should exactly why and how he should break into national law. after that. break into national law. after that . starmer once again, labour that. starmer once again, labour has gaza war breaks out as eight ministers resign . what's driving ministers resign. what's driving this? and we've got some analysis on the suspicion that it's about getting muslim votes. and finally, the crown is back. but is it too much information ? but is it too much information? is it too soon after the death of diana or is it just fiction? we've got all that coming up on today's action packed show . so today's action packed show. so get in touch all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com, especially on that top story, those pictures of protesters on the war memorials in london have made you go mad today. but we're going to say is it time to beef up legislation? do you think we're just doing too we're too soft on these kind of protesters, but we're too harsh on people. for example, on saturday at armistice day, all that in this next hour. but first, your news headlines with

sophia wenzler. good afternoon. >> it's 3:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom . i'm downing in the newsroom. i'm downing street says emergency legislation on the rwanda scheme will be produced in the coming weeks . the government believes weeks. the government believes the changes will prevent systematic challenges to the policy . it's after the supreme policy. it's after the supreme court ruled it unlawful. number 10 says the vast majority of people sent to kigali will stay there. but exceptional cases may be sent back to the uk . be sent back to the uk. conservative mp and former attorney general sir geoffrey cox says the proposal does make sense. >> the judges were very clear that there was sufficient evidence to give grounds for them to believe that there would be a risk of what is called refoulement . and i think on the refoulement. and i think on the evidence that judgement can't be faulted. what matters now is can those concerns be addressed? i think they possibly can. the prime minister has set out what i think sounds like a perfectly

coherent plan. a lot will depend on the detail. both of the treaty and the bill he proposes, but it's a perfectly coherent way forward and i'm delighted the prime minister has now decided to grip this very important issue . important issue. >> lord david cameron has made a surprise visit to ukraine on day two of his first overseas trip as a foreign secretary. he travelled to the black port city of odesa. speaking to his ukrainian counterpart, he announced more support for the country, including the provision of essential winter supplies for people from frontline people evacuated from frontline areas. earlier video was released of lord cameron's meeting with president zelenskyy. the talks addressing kiev's military needs . kiev's military needs. >> as i bought the strength and determination of the ukrainian people and what i want to say by being here is that we will continue to give you the moral support, the diplomatic support , support, the diplomatic support, the economic support. >> but above all, the military support that you need, not just this year and next year, but for however long it takes .

however long it takes. >> five serving and three former met police officers are being investigated following failings investigated following failings in the case of a serial killer. steven port murdered four men in east london between june 2014 and september 2015. the police watchdog says eight people are being investigated for gross misconduct . a lawyer for the misconduct. a lawyer for the victims families says the investigation must be seen to be full and fearless . the body of full and fearless. the body of a sixth person has been found following a house fire in west london. the met police previously said two adults and three children were among the victims killed in hounslow on sunday night. victims killed in hounslow on sunday night . they're thought to sunday night. they're thought to be from the same family. sunday night. they're thought to be from the same family . the be from the same family. the cause of the fire is not yet known . police could be handed known. police could be handed new powers to protect warmer memorials after pro—palestinian protesters were accused of desecrating a monument at a group of people climbed on the royal artillery memorial in central london following a march outside parliament last night. the met police says while it's unacceptable that no laws were

broken , home secretary james broken, home secretary james cleverly told broadcaster reuters the behaviour was deeply offensive and he will now examine whether the law should be changed. up to 10 million gp appointments could be freed under new government plans. the new health secretary says pharmacies will be given more powers to help people directly . powers to help people directly. it's part of an nhs proposal to cut waiting lists. million of women will soon be able to access free contraception without having to see a gp. victoria atkins says it will ease the pressure on doctors surgeries through pharmacy first. >> not only are we expanding the existing services that are available to members of our community, both in terms of blood pressure checks and contraception services , but contraception services, but we're also going to be rolling out powers new powers for pharmacists to help people with seven of the most common and bafic seven of the most common and basic conditions. so really freeing up up to 10 million gp appointments.

>> the scottish health secretary has apologised for incurring an £11,000 data bill whilst using anipad £11,000 data bill whilst using an ipad abroad. michael matheson ran up the data roaming charges whilst on holiday in morocco last year , giving a statement to last year, giving a statement to parliament. he says his sons used his ipad to watch football matches. the falkirk west snp says that he takes full responsibility and says he wants to protect his family. >> i want to apologise to the chamber for the cost of the roaming charges as set out in my pubuc roaming charges as set out in my public statement on friday. >> i accept that the charges have come about as a result of not updating the sim card in my ipad to the new contract provider . i ipad to the new contract provider. i also recognise that i should have informed parliament it of my holiday plans in advance of travelling and that i would be taking two devices as that was my responsibility and i accept it in full. >> train drivers will stage a fresh round of strikes to ratchet up the pressure in their

long running dispute over pay. aslef union members will walk out between the second and 9th of december with different train companies affected on each day. drivers will also refuse to work overtime. little progress has been made in the row with union bosses rejecting a pay offer back in spring. the prince of wales has visited a youth project in manchester. prince william has given the manchester peace together alliance £50,000 through the royal foundation with the city's mayor, andy burnham, doing the same . the burnham, doing the same. the funds will be used to create an employment skills and training programme for young people at risk of violence . this is gb risk of violence. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . martin >> thank you, sophia. >> thank you, sophia. >> okay, now let's get cracking . >> okay, now let's get cracking. we've got a juicy show today and we start with a disgrace. awful scenes in central london last night which saw pro—palestine

protesters scale a first world war memorial while police stood by. watch out and did absolutely nothing . the prime minister's nothing. the prime minister's official spokesman says the incident was an affront which will have appalled the public. i don't say well, viewers on gb news can see they were still poppy news can see they were still poppy wreaths on the royal artillery memorial at hyde park corner . but artillery memorial at hyde park corner. but that didn't matter to these yobs who with police watching on scrambled all over a sacred war memorial dedicated to almost 50,000 soldiers from the royal artillery who were killed dunng royal artillery who were killed during world war i. but today, the metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, has said the protesters weren't breaking the law . breaking the law. >> the explicit things about last night, it is it is not illegal to climb on to a statue. >> i think that might be something that government may may consider, but that's for them to decide, not for me. the officer recognised that whilst it wasn't illegal, it was sort

of it was an unfortunate inflammatory in certain ways . inflammatory in certain ways. the officers at the scene asked them to get down and they did inflammatory in certain ways, but it wasn't enough to get him nicked was it? >> and that wasn't the only disturbing incident that took place last night, just four days after those infamous clashes on armistice day . footage posted on armistice day. footage posted on social media show a number of police officers running up whitehall to protect the cenotaph despite graceful scenes for saying no, protesters were able to attack that memorial. this time . so we've heard the this time. so we've heard the met's police commissioner say they were powerless to arrest anyone attacking the royal artillery memorial. but elsewhere in london, one man who says he simply shouted , says he simply shouted, terrorists off our streets at some pro—palestinian protesters was threatened with arrest . take was threatened with arrest. take a look. >> so, boy , shatner them you may >> so, boy, shatner them you may be committing a public order offence for which you can be arrested.

>> i'm trying to reasonably discuss that with you. >> i just said i'd make sure you know what you want to discuss. sure >> that nothing further happens. >> that nothing further happens. >> nothing further to >> nothing further is going to happen. my way. i'm happen. i'm on my way. i'm voicing i'm my voicing my opinion. i'm on my way. going to a gig. way. we're going to a gig. >> that's it. end of story. no need for you to grab me and manhandling and tell me you're going from what going to arrest me from what they're may have they're telling me, you may have committed offence that gives they're telling me, you may have conthe ted offence that gives they're telling me, you may have conthe right offence that gives they're telling me, you may have conthe right to ffence that gives they're telling me, you may have conthe right to keep; that gives they're telling me, you may have conthe right to keep hold gives they're telling me, you may have conthe right to keep hold of ves they're telling me, you may have conthe right to keep hold of you me the right to keep hold of you until i can discuss this and find out if you have committed any offence. committed? no offence mate. offence, mate. >> opinion ? >> in your opinion? >> in your opinion? >> my opinion? hamas not a terrorist organisation. >> hamas are a proscribed organisation. terrorist sympathisers in when you see things get free, palestine means free palestine of the jews. well ihave free palestine of the jews. well i have i i've literally just got here so i haven't read any of their signs. okay if any of their signs. okay if any of their signs. okay if any of their signs say say anything i think is a public order offence , think is a public order offence, i'll be dealing with them as well. what i'm trying to do is facilitate their legitimate right to a peaceful protest without being abused by people

who may disagree with. why is that abuse? >> that's free speech, mate. >> that's free speech, mate. >> it may be free speech to you. >> it may be free speech to you. >> so there we go . and i spoke >> so there we go. and i spoke to that gentleman there that copper sprinted 50 yards over to him manhandled him, him and manhandled him, manhandled the pavement manhandled him onto the pavement for simply shouting terrorists off streets, something which off our streets, something which he was his opinion. he believed was his opinion. free seen all the free speech. he's seen all the videos people have been videos of what people have been saying these marches, and saying on these marches, and that was close enough to have him threat an arrest. him with a threat of an arrest. meanwhile, down the road, all over the war, memorials , coppers over the war, memorials, coppers stood by and watched. do you think we got to tear policing? i think we got to tear policing? i think that evidence suggests we do. well, let's speak now to our home and security editor mark white, us in the white, who joins us in the studio. mark, continually studio. mark, we continually hear allegation of two tier hear this allegation of two tier police we're continually police and we're continually told met that's not the told by the met that's not the case yet. we see evidence case yet. when we see evidence like around such heated like this around such heated moments . i like this around such heated moments. i mean, at like this around such heated moments . i mean, at saturday, we moments. i mean, at saturday, we saw trouble armistice saw trouble at the armistice last it almost kicked off last night, it almost kicked off again. are starting again. people are starting to lose patience with law and order here. >> well, there's certainly a perception that perhaps the police are are less

police at times are are less robust in their policing of the likes of the pro—police in palestine , protesters . palestine, protesters. >> i think with regard to the specific incident on the royal artillery memorial, it's not true to say the police did nothing. they did clearly intervene and told the people to get down off the monument and they got them down. what they didn't do was arrest those individuals. and mark rowley, as you heard in the clip there, the met commissioner said that they didn't have the powers to arrest those individuals. they had committed , no offence of committed, no offence of climbing on a monument. however i think the difficulty that he gets himself into by making claims like that is demonstrably it's not the case over many, many years of covering protests , many years of covering protests, i've seen lots of people who have been taken down and arrested from climbing up on

monuments and memorials to bus stops, lampposts , light traffic stops, lampposts, light traffic lights on the sides of buildings, on bridges is time and time again. buildings, on bridges is time and time again . they've been and time again. they've been arrested on public order offences, committing a public nuisance. suspicion of criminal damage. all of these things the police can arrest individuals on. now, that doesn't mean that further down the road , when they further down the road, when they hope to put this before the courts, that it actually stands up to that particular test. and there is a successful prosecution. but sometimes just taking an individual out of the picture in protest like that, which are often incendiary when individuals are on top of a monument or a bus shelter or whatever , shouting on to their whatever, shouting on to their their comrades and inciting them and inflaming them . sometimes and inflaming them. sometimes it's the right thing to move in, to take them down, to arrest them and take them away. and

that happens often. so for mark rowley to turn round and say we don't have any powers to arrest anybody on monument, i think clearly there are powers. there are ways that the police could act here. >> and so that brings us to the next question. if we have a law which is being applied with inequality, i.e. without that central tenet of police, without fear or favour, they are favoured people on the palestine marches, it would appear to many people that's the public perception at least. and perception at least. and perception is everything. because if the law isn't being seen to be enforced , if the law seen to be enforced, if the law is an ass, well . there are is an ass, well. there are certainly incidents that have been filmed that do seem to show that police are being quite robust with those who are voicing concern even at those who are protesting, rather than those who are protesting. >> however , having said that, >> however, having said that, you know, the police have made

multiple arrests of individuals who have been on the pro—palestinian marches for a number of offences, sometimes when there are very large numbers of people . so the more numbers of people. so the more prudent thing for the police to do is to gather intelligence to wait and to then identify and arrest individuals at a later date than rallying in and then creating an even worse problem in terms of , creating an even worse problem in terms of, you creating an even worse problem in terms of , you know, creating an even worse problem in terms of, you know, very large scale public disorder. >> isn't that part of the problem? and that is there's a very clear perception the evidence is manifest, that they are steaming into people who they would call far right a lot of them not that they're patriots , veterans, all these patriots, veterans, all these people, they would hate that label. nevertheless, there's a perception there, a smaller bunch, easier target . bunch, they're easier to target. how do you get on top of hundreds of thousands people? hundreds of thousands of people? is they're afraid is it simply that they're afraid to police robustly against the palestinian mob because there are too many of them? it could break into anarchy and break out into anarchy and therefore the winning?

therefore the mob is winning? >> well, i've seen this with very large scale protests many times in the past, and it is the case, it's custom and practice really, that when you have a very large, aggressive crowd, that it very large, aggressive crowd, thatitis very large, aggressive crowd, that it is often better to gather the evidence and arrest at a later stage . they just at a later stage. they just don't have the resources. often to move in and arrest. so that's why why you will see in smaller scale breaches of the peace and offences being committed, police will move in and arrest at that stage, but they've got to the last thing you want them to do. surely with finite policing resource is to get stuck in and then there to be very significant large scale disorder . with lots of police officers injured . and so that's a injured. and so that's a calculation they've got to make and obviously in this particular case, you had a smaller protest , case, you had a smaller protest, which was those counter protests, the larger protest

being the pro—palestinian one. and i'm not saying that that larger protest was completely peaceful because it wasn't there were incidents of violence later on and there were certainly incidents of people carrying placards and shouting slogans that could constitute an offence. but the police have obviously decided that the way they're going to tackle that is to gather the evidence and go after them at a later date. >> but we have rules like outraging public decency. you know, a lot of people watching those pictures of political protesters jumping and climbing over war memorials. protesters jumping and climbing over war memorials . you know, over war memorials. you know, there are still poppies laid mere days ago on the most sacred days to army veterans that i speak to. they say war memorials are the closest thing they get to a church. it's a place of worship. it's a holy ground situation . and yet the law situation. and yet the law doesn't seem to take any of that into account. >> no, you're right. and in this

particular case, there is no reason why the police couldn't have gone in and arrested. because you're not dealing with hundreds of thousands of people en that could cause very en masse. that could cause very significant disorder. there were a couple of hundred people that were last night were on the protest last night and a significant policing presence . so they could have presence. so they could have been dealt with. and as i say, i go back to my original point for mark rowley to stand this this policing event today and say they weren't committing an offence . we really you know, offence. we really you know, what can we do ? we couldn't what can we do? we couldn't arrest them because they hadn't committed an offence. just well, it may be true in terms of the specifics of an offence going forward doesn't then answer why on multiple occasions in different scenarios over the years police have moved in not just from the met but other forces around the country and arrested people who have been climbing onto things. >> okay, mark, an excellent start to show. thank you very

much. so on the same topic, so what those protesters did yesterday isn't against the law, but should it be? well, it is illegal in the united states . illegal in the united states. and to discuss this legal aspect, i'm joined by the barrister and writer stephen barrett. stephen, it's always a pleasure. and you are very, very quick to jump on the metropolitan police this morning and points out actually they're wrong. these people were breaking the law. can you set out, please, the gb views news viewers, why that's the case? >> yes. >> yes. >> and perhaps just explain >> and perhaps i'll just explain to viewers why that is. to your viewers why that is. it's because of how organise it's because of how we organise our criminal legal system . our criminal legal system. >> back in the day, police officers didn't have a they didn't have a prosecution authority . they used to have to authority. they used to have to bnng authority. they used to have to bring cases themselves . and the bring cases themselves. and the most important duty that they have is maintaining the king's peace. so the last thing anybody wanted and police officers didn't have to have a very high level of formal education ehhen level of formal education either. they so the last thing anybody wanted was a situation where an officer was confused

about whether or not they could arrest someone and something bad was happening . so we have was happening. so we have created would call lots created what i would call lots of offences as we've we've over created offences and we've been doing this for over a hundred years. we've been creating lots and lots of offences so that if the officers concerned about one offence, oh well then he can pick the other one and use that as the reason to arrest. and what happened last night was i got in and i just saw the massive public outrage at this and you know , i'm not a criminal and you know, i'm not a criminal lawyer, but even just, just reached for was reached for one of those offences and just say, look, this is outraging public decency and i think an officer in those circumstances would have reasonable grounds to arrest on the basis of that one offence. but then i started getting private messages from practising criminal barristers, people , and started people i respect, and i started to find out that there were even more offences because there's reasonable for reasonable grounds to arrest for breach for that, breach of the peace for that, for public nuisance, for what happened. for public nuisance, for what happened . and then this morning

