get your we get started, let's get your latest news with . tamsin nana . latest news with. tamsin nana. >> thank you and good afternoon from the newsroom. it's 3:00. pro—palestinian marches are taking place in london and bristol with some supporters describing israel as a terror state occupation . more in israel state occupation. more in israel is a terrorist state. well, these pictures are coming to us from camden in north london, where demonstrators are waving palestinian flags amid a large police presence. there are also reports of around 200 protesters at london bridge station. british transport police are there. and a cordon is in place at the entrance. protesters are also marching in bristol. gb news reporter jeff moody is there are calling this a national day of action. >> and there's certainly plenty of action here in bristol. >> and there's certainly plenty of action here in bristol . we of action here in bristol. we think there's something around

5000 people that have taken to the streets today in bristol. there taking to the streets not just here, but in a hundred different cities and towns across our country . and the aim across our country. and the aim of today is for, as the organisers say, for ordinary people to voice their opinion and to call for a ceasefire in gaza. and to call for a ceasefire in gaza . so far it's been gaza. so far it's been a peaceful protest. plenty of banners and plenty of anger, plenty of debate on the streets . plenty of debate on the streets. but so far the police have been police ing this with a light touch and that does seem to have paid off. >> jeff moody in bristol there. well, one arrest has been made as just stop oil protesters hold as just stop oil protesters hold a people versus oil demonstration in the capital. oil activists met at the london eye near the shell headquarters there, marching against the government's decision to license more than 100 new oil and gas projects . the group says the projects. the group says the government is imprison ing peaceful protesters while protecting those who it describes as climate criminals.

gb news reporter will hollis is there. the city of london is at a standstill till now as just stop oil protesters take to the roads . roads. >> you can hear chants of just stop oil, save our children signs that say, granddad, what did you do to save my world? there are people of all ages here at this demonstration. it's called people versus oil. young and old, children and grandparent, all here united by one cause, stopping oil. but we know that this year the prime minister, rishi sunak , has minister, rishi sunak, has licensed 100 new gas and oil fields. there are lots of police here as well. there here because they are protecting the public, but they also have new power lines that came in earlier this year to arrest people that are disprot proportionately trying to affect road networks , which

to affect road networks, which is what just stop oil traditionally do . traditionally do. >> the israeli military is warning thousands of people to leave the south of gaza as it tightens its focus on hamas terrorists . their earlier terrorists. their earlier warnings saw scores of people move from the north of gaza amid the escalating conflict , but the escalating conflict, but leaflets have been dropped by the idf near the khan younis area, telling people to move again , this time westward . again, this time westward. meanwhile, israel says it will allow two truckloads of fuel into gaza each day following international pressure. the white house says fuel deliveries should continue to on a regular bafis should continue to on a regular basis and in larger quantities . basis and in larger quantities. major advertisers are pulling their business from x, formerly known as twitter , amid a row known as twitter, amid a row over alleged anti—semitism . um, over alleged anti—semitism. um, it comes after the site's owner, elon musk, appeared to endorse a post that falsely claimed members of the jewish community were stoking hatred against white people. disney warner brothers and us network, nbc are

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until a ceasefire is called. and i'll be live with our reporter in bristol in just a moment. meanwhile just stop oil protesters are taking to the streets of london later today. now the protesters say that the government is waging war on the people for licensing more than 100 new oil and gas projects . do 100 new oil and gas projects. do you agree, then? stay tuned at 320, it's time for climate control. as climate heating gases reached record highs, according to a un report, should the government be doing more to reduce the burning of fossil fuels ? i'll be joined in the fuels? i'll be joined in the studio by jim dale and lewis perry to debate this and lord moylan, is the political spotlight for this week. daniel moylan sits in the house of lords after an illustrious career where he was he served as a diplomat and a former banker. he was also an adviser to boris johnson and he backed suella braverman for the conservative leadership role . he'll be leadership role. he'll be joining me in about 45 minutes time. that's on the way. and stay tuned at 5:00. my difficult conversation on a new generation

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to make these drugs available. you won't want to miss that. thatis you won't want to miss that. that is on the way the next that is on the way in the next houn that is on the way in the next hour, ever. tell me what you hour, as ever. tell me what you think we're think on everything we're discussing. views discussing. email gb views gbnews.com me at . gb gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. but let's start with things that have been going on consistently for weekends after weekend after weekend. pro—palestinian protesters, they're now holding more demonstrations across the uk as are calling for a national day of action, demanding a ceasefire in the ongoing israel—hamas conflict. now up to 100 rallies are planned at various locations across the country, and protesters say that they will keep on carrying on similar rallies until the ceasefire is achieved . and, well, our achieved. and, well, our reporter , our reporter jeff reporter, our reporter jeff moody has been covering the protest in bristol. moody has been covering the protest in bristol . and here's protest in bristol. and here's what he sent us. >> well, they're calling this a national day of action, and there's certainly plenty of action here in bristol. we think there's something around 5000

people that have taken to the streets today in bristol . streets today in bristol. they're taking to the streets not just here, but in a hundred different cities and towns across our country . and the aim across our country. and the aim of today is for, as the organisers say, for ordinary people to voice their opinion and to call for a ceasefire in gaza. so far it's been a peaceful protest . plenty of peaceful protest. plenty of banners, plenty of anger, plenty of debate on the streets . but so of debate on the streets. but so far the police have been policing this with a light touch and that does seem to have paid off. >> well, that was jeff moody, our reporter there. but protests seem to be the thing at the moment because just stop oil protesters are holding a people versus oil protest today as well . it's in in protest against the government licensing more than 100 new oil and gas projects. now the group say that the government is imprisoned peaceful and peaceful protesters and protecting criminals protecting the real criminals who boiling our planet. who are boiling our planet. well, joining me now from the

protests around on the ground is gb news reporter will hollis. will, so talk to me about these protesters. what are they saying? they're talking about boiling the planet. what have they to you ? they been saying to you? >> yes. well, this is just stop oil. and they're outside of shell's headquarters , as you can shell's headquarters, as you can see that there is a ring of steel and officers, at least 20 of them in front of that ring of steel. we're coming towards the end of this day of action, people versus oil and you can see that there's still around 100 people still hanging about. occasionally there'll be a speech and a couple of chants . speech and a couple of chants. but the reason that people are here are let's give three examples. one is because they say that oil companies are waging a war on young people, that there's a system that is condemning them to death because of fossil fuels. another one of the reasons is because they. mr rishi sunak, is in the pockets of big oil companies. now, a lot

of big oil companies. now, a lot of the people down here come from all sorts of walks of life , from all sorts of walks of life, but a lot of them are young and a lot of them are grandparents as well. they've started out here outside of shell's headquarters, but they've gone around the city of london doing around the city of london doing a bit of a snake and circle, crossing a couple of the bridges at the thames. and as they've been doing so, some of those protest leaders have been arrested . it is what you can arrested. it is what you can start to expect immediately from these protests, particularly because police recently had new powers to arrest people under the public order act under section seven, people that are disproportionately targeting key infrastructure like roads . and i infrastructure like roads. and i had a chance to speak to one gentleman as he was being arrested and a guy called john lardner. well i've been arrested, according to the police officers, for being too slow in moving off the road . slow in moving off the road. >> and because the road is an a

or a b road, which under section 30 or whatever it is, seven aiden is now now a punishable offence as far as i'm concerned , offence as far as i'm concerned, temporarily blocking the highway in order to emphasise the fact that that new oil and gas and coal licences spell a death knell for the children and grandchildren of these police officers and for you and for everybody. and i am being arrested for pointing this out because the government have passed laws to make protest very, very difficult to make. what before would have been legal is now illegal. so we have to ask ourselves, when laws no longer reflect justice in a properly functioning democracy , properly functioning democracy, we have to ask ourselves where are we going . are we going. >> well, there was a number of protest posters arrested here

today. protest posters arrested here today . we don't know what's today. we don't know what's happened to them since, but they were taken away in the back of a police van. i did actually ask john, what does he think of all the people that get really frustrated and maybe would even support their kind of cause ? and support their kind of cause? and he said that it's something that has to be done because that's how strongly he feels about it. and he's not the only one here in london protesting that. just stop. oil should happen isn't. >> well, thank you very much. always good to speak to you. thank you for that. that's will hollis there in london the hollis there in london at the just but let's just stop oil protest. but let's go to israel now because go over to israel now because overin go over to israel now because over in gaza , israeli forces over in gaza, israeli forces have continued their bombardment of city with over 20 of the city with over 20 palestinians killed overnight . palestinians killed overnight. now, this comes as hamas claimed responsibility for a shooting near jerusalem that killed an israeli soldier . near jerusalem that killed an israeli soldier. i'm joined now by mr uri geller, who is live in tel aviv. uri, thank you so much for joining us repeatedly each week and telling us what's been going can you you update going on. can you can you update us your your perspective ?

us from your your perspective? >> okay. i heard thank you, by the way, for having me on your show again, nana. i just heard all the conversation about the demonstrations . and look, i want demonstrations. and look, i want all your viewers in the united kingdom and europe to listen to what i have to say about this. this is very important. listen what ever this is very important. listen whatever happened in israel is a warning because the same people who did it here in israel, the massacre , are israel, the massacre, are already in your country. and they will do exactly the same and exactly the same. now this is a part of a master plan of the islamic extremists. what what we call jihadists . they are what we call jihadists. they are terrorists right now . now, they terrorists right now. now, they this is such a master plan to take over the western society. and i'll tell you how they're i mean, this is it's crazy.

they're all over europe . they're they're all over europe. they're all over england. the same people, not all of them , but people, not all of them, but most of the people who are demonstrating there are jihadists . and in the coming ten jihadists. and in the coming ten years, 15 years, 20 years, they or the massacre that happened in israel will happen all over europe will happen, and it will happen all over england. so that's what i have to say about the demonstrations. now concerning gaza. what's happening there is we why hamas , happening there is we why hamas, isis? why don't they release the hostages ? is the women , the hostages? is the women, the children, the babies , the children, the babies, the elderly, the disabled , the elderly, the disabled, the holocaust victims , if they holocaust victims, if they release all of them , no doubt in release all of them, no doubt in my mind there will be a ceasefire . ceasefire. >> yeah, you know what you said at the beginning, though? some people might say that that is a big conspiracy theory. although ihear

big conspiracy theory. although i hear you . because if we don't i hear you. because if we don't police our borders correctly, then there is no doubt the people from hamas could easily seep through, especially the way, as you've seen across europe, the borders are so porous . and with the carl porous. and with the carl heneghan, there's no real checking of who's where. so it's quite easy for them to do this. and we have heard reports that that often been that that has often been a master for many these master plan for many of these groups. might that groups. but some might say that it's i it's conspiracy theory, but i want to talk to you with regard to the hostages, because israel have admitted benjamin netanyahu has admitted that there have been way more civilian casualties than he was anticipating. and of course, that may reflect on why hamas haven't released the hostages. could could that be one of the bartering things they're going to use ? to try and use? >> look, i'm not a politician and i don't really know what's going in the inner circle of political. the political groups and the army and the navy and the air force. but what i do know is that it is a war and if

hamas isis did not do this , this hamas isis did not do this, this this wouldn't have this would have not happened. we are waiting for the release of all the hostages release all the hostages . a ceasefire will come . hostages. a ceasefire will come. i release all the hostages. we must bring these kids home. we must bring these kids home. we must bring these kids home. we must bring their babies home. yeah. nana nana. they kidnap babies . nine yeah. nana nana. they kidnap babies. nine months old. babies >> but they would argue. i mean, would. they would argue. and you hear them arguing that this war started well before the seventh, and that babies and women and children are being killed in gaza as a result. but look , gaza as a result. but look, nana, i'm sorry to hear about that. >> women and children being killed in gaza. we have nothing against the palestinians and as itold against the palestinians and as i told you before, i am attached to a charity here in israel that is called save a child's heart. so far, we have saved the lives of 8000 children with open heart

surgery from 68 countries, half of them are palestinians , of them are palestinians, believe it or not. while this war is going on, sick children in from gaza are coming to be healed in israel, in hospitals, in israel. so we have no war. we have nothing against the gazan people, the palestinian people . people, the palestinian people. we have a major massive problem with hamas, isis let their children go out, release the kids , release them today, kids, release them today, release them. >> i wish they would. i don't know why they don't worry. it's always good to talk to you. you stay safe and we'll hopefully speak to you again next week. thank very much. thank you very much. >> thank you. bye. thank you very much. >> that k you. bye. thank you very much. >> that is/ou. bye. thank you very much. >> that is uri bye. thank you very much. >> that is uri geller. he is a mystifier . >> that is uri geller. he is a mystifier. he's well >> that is uri geller. he is a mystifier . he's well known >> that is uri geller. he is a mystifier. he's well known and he's there living in israel, giving us an update on the situation between israel and hamas. well, if you just join me, welcome on board. it's fast approaching. 20 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are at the people's

channel. coming up just op oil protesters taken the protesters have taken to the streets london they claim streets of london and they claim that the government is waging war on the people for licensing more than 100 and gas more than 100 new oil and gas projects. do you agree with them? be speaking to them? i'll be speaking to japanese reporter the japanese reporter live on the ground. we've just chat ground. we've just had a chat with him. up , though, lois with him. next up, though, lois perry jim climate perry and jim dale, climate control

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& co weeknights from. six 23 minutes after 3:00. >> this is gb news. if you're just tuned in, welcome on board. you haven't missed too much. just we've just 20 minutes. but we've got a lot to through. i've got so lot to get through. i've got so much up. it's time much coming up. it's now time for climate control meteorologists and social commentator jim is meteorologists and social commentatorjim is the commentatorjim dale is in the studio as studio with me, as well as political commentator of 26 lois perry. okay, let's start with the just stop oil protests . i'm the just stop oil protests. i'm going to start i'm going to have to start with jim, because what do you make of it? because they're talking about you. >> yeah, the just stop oil process that in london today as previously they're sending out a message and it's an extremely important message. >> allowed to do that. >> they're allowed to do that. >> they're allowed to do that. >> they're allowed to do that. >> the message is that they we're luminous we're wearing luminous day tops made fossil fuels, probably. >> well, that's and we probably got here by car. >> yeah, i don't think not necessarily . necessarily. >> you don't know that but they're sending out very they're sending out a very important and it goes important message and it goes with the fact that 2023, 99.9% will be the hottest year globally on record ad for

120,000 years, give or take. and thatis 120,000 years, give or take. and that is why they're there , that is why they're there, because they've shown a concern, not necessarily for themselves, but for their children. >> grand children, etcetera. that's what it's about. it's not a selfish man. >> just briefly, because i know lois was just about to come in 120,000 years worth of records. did we have records from 120,000 years or. >> no, we have records for 120,000 years because we look at ice cores. >> w- f- w— >> we look at soil samples, scientists , geologists, scientists, geologists, geologists, people than geologists, better people than me, you and lois, they they do this, they extract, they look, they see, and they, you know , they see, and they, you know, you know, this works. >> if they can dig up dinosaur cores they . cores and decide when they. >> you don't know what i know, lois . lois. >> e- e" e“ e truth the ice cores >> the truth is, the ice cores actually show the opposite to what jim's saying. actually show the opposite to what jim's saying . they show what jim's saying. they show that periods in that there's been periods in history it's been a lot history where it's been a lot warmer, especially in this country. also , you know, country. we have also, you know, we have also had periods of time where were connected to where we were connected to europe broken away. europe and we've broken away. you know, so throughout history , you know, so throughout history, the earth warmed and cooled the earth has warmed and cooled down. had this discussion

down. we've had this discussion so many times, james, the fact that you've just used ice cores to and back up your your to try and back up your your version of events is quite interesting , actually, because interesting, actually, because they say the opposite. but they all say the opposite. but isn't the truth that the just stop oil protesters should really be actually protesting against the hamas supporting protesters today? because with all those rockets that have been let off and all that concrete used in the tunnels, they're surely using a lot more co2 than any that's a completely and utterly separate entity. >> is . you know it. >> you know, it is. you know it. >> hold on, hold on. >> hold on, hold on. >> hold on, hold on. >> hold on. >> hold on. >> we need to go into to >> we don't need to go into to palestine hold palestine and. no, no, hold on. >> no, no. you can't >> sorry. no, no, no. you can't separate all of this because the whole that the whole thing is the fact that the world is interconnected. so what you place affects you do in one place affects another on so forth. another and so on and so forth. that's the she's making. that's the point she's making. it's point, and it's a respectable point, and this good point. but but this is a good point. but but from yeah, go from your view, then, yeah, go on. stop surely they on. just stop oil. surely they should protesting, protesting should be protesting, protesting in, like in, say, china or somewhere like that. wouldn't be? that. wouldn't that be? >> they're britain and >> well, they're in britain and they're protest. they're entitled to protest. >> what protesting >> and what they're protesting against from against is the licences from this government have been this government that have been awarded companies to

awarded to oil companies to continue to the red that continue to the red line that that has become apparent over the last 30 or 40 years concerning fossil fuels. >> that's exactly what's going on. >> it's exactly why we're seeing the instances around the globe, not just in the uk, particularly around the globe, that are that are now happening simply because of the co2 that's gone into the atmosphere that is at record levels . that is why and if we go levels. that is why and if we go back to school, if you want to go back to school at ccie level, we can do that say this is we can do that and say this is this the greenhouse effect . this is the greenhouse effect. >> that's what's going on. >> and according exacerbating and according as and that's according to you as a as meteorologist and others as a meteorologist and others who . who say that. >> but there are those who think differently. >> absolutely. mean, since the >> absolutely. i mean, since the c02 >> absolutely. i mean, since the co2 been recorded co2 levels have been recorded in the they've , you know, the 1960s, they've, you know, they increased. but under they have increased. but under half of that increase is due to human activity. and over half is natural. rising in co2 levels. and we only account for 12% of c02 and we only account for 12% of co2 levels . in terms of the co2 levels. in terms of the

increase or . anyway. so you increase or. anyway. so you know, the whole co2 thing is so open for debate . there's so many open for debate. there's so many people that disagree with you. jim, for you to just state it as scientific fact. so science is about debate and there are lots and lots of scientists that we've said this a hundred times to each other, that disagree with you. but the point is this is as nana correctly said, this is as nana correctly said, this is as nana correctly said, this is a global issue . so there's is a global issue. so there's nothing that we can do in this country. you've got china building the same amount of gas. sorry coal fired power stations each year that we've got in total in this country. >> so, listen, lois , we know we >> so, listen, lois, we know we know frack baby . know frack baby. >> you're obviously being pushed by the fracking industry to say exactly that . exactly that. >> on on on tv. >> you're obviously being pushed by the truth is , by the renewables. the truth is, neither of are being funded neither of us are being funded by either of those groups, are we? you're not being by we? you're not being funded by renewables. and i'm not being funded fossil fuel funded by the fossil fuel industry . no. funded by the fossil fuel industry. no. but we both passionately industry. no. but we both paslet'stely industry. no. but we both paslet's just go back the co2

