after being deemed employment after being deemed fit to work could soon lose their state handouts. we'll have their state handouts. we'll have the latest . suppress the free the latest. suppress the free press. that was the chance pro palestine protesters aimed at gb news patrick christys as he attended a rally in the labour constituency of bethnal green last night outside the labour party office. let's take a listen . why.7 why party office. let's take a listen . why? why are you here? listen. why? why are you here? >> shame on you . shame on you. >> shame on you. shame on you. shame on you . shame on you. >> so a bumper show today with so many stories. and of course, it would be nothing without your views and opinions. get in touch. you know how by now. vaiews@gbnews.com. that's the address to email. i want to hear what you make of all the stories we discuss today . but before all we discuss today. but before all of that, here's your very latest news headlines with tatiana .

news headlines with tatiana. >> tom, thank you very much and good morning. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the former home secretary says the prime minister's plan to deport migrants to rwanda will fail unless he opts out of the european convention on human rights >> will the prime minister rescue the rwanda plan? >> mrs. braverman suella braverman , who was sacked this braverman, who was sacked this week, says the proposed new treaty and legislation are simply a tweaked version of the failed plan. >> a writing in the telegraph she set out what she's calling her five tests to ensure deportation flights can take off. mrs. braverman says rishi sunak's proposal will get bogged down in the courts, but the transport secretary, mark harper, says the government won't be stopped. >> when you set out very clearly in primary legislation, the rules and that parliament sets out a very clear for interpretation . as the prime interpretation. as the prime minister says, we're going to do

it. when he made his announcement on wednesday, then actually the courts do actually respect that. but and as far as overseas courts are concerned, the prime minister has made it clear that we're not going to let overseas courts stand in our way. we're going to set out the rules very carefully. we're going conclude that treaty going to conclude that treaty with rwanda, take that legislation parliament legislation through parliament and continue our plan to 12 and continue with our plan to 12 year old boys charged with the murder of a 19 year old man are due to appear in court. >> sean zahawi was attacked in wolverhampton on on monday night. he died at the scene. the children who cannot be named because of their age, have also been charged with possession of a bladed article read . retail a bladed article read. retail sales have unexpectedly fallen, dropping to their lowest level since the pandemic. the office for national statistics says retail sales volumes dipped o.3% retail sales volumes dipped 0.3% last month and lists had expected a rise. retail figures blame the cost of living reduced footfall and wet . weather, £83

footfall and wet. weather, £83 billion has been promised to fix what the prime minister has described as the scourge of potholes. the funding for road maintenance in england will be available to local authorities over the next decade. the money was saved by scrapping the hs2 rail line north of birmingham for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website, gbnews.com. now it's back to . tom thanks , tatiana. back to. tom thanks, tatiana. >> now the former home secretary suella braverman says the prime minister's plan to deport migrants to rwanda will fail unless he opts out of the european convention of human rights and similar international obligations. this comes as the chancellor, jeremy hunt, says there's no guarantee deportation flights to rwanda will take off next year. now, is he the first of many conservatives who may back down from the government's

position? let's have a listen to what he had to say. >> we are hopeful that because of the solutions that the prime minister announced, we will be able to get flights off to rwanda next year. able to get flights off to rwanda next year . we can't rwanda next year. we can't guarantee that . we have to pass guarantee that. we have to pass legislation, emergency legislation, emergency legislation , action in the house legislation, action in the house of commons. we have to sign a new international treaty with rwanda. but our commitment to the british people is that although the supreme court ruling was a setback , we will ruling was a setback, we will not allow anything to get in the way of delivering the prime minister's pledge to secure our borders by stopping the boats . borders by stopping the boats. >> that was the chancellor, jeremy hunt, speaking earlier there. i'm delighted to be joined now in the studio by the conservative mp philip davies, and by our political correspondent olivia utley . correspondent olivia utley. philip, let's start with you . i philip, let's start with you. i suppose the chancellor had to be a little bit equivocal in his words, because there is no guarantee that this legislation that this treaty, that this will

all go through parliament in time for the spring. >> no, exactly. i mean, the problem the government has, of course, is it doesn't have a majority in the house of lords and therefore, even though the government can can make things government can can make things go quickly through the house of commons, it can't do same commons, it can't do the same through the of lords. it through the house of lords. it doesn't majority do doesn't have a majority to do so. so have to put pressure so. so we have to put pressure on the lords sort of go along on the lords to sort of go along with this and that we don't with this and say that we don't want them be unelected want them to be the unelected house stop what the public house to stop what the public clearly want. but we can't guarantee that because of that lack you know, lack of majority. so, you know, we have to be honest with people. >> the conservative party only holds one third of the seats of the house of lords, but has been in power one form or another for the last 13 years. is there an argument that what the labour party has been saying for a few years now, now that what the liberal democrat party has been saying for decades now , is there saying for decades now, is there an argument for reforming the way that the house of lords work for making it more democratic ? for making it more democratic? >> to be honest, if it were down

to me, i'd abolish the house of lords, to be perfectly honest. i don't think they serve any particular useful purpose. you've bunch you've basically got a bunch of left stooges there who left wing stooges in there who who they would they who basically they would they would say they do a vital work of scrutinising legislation , of of scrutinising legislation, of revising legislation. i'm sure they do, but they should leave. we should do that job properly in the house commons, to be in the house of commons, to be honest. effect, we don't do honest. in effect, we don't do ourjob properly in honest. in effect, we don't do our job properly in the honest. in effect, we don't do ourjob properly in the house of commons leave to the commons and leave it to the lords. let's rid the lords. let's get rid of the lords. let's get rid of the lords. make sure do lords. let's make sure we do that job properly and be my solution to the to problem. solution to the to the problem. you government has you know, the government has got that whether like that restraint whether we like it of the house of it or not, of the house of lords. i don't actually think there's a million miles between what saying, what suella braverman saying, which agree with which i would broadly agree with and sunak saying. to and what rishi sunak saying. to be perfectly i don't. be perfectly honest, i don't. i don't see a million miles between them. they both saying we to whatever takes we need to do whatever it takes to up and to get this policy up and running and to get it delivered. i think they're pretty much on the a similar well, the on a similar page. well, let's utley now let's bring in olivia utley now because what the what the former home secretary has said in the

telegraph is really her second big attack on rishi sunak. >> and he's asking for some pretty extraordinary things to disapply many international obugafions disapply many international obligations with what are called notwithstanding clauses . notwithstanding clauses. >> well, exactly. essentially a way to circumvent the supreme court's ruling. i mean , the court's ruling. i mean, the question that i think lots of telegraph readers seeing this piece and gb news viewers watching this will wonder is if she knows exactly how to fix this problem, why is she writing it in the telegraph four days after resigning as the home secretary? why didn't she think that this was all going to be coming the line and put coming down the line and put some plans in place? think her some plans in place? i think her argument spoken to some argument and i've spoken to some of her allies would be that she did she tried to these did she tried to raise these issues, but prime minister issues, but the prime minister just didn't to sunak just didn't listen to her. sunak allies say that's not the case. she simply wasn't competent enough to manage to get what she wanted to do across. so i think this battle between the two of them is going to keep going on. and what's tricky for rishi

sunakis and what's tricky for rishi sunak is while she was on the front benches, she obviously couldn't criticise the government at all from back government at all from the back benches. much can. and benches. she very much can. and there are a number of mps who she hen she brings with her. >> interesting because the >> it's interesting because the government keeps saying we expected preparing for expected or were preparing for this sort of supreme court outcome and we've done all the legwork. we've almost written this treaty already. it's this new treaty already. it's going to be ready within days. well was all well surely that was all happening suella braverman happening under suella braverman . well, absolutely. >> also, you sort of wonder, >> and also, you sort of wonder, why did it get to the supreme court if they knew that they were going in the were going to fail in the supreme which appears to supreme court, which appears to be i mean, reading between the lines government lines is what government ministers have saying ministers have been saying recently. let recently. why did they let themselves position themselves get into a position where would to where they would be about to fail in supreme court? why fail in the supreme court? why has sunak been saying all has rishi sunak been saying all year over again that year over and over again that he's to stop he's going to be able to stop the by the end of the the boats by the end of the year? only to be caught on the hop now on mid november, getting towards end november with towards the end of november with a which everyone a court ruling which everyone seems was very seems to think was very predictable, essentially predictable, which essentially says you've got to go to says you've got to go back to square says you've got to go back to squwell, let's have a look at

says you've got to go back to squ reaction 's have a look at says you've got to go back to squ reaction 's ha\the look at says you've got to go back to squ reaction 's ha\the widerit the reaction from the wider conservative now, because conservative party now, because there's a tweet that caught my eye from the former eye last night from the former immigration minister, damian green, a conservative. now, he says of suella bravermans five tests, the second test. now, this is the one about disapplying courts about the notwithstanding clauses to disapply the echr and other international obligations. he says that is the most unco conservative statement i have ever heard from a conservative politician . he says giving the politician. he says giving the state the explicit power to override every legal constraint is what putin or president g would do . philip davies your would do. philip davies your reaction to that? >> well, i don't agree with damian green about it, about this, to be perfectly honest. i think that what suella is saying is that we need to do whatever it takes to sort out this problem, which is pretty much what the prime minister said. and just following on from olivia's i mean, olivia's point, i mean, people might reflect that suella might also reflect that suella braverman being braverman apart from being the home shshe

home secretary under shshe and under truss was also the under liz truss was also the attorney general for two years under johnson, who under boris johnson, who obviously role to obviously had a big role to play. surprising that play. so it's surprising that given she knows what needs given that she knows what needs to it out, it to be done to sort it out, it wasn't done. it wasn't done then. but i think damian then. but i think i think damian is wrong. but i what it is wrong. but i think what it does highlight is the fact that there is not majority in there is not a majority in parliament do things like parliament to do things like leave the echr there isn't leave the echr there just isn't a majority. i'd love to leave the european human the european court of human rights. it's a joke rights. i think it's a joke court, be perfectly honest. court, to be perfectly honest. but majority to do but there isn't a majority to do it. and so rishi sunak as prime minister has got to work within the constraints of of what the constraints of the of what he's in parliament. he's got in parliament. i think where we may end up, we may end up is in a situation where we fight the next election. on delivering on what suella braverman her paper, delivering on what suella braverlran her paper, delivering on what suella braveri think her paper, delivering on what suella braveri think the her paper, delivering on what suella braveri think the prime' paper, delivering on what suella braveri think the prime minister which i think the prime minister broadly i mean, he broadly supports. i mean, he said to ignore said we're going to ignore rulings from foreign courts. so i not really miles i mean, they're not really miles away. think we may fight the away. i think we may fight the next on that to sort next election on that to sort this get every this out and get every conservative candidate say , conservative candidate to say, you will up to this or you you will sign up to this or you will conservative will not be a conservative candidate the next election. candidate at the next election. >> i mean, that's basically what

bofis >> i mean, that's basically what boris did in 2019 when boris johnson did in 2019 when no of brexit could get no version of brexit could get through passed the commons or indeed lords. what indeed passed the lords. what the conservative party did then was right, this is our plan was say, right, this is our plan . we're going to go to the .we're going to go to the country. country to country. the country is going to endorse then we're endorse it and then we're going to the eu that way. that's to leave the eu that way. that's what are you what happened. are you suggesting similar suggesting that a similar strategy would be, look, we're trying deal with illegal trying to deal with with illegal immigration? is immigration? the lords is blocking courts are blocking us, the courts are blocking us, the courts are blocking here's our plan. blocking us. here's our plan. let's the country on the let's go to the country on the bafis let's go to the country on the basis that plan and the basis of that plan and hope the country endorse yes, but country endorse you. yes, but you'd have situation you'd have to have a situation where each conservative candidate pledged they where each conservative candid supportiged they where each conservative candid support that they where each conservative candid support that because would support that because otherwise you'd back in otherwise you'd end up back in the situation. the same situation. >> like damian green >> if people like damian green and acolytes to and his acolytes refuse to support it. you'd have to support it. so you'd have to have part of their have that as part of their promise as being being promise as being for being a conservative candidate >> how many people >> i wonder how many people would on the of would vote on the basis of promises rather than delivery. it might work once. whether it would work second time over is would work a second time over is a question. but there's more a big question. but there's more going because get back going on today because get back to . that's the message from to work. that's the message from the government in a major

benefits shake up free prescriptions and legal aid could be cut off for benefit claimants if they're deemed fit to work and are not seeking employment. the chancellor, jeremy hunt, has said the measures were necessary to prevent anyone from choosing to coast on the hard work of taxpayers from receiving benefits. well paul philip davies, what are your thoughts on this? i suppose some people would think why isn't this the case already? >> yeah , well, it's a very good >> yeah, well, it's a very good question. i mean, to be honest, this is going back pretty much to the regime that iain duncan smith introduced when he was secretary of state for work and pensions. obviously esther secretary of state for work and penrthes. obviously esther secretary of state for work and penrthe employment sly esther secretary of state for work and penrthe employment ministerr secretary of state for work and penrthe employment minister at was the employment minister at the had this kind the time. and they had this kind of effect, it of system where in effect, it was if you were unemployed, was your if you were unemployed, it was your full time job to find a job. there was no sort of loafing idling about. find a job. there was no sort of loafiif] idling about. find a job. there was no sort of loafiif you idling about. find a job. there was no sort of loafiif you didn't idling about. find a job. there was no sort of loafiif you didn't spend] about. find a job. there was no sort of loafiif you didn't spend all out. find a job. there was no sort of loafiif you didn't spend all oft. and if you didn't spend all of your looking for a job, your time looking for a job, you'd be sanctioned. and it seems that covid stopped all seems that the covid stopped all of stopped of that. we stopped all conditionality . conditionality. >> talking these >> and we're talking about these millions are millions of people who are supposedly on long term sickness

now. and to me that now. and it seems to me that a lot of parties in the house of commons will say, oh, it's terrible. we've these terrible. we've got all these very sick people in the country without wanting to look beyond the and say, hang the headline data and say, hang on, they actually sick? on, are they actually sick? >> exactly. that's >> exactly. exactly. and that's and to go back to i and we need to go back to i mean, when introduced sort mean, when the introduced sort of pip that was about having face to face assessment, personal independence payment, personal independence payment, personal independence payment, personal independence payments, personal independence payment, persorwhich ependence payments, personal independence payment, persorwhich wasidence payments, personal independence payment, persorwhich was about payments, personal independence payment, persorwhich was about having nts, which which was about having make sure you had face to face assessments to sure that assessments to make sure that people they weren't fit people who said they weren't fit to weren't fit to to work genuinely weren't fit to work. lost all that work. and we lost all of that conditionality during the lockdowns this lockdowns when all of this stopped. effect, what it stopped. so, in effect, what it seems the government is seems to me the government is doing is doing quite rightly, is reintroducing the sort of regime that had as that iain duncan smith had as secretary of state to make sure that we you know, we've got all these people economic these people who are economic inactive time as inactive at the same time as a million vacancies, and that million job vacancies, and that we can't allow that to continue. and yet olivia, the and yet olivia, this morning the labour saying that this labour party is saying that this is crucial that government is crucial that the government shouldn't take away free prescriptions , shouldn't take prescriptions, shouldn't take away from people who away health care from people who are out of work.

