good morning. >> it's thursday, the 16th of november. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, andrew pierce and bev turner rishi is fighting back. >> the supreme court said that the government's migrant plan was unlawful yesterday, but that will not stop. apparently, the prime ahead prime minister pushing ahead with prime minister pushing ahead witiwe'll take the extraordinary >> we'll take the extraordinary step of introducing emergency legislation. i will not allow a foreign court to block these flights when i said i would stop the boats , i meant it. the boats, i meant it. >> and problems too. for the labour party, a major rebellion for sir keir starmer. his authority has taken a huge blow. eight frontbenchers have quit or been sacked after 56 mps rebelled over a ceasefire in gaza and lawless britain last night. >> pro—palestinian protests were able to climb on the royal artillery memorial at hyde park corner in london. the met police say that they don't have the powers to arrest someone for climbing on a memorial. powers to arrest someone for climbing on a memorial . all are climbing on a memorial. all are we becoming lawless .

we becoming lawless. we're going to be having a little debate about that. we want to know what you think. do we want to give the police more powers in situations like this? maybe you think that you would like that like to see that gbviews@gbnews.com is the email address and maybe you're just sick of these sick to death of these protesters all protesters on the streets all the time. protesters on the streets all the because i've got to tell you, >> because i've got to tell you, i am fed up with them. >> well, first, though, here is your latest news with your very latest news with sophia . sophia. >> good morning . it's 931. i'm >> good morning. it's 931. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. lord david cameron has visited ukraine for the first time as foreign secretary video of the surprise visit to kyiv was posted on social media with president vladimir zelenskyy saying he's grateful for the uk's support , given the world uk's support, given the world isn't focussed on the war in his country. the talks addressed the need for weapons on the front

line, strengthening air defence and protecting ukraine's infrastructure and people . infrastructure and people. >> i bought the strength and determination of the ukrainian people . and what i want to say people. and what i want to say by being here is that we will continue to give you the moral support , the diplomatic support, support, the diplomatic support, the economic support , but above the economic support, but above all, the military support that you need, not just this year and next year, but for however long it takes. the prime minister insists flights to rwanda will go ahead in the spring as planned . planned. >> rishi sunak is looking to introduce emergency legislation after the supreme court ruled the government's asylum policy is unlawful . the prime minister is unlawful. the prime minister says he's working on a new international treaty to ensure the east african nation is deemed safe . the shadow defence deemed safe. the shadow defence secretary says labour isn't a party of protest and both firmness and discipline are needed. john healey's comments come in the wake of a major rebellion over the party's position on the gaza war. 56 of sir keir starmer's mps rejected their leader's stance and voted

for an immediate ceasefire between israel and hamas. jess phillips, afzal khan and yasmin qureshi are among eight shadow ministers who have left their jobs to back an snp motion train. drivers will stage a fresh round of strikes to ratchet up the pressure in their long running dispute over pay . long running dispute over pay. aslef union members will walk out between the second and 9th of december with different train companies affected on each day. drivers will also refuse to work any overtime . little progress any overtime. little progress has been made in the row , with has been made in the row, with union rejecting a pay union bosses rejecting a pay offer in spring and offer back in spring and millions of women in england will soon be able to access free contraception on the high street without having to see a gp from next month. women in england can get the pill by visiting their local pharmacy . it's get the pill by visiting their local pharmacy. it's part of get the pill by visiting their local pharmacy . it's part of new local pharmacy. it's part of new nhs plans to free up appointments in doctor surgeries . pharmacies will need to sign up for the service and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com. now it's back to

andrew and . bev andrew and. bev >> very good morning. it is 934. we've made it to thursday. it's been a heck of a week in politics. what a week now. pro—palestine. pro—palestine sign. protests, chaos broke out across london last night. the protesters scaled some of our war memorials and shut down major roads in the capital. >> just so fed up with these people, they climbed on the royal artillery memorial at hyde park after park corner after a demonstration outside the houses of this was, of of parliament. this was, of course, labour course, because of the labour party the motion where party vote on the motion where there huge party there was a huge labour party rebellion. gb presented rebellion. gb news presented patrick christys attended the demo last night and is what happened. >> are you saying israel is a terrorist and hamas as well ? and terrorist and hamas as well? and hamas definitely . hello. hamas is definitely. hello. would you be new? don't talk to gb news. quick question. quick question . why are you here question. why are you here today? where are you from? i'm just going for gb news. okay can i ask could i ask why? why?

you're covering your face. i just want to know why you're here today . here today. >> go away. go away . >> go away. go away. >> go away. go away. >> you're not wanted. go away . >> you're not wanted. go away. you're. no one said you are. i'll see. no one said get away from here. i just want to get away from here. no, go away. you're fascist scum. you're not wanted. i just want to know your views, that's all. >> free palestine. >> free palestine. >> what does free palestine mean? fire. so ceasefire. mean? cease fire. so ceasefire. now now. okay. and what do you think of the gb news? >> outrageous that there outside the houses of parliament, one of the houses of parliament, one of the mothers of democracy and they're saying, go away, we don't want to talk to you. >> you're fascist outrage us. what are these? and these people are supporting in are supporting a ceasefire in gaza where hamas, who've got no respect for democracy or women's rights or and have got hostages and that's their view. >> and they think patrick christys a fascist. trust me, christys is a fascist. trust me, patrick, is not a fascist. patrick, chris is not a fascist. as said. then just as patrick said. then we just want hear your views. that's want to hear your views. that's what i find extraordinary. people to because people won't talk to us because they no, we're not

they say, oh, no, we're not going to talk to gb news. >> and he was right. right >> and he was right. was right to why are they to flag up to why are they covering their faces? >> are they hiding? >> what are they hiding? honestly, they the police do have powers people to have powers to get people to remove because. but remove those masks because. but they don't. >> let's just let you know what the said to police. the police said to police. >> metropolitan police said >> the metropolitan police said that not that the protesters had not broken any laws by their actions. they said that while police officers were on the scene quickly, there scene quickly, we regret there were not. they were not there quickly to prevent the quickly enough to prevent the protesters accessing the memorial. say there is no memorial. they say there is no law explicitly making it illegal to climb on a memorial so officers cannot automatically arrest , but they can intervene arrest, but they can intervene and make it clear that their behaviour is not acceptable. now, here's the thing . now, here's the thing. >> are we becoming an all right, look, i don't like more laws and when people complain that parliament sitting well, parliament is not sitting well, i say we don't want them sitting because pass more because they only pass more stupid which normally stupid laws which normally irritate get irritate everybody and they get them actually war them wrong. but actually a war memorial there to respect the memorial is there to respect the fallen it should be treated fallen and it should be treated with respect. >> but this is where you and i

disagree because i think it's we have to be really careful when we're asking for the solution to every to be more powers. every problem to be more powers. who's politician you hate who's the politician you hate most in the world, past or present? who you think of ? present? who could you think of? who terrifies you? blair right. imagine that. >> blair he brought in the supreme court by the way, which we didn't need before. >> imagine, blair is prime minister again. it is not beyond the realms of possibility. remember, he is prime remember, imagine he is prime minister and doing things minister and he is doing things that feel so strongly about that you feel so strongly about and enacting policies you and enacting policies that you hate that even you, hate so much that even you, andrew feel need to andrew pierce feel the need to go climb a memorial or statue. >> i wouldn't i wouldn't climb a on a wall. well, that's fine. >> too much respect. >> too much respect. >> but you do. right, fine. >> but you do. all right, fine. but you do need to have the right to out. if tony blair right to go out. if tony blair is prime minister, always call is prime minister, i always call him because that's him president because that's how he tony blair he acts, isn't it? if tony blair is minister you might need is prime minister you might need those that's all i'm those powers. and that's all i'm saying. you might be happy with more powers conservative more powers with a conservative conservative power, but conservative party in power, but i like a conservative i feel like a conservative government, though doesn't government, though it doesn't not way, shape

not not in any way, shape or form. biggest complaint form. my biggest complaint with those idiots that they those idiots is not that they were climbing on statues and memorials, won't memorials, it's that they won't not discuss what they feel so strongly about. >> they put their hand up, say, go away, we don't want you here. it's not up to them. >> it's incredible. it is a pubuc >> it's incredible. it is a public space. >> they're outside the houses of parliament they are parliament because what they are actually is suppressing actually doing is suppressing freethey censoring the debate >> they are censoring the debate . we don't like. . that's what we don't like. >> also because don't >> it's also because they don't really brain cell in really have a brain cell in their head, so they cannot justify, though. >> not illegal. >> not illegal. >> true . >> no, that's true. >> no, that's true. >> there's a lot of it. now, >> but there's a lot of it. now, the government is introducing, as you heard this from rishi emergency which as you heard this from rishi eme|saycy which as you heard this from rishi eme|say will which as you heard this from rishi eme|say will mean which as you heard this from rishi eme|say will mean rwanda h they say will mean rwanda is a safe country see off safe country and see off challenges from supreme court. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> it's very interesting this the supreme yesterday , the uk supreme court yesterday, you might watched it here, you might have watched it here, ruled flagship ruled that sunak's flagship policy to send asylum seekers to rwanda was unlawful. putting into question one of his five main as prime minister main pledges as prime minister to stop the boats. >> we are unanimously of the view that they were entitled to reach that conclusion . the

reach that conclusion. the changes needed to eliminate the risk of reformate may be delivered in the future , but delivered in the future, but they have not been shown to be in place now . so the home in place now. so the home secretary's appeal is therefore dismissed . dismissed. >> mr speaker, it's very straightforward. he promised. he promised it that he would stop the boats this year. yeah, this yeah the boats this year. yeah, this year. today is the 15th of november. he's wasted all of his time on a gimmick, and now he's absolutely nowhere will he level with the british public and finally admit he's failed to deliver on his promise. yes, he's been on the wrong side of this issue his entire career. >> this is a man who described all immigration law as racist. he said it was a mistake to control immigration and he has never once in this place voted for stricter asylum rules. it's clear , mr speaker, while he

clear, mr speaker, while he might want to listen to the open border activists, i'm siding with the british people . keir with the british people. keir starmer i do not agree with this decision , but i respect it and decision, but i respect it and accept it. the rule of law is fundamental to our democracy . i fundamental to our democracy. i will not allow a foreign court to block these flights. i said i was going to fundamentally change our country and i meant it so i'm also announcing today that we will take the extraordinary step of introducing emergency legislation . this will enable legislation. this will enable parliament to confirm that with our new treaty , rwanda is safe . our new treaty, rwanda is safe. >> that was the prime minister fighting back, fighting talk. but is it just that talk? let's go live to our political editor, chris hope, who's in westminster. chris morning, chris. yesterday before the prime minister spoke, the mood was mutinous, to say the least. sulphurous among conservative mps, a humiliating defeat in the supreme court crushed , seeing supreme court crushed, seeing all five judges chucking out the

rwanda plan . has he bought rwanda plan. has he bought himself some time? rishi sunak he has, andrew. >> he has. but words can only count for so much. i think people are getting very frustrated by endless politicians , endless prime politicians, endless prime ministers. we've had enough of those, haven't we recently telling us they're going to tackle and deal with across the south coast , tackle and deal with across the south coast, illegal arrivals of migrants and not doing it and not controlling it. these are only the illegal migrants arriving next week, getting the full the numbers who can arrive legally. the net migration figure set to be 100 thousands. again, that's a choice the government's made to allow that migration. only really it's migration. so only really it's tens of illegal tens of thousands of illegal arrivals as a kind of arrivals are seen as a kind of symptom of a lack of grip at the top of government this issue. top of government on this issue. we've from james cleverly we've heard from james cleverly the home secretary, the new home secretary, today, saying upgrade saying he's going to upgrade what's memorandum of what's called a memorandum of understanding with rwanda to a full and to ensure that full treaty and to ensure that if people are taken here for processing , they can't then be processing, they can't then be returned rwanda to the place returned by rwanda to the place they fleeing from because returned by rwanda to the place they would leeing from because returned by rwanda to the place theywould being from because

returned by rwanda to the place theywould be against because returned by rwanda to the place theywould be against the :ause returned by rwanda to the place theywould be against the oure that would be against the our own human rights and probably against the refugee convention. that's the clip you heard there from from the supreme court justices. so yes, he's bought some time with that language. i think the daily mail said his eyes were burning like bright coals on the front page today that him some that shows that gave him some that shows the space he's got for himself with firm words. but this with those firm words. but this can't carry on. he said the first flights will take off in the spring next year. was in the spring next year. i was in downing street yesterday for that i wasn't. that press conference. i wasn't. i a question. i wasn't i asked for a question. i wasn't given one. but my question was, would he would he bet gb news news viewers a pint of beer that anyone, off news viewers a pint of beer that any(taken off news viewers a pint of beer that any(taken to off news viewers a pint of beer that any(taken to rwanda off news viewers a pint of beer that any(taken to rwanda before off news viewers a pint of beer that any(taken to rwanda before the and taken to rwanda before the next election? i reckon he has said sure chris. said i'm not sure chris. >> chris, it's fighting talk and that's all very well. and i think you did perform well at the press conference, but all the press conference, but all the things they're now doing to effectively bypass the supreme court, they could have done it before they had 19 months to get this legislate done right and correct . when boris johnson correct. when boris johnson first brought it forward. what are on our third home

are we on our third home secretary can't secretary since then? can't remember fourth or remember. maybe our fourth or even didn't they do even fifth. why didn't they do this before ? which is what this before? which is what suella said in her suella braverman said in her coruscating letter . coruscating resignation letter. she'd warned him again and again and the things needed and again the things they needed to is only now doing . to do, which is only now doing. >> yeah, why wait for plan b? now is for the braverman's point. and she made that very clear. magical thinking. she said in that another withering dispatch on social media last night after the pm's press conference. but why wait till now ? it does show a degree of now? it does show a degree of almost hoping for the best on this policy rather than gripping it and taking control. this policy rather than gripping it and taking control . well, it and taking control. well, which he should do. i mean, he's had a lot on don't forget he's had a lot on don't forget he's had a lot on don't forget he's had a to war deal with in ukraine. the trouble in the middle east, that's been difficult. the difficult. he's also had the chaos in the markets created in part by liz truss's government and the collapse of the boris johnson government. so he now is the time to act. he can't carry on and it's a rod for his own back. he made for himself, didn't he? andrew and bev because he said that one of his

targets is stop the boats and in fact that podium says stop fact on that podium says stop the boats. come on, prime the boats. well, come on, prime minister, waiting for that minister, we're waiting for that to happen. >> may to happen. » a to happen. >> chris. he may have had a lot on plate, but the home on his plate, but the home office, the and the foreign secretary, the home secretary, they have getting they should have been getting down getting to the of down and getting to the root of the because i were the detail because bevin, i were pretty that the pretty convinced that the supreme were going to supreme court were going to chuck out. didn't that supreme court were going to cthive out. didn't that supreme court were going to cthive oth. didn't that supreme court were going to cthive of them idn't that supreme court were going to cthive of them were that supreme court were going to cthive of them were going hat supreme court were going to cthive of them were going tot all five of them were going to do lack of plan b is do that. the lack of plan b is a staggering failure of government. >> yeah, it is a failure. they have they say call it plan b have they do say call it plan b and they that it can be and they say that it can be through through the through the parliamentary process, the commons the within. commons and the lords within. i think or so sitting days think it's 40 or so sitting days that that pushes it back that mean that pushes it back into memory of mid january, into from memory of mid january, maybe early february when that can happen. very , very can happen. it's very, very tight. , he may even tight. of course, he may even have an election, by the way, in may next year. don't forget, although i think he's going longer, possibly late as longer, possibly as late as january 25, get of january 20, 25, to get all of what he wants to do done. but yeah, there's question where yeah, there's no question where is if you read is the planning, if you read articles today's telegraph, articles in today's telegraph, the there the the suggestions there that the

home actually against home office is actually against all these and indeed all these plans and indeed suella pushing suella braverman was pushing water uphill, as it were, trying to make this happen the home to make this happen in the home office. a degree of blob office. there's a degree of blob capture this whole policy and capture of this whole policy and civil servants almost ignoring the mandate given to this this government by by the 2019 general election. so he's got the will of the people behind him. i think to a large extent. rishi sunak but has he got has he got it in him the fight to make this happen? he appeared to have it yesterday in downing street at that press conference. we'll wait and see. >> had andrea jenkins in here >> we had andrea jenkins in here yesterday. as you know, yesterday. chris, as you know, mp who wrote the first letter of no to sir graham no confidence to sir graham brady the prime brady regarding the prime minister. many letters minister. how many more letters have now? have we had now? >> first we know about. >> it's the first we know about. bev this, this is the bev well, this, this is the question i was going ask you about. >> do we know of any more yet? yeah. at this point. >> well, of course you're totally mean, few mps totally right. i mean, few mps actually publish their letters of confidence in a leader of no confidence in a leader because it means they're immediately ostracised by all the mps who trying to the other mps who are trying to support leader. so think

