that borders and our laws. that that that slogan from the 2016 eu referendum. >> fascinating that it's being revisited there . of course, revisited there. of course, we're going to hear more from the prime minister at 4:45 in a downing street press conference. what can we expect to hear from him then ? him then? >> well , him then? >> well, he'll look to reassure that that's a chance to look down the barrel of a camera

rather than at sir keir starmer and try and convince voters at home. viewers of gb news watching that live. why he he can deliver on this promise to stop the boats. he made that promise, tom, didn't he? back in january this means he can't stop the boats that that idea has gone the waiting list won't be cut for nhs other measures. there's good news today on inflation. he'll probably want to stress i am. i have to stress that i am. i have dean to stress that i am. i have dealt with with the biggest he would call it a tax on people's wage packets, which is wage wage packets, which is inflation, it's not inflation, although it's not really because attacks. really a tax because it attacks. but he'll and use that but he'll try and use that moment look down the barrel moment to look down the barrel of camera. our viewers of the camera. to our viewers and and convince that, and try and convince them that, trust me, i can sort out this small boat mess. now, the numbers slowed numbers of arrivals have slowed by a third because of a deal with albania, where some the with albania, where some of the criminal of albania were criminal gangs of albania were bringing these individuals over on the boats there across the channel. to go much channel. but he needs to go much further that stop the further than that and stop the boats stop the boats. and boats means stop the boats. and of course, he didn't say it would be this year, but it would be by this year, but it will be at some point soon. so

it's really it's on him really to convince viewers voters to convince our viewers voters that got he's what it that he's got he's got what it takes. the sidelines, takes. but on the sidelines, tory are very cross. dame tory mps are very cross. dame andrea jenkins put letter in andrea jenkins put a letter in this no confidence. she this week of no confidence. she tells mps feel the tells us six more mps feel the same way. that number is growing and growing in sir graham brett graham in—tray. graham brady's in—tray. if that reaches or tory reaches more than 50 or so tory mps, might a protest mps, it might trigger a protest vote confidence . i don't vote of no confidence. i don't think it will unseat sunak think it will unseat mr sunak will big wake up call for will be a big wake up call for his administration and number 10 downing new treaty downing street. this new treaty with . with rwanda. >> chris, it could be ready within a week or so. progress could be rapid . well, sir, they could be rapid. well, sir, they say within days it will then it will then be poured over by judge, by lawyers and that will then go through parliament. >> mps will pass it and then we might have a battle between whether a sovereign law passed by parliament can be challenged in european courts . and then we in european courts. and then we get this old conflict of do we have of our borders and have control of our borders and our laws? after the brexit referendum in 2016? we're meant to done, aren't we? we're

to have done, aren't we? we're told were to have that told we were going to have that by boris johnson, the architect of left the of that, and now he's left the government. no, but mr sunak did support brexit, so it's a real challenge for him make sure challenge for him to make sure he that. but to he can deliver on that. but to be fair to, if you can be fair to the tory government on this one, they are trying to do one, what they are trying to do here more than labour and the here is more than labour and the tory has put out a an tory party has put out a an advert this lunchtime on social media the starmer media of the keir starmer opening door to more opening the door to more migrants here and the migrants coming here and the view is and they'll use the election they're trying election at least they're trying to something different rather to do something different rather than out enough. than just knock out do enough. as would labour are as they would say. labour are planning labour's plan is to planning to. labour's plan is to work law work more closely with law enforcement the continent and enforcement on the continent and do deals, which do more bilateral deals, which really is what the tory government trying do. so government is trying to do. so i think they are trying do more think they are trying to do more and got there not and they have got there is not and they have got there is not an easy place. i think, for keir starmer to argue against the tories some suggestions tories on in some suggestions that government deal tories on in some suggestions that the government deal tories on in some suggestions that the eu government deal tories on in some suggestions that the eu would rnment deal tories on in some suggestions that the eu would involve deal with the eu would involve sharing eu migrants the sharing eu migrants with the united sharing eu migrants with the uni potentially more >> potentially more asylum seekers to the uk via seekers coming to the uk via that route. we know that's what happened under the dublin arrangements when we were

members . members of the eu. >> yeah, that's that will be difficult for many to understand if that is what we actually mean by brexit. if we're going to start sharing quotas of migrants from who are set around the country, the country, as you say, the dublin agreement ended there. so whether that can be renegotiated in a different way by sir keir starmer whole by sir keir starmer the whole the trade and cooperation the whole trade and cooperation agreement for grabs agreement is up for grabs and renegotiation a year and renegotiation in a year and a half time or so. so whether that forms part of that conversation, it shouldn't, it do. it shouldn't, but it may do. we'll and see. we'll wait and see. >> well, big, big steps ahead >> hm well, big, big steps ahead . chris hope, thanks very much for there. just from for updating us there. just from westminster. cross now to westminster. let's cross now to our and security desk with our home and security desk with our home and security desk with our home and security desk with our home and security editor mark white. and, mark, what are the implications , actions from the implications, actions from today? look forward today? what can we look forward today? what can we look forward to as our next steps? >> well, the biggest implication is a continuing action of the very long and drawn out legal process to get to some kind of conclusion as to whether ultimate shortly whatever the