>> is that a message that will land? >> well, i suspect that i don't know for a fact. i suspect it's a message that won't land. i think that the government has calculated that there are more tax payers in this country than there benefits claimants. there are benefits claimants. and about those and on the just about those tax payers don't seem to have a huge amount sympathy for those who amount of sympathy for those who are to work. but aren't are fit to work. but aren't doing a job. i think that's that's the key issue. the wider problem forjeremy hunt is that problem for jeremy hunt is that he has all of these measures to get people back into work. but will it make that much of a difference to the economy? okay you of people you have a handful of people who are fit to work are on benefits not fit to work going into the workplace going back into the workplace because of this. you have perhaps more mothers going back into because free into work because of the free childcare ultimately childcare option. but ultimately , have a very, very , when you have a very, very high you have at high tax burden as you have at the jeremy hunt the moment, jeremy hunt introduced these sort of stealth taxes. people in paying taxes. so now people in paying the top rate band of tax are actually not really earning that much at all. very, very high tax burden is ultimately a disincentive to work. so all

these tinkering around the edges might not make that much of a difference. >> it's about five times as many people now paying that very top rate tax compared to when it rate of tax compared to when it was introduced, which is a fascinating of fiscal drag fascinating sort of fiscal drag effect of inflation. but but i wonder, there has been criticism of these assessments that the government make of whether people are fit to work or not. in the past, that sometimes the government isn't that good at assessing. they'll they'll say some are not fit to work some people are not fit to work who are and say some who are and they'll say some people are fit to work who aren't. >> t- w- t— t and i think that's >> exactly. and i think that's the in situation like the problem in a situation like this. you just can't afford to have few people slipping have even a few people slipping through and that is through the net. and that is what happens in a in a of what happens in a in a sort of labyrinthine this. labyrinthine system like this. there bound to be, you know, there are bound to be, you know, human error. human is human error. human error is understood. a understood. but if you're in a situation where someone who is physically incapable of working, someone pain someone who is in too much pain to on an nhs to work, who's been on an nhs waiting two years, waiting list for two years, waiting list for two years, waiting for operation and is waiting for an operation and is unable get benefits unable to get their benefits because up in the because of a slip up in the system, then you do end up in a very sort of cruel setting for

those people and then there will be criticism. be serious criticism. >> i wonder, i wonder if one >> but i wonder, i wonder if one of mechanisms for writing of the mechanisms for writing thatis of the mechanisms for writing that is going see local that is going to see local members of parliament. i don't know that know if you've had casework that involves have involves people who might have been sanctioned, perhaps improperly, and i wouldn't expect to go into the expect you to go into the details any case. but details of any case. but i suppose there is in round suppose there is in the round that people feel that option for people who feel they've by to go they've been hard done by to go to mp to seek redress. to their mp to seek redress. >> yeah, i mean, olivia's right. there are mistakes made on initially assessment. the government say government would often say that's people didn't that's because people didn't come all the come with armed with all the information that when they information and that when they appeal the decision and they provide certificates , etcetera, doctors certificates, etcetera, that their appeal then is successful. and the issue is not bringing all the information to bear to start with. but this isn't just good for taxpayers and this is also about the people who are not working. i mean, actually, we've been danger and the left often in this country in danger is just writing off people. so actually, there's millions of people out there's millions of people out there and we're just going to write them off. we're just going to say don't to work. to say they don't need to work. we're going to bother with

we're not going to bother with them. cheap them. we'll bring in cheap labour abroad to do jobs labour from abroad to do jobs that people that actually these people are capable actually, why capable of doing. actually, why should we write off people? i mean, actually, we want these people to actually be ready to work, be a position where work, to be in a position where they and actually with they can work. and actually with with the dignity work with all the dignity that work bnngs with all the dignity that work brings. don't think it's brings. so i don't think it's just for taxpayers. i think just good for taxpayers. i think it's for the people it's good for the people themselves they can themselves that they can actually a job get the actually get a job and get the benefits of work. >> very >> certainly it's a very interesting policy proposal because not just because i suppose it's not just about economics this. about the economics of this. this just getting this isn't just about getting people work. there is people back to work. there is some politics going on here too. i suppose. in 2015, the conservatives if conservatives found that if there's a where some there's a street where some people are working and some people are working and some people aren't, people , people people aren't, people, people who on low incomes would who are on low incomes would feel pretty aggrieved if people living next door to them are living next door to them are living the same sort of lifestyle, but without getting out of bed every morning. >> well, absolutely. there has to be an incentive to go to work and pay your taxes. and obviously there a problem in obviously there is a problem in this at the moment in this country at the moment in certain the uk, certain cities in the uk, manchester, liverpool being among , one fifth of working

among them, one fifth of working age people who are fit to work are not working. now, you know, thatis are not working. now, you know, that is a serious, serious issue. some of them may have problems that that prevent them from working, but there are certainly others who probably could be working. and the assessments need to be bit assessments need to be a bit clearer that. i think this clearer on that. so i think this is, you know, a conservative policy. you can see why the government is introducing it. the only issue is if the government systems them government systems let them down. a few people slip through the and then you have the cracks and then you have some pretty awful stories. yeah. >> pieces some pretty awful stories. yeah. >> bad pieces some pretty awful stories. yeah. >>bad press pieces some pretty awful stories. yeah. >> bad press that pieces some pretty awful stories. yeah. >>bad press that have pieces some pretty awful stories. yeah. >>bad press that have in3ieces some pretty awful stories. yeah. >>bad press that have in the as of bad press that have in the past perhaps scuppered the government or at least created some consternation in there. let's move on to one extra story now because pro—palestine protest that caused chaos, yet again in london last night. this one in the labour constituency of bethnal green outside the labour party office. yes, well, let's take a look at how gb news presenter patrick christys was welcomed when he arrived and when he asked why they're

protesting . why are you ? shame protesting. why are you? shame on you. >> shame on you. why you ? shame >> shame on you. why you? shame on you. tell me why. >> you know why you're here. >> you know why you're here. >> what do you think? why do you feel so strongly? >> what do you think ? >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> work it out. you need to stop harassing the community. >> i believe you need to go. please i know it's a free place, but what it is, you're harassing our community. >> someone with a megaphone. there shouting at patrick christys saying you are harassing our community. now i don't know if any impartial observers would would think otherwise, but i can't help but thinking that if there was anyone harassing anyone in that clip, it was the man with the megaphone . philip davies. we did megaphone. philip davies. we did see officer in the see a police officer in the background there. do you think the police have got the balance right when comes to policing right when it comes to policing these protests? >> no, no, i don't. and look, that i mean, i'm all for people having the right to protest. there's a million ways in which

you can protest. you do not need to be in a mob outside an mps office, which is designed to be intimidate free. it's designed to be threatening that is not and to me that is not to be threatening that is not acceptable. that is not acceptable. that is not acceptable. you can protest. i've lots of constituents i've got lots of my constituents have me. i've got a very have emailed me. i've got a very high muslim population . my high muslim population. my constituency is part of bradford . they've emailed me with their views. of the have views. some of the messages have been unsavoury, but been pretty unsavoury, but they're perfectly if you want to protest against your mps protest against what your mps are can them are in, you can email them and tell what think. you do tell them what you think. you do not need to stand like that, like a mob intimidating and threatening local member threatening a local member of parliament police should parliament and the police should not happen. not allow that to happen. i mean, can't say that that's mean, you can't say that that's anything intimidatory anything other than intimidatory and . and for me, and threatening. and for me, that's not acceptable. do you feel safe as a member of parliament in this environment ? parliament in this environment? >> only a couple of >> because it's only a couple of years ago of your years ago that one of your colleagues was murdered colleagues was was murdered by an terrorist because of an islamist terrorist because of his views on on foreign policy. now, this was a protest against a labour mp because she didn't

vote the way the mob wanted her to vote . to vote. >> i have felt less safe in my constituent over the last few weeks, probably for the first time ever in i got selected as the candidate for shipley over 20 years ago. it's the first time i've ever felt nervous about being in my constituency . about being in my constituency. ihave about being in my constituency. i have had some very unpleasant emails. a man was. i did spend a night in police custody based on one of the emails that he sent to me about two weeks ago. it has been quite nasty. to me about two weeks ago. it has been quite nasty . see to me about two weeks ago. it has been quite nasty. see some of the messages that have been sent completely unnecessary and ihave sent completely unnecessary and i have felt more nervous about it than than ever before. and it's not acceptable. i'm quite a robust character, but it's not acceptable, really. >> no, it is. it is fascinating, olivia, because outside of parliament we saw these big protests. we both got messages from the house of commons authorities saying make sure you leave through different exits at a time like this. i mean, there is a level of intimidation going on. >> yeah, and i think that's the

problem. that's what i've been heanng problem. that's what i've been hearing when i've been talking to people on the streets. i've been reporting on these palestinian protests and i've been trying to chat to people surrounding protest. and surrounding the protest. and what hearing that what i keep hearing is that almost totally respects almost everyone totally respects the speech, but they the freedom of speech, but they are getting worried that freedom of speech is now interfering with their freedom to their with their freedom to live their ordinary lives and i think at some point that balance is going to get under the spotlight a little bit. and mark rowley, last week, a commissioner met commissioner decided that it was safe to go ahead with that protest . and he probably just protest. and he probably just about made the right call there. everything was, if not completely peaceful. then at least the two minute silence at the cenotaph was observed in a dignified but as the dignified manner. but as the weeks on, there is no sign weeks wear on, there is no sign of these protests being cancelled or abating any time soon. at what point will that balance for freedom of speech versus freedom to live your ordinary life? start weighing up the other way? >> and it does seem that there are elements of intimidation at these marches. it does that

these marches. it does seem that there elements not there are elements now, not everyone this march everyone who goes on this march is who is a hamas is someone who is a hamas sympathiser or of course, not everyone these everyone who goes on these marches someone who wants marches is someone who wants to see violence. a of these see violence. a lot of these people a very deep seated people have a very deep seated view violence in the middle view that violence in the middle east is bad. but just finally, philip davies at what point does the police need to step up its policing and make sure that the violent elements within these crowds are properly taken care of? >> yeah, they need to be much more proactive in actually calling out and arresting people who are breaking the law. i mean, there was last weekend, there was a ridiculous situation where they put out a picture of two people who whose faces were completely from completely covered apart from their said, we're their rise and said, we're wanting to identify why these two people criminal two people for criminal activity. mean, earth activity. i mean, who on earth is able to identify? is going to be able to identify? well arrested them at the time it it all. it says it all. >> philip davies and >> well, philip davies and olivia thank much olivia utley, thank you so much for those for talking through those stories. much more to stories. still much more to come, more on suella come, not least more on suella braverman this. braverman after this. >> good morning, alex burkill braverman after this. >> gagainlorning, alex burkill braverman after this. >> gagainlorning, allatest kill braverman after this. >> gagainlorning, allatest gb here again with your latest gb news forecast. whilst news weather forecast. whilst the is looking wet and

the weekend is looking wet and windy us today is windy for many of us today is actually going to be largely dry. bit of a chilly dry. it is a bit of a chilly start for some of us. there's some frost around, also some patches fog, but patches of mist and fog, but a lot of dry weather, just a few showers through the morning across some parts of western england wales as well, england and into wales as well, though ease as we go though these will ease as we go through afternoon. for through the afternoon. so for many largely and many looking largely dry and plenty turning plenty of sunshine turning cloudier south—west, cloudier towards the south—west, though, rain though, ahead of some rain arriving later. temperatures around little bit below around are a little bit below average year. average for the time of year. many places staying in single figures milder towards the south—west this wet and windy south—west as this wet and windy weather then pushes its way in thatis weather then pushes its way in that is going bring some that is going to bring some unsettled weather through the night. it's also to lift night. it's also going to lift our temperatures. so after an initially chilly start to the night, is to be quite a night, it is going to be quite a bit milder by time we head bit milder by the time we head towards on saturday towards dawn on saturday morning. it going to be a morning. but it is going to be a wet and windy picture many wet and windy picture for many of we wake up. the of us when we wake up. the heaviest to be heaviest rain likely to be across parts of the across some parts of the south—west and here with saturated already , we're saturated ground already, we're likely some issues with likely to see some issues with the for some flooding. the potential for some flooding. also disruption to travel.

also more disruption to travel. but the heaviest those but the heaviest rain and those strong clear away strong winds will clear away towards the east as we go through the day with something perhaps brighter perhaps a bit drier and brighter following but few following in behind, but a few showers . and look those showers. and look at those temperatures, highs around temperatures, highs of around 15 or we into or 16 celsius as we go into sunday. and it's going to be a showery day. so there'll be some dner showery day. so there'll be some drier in between drier spells in between those heavy still windy heavy showers, but still windy and temperatures down a touch. bye have bye bye. have

very good morning. >> it's 10 am. on friday. the 17th of november. and this is britain's newsroom here on gb news. my name is tom harwood. and here's what's coming up today. the rwanda treaty will fail . the home secretary, suella fail. the home secretary, suella braverman, declared that no asylum seekers will be sent to rwanda before the next election. in her view , too soft on drugs. in her view, too soft on drugs. a conservative police and crime commissioner slams enforcement laws around class b and c drugs as quotes pathetically weak. we'll debate that . suppress the we'll debate that. suppress the free press. that was the chance propelling stein protesters aimed at gb news very own patrick christys as he attended a rally in the labour constituency of bethnal green last night. let's take a listen . last night. let's take a listen. why? why are you here? >> shame on you. shame on you. shame on you .

shame on you. >> and of course, this show is nothing without you. we want your thoughts, your opinions, your thoughts, your opinions, your views on all of the stories we're discussing today. gb views at cbnnews.com is the address to email into. we'll be getting to those just after the news headunes those just after the news headlines with tatiana . headlines with tatiana. >> tom, thank you. it's 10:00. >> tom, thank you. it's10:00. this is the latest from the newsroom . the former home newsroom. the former home secretary says the prime minister's plan to deport migrants to rwanda will fail unless he opts out of the european convention on human rights >> will the prime minister rescue the rwanda plan? mrs. braverman, celebrate ? braverman, celebrate? >> hayman, who was sacked this week, says the proposed new treaty in legislation seen is simply a tweaked version of the failed plan. a writing in the telegraph, she set out what she's calling her five tests to

ensure deportation flights can take off. mrs. braverman says rishi sunaks proposal will get bogged down in the courts, but the transport secretary, mark harper, says the government won't be stopped . won't be stopped. >> when you set out very clearly in primary legislation the rules and that parliament sets out a very clear internal irritation as the prime minister says we're going to do. when he made his announcement on wednesday, then actually the courts do actually respect that. but and as far as overseas courts are concerned, the prime minister has made it clear that we're not going to let overseas courts stand in our way . we're going to set out the way. we're going to set out the rules very carefully. we're going that treaty going to conclude that treaty with rwanda, take that legislation through parliament and with our plan . to and continue with our plan. to 12 year old boys charged with murder of a 19 year old man are due to appear in court. >> sean csi was attacked in wolverhampton on monday night. he died at the scene . the he died at the scene. the children, who cannot be named because of their age, have also been charged with possession of

a bladed article . rita sales a bladed article. rita sales have unexpectedly fallen , have unexpectedly fallen, dropping to their lowest level since the pandemic. the office for national statistics says retail sales volumes dipped 03% last month. analysts had expected a rise. retailers blame the cost of living reduced footfall and wet weather. the sir keir starmer will pledge to make britain a clean energy superpower . that labour leaders superpower. that labour leaders in aberdeen, where he'll tell industry bosses he'll support up to 50,000 jobs in scotland if his party wins the next election . his visit comes at the end of a challenging week, suffering a major rebellion over his position on the war in gaza. gb news understands there's concern within the party of a growing rift between sir keir and the scottish labour leader anas sarwar. msps look likely to back an amendment in holyrood next week calling for a ceasefire .

