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apart , uh, here's your saturday apart, uh, here's your saturday night news with tatiana . night news with tatiana. >> darren. thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom pro palestinian protesters staged a day of national action with demonstrations and marches having taken place right across the country . police say around the country. police say around 250 demonstrators have gathered on whitehall outside the gates to downing street . at least two to downing street. at least two protesters were carried away by police at waterloo station after more pro—palestine demonstrations as people could be heard chanting cease fire now. and from the river to the sea in the middle of the station's concourse , as these station's concourse, as these scenes were captured in north london this afternoon , some london this afternoon, some protesters were seen describing israel as a terror state. police say some of the gatherings appear to be a mix of pro—palestine and just stop oil activists . well, meanwhile , at activists. well, meanwhile, at least four people were arrested

dunng least four people were arrested during a just stop oil protest earlier today. activists marched from the shell headquarters in opposition to the approval of more than 100 new oil and gas projects . the group says projects. the group says peaceful protesters are being locked up while those who it describes as climate criminals are protected . two people have are protected. two people have been airlifted to hospital after a dog attack in the north of wales. officers were called to an address in the zara aleena area yesterday morning. one dog has been destroyed, another 37 dogs and cats were seized by authorities. more on this story as we get it . the israeli as we get it. the israeli military is warning thousands of people to leave the south of gaza as it tightens its focus on hamas. terrorists there warned was issued weeks ago. saw scores of people move from the north of gaza amid the escalating conflict . leaflets have been conflict. leaflets have been dropped by the idf near the khan younis area, telling people to move again. this time towards the west . major advertisers are the west. major advertisers are pulling their business from formerly known as twitter. amid

a row over alleged anti—semitism . um, it comes after the site's owner , elon musk, appeared to owner, elon musk, appeared to endorse a post that falsely claimed members of the jewish community were stoking hatred against white people. the white house called it an abhorrent promotion of anti—semitic and racist hate. disney warner brothers and us network nbc are among those who have paused their advertising . the their advertising. the chancellor says there's a pathway to lower taxes ahead of next week's autumn statement, arguing the economy has turned a corner . jeremy hunt says this is corner. jeremy hunt says this is the moment to focus, focus on growth after inflation halved over the past year. it's understood he's considering cutting rates on inheritance and business taxes in what could be one of the last fiscal announcements before the next election , obr numbers and election, obr numbers and forecasts will be published on wednesday at the autumn statement . statement. >> but there is no easy route to reducing the tax burden the way we do it is by spending

taxpayers money more wisely and that means having more productive public services . productive public services. >> as you're with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's get back to this . news now let's get back to this. saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're for in a very lively two hours. let's crack on with tonight's first debate. >> yes, darren's got a completely uncontroversial topic to be discussing. it's time for grime time now , i want to put it grime time now, i want to put it to you straight . to you straight. >> the united kingdom is in a sticky wicket than israel. yeah, israel's up against it, what with hamas west bank upheavals and hezbollah in the north, over 1400 israelis, of course, paid the ultimate price in a terrorist massacre. and hostages

, who knows where they are by now. but israel stands firm like a dog that's got its teeth into something tasty . the protecting something tasty. the protecting their patch . the world's only their patch. the world's only jewish state. it's a show of unity that should make us in good old blighty a tad envious, if we're being honest with ourselves. because right now the uk's version of unity don't look all that great if you ask me . all that great if you ask me. it's about as real as a £3 note. our unity is like expecting a group hug at a newcastle sunderland derby. fat chance of that. sunderland derby. fat chance of that . we might not have rockets that. we might not have rockets raining down, but our streets are now battlegrounds of ideology . maybe you've got kids ideology. maybe you've got kids bunking off school to wave placards about palestine , placards about palestine, intifada and jihad being called for on the streets of london. and then there's the circus at westminster with labour mps getting the jitters over a ceasefire with hamas and even face an intimidate ation outside

of their offices for not voting for one. last i checked, hamas wasn't lobbing rockets over the white cliffs of dover. and what about the foreign flags draping over our war memorials? these demonstrators clambering over monuments to wave their banners , monuments to wave their banners, spitting in the face of those who secured the very freedom that lets them carry on like ungrateful brats. it's not about the stone . it's about the the stone. it's about the principles . the stone. it's about the principles. it stands for the stone. it's about the principles . it stands for the principles. it stands for the stone , of course, being one stone, of course, being one thing that one of the protesters shouted at the police, why are you defending that stone over children? she said , well, as children? she said, well, as they trampled over, said stone underfoot , i want to say, what underfoot, i want to say, what about those boys that died so that you might be free to do such a thing? our immigration policy is about tight as policy is about as tight as a sieve. nations are queuing up to bail from the european convention on human rights like it's a sink and ship. we must