>> let's just go back to the co2 bit. you claiming that that bit. you were claiming that that half the co2 natural. half the co2 was natural. >> is the natural bit in that? >> tell me where that is actually coming from. >> a minute. this is >> so hang on a minute. this is go answer the question. go on. answer the question. okay. been it okay. well, i've been sent it this by physicist , this morning by by a physicist, actually by a doctor in physics . actually by a doctor in physics. but i can send you the information which is. tell me. just tell me just tell us because we're listening. because we're here listening. >> thing is , the >> so it's the thing is, the majority of the co2 in the atmosphere is natural. >> that's a fact. it's tell me. tell me where the where that natural element is coming from, because it's an example. no, it's not. falster two okay, hang on a minute . what do you mean on a minute. what do you mean it's false? you're the one that says that farming and methane and co2 production from farming and co2 production from farming and animal farming is not is not and animal farming is not is not a natural event . a natural event. >> it is a manmade event. >> it is a manmade event. >> hold on, hold on, hold on. farming has to be done. it is. it is. things that are given from cows and animals that live in natural that is part of in the natural that is part of mankind's evolution. one finish, then you can come back. >> in terms of our natural

emissions. so not emissions from burning fuels or whatever, but our natural emissions as humans , our natural emissions as humans, termites produce more co2 than us as humans. did you know that ? us as humans. did you know that? >> did you know that? >> did you know that? >> jim i think it's false, to be honest with you, by a long stretch. no, because. stretch. no, no, because. because absolutely because it's absolutely false. >> i just say >> everything i can i just say this. >> this program is called climate control. it's not climate. safe . thank you climate. we are safe. thank you very much. >> listen, not called it's >> listen, it's not called it's not oh, hold on not called. oh, hold on a second. this is weather. sorry, sorry decide is sorry. i'll decide what is within topic . within climate within the topic. within climate control, choose topics . control, i choose the topics. now, question that now, answer the question that lois you. what the lois posed to you. what was the question lois posed to you. what was the que forgot it . something lois posed to you. what was the queforgot it . something about >> forgot it. something about termites. termites. termites. i said termites. >> you aware? are you aware? >> are you aware? are you aware? in terms of our natural emissions? i'm talking about emissions? i'm not talking about emissions? i'm not talking about emissions example, you emissions, for example, from you and i from maybe putting a fire on or whatever. but our natural emissions is are less as human beings than termites. >> yes. no, they're not. and it's we, it's we humans and our practices. >> now, would you like me and

our various practices that have contributed to the highest co2 levels that we've seen since mankind has been on earth? >> okay. >> okay. >> so hold on. moving on is untrue. stop, stop. lois. sorry okay, so, first of all, since mankind came on earth, we don't have records that far back. so you're just saying that there is no to what you have? no evidence to what you have? >> yes, there is. >> there is. where is the evidence? >> i've already said to you, geologists look back at ice cores. soil cores. they look back at soil samples. can go back, you samples. you can go back, you can go beyond was on earth 300,000 years is about where it is. we weren't polluting the is. but we weren't polluting the earth that stage 300,000 earth at that stage 300,000 years ago. >> you don't have records from then. 120,000 years. then. you said 120,000 years. that's saying cannot that's why i'm saying you cannot say don't have ho. 110. >> can 90 no. >> can go back and it's >> you can go back and it's quite true in history. quite true in in history. >> no, no, listen , listen >> no, no, listen, i listen to what you and said you what you say. and you said you had for 120,000 years. had records for 120,000 years. >> i don't have the records or. >> i don't have the records or. >> who has the records now? >> geologists w—- w“ >> the geologists that look at this. a meteorologist, a geologist. >> this. this is how it >> they do this. this is how it works. is science as works. this is science as a wider term, the phrase you, which one that you used, which is the one that you used, have records from 120,000 years.

yeah, 300,000 have records from 120,000 years. yeah, ago. 300,000 have records from 120,000 years. yeah, ago. you 300,000 have records from 120,000 years. yeah, ago. you don't 300,000 have records from 120,000 years. yeah, ago. you don't have0,000 years ago. you don't have records of 180,000 by your records of 180,000 years by your own words, jim. all right, listen, if you're just tuned in, this gb news tv online and this is gb news on tv online and digital nana akua on digital radio. i'm nana akua on the way. political spotlight . the way. political spotlight. and for this week, lord daniel moylan will be joining in the moylan will be joining me in the studio look through his studio to look through his career the politician career as the politician as well as current state of british as the current state of british politics. here's your politics. but first, here's your latest with latest news headlines with tatiana . nana tatiana. nana >> thank you and good afternoon. 331 this is the latest from the newsroom. i'm pro—palestine supporters are marching in london with some heard reciting the controversial from the river to the sea. chant occupation . no to the sea. chant occupation. no more exterminate easily is a terrorist state. these pictures are from camden in north london where you can see demonstrators waving palestinian flags. there's also a large police presence at the rally . gb news presence at the rally. gb news reporter jeff moody is at a

march in bristol calling this a national day of action. >> and there's certainly plenty of action here in bristol. we think there's something around 5000 people that have taken to the streets today in bristol. there taking to the streets not just here, but in a hundred different cities and towns across our country . and the aim across our country. and the aim of today is for, as the organisers say , for ordinary organisers say, for ordinary people to voice their opinion and to call for a ceasefire in gaza. and to call for a ceasefire in gaza . so far it's been gaza. so far it's been a peaceful protest. plenty of banners , plenty of anger, plenty banners, plenty of anger, plenty of debate on the streets . but so of debate on the streets. but so far the police have been policing this with a light touch and that does seem to have paid off. >> at least four arrests have been made as just stop oil protesters hold a people versus oil demonstration in the caphal oil demonstration in the capital. activists met at the london eye near the shell headquarter as they're marching against the government's decision to license more than

100 new oil and gas projects. the group says the government is imprisoning peaceful protesters while protecting those who it describes as climate criminals . describes as climate criminals. the chancellor says there's a pathway to lower taxes ahead of next week's autumn. statement after a fall in inflation. it's understood jeremy hunt is considering cutting rates on inheritance and business tax in what could be one of the last fiscal announcements before the next election . for more on all next election. for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website, gbnews.com. now back to nana .

news the people's channel. britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> welcome back. 37 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua live on tv , online and nana akua live on tv, online and on digital radio. now, lots of you have been getting in touch with your views, so i'm going to read some of them out because we had a bit of a chat with jim dale perry, which is dale and lois perry, which is which says which is always fun. liz says the stop oil fools should the just stop oil fools should be protesting about just stop sewage and just stop. dog's mess. good one, tony says. why are just stop oil vegans wearing oil based clothes and wearing leather shoes ? should they not leather shoes? should they not be wearing wooden clogs ? i don't be wearing wooden clogs? i don't know. isn't that trees now? i mean, you're not going to have

much left, are you? maureen says.i much left, are you? maureen says. i want to know what what do want if they stop oil, do they want if they stop oil, what do they what are they doing? how do they live without oil? you ask them? how oil? why don't you ask them? how are we to live without oil ? are we to live without oil? yeah, we've them many yeah, we've asked them many times unfortunately, times and unfortunately, maureen, really have maureen, they don't really have much answer. they just go, much of an answer. they just go, well , it's not for much of an answer. they just go, well, it's not for us to much of an answer. they just go, well , it's not for us to decide. well, it's not for us to decide. we're here to out we're not here to work out politics. only politics. we're only here to save planet blah, blah, save the planet and blah, blah, blah. goes on like that. blah. and it goes on like that. it's literally hitting your it's literally like hitting your head wall as, it's literally like hitting your heidave wall as, it's literally like hitting your heidave has wall as, it's literally like hitting your heidave has said wall as, it's literally like hitting your heidave has said here,all as, it's literally like hitting your heidave has said here, he as, it's literally like hitting your heidave has said here, he said, as dave has said here, he said, my head is now bleeding from banging it on the desk, listening jim dale, jackie listening to jim dale, jackie and lois. no, no, lois, he doesn't add lois in there, but lucy says climate change is a real thing. i completely support them protesting, just not stopping ambulances. et cetera . stopping ambulances. et cetera. well, listen, lucy, i think most people would agree with you that climate change is a real thing because the climate is always changing. everything is always changing. everything is always changing. nothing stays the same, does it ever so to make that statement, it's fair enough. but whether we are responsible for large

proportions of that change is the question. and to attribute the question. and to attribute the blame of the changing climate entirely on mankind seems a bit well, a bit questionable to me. but we'll carry on asking those questions. well now, though, it's time for this week's political spotlight. and joining me to shine a light is a man who sits in the upper house of parliament, but he's a former diplomat and merchant banken former diplomat and merchant banker. also once served as banker. he also once served as the airport adviser to the chief airport adviser to bofis the chief airport adviser to boris johnson as mayor of london and worked as deputy chairman of transport for london, as well as the co—chairman of urban design at london in 2010, he was described as one of london's most powerful and colourful politicians by the evening standard. well, joining me now to shine a light this week is daniel moylan, more daniel moylan, or more appropriately, lord moylan. good afternoon, lord moylan . afternoon, lord moylan. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> to you . >> nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> afternoon. >> nice to see you. >> whatioon. >> nice to see you. >> what aon. >> nice to see you. >> what a fool i've suffered since 2010 when i was powerful. >> i'm not powerful at all now anyway. >> i just sit in the house of lords and chunder away. >> be fair though, it's

>> well, to be fair though, it's quite chamber. quite a powerful chamber. they can stop that government policies from going through like things if they things like rwanda. if they don't decide deem it . don't decide or deem it. >> it's certainly the case that the house of lords has quite a power of obstruction. >> if they choose to use it . and >> if they choose to use it. and towards the end of a parliament they get more powerful and more inclined to use it . so it they get more powerful and more inclined to use it. so it is going to be difficult for the government, i think, to get new legislation through the house of lords. >> it can ultimately the commons can override the lords, but that does take time. and does the government have enough time ? government have enough time? >> we have to see what the plan is. they don't. i don't know >> no, they don't. i don't know what going to do, what they're going to do, frankly. i mean, just frankly. i mean, it's just frightening. so you your frightening. so you have your lord had a very busy lord and you've had a very busy career in politics, seeing yourself as lord. now, did you imagine that you would a lord imagine that you would be a lord sitting in the house of lords? >> no, no, i never that as >> no, no, i never had that as a sort of ambition. >> i, i stood for parliament when i was quite young, back all the way back in 1983, and came

quite close to getting elected. >> i lost by 230 something votes. >> but but that's that's enough to lose you lose by one and but then because i had to work and i had to have a job and so on, i never became a sort of full time politician. and instead my political interests were diverted into more like local government. being a local councillor, which i was for nearly 30, for 30 years, but that was in london and that also got me involved then in london politics and involved with the mayoralty. and then when boris became mayor, he needed someone who had some transport experience to come on the board of tfl and politico . i did that. of tfl and politico. i did that. i'd done a lot of transport type stuff, environment planning , stuff, environment planning, things of that sort, that was my sort of area. so he asked me to be deputy chairman of tfl, which was he chaired it, but i was the deputy chairman sort of day to day, and i was doing that while i was still on the council. and, and that carried on. that came

to an end, of course , in 2016 to an end, of course, in 2016 when boris left office. sadiq was elected. he obviously wanted obviously sadiq is going to have his own people come in doing jobs like that. so we parted politely. nice exchange of letters and so on. it wasn't a bitter parting or anything. it was just a natural thing . so was just a natural thing. so i was just a natural thing. so i was really surprised. then when bofis was really surprised. then when boris said when he became prime minister that he'd like to nominate me for a peerage and i was grateful for that because actually it gave me another opportunity to carry on sort of contributing to public debate it really, because that's what the lords does . it's more it does lords does. it's more it does make decisions and it can hold things up. but fundamentally the government decides stuff. the lords is a place for debate and it's place it's a very interesting place for because of the for debate because of the diversity there. what diversity of opinion there. what are your thoughts then with regard calling for the regard to people calling for the lords to be an elected chamber ? lords to be an elected chamber? yeah, well, i think there's always going a case for always going to be a case for reform house of lords, reform of the house of lords, but always suggest to people but i'd always suggest to people who are thinking of that that the way to start is ask

the way to start is to ask yourself, what is it? the house of lords actually does? first question , is that worth doing question is, is that worth doing and necessary? is it a valuable thing to do and how will it be done better under any new system? now my answer to that be what? the house of lords does most of the time is it scrutinises legislation in detail and we do it without any limitation of time or limitation on speakers. i know it's really bonng on speakers. i know it's really boring for the government. they have to listen to us, but all this guillotining stuff and timetabling stuff you get in the commons where they've got so many no more debate many hours and no more to debate , and so on. we , particular bills and so on. we don't have any of that. so the government really has to answer detailed questions about legislation and i think it is worth doing . and my worry is if worth doing. and my worry is if you had people who were elected doing is that main doing it, is that their main focus, like commons, would focus, like the commons, would be getting re—elected and be on getting re—elected and being seen out there in their photographs and so on. they wouldn't be interested in doing that detailed work on legislation. that would legislation. and so that would

end completely. legislation. and so that would end that's completely. legislation. and so that would end that's the completely. legislation. and so that would end that's the worrypletely. legislation. and so that would end that's the worry ..etely. legislation. and so that would end that's the worry . buty. that's that's the worry. but there is always a case for reform . and course, you can't reform. and of course, you can't say that electing people is bad and there may be a way around it, it's going to be it, but it's going to be difficult to a lot more expensive. >> of course, i don't think i can put up with any more of these elections. i mean, the conservative party have just literally in literally tied themselves in knots and knots getting rid of leaders and putting in. and one of putting leaders in. and one of the backed, the people that you backed, though, was though, for leadership was suella though, for leadership was suewhen she was a contender , do >> when she was a contender, do you mean, the tory party you think i mean, the tory party i just don't know what to say about them. >> disappointed watching >> i'm so disappointed watching the they've but the way they've behaved. but do you think actually you do you think that actually suella make a suella braverman would make a better rishi sunak? better leader than rishi sunak? >> well, i think we've got to look circumstances we're look at the circumstances we're in and the party in at the moment and the party is in pretty shape . and i is in pretty poor shape. and i think the real worry is not who is the leader of the conservative party at the moment. the real worry is, as i saw a pollster say the other day , the public stopped , the public have stopped listening to conservative listening to the conservative party and that is because we haven't delivered what we promised to. i mean, i you know ,

promised to. i mean, i you know, i'm quite close to boris. i would have wanted boris. i wanted boris to stay on as leader. i think the mps who got rid of him were making jumping off a cliff and they didn't know what was the other side, what was at the bottom of the cliff. they jumped out. of they just jumped out. and of course, they've into course, what they've jumped into is, has turned out to be an is, is has turned out to be an abyss. they haven't reached bottom possibly . bottom yet, possibly. >> it's probably still the feet are in the mud. at the are stuck in the mud. at the bottom is still coming. >> coming off that cliff >> coming down off that cliff edge. haven't realised edge. and they haven't realised that. reached that. they haven't reached bottom. they have bottom. i think they have reached think they're sinking. >> i just think they're sinking. >> i just think they're sinking. >> i just think they're sinking. >> i think you've got to have >> so i think you've got to have an that people actually an appeal that people actually listen the is listen to. and the trouble is that we haven't delivered on key things. the small things. we promised the small boats be most boats is it may not be the most important that people important thing that people worry they may be more worry about. they may be more concerned understandably concerned and understandably about the cost of living and things like that. i understand that. but they look at it and they say, well, if you can't do that, what can you do? and we've we've completely failed to deliver on and it looks like deliver on it. and it looks like now on it at

now we won't deliver on it at all before the election. >> but with such a huge majority , how could they fail? how now i know i think the truth is covid did put a two year, you know, sort of disrupter into the whole thing. >> and the government , whether >> and the government, whether they made the right decisions about lockdowns is another story. but they had to handle it. they had that became the dominant thing. and i think they could got more during could have got more done during that but the whole of that time. but the whole of whitehall distracted and whitehall was distracted and focussed on covid and other focussed only on covid and other stuff never happened when i think should been think they should have been using make things using that time to make things happen, but they didn't have the bandwidth do it. bandwidth and they didn't do it. so trying to pick up so they're trying to pick up after that. heard boris after that. and i heard boris say and it's very wise of say once and it's very wise of him, said, the history of him, he said, the history of pandemics is the history of solidarity , followed by anger. solidarity, followed by anger. you know, while it's all happening, you stick together when it's all over, you get really angry about it all. and that was what in some senses he

