that and i can't add up all of that and plenty of chat with my lovely panellist, journalist, author and presenter jasmine birtles. and presenterjasmine birtles. but first, an update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez i >> -- >> neil, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. pro—palestinian protesters staging a day of national action with demonstrations and marches having taken place across the country. people have been gathered outside of downing street this evening. police say around 250 demonstrators ears have been gathering outside the gates on whitehall. at least two protesters were carried away by police at waterloo station after more pro—palestine demonstrations . people could be demonstrations. people could be heard chanting ceasefire now. and from the river to the sea. in the middle of the stations concourse, these scenes were captured in north london this afternoon . as you can see, some afternoon. as you can see, some protesters were heard and seen describing israel as a terror

state. gb news reporterjeff moody was at a protest in bristol. >> well, they're calling this a national day of action, and there's certainly plenty of action here in bristol. we think there's something around 5000 odd people that have taken to the streets today in bristol. they're taking to the streets not just here, but in a hundred different cities. and towns across our country . and the aim across our country. and the aim of today is for, as the organisers say , for ordinary organisers say, for ordinary people to voice their opinion and to call for a ceasefire in gaza. and to call for a ceasefire in gaza . so far it's been gaza. so far it's been a peaceful protest with plenty of banners, plenty of anger, plenty of debate on the streets. but so far the police have been policing this with a light touch and that does seem to have paid . off >> and at least four people were arrested during a just stop oil protest earlier today. activists marched from the shell headquarters in opposition to the approval of more than 100 new oil and gas projects. it's

the group says peaceful protesters are being locked up while those who it describes as climate criminals are protected . climate criminals are protected. two people have been airlifted to hospital after a dog attack in the north of wales. officers were called to an address in the rorschach one area yesterday morning . one dog has been morning. one dog has been destroyed, another 37 dogs and cats were seized by authorities. more on this story as we get it. the israeli military is warning thousands of people to leave the south of gaza as it tightens its focus on hamas terrorists there. earlier warnings saw scores of people move from the north of gaza amid the escalating conflict. leaflets have been dropped by the idf near the khan younis area , telling people to younis area, telling people to move again. this time westward . move again. this time westward. meanwhile, israel says it will allow two truckloads of fuel into gaza each day following international pressure. it's after the un warned of rapidly deteriorating condition and a mounting risk of starvation in the white house wants larger

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now it's back to. neil >> are you tired of all that's happening? do you feel just about done with the whole lot of it? if it's any comfort, i know i do. whatever. we're being sold now. forever. war. fear of pandemic , net zero and all that. pandemic, net zero and all that. that lunacy demands. i don't want it. don't want it. want it. i don't want any of it. and so i ask again a question. i will keep asking. who are we? what is our species all about? what is our species all about? what is our so—called western civilisation supposed to . be it civilisation supposed to. be it seems to me the only point of our civilisation now is money. the creation and pursuit of money. and that the best way to make money is to make war. to make money is to make war. to make war. and care, not a jot. which side wins? indeed to care, not a jot. whether any side wins as as the consequence of as long as the consequence of every war. we every war is another war. we were long ago that the love were told long ago that the love of money the root of of money is the root of all evil. also that whoever saves one life saves the world entire .

one life saves the world entire. the budget for the us pentagon is predicted sometime very soon to reach $1 trillion a year. the us economy is still the biggest in the world. depends on war, depends upon the sale of weapons of war. that means the us government depends on war to war somewhere or everywhere, just to balance the books, or at least to sell the fantasy that those books could ever balance out. it's demonstrably the case that us arms manufacturers sell their wares to anyone able to pay , wares to anyone able to pay, regardless of how they're to be used, regardless of whether civilians are the targets. a 2022 report for the quincy institute revealed that of the 46 active wars in the world that year , 34 involved one or more year, 34 involved one or more parties armed by the united states. sometimes as the us arms companies were arming both sides. the saudi united arab emirates led intervention in yemen between 2015 and now has killed 400,000 and counting. the war in ukraine has earned hundreds of billions for weapons

manufacturers and killed half a million more overlooked and sidelined by more recent events . sidelined by more recent events. as that war is still going on, still making money. but war in the ukraine is yesterday's news compared to the latest war in the middle east. are we happy with this kind of thing as the 21st century grinds forward ? is 21st century grinds forward? is this and more of this all we must look forward to? or does something have to give ? for all something have to give? for all the empty talk of progress , the empty talk of progress, inclusivity, tolerance, diversity and the rest, are we happy that war and endless death are the prerequisites for economic growth? the bewildering fog of information out there narratives ruthlessly and relentlessly pushed by governments , invested with governments, invested with economic necessity and forever war is, i suppose, making it increasingly tempting. born of disillusionment and exhaustion, simply to pick a side and cheer on the destruction of the other. it's certainly simpler that way, undemanding of conscious.