week calling for a ceasefire. £83 billion has been promised to fix what the prime minister has described as the scourge of potholes . the funding for road potholes. the funding for road maintenance in england will be available to local authorities over the next decade. the money was saved by scrapping the hs2 rail line north of birmingham. pothole campaigner mark murrell, also known as mr pothole, says the investment isn't enough. >> road users have been battered in terms of costs. you know, tens of billions of pounds in all sorts of taxation, very little being spent on our roads. i mean with this extra funding when it fully comes on stream, it will only bring it back up to what they were spending in 2019. and that's you know, 50% of what was being spent in 2006. so you know, if you're allowed for inflation, we should put in nearly 6 or £7 billion a year. not you know, £2 billion is going offered over the going to be offered over the next 11 years. >> rat infested bedford prison has been issued with an urgent nofice has been issued with an urgent notice to improve . inspectors notice to improve. inspectors found inmates are being held in

mouldy cells with broken windows for up to 23 hours a day. levels of violence against staff in the last month were also the highest of any adult male prison in the country and recorded self—harm. the third highest rate. it's the fifth jail to be given an urgent noficein fifth jail to be given an urgent notice in the last 12 months , notice in the last 12 months, new draft guidance for the nhs says women should be offered talking therapy to combat symptoms of menopause. that's alongside or instead of hormone replacement therapy . better replacement therapy. better advice will also be offered about the risks and the benefits of hrt cognitive behavioural therapy is also being suggested to help with hot flushes and sleep and mood changes. the health watchdog says the move will give women more choice . but will give women more choice. but menopause specialist dr. louise newson has called the update disappointing . this is gb news disappointing. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car,

on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . tom news. now back to. tom >> thank you, tatiana. now let's have a little look at what you've all been saying at home, because jim has written in to talk about the rwanda scheme, saying, what is the point of the rwanda plan? we've got 55,000 illegals in four star hotels, booths even if the scheme got the go ahead, we're talking about a few hundred people now, jim, i think the government would say to that that they want it as a deterrent rather than a means to get rid of 55,000 people. but think you have a people. but i think you have a point there. sometimes they don't sound like that's what they mean. derek suella is they mean. derek says suella is saying you have to take extra judicial powers bypass the judicial powers to bypass the courts by declaring a state of emergency or you can never stop the boats . and yes, and that's the boats. and yes, and that's caused some consternation on the conservative benches with some conservatives saying just ignonng conservatives saying just ignoring courts would be an ignoring the courts would be an

unconservative thing to do. alison has written in to say anyone who sends threatening messages to mps should be kicked out . and that's after, of out. and that's after, of course, that mob descends on a labour constituency office last night. of course the immigration minister, robert jenrick has said people found to be supporting hamas will be removed from the country if they're not british citizens . so let's see british citizens. so let's see if that goes any further there. and ginny has written in to say, surely if we're to get fraudulent benefit claimants back to work, you need sufficient civil servants at their desks to process that policy. and of course, the level of civil service members at work has been a member has been a point of consternation, not least because this week the government has said civil servants now must come into the office at least three days a week. so maybe that's addressing some of your concerns, ginny. but we're going to move on now because is on the week. rishi

sunak vowed to get his rwanda scheme back on track and stop the boats. gb news can reveal this morning that around 1000 people have crossed in small boats in recent days . a break in boats in recent days. a break in the weather. at the beginning of the weather. at the beginning of the week and again yesterday we saw around 20 small boats make the crossing from france. let's go now to gb news home and security editor mark white, who is in dover with this breaking news for us. mark i think this just shows, tom, that whatever the government says about the fact that small boat crossing numbers are down compared to last year, and that is true . last year, and that is true. >> they're down about a third. and any time there is actually decent weather out in the channel decent weather out in the channel, these boats will keep coming and i think those that are keeping channel watchers believe that the reduction in the number of small boats crossing the english channel is down to the fact that we've had very unpredictable weather for

most of the last year, really with northerly winds blowing a lot of the time, which makes it difficult for these boats to get across from france to push off in the first place. but as i say, when those weather conditions improve, as they did yesterday day and as they did at the beginning of the week and again today, the weather conditions are pretty good out in the channel and our intelligence is that a number of boats will all be, according to contacts we have on the other side of the channel and kicking off from those beaches in france later on today to try to make it across to uk waters. so that's a thousand at least so far this week. and we are right in the middle of winter now. well into november. and still the boats keep coming . keep coming. >> tom, it's extraordinary because the government has been saying that it's got this multi pronged approach , not least pronged approach, not least rwanda , that deterrent being

rwanda, that deterrent being part of it, but also lots of other things. the money that we're giving france, the government, say that more than 20,000 people have been stopped by french forces on the beaches there . are you suggesting that there. are you suggesting that perhaps the government's optimism about the other strands of its policy is misplaced, that actually what matters most of all here is the weather. >> i think the weather plays a huge part in it. yes it's true that the french are stopping boats from leaving their beaches. they did that last year as well. but all that happens , as well. but all that happens, thomas, these people aren't arrested and then detained or deported or anything like that. they are or some of them may be detained and most of them just scatter back into the dunes again to regroup and be put on another boat a day or two later when weather conditions improve. so all you're doing really in stopping those people coming across is delaying the

inevitable in a vast majority of cases , these people will just cases, these people will just regroup and try again. and it's such a lucrative industry for the criminal gangs involved in this. if they are charging 3000 or so as between 3 and 5000 to get on one of these boats, well, there's more than 50. see, people go on a boat. so 150,000 at least they're making for each boat they push into the water. you can understand why the people smugglers are so determined to continue to with this illegal trade . and, of this illegal trade. and, of course, they have got very sophisticated at it. they are able to procure the boats to get them manufactured to order in countries like china , they get countries like china, they get shipped to turkey. they then get smuggled from turkey across into the european union, up to the likes of germany , where when likes of germany, where when they're ready to be sent to northwestern france , again, they northwestern france, again, they are shipped to the coast of

northwestern france . they're northwestern france. they're blown up there on the beaches and they run to the water. as we said, some get stopped , but many said, some get stopped, but many don't. and they continue to head over here to the uk . over here to the uk. >> mark, just going by numbers here, we're getting close to the end of the year. you're saying perhaps a thousand people in the last few days coming across to the united kingdom in small boats. do you think that by the end of the year the government will still be able to say this year? arrivals are a third lower than last year, or might that number shift out ? number shift out? >> well, i think that all really depends on on the weather. again, i think will be a big factor in this november of last yean factor in this november of last year, we had some really good, fairly lengthy spells of decent weather, which meant that it was a very busy month in november. so if the same happens in this month, if even in december,

there are some good days, then yes, that number will climb. it's about a third down on where we were at this time last year. it's possible it'll stay at that. it might even increase in the government's favour. but still we're talking, tom, the number of people that have come across since the 1st of january is 27,500 people who've come across the channel so it might be down, but it's still a very significant problem and these people still need to be accommodated . stated in the accommodated. stated in the likes of hotels. the government says it wants to get away from the overreliance on hotels, but every time if we had 500 come across yesterday and then 600 odd at the beginning of the week, they all need to be accommodated somewhere. and the alternative of the plan b in terms of accommodation often isn't properly functioning as yet . the isn't properly functioning as yet. the bibby isn't properly functioning as yet . the bibby stockholm after yet. the bibby stockholm after the issue with the outbreak of

legionella that was discovered in the water system there, they haven't come back en masse onto that boat yet . there's just that boat yet. there's just a few people now back onto the bibby stockholm barge and again with wethersfield there's only a hundred couple of of the so supposed 1700 in whether field in essex that are supposed to be at that old raf base and scampton. we are supposed to have 2000 people up in scampton and not a single person has gone on to that particular former air base yet . so these people are base yet. so these people are being accommodated and the likes of hotel hotels or council accommodation across the country. well mark white, thank you very much for bringing us the very latest there from doven >> we'll be back with you throughout the programme as we get more information on any more boats . well, i'm joined now in boats. well, i'm joined now in the studio by political commentatorjohn the studio by political commentator john oxley. and john, i suppose when the prime

minister first made this pledge, stood at the podium with the words stop the boats beneath him , people would have assumed that meant stop every boat . it's meant stop every boat. it's probably not good enough for rishi sunak to keep saying this phrase that the number of crossings are down by a third. that's exactly right, tom. when you make a big pledge like that, and particularly when you make it key priorities, it one of your key priorities, you're saying to the public, we're going to fix this problem, not we're going to make it slightly better. >> and particularly as as you're mark was saying, a big part of that has been the weather's not been great. and so there's every chance that next spring chance that come next spring potentially there's potentially when there's election through summer election or through the summer running up to an election in the autumn , we'll have weeks and autumn, we'll have weeks and weeks of really sunny weather. and then suddenly it will not just be an increase this just be an increase on this yean just be an increase on this year, it will be an increase on last year, was the biggest last year, which was the biggest ever year. and going ever year. and that's going to be embarrassing the be very embarrassing for the prime who who said stop prime minister who who said stop the boats. >> is a real risk in >> and this is a real risk in terms of when the prime minister

decides go for a general decides to go for a general election. there's i think, perhaps that the perhaps a consensus that the prime wants to leave it prime minister wants to leave it a bit than the spring, a bit later than the spring, perhaps october, perhaps november. the very latest he could would be mid—january. could go. would be mid—january. but think that might be that but i think that might be that might be a bit too much for anyone to bear. campaigning over christmas. you think christmas. what do you think that the idea that there might be more channel crossings over the summer might might do to that calculation of when a general election might come in? >> i think it's one of those things that you would potentially you go earlier if you've got this is a big problem on the horizon. if your experts are saying actually this year is going to be really bad, you may be go for may before that problems ramped up. because if you the summer, you you hang on over the summer, you go into the autumn, data go into the autumn, that data will in. but the other will have come in. but the other thing , is the prime minister thing is, is the prime minister needs balance that around needs to balance that around some the other key priorities needs to balance that around s hise the other key priorities needs to balance that around s his that he other key priorities needs to balance that around s his that he oth be

november , december, as we're november, december, as we're seeing at the moment, that is the of winter peak time for the sort of winter peak time for the sort of winter peak time for the those lists expand , the nhs. those lists expand, people get sick because it's winter , people's bills up winter, people's bills go up because of heating costs remain high. that's when your heating bills go up. so it's a really difficult calculation and frankly, when you're losing this badly the and you're badly in the polls and you're doing badly against doing this badly against your own priorities, not many own priorities, there's not many good answers. >> when gb news came out at the start of this week with a poll showing the conservative party on on 20, i think a lot of people scoffed at it, thinking they're not they're not that low. this is inflating the reform whatever. reform party or whatever. but now polls have come now four more polls have come out showing conservative now four more polls have come out siatving conservative now four more polls have come out siat 1920, conservative now four more polls have come out siat 1920, 21,zonservative now four more polls have come out siat 1920, 21, andzrvative now four more polls have come out siat 1920, 21, and 22% ve party at 1920, 21, and 22% respectively. it seems that the conservative party has been declining in the polls in the last seven days. perhaps after that reshuffle. >> i think that's true. i mean, the best guidance always with polls is you don't look at individual polls, you look at trends and see how they're moving overall. and so whether

it's 19% or 21% moving overall. and so whether it's19% or 21% is kind of immaterial . what you're seeing immaterial. what you're seeing is it is getting worse again, for the tories, it's back to those sort of numbers and potentially that's something around the reshuffle potentially , it's just as time goes on for rishi sunak, he's made these pledges. he's not delivering against them . all those other against them. all those other things are kicking off as well. you know, nhs waiting times are really moment and yet really bad at the moment and yet this the that rishi this is the week that rishi sunak been trumpeting his sunak has been trumpeting his first halving inflation first pledge, halving inflation has actually been achieved. >> i suppose as this goes into this, this perennial dilemma , if this, this perennial dilemma, if something is written down before you, do you feel like it's true rather than you can just see it there on the paper? >> yeah, that's that's definitely an issue. and particularly for the thing around inflation, we need to remember that's about how much pnces remember that's about how much prices are going up by the increases already have been locked in. and i think for most people, most voters, you're going to the supermarket and you're seeing milk , bread, eggs, you're seeing milk, bread, eggs, twice the price they were two

years ago. your rent has gone up. maybe your mortgage has gone up. maybe your mortgage has gone up. you're not thinking, oh, well, it's only going up at well, now it's only going up at a slower rate. that's great. i'm going go out and vote. tory, going to go out and vote. tory, you're thinking, well, i get going to go out and vote. tory, you'rthis nking, well, i get going to go out and vote. tory, you'rthis much well, i get going to go out and vote. tory, you'rthis much and.l, i get going to go out and vote. tory, you'rthis much and i'mget going to go out and vote. tory, you'rthis much and i'm spending paid this much and i'm spending more and more of it on the daily essentials . maybe it is time for essentials. maybe it is time for a change. >> and that is the phrase that i think focus groups have been coming up with now for quite some time. this idea that the that the government has has had quite a long time to try and fix these problems that these problems and that something else and that it is time for a change. rishi sunak leant into that in october at the start of october with his conference speech saying i'm the change candidate. he seems to be walking back from that that pitch. now, do you think something in someone in number 10 has said prime minister trying to say that you're the change candidate? sounds a little bit silly. >> i think that very, very well may have happened because it is bizarre when you've you've your party has been in power for 13 years. you yourself have been at

the top table for a few years now coming out and saying i'm the change, not from a few the change, not just from a few years but from the past 30 years ago, but from the past 30 years. it does seem a bit odd and i think also what's going on with that is the conservatives were more popular in the past. maybe change isn't what people are looking for. i think are looking for. and i think that's one the interesting that's one of the interesting things david cameron things about david cameron coming it a chance to coming back. is it a chance to try particularly in try and say, particularly in those where the tories those seats where the tories fear lib actually we fear the lib dems actually we know we're the we're the guys, you backed in 2010 when we did well in 2015 when we won a majority , maybe sort of a more majority, maybe sort of a more sort of back to the future type message rather than we're going to radically change things again. well, we're going they won't need roads. >> well, john oxley, thank you so much for talking us through those issues of those big, big issues of conservative electability and indeed, policy conundrums. conservative electability and indeed, policy conundrums . still indeed, policy conundrums. still to come, access to class b and c drugs is on the rise , but a drugs is on the rise, but a conservative police and crime commissioner has said that law enforcement around them is

pathetically weak. this is britain's newsroom on .