support the leader. so i think we know andrew we don't know whether andrew jenkin the only know. jenkin is the only one we know. she hers in. she was told in she put hers in. she was told in the division lobby two nights ago, i think it was on tuesday night that six more are putting letters in. there's reports of plotting in a mayfair private club between more, more tories . club between more, more tories. the end game isn't very clear for me. i think there's no obvious candidate to replace this. rishi sunak as prime minister or tory leader boris johnson. of course, having left parliament, i think for me it's a shot across the bows by the tory, right? if they can get more than 50 or so tory mps signing letters of no confidence to graham brady, the 1922 committee chairman, then that might confidence might prompt a no confidence vote force sunak to face the vote and force sunak to face the challenge given to him by that mandate. one by boris johnson in 2019 to deliver on those people's priorities , as they people's priorities, as they would call it, because so far it's been quite operational. he's avoided doing that properly , not fully. for the tory. , not fully. not for the tory. right. | , not fully. not for the tory. right. i wonder it's a right. i wonder whether it's a shot the bows more than a

shot across the bows more than a leadership challenge they want to to? to get to? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> starmer must have his >> keir starmer must have his head his hands his head in his hands over his cornflakes chris cornflakes this morning. chris because we've said multiple times he just has to times that really he just has to keep everything and keep everything simple and uncomplicated up to uncomplicated in the run up to the election . and he the next election. and he has a really good just explain to really good shot just explain to people happened yesterday, people what happened yesterday, because a because it's a bit of a technical, political issue and these ten frontbench players who have ceasefire, is have called for a ceasefire, is it left rishi sunak and keir starmer the labour party ? starmer and the labour party? >> it comes down to the difference between two words bev and andrew ceasefire and a cessation of hostilities. now labour put down their own motion. this is all to do with, with the conflict in gaza and whether there should be a ceasefire. stop all fighting and allow humanitarian aid to get into to alleviate the appalling suffering for people, the palestinians in gaza . now the palestinians in gaza. now the governments, the uk government's policy is the same as america, which is supporting a pause in hostilities to allow to allow aid to get in. but not a ceasefire, because the view is that would cement hamas as gains

after the horrific terrorist attack in october on october the 7th. so the labour party is supporting the government in that idea of a pause , a that idea of a pause, a cessation of hostilities, but not a ceasefire to the left of the party. the pro—palestinian lobby within the labour party, they want a ceasefire and last night the snp put down a motion in parliament to the king, an amendment to the king's speech calling for ceasefire. mps calling for a ceasefire. mps who voted were voting calling for a ceasefire. mps who voted governmentvoting calling for a ceasefire. mps who voted government policy. as against government policy. as many labour frontbench many as ten labour frontbench members voted in favour of members voted voted in favour of a ceasefire and therefore they have now quit the frontbench . have now quit the frontbench. now how that looks for the keir starmer i think it kind of helps him. it helps support the position he's going to have with a wider public that he will not be the left of the be swayed by the left of the party. will what's right party. he will do what's right for country . made for the country. he's made clear, i understand it, clear, as i understand it, privately the prime minister, privately to the prime minister, when prime minister when he's made prime minister last year, sunak, that on last year, mr sunak, that on issues national on issues of national security, on big public foreign big areas of public or foreign policy he back the prime policy, he will back the prime minister i think that we didn't see with jeremy corbyn over

see that with jeremy corbyn over the poisonings. we're the salisbury poisonings. we're seeing keir seeing the opposite with keir starmer. he's the rest starmer. he's showing the rest of public. i will take the of the public. i will take the hard choices despite my party, to be strong for this country. me many of those who me and indeed many of those who quit the front bench are probably left wingers. we wanted to anyway bring his to move on anyway and bring his kind centrist group to kind of more centrist group to run the labour party. so i think although looked difficult for although it looked difficult for him, and him, it won't damage him. and of course talking about course all we're talking about right we're not right now is rwanda. we're not even talking about labour civil war. has. he's a lucky war. so it has. he's a lucky general. andrew and bev. >> all right. that's chris hope, our editor. well, our political editor. well, let's now to let's talk straight away now to steve the labour steve mccabe, who's the labour mp for selly oak, who who voted with last night. with his own side last night. steve you. 56 labour steve morning to you. 56 labour mps backing that ceasefire. that's a quarter of keir starmer's mps. what i think is quite significant, steve, when you look at some of those who've resigned from their front bench roles supported roles because they supported a ceasefire, now they have very large muslim populations in their constituency and they're clearly fearful that they're in danger of losing the muslim vote. hence their support for

the ceasefire isn't it doesn't it boil down to that a political calculation ? calculation? >> well, i think it's true that quite a lot of the people who've resigned, quite a lot of the people who voted are part of the more recent intake. so they probably have not had a very difficult issue to contend with yet . what happens in a situation yet. what happens in a situation like this is that you're email inboxis like this is that you're email inbox is flooded with people. you would think the entire constituency was demanding something that side. of course, it's usually quite an organised email campaign and i think it does spook people. so i think there is an element of truth in what you say and but it's also true that you know, some people genuinely want a ceasefire. we all want to see an end to the hostilities . it's just that, you hostilities. it's just that, you know, you have to be realistic about what that vote meant last night. and it wasn't going to

advance the situation one iota. >> interesting . one of the names >> interesting. one of the names that that leapt out at me, steve, looking at that list, shah up in bradford, she she will be painfully aware, of course, that back in 2012, a certain george galloway stood for a respect in a by—election in her bradford constituency. she wasn't the mp then and won a stunning victory and he was standing on a pledge to get british troops out of afghanistan is the spectre of george galloway and other independent muslim candidates haunting the labour party today ? haunting the labour party today? well as you say, nigel had a very tough by—election up in bradford. >> i think the difficulty, as i see, is that it's easy to misread the kind of pressure that mps are being subject to. i mean, if i was to treat seriously the things that i'm heanng seriously the things that i'm hearing myself , uh, seriously the things that i'm hearing myself, uh, in my seat where i actually have a relatively small muslim population , then, you know, i

population, then, you know, i would assume that i've got no chance of winning in the next election. i think the difficulty is that the people who purport to speak for the muslim population in these areas are very loud, they're very organised, but they're not very representative . representative. >> steve, let me ask you a little bit about what's been going on with the conservative party this week. what was your reaction to seeing david cameron being parachuted foreign being parachuted in as foreign secretary ? secretary? >> well, good for him. i think it may be an act of desperation on the part of the prime minister >> and it was what? >> and it was what? >> sorry, an act of desperation. >> sorry, an act of desperation. >> an act of desperation. >> an act of desperation. >> you think also, steve, it >> do you think also, steve, it will backfire politically because brett steers can't stand him because because of project fear and all the misinformation dunng fear and all the misinformation during the referendum campaign and a lot of remainers can't stand him because he called the referendum in the first place and then cleared off when he didn't the vote . didn't win the vote. >> well , you didn't win the vote. >> well, you put it very well. >> well, you put it very well. >> he is symbolic of the problem that the conservative party have

i >> right. so not not a big not a big plus then from you, steve? >> no, exactly. well, it depends how you look at it. i wouldn't see it as a disadvantage for laboun >> let me ask you this. so we were discussing yesterday when the supreme court ruling did not go in the favour of the conservative government . and conservative government. and that looks like a huge that is a huge blow for rishi sunak. that looks like a huge that is a huge blow for rishi sunak . would huge blow for rishi sunak. would you want the conservative party to try and find a new leader now, to have another contest, to find a new leader in the run up to the election, given how unpopular he is, would you want to see that or not? >> well, i mean, i think that's entirely up to them. i think i did see recently that a group has already met and started to organise writing in the letters to the 20 chair of the 22 committee. so there's obviously some people in the current conservative party are looking for a new leader. look, they're

going to run out of candidates soon. how many prime ministers can you have ? can you have? >> you speak with one tongue in your cheek? steve mckay but very good to talk to you. that's steve mccabe. he's the labour mp for selly oak. >> thank you so much. lots of news coming. >> thought say no. keep >> i thought you'd say no. keep him rubbish and him because he's rubbish and will you've got rishi sunak. >> i've talked to some tory mps yesterday. i know andrew jenkins. was with us jenkins. she was with us yesterday. she very put yesterday. she very bravely put her above i'm not going her head above the i'm not going to change it. they're not going her head above the i'm not going to change it. there's not going her head above the i'm not going to change it. there's a)t going her head above the i'm not going to change it. there's a lot oing to change it. there's a lot of talk about it because they just say that what the country say that what would the country make? cost of living make? we're in a cost of living crisis. still haven't crisis. they still haven't sorted and then tories sorted it. and then the tories have another leadership contest which three months. have another leadership contest whiit's three months. have another leadership contest whiit's just three months. have another leadership contest whi it's just very e months. have another leadership contest whi it's just very whoever;. >> it's just very, very whoever wins would not be ratified by the people. the british people. >> to have general >> they'd have to have a general election immediately. >> they'd have to have a general election ithey'd ately. >> they'd have to have a general election ithey'd have to. >> yeah, they'd have to. >> yeah, they'd have to. >> well, look, let's see what you've been saying at home. neil said. from police said. i retired from the police in i'm disappointed in 2009 to say i'm disappointed in 2009 to say i'm disappointed in old an in my old job is an understatement. i can understand them if they haven't got the personnel arrest, demonstrate personnel to arrest, demonstrate as related to as this is related to

palestinian demonstrators last night. legal night. but surely the legal start they start is actions. are they likely cause a breach the likely to cause a breach of the police? says, i was police? and tony says, i was a police? and tony says, i was a police officer for 32 years, climbing on a war memorial is a pubuc climbing on a war memorial is a public order offence. its conduct is likely to cause a breach of the police . breach of the police. >> they just stop >> why didn't they just stop them up there? don't them getting up there? i don't want them banged up and charged politically, but the next thing want them banged up and charged polit get .y, but the next thing want them banged up and charged polit get .y, butwith,1ext thing want them banged up and charged polit get .y, butwith, they'll�*ng want them banged up and charged polit get .y, butwith, they'll be they get away with, they'll be daubing over them. daubing paint all over them. remember red paint remember all the red paint painted on churchill statue? racist, deeply offensive . but racist, deeply offensive. but that statue of churchill less offensive, but a war memorial. it's deeply offensive. ben, i'm sorry. it is. we shouldn't do it. they shouldn't do it. there's no respect and they've got no ability to argue their case either. >> they shouldn't do it. >> they shouldn't do it. >> patrick chris, he tried >> when patrick chris, he tried to talk to them. what did they say? go away. yeah, were say? go away. yeah, they were justthey just didn't want to >> they just didn't want to discuss it. >> that's it's fascist who >> but that's it's fascist who don't want to have a discussion of views, not news. of their views, not gb news. >> right. to come this >> right. still to come this morning, rishi sunak that morning, rishi sunak says that he the uk's ties he could tear up the uk's ties to european human rights law to the european human rights law to the european human rights law to rwanda plan. we're to revive his rwanda plan. we're going ask legal

going to ask a legal commentator, joshua rosenberg, how what would how that would work. what would it the small boats? it mean for the small boats? this britain's newsroom on gb this is britain's newsroom on gb news,

channel very good morning . it's 10:00 channel very good morning . it's10:00 on very good morning. it's10:00 on thursday, the 16th of november. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with bev turner and andrew pierce. >> well, rishi is fighting back here at the supreme court, as you know, chucked out the

government's migrant plan, said it was unlawful to deport them to rwanda. but the prime minister says pushing minister says he's pushing ahead with anyway . with it anyway. >> the extraordinary >> we'll take the extraordinary step of introducing emergency legislation . i will not allow legislation. i will not allow a foreign court to block these flights . when i said i would flights. when i said i would stop the boats , i meant it . stop the boats, i meant it. >> a major labour rebellion. sir keir starmer's authority has taken a huge blow as eight frontbench frontbench frontbenchers quit over labour's position on a ceasefire in gaza . position on a ceasefire in gaza. >> and are we in lawless britain? last night pro—palestinian protesters were allowed to climb on the royal artillery memorial at hyde park corner. the met. police say they don't have the power to arrest people for doing it. i'm not sure that's right. and fact or fiction, the final series of the crown has been released. >> it shows the events leading up to princess diana's death in 1997. but it's received criticism for historical inaccuracies. what do you make of it .

of it. >> and of course, there's a big row again. so harry talks to his father on his birthday. it's nice progress. we think that's great. but the books come out by their chum and mouthpiece omid scobie, the feud scobie, talking about the feud between the two brothers. so they go one step forward, two steps harry, course steps back. and harry, of course , book. , cooperated with the book. >> does feel like it, >> yeah, it does feel like it, doesn't it? right. gb views cbnnews.com is the email address . first, though, is your . first, though, here is your very latest. news with a fierce sophia wenzler. >> good morning. it's 10:01. sophia wenzler. >> good morning. it's10:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. lord david cameron has visited for ukraine the first time as foreign secretary video of the surprise visit to kyiv was posted on social media with president vladimir zelenskyy saying he's grateful for the uk's support giving the world isn't focussed on the war in his

country. the talks address the need for weapons on the front line, strengthening air defence and protecting ukraine's infrastructure and people. i bought the strength and determination of the ukrainian people and what i want to say by being here is that we will continue to be the moral support, the diplomatic support, the economic support , but above the economic support, but above all, the military support that you need, not just this year and next year, but for however long it takes. the prime minister insists flights to rwanda will go ahead in the spring as planned. rishi sunak is looking to introduce emergency legislation after the supreme court ruled the government's asylum policy unlawful . the asylum policy unlawful. the prime minister says he's working on a new international treaty to ensure the east african nation is deemed safe . ensure the east african nation is deemed safe. human ensure the east african nation is deemed safe . human rights is deemed safe. human rights lawyer david haye said the government's policy is a gimmick. if people listen to what the supreme court said, they effectively said that it is possible for the rwanda policy to be to be lawful for and the

verandah to be a safe country. >> but our government didn't do their homework and didn't do their homework and didn't do their preparation. and what rishi is effectively saying amongst is we will amongst other things, is we will now away and and now go away and do that. and that is one of the issues that to me is one of the issues that to me is one of the issues that we need to be addressing. >> the shadow defence secretary says labour isn't party of says labour isn't a party of protest firmness and protest and both firmness and discipline are needed. john healey's comments come in the wake of a major rebellion over the party's position on the war in gaza . 56 of sir keir in gaza. 56 of sir keir starmer's mps rejected their leader's stance and voted for an immediate ceasefire between israel hamas . jess phillips israel and hamas. jess phillips afzal khan and yasmin qureshi are among eight shadow ministers who have left their jobs to back who have left theirjobs to back an snp motion . an snp motion. >> i totally understand why our backbenchers want to respond to calls from their constituencies about a ceasefire, but in the end we're not a protest party. we're doing and saying what we would do in government. that means we're backing israel's right to defend itself . if after right to defend itself. if after the huge hamas terror attack, but saying of course this is not

a blank cheque, as i hate losing people from the front bench , i people from the front bench, i know all of them, including jess phillips, wrestled that phillips, wrestled with that very all of very difficult decision. all of them have said they want to see keir starmer in downing street and work with us secure and will work with us to secure and will work with us to secure a labour government . a labour government. >> drivers will stage a >> train drivers will stage a fresh round of strikes to ratchet up the pressure in their long running dispute over pay. aslef union members will walk out between the second and 9th of december with different train companies affected on each day. drivers also refuse to work drivers will also refuse to work any overtime . little progress any overtime. little progress has been made in the row with union bosses rejecting a pay offer in spring. millions offer back in spring. millions offer back in spring. millions of women in england will soon be able to access free contraception on the high street without having to see a gp. from next month, women in england can get the pill by visiting their local pharmacy . it's get the pill by visiting their local pharmacy. it's part of get the pill by visiting their local pharmacy . it's part of new local pharmacy. it's part of new nhs plans to free up appointments and pressure appointments and ease pressure on doctor surgeries, pharmacies will need to sign up for the service and a large fin whale

has been found dead on a beach in cornwall. it was discovered in cornwall. it was discovered in newquay's fistral beach yesterday morning by a local water sports teacher. fin whales are the second largest mammal in the world after the blue whale. the beach has been cordoned off and authorities have urged the pubuc and authorities have urged the public avoid the area. abby public to avoid the area. abby crosby from cornwall wildlife trust told us that they're taking advantage of this opportunity . opportunity. >> party animals strowan around our coastline all year for a variety of reasons . so whenever variety of reasons. so whenever one does strand, although it's very sad, it's a real opportunity for us to go and examine the carcase and understand what is happening. you know, these animals are windows to the health of our seas. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to andrew and . bev now it's back to andrew and. bev >> good morning chennai six morning. we're talking about how sir keir starmer is now faced a