it's certainly simpler that way, undemanding of conscious . as undemanding of conscious. as i say, it's at least true to say that talking about peace, far less advocating peace is the most controversial stance to adopt. most controversial stance to adopt . i was raised and educated adopt. i was raised and educated to believe genocide is wrong , to believe genocide is wrong, antithetical to what it means to be human and alive, and that saying as much out loud ought not to be controversial. death decades ago, we were sold a war on terror. another question we might ask in that regard is how do you make fewer terrorists, the agents of terror, instead of more terrorist acts? both sides in the war between israel and hamas have one thing in common belief that each must keep killing the other until the other is gone. is that where we are now? pick a side and kill the other until the other is wiped from the earth. that doesn't seem progressive to me as well as the line about the love of money being the root of all evil. we were told long ago that the first casualty of war is truth. we don't seem to be remembering that either. perhaps the other war we ought to be paying the other war we ought to be paying attention is the paying attention to is the information the war to

information war. the war to determine who controls the creation and delivery of information , even if exhaustion , information, even if exhaustion, spiritual as well as physical tempts you simply to pick a side to see every issue as black or white with no grey in between. then might the same fatigue blind to us how much and how often we are lied to? we know we were lied to about the pandemic. the justification for the official response lockdown and all but mandated jabs. official response lockdown and all but mandated jabs . we know all but mandated jabs. we know we were lied to about the war in ukraine. we were told it was nothing to do with nato expansion. but now the head of nato, jens stoltenberg, admits it was all about the expansion of nato. twain wrote that , of nato. mark twain wrote that, quote, it's not what you don't know that kills you. it's what you know sure that isn't so. you know for sure that isn't so. the ultimate danger in the information war is believing lies, believing them for sure. but what do you do if the other side wins the information war and all you are offered are their lies? forever war is a forever distraction from everything else that's going on.

everything else that's being pulled on us out there in the fog, overlooked and sidelined by the mainstream, but still, for the mainstream, but still, for the meantime, at least resolutely scrutinised by online media. is the world health organisation pandemic treaty and the proposed amendments thereof? i say the substance of the changes proposed for that treaty . that treaty by and for the who . the who. that is largely funded by and therefore mostly due to the bidding of one bill gates should terrify us. tedros ghebreyesus, director general of the who, recently said fears raised online about the treaty and its implications for the sovereignty of nation states are fake. news misinfo formation and conspiracy theory , he says, conspiracy theory, he says, claims that national sovereignty is under threat, that the who will have power to impose lockdowns and mandates and the rest are unfounded . i say those rest are unfounded. i say those are lies . unelected, are lies. unelected, unaccountable . ghebreyesus asks unaccountable. ghebreyesus asks the governments . of all 190 odd

the governments. of all 190 odd countries contemplating the treaty amendments amendments that will be adopted across the board unless governments actively opt out and there's precious little sign of that . precious little sign of that. must instead take action to counter these false narratives in every way that matters. the countering of so—called false narratives means stopping your freedom of speech . ghebreyesus freedom of speech. ghebreyesus says. freedom of speech. ghebreyesus says . all that, despite the says. all that, despite the draft of the new document released earlier this year, which makes plain the who. wants to remove from the treaty the concept of non binding. making the treaty binding for all and to have nations states accept it will be up to the w.h.o. to accept it will be up to the who. to decide when anything, w.h.o. to decide when anything, anything poses a threat to world health and to act accordingly. the draft describes the threat posed by an infodemic there's a new word to chill the blood and refers to the over abundance of information accurate or not. read that again. accurate or not. implying that the who.

would expect governments to root out and remove even that information, which is true if its presence in the public domain might lead individuals to behaving in ways the who. does not like. for whatever reason , not like. for whatever reason, evenin not like. for whatever reason, even in this objective , the even in this objective, the w.h.o. even in this objective, the who. has the support of tech giants like google standing ready with what they describe as innoko relations against wrongthink . even if what you wrongthink. even if what you read or hear is true , even if read or hear is true, even if what you say to others is true, if it results or may result in you or anyone else behaving in a way, the who. does not like, then that truth would have to be stifled . the who. desires and stifled. the who. desires and is working towards having in the event of what they and they alone declare as a health emergency even the potential to become a health emergency control of where food is grown, where clothes are made, all of it in the name of pandemic prevention , avoidance of climate

prevention, avoidance of climate change, anything might be declared a pandemic risk. empowering the who. to redistribute resources . edits redistribute resources. edits made to documents in the spring of this year would empower the w.h.o. to of this year would empower the who. to instruct nation states w.h.o. to instruct nation states to lock down their populations, to lock down their populations, to increase surveillance of those populations , and to those populations, and to determine treatments to mandate jabs, to cede to the who. the control of the distribution of such products , to order such products, to order companies to surrender to the w.h.o. companies to surrender to the who. intellectual property and w.h.o. intellectual property and profits, to accept demands about the redistribution of anything and everything. let's remember above all that the who. were disastrous in the face of the last pandemic. who in the right mind would even contemplate giving them more influence next time around ? covering all that time around? covering all that this week , online media channel this week, online media channel redacted reminded us of the words of us president herbert hoover warning that, quote,