sunday mornings from 930 on . gb sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news good morning. >> it's 1024 and you're with britain's newsroom here on gb news with me, tom harwood. now, earlier this month, nitrous oxide popularly known as

laughing gas or on the streets as nosse became an illegal class c substance due to possible psychological and physical harm. but what's the point if the law can't be enforced? alison hernandez, conservative police and crime commissioner for devon and crime commissioner for devon and cornwall, has declared war on class b and c, drugs like laughing gas, cannabis and describing extra laws and the enforcement of them as being pathetic , sickly, weak. well pathetic, sickly, weak. well let's discuss this now. let's even debate it. we're joined by the former metropolitan police detective peter bleksley in the studio and the police and crime commissioner for cleveland, steve turner , down the line to steve turner, down the line to discuss this. peter, let's start with you. this this is a perennial issue for the government . is it possible to government. is it possible to win the war on drugs ? win the war on drugs? >> absolutely not. it's a war that will not and cannot won . be that will not and cannot won. be and that's been proven over the last 50 years since president

richard nixon gave a speech to the un in 1971 declaring drugs as public enemy number one and hence the war on drugs was coined. it's impossible tonight, for example, there will be hundreds of thousands of people in the uk taking drugs, cocaine , in the uk taking drugs, cocaine, cannabis, ecstasy , you name it. cannabis, ecstasy, you name it. and the majority of those people, the vast majority of those people hold down responsible jobs , raise responsible jobs, raise contributing children , and contributing children, and actually are a decent part of society. but they are forced into dealing with criminals because they like to recreationally take drugs. the only way to control what is now the fourth biggest industry in the fourth biggest industry in the world. yes, it's even bigger than the textiles industry . and than the textiles industry. and look, we're all wearing clothes. the only way to control this industry is to regulate it by legalising the drugs. so we can raise billions in tax revenue . raise billions in tax revenue. we can reduce the harm

dramatically . we can shave at dramatically. we can shave at least 10% off the prison population and generally speaking, have some control of this industry. >> steve turner , over to you. >> steve turner, over to you. peter says the only way to have control over it is to legalise regulate and tax . regulate and tax. >> that's absolutely rubbish and legalising a drug is not going to these drug dealers aren't suddenly going to go off and work in mcdonald's to find a different way of making their money. they're just to money. they're just going to find more, harmful find it more, more harmful substances we see that substances to sell. we see that in new york, new york has in places new york, new york has somewhere region about in places new york, new york has some'legal region about in places new york, new york has some'legalcannabisgion about in places new york, new york has some' legal cannabis shops, about in places new york, new york has some' legal cannabis shops, but ut 2500 legal cannabis shops, but it's probably got another 2500 that are illegal. there just isn't the infrastructure to monitor our regulate these things and all that will happen is you're just going to push unregulated more harmful substances that are cut with things like bleach and god knows what else into that. so it's just it's a foolish, foolish suggestion. and i'm really surprised somebody of the

experience and the knowledge as as this man has is even suggesting it. because whilst i appreciate it is a massive problem and we're not getting the grips of it, i don't like the grips of it, i don't like the term war on drugs. what we have to do is we have to find ways of improving our public health to allow the people who want come drugs , to come want to come off drugs, to come off while clamping down on off drugs while clamping down on the dealers. and i'd love to see some much harsher sentences imposed . it's not about changing imposed. it's not about changing the our justice system the law. ourjustice system has the law. ourjustice system has the sentencing powers. you can go jail life for a first go to jail for life for a first instance of supplying a class a drug, but it's never put out there. it's 16 years minimum for somebody who's been found to be supplying class a's three times. when we start to see those sentences handed out, when people don't think it's an easy way make money, we'll way to make money, we'll see much less dealers on our streets and by helping people who want to come off drugs, come off drugs, that's how we reduce the problem, legalising it and thinking that problem is going to away. and that is just a to go away. and that is just a complete fantasy fantasy. >> to peter.

>> over to you, peter. >> over to you, peter. >> i'm afraid this police >> well, i'm afraid this police and commissioner has and crime commissioner has showed lack of showed a staggering lack of appreciation and understanding about who takes the majority of drugs in this country. the problematic drug users are the hapless heroin addicts and the such like, of course deserve services. but the overwhelming majority of people who will finish work tonight and get themselves wrapped around a gram of cocaine or a or a joint , for of cocaine or a or a joint, for example, of cannabis will be the painters and decorators, the chippies , the sparkes, the chippies, the sparkes, the plumbers, the scaffolders and the city boys who will be drinking champagne along with their cocaine . an and they are their cocaine. an and they are their cocaine. an and they are the overwhelming majority of people who take drugs and if there was a way by legalising and regulating drugs that those people were not forced into criminal deals but bought them over the counter, for example , over the counter, for example, then we would have so many resources available for the hapless addicts. we would so dramatically cut the prison

population and we would take some control, population and we would take some control , whole population and we would take some control, whole considerable control all over the fourth biggest industry in the world. if drugs were invented today. and we sat in front of the cabinet and said, here we go, cannabis, cocaine , heroin, cannabis, cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, they're all new. we've discovered them in a lab and grown them. who will we let run this industry? that will be the fourth biggest in the world? who on earth would say we'll let criminals run the industry? that's the lunacy of it all. >> steve, what you're suggesting is lunacy. yeah it's wrong. >> i don't disagree about the people who are taking these drugs. why don't we take the passport of anybody, call any city by, as you put it, our chippy or painter and decorator or sparky caught with it. why don't we take their passport off them so they can't go on a family holiday? this year? i'm telling you now, that would guarantee drug use in guarantee me to drop drug use in this country . and targeting this country. and by targeting the it much the dealers and making it much harder those people because, harder for those people because, again, not wandering again, they're not wandering around the streets. they're not

seeing violence. they're seeing the violence. they're getting delivered door getting delivered to their door quicker pizza. that's what quicker than pizza. that's what we stop. what we need to stop. and that's what we need to stop. and that's what we to clamp down hard on, we need to clamp down hard on, not regulating it or putting out there because that doesn't there because that just doesn't work. what in those work. and what you do in those vulnerable you did vulnerable people who you did mention, people mention, those are the people i'm concerned because i'm concerned about because they're are still they're the ones that are still going to the street going to go to the street dealers and they're still going to badly high to be taking badly cut high strength that are likely strength drugs that are likely to kill them far quicker than what got now. the what we've got now. take the dealers target dealers . dealers off, target the dealers. and we stop this. and that's how we stop this. steve isn't one of the arguments that the reason why some drugs are cut poisonous are cut with poisonous substances is because it's in the hands of the criminal gangs. >> back when you could buy cocaine in boots, back when queen victoria was enjoying her cocaine , as we know that she cocaine, as we know that she did, there were less problems with this stuff being cut with poisons as it. >> but it's still going to happen. that's what i'm saying. if you if you take your average drug dealer and think that for one minute because you can

suddenly now buy it in boots that they're going to go off and get a proper job, they're not they're going to find different ways, different products to sell to the most vulnerable . and yes, to the most vulnerable. and yes, you might protect a few high flying executives who who like some coke on a friday and a saturday night as part of their party lifestyle. you're you party lifestyle. you're not you are potentially increasing the harm and raising the tragedies amongst those who need our support most by not dealing with the drug dealers and burying your head in the sand. and that thinks because we've regulated it, all of those drug dealers are to work in are going to go work in mcdonalds in a supermarket mcdonalds or in a supermarket somewhere. to somewhere. now peter, finally to you, in cloud you, are you not living in cloud cuckoo land? >> there's no way that this government western government or any western government or any western government legalise government is going to legalise the roster of drugs that you suggested . suggested. >> many enlightened >> and well, many enlightened western governments have already adopted a different drugs policy and they're in countries like portugal , for example, portugal, for example, decriminalisation, not legalisation . yes, yes, i know legalisation. yes, yes, i know it's a bit of a halfway house, but it's a step in the right

direction. we've seen a dramatic reduction in harm that drugs reduction in the harm that drugs can cause . and talking of harm, can cause. and talking of harm, pnor can cause. and talking of harm, prior to 1971, we had far fewer heroin addicts than we do now. in fact , they've got their in fact, they've got their heroin from doctors on prescription. it was only since the misuse of drugs act that heroin addict rates have gone sky high. >> well, peter , peter and steve, >> well, peter, peter and steve, i wish we could continue this conversation further. i'm afraid we have run to the end of this slot, but we will get you both back because i know there is so much more to discuss. well still to come, a wand without a wizard or a wizard without a wand. lisa nandy has criticised j.k. rowling for not treating transgender women as women due to their body parts, explaining some women come with snape's and all sizes also grandma grooving have you seen this grandma rocking it at a 50 cent show. we'll discuss. can you ever be too old for rap music ? all of too old for rap music? all of that and much more after your morning news with tatiana . to

tom. >> thank you. this is the latest from the newsroom. the former home secretary says the prime minister's plan to deport migrants to rwanda will fail unless he opts out of the european convention on human rights as will the prime minister rescued the rwanda plan. >> mrs. braverman suella braverman , who was sacked this braverman, who was sacked this week, says the proposal a new treaty and legislation are simply a tweaked version of the failed plan. >> a writing in the telegraph she set out what she's calling her five tests to ensure deportation flights can take off. mrs. braverman says rishi sunaks proposal will get bogged down in the courts . 212 year old down in the courts. 212 year old boys charged with the murder of a 19 year old man are due to appearin a 19 year old man are due to appear in court. sean c zahawi was attacked in wolverhampton on monday night and died at the scene . the children who cannot scene. the children who cannot be named because of their age, have also been charged with

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and people that i knew had dewbs & co weeknights from . six & co weeknights from. six >> it's 1039. you're with britain's newsroom here on gb news with me tom harwood now pro palestine protest chaos continued across london last night. this one forced in the i beg your pardon , in the labour beg your pardon, in the labour constituency of bethnal green, there was a particular conundrum . let's take a look at how gb news presenter patrick christys was welcomed when he arrived, asking why all those there were protesting . aren't you? shame on protesting. aren't you? shame on you . you. >> why? shame on you. tell me why . why. >> why? why you're here? >> why? why you're here? >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> why do you feel so strongly? what do you think woke you up ?

what do you think woke you up? >> we need to stop harassing the community as a leave. >> you need to go. please. i know it's a free place, but what it is you're harassing our community. well we have it. >> a crowd gathered around the labour party office there in bethnal green and bow because the local mp had not voted in favour of a ceasefire on wednesday evening . well, i'm wednesday evening. well, i'm pleased to be joined in the studio now by political commentator matthew stadlen and the former editor of the daily express , dawn neeson. now dawn, express, dawn neeson. now dawn, let's start with you. is it appropriate to have sort of gangs around an mps local office? no it isn't. >> and look, i mean, it's rushanara ali and apsana begum are the two local mps in tower hamlets. they're both very young , very strong, very independently minded muslim women who can't tell you, tom, how hard they have worked to achieve what they have achieved , achieve what they have achieved, coming from their backgrounds,

both working class backgrounds as well. so i the reason they're doing it outside are rushanara office is because she withheld her vote on the on the on the ceasefire . understandably so. ceasefire. understandably so. obviously so is it appropriate ? obviously so is it appropriate? no, it's not i don't i don't go as far as calling these people hate marches. they're not i think it's a small minority. and this was an offshoot. it's not one of the big marches, but what is more worrying is i thought patrick asked a very sensible question there, and it's a question there, and it's a question that should be asked. it's like, why are here? it's like, why are you here? what do want? because what what do you want? because what frightens more isn't the fact frightens me more isn't the fact that they they were ganging up outside our missionaries, our office. but it's the fact that a lot of them don't actually know. there was a clip recently with two young girls who were on a protest march peacefully. nothing that. but nothing wrong with that. but when asked about what when they were asked about what hamas did on october the 7th, they know. they oh, they didn't know. they said, oh, i'm qualified to comment on i'm not qualified to comment on that. and it's like, what? why are you qualified to go on a

march protesting for something you don't know what you're actually so actually protesting for? so that's worries more. i that's what worries me more. i mean, it's appalling mean, i think it's appalling that young female mps that two young female mps in that two young female mps in that area who worked that area who have worked incredibly hard being incredibly hard are being targeted this because targeted in this way because it's both them are it's not it's both of them are being targeted. just think being targeted. i just think it's the fact that it's almost become it's not quite a fashion, but i think for certain areas , but i think for certain areas, more young, more left wing student type women in particular, it's almost like it's fashionable to go on a peace march. >> it's interesting that you mention women there because there has been perhaps a disproportionate number of women on these marches. i don't know if you've noticed that, matthew. >> i hadn't noticed that . no. >> i hadn't noticed that. no. what notice in that video what i did notice in that video was some very angry people i felt being into hating towards a journalist . felt being into hating towards a journalist. right. and there's just no place for that on the streets of this country . i very streets of this country. i very strongly disagree. sometimes with what patrick says on his show and on social media as well. but he was doing his job

as a journalist . he had every as a journalist. he had every right to be there. and for the crowd , it seemed to be crowd, it seemed to be alternating between saying, shame on you towards the labour mp or towards the labour party more generally, and then also to a journalist going about his work was, well, i thought it was shameful behaviour. actually. there is absolutely no room in this country for intimidating our politicians, our democrats , our politicians, our democrats, elected politicians or indeed anyone else of course, people have the right to protest , but have the right to protest, but they have the right to protest peacefully and within the law . peacefully and within the law. what we saw there seemed to me to be stretching legal limits to their breaking point. now, i understand that last night at this particular protest, there were no event. >> no, no arrests. there were police there present. is it your view that the police have been too lenient then? >> well , i too lenient then? >> well, i think we've seen certain examples , oils on social certain examples, oils on social media that might appear to show

the police not being as firm as they might be entitled to. it's very difficult to criticise the police with a broad brush. it's a very difficult job that they're trying to do. they want to try to maintain order and pubuc to try to maintain order and public order, public safety and try to make sure that things don't escalate. but all i can say and i'm not a police officer is where a crime is committed . is where a crime is committed. the police need to step in on a wider issue . i'm really wider issue. i'm really increasingly concerned by the spike that we're seeing in anti—semitic ism. i'm someone who has spoken out about these marches saying that they should be allowed to go ahead. and i do maintain that. however there is a real problem with this chant that we keep hearing or that we keep hearing discussed, at least from the river to the sea, because although it's undoubtedly true that some people who shout it don't mean it anti—semitic and don't mean it, to suggest that israel should be eradicated from the

map, we hear from jewish people all not all jewish people necessarily , but from some necessarily, but from some jewish people that they see it and hear it as anti—semitic . and and hear it as anti—semitic. and we know it's part of what hamas wants to do. it wants to drive, drive out the jews from the river to the sea, literally their mission statement. >> right. they were elected . >> right. they were elected. they were elected on that. and even worse, it wasn't just annihilation of the state of israel. it annihilation of israel. it was annihilation of jewish people. >> to the point , i >> just to finish the point, i read a piece in a friend sent me this morning. it was a shocking piece, but perhaps not surprising to. it is surprising to wake up to. it is in the guardian and it was about it was an anonymously written piece and it was written by someone anonymous, but for his own, or her own safety there own, his or her own safety there an student, oxford an oxford student, oxford university and they are university student. and they are exposing, referencing anti—semitism . and the question anti—semitism. and the question was, why are our academic institutions so affected by anti—semitism? this is a real concern. i'm jewish. i haven't had a single friend, and this doesn't mean that they're not well meaning i haven't had a

single friend call me up in the week since october the 7th to say, are you okay? not because i identify with israel , but that's identify with israel, but that's also an anti—semitic trope to assume that all jews identify with israel. but just to see whether i'm okay in the context of anti—semitism rising and i am someone who relentlessly calls out islamophobia, islamophobe here is every bit as evil as anti—semitism. i just worry. and this goes to the david baddiel book and tv series and i interviewed him about it for my podcast recently. the jews don't count. and what does that mean? it just means if we complain of anti—semitism, i don't think we're taken as seriously by some, not by everyone. the government has been strong on this and so has keir starmer. but i don't think we are taken as seriously as other minorities. >> well, really interesting >> well, it's really interesting . lunch with a very lovely . i had lunch with a very lovely lady, east and. and lady, proper old east and. and she was telling me about her granddaughter was years granddaughter was four years old. to a school old. she goes to a school that welcomes faiths . okay. it's welcomes all faiths. okay. it's not a very strict school religiously , but it welcomes all

religiously, but it welcomes all faiths. happens to have faiths. but it happens to have a uniform that that lets you know that it uniform that that lets you know thatitis uniform that that lets you know that it is a jewish school . that it is a jewish school. okay. but it welcomes children of all faiths. there's a little girls, years old on the on girls, four years old on the on the way into school the other day with her mum and day on the tube with her mum and dad, she was told a four year old wearing her uniform going to school, just started going to school. remember she school. remember at four, she was that she was unclean was told that she was unclean and that she was basically . but and that she was basically. but the implication was you are a filthy jew now , i'm sorry if filthy jew now, i'm sorry if that's offending, but that is the implication. that was aimed at four year old child on her way to school. and i put that on twitter because i was so shocked by this story. and this is not taking away from islamophobia taking it away from islamophobia in way, shape form. all in any way, shape or form. all hate is horrific. i put this on twitter. and know what? twitter. and you know what? you know what annoyed know what? what really annoyed me you're me was people going, you're making and it's like, making it up. and it's like, hold a minute. why, why, why hold on a minute. why, why, why would i make that up and be are you so set in your ways that you can't what happening? can't see what is happening? and look, taking it away.