join them on the border. control lifeboats . what we've built in lifeboats. what we've built in the west is a marvel. but now . the west is a marvel. but now. now it's in peril. it's not just the loonies doing the damage. it's our own head in the sand attitude . so i say it's time for attitude. so i say it's time for attitude. so i say it's time for a wake up call. britain, a strong cover ain't going to fix it. this time. strong cover ain't going to fix it. this time . well, benjamin it. this time. well, benjamin butterworth, since it's the people that you vote for , it's people that you vote for, it's their fault that we're in this mess. so how do you propose we go about it? >> first of all, i have no idea why you think i disagree, because i've not disagreed in any week. the idea that it's any week. but the idea that it's labour party responsible also labour party responsible is also complete nonsense because keir starmer condemned starmer has explicitly condemned these people. he's condemned this attitude and not his this attitude and it's not his view. he's been steadfast that in a repugnant in fact i saw a repugnant protest, if you can even call it that , outside protest, if you can even call it that, outside his protest, if you can even call it that , outside his constituency that, outside his constituency office today in which they were attacking his wife and who attacking his wife and kids who are practising jews . and i think are practising jews. and i think that shows that there is no lows these will go to. but these people will go to. but look, want to look, if they want to strategically the labour strategically affect the labour

party's i think party's decision making, i think criticising his and kids criticising his wife and kids who have aside from the party conference speech, his wife has never public appearance . never done a public appearance. she's not public life at all she's not in public life at all and desire to be. that is and has no desire to be. that is not route affecting labour not a route to affecting labour party policy. >> mean, be we've even >> i mean, i'll be we've even seen it with the conservative benches as well because suella braverman know you're not braverman and i know you're not her fan, certainly not her biggest fan, certainly not in awards you know, but in any awards from you know, but she rhetoric she was i saw some rhetoric which was basically suggesting that suella braverman was only pro—israel because she's got a jewish husband that sort of thing is just grotesque. it is grotesque. >> but also, darren, i think to use the hyperbole of israel's terrorist attack , to compare terrorist attack, to compare that to the problems we're facing in the united kingdom is disgraceful as well. >> i don't think how can you compare the mess that we all agree the united kingdom is in? >> because of decades of mismanagement from labour mismanagement from both labour and governments to and conservative governments to people literally being killed in the thousands . people literally being killed in the thousands. in a small country like israel, people who are still under hostage now are.

but you can't just make these flippant comparisons. i understand you're trying to make a broader point, but some israelis might find that quite offensive, actually. >> well, they but i had >> well, they may do, but i had one israeli. >> would okay with in >> would you be okay with in insulting israelis in that way? >> i mean, are you really being serious, asking i'm all serious, asking me if i'm all right offending? right with offending? >> well, you're the one that just the in the uk just compared the mess in the uk to terrorist attack in israel. to a terrorist attack in israel. >> think i'm going to >> now, you think i'm going to get down and cry over there offending somebody if someone finds offensive ? think finds that offensive? i think it's a really point it's a really important point that made. i had one that needs to be made. i had one israeli on show earlier israeli on the show earlier today , and they were saying that today, and they were saying that actually what we are what israel are up against is a warning to places like britain , because places like britain, because what we're seeing play out on the streets, this could lead to the streets, this could lead to the kind of horrible scenes that were seen in israel . and i think were seen in israel. and i think that warning is one that needs to be heard loud and clear. but, belinda, do you agree ? belinda, do you agree? >> i think anti—semitism and just jewish hatred has been

simmering in this country for years. and the conservative government have done very little to address it. and now it's bubbling, bubbling over. back in 2020, you had the convoy of cars with the palestinian flags going up and down jewish streets shouting that they were going to sexually assault jewish mothers, jewish daughters. nothing happened to those men, nothing . happened to those men, nothing. so what we're seeing is the result years complacency , result of years of complacency, years of soft touch approach , years of soft touch approach, because let's be honest, many of us think that our authorities and our government have had a soft touch approach to radical islamism this country and soft touch approach to radical islan allowed 1is country and soft touch approach to radical islan allowed the :ountry and soft touch approach to radical islanallowed the hardy and soft touch approach to radical islanallowed the hard left|d soft touch approach to radical islan allowed the hard left to have allowed the hard left to infiltrate our and infiltrate our schools and universities. sanitising universities. we sanitising drip, anti—semitism, sort drip, drip anti—semitism, sort of ideologies. i've seen i'm a mother . i've got mothers in mother. i've got mothers in schools. it is a left wing bias thatis schools. it is a left wing bias that is almost making it acceptable racism. now to blame the jews for everything and the conservative haven't taken it seriously enough. but it's both the labour and conservatives to blame for this greed for cheap laboun blame for this greed for cheap labour, unconditional . wherever labour, unconditional. wherever you're from, whatever you think, whatever your ideology come