major rebellion over his stance on the israel—gaza war. >> eight labour shadow ministers have their front have gone from their front bench roles they for an roles because they voted for an immediate ceasefire. >> phillips , afzal khan and >> jess phillips, afzal khan and yasmin qureshi were among the shadow ministers left their shadow ministers who left their roles the motion from roles to back the motion from the snp. >> so how significant is it? let's talk now to the former editor of the independent, chris blackhurst. a very fine investigative journalist. chris, this more more than this was more more than i expected . 56 mps backed the expected. 56 mps backed the motion calling for an immediate ceasefire . that's more than ceasefire. that's more than a quarter of starmer's troops. it's bigger than you thought . it's bigger than you thought. >> yes, much bigger. and actually almost nearly nearly as big as the revolt against tony blair on the iraq war. i mean, it is a hugely significant rebellion . and what it what it rebellion. and what it what it gets to down really is, is the style of keir starmer . for many

style of keir starmer. for many labour mps, he's he's not labour enough. he's too cautious. he was desperate on this issue, not to be seen to be anti—semitic because of the baggage from jeremy corbyn. and now this has happened and it, it is very significant . significant. >> he . do you take the view, >> he. do you take the view, chris, that actually this will strengthen his position with the wider public because he's sticking to his guns? he's not u—turning he's in he's in lockstep with the government. the united states most major countries, most major governments around the world. >> erm i think that's a tricky question. i think , i think where question. i think, i think where labourin question. i think, i think where labour in many labour constituency is there are many , constituency is there are many, many muslims , many arabs, people many muslims, many arabs, people who feel very upset about what's going on. um it's no coincidence. you look at the people who resigned last night,

they're from those constituencies . um, there's a constituencies. um, there's a difference between keir starmer playing to the public and playing to the public and playing to the public and playing to labour's hearts and. and i think there is a bit here that says other labour leaders might have taken a different view. i'm not advocating for a second that jeremy corbyn view, but um, you know , he's, he's but um, you know, he's, he's taking a very cautious line and as it goes on it will be very difficult . i mean, if it ends difficult. i mean, if it ends soon. well he might, it might be all right. but this is a rebellion that could grow. >> and also, chris, there's absolutely no prospect of a ceasefire because hamas aren't looking for one. israel don't want to give one. so this war could be prolonged, which means the political difficulties for starmer will be prolonged . at starmer will be prolonged. at the time . the same time. >> that's right . and i think >> that's right. and i think where it will really kick in for keir starmer is if some countries around the world,

countries around the world, countries that we regard as as you know, among our peer group , you know, among our peer group, if they break ranks and really start calling for ceasefire , um, start calling for ceasefire, um, then he's got a big problem . um, then he's got a big problem. um, and well , i then he's got a big problem. um, and well, i don't then he's got a big problem. um, and well , i don't know how he and well, i don't know how he resolves it, to be honest. >> yeah. no, it's going to be incredibly difficult for him to find any sort of resolution for this. >> 71% of british muslims vote labourin >> 71% of british muslims vote labour in most polls. 9% vote conservative. and yet, as you say, chris, he's also got to demonstrate that the labour party is no longer anti—semitic as it used to be. arguably one might say under jeremy corbyn. and is there anybody in his party that he can recruit to help him navigate this ? who help him navigate this? who might be the good, the person that can bring two sides together . together. >> he you've got david cameron

on your on your mind. you have i don't know i mean , look, you don't know i mean, look, you know, i could say, tony blair. i mean, you know, we're into recruiting former leaders , bring recruiting former leaders, bring them back, you know, because the current lot can't do a decent job. um, i can't think who immediately who immediately spnngs immediately who immediately springs to mind. um um , we're springs to mind. um um, we're not tony blair. i don't know what gordon brown would say . um, what gordon brown would say. um, i don't know . but we what gordon brown would say. um, i don't know. but we are into former leader territory . it does former leader territory. it does seem to be the flavour of the week. >> jack straw maybe , uh, >> jack straw maybe, uh, possibly . possibly. >> jack straw. i mean, he was mp for blackburn for many years and he was very strong on this issue in the past . he was very strong on this issue in the past. but sadly he's not, not, you know , um, somebody like not, you know, um, somebody like frank field who was always regarded as a good cement to of left and right in the party. um, he would be good, um , possibly.

he would be good, um, possibly. gordon i mean gordon brown , no gordon i mean gordon brown, no one can fault his ideology in labour and he just talk a lot of sense within the labour movement . i'm struggling. yeah aren't we all? >> chris, i don't want you because the tories have brought back their former leader . back their former leader. >> yeah. doesn't mean labour have to as well, do you? >> let ask you just one quick >> let me ask you just one quick question, chris, because you've written this very interesting book united written this very interesting boo money. united written this very interesting boo money. sir united written this very interesting boo money. sirjim united written this very interesting boo money. sirjim ratcliffe, the money. sirjim ratcliffe, who's one of britain's richest men, lives in monaco. course, men, lives in monaco. of course, doesn't pay his taxes doesn't want to pay his taxes like us. is he just like the rest of us. is he just about his 25% share about now to get his 25% share of man united ? of man united? >> yeah, i think the fact that yesterday we saw the resignation of the chief executive , richard of the chief executive, richard arnold, that's paving the way for a new regime to come in and it is a sign that something is about to happen . it is a very about to happen. it is a very strange deal . i about to happen. it is a very strange deal. i mean, you about to happen. it is a very strange deal . i mean, you know , strange deal. i mean, you know, put it in context. he is only

buying he's buying only 25. you'd think he was buying the whole club. he's not 75% remains with the glazers , who, of with the glazers, who, of course, the fans hugely oppose . course, the fans hugely oppose. >> very interesting. >> very interesting. >> chris's book, of course, is manchester united the world's biggest cash machine. great to talk to you again, chris. that's chris blackburn. manchester united is not a football team. it's isn't it? it's an institution, isn't it? >> would disagree with >> my father would disagree with you, andrew. >> my father's been a man united fan my whole life. was he really born i bet he's born and bred? but i bet he's grumpy a saturday. grumpy on a saturday. >> if they lose, he should read that book because he'll agree with word with every word of it. >> oh, yeah. yes. >> oh, yeah. oh, yes. >> well done to loud because you might be watching. you will be watching claus, right? watching santa claus, right? pro—palestine protest chaos broke last broke out across london last night. our night. they scaled some of our war shut down war memorials that shut down major roads. gb news presenter patrick christys attended the death last night. death inspiration last night. >> saying israel is >> are you saying israel is a terrorist hamas as well? and terrorist and hamas as well? and hamas ? hamas? >> well, definitely. >> well, definitely. >> man would you be news? >> hello? man would you be news? you don't talk news. quick you don't talk to gb news. quick question . quick question. why question. quick question. why

are you here today? where are you from? i'm just going for gb news. okay. can i ask mask could i ask why? why you're covering your face. i just want to know why you're here today . why you're here today. >> go away. go away. >> go away. go away. >> you're not wanted. go away after you're not wanted. you're answering. no, wanted. get away from here. i just want to get away from here. no, go away. you're fascist scum. you're not wanted. >> i just want to know your views, that's all. >> free palestine. >> free palestine. >> does free palestine mean? >> ceasefire. >> ceasefire. >> so ceasefire. now okay. and what do you think of the . gb news? >> the metropolitan police gets get this can't do anything about it. they said with while officers were on the scene quickly regret that they weren't there quick enough to prevent there quick enough to prevent the protesters accessing them or there is no explicitly there is no law explicitly making it illegal climb a making it illegal to climb in a memorial. officers can't memorial. so officers can't automatically arrest. they automatically arrest. but they can it clear can intervene and make it clear the is acceptable. the behaviour is not acceptable. mark home mark white's with us. our home security editor. hogwash. security editor. that's hogwash. i yeah. i think it is, yeah.

>> mean, i've been on many >> i mean, i've been on many a march over the years and i've seen people climb onto bus shelters, up lampposts onto monuments and the like, and they've been pulled down from those structures and arrested, usually under a public order offence. and even if , you know, offence. and even if, you know, at the end of the day that isn't followed through to a prosecution , it still ruins prosecution, it still ruins their day. it stops them doing what they're doing. why wouldn't they be doing it then? >> i don't know. maybe they want people like andrew to people like andrew pierce to call more state power so the call for more state power so the police can come in more heavy handed, the so we handed, change the rules so we can't peacefully protest. >> i don't with that. >> i don't agree with that. i think it's because the former home secretary right. two home secretary is right. two tier policing. >> well, yeah. can't >> well, yeah. listen, i can't put my, self in the minds of put my, my self in the minds of these when these senior commanders when they there they do that. but there certainly seems to be something to that. >> tommy robinson and right >> tommy robinson and the right wing they'd have >> tommy robinson and the right wing them they'd have >> tommy robinson and the right wing them that1ey'd have >> tommy robinson and the right wing them that wari have pulled them off that war memorial could blink. yeah. >> i mean, i have seen the police be pretty robust when policing thing what we could

call counter—demonstrators who came in. remember, after black lives matter, they were , you lives matter, they were, you know, pretty hands off in allowing black lives matter to protest to get involved in violent scuffles and the like dunng violent scuffles and the like during those protests . but then during those protests. but then a week or two in when counter—protests started and they were pretty robust and going after them and also , if we going after them and also, if we just think about what happened after. sarah everard yeah, and the way in which those protests were had those women away, absolutely . absolutely. >> and it was a peaceful protest. it was outrageous. >> can we also ask you, mark, about events yesterday in the supreme court, what this means now rishi and the now for rishi sunak and the small boats? how can he overrule the ruling of yesterday? >> pass legislation >> well, he can pass legislation which the courts will have to be cognisant of when they go forward . but to suggest that forward. but to suggest that flights are going to take off by the spring, i think is pie in the spring, i think is pie in the sky because it's still going to have to be tested in the

courts. you can pass the legislation. judges will still have to sit and consider and all of those groups who have mounted such effective cases against the government thus far are going to continue to mount cases and appeal. if they lose. and it's going to go through. >> and our very own lee anderson of this parish, tory mp, said to rishi sunak, just ignore it. just ignore supreme court just ignore the supreme court and get on and do it. but the prime minister made it absolutely clear press absolutely clear in the press conference we respect conference yesterday, we respect the so it probably the rule of law, so it probably won't before the general won't happen before the general election . election. >> i think that's right, which now think could be in now i think could possibly be in the you know, different prime >> you know, a different prime minister it, minister might ignore it, but i don't it's rishi sunaks don't think it's in rishi sunaks character to do that. >> and i think most prime ministers in that office don't want to something would ministers in that office don't wa seen something would ministers in that office don't wa seen on something would ministers in that office don't wa seen on the ething would ministers in that office don't wa seen on the internationalwould be seen on the international stage as effectively , you know, stage as effectively, you know, flouting international norms, which we as a country , we were which we as a country, we were founders in, in actually establishing in the first place remind us how we used to manage

perfectly well without a supreme court, because this is a creation of tony blair. >> yeah , well, we had the house >> yeah, well, we had the house of lords that the law lords that would sit and they were the highest court in the land at that time. >> so yeah , we didn't need >> so yeah, we didn't need a supreme court, did we? well, we seem to manage quite well . seem to manage quite well. >> just finally. seem to manage quite well. >> just finally . so you don't >> just finally. so you don't think there's any chance the flights taking off? no, nor do i. >> not ..- >> not at .._ >> not at all. i i. >> not at all. i just i can't. >> when he says it will, is he lying or is he just doing that magical thinking? is it the magical thinking? is it the magical thinking? is it the magical thinking that suella braverman talks about where he thinks can style it out thinks he can just style it out like did in his hedge fund manager? >> i think he's got to be seen as, you know, from his point of view, being optimistic, in charge, determined. but yeah, i mean, it's wishful mean, i think it's wishful thinking the reality of thinking because the reality of the situation as faced by the government the last 19 government over the last 19 months since this policy was first announced by boris johnson , is that at every turn, it will be challenged in the courts and you can pass the law which might

then mean that the judges will rule in favour, but they rule in your favour, but they still to rule, they still still have to rule, they still have to consider and that will take time. >> yeah. okay brilliant. thank you, mark. know, were you, mark. you know, you were saying harry, it's saying harry, harry, it's two steps and steps steps forwards and six steps back. feels a bit like that back. it feels a bit like that with doesn't with sunak, doesn't it? >> the steps back . >> the nine steps back. >> the nine steps back. >> right. to come, the >> right. still to come, the supreme that supreme court said that the government's is government's random plan is unlawful , as government's random plan is unlawful, as we've just been discussing. rishi sunak discussing. but rishi sunak insists press this discussing. but rishi sunak in britain's press this discussing. but rishi sunak in britain's newsroom this discussing. but rishi sunak in britain's newsroom on this

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news. >> it's 1022 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce. >> i'm bev turner so rishi sunak has said that he will introduce emergency legislation to make sure that his rwanda plan is not blocked again. >> he's insisted flights will be heading in spring as heading off in the spring as planned . planned. >> the shadow secretary of state for , john healey, spoke for defence, john healey, spoke to gb news about the rishi to gb news about what the rishi sunak this is sunak press conference this is what he had to say. yes today from the supreme court made clear, is that it isn't clear, however, is that it isn't just a question of the european convention on human rights. >> it's . a web of international >> it's. a web of international law which binds us to international rules . and, you international rules. and, you know, at a time when it's more important than ever to be arguing for countries to observe bafic arguing for countries to observe basic human rights, abide by international law, it would be a very , very damaging step for very, very damaging step for britain to try and step away

from those long established obugafions. from those long established obligations . so joined by obligations. so joined by a legal commentator, joshua rozenberg, now to explain this to us in a little bit more detail. >> joshua, what happens now if rishi sunak wants to get those boats turned back or people sent to rwanda? >> the first challenge is to do this treaty with rwanda. now, you may say there was a deal last year that wasn't a formal treaty. it was informal treaty. it was an informal memorandum of understanding. it wasn't enforceable. this one will be a binding treaty. it will be a binding treaty. it will take some time , the will take some time, the government says not very long, but obviously it has to be worded. it has to be signed. it would then go before parliament. it to ratified it would have to be ratified once settled, the once that's settled, the government come government will apparently come forward legislation . and forward with legislation. and the that by enforcing the idea is that by enforcing this treaty in legislation and certain commitments , in certain commitments, in legislation, meant to legislation, that's meant to achieve what the government wants . wants. >> w- wants. >> the supreme court w the supreme court , >> and so the supreme court, they're not saying rwanda is not a safe place refugees to be a safe place for refugees to be housed. their concerned housed. what their concerned about odd that most about is this odd word that most have never heard of before, but

effectively sending back effectively sending them back to the where they've the country from where they've claimed . how this claimed asylum. how will this treaty and the emergency legislation that comes forward get around that ? get around that? >> the government says that rwanda will promise not to send them away from rwanda somewhere where they may end up, where they came from, which is the country that they have fled from and where they are in danger. so this is this concept of refoulement, which means sending you back to somewhere where you are in danger and the government says this treaty will be will guarantee this won't happen. the problem is, and this is what the supreme court identified in the judgement yesterday, k yan, the government of rwanda control what happens on the ground because there were examples of deals that rwanda has done in the past with israel about a decade ago which didn't work out, and the supreme court is not convinced that rwanda can actually achieve this. >> he also said , and we all >> he also said, and we all cheered it when he said, i am

not going to allow a foreign court to take to the british parliament. oh, fabulous prime, at last you've got your act together. but it's not just that, is it the european court, it's other treaties as well. that's supreme court that's what the supreme court justices yesterday . justices said yesterday. >> that's absolutely crucial. this is would be a breach of human rights to send somebody back to somewhere where they face danger. no doubt about that. it's a breach of the that. but it's a breach of the refugee convention other international agreements, the supreme court yesterday it supreme court said yesterday it may part of customary may even be part of customary law. so even if you were to pull out of all these agreements, you wouldn't necessarily avoid your obligation. government, obligation. the uk government, we're to send we're talking about not to send somebody back to danger. >> and if supreme court >> and if the supreme court comes again and says , oh, comes down again and says, oh, good try, prime minister, but we still don't accept it, we're rejecting can british rejecting it, can the british government say , thanks very government say, thanks very much, getting the much, they're getting on the next flight, not to the supreme court, because that would be a breach of the laws of the united kingdom. >> but you ask about what a foreign court and what the prime

minister seems to be talking about. are these temporary orders from the strasbourg judges? there was one last summer which blocked the flights . they're worried about one now. now, james cleverly, the home secretary says we've got this new understand standing with the european court, new wording for rule 39, published earlier this week by people at the court say it simply sets out current practice. it doesn't make any real difference, but nevertheless, the government is entitled to think that maybe the court is going to think twice before blocking ing a flight, knowing how the prime minister feels about that . feels about that. >> if but if this can be done now, if this treaty can be drawn up and passed by parliament, why didn't rishi sunak do that 12 months ago and save the taxpayer a fortune in legal fees? >> a very good question. they thought that if they did this informal agreement, it would be eafien informal agreement, it would be easier. now, one of the critics of the government writing in the spectator yesterday is a man