was a victim of. so by the time we were coming out of covid, he was he was being he was suffering from the fact that he was identified with the period that people looking back on that people were looking back on it instead of saying, it now. and instead of saying, you let's clap the nhs you know, let's clap for the nhs or they're saying, or whatever, they're saying, why? to the kids why? what happened to the kids and why happen to the schools and why happen to the schools and to the old and what happened to the old people. and they started to get angry it. and so he never angry about it. and so he never really, sense, recovered really, in a sense, recovered from that. and so we ended up with saying, well, he's got with mps saying, well, he's got to then , you know, then to go, and then, you know, then you get they choose. liz truss and not rishi, and then they end up with rishi. and so on. so nobody really has a clue what's going on since then. >> i just find it frightening watching the way things are going and the way they have behaved, talking about potentially having a new leader, you know, suella bravermans letter. i mean, do you think she was right to write such a letter in that manner? a lot of people look at that and see some people were calling it almost like a letter from a spurned lover. that's how were seeing it,

that's how they were seeing it, do think? well, she do you think? well, i think she was was at was in she was there at the home? no, don't think home? no no, i don't think anyone's behaved perfect . anyone's behaved with perfect. >> i mean, what the look, the conservatives want a conservative is meant to do in dark days like this. they meant to stick together and stick by the leadership of the party. and that's what they've all failed to do for the last, you know, since they got rid of boris, they failed to do that. and that's they're falling that's why they're falling apart. comes time that's why they're falling apart. you comes time that's why they're falling apart. you know,omes time that's why they're falling apart. you know, yous time that's why they're falling apart. you know, you needne that's why they're falling apart. you know, you need these when, you know, you need these arguments about what is the right way of dealing the right way of dealing with the boats. view. rishi boats. she has one view. rishi appears have different appears to have a different view. it's they're all view. it's all they're all changing their views. so she's entitled to view. but it is entitled to her view. but it is true she should have been true that she should have been able through home able to get that through as home secretary she was in secretary when she was in government and if she'd failed to she should have to do so, maybe she should have resigned point. but this resigned at that point. but this argument was going to happen anyway because they obviously don't about what right don't agree about what the right method need to method is and whether we need to , how radical we need to be in relation to european relation to the european convention human on human convention of human on human rights and other things like that. order to achieve what

that. in order to achieve what we achieve. we want to achieve. >> so what about rwanda >> so. so what about rwanda then? lot of then? because that's a lot of people are looking at that, saying it is and saying how ridiculous it is and how a prospect an how ridiculous a prospect and an idea. was never going to idea. and it was never going to happen. personally think it's happen. i personally think it's a i think an external a good idea. i think an external processing somewhere processing area somewhere else is good, good plan. a lot of is a good, good plan. a lot of countries do it. the un have used rwanda before for. what is your view on it? >> look what we're dealing with here is a number of large , large here is a number of large, large criminal businesses. here is a number of large, large criminal businesses . so stop criminal businesses. so stop looking at rwanda for a moment. look at what's actually happening in europe . these are happening in europe. these are large criminal businesses. they are run for a profit and they have a business model. and that business model involves taking people from places like syria and afghanistan, charging them a lot money. then shipping lot of money. and then shipping them one way or another across europe to where they want to go. and a lot of them want to come here they get they on here and they get they end up on the beaches calais where the beaches at calais where they're nicely with they're provided nicely with unsafe all of the unsafe dinghies, all part of the package. unsafe dinghies, all part of the package . and the popped in the package. and the popped in the dinghy and said, on, dinghy and said, carry on, because the time it sinks, because by the time it sinks,

there'll a boat you there'll be a boat to pick you up you to england. and up and take you to england. and that's and we that's the whole thing. and we make profit and if you don't make the profit and if you don't pay make the profit and if you don't pay in we've probably pay us in cash, we've probably got some other way of having you in bonded labour or some sort of modern when you get modern slavery. when you get there extract the value from there to extract the value from you. if you haven't actually paid us cash, sort of paid us in cash, that's sort of business they are now. you've business as they are now. you've got find way. what the got to find a way. what the government's trying to do got to find a way. what the gcto rnment's trying to do got to find a way. what the gcto rnmeat's trying to do got to find a way. what the gcto rnmeat's making:o do got to find a way. what the gcto rnmeat's making that is to find a way of making that business model unworkable so that not them. that people will not pay them. so it's not profitable so that it's not profitable anymore. and of the ways of anymore. and one of the ways of doing would to say that doing that would to be say that at moment land at the moment you land in england, rwanda , which england, you're in rwanda, which is not where you wanted go at is not where you wanted to go at all, you have to send all, and you don't have to send everyone do this. everyone to rwanda to do this. you have send enough you just have to send enough people for the for the people all for the for the punters, so to speak, out there to say we're not going to pay that money anymore because there's guarantee we we're there's no guarantee we we're going to end up where we want to there's no guarantee we we're goi|weo end up where we want to there's no guarantee we we're goi|we could up where we want to there's no guarantee we we're goi|we could end/here we want to there's no guarantee we we're goi|we could end upre we want to there's no guarantee we we're goi|we could end up inwe want to there's no guarantee we we're goi|we could end up in rwanda to there's no guarantee we we're goi|we could end up in rwanda so go. we could end up in rwanda so that was the idea behind the whole thing. now, you that was the idea behind the who make1g. now, you that was the idea behind the who make1g. nwork, you that was the idea behind the who make 1g. n work, were can make that work, there were other methods proposed and discussed, but that's the one that was chosen. that's the

route that was chosen to get them to and thus to them all to rwanda and thus to disrupt business model and disrupt the business model and make businesses unviable make these businesses unviable commercially it doesn't commercially because it doesn't seem to be the case that you can break them up through the criminal law. you'd need all the police europe police forces in europe collaborating, suppose, police forces in europe collaborating, suppose , and, collaborating, i suppose, and, you breaking down all the you know, breaking down all the different chains, all bits different chains, all the bits of chain in order to do it. of the chain in order to do it. so to tackle it at that end seemed the right thing to do. but doesn't have to have but it doesn't have to have everybody because everybody in rwanda because even if actually if you think about it, only 200 it, even if it's only 200 people, the first 200 people won't want be guinea pigs won't want to be guinea pigs like, know, others will like, you know, others will say, well, let the others go first. >> and if in place, >> and then if that's in place, that's the very 200 people. that's the very next 200 people. they're to pay because they're not going to pay because they they the they know that they will be the next ones. they know that they will be the nex that's the they know that they will be the nexthat's the sort of and >> that's the sort of idea. and you'd see if it worked you'd have to see if it worked or many would have to or how many you would have to send order for to send in order for it to work. but that's the the basic but that's the that's the basic idea. yeah >> what interesting because i think in view, then we've think in your view, then we've got minute left. what do got about a minute left. what do you anything you think? is there anything that the conservative party could do to save themselves as well? >> the conservative party can

save itself. that's true. that doesn't mean to say necessarily the conservative party can win the conservative party can win the election . and i'm not the next election. and i'm not a gloom sitter about this because lots of things can happen and things can turn around and look at the mess the labour party found itself in. i mean , such found itself in. i mean, such a very good conference in liverpool. they had and then a few weeks later, what are they doing? scratching each other's eyes over the old of eyes out over the old wound of anti—semitism so a lot of anti—semitism again? so a lot of things can change and let's see how goes. but it's difficult how it goes. but it's difficult for the tories at the moment. yeah sure it is. >> but possibly the labour party might shoot themselves in the foot they keep doing it foot because they keep doing it and well, anti—semitism is appears to be still within their party as well . lord moylan, appears to be still within their party you ell . lord moylan, appears to be still within their party you very lord moylan, appears to be still within their party you very muchonlan, appears to be still within their party you very much for an, appears to be still within their party you very much for coming thank you very much for coming to me and really to talk to me and really appreciate that. thank you. there i've got there you go. see, i've got a good chance to talk to him properly. listen, if you've just joined welcome on board joined me, welcome on board this is news. the people's is gb news. we are the people's channel. forget well, is gb news. we are the people's cha|can. forget well, is gb news. we are the people's cha|can downloadget well, is gb news. we are the people's cha|can download the well, is gb news. we are the people's cha|can download the vlnews app you can download the gb news app coming the next coming in next. in the next houn coming in next. in the next hour, on policing. hour, my monologue on policing. you want to miss that. but you won't want to miss that. but first, let's get an update with

your weather. >> hello there. welcome to your latest forecast. latest news weather forecast. i'm snell . well, looking i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead, be another ahead, it's going to be another unsettled sunday with unsettled day on sunday with some further rain to come on monday , too. then hopefully monday, too. but then hopefully it turn a bit it will start to turn a bit dnen it will start to turn a bit drier, but colder as we head towards the middle next week. towards the middle of next week. back and now we have back to here. and now we have got area of low got this huge area of low pressure dominating pressure really dominating proceedings that's bringing in some further rain this evening across of northern across parts of northern ireland, scotland. of that ireland, scotland. some of that will quite heavy in places, will be quite heavy in places, dner will be quite heavy in places, drier initially for drier and clearer initially for a good chunk of england and wales . but then later on in the wales. but then later on in the night, we will start see night, we will then start to see rain return here to quite blustery down towards the far south—west of the country and also up across the northern isles. but with all the cloud and wind around, going to and wind around, it's going to be for most of us. be a mild one for most of us. temperatures are lowest, temperatures are at lowest, probably around to 5 degrees probably around 4 to 5 degrees in north. so really sunday in the north. so really sunday is to be a fairly is going to be a fairly unsettled day. a mixture of showers or longer spells of rain . there will be some brightness around . maybe best that around. maybe the best of that will across eastern scotland will be across eastern scotland as we into the afternoon. but

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have been taking place in london and bristol, with some supporters describing israel as a terror state occupation . no a terror state occupation. no more . more. >> six, seven, eight is a terrorist . state terrorist. state >> these pictures are coming to us from camden in north london, where demonstrators were waving palestinian flags amid a large police presence . there are also police presence. there are also reports of around 200 protesters at london bridge station. british transport police cordoned off the area . cordoned off the area. protesters were also marching in bristol . gb news reporterjeff bristol. gb news reporterjeff moody is there calling this a national day of action. >> and there's certainly plenty of action here in bristol. we think there's something around 5000 people that have taken to the streets today in bristol . the streets today in bristol. they're taking to the streets not just here, but in a hundred different cities and towns across our country . and the aim across our country. and the aim of today is for, as the organisers say, for ordinary people to voice their opinion and to call for a ceasefire in

gaza. and to call for a ceasefire in gaza . so far it's been gaza. so far it's been a peaceful protest , but plenty of peaceful protest, but plenty of banners, plenty of anger, plenty of debate on the streets . but so of debate on the streets. but so far the police have been policing this with a light touch and that does seem to have paid off, at least for arrests were made during a just stop oil protest in london today . protest in london today. >> activists met at the london eye near the shell headquarters. they marched against the approval of more than 100 new oil and gas projects . it's the oil and gas projects. it's the group says the government's imprisoning peaceful protesters while protecting those who it describes as climate criminals. jp p news reporter will hollis has been following the day's events. well, the city of london is at a stand still now as just stop oil protesters take to the roads . roads. >> you can hear chants of just stop oil, save our children, signs that say, granddad, what did you do to save my . world

did you do to save my. world there are people of all ages here at this demonstration. it's called people versus oil. young and old, children and grandparents all here united by one cause, stopping oil. but we know that this year the prime minister, rishi sunak , has minister, rishi sunak, has licensed 100 new gas and oil fields . there are lots of police fields. there are lots of police here as well . they're here here as well. they're here because they are protecting the public, but they also have new powers that came in earlier this year to arrest people that are disproportionately trying to affect road networks, which is what just stop oil traditionally . do the israeli military is warning thousands of people to leave the south of gaza as it tightens its focus on hamas terrorists. >> their earlier warning saw scores of people move from the north of gaza amid the escalating conflict. leaflets have been dropped by the idf near the khan younis area, telling people to move again, this time westward . meanwhile,

this time westward. meanwhile, israel says it'll allow two truckloads of fuel into gaza each day following international pressure. the white house wants larger quantities of fuel to be delivered on a regular basis elsewhere , major advertisers are elsewhere, major advertisers are pulling their business from formerly known as twitter. amid a row over alleged anti—semitism . it comes after the site's owner, elon musk, appeared to endorse a post that falsely claimed members of the jewish community were stoking hatred against white people. the white house called it an abhorrent promotion of anti semitic and racist hate disney, warner brothers and us network nbc are among those who've paused their advertising . the chancellor says advertising. the chancellor says there's a pathway to lower taxes ahead of next week's autumn statement, arguing the economy has turned a corner. jerry hunt says this is the moment to focus on growth after inflation halved over the past year. >> obe numbers and forecast will

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trousers . this is gb news across trousers. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to nana . now back to nana. >> thank you, tatiana. good afternoon. if you've just tuned in, it's fast approaching. six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua in the middle of hate marches across the country where some were calling for jihad. others were calling for jihad. others were holding banners that were clearly racist and a scarily large proportion of people were chanting from the river to the sea , which is deemed by jewish sea, which is deemed by jewish people as anti—semitic. the police were, in my view , police were, in my view, worryingly tolerant , which is worryingly tolerant, which is odd because in june, staffordshire police published a 12 page guidance document warning of discrimination through language and advised its officers not to use words such as man up obe or policeman . the

as man up obe or policeman. the document stated that discrimination through language causes offence patronises and may be unlawful. well i don't disagree with the last sentiment, so what can be described as anti—semitic chanting has widely been ignored and justified by the police is allowed . but in staffordshire at allowed. but in staffordshire at least calling a policeman a policeman telling a colleague to man up and grow a pair, or using the term rape could be deemed illegal. seems a bit of a double standard really, but the guidance also goes further with gender based language. so instead of cleaning lady cleaner should be used. spokesperson instead of spokesman. regards religion, calling someone a christian or muslim should be replaced with christian people and muslim people. who has time for all of this when there is so much crime on our streets ? a much crime on our streets? a spokesperson for staffordshire police said that the guidance was which has been issued after consultation with external

consultants to ensure that everyone is treated with the utmost courtesy and respect it. but surely the police have got enough on their hands without having to worry about hurting feelings through finickity language ? no wonder so many language? no wonder so many officers are confused as to whether they are allowed to apprehend a suspect. climbing a war memorial. i mean, what if they accidentally describe the person as a muslim instead of a muslim person ? if those who set muslim person? if those who set the standards for policing are so concerned , why don't they so concerned, why don't they focus on actual policing, like getting our bobbies back or probably can't say bobbies anymore ? that's probably banned. anymore? that's probably banned. getting them back on the beat. or how about reopening police stations and taking the admin out of the hands of the officers so they can get on with the job rather little tweaks in rather than little tweaks in language only up language that only end up helping apprehend ? helping those they apprehend? conservative nigel mills said conservative mp nigel mills said you'd think the police have enough on their plate without spending time worrying about which perfectly acceptable normal language they can or

can't use . so in the middle of can't use. so in the middle of this crisis, in policing and deaung this crisis, in policing and dealing with peaceful hate marches where language is offensive and hateful and the police have to deal with this nonsense as well to those who are wasting time on these ludicrous guidelines. and turning our police force to mush . if you're that bothered about offensive language, put a stop to hateful chanting and protests and for goodness sake, man up, grow a pair and stop wasting time on points. double standard guidelines . well, before we get guidelines. well, before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, is it time to axe the rwanda plan after a lot of money spent in about three young secretaries within a few years, court has years, the supreme court has ruled the government's ruled that the government's rwanda unlawful. so rwanda policy is unlawful. so today i'm asking, is it time just to shelve the thing altogether? i've got to pull up right now as well asking you that question it's on x

that very question on it's on x check that out. you can also email me gbviews@gbnews.com. then at 450 is royal roundup time. royal biographer angela levin will be here with the latest from behind palace latest from behind the palace walls menu. well, walls and on the menu. well, we've got latest from the we've got the latest from the crown the final we've got the latest from the crown of the final we've got the latest from the crown of princess the final we've got the latest from the crown of princess diana'sial we've got the latest from the crown of princess diana's life. weeks of princess diana's life. and producers have faced and the producers have faced criticism for portraying the events of 1997 and for too much creative licensing . meanwhile, creative licensing. meanwhile, meghan markle reported moving on from the royal family drama. and she and harry have distanced themselves from omid scobie's new book, just like what they did the last time. also coming up at five, it's my difficult conversation. >> a new generation of drugs or can be symkevi and kaftrio is absolutely transforming the lives of patients with cystic fibrosis . so people who would fibrosis. so people who would have been waiting for double lung lung transplants now live in happy , healthy lives. but in happy, healthy lives. but nice is now saying we can't afford so will the prime afford them. so will the prime minister and his new health secretary round the table secretary get round the table with nice and with drugs with nice and with the drugs company sure that company to make sure that

children with cystic children being born with cystic fibrosis life fibrosis today get those life saving drugs in the same way that children currently living with cf again . with cf again. >> yeah, that was labour's >> yeah, well that was labour's minister for climate change speaking prime minister speaking to the prime minister for intervention in for government intervention in making fibrosis miracle making cystic fibrosis miracle drugs acceptable and accessible. sorry to people who need it most . so at five i'll be speaking to joseph, who is living with the condition and has been campaigning to make these drugs available. he's currently on the drug. you won't want to miss her. that is on way in the her. that is on the way in the next aslef tell me what next hour. aslef tell me what you think of everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com tweet gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all right, let's at. gb news. all right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also former adviser to the labour party, matthew laza . i didn't do party, matthew laza. i didn't do lala, you didn't ? i know. lala, you didn't? i know. >> what have i done ? i've done >> what have i done? i've done something. i've been good this week. >> have i? i don't know. but there's still time. >> there's still a lot of time.