look, nobody is taking it away. that rise in hate on both sides. >> when i call out in islamophobia. i may be wrong about this, but when i call out islamophobia, as i have done a lot, i did it repeatedly on my lbc radio i do it on lbc radio show. i do it on social media. when i call it. i don't tend to have people saying, well, what about anti—semitism? don't you care about i'm sure about anti—semitism? i'm sure it's sometimes. it's happened sometimes. but when i call out when i call out anti—semitism well, what anti—semitism as well, what about other forms racism? i'm about other forms of racism? i'm equally stamping about other forms of racism? i'm equallyforms stamping about other forms of racism? i'm equallyforms of stamping about other forms of racism? i'm equallyforms of racism tamping about other forms of racism? i'm equallyforms of racism .|mping about other forms of racism? i'm equallyforms of racism . it ping about other forms of racism? i'm equallyforms of racism . it is1g out all forms of racism. it is just that we are seeing at the moment very pronounced spike moment a very pronounced spike in anti—semitism by the way, in anti—semitism and by the way, when the far right went marching to the cenotaph and abused the memory of our four fathers and four mothers, people who put their lives on the line and many of whom died for our freedoms and for this country, we saw those distasteful scenes that the cenotaph saying we want our country england till die country back, england till i die . out as well . and . i call that out as well. and there's no doubt that that is directed at british muslims and it's threatening . it's very threatening. >> people that did that, >> but the people that did that, they were tackled straight away by okay. and the

by the police. okay. and yet the other night again, other night we saw, again, a splinter group of peace in palestine , protesters literally palestine, protesters literally clambering all over the war memorial cup in poppy wreath still at hyde park. and the police did nothing climbing, climbing over the one war memorial in london that shows a dead soldier , one lying down. dead soldier, one lying down. >> again, i'm not a spokesman for the police, obviously, and clearly the police seem to have got some stuff wrong over over recent weeks in a very difficult febrile atmosphere. my understanding from what they've said, it is not a specific criminal offence. what went on there . if that is the case, and there. if that is the case, and it should be made made a criminal. but there are examples and donna, sure you've seen and donna, i'm sure you've seen these well online these examples as well online where the police. >> sure. it's not a it's not a specific offence to climb on a statue a monument, but there statue or a monument, but there have cases 2016, when have been cases 2016, when greenpeace clambered lots greenpeace clambered over lots of monuments, there. the of monuments, arrests there. the police arrested people on suspicion of criminal damage. equally when people have climbed on bridges, there have been arrests suspicion of

arrests on suspicion of disturbing the peace . there have disturbing the peace. there have been ways that the police can arrest people for offences, even if what they're doing is not a specific offence in and of itself. i think we do need to move one more topic before move on to one more topic before we the end of this news we get to the end of this news review. but fascinating as though a huge, though this is because a huge, huge story today. the former home secretary suella braverman has broken her silence on the supreme court's decision and she has a five point plan in the daily telegraph >> but let's give the very brief context, and that is that rishi sunak said he was going to stop the boats this year. that hasn't happened. he said we're going to get dundee rwanda . get flights up dundee to rwanda. has that happened? the rwanda, the rwanda is an absolute the rwanda plan is an absolute shambles. it's a shambles partly because, as i understand it, again, correct me if i'm wrong, rwanda, i think of only agreed to accept 200 people. so the only possible way in which this plan if it were to plan could work, if it were to work is as a deterrent. and i don't believe that sending 200 people to rwanda will be a deterrent your question deterrent on your question on

the braverman five the on the suella braverman five point in the telegraph, the on the suella braverman five poingot in the telegraph, the on the suella braverman five poingot it in the telegraph, the on the suella braverman five poingot it here |e telegraph, the on the suella braverman five poingot it here intelegraph, the on the suella braverman five poingot it here in the graph, i've got it here in the newspaper. one of the things i find absolutely astonishing about whole saga is about this whole sorry saga is that is now saying, as that braverman is now saying, as i understand it, that braverman is now saying, as i understand it , that the i understand it, that the government or the parliament should legislate against legal challenge to that legislation . challenge to that legislation. now, that seems to me both to be sinister to but also legal fantasy. i don't think and i think a government minister accepted as much that we will see flights taking off to rwanda next year. and as i say, even if we did that, i don't think it would make significant difference. >> and we have to take rwanda in return as well. we've already paid them £120 million to sort this out. we've actually sent more home secretaries to rwanda than we have migrants. it's a it's a ridiculous situation. and you know, and when you say, tom, that sort of like suella has broken her silence, to be honest with you. she hasn't shut up, is she? >>i she? >> i mean. well, she's she she's made two interventions since she

resigned or was fired . more resigned or was fired. more accurately, she wrote she wrote her letter and now she's written this article. i hate to spoil your morning as well, but we are expecting at some point next week a resignation statement in the benches of the house on the green benches of the house of commons as well. so a third intervention, even though she hasn't resigned, of course she's been that's true. that's been sacked. that's true. that's true. she still does true. but i think she still does have right to a statement. have the right to a statement. i might be wrong there, but i think does have just a quick think she does have just a quick thing, farcical element thing, another farcical element to by way, i'm someone who >> by the way, i'm someone who wants boats to i think wants the boats to stop. i think you find the vast majority of people country want the people in this country want the boats at the very least boats stopped. at the very least because dangerous and because it's very dangerous and imperils the lives of the people who desperate enough take who are desperate enough to take that the rwanda plan that risk. but the rwanda plan is a solution. the idea is not a solution. and the idea that sunak can legislate, that rishi sunak can legislate, get to legislate, to get parliament to legislate, to pretend a safe pretend that rwanda is a safe country when it is not. and i'll very briefly explain why it isn't just because we can go on houday isn't just because we can go on holiday to that to rwanda. it's a beautiful country and no doubt

has beautiful people in it. and you and wildlife like you can go and see wildlife like the gorillas. and so forth. the fact authoritarian regime. >> the unhcr praise its refugee agency in recent years. yes, they did. >> they may well have done. the fact is that kagame, who the fact is that kagame, who is the president, has been president president, he has been president since 2000. it is an authoritarian regime an authoritarian regime with an appalling human rights record. so asylum seeker, so if you're an asylum seeker, it safe. if want to go it ain't safe. if we want to go on there, we'll be just on holiday there, we'll be just fine. quickly, 2017 fine. just quickly, 2017 international poll by gallup showed that one of the most accepting and welcomed countries for migrants, according to this poll , was for migrants, according to this poll, was rwanda. for migrants, according to this polwell,; rwanda. for migrants, according to this polwell, we'll1da. for migrants, according to this polwell, we'll have to continue >> well, we'll have to continue this in the next hour, but dawn and matthew, thank so much this in the next hour, but dawn anctalkingzw, thank so much this in the next hour, but dawn anctalking through( so much this in the next hour, but dawn anctalking through those so much this in the next hour, but dawn anctalking through those huge ch for talking through those huge issues. we'll issues. after the break, we'll be dover as more asylum be live in dover as more asylum seekers have been spotted crossing the channel. this is britain's newsroom. hello, i'm alex deakin. >> this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. for most a fine friday, dry and bright with a bit of sunshine, but there is more rain to come tonight and tomorrow. and here's the reason why. an

area of low pressure just but gradually spreading in from the atlantic ahead of it. a little bump in the isobars, a little ridge. we've seen some showers over northern this over northern england this morning. tend to fade. morning. they'll tend to fade. there's fog patches over there's some fog patches over northern scotland, but most areas are dry and bright. we are going to start to see the rain creeping into the isles of scilly and west cornwall by the end the afternoon and end of the afternoon and steadily over in south steadily clouding over in south wales south—west england. wales and south—west england. temperatures to temperatures here getting up to 11, degrees. most places in 11, 12 degrees. most places in single but the winds single figures, but the winds are pretty if you get are pretty light. so if you get in the sunshine it feels pleasant enough. however the rain coming in to northern rain is coming in to northern ireland, wales and southwest england where we have met. office weather warnings place office weather warnings in place , spray and surface , a lot of spray and surface water the roads, but the rain water on the roads, but the rain will spread to most areas by the time we to saturday morning. time we get to saturday morning. some bursts the some quite heavy bursts in the south—west but it south—west early on, but it should to clear through. should tend to clear through. it's start most it's a damp start for most areas, but mid—morning wales areas, but by mid—morning wales and england looking and south—west england looking brighter. there will continue to be in scotland , but for be showers in scotland, but for most afternoon we'll cheer most the afternoon we'll cheer up, brighten up with some sunny

spells. a windier day, but a milder day tomorrow. temperatures in the south getting into the teens for a time. sunday looks also fairly blustery. gusty winds, particularly in the south. some brightness , but plenty more brightness, but plenty more showers to come as well . bye for showers to come as well. bye for now. alex. now. thank alex. >> now still to come, our investigator reporter charlie peters will be with us to discuss his draw. peters will be with us to discuss his draw . jaw dropping discuss his draw. jaw dropping gb news exclusive on what prisoners are getting up to in our communities. and we'll go live to dover, where almost 1000 people have crossed the channel in the last few days. you're with britain's newsroom here on gb news, the people's .

channel good morning . it's 11 am. on good morning. it's 11 am. on friday, the 17th of november. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, tom harwood . news. with me, tom harwood. coming up this hour, the rwanda treaty will fail . the former treaty will fail. the former home secretary, suella braverman , declares no asylum seekers will be sent to rwanda before the next election. in her view , the next election. in her view, around 1000 arrived via small boats over the last couple of days. boats over the last couple of days . our homeland security days. our homeland security editor mark white is live in dover with the latest . well it dover with the latest. well it is the arrival of these small boats into dover that really

hammers home the need to try to find a solution to this crisis . find a solution to this crisis. >> in the last few days alone , a >> in the last few days alone, a thousand people have crossed in small boats . small boats. >> clement's crackdown, three prescriptions and legal aid will be cut off for people who are deemed fit to work and refused to seek employment . as part of to seek employment. as part of the chancellor's new crackdown on jobs centre disaster, gb news has discovered that danger as criminals have been employed in schools, hospitals and communities, putting people at serious risk. it's a very busy morning of news and through it all, we want to know your views and opinions. you know how to get in touch by now. vaiews@gbnews.com. we'll be getting to some of those thoughts after the morning

headunes thoughts after the morning headlines with tatiana . headlines with tatiana. >> tom, thank you very much and good morning. 11:01. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the former home secretary says the prime minister's plan to deport migrants to rwanda will fail unless the opt out of the european convention on human rights will the prime minister rescue the rwanda plan? >> mrs. braverman suella braverman, who was sacked this week, says the proposed new treaty and legislation are simply a tweaked version of the failed plan. >> a writing in the telegraph she set out what she's calling her five tests to ensure deportation flights can take off. mrs. braverman says rishi sunak's proposal will get bogged down in the courts, but the transport secretary, mark harper, says the government won't be stopped when you set out very clearly in primary legislation, the rules and that parliament sets out a very clear interpretation as the prime

minister says we're going to do when he made his announcement on wednesday , then actually the wednesday, then actually the courts do actually respect that. >> but and as far as overseas courts are concerned , the prime courts are concerned, the prime minister has made it clear that we're not going to let overseas courts stand in our way. we're going to set out the rules very carefully. we're to carefully. we're going to conclude that treaty with rwanda, legislation rwanda, take that legislation through parliament and continue with to 12 year old with our plan to 12 year old boys charged with murder of a 19 year old man are due to appear in court. >> sean zahawi was attacked in wolverhampton on monday night. he died at the scene. the children , who cannot be named children, who cannot be named because of their age , have also because of their age, have also been charged with possession of a bladed article read . retail a bladed article read. retail sales have unexpectedly fallen , sales have unexpectedly fallen, dropping to their lowest level since the pandemic. the office for national statistics says retail sales volumes dipped 03% last month. analysts had expected a rise. retailers blame the cost of living reduced footfall and wet weather. keir

starmer will pledge to make britain a clean energy superpower . the labour leaders superpower. the labour leaders in aberdeen, where he'll tell industry bosses he'll support up to 50,000 jobs in scotland if his party wins the next election . his visit comes at the end of a challenging week, suffering a major rebellion over his position on the war in gaza. gb news understands there is concern within the party of a growing rift between sir keir and the scottish labour leader anas sarwar. as msps is looking likely to back an amendment in holyrood next week calling for a ceasefire . now £83 billion has ceasefire. now £83 billion has been promised to fix what the prime minister has described as the scourge of potholes. the funding for road maintenance in england will be available to local authorities over the next decade and the money was saved by scrapping the hs2 rail line north of birmingham. pothole campaigner mark murrell, also known as mr pothole, says the investment isn't enough.