happened. and then this morning rather a chastised to learn that . an mr. gallows pointed out that he he and another had created a specific statutory offence which which would apply here. and that's because there would be reasonable grounds to suspect that the war memorial would be damaged . and let would be damaged. and let me explain to readers. explain that to your readers. why there be reasonable why there would be reasonable grounds expect war grounds to expect that the war memorial damaged . the memorial would be damaged. the war surrounded by war memorial was surrounded by reads this specific law about damage protects those reads. i don't know if your listeners have ever held one or had the honour of holding one or touched one, but they are quite flimsy plastic and if you step on one, it's going to break. and when you looked at those gentlemen getting on and off at war memorial , they were not paying memorial, they were not paying great attention to where they were standing. is were standing. so there is reasonable grounds to suspect that one of those wreaths would be is that is be damaged. that is that is another criminal offence and a reason arrest that reason to arrest that individual. sir mark rowley is a is beyond well, he's beyond the

level of competence. i would expect at or beneath the level of competence. i think we would expect for a commissioner to he's starting to say things in pubuc he's starting to say things in public which make no sense and are unhelpful and misleading to the public. had the officer arrested in those circumstances , arrested in those circumstances, the officer would have been perfectly entitled to do so in law. moreover what on earth the commissioner thinks he's doing giving an effective defence to any of these gentlemen, should they later by they be arrested later by opining political event opining at his political event that in view, they're all that in his view, they're all innocent ? well, thank you very innocent? well, thank you very much, commissioner. you're much, commissioner. but you're supposed interfere in the supposed to not interfere in the administration of justice in that way. he certainly not helping the public and he's not policing these protests fairly because what also happens i was glad to see that you highlighted another instance. but the campaign against anti—semitism . campaign against anti—semitism. i wanted to perfectly lawfully highlight those over 200 hostages, some of whom were babies who have been kidnapped

since the 7th of october, who seemed to fall out of national consciousness very quickly . but consciousness very quickly. but as father, i personally find as a father, i personally find them to forget . and them very hard to forget. and they to drive around just they wanted to drive around just showing those hostages and their pictures and the metropolitan police used every single trick in the book. they stopped it . in the book. they stopped it. >> yeah, they stopped it. >> yeah, they stopped it. >> and to simply to then, on the other hand, say, oh, can't other hand, say, oh, no, i can't possibly criminalise somebody, you know, scampering over a war memorial and putting poppy wreaths it's disingenuous. >> okay . stephen barrett, >> okay. stephen barrett, a comprehensive skewering of mark rowley's position there. it's always a pleasure to have you on. we could talk forever, but sure, let's do it again sometime soon. look, we'll have lots more on that throughout the on that story throughout the show. it's got lot of show. i know it's got a lot of you. heads please. get in you. heads up, please. get in touch, a little bit touch, because a little bit later in hour, i'll show later in this hour, i'll show you what happened when my gb news colleague patrick christys tried of those tried to speak to some of those protesters last night. and protesters and last night. and believe not want to believe me, you will not want to miss .x—rated believe me, you will not want to miss . x—rated stuff and miss it. x—rated stuff and there's plenty of coverage on

our websites. gbnews.com. and you helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so thanks to all you for doing thanks to all of you for doing that. now moving on, sunak that. now moving on, rishi sunak is battling to salvage his rwanda policy. is it time for us to pull out of the echr ? well, to pull out of the echr? well, one of sonnox sunaks most senior ministers has had his say on that very topic today. i'm martin daubney on gb news and this is britain's news channel

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mornings from 930 on gb news is. welcome back . welcome back. >> it's 327. you're watching or listening to me, martin daubney on gb news. now after sir keir starmer was hit by ten resignations over his israel—hamas stance , in a few israel—hamas stance, in a few minutes, i'll ask just how damaging that is to the labour leader. but first, a day after the government's rwanda plan was ruled unlawful , home secretary ruled unlawful, home secretary james cleverly has doubled down on the policy . james cleverly has doubled down on the policy. he james cleverly has doubled down on the policy . he says james cleverly has doubled down on the policy. he says ministers are absolutely determined to begin deporting migrants to rwanda before the next election . rwanda before the next election. rishi sunak still promising to stop the boats. but just today a at least seven boats carrying between 350 and 400 people have arrived in dover. that means around 27,500 people have crossed the channel so far this year. crossed the channel so far this year . some crossed the channel so far this year. some tory mps want the uk to respond to yesterday's ruling by leaving the echr, but deputy chairman of the tory party and

gb news presenter lee anderson told patrick christys last night that he's got one simple solution to the problem. >> we need to make sure that the laws and rishi said we're going to change the law. >> more legislation to make it watertight. >> but here's the thing. >> but here's the thing. >> here's the thing, patrick. >> here's the thing, patrick. >> the people in ashfield, the people this country are fed people in this country are fed up the teeth of these up to the back teeth of these illegal migrants coming in illegal migrants coming over in this taking make , this country, taking the make, the stopping hotels. the stopping in hotels. >> us an absolute >> they costing us an absolute fortune. and i've always said i've consistent day i've been consistent from day one. send them back one. we should send them back the day. we did that, the same day. if we did that, they'd stop coming. the same day. if we did that, the so stop coming. the same day. if we did that, the so stoparening. the same day. if we did that, the so stopare doubling down on >> so you are doubling down on your comments earlier. ignore the law , get the facts. the law, get the facts. >> i've never changed my mind on this from one. they this from from day one. they should back the same day i >> -- >> lee anderson , god bless him. >> lee anderson, god bless him. he says the quiet part out loud. well, let's speak to our political editor, christopher hope.chns political editor, christopher hope. chris good afternoon to you. another day, fresh bedlam suella calling rwanda magical thinking. lee anderson saying ignore it altogether and just

put them on flights. the same day they arrive. chaos is the chaos. >> there's clear frustration, isn't a clear a martin amongst tory mps that's felt to a degree by rishi sunak , although he is by rishi sunak, although he is prime minister and can actually sort things out. there's some polling out just breaking right now from redfield and wilton strategies. so at 6 in 10, voters agree with bravermans criticism of sunak . don't forget criticism of sunak. don't forget in that excavate letter she put out on on tuesday evening attacking the leadership of the pm, asking why he hasn't done enoughin pm, asking why he hasn't done enough in office. why is he sitting on his hands almost and not dealing with this issue of this escalating and problematic migrant crisis ? the pm will tell migrant crisis? the pm will tell us, did tell us that the numbers are down by 30% so far this yeah are down by 30% so far this year. that's mainly because of a deal with albania to and also worse weather over the summer. but question there's but there's no question there's more be done here. there's more to be done here. there's also criticism morning also some criticism this morning from from other about from from other judges about attempts by the government here

to push through new primary legislation a new rwanda legislation for a new rwanda treaty in short order to try and get first flights off off get these first flights off off by may. earlier today, i did speak to sir geoffrey cox . he's speak to sir geoffrey cox. he's well known to viewers as a former attorney general, the top legal officer during those brexit wars. and here's what he had say . had to say. >> look, there's a crisis of confidence course in the entire system . and we can't simply turn system. and we can't simply turn away from it . the government is away from it. the government is addressing the problem in multiple ways. it's reduced by 20,000. those coming across the channel. it's reduced the backlog by 40, 50,000. it's making real progress. but we have to seize this nettle . and have to seize this nettle. and there is a political crisis of confidence that needs to be addressed and it can only be addressed, i think, by the prime minister putting this to parliament, both in the form of a treaty and in the form of a bill saying that this must now happen. and the courts, faced

with primary legislation, would respect it. >> the question there and the question now is how long will that take? the former supreme court judge has said this lunchtime that lord sumption, he was a supreme court judge, 2012 to 2018, he said it's profoundly discreditable and constitutionally extraordinary for mr sunak to try and change the facts by law. that's not what he wants to do. he's merely trying to ensure that anyone who sent from the uk to rwanda , it sent from the uk to rwanda, it cannot then be passed on to the country from when they fled and they are kept safe in rwanda. that's all that's happening. but there's and idea there's concern and this idea of, it whether it gets to of, well, it whether it gets to the the big question. the lords is the big question. will this new treaty pass the lords the election ? lords by the next election? martin as know, i tried to martin as you know, i tried to bet the yesterday a pint of bet the pm yesterday a pint of beer not a single migrant beer and not a single migrant will be flown back to rwanda before he didn't before the election. he didn't take therefore take my question. therefore didn't but the bet didn't take my bet. but the bet still stands. >> yeah, well, i think you're being safe, chris. thanks for joining from downing joining us live from downing street. pleasure. now, street. always a pleasure. now, there's more still to come there's lots more still to come

between and 4:00 and a between now and 4:00 and a couple of minutes. i'll get reaction to last night's huge labour as 56 labour labour rebellion as 56 labour mps defied the party whip to back a ceasefire in gaza. also find out why prince harry is under fire yet again . but first, under fire yet again. but first, here's your latest news headunes here's your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> it's 332. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom . downing street in the newsroom. downing street says emergency legislation on the rwanda scheme will be produced in the coming weeks. the government believes the changes will prevent systematic challenges to the policy . it's challenges to the policy. it's after the supreme court ruled it unlawful . full after the supreme court ruled it unlawful. full number 10 after the supreme court ruled it unlawful . full number 10 says unlawful. full number 10 says the vast majority of people sent to kigali will stay there. but exceptional cases may be sent back to the uk. lord david cameron has made a surprise visit to ukraine on day two of his first overseas trip as foreign secretary he travelled to the black sea port of odesa

speaking to his ukrainian counterpart, he announced more support for the country , support for the country, including the provision of essential winter supplies for people evacuated from frontline areas . five serving people evacuated from frontline areas. five serving and people evacuated from frontline areas . five serving and three areas. five serving and three former met police officers are being investigated following failings in the case of a serial killer . stephen port murdered killer. stephen port murdered four men in east london between 2014 and 2015. the police watchdog says they're being investigated for gross misconduct . and you can get more misconduct. and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com . for our website at gbnews.com. for stunning gold and silver coins, you'll always value. >> rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. >> and here's a quick snapshot of today's markets. the pound will buy you 1.24, four, $5 and

,1.1433. the price of gold is £1,593.62 per ounce. and the ftse 100 is at 7428 points. >> rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. >> thank you, sophia. now to the fallout from last night's huge labour rebellion over a gaza ceasefire . eight members of the ceasefire. eight members of the shadow cabinet resigned as 56 mps defied the party whip by voting in favour of a ceasefire. we'll have more on that in a moment. the vote and the resignations came shortly after a pro—palestine rally in the shadow of the house of the parliament. gb news presenter patrick christys tried to speak to some of those protesters, but look what happened. >> are you saying israel is a terrorist state and hamas as well, and hamas as well? >> definitely. >> definitely. >> hello, ma'am.

>> hello, ma'am. >> would you be news? >> would you be news? >> you don't talk to gb news. >> you don't talk to gb news. >> quick question. >> quick question. >> question. why are you >> quick question. why are you here today? >> quick question. why are you herwhere'? >> quick question. why are you herwhere are you from? >> where are you from? >> where are you from? >> i'm just for gb news. >> i'm just going for gb news. okay. can i ask mask could i ask why? why you're covering your face. i just want to know why you're here today . you're here today. >> go away. go away. >> go away. go away. >> you're not wanted. go away. you're absolutely not wanted. you're absolutely not wanted. you are absolutely not wanted. get away from here. i just want to get away from here. no, go away. fascist away. you're fascist scum. you're wanted. just want you're not wanted. i just want to views, that's all. to know your views, that's all. >> free palestine. >> free palestine. >> what does free palestine mean? >> ceasefire . >> ceasefire. >> ceasefire. >> so ceasefire. now okay. and what do you think of the . gb news? >> does anybody else just feel like that? now you're trying to have a conversation with people about political views and they just don't want to know. they throw insults, diversity of everything apart from diverse city of thought. not the warmest of welcomes, was it? well, to be fair to many of the mps who quit the labour frontbench, the

hardly household names in their own household googled them. jess phillips said she had she said that she voted with her constituents, which is very interesting because according to the last census, more than 35% of her birmingham yardley constituency are muslims . shadow constituency are muslims. shadow defence ministerjohn healey is one of the frontbenchers who didn't resign and he told us why. sir keir starmer was refusing to back a ceasefire . i refusing to back a ceasefire. i totally understand why our backbenchers want to respond to calls from their constituencies about a ceasefire , but in the about a ceasefire, but in the end we're not a protest party. we're doing and saying what we would do in government. >> that means we're backing israel's right to defend itself after the huge hamas terror attack. >> but saying of course this is not a blank check. i hate losing people from the frontbench. i know all of them, including jess phillips, wrestled with that very difficult decision on all of them have said they want to see keir starmer in downing street and will work with us to

secure a labour government . secure a labour government. well, let's speak to our political correspondent, olivia utley . another rebellion, utley olivia. another rebellion, another palestine protest, the gaza war breaking out within the labour party. but how damaging do you think it will be or will they just ride it out and. >> well, it does feel as though tension is over the israel palestine crisis and the labour party have now spilled over. we saw a raft of councillors resign a few weeks ago. we got up to 60 councillors leaving the party. we've heard big complaints from members but until last night what keir starmer had pretty much managed to keep the rebellion within the labour parliament party under wraps. well that all changed big time last night. 56 mps broke the labour party whip and voted against keir starmer on this issue of a ceasefire . eight of issue of a ceasefire. eight of them were shadow ministers. they were all they all had to resign or ended up being sacked. jess

phillips is a big figure in the labour party. she has a very popular following. she has gone, she said in her letter , which i she said in her letter, which i think is quite important for the future here, that she would continue backing keir starmer, that she would support the labour party fully from the back benches every other minister who resigned repeated that. so martin you ask how important it is for keir starmer? i mean, it is for keir starmer? i mean, it is not a good sign that he is unable to keep his party disciplined on a vote. as important as this , this is the important as this, this is the biggest foreign policy crisis facing the uk now . if labour facing the uk now. if labour were in government it would be huge, hugely important to have the party united around the leader and the fact that nearly a third of labour mps were unwilling to vote with keir starmer on this shows that party discipline is crumbling. but it's not an existential crisis . it's not an existential crisis. to keir starmer, all of those mps have said that they will support him from the back benches and john healey loyalist keir starmer loyalist defence, shadow defence secretary, said

this morning. well he implied anyway that some of those ministers could easily make a return on to the frontbench. were labour to win an election . were labour to win an election. no one is talking about keir starmer going any time soon, but it is a bit of a threat to his leadership , to his authority. leadership, to his authority. it's probably the biggest threat to his authority that we've seen in about three years and it suggests that that sort of purge of the hard left from the labour party might not be quite as complete as he would like to believe. i'm not suggesting for a moment that someone like jess phillips is on the hard left of the party, but there are definitely labour members is probably constituents of probably in the constituents of these of these these constituencies of these mps who've who've now stood down, who are probably more of the corbynite persuasion than of the corbynite persuasion than of the starmer persuasion . and keir the starmer persuasion. and keir starmer will be very aware of that this afternoon. >> olivia utley excellent sum up there. thank you very much for joining us on the show. now to

get more on that story, i'm i'm joined by james heal, who's a political correspondent of the spectator . and james, it's spectator. and james, it's a it's a revolt. labour are revolting today. yesterday the tories were revolting but some interesting facts jump when interesting facts jump out when you look at the people who've resigned, they're a potent combination of old school corbynistas socialist rabble rousers and people . some mps rousers and people. some mps with some of the highest proportion of muslim voters in the country. so it seems to me this has been driven by playing to the base a certain part of the population on one hand, or being an old school lefty on the other. it shows a party wracked with division , doesn't it? well quite. >> this was the biggest rebellion of keir starmer's leadership in parliament. >> more than a quarter of mps came out against it and i think what's really been clear the past five weeks is that this is only going to be an issue that rumbles on for as long as this war lasts. >> so i think it's something there's big questions to answer,