>> there's still a lot of time. >> to start with you, >> i'm going to start with you, lizzie what do you think lizzie cundy. what do you think about this? because this is language that they've been advised to the advised eased with regard to the police themselves, to each other, they refer other, but also how they refer to public. other, but also how they refer to yeah, public. other, but also how they refer to yeah, i'm)ublic. other, but also how they refer to yeah, i'm actually so >> yeah, i'm actually so disappointed the police disappointed with the police and sir mark rowley's words in the week . week. >> i was quite shocked and disappointed and i'm actually going call for to get the going to call for him to get the sack.i going to call for him to get the sack. i think he's an absolute waste space so weak. can waste of space and so weak. can we police back to we get the police back to policing? look i got up policing? look i got caught up in marches last saturday. in these marches last saturday. i'm very lucky to have made the show . they were hate marches. show. they were hate marches. i heard the chancellor was saying i was even said, are you a jew to me? i couldn't get past them. it was very frightening. and they had flares and it was just dreadful . the police aren't dreadful. the police aren't doing enough . i'm sorry. and doing enough. i'm sorry. and this is cultural vandalism is what i call it. jumping on our sacred wall memorials and the police just stand there and do nothing. and i, i just it was just so we're talking about new laws to stop people from doing that. >> yeah, exactly. if they'd gone

on there and said something offensive like misgendered the police officer or called , police officer or called, remember that one who called the police officer that she looked like a lesbian? she'd said like a lesbian? if she'd said that, then she'd be arrested for like a lesbian? if she'd said thebutien she'd be arrested for like a lesbian? if she'd said thebut don't|e'd be arrested for like a lesbian? if she'd said thebut don't worrye arrested for it. but don't worry about climbing statues. but climbing on the statues. but what's for being what's your excuse for being late? were you? late? you weren't, were you? >> i was just in time. >> i was just in time. >> i was just in time. >> there were there were. there were a protests. there were a few protests. there were no were more no more. there were more protests. is absolutely . protests. yes, it is absolutely. well, it it wasn't it well, it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't as bad as lizzie's. but just stop. oil have managed to cause more oil consumption as the grinds a halt. no the traffic grinds to a halt. no irony . look, it's irony there. look, i think it's perfectly reasonable for the police look at how police to have a look at how they treat different groups of people. i look, know, people. i mean, look, you know, we of we saw the terrible case of sarah everard , murderer from sarah everard, murderer from within police force . we saw within the police force. we saw their with stephen port their failures with stephen port , killer gay men. but , serial killer of gay men. but but absolutely. exactly but no, absolutely. exactly exactly. and we're going to agree here, you might not call me lala for the whole time because you know what i find astounding about this is that staffordshire police, which is not one of the largest forces in

the country, had to call in external consultants. i don't know language a know why their language needs a different other of the different to every other of the 30 police forces around the 30 odd police forces around the country. how much are the external costing? external consultants costing? because language. because it's not about language. it's and it's about common sense. and that's want in that's what we all want in policing. it good old policing. isn't it good old fashioned sense? we fashioned common sense? yes. we live in a change society. we want be conscious of want people to be conscious of things all going things we all know. going all the back stephen the way back to stephen lawrence, how the lawrence, how sometimes the police conscious of police haven't been conscious of how they handle different communities. but that's quite different you different to saying that you can't, know, course you can't, you know, of course you could an official could have writing an official document, officer in document, but police officer in it's shorter saying it's shorter than saying police man police but if man and police woman. but if somebody say somebody happens to say policeman, i'm worried somebody happens to say police going i'm worried somebody happens to say police going have i'm worried somebody happens to say policegoing have pc worried somebody happens to say policegoing have pc plodied we're going to have pc plod outside. going get outside. we're going to get arrested your monologue. arrested for your monologue. nana i? nana man up, didn't i? >> crikey , i mean, exactly. but >> crikey, i mean, exactly. but you know what, though? >> what are we the second >> what are we doing the second hour our own? hour on our own? >> that'd be terrible. you >> yeah, that'd be terrible. you probably pleased with that. probably be pleased with that. i've never take over. >> exactly. know place. >> exactly. i know my place. i know place. nana. know my place. nana. >> shocking with >> it's very shocking with the police they're not police is that they're not policing i've had policing anymore. and i've had a stalker the last, you know, stalker for the last, you know, three months, all i've got three months, and all i've got is a reference number which is not worth probably the paper

it's no action. it's written on with no action. and i am really scared. i'm worried. i'm worried for my friends who are jewish who have to leave every weekend because of the marches. why don't the police back to what they're police get back to what they're doing? let's the bobbies police get back to what they're doingon et's the bobbies police get back to what they're doingon et's street.3 bobbies police get back to what they're doingon et's street.3 bothem back on the street. let them know communities . know the communities. >> you can call them that? >> oh, well, we're allowed to >> oh, well, if we're allowed to be neutral, we be gender neutral, maybe we should on that. should have a poll on that. >> bobby probably. is gender >> bobby is probably. is gender neutral. away with neutral. let's do away with that. think lot that. well well, i think a lot of the officers are doing of the police officers are doing this on these courses this are going on these courses are probably their are probably rolling their eyes thinking, doing this? thinking, why are we doing this? >> to get back to >> we want to get back to policing. the police policing. so i think the police have hard job don't have a very hard job and i don't even blame them. it's probably, you we have these even blame them. it's probably, you training we have these even blame them. it's probably, you training things. ve these even blame them. it's probably, you training things. theyese even blame them. it's probably, you training things. they say, awful training things. they say, come and do this training and that things that training. even the things that training. even the things that like fire safety, that you need, like fire safety, you sort go, oh, yeah, but you sort of go, oh, yeah, but you sort of go, oh, yeah, but you them. you should do them. >> another one. yeah, >> this is another one. yeah, absolutely. course, the absolutely. and of course, the problem with things this problem with things like this is if buy in, if it if you lose buy in, if it becomes so ridiculous, if it seems of kilter with how seems so out of kilter with how people think, talking gender people think, talking of gender neutral, i was speaking to a former officer, senior former police officer, a senior police former police officer, some former detective said detective this week, and he said of things he's been

of the many things he's been called pig, of called like pig, most of them are neutral, he are gender neutral, but he usually it. he usually usually follows it. he usually follows it with your nicked . follows it with your nicked. >> do you know what worries me? if keir starmer gets in, we're going to have more of this woke nonsense. >> well, i actually hope that we're not. but, i mean, would >> well, i actually hope that we' look,. but, i mean, would >> well, i actually hope that we' look, labour'snean, would >> well, i actually hope that we' look, labour'snean, be )uld be. look, labour's got to be careful because it's seen to careful because if it's seen to go with craziness go along with with craziness like say, like this, as i say, it's absolutely sense absolutely common sense to listen look at how the listen and to look at how the how has changed what how society has changed and what you into account to you need to take into account to do job properly. but do yourjob properly. but language police do language police we can do without. you without. yeah, but you know, i wonder if i've got that wonderful of that policeman. >> i think he was in lgbt or, or pride was a pride event and he was doing a little body popping and little bit of body popping and he quite good at it. he was he was quite good at it. he was very good at it. but i'm wondering if we had because wondering if we had it because we here. it is. yeah. we did get it here. it is. yeah. oh, no. >> oh, no. this >> oh, god, no. this is a different is a different different this is a different one. one. >> one. >> oh, actually, he's not bad. he's some body popping and he's doing some body popping and then no, he's quite good. he's >> oh no, he's quite good. he's very you're watching. very limber. if you're watching. >> on radio you very limber. if you're watching. >> download on radio you very limber. if you're watching. >> download the radio you very limber. if you're watching. >> download the app 0 you very limber. if you're watching. >> download the app oryou very limber. if you're watching. >> download the app or check must download the app or check this look at it. this out on youtube. look at it. >> body popping away. he's >> he's body popping away. he's very it's not very limber. i know it's not

that dancing. >> we are laughing, but that is really >> we are laughing, but that is reaiwhat doing? >> what are doing? >> what are doing? >> police officer. what >> he's a police officer. what are doing? is . are you doing? this is. >> well, that was even worse because didn't appear to be because he didn't appear to be so at an event so it was actually at an event or wasn't like or anything. it wasn't like notting try notting hill carnival to try and, know, you weren't and, you know, show you weren't like a force of the that like a force of the state that just like somebody's backyard. >> it'd be on britain's got talent next time round with it. >> start allowing, you >> if we start allowing, you know, telling our police know, sort of telling our police force much, then this is force too much, then this is what they end up doing. how can you him if you have any respect for him if there's down? but you've there's going down? but you've hit the. exactly. >> can anyone really respect >> how can anyone really respect him and be scared of him? you know, got rainbow know, and they've got rainbow flags cars and doing flags on their cars and doing the macarena and those body popping popping dancing. it's just ridiculous . popping dancing. it's just ridiculous. can popping dancing. it's just ridiculous . can police get back ridiculous. can police get back to policing ? and what's very, to policing? and what's very, you know, really sad. my friend who policeman , said he who is a policeman, said he hates . he hates what hates the police. he hates what they stand for. now he really is a sorry state of affairs. yeah. >> i mean, i think the thing about it is it's all about common sense. i think it's okay for police to go on pride for the police to go on pride marches if it doesn't take up much resources. if they're

handing recruitment handing out a few recruitment leaflets just as they go to other and fairs, but other festivals and fairs, but then we don't have to see people. popping on twitter people. bobby popping on twitter because well, the one i mean, respect. well, the one i mean, that was one of them, but there was one at carnival was another one at carnival where had crowd were where he had a crowd were watching had >> yeah. if somebody had run through machete. yeah, exactly. >> it's one thing if they were marching off duty. mostly a pride used pride marches. they used to march they've been march off duty. now they've been paid bodypop. that's bit different. >> i what is going on? >> i mean, what is going on? >> i mean, what is going on? >> please, i want you >> please, i want to see you too, body before the end of too, body pop, before the end of the can't do it. should we do >> i can't do it. should we do an electric? >> no, i can't. i've got to. >> no, no, i can't. i've got to. >> come on. »- >> come on. >> oh! >> oh! >> oh, i don't get it. >> oh, i don't get it. >> we got. >> we got. >> giving some lessons , >> we're giving some lessons, some practice in the brain. i ain't got rhythm. >> back with one of >> we'll come back with one of those. if you've just those. listen, if you've just joined us, we're perfectly serious. we're serious. this is gb news. we're live and on digital live on online and on digital radio, nana akua. now, up next, it's radio, nana akua. now, up next, wsfime radio, nana akua. now, up next, it's time for the great british debate hour. and i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, time to axe the asking, is it time to axe the rwanda plan? got to pull up rwanda plan? i've got to pull up right you that right now on x asking you that very me your very question. send me your thoughts. email gb views gbnews.com or me at gb

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joining me now is peter spencer, political commentator emma burnell journalist and consultant, and also stephen barrett, a barrister and writer . barrett, a barrister and writer. so first of all, then i'm going to ask you, is it time , to ask you, is it time, seriously? stephen, i'm going to start with you. you're a barrister. you know the ins and outs of all of this . is it time outs of all of this. is it time to scrap or axe this rwanda plan ? >> well, 7 >> well, there's no need to scrap the plan as law. >> so what the supreme court made very clear and what i want to make very clear to your viewers is that we lawyers law is not taking a position on this plan. it was unlawful as it was set out because the proper administration hadn't been carried out. >> but had all that been done in advance and then the supreme court would have ruled that the plan was lawful. >> so you can have it if you want. i think it's then a policy question do you think this is what's going to stop the small boats ? and most people seem to boats? and most people seem to be be sort of fixating on the be to be sort of fixating on the idea of let's stop these small

boats. again, that's boats. but again, that's a policy so i'll be policy position. so i'll be neutral, all right. neutral, if that's all right. yeah >> okay. well, interesting. so actually , it could have been actually, it could have been deemed lawful if they've got their papers in order and if they ready. emma burnell their papers in order and if they a ready. emma burnell their papers in order and if they a journalistmma burnell their papers in order and if they a journalist and! burnell you're a journalist and consultant . what you think consultant. what do you think then, heard what stephen then, having heard what stephen said, that actually they'd said, that actually if they'd got order, it got their papers in order, it would deemed lawful we would be deemed lawful and we could with it even could have got on with it even with do you think plan with that, do you think the plan should axed? should be axed? >> i've never been a fan >> well, i've never been a fan of the plan. >> not a fan the policy >> i'm not a fan of the policy decisions behind the plan. >> taking that aside, >> but even taking that aside, putting that aside, as somebody who advises on strategy, i think the problem with the plan now is that it's been proved that they can't deliver it. i think what stephen said is very interesting. >> they have not done their homework. >> they haven't done the background reading. >> they haven't done the preparation needed . preparation they needed. >> and this is a plan that's been being about for been being talked about for years now. >> so yeah, it's not that they didn't have time to get this stuff in order. they clearly have not done enough work to get

what i think is a stupid plan in the first place. but others absolutely disagree with me. those who disagree with me should be more cross about this than i am because they are the ones who think this would work. >> don't. >> i don't. >> i don't. >> they're the ones who >> they're also the ones who think good don't . think it's a good idea. i don't. given those two things, those people have been let down. the work . work. >> i, on the other hand , and >> i, on the other hand, and possibly even more grateful for government incompetence because they're not doing what i think would be an unworthy able, unsuccessful and ultimately quite cruel immigration plan. >> why do you see it as cruel? >> why do you see it as cruel? >> they're only going to rwanda. what's wrong with rwanda? why is it cruel, emma? >> well, because, as we have seen from the supreme court judgement, their case is would almost certainly not be properly looked at and they could, as we saw with what happened with people from the israel scheme, be sent back without their judgements being made properly and you know what we are talking

about people who deserve to have about people who deserve to have a proper judgement if they are then judged that they do not have a right to asylum, they can be sent away. if they are judged, they have the right to asylum, they can't and that is where this is a cruel because it was set out in such a way. so slap with people's lives and their sorry, but it works on the premise that the whole people smuggling thing isn't cruel in itself. >> i mean, surely that's cruel in itself. i'm going to to in itself. i'm going to come to peter spencer with the peter spencer to deal with the people smugglers , not not the people smugglers, not not the result of their actions . people smugglers, not not the result of their actions. hm. all right. well, peter spencer , i right. well, peter spencer, i think there can be little doubt that had the rwanda scheme gone ahead, it would have been a profound disincentive to anyone thinking of risking their lives in a small boat getting across the channel because they then would have been faced with the distinct possibility that they'd be flown off to a country with an extremely dodgy record on human rights. >> and it's an impoverished country anyway. and no chance of getting back to uk.

>> but as turns out, david >> but as it turns out, david sorry, not david cameron's rishi sunak has contrived to dig himself into a complete lose lose hole over all this. >> first of all, he troubled those on the moderate wing of his party by letting suella braverman raise expectations and use all manner of language which many find offensive. >> and then after that he switched over, sacked suella braverman and lost the case in the supreme court anyway, thus enraging the right wing of his party. >> now the fact is , what's >> now the fact is, what's happening now, he's got this tapestry of ideas to make it happen anyway. >> but the reality is that hardly anyone thinks he can get this done because it is so complicated . complicated. >> and there is not just this stinky judges in strasbourg , but stinky judges in strasbourg, but also all manner of united nafions also all manner of united nations things to which we are signed up that go back to the second world war and the serious refugee crisis that the chances

of his getting this through this time of the general election are pretty close to zero. >> and if, as the polls predict, the labour party get in the ditch, it anyway, stephen, why is it do they have time to read, bnng is it do they have time to read, bring this back forward and get this through before just say let's say imagine the next general election is let's call it january next year. >> yes , well, parliament is >> yes, well, parliament is going to dissolve on the 17th of december next year. >> that's all we can really say about a general election . and about a general election. and then there has to be a general election within a reasonably practicable after practicable time after that dissolution. that's what we dissolution. so that's what we can say . our constitution is can say. our constitution is more than capable of working at pace to make this lawful, if you want. and i want to explain a concept i've been trying to think about how to explain it best when we worry about best to you when we worry about the un treaty and the un ideas and these international law ideas, we only worry about them because they incorporate into

our law. they're put into the law. think of them like helium balloons and we have we have used parliament to put a peg and stick them in the ground and they stay in our country because of that act of parliament. take that peg out off balloon that peg out and off the balloon will float to a realm we don't care about. and the only law that matters is the law of the uk. we had another court judgement from the court of appeal judgement from the court of appeal, was very, very appeal, which was very, very important a lovely appeal, which was very, very imp

border, there's fences and water cannon are being cannon and boats are being pushed at greece to turkey . pushed at greece back to turkey. what are we going to do is a political question , but i think political question, but i think it's sounding like we are going to have to do something. >> all right. well, then, thank you very much, all of you. but briefly, peter spencer is it time axe the rwanda plan time to axe the rwanda plan then? yes. no he then? yes or no time? yes. no he might just as well. then? yes or no time? yes. no he might just as well . you might as might just as well. you might as well. yeah. emma burnell. yes or no? time to exit . no? time to exit. >> long since passed, but yes . >> long since passed, but yes. >> long since passed, but yes. >> yeah. and stephen, i don't think you're going to give me an answer, but . answer, but. >> no, sorry, nana. that's all right . right. >> but it's fair enough. fair enough. i respect thoughts enough. i respect the thoughts as because need that. as well because we need that. stephen barrett thank you very much. and writer. much. barrister and writer. emma burnell journalist and consultant, peter consultant, and also peter spencen consultant, and also peter spencer, commentator. consultant, and also peter spenceyou commentator. consultant, and also peter spenceyou cthoughts. or. thank you for your thoughts. well, think you're well, what do you think you're watching and listening well, what do you think you're wa'the1g and listening well, what do you think you're wa'the radio? and listening well, what do you think you're wa'the radio? do and listening well, what do you think you're wa'the radio? do youd listening well, what do you think you're wa'the radio? do you think�*ning well, what do you think you're wa'the radio? do you think it's] on the radio? do you think it's time to axe the you've time to axe the plan? you've heard could go heard that it could actually go forward. in touch? forward. why not get in touch? gb views gbnews.com. coming up, it's gb views gbnews.com. coming up, wsfime gb views gbnews.com. coming up, it's time for the great british debate will continue. i'm asking, is it time to axe the plan? thoughts plan? you'll hear the thoughts of cundy and