new rwanda deal or treaty will be in is lawful because we've already had a process of going through multiple courts to get that judgement from the supreme court today. now, if it becomes a treaty rather than a memorandum of understanding, it will have to go back and be relitigate again with not just the government arguing its point, but all those oppose opposed to this, putting their point. and if it wins, it will go point. and if it wins, it will 9° up point. and if it wins, it will go up and be re appealed and no doubt by which ever side loses in a particular court right up potentially to the supreme court again. so we're talking many months, potentially a year, not this side of the next election probably before we actually get a conclusion to this very sorry saga. a conclusion to this very sorry saga . what is interesting, i saga. what is interesting, i think, as well is the fact that we had a senior government minister, the home secretary standing up in the commons and

quite clearly saying they were prepared for this . they have prepared for this. they have been working on a workaround, a solution to this for many, many months and they are now ready to bnng months and they are now ready to bring forward this treaty which will set in stone how rwanda is much more robust just with its asylum processing . well, that's asylum processing. well, that's not what we heard from the previous home secretary who was in that office up until just a few days ago , when she said few days ago, when she said quite clearly in that excoriating letter to the prime minister that there was clearly no plan b and interestingly, actually, the home secretary previous to suella braverman deemed priti patel, has also come out in which she would seem in, at least if i'm reading this correctly , to back up what correctly, to back up what suella braverman is saying, because she says since the legal challenges began , ministers challenges began, ministers should have been working to resolve the concerns raised and ensure robust assurances were in

place to win this case, the risks had been raised during the legal challenges , particularly legal challenges, particularly following the court of appeal's judgement in the summer. dame pretty goes on. ministers have had the opportunity to address the points that have arisen over the points that have arisen over the issues of refoulement and questions will be asked about the actions they took . as this the actions they took. as this is a legal case which the government should have won . so government should have won. so reading what dame priti patel is saying there, she's clearly has some real concerns that the government were not working on a process of answering the questions that the supreme court had that they could have, according to priti patel, have had in place some of those answers for the supreme court before for that case was argued out in the supreme court. >> this scheme, mark, so far there are under scheme it's cost

over £140 million worth of taxpayers money. there are some tory mps who say we just need to leave this now, try something else as well. >> you can understand why they might come to that conclusion. with £140 million having been spent already , and not just spent already, and not just that, 19 months having passed just since this was initially announced as a plan. the difficulty for the government is it's the only game in town in terms of a potential solution to breaking the people smugglers model because, yes, they've got other issues around working more closely with law enforcement like labour want to do . also like labour want to do. also giving more money to the french like labour want to do. but this is one of the policies that stands out from what the opposition is arguing and actually brings them into closer alignment with some other countries around the world. for instance, denmark and austria are both reaching out to rwanda themselves to see if they can

sign similar deals to what the uk has signed with its memorandum of understanding . memorandum of understanding. germany and italy have gone to another country. they've gone to albania to do a similar sort of system where albania would take on these asylum seekers and process them as a third party safe country. so other countries clearly feel that this is perhaps s a solution going forward . aid to dealing with the forward. aid to dealing with the issue of people crossing into their borders illegally , sending their borders illegally, sending them off to a country that they didn't expect to be in as being quite a significant deterrent . quite a significant deterrent. so i think the government will feel emboldened by the fact that other countries appear to want to go down the same route. however it's deeply, deeply frustrating for them that it's just being done at every opportunity in the courts, being set back time and time again. >> it's interesting. the united kingdom is sort of pathfinder

here finding all of the potential pitfalls, maybe filling in those pitfalls and other countries potentially following in the future. you mentioned priti patel's intervention . i suppose one intervention. i suppose one other name that has popped up today is none other than boris johnson . he's pointed to an old johnson. he's pointed to an old column he wrote for the daily mail saying that the government should designate rwanda to as a safe country under schedule three of the asylum and immigration act 2004. would that help things? >> well, it might . i'm not a >> well, it might. i'm not a lawyer, so i can't really argue to the sort of merits of that, but it certainly seems quite interesting. i was at lydd airport in kent with boris johnson in april of last year when he announced this policy. it raised more than a few eyebrows about , you know, with, eyebrows about, you know, with, of course, many people condemning what they saw as a cruel and inhumane policy of effectively pushing off asylum seekers onto a third country. but since then , there have been