because we want to make money. they should more they should have been more careful. and if hateful ideologies were going to root in this country, they should have stamped it out straight. decades ago. them to ago. instead of allowing them to bubble to the surface, bubble over to the surface, which is what we're seeing now. >> you optimistic >> alex, are you optimistic about britain's future? >> think know the answer . >> i think you know the answer. i mean, i'm always i mean, look, i'm always optimistic about britain. i believe we can always come back from terrible, terrible times like we saw in the wars that we just remembered over the weekend. and to go to the point that you're both making here, because there's some because i think there's some valid both you valid points on both sides, you know, free speech know, i'm a free speech absolutist. do believe people absolutist. i do believe people should free no should have free speech no matter is. there matter what the cost is. there is limit to free speech. is a limit to free speech. i think douglas murray put this perfectly. he he said there is a limit to what a culture should tolerate, society tolerate, what a society should tolerate. free tolerate. that is where free speech should the boundary. speech should hit the boundary. i protesting weekend i think protesting on a weekend just a free just said you were a free speech. hang on, hang on, hang hang on. on, hang on. >> yes, yes. »- >> yes, yes. >> enough. fair enough. >> yes, yes. >> take enough. fair enough. >> yes, yes. >> take i'lngh. fair enough. >> yes, yes. >> take i'll take fair enough. >> yes, yes. >> take i'll take thatenough. >> yes, yes. >> take i'll take that point.. i'll take i'll take that point. i'm a free speech absolutist. the definition speech. the definition of speech. maybe

i to learn the definition i need to learn the definition of absolutist. however, my point really that there's time really is that there's a time and do protesting and and place to do protesting and to impactful. what's to make it impactful. what's happened over the last weekend, the just the last weekend that just passed there was passed is that there was a protest organised on a significant cultural significant day of cultural remembrance for this country, not only that as well, the wars that we remember were a massive slaughtering of jewish people in in masses . so slaughtering of jewish people in in masses. soto do it on a in the masses. so to do it on a day that's not only touchy for british people, but touchy for jewish is really in jewish communities is really in bad now, you want to bad taste. now, if you want to win over to cause , win people over to your cause, you first of all have to learn to respect the environment, the country and society that you're in. remember you are in. and remember that you are that only win hearts and that you can only win hearts and minds if you actually try to win them and not just scream and shout at them through intimidation, through intimidation. >> and it's happening. >> and it's happening. >> well, let >> and it's happening. >> ask well, let >> and it's happening. >> ask a well, let >> and it's happening. >> ask a question well, let >> and it's happening. >> ask a question \each let >> and it's happening. >> ask a question \each of you me ask a question to each of you then, because we've only got about this. about 30s left of this. >> do think actually we need >> do you think actually we need to reform our immigration system to reform our immigration system to take this into account? yeah, i do. >> but i also think we need integration policies the integration policies for the

people here they people who arrive here so they know british values and they take for take responsibility for integrating, want integrating, because i do want national do national unity. and i do think it's possible. i'm optimistic as well. if the conservatives get integration right, which they failed on, i think in many ways there's been no national integration policy in this country all. country at all. >> i spoke about it on this >> and i spoke about it on this show i think show a few weeks ago. i think it's a disgrace. the government needs take a active role needs to take a more active role in sure our communities in making sure our communities get on better, and not good get on better, and it's not good enough moment. enough at the moment. >> are lots of >> look, there are lots of muslims don't act like this muslims who don't act like this and think like this. but and don't think like this. but i think what's been exposed in the last of weeks is that last couple of weeks is that there very real problem there is a very real problem with anti—semitism among sections of the muslim community. there also community. there are also profoundly on a scale profoundly homophobic on a scale that has. and that no other community has. and i fail ourselves as a i think we fail ourselves as a country when we pretend , and country when we pretend, and that prejudices don't that those prejudices don't exist because they're more uncomfortable to acknowledge than others. >> alex, i've said time and time again that i the jewish again that i think the jewish community shining example community is a shining example of this country. of assimilation in this country. integration integration and assimilation actually , assimilation both actually, british have come over to