>> road users are being battered in terms of costs. you know, tens of billions of pounds in all sorts of tax, asian, very little being spent on our roads. i mean with this extra funding when it fully comes on stream , when it fully comes on stream, it will only bring it back up to what they were spending in 2019. and that's, you know, 50% of what was being spent in 2006. so you know, if you're allowed for inflation, we should put in nearly 6 or £7 billion a year, not, you know, £2 billion is going to be offered over the next 11 years. >> british gas is hiring hundreds of new staff. the energy giant says they'll work at contact centres across the uk to help customers who are struggling with their bills . struggling with their bills. around 700 new jobs are being created by the end of the year. rat infested bedford prison has been issued with an urgent nofice been issued with an urgent notice to improve . inspectors notice to improve. inspectors found inmates are being held in mouldy cells with broken windows for up to 23 hours a day. levels of violence against staff in the

last month were also the highest of any adult male prison in the country and recorded self—harm. the third highest rate. it's the fifth jail to be given an urgent noficein fifth jail to be given an urgent notice in the last 12 months. new draft guidance for the nhs says women should be offered talking therapy to combat the symptoms of menopause . that's symptoms of menopause. that's alongside or instead of hormone replacement therapy. better advice will also be offered about the risks and the benefits of hrt . cognitive behavioural of hrt. cognitive behavioural therapy is also being suggested to help with hot flushes, sleep and mood changes. the health watchdog says the move will give women more choice . but menopause women more choice. but menopause specialist dr. louise newson has called the update disappointing . called the update disappointing. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on digital tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . tom

to. tom >> thanks, tatiana. now let's have a little look at what people have been saying at home throughout the course of the show. of course, we've been talking about the rwanda article that the former home secretary, suella braverman, has published this morning. bob has suella braverman, has published this morning . bob has written in this morning. bob has written in to say, mrs. braverman has only just left government, so is presumably up to date with all rwandan plans , as it's therefore rwandan plans, as it's therefore sensible to take her views seriously when she criticises the pm's new plan. mary has written in about the drugs debate we had last hour saying i've never taken any drugs, but i've never taken any drugs, but i've known friends who've smoked cannabis either for recreation or because it relieves their medical condition. it's time that cannabis was either de decriminalised or legalised being able to buy from a specialist shop would stop purchasers being tempted by drug dealers. and ken has written in to, say, another issue with these ridiculous protests. he's referring, of course, to those pro—palestinian protests. besides the fact that the

conflict is nothing to do with this country is the fact that the cost of police time has to fall on the taxpayer . and that fall on the taxpayer. and that is considerable. there are some views from the viewing public, of course. vaiews@gbnews.com. if you want to get involved in the discussion but the former home secretary suella braverman, has said that tinkering with a failed plan will not stop the boats. this comes as she lays down a devastating piece in the telegraph this morning attacking the government's approach to the rwanda scheme. she outlines her own five point plan , and she own five point plan, and she says that the bill must address the supreme court's concerns and be treated as an impartial agency. she says flights must depart before the next general election, and in order to do so must overrule the courts . she must overrule the courts. she also says asylum seekers must be swiftly removed from the uk and that those arriving illegally must be detained and the whole bill should be treated as an emergent rac well we broke

earlier this morning the fact that around a thousand migrants have arrived in small boats in the last few days and more are expected with favourable weather conditions. let's go to our man in dover, gb news, home and security editor mark white. mark tell us what you've seen this morning . morning. >> well, the arrival of these boats , tom, is the very visible boats, tom, is the very visible manifestation of this crisis and of the failure of the uk government to do what it said that it was going to do, which was to stop the boats. now, it is true to say that the number of boats now this year compared to where we were at this point last year, is about a third down. but it's still 27,500 who have crossed since the 1st of january this year. and just in the last few days. and this week where we had a spell of good weather for a day at the beginning of the week, yesterday

was also good and today is good. around 1000 people have crossed it in about 20 small boats in that time. and it's an illustration, tom, that whatever the government says, actually the government says, actually the weather plays a very significant part in the numbers. who are crossing the english channel. and every time we get a break in the weather and conditions improve, then these boats sure as night follows day , boats sure as night follows day, these boats come across the engush these boats come across the english channel in very significant numbers. >> the government said that this would not be an easy task stopping the boats, but there is not one man magic silver bullet. the prime minister said that the rwanda plan is important, but also the cooperation with france and also going after the criminal gangs, not least with a lot of their storage facilities in turkey that we've seen in recent months. which do you think of these strands of the government's plan is the most

important point, and might they all be trumpeted by something as simple as the . weather? simple as the. weather? >> well, whatever. rishi sunak might be saying now, there is no doubt that the rwanda plan was the key plank of the government's proposals to stop the small boats. yes, of course, he said. there is no silver bullet and in the round you have to do more in the way of working better with france, giving them more money, as we've done to help bolster their defences in northwestern france . also northwestern france. also ensuring that the national crime agency works more closely with law enforcement partners around the world to go after the people smugglers and also deal with those coming from the likes of albania. so trying to have a deal which they now have secured with albania to ensure the swift

removal of anyone from albania, that comes over and tries to claim asylum. but but key to that was absolutely the rwanda plan. it was seen as a main sort ofissue plan. it was seen as a main sort of issue that as far as the government was concerned , would government was concerned, would be the one that would help break the model of the criminal gangs. that would be a decent incentive for those trying to cross the channel if they thought that there was a high chance that they wouldn't be staying in the uk. but there would be sent off to east africa instead. so the fact that that is not happening or any time happening any time soon is deeply embedded thing for the government and is something that understandably infuriates many people in the uk who were told repeatedly that the boats would be stopped, that the boats would be stopped, that the rwanda plan would go through. well, here we are, 19 months after it was first

announced by boris johnson in lydd airport here in kent with priti patel across in rwanda , priti patel across in rwanda, announcing that side of the deal as well. and nothing has happened, only one day in june of last year did we get a flight out that was close to taking off with a handful of people. but even that plane never took off. not a single person has left for rwanda and if we listen to suella braverman , she is suella braverman, she is convinced that nothing is going to take off for rwanda before the next election . the next election. >> just finally, mark, how much of a deterrence would rwanda actually be? only a couple of hundred space is there when even today we've seen now in the last few days a thousand new migrants arrive by small boats. that's more than the capacity of rwanda, isn't it ? rwanda, isn't it? >> yeah, i think this is one of the untruths that has been put

about by labour and opposition in chiefly among them in terms of the numbers going to rwanda . of the numbers going to rwanda. when i was across there with suella braverman earlier this yean suella braverman earlier this year, we specifically asked on that point because labour kept hammering home their assertion that only a couple of hundred people were going to rwanda and both the uk and the rwandan government were quite explicit that there is no cap on the numbers. however, in a briefing it was suggested to me that the hopeis it was suggested to me that the hope is that a relatively small number of people would need to be sent there and that that would , in short order, they would, in short order, they hope, break make the business model. so we put it to them, what, 1000, model. so we put it to them, what, 1000, 2000. so model. so we put it to them, what, 1000, 2000. so perhaps that kind of number and then they would see the business model disintegrating. i'm not so

sure. you know, with 50 odd thousand coming across the channelin thousand coming across the channel in one year. okay maybe not this year, but certainly last year. if you are unfortunate enough to be the 1 or 2000 that might be sent, i think those are pretty good odds for those that have come all the way, many thousands of miles and across two seas to get to the uk. they would probably still be undeterred . undeterred. >> well, mark white, this is why we appreciate you so much as our home and security editor. clear answer there. no cap on the number that could be sent to rwanda were this scheme to actually get off the ground. live in dover. thank you very much for all that you've brought to us this morning. let's dissect this a little bit further now with the deputy editor of conservativehome henry hill and henry , this is a hill and henry, this is a problem for the government, isn't they have bigged up this issue of small boat arrivals. we know that there are fewer asylum seekers in the united kingdom than there are in france, in germany, in italy, in many other

comparable european countries. and yet the government has made this issue one that is much bigger . is this issue one that is much bigger. is that hurting them ? bigger. is that hurting them? >> it is hurting them because they keep raising the salience of this issue and then failing to do anything about it. the reason they're doing that is because the small boat crossings are kind of a really visible symbol a failure to control symbol of a failure to control the a way that a much the borders in a way that a much higher amount legal higher amount of legal immigration, which polling suggests like, suggests the public don't like, but the same but that doesn't have the same kind visual impact as people kind of visual impact as people washing boats. it's a washing up on boats. it's a bafic washing up on boats. it's a basic state failure. so yeah, absolutely the more put absolutely. the more they put this front centre without this front and centre without making progress, they'd be better not talking better off just not talking about it. >> yet when we heard james >> and yet when we heard james cleverly commons cleverly speak in the commons earlier week, he was saying earlier this week, he was saying that crossings are down by a third. the french cooperating with the british have stopped 22,000 on the 22,000 people crossing on the beachesin 22,000 people crossing on the beaches in the uk. we've seen an illegal migration fall , whereas illegal migration fall, whereas in france, germany , italy, many in france, germany, italy, many other european countries, we've seen it rise by a considerable degree this year. is there not a

positive story to tell there? >> there is . james cleverly made >> there is. james cleverly made a pretty good job of making it. that's one of the things he's very good at as a politician. that's one of the things he's verytheyd at as a politician. that's one of the things he's verythe problemi politician. that's one of the things he's verythe problem is olitician. that's one of the things he's verythe problem is this:ian. that's one of the things he's verythe problem is this isn't but the problem is this isn't going to go away. the migration cnses going to go away. the migration crises pushing people crises that are pushing people into towards the into europe and towards the united not slowing united kingdom are not slowing down. going to get down. they're only going to get worse. and that pressure just builds up on the french coast and more people and eventually more people start coming across. you need a systemic solution because otherwise years otherwise you'll have good years and but it adds and bad years. but it all adds up, right? it's all an up, right? because it's all an inflow the former home inflow and the former home secretary, braverman, secretary, suella braverman, has written a detailed piece written quite a detailed piece in telegraph this morning is in the telegraph this morning is her view is her five point plan in your view , something that can in your view, something that can be that systemic change? i mean , be that systemic change? i mean, suella plan, if she implemented it, would make the rwanda plan work better? i don't think it will happen . there is simply not will happen. there is simply not time before the election for such a bill to get passed. if the refuse to pass it and the lords refuse to pass it and her proposal is basically there's a balance or a trade off there's a balance or a trade off the more effective in any bill is at restricting the ability to challenge it legally , the

challenge it legally, the smaller coalition that will smaller the coalition that will be it in the house of be for it in the house of commons the opposed commons and the more opposed the lords as well as lords will be. so as well as plan is just not going to happen. right? so what's actually is we're actually happening here is we're going a year of going to have a year of a showdown between the government and lords, where and the house of lords, where the blame the the government can blame the house of lords for blocking whatever legislation is, whatever this legislation is, and fight and then they'll fight the election on it. >> that a really interesting >> that is a really interesting strategy because it's very similar what johnson similar to what boris johnson did look, we've did in 2019, say, look, we've got brexit deal here. we got this brexit deal here. we want pass this. the want to pass this. the parliament it's parliament is rotten. it's stopping doing what we stopping us from doing what we want. we're going to go to the people, mandate. of people, get that mandate. and of course successful course he was very successful almost fighting against the establishment in that election. do you that could work do you think that could work a second time or will people say, hang have not hang on, guys, you have it's not like where you didn't like last time where you didn't have majority. got a have a majority. you've got a majority. yes. you don't have a majority. yes. you don't have a majority the house lords, majority in the house of lords, but you've got a majority in the commons. can't do your job? >>i job? >> i think it it might work with some anti—immigration voters because at least look because it would at least look like doing like the government is doing something. big problem, something. and the big problem, of course, is labour doesn't something. and the big problem,

of coiane, is labour doesn't something. and the big problem, of coian answer.our doesn't something. and the big problem, of coyan answer. right?esn't something. and the big problem, of coian answer. right? safe and have an answer. right? safe and legal not an legal routes is not an alternative because you need, if you any kind of controls, you want any kind of controls, the rwanda a the battle over rwanda is a battle people with a bad battle between people with a bad answer and people with no answer. going answer. but it's not going to split the electorate in the same way brexit did. and way that brexit did. and secondly, brexit was a new problem, boris problem, right? and boris johnson was prime johnson was a new prime minister. so was like, okay, minister. so it was like, okay, fine, know, boris new fine, you know, boris is new brexit only happened in 2016. the been in brexit only happened in 2016. the for been in brexit only happened in 2016. the for 14 been in brexit only happened in 2016. the for 14 years. been in brexit only happened in 2016. the for 14 years. by been in brexit only happened in 2016. the for 14 years. by the en in brexit only happened in 2016. the for 14 years. by the next power for 14 years. by the next election and immigration has been issue for been a problem or an issue for the entire time. so i think that even you're if you're a even if you're even if you're a voter to like the voter who's minded to like the legislation, be a legislation, there will be a sense like, guys, why are you sense of like, guys, why are you trying legislation trying to pass this legislation now? from now? what were you doing from 2015 when you first ruled on your little bit? your own without a little bit? so is this only so now why is this only happening i think it'll happening now? so i think it'll be to win an be very difficult to win an election on that basis. >> also seeing >> and we're also seeing some consternation within the parliamentary conservative party. that party. there's a tweet that i believe look at from believe we can look at now from damian the former damian green, the former immigration minister, criticising the former home secretary, saying that her idea to oversight to get rid of oversight from courts, domestic courts, both domestic and international, is the most unconcern conservative statement that has ever heard from

that he has ever heard from a conservative politician. he compares this idea of giving the state power to override legal constraints as something that putin would do or president xi would do . do you think that's a would do. do you think that's a widely held view amongst conservatives? >> it will cause deep disquiet. what we've got and i think we're only in the foothills of this, i think this is going to be a really big issue over the next decade, two decades is that the uk committed many legal uk is committed to so many legal obugafions uk is committed to so many legal obligations both obligations as both international and domestic, and a are like vaguely a lot of those are like vaguely worded, nice sounding statements, which then the judges, very for judges, it's very hard for government , very for government to act, very hard for government to act, very hard for government there government to act because there are grounds legal are so many grounds for legal challenge. judicial review are so many grounds for legal chalalways judicial review are so many grounds for legal chalalways partial review are so many grounds for legal chalalways part of review are so many grounds for legal chalalways part of ourew has always been part of our constitution, but there's far more than there was more of it than there was before. so what you get before. and so what you get instead is you get the backlash, which politicians suella which is politicians like suella braverman which is politicians like suella braversimple like cut through really simple like cut through the just just the gordian, not just just ignore courts and go ignore all of the courts and go and your own thing bad, and do your own thing bad, right? having judicial right? like having judicial oversight is oversight of the executive is important . and because currently important. and because currently judicial oversight just leads to getting nothing done. so i think we are going to need to look at

a think suella was answering. >> so in your view, the government needs to do this middle of perhaps reform middle path of perhaps reform the bits of the way unpick certain bits of constraint, but leave other bits you to need to do it you need to you need to do it properly, which properly, right, which is you need look at all of the need to look at all of the obugafions need to look at all of the obligations that we've got which make impossible. obligations that we've got which make need impossible. obligations that we've got which make need to impossible. obligations that we've got which make need to imp> is obviously one, >> the echr is obviously one, but supreme referenced >> the echr is obviously one, b|numbeerreme referenced >> the echr is obviously one, b|number ofeme referenced >> the echr is obviously one, b|number of others referenced >> the echr is obviously one, b|number of others and eferenced >> the echr is obviously one, b|number of others and then 1ced >> the echr is obviously one, b|number of others and then you a number of others and then you need need to reform or need to you need to reform or repeal that legislation because otherwise this otherwise you end up with this crazy position where got crazy position where you've got this law this mass of unwieldy law and then got individual then you've just got individual policy which ignore then you've just got individual pccompletely. which ignore it completely. >> recipe for bad >> and that's a recipe for bad policy both directions. you policy in both directions. you need politicians need do policy in both directions. you nee hard politicians need do policy in both directions. you nee hard work icians need do policy in both directions. you nee hard work ofans need do policy in both directions. you nee hard work of lookingi do policy in both directions. you nee hard work of looking at do the hard work of looking at everything they've or everything they've passed or signed years. and signed on the last 20 years. and deciding or not it deciding whether or not it actually . wow. actually works. wow. >> a that a job of >> that is a that is a job of work to do. perhaps that's why politicians want do it. politicians don't want to do it. precisely. hill, you precisely. henry hill, thank you so for a very so much for making a very complicated sound a lot complicated issue sound a lot more digestible. well up next, a gb news exclusive of dozens of dangerous prisoners have been