but since then, there have been lots of assurances given by by rwanda. i was across in march of this year with suella braverman in rwanda to see for myself the kind of accommodation , fashion kind of accommodation, fashion and other amenities that were being put aside for asylum seekers. and i think in terms of what asylum seekers were being offered in the way of accommodation and education and the wraparound care and services, there's no doubt that that was pretty impressive with what we were able to see. but the issue i think for the courts was not in those wraparound services , but actually in the services, but actually in the fundamental levels of processing the actual asylum seeker claims . the actual asylum seeker claims. and if that was to go against an asylum seeker, then they might find themselves back in the country that they fled from in the first place. and facing quite unsafe situations is that's the one they still need

to address and it seems a tricky ask thus far. but let's see if the treaty will work and it's certainly worth giving some thought to what boris johnson has mentioned. i've never heard that mentioned before, but it does seem interesting. certainly potentially that binding treaty forbids ing any what was the word refoulement going on. >> that's the word of the day, i suppose. but mark white will be back with you a little bit later on. thanks for joining back with you a little bit later on. thanks forjoining us. coming up, tory, turmoil, turmoil being matched by labour turbulence, labour frontbenchers could disregard keir starmer's wishes and vote for an snp motion promoting a gaza ceasefire this evening. rather than an extra humanitarian pause as requested to them by their leader. could a number of labour frontbenchers lose their jobs tonight? >> and all this comes as we hear that you know, trucks will bring fuel into the gaza strip today. thatis fuel into the gaza strip today. that is coming from an israeli

military spokes man. that would be for the first time since october the seventh. of course, we've we've heard many times that hospitals are grinding to a halt. premature babies are being taken off incubators because of a lack of fuel that fuel could be going in today, according to the israeli military . we'll the israeli military. we'll bnng the israeli military. we'll bring you the latest on that. stay with us here on pr's

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six till 930. >> welcome back. well, we've been talking a lot about a setback from the government today, the rwanda ruling, of course. but earlier this morning, rishi sunak actually had a bit of good news. he's fulfilled his pledge to halve inflation and fulfilled it early with this morning's official figures showing a sharp fall in inflation from 6.7% to 4.6. >> but the prime minister says hard decisions on the economy and public finances are still to come. >> growing the economy is the number two promise on the prime minister's promise list. his his five pledges, perhaps his pledge list. but the chancellor, jeremy hunt, ahead of his autumn statement next week, recognises there's still a long way to go. there's lots more work to do. >> we still have to bring inflation down to its target level of 2, but now we are beginning to win the battle against inflation. we can move to the next part of our economic plan, which is the long term growth of the british economy.

and that's why next week will be an autumn statement for growth. >> shadow chancellor rachel >> but shadow chancellor rachel reeves says the government should not be popping champagne corks about the drop in inflation and maintains that the importance and maintains the importance and maintains the importance of growing the british economy. >> in the autumn statement next week is to get our economy growing the most recent numbers just last week showed that the economy flat lined in the third quarter. of course , getting the quarter. of course, getting the economy growing is another one of the prime minister's pledges , of the prime minister's pledges, but one at the moment he's not on track to meet all the way through this year and next year to gb news economics and business editor liam halligan joins us now. >> hi, liam . hello again. we >> hi, liam. hello again. we keep saying the prime minister has fulfilled his pledge to halve inflation. was it really anything to do with him or the government, though? >> not really, because inflation an is i wouldn't say it's determined, but we try and tackle inflation with interest rate rises and they're very much

at the bank of england's department and we've seen 14 successive interest rate rises since december 2021, all the way from emergency lockdown levels of 0.1, believe it or not. and now interest rates are more than 50 times higher at 5.25. and of course if you've got a variable rate mortgage and you've had to remortgage recently having mortgage when rates were 1 or 2, you're really feeling that. i think what we can say from these inflation numbers is that unless there is something unexpected, a sort of black swan event, as we often say in economics, like geopolitical turmoil in the middle east, or a further outbreak , make an escalation of outbreak, make an escalation of the war in ukraine that pushes up energy prices . my central up energy prices. my central assumption here is that inflation is going to carry on falling. it went down from 6.7% in september to 4.6% in october. a very steep fall. inflation now at a two year low . pip, but

at a two year low. pip, but still more than double the bank of england's 2% target. and just to be completely clear , this to be completely clear, this isn't prices coming down. this isn't prices coming down. this is prices just going up less sharply than they have been. food price inflation in october was still at 10% compared to october 2022. >> so when people at home go , >> so when people at home go, oh, does that mean we'll have more money to spend with christmas coming up, what's the answer? >> if you got an average wage rise, the average wage rise this yean rise, the average wage rise this year, including bonuses, was about 7.5. but people don't live in averages. people live their own lives and by definition, if seven odd percent is the average , around half the population got a lot less than that. or no or no pay rise . so if the average no pay rise. so if the average wage if you did get an average pay wage if you did get an average pay rise of 7% and inflation is down at 4, you will have more spending power in what we call real terms after inflation. and that will be for good christmas. i think it's also worth saying next week we mentioned there the autumn statement. that's like a