british jews have come over to this including of this country, including some of my actually , and my ancestors actually, and become they love this become brits. they love this country they are british country first. they are british first. being said, i also first. that being said, i also have a family member who my stepfather came from here, from iran more than proud stepfather came from here, from ira be more than proud stepfather came from here, from irabe british. more than proud stepfather came from here, from irabe british. heore than proud stepfather came from here, from irabe british. he has:han proud stepfather came from here, from irabe british. he has integrated to be british. he has integrated in society. he is never once forced me or any of my little brothers are half iranian brothers who are half iranian to ever like an iranian ever think like an iranian person. he wants them to be british. >> it's less about religion. it's more about political ideology, though that's also people that left tend to people that left iran tend to hate iran. people that left iran tend to hat no. in. >> no. >> no. >> very true. very good point. now folks, up it's albee now folks, up next, it's albee and albee's going to talk about now folks, up next, it's albee and unwise; going to talk about now folks, up next, it's albee and unwise use ng to talk about now folks, up next, it's albee and unwise use of to talk about now folks, up next, it's albee and unwise use of to tterm bout the unwise use of the term coconuts to describe non—white conservative lives. >> off you go, albee . >> off you go, albee. >> off you go, albee. >> it's all the left wingers who describe people like me. kemi badenoch suella, braverman, priti patel and kwasi kwarteng as coconuts uncle toms and i have only one thing to say to you . you're a bunch of racist you. you're a bunch of racist hypocrites. now being called things and racial slurs that would suggest that i am white on

the inside and black on the outside is nothing new to me. it's something which has been happening to me since i could speak. i'm very used of it, used to it . but one i speak. i'm very used of it, used to it. but one i cannot to it. but one thing i cannot stand are performative stand are perform ative anti —racist, stand are performative anti—racist, like the woman who at the pro—palestine march on armistice day last week was pictured holding an openly racist sign calling suella braverman and rishi sunak coconuts because they are pro—israel. it is an absolute disgrace . what does someone's disgrace. what does someone's stance on israel have to do with their ethnic background ? now, their ethnic background? now, i have had enough of this kind of thing . if we look at how thing. if we look at how different groups of people behave , why is it that if you behave, why is it that if you are white or you can believe in what you want to believe in, you can behave however you want to behave. but if you're black or asian, you can only believe in certain things have certain certain things and have certain political view. it is political points of view. it is absolutely highly racist to think that manners, politeness and profession ism are only for

white people , and black people white people, and black people like me can do it too. and as a person born of mixed racial heritage, i find it really alarming that whiteness is told as a story to ethnic minorities, as a story to ethnic minorities, as something that they must rail against, fight against that it is an evil that we cannot have in our lives. now, i find that not just racist, but an insult to my family, who i love dearly . to my family, who i love dearly. but it doesn't just stop at political activists. it's also perpetuated by elected politicians, elected by you , the politicians, elected by you, the great british public. these people perpetuate this nonsense . people perpetuate this nonsense. people like rupa haque, who called then—chancellor, kwasi kwarteng superficially black because he didn't believe in high taxes and socialism. ray racism is a cancer that we've got to cut out of society. but in my opinion, there is not enough scrutiny on left wing racists who call people like me non—white conservatives,

coconuts uncle toms or and it's time to give them that scrutiny . time to give them that scrutiny. benjamin butterworth , i'm going benjamin butterworth, i'm going to come to you because you're a token lefty on the panel this week. it is alarming. i think the level of racism that i get from people on the left who think it's acceptable to call me a coconut or a or an uncle tom on twitter. is there any for defence what they're doing? >> no . >> no. >> no. >> so why do they do it? well i'm slightly offended that you think i'm going to defend racism. >> i've never known a left wing person, a labour person that's in my social circle that's ever said something like that. but clearly there are pretty nasty people on the internet that do say things like that. >> but why is something which >> but why is it something which is do you is so prolific, nick, do you think? armstrong you know, think? alex armstrong you know, labour like saying this labour mps like saying this openly an event at labour openly at an event at labour party conference that kwasi kwarteng superficially. black yeah, that's a problem, isn't it? >> it's completely nuts and it's being perpetuated by the left, the so—called be kind left who

are being very, very selective about what racial slurs are acceptable all and which ones aren't. i mean , it's just aren't. i mean, it'sjust profound. i mean, you've seen it online. we've been we've been engaging this as well, albie, engaging on this as well, albie, that use term coconut that people use the term coconut , then , for example, and then attribute it to white supremacy. so rather than taking it for what it actually means on face value, we you've just value, which we you've just spoken about, they're trying to twist it's only twist it and say it's only actually offensive in the terms when it's against white when it's used against white supremacists. when it's used against white suprem say ts. when it's used against white suprem say if. when it's used against white suprem say if anyone was just to say if anyone was offended by use of language offended by the use of language and topic being discussed, and the topic being discussed, we do apologise and realise that actually it is a very sensitive discussion. >> but what i would say is alfie , is that i don't think that that you're white inside, but i think you're posh inside. and is that what they're trying to say? that they just assume that all white people are? jacob rees—mogg or something? you see. >> is that what they're getting? >> is that what they're getting? >> is that what they're getting? >> i don't know what they're getting at. and look, i do have a posh voice. i will obviously thatis a posh voice. i will obviously that is evident to everyone in the studio everyone watching