every collectivist revolution rides in on the trojan horse of emergency . it was the tactic of emergency. it was the tactic of lenin, hitler and mussolini in the collective sweep over a dozen minor countries of europe. it was the cry of men striving to get on horseback and emergency became the justification of the subsequent steps. this technique of creating emergency is the greatest achievement. that demagoguery attains. next month, the uk's king charles heads to dubaiand the uk's king charles heads to dubai and cop 28. we don't know what he'll say there, but he's an outsider token supporter of centralised power and believes in net zero if as constitutional monarch, he approves any surrender of national sovereignty and sovereignty, which under the terms of his coronation oath, he has sworn to defend, then he makes himself redundant in every meaningful way. it's precisely in this time of exhaustion and of disillusionment that we must

defend our right to information. the right to determine for ourselves what information we trust, when did words like misinformation , disinformation misinformation, disinformation and mal information become part of how we are lectured to by those claiming power over our lives? by their avoidance of debate , by their desertion of debate, by their desertion of the debating chamber ? that's the the debating chamber? that's the house of commons. our elected representatives have abdicate hated their sworn responsibility to speak freely on our behalf and to listen respectfully to the free speech of others. we are in dreadful danger now, not just of the consequences of wars waged in our name, but of the loss even of our right to talk about such things. i see we are lied to about one thing after another from the justification for war to the reality of our economy. from the suicide note that his commitment to net zero to the threat posed to our right to the threat posed to our right to spend our own money without the permission of the state, instead of the free trade of ideas and truth. all we are promised is ever more censorship

in the great taking. david rogers webb wrote there are monsters under the stairs eating people alive , but you don't want people alive, but you don't want to look under the stairs because you want to keep using the stairs. here's the thing are we so beaten down that we will meekly accept more lies rather than ask questions? if we don't demand truthful answers, then i ask again, who are . ask again, who are. we i'm joined throughout the show today by journalist and authorjasmine by journalist and author jasmine birtles . jasmine, thanks for birtles. jasmine, thanks for being here. hi. i am i find all of this so sapping, to be honest . what do you feel about the progression of events? well you know, i'm on the other way because i think i've only just got started , frankly, back in 2020. >> i said to a friend of mine that i felt that it was going to take five years for this. what i described as mass hypnosis to

break. so that was 2020. towards the end of 23. now we've got at least by my reckoning, we've got at least a year to go. so i'm fighting . i've been fighting fighting. i've been fighting from the start. i'm i'm just starting to fight all this. but i totally agree with you that we in eventually have to keep fighting and every individual people who does makes a difference. and this is something i think that we all need to be aware of. it's not out there. it's we can't wait for the government to do anything. i think as we've had shown to us in living colour over the last few years, governments not going to do it. it is going to be us as individuals in whatever way we can. however small we might think it is . we are the ones think it is. we are the ones that are going to break through this. >> it troubles me that there's constant distraction . i mean, constant distraction. i mean, it's easy and it's and in many ways it's only right that people are distracted by war in all its horror , in all its horror, in all its manifestations, but at the same

time, things are happening out of sight , sidelined, which are of sight, sidelined, which are undoubtedly restricting our freedoms in every conceivable way. yes >> and like you, i've noticed this as well . >> and like you, i've noticed this as well. i >> and like you, i've noticed this as well . i actually wrote this as well. i actually wrote a piece for my substack news uncut just recently saying exactly that, that i've heard from a few people, including israelis, that they could not believe absolute lutely that the attack from hamas was not known by by their leaders in particular, netanyahu and you know that the whole destruction has been very, very useful for netanyahu , of course, useful for netanyahu, of course, who was facing all sorts of things, legal problems, all kinds. but as you've pointed out, we have this worry , big out, we have this worry, big worry of the world health organisation wanting to restrict our movement. you know, if there's some sort of international outbreak of restless leg syndrome or whatever, any excuse, you know, they will do it and we have to fight this. and the, the, the

terrifying thing, abdication of response ability by elected representatives. >> you know, when andrew bridgen tried to have a debate or did have a debate about excess deaths, a no one came and likewise, you know, the who amendments to the treaty will happen by default unless individual governments, for whatever reason, say, no, we don't want to take part in that. we don't want to sign up to it. and there's no sign of that happening there isn't. >> no. and i have said again, i'm and i would say i'm pushing it and i would say to anybody who is concerned and i think there are more and more people working out people who are working it out a bit like dec central bank bit like with dec central bank digital currencies, you know, there and more people there are more and more people who are hearing it and who are hearing about it and going, same with who. going, well, same with the who. and is up to us as and i think it is up to us as individuals to talk about it, to tell our friends, tell our our social media all of social media followers, all of that pushing. because, that and keep pushing. because, again , it might like there again, it might seem like there is only us, but you is only a few of us, but you only need 20% to change things. it's just 20% of people are needed to change everything.