budget . but autumn statement. that's like a budget. but all eyes on jeremy hunt. he survived the reshuffle. some people thought that he wouldn't . a lot of his own wouldn't. a lot of his own backbenchers and indeed a lot of the country are looking for tax cuts now because taxation as a share of our national income as a share of gdp is at 70 year high. i personally don't think there'll be tax cuts on income or national insurance. so there won't tax cuts. but won't be personal tax cuts. but i there could be business i think there could be business oriented tax cuts to try and get the economy moving. and we the economy moving. and if we have got arms around have got our arms around inflation now, if inflation is coming down towards the 2% target, if interest rates have peaked and you heard this in what rachel reeves just said there, the shadow chancellor for everything then switches to growth we've tackled growth. all right. we've tackled inflation. how are you going to get economy growing? it's get the economy growing? it's worth and tom, worth saying, pippa and tom, that global financial that since the global financial crisis in thousand and crisis in two thousand and seven, i you still seven, i mean, you were still at barely school and we were barely at school and we were young whippersnappers still in nappies. were young nappies. yeah, we were young whippersnapper journalists, weren't pip crikey , how time weren't we? pip crikey, how time flies . but we are still living

flies. but we are still living under the long, dark shadow of that two thousand and seven eight financial crisis, the global economy and western economies with big banking sectors like the uk have not fully rebooted . we've grown on fully rebooted. we've grown on average gdp , the economy by 1.2% average gdp, the economy by 1.2% average gdp, the economy by 1.2% a year since 2008, which is really , really slow. by historic really, really slow. by historic standards . really, really slow. by historic standards. in our lifetimes as a whole, we've generally grown by two, 2.5. and that makes all the difference. if the pie is getting 2% bigger, polish sticks is less caustic, it's less sharp edged , there's more to go around edged, there's more to go around . and it's easier for politicians to make decisions. they annoy fewer people. but when you're growing at 1% or as now flat lining rachel reeves is right about that . the latest gdp right about that. the latest gdp numbers in some kind of gordon brown type phrase, 0% growth, right . and when you've got 0% right. and when you've got 0% growth, it's very , very hard for growth, it's very, very hard for the government to make ends meet. the government has to borrow . that pushes debt borrow. that pushes up debt service . that's why it's the

service. that's why it's the final thing i'll say and it is quite a shock on a day of generally good economic news, the government's now spending more tax revenue more than 10% of all tax revenue on service. quite on debt service. quite incredible . incredible. >> so is this why to some extent, rishi sunak can say , extent, rishi sunak can say, look, i made some decisions that led to this. there has been so many campaigners who've been saying give this group pay saying give this group a pay rise, give group rise, give this group a pay rise, give this group a pay rise, taxes here, increase rise, cut taxes here, increase spending there. if the if the chancellor had given doctors their 30% pay rise, if 35, 35% pay their 30% pay rise, if 35, 35% pay rise, if some of these wage demands had been met, might this number today not have been achieved ? achieved? >> absolutely, because they'd have injecting more demand into the economy at a time when the supply side , the productive supply side, the productive ability of the economy is still labouring under lockdown , by the labouring under lockdown, by the way, and that would have generated inflation. so think generated inflation. so i think that probably the right that was probably the right decision. having said that, decision. but having said that, you doo, higher you know, doo doo doo, higher wage claims drive inflation or is it the other way round ? is it the other way round? economists have never really

worked that out. the fact that there's inflation means people want higher wages fact want higher wages or the fact that higher wages that people demand higher wages leads inflation. and i leads to inflation. and i actually think more that actually think it's more that the there's high the fact that there's high inflation means people demand higher wages. i think it was different in the 70s. tom when you had half the british workforce was unionised and there was lots of collective bargaining. it's only around a quarter now. so the trade unions are a lot less powerful. but look, let's set straight without champagne corks. but this is a decent number, 4.6, certainly lower than i thought. i said to you , pip, it might start with a you, pip, it might start with a four, but it will probably start with a five. so i was wrong about that. inflation is lower than we thought it would be. it's still more than twice the target. but having said that, unless there is some big geopolitical outbreak of renewed escalation of tension and violence, then i do think inflation now is going to come down. and i do think we're through these interest rate rises, no champagne corks, an orange juice is not my style .