called alexander horne said the problem with an informal deal memorandum of understanding is it doesn't go before parliament. it doesn't any scrutiny in it doesn't get any scrutiny in parliament. this treaty will be scrutinised, particularly as a specific committee in the house of lords that scrutinises all treaties. it will be debated perhaps other words, it's perhaps in other words, it's much easier to get an informal agreement than it is a formal treaty and perhaps the government thought, well, we'll cut the corners and we'll just do it that way. >> is going to take months >> this is going to take months and months. joshua and months and months. joshua and i can't from and still i can't see from anything you've told today anything you've told us today how to see off the how they're going to see off the supreme court. well i think that's right. >> it has rishi sunak >> but it has got rishi sunak the headlines this morning . some the headlines this morning. some time himself some time . time bought himself some time. you know, otherwise the headunes you know, otherwise the headlines would defeat headlines would have been defeat for the government. now the headunes for the government. now the headlines define headlines are this is define sunak vows to change laws . top sunak vows to change laws. top court strikes down rwanda policy and that's the financial times. so in other words, you know, he's got time. he's got the prospect of winning. but you're right, it is going to take time. there will be further legal challenge. his it doesn't

necessarily mean they're going challenge. his it doesn't ne be sarily mean they're going challenge. his it doesn't ne be sarily nbefore iey're going challenge. his it doesn't ne be sarily nbefore the e going election. >> and i suppose politically, you're not here to talk about the politics of it, joshua, but political. it's the british government fighting the judiciary get its way judiciary to try and get its way on refugees. >> yes. mean it. fortunately, >> yes. i mean it. fortunately, if i may say so, they're not being too aggressive towards the uk supreme court. rishi sunak doesn't agree, but he respects the decision of court. the decision of the court. they're being little bit more they're being a little bit more aggressive to the strasbourg court we're take court saying we're going to take you still not you on, but they're still not seriously suggesting pulling out of human rights convention. of the human rights convention. >> we're never going to do that with the government. >> this so interesting, isn't >> this is so interesting, isn't it? because asylum seekers, it? because this asylum seekers, illegal immigration conversation, however you want to people , has to define those people, has changed in recent times from being about morality to being one about morality to being one about morality to being one about legality. it seems people rarely, rarely seems people very rarely, rarely hear politicians anymore talking about the morality of this issue in your experience and in your vast knowledge of the law , what vast knowledge of the law, what would you do? what what can we do that is within the law? can

we turn back the boats? that's one proposal we often hear, particularly from the reform party. i suppose this may be a cop out, but i might say i wouldn't have started from here. >> if there is only one country in the world which it appears is willing to take asylum seekers from the uk, and if there were others, presumably the government would have found one. and that has and if that country has a dubious record as a supreme court has said, maybe it's time to think this is not the policy. if this policy has not deterred the boat people over the past yean the boat people over the past year, which it has not apparently , then maybe you need apparently, then maybe you need to think of something else. >> do you have any ideas ? >> do you have any ideas? >> do you have any ideas? >> i mean, i think that keir starmer is talking about bringing in a limited number of people and having an agreement with france whereby will take some, but not everybody and france can enforce that sort of agreement. i don't know how practical that is, but this policy is running into difficulties. >> my heart sank when i heard somebody close to number 10 saying, we're going to find

another country. i just thought , another country. i just thought, no, please, can't . no, no, ho. 110. >> no. >> and they and they haven't, have they quite. no. i mean, maybe that's a political decision. maybe there isn't anywhere else. >> suella braverman. i'm told, was about the falkland was thinking about the falkland islands. to islands. what did they do to deserve they mrs. thatcher deserve it? they mrs. thatcher liberated them from dreaded liberated them from the dreaded galtieri last thing so is lundy island occupied ? island occupied? >> well, the ascension islands . >> well, the ascension islands. joking is one that is often brought up as somewhere that people could at least be processed. but what would the legalities of that be? >> joshua well, that's that i've been ascension on way to been to ascension on the way to the falkland islands many years ago, and ascension is , is has ago, so and ascension is, is has all sorts of security aspects. >> you know, it's a listening station , it's a bbc base, it's station, it's a bbc base, it's a military base. it's an air base may not be entirely suitable. and there's nothing there. and the uk doesn't control it. falklands again, i mean, british overseas territory is it? but you can't actually insist that it has a measure of self—government . and also it's self—government. and also it's very expensive to send people

there. yeah what a mess. >> it looks like it's still a complicated message. >> joshua always makes it seem. >> joshua always makes it seem. >> i think all there is on on lundy island are a few puffins and one pub right. >> i'm not suggesting, by the way, if you live the lundy way, if you live on the lundy island, saying, you know, island, just saying, you know, i don't want to to all of our don't want to go to all of our social media war on the lundy island. now back to the trenches. cameron has trenches. david cameron has started already. started country hopping already. he's official visit he's on his first official visit to ukraine as foreign secretary. doesn't long. doesn't take long. >> surprise. >> what a surprise. >> what a surprise. >> you to ukraine >> you went to ukraine straight, straight prince straight to voicemail. prince harry the king plan. another harry and the king plan. another phone for next week. that's phone call for next week. that's nice . in what's described nice. in what's been described as point in their as a turning point in their relationship. i guess charles can always mute it if he's if he's moaning on that and much of your morning much of, much more. i got to learn talk this i got to learn to talk this morning. need more coffee. morning. i need more coffee. here's sophia wenzler with your. news >> it's 1031. news >> it's1031. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. lord david cameron has visited ukraine for

the first time as foreign secretary he video of the surprise visit to kyiv was posted on social media with president vladimir zelenskyy, saying he's grateful for the uk's support , given the world uk's support, given the world isn't focussed on the war in his country. the talks address the need for weapons on the front line, strengthening air defence and protecting ukraine's infrastructure and people . the infrastructure and people. the prime minister insists flights to rwanda will go ahead in the spnng to rwanda will go ahead in the spring as planned. rishi sunak is looking to introduce emergency legislation after the supreme court ruled the government's asylum policy is unlawful . full. the prime unlawful. full. the prime minister says he's working on a new international treaty to ensure the east african nation is deemed safe . shadow defence is deemed safe. shadow defence secretary john healey says labour isn't a party of protest. his comments come in the wake of a major rebellion on the war in gaza 56 of sir keir starmer's mps rejected their leader's position, which called for a pause in fighting between israel . ten shadow ministers and parliamentary aides quit or were

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you're here today . you're here today. >> she's gone. go away. go away. >> she's gone. go away. go away. >> you're not wanted. go away after you're not wanted , you are after you're not wanted, you are answering. no one said, get away from here. i just want to get away from here. no, go away. you're fascist scum. you're not wanted. just know your wanted. i just want to know your views, that's all right. >> free palestine. what does free ceasefire. >> so ceasefire now. okay. and what do you think of the gb news? >> the irony is not lost on these morons that they're demonstrating outside houses of parliament. one of the oldest democracies, the cradle of democracy in the world. and they're saying we won't talk to you, we won't engage with you. they cretins. they are cretins. >> mean, i mean, when people >> i mean, i mean, when people shove around fascist shove the phrase around fascist scum, always makes me laugh scum, it always makes me laugh because him down because if you pinned him down and tell me what think and said, tell me what you think of fascist actually, yeah. and said, tell me what you think of fit cist actually, yeah. and said, tell me what you think of fit wouldn't lly, yeah. and said, tell me what you think of fit wouldn't have eah. and said, tell me what you think of fit wouldn't have a h. and said, tell me what you think of fit wouldn't have a clue. but >> it wouldn't have a clue. but i mean, this are the i mean, this these are the groups advocate free groups that advocate free speech. here they are saying speech. yet here they are saying the gb news viewers and gb news itself be listened but itself can't be listened to, but also they're incapable of articulating proper articulating a proper, a proper philosophy and why they're there.

>> but you know, the same mob was also was also down, you know, was the war memorial know, it was at the war memorial last night in hyde park climbing all that. all over that. >> told this would not >> we were told this would not happen. told us they would happen. cops told us they would mark, of police said mark, the chief of police said this not happen. and there this would not happen. and there they and cops were they were. and cops were standing idly by while they clambered standing idly by while they cla|unfortunately, who >> unfortunately, the girl who did talk to patrick, did go to talk to patrick, somebody put her hand over the camera, no doubt some some people crowd would have people in that crowd would have wanted have wanted the opportunity to have their thoughts a their thoughts heard on a national station, national news station, international station . but international news station. but that sense of we're not going to discuss we're just here with discuss it. we're just here with our it's depressing. our emotion. it's so depressing. in 2023. it is. i mean, i've always firmly believed if you if you have a very strong view on something, you should be able to argue something, you should be able to arg yeah. and if you can't argue >> yeah. and if you can't argue it, lost really. i think it, you've lost really. i think it's depressing. i mean, i it's very depressing. i mean, i did end kind of accidentally did end up kind of accidentally walking through the protest last night. you night. did they call you fascist? didn't. they fascist? no, they didn't. they didn't i had my passport didn't because i had my passport firmly yeah but yeah firmly hidden. so. yeah but yeah , i mean, it was a big protest

given that it was a kind of impromptu one late at night. but i think the stuff that's happened at the cenotaph this is the kind of thing that's suella braverman was talking about policing. yeah. and this is the thing that's made so many people so angry that they want to see police on these police acting on these occasions. get very angry occasions. they get very angry when just standing when they see them just standing back. that's part of the back. and that's part of the frustration at frustration that we've got at the moment. frustration that we've got at the now, ent. frustration that we've got at the now, you were in the press >> now, you were in the press conference last night, birds eye view phone. view of you on your phone. i think the prime minister think while the prime minister was talking, surely not? was talking, was he surely not? was boring? and it was a was he that boring? and it was a bravura performance, wasn't it? and really went for it. and and he really went for it. and he's fighting it's for the he's fighting back. it's for the birds. no boats getting birds. there's no boats getting go time soon. go any time soon. >> i think . look, i mean, >> i think. look, i mean, i would lay £50 on no fly ever taking off to rwanda. yeah. even taking off to rwanda. yeah. ever, ever . i know the prime ever, ever. i know the prime minister would heavily dispute that, but i think what we're just going to go round and round and round in this legal quagmire , even if you introduce an emergency legislation , i don't emergency legislation, i don't think that probably is enough to satisfy by all the courts the

supreme court, the european court in strasbourg , the un. court in strasbourg, the un. yeah. yeah exactly. and so actually, i think doesn't matter. the prime minister has good intentions, but you have to start delivering on this. he has got very limited time to deliver on it. people are very, very frustrated and he couldn't explain to me. asked him, can explain to me. i asked him, can you explain to me how you were going define the european going to define the european courts? said, i'm not going courts? he said, i'm not going to take any orders of a foreign court, but couldn't tell me court, but he couldn't tell me what a soundbite he nothing what a soundbite he said nothing about you think we're >> carol, do you think we're going back any of our going to get back any of our £140 million? we've already given rwanda? £140 million? we've already giv

the . the legislation. >> know, today a lot of >> you know, today a lot of experts you have to experts are saying you have to leave echr in its entirety. leave the echr in its entirety. you have to also abandon all the treaties as well. do treaties as well. but let's do that then cited yesterday and we know not going do that. know he's not going to do that. he a home secretary who he now has a home secretary who has that we should not has said that we should not leave eu the foreign leave the eu and the foreign secretary never agree, secretary will never agree, which ridiculous. but you which is ridiculous. but you know me is that know what gets me is that i think it's finished for him now. i what happened week i think what happened this week is of cabinet and is his joke of a cabinet and that a speech yesterday that joke of a speech yesterday completely everything completely confirms everything suella him. you suella has said about him. you know, my question is, okay, know, and my question is, okay, the judges have ruled on this, but should judges have the power to determine policy? and my answer to that is no, they weren't making a judgement on on something on something that happenedin something on something that happened in europe. a european law , not on british law. and law, not on british law. and a democracy, should have the right to determine who does and who doesn't come into its country. and we are being denied the right to do that. and sunak is shouting, oh, we're not going to let a foreign foreign court decide this, but we are as long

as we're in the echr. >> i think it doesn't even >> but i think it doesn't even matter echr because matter about the echr because how ever going get the how is he ever going to get the supreme on side? they have supreme court on side? they have made their mind up that rwanda cannot trusted to send cannot be trusted to send people back country from where back to the country from where they how ever they came. so how is he ever going to round that? well, going to get round that? well, that's it. going to get round that? well, tha and. court relied heavily >> and the court relied heavily on evidence the un high on evidence from the un high commission on refugees who have, by way, sent refugees to by the way, sent refugees to rwanda and have completely and said has an exemplary said clearly it has an exemplary record with refugees. >> yes. >> yes. >> but also it it has been against this policy in the uk from the start. so it's hard tonight to not look at this and think that there is something more political. i don't think the court is political, but i think the un's input there is political and to rely on that is something that upsets a lot of conservative mps and also experts in this area. so i think that's that's a problem. so actually, if you go through the court process again, what's to stop the un doing something similar again and the court relying on that again, back relying on that again, go back to one that rwanda isn't relying on that again, go back tcsafe one that rwanda isn't relying on that again, go back tcsafe country. hat rwanda isn't a safe country. >> you know, britain, britain

cannot held responsible for cannot be held responsible for the world's problems. we can't legislate on what we think might happen to someone if they get sent back to their own country. alastair heath did a really good piece telegraph today and piece in the telegraph today and he's talking about this refoulement principle. he he's talking about this refotit�*ment principle. he he's talking about this refotit onlyt principle. he he's talking about this refotit only madeiple. he he's talking about this refotit only made sense he he's talking about this refotit only made sense after|e said it only made sense after the second world war and it was supported by the and the supported by the right and the left all parties all over left of all parties all over europe because it was to protect refugees who in europe. europe because it was to protect refugsayingio in europe. europe because it was to protect refugsaying it in europe. europe because it was to protect refugsaying it doesn't europe. europe because it was to protect refugsaying it doesn't makez. he's saying it doesn't make sense now. it's fit for sense now. it's not fit for purpose anymore. it's just not. and think he's right. and yet and i think he's right. and yet we're basing our policy or our ability to get rid of these these migrants on something that was designed for refugees was only designed for refugees dunng was only designed for refugees during the second world war. >> but there is i say, what about these tory mps ? about these tory mps? >> because the mood was sulphurous yesterday, wasn't it? it have. bought it would have. he's bought himself time, but they himself a bit of time, but they know their hearts don't they? know in their hearts don't they? i it's not going to i think it's not going to happen. >> it's this on top of suella braverman the sacking and it's not so much really the individual. >> it's not so much actually about suella herself. it's about

the symbol, the reshuffle , the the symbol, the reshuffle, the removal of that big figure on the right in the cabinet. there is no longer a big figure of a similar kind of status to her from the right in the cabinet. so you put all that together and then you put it together with then you put it together with the rwanda judgement, which now is very unlikely, a flight will take off. and those on the take off. and those mps on the right, who represent red right, those who represent red wall, they incredibly frustrated. very frustrated. they feel very depressed. one told me that the reshuffle is essentially guaranteed that they would lose their but and they're very their seat, but and they're very they feel strongly enough to change kick him out . change him, to kick him out. >> no, they know it's a busted flush. they lost the red wall at a stroke in a sacking suella. and what it tells me is the people in government have no idea the people idea about the people they govern. have idea how govern. they have no idea how they think. >> do not think, perhaps, >> do you not think, perhaps, malone they'd has already decided. >> what was it we said the other day? already decided day? he'd already decided sunderland he's now sunderland is lost. he's now trying desperately given up trying to desperately given up on see is. ithink trying to desperately given up on see is. i think he >> see what it is. i think he knows it's over. i mean, i think he knows it's finished. you

know, if he had any. if he had any about him, he'd go any gumption about him, he'd go to now and get it to the country now and get it over because is just over with because this is just going be a torturous year and going to be a torturous year and things are going to get worse and up power. he and give up power. but he doesn't have guts and that doesn't have the guts and that that he care that tells me he doesn't care about this country. he cares about this country. he cares about happens him next. about what happens to him next. i agree. and really and i agree. and that really and i said before and he'll never he'll always houses in he'll always have six houses in six across the world. six countries across the world. >> at what point, carol, do >> but at what point, carol, do those who are sitting those mps who are sitting beneath him say agree with beneath him say they agree with us? say, a lot mps us? like you say, a lot of mps know that they've lost their seats. you just throw seats. do you just throw everything now and everything you can at it now and put else in the put somebody else in the position if you're position because if you're giving you're up? giving up, you're giving up? well, giving up. well, he is giving up. >> know, it's interesting. >> you know, it's interesting. all polls yesterday, radio all the polls yesterday, radio stations, tv stations doing polls people, proper polls with real people, proper people, the people matter in people, the people who matter in this country and all of them said a mistake to sack said it was a mistake to sack suella. was a huge mistake. suella. it was a huge mistake. and fact that rishi couldn't and the fact that rishi couldn't see that, the couldn't see that, the fact he couldn't see that, the fact he couldn't see what repercussions of see what the repercussions of what going to happen tells what was going to happen tells me shouldn't there. he's me he shouldn't be there. he's exactly i, i hoped wasn't exactly what i, i hoped wasn't the a manager the case. but he is a manager