>> what's the antidote to the exhaustion? because after all, people have been under the cosh one for one way or another for years now. we how do we now. how do we how do we embolden and re—energize ourselves as well? >> i always find that the antidote tiredness and, as antidote to tiredness and, as you say, exhaustion is joy. interestingly and that sounds like a funny thing to say, but i really do mean it. and joy is something that we have inside us. it doesn't have to be something that comes from outside . i mean, you know, the outside. i mean, you know, the biblical quote, you know , your biblical quote, you know, your joy, biblical quote, you know, your joy, no man taketh from you. so it is we can we genuinely can insist on joy that of our own joy insist on joy that of our own joy and we can insist that whatever's happening around us or seems to be happening around us cannot and will not take our joy us cannot and will not take our joy away in search of joy. >> how encouraging. now we're on a break, after which commentator andrew lowenthal will be here to tackle the subject of big tech censorship . and we'll discuss if censorship. and we'll discuss if we are now in an age where free

speech, privacy and human autonomy are under assault, don't go away .

laden to gb news radio. >> welcome back. now, are we able to speak freely? it's a question i keep asking in the emerging digital world. are there or are there not growing constraints on traditional freedoms to say whatever our well, we damn well please ? well, we damn well please? joining me now is writer andrew lowenthal, director of libre net, dedicated to asking questions about free speech, privacy and human autonomy. thank you so much for joining me, andrew. very nice to be here, neal . me, andrew. very nice to be here, neal. is there ever justification for controlling information and indeed access to information and indeed access to information ? i think where information? i think where you're promoting illegal

activity, where you're promoting terror, where you're promoting violence, i think, you know, free speech has always been just on the cusp of that. >> so i would agree that there is there is a role . but what is there is a role. but what we've seen here is an absolutely enormous overreach . um, and the enormous overreach. um, and the use of kind of hate, misinformation , laws and misinformation, laws and policies essentially to justify clamping down on very, very legitimate speech. so it's always been a slippery slope. and the problem has become that the people who used to be the kind of core defender of free expression , which well, for the expression, which well, for the last kind of several decades, would be much more on the left, it turned out well, essentially cave over the last several years with the increasing rapidity . with the increasing rapidity. >> do you think i mean, i always try and question whether or not i'm just paranoid. but do you think we have anything to fear from the centralising of power and control of information under

organisations like the wef or the who or so on you? >> you are paranoid, but it doesn't mean they're not after you.soi doesn't mean they're not after you. so i think there's unfortunately we have to kind of update the way in which we understand, you know, essentially how public opinion is being managed today. i think for a lot of people, we're still in this kind of iraq war, weapons of mass destruction type model think the model of how we think the government to influence government tries to influence us. think the internet and us. and i think the internet and social media have essentially enabled this much more sophisticated way in which pubuc sophisticated way in which public opinion is managed through shadowbanning, through taking people offline from smearing and new forms of censorship that people don't quite see as clearly. it's not such a kind of heavy hammer as essentially the old system was , essentially the old system was, but it's very much there and we need to essentially have a much better understanding of what going on. i think that is increasing in terms of the general population understanding of what that new model looks like through things like the

twitter files , through various twitter files, through various other that are other investigations that are coming out in missouri versus biden in the these various biden in the us, these various investigative options. but it's going to take some time for people to see what has actually what this new model is. and what it looks like. and then you know how yourself against how you protect yourself against it in the interim, it in the in the interim, a healthy dose of scepticism and a little bit of paranoia probably aren't too bad. just don't go depher bear with me while i address my paranoia to jasmine birtles, who's my guest in the studio . studio. >> jasmine, i would imagine big tech would say that they have a responsible entity because they're in control of something very that they have very powerful, that they have a responsibility to meet , mediate, responsibility to meet, mediate, supervise and where necessary, take information down. but is it a centralising of power against the will of the people ? the will of the people? >> well, it does seem to be. and i go back to what you mentioned in your opening monologue, the trojan horse of emergency , and trojan horse of emergency, and you do find quite regularly that

some emergency will happen. and the people or a group of the people will suddenly demand that that a certain section of information is shut down because of those people who are doing terrible things. look at what they're doing over there . so they're doing over there. so quite often you find that the centralised power has their work done them by people done for them by people demanding it. once done for them by people demanding it . once they create, demanding it. once they create, maybe they create an emergency or a so—called emergency creates itself . and i think we as the itself. and i think we as the people need to grow further , to people need to grow further, to understand that adults rights need to be given the opportunity to decide for themselves. and yes, sometimes adults will make the wrong decisions . but the wrong decisions. but ultimately we have to be able to decide for ourselves . decide for ourselves. >> andrew what about that? jasmine saying, you know, this idea that by invoking emergency and as i mentioned at the top of the program, i don't know if you heard the idea that it's a trojan horse which can be used to smuggle in control. well, what do say to that? what do you say to that? >> oh, i completely agree. i