orange juice is not my style. cup of coffee, a cup of coffee. thanks, cheryl baker. >> maybe an irish coffee. well still to come, how a commons vote on a gaza ceasefire is threatening to divide the labour party and potentially force sir keir starmer to sack more than a dozen of his own frontbench ministers. but first, let's have a look at your news headlines with sophia . with sophia. >> it's 233. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. the prime minister says he's prepared to change the law to stop small boat crossings after the supreme court ruled against his rwanda policy. justices unanimously rejected a government appeal, saying the plan to deport illegal arrivals to the uk risks genuine asylum seekers being returned to the country they fled from. rishi sunak told the commons he'll look to sign a new deal with kigali, given the legal challenges with downing street confirming it will be presented to parliament in the

coming days, the government has been working already on a new treaty with rwanda and we will finalise that in light of today's judgement. >> and furthermore , more if >> and furthermore, more if necessary. i am prepared to revisit our domestic legal framework . let me assure the framework. let me assure the house my commitment to stopping the boats is unwavering . the boats is unwavering. >> the prime minister is also facing division within his party. after his cabinet reshuffle, the european research group's deputy chair, andrea jenkyns, who was the first to write a letter of no confidence, told gb news she knows of six others who are planning to do the same. the morley and outwood mp says it's the last chance to stop keir starmer getting stop sir keir starmer getting the to downing street . the the keys to downing street. the government says it's delivered on its pledge to halve inflation, with price rises slowing the most in two years. the latest data shows inflation was 4.6% in october, down from 6.7% in september. a was 4.6% in october, down from 6.7% in september . a fall in 6.7% in september. a fall in energy costs and house prices has helped reduce the figure , has helped reduce the figure, which is still above the bank of

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>> the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news is . welcome back to news is. welcome back to gb news live. >> now, many of you viewers and listeners will have heard and seen about those shocking pictures coming out of gaza's main hospital. the al—shifa hosphal main hospital. the al—shifa hospital. we saw images of premature babies in that hospital who'd been taken out of their incubators because of a lack of fuel. well, we can show you some images now of premature babies being transferred to another area in al—shifa with

available electricity. i'm not sure whether that's another area or another location that has electricity warning these pictures do show distressing images. >> well, israeli troops entered gaza's biggest hospital after having barricaded it for days , having barricaded it for days, believing hamas headquarters operates in tunnels buried beneath the hospital, which the terrorist organisation hamas denies . denies. >> thousands of people have been trapped inside without power to operate basic medical equipment, while gaza, a officials, gaza officials who we should say are unked officials who we should say are linked to hamas. officials who we should say are linked to hamas . so we cannot linked to hamas. so we cannot verify these reports, but they say many patients in including three newborn babies , have died three newborn babies, have died in recent days as a result. but the pictures you are looking at now is of premature babies as at al—shifa hospital being moved to another location where there is elected necessity. and talking of electricity , israeli military

of electricity, israeli military in the last few minutes have said that fuel will be allowed into gaza and taken into un facilities. that has come from an israeli military spokesman. we will bring you latest on that. we well, let's get more reaction now to the supreme court's decision to deem the rwanda plan un lawful. >> speaking to former trade envoy under david cameron , lord envoy under david cameron, lord jonathan marland . lord marland, jonathan marland. lord marland, thank you so much for joining us. it's a fascinating day today. it started off with good news for the prime minister on inflation, but by midday, my goodness me, what a turnaround for the books. is there any way the prime minister can dig himself out of this one? well i think he can. >> but these two issues that you allude to are the most important issues for the general public that that of immigration. on the one hand and the other of getting the cost of living down. so he's achieved one of them.

and i think he will be full guns blazing or whatever phrase you want to put at it, trying to achieve the other . i do find achieve the other. i do find this court ruling really quite bizarre , and i actually find it bizarre, and i actually find it bizarre, and i actually find it bizarre that the court should be ruling at all because as agreement has been made with another government to deport illegal immigrants. another government to deport illegal immigrants . and that is illegal immigrants. and that is set in place. and i don't quite see why the court should have a ruling on it. the high court in this particular case. it also shows to me a slight naivety in that they probably haven't been to rwanda. they don't know what it's like. they probably got a slight built up pre—judged idea of what rwanda might be. i've been there twice in the last year and a half or so. i was there in february. i was there in june. last year. so if that's adds up to a year and a half and

it's an amazing country. i mean, it's an amazing country. i mean, it's an amazing country. i mean, it's an incredibly modern contemporary country with a very strong rule of law and some extraordinary facilities . extraordinary facilities. >> isn't one of the issues that the supreme court had was with the supreme court had was with the perhaps trustworthiness of the perhaps trustworthiness of the word of the rwandan government having pointed to a case whereby a deal between rwanda and israel was breached by the rwandan party in the past i >> -- >> well, i think they they can point to that . and they're not point to that. and they're not the only country in the world to have breached an agreement. in fact, there are very few countries that haven't so i think that's a tenuous case. i mean, the facilities that are being provided are are arguably better or certainly as good as they are here. rwanda is a particularly if you go to the caphal particularly if you go to the capital. kigali is a very , very capital. kigali is a very, very clean, modern city. and they