and a leader. absolutely and not a leader. absolutely >> it's too late to >> but it's too it's too late to change him. and even the people who were frustrated with him because cannot change because you cannot change a leader an leader a year out from an election you've had a new election when you've had a new leader. last year to give up now, no, because you can't have everything. >> can't fourth prime >> you can't have a fourth prime minister. it would be without an immediate have immediate yeah, you'd have to throw at it. immediate yeah, you'd have to thr(just, at it. immediate yeah, you'd have to thr(just, you at it. immediate yeah, you'd have to thr(just, you know, it. immediate yeah, you'd have to thr(just, you know, put your head >> just, you know, put your head above parapet and actually above the parapet and actually do represent do something and represent the people there. and people who put you there. and there's also no, but there's no figure to step into that role. >> suella would have been >> now, suella would have been great. >> t- t would have voted >> the public would have voted for won't. >> the mps won't. >> the mps won't. >> whose biggest qualification? >> whose biggest qualification? >> won't. >> the mps won't. >> the mps won't. >> well, then they're going to leave suits, leave their leave their suits, leave their lose their and they will lose their seats and they will only themselves. only have themselves. >> make of david >> what do you make of david cameron back? cameron coming back? >> already. >> he's in ukraine already. >> he's in ukraine already. >> know what? >> you know what? >> you know what? >> heard that on >> it's when i heard that on tuesday, i thought i thought it was joke. you know, this is was a joke. you know, this is the guy who, when the brexit vote didn't it vote happened, he didn't see it coming for a start. and as soon as it came, scarpered and ran as it came, he scarpered and ran away from his responsibilities immediately. 2021, immediately. and then in 2021, it revealed we discovered

it was revealed we discovered that taken million that he'd taken £7.5 million from company that he'd taken £7.5 million fro lobby company that he'd taken £7.5 million frolobby his company that he'd taken £7.5 million frolobby his political company that he'd taken £7.5 million fro lobby his political contactsany to lobby his political contacts and make money, including rishi sunak including sunak. sunak and including rishi sunak. and today been told to and today he's been told to declare interests in declare all his interests in china. know , the bombs are china. you know, the bombs are going dropping with him going to keep dropping with him over the next few months. and this is a guy who cannot do his job properly. he go the job properly. he can't go to the commons. can't the commons. he can't talk in the commons. he can't be held accountable in this. so what on earth is point of him if earth is the point of him if this safe of hands? it this is a safe pair of hands? it shows you this is desperate action, not innovation. >> i i'd a bet, sam, >> i wish i'd taken a bet, sam, on where he going to go. on where he was going to go. first, he'd go to first, i knew he'd go to ukraine. that unwavering support for ukraine a prerequisite of for ukraine is a prerequisite of being of the liberal being part of the liberal intellectual elite. we should have he'd up there. have known he'd end up there. >> think it's more, you >> well, i think it's more, you know, needle to be honest. >> but yeah, you know, boris , >> but yeah, you know, boris, obviously his legacy is ukraine. >> in the first trip, they messed up a piece deal in ukraine, didn't he? >> boris when he went out there, weren't they quite close to reaching sort of reaching some sort of resolution? i think that might just be terrible gossip, but i don't think any good when

don't think he did any good when bofis don't think he did any good when boris there, did he? boris went there, did he? >> they love him out there. you know, didn't stop bombs? no, know, didn't stop the bombs? no, i'm i'm not sure that i'm not sure. i'm not sure that was within his power to do that, if i'm honest, he wouldn't be doing on foreign policy. >> look at the basket case. he created libya, which because created in libya, which because we troops in there with we sent troops in there with france part of the big france and part of the big migration across the migration problem across the whole northern africa is whole of northern africa now is because now basket. whole of northern africa now is becand now basket. whole of northern africa now is becand this now basket. whole of northern africa now is becand this is now basket. whole of northern africa now is becand this is the )w basket. whole of northern africa now is becand this is the thingiasket. whole of northern africa now is becand this is the thing is ket. >> and this is the thing is libya, the syria he lost the vote in syria. did bomb syria and voted against and the commons voted against it. he has a litany of it. and he has a litany of failure is from his time in government. but thing is, government. but the thing is, people keep saying the grown ups are the grown ups are are back, the grown ups are back. what means back. what that means is somebody sounds somebody who looks right. sounds like. of like. right. yes. kind of doesn't scare horses? doesn't it scare the horses? yes. but actually, that covers an enormous amount failure on an enormous amount of failure on foreign policy on domestic foreign policy and on domestic policy. of course, he's achieve >> and of course, he's achieve nothing because he's the nothing because he's in the lords he'll achieve and cleverly who's achieved anything who's never achieved anything in his all. his political career at all. >> the qualification he >> and the only qualification he has is that he doesn't want rishi's that's he's rishi's job. that's why he's there he's complying . there and he's complying. >> sure about that >> yeah, i'm not sure about that . i'm not about that .

. i'm not sure about that. >> he's got no chance. >> he's got no chance. >> shall we do quickly, let's talk about harry and king charles. it's nice, carol, that they a chat on his birthday. charles. it's nice, carol, that theyou a chat on his birthday. charles. it's nice, carol, that theyou know1at on his birthday. charles. it's nice, carol, that theyou know what his birthday. charles. it's nice, carol, that theyou know what did birthday. charles. it's nice, carol, that theyou know what did it?'thday. do you know what did it? >> scobie is the person >> omid scobie is the person who's putting all this out and about. don't believe about. and i don't believe a single word he says because he's meghan harry's lackey. meghan and harry's lackey. but you talking about you know, they're talking about this this start this being the this is the start of new relationship. well no, of a new relationship. well no, it he rang up dad to it isn't. he rang up his dad to say happy birthday. he's still bleating about the fact he wasn't invited birthday wasn't invited to the birthday party tuesday, which was party on tuesday, which was a clarence on clarence house. now, why on earth did he think he would be? but scobie today is also saying that that that even though he's talking to his dad and there might be a way back there, i think he's already talking to his dad, you know, because i think his marriage is on the rocks and he's realising he's got evidence for that carol. got no evidence for that carol. no, no, there is no evidence. but i mean, we just know they're very rarely seen together now. they together they don't do much together anymore. that's and anymore. but anyway, that's and my he's just my feeling is that he's just thinking what ella's thinking he's seen what ella's like. he doesn't want to be

there. thinking, oh, there. so he's thinking, oh, i might a few little inroads might make a few little inroads back we don't want him back into we don't want him back. check if going back. well check if he's going to go back. scobie's new books coming soon. and that's coming out soon. and that's about relationship about how the relationship between wilson between harry and wilson is completely and forever broken. well the book with well so i mean, the book with omid scobie harry has cooperated with book. with this book. >> how ever rebuild >> how can he ever rebuild his relationship another relationship with another book detailing the detailing warts and all, all the problems in royal family, problems in the royal family, the game? the end game? >> yeah, think that is really >> yeah, i think that is really difficult, really hope difficult, but i really hope that they do because think that they do because i think genuinely think families genuinely we i think families should rebuild relationships. >> it's never too late. i mean, i would hope that it's quite difficult about difficult if you've made about £20 back of £20 million on the back of slagging off your family. >> i know i do get in a book in a chat with oprah winfrey, winfrey well, how is it? 20 winfrey well, how many is it? 20 million. he's made slagging off his family. >> a dysfunctional family, isn't it? probably, you it? and i think probably, you know when to book an know, when you've got to book an appointment speak to your dad appointment to speak to your dad on the phone, it's a different world. >> you english, isn't it, >> you know english, isn't it, that i hate you? i've thrown you under the bus, but i'll ring you on birthday. under the bus, but i'll ring you on yeah,irthday. under the bus, but i'll ring you on yeah, yeah.y. under the bus, but i'll ring you on yeah, yeah. if only speak

>> yeah, yeah. if you only speak to yeah four days of the to him. yeah four days of the yeah to him. yeah four days of the year. and course, he leaked it. >> that he's speaking to his father, too. >> so i know there's not many redeeming features, but just redeeming features, but i just think, would be think, you know, it would be good they kind of reconciled. good if they kind of reconciled. >> william, to the >> and william, according to the book, regards brother the book, regards his brother is the defector. yeah. defector. well well, yeah. >> mean, he is he is >> well, i mean, he is he is a defector. but more importantly, he's a nasty he's a nasty defector. where think defector. and where do we think that came that came from that came from? that came from too. harry, didn't come too. harry, that didn't come from yeah. scobie from wills. yeah. nothing scobie says from the royal says has come from the royal family you know, it's all family so, you know, it's all come meghan for meghan. and come from meghan for meghan. and it's well, for it's just going to well, for meghan. and so nothing meghan. meghan and so nothing that matters. don't that he says matters. i don't think just i love think anymore. but i just i love her optimism. it's just like ridiculous. a happy ending. >> a happy ending? yeah well, what we do, isn't it, with the royal family, little royal family, there are little dogs, cows, the sweet fairy tale. >> we take them out and we play with and we protect with them, and we protect storylines them. with them, and we protect st0|andes them. with them, and we protect st0|and i'd them. with them, and we protect st0|and i'd like them. with them, and we protect st0|and i'd like aem. with them, and we protect st0|and i'd like a happy end. >> and i'd like a happy end. >> and i'd like a happy end. >> be a good ending for the next series the crown, wouldn't it? >> well, hello again, alex burkill your latest gb burkill here with your latest gb news weather forecast ahead of a dner news weather forecast ahead of a drier day for many of us

tomorrow we have quite a bit of rain today, the heaviest rain around today, the heaviest of which in association with of which is in association with an area low pressure is an area of low pressure which is tracking to tracking its way eastwards to just of the uk. but it just the south of the uk. but it does and so the does clear away. and so the heaviest, persistent rain heaviest, most persistent rain will also clear away from the south—east go through south—east as we go through the afternoon. cloudy south—east as we go through the afterno following cloudy south—east as we go through the afterno following in loudy south—east as we go through the afterno following in behind some picture following in behind some lingering mist and fog across far northern parts, but also the best sunshine for best of any sunshine likely for northern scotland. then northern scotland. and then a heavy rain pushing in heavy band of rain pushing in across parts northern across parts of northern ireland, some ireland, too. could be some thunder this. thunder mixed in with this. temperatures a little bit on the low side, about getting low side, just about getting into towards the into double figures towards the south go through south as we go through this evening and overnight, are evening and overnight, we are going then that band of going to see then that band of rain pushing eastwards rain pushing its way eastwards across many parts of england and wales be wales and also scotland could be a heavy for some of a little bit heavy for some of us ahead of it. some low temperatures likely and a bit of mist likely mist and fog quite likely towards the north—east of scotland it, clearer scotland and behind it, clearer skies to skies allowing temperatures to take of a dip. so it could take a bit of a dip. so it could be a touch around first be a touch of frost around first thing morning, but also thing friday morning, but also some patches of or freezing some patches of fog or freezing fog. friday itself, though, looks dry day. looks like a largely dry day. plenty sunshine offer. any

plenty of sunshine on offer. any rain will quickly away rain will quickly clear away towards and apart towards the east and then apart from showers, most likely from a few showers, most likely towards areas which will towards western areas which will ease the day, it is ease through the day, it is looking with a good ease through the day, it is looki of with a good ease through the day, it is looki of sunshine with a good ease through the day, it is looki of sunshine arounda good ease through the day, it is looki of sunshine around before deal of sunshine around before some wet and windy weather arrives pushing way arrives later pushing its way into weekend. temperatures into the weekend. temperatures for much higher than for many are much higher than today. by by. >> well, still to come , will he >> well, still to come, will he try to appease the tory right rishi sunak the nuclear rishi sunak taking the nuclear opfion rishi sunak taking the nuclear option leaving the european option and leaving the european convention rights. hope convention on human rights. hope so, but i doubt it with britain's newsroom on

gb news way. it's 11 am. on thursday, the 16th of november. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> rishi is fighting back. the supreme court said that the government's migrant plan was unlawful, rishi sunak is unlawful, but rishi sunak is ploughing vows to find ploughing on and vows to find a way around the ruling . way around the ruling. >> a major labour rebellion, sir keir starmer's authority has taken a bit of a blow. a quarter of labour mps rebelled and called for a ceasefire in the commons last night. >> and is it tasteless ? tv the >> and is it tasteless? tv the new season of the crown has been recreated and it's recreated princess diana and dodi fayyad's final moments before their fatal car crash in paris in 1997. do you think that this tragedy should be dramatised .

should be dramatised. and if you watched any of the crown? >> i have and i've given up on the crown, to be honest, because i got bored, fed up with the historical analysis. i mean, it's a drama. so they can take liberties with facts, of course. but i just found it too irritating. but i've got to say, the actress playing diana is un canny. >> yeah, she's brilliant watching princess diana. >> interesting >> so that's an interesting debate of course, has debate because of course, it has taken historical liberties. taken huge historical liberties. doesit taken huge historical liberties. does it matter? >> yeah, let us know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email address. first though, here is your latest news email address. first though, here sophia. latest news email address. first though, here sophia. wenzler st news email address. first though, here sophia. wenzler .t news with sophia. wenzler. >> good morning. it's 11:00. with sophia. wenzler. >> good morning. it's11:00. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. lord david cameron has visited ukraine for the first time as foreign secretary see video of the surprise visit to kyiv was posted on social media with president vladimir zelenskyy saying he's grateful for the uk's support given the world isn't focussed on the war in his

country . the talks addressed the country. the talks addressed the need for weapons on the front line, strengthening air defence and protecting ukraine's infrastructure and people . infrastructure and people. >> i bought the strength and determination of the ukrainian people and what i want to say by being here is that we will continue to give you the moral support, the diplomatic support, the economic support , but above the economic support, but above all, the military support that you need, not just this year and next year, but for however long it takes. >> the prime minister insists flights to rwanda will go ahead in spring as planned. rishi in the spring as planned. rishi sunakis in the spring as planned. rishi sunak is looking to introduce emergency legislation after the supreme court ruled the government's asylum policy is unlawful. the prime minister says he's working on a new international treaty to ensure the east african nation is deemed safe . human rights lawyer deemed safe. human rights lawyer david haye says the government's policy is a gimmick. >> if people listen to what the supreme court said, they effectively said that it is possible for the rwanda policy to be to be lawful and for the

verandah to be a safe country. but our government didn't do their homework and didn't do their homework and didn't do their preparation. and what rishi is effectively saying amongst we will amongst other things, is we will now that. and now go away and do that. and that is one of the issues that to me is one of the issues that to me is one of the issues that we need to be addressing. >> the shadow defence secretary says isn't a party of says labour isn't a party of protest both firmness and protest and both firmness and discipline needed. john discipline are needed. john healey's comments come in the wake of a major rebellion over the party's position on the war in gaza. 56 of sir keir starmer's mps rejected their leader's stance and voted for an immediate ceasefire between israel and hamas. jess phillips, afzal khan and yasmin qureshi are among eight shadow ministers who have left their jobs to back who have left theirjobs to back an snp motion . an snp motion. >> i totally understand why our backbenchers want to respond to calls from their constituencies about a ceasefire, but in the end we're not a protest party. we're doing and saying what we would do in government. that means we're backing israel's right to defend itself . after right to defend itself. after the huge hamas terror attack. but saying of course this is not

a blank cheque. i hate losing people from the front bench. i know all of them, including jess phillips. rest old with that very difficult decision. all of them have said they want to see keir starmer downing street keir starmer in downing street and with to us secure and will work with to us secure and will work with to us secure a labour government . a labour government. >> police could be handed new powers to protect war memorials after pro—palestinian protesters were accused of desecrating a monument at a group of people climbed on the royal artillery memorial in london. following a march outside parliament last night, home secretary james cleverly told broadcasters the behaviour was abusing and deeply offensive and he will examine whether the law should be changed. the met police says while it's unacceptable that no laws were broken , israel's laws were broken, israel's president says a strong force may need to stay in gaza despite president biden's comments that occupation would be a big mistake. it is after israeli forces raided gaza's al—shifa hospital saying they found weapons of terror infrastructure belonging to hamas. the terror