the studio and everyone watching at well. but don't at home as well. but i don't come from posh background. come from a posh background. i grew in council house, so i grew up in a council house, so i don't we can just make don't think we can just make assumptions people's assumptions about people's backgrounds how backgrounds and based on how they based on their they speak or based on their skin colour. and that is the point that i am making. so i think it's just to assume think it's just wrong to assume things characteristics think it's just wrong to assume things can't characteristics think it's just wrong to assume things can't change. cteristics think it's just wrong to assume things can't change. belinda; that we can't change. belinda but do you think it is that but why do you think it is that on the left there seems to be this idea of what a black person or an asian person should be, but on the right we don't have that, and yet we're the racists. >> i know it's almost like the right don't see colour and colour is everything to the left. they define everyone by their colour, their race, their sex, anything but their character. it's against martin luther king. it's literally everything opposite to what he said when you said can't said when you said you can't fight with hate, only fight hatred with hate, only love and the history area from the left over microaggressions . the left over microaggressions. >> and you would be told that for saying things like maybe you don't believe in third wave feminism. um, you would be told you're not you're not an ally of women, right? you're not a real

woman or something like that. i get told a real gay. i'm get told i'm not a real gay. i'm not if you don't adhere to not ugly if you don't adhere to a prison of ideology, you're somehow not properly black. >> you don't question to be. >> you don't question to be. >> do you think actually, it's identity it's seeing identity politics. it's seeing things through the prism of identity or is it isolated to race? what is it? >> it's not isolated to race. there is certainly this idea that if you are from a minority background, you've got to have left wing opinions. otherwise you're some sort of traitor. you get it on twitter, self—hating gay man . i get get it on twitter, self—hating gay man. i get it on get it on twitter, self—hating gay man . i get it on twitter. gay man. i get it on twitter. being the vice chair of the lgbt conservatives and the founder of conservatives and the founder of conservatives against racism that apparently some racist that i'm apparently some racist homophobe. i think there's homophobe. i don't think there's anyone much anyone really that's done much more the conservative party more in the conservative party to fight against homophobia and racism recent years than racism in recent years than i had.soi racism in recent years than i had. so i find that charge quite interesting. but benjamin , where interesting. but benjamin, where do go from here? how is it do we go from here? how is it that we get the left and the right singing from the same hymn sheet it comes to issues sheet when it comes to issues like racism? so we're not getting at each other , calling

getting at each other, calling each these horrible racial slurs? >> i look, in real life, >> i mean, look, in real life, i've never heard someone talk like that. >> you've heard rupert talk about you have seen about it. you must have seen that footage. about it. you must have seen tha i've tage. about it. you must have seen tha i've seen i've seen what rupa >> i've seen i've seen what rupa huq said, don't she huq said, but i don't think she was taxes was referring to taxes necessarily. i think she was saying that his background doesn't which saying that his background doesrblack which saying that his background doesrblack people which saying that his background doesrblack people have/hich saying that his background doesrblack people have grown up most black people have grown up in, is the point that in, which is the point that darren was getting at, that his socioeconomic experience of life. went to eton. life. i think he went to eton. if not mistaken, very if i'm not mistaken, is very different vast majority different to the vast majority of people. so does he of black people. so does he understand their experience of life? probably life? well, no, he probably doesn't. much the same way doesn't. in much the same way that rees—mogg that jacob rees—mogg doesn't understand. the understand. i think that's the point. at, and point. they're getting at, and that's reasonable. that's quite reasonable. >> excusing >> i think that's excusing a slur for political gain . i mean, slur for political gain. i mean, i think one of the things that we were just talking about a minute ago is like it seems to be only the right that are called out for being racist when they use a slur or something similar to a slur. but when the left use it, they sort of own it and they go, well, actually that's not a slur. >> let's be very clear. there has been some horrendous racism