have, as i said earlier, a strong rule of law . they have strong rule of law. they have zero tolerance of corruption . zero tolerance of corruption. and it's been . it zero tolerance of corruption. and it's been. it is zero tolerance of corruption. and it's been . it is billed zero tolerance of corruption. and it's been. it is billed as a sort of switzerland of africa. i'm not sure switzerland is necessarily the right analogy , necessarily the right analogy, but that's what people call it . but that's what people call it. >> lord marland i think the only person we've seen going to rwanda, so far is the former home secretary, suella braverman, who as we know favoured very much this rwanda plan . but there are question plan. but there are question marks about whether other people that would be sent there would be treated fairly, what would happen to them. and also, let's face it, only a fraction of asylum seekers would be going on that plane. it would do nothing to tackle the backlog at all. >> well, i think it's very totemic in that we are prepared totemic in that we are prepared to send our asylum seekers or

immigrant immigrants or whatever you want to call them to another country. and it is meant to be a deterrent. i actually don't think it's a tremendous deterrent. and by the way , boris deterrent. and by the way, boris johnson was in kigali june last year , as was liz truss when she year, as was liz truss when she was foreign secretary. so they've been and seen and had discussions , as were other heads discussions, as were other heads of the commonwealth state, because they because rwanda are chair and office of the commonwealth currently and have been for the last 18 months and so every almost every head of state was out there for the commonwealth heads of government meeting, including are now. >> king just briefly , lord >> king just briefly, lord marland, what's what's your reaction to seeing your former boss, david cameron, back as foreign secretary? >> well, i'm delighted in one way. i'm rather cross in another because it means we can't play tennis together anymore. um but i'm and do other things. i'm delighted. i think he's a class

act . um, he delighted. i think he's a class act. um, he has a lot of experience. he's a he's a brilliant salesman, by the way. and, you know, i've seen that first hand when we were in government together and when i was his trade envoy. he's got a huge amount of contacts around the world and he's very highly respected around the world. and i think the problem with our dear foreign office is that they've lost their mojo . they're they've lost their mojo. they're not the authority they were around the world. they've . been around the world. they've. been doing too much finger wagging and holier than thou stuff , and holier than thou stuff, which has offended quite a lot of countries. and indeed, the european union are guilty as well. and countries have have complained about that. and i think hopefully they will now find their mojo again and they will understand that they have no right to go around lecturing and finger wagging and have to

build relationships in a post—brexit britain . and i think post—brexit britain. and i think david cameron is really well placed to do that. >> the man to bring mojo back to the cho. >> well, hopefully you'll still get to fit in a game of tennis with him or he'll fit you in rather well. >> i hope so. his tennis has improved, as you can imagine, since he was prime minister. he's had a bit of time on his hands. >> very good for health leaving office. merlin, thank office. well, lord merlin, thank you us this you so much forjoining us this afternoon. appreciate afternoon. really appreciate your time. >> w- e having me on. >> thank you for having me on. >> thank you for having me on. >> let's get the now of >> let's get the thoughts now of the conservative mp for stoke on trent north. jonathan gullies . trent north. jonathan gullies. jonathan, what's your reaction then to where we are at today with all this and with this rwanda plan? the government is still pursuing it, but no flights will surely leave for rwanda. this side of an election . well look, i share the disappointment, as i'm sure with many gb news viewers, about the fact that the supreme court has ruled against the rwanda policy. >> however , there we have to

>> however, there we have to respect the supreme court in its judgement, even if we don't like it. but i don't think the plan b that's been presented by the government, this of government, this idea of upgrading of upgrading our memorandum of understanding a treaty is understanding into a treaty is simply enough. it doesn't simply good enough. it doesn't go supreme court go far enough. the supreme court themselves laid out all the different of international different types of international treaties conventions treaties and conventions that were that acting as were signed up to that acting as a blocker. for us to be able to get fights off the ground. get these fights off the ground. and disappointed when and i was very disappointed when i the home secretary in i asked the home secretary in the chamber just a i asked the home secretary in the chamberjust a few minutes i asked the home secretary in the about erjust a few minutes i asked the home secretary in the about theist a few minutes i asked the home secretary in the about the fact few minutes i asked the home secretary in the about the fact whether utes i asked the home secretary in the about the fact whether he'd ago about the fact whether he'd be not just look at be willing to not just look at changing legal changing the domestic legal framework, which prime framework, which the prime minister spokesperson said they're willing to do. but whether they would be willing to disapply international laws and conventions , like conventions like the echr, like the convention and to the refugee convention and to get the answer nope from the home secretary was simply not good fascinating. >> it's fascinating. you mentioned this goes mentioned there that this goes beyond the as course, beyond the echr as of course, the mentioned in the supreme court mentioned in their ruling. how how likely is it to for the government to look at every single international treaty, the united kingdom has every single obligation. there