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asking, is it time to axe the rwanda plan? well the government, in response to the supreme court ruling deeming government, in response to the suerwanda'st ruling deeming government, in response to the suerwanda's asylum deeming government, in response to the suerwanda's asylum policy|g government, in response to the suerwanda's asylum policy is that rwanda's asylum policy is unlawful is exploring emergency legislation and a new treaty with rwanda . and this, of with rwanda. and this, of course, comes as former home secretary suella braverman was sacked earlier this week with a very scathing letter as well that she put forward . but rishi that she put forward. but rishi sunak has pledged to proceed with these plans. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time to axe the rwanda plan? let's see what my panel maker that i'm joined by broadcaster and columnist lizzie former labour lizzie cundy, also former labour adviser matthew laza matthew laza. going to start with laza. i'm going to start with you. what do you think? rwanda plan? >> yeah, absolutely. i think it's >> yeah, absolutely. i think wsfime >> yeah, absolutely. i think it's time to scrap the rwanda plan. had £140 million of plan. we've had £140 million of taxpayers money spent so far and more home secretaries than refugees have been visiting rwanda. zero a asylum seekers and a lot of home secretaries, too many to lose count . and i too many to lose count. and i think, you know, you said suella

letter was scathing and it certainly was because the suella is a wasted year to end up back at square one. we do need to tackle the small boats crisis. we need a proper plan and not this gimmick which the tories are pursuing and which now, even if they rush the legislation through, suella through, we've seen suella herself in her second intervention in her article that followed a couple of days later, has there's way has said that there's no way it's happen before the it's going to happen before the election. it's all about politics. we need is a plan election. it's all about po stop. we need is a plan election. it's all about po stop the we need is a plan election. it's all about po stop the boats. need is a plan to stop the boats. >> but stephen said that we could legislation could get this legislation through we through really quickly if we really actually, really wanted to. and actually, the was simply the reason it failed was simply because they hadn't done their admin suella admin properly. and now suella presided as presided over all of that. so as much as i love suella braverman, even very even though i had a very embarrassing moment, know embarrassing moment, you know about both know about it as well. we both know it's bad. it's so bad. >> you going share is >> are you going to share or is it going to share? you've it you're going to share? you've got to you can't you can't tease us. >> well, anyway, so it was we were doing filming. suella were doing some filming. suella was because was there. i waited because i wanted meet her. i know wanted to meet her. i know suella we did well while suella we did them well while we did she did did it. then she did the interview. wanted get interview. then i wanted to get my picture. forgot that i'd my picture. i forgot that i'd already what? want already done them. what? i want

to she would to do it again and she would help because it was get help me back because it was get this woman away. >> it is no, it is tricky when? >> it is no, it is tricky when? >> it is no, it is tricky when? >> i had that with i had >> it is no, it is tricky when? >> with i had that with i had >> it is no, it is tricky when? >> with joani that with i had >> it is no, it is tricky when? >> with joan collinsith i had >> it is no, it is tricky when? >> with joan collins country! that with joan collins country in of the night. in the middle of the night. >> yeah. oh, god, i'm so embarrassing. >> say embarrassing. >> she >> suella would say that she had. don't know. i'm had. i mean, i don't know. i'm defending suella here. that's not but suella not normally my job. but suella says she tried to. she says that she tried to. she tried to out the problems tried to point out the problems with legislation with the existing legislation to. listen, to. and you wouldn't listen, i.e. she's i.e. that he was. she's effectively him of effectively accusing him of having sabotaged his own legislation by not closing the loopholes all knew loopholes that they all knew were the problem is were going to. the problem is the lords going to the house of lords are going to block terms of that, block it as in terms of that, though. she's not mean, though. well she's not i mean, she's in charge of saying it, but the prime but ultimately the prime minister the crux minister decides what the crux lies with him. >> well, talked about the >> well, you talked about the letter, letter, was letter, resignation letter, was it? was sacked, it it? well, she was sacked, but it was political was more like a political assassination, it? it assassination, wasn't it? it really seen how really was. have you seen how seen 35 million views or seen it like 35 million views or something? it's something? i mean, it's incredible. she said , he incredible. and as she said, he broke promises. know , and broke promises. you know, and should we be surprised that the snake has bitten again? because look what did boris and look what he did to boris and stabbing in the back, stabbing him in the back, saying, ready saying, you know, ready for rishi. known to break his

rishi. he's known to break his promises, sadly. and it is ironic that the only one that really took the flight from rwanda was suella. but let's i mean, i wish the supreme court had given me a call because they've got their facts totally wrong , because rwanda is safe . wrong, because rwanda is safe. it's actually a lot safer than this country. and i've got some facts for you because, you know, idealin facts for you because, you know, i deal in facts when the glasses go very listen in quali increasing in london crime is up 63. quali 22 drug problem. london 62% quali 24% violent crimes 57% quali 22.5 just walking home at night you are more safer in quali by 69. so where have the supreme court got their facts from? i think , you their facts from? i think, you know, they're not saying the court yet they were. how were they created with old under new labour? tony blair and they're not saying that rwanda isn't safe. >> what they're saying is that rwanda would send back too many people were asylum seekers, people who were asylum seekers, potentially to other countries people who were asylum seekers, pote weren't 0 other countries people who were asylum seekers,

pote weren't safe. er countries people who were asylum seekers, pote weren't safe. so ountries people who were asylum seekers, pote weren't safe. so because that weren't safe. so because about 50% within the about 50% of people within the asylum rwanda get get asylum system, rwanda get get sent so their argument is sent back. so their argument is not that not safe if not that you're not safe if you're the streets of rwanda. you're on the streets of rwanda. >> because before >> one, isn't it because before they it wasn't. they were saying it wasn't. i mean. they finding mean. well, they do keep finding reasons. they keep finding reasons. they keep finding reasons . i'm reasons. they keep finding reasons. i'm going to be blatantly honest. >> another one. >> i find another one. >> i find another one. >> because the >> i think it's because the people black and people there are black and i think have this vision think that they have this vision that is, you know, they're that this is, you know, they're savage that's wrong savage or something that's wrong with one of with rwanda. rwanda is one of the places in the most beautiful places in africa. it's known as the jewel. and fantastic scenery africa. it's known as the jewel. and everything�*ntastic scenery africa. it's known as the jewel. and everything else c scenery africa. it's known as the jewel. and everything else like anery africa. it's known as the jewel. and everything else like that. and everything else like that. we met coco, who's married to simon de—man. lovely. she simon de—man. she's lovely. she said are beautiful. said the people are beautiful. there it's there i should imagine that it's probably safer, i think, than here, but i also suspect that there is some reason . i think there is some reason. i think there's sort of a race element to it, because i agree with you. >> i think there is a race element to it, and i think it's very i think it's actually shocking that they're saying this to this because italy's going to have similar camps in albania and italy's not only in the echr, but it's also got the eu as well. >> so it's got two sets of

european courts. we've only got one now. i wonder if we'll one now. and i wonder if we'll see judgements there where see some judgements there where people have a jerk reaction people have a knee jerk reaction against getting ruled by >> but we're getting ruled by foreign from foreign judges. i've said from the of the echr. the start, get rid of the echr. i've always said, but we have seven other legislation and convention's still got to pass . convention's still got to pass. rishi has to keep saying, doesn't he? he keeps saying, i'll do everything in my power, but he's got to do something and we and the fact is, we need action. and the fact is, suella, his hands were tied . you suella, his hands were tied. you know, he didn't seem to care about it or care enough. and about it or not care enough. and he wants to make room for dave. >> know, my >> but you know, bring back my mate, dave. cameron but we mate, dave. mr cameron but we have way, you know, that's have a way, you know, that's £140 money and £140 million of our money and don't forget that barge is still sitting there floating with only six people on it. >> listen, i don't think that 140 million, actually, because if it was something else for education or everything, they would say it's just drop in would say it's just a drop in the ocean, they? when it's the ocean, don't they? when it's anything the ocean, don't they? when it's any butg the ocean, don't they? when it's anybut if was money for >> but if it was money for education, have education, it might have actually in schools. actually been spent in schools. this been spent zero this has been spent on zero people far. people so far. >> but, but, but, but >> but no, but, but, but, but the bottom is a figure the bottom line is a figure like that been as

that would have been quoted as a drop the ocean. so my is drop in the ocean. so my deal is this is million a day, 140 this is 8 million a day, 140 million, i don't think that million, i don't think is that much. i was considering what we're million a day for we're paying 8 million a day for the hotels. and the hotels. yeah. and the rolling it. suzanne from rolling cost of it. suzanne from barry them get barry says get them there, get them people them fast. get them out. people who should go who muck up system should go out. what suzanne says. out. that's what suzanne says. she's berry. philip she's there in berry. philip says totally immoral. i get says it's totally immoral. i get we have to do something. but rwanda philip have rwanda really, philip, have you ever rwanda? no ever been to rwanda? probably no . and says if they act . and stephen says if they act rwanda, have a plan b or rwanda, do they have a plan b or c? the whole approach is pitiful. >> well, suella says they haven't got a plan b, are they a magical thing? >> i understand why lee anderson is your views. >> i understand why lee anderson is let's your views. >> i understand why lee anderson is let's welcome' views. >> i understand why lee anderson is let's welcome british voices. >> let's welcome british voices. i got our little move i hope we've got our little move onto onto the show. their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. should discussing. where should we go today? the back . today? yeah, the map is back. somebody's career is saved . we somebody's career is saved. we know we're about to roll. if it wasn't there, lee, what do you think? is it time to axe the rwanda plan ? rwanda plan? >> hi, nana. um i say this with

desperation in my voice. no i don't think we should act. plan an in principle. >> the rwanda plan working there is still a reasonable idea . is still a reasonable idea. >> legal migrants believe there was a rwanda . was a rwanda. >> it will obviously make them think twice about paying thousands of pounds to criminal gangs as we know, similar removal schemes have worked in australia and more recently here in the uk. >> it's worked very well for migrants from albania. >> problem is nana and it is >> the problem is nana and it is a big one is i believe we have been lied to and i don't think it's ever going to happen again. after suella letter , to after reading suella letter, to me is very clear that rishi me it is very clear that rishi sunakis me it is very clear that rishi sunak is a spine less backstabbing, two faced liar who has absolutely no intention delivering out of my mouth anything he promised . anything he promised. >> you know, suella warned about the problems we faced in the courts and provided a plan b and which he promised to implement in return for suella support when he was running for the leadership and he's betrayed

that agreement and completely ignored it. >> and he sent the country a big signal when he sacked suella braverman, who is a true conservative, and brought back david cameron, a hard core remainer , a real dinosaur that, remainer, a real dinosaur that, you know, this was the final straw for me. >> we warned that it would be an idiotic move and since then, the bumbling has taken a nosedive. >> just to finish on this one thing, i'm absolutely certain of is trust has now completely evaporated . and i now truly evaporated. and i now truly believe rishi sunak has absolutely no intention of stopping votes in any meaningful way until those flights . way until those flights. >> your audio is going a bit. i don't know whether it's i don't believe listen, lee, your audio is going. it's usually very good. it's probably us. so we'll blame ourselves here. lee, thank you pleasure. you so much. always a pleasure. that's he's great that's lee harris. he's a great british voice what do you british voice well, what do you think? thoughts think? keep your thoughts coming. com coming. gb views at gb news. com this i'm nana akua this is gb news. i'm nana akua live on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, this week's difficult

conversation, a very special guest who's campaigning to make cystic fibrosis miracle drugs available people who need it available to people who need it most. you won't want to miss that. next, angela levin that. but up next, angela levin will be live. but first, let's get some weather. >> there . welcome to your >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . latest gb news weather forecast. i'm well, looking i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead , it's to another ahead, it's going to be another unsettled day on sunday with some further to on some further rain to come on monday, but then hopefully monday, too. but then hopefully it to turn bit it will start to turn a bit dnen it will start to turn a bit drier, colder as we head drier, but colder as we head towards the middle of next week. back now we have back to here. and now we have got huge area of low got this huge area of low pressure really dominating proceedings that's bringing in some evening some further rain this evening across of northern across parts of northern ireland, some that ireland, scotland. some of that will heavy in places , will be quite heavy in places, dner will be quite heavy in places, drier clearer initially for drier and clearer initially for a good chunk of england and wales . but then later on in the wales. but then later on in the night, we will start to see night, we will then start to see rain here too. rain return here too. quite blustery down towards the far south—west of the country and also up across the northern isles. but with all the cloud and wind around, going to and wind around, it's going to be a mild one for most of us. temperatures lowest, temperatures are at lowest, probably around degrees probably around 4 to 5 degrees

in north. so really, sunday in the north. so really, sunday is to be a fairly is going to be a fairly unsettled day. a mixture of showers or longer spells of rain . there will be some brightness around maybe best that around. maybe the best of that will across eastern scotland will be across eastern scotland as into the afternoon. but as we go into the afternoon. but despite the cloud and rain, it will be another mild one. temperatures south temperatures in the south reaching around 14 15 reaching around 14 or 15 degrees. so maybe a shade cooler than what we have seen today into monday. you can see further rain on the charts for most of us in between, there will be some brightness around. and as we go through into tuesday and wednesday, the drier theme will become increasingly widespread with increasing amounts of sunshine . but for most of us, sunshine. but for most of us, temperatures will be trending away

>> good afternoon. just fast approaching 54 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. coming up, the great british debate. i'll be asking, is it time for main new main party in british politics? we've seen suella sacking people being sacked and the tories suffering unfavourable decisions and so on and so forth. so what do you think ? but. but next up, there's think? but. but next up, there's always something going on in the royal household and this week has been no different . and on has been no different. and on the menu , the fabulous angela the menu, the fabulous angela levin on what's been going on. we've had netflix. they've released the latest series of the crown, which covers the final weeks of princess diana's life. and the producers have

faced criticism for portraying events of 1997. meghan markle as well. she's apparently moving away from the whole royal family drama . well, there's so much to drama. well, there's so much to unpack, thankfully. royal biographer angela levin will be doing that for us right now. angela, hello. doing that for us right now. angthere ello. doing that for us right now. angthere ella lot our talk >> there is a lot our talk succinctly and quick. >> i won't interrupt . >> i won't interrupt. >> i won't interrupt. >> that's code for we'll go backwards for meghan was actually out at some do and she did all the turn right turn left and she said what she really wants to do now huge smile was to make people feel and i burst out laughing because i thought it was phil what ? it was phil what? >> what did she actually mean? but i think it was one of those woke sort of things. and she was wearing beige , which she made wearing beige, which she made a huge complaint about that. she said the royal family made her because they didn't want to her use any bright colours. so here we have miss hypocrite again . we have miss hypocrite again. and if she really doesn't want to belong to the royal family, why is she hanging on like death

for the titles and for the titles for her children? so i think we just have to wait and see. i think a lot of these things i am going to do actually never come to any good. but she was excited to be there without a harry. of course , just smiling a harry. of course, just smiling and looking this way and that and looking this way and that and trying to look as as happy as possible. >> so what about have you watched the crown? presumably i watched the crown? presumably i watched all six episodes on thursday . thursday. >> yes. and some of it was interesting. some of it was moving. but what was a killer at the end was diana , who had died. the end was diana, who had died. and she comes back as a ghost. now, she's not a ghost in a sort of misty cloud and she's wearing a no sleeve top and she sits down in front of king of charles wearing the same earrings and the hairdo and everything that she had worn before. and she said that she really, really

loved him. and it will always stay with her. and how he tears in in the hospital when he looked at her and saw her will always make her feel glad . and i always make her feel glad. and i thought that was appalling . thought that was appalling. >> so who was she to ? talking >> so who was she to? talking charles? okay. really, i just suddenly thought that i've always loved you and all this. yes, a bit. well it was a sort of nonsense way. >> and then she into where >> and then she goes into where the sitting and she has the queen is sitting and she has a chat with queen as well. a chat with the queen as well. and so phoney. it is so and it is so phoney. it is so unpleasant . it is so crude and unpleasant. it is so crude and vulgar . vulgar. >> i don't mean to laugh because i'm thinking, does she also chat to meghan markle as well in the rear? >> off you go . she wouldn't take >> off you go. she wouldn't take claire off. >> leave my son alone. >> leave my son alone. >> yes, but other things they made there was always something nasty about. although the characters i mean, charles was weak and often always and often crying . the queen didn't know crying. the queen didn't know whether she was coming or going. the duke of edinburgh was very tough. didn't want camilla anywhere near them, but said in anywhere near them, but said in a very crude way and didn't want

charles to use a royal aircraft to bring down his body back . to bring down his body back. camilla looked a bit of a scrubber because all you saw of her was nothing very much . and her was nothing very much. and putting her feet on charles's desk. so i thought it was really quite tasteless . what about harry? >> what did they do to harry? well poor old harry had a tiniest little part, and he was just with his brother. >> and his brother spoke to his mother first before he did. so he was a little bit upset about that. he was a little bit upset about that . and that's about it, that. and that's about it, really. he was barely in it. he didn't want to be in it. and i think he got his way. but he had no impact at all. >> i thought he was portrayed as somebody who was drinking and things like that. and did they not him? not portray him? >> mentioned he >> they mentioned that he was a bit a rogue, but you didn't bit of a rogue, but you didn't see him drinking. you didn't see him doing anything, really. he was hardly on. he was one was really hardly on. he was one of the low attendants on that

for now . for now. well, i don't for now. for now. well, i don't think he'll want the crown to do another part on him, actually. what was good was that when charles rushed to france to see what had happened to diana and we weren't shown her at all, he looked over what was obviously a bed and then cried and i thought that was subtle because actually we didn't want to see her with her face smashed in and anything like that. so that was a subtle move. so i give them one tick really ? really? >> one tick? >> one tick? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. oh, >> yes. oh, god >> yes. oh, god . >> yes. oh, god . oh, >> yes. oh, god . oh, dear. >> yes. oh, god. oh, dear. anything else on the mind? >> as for scobie ? oh, yes. >> as for scobie? oh, yes. >> as for scobie? oh, yes. >> scooby. scooby doo. we like scooby doo. >> he has been incredibly unpleasant about the royal family, he said. very nasty things. he said william was absolutely fed up with his brother , and he went ahead and brother, and he went ahead and was work. so working with the

television, the press to give him all the publicity and not harry. well, what an awful thing to say. what an unfair thing to say. a lot of the words he says about harry i found was exactly the opposite of what harry said to me. so i think it's harry and meghan say they don't belong to it. they have nothing to do with it. they have nothing to do with it. i don't believe a word of that either . that either. >> angela levin well, we must very cynical. well, i look forward to hearing our next royal roundup that is of course, royal roundup that is of course, royal biographer angela levin. she wrote prince harry's biography is gb news more biography this is a gb news more to the hour . it's to come in the next hour. it's 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana aquarium for the next hour. me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the right coming the headlines right now. coming up few moments. time up in just a few moments. time i'll speaking young i'll be speaking to a young man called joseph who has been

campaigning for cystic fibrosis miracle treatment, drugs to be made available children who made available to children who need most. and then the need it most. and then for the great british debate this hour, i'm it time for a new i'm asking, is it time for a new main in british politics main party in british politics where witnessing tory where we're witnessing a tory and party in crisis? snp and labour party in crisis? snp in shambles? get me in shambles? and don't get me started on the lib dems, so i'm asking, is it now time for a new main party in british politics? but let's your latest main party in british politics? but with.et's your latest main party in british politics? but with tatiana your latest main party in british politics? but with tatiana .your latest main party in british politics? but with tatiana . nanaitest news with tatiana. nana >> thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. there's a large police presence at waterloo station in london as pro—palestine protesters appear to be staging a sit in. officers are handing out notices and urging people to leave the area. the british transport police say anyone who breaches the public order act will be arrested. well, it's been days of protests across the uk with more pro—palestine marches taking place in london and in bristol.