on the right the past. we on the right in the past. we don't the record on don't have the best record on race the 20th race relations in the 20th century. it's important to race relations in the 20th centthat. it's important to race relations in the 20th centthat. butit's important to race relations in the 20th centthat. but thingsiortant to race relations in the 20th centthat. but things havet to race relations in the 20th centthat. but things have hugely say that. but things have hugely improved. and i think the same scrutiny the left on scrutiny that the left put on right the 20th right wingers in the 20th century needs to be put on the left in the 21st century. >> okey doke. once again, >> okey doke. right. once again, apologies for the strong language used at start of language used at the start of the discussion. we need the last discussion. we need to use but many use the terms used, but many apologies any offence was apologies if any offence was given. to come given. now, still to come tonight, going to tonight, benjamin is going to tell what he thinks of david tell us what he thinks of david cameron's return to the cabinet. and what? i'm and do you know what? i'm probably to agree probably going to agree with every word. and alex will assess the verdict out the supreme court's verdict out of government's plan. of the government's rwanda plan. but next, youngsters but coming up next, youngsters in america have been on tiktok this week expressing their support rogue , support for that lovable rogue, osama bin laden. no i ain't making it up. belinda de lucy will deliver her verdict. you're with the saturday five live on gb news .

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>> welcome back to a very lively saturday five, as always , cheers saturday five, as always, cheers very much for your emails about tonight's topics. >> gillian has written in and she says, darren, you are so right. gillian, your five is in the post. i am terrified for my grandchildren's future. yet every fine day brings more people to our shores. we are under threat, john says. this is not a laughing stock. this is a national security risk . there national security risk. there was disrespect for armistice day in this country and kids are being taken out of school . and being taken out of school. and stephen says, i agree with everything alby has said tonight about the coconut term. well said. now it's time for our next debate up next, it's belinda. beunda debate up next, it's belinda. belinda what have you got for us tonight? >> well , tonight? >> well, osama bin laden is trending on tiktok. >> and no, not because the woke students in america who have been batting for hamas recently have seen the error of their ways, nor because they want to educate themselves on this islamist death cult and the

suffering around the world. it causes. suffering around the world. it causes . no, sadly, it's the causes. no, sadly, it's the opposite. bin laden has been trending because mostly college aged women are circulating bin laden's letter to america that justifies his 9/11 attacks and agreeing with him with young women saying he had a point, that his letter was well written and everything. he said was valid. tick tock generations are going mad. these women wouldn't last a day in bin laden's world, locked up without a chaperone and denied an education and treated like cattle. but apparently as long as radical islamists hate the west , they islamists hate the west, they are happy to get into bed with them. and tick tock seemed happy to circulate this islamist anti—jewish manifesto long anti —jewish manifesto long enough anti—jewish manifesto long enough get millions of views. enough to get millions of views. tick brainwashing our tick tock is brainwashing our children, spreading deeply harmful and contested ideologies to millions of easily manipulated young minds. the latest fashion is hating israel and wow has generation tick tock embraced that? why else do we see teens tearing down photos of kidnapped children and marching side by side with these radicals

on protest, thinking they are righteous ? s from whipping up righteous? s from whipping up pro—hamas sentiment to self harm? eating disorders , harm? eating disorders, encouraging the young to believe they're wrong body. they're born in the wrong body. this addictive , life this highly addictive, life sucking is creating sucking platform is creating a hostile climate for the well—being of our children and should be banned . now. i will should be banned. now. i will ask alex you free speech solutionist do you think? >> not so much, apparently not so much. >> benjamin is correct. >> benjamin is correct. >> so i stand corrected. >> so i stand corrected. >> not so much. do you think tiktok should be banned? >> no, i don't. and listen, while you've made some fantastic points, that points, belinda, and many that i don't disagree with, what will don't disagree with, what i will say this young people are say is this young people are very led very simple very easily led by very simple messages, it's very easy for messages, and it's very easy for the pro—palestine pro—hamas people to say israel is slaughtering millions of children. they're under , you children. they're under, you know, this this horrible regime where they're suppressed, etcetera, etcetera. and it's much for the state of much harder for the state of israel argue that back. now, israel to argue that back. now, should we ban something because a small , should we ban something because a small, radical group very a small, radical group of very vocal people are putting out