group denies the claim. the us president, joe biden, says he made it clear to israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu that a two state solution to israel—palestine conflict is the only answer . israel—palestine conflict is the only answer. train israel—palestine conflict is the only answer . train drivers will only answer. train drivers will stage a fresh round of strikes to ratchet up the pressure in their long running dispute over pay - their long running dispute over pay . aslef union members will pay. aslef union members will walk out between the second and 9th of december, with different train companies affected on each day. drivers will also refuse to work any overtime . little work any overtime. little progress has been made in the row , with union bosses rejecting row, with union bosses rejecting a offer back in spring. a pay offer back in spring. millions of women in england will soon be able to access free contraception action on the high street without having to see a gp from next month. women in england can get the pill by visiting their local pharmacy . visiting their local pharmacy. it's part of new nhs plans to free up appointments and ease pressure on doctor surgeries, pharmacies will need to sign up to the service as the carcase of a fin whale which was found

washed up on a beach in cornwall, is being removed and destroyed as investigations into its death continue. it was discovered on newquay's fistral beach yesterday. the public has been urged to avoid the area. abby crosby from cornwall wildlife trust told us that they're taking advantage of this opportunity. animals stranded around our coastline all year for a variety of reasons . for a variety of reasons. >> so whenever one does strand, although it's very sad, it's a real opportunity for us to go and examine the carcase and understand what is happening . understand what is happening. these animals are windows to the health of our seas. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to andrew and . bev now it's back to andrew and. bev >> very good morning. it's 1106. >> very good morning. it's1106. you're in position, right? let's see what you've been saying at home. robert has said if sunak had any intention of stopping

immigration or putting britain first, he wouldn't have sacked suella braverman. in suella braverman. this is in relation course, all the relation of course, to all the events week. it's been events this week. it's been a heck of week. yeah, we're heck of a week. yeah, we're exhausted, aren't and exhausted, aren't we today? and she finished because she has not finished because she's she's had a say in that she's or she's had a say in that extra ordinary resignation that i've like that before. >> but she, she'll make a major speech at point. she'll do speech at some point. she'll do a interview, maybe in one speech at some point. she'll do a the interview, maybe in one speech at some point. she'll do a the sundayiew, maybe in one speech at some point. she'll do a the sunday papers. (be in one speech at some point. she'll do a the sunday papers. yes.n one speech at some point. she'll do a the sunday papers. yes. and; of the sunday papers. yes. and she is on the warpath because i think she pretty much saw what happenedin think she pretty much saw what happened in the supreme court yesterday. she warned him, the prime minister did. >> that he sacked >> the fact that he sacked her. so got write the letter . so she got to write the letter. so she got to write the letter. so when the result came in, it looked his fault. he looked like his fault. he couldn't worse. couldn't have timed it worse. we're talking these we're talking also about these protests last night in westminster. these are going to go and on on until that go on and on and on until that middle war is sorted middle eastern war is sorted out. good out. and ken has said good morning, great show. thank morning, both. great show. thank you, ken. i love you to bits, bev. but you're on bev. like wise, but you're on the wrong on this one. as a former soldier, our war memorials automatically become a family reflecting our family memorial reflecting our comrades present, who comrades past and present, who fallen in the line of duty . and fallen in the line of duty. and i that . i'm not saying

i get that. i'm not saying i don't understand how utterly disrespectful , stupid and disrespectful, stupid and immoral it is to stand on those on those monuments, those young people who don't haven't got a clue about our history and barbara says, i'm deeply offended these moronic offended by these moronic protesters over the protesters climbing over the royal artillery memorial. >> father served in that >> my father served in that regiment for over 30 years and lost in various lost friends in various conflicts the world. and conflicts around the world. and this memorial those this isn't a memorial for those who now in his 90s. who served. he's now in his 90s. i wonder now if his service was worth it, if it can be so disrespected by people who can't even articulate their arguments disrespected by people who can't even rational, te their arguments disrespected by people who can't even rational, te their way. nents in a rational, logical way. yeah, brilliantly put it absolutely beautifully put , barbara. >> but the other thing i would say is in a in a free democracy, we free speech, we have to we with free speech, we have to have the right to be offended. and even if it's by stupid young people who don't know anything, standing on monuments shouting at patrick christie, go away, your fascist scum , its fascist your fascist scum, its fascist scum who don't allow freedom of speech, fascist scum who ban democratic discourse and they

were saying this outside the houses of parliament. >> the irony not lost on these morons. >> how do you know what is interesting? i mentioned it the other day though, was talking about free speech and censorship. my children's school and friends of their schools. i've asked loads kids who've i've asked loads of kids who've been house in the last been in the house in the last couple weeks. you been couple of weeks. have you been discussing middle east and discussing the middle east and conflict school and one conflict at school and not one school near it and that school has gone near it and that just how in emotional and just shows how in emotional and how incendiary issue is. just shows how in emotional and howi ncendiary issue is. just shows how in emotional and howi stilldiary issue is. just shows how in emotional and howi still think issue is. just shows how in emotional and howi still think it's issue is. just shows how in emotional and howi still think it's sade is. just shows how in emotional and howi still think it's sad that but i still think it's sad that people aren't discussing it and then we're not educating kids that there can be two sides and they should. >> in the run up to >> but also in the run up to remembrance weekend, do they talk about the poppy in schools? >> enough? yeah, they did >> not enough? yeah, they did some diwali. some lots of stuff on diwali. they do awful lot on they didn't do an awful lot on the they didn't do an the poppies. they didn't do an awful the memorial. and awful lot on the memorial. and in fact, there was a bit of a survey it? showed how few survey wasn't it? showed how few young the young people know what the memorial weekend and remembrance young people know what the memori was eekend and remembrance young people know what the memori was actually|nd remembrance young people know what the memori was actually about.1embrance young people know what the memori was actually about.1enitrance sunday was actually about. so it starts schools. let's starts at schools. let's encourage conversation. >> yeah. the government says >> yeah. now the government says it's to introduce it's going to introduce emergency legislation. we heard this as this before, to deem rwanda as a safe and end the legal

challenges. >> deputy of the >> deputy chair of the conservative lee conservative party, lee anderson, was on patrick's show last let's have listen last night. let's have a listen to said. to what he said. >> we are unanimously of a view that they entitled to reach that they were entitled to reach that they were entitled to reach that conclusion . the change is that conclusion. the change is needed to eliminate the risk of reformer . it may be delivered in reformer. it may be delivered in the future, but they have not been shown to be in place now , been shown to be in place now, the home secretary's appeal is therefore dismissed . therefore dismissed. >> mr speaker, it's very straightforward. he promised he promised that he would stop the boats this year , this year. boats this year, this year. >> now, the key night amongst you will have noticed that that was not lee anderson. that was lord peel. i think, yesterday. lord peel. i think, yesterday. lord reid, lord reed, lord reid. >> and that starmer, >> and that was keir starmer, the labour making the labour leader, making another useless intervention in the commons. were hoping the commons. but we were hoping to to lee anderson, to listen to lee anderson, but we haven't got him, so we're going to paraphrase shall i paraphrase going to paraphrase shall i par because i watched it. chris >> because i watched it. chris lee anderson basically said we should be turning people back on the that arrive. they

the day that they arrive. they should sent straight to the day that they arrive. they shoulcthey;ent straight to the day that they arrive. they shoulcthey came raight to the day that they arrive. they shoulcthey came from. to where they came from. >> he also said ignore the supreme and put them supreme court and just put them on planes now. but we know on the planes now. but we know that's not going to happen. let's go to our political edhon let's go to our political editor, chris hope, who's in whitehall, for the whitehall, westminster, for the latest. chris andrew and bev yes , indeed. >> we heard that. we know what lee anderson thinks. get the get the get the planes take off as soon as they can. i got with me now a former attorney general known to many as from the known to many of you as from the brexit wars, as i described them, sir geoffrey cox, i bring him on his view on what him in now on his view on what happened yesterday. sir geoffrey cox do cox were the judges right, do you think to reject this plan you think, to reject this plan for rwanda ? for rwanda? >> well, the judges rejected it on the basis of evidence that it said that the first court, the first instance court, had not properly evidence properly considered evidence that to the grounds for that related to the grounds for believing that there might possibly be the return of refugees or asylum seekers to countries of their origin, which would obviously be unsafe. >> if so, the concern would be about people sent here from the

uk to rwanda, where they'd be sent off to that country. so so you weren't surprised by the ruling at all? >> well, on the face of the evidence, no. mean, the judges evidence, no. i mean, the judges were clear there was were very clear that there was sufficient evidence give sufficient evidence to give grounds to believe that grounds for them to believe that there of what is there would be a risk of what is called refoulement . and think called refoulement. and i think on the that judgement on the evidence that judgement can't be faulted. what matters now is those concerns be now is can those concerns be addressed? think they possibly addressed? i think they possibly can.the addressed? i think they possibly can. the prime minister has set out what sounds like a out what i think sounds like a perfectly coherent plan. a lot will depend and on the detail both of the treaty and the bill he proposes. but it's a perfect, coherent way forward. and i'm delighted the prime minister has now decided to grip this very important issue. and you think his idea can work to upgrade a memorandum of understanding with rwanda a full blown treaty rwanda to a full blown treaty and pass it through the building behind you, parliament in, say, 40 or so days and then maybe the first take off as late first flights take off as late as may. >> said last night in number 10. >> well, it's difficult for me to anticipate or predict a timetable. what i'm saying is

that the program that he's set out out a treaty and the out out of a treaty and the content of that treaty will be important . it content of that treaty will be important. it must content of that treaty will be important . it must clearly have important. it must clearly have further safeguards. the fact it's a treaty itself will answer one objection that the supreme court had, which is that it was an unenforceable memorandum of understanding . but there must be understanding. but there must be more in that treaty to address the facts . but once those facts the facts. but once those facts have been changed, once there are additional safeguards, i think it's perfectly legitimate for parliament to be the institution that decides that it's the supreme law making authority in this country . and i authority in this country. and i think the prime minister is right to say that it should decide. now, you're quite right. if, chris, of course, chris, whether the house of lords seeks to impede its progress, whether it object acts and whether it bogsit it object acts and whether it bogs it down is another matter. but i think the prime minister is setting out probably the only plan available to him . plan available to him. >> i mean, the peers might object to the fact that the five courts have ruled unanimously against the plan. the

government's response is to change law and force them to change the law and force them to accept and peers behind accept it and peers behind you in building object to that. >> well, that isn't, of course, all that's being proposed. and i would that that would agree if that was all that was being proposed, it would be quite wrong, i think, to quite wrong, i think, just to declare black white say declare black as white and say that the facts , we can that on the same facts, we can say this country is safe. say that this country is safe. but that is not what i understand. and the government's plan to be. see, the plan is to address some of these concerns, both in the treaty and outside it. there are plenty of ways of doing it. imaginative ways were found in the withdrawal agreement after brexit by setting up a commission that looks after and protects the rights of eu citizens here. well, if we can find imaginative solutions inside a treaty that changes the facts , yes, i can't changes the facts, yes, i can't see a real substantial objection to the prime minister's proposals, but a lot will depend on the detail. >> but of course your mp, you're a leading lawyer, a leading barrister, also an mp for many years standing in the west country. how important is it

that mr sunak gets this through and these flights and gets these flights taken off before election? look before the next election? look there's confidence there's a crisis of confidence in the entire system , and we in the entire system, and we can't simply turn away from it. >> the government is addressing the problem in multiple ways. it's reduced by 20,000. those coming across the channel, it's reduced the backlog by 40, 50,000. and it's making real progress. but we have to see is this nettle and there is a political crisis of confidence that needs to be addressed and it can only be addressed. i think , by the prime minister put think, by the prime minister put this to parliament both in the form of a treaty and in the form of a bill saying that this must now happen and the courts, faced with primary legislation would respect it . respect it. >> as a lawyer, as a former attorney general, though, why now? why is plan b emerging now? why do all this? a year ago, as maybe suella braverman and boris johnson have been saying for while? >> well, i think it was perfectly reasonable , al, to see

perfectly reasonable, al, to see whether or not the existing arrangements that had been reached with rwanda would suffice . yes, but i agree with suffice. yes, but i agree with the implication of your question. i am troubled that the court identified side serious weaknesses in the approach of the home office a year or so ago to the preparation portion of its case. for example , all the its case. for example, all the country policy information notes were regarded as inadequate by the supreme court. that's the guidance that exists in connection with rwanda. it hadnt connection with rwanda. it hadn't looked sufficiently at the practicalities of the asylum system there. it hadn't looked at the previous experience with israel. so i agree that there were shortcomings there, which i'm surprised at. but there's no reason why we shouldn't address them now. the treat he may very well be able to tackle many of those concerns and change the balance of the equation in. i hopeit balance of the equation in. i hope it will. we have to remember, chris, that the lord

chief justice decided in his view that this was acceptable and lawful. we can't be far away when distinguished judges reach different conclusions . and i different conclusions. and i think the time has now come . think the time has now come. prime has plainly decided that to grasp this nettle and as he got at it in him, the daily mail today says his eyes are burning with with cold with fury about this. >> you know the guy who's your leader, how can he get this over the line ? the line? >> i think he's slow to anger. but we saw at certain points in the leadership election that when the fire started, he's capable of sparking into energy and life . he's a very competent and life. he's a very competent i think, very reasonable, very moderate man. but i think he has the bit between his teeth and i say good luck to him. and i shall certainly support him. it will depend on the detail of the treaty. it will depend on the bill. but i think it's a recipe that could work. and one final

question to you, sir jeffrey, in one word, will flights take off for rwanda before the next election? you're asking me to bet . i think election? you're asking me to bet. i think there's a good chance that's not one word. that's 4 or 5. but i think there's a good chance if we seize this nettle grip it, and move forward swiftly . move forward swiftly. >> well, geoffrey cox, thank you for joining us today on gb news. forjoining us today on gb news. and as we heard there, seizing the nettle is what sir geoffrey cox thinks mr sunak must try and do. he thinks he can see some fire in belly . let's wait fire in his belly. let's wait and see. over to you. back to you, and bev. you, andrew and bev. >> interesting , chris, >> really interesting, chris, chris, that. geoffrey chris, thanks for that. geoffrey cox figure, cox is a very formidable figure, a brain the size of a planet. i don't know when he quite fits in being an mp because i think he's average earnings as a barrister on the side of being an mp around £900,000 a year. very nice to a very clever man . nice to a very clever man. >> good for him. yeah, i like him a lot now, second time lucky. >> here is the clip of gb news presenter lee anderson reacting to the rwanda ruling. we need to make sure that the laws and rishi said we're going to change

the more legislation to the law more legislation to make it watertight. >> here's the thing. here's >> but here's the thing. here's the the people the thing, patrick. the people in ashfield, in this in ashfield, the people in this country up to the back country are fed up to the back teeth of these illegal migration. it's coming up in this taking the make, this country taking the make, the stopping in hotels. they're costing us an absolute fortune and i've always said i've been consistent from day one. we should send back the same should send them back the same day. did that, they'd stop coming. >> so you are doubling down on your comments ignore your comments earlier, ignore the get the facts. the law, get the facts. >> i've never changed my mind on this from day one. they this from from day one. they should sent back the same day i >> -- >> well, -_ >> well, i'm 5mm >> well, i'm i completely agree with him. and it's just a pity we didn't. and then the european court could have gone got their proverbials a so what? proverbials in a twist. so what? >> come this >> right. still to come this morning, the final season of netflix royal the crown netflix royal drama, the crown opensin netflix royal drama, the crown opens in 1997. it's on the cusp of one of the most analysed penodsin of one of the most analysed periods in recent history. but is it fact or fiction? we're going to be discussing that with

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and people that i knew had dewbs & co weeknights from . & co weeknights from. six 1122 with britain's news on gb news with britain's news on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> so the first half of the final season of the crown is being launched this week. let's have a look at what is in store. >> i don't really understand how iended >> i don't really understand how i ended up . here dashing around . i ended up. here dashing around. and losing sight of myself in

the process . no, i think that's the process. no, i think that's been the story of my whole life . been the story of my whole life. >> that makes me haunting, isn't it? goosebumps is how realistic the voice and the body and body language is. >> well, join us in the studio as our royal correspondent cameron walker, and the former royal correspondent, the sun, charles rea. charles, want to talk you talk to you first. charles, you knew you talked to knew diana well. you talked to her. you saw her. the likeness of elizabeth debicki, the actress playing her is uncanny . actress playing her is uncanny. >> it is uncanny. and she's the best one of the lot to have played diana. so, so far, there's no question about the fact that she's a very, very elegant has has managed to get the mannerisms. >> and charles, you covered you covered it when the princess was killed in that crash , the love killed in that crash, the love story or whether it wasn't a love story, is it legitimate for it to be a part a big part of the netflix program ?