occupation no . seven is occupation no. seven is a terrorist hate. these scenes were captured in north london. this afternoon. as you can hear, some protesters were heard describing israel as a terror state elsewhere , there were state elsewhere, there were reports of around 200 protesters at london bridge station . large at london bridge station. large demonstrations were also seen in bristol, where jeff moody has been following events , calling been following events, calling this a national day of action. >> and there's certainly plenty of action here in bristol. >> and there's certainly plenty of action here in bristol . we of action here in bristol. we think there's something around 5000 people that have taken to the streets today in bristol . the streets today in bristol. they're taking to the streets not just here, but in a hundred different cities. and towns across our country . and the aim across our country. and the aim of today is for, as the organisers say , for ordinary organisers say, for ordinary people to voice their opinion and to call for a ceasefire in gaza. and to call for a ceasefire in gaza . so far it's been gaza. so far it's been a peaceful protest . plenty of peaceful protest. plenty of banners, plenty of anger, plenty of debate on the streets. but so

far the police have been policing this with a light touch and that does seem to have paid off. >> at least four arrests were made during a just stop oil protests in london today. activists met at the london eye near the shell headquarters. they marched against the approval of more than 100 new oil and gas projects. the group says the government is imprisoning peaceful protesters while protecting those who it describes as climate criminals . describes as climate criminals. the israeli military is warning thousands of people to leave the south of gaza as it tightens its focus on hamas terrorists. there earlier warnings saw scores of people move from the north of gaza amid the escalating conflict . leaflets have been conflict. leaflets have been dropped by the idf near the khan younis area, telling people to move again, this time westward . move again, this time westward. meanwhile, israel says it will allow two truckloads of fuel into gaza each day following international pressure for its after the un warned of rapidly deteriorating conditions and a

mounting risk of starvation in the white house wants larger quantities of fuel to be delivered on a regular basis . delivered on a regular basis. major advertisers are pulling their business from formerly known as twitter amid a row over alleged anti—semitism . it comes alleged anti—semitism. it comes after the site's owner, elon musk, appeared to endorse a post that falsely claimed members of the jewish community were stoking hatred against white people . the white house called people. the white house called it an abhorrent promotion of anti—semitic and racist hate. disney warner brothers and us network nbc are among those who've paused their advertising . who've paused their advertising. the chancellor says there's a pathway to lower taxes ahead of next week's autumn statement, arguing the economy has turned a corner. jeremy hunt says this is the moment to focus on growth after inflation halved over the past year . after inflation halved over the past year. it's understood he's considering cutting rates on inheritance and business taxes inheritance and business taxes in what could be one of the last fiscal announcements before the

next election . next election. >> obe r numbers and forecasts will be published on wednesday at the autumn statement . but at the autumn statement. but there is no easy route to reducing the tax burden the way we do it is by spending taxpayers money more wisely and that means having more productive public services . and productive public services. and finally, the creator of wallace and gromit and the chicken run films has enough clay for just one more film after its supplier ceased operations when new clay products announced the closure of its facility near torquay earlier this year , aardman earlier this year, aardman animations quickly brought all its remaining stock. >> according to the telegraph, the studio has just enough to complete its new wallace and gromit feature due for release next year. new clay produced a particular kind of plasticine , particular kind of plasticine, which is perfect for animating stop motion. artists say using the wrong kind would be like wearing the wrong trousers . this

wearing the wrong trousers. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to nana. >> good afternoon . it's fast >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching. six minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv onune 5:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this is about opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs. and of it's mine, it's theirs. and of course, it's yours . we'll be course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, at debating, discussing, and at times disagree, but no times we will disagree, but no one be cancelled . still to one will be cancelled. still to come, my difficult conversation on a new generation of drugs or can be symkevi and kaftrio is absolutely transforming the lives of patients with cystic fibrosis . fibrosis. >> so people who would have been waiting for double lung lung transplants now live in happy, healthy lives, but nice is now saying we can't afford them. so will the prime minister and his new round new health secretary get round the and with the

the table with nice and with the drugs to make sure that drugs company to make sure that children born with children being born with cystic fibrosis today get those life saving drugs in the same way that children currently living with are getting? yeah that with cf are getting? yeah that was minister for was labour's minister for climate change speaking to the prime minister and demanding more intervention in making cystic miracle drugs cystic fibrosis miracle drugs accessible people who need it most. >> shortly i'll be speaking to joseph, who's living with the condition and has fortunately been lucky enough to get the drug that he's been campaigning to make these available to to make these drugs available to younger children. you won't want to miss out. that is on the way next for the great british debate asking, debate this hour, i'm asking, is it a new main party in it time for a new main party in british politics? now the political landscape is witnessing significant developments. the tory party is facing internal turmoil , eating facing internal turmoil, eating itself from the inside out. meanwhile labour have acquired an astonishing 30 point lead over the conservatives, even though they're undergoing internal drama of their own. the snp have money troubles of course. remember the whole debacle with nicola sturgeon and

now humza useless and the lib dems are well enough said about them. i mean, is their banner yellow or is it orange? so is it time for a new main party in british politics? and for my mini debate, the chancellor, jeremy difficult jeremy hunt, says difficult decisions will need to be made as the government prepares for next statement and next week's autumn statement and reports suggest that he's looking into slashing inheritance and levies on inheritance tax and levies on businesses. so what impact will this have on people up and down the country? is it time for the government to slash the inheritance tax? does it affect you ever, you can get in you as ever, you can get in touch in the usual way. email gb views. gb news. com or tweet me at . gb news. so it's now views. gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. so it's now time for this week's difficult conversation . during the prime conversation. during the prime minister's question , the shadow minister's question, the shadow minister's question, the shadow minister for climate change, kerry mccarthy , challenged rishi kerry mccarthy, challenged rishi sunak on making cystic fibrosis treatment drugs more accessible to babies born with the condition . have a quick listen

condition. have a quick listen to generate an of drugs or can be symkevi and kaftrio is absolutely transform ing the lives of patients with cystic fibrosis . fibrosis. >> so people who would have been waiting for double lung transplants now live in happy, healthy lives. but nice is now saying we can't afford them . so saying we can't afford them. so will prime minister and his will the prime minister and his new secretary round new health secretary get round the nice and with the the table with nice and with the drugs company make sure that drugs company to make sure that children born cystic children being born with cystic fibrosis get life fibrosis today get those life saving drugs in the same way that children currently living with cf again, yeah . with cf again, yeah. >> prime minister, i thank the honourable for raising an honourable lady for raising an important issue. >> i'll of course ask the health secretary to look into it . secretary to look into it. she'll understand that nice operates independently from government, there's government, but if there's a conversation that can be had, government, but if there's a conensure)n that can be had, government, but if there's a conensure that at can be had, government, but if there's a conensure that it can be had, government, but if there's a conensure that it takese had, government, but if there's a conensure that it takes place . i'll ensure that it takes place. >> the prime minister rishi sunak speaking this week in prime questions well, prime minister's questions well, i'm joined the studio by i'm joined in the studio by campaignerjoseph lamberti, campaigner joseph lamberti, who was born with cystic fibrosis and been campaigning to make and has been campaigning to make treatment more accessible treatment drugs more accessible and welcome joseph. and affordable. welcome joseph. really nice to meet you. thank you for having me. thank you

very much. i heard very much. because i heard about this because am a maths this drug because i am a maths addict and i married at first sight australia and there was one it who had cf, but one girl on it who had cf, but then few years previous was then a few years previous was given this one drug that literally makes the condition almost as though it's cured. you're on the drug. i am. talk to me about what it was like for you living with the condition and the difference before the drug. yeah. >> so before the drug , everybody >> so before the drug, everybody was cystic fibrosis . every case was cystic fibrosis. every case is different. it's important to stress that. >> but before the drug, when i was a child, things were. things were tough . were tough. >> chronic chest infections , you >> chronic chest infections, you know, a small barracks worth of medication and antibiotics, frequent long term trips into hospital for iv antibiotics . hospital for iv antibiotics. >> you know , and that put a lot >> you know, and that put a lot of pressure on my own parents. you know, my mother pretty much had to sacrifice her career to make sure that she could , you make sure that she could, you know, look after me and maintain my health. >> so things were tough .

>> so things were tough. >> so things were tough. >> but, you know, it's a it's the drug . like i say, it it's the drug. like i say, it it's not a cure, but it's a cure in in almost every other possible way, unless you want to start talking about gene therapy, it can it subdues the all the side effects and the ailments of cystic fibrosis so we can live a normal life or as normal. what is normal. >> but, you know, so what is cystic fibrosis? i mean, a lot of people know it's a lung condition, but what exactly is happening in the lungs? >> so cystic fibrosis, as i understand it, and i'm not a doctor , but it's a it's a doctor, but it's a it's a hereditary condition . so it's hereditary condition. so it's not those of us that suffer with it. it's not through lifestyle choices. it's not you are born with this illness and it's a disease that's spread through genes and you have to inherit both genes from both sets of parents. and it affects, like i say, mainly the lungs and the dietary system . and what's dietary system. and what's happening in the lungs is, as i

understand it, we all produce salt within ourselves. and there's a protein that my cells just simply either don't produce or they don't produce enough of. and that's different for everybody with cystic fibrosis, depending on the genes that you've got, because there's a there's a variety of different genes. there's gene variations. so that and it affects every organ in the body and therefore it affects everybody with cystic fibrosis slightly differently. it affects everybody with cystic fibr(yeah,ightly differently. it affects everybody with cystic fibr(yeah, you're iifferently. it affects everybody with cystic fibr(yeah, you'reiifferelthe but yeah, you're right, the lungs produce mucus . lungs, as we produce more mucus. and and the mucus that we do produce will produce. it is mars is slightly thicker, which means that our lungs are more susceptible to chest infections, etcetera . and that's really etcetera. and that's really where it starts . and then from where it starts. and then from then on, that lung damage that that can be caused and is caused frequently then becomes obviously permanent. and that's when you you can often, when you were you you can often, like i say, the lungs get weaker over time and so is it like a scarring of the lungs that continues like, say, i'm not a doctor but but so basically your lung capacity kind of reduces because of the mucus. so over time, after chronic infection,

the lung capacity will reduce over time to the point that unfortunately , you have to go unfortunately, you have to go and be put on the transplant list. >> and because i know somebody who had a i think it was i think it might have been a heart and lung transplant. is that what it's a double transplant she had.so it's a double transplant she had. so the two things get transplanted. what do they normally it's normally transplant? if it's typically again, i've not got much knowledge in this area. >> i've been thankful enough not to exposed to this sort of to be exposed to this sort of conversation with doctors. but i believe typically it's the lung transplant now , like i say, i do transplant now, like i say, i do not know how that works. but yeah, it's a it's a lung . when yeah, it's a it's a lung. when things get really bad , the only things get really bad, the only opfion things get really bad, the only option is, is a lung transplant and that doesn't even cure it from the rest of your body. >> just it just well, it doesn't even. >> yeah, it doesn't cure it from the rest of your body. it's a it's a faulty gene within every cell of our body. so a cure would be like a move to gene therapy. >> so you seem to have coped >> so you you seem to have coped relatively well. were you a sickly it not sickly child or did it not affect you? badly did it

affect you? how badly did it affect you? >> no, it absolutely me >> no, it absolutely affected me every said, every case is every like i said, every case is different. was like i. i was different. i was like i. i was fortunate enough to have great foundations from my own foundations from from my own parents. i've got great friends. i've great family, great i've got great family, a great partner well . um, partner at home as well. um, and, but yeah, so , but it did and, but yeah, so, but it did affect me. absolutely it like i said, the chronic lung infections , i was, there was infections, i was, there was a penod infections, i was, there was a period in my life when it seemed sort of every christmas i was in for a, like a 2 or 3 week stint of ivs in the children's hospital, which isn't particularly pleasant. and what that does moving forward is it can obviously affect it's, you know, when your health is affected as well. i always say that if someone's not the that if someone's not got the health, haven't got health, they haven't got anything you anything and it affects, you know, health is know, once your health is affected you're you're affected and you're you're having attention from having to divert attention from just living to focus your just living to focus on your health, everything, health, it affects everything, especially child. health, it affects everything, espeknow, child. health, it affects everything, espeknow, your child. health, it affects everything, espeknow, your social child. health, it affects everything, espeknow, your social skills, ld. you know, your social skills, your education, all your your education, all everything. it kind of snowballs. so so this new drug league, talk to me about this new drug , how you got hold of it new drug, how you got hold of it and what why it's not going to

be available to or potentially not available to others. so it's important at the moment, we don't exactly going don't know exactly what's going to nice recommended to happen. nice have recommended that a fantastic that whilst it's a fantastic drug at, you know, reducing the side effects of having cystic fibrosis , they've deemed it cost fibrosis, they've deemed it cost no cost ineffective i should say. so the drug itself is a cure in every sense . i mean it cure in every sense. i mean it isn't a cure but but in every sense you don't suffer with you what it allows your again, i'm not a doctor, but what it allows your our bodies to do is. not a doctor, but what it allows your our bodies to do is . within your our bodies to do is. within the cell. it actually allows access to the protein i was talking about before. it allows it providing our body makes that protein. all depends protein. again, it all depends slightly on the on the genes that got. and the genes that you've got. and the genes that you've got. and the genes that you've got. and the genes that you inherit. that's why there think three there are i think there's three different different types of drug they all drug available, but they all essentially function the same essentially function in the same

way inhibit the, the way that they inhibit the, the cells to, to release the protein. and once that protein is released , the other side is released, the other side effects, we're talking about, which is essentially the excess , which is essentially the excess, the extra salt and mucus , it's the extra salt and mucus, it's it allows it reduces that. and therefore, like i say, you then internally on the inside, you you you've got a fighting chance to be as good as everybody else. >> so now you're on the drug. do you have a pretty normal life ? i you have a pretty normal life? i mean, you don't deal. do you have to suffer all the ailments now? has it literally transformed your life? >> has in yeah, it's quite >> it has in yeah, it's quite literally transformed my life. i mean, i, like i say, every winter, typically before the drug was accessible . i was drug was was accessible. i was on a rolling course of antibiotics simply because without them i'd be, you know , without them i'd be, you know, i'd catch a cold drop to the throat , drop i'd catch a cold drop to the throat, drop to the chest. then i'd be in serious trouble. and for me, as someone that's always, you know, as long as i could be, i tried to maintain a

reasonable level of health and fitness. um, i've, i've, i've the drug for me is most greatly affected. the my lungs and that reliance on i no longer rely on a stream of antibiotics so i'm now not on any antibiotics . i now not on any antibiotics. i don't take any sort of saline nebuliser or anything like that. >> well this is you running. i mean, you're running and doing stuff now that's. >> yeah that was that was the great north running. 2022. wow and i did that for the cystic fibrosis trust, which is a charity that raises raises money to support families and children as they're sort of starting on their on their journey and they do all sorts of incredible research for the cf community. >> so your campaigning now to make sure this drug is available for people . i mean, they need to for people. i mean, they need to make it available because all for people. i mean, they need to maithings ailable because all for people. i mean, they need to maithings that le because all for people. i mean, they need to maithings that you ecause all for people. i mean, they need to maithings that you the|se all for people. i mean, they need to maithings that you the effects the things that you the effects on your development, the treatment that you'll have to go through it, through if you didn't have it, surely would cost way more surely that would cost way more than. . and you than. well, yeah. and you contribute to society because you're with us to do that . yeah. you're with us to do that. yeah. >> so that's, that's one of the,