are potentially dozens of these agreements to disapply or parts of them. all would seem perhaps a tad ambitious. >> well, look, if you introduced a notwithstanding bill, something that bill cash has been advocate for an awful long penod been advocate for an awful long period of time, something that myself and danny kruger put forward an amendment forward actually as an amendment to illegal migration bill to the illegal migration bill before act of law before it became an act of law for the government, obviously didn't want to agree it, then didn't want to agree to it, then we that be we think that that could be introduced something introduced and something we could the house could get through the house quite speedily. we've seen the government get legislation through of when through in a couple of days when it's wanted to. so this an it's wanted to. so this is an idea i think should idea that i think this should certainly on the table and certainly be on the table and explored. i think we've explored. look, i think we've got the judgement from the supreme court that does, as you say, the different say, tom, outline the different conventions and treaties which are being able are obstacles to us being able to back control of to take back control of our borders we borders and essentially, if we don't that, if we don't go as don't do that, if we don't go as far as we need to go to deliver on this important pledge from the prime minister the conservative will reap conservative party will reap what box what it sows at the ballot box in next general election. in in the next general election. in my on trent north

my stoke on trent north kidsgrove talke kidsgrove and talke constituency, voted to leave constituency, 73% voted to leave the union. proudly the european union. i proudly campaigned to take back campaigned for that to take back control our our control of our laws and our borders. moment it borders. and at the moment it doesn't that. doesn't feel like that. >> gullis >> jonathan gullis notwithstanding, if it notwithstanding, bill, if it achieved support of the government could the government could pass the commons. but isn't the problem here the here that whenever the government do government has tried to do something ambitious on the borders, you only hold third something ambitious on the bothe s, you only hold third something ambitious on the bothe seats only hold third something ambitious on the bothe seats inily hold third something ambitious on the bothe seats in the |old third something ambitious on the bothe seats in the housethird something ambitious on the bothe seats in the house of 'd of the seats in the house of lords and of course the courts often interfere too. isn't the problem notwithstanding problem with the notwithstanding bill the lords wouldn't bill be that the lords wouldn't passit bill be that the lords wouldn't pass it ? passit? >> well, look, you could obviously something onto it, obviously put something onto it, which means that could which means that we could basically the basically bypass essentially the house of lords, but now we've obviously got our foreign secretary in the house of lords, someone who i'm sure will proudly advocate for the government's agenda there government's agenda in there as well obviously to well as obviously looking to keep relationship relations keep our relationship relations around world and i hope that around the world and i hope that he would able to provide he would be able to provide the master that needed to master stroke that is needed to get through the lords get it through the lords quickly, using years quickly, using all those years of experience rightly of experience that he's rightly pointed out that he both pointed out that he has both as a prime minister a leader of a prime minister as a leader of the conservative party and now soon a peer of the house

soon to be a peer of the house of something you've of lords, something that you've suggested happen. of lords, something that you've sugjonathan happen. of lords, something that you've sugjonathan physically. >> jonathan is physically pushing boats back pushing the small boats back into in the into french waters in the channel >> well, look under the >> well, yes, look under the nationality and borders act, the former secretary, priti former home secretary, priti patel, to patel, enabled the ability to push something the push back something the australians very australians use very successfully, which nudging successfully, which is nudging boats back french boats back into french territorial actually territorial waters and actually demanding that french pick demanding that the french pick those people up take them those people up and take them back french shores . it is back to french shores. it is completely unacceptable that it's british vessels it's constantly british vessels going into french going deep into french territorial waters to help people who are illegally trying to our country, who have to enter our country, who have chosen to themselves in a chosen to put themselves in a very vessel when very dangerous vessel when actually french are just actually the french are just standing boat standing by, watching the boat and anything about it and not doing anything about it themselves. it makes a mockery of near £700 million that of the near £700 million that we've invested into our relationship the french relationship with the french to date. though date. and even though small boats terms of boats crossings in terms of people are down by a third and in terms of vessels down by 50, we're still at nearly 30,000 people year alone. it's people for this year alone. it's simply not enough. the simply not good enough. the people enough, people have had enough, especially stoke, especially in places like stoke, where been taken where they've been taken advantage long, advantage of for far too long, having housing supply having their housing supply taken up, school places stretched, nhs