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dangerous ex—prisoners with severe court order restrictions have been mismanaged by an oxford job centre putting the pubuc oxford job centre putting the public at risk. a whistleblower whistleblower has told gb news as high risk ex—convicts , as high risk ex—convicts, including violent sexual offenders , murderers and rapists offenders, murderers and rapists , were managed at the job centre in central oxford without their restrictions being recorded or observed, leading to several violations of public protection arrangements in one shocking example, a child sex offender who groomed his victims online was given a smartphone by the job centre without any restrictions placed upon it . our restrictions placed upon it. our reporter charlie peters has this exclusive report . exclusive report. >> could we be working with convicted murderers, rapists and sex groomers? is it possible that paedophiles released from prison can be given internet enabled devices? gb news has heard allegations from a former

civil servant at the department for work and pensions that a system in job centres designed to help former prisoners get back into work is not only flawed, but putting the public and even victims of their crimes at risk . i met with mark, not at risk. i met with mark, not his real name, who joined the oxford job centre in april 2021 and took on responsibilities for handung and took on responsibilities for handling ex prisoners. >> there was absolutely no support , no handover, no support, no handover, no specialist training . i would be specialist training. i would be supporting sexual offenders , supporting sexual offenders, violent offenders, stranger rapists . rapists. >> when working with ex—prisoners , dwp, civil ex—prisoners, dwp, civil servants should process intelligence called multi—agency pubuc intelligence called multi—agency public protection arrangements or mappa that detail their restrictions in work and training . mark alleged that this training. mark alleged that this information was often missing . information was often missing. >> i later learned of a universal credit claimant. i was interviewing . he had mappa interviewing. he had mappa

conditions due to the fact he was a sexual offender, but there was a sexual offender, but there was no map intelligence or safeguarding measures pinned to his digital account. i safeguarding measures pinned to his digital account . i contacted his digital account. i contacted the mappa lead for the office and response that i got back was if we don't have the mapping telligence from the national probation service , we do not probation service, we do not chase it. that is not our job. chase it. that is not ourjob. and at that point i realised we have a huge problem . have a huge problem. >> mark also claimed that there were problems in storing and reviewing information about ex—prisoners or the physical mappa documentation is stored under lock and key in a cabinet, but when i first accessed that folder, i was absolutely appalled. >> clearly hadn't been reviewed for over ten years. there was over 20 mappa documents in that folder where court order restrictions had expired years pnor restrictions had expired years prior to me accessing that folder after an incident where a convicted paedophile was allegedly given a smartphone against his restrictions , mark against his restrictions, mark notified the office that they had a big problem.

>> did we have sexual offenders, stranger rapists , applying for stranger rapists, applying for work, applying for training opportunities that still had mappa restrictions in place , mappa restrictions in place, court order restrictions. >> we just didn't know. it was impossible to ascertain , a impossible to ascertain, a senior manager wrote back to say, you have identified a massive risk for both this case and wider. >> but mark alleged that nothing was done . no safeguarding was done. no safeguarding measures were put in place and more incidents occurred. gb news has heard compelling testimony about other incidents where the dwp allegedly failed to observe restrictions applied to ex—prisoners . restrictions applied to ex—prisoners. in one case, restrictions applied to ex—prisoners . in one case, the ex—prisoners. in one case, the oxford job centre offered work to a notorious paedophile , while to a notorious paedophile, while he had already been given a laptop with internet access . laptop with internet access. this man, who we cannot name for legal reasons , preyed on legal reasons, preyed on vulnerable young girls in one of britain's worst grooming gang scandals . britain's worst grooming gang scandals. mark said that he kept reporting these alleged failures but was not listened . to

but was not listened. to >> my caseload was a minefield , >> my caseload was a minefield, an absolute minefield. i had no support in this matter. no one was taking it seriously with the strain of working with ex—prisoners and what he said was a failure to react to his concerns. >> mark had a total breakdown and has been hospitalised regularly since . regularly since. >> you lose composure and rationality . my role was my tool rationality. my role was my tool to keep people safe. you take the role away. you still have the role away. you still have the concerns and the public are still at risk. but you can't do anything about it. you've been silenced by the very people that are supposed to be supporting you . you. >> well, we invited the department of work and pensions to come on the programme, but they declined . but in they declined. but in a statement they insist former convicts are monitored in the workplace and they promised to investigate . the statement says, investigate. the statement says, we take all staff concerns very

seriously and are committed to investigate any issues that are raised . documents held by oxford raised. documents held by oxford globsec on customers with restrict options are up to date and regularly reviewed. training is provided for jobcentre staff nationwide and we continue to work closely with thames valley probation service and others. so we have the necessary detail on application applicants, personal circumstances . well, i'm joined circumstances. well, i'm joined in the studio by our investigative reporter charlie peters, and charlie , just how peters, and charlie, just how shocking is this? do we know that this is an isolated incident in oxford or could this be around the country? >> well, this is the big question now. how widespread is this problem? we do know from these claims by our whistleblower that this has been an extensive problem, according to them, in the oxford oxford job centre story for some time. i mean, we first heard about these allegations earlier this yean these allegations earlier this year, and we look through very compelling testimony and allegations going back for

several months before the start of this year. but gb news has also heard from whistleblowers at other job centres, also heard from whistleblowers at otherjob centres, both in at other job centres, both in the region surrounding oxfordshire , but also others oxfordshire, but also others further away say raising similar concerns about the processing of dangerous prisoners. without these mappa conditions, these court order restrictions that detail what you can and cannot do, being properly recorded or processed in some cases they're not there at all and going through all this evidence and of course there's so much we can't even include in that package just due to the length of the reporting. many the reporting. many of the ex—offender , those who are ex—offender, those who are looking for work , actually looking for work, actually informed their work coaches that they had restrictions during the course of being interviewed. so nothing was on their accounts and whistleblowers and work coaches in these job centres have said to us, you know, i've offered someone work as a cleaner at a school and they've said, no, i can't do that. i'm a paedophile. that kind of conversation in job conversation happening in a job centre. at the moment we

centre. so at the moment we don't know just how widespread this problem is. shocking but it clearly is a significant issue. in particular in oxford , relying in particular in oxford, relying on criminals themselves to explain their own restrictions. >> just in our last final few seconds, is this a problem of frankly laziness in the civil service or or a problem of digitalisation ? where does the digitalisation? where does the fault lie ? fault lie? >> there are many factors at play >> there are many factors at play here, according to the whistleblowers, but the main allegation that they are making and in particular mark, who we heard from that is heard from in that report, is that systematic failure to that is a systematic failure to properly process the information. there are so many moving parts , so many different moving parts, so many different agencies these agencies involved in these pubuc agencies involved in these public protection arrangements. agencies involved in these publit protection arrangements. agencies involved in these publit just ection arrangements. agencies involved in these publit just seems, rrangements. agencies involved in these publit just seems, accordingits. agencies involved in these publit just seems, according to and it just seems, according to them, that they're not doing their duties. >> well, charlie thank >> well, charlie peters, thank you so much bringing that you so much for bringing us that shock harrowing shock and at times harrowing reports really , really profound reports really, really profound stuff. there but it's time for your news headlines now with tatiana sanchez .

tatiana sanchez. >> tom, thank you. this is the latest from the newsroom. the former home secretary says the prime minister's plan to deport migrants to rwanda will fail unless he opts out of the european convention on human rights >> s will the prime minister rescue the rwanda plan? mrs. braverman suella braverman, who was sacked this week, says the proposed new treaty and legislation is simply a tweaked version of the failed plan . version of the failed plan. >> a writing in the telegraph she set out what she's calling her five tests to ensure deportation flights can take off. mrs. braverman says rishi sunaks proposal will get bogged down in the courts to her 12 year old boys charged with murder of a 19 year old man are due to appear in court. sean siyahi zahawi was attacked in wolverhampton on on monday night and died at the scene. the children who cannot be named because of their age, have also been charged with possession of a bladed article retail sales

have unexpectedly fallen , have unexpectedly fallen, dropping to their lowest level since the pandemic took the office for national statistics says retail sales volumes dipped o.3% says retail sales volumes dipped 03% last month. analysts had expected a rise . retailers blame expected a rise. retailers blame the cost of living, reduced footfall and wet . weather to footfall and wet. weather to £83 billion, has been promised to fix what the prime minister has described as the scourge of potholes. the funding for road maintenance in england will be available to local authorities over decade and the over the next decade and the money was saved by scrapping the hs2 rail line north of birmingham . for more on all of birmingham. for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website gbnews.com . for website gbnews.com. for exclusive limited edition and rare gold coins that are always newsworthy . newsworthy. >> rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial

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&co & co weeknights from . six & co weeknights from. six >> welcome back. it's 1139. and you're with britain's newsroom here on gb news with me tom harwood . now cheese. it's yummy. harwood. now cheese. it's yummy. mouldy yellow and sometimes squishy, but camembert makers are up in arms. my panel squishy, but camembert makers are up in arms . my panel guests are up in arms. my panel guests from the previous hour returned dawn neesom and matthew stadlen and dawn . what is up with our and dawn. what is up with our dead tree? goodness. this time ? dead tree? goodness. this time? >> did you write that? i didn't write. >> i actually write that i didn't write that. i have to say, i didn't write the word squishy. my wonderful production team have put these words into my mouth. >> you don't have to say them. this is a very serious story. how do you use both squishy? yeah. this the daily mail.

yeah. this is in the daily mail. it's in france have it's cheesemakers in france have hit at an eu. them hit out at an eu. move them again outlaw the again to outlaw outlaw the wooden boxes that contain camembert . you know when you go camembert. you know when you go and get, you know, the round, sort of like a like a cardboard type you type thing. how would you describe it? >> it's sort of halfway between wood cardboard, it? wood and cardboard, isn't it? yeah, exactly what yeah, i know exactly what you mean. wood, perhaps ? yes, probably. >> very probably , yeah. it's not >> very probably, yeah. it's not squishy in any way, but the proposals to coordinate packaging across the eu bloc, we've been here, it's all got to be the same etcetera. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it all has to be the same by 2030, which means that the camembert boxes are literally toast like cheese on toast . toast like cheese on toast. >> oh, very good. >> oh, very good. >> i would thought that >> i would have thought that wooden more economic wooden boxes are more economic or more environmentally friendly than plastic. >> the same. that's the thing. and french are and that's what the french are saying. they're well, saying. they're saying, well, they are very environmentally friendly, put it friendly, if you want to put it all plastic . so the same all in plastic. so the same across it's not across the eu bloc, it's not very environmentally friendly. so in arms and this so they are up in arms and this affects us not obviously because we are part of the eu anymore, which we are not, but because we

don't make our own camembert , don't make our own camembert, because is french. because camembert is french. >> it's geographical >> so and it's got geographical protection on it, i imagine. >> i would have thought so. >> i would have thought so. >> we import our camembert >> so we import our camembert and going to be and now we are not going to be able have camembert in wooden able to have camembert in wooden boxes. this is right. yes. that's boxes. this is right. yes. thait's be going >> it's going to be it's going to be in in plastic, which is not good. not very good. >> like it's >> that sounds like it's completely direction completely opposite direction of just anything else we're just about anything else we're buying. do know buying. exactly. do you know what the house of commons recently has changed its cutlery? used to have cutlery? you used to have disposable plastic cutlery and as of very recently, the last couple of weeks, it's turned into this horrible dispose of stuff that just doesn't work , stuff that just doesn't work, like wooden stuff, like wooden and slightly papery. and yeah, i have a thing about wood and like, you know, easily sticks and i just don't like the feel. >> a very long time ago when i was up, we were told not was growing up, we were told not to waste paper. that was a big thing. right now we seem to be using quite a lot of wood or papen using quite a lot of wood or paper. do we? >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> and that's not a good thing if we're thinking about

protecting our forests, which are, way, are very still are, by the way, are very still are, by the way, are very still a important component in a very important component in the change. >> very complicated, change. >> it very complicated, change. >> it? very complicated, isn't it? >> and it's just all about squishy cheese and a very, very important story. >> so much for >> dawn, thank you so much for bringing to attention. bringing it to our attention. i think is most profound think it is the most profound challenge face, challenge we currently face, not just country, as just as a country, but as a continent. exactly. matthew perhaps turning continent. exactly. matthew perhapsturning something perhaps turning to something slightly more serious, the front page of the guardian today is talking about sexual assault and harassment in the ministry of defence. >> yeah, this is a much more serious story and it's a bombshell. it is . i find it bombshell. it is. i find it really surprising, actually , and really surprising, actually, and shocking that what are we now , shocking that what are we now, six years after the metoo movement began, that one of the great offices of state. i don't mean of course the secretary of defence, secretary of state for defence, secretary of state for defence himself, but the minister of defence seems to be riddled with sexism and misogyny. so 60 senior women, senior women and 60 of them, that's a lot at the ministry of defence have described a hostile and toxic culture for in a

letter that alleges sexual assault, harassment and abuse by assault, harassment and abuse by a male colleagues. and some examples are given and they're all very, very reprehensible. the mod has said for its part that it's very concerned about this and i hope very much that they will get on top of it. but why are we still seeing these sorts of stories? that is the point. >> matthew. i'm shocked that you're shocked that every woman listening and watching this will tell you now that they are not shocked. goes on every shocked. this goes on in every single industry. and since the hashtag metoo movement , hashtag metoo movement, actually, nothing's changed. nothing's changed. >> one of the really interesting, important points i think that you make because i remember discussing this just just one this morning, i think i made at least two. >> come on. >>- >> come on. >> but i remember on national radio discussing the and debating the metoo movement and extensively and almost exhaustively and one of the things that was brought up at the time was when one hoped that

this would finally change things. few voices piped .up and said, but will it really? or will we just return? and it seems from this sort of article that it hasn't changed things or at least not remotely sufficiently? >> well, we're going to to >> well, we're going to have to pause because just pause now because we've just heard from the prime minister heard in from the prime minister a interview with the a very latest interview with the prime minister minutes ago, speaking . let's hear he had speaking. let's hear what he had to . to say. >> progress. people may not know this, that this year, because of all the things that we've done, the number of illegal migrants crossing to the uk is down by a third. now, everyone told me that wasn't possible, but because hard , because we worked really hard, we're returning thousands of people places albania. people to places like albania. we've got the numbers down by a third already, but we're not going to stop there. that's progress. but want finish going to stop there. that's progjob 5. but want finish going to stop there. that's progjobs.blthat'ant finish going to stop there. that's progjob s. blthat meansfinish going to stop there. that's progjob s. blthat means getting the job and that means getting rwanda running. i'm rwanda up and running. i'm determined to everything determined to do everything it takes and takes to make that happen. and that bringing forward that means bringing forward emergency legislation that will