the, the arguments i, you know, i'd like to come on here and make the case for the first one is that as you've just said then you accumulate the you are if you accumulate the total cost of again i don't know how much it costs precisely to run a ward or to run nurses, etcetera. but if you were to take all of that and add all that up, like i said earlier, the barrage of medication that you take, you add all you have to take, if you add all of up cumulatively, it's of that up cumulatively, it's got be more expensive. we're of that up cumulatively, it's got toe more expensive. we're of that up cumulatively, it's got toe m looking nsive. we're of that up cumulatively, it's got toe mlooking nsithisa/e're of that up cumulatively, it's got toe m looking nsithis as re of that up cumulatively, it's got toe m looking nsithis as a going to be looking at this as a as you've just said then as as like you've just said then as well, economics of the well, the economics of the argument don't quite argument for me, don't quite stack say, stack up. and i'm like, i say, i'm enough, i'm fit enough. i'm well enough, i'm fit enough. i'm well enough, i'm fit enough. i'm to i'm fortunate enough to be a contributing member society. i'm fortunate enough to be a contgotting member society. i'm fortunate enough to be a contgot a1g member society. i'm fortunate enough to be a contgot a greatmber society. i'm fortunate enough to be a contgot a great jober society. i'm fortunate enough to be a contgot a great job that society. i'm fortunate enough to be a contgot a great job that a ciety. i'm fortunate enough to be a contgot a great job that a very. i've got a great job that a very supportive of. >> people want help, >> so if people want to help, then there website then is there a website or something they can go to? is there campaign, anything? there some campaign, anything? where there's a petition doing >> so there's a petition doing the moment to make the rounds at the moment to make sure this this is sure that this this this is discussed and to make sure that it reviewed in parliament it is reviewed in parliament properly . the properly. and the nice recommendation implemented i >> -- >> so where can people sign up to that? >> that is on the that is on the

petitions. dot gov website. i'll put a link as well onto my social media today and if people want find you, where can they want to find you, where can they find you to find me on social find you on to find me on social media. quite simply. media. it's just quite simply. joseph on instagram. joseph lamberti on instagram. that's i a of stuff that's where i do a lot of stuff and i'll put the link on there and i'll put the link on there and really it's about spreading that spreading that awareness, spreading the message. really message. there are some really influential the world influential people in the world or country that have or in this country that have got, you know, a massive amount of a large voice. there's people like gordon brown. i'm thinking of richard madeley, so you've like gordon brown. i'm thinking of fquitei madeley, so you've like gordon brown. i'm thinking of fquite aviadeley, so you've like gordon brown. i'm thinking of fquite a bit eley, so you've like gordon brown. i'm thinking of fquite a bit elesupportu've like gordon brown. i'm thinking of fquite a bit elesupport .�*ve got quite a bit of support. >> listen, jesse, we're running out but it's so good to out of time, but it's so good to talk you. out of time, but it's so good to talino, you. out of time, but it's so good to talino, no,. out of time, but it's so good to talino, no, thank you for the time. >> people will find you on social joseph is social media. joseph lamberti is what for. thank you. what they look for. thank you. and the link there and you'll put the link there for the. >> i will put the link there and like i said, let's try and make this loud as possible. like i said, let's try and make thisthankrd as possible. like i said, let's try and make thisthankrd as posrmuch. lovely >> thank you very much. lovely to that as of to talk to you. that as of course, joseph lamberti is campaigning cystic fibrosis campaigning for cystic fibrosis medication to be available on the those need it the nhs for those who need it now. tuned for coming up. now. stay tuned for coming up. my quiz round my quickfire quiz around. round up of we'll up the facts of myths. we'll be doing next, though, doing that. up next, though, it's great british it's time for the great british debate. hour. i'm asking,

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nana akua. it's time now for the great british debate this hour and i'm asking, is it time for a new main party in british politics now the uk political landscape is witnessing significant developments. the tory party is facing internal turmoil, eating themselves from the inside out. rishi sunak pushing ahead with the rwanda policy that apparently if he just made a few amendments, could have got it through the supreme court. but unfortunately it was ruled unlawful . we've it was ruled unlawful. we've also seen lord cameron make a return a dinosaur. i mean , bless return a dinosaur. i mean, bless his heart, but really seriously, he created brexit, then ran away, didn't he? the labour party also struggling to call for a ceasefire in gaza. you've seen the turmoil within their party. i wonder how keir starmer hopes to lead the country when he's struggling to lead his own party. in scotland, party. then over in scotland, lots of money troubles for the snp and of course the good old lib dems. don't get me started on them . even northern on them. even in northern ireland got stormont who ireland you've got stormont who aren't sitting. it's so many things going on. so for this hours things going on. so for this hour's great british debate, i'm asking time for a new asking is it time for a new main party british politics when

party in british politics when i'm ben habib. i'm joined now by ben habib. he's leader for reform he's deputy leader for reform uk. dr. philip kinsley, cultural historian, roger gewolb, former adviser to the bank of england . adviser to the bank of england. i've missed somebody who's missing from my list. is that for people , there's somebody for people, there's somebody else there. um that's everybody. all right, well, i'm going to start with you, roger. please start with you, roger. please start first, you think? start first, do you think? >> think everything you start first, do you think? >> is think everything you start first, do you think? >> is right.1ink everything you say is right. >> i mean, both parties , you the >> i mean, both parties, you the whole political scene here in the uk, you couldn't make it up . the uk, you couldn't make it up. you couldn't write it. it's a west end play . and what will west end play. and what will happen?! west end play. and what will happen? i don't know. but you know , rishi is certainly know, rishi is certainly backtracking on all sorts of things. the statements from chance hunt over and over that we don't have the money for the tax cuts. i have been saying for many, many, many months that we do since last november when he said there was a £55 billion black hole, which i didn't believe. of course we have the for money our tax cuts. and i always said they would come just before general election time

came up. do we need a new political party? yes it would be great if we could have a party that had people that were different and that weren't professional politicians. you know , kind of in it for know, kind of in it for themselves and not thinking about us. i think they're all so divorced from the common brit that it's frightening. >> well , it does seem that it's frightening. >> well, it does seem a that it's frightening. >> well , it does seem a shocker, >> well, it does seem a shocker, really. frankly, all right. dr. philip kingsley, what do you think? yes >> yes. i think it's difficult to hold the conservatives lviv party in anything other than contempt because they hold us in contempt. they lie to us all the time. not only do they lie, they do the opposite of what they're supposed to do. so if they say that they're going to deal with mass immigration on immigration will actually go up . if they say will actually go up. if they say they're going to deal with gender ism in schools, then we'll have more gender ism in schools. so they hold us in contempt there is space for a new major party there

desperately needs to be a major party. there needs to be conviction in politics. there needs to be a party that deals with with culture. the big issues , which are cultural issues, which are cultural issues, which are cultural issues and we don't have a major party doing that at the moment. we have a couple of smaller parties doing that. we have the sdp and we have reform , but we sdp and we have reform, but we need those parties to step up and gain confidence and be bigger because it just doesn't seem it just seems a bit of a mess . mess. >> jerry hayes sorry i didn't mention you, jerry. that jerry, you're there. jerry what are your thoughts on this ? your thoughts on this? >> well, it depends what happens at the general election. >> it looks at the moment like the tories are going to in the tories are going to be in trouble and the general election i >> -- >> um, and then we get someone like suella braverman who's who's leading the i'm getting terrible feedback here. i don't think i'm meant to be. >> just keep talking. we can hear you, jerry. don't worry. >> that's all right. >> that's all right. >> if the tory party suddenly

becomes a right wing clique and people like me, the one nation tories , um, are excluded , then tories, um, are excluded, then there will be a total change in there will be a total change in the political landscape . the political landscape. >> but i'm not so sure that's going to happen. >> if you have someone like kemi badenoch and people like me can stay in the conservative party, but difficult for but it's very difficult for a party, a new party to be successful . successful. >> the only party which has been successful in the past was the fdp, and they were pretty well non—aligned. >> they were not professional politicians and everyone forgets that in 1983 they were very, very close to becoming the opposition . opposition. >> there are about 400,000 votes. >> what i look out for, which i think is very dangerous , is think is very dangerous, is george galloway . george galloway. >> george galloway is going to harness the muslim vote. >> i can't take him seriously. after he played the cat in big brother. >> oh yeah . >> oh yeah. >> oh yeah. >> but a lot of i agree. >> but a lot of i agree. >> it's terrible .

>> it's terrible. >> it's terrible. >> banana. >> banana. >> no, it's that's one side that's worrying. >> it's hopeless to divide the labour party . labour party. >> all right. well benabib he says that george galloway. watch out for him. macavity what do you think, ben ? well, i am you think, ben? well, i am deputy leader of reform uk and i only joined reform uk because i, i came to the conclusion that neither of the main parties are going to deliver for this country. >> i mean, if you look at both the main parties, they both believe in large state intervention. they both believe intervention. they both believe in large state borrowing, large state spending, high taxation. neither party wishes or is able to control immigration, as one of the previous speakers said , of the previous speakers said, there's a complete blind spot on culturalism and the culture of the united kingdom promoting it and protecting it. and this is not just a cultural debate. when we talk about culture, we're actually talking about the heart of the nation , the homogeneity, of the nation, the homogeneity, the happiness and settlement of british people. and there's only one party, frankly, that does

that, which is reform uk . and we that, which is reform uk. and we are already getting to be a main party this week after the suella braverman meltdown , when we've braverman meltdown, when we've polled in double digits on four separate opinion polls. polled in double digits on four separate opinion polls . and so separate opinion polls. and so we, you know, we're going to present a real threat to the conservative party, a real threat to the labour party in the next election . and we are the next election. and we are going to deliver policies which will economically charge the united kingdom and protect the cultural integrity of it. one of the things that suella braverman said that was so right was that this country is facing an existential threat , and we've existential threat, and we've been taken there by the labour party, followed by the conservative party. they both they've had their day. they need to get out of the way and let people like me who are not convicted, who are not profession politicians, but are in it because of conviction, show the way reform uk is the next main party. you would say that though, ben, with all respect . respect. >> of course i would. well, of

course you're going to say that you're not to say you're not going to say something but, but, something else. but but, but, philip, you're hearing this, do you a party like reform all the ultimately do is remove make it easier for people like the labour party to win and split a sort of more right of centre right wing voters. people like to say , what do you think, to say, what do you think, philip ? do you think that there philip? do you think that there that an actual another party could come in? >> no, i think they could do. but i think i think it's a long game. nana i think i think we're talking long, long term here because what we've got at the moment, we've seen the labour party have played identity politics for the last 30 years and we're seeing on the streets now the payment. you know, they're being paid out, aren't they? they're having their having their a terrible echo here. so i can barely hear myself. they're having they're having their mps being attacked almost on the streets. okay. they're having mobs going right into in to where their where their offices are. it's terrible. but that's where we

are. we are not in all reality, going to have a small as much as i want reformed to really stand up and be counted. we are not going to have reform and we're not going to have the sdp making a huge impact at this time. but i think it's a longer game and maybe reform will do in the future. yeah, i think so, yes. >> but any other party, even if it wasn't reform . another one. roger >> well, it's interesting us sitting here discussing this strikes me rather as the children in their room talking about the parents in the next room, because you know, we're not going to get anywhere until we have proportional representation when no party can get in other than the two main parties. and that's the big problem that we've had. and labour will probably resist that because the system has given the tories 67 years and labour 33 years of the hundred last and

labour will lose a lot of mps. the studies show if we do have proportional representation. so i'm afraid that the current first past the post vote system prevents any party. i know a lot of people want to go to reform. >> i'm going to get gerry hayes in. finally, you've got about 20s gerry respond to that 20s gerry to respond to that because shaking head. because he's shaking his head. >> it's going happen. we >> it's not going to happen. we had a vote on av and the worst thing about proportional thing about the proportional representation, it gets rid of the link between the mp and the constituents because what proportional representation does , yes, suck up to your party. >> you suck up to the party list , you don't suck up to the electorate. >> that's wrong. >> that's wrong. >> well, okay. so. so realistically then, is there room another third party? i know your answer, ben. i'm not even going to ask you. philip what do you ask me? nana yeah , you think you ask me? nana yeah, you think that? philip so this time around, do you think another party could come in other than the main two, not this time round, next time round, no ,

round, but next time round, no, no. from and roger. no. from gerry and roger. finally, for you, we're finally, for you, i think we're stuck with this situation and these clowns for quite a long time . that's what they are. time. that's what they are. barnaby. thank you very much. deputy leader of reform philip kingsley, cultural historian roger , former adviser roger gewolb, former adviser to the england and gerry the bank of england and gerry hayes, thank you hayes, barrister. thank you so much your thoughts. much for your thoughts. well, this gb news on tv, online on this is gb news on tv, online on digital radio. we are live coming up. we'll continue with the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, it time for hour. i'm asking, is it time for a major political party in a new major political party in british politics? you'll hear the panel. but the thoughts of my panel. but first, latest first, let's get your latest news tatiana . nana. news with tatiana. nana. >> thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. at least two protesters were carried away by police at waterloo station after more pro—palestine demonstrate actions people could be heard chanting a ceasefire now. and from the river to the sea in the middle of the station's concourse, people have also gathered outside downing street. police say around 250 demonstrators are outside the

gates on whitehall, though there's been no disruption to traffic . there have also been traffic. there have also been reports of further protests on waterloo bridge and at parliament square. police are currently in attendance . currently in attendance. occupation? no . 47 is occupation? no. 47 is a terrorist state. it's been a day of protests in london and across the country . these scenes were the country. these scenes were captured in north london this afternoon. as you can hear, some protesters were heard describing israel as a terror state. elsewhere there were reports of disruption at several major train stations, large crowds were also seen marching in bristol , manchester and glasgow . bristol, manchester and glasgow. and at least four people were arrested during a just stop oil protest earlier today, activists marched from the shell headquarters in opposition to the approval of more than 100 oil and gas projects . the group oil and gas projects. the group says peaceful , peaceful says peaceful, peaceful protesters are being locked up while those who it describes as climate criminals are protected .

climate criminals are protected. the chancellor says there's a pathway to lower taxes ahead of next week's autumn. statement jeremy hunt says it's time to focus on growth after inflation halved over the past year. it's understood he's considering cutting rates on inheritance and business taxes in what could be one of the last fiscal announcements before the next election . for more on all of election. for more on all of those stories , you can visit our those stories, you can visit our website, gbnews.com .

people's. channel >> so if you're just tuned in, where have you been? it's almost the end of the show. we've got about 21 seconds to go. 21 minutes to go. i'm not a akua. we're on online and on we're live on tv, online and on digital it's time our digital radio. it's time for our great british debate this hour. before the i was asking, before the break, i was asking, is time for a new is it time for a new main political party politics? political party in politics? lots touch with lots of you got in touch with your we will read of your views. we will read some of them. uk political landscape them. the uk political landscape is witnessing significant developments the tory party is facing internal turmoil. rishi sunakis facing internal turmoil. rishi sunak is pushing ahead with the rwanda meanwhile while rwanda policy. meanwhile while labour keir starmer labour leader sir keir starmer is challenges within labour leader sir keir starmer is party challenges within labour leader sir keir starmer is party facing allenges within labour leader sir keir starmer is party facing questions/ithin labour leader sir keir starmer is party facing questions about his party facing questions about credibility and acquiring an astonishing 30 point lead over the conservatives , which i the conservatives, which i suspect is probably diminishing . suspect is probably diminishing. the snp are in crisis. remember nicola sturgeon? the dodgy gender recognition reform and the caravan ? and we've got the the caravan? and we've got the lib dems who can't work out what colour their banner is. is it

yellow or orange? the stormont aren't for the great aren't sitting so for the great british hour, i'm british debate this hour, i'm asking it time a new asking is it time for a new political party in politics? let's what panel make of let's see what my panel make of that. joining me, matthew laza let's see what my panel make of that lizzie 1g me, matthew laza let's see what my panel make of that lizzie cundy. matthew laza and lizzie cundy. >> yes, indeed. i >> lizzie cundy yes, indeed. i really think so. mean , really do think so. i mean, people the political people are in the political wilderness now because conservatives no longer conservatives are no longer conservatives. they like the liberal democrats, and labour are more conservative than ever. i there's a cigarette i mean, there's a cigarette paper between them both , and paper between them both, and they're both in turmoil. they're both got in in house fighting . both got in in house fighting. and, you know, i don't know who to vote for. i only person i'd vote for is nigel farage. and not just the jungle. rishi is worried. rishi is watching. i'm a celebrity will be starting tomorrow night at 9:00 because of nigel farage, because he is going to come back big time in politics and he's going to be trying to reach out to the younger audience who call him the goat on tiktok. by the way, i saw that. they? they do , yes. >> i'm not cool enough for tiktok. >> no, but but i have to say, look, what's going on. we know

what's happened. i think rishi made mistake getting rid made a huge mistake getting rid of the one that of suella. the only one that said what people were thinking. rishi is spineless. he's like a jellyfish , no backbone and prada jellyfish, no backbone and prada pants . and, you know, i'm sorry. pants. and, you know, i'm sorry. he's a backstabber. he backstabbed suella. he backstabbed suella. he backstabbed boris. he'll never change. he's not popular. he's never going to win the election. there's no bob and bob there's bob hope. no bob and bob left the building. yeah, that's the words . one of them. but the words. one of them. but listen. and now we're going to look at keir starmer. i mean, both them. it's like laurel both of them. it's like laurel and would a betterjob, and hardy would do a betterjob, but starmer, mean, he's but keir starmer, i mean, he's got a lot of fighting in his own party. as we said, eight shadow ministers have already quit, two parliamentary quit, you parliamentary private quit, you know, 330 labour councillors have opened this open letter in disgust of how he's, you know, what he says about the ceasefire. but i'm really sorry. he he was the one that backed jeremy corbyn. i don't know how overnight he suddenly changed his views. matthew you might be able to tell me because only in