and we're seeing and that's why we're seeing a sort divide across the party. sort of divide across the party. >> i, you know, speaking to mps in afterwards in in the bars afterwards in parliament it was parliament last night, it was definitely anger and definitely a sense of anger and sorrow and i don't think this is going any time soon. going to go away any time soon. it's interesting . it's interesting. >> shah, bradford west 58.7. >> naz shah, bradford west 58.7. muslim voters. jess phillips birmingham. yardley 35.4. sarah owen luton north 34.3. yasmin qureshi . bolton south east 30.7. qureshi. bolton south east 30.7. rachel hopkins luton. south 30.1. we're having mps here. i would counter to you, james. there resigning to make sure they get re—elected. they're resigning on a position of standing by their muslim voters. well a huge part of this is about what kind of mps are seeing in terms of their postbox getting in every day. >> there was one stat i saw from one shadow minister who suggested that they'd had 11,000 pieces of correspondence in their this, their constituency about this, only three of which were even vaguely positive towards israel. so i think that certainly

demographics is something that's going into account going to be taken into account when to assess of when trying to assess all of this response. there this response. i think there there's lot of anger to what there's a lot of anger to what keir starmer said in that lbc interview weeks ago, interview about four weeks ago, and ifs interview about four weeks ago, and it's been a huge and i think it's been a huge issue for lots of people, which issue for lots of people, which is why were some is why there were some suggestions. that suggestions. for instance, that shabana shadow shabana mahmood, the shadow justice high justice secretary, the most high profile labour muslim woman, would from a position as would resign from a position as the sixth most powerful person within labour within the labour shadow cabinet. didn't do cabinet. she didn't choose to do so, but i do think it's going to be really interesting. i think take instance jess phillips, take for instance jess phillips, constituent see, that was a constituency where there was a huge war vote in 2005, huge anti—iraq war vote in 2005, the democrats that the liberal democrats took that seat. that perhaps seat. so i think that perhaps she's wary of concerned she's very wary of concerned about the thing, about about the same thing, about history repeating history possibly repeating itself course, that iraq itself. and of course, that iraq war was the same thing war element was the same thing that up scotland as that happened up in scotland as well, where a big well, which is where a big angle, which is angle, all of this, which is that week there's also that next week there's also going to be a vote on a ceasefire and the ceasefire there. and the question scottish question is, will scottish labour to differentiate labour be able to differentiate itself from westminster itself from the westminster labour it's labour in terms of. so it's a big, big issue for keir starmer splits partly due to demographics, but counter

demographics, but also i counter suggest that also suggest that it's also about different where power suggest that it's also about diffewithin where power suggest that it's also about diffewithin the where power suggest that it's also about diffewithin the labour'e power suggest that it's also about diffewithin the labour party er suggest that it's also about diffewithin the labour party and lies within the labour party and james interesting how starmer ahead vote had threatened ahead of the vote had threatened to who broke the to sack anybody who broke the line, but actual fact they all quit. >> so that's all saved in that job. at least. but in terms of the wider divisions within the party, will they linger on or will these people go to the back bench and quietly get on with their work? or will there be kind of back bench rabble rousers causing him constant trouble ? trouble? >> i can't see this going away any time soon. i think this is going to last for as long as the war lasts. i think that this could last for months. and of course, remember , martin, just course, remember, martin, just because they resigned from the front they're a front bench, they're still a voice within parliamentary front bench, they're still a voice viparty. parliamentary front bench, they're still a voice viparty. they're amentary front bench, they're still a voice viparty. they're still1tary front bench, they're still a voice to arty. they're still1tary front bench, they're still a voice to artytherey're still1tary front bench, they're still a voice to artythere making1tary front bench, they're still a voice to artythere making those going to be there making those arguments. they're still going to feeling those divisions. to be feeling those divisions. and think a war goes on, i and i think as a war goes on, i don't is just don't think this is just confined the labour party. confined to the labour party. i think calls for ceasefire will think calls for a ceasefire will grow i can't see keir grow and i can't see keir starmer to bed. starmer putting this one to bed. any soon because, you know, any time soon because, you know, he's tried to stake his claims on what the government

on doing what the government does pretty does and basically being pretty open following in open about being following in the footsteps of what america does. america decides does. but until america decides to its stance, can't see to shift its stance, i can't see labour the same. labour doing the same. and certainly going cause certainly that's going to cause a in the medium a lot of problems in the medium to term. to long term. >> james hill, thank you >> okay, james hill, thank you for on gb news. forjoining us on gb news. superb. moving on, the final superb. now moving on, the final series has been series of the crown has been released on netflix and it covers, of course, the controversial death of diana, princess you'd princess of wales, and as you'd expect, huge expect, it's provoked huge controversy. daubney on controversy. i martin daubney on gb news. and this is britain's news

me, michael portillo gb news britain's new channel.

>> previously on breakfast. >> previously on breakfast. >> what do we do now that rwanda plan has failed? time for a solution . solution. >> stanley johnson joins us this morning. >> we do have to get immigration under control . >> we do have to get immigration under control. this >> we do have to get immigration under control . this policy of under control. this policy of discouragement did work in the case of australia . we have to case of australia. we have to make it work here. if we had 3 or 4 years, he could perhaps make this play. >> but he hasn't. he's got till november. >> here's grant. harold he's a man that knows the workings of the royals that as people like myself are around are aware myself who are around are aware of what's true and untrue. >> and it will be interesting to see turkey this christmas see is a turkey this christmas the way to go? >> know, tradition isn't >> you know, tradition isn't just and just about presents and everything. just about presents and eve it's ing. just about presents and eve it's actually about a turkey >> it's actually about a turkey for lot of families. for a lot of families. >> you know, are individuals. >> they form loving family bonds, like do. bonds, just like we do. >> and deserve some peace >> and they deserve some peace this christmas. >> and they deserve some peace thiseverytmas. it's breakfast >> every morning it's breakfast from you can join . from 6 am. hope you can join. us welcome back. >> it's 349. you're watching or listening to martin daubney here

on gb news. now at 4:00 of discuss last night's disgusting scenes that saw pro—palestine protests climb all over a sacre kid war memorial. and i'll ask the big question, is it time to change the law and make this kind of thuggish behaviour illegal? but before that, there's a couple of big royal stories that i want to get my teeth sunk into in a moment i'll talk about the controversy surrounding the sixth and final series of the crown, which covers the death of diana, the princess of wales. but first, royal insiders are said to be furious over the latest claims made by prince harry and meghan's biographer, omid scobie has shared an extract of his new book, endgame making claims that harry was kept in the dark after the about the queen's health in the about the queen's health in the hours before she died. the book also says there may be no going back for the brothers. he claims william sees harry as a de factor. well, i'm joined now by gb news royal correspondent cam walker. cameron, another

controversy surrounding the ginger winger, as i like to call him, the chief line was this scobie claims harry is still viewed as a threat to the crown, but scobie is the chief cheerleader of the sussexes , so cheerleader of the sussexes, so maybe we should take it with a pinch of salt. i think it honestly depends who you ask. >> if we look back at omid scobie's previous book, finding freedom, which was a biography, a sympathetic biography to a very sympathetic biography to the of sussex, the duke and duchess of sussex, meghan markle's lawyers were adamant that she did not collaborate with omid scobie and the other author on this book, but during a hearing in litigation to do with the case she had against the mail on sunday, she apologised to the high court for forgetting that she instructed an aide to brief omid scobie and the other author, carolyn durand , to help author, carolyn durand, to help them write this book. so to look at this end game book that's just come out, or at least the extract which just come out, it would suggest that omid has very, very good sources on this

who are very close to the duke and duchess of sussex. >> but i mean, is it true? the fact of the matter is there is so much sensationalism around. i mean, the other day there was no way back for harry. then he had a wonderful phone call with his father 75th birthday. now father on the 75th birthday. now we've seen as a threat and there's back. where's there's no going back. where's there's no going back. where's the will this go on the truth? will this go on forever? and will he come back? yeah >>i yeah >> i mean, the extracts that >> i mean, so the extracts that we've got what on the we've got is what happens on the day queen died. so i day the queen died. so i remember was sat at remember because i was sat at this desk on the day the queen died, and i was briefed by harry meghan's team that both him and meghan's team that both him and meghan up meghan would be flying up to balmoral the queen's balmoral to be at the queen's bedside. then an hour later. oh, no, just so we do no, it's just harry. so we do know that that was their original intention of original intention for both of them to come out. so subsequent reports, omid reports, including an omid book, suggest said suggest that king charles said to meghan isn't to harry and meghan isn't welcome. it depends which welcome. now, it depends which version you're believing, because in end game this extracts from omid scobie's book. it seems it appears, according to omid scobie, that prince harry was left in the

dark completely by himself if that palace sources were briefing that the king had wanted to share the news personally. but in fact there's no evidence for that. but if you look at tom bower's biography, even about what happens on the day the queen died, he she alleges that prince harry essentially was refusing to get on the flight, which had been chartered to take prince william and other members of the royal family aberdeen because family up to aberdeen because meghan to go up. meghan wasn't allowed to go up. and prince william and then prince william ordered the off without the plane to take off without harry they could get to harry so they could get to balmoral in time. omid scobie disputes that. >> okay, so very quickly, >> and okay, so very quickly, the crown, the first episodes have lot of people have dropped. a lot of people are getting a bit het a bit bit upset about the includes upset about the fact it includes the of diana. what's the latest? >> yeah, well, does show the >> yeah, well, it does show the death diana. have. i have death of diana. i have. i have watched it shows the car watched that. it shows the car driving speed the driving at speed into the tunnel. you can hear the sound of the crash, but you do not see the crash. think they've done the crash. i think they've done it as they it as sensitively as they possibly when you're possibly could. when you're dramatising the death of somebody crash. the somebody in a car crash. but the crown amazing drama. but

crown is an amazing drama. but it is a work fiction based on it is a work of fiction based on facts. and there is danger, facts. and there is a danger, particularly with the international audience, that they going what they they are going to take what they see netflix as fact and based see on netflix as fact and based their opinions the actual their opinions on the actual real life members of the royal family drama series, family off of the drama series, which a danger for them. which is a danger for them. >> and do think it's too >> and do you think it's too soon or actually is it just fiction and should be allowed ? fiction and should be allowed? >> well, i think it's good entertainment, isn't it? it's good entertainment value. i think danger is, as i said, think the danger is, as i said, is people take what they see is if people take what they see on fact. but we never on screen as fact. but we never know what's behind closed know what's said behind closed doors. do know is what doors. what we do know is what happens the time. the news happens at the time. the news reports of course, the reports and of course, the inquest. but we do know inquest. but we do not know what conversations inquest. but we do not know what converrdoors; inquest. but we do not know what converrdoors and that's an issue. >> okay. thank you, karen walker, for that. excellent analysis. now palestine protesters claimed all over a sacred war memorial last night. the police say they didn't break the law, but we set out earlier on that actually that was incorrect. and at least four instances. but i'm asking today the big question, should should we change the law around this?

in america, they have much more robust laws than we do. anything of this nature would get you an immediate tug on the collar. why not in britain? that's what we're asking. i'm martin daubney on gb news. and this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> good afternoon . alex burkill >> good afternoon. alex burkill here again with your latest news weather forecast before we get to a drier day tomorrow , there to a drier day tomorrow, there is still some rain around through the rest of today. we have been under the influence of a low pressure towards the south of the uk, but that is now clearing away, taking the heaviest rain and strongest winds but a band of winds with it. but a band of rain out towards west is rain out towards the west is going push its way eastwards going to push its way eastwards as through this evening as we go through this evening and bringing and overnight, bringing outbreaks for many, outbreaks of rain. for many, these be heavy for some these could be heavy for some and perhaps a little bit and perhaps even a little bit of thunder the north—east thunder towards the north—east of clearer of this. some drier, clearer weather be some fog and weather could be some fog and perhaps a touch frost here. perhaps a touch of frost here. elsewhere behind the rain, clearer allowing clearer skies allowing temperatures take a bit of temperatures to take a bit of a dip prone spots could fall below

freezing. we're likely to dip prone spots could fall below free some we're likely to dip prone spots could fall below free some fog,we're likely to dip prone spots could fall below free some fog, perhaps aly to dip prone spots could fall below free some fog, perhaps even some see some fog, perhaps even some freezing fog first thing on friday morning as we go through friday morning as we go through friday itself, though, it's looking dry day. looking like a largely dry day. a showers quite likely, a few showers quite likely, particularly during the morning towards western areas, but towards more western areas, but into it's looking into the afternoon, it's looking largely dry with plenty sunny largely dry with plenty of sunny skies around , but starting to skies around, but starting to turn cloudier, wetter and windier towards the southwest. later on, temperatures for many will be a touch higher than today, ranging from around 8 or 9 towards the north to 11 or 12 celsius towards the south. a wet and windy picture, though , as we and windy picture, though, as we go the weekend. heavy rain, go into the weekend. heavy rain, some strong winds. the wettest weather likely to be initially towards but will sweep towards the west, but will sweep its go its way eastwards as we go through saturday. and there will be further showery rain to come on whilst temperatures on sunday whilst temperatures are picking for saturday are picking up for saturday there it down again by

rain. rain . welcome to the gb news. rain. welcome to the gb news. >> it's 4:00 with me martin daubney tons coming up in this next hour. top story. yobs didn't break the law. that's according to the met chiefs and mark rowley. we've already proved him wrong on at least three counts on gb news. so far today we've shown the law isn't an ass. it's the people who enforce it. next, rwanda in total chaos. what next? lee anderson says chuck him on the planes anyway and break international law. and the big question is , is rwanda a safe

question is, is rwanda a safe country? we're going to talk to somebody who lives there and get the inside story on that next. palestine chaos for the labour party as eight ministers resign and there's a gaza war within the labour party, will it damage them or will they ride it out ? them or will they ride it out? and it's that time of year everyone can identify with this. my everyone can identify with this. my parcel . where is it? behind my parcel. where is it? behind the wheelie bin on top of the garage. parcel boss, we're going to name and shame the worst parcel deliverers in britain. that's all in the next hour . so that's all in the next hour. so yeah. top story today is that scene last night of those pro—palestine protesters on the war memorial. they didn't get their khalife out. meanwhile, we spoke to a guy who shouted back at them and he was threatened with arrest. two tier policing. is it time to beef up the law around our war memorials? get in touch all usual ways. touch all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com got loads in the next hour. but first, here's

your news headlines with ray anderson . anderson. >> thanks, martin. >> thanks, martin. >> good afternoon . >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> 4:01. our top stories this houn >> downing street says emerging legislation on the rwanda scheme will be produced in the coming weeks. >> the government believes the changes will prevent systemic challenges to the policy after the supreme court ruled it unlawful . the supreme court ruled it unlawful. number 10 the supreme court ruled it unlawful . number 10 says the unlawful. number 10 says the vast majority of people sent to kigali will stay there. but exceptional cases may may be returned to the united kingdom. conservative mp and former attorney general sir geoffrey cox says the proposals do make sense. >> the judges were very clear that there was sufficient evidence to give grounds for them to believe that there would be a risk of what is called refoulement . and i think on the refoulement. and i think on the evidence that judgement can't be faulted. what matters now is can those concerns be addressed ? i those concerns be addressed? i think they possibly can. the prime minister has set out what

i think sounds like a perfectly coherent plan. a lot will depend on the detail. both of the treaty and the bill he proposes, but it's a perfectly coherent way forward and i'm delighted the prime minister has now decided to grip this very important issue . important issue. >> lord david cameron has made a surprise visit to ukraine on day two of his first overseas trip as foreign secretary. he travelled to the black sea port of odesa. speaking to his ukrainian counterpart, he announced more support , announced more support, including the provision of essential winter supplies for people evacuated from frontline areas . people evacuated from frontline areas. earlier video was released of lord cameron's meeting with president zelenskyy, where they discussed kyivs military needs . kyivs military needs. >> i bought the strength and determination of the ukrainian people and what i want to say by being here is that we will continue to give you the moral support , the diplomatic support, support, the diplomatic support, the economic support , but above the economic support, but above all, the military support that you need, not just this year and

next year, but for however long it takes . it takes. >> five serving and three former met police officers are being investigated following failings investigated following failings in the case of a serial killer. stephen port murdered four men in east london between june of 2014 and september 2015. the police watchdog says they're being investigated for gross misconduct. a lawyer for the victims families is urging investigators to be full and fearless . the body of a sixth fearless. the body of a sixth person has been found following a house fire in west london. the met police previously said that two adults and three children were among the victims killed in hounslow on sunday night. they're thought to be from the same family. the cause of the fire is not yet known . up to 10 fire is not yet known. up to 10 million appointments could be freed under new government plans . the new health secretary says that pharmacies will be given more powers to help people directly as part of an nhs