think we saw that very much dunng think we saw that very much during covid. we during during covid. we had these kind of already kind of mis disinformation on or mis and disinformation on or so—called anti or counter misinformation industry that had been growing for quite some time. and covid essentially created this. you know, it made the trojan horse even bigger and allowed for a huge sweeping amounts of what became very direct forms of censorship and involvement of, you know, increasingly the security state. so one of the stories just came out that i was also part of publishing is looking at something called the stanford internet observatory. it turns out that based on new documents released from the house weaponization , um, on the weaponization, um, on the weaponization, um, on the weaponization of the federal government in the us , that government in the us, that actually this thing called the election integrity project partnership sorry , and the partnership sorry, and the virality project developed these so—called anti vaccine disinformation were actually conceived of by the department of homeland security. so there are emails now essentially where

the partners are saying , you the partners are saying, you know, we've been put put it directly, but, you know, we've been asked by dhs and cisa to set this partnership up . so set this partnership up. so there's no doubt anymore in the twitter files of how much the security state essentially become involved in this in this work. so again, that's what we need to be careful . and those need to be careful. and those people who should have been paying people who should have been paying attention, my background is very much from kind of progressive liberal online freedom of expression section of civil society that was meant to be dedicated to essentially watching , you know, corporate watching, you know, corporate power , big tech government, power, big tech government, etcetera, and holding it to account in during the pandemic, essentially . not only did a huge essentially. not only did a huge swathes of that section of civil society cave are actually a lot of the ngos and different labs and centres at universities . and centres at universities. they actually ended up working with the government to enable

some of this censorship under the cloak of disinformation . the cloak of disinformation. >> is that is that is that alliance, andrew, that that rather than, you know, counterbalance forces one against the other, it's that coming together with one objective that's not particularly clear . that particularly clear. that troubles me most of all. but andrew, i've run out of time with you, but to hope pick up this conversation with you again at point in the future. at some point in the future. andrew lowenthal from net, andrew lowenthal from libre net, thank much for joining andrew lowenthal from libre net, thank much forjoining us thank you so much forjoining us and offering your insight. thank you. another break, after which i'll be joined in the studio by philosopher peter bogosian to discuss this. what i see as an ongoing assault on free speech. please stay with me

listening to gb news radio. >> welcome back to neil oliver live so far, we've been talking about the freedom to speak, which is surely a fundamental, if not the fundamental requirement of any civilised

society here in the studio to pick up and carry forward that conversation . one is philosopher conversation. one is philosopher peter bogosian , and if ever peter bogosian, and if ever there was a time for philosophers, i would say that that time is now. thank you for joining me. >> my pleasure. my pleasure. >> my pleasure. my pleasure. >> obviously, jasmine still >> obviously, jasmine is still with the for the ongoing with us for the for the ongoing conversation peter. i feel conversation on peter. i feel that there ought to be a meta narrative, a big story that we tell ourselves about our civilisation is there still such a thing out there ? a thing out there? >> well, the meta narrative is it's a good it's a good point. it's very relevant. it comes from a 1979 work. the postmodern condition from a philosopher lyotard . and the idea is an lyotard. and the idea is an incredulity towards metanarratives a scepticism about meta narratives. so what is a meta narrative? a meta narrative . is, is marxism is narrative. is, is marxism is a meta narrative science evolution would be a meta narrative, a way to explain kind of a grand

theory. christianity is a meta narrative , but that's one of the narrative, but that's one of the things. that's the postmodern condition is we live in a world now in which the meta narratives have been attacked and then the moral substructure just collapses. the consequence . so collapses. the consequence. so yeah, you're right. there are there is a kind of demeaning of truth and a demeaning of big stories that we tell ourselves to explain how we should should live in the world. >> i feel the want of a moral compass now. i don't mean that everyone should should follow that moral compass, but i believe that every civilisation ought to have an idea about itself, of what it what it defines for its population as the right way forward. and people can debate that. but but there ought to be a sense of what is right. and i think that is fundamental, lacking. what is right. and i think that is fokay,|ental, lacking. what is right. and i think that is fokay, so tal, lacking. what is right. and i think that is fokay, so you.acking. what is right. and i think that is fokay, so you have g. what is right. and i think that is fokay, so you have two ways to >> okay, so you have two ways to look at it . we've made a lot of look at it. we've made a lot of mistakes in the past. so we've made mistakes, for example, with the that we've treated the way that we've treated homosexuals. we've made terrible mistakes with the way we've treated . we've