insufferable ideology online? absolutely not. what needs to happenis absolutely not. what needs to happen is the vocal majority of people who find this absolutely disgraceful need to use these platforms more often and actually get their out actually get their voice out there. because once we do that, we'll having this counter we'll start having this counter to tyranny of the to this terrible tyranny of the minority. so i no, i really don't think we should ban something for the sake of appeasing those people because they'll find the next platform. and do? banned and then what do we do? banned twitter, banned facebook? and then what do we do? banned twi no, banned facebook? and then what do we do? banned twi no, but ned facebook? and then what do we do? banned twi no, but wei facebook? and then what do we do? banned twi no, but we can ebook? and then what do we do? banned twi no, but we can bank? and then what do we do? banned twi no, but we can ban smartphone >> no, but we can ban smartphone for under 18. oh, for goodness sake. belinda sake. i think the belinda doesn't enough. i think doesn't go far enough. i think i honestly that the biggest honestly feel that the biggest threat to our children at the moment smartphones and moment are smartphones and i find it absolutely shocking . if find it absolutely shocking. if i go out for dinner and i see a family around a table at dinner and they're all on their phones, i just think what is it like at home? you see and home? you see parents and children down road . children walking down the road. the mum's on her smartphone or the dads on their smartphone and the dads on their smartphone and the are on their the children are on their smartphones not interacting. smartphones and not interacting. and that it's and we see the impact that it's having children's mental having on children's mental health having health and it's having a particular on the health particular impact on the health

of women. of young women. >> olivia that's really wishful, but send our country but it will send our country back to the dark ages of children playing outside and having a childhood. >> oh, no , no. >> oh, no, no, no. >> but you're absolutely right. but we will lose any but but we will lose any competitive advantage if you start teaching children at 18 how to use a smartphone. we will be eradicated from be completely eradicated from the from the world stage. china is teaching their kids and they have a much better policy on this. they have they feed their social media platform with educational things. so there's social media platform with educa betterthings. so there's social media platform with educa better way|s. so there's social media platform with educa better way to so there's social media platform with educa better way to so thisz's social media platform with educa better way to so this on a much better way to do this on a you're just making the case for beunda you're just making the case for belinda tiktok. no, but belinda to ban tiktok. no, but it's banned in china. it's not banned in china. >> because you're saying that the are gaming this. the chinese are gaming this. >> are. they >> they absolutely are. they created it. >> they have their own app. they have same app. it's have it's not the same app. it's not the same app. they use the social media platforms to actually. >> so let's ban the poisonous app >> so let's ban the poisonous app that they've created to poison the west. >> why don't we just fill >> well, why don't we just fill it and put legislation in it with content that's actually going educate young children? going to educate young children? well, more . well, listen, well, what's more. well, listen,

what's more pie in the sky banning smartphones for everyone under 18 or actually transforming social media to make acceptable place for make it an acceptable place for young people. >> what is less pie in the sky would be to ban tiktok, think. >> listen. >> listen. >> yeah, sorry, benjamin, what do you think? >> yeah, sorry, benjamin, what do you tithis? >> yeah, sorry, benjamin, what do you tithis week nepal banned >> only this week nepal banned tiktok it's possible tiktok so clearly it's possible for to do that. for a government to do that. i think in reality, it's not something that's going to happen. and would be very happen. and i would be very reluctant be a country reluctant to be in a country thatis reluctant to be in a country that is so fearful of the modern world starts banning world that it starts banning things like tiktok, like twitter, instagram. if you twitter, like instagram. if you really that route, really went down that route, i don't know where you stop. don't know where you would stop. >> we banned synthetic drugs. >> we banned progression in other areas harmful to other areas that are harmful to our children. it's literally harming mental wellbeing of harming the mental wellbeing of our. four teenagers. our. i've got four teenagers. it's addictive the dopamine our. i've got four teenagers. it's ryou:tive the dopamine our. i've got four teenagers. it's you get the dopamine our. i've got four teenagers. it's you get the 1e dopamine our. i've got four teenagers. it's you get the kicks)amine our. i've got four teenagers. it's you get the kicks off.ine our. i've got four teenagers. it's you get the kicks off. the that you get the kicks off. the tiktok especially manipulates the mind. this is not a harmless platform where you can have free speech it's all lovely. just speech and it's all lovely. just get balanced out get more balanced ideas out there. it's a drug and our children addicted. they will children are addicted. they will rule over us one day and we will regret them have, have regret letting them have, i have to letting them have to say, regret letting them have all social media and

smartphones. >> are million views of >> there are 32 million views of me on tiktok and none of them on an account i own and none of them very nice about him. >> not nice. >> no, not very nice. >> no, not very nice. >> but look, the reason i don't have an account is because when i looked it once or twice, i i looked at it once or twice, i was horrified by how addictive it was another scale. it was. it was on another scale. but, yesterday i was but, you know, yesterday i was speaking the university speaking at the university of exeter, everyone exeter, so everyone there, i suspect, was born this millennium, right. they're millennium, right. if they're a university have university student and i have to say, idea they all say, the idea that they all loved laden or bought into loved bin laden or bought into any tiktok not true at any tiktok craze was not true at all. i was really amazed by how bright and the diversity of thought. and so i wouldn't be so cynical younger generation. >> okay. generation. >> still okay. generation. >> still ahead, folks, alex armstrong has plenty to say about where this week's supreme court the court ruling leaves the government's but government's rwanda plan. but next, of talk and next, after years of talk and nonsense with his complete nonsense ended with his complete rejection the public. we rejection by the public. we thought we'd heard the last of him, but i'm afraid he's back in pubuc him, but i'm afraid he's back in public to plague us once public life to plague us once more. it's butterworth more. it's benjamin butterworth will be talking about david cameron. you with the saturday five live on .