proposal to cut waiting lists from next month. millions of women in england will will be able to access free contraception without having to see a gp. victoria atkins says it will ease the pressure on doctors surgeries through pharmacy first. >> not only are we expanding the existing services that are available to members of our community, both in terms of blood pressure checks and contraception services, but we're also going to be rolling out powers and new powers for pharmacists to help people with seven of the most common and bafic seven of the most common and basic conditions. so really freeing up up to 10 million gp appointments. >> well, that was the uk health secretary. meanwhile, the scottish health secretary has apologised for incurring an £11,000 data bill whilst using anipad £11,000 data bill whilst using an ipad abroad . michael matheson an ipad abroad. michael matheson ran up huge roaming charges while on holiday in morocco last yeah while on holiday in morocco last year. the falkirk west msp told

parliament his son's used his ipad to watch football and admitted mistakes were made . admitted mistakes were made. >> the responsibility for the ipad is mine . the responsibility ipad is mine. the responsibility for the data usage is mine . that for the data usage is mine. that is why my wife and i made the immediate decision to reimburse the parliament the full costs . the parliament the full costs. in my statement issued last friday, i made no reference to the use of data by my family. friday, i made no reference to the use of data by my family . as the use of data by my family. as a parent, i wanted to protect my family from being part from being part of the political and media scrutiny associated with this. something i believe any parent would want to do . parent would want to do. >> train drivers will stage a fresh round of strikes to ratchet up the pressure in their words, in their long running dispute over pay. members of the aslef union will walk out between the second and the 9th of december with different train companies affected on each day. drivers will also refuse to work

overtime . little progress has overtime. little progress has been made in the row , with union been made in the row, with union bosses rejecting a pay offer back in spring. the prince of wales has visited a youth project in manchester. prince william has given the manchester peace together alliance £50,000 through the royal foundation , through the royal foundation, with the city's mayor, andy burnham , doing the same. the burnham, doing the same. the funds will be used to create an employment skills and training programme for young people at risk of violence . this is gb risk of violence. this is gb news across the uk on television in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to . martin get back to. martin >> thank you, ray. top man. now we start with the disgraceful scenes in central london last night, which saw pro—palestine protesters scale a first world war memorial while police stood by and simply watched the prime minister's official spokesman says the incident was an affront

which will have appalled the public. you don't say? well, viewers on gb news can see there were still poppy wreaths on the royal artillery memorial at hyde park corner, but that didn't matter to these yobs who with police simply watching on scrambled all over a memorial dedicated to almost 50,000 soldiers from the royal artillery who were killed during world war i. but today , the world war i. but today, the metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, has said that the protesters weren't even breaking the law . weren't even breaking the law. >> the explicit things about last night, it is it is not illegal to climb on to a statue. i think that might be something that government may consider, but that's for them to decide, not for me. the officer recognised that whilst it wasn't illegal, it was sort of it was an unfortunate inflammatory in certain ways . the officers at certain ways. the officers at the scene asked them to get down and they did.

>> well, that wasn't the only disturbing incident that took place night , just days place last night, just four days after infamous clashes on after those infamous clashes on armistice day , footage posted on armistice day, footage posted on social media show a number of police officers running up whitehall to protect the cenotaph. fortunately mercifully, no protesters were able to attack that memorial this time. so we've heard the met's police commissioner say there were powerless to arrest anyone attacking the royal artillery memorial . anyone attacking the royal artillery memorial. but elsewhere in london, one man who says he simply shouted terrorists off our streets was is threatened with arrest. watch this . this. >> so by threatening them , you >> so by threatening them, you may be committing a public order offence for which you can be arrested. i'm trying to reasonably discuss that with you. just said make sure you know what you want to discuss. sure. >> that nothing further happens. >> that nothing further happens. >> nothing further is going to happen. i'm way. happen. i'm on my way. >> i'm voicing my opinion. i'm on my way. >> going to a gig. that's it. >> end of story. no need for you to me and manhandle me and to grab me and manhandle me and tell me you're going to arrest

me. >> for what they're telling me. you may have committed an offence the right offence that gives me the right to hold of you until i can to keep hold of you until i can discuss find out if you discuss this and find out if you have any offence. i've have committed any offence. i've committed. no . in committed. no offence, no. in your opinion, my opinion? committed. no offence, no. in you hamas, 1, my opinion? committed. no offence, no. in you hamas, noty opinion? committed. no offence, no. in you hamas, not a opinion? committed. no offence, no. in you hamas, not a terrorist >> hamas, not a terrorist organisation . organisation. >> hamas are a proscribed organisation. yes. terrorist sympathisers in when you see things get free, palestine means free palestine of the jews. well ihave. free palestine of the jews. well i have. i've literally just got here so i haven't read any of their sites. okay if any of their sites. okay if any of their signs say say anything that i think is a public order offence , i'll be dealing with offence, i'll be dealing with them as well. what i'm trying to do is facilitate their legitimate right to a peaceful protest without being abused by people who may disagree with. why is that abuse? that's free speech, mate. >> it may be free speech to you. >> it may be free speech to you. >> now, we hear a lot about two tier policing , but what does tier policing, but what does that say to you? what do you see when you that? when you look at that? protesters swarming over a sacred war memorial ? well, the sacred war memorial? well, the police simply watch on and then a gentleman who shouts

terrorists off our streets at a bunch of those same protesters . bunch of those same protesters. the copper runs 50 yards down the road , manhandled into the the road, manhandled into the pavement and threatens to arrest them because the mob told him that he might have broken the law and he's on their side law. and he's on their side saying they deserve a right to peaceful . what does that peaceful protest. what does that say to you ? well, earlier on the say to you? well, earlier on the show, we spoke to stephen barrett and he told us that on these counts on outraging public decency , a breach of the peace decency, a breach of the peace and public nuisance, actually, the law was broken last night. and let's speak now to our homeland security editor, mark white, who joins me in the studio. mark, you've been to many, many protests over the years. you've seen incidents like this and no doubt much worse. you have seen worse. and you must have seen people arrested same people get arrested for the same as less in the past, as that or less in the past, many, many times i've seen people that have climbed onto bus shelters, up lampposts or traffic lights up onto monuments and statues up the side of buildings, onto bridges , people buildings, onto bridges, people that have been pulled down and

then arrested under a number of different. >> you mentioned them there, you know, public order offences , you know, public order offences, you know, public order offences, you know, suspicion of public nuisance , of suspicion, of nuisance, of suspicion, of criminal damage. there's an array of different offences that someone could be arrested under and held under. and now it doesn't mean that at the end of the day it will go to court. there will be a successful prosecution, but sometimes it's actually good policing just to take individuals out of the picture in protest where they might be inflaming, inciting the crowd by jumping up onto monuments or bus shelters or whatever it might be. and you know, inciting that crowd onto further troubles. so sometimes it can be, you know, a good and a prudent thing for the police to do and understand there is some real concern that the palestinian the pro—palestinian

protesters are, to an extent, being shown a different kind of policing face than some of those , such as the gentleman that you featured there who's shouting , featured there who's shouting, you know, i guess perfectly legitimately, that he wants terrorist off the street, whether he's calling them a terrorist or not is debateable. but, you know , you see that the but, you know, you see that the police went after him , but yet police went after him, but yet there's others on top of a monument who, yes, they're encouraged to get down off the monument , encouraged to get down off the monument, but then encouraged to get down off the monument , but then they're not monument, but then they're not arrested. we've been out and about. we've been speaking to some people about what they think about these signs , the think about these signs, the fact that people are not being arrested when taken down from protesting on monuments like this. this is what they've told us. >> we shouldn't need legislation or rules to bring that to somebody's attention. we know it's unacceptable . it's unacceptable. >> i appreciate that the law should be changed because we wouldn't be here today any of us, unless it was for our

forbearers that fought for us. >> if someone wants to protest that, it's very difficult thinking how they can do it legally, how can they express their terrible concerns as about what's happening ? and if someone what's happening? and if someone chooses to climb on a memorial, it's not right. but i don't think we should have a law to prevent it . prevent it. >> well, we've got a mixed bag there , and that's great to see. there, and that's great to see. but the question is this. if we have this existing framework of law , multiple offences could law, multiple offences could have been used there. and oftentimes, you're correct, people are removed from a scene. they not charged, they may not be charged, but it's respectful thing to do. it's the respectful thing to do. it calms the situation down. it doesn't send out message doesn't send out the message that it's okay for others to do it, because if there's one person up the next thing person up there, the next thing you there could be is you know there could be 20. is this then a case of it's just not being implemented with equality, one equality, it's favour ing one community and policing with fear. yeah i think it's about proportionate and fair policing and i think people are looking

at what is happening around the policing of the pro—palestine protests and they are not seeing perhaps fair and proportionate policing that they are seeing people who are being cut an awful lot of slack in what they are doing now , the police will are doing now, the police will argue that they do go after any offences that they see, that they're not necessarily moving in and arresting people en masse in and arresting people en masse in the middle of a very large protest because that could be counterproductive motive. >> it could actually lead to very violent scenes . but what very violent scenes. but what they do instead is the evidence gather. they seek to identify individuals at a later stage, then they go and arrest and charge these people . we often charge these people. we often see that, to be fair to the police in very large , large police in very large, large protests where the atmosphere can be quite volatile and there is a potential for it turning violent. so it's not unique to

the pro—palestinian protests, but nonetheless, i think people in seeing incidents where they feel that other people on the other side of this aren't argument are being treated disproportionately by the police and the pro—palestinian scenes are not on the face of it, immediately being arrested for things like climbing up on monuments and being, you know , monuments and being, you know, grossly disrespectful . you know, grossly disrespectful. you know, people see that and they are concerned , understandably , that sentiment. >> mark white, thank you very much. always a pleasure. superb stuff. now moving on to what those protesters did yesterday isn't against the law, but should it be? well, it is illegal in the united states. and let's get the views now of the former head of royal protection at scotland yard, dai dave. protection at scotland yard, dai dave . dai, we just heard there dave. dai, we just heard there of several counts of how these people on the on the war memorials could have been arrested last night, outraging pubuc arrested last night, outraging public decency , be a breach of

public decency, be a breach of the peace, public nuisance. and lest we forget, we also have a desecration of war memorial sales bill. so why, with all of that legislation in place, do you think these arrests simply aren't happening? you think these arrests simply areiwell,ppening? you think these arrests simply areiwell, it's1ing? you think these arrests simply areiwell, it's a1g? you think these arrests simply areiwell, it's a good question, >> well, it's a good question, as always, martin. >> and if i'd been there, they would have been arrested. i joined in the late 60s. i've been to more demonstrations and protest than you've had hot dinners and they wouldn't have been tolerated in my day. i don't know what's happening. there's clear stated cases are versus how in 1982, which gives clear guidance to the police as to what they should do in such behaviour. as far as i am concerned, it is an offence under the public order act causing alarm or distress and believe it or not, a police constable can be distressed. certainly i was distressed when i saw this and certainly they would have been arrested by me . would have been arrested by me. i can't stand this kind of wishy

washy kind of policing i'm seeing at the moment and clearly they're very different to my school. i had four years in charge of the west. london's territorial support group, before i went to royalty . and i before i went to royalty. and i can assure you under my command they would have been swifted quicker than they could have said, oh , whatever, okay, dire. said, oh, whatever, okay, dire. >> that begs the very , very >> that begs the very, very interesting and pertinent question. then what's changed? >> well, i think it's leadership at the top really with all respect to the commissioner, he has his view and a great deal of his chief constables surround senior officers appear to be of the same ilk. now, clearly , he's the same ilk. now, clearly, he's got a difficult job. nobody disputes that. but i think the vast majority of us would like to see a firmer police force and to see a firmer police force and to be applied to everyone, whether you're a so—called right wing football, yobs and i'm not sure they're all right wing. i think they're just yobs. but i would like to see clear,

unequivocal leadership that if you break the law in this country, you will be arrested and you will take the consequences . and we've seen consequences. and we've seen where firm action is taken. it does put people off. we watching that there were a great deal of many who could have been incensed by those actions. i certainly would have been. i think it's outrageous in today's world that they can do this. i don't see any banners saying, let's get rid of hamas, if any of your viewers can see one bannen of your viewers can see one banner, which any of these people show hamas being a criminal organisation , a criminal organisation, a terrorist organisation , stop terrorist organisation, stop doing what you're doing . hamas. doing what you're doing. hamas. have you seen one banner saying that ? no. and have you seen one banner saying that? no. and that's have you seen one banner saying that ? no. and that's why that? no. and that's why yesterday i listened to a former prime minister of israel who says, we put up with this in the 30s. we stood idly by watching these people be put on trains. we will never do that again. and boy, do i agree with his sentiments. we should protect our jewish friends and

neighbours . we shouldn't neighbours. we shouldn't tolerate this kind of abuse that's going on at the moment. >> and that brings us to another question. when you took the oath of policing back in the day , da, of policing back in the day, da, you'd have remembered that pertinent line policing without fear or favour. yet we seem to be in an age where we are treating certain communities with favour and at the same time policing is under a cloud of fear . fear. >> well, as always in life, the word reasonable is one of the best words in the english language. you should treat everybody irrespective of their views, as long as they don't break the law reasonably . i break the law reasonably. i don't think in certain aspect and in certain elements that we are treating people reasonably and applying the law fairly . and applying the law fairly. that's just my opinion. but what i'm seeing, i don't like what i'm seeing, i don't like what i'm seeing. >> okay . so the question that >> okay. so the question that everybody's been asking suella braverman and then it's gone wider than that is do we have

two tier policing? now, as a former bigwig at scotland yard , former bigwig at scotland yard, i'm asking you, do you think right now, when you see what happened yesterday with the video evidence we just played at the top of the show, one man who shouted terrorists off our streets getting immediate approached by police, manhandled to , threatened with to the pavement, threatened with arrest. see another arrest. and then you see another group of individuals on a war memorial they're simply memorial and they're simply watching would you call that watching by would you call that two policing ? two tier policing? >> on the face of it, yes . but i >> on the face of it, yes. but i would always take each case on its merits. not every officer behaves in this way. i don't know what's gone wrong. i don't know what's gone wrong. i don't know what's gone wrong. i don't know what directions they've been given . but i would like been given. but i would like clarity and i would like a certain ethical point of view put across that criminal behaviour will not be tolerated . behaviour will not be tolerated. and there are so many different cases where this offence would apply cases where this offence would apply in my opinion, and i would have arrested them. i can't say fairer than that. i would have arrested them and i certainly would not tolerate some of the behaviour i've seen on so—called

peace marches. >> well, di davis, former head of royal protection at scotland yard, i think a lot of people wish coppers like you would come out of retirement and come back and save the day. thank for and save the day. thank you for joining again on gb joining us once again on gb news. always a pleasure . news. it's always a pleasure. now, we'll have lots more on that story throughout the show. please around. going please stick around. it's going to epic debate later on to be an epic debate later on about should the law about should we change the law around protecting those war memorials . it seems like we've memorials. it seems like we've got enough law, but should we beef up even further ? but a beef it up even further? but a little later this hour, i'll show you happened when my show you what's happened when my gb patrick gb news colleague patrick christys to speak to some christys tried to speak to some of the protesters at that protest last night. and believe me, you won't want to miss it. it wasn't pretty. and there's plenty coverage our plenty of coverage on our website, gbnews.com and you helped make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so thank you very much . and now rishi sunak is much. and now rishi sunak is battling to salvage his rwanda policy. is it time for to us pull out of the echr or one of sunaks? most senior ministers

has said he has. he has his say. sorry on that very topic today. i'm martin daubney on gb news. this is britain's news