stretched, and obviously the nhs put strain . put under further strain. >> well, of course the government would say that 22,000 crossings have been prevented by uk france cooperation in the last but think jonathan last year. but i think jonathan gillis, speak for a huge gillis, you do speak for a huge proportion electorate proportion of the electorate when that's not when you say that that's not good enough. we thank you for your time on gb news this your time here on gb news this afternoon. your time here on gb news this afttl'm on. sure your time here on gb news this afttl'mon. sure there your time here on gb news this afttl'm on. sure there would be >> i'm not sure there would be the capability to actually physically back all physically push back all the boats. i know the government >> i know i know the government often says there's not often says that there's not international water between the uk is the uk and france, which is the difference australia difference between the australia parallel there was parallel where there was international but of international water. but of course are those argue course there are those who argue that entirely possible to. that it is entirely possible to. >> let's return to that >> well, let's return to that crucial vote in the commons this evening, threatens to evening, which threatens to split labour with split the labour party, with shadow expected to shadow ministers expected to disregard their leader's wishes and vote for a ceasefire in gaza i >> -- >> well, pro—palestinian protesters are expected to gather outside parliament in the next few hours and our reporter ray anderson is there for us. ray, not seeing huge ray, we're not seeing huge throngs yet , but ray, we're not seeing huge throngs yet, but in the past when there have been these big moments of foreign policy debate in the commons, it does get

quite hairy out there . quite hairy out there. >> yeah, definitely. >> yeah, definitely. >> this is being described by organisers as an emergency rally . it's organised by the palestine solidarity campaign, of which jeremy corbyn is a patron . patron. >> and of course, as you were saying, it comes ahead of this expected vote on a on an amendment which has been tabled by the snp where they're calling for a ceasefire between israel and hamas. snp westminster leader stephen flynn has said that parliament must show quote, moral leadership and vote in favour of backing an immediate cessation of hostile cities. now of course labour has tabled its own amendment, referencing the scale of the civilian casualties in gaza, but not going so far as to call for a ceasefire. >> and it's not yet known which of those two amendments, if any , of those two amendments, if any, will actually be called for on a vote. >> the speaker will make that decision, although we have seen indications online, as you were

saying, for many labour mps that they would back a call for an immediate ceasefire . for now, immediate ceasefire. for now, the psc is calling for pro—palestine protesters to show up in large numbers. they believe that if the more people they have here, the more pressure there will be, the more of an indication there will be for mps to back that ceasefire. call all the psc describes itself as the biggest organisation in the uk dedicated to securing palestinian humanitarian rights. they say that they're building a mass movement for palestine. they also say they're against anti—semitism . um, but they do anti—semitism. um, but they do accuse israel of flouting into national law. parliament square behind me has been barricaded. there's a number of police and that number is growing . that number is growing. >> there's also a number of police vans here as well. >> it remains to see if there's any violence. >> well, ray anderson, we'll keep a keen eye on how things develop there in parliament square. but for now, thank you

very much. and of course, suggestions that potentially 12 labour ministers might suggestions that potentially 12 labotheir ministers might suggestions that potentially 12 labotheirjobs ministers might suggestions that potentially 12 labotheir jobs tonighters might suggestions that potentially 12 labotheir jobs tonight andiight suggestions that potentially 12 labotheir jobs tonight and also lose their jobs tonight and also , yvette was , while yvette cooper was speaking earlier , speaking a little earlier, protesters removed from the protesters were removed from the house of public gallery house of commons public gallery after up ceasefire. after holding up ceasefire. >> signs getting quite dramatic. >> let's cross now to martin daubney, who of course , has his daubney, who of course, has his own show coming up next. martin, what can we look forward to? well the big topic is, is rishi sunak. >> rishi sunak suella torpedoed in their suella torpedoed him rwanda hole below the water. >> there is the entire mess sinking into the deep blue yonden sinking into the deep blue yonder. it feels like end of days talks of rebellions. we've got some more on that. we're looking at the china crisis that cameron is bringing, meant to be a safe pair of hands, but some of his financial past might come back the party on the back to bite the party on the bum . also, we'll have the latest bum. also, we'll have the latest on this labour backlash gaza. on this labour backlash on gaza. thanks very much, martin. >> that is next. thank you for your on gb live . your company on gb news live. we'll tomorrow .

>> welcome to itv news. it's 3 pm. i'm martin daubney. we've got a cracking show ahead of us today, including top story rwanda plan unlawful rishi having another nightmare on another day . suella torpedoed another day. suella torpedoed him yesterday . now with rishi

him yesterday. now with rishi sunak become rishi sunak next story. sunak we've delivered on inflation, which goes down to 4.6, but don't get too excited. everything's getting expensive, just a bit slower than before. and food inflation is still rocketing, so don't get the champagne in just yet . next, champagne in just yet. next, cameron's china crisis. he was meant to be a safe pair of hands . but today, china's communist controlled state newspaper has been the first bit of good press he's got. they've welcomed his appointment . but will his appointment. but will his financial past come back to haunt the conservative party? and finally , thomas cashman, the and finally, thomas cashman, the killer who murdered olivia pratt—korbel is in the court of appeal. will he get a success? we'll be there latest with all the live news. that's coming up in the next hour . so what we

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