treated minorities. we've made mistakes across the board morally, animals , i think would morally, animals, i think would we could also put in that category and people think because we've made mistakes in the past that we're not on solid footing anymore. so we don't know to proceed. and so once know how to proceed. and so once that happens, the flood , the that happens, the flood, the flood are open. but i'll flood gates are open. but i'll suggest some some metanarratives to that. we can pick up. one is the importance of friendship . we the importance of friendship. we know that if you have friends, your life will be better . if you your life will be better. if you have strong communities, your life will be better. socrates talks about aristotle, talks about it quite a bit, talks about aristotle, talks about it quite a bit , the about it quite a bit, the importance of friendship, what it means to be a friend, how to have virtue relationships with two people who care about each other. metanarrative . other. that's a metanarrative. another. another metanarrative . another. another metanarrative. i think that we've lost is the importance of freedom and the importance of freedom and the importance of freedom and the importance of liberty and the importance of liberty and the importance human dignity. importance of liberty and the importaree human dignity. importance of liberty and the impor1are all human dignity. importance of liberty and the import are all essential ignity. importance of liberty and the import are all essential t0|ity. importance of liberty and the import are all essential to the those are all essential to the human condition recently, human condition and recently, and about this and you've spoken about this very recently, we've very eloquently recently, we've seen the demeaning of those metanarratives and then this the substrate breaks down, the whole

system breaks down. men go into women's rooms, they go into women's rooms, they go into women's sports. people demand that you have to put things in your body. so the whole system has become system has has has become the system has trembled. now, if the system is broken or not, that's another story . story. >> and jasmine, i feel that i feel that because we don't have this bigger story about ourselves that it's ever more dangerous . ourselves that it's ever more dangerous. is that something out there like big tech is controlling what we talk about at all? and as i said at the top of the show, i think at the moment, the only, the only story we seem to tell ourselves is that you go out there and you make money by any means possible. >> well, and as you're >> well, true. and as you're saying i'm thinking saying that i'm thinking of vaclav who in one of the vaclav havel, who in one of the books letters that he did, he books of letters that he did, he was about the mega was talking about the mega machinery find ourselves machinery that we find ourselves under we reject god, when under when we reject god, when we you reject god, you make man god like you end up being under

what he describes as a mega machine. and of course, he grew up under communist rule. so, you know, he knows what mega machinery and i do feel that machinery is. and i do feel that this, you say, this this this, as you say, this this grand story is something outside of just a sense of us being little material creatures matter bodies. there's a more universal divine concept of life that we need to hold on to and that should inform what we have at the moment as human life. without that , i think we are without that, i think we are under this mega machinery that vaclav havel talks about and peter with. >> with that in mind, how much are we at risk from the way in which everything we say and think is being controlled? >> you know, for one even of a of a big story. >> yeah . i want to pick up on >> yeah. i want to pick up on something jasmine said because i think it's really important. so it's not clear that we don't have a metanarrative. so maybe

critical social justice or woke ism was a subset tuition for that. so it's the idea is it's a substitution hypothesis . so substitution hypothesis. so belief is the default. we just basically have to believe in something. and the consequence of that, when christianity fell, we started believing in other other things . we started to other things. we started to sacralize other principles and other ideas . and the question is other ideas. and the question is , is and i'm not saying i know the answer, i suspect i know it's true, but i don't. but i'm not going to offer that at the moment. if the substitute hypothesis is true, then we're all kind of doomed, right? so we'll just go from one religion to another religion to another religion, superstition religion, one superstition to another to another another superstition to another superstition. i think time will tell in a very short order of time, if that's correct. as wokeism fades , am i paranoid or wokeism fades, am i paranoid or are we increasingly living in a in a in a shrinking pool of

freedom to speak and share ideas? >> no, that's certainly not paranoid . paranoid. >> and you see that the exemplar of that is china with esg and social credit systems that are attempting to come in. no that's that's not paranoid . but it that's not paranoid. but it doesn't mean that it's intentional that everybody's out to get you . so i think one thing to get you. so i think one thing that often gets lost in this conversation is forget or just bracket for a moment. the mechanisms of control. what are the what are the consequences of the what are the consequences of the lack of the freedom to speak openly and honestly? what are the consequences of when people are forthright in their speech and their increasing penalties for those people ? and i don't for those people? and i don't mean mere mere cancellation. i mean, you can go back and think maoism, why ? what are the maoism, why? what are the consequences for that? and that's something we don't often speak about outside of the economic realm. >> i agree that i think there are some who are intentionally trying to close down free speech