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minutes, i'll ask just how damaging that can be to the labour party and its leader. but first, let's get to downing street and join our political editor , christopher hope, who's editor, christopher hope, who's got some breaking chris, got some breaking news. chris, what's latest ? what's the latest? >> yes , martin, there's been >> yes, martin, there's been there's been some news on the issue of work from home, which has been a campaign led by our colleague at gb news, jacob rees—mogg, when he was a business secretary. the government has mandated that as of shortly , we may be starting of shortly, we may be starting in a few weeks time that as a bare minimum civil servants must be at for three days a week be at work for three days a week . that means their twits . i . that means their twits. i think you can say in daytime tv tuesday, wednesday, thursday, if they want to go back work. they want to go back to work. but it's a start, i think. and as we as we creep back to work more full time post—pandemic , more full time post—pandemic, it's an example to show that i think the government recognises that face to face working is actually probably better than being at home all the time. they're still flexible. you can still be at for home days still be at for home two days a week but very week officially, but very shortly government will shortly the government will

bnng shortly the government will bring a bare minimum bring in as a bare minimum requirements work at requirements to be at work at your desks for three days a week. rees—mogg, if week. so jacob rees—mogg, if he's watching , will delighted i >> excellent news chopper. excellent news. isn't it funny how that feels like a victory. you know, do days work a you know, do three days work a week, still, that i think is week, but still, that i think is a huge bit of news. fantastic. now a day after the government's rwanda plan was ruled unlawful, home secretary james cleverly has doubled down on the policy. he says ministers are absolutely determined to begin deporting migrants to rwanda before the next election . rishi sunak still next election. rishi sunak still promising to stop the boats. but just today , at least seven boats just today, at least seven boats carrying between 350 and 400 people have arrived in dover. and that means around 27,500 people have crossed the channel so far. this year on small boats . well, some tory mps want the uk to respond to yesterday's ruling by leaving the echr . but ruling by leaving the echr. but deputy chairman of the tory

party and gb news presenter lee anderson told patrick christys last night that he's got one simple solution to this problem. we need to make sure that the laws are now, rishi said. >> we're going to change the law. >> more legislation to make it watertight. >> but here's the thing. >> but here's the thing. >> here's the thing, patrick. the people in ashfield, the people in this country are fed up to the back teeth at these illegal migrants coming over to this country taking to make they're stopping hotels. they're stopping in hotels. they're an absolute fortune. >> and i've always said i've been from one. we been consistent from day one. we should them back the same should send them back the same day. if we did that, they'd stop coming. >> so you doubling down on >> so you are doubling down on your comments earlier, ignore the law, get the flights. >> i've never changed my mind on this day one. they this from from day one. they should be sent back the same day. >> well, as is usual, about as subtle as a brick to the head. let's speak to our political ednon let's speak to our political editor, christopher hope. so we heard lee anderson said heard what lee anderson said there, about send them there, chris, about send them back the same day suella braverman has waded calling braverman has waded in calling rishi's plan yet more magical

thinking . what's the latest on thinking. what's the latest on the rwanda calamity . the rwanda calamity. >> well, it's a policy, not a calamity, just yet. but certainly these are frustration that you're making very clear that you're making very clear that on behalf of gb news viewers about a lack of any progress on stopping the boats. now, i asked in the lobby meeting just now with the prime minister's deputy official spokesman on yes or no. will a single migrant who arrives here illegally be flown back to rwanda before the end of next year? i didn't get a yes or no answer. i was told that they are committed to taking efforts committed to taking all efforts to place a targeted to put in place a targeted approach. and so the spokesman went on. they can't say yes or no because they're not sure it's going to happen. the idea is to bnngin going to happen. the idea is to bring in an emergency legislation to enact in law a new treaty to update a memorandum of understanding with rwanda, to make clear that rwanda, to make clear that rwanda will not remove anybody who arrives there from the uk to the country where they came from. they must stay in that country. that's the idea. but to

get , it's quite big ask. get there, it's quite a big ask. they've to ask permission they've got to ask permission of a party to pass this a labour party to pass this information, this legislation through as emergency through to as emergency legislation get through legislation and then get through the house of lords where it could a big problem. already could be a big problem. already lord former member lord sumption, the former member of supreme court, speaking of the supreme court, speaking out plans. it out against these plans. so it needs some support labour. out against these plans. so it needs could support labour. out against these plans. so it needs could be jport labour. out against these plans. so it needs could be )p politicallabour. out against these plans. so it needs could be )p political trapur. there could be a political trap in there if labour don't support the rwanda plan that allows the tory party to say on leaflets in the election just over a year away, look, labour won't support anidea away, look, labour won't support an idea that can stop the small boats crisis in its tracks. but for me, if many probably many viewers of our station, it's more talk . where's the action? more talk. where's the action? this government's been in charge in this current government since 2019, but the tories have an overall charge for 13 years and this problem has got worse and worse. the problem across the channelis worse. the problem across the channel is mark has been saying has only happened really since the covid crisis shut off the route under the channel through the channel tunnel and people took the risk on going across

the water and it by and large it has been successful but i think people look at it and go can't the government get a grip on this? it's symbolic of a government that can't control inflation in. and shortly next week, we'll be seeing some net migration that's people migration stats. that's people arriving here legally through our borders, which show our borders, which should show in in the hundreds of thousands which does not look like the government's taking back control of it should do of its borders, as it should do post the referendum in 2016. >> and it's fair to say you bet a pint of beer, didn't you, with rishi sunak yesterday, if a single person would be flown back to rwanda by spring next yean back to rwanda by spring next year, do you think that pint is safe? i i tried to bet, but he wouldn't take my question. >> i was too polite to shout it out. but. and of course he doesn't drink either. but despite that, there's a pint. there's a pint of news bitter there's a pint of gb news bitter waiting the pm if he can get waiting for the pm if he can get a migrant taking next a single migrant taking off next yeah a single migrant taking off next year. that pint is safe. year. i think that pint is safe. you and me will drink it. martin. >> okay, chris hope, thank you

very much for the latest from downing street. and a lot of viewers out there are feeling quite bitter about the entire bungled get bungled failed operation to get people those flights to people out on those flights to rwanda . and people just don't rwanda. and people just don't believe it's ever going to happen. you happen. let me know what you think. more yet to think. there's loads more yet to come between now and 5:00 pm and a of moments. former a couple of moments. a former labour me his reaction labour mp gives me his reaction to night's huge rebellion to last night's huge rebellion as 56 mps defied the party whip to back a ceasefire in gaza. and later on in the show, i'll tell you why prince harry is under fire yet again. but first, here's your latest news headunes here's your latest news headlines with ray addison . headlines with ray addison. >> thanks, martin. good afternoon. 432 our top stories, downing street says emergency legislation on the rwanda scheme will be produced in the coming weeks. the government believes the changes will prevent systemic challenges to the policy. this after the supreme court ruled that it was unlawful . bill number 10 says the vast

majority of people sent to kigali will stay there. but exceptional cases may be sent back to the uk . lord cameron has back to the uk. lord cameron has made a surprise visit to ukraine on day two of his first overseas trip as foreign secretary three he travelled to the black sea port of odesa. speaking to his ukrainian counterpart, he announced more support, including the provision of essential winter supplies for people evacuated from frontline areas and five serving and three former met police officers are being investigated following failings in the case of a serial killer. stephen port murdered four men in east london between 2014 and 2015. the police watchdog says they're being investigated for gross misconduct . you'll find more on misconduct. you'll find more on all of those stories on our website, gbnews.com . website, gbnews.com. >> thank you. right now to the

fallout from last night's huge labour rebellion over a gaza ceasefire . eight members of the ceasefire. eight members of the shadow cabinet resigned as 56 mps defied the party whip by voting in favour of a ceasefire . voting in favour of a ceasefire. we'll have more on that in a moment. the vote and the resignations came shortly after a pro—palestine rally in the shadow of the houses of parliament and gb news presenter patrick christys tried his very best to speak to some of those protesters. check out what happened. >> are you saying israel is a terrorist and hamas as well ? terrorist and hamas as well? >> and hamas is definitely . >> and hamas is definitely. >> and hamas is definitely. >> hello. >> hello. >> would you be news? >> would you be news? >> don't talk to gb news. quick question. quick question . question. quick question. >> why are you here today? >> why are you here today? >> where are you from? i'm just going for gb news. >> yep. okay can i ask could i ask why? why? you're covering your face. i just want to know why you're here today . why you're here today. >> she's gone. go away. go away . >> she's gone. go away. go away. >> she's gone. go away. go away. >> you're not wanted. go away . >> you're not wanted. go away. you're not wanted. you are answering . no one said, get away

answering. no one said, get away from here. i just want to get away from here. no, go away. you're fascist scum. you're not wanted. to know your wanted. i just want to know your views, that's all right. >> free palestine. >> free palestine. >> what does free palestine mean? fire. ceasefire. mean? cease fire. so ceasefire. now now. okay. and what do you think of the gb news? >> do you laugh or do you cry about these people because they bang on about diversity all the time, but they're not interested in diversity of thoughts. and when you challenge their opinions, words . opinions, they just use words. and many i've seen the outtakes of they got of that, believe me, they got really , really out of hand. really, really out of hand. what's wrong with these people anyway? the warmest of anyway? not the warmest of welcomes it? but to be fair welcomes was it? but to be fair to many of the mps who quit the labour bench, they're labour front bench, they're hardly names in their hardly household names in their own phillips is own households. jess phillips is perhaps the best known and she said that she had to vote with her constituent . it's more of her constituent. it's more of that in a minute interest only. according to the latest census, more than 35% of her birmingham yardley constituency on muslim shadow defence ministerjohn shadow defence minister john

healey is one of the frontbenchers who didn't resign and he told us why sir keir starmer was refusing to back that ceasefire . i totally that ceasefire. i totally understand why our backbenchers want to respond to calls from their constituencies about a ceasefire, but in the end we're not a protest party. >> we're doing and saying what we would do in government. that means we're backing israel's right to defend itself after the huge hamas terror attack , but huge hamas terror attack, but saying, of course this is not a blank check. i hate losing people from the front bench. i know all of them, including jess phillips, wrestled with that very difficult decision. all of them have said they want to see keir starmer in downing street and will with us to secure and will work with us to secure and will work with us to secure a labour government. well let's speak to our political correspondent olivia utley now, who us live from who joins us live from westminster . westminster. >> labour's palestine >> olivia labour's palestine problem has been brewing for a long time. last night it came to a head. the big question is how damaging will this be to starmer and the labour party ? and the labour party? >> hi , martin. yeah, well, as

>> hi, martin. yeah, well, as you say, it has been brewing for quite a long time now. a couple of weeks ago, 60 labour councillors resigned . now there councillors resigned. now there are 2500 labour councillors. to put that perspective live. put that in perspective live. but was still pretty damaging but it was still pretty damaging for keir starmer until last night though, he had managed to keep the labour parliamentary party rebels an under wraps. one shadow minister resigned about a week ago, but since then all seem to have quietened down. well, yesterday all that changed 56 labour mps broke the way labour whip. now that's nearly a third of the parliamentary party and of course eight shadow ministers walked away from their posts . we haven't seen eight posts. we haven't seen eight shadow ministers, as many as eight walk away from their post since, they were since, well, they were ministers, when boris ministers, but when boris johnson in the dying days of johnson was in the dying days of his government . so this is this his government. so this is this is big. this is, i mean, almost unprecedented in recent times that many that many frontbenchers walking away from their posts. but it's not an

existential crisis for keir starmer. labour is way, way up in the polls on the whole , the in the polls on the whole, the party is supporting him. the majority of this party, the party is supporting him and even those mps who have walked away from their shadow posts have said very clearly, as john healey said in that clip there, that they are supporting keir starmer, that they will be supporting a government supporting a labour government from and in from the backbenches and in fact john healey even implied that it's possible that those frontbenchers could regain their posts if and when labour win the next election . really the issue next election. really the issue for starmer isn't any sort of immediate threat to his leadership, but it's just bodes badly for the future that he was unable to discipline his party on such an important vote . if on such an important vote. if the labour party were in government, then whether or not they support a ceasefire in israel would be really, really important. the whole world would be asking what the uk government wants to do about the situation

in israel and gaza and if keir starmer isn't able to whip his mps into voting with him on an issue like that, it suggests that there could be problems for his authority later down the line, particularly if labour were only to win a small majority or if there were to be a hung parliament after the next election . election. >> okay, olivia utley cracking. great summary as usual, labour are revolting. well, to get more on this, i'm joined by the former labour mp simon danczuk. simon always a pleasure. how you doing, captain? now look, when you at people on this you look at the people on this list, you probably won't list, simon, you probably won't be very surprised. we seem to have an unholy of old have an unholy alliance of old school corbyn, easters and people voting on on the basis of the fact they live in areas with a larger than national average muslim population. so they're voting to save their seats. yeah that's exactly right. >> i went through the list and they are either very far left like diane abbott or they're represent large muslim

communities. and it doesn't bode well for keir starmer or for the country at all. well, i think it's a real problem. olivia you outlined that it's a major problem for keir over 50 mps in the parliamentary labour party who are happy to appease the hamas terrorists. that's the reality of it. it should be of major concern to both keir starmer and indeed to the public themselves . if labour get in themselves. if labour get in power and they have these mps in government , then it's a major government, then it's a major concern for our country. people who are prepared to appease terrorists in this way should not be anywhere near government . not be anywhere near government. that's the reality of it. so when i listen to people like you speak an absolute common sense on this issue , and i say to on this issue, and i say to myself this, you would have no place in the labour party now, would you? >> what's happened? what's changed it? >> well, right in that >> well, you're right in that the party has shifted. the labour party has shifted. it's dramatically during it's shifted dramatically during jeremy corbyn's years as leader.

it's moved to the left. it's still got a lot of mps. labour mps that were selected under jeremy corbyn. that's why the far left within the parliamentary labour party has grown and it's fair to say if we're talking about ideology , et we're talking about ideology, et cetera, then keir isn't that sort of new labour or to the right of within the labour party? he's what you might call soft left. he was always very close to jeremy corbyn and so that's what we're seeing in this instance. my concern is that because they're doing so well in the polls, the public are going to put them into power, into government , and then on issues government, and then on issues like this, we'll be in the completely wrong place as a country. >> and simon, i want to ask you quickly about rwanda . it looks quickly about rwanda. it looks like it's never going to get off the ground. and yet labour don't seem to have their own plan for controlling illegal immigration. what do you think they're going to keep quiet and get to do? just keep quiet and get elected goes away elected and hope it goes away because won't go away. will because it won't go away. will it? especially in the red wall

where need those votes to where they need those votes to win. as we saw in 2019? >> yeah, no, absolutely right. that's labour that's what the labour preference is, to keep quiet on immigration, hope that the conservatives can't solve this dilemma of the small boats and just gain power the general election. but that will take us a step closer to open borders. i've no doubt that keir starmer has no appetite for sorting out illegal immigration in this country. i'm afraid now , on the country. i'm afraid now, on the topic of rwanda being deemed by the supreme court, not a safe country, i understand . country, i understand. >> simon, you have experience of the country, and what's your take on that? >> yeah, my wife is rwandan and we spend a lot of time in rwanda. we have a home in rwanda. we have a home in rwanda. the reality is that it's a very safe country , a very safe country, exceptionally safe country . i exceptionally safe country. i have no hesitation in walking around rwanda. it's exceptionally safe. i mean, the supreme court has just got it wrong . and it seems to have wrong. and it seems to have based a lot of its judgement on information from the united

nations. but it's just perhaps inaccurate or out of date. and the reality is it's a great country really developing well and a safe place to send asylum seekers . i and a safe place to send asylum seekers. i mean, and a safe place to send asylum seekers . i mean, it's nonsense. >> simon danczuk , excellent >> simon danczuk, excellent stuff, aslef thank you so much for joining us on the show. always a pleasure. there are more people like simon, the labour party. maybe they'd have a chance. i don't know. anyway, look, christmas is coming and you know what that means. mince pies, of course, pies, turkey and of course, delivery completely delivery companies completely leaving some leaving your parcels in some weird places like weird and wonderful places like on top your garage or halfway on top of your garage or halfway down your wheelie bin. i'm going to the worst offenders to expose the worst offenders soon. daubney on gb soon. i'm martin daubney on gb news and we are britain's news channel.

sunday mornings from 930 on . gb news. >> previously on breakfast. >> previously on breakfast. >> what do we do now that rwanda plan has failed? time for a solution. >> stanley johnson joins us this morning. >> we do have to get immigration under control. this policy of discouragement did work in the case of australia. we have to make it work here. if we had 3 or 4 years, he could perhaps make play. make this play. >> he he's got till november. >> here's grant harold. he's a man that knows the workings of the royals that as people like myself are around you are myself who are around you are aware and untrue. aware of what's true and untrue. >> it'll be interesting to >> and it'll be interesting to see is turkey this christmas see is a turkey this christmas the to go? the way to go? >> know, tradition isn't >> you know, tradition isn't just about presents and everything. it's actually about just about presents and eve turkey. it's actually about just about presents and eve turkey fors actually about just about presents and eve turkey for a actually about just about presents and eve turkey for a lot|ally about families. >> know, turkeys >> you know, turkeys are individuals form loving individuals. they form loving family just like we do.