declare rwanda safe for declare that rwanda is safe for these purposes. negotiated these purposes. we've negotiated a new treaty with them, and we will sure domestic will make sure that domestic courts block systemically courts cannot block systemically our flights to rwanda. and i've been also very clear that i won't let a foreign court stop us getting a flight off. that's my i'm going work my plan. and i'm going to work night to make it happen. night and day to make it happen. >> don't you tinkering, >> why don't you just tinkering, though, a and you though, with with plan a and you don't really have a serious alternative of. >> as i said, the progress >> no. as i said, the progress we've made this year on tackling this issue is meaningful . the this issue is meaningful. the number of crossings are down by this issue is meaningful. the n|thirdr of crossings are down by this issue is meaningful. the n|third thiscrossings are down by this issue is meaningful. the n|third this yearings are down by this issue is meaningful. the n|third this year because down by this issue is meaningful. the n|third this year because we're 3y a third this year because we're cooperating with working with other countries down on other countries to crack down on the gangs . we've the criminal gangs. we've returned 20,000 people places returned 20,000 people to places like albania, and that's why the numbers are down by a third. but i don't want to stop in i don't want to stop there in order finish the job, we've order to finish the job, we've got the rwanda up got to get the rwanda plan up and running. i will do whatever it to make that happen. it takes to make that happen. people this merry go people are sick of this merry go round. to end it. my round. i want to end it. my patience is wearing thin like everyone why everyone else is. that's why our emergency will make emergency legislation will make it crystal clear that rwanda is safe for these purposes. it meets all the concerns that

people raised because of people have raised because of our new arrangement with them and stop any more and we want to stop any more domestic challenges to this program . um, and i've also been program. um, and i've also been clear that we won't let a foreign court stand in the way of flight off to rwanda. >> it takes a long time , though, >> it takes a long time, though, as you know, for legislation to get parliament. as you know, for legislation to get you parliament. as you know, for legislation to get you call'liament. as you know, for legislation to get you call'lia|election if would you call an election if the block plan? the lords block your plan? >> doesn't have to take >> well, it doesn't have to take a long time get legislation a long time to get legislation through, question through, and that's a question for party. for the labour party. >> determined to get this >> we're determined to get this through possible. through as quickly as possible. so real question is, the so the real question is, are the labour in labour party going to stand in the stop from the way and stop this from happening? or are they going to work with us and support this bill it through as bill so we can get it through as quickly i that quickly as possible? i know that the british people want this problem know the problem gripped. i know the british this problem gripped. i know the briti law this problem gripped. i know the briti law to this problem gripped. i know the briti law to pass this problem gripped. i know the briti law to pass so this problem gripped. i know the briti law to pass so we this problem gripped. i know the briti law to pass so we cans problem gripped. i know the briti law to pass so we can get new law to pass so we can get flights rwanda. so really flights off to rwanda. so really the is for keir starmer the question is for keir starmer and don't they? >> damian green has said overall ming laws is akin to putin in russia . russia. >> this is not about overruling laws. this is about us meeting the concerns of the supreme court with our new treaty that we have been working on for a

while in anticipation that this might our new laws might happen. but our new laws will make it crystal clear that parliament's view is that because of those arrangements, rwanda country for us rwanda is a safe country for us to be able to run this programme and that there should be no more challenges domestically to that. i what the british i think that's what the british people want. they're patience has mine . has worn thin, as has mine. everyone's frustrated with this problem . we've to now problem. we've just got to now get past this gridlock. we've got this law , get got to pass this new law, get flights off to rwanda. that's what i'm going do. when i what i'm going to do. when i said going to stop the said i was going to stop the boats, i meant it. >> you say everyone supports that. not take to that. why not take it to the country and ask them if they do? >> i think people just >> well, i think people just want fixed. that's want the problem fixed. that's what here do. and this want the problem fixed. that's whatwe've here do. and this want the problem fixed. that's whatwe've already). and this want the problem fixed. that's whatwe've already). arthe 1is year we've already got the numbers that's numbers down by a third. that's because new deals with because i've got new deals with the new with the french, a new deal with albania. working albania. we're working with turkey bulgaria, multiple turkey and bulgaria, multiple other countries. tackling turkey and bulgaria, multiple oth

order to finish the we need order to finish the job, we need to rwanda and running. we to get rwanda up and running. we can in can pass these laws in parliament will give us the parliament that will give us the powers need. powers and the tools we need. then can the flights off. then we can get the flights off. and whether it's a house of lords or the labour party standing i will take standing in our way, i will take them on because i to get them on because i want to get this and i want this thing done and i want to stop boats. stop the boats. >> final poll question >> one final poll question on the statement. we the autumn statement. here we are expectations are in a classroom expectations in on the wall in maths. it says on the wall behind what expectations can behind you what expectations can people now it people have of tax cuts? now it seems chancellor has seems the chancellor has a little more room. >> well, most important >> well, the most important thing economically that's happened we happened this week is that we met to met the pledge that i made to halve now course, halve inflation. now of course, i are still i know people are still suffering. they have been. so there's to do. that's there's work to do. but that's an because an important milestone because inflation it inflation is like a tax. it makes everyone feel it makes everyone feel poorer. it puts the prices of up, puts the prices of things up, eats savings, eats into your savings, your pensions. it was pensions. and that's why it was so important to halve inflation. i've delivered on that because i want to ease the burden on the cost of living for families. but that allows us to see what that allows us now to see what other can provide. other support we can provide. for example, winter for example, this winter pensioners receive hundreds pensioners will receive hundreds of extra support of pounds in extra support alongside winter fuel alongside their winter fuel payment to help with energy

payment to help them with energy bills because we know they're high. but look, this conservative government has delivered. starting delivered. we are starting to ease the on the cost of ease the burden on the cost of living. work to and living. there's work to do and you'll that next you'll hear more about that next week autumn statement. week in the autumn statement. >> , mr >> now, mr >> now, mr >> speaking in the last few minutes in bolsover in a primary school, talking about the autumn statement there at the end there, but also crucially about his plans for rwanda, your reaction? reaction, matthew, just astonished. >> i just is there a single view of gb news this morning? who buys into any of this stuff, not only as we've discussed, is the plan a really poor plan because we're not going to be able to send enough people to rwanda even if are allowed to send even if we are allowed to send people to rwanda. but he's saying that the british public are sick and tired of this, as is he, that the sick and tired of this merry go round. he's the prime minister. he's he's suggesting that he's up against these these sort of hostile forces. he's the prime minister. this is his plan. forces. he's the prime minister. this is his plan . he should own this is his plan. he should own

it. it's failed . get on and it. it's failed. get on and secure our borders. and you're not going to do that by flushing more and more taxpayers money down the loo in a policy that won't work. >> he's the prime minister, but it has been the courts that have stopped him, not for the house of commons warned about that and the big criticism here is it could the house of lords that could be the house of lords that stops his new legislation. >> knew all this would >> he knew all this and would have been of all this have been advised of all this when came this when he came up with this flagship policy. this is a government that has been in power 13 years. this is power for 13 years. this is their main he us he their main policy. he told us he would stop the boats. keeps would stop the boats. he keeps on saying he's stopped on saying now that he's stopped a of the boats. that means a third of the boats. that means he thirds of a third of the boats. that means he boats. thirds of a third of the boats. that means he boats. no thirds of a third of the boats. that means he boats. no one thirds of a third of the boats. that means he boats. no one is thirds of a third of the boats. that means he boats. no one is buying; of a third of the boats. that means he boats. no one is buying it. the boats. no one is buying it. >> dawn , do you think that >> dawn, do you think that sounded a like we might sounded a bit like what we might hear general election hear from the general election campaign tried campaign saying, look, i tried to stop the boats, but the house of lords stopped me electing me so deal with this once and so i can deal with this once and for all. >> might forall. » might >> i might be wrong here. you're the journalist more the political journalist more than if the house of than me, but if the house of lords, if it does overrule it, there mechanist ism in there is a mechanist ism in place where the house of commons, the parliament, elected

. yeah, but the parliament act means that the house of lords can delay for a year. >> right now that takes to us the election. that's fine the next election. that's fine if it's at the start of a parliament, but we're at the end of parliament absolutely. of a parliament now. absolutely. >> i a couple things >> i mean, a couple of things there. thought he looked there. a, i thought he looked actually he actually quite ill. i think he looks think he looks exhausted. i think he looks exhausted. i think he looks like he's not sleeping at the moment. and understandably, the moment. and understandably, the that under the stress that he's under this week beginning to tell, i week is beginning to tell, i think. mean, this legislation week is beginning to tell, i thinihe mean, this legislation week is beginning to tell, i thinihe keeps this legislation week is beginning to tell, i thinihe keeps talkinggislation week is beginning to tell, i thinihe keeps talking aboutyn week is beginning to tell, i thinihe keeps talking about and that he keeps talking about and sort of like, you know, the european court of human rights and we going listen and we are not going to listen to courts anymore. to the european courts anymore. it was british court. there it was a british court. there were using were british judges using british legislation that stopped the . so are now the rwanda plan. so we are now going legislate, saying going to legislate, saying rwanda safe country. how rwanda is a safe country. how can the uk legislate a foreign country is safe because we can do that for gaza then, couldn't we? i mean, it's fine. absolutely no problem with gaza. we've legislated. it's fine. so i understand what i don't understand what legislation about. legislation he's talking about. the detail. the devil is in the detail. i think we're not being any detail. >> i think one the points is >> i think one of the points is this treaty is going to this new treaty that is going to

be going to forbid be signed is going to forbid refoulement or how have want refoulement or how have we want to pronounce is going refoulement or how have we want to forbidjnce is going refoulement or how have we want to forbid rwanda is going refoulement or how have we want to forbid rwanda sending going refoulement or how have we want to forbid rwanda sending people on to other countries that are unsafe in treaty level legislation . legislation. >> i think they look absolutely as part of what he's saying. do we think though, we seriously think, though, if you my premise , which is you accept my premise, which is that is an authoritarian that rwanda is an authoritarian state with the president, i said earlier , who's been power earlier, who's been in power since that they would if since 2000, that they would if it didn't suit them , obey it didn't suit them, obey a treaty britain, come on. if treaty with britain, come on. if we are prepared to break our international obligations, as we've might in we've hinted that we might in recent years tory government, recent years of tory government, do we seriously expect that rwanda uphold them? rwanda are going to uphold them? >> and the agreement already >> and the agreement was already there? legislation, there? it wasn't legislation, but there. but the agreement was there. >> memorandum of >> there was a memorandum of understanding will treat >> there was a memorandum of undpeople ing will treat >> there was a memorandum of undpeople that will treat >> there was a memorandum of undpeople that you will treat >> there was a memorandum of undpeople that you send.l treat >> there was a memorandum of undpeople that you send to reat >> there was a memorandum of undpeople that you send to us. the people that you send to us. >> it's only a >> and remember, it's only a small people and we small number of people and we accept in return . accept rwandans in return. >> what's happened is the law of diminishing returns. is a diminishing returns. this is a policy continues to fail. policy that continues to fail. so not junk the policy and so why not junk the policy and get about shoring up our get serious about shoring up our borders, with the french, borders, work with the french, get more patrol boats out, be prime minister might say he is

doing that . doing that. >> and have seen 22,000 >> and we have seen 22,000 people stopped the french people stopped by the french and british but we're british cooperation. but we're running the end of the running to the end of the programme . running to the end of the programme. up running to the end of the programme . up next, it's gb news programme. up next, it's gb news live with carver. what's live with emily carver. what's coming ? emily it indeed. coming up? emily it is indeed. >> you much , tom. so >> thank you very much, tom. so we're going to be looking in we're going to be looking at in a little more detail what a little bit more detail what rishi sunak actually has planned when the rwanda when it comes to the rwanda scheme . will it go ahead? will scheme. will it go ahead? will he able to get flights to he be able to get flights off to rwanda before the next election? it's looking unlikely . suella it's looking unlikely. suella braverman certainly does not think so. we're also going be think so. we're also going to be heading speak to heading to israel to speak to ellen levi , the israeli ellen levi, the israeli government spokesperson there, benjamin netanyahu . the prime benjamin netanyahu. the prime minister, has had a few controversial remarks, particularly over civilian casualty issues in the last day . casualty issues in the last day. so we'll be getting to grips with that as well. >> emily, look forward to seeing it. and indeed, we've come to the end of britain's newsroom today. you're with gb news. and thank you so much for your company over the last 2.5 hours. i'll be back with you with a brand new show on monday from

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and southwest england where we ha place. office weather warnings and southwest england where we ha place. abffice weather warnings and southwest england where we ha place. a lote weather warnings and southwest england where we ha place. a lot of veather warnings and southwest england where we ha place. a lot of sprayer warnings and southwest england where we ha place. a lot of spray and rnings in place. a lot of spray and surface water on the roads, but the rain will spread to most areas time to areas by the time we get to saturday some saturday morning. some quite heavy bursts in south—west heavy bursts in the south—west early tend to early on, but it should tend to clear . it's a start clear through. it's a damp start for most areas, but by mid—morning wales and south west england looking brighter. there will continue to be showers in scotland, most the scotland, but for most the afternoon we'll cheer up, brighten up with some sunny spells. day. but spells. a windier day. but a milder day tomorrow. temperatures in the south getting into the teens for a time. sunday looks also fairly blustery. gusty winds, particularly in the south. some brightness, but plenty more showers to come as well . bye for showers to come as well. bye for now

>> good afternoon. it's 12 pm. you're with gb news, live with me, emily carver. so coming up this friday afternoon, rishi sunak has just vowed to take on anyone even standing in the government's way over the rwanda plan after former home secretary suella braverman said the government will fail to send a single asylum seeker to rwanda before the next election. under the current plan, if it does not change. this comes as gb news can reveal around 1000 people have crossed the channel in only recent days. we'll be live in dover and the war on potholes. transport secretary mark harper has promised a change in the quality of local roads, with an £83 billion investment to local authorities over 11 years. could

we be seeing a clear road ahead ? we be seeing a clear road ahead? md and mps under threat? commons leader penny mordaunt says that some mps have come under increased threat after they voted against backing calls for a ceasefire in gaza. as pro—palestine protests continue . pro—palestine protests continue. we'll speak to an israeli government spokesman on all of that and more to come, but first your latest headlines with tatiana . tatiana. >> emily, thank you very much and good afternoon. this is the latest from the gb news room. the prime minister says he's determined to get his plan to deport asylum seekers to rwanda through as quickly as possible , through as quickly as possible, despite opposition . despite opposition. >> will the prime minister rescued the rwanda plan. mrs. braverman well, it's after the former home secretary said his attempts will fail unless he opts out of the european convention on human rights. >> suella braverman , who was >> suella braverman, who was sacked this week, says the proposed new treaty and legislation are simply a tweaked version of