the netflix program? >> um, i'm hesitating because there have been other films, other dramas which which have shown people have died . shown people have died. >> so i suppose that it's shown is the is the problem . is the is the problem. >> um, cameron walker, you've seen some of this . seen some of this. >> how delicately do they manage this really tricky storyline of the death of princess diana ? the death of princess diana? >> i think it's as sensitive as it possibly could be when you are when you are portraying dramatic early, the death of somebody in a car crash. so just i don't know, it's a bit of a spoiler alert, but they do not show diana's death are dead and they do not show the crash itself or even the aftermath of a mangled up car. if you've seen that news footage from the time what they do show is the outside of the tunnel , all the car of the tunnel, all the car speeding into the tunnel, and then the sound of the crash. but there is no gory details. it is sensitive , done as i think they

sensitive, done as i think they possibly could do . possibly could do. >> charles, i was going to ask you, there's going to be the usual fuss. and one of the reasons i stopped the reasons i stopped watching the crown, charles, i just got fed up the fact that so many up with the fact that so many things didn't happen the way it's but course, i it's portrayed. but of course, i have to myself and remind have to pinch myself and remind myself not myself it's a drama. it's not meant an historical meant to be an historical account, you're absolutely account, but you're absolutely right, andrew, and i'm i'm furious because i've seen the first part and there is a part where she comes out to a boat, a boat that was on. >> and i'm annoyed that i haven't been portrayed by robert redford or brad pitt . redford or brad pitt. >> be serious. >> be serious. >> they have distorted that that that event out of all context. i mean, she comes across like some brazier model and says, hello, boys , this didn't happen . um, boys, this didn't happen. um, and there was a very serious discussion because when she came to see us, she was very angry , to see us, she was very angry, not at us, but she'd had a phone call minutes before hand and she

was furious. that phone call . was furious. that phone call. and that's the place where she said at the end, you will be surprised with the very next thing i do. >> uh, but the rest of it is, is my view is rubbish . my view is rubbish. >> the problem with the crown is it takes real life issues and then distorts them with tasteless distortions and errors. and they masquerade it as quality drama . as quality drama. >> cameron you would think that this particular issue, these last few staged of diana's life could would be one of the most fun , factually accurate parts of fun, factually accurate parts of the crown because of course, this involves the death of two people. it involves a driver behind the wheel who had drunk too much henri paul. and so this should be this should have more veracity maybe than other episode that might be dealing with stuff that is just just speculation . this has been speculation. this has been pretty well documented. yeah >> and i think it's certainly going to be the most uncomfortable series so far for the royal family. but we do have to remember that. okay, the crown is an amazing drama, but

it is very much fiction based on fact. and we do not know what was said behind closed doors. we know from the inquest into the deaths of princess diana and dodi al—fayed that the reason for the crash was the fact that the car was driving erratically. they were being chased by paparazzi. the driver was drunk. they weren't wearing seatbelt . they weren't wearing seatbelt. yes, all that. how much are yes, all of that. how much are they going to go into in in the crown? we don't know. and i think there perhaps is also a danger that maybe danger that that viewers maybe not in the uk who have not so much in the uk who have obviously with the obviously grown up with the royal family, but the international audience are going to said in the crown to take what's said in the crown as facts. and then that's going to their opinions of to distort their opinions of actual of the royal actual members of the royal family who are still very much alive family who are still very much alivcharles, a very >> charles, that's a very important isn't it, that important point, isn't it, that cameron making of cameron walker's making a lot of people, particularly the american audience, for the crown, that's what crown, will think that's what really yes really happened. yes >> yes, that's that's true. but let's not forget, there's quite a few people in this country who look at the crown and think it

is an historical drama and is and as we used to say, andrew, fred , in fact, the whole the fred, in fact, the whole the whole thing is actually everything that happened and it didn't . didn't. >> cameron, let me ask you, because andrew and i were laughing in the production meeting this morning about the fact that you weren't even born. cameron or maybe were just cameron or maybe you were just not when princess not long born when princess diana lost her life. but diana sadly lost her life. but when that was the front page story of every every paper in the world, actually, at that particular point , how particular point, how interesting is it to you, this element of the royal family, doesit element of the royal family, does it still stand out for you as a royal correspondent, as one of the most significant moments in the history? >> absolutely. i was nine months old when diana died, so it made me feel old. i don't remember me feel so old. i don't remember her. reports, nine months, her. the reports, nine months, her. the reports, nine months, her death. yes, am young, but her death. yes, i am young, but i think diana's legacy is still very much there because, of course, prince william does all this work with homelessness. his first patronage was centrepoint, which his mother, diana, took him to. and inspired him to help

more vulnerable people in society. prince harry, as well, has at length talked about the impact that his mother had on him. and i think perhaps we can see parts of diana from in in her two sons. so i think she's still very much part of the conversation . and i think when conversation. and i think when william becomes king as well, there's no way he's going to let his mother's legacy die. yeah, charles, you covering that story? >> it was i mean, i was involved in the story. i was working for the times back then. there were some people who thought the monarchy would not survive the death of diana those horrific death of diana in those horrific circumstances. here we are, circumstances. but here we are, 25 odd years later , and it's 25 odd years later, and it's still going strong . still going strong. >> well, first of all, bev, thanks for making me feel very, very old. >> oh, all of us. all of us. >> charles, i much appreciate it. but you're absolutely right. you know, when diana died , there you know, when diana died, there was a great feeling that by a great many people that it was it was curtains for the monarchy

really , that it was the end. and really, that it was the end. and you're absolutely right. here we are, 26 later. we have a new king. we have a new queen. the monarchy will survive as it has survived everything else that it's happened. and they always say andrew and bev time is a great healer. >> yeah. yeah. i'm surprised , >> yeah. yeah. i'm surprised, actually, cameron, that this is the last series is in a way. but i guess how how modern can they go ? because of course, the next go? because of course, the next generation is william and harry and frankly, their life is stranger than drama anyway . most times. >> yeah, i think it's getting way too close to home now. so we know that the series is going to end with the wedding of the then camilla parker—bowles and prince charles, now, of course, king and queen. so it's going end and queen. so it's going to end on a note , perhaps the on a happy note, perhaps the pubuc on a happy note, perhaps the public indeed queen public and indeed queen elizabeth accepting camilla elizabeth ii, accepting camilla as the loving wife of the future king. so it is going to end happily. but of course, you've had all this turmoil from the early 90s and, of course, diana's death as well. >> all right. that was charles rea, royal editor, and

rea, former royal editor, and our very own royal correspondent, cameron walker. our very own royal cor|and,ndent, cameron walker. our very own royal cor|and, ofznt, cameron walker. our very own royal cor|and, of course,1eron walker. our very own royal cor|and, of course, you'da/alker. our very own royal cor|and, of course, you'd have r. our very own royal cor|and, of course, you'd have to >> and, of course, you'd have to just think, what would diana have fact not only have made of the fact not only is camilla who she called the is it camilla who she called the enemy her former husband, is it camilla who she called the enem now her former husband, is it camilla who she called the enem now queen former husband, is it camilla who she called the enem now queen camilla. usband, she's now queen camilla. >> still to come in 97. >> right. still to come in 97. >> right. still to come in 97. >> no, no, not at all. right. still to come, missing packages is one out of three consumers experienced a delivery problem with parcel firms in just the last month. >> and perks of the job is it fair for a primary school teacher to be changing nappies? >> outrageous . that and much >> outrageous. that and much more after your morning's news with sophia wenzler. >> it's 1131. with sophia wenzler. >> it's1131. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. lord david cameron has visited for ukraine the first time as foreign secretary he video of the surprise visit to kyiv was posted on social media the with president vladimir zelenskyy saying he's grateful for the uk's support given the world isn't focussed on the war in his country. the talks addressed the

need for weapons on the front line, strengthening air defence and protecting ukraine's infrastructure and people . while infrastructure and people. while the prime minister insists flights to rwanda will go ahead in the spring as planned , rishi in the spring as planned, rishi sunakis in the spring as planned, rishi sunak is looking to introduce this emergency legislation after the supreme court ruled the government's asylum policy is unlawful . the prime minister unlawful. the prime minister says he's working on a new international treaty to ensure the east african nation is deemed safe if shadow defence secretary john healey says labour isn't a party of protest . labour isn't a party of protest. his comments come in the wake of a major rebellion on the war in gaza. a major rebellion on the war in gaza . 56 of sir keir starmer mps gaza. 56 of sir keir starmer mps rejected their leader's position, which called for a pause in fighting between israel and hamas. ten shadow ministers and hamas. ten shadow ministers and parliamentary aides quit or were sacked, so they could vote for an snp motion demanding an immediate ceasefire . the carcase immediate ceasefire. the carcase of a fin whale, which was found washed up on a beach in cornwall, is being removed and destroyed as investigations into

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that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from . weeknights from. six 1137 with britain's news and when gb news with andrew pearson bev turner so sir keir starmer has faced a major rebellion over his stance on the israel gaza war, with eight labour shadow ministers

quitting their vote for quitting their roles to vote for an immediate ceasefire. >> they include jess phillips, asif qureshi , who asif khan, yasmin qureshi, who they've left their roles. they're going to the backbenches because the motion because they backed the motion from the scottish national party. >> so former labour minister for europe, macshane, us europe, denis macshane, joins us now. dennis, lovely to europe, denis macshane, joins us nowyou. lnis, lovely to europe, denis macshane, joins us nowyou. this lovely to europe, denis macshane, joins us nowyou. this is lovely to europe, denis macshane, joins us nowyou. this is this lovely to europe, denis macshane, joins us nowyou. this is this howly to europe, denis macshane, joins us nowyou. this is this how much see you. this is this how much of a nightmare is this for the labour party? >> it's frankly >> it's not, frankly a nightmare. it's a serious problem. and there's a lot of bad whipping involved there. i can have one second technical time. yeah the snp tabled a motion. anybody can table a motion. anybody can table a motion in the week after the queen's speech. their motion contained the word ceasefire , no contained the word ceasefire, no reference to the hamas slaughter of the jewish people that labour then i think as we did during iraq and other times under tony blair, you just leave it alone. the snp bit boy scout. they're well—meaning . the current leader well—meaning. the current leader of this has got family i think, in gaza. so he's very emotional about it. but emotions aren't really helpful in geopolitics . really helpful in geopolitics. but let the snp have their

moment in court. but what it happened was they were tabled its own rather worse motion talking about longer humanitarian pauses. exactly the government policy is exactly what andrew mitchell was saying yesterday. what macron was saying the other day longer pauses to evacuate women and children , and the tories piled children, and the tories piled in. although it was sunak's policy to defeat labour, to give labour a profit. but what they really wanted was to ensure then that the snp motion was called with a magic word ceasefire in it. what the difference between a ceasefire and a cessation? i don't know . don't know. >> but it is a difference triggered . triggered. >> yeah. there's 56 mps didn't back him more for against blair. very early on in blair with lone parents benefit bit i mean beverly was only at school then you'll remember it i do and it was very embarrassing. it does happen and what we the big change is you can see that in campuses. you can see that in america. you can see that all over europe, all over the democratic world. we now have

very major muslim communities who are british citizens, french , german and american citizens , , german and american citizens, educated professionals . the kind educated professionals. the kind of people i saw in the march who just went close to where i lived on on a saturday. there were a couple of hotheads and ugly people there. them were people there. most of them were just decent just ordinary, decent people horrified and horrified at the images. and i personally think as a supporter of israel, it's doing itself serious damage by going in and killing so many people and people are horrified and muslim communities are understandably are horrified. and i think a lot of mps are frightened , nervous of mps are frightened, nervous about the muslims, because to some extent , both pointed out some extent, both pointed out earlier, 71% of the muslim population in this country vote laboun >> and a lot of the mps who rebelled last night. those on the front bench have large muslim communities. i'm thinking about jess phillips, for instance , large muslim instance, a large muslim population in erdington that's true in brum. >> slightly disappointed >> i was slightly disappointed with she's also a very with that. but she's also a very emotional person. she'll be back

. let's be very . don't look, let's be very clear. of the people, their clear. none of the people, their junior ministers, i don't mean to patronise in any way. nobody in cabinet resigned in the shadow cabinet resigned because they understand the bigger britain not bigger stakes of britain not breaking every joe breaking faith with every joe biden to start with, every european leader canada, australia, the democratic world. but it's about, i think, a real warning shot to keir starmer that when labour wins , even with that when labour wins, even with a decent majority , he's got to a decent majority, he's got to think about parliamentary management. and sadly that is 100% something that comes with experience. the tories have got 250 years. yeah, managing parliament, we haven't. last quick question . quick question. >> do you think having the rwanda ruling overturned by the supreme court was the final nail in the coffin for the conservatives at the next general election? >> no, it's one of many, many nails. i mean, luckily i'm voting up suella braverman and saying , look, you're just not saying, look, you're just not being extreme enough. get out there. you know, you are the gift that keeps giving for

laboun >> oh, dennis, dennis, richard , >> oh, dennis, dennis, richard, we love you. >> always good to talk to you. now let's see what you've been saying at right . saying at home right. >> pam email to say, great >> pam is email to say, great show. thank at our show. thank you, pam. at our primary school, we always have an of remembrance with one an act of remembrance with one minute silence friday minute silence on the friday before remembrance sunday the children large window children decorate a large window with lest with poppies. and lest we forget, they the forget, they know the significance that significance of the poppy that they wear. school is not they wear. our school is not in they wear. our school is not in the minority teaching here the minority teaching this here in the north of england. well done, pam. and this was because we about these we were discussing about these palestinian last night we were discussing about these pa downing last night we were discussing about these pa downing street last night we were discussing about these pa downing street and st night we were discussing about these pa downing street and saying: in downing street and saying actually few know actually how few people know what actually standing what they're actually standing up mary says, i watched gb news >> mary says, i watched gb news great channel, fantastic presenters, particularly great channel, fantastic prestwo zrs, particularly great channel, fantastic prestwozrs, at particularly great channel, fantastic prestwozrs, at p'moment. gb the two on at the moment. gb news not fascist. i've fed up news is not fascist. i've fed up with looking at these people being allowed to disrupt people's lives with a protest. why them why don't the police move them to or some other part to hyde park or some other part of demo? do i with you 100. >> and robert has said i totally agree with lee anderson's remarks about the economic migrants. spending £8 migrants. why are we spending £8 million housing them in million a day housing them in hotels? up of hotels? people are fed up of illegal economic migrants being welcomed control welcomed in by border control

officers. we shouldn't just stop the turn them the boats. we should turn them round return them to france. round and return them to france. >> absolutely right. our panel back. >> well, oh, no. look at this. train drivers . train drivers. >> believe this? >> can you believe this? >> can you believe this? >> they're staging one day strikes nine ban on strikes and a nine day ban on overtime in the run up to the festive period. bah humbug. >> that's right. and why festive period. bah humbug. >> 'are:'s right. and why festive period. bah humbug. >> 'are talking. and why festive period. bah humbug. >> 'are talking. a|us why festive period. bah humbug. >> 'are talking. a|us aboutwhy you are talking to us about marvellous sam lister, carole malone are here us. more malone are here with us. more disruption, malone are here with us. more disrlbrilliant, isn't it? it's just brilliant, isn't it? it's so easy to get around this country at the moment. you just walk out, you get in your car, you everywhere. you can drive everywhere. you can you get on can park your car, you get on the train. you it's going the train. you know it's going to leave. the train. you know it's going to [and . the train. you know it's going to [and there none of that. >> and there none of that. they're only earning about 60,000 a year. >> train drivers, these >> these train drivers, these union are calling union bosses who are calling these strikes, they all pretend they're for the workers. >> they're not. because >> no, they're not. because the people hurting are >> no, they're not. because the peoworkers. hurting are >> no, they're not. because the peoworkers. and, hurting are >> no, they're not. because the peoworkers. and, you1rting are >> no, they're not. because the peo workers. and, you know,|re >> no, they're not. because the peo workers. and, you know, and the workers. and, you know, and they moments to they choose these moments to choose choose choose christmas. they choose summer choose summer holidays. they choose easter thing easter holidays. the thing that's cause the most that's going to cause the most inconvenience to working people attacks train attacks me. this is the train drivers. know they haven't drivers. and i know they haven't had a pay rise since covid i know that. but you know, train drivers already an drivers are already on an average of 68 grand a year