and control the narrative. but i think i agree that there seems to be, i think, a general hypnosis and quite a lot of people who we think are in control actually, they're not. they're they're being, if you like, there's a sort of a general hypnosis sense that that's what's controlling them at the moment. >> so then the question would be, how do we create a moral infrastructure to see to have an honest conversation about what we should censor? for example, in australia they were chanting gas to jews . and i'm not talking gas to jews. and i'm not talking legally , i'm talking what should legally, i'm talking what should the laws be? what what how do we make public policies like can we rationally as a society figure out whether or not we should allow people to yell from the river to the sea? palestine should be free or gas something far more explicit than that , far more explicit than that, than gas the jews. the problem is that we're not really having open and honest conversations about any of this stuff, and we're doing this to ourselves. forget about esg or forget about

control mechanisms, cause we're self—censoring ourselves out of fear . fear. >> so what are the you mentioned what you asked the question yourself. what are the consequence pieces of this kind of censorship? what's the answer 7 of censorship? what's the answer ? where where do we end up ? ? where where do we end up? >> well, i'll i'll tell you what i think that nobody is talking about. >> but it's perhaps the worst consequence of all. if you want to have a relationship with somebody , if you want to have a somebody, if you want to have a friendship with somebody, then you have to say what you mean to me and i have to say what i mean to you. because if you don't say what you mean to me, then i'll only go by the words that you use . so i'll never really know use. so i'll never really know who you are and you'll never know who i am. you know, from aristotle and socrates onward. you men who are based cannot have friendships with each other. only virtuous people can have friendships like genuine friendships. but you can't even aspire to the level of virtue if you can't say what you mean.

because i want to know you for who you are and not just for what you say. so the consequence of wide scale censorship is we we're losing friendships. people aren't speaking to each other. social media is, of course, exacerbating that. so we have kind of these micro mechanisms. >> there's also the disability, the inability to debate it seems now because as you say, you could say something to me and i could say something to me and i could disagree fundamentally. >> so i'll be saying, you know, no, i disagree with that because x, y, z. and then you could say, well, i disagree. so we could either keep on until we come to some sort of agreement with maybe with with some of it, or we right. well, i could we can go, right. well, i could i'm to you then. i'm going to cancel you then. >> you said really >> what you said really registers with me. i don't want to know what you think you should i don't want should say. yeah, i don't want to that. want to hear to hear that. i want to hear what you actually think. yeah. and not necessarily and i'm not. i'm not necessarily going judge you as you going to judge you as a you know, as someone that i cannot go forward with in a conversation. i if you don't agree i don't agree agree with me and i don't agree with you, that's the basis for a

conversation then, right? >> the also the >> it's also the it's also the bafis >> it's also the it's also the basis friendship here. basis for friendship here. >> to run out of >> we're going to run out of time here. boghosian thank time here. peter boghosian thank you coming in. you so much for coming in. obviously is a conversation obviously this is a conversation that and run and that could run and run and hopefully get the chance hopefully we'll get the chance to pick up again. but thank to pick it up again. but thank you so another you so much, so far. another break forced us. we're break is forced upon us. we're always at the mercy, after which something different. something completely different. stay me

welcome back. once more to neil oliver live now, the comedy movie trading places celebrates its 40th anniversary this year. can you imagine? now four decades on, uk workers have been asked a question related to that film . do you think you could film. do you think you could make it as a stock trader if you had the chance? i'm joined now by paddy osborn from the academic dean and managing director at the london academy

of trading . good evening. thank of trading. good evening. thank you for joining of trading. good evening. thank you forjoining me. is that is it the case can do you know, to broaden it out a bit? can anyone be anything? is that is that what we're is that what we're asking ? asking? >> um , yeah. well, i think it >> um, yeah. well, i think it was malcolm gladwell said that any skill can be learned in 10,000 hours. i'm not completely sure that's the case for absolutely everything. but i think there are certainly there's a lot of evidence that that things like trading can be taught. there is a certain technique and i think trading places, the concept has obviously been very dramatically dramatised, but i think it's not off the scale possible . off the scale possible. >> the idea, though, within the film that, you know, you could pluck somebody from any realm, from absolute obscurity , from from absolute obscurity, from poverty, from any kind of situation, and put them in the right clothes, give them the right clothes, give them the right context and the right

setting , and they can manifest setting, and they can manifest some hitherto hidden ability, you know , is there any is there you know, is there any is there any truth in that beyond the fanciful that anyone and everyone has the potential in the right circumstances to be anything . anything. >> yeah, i don't think anyone and everyone has has the ability to do that. but i think obviously they they assume that this eddie murphy did have some some skills and knowledge . and i some skills and knowledge. and i think, you know, people people do have skills and knowledge and it's a matter of learning anything. anything you do . you anything. anything you do. you know, step one is you learn about how to do it. step two is you practice and step three is you practice and step three is you get better and you can become more proficient. so is there something is there something specific about the skills required by stock trading? >> the stockbroker that we've all seen, the people on the trading floor gesticulating wildly at one another? you know, is there is there something about that ? that is there is about that? that is there is there is it something that's