family bonds, just like we do. >> and they deserve peace >> and they deserve some peace this christmas. >> morning it's breakfast >> every morning it's breakfast from you can join . us >> welcome back. it's 448. you're watching or listening to me, martin daubney on gb news. now at 5:00, i discussed last night's disgusting scenes that saw pro—palestine protesters climb all over a sacred war memorial. and i'll ask, is it time to change the law and make this kind of behaviour illegal? let's get more on one of our top stories now, and that's the government's battle to solve the migrant crisis after their rwanda plan was ruled to be unlawful . full yesterday, we unlawful. full yesterday, we spoke to british citizen adam bradford, who moved to rwanda last year and he told me is a great place to live and it is a safe country . let's head back safe country. let's head back now to rwanda and speak to victoire ingabire, umuhoza, who's a political rights activist . thanks for joining who's a political rights

activist. thanks forjoining us live on the show now from rwanda. so we've heard here from people who live there that it is a safe country. the supreme court has ruled that it is not a safe country. victoire what's your take? >> yes, thank you for having me. >> yes, thank you for having me. >> that is right. i was pleased with the supreme court's because because this decision means that rwanda government governance must be improved . as you know, must be improved. as you know, rwanda many times is a categorised as not a free country because of the government restricted the citizen political rights and the civil right. >> so this is not a free country i >>i -- >> i heard your the person you talk to who say that a free country because he lived in rwanda . i understand if you are rwanda. i understand if you are a foreign and you are here in the country, your security is you have security . but as

you have security. but as a people who live in rwanda , if we people who live in rwanda, if we want to be active in politics, it is not to. there is no security for us. i don't know if maybe you read the report published by human rights watch. uh titled as drawing us, us or died . that is the policy in our died. that is the policy in our country today or you have to be affiliated to the political, the ruling party or not. if you are in opposition, there is a chance to be arrest and to spend many years in prison . for example, years in prison. for example, spend eight years in prison , uh spend eight years in prison, uh among them, five in a in a isolated confinement . so it is isolated confinement. so it is not a safe country . it is not not a safe country. it is not too free country where you can send people who are from the other country where they are persecuted for the political pressure plan is if asylum, if

asylum claims, if asylum claims are rejected, then people who are rejected, then people who are claiming to be from war torn countries where their lives will be unsafe if they are returned to their host nation, then surely staying in rwanda would be a safer and better option for them, where they will be guaranteed work by the government. yes, i heard that the british authorities now they are saying that they will address the issues raised by the judge in the supreme court to ensure that rwanda is a safe country . but the problem is not country. but the problem is not only that the rwanda making asylum decision is inadequate , asylum decision is inadequate, but maybe this issue can be resolved quickly. but the rwanda , as i said, is not become a human rights are not respected. the civil are restricted . i can the civil are restricted. i can give you the example, the have a refugees from congo. we are have

more than 20 years and 2018 when they wanted to demonstrate the police shoot at them . so is the police shoot at them. so is the people are not free to express their mind of course they have a problem with the government . problem with the government. this is the country where in democratic country like uk want to send asylum seekers. it is human. >> okay . victoire ingabire, >> okay. victoire ingabire, umuhoza , thank you very much for umuhoza, thank you very much for joining us live from rwanda and giving us your take on the safety of the country. very, very much appreciated. now moving on and christmas is coming . and i'm afraid that coming. and i'm afraid that there's only one thing more certain than flatulence and family fracas . or maybe that's family fracas. or maybe that's just me. million of us are going to send parcels that will go missing . would you believe that missing. would you believe that 34% of consumers, which is more than 31 million people, had a delivery problem in just the last month ? now every and yodel

last month? now every and yodel were bottom of the league. and of course , one of the big of course, one of the big problems with delivery firms is they leave parcels in some weird and wonderful places. now we've got video here. look, there's a fella at the end of the driveway and he appears just to have chucked it over. he's chucked it over the gate and taken a picture and he's legged it. here we go . and i think this is we go. and i think this is completely normal . here you go. completely normal. here you go. look. chucked it in. in the rain. in the wet, look. chucked it in. in the rain. in the wet , taking rain. in the wet, taking a photograph and cleared off. and i've seen much worse than that at my place. i think some of the guys drop kick it . at my place. i think some of the guys drop kick it. i think they drop kick the side. drop kick it over the side. anyway survey by citizens anyway a survey by citizens advice that companies advice found that companies have delivered service delivered a miserable service for running and for the third year running and join me now to discuss this is comedian diane spencer. diane, always a pleasure. are you at all surprised by this? i'm not remotely surprised. most of my stuff seems to get dropped, kicked over the side gate. yeah, i mean, when you get advice from citizens advice, don't citizens advice, you don't expect advice to be long, expect the advice to be go long, go long. >> like you think that you might

get your parcel to the door. the worst part is if they do ring the doorbell. i mean, first of all, count yourself as very lucky.i all, count yourself as very lucky. i think you only get maybe 2.5 seconds to actually make it to the door. >> i mean, i've seen formula one pit stops that are slower than the amount of time the bloke waits for me to get to the door. >> and the worst part is i work at night. so half the time when these things get delivered, i turn up in my dressing gown. they must think i'm very lazy. >> martin and there's a video on the screen there of a guy again chucking a chucking parcel chucking a chucking a parcel over gate and another one just over a gate and another one just leaving it not remotely hidden just right the of the just right in the way of the garage. and isn't that another problem? they just problem? half the time they just p0p problem? half the time they just pop your front door, pop outside your front door, clear and they get nicked ? clear off and they get nicked? >> well, also, not only can they be nicked, but what was in that parcel? because i'm really hoping , you know, if that was hoping, you know, if that was your ming vase. well done. your new ming vase. well done. you're to fun. it's you're going to have fun. it's for mean. we became very reliant

on the delivery services ever since covid and i wonder about these companies like pushing people to deliver too much too soon because that bloke could have opened the gate. you watch the video , he could open the the video, he could open the gate, walk to the door, rang the doorbell . how does he know ? doorbell. how does he know? >> no, i can't get it. and the funny thing about this is even those who try to complain , 43% those who try to complain, 43% had a further issue trying to get things sorted out because as you know , you've got more chance you know, you've got more chance of getting a missed impulse or back than you've got to find in shergarh anyway. spencer shergarh anyway. diane spencer we leave it there. we have to leave it there. thanks for joining we have to leave it there. thanks forjoining us on the thanks for joining us on the show. we've got coming up in the next pro—palestine next hour, pro—palestine protesters over protesters climbed all over a sacred war memorial last night. police say they don't have the powers. they didn't break the law. so i'm asking today, should we change that law? i think we should. we've got a meaty debate coming up. i'm martin daubney on gb news. and this is britain's news channel .

welcome to gb news with me, martin daubney. it's 5:00. i've got a cracking hour coming up. top story , time to coming up. top story, time to protect our war memorials as we saw the disgraceful scenes last night of pro—palestinian protesters scrambling over our sake at memorials. yet mark

rowley saying they didn't break the law. we're asking, is it time to beef up the law and arrest these people for doing these heinous acts ? our next these heinous acts? our next story, rwanda . what's next? story, rwanda. what's next? suella has called rishi's plan yet more magic thinking. it seems to be total calamity. we're asking a human rights lawyer, an expert who's going to tell us how rishi can get out of this mess . after that, more this mess. after that, more chaos at the home office as news leaks out that 100,000 asylum seekers, some of whom could be here illegally, all of whom are living in hotels for free or could get work visas due to backlogs and incompetence . it's backlogs and incompetence. it's an outrage. we'll have that one coming up. and finally, the ginger ginger is back again. a new book called endgame calls him still a threat to the royal family plus, the crown has just dropped. is it too soon to be talking about filming scenes of diana's death? we've got all of that coming up in this next action packed hour . as usual.

action packed hour. as usual. this is your show. get in touch. all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com. especially about two tiered policing and protecting our war memorials. a lot of people are saying enough is enough . that's coming up. but is enough. that's coming up. but first is your news headlines with ray addison . with ray addison. >> thanks, martin. good afternoon. 5:01. our top stories this hour. downing street says emergency legislation on the rwanda scheme will be produced in the coming weeks. the government believes the changes will prevent sister challenges to the policy after the supreme court ruled that it was unlawful. number 10 says the vast majority of people sent to kigali will stay there. but exceptional cases may be returned to the united kingdom . returned to the united kingdom. conservative mp and former attorney general sir geoffrey cox says the proposals make

sense . sense. >> as the judges were very clear that there was sufficient evidence to give grounds for them to believe that there would be a risk of what is called refoulement . and i think on the refoulement. and i think on the evidence that judgement can't be faulted. what matters now is can those concerns be addressed ? i those concerns be addressed? i think they possibly can. the prime minister has set out what i think sounds like a perfectly coherent plan. a lot will depend on the detail. both of the treaty and the bill he proposes, but it's a perfectly coherent way forward and i'm delighted the prime minister has now decided to grip this very important issue . important issue. >> lord cameron has made a surprise visit to ukraine on this. his second day of his first overseas trip as foreign secretary. he travelled to the black sea port of odesa speaking to his ukrainian counterpart , he to his ukrainian counterpart, he announced more support, including the provision of essential winter supplies for people evacuated from frontline areas. earlier video was released of lord cameron's meeting with president zelenskyy

where they discussed kiev's military needs . well, five military needs. well, five serving and three former met police officers are being investigated following failings investigated following failings in the case of a serial killer. stephen port murdered four men in east london between june of 2014 and september of 2015. on the police watchdog says they're being investigated for gross misconduct. a lawyer for the victims families is urging investigators to be full and fearless . downing street has fearless. downing street has confirmed that civil servants will now need to spend more time in the office. they're required to come into work for a quote , to come into work for a quote, bare minimum of three days a week . meanwhile, more senior week. meanwhile, more senior managers will have to be in the office for longer. gb news is political editor christopher hope says the decision follows campaigning by mp jacob rees—mogg . rees—mogg. >> the government is finally cracking down on work from home culture. under new plans, the ministers have made very clear

that as a bare minimum, civil servants should be at their desks. 6% of the day of the week. that's three days a week more senior colleagues of theirs must be at the office for more than that. but it's a victory here in a sense forjacob rees—mogg, the former business secretary who pressed hard secretary who pressed very hard against this working from home culture. a hangover really , culture. a hangover really, since pandemic. so since the covid pandemic. so going forward, the government is going forward, the government is going make very clear going to make very clear that civil place at civil servants place is not at home, but mainly at work. >> up to 10 million gp appointments could be freed under new government plans , as under new government plans, as the new health secretary says that pharmacies will be given more powers to help people directly as part of an nhs proposal to cut waiting lists from month. millions of from next month. millions of women in england will be able to access free contraception without to see a gp without having to see a gp victoria atkins says it will ease the pressure on doctors surgeries through pharmacy first, not only are we expanding the existing services that are available to members of our community, both in terms of

blood pressure checks and contraception services , but contraception services, but we're also going to be rolling out powers new powers for pharmacists to help people with seven of the most common and bafic seven of the most common and basic conditions. >> so really freeing up up to 10 million gp appointments. >> the scottish health secretary has apologised for incurring . an has apologised for incurring. an £11,000 data bill whilst using anipad £11,000 data bill whilst using an ipad abroad. michael matheson ran up huge roaming charges while on holiday in morocco last yeah while on holiday in morocco last year. the falkirk west msp told parliament his sons used his ipad to watch football and admitted that mistakes were made. >> i want to apologise to the chamber for the cost of the roaming charges as set out in my pubuc roaming charges as set out in my public statement on friday. i accept that the charges have come about as a result of not updating the sim card in my ipad to the new contract provider . i to the new contract provider. i also recognise that i should

have informed parliament it of my holiday plans in advance of travelling and that i would be taking two devices as that was my responsibility and i accept it in full. >> the prince of wales has visited a youth project in manchester. prince william has given the manchester peace together alliance £50,000 through the royal foundation , through the royal foundation, with the city's mayor, andy burnham , doing the same. the burnham, doing the same. the funds will be used to create an employment skills and training programme for young people at risk of violence . this is gb risk of violence. this is gb news across the united kingdom on tv , in your car, on digital on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get straight back to . martin >> thank you, ray. top man. now we start with the disgraceful scenes in central london last night, which saw pro palestine protesters scale a first world war memorial while police stood

by and simply watched the prime minister's official spokesman say the incident was an affront which will have appalled and the pubuc which will have appalled and the public say that again . well, public say that again. well, viewers on gb news can see that there was still poppy wreaths on there was still poppy wreaths on the royal artillery memorial at hyde park corner, but that didn't matter to these yobs who with the police simply watching on scrambled all over a memorial dedicated to almost 50,000 soldiers from the royal artillery who were killed during world war i. but today , the world war i. but today, the metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, said these protesters weren't even breaking the law. >> the explicit things about last night , >> the explicit things about last night, it is it is not illegal to climb on to a statue. i think that might be something that government may consider, but that's for them to decide, not for me . the officer not for me. the officer recognised that whilst it wasn't illegal, it was sort of it was unfair , inflammatory in certain unfair, inflammatory in certain ways. the officers at the scene

asked them to get down and they did. >> whose side are these people on? but that wasn't the only disturbing incident that took place last night for just disturbing incident that took place last night forjust days place last night for just days after those infamous clashes on armistice footage posted on armistice day. footage posted on social media show a number of police officers running up whitehall to protect the cenotaph . fortunately, no cenotaph. fortunately, no protesters were able to attack that memorial this time. so we've heard the met's police commissioner say they were powerless to arrest anyone attacking the royal artillery memorial . but elsewhere in memorial. but elsewhere in london, one man who says he was that he shouted simply, terrorists off our streets was threatened with arrest. take a look. so, boy shatner them you may be committing a public order offence for which you can be arrested. >> i'm trying to reasonably discuss that with you. just said i'd make sure you know what you want discuss. sure want to discuss. sure >> nothing further happens. want to discuss. sure >> nothing hing further happens. want to discuss. sure >> nothing hing fu|iser happens. want to discuss. sure >> nothing hing fu|is going pens. want to discuss. sure >> nothing hing fu|is going to 1s. >> nothing further is going to happen. way. i'm happen. i'm on my way. i'm voicing my opinion . happen. i'm on my way. i'm voicing my opinion. i'm on my way. we're going to a gig. that's it. end of story. no need for you to grab and manhandle

for you to grab me and manhandle me and tell me you're going to arrest what they're arrest me from what they're telling may telling me, you may have committed offence gives committed an offence that gives me right to keep hold of you me the right to keep hold of you until i can discuss this and find if you have committed find out if you have committed any offence. find out if you have committed anycommitted? no offence, mate. find out if you have committed anyinmmitted? no offence, mate. find out if you have committed anyin yourted? no offence, mate. find out if you have committed anyin your opinion offence, mate. find out if you have committed anyin your opinion ?ffence, mate. >> in your opinion? >> in your opinion? >> my opinion? >> my opinion? >> hamas not a terrorist organisation. >> hamas are a proscribed organisation. terrorist sympathisers in when you see things get free, palestine means free palestine of the jews. well, i have. i've literally just got here so i haven't read any of their signs. okay. if any of their signs say say anything that i think is a public order offence, i'll be dealing with them as well. what i'm trying to do is facilitate their legitimate right to a peaceful protest without being abused by people who may disagree with. why is that abuse? >> that's free speech, mate. >> that's free speech, mate. >> it may be free speech to you. >> it may be free speech to you. >> you know, we hear a lot about two tier policing, don't we? what do you see when you look at that? mean, we see people that? i mean, we see people scrambling over war memorials. the simply look on by. the cops just simply look on by. nothing see here. and then a

nothing to see here. and then a guy shouts, terrorists off our streets the protesters streets to the same protesters and the copper runs 50 yards and manhandles him to the pavement and threatens him with arrest. what do you make of that? because to me, that is what suella braverman was talking about that very much to me looks like tiered police ing. like two tiered police ing. we've heard my thoughts these we've heard my thoughts on these protesters scaling the royal artillery memorial. but what are members public think? members of the public think? well, out and about well, we went out and about earlier and we asked them we shouldn't need legislation or rules bring that to somebody attention. >> we know it's unacceptable . >> we know it's unacceptable. >> we know it's unacceptable. >> well, i appreciate that the law should be changed because we wouldn't be here today , any of wouldn't be here today, any of us, unless it was for our forbearers that fought for us. >> if someone wants to protest, it's very difficult thinking how they can do it legally . how can they can do it legally. how can they can do it legally. how can they express their terrible concerns about what's happening? and if someone chooses to climb on a memorial, it's not right. but i don't think we should have