anyway, they're not exactly average of 68 grand a year anythe', they're not exactly average of 68 grand a year anythe', th of re not exactly average of 68 grand a year anythe', th of theirt exactly average of 68 grand a year anythe', th of their backside on the bones of their backside and they do overtime and plus they do overtime and i think it's a four day week as well. it's actually not a bad well. so it's actually not a bad gig- well. so it's actually not a bad gig. they're on, but it really hacks me off that they're choosing because this choosing christmas because this is that kids as is a time that affects kids as well workers. it's just well as workers. it's just families the elderly that families and the elderly that might anymore. families and the elderly that migsam anymore. families and the elderly that migsam and anymore. families and the elderly that migsam and teenagers �*e. families and the elderly that migsam and teenagers who want to >> sam and teenagers who want to go visit grandma, but they go and visit grandma, but they don't license because don't have a license because they're old. this is they're 16 years old. this is just awful. >> yeah, also all the >> yeah, but also all the businesses. christmas >> yeah, but also all the busi utterly christmas >> yeah, but also all the busi utterly miserable.ristmas >> yeah, but also all the busi utterly miserable. yeahas >> yeah, but also all the busi utterly miserable. yeah and was utterly miserable. yeah and i going for my, my i remember going for my, my final train of the up to final train of the year up to yorkshire and was like the yorkshire and it was like the hunger games. i mean, it really was all the trains kept was all the, all the trains kept being cancelled then being cancelled and then suddenly train suddenly there was one train running everybody swarmed running and everybody swarmed for awful. don't for it. it was awful. and don't dare get the last train because that it will be cancelled. that is it will be cancelled. yeah, kind of go for yeah, you have to kind of go for about 8:00 and you probably about 8:00 and then you probably get the 10:00. but anyway, get on the 10:00. but anyway, um, the, all the um, but also all the, all the businesses around christmas and all places, pubs, all the places, pubs, restaurants, theatre shows in the end, all those things the west end, all those things people do for a treat coming down london to do your down to london to do your christmas know, christmas shopping or you know,

etcetera, time etcetera, etcetera. every time these trains all these trains cancelled, all those businesses lose out. and i just think it's so selfish to hit businesses, families at a time when we're still really struggling. >> there'll be another blow for the high street, which is already beleaguered. >> yeah , you know what? i have >> yeah, you know what? i have this terrible sense, carol, that because unions so in because the unions are so in hock with the party, hock with the labour party, we're to see more and we're just going to see more and more this the run up to more of this in the run up to the election just convince the election just to convince the election just to convince the that the country is broken. >> and i think we'll see more after because because what these unions will think is because they've government, they've got a labour government, they've got a labour government, they can ask what want they can ask for what they want and to get it. and they're going to get it. and of course keir will have of course keir starmer will have a check and he'll say, a reality check and he'll say, you it. so there'll you can't have it. so there'll be more and they'll be even be even more and they'll be even angner be even more and they'll be even angrier with labour than they are because are with the tories because they'll labour to give they'll expect labour to give them what they i just them what they want. i just think you know, holding the think it's you know, holding the pubuc think it's you know, holding the public ransom this. public to ransom like this. i mean, interviewed a lot of mean, i've interviewed a lot of these union and these union leaders and honestly, i just, i despair honestly, ijust, i despair of it's live in it's like they live in a different world. they about different world. they talk about the working classes like, like they're a different they're like they're a different race. like,

race. and like, they're a different race. like, they're a different race. like, they're a different class. not understanding they're understanding that they're hurting work hurting the very people who work for who, you know, who for them. and who, you know, who keep their jobs open. you know, for them. and who, you know, who keit) their jobs open. you know, for them. and who, you know, who keit wasn'tjobs open. you know, for them. and who, you know, who keit wasn't for; open. you know, for them. and who, you know, who keit wasn't for theen. you know, for them. and who, you know, who keit wasn't for the public, know, if it wasn't for the public, british wouldn't british rail wouldn't exist. >> they definitely doing >> but they are definitely doing this a coordinated way. this in a coordinated way. >> they are, of course, maximum damage tories and we've damage to the tories and we've seen with british seen that with the british medical because medical association because they've accepted a pay deal, haven't up in haven't they, sam up in scotland, very similar to the one england, but they one offered in england, but they won't england. won't even entertain in england. >> you know, it's >> no, it's, you know, it's politically motive. there's a massive motivation to massive political motivation to these the bma, know these things. the bma, i know there's frustration in there's great frustration in government about the doctors unions very unions and the very, very militant who've overtaken militant people who've overtaken the of those. and they the running of those. and they feel it's impossible to negotiate feel it's impossible to negotia'got a political agenda. they've got a political agenda. and this is part of the problem. well, before we well, talking just before we change, now change, would it change now there's health secretary. there's a new health secretary. >> is that possibly going think they that it will they are hoping that it will give it will a chance to kind give it will be a chance to kind of to start again to of reset and to start again to kind start on a fresh thought. >> but i don't know who she is. >> but i don't know who she is. >> the new health secretary victoria victoria atkins. >> one's ever heard of. no. >> no one's ever heard of. no. >> no one's ever heard of. no. >> and i can you this,

>> and i can tell you this, she's very wet tory. she's a very, very wet tory. she's on the wet side of the tory whip. >> she is a centrist arch—remainer too. >> yeah. yeah >> yeah. yeah >> maybe she can kick start >> but maybe she can kick start the conversation. >> but maybe she can kick start the con no, ation. >> but maybe she can kick start the con no, it'll]. >> but maybe she can kick start the con no, it'll be a struggle. >> no, no, it'll be a struggle. >> no, no, it'll be a struggle. >> she was talking of run up >> she was talking of the run up to christmas, right? >> we're getting to that point where that online where anybody that shops online is a stream of parcels is having a stream of parcels arrive houses. right arrive at our houses. right now. people not sam. this people are not happy. sam. this is two out of three, is is because two out of three, is it? where know, it's 1 in it? where you know, it's 1 in 3 customers. so 2 in 3 are happy, 1 in 3 are unhappy with the miserable 1 in 3 are unhappy with the misi rable 1 in 3 are unhappy with the misi can't believe 2 in 3 are >> i can't believe 2 in 3 are happy. >> i can't believe 2 in 3 are happy- i >> i can't believe 2 in 3 are happy. i mean, have you ever met anybody who's been happy with air service? air parcel delivery service? i certainly haven't. mean, you certainly haven't. i mean, you know, talks the worst know, it talks about the worst offenders, offenders offenders, the worst offenders yodel. dpd and yodel. 40% unhappy. dpd and every think is there's every which i think is there's a lot clothes from every lot of clothes come from every every wouldn't they hermit hermits. >> yeah they were and they they changed and they've changed but you mean we've all had you know i mean we've all had the list of we all the list of stories we can all tell about deliveries. tell about parcel deliveries. >> i've had a cactus that was put on its side and left at the front door. i've had parcel was just all over the place. just thrown all over the place. parcels i mean,

parcels stolen. i mean, you know, just i don't think know, it's just i don't think i ever anything online. ever buy anything online. >> well, i'm very wise, >> well, i'm probably very wise, but is, there is there but the thing is, there is there is is fact that some of us do. >> but, you know, a friend of ours recently, her dogs ashes were sent by dpd. right. and they lost them. oh, and it turns out they were thrown over a gate behind a bin. you can't be shoving something that's got, you know, fragile stuff inside over a bloomin gate. >> it sounds like a scene out of only fools horses. you've just described every is the worst i've had terrible problems with awful problems where they say, i've had terrible problems with awful delivered.nhere they say, we've delivered. >> i no, you haven't. you >> i said, no, you haven't. you know what's happening? >> those websites. >> i'm on one of those websites. i'm bit addicted to with the i'm a bit addicted to with the local neighbourhood. so it tells you what's going people you what's going on and people are every are posting pictures every single front door single day of their front door cameras with absolute idiots walking along and nicking the parcels. >> what they do now, you won't know this, andrew, but they know this, andrew, but what they do delivery drivers, if do now, the delivery drivers, if nobody's just leave nobody's there, they just leave it on your doorstep. >> something quite >> there's something quite nice in about you get in 1950s about that. you get home there's your parcel on home and there's your parcel on the doorstep. but they're getting nicked now by

professional getting nicked now by professiordelivery service says, getting nicked now by proyouiordelivery service says, getting nicked now by proyou have ivery service says, getting nicked now by proyou have aery service says, getting nicked now by proyou have a safe ervice says, getting nicked now by proyou have a safe space? ays, getting nicked now by proyou have a safe space? yes, do you have a safe space? yes, we have a safe. >> i have a. they don't put it there space and they don't put it there. >> they it right on the >> they put it right on the front mat in front of the door and they take it. >> and then it's. yeah. the stuff get pinched from your doorstep. >> it hasn't yet, but it has from neighbour's doorstep, from my neighbour's doorstep, that's for sure. i mean, mine's only rubbish like that. >> well know, murphy's not >> well you know, murphy's not having knock themselves having dog food knock themselves out that. out with that. >> yeah, but can we talk about this trans yes i really this trans story? yes i really want talk about this. it's. want to talk about this. it's. >> the phrase >> i just used the phrase professional knickers. >> this feels quite appropriate at yeah? at this. oh, yeah? >> yeah. at this. oh, yeah? >> good thing. at this. oh, yeah? >> oh, d thing. at this. oh, yeah? >> oh, actually, there was. yeah, story yeah, there's sam's got a story about anyway, go on about it. but anyway, go on this. i'm going to trans this. i'm going to tell trans because there's no trans woman. a woman called steph richards. she's been in she's been, she's been put in charge of of trans sorry charge of the of a trans sorry of of endometriosis of a of an endometriosis charity. called south charity. it's called south coast. so she's 70 coast. and anyway, so she's 70 years old and she's a labour activist and she's and she's the most important thing about her is that she's a man living as a woman and as such hasn't

absolutely zero understanding of endometriosis , of what it means, endometriosis, of what it means, what what that is this is, this is about the lining of the material on the lining of your womb grows elsewhere in down there and it's actually agonisingly painful. it can make penods agonisingly painful. it can make periods terribly painful . it can periods terribly painful. it can cause miscarriages. now we have this we have this trans woman who has being put in charge of this charity. and she says that she's perfectly entitled to be there because she knows she said there because she knows she said there were 29 men who had endometriosis . well, that's endometriosis. well, that's tosh, because they're not men. they're biological women who are living. >> i didn't know men had a womb. >> i didn't know men had a womb. >> men don't have a womb. >> men don't have a womb. >> i don't have one. >> well, that's the point. >> well, that's the point. >> the thing is, there's a grain of truth in what she's saying. right. this i asked a doctor right. and this i asked a doctor about this yesterday. so apparently have been apparently there have been studies is how studies of men, but this is how it's hijacked, there are it's hijacked, right? there are studies have studies of men who have embryonic depositors and embryonic tissue depositors and they're reproductive organs they're male reproductive organs which look a bit like endometrial meiosis cells. but in history, there in the whole of history, there have men been

have been 20 men who've been recorded whereas recorded as this, whereas endometriosis very common in endometriosis is very common in women, says. women, she says. >> 29, actually the >> it's 29, it's actually the proper accurate record this proper accurate record in this country 16. country in the uk is 16. >> but just imagine that they've taken predominant female taken a predominant female illness or disease and she's hijacked it and then being morphing it . hijacked it and then being morphing it. sam and wrestling it into some sort of shape. so it into some sort of shape. so it so we're now talking about men. how does that happen? >> it'sjust men. how does that happen? >> it's just utterly baffling. i think the problem is when you when you do these changes to health literature , to leaflets health literature, to leaflets about these diseases or illnesses, you are confusing people. now, when it comes to women's health, a lot of women can be afraid to go forward and ask about advice about something they don't really understand, things they, you know. so being clear about what the issues are , clear about what the issues are, who it affects, what the symptoms are is really, really . symptoms are is really, really. important. and when you this is who identifies women or decision

by the yes to take their literature says 1 in 10 people get endometriosis . get endometriosis. >> no they don't 1 in 10 women women get i mean they won't use the word women like they couldn't find a woman to do run this charity. >> yeah , it's a political >> yeah, it's a political statement, isn't it? and this woman and this is this is part of the problem because actually, are you trying to help women with this illness or are you making political making this a political statement who who who is a statement about who who who is a woman? yeah >> you see, yesterday i was quite in defence of carol because i was saying, you know, you have to be man to you don't have to be a man to run a prostate cancer charity. i think you do a brilliant job of generating money generating for money running a prostate charity. prostate cancer charity. but what she's on to say in the what she's gone on to say in the interviews worries me. >> but the the thing >> but but the thing the thing and i think emma barnard pointed this out yesterday. that this out to her yesterday. that was woman's emma was on woman's hour. emma barton, woman you barton, she this woman said, you know, already i've had more pubuchy know, already i've had more publicity for this charity than anyone else ever has. yeah, but they're about they're not talking about endometriosis. they're talking about she's about her and the fact she's trans. this isn't helping trans. so this isn't helping women are at home in women who are sitting at home in agony and don't what to

agony now and don't know what to do. you're on, right? do. yeah, you're on, right? >> and carol, as always. >> sam and carol, as always. never have so never enough time. we have so many barely fit them many words. we barely fit them in right? up next, it's gb news live with pip tomson and tom harwood. on live with pip tomson and tom har show on live with pip tomson and tom har show today, on live with pip tomson and tom har show today, guys? on the show today, guys? >> well, there's still fallout from dramatic in from that dramatic display in parliament more than parliament last night. more than a almost a third of all a quarter, almost a third of all labour sir keir labour mps disobeying sir keir starmer snp line on starmer taking the snp line on this whole gaza situation instead leading to 10:00. yes ten members of sir keir starmer's shadow front bench losing their jobs. starmer's shadow front bench losing their jobs . the ripples losing theirjobs. the ripples are reverberating through the labour party and we're going to speak to one councillor who quit the party leading to the labour party losing its control of oxford council . oxford council. >> also, of course we are talking about those pro—palestinian protests which took place again last night and the met police commissioner , sir the met police commissioner, sir mark rowley has been fielding questions this morning . he's questions this morning. he's been speaking at the institute for government. find out what he had to say. also, tom's favourite story is about a whale

that's certainly true. >> i'm sure that we've been talking about this quite a bit. there's been some developments down in cornwall. we'll find out exactly what those are. two. >> oh, the poor deceased whale sounds guys . i'm sounds fantastic, guys. i'm particular interested to know what rowley has to say. what mark rowley has to say. >> yeah, people say, is he mark rowley? rowley and would rowley? mark rowley and i would say no, mark. useless right? >> end of the show. end of the week for us. britain's newsroom. we'll back you're we'll be back tomorrow. you're with the people's channel. >> hello again, alex burkill here gb news here with your latest gb news weather ahead of a weather forecast ahead of a dner weather forecast ahead of a drier day for of us drier day for many of us tomorrow. have quite a bit of tomorrow. we have quite a bit of rain around today. the heaviest of association with of which is in association with an low pressure which is an area of low pressure which is tracking its way eastwards just to the south of the uk. it to the south of the uk. but it does away. and so the does clear away. and so the heaviest, persistent heaviest, most persistent rain will from the will also clear away from the south—east go through the south—east as we go through the afternoon. quite a cloudy picture following in behind some lingering across lingering mist and fog across far parts. also the far northern parts. but also the best of sunshine likely for best of any sunshine likely for northern scotland . then northern scotland. and then a heavy of pushing in heavy band of rain pushing in across parts of northern ireland, too. could be some thunder with this

thunder mixed in with this temperature. the temperature. a little bit on the low just about getting low side, just about getting into double figures towards the south we through this south as we go through this evening overnight, are evening and overnight, we are going band of going to see then that band of rain its way eastwards rain pushing its way eastwards across of england and across many parts of england and wales also scotland. could wales and also scotland. could be a bit heavy for some be a little bit heavy for some of us ahead of it. some low temperatures likely and a bit of mist quite likely mist and fog quite likely towards north—east of towards the north—east of scotland it, clearer scotland and behind it, clearer skies allowing temperatures to take dip. so it could take a bit of a dip. so it could be touch frost around first be a touch of frost around first thing friday morning, but also some patches of fog or freezing fog. itself, though, fog. friday itself, though, looks a largely dry day. looks like a largely dry day. plenty offer. any plenty of sunshine on offer. any rain away rain will quickly clear away towards east. apart towards the east. and then apart from showers, most likely from a few showers, most likely towards areas, which towards western areas, which will through day, it is will ease through the day, it is looking largely dry with a good deal of sunshine before deal of sunshine around before some wet and windy weather arrives later pushing its way into temperatures into the weekend. temperatures for much than for many are much higher than today. by

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international trip since taking office, visiting ukraine to meet president zelenskyy, where he pledged the uk's continued military support. former prime minister boris johnson has welcomed the visit and the historic announcement from the nhs that millions of women will get the contraceptive pill for free from high street pharmacies without having to see a doctor. >> is this the key to freeing up gp . appointments and an enormous gp. appointments and an enormous fin whale was found dead in cornwall, where we live , on the cornwall, where we live, on the beach where it was found. >> speaking to the stunned locals whose morning routine was rudely interrupted. all that to come after your headlines with sophia . sophia. >> good afternoon . it's 12:01. >> good afternoon. it's 12:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. lord david cameron has

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