pretty basic to learn if you're given the opportunity? it seems it seems outlandish to me . it seems outlandish to me. >> it's not basic by any means. of course, there's a lot to learn and things at the end of the day, the four things really that we teach and that we think that we teach and that we think that you should need to know. one is the fundamental analysis and understanding news, politics, interest rates, inflation and what it does to markets. the second one is technical analysis and charts and understanding how how things move and looking for trends and that sort of thing. the most important thing that you need to understand and about yourself important thing that you need to understa and about behaviour is and about your behaviour is psychology and not falling foul to your own emotions because that's what we, you know, hope, fear, greed, revenge, etcetera causes all sorts of trouble in trading and the last thing is risk management, which most people in our survey actually said is the number one thing that need to have to become that you need to have to become a successful of a successful trader. and of course, it's quite true. you've got to manage your risk at all times. >> i know it's i know it's

beyond me. but paddy osborn from the london academy trading, the london academy of trading, thank marking thank you so much for marking the 40th anniversary trading the 40th anniversary of trading places me tonight . well, places with me tonight. well, jasmine, just before we come to , jasmine, just before we come to, we've clip for those for we've got a clip for those for whom trading places is an unknown quantity. here it is . unknown quantity. here it is. happy new year. >> one time for valentine. hey how'd you make out today? >> how could you do this to us after every thing we've done for you ? you? >> oh, see, i made louis a bet here, louis. bet me that we couldn't both get rich and put you in the poor house at the same time. you didn't think we could do it? won. i >> i lost $1. >> i lost $1. >> thank you, louis. >> thank you, louis. >> jasmine, do you remember the movie? and do you buy the hypothesis that anyone could do that? given the circumstance ? that? given the circumstance? >> well, the thing is that, you know , what we haven't talked know, what we haven't talked about is, is traders not being very at it. and know, very good at it. and you know, when comes managing funds,

when it comes to managing funds, fund managers , 85% of them under fund managers, 85% of them under perform the stock market, 80, 80, 85. so, you know, these ones, these funds that are actually managed tend not to be that that really worth bothering with. so what i tend to say to people, particularly when you start off investing, is go for anindex start off investing, is go for an index tracking fund. those are run by computer and they just put a small amount of your money into every single company in a particular index like the ftse 100 or whatever. and it's just done by computer. they're cheap, they're and they cheap, they're easy, and they tend as the day of tend to do better as the day of the trader, portrayed in the trader, as portrayed in trading places gone well , as trading places gone well, as portrayed like, yes, shouting and throwing things around in a trading thing. yes. people tend to be just very quietly in front of their computers like this. so that does mean, of course, that it makes it easier for you or i to be to be day traders. i mean, you know, you can do it. we can do it. but the thing is, to make any money at all, to not lose

you really do need to spend quite a lot of time at it time that i'm personally not willing to, to put into it. so that's why i tend to invest in funds generally. the trackers, i just know it's utterly, utterly beyond me on the trading floor or with a computer or anything else that sadly, because of the constraints of time, is all from me. >> this evening on neil oliver live. thanks as always to my guests tonight and particularly to my brilliant panellist , to my brilliant panellist, jasmine birtles. next up, in the fullness of time, it's the saturday five. >> hello there . welcome to your >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well, looking ahead to sunday, for most of us, we will see further rain. there will be a few brighter moments and for all it will be fairly mild reason for the unsettled weather is this huge area of low pressure which is not going to go far as we go through the second half of the weekend. note the packed isobars the tightly packed isobars down towards south indicate that towards the south indicate that it's pretty it's going to be pretty blustery. we end saturday, blustery. so as we end saturday, going early hours of

going into the early hours of sunday, relatively skies sunday, relatively clear skies across wales. across england and wales. initially have initially further north, we have further areas of rain and they will their way south will sink their way south eastwards we go through the eastwards as we go through the course night . it's eastwards as we go through the course night. it's a mild course of the night. it's a mild one for us. temperatures one for all of us. temperatures staying firmly in positive staying firmly in the positive territory and as i mentioned, it's going to be pretty blustery down towards the southwest. risk of as we go of some gales here as we go through sunday. sunday really is a mixture of showers or longer spells of rain. some of the rain could potentially be fairly heavy at times. best of any brightness probably up across eastern south west and eastern scotland. south west and england may well cheer up, too, as we go into the afternoon. but for most it is a mild one. temperatures shade temperatures may be a shade cooler than have been today cooler than they have been today . onto monday, further rain is in the forecast for much of the uk. maybe think a little bit dner uk. maybe think a little bit drier and brighter coming through for parts of eastern england and here actually winds may a little bit lighter may well be a little bit lighter . further west, it's going to be another blustery day. good news is and wednesday. it is tuesday and wednesday. it does turn little bit drier for does turn a little bit drier for some of us, but feeling

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