a law to prevent it. so somewhat rolly claims what those protesters did yesterday isn't against the law. >> but the big question is, should it be against the law and should it be against the law and should the police have greater powers to stop this kind of behaviour happening as they do in united states ? well, to in the united states? well, to discuss this, i'm now joined by life peer and director of the academy of ideas , baroness academy of ideas, baroness claire fox and former met senior investigating officer peter kirkham. peter can i start with you? as a senior police force officer for the met, a lot of people are saying this very, very much looks like two tier policing, not just this one incident or the two incidents here, the of the matter here, but the fact of the matter that people are allowed to scramble on war memorials without being nicked when we have powers such as the outraging public decency, breach of the peace and public nuisance, and yet they slip through the dragnet, this sends out the message that we need to beef up the laws as outraging pubuc beef up the laws as outraging public decency and causing a

pubuc public decency and causing a public nuisance. >> neither would apply to these circumstances for different reasons , and they're both far reasons, and they're both far more serious into ferences with pubuc more serious into ferences with public the public going about their business in public places and breach of the peace is all about a threat of physical violence towards a person. >> so climbing on a war memorial wouldn't amount to that as well? well, the difficulty is that there was not apparently any damage caused or threat to damage caused or any threat to cause damage . there were people cause damage. there were people climbing the war memorial, presumably get a higher presumably to get a higher vantage point from to wave vantage point from which to wave their shout protests . their flag and shout protests. ours do that all the time on bus shelters and lampposts and traffic, light poles and such like if the police are there and are able in numbers to stop them climbing up, then they'll attempt to do that . if they're attempt to do that. if they're up there already, they'll call them down, which is what appears to have happened in this case. you said the police just stood there and watched. well, the video shows the police officers

doing than that. they doing far more than that. they were down were calling them down and asking to away and not asking them to go away and not climb the war memorial. that climb up the war memorial. that would be perfectly legitimate way this matter, way of dealing with this matter, as as i'm concerned. as far as i'm concerned. >> there is a previous video which shows a whole line of coppers their motorbikes coppers by their motorbikes just watching protesters watching these these protesters go before they scramble. but go by before they scramble. but can accept that this can you not accept that this isn't a bus shelter? this isn't a this is a war a lamppost. this is a war memorial . it a lamppost. this is a war memorial. it matters. a lamppost. this is a war memorial . it matters. strikes memorial. it matters. it strikes at heart , especially of what at the heart, especially of what we've recently . and we see we've seen recently. and we see all the time police officers removing people from the other side from the streets. i saw it myself with my own on myself with my own eyes on saturday in case they a saturday in case they became a nuisance. off the nuisance. get them off the streets, arrest them, release them out without charge. but peter , that isn't happening in peter, that isn't happening in this it seems two this case. it seems like two tier policing . i disagree with tier policing. i disagree with you. >> the situation on the other day , on saturday was far more day, on saturday was far more violent , far more potentially violent, far more potentially violent. there were people charging at police lines trying

to get through . we saw that to get through. we saw that there were a number of police officers injured, a totally different situation to the one that we're talking about now with a handful of protesters climbing up a monument causing no damage. >> i want to claire fox now. so claire, i've been speaking to mark white here who has covered protest over many, many years. and he said at protests he's seen people arrested for far less than this. so that contravenes what peter is saying. but is this a case of, would you say, claire, of the existing law not being not being imposed enough, or do we need fresh laws that specifically take into account the fact that this is a war memorial and it's being desecrated and they need to be treated specially and therefore we need new laws, special laws to specifically protect them ? yeah protect them? yeah >> so i've been in a lot of demonstrate actions, maybe the ones that mark white was reporting on and i've definitely seen people arrested for far less than this. i just don't buy this idea that that every single

potential aspect of everything you do needs to be written down in the law. i mean, if anything , in the law. i mean, if anything, i think there are too many pubuc i think there are too many public order laws being used against demonstrators in general. and it does feel to me like two tier policing. in fact, you gave a perfect illustration there of the amount of latitude that the police have in terms of who they stop, what they threaten people with. so the aggressive policing of somebody shouting something offensive on the streets a minute ago, offensive in as much as they were told that you shouldn't have shouted , you know, have shouted, you know, terrorists off our streets or what have you, they were dealt with quickly, very with very quickly, very abruptly, harshly. they abruptly, very harshly. they might arrested , might not have been arrested, but it was pretty clear what the police were saying. and yet somehow heard all sorts of somehow we've heard all sorts of things shouted on demonstrations that are ignored. and then you have this situation people have this situation of people clambering all over memorials. it's not just that they're war memorials. it's that they're pubuc memorials. it's that they're public property and the police seemingly saying, oh, well, what

can we do ? and one thing that's can we do? and one thing that's interesting to me, martin, is that we recently had a big dispute in relation to suella braverman, where she said the police should do this. everybody said let the police get on and do their job. the politicians do theirjob. the politicians should stop interfering. yet mark rowley keeps saying, oh, well, what can we do? the politicians won't tell us what to do, as though policing is a kind of, you know, policing by numbers every single possible thing has to be written down. they have plenty, plenty , plenty they have plenty, plenty, plenty of draconian measures that they could use to deal with this. and i do think even if they made a show of people by arresting them, even if they let them go without charge, it would at least show some willing to take it on. doesn't look like that to me. >> and claire, before i come back to you, peter in america, for example, is special for example, there is special legislation which specifically takes care of government buildings, government property statues, and even flags. and if they are damaged or destroyed or

vandalised or desecrated and there's the word desecrated, that could mean that could mean being jumped on. that could mean being jumped on. that could mean being climbed on. that could mean applying flags to then that is a federal offence in america. should we have something should we not have something like britain? like that in britain? >> you have to be >> yeah. well, you have to be very careful what you wish for here. you know, there are big rules about whether burning flags or desecrating flags , as flags or desecrating flags, as you say, should be treated in a particular way. i don't want to live in a country that says that you cannot , for example, say you cannot, for example, say burn an isis flag. you know , i burn an isis flag. you know, i don't know whatever it might be, but even if people want to burn a union, jack, that's not the problem. the problem is on these demonstrations that people are making a mockery of the notion of the right to protest by effectively breaking away from the protests, even if it's small numbers of people clambering numbers of people and clambering all over the place. and the police are just seemingly looking away. i mean, last night we were told that police we were told that the police couldn't reach in time, couldn't reach them in time, whereas is footage of the

whereas there is footage of the fact that the police were already there before they arrived stood and let already there before they arrive do stood and let already there before they arrive do it. stood and let already there before they arrive do it. why stood and let already there before they arrive do it. why aren'tand let already there before they arrive do it. why aren't they et them do it. why aren't they grabbing them and taking grabbing them down and taking them away? right. what them away? right. that's what i'm . they don't have to i'm saying. they don't have to charge with a serious charge people with a serious offences. and this call to have even more draconian laws is something we should be very , something we should be very, very careful of because guess what? guess all they'll be used against. and i think that we can all say that we do need to defend our civil liberties whilst at the same time there is something about these particular demonstrations that the police seem very reluctant to intervene in. and yet when anyone is opposing these demonstrations , opposing these demonstrations, they're rounded up pretty sharpish . sharpish. >> peter, would you like to respond to that? i think i think that's something that a heck of a lot of people have been saying. there seems to be a reluctance from the to reluctance from the police to steam the palestine mob. steam into the palestine mob. but happy these but you are happy police these days at least to days in the met, at least to steam into what they would call the opposing mob. it feels like favouritism. >> it might feel like that. the bottom line is that the police

shouldn't be steaming into anybody . baroness fox i'd agree anybody. baroness fox i'd agree with her. we don't need a long list of offences covering every conceivable thing. that's not helpful at all. and they . but helpful at all. and they. but the commissioner wasn't asking the commissioner wasn't asking the home secretary to tell him what to do . he was saying and what to do. he was saying and i would agree that if you wish to protect war memorials or anything else specific , ali, anything else specific, ali, then pass some laws that make that plain. because at the moment they're not specifically protected . the police need to protected. the police need to intervene . the police need intervene. the police need reasonable grounds to suspect an offence once they've got that, then they can intervene and they can lay hands on people and they can lay hands on people and they can arrest them or whatever in order to arrest them. they need to be grounds to show that that arrest is necessary on top of that, in a protest situation , that, in a protest situation, action. you don't want officers taken away from the protest to deal with a prisoner. usually 2 to 1 at least two officers per

prisoner , denuding the front prisoner, denuding the front line of police officers and running the risk of things getting out of hand. so there are a whole number of things to consider before we even get on to the right to freedom of speech. >> okay. well peter, peter, i'm going to cut in there and put this to claire, because you're right, things can kick off and things can kick off you don't things can kick off if you don't start people because , start arresting people because, claire of us want to claire what? none of us want to happenisif claire what? none of us want to happen is if people feel that the aren't policing the police aren't policing effectively , then the public effectively, then the public will start step in, will start to step in, especially around war memorials. and none of us want that at absolute . absolute. >> absolutely not. i mean, the last thing we want is to be in the situation that we are in at the situation that we are in at the moment, which is that there's an increasing disillusion with the police . if disillusion with the police. if you get to a situation where people don't trust the police , people don't trust the police, then that is when you get a certain degree of vigilantism, which is not what we need. and i'm afraid that we're close to that. advocating it the that. i'm not advocating it the very opposite. i'm suggesting that there has been since i've

beenin that there has been since i've been in the house of lords two and a half years. i have actually opposed a lot of this. there's been an endless array of laws and powers handed over to the police, and they already had a huge swathe of tools in their armoury to deal with protest . armoury to deal with protest. now it's a bit like how much do you need, right? you've got all of this stuff. i even sat through something about a statues and memorials, so i don't know . that was a law that don't know. that was a law that was passed. i don't know why that can't be used. and it seems we're just talking about memorials here. it's not just being the memorials, has it. what we're talking that what we're talking about is that on there have on demonstrations, there have been all, example , been people all, for example, completely documented now using slogans, saying things which in any other circumstance would called hate speech. i don't like hate speech, regulations and laws, but you will know and everybody on gb news who watches it will know that the place to knock on your door all you have to do is misgender someone . all

to do is misgender someone. all you have to do is to say something. somebody else transphobic and they'll be round knocking on your door, threatening to arrest you. so that's why the policing question is leaving a big serious public order problem here, which is the ordinary members of the public don't trust the police anymore. okay >> claire fox and peter kirkham , >> claire fox and peter kirkham, fantastic debate, but we're going to have to leave it there. thank you very much for joining us. excellent stuff. you get lots on that story on our lots more on that story on our website. and thanks to you, gbnews.com website. and thanks to you, gb news.com fastest gbnews.com is the fastest growing national news website in the got all the the country. it's got all the breaking news and the brilliant analysis you've come expect analysis you've come to expect from thanks to all from gb news. so thanks to all of for that happen. of you for making that happen. now rishi sunak is battling to salvage his rwanda policy, and now is it time for us to pull out of the echr, one of sunak. s most senior ministers has had his say on that very topic. today i'm martin daubney on gb news and we are britain's news channel.

that i knew had dewbs& co week nights from . six nights from. six >> welcome back. 527 you're watching or listening to me? martin daubney only on gb news. now a little later this hour, i'll bring you news of more damaging revelations that won't help the strained relationship between prince harry and the rest of the royal family. but first, a day after the government's rwanda plan was

ruled unlawful. home secretary james cleverly has doubled down on the policy. he says ministers are absolutely determined to begin deporting migrants to rwanda before the next election . rwanda before the next election. well, good, rishi sunak still promising to stop the boats, but just today, at least seven boats carrying between 350 and 400 people have already arrived in dover. people have already arrived in dover . and that means, ladies dover. and that means, ladies and gents around 27,500 thousand people have crossed the channel so far this year alone. and in an interesting development, george osborne , who was, of george osborne, who was, of course, david cameron's chancellor, has said that leaving the european convention on human rights is off the table , all with cameron serving as foreign secretary so what's the way forward ? how can the way forward? how can the government get out of this legal minefield ? well, for more on minefield? well, for more on this, i'm joined by dr. michael arnum, who's a barrister and the author of a book, fixing human

rights law. good afternoon to you, dr. oram. it's always a pleasure. now, i've got you on the show today because you saw this coming in a country mile off and not only that, but you know how rishi can sort this mess out. so here you are. over to you. sort this mess out. well yes , there's one very, very yes, there's one very, very simple solution. >> and it's called revocation or revocation of a court decision . revocation of a court decision. and i'm amazed at the number of people who should know better, saying , oh, how can how can saying, oh, how can how can parliament over rule a court decision? >> well, of course they can. parliament is sovereign. >> that is the bedrock principle of our constitution. >> that's what makes for democracy . democracy. >> the courts, on the other hand , the judges are are unelected

under accountable and virtually irremovable . irremovable. >> so, of course , they can be >> so, of course, they can be overruled by parliament or parliament as long as parliament doesit parliament as long as parliament does it by means of legislation , does it by means of legislation, then it can revoke any court decision. this should have been done at the time when the court of appeal made its decision against the government. already it's not something that's exceptional . it's part of the exceptional. it's part of the sovereignty of parliament and has to be done . has to be done. >> i would agree with that. >> i would agree with that. >> even that even the prime minister understands that concept. >> he talked about emergency legislation, but it's got to be revoked version of the actual decision of the court and it doesn't matter if the law is actually good in terms of that decision. >> it makes no difference. that makes no difference at all. >> and dr. arnold. dr. arnold,

can i interject ? can i interject? >> the law is it's not correct in law because as they're saying , sending people to rwanda is dangerous because they can be sent from there to there to their homeland . so what article their homeland. so what article three, they're saying this is in contravention of article three of the european convention of human rights. no, it's not. it's not because article three is in turn governed by article one, which says that you must not treat people , ill treat people treat people, ill treat people in your own jurisdiction , even in your own jurisdiction, even though britain is not supposed to maltreat people in britain. >> okay . dr. arnold, may i. may >> okay. dr. arnold, may i. may i interject at this point? dr. i'm going to interject because you have a three step plan for sorting this out, which i saw, and i'd like to make sure gb news viewers get their ears around. step one, an immediate

solution is a small boat. problem is by making it illegal for those arriving with no documentation to claim or apply for asylum in the uk. am i right ? >> absolutely 7 >> absolutely correct. and in fact, even the eu procedure . on fact, even the eu procedure. on asylum says that each member state can make up its mind where you have to apply. britain could easily have a law saying you must you cannot apply for asylum in britain. it wants you britain. you can't apply here. you've got to apply somewhere else either at either at an embassy or consulate or some other foreign country which is which is designated . another which is designated. another point is article . 31 of the point is article. 31 of the asylum of the of the refugee

convention says the only people who should be given the protection of that convention are people who have come, if they've come illegally , they they've come illegally, they have come direct only from the country where they supposedly have been oppressed and also announced themselves to the authorities in their new country straight away . now, none of that straight away. now, none of that has happened with all these people. so they're not entitled to protection . but michael, to protection. but michael, we're going to have to leave it there purely . there purely. >> dr. michael, we're going to have to leave it there. i'm afraid, strictly because of time. but please, rishi or any of your legal adviser there, google this world revocation there we go. thank you very much. that was superb. now, moving on, there's still lots more to come between now and 6 pm. i'll bring you the shocking p.m. i'll bring you the shocking story many migrants are story that many migrants are being work permits before being given work permits before their asylum claims have even been heard. but first, here's

your latest news headlines with ray addison . on ray addison. on >> thanks, martin. 5:33. our top stories . downing street says stories. downing street says emergency legislation on the rwanda scheme will be produced in the coming weeks. rwanda scheme will be produced in the coming weeks . the in the coming weeks. the government believes the changes will prevent systemic challenges to the policy . that's after the to the policy. that's after the supreme court ruled that it was unlawful. number 10 says the vast majority of people sent to kigali will stay there. but exceptional cases may be sent back to the united kingdom . lord back to the united kingdom. lord cameron has made a surprise visit to ukraine on day two of his first overseas trip as foreign secretary he travelled to the black sea port of odesa. speaking to his ukrainian counterpart, he announced more support , including the provision support, including the provision of essential winter supplies for people evacuated from front line areas . five serving people evacuated from front line areas. five serving and people evacuated from front line areas . five serving and three areas. five serving and three former met police officers are being investigated following

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report. >> thank you, ray. >> thank you, ray. >> top man. now, as we've been discussing throughout the show, james cleverly has doubled down on the government's rwanda plan, saying ministers remain absolutely determined to begin deporting migrants to rwanda before the next election . before the next election. despite the supreme court's ruling , the policy was unlawful . ruling, the policy was unlawful. but it's emerged that some of the migrants who could have been sent to the african nation if the ruling had gone the other way have instead to wait for it being given work permits. i can now speak to mike jones, who's the executive director of migration. watch this . s mike is migration. watch this. s mike is a story that simply beggars belief . can you explain how belief. can you explain how 100,000 people, many of whom came here without documentation , came here without documentation, many of whom will be living for free in hotels? they haven't been granted their asylum and yet they've now been granted the right to work. what's happening ? right to work. what's happening? well i suppose there's the macro picture here.