2019 he was there going, you know, jeremy corbyn would be a great prime minister and he wouldn't said wouldn't have any words, said against him. and it seemed like overnight a horlicks and overnight he had a horlicks and suddenly up and changed his suddenly woke up and changed his mind than well, i'm sorry, mind was than a well, i'm sorry, but the man doesn't know what he believes in and he's never even mentioned immigration. >> you can respond that >> and you can respond to that challenge because what happened you of that. you were a part of all of that. >> i was wasn't >> well, i was well, i wasn't i certainly wasn't part jeremy certainly wasn't part of jeremy corbyn. didn't for corbyn. and i didn't vote for jeremy corbyn leader of jeremy corbyn to be leader of the and neither did keir. the party, and neither did keir. but at the time, mean, at the but at the time, i mean, at the time, very difficult time, it's very difficult because in, it's because when you're in, it's like know, like a football team. you know, you, mean, it was pretty you, you, i mean, it was pretty clear jeremy corbyn wasn't clear that jeremy corbyn wasn't going to be prime minister. i mean, when going to be prime minister. i mean with when going to be prime minister. i mean with gloria when going to be prime minister. i mean with gloria de when going to be prime minister. i mean with gloria de piero when going to be prime minister. i mean with gloria de piero ofrhen going to be prime minister. i mean with gloria de piero of gb| i was with gloria de piero of gb news, then labour mp and news, who was then labour mp and we were knocking on doors saying, don't worry love to people, dock. people, you're on my dock. as they glorious old they say in glorious old constituency. jeremy's not going to be prime minister. but that was as far the was very difficult as far as the new is concerned. new new party is concerned. new parties. we have the new party in terms of we have reform. who are doing surprisingly well. and actually are on actually the greens, who are on 7 in the polls. and

7 or 8% in the polls. and i think that a testament think that is a testament because labour is 25.20 to 25 points still not points ahead. but it's still not it's not sweeping all before it. it's the conservatives who are doing very badly. so that's a challenge for labour it's challenge for labour that it's got disenchantment with got to turn disenchantment with the a positive the tories into a positive desire for people to have a labour government still talking about the same too about the same boring too old parties, labour and conservatives are both. but conservatives who are both. but you people who left conservatives who are both. but you party people who left conservatives who are both. but you party over, people who left conservatives who are both. but you party over, corbyne who left conservatives who are both. but you party over, corbyn left|o left conservatives who are both. but you party over, corbyn left the aft the party over, corbyn left the labour people labour party, people like luciana and chuka umunna. luciana berger and chuka umunna. >> oh yes, i remember chuka umunna for the change uk. >> yes, they tried and failed , >> yes, they tried and failed, but that was because they were useless. >> a lot of them. well it's very hard to start a new party. i had a chance to leave the labour party and he turned it down as well. >> he should have stayed and fought, which is what keir did, >> he should have stayed and foughtwould1 is what keir did, >> he should have stayed and foughtwould have'hat keir did, >> he should have stayed and foughtwould have beeneir did, >> he should have stayed and foughtwould have been better. which would have been better. >> unfortunately didn't. >> but unfortunately he didn't. and up change and and then he set up change and that a disaster. that was a disaster. >> that be lesson to >> just let that be a lesson to people thinking of a new reform. >> just let that be a lesson to pee notthinking of a new reform. >> just let that be a lesson to pee not really|g of a new reform. >> just let that be a lesson to pee not really|g lessonzw reform. >> just let that be a lesson to pee not really|g lesson though. n. >> not really a lesson though. it was a rubbish party, but look, reform uk, they've seen their up. their polls go up. >> it's like 11. >> i mean it's up like 11. i think it and i know it's

think it is. and i know it's tough to make headway with a new party, are party, but i think people are really would really sick. would you be campaigning for them? i would. i think people sick of the think people are sick of the woke yes. i think woke nonsense. yes. i think people conservatives to people want conservatives to be conservatives. worst conservatives. again, the worst thing back thing ever, bringing back cameron, for god's sake . cameron, for god's sake. >> we can all agree on that. >> we can all agree on that. >> i mean, a massive failure for who walked out as prime minister and rishi has pulled him out of the fridge freezer. well, you know, he's i mean, why? i mean, it does look like the public school boys are back in charge, doesn't school boys are back in charge, doeyou've got all four of the >> you've got all four of the great offices state, not only great offices of state, not only are blokes, of are they all blokes, all four of them paying schools, them went to fee paying schools, which only 7% of the population do. it's exactly do. so it's not exactly representative. it representative. it doesn't it doesn't chime with how people want that's why want change. i think that's why we need a labour government new and think they are sick. and i think they are sick. >> of woke >> they are sick of this woke nonsense. doesn't nonsense. keir starmer doesn't even is. he even know what a woman is. he decided he's weak. he's kept him flip and has got no flip flop and rishi has got no chance of winning the he's flipping on his decision with gaza wife is gaza though, because his wife is , you obviously his , you know, obviously his children brought the children are brought up in the jewish faith. >> his wife i >> and i think his wife is i believe jewish. think so.

believe so, jewish. i think so. jewish know of jewish heritage. i know of jewish heritage. i know of jewish heritage. i know of jewish heritage. so, yeah, she's telling him right now. >> well, i think it's what he believes as well. but yeah, it's clearly it is what it is personal. so i think the flip you flip flops, you know, the flip flops, they'll be binned by the they'll have to be binned by the tory stayed tory party because he stayed firm. >> well, he has to stay firm because won't him flip because she won't let him flip flop his children as flop at all and his children as well. this well. so i think on this occasion we're seeing some metal and only because and steel, but it's only because he's a sense, in he's got, in a sense, skin in the game, as people would say, that, he an that, you know, he has an interest of his own with him. but what's worry with keir starmer? >> he's never about >> he's never talked about immigration, at the immigration, even at the at the labour party, never labour conference party, never mentioned the most mentioned one of the most important that people important issues that people are all didn't all worried about. he didn't even it up. even bring it up. >> it was should have got >> no, it was he should have got the immigration in the speech. >> no, it was he should have got the irwrittenion in the speech. >> no, it was he should have got the irwrittenion ispeech,)eech. if i'd written the speech, it would i can would have been in there. i can tell you didn't know. tell you, you didn't know. >> well, you know. well, listen, this without you this show is nothing without you and welcome and your views. let's welcome our voice is there our great british voice is there on opportunity on the show on opportunity to be on the show and what think and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing. many of discussing. i've got how many of you? four of you. yeah we'll start you, brian duggan in start with you, brian duggan in solihull. brian, what do you

think? um yeah, well, >> hi, nana. um yeah, well, i mean, pretty clear from the mean, it's pretty clear from the debate in the studio that the new something that we new party is something that we want to see emerging. >> or the consensus in want to see emerging. >> studio the consensus in want to see emerging. >> studio that|e consensus in want to see emerging. >> studio that anyway,1sus in want to see emerging. >> studio that anyway, um, in the studio is that anyway, um, i think, look, think the tory think, look, i think the tory party conservative is a real identity crisis. >> um , they don't know where >> um, they don't know where they stand, which is why someone like cameron has been brought back into government as you say, kind of dinosaur and a man largely responsible for, for some of the febrile politics. >> he could be on the john cleese programme, could be used to be on the dinosaur. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> the dinosaur era. >> the dinosaur era. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> yeah. and labour. i i kind of disagree with you in terms of what you're saying in terms of labour at the moment. >> look, they've got a 25 point lead. >> they must be doing something right. >> no , there is internal >> no, there is internal wrangling in terms of perhaps gaza. >> i think everyone is wrestling with their conscience over gaza. >> i've got to move on, brian, but i think i don't think so, bnan. but i think i don't think so, brian . think that the brian. i think it's that the conservative party are just doing everything wrong. alan

cook hi, nana. hello alan. every 100 years. >> yes . to the new party, >> yes. to the new party, obviously, but every hundred years there's a major revolution in english politics. >> the anniversary is next year. >> the anniversary is next year. >> so with the two main parties being in step with each other, we have no choice . we have no choice. >> so i am one of the 550 parliament candidates for reform uk and as you just said, we are hitting 11% in the polls. >> only eight points behind the tories . tories. >> so what we are going to do is trust and common sense back into politics. >> that's what i say is don't, don't change your politics, change your party, don't change your politics, change your party. >> i wonder if people will, though, jonathan jones , does he though, jonathan jones, does he is he too hopes and bob open? no hope of any other party emerging, other than the conservatives and labour? >> you never know . nana. >> you never know. nana. >> you never know. nana. >> i've taken the first tea grown in england all the way up

to the north of scotland again, your guesswork , but i've just your guesswork, but i've just been reading the tea leaves for you and nigel is going to win the jungle. >> he's going to come up to scotland and win the snp vote. he's going to be prime minister well, you think , yeah, well, you know, you think, yeah, she is, man . she is, man. >> you've gone past jonathan, you've swapped your mug for a posh cup. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean scotland. i couldn't find a decent mug. >> you couldn't find a decent mug. he says , okay, let's go mug. he says, okay, let's go over to stephanie milton over to stephanie in milton keynes. stephanie hello? >> nana. >> nana. >> yes , i do say yes for a new >> yes, i do say yes for a new political party at the moment, with the way things are going with the way things are going with the way things are going with the conservative and also with the conservative and also with the conservative and also with the labour party, what's happening this week with suella braverman jeremy corbyn and other issues ? other issues? >> we need a political party thatis >> we need a political party that is looking out for the heart of the nation in tackling issues like migration on net zero gender issues , sales tax zero gender issues, sales tax and other important issues. >> at the moment we're not getting that we need a new

party. so >> so what do you think there is? we need a new one or not at this pace and there is a time for a new party. it's 70 time. thank you very much, stephanie. fabulous work. also, jonathan jones, alan cook and also brian, thank you very much. lovely to talk to you. this is my great british voices. this is gb news. it's now for the quick fire it's time now for the quick fire quiz. part of the show where quiz. the part of the show where we test our panel on some of the other are hitting we test our panel on some of the oth> b 75, 75, 75. how old is he? he is at home. on the answer is b 75. you're absolutely right.

yes okay. question two suella braverman was sacked from government this week, but who is the shortest serving home secretary in the 21st century? is it a grant shapps is it b priti patel ? is it c, theresa priti patel? is it c, theresa may or d amber? lizzie cundy i'm going to go for a hey, you're saying it's grant shapps i would saying it's grant shapps i would say the same. you're saying grant shapps yes. all right, let's see if you're right. the answer grant shapps it's one answer is grant shapps it's one all wow . who do you think out of all wow. who do you think out of those? has this been the most effective ? effective? >> none of them. >> none of them. >> none. none i'm afraid. no. do you know what priti patel was in a similar situation . suella a similar situation. suella hands were tied. couldn't get things done a bonus. things done for a bonus. >> as well. then what? what number? home secretary are we on? third. seventh, seventh. this is third in this whole conservative and this conservative. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> 07! think the answer is actually eight. >> is it? okay well, i'm closest. yes, it's not close, is it eight? >> oh, it's not. closest answer wins. all right. yes but grant shapps though. yeah. he was the

shortest serving home secretary. he position for he served in the position for a final of six days. >> they didn't have time to get him pass. they didn't have him a pass. they didn't have time the time to get a pass for the building of all part of the lattice truss era. >> let us truss in truss >> yeah. let us truss in truss questions . three how many former questions. three how many former prime ministers have come back to government since the 18th century? is it a 12? b 14. c, 16 or d 18? lizzie cundy ds 1818. i'm going to say c, c, 16. let's see if you're right. you're both wrong. i bet. yeah, of course you are. b is 1414. >> we are wrong. >> we are wrong. >> you sounded but totally wrong . yes. 14 is it still very well? yes, obviously. come back . yes, obviously. come back. different government roles since the 18th century. did you get that right at home? it's only one since the second world war. >> sorry. you indeed. >> sorry. yes. you did indeed. >> sorry. yes. you did indeed. >> for how many times >> question for how many times have suella braverman been home secretary? a, one, b, two, secretary? is it a, one, b, two, c, three or d, four? oh, i don't know who that was. me. that was you.

>> i'm sorry to be out, but it was b two. >> b two. >> b two. >> it's two. oh, i think i was got neptune. the answer is b it is two. >> did you get two right at home? yes. so it's a21 to matthew. >> i've got to win some time. >> i've got to win some time. >> no, it's still time for you to lose. >> come on. »- >> come on. >> want the supreme >> i want five. the supreme court the rwanda court has ruled that the rwanda plan as illegal. and how much does the government pay to rwanda so far? is it 50 million? 100 million or 100 and 40 million or 200 million? unfortunately, matthew , it's 140 unfortunately, matthew, it's 140 million. >> it's 100. 140. >> it's 100. 140. >> i you knew that you're >> i knew you knew that you're normally quick on the easy. >> so i've got to say congratulations to matthew la la for once life. i knew for once in your life. i knew you'd it. you'd get it. >> to you. >> i gave it to you. >> i gave it to you. >> thank you both for playing in the green it. the green room about it. >> done. >> well done. >> well done. >> so kind all. very >> so kind of. you all. very kind. well how did you do it? you're very lovely. sure you did well, today's show, well, listen, on today's show, we've it to we've been asking, is it time to axe the rwanda plan? well, what we've been asking, is it time to axeyou rwanda plan? well, what we've been asking, is it time to axeyou think?ia plan? well, what we've been asking, is it time to axeyou think? according'ell, what we've been asking, is it time to axeyou think? according to , what we've been asking, is it time to axeyou think? according to ouriat do you think? according to our twitter of say yes twitter poll, 37% of you say yes . but the resounding 63% of you say no . no. well, i agree with

say no. no. well, i agree with you. it is not time to axe that rwanda plan. do you think they're right, lizzie? yeah i think we've got to continue with it . it. >> and we're not going to be ruled by foreign judges. >> and we're not going to be ruled by foreign judges . let's ruled by foreign judges. let's do this. >> matthew lviv sadly, i think it is time to get rid of the plan and start having a proper plan and start having a proper plan to sort out the boats crisis. will labour do? >> because they mentioned >> because they never mentioned it? well, the i can labour >> no. well, the i can labour would sort the backlog out, would sort the backlog out, would have a proper cross border would sort the backlog out, would unit. a proper cross border would sort the backlog out, would unit. acanper cross border would sort the backlog out, would unit. acan give ross border would sort the backlog out, would unit. acan give you border would sort the backlog out, would unit. acan give you nextar police unit. i can give you next week, you whole week, i'll give you the whole plan on a t shirt. >> sorry. rwanda is a >> i'm sorry. rwanda is a wonderful think it's wonderful place and i think it's quite how is quite racist how everyone is being and it's safe being about rwanda and it's safe as i told from spend, any as i told you from my spend, any more million, we spent more than 140 million, we spent so much already. so much money already. >> got have a new solution. >> we're spending million >> we're spending 8 million a day people. yeah, we day housing people. so yeah, we need that bill down need to get that bill down by stopping is another stopping using hotels is another one labour's one of labour part of labour's plan. they going to do plan. how are they going to do that? >> by sorting, sorting out the written the back of a flip written on the back of a flip flop. all. but sorting flop. no not at all. but sorting out backlog a out the backlog and having a proper returns we can proper returns unit so we can return flops. return the flip flops. >> face for christmas. >> oh, fabulous. lizzie cundy and also the brilliant matthew

laza you you laza pleasure. thank you to you at company at home for your company as even at home for your company as ever. sure you join me ever. make sure you join me tomorrow. christine hamilton and danny live. i'll danny kelly will be live. i'll leave weather. enjoy >> hello there. welcome your >> hello there. welcome to your latest news weather forecast. latest gb news weather forecast. i'm looking i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead for most of us, ahead to sunday for most of us, we will see further rain. there will be a few brighter moments and all it will be fairly and for all it will be fairly mild. reason for unsettled mild. reason for the unsettled weather area of low weather is this huge area of low pressure is not going pressure which is not going to go we go through the go far as we go through the second half of the weekend. note the isobars down the tightly packed isobars down towards the south indicating it's pretty it's going to be pretty blustery. so as we end saturday, going into the early hours of sunday, relatively skies sunday, relatively clear skies across and wales, across england and wales, initially north, we have initially further north, we have further areas of rain and they will sink their way south eastwards as through the eastwards as we go through the course night. it's a mild course of the night. it's a mild one for all of us. temperatures staying firmly in the positive territory and as i mentioned, it's going to be pretty blustery down towards south—west. down towards the south—west. risk here as we go risk of some gales here as we go through sunday, sunday really is a mixture of showers or longer spells of rain. some of the rain

could potentially be fairly heavy times. best of any heavy at times. best of any brightness probably up across eastern scotland and england may well cheer up, too, as we go into the afternoon. but for most it is a mild one. temperatures may be a shade cooler than they have today . onto monday , have been today. onto monday, further rain is in the forecast for much of the uk, maybe sank a little bit drier and brighter coming through for parts of eastern england and here actually, winds may well be a little lighter. further little bit lighter. further west, going to be another west, it's going to be another blustery day. good news is tuesday wednesday. it does tuesday and wednesday. it does turn a little bit drier for some of feeling little bit of us, but feeling a little bit colder

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i can't add up all of that and plenty of chat with my lovely panellist, journalist, author and presenter jasmine birtles. and presenterjasmine birtles. but first, an update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez i >> -- >> neil, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. pro—palestinian protesters staging a day of national action with demonstrations and marches having taken place across the country. people have been gathered outside of downing street this evening. police say around 250 demonstrators ears have been gathering outside the gates on whitehall. at least two protesters were carried away by police at waterloo station after more pro—palestine demonstrations . people could be demonstrations. people could be heard chanting ceasefire now. and from the river to the sea. in the middle of the stations concourse, these scenes were captured in north london this afternoon . as you can see, some afternoon. as you can see, some protesters were heard and seen describing israel as a terror

state. gb news reporterjeff