>> we have a legal architecture. it's very difficult for the uk government to enforce. you know, we've heard about the european court of human rights, the human rights act and the geneva convention on refugees . and convention on refugees. and obviously there's the micro picture where we have the home office that's struggling to process asylum claims . as you process asylum claims. as you know, the reasons for this are various, but essentially they're due to productivity issues, a lack of capacity, a high turnover of staff and so on, might also be due to incompetence and it might also be due to slow work rates. >> it might also be due to a reluctance to even do this job properly at all. but i just want to be absolutely clear to people watching this show that 100,000 people will be granted the right to work in britain , ian, even to work in britain, ian, even though they haven't been granted asylum and they could be anybody. they could come from anywhere. they often may have arrived without documentation. we have no idea of their of

their of their work history, of their of their work history, of their criminality , of where they their criminality, of where they came from, and yet soon, thanks to this backlog, they could be rocking up to a delivery door anywhere near you . anywhere near you. >> well, of course it creates perverse incentives . law abiding perverse incentives. law abiding citizens , law abiding migrants citizens, law abiding migrants who follow the rules essentially are punished through higher taxes , increased costs and taxes, increased costs and housing and public infrastructure . and yet those infrastructure. and yet those people who enter the uk in a sort of clandestine or illegal fashion are reward with subsidised housing. and after a year or so , they're entitled to year or so, they're entitled to work. in the uk , this just work. in the uk, this just increases the pull factor because essentially you can lead a complete life with disposable income, subsidise housing, but without following the rules . without following the rules. >> and that's precisely right. and one of these guys i'll call

him a guy. it is it is television . he was complaining television. he was complaining that he only gets £9 a week from the government. now, that's obviously a tiny amount of money, but he also gets free hotels, free board, free lodging, free phones, free laptops, a free bike, his clothes are free. and now he will get the right to work in the uk. now to me that feels desperately unfair. this feels like kind of short circuiting the system. they're not even legally allowed to stay, and yet they're legally allowed to work. how on earth is this saying we're going to stop the boats ? we're going to stop the boats? mike well, it isn't . mike well, it isn't. >> there are some people who argue that it asylum claimants should be able to work after one yeah should be able to work after one year, but you've got to look at the fiscal studies of the impact of migration and non—eea that is the european economic area . the the european economic area. the migrants from those regions are actually a net drain on the

taxpayer and that applies mostly to legal migrants. taxpayer and that applies mostly to legal migrants . yes. so the to legal migrants. yes. so the vast majority of these people coming to the uk through clandestine means or, you know, through the channel, they're going to have lower human caphal going to have lower human capital. they're not going to be a net fiscal benefit for the taxpayer . so ultimately, this a net fiscal benefit for the taxpayer. so ultimately, this is very unfair and it sends a very strong signal out there that you can actually break the law. you can actually break the law. you can pay people traffickers sums of money. you don't have to claim asylum in a third safe country. you can make your way to the uk and yet you'll still have the rights and privileges of legal migrants and, you know, british citizens and mike, we know, okay, you know, people like gary lineker might claim that most of these people are rocket scientists or lawyers or doctors, but we know, don't we studies show us and common sense dictates that most of these

people would be mostly, largely unskilled or low skilled workers. >> and therefore, 100,000 people like that coming into the job market. what's that going to do? will they increase wages or will they them ? they suppress them? >> well, obviously , you know, if >> well, obviously, you know, if you believe in the law of supply and demand, it's going to suppress wages. migrationwatch we've we've found that 60% of foreign workers in the uk and these are mostly, you know, legal citizens, working jobs that are not highly skilled. so there's a low and medium skilled jobs and obviously there's the impact on population . this impact on population. this increases the cost of land and housing. it increases the cost of public infrastructure . there of public infrastructure. there are opportunity costs. there in terms of other investments . and terms of other investments. and as you rightly point out, there's a sort of downward pressure on wages . pressure on wages. >> pressure on wages. >> okay. mike jones, the executive director of migration watch, thanks for joining us. just it just beggars belief to me. this this story. let's move

on because the final series of the crown has been released on netflix it covers the death netflix and it covers the death of diana, the princess of wales. and as you'd expect, it's provoked a controversy. i'm provoked a huge controversy. i'm martin daubney on gb news this is britain's news channel

>> the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on gb news as previously on breakfas . news as previously on breakfas. >> just what do we do now that rwanda plan has failed? for time a solution. >> stanley johnson joins us this morning. >> we do have to get immigration under control. this policy of discouragement did work in the

case of australia, we have to make it work here. >> if we had 3 or 4 years, he could perhaps make this play. >> but hasn't. >> but he hasn't. >> but he hasn't. >> he's got to in november. >> he's got to in november. >> here's grant. harold he's a man knows workings of man that knows the workings of the that is, people like the royals, that is, people like myself who are around you are aware what's true and untrue. aware of what's true and untrue. >> it'll interesting to >> and it'll be interesting to see turkey this christmas? see is it turkey this christmas? >> way go? >> the way to go? >> the way to go? >> you know, tradition isn't >> the way to go? >> �*about ow, tradition isn't >> the way to go? >> �*about presents:ion isn't just about presents and everything. about everything. it's actually about the turkey for a lot of families. >> you turkey is our >> you know, turkey is our individual isles. >> you know, turkey is our ind they|l isles. >> you know, turkey is our ind they|l isle loving family bonds >> they form loving family bonds just like we do. and they deserve peace this christmas. >> morning it's breakfast >> every morning it's breakfast from 6 am. hope can join us. >> who is it? >> who is it? >> we're here for the show. so welcome to the dinosaur hour. with me, john cleese . haha, that with me, john cleese. haha, that was married to a therapist and you survived. i thought we were getting hugh laurie second best. my getting hugh laurie second best. my bellissima. you interviewed saddam hussein. what's that like ? i was terrified. i'm playing strip poker with these three. on

no, thank you. >> my cds need to be put in alphabetical order. >> oh, are you going to be problematic again ? problematic again? >> the dinosaur for our sundays at 9:00 on gb news is. >> welcome back. it's 546. you're watching or listening from martin daubney on gb news. now there's a couple of big royal stories that i really want to get my teeth stuck into before the end of the show. in a moment, i'll talk about the controversy surrounding the sixth series of the sixth and final series of the crown, covers, of course, crown, which covers, of course, the death of diana, princess of wales. but first, royal insiders are said to be furious over the latest claims made by prince harry and meghan's biographer, omid scobie has shared an extract of his new book, endgame making claims that harry was kept in the dark about the queen's health in the hours before she passed away . the book before she passed away. the book also says there may be no going

back for the brothers, as it claims william sees harry as a defector. well join me now to discuss this is royal commentator gita da silva. thank you for joining commentator gita da silva. thank you forjoining us on the show. you for joining us on the show. so another day, another controversy surrounding harry. this time there's no going back. and scobie claims at least that harry is a threat to the crown . harry is a threat to the crown. i think that's kind of a an idealistic vision of where harry lies. >> now, in theory, on paper , >> now, in theory, on paper, when things were going well , when things were going well, harry did pose a threat because when he had public favour in the u.k, they still had this was a favourite royal. he had this lovely love story . people lovely love story. people weren't giving them the support they needed . and that's when he they needed. and that's when he posed a threat because within that, they just moved away , that, if they just moved away, kept quiet focussed on kept quiet and focussed on charitable , there would charitable efforts, there would be romanticised narrative be this romanticised narrative around two of them. and around the two of them. and people would wonder what people would always wonder what could been if only they

could have been if only they were prosper within were allowed to prosper within the but because harry the family. but because harry chose to go scorched earth with the book, with the documentary, with the netflix deals, it's kind of changed public favour. and at the end of the day, the royal family right on public favour. if don't have favour. and if you don't have it, you don't pose a threat to anyone. as it stands now within the public favour sways the uk. public favour sways more favour of family units. more in favour of family units. the opposed to harry and the firm as opposed to harry and judith. >> so one of the most concerning revelations in this book are the allegations actions around the queen anne's final hours. what details emerge in this . book details emerge in this. book from the excerpts that were obtained by people magazine in the us and then also put out by the us and then also put out by the time it was about the timelines that he first harry found out via an alert from the bbc app about her passing. >> then he had to charter a flight from luton to get to balmoral, which cost him $37,000. then there was a tug of war between his people and

buckingham palace as to when to announce that she passed and buckingham palace wouldn't wait for him to land so he could be there. he wasn't communicated with by his brother after charles had allegedly told him that meghan shouldn't come even though an aide says that kate was given the option, even though charles had told harry that kate was told not to come ehheh that kate was told not to come either. it's all about the politics of how he found out when he found out and where he was when he found out. and that's why they say that that has caused the irretrievable fracture between the two brothers. but then from different interpretations within that, you would say that what obugafion that, you would say that what obligation do people have to him when it comes to royal protocol? if you now function outside of it and you it's a what do you think the late queen would have made of where the royal family has gone, this constant bickering and this constant infighting , this very unroyal infighting, this very unroyal behaviour . infighting, this very unroyal behaviour. and we also know from

the way she conducted herself that propriety and piety were of utmost importance to her and having family mess occur, not just occur but occur public is something she would absolutely abhor. something she would absolutely abhor . and we know that she had abhor. and we know that she had abhor. and we know that she had a very close relationship with harry, and harry held her very dearly. so this is coming from a place of genuine hurt. but as far as washing the laundry and the dirty laundry in public, it's something that would be completely unsavoury to and completely unsavoury to her. and one would believe that there would be kind of would be some kind of intervention to have things called to order where she's still around and now moving on. >> juditha to the new episodes of the crown that dropped this morning. and of course, we're moving into very recent times, some believe, to recent and in particular the very disturbing memories of the death of the princess of wales. lady diana. is it too recent , do you is it too recent, do you believe, to be making a documentary like this .

documentary like this. >> um, because actually interviewed the cast just two days ago in promotion of this season and it's when they all spoke about it was sir jonathan pryce, elizabeth debicki and khalid abdalla , who plays dodi khalid abdalla, who plays dodi fayed. they said that the amount of work that peter morgan and his team put into researching this and learning about it and giving them access to information on it is something that although it is art for entertainment, it's been done diligently and when you actually because we've seen the pre press release, when you watch it, it's handled with a lot of respect . handled with a lot of respect. so as far as when you think aboutisit so as far as when you think about is it too soon, diana is an enigma because i think in 1000 years she's someone that will have this same importance and this same pertinence in the pubuc and this same pertinence in the public perception and the public mind forever. that's what made her so unique . so they'll never her so unique. so they'll never be a too early or too late. she's just diana, it's a question of how the artists choose to handle a topic that's so precious. and when you watch

it, you'll see that even though it, you'll see that even though it is triggering because everyone knows where they were when it happened, how it's done is very tasteful, i must say. >> do you believe that it's just simply disrespectful that this should never have been made ? should never have been made? okay, people, we know . so it's a okay, people, we know. so it's a fictional representation . we fictional representation. we know it's a dramatisation, at least . but do know it's a dramatisation, at least. but do you think the worry judita is that people might watch this, particularly overseas and believe this to be true? everything in the crown to be true that that is the issue that they constantly battle because people cannot create, learn, just accept the distinction between reality and fiction , reality and fiction, reality and entertainment and peter morgan and the team have never hidden the fact that we are creating entertainment for netflix . entertainment for netflix. >> so you have to accept it's not going to be biblically true, but then that lies within the consumer for you have to come to the pragmatism and a certain level of intelligence that , yes, level of intelligence that, yes, you suspend your disbelief you can suspend your disbelief to transported to a point in

to be transported to a point in time. that's all of us have had a piece of. but it isn't categorically what happened . and categorically what happened. and as far as like, is this necessary , mary, is anything in necessary, mary, is anything in entertainment truly necessary? no. but the fact is, it's when you pick a topic that triggers the public imagination, how you treat it is what has gone and how well you do so is what has made the crown such a successful series . and also because we are series. and also because we are so captivated by the royals in real life , what we get in real life, what we get in fiction is inevitably is going to be of some interest to us to some degree or some or another. yeah. >> okay. judith desilva, thanks for joining us. excellent stuff forjoining us. excellent stuff now. and lots of you have been getting in touch with with your thoughts today. thoughts on our top story today. and course, is the and that, of course, is the attack the war memorial by attack on the war memorial by pro—palestine protesters. david says war memorials are says this war memorials are sacred. the cenotaph is an empty tomb. and what those protesters were doing was on the hyde park memorial. still covered with poppy memorial. still covered with poppy wreaths desecration poppy wreaths was desecration nation. they were showing no respect for them. julian adds

this we definitely need stronger laws to protect our war memorials. if people cannot find it within themselves to respect something that should be considered sacred, then i'm afraid we have go further. afraid we have to go further. what earth has happened to what on earth has happened to this to me this country? it seems to me that more and more, this once great country is now being taken over by barbarians. okay, i'm going to leave it there. that's all from me today on this show. i am back tomorrow, early birds. i'm on breakfast. join me then. i'm on breakfast. join me then. i might sleep under the desk, but thanks for joining us. coming next is dewbs& co coming up next is dewbs& co >> good afternoon. alex burkill coming up next is dewbs& co >> gagainfternoon. alex burkill coming up next is dewbs& co >> gagain with)on. alex burkill coming up next is dewbs& co >> gagain with yourllex burkill coming up next is dewbs& co >> gagain with your latestrrkill coming up next is dewbs& co >> gagain with your latest news here again with your latest news weather forecast before we get to a drier day tomorrow , there to a drier day tomorrow, there is some rain around is still some rain around through the rest today. we through the rest of today. we have under the influence have been under the influence of a towards the south a low pressure towards the south of uk, but is now of the uk, but that is now clearing away, taking the heaviest rain and strongest winds with it. but a of winds with it. but a band of rain out towards the west is going its eastwards going to push its way eastwards as we through this evening as we go through this evening and overnight, bringing outbreaks many, outbreaks of rain. for many, these be heavy for some these could be heavy for some and perhaps even little bit of

and perhaps even a little bit of thunder towards the north—east and perhaps even a little bit of th|this. ' towards the north—east and perhaps even a little bit of th|this. some ds the north—east and perhaps even a little bit of th|this. some drier,e north—east and perhaps even a little bit of th|this. some drier, clearer-east of this. some drier, clearer weather be some fog and weather could be some fog and perhaps of frost perhaps a touch of frost here. elsewhere behind rain, elsewhere behind the rain, clearer skies allowing temperatures take a bit of temperatures to take a bit of a dip prone spots could fall below freezing. and we're likely to see some fog, perhaps even some freezing thing freezing fog first thing on friday as we go through friday morning as we go through friday morning as we go through friday itself, though, it's looking like a largely dry day. a showers quite likely, a few showers quite likely, particularly morning particularly during the morning towards but towards more western areas, but into the afternoon, it's looking largely dry with plenty sunny largely dry with plenty of sunny skies around , starting to skies around, but starting to turn cloudier , wetter and turn cloudier, wetter and windier towards the southwest. later on, temperatures for many will be a touch higher than today, ranging from around 8 or 9 towards the to north 11 or 12 celsius towards the south. a wet and windy picture, though , as we and windy picture, though, as we go into the weekend. heavy rain, some the wettest some strong winds. the wettest weather likely to be initially towards the west, but will sweep its eastwards as we go its way eastwards as we go through saturday. and there will be showery rain to come be further showery rain to come on temperatures be further showery rain to come on picking temperatures be further showery rain to come on picking up temperatures be further showery rain to come on picking up fortemperatures be further showery rain to come on picking up for saturday jres are picking up for saturday there, dropping it down again

mid should there have been? should it be illegal to climb all over these memorials and disrespect them in this way? you tell me. and ulez les low emission zones, clean air zones, whatever you want to call them. quite frankly, they are popping up absolutely everywhere . let's up absolutely everywhere. let's face it, we know by now that's because they've become a cash cow milking us motorists to help prop up failing councils who don't seem able to manage the basics of a balance sheet . basics of a balance sheet. anyway, good news. some common sense at last, because over in stoke on trent, the council have apparently ruled them out. good should more follow suit or not? and did you see this week the youngest member of the house of lords made her maiden speech. she has been given a life peerage. now, i don't mean to be