to gb news radio. >> oh, welcome back to the saturday five. now the emails are flying in. christiane has written in and christiane says in credibly important monologue from albie, society in general has a blind spot in not condemning racism against those with perfectly acceptable views. it's not okay. and i thank albie for bringing it for bringing attention to it . very well said. attention to it. very well said. now it's time for our next debate, though . up next, it's debate, though. up next, it's benjamin and what's been riling you up this week? benjamin >> well, this week the news was full of stories about the return of gonorrhoea. now, you'd think that was about the worst comeback possible, but no , david comeback possible, but no, david cameron is back to yes , that's cameron is back to yes, that's right. the tories are going through leaders so fast that they've had to go back to the beginning. rishi sunak has appointed cameron as appointed david cameron as

foreign secretary. now i think that'll amaze a lot of people. suella braverman didn't seem too happy about it and maybe the reason he went for this has been was just to distract from the row that she's seen. but what are david cameron's foreign policy credentials? well, this is a bloke who's last decision in office as prime minister was to instigate the brexit referendum. now as far as i'm concerned, that was the biggest, best foreign policy failure that any prime minister has committed in modern times. and then when he didn't get the result he want, he famously whistled off into the doors of downing street and disappeared into the abyss. well, now we have lord cameron of greensill. yes, he's back . of greensill. yes, he's back. and his other decision was on china. now, he went as prime minister cosied up to the eastern nation and even arranged a state visit for xi jinping when the queen had a banquet for the chinese dictator . yes, the chinese dictator. yes, i agree with biden. he's a dictator . agree with biden. he's a dictator. for agree with biden. he's a dictator . for there agree with biden. he's a dictator. for there was one man that refused to attend that's

also now in power. yep king charles iii, made a rather controversial decision to not turn up to the state banquet. i think history is remembering the king charles rather better than david cameron. but also imagine being a tory mp, right now. there's what, 350 odd of them and rishi sunak thinks they're so bad that not one of them is capable of being the foreign secretary. that's a pretty bad sign about the state of tory mps. so maybe in a way i agree with rishi sunak. none of them are good enough to hold the great offices of state, so why don't we fling the whole lot of them out now? i'll be your defend anything the tories do . defend anything the tories do. do you defend this? >> yes . i do you defend this? >> yes. i think it's brilliant that david inaya , i should say that david inaya, i should say not david lord cameron of chipping norton in the county of oxfordshire in frontline oxfordshire is back in frontline because the labour council i think now as well. >> well is that is not the point. >> this is a man who had incredibly good relationships on the international stage. whether or not it was with european leaders, whether it was

leaders, whether or not it was with american leaders or whether or it was with chinese or not it was with chinese leaders we look leaders who we now look down upon. the idea that he can upon. but the idea that he can actually have these broad relationships with people across the world is an absolutely good thing. and he's going to bring and he is going to bring a sense of professionalism and a sense of professionalism and a sense of statesmanship to that role as we enter the last year before a general election. i just thank god he's back. >> if he finds out these meetings don't come with £1 million a year fee that he was getting for cosy meetings with china last couple of china in the last couple of years. and belinda, you approach this from right. i know this from the right. i know you're concerned about you're quite concerned about countries china. do you countries like china. do you think that that this is a mistake , that what he's done mistake, that what he's done previously in office might affect his decision making at the moment? >> oh, i despair for the >> oh, i just despair for the conservative party if think conservative party if they think david i'm david cameron's a solution. i'm not question they've not sure what question they've been as you know, been asking because as you know, the country's greatest centrist, centrist dad comeback centrist dad makes a comeback for what all he's going to be doing swanning around doing is swanning around the international stage off brexit deplorables. i'm so sorry about what's this?

deplorables. i'm so sorry about thwhat'si? deplorables. i'm so sorry about thwhat's this? what's this >> what's this? what's this thing about centrist? thing about a centrist? >> absolutely right. under cameron, taxes went down. he reduced the size of the state. immigration was lower than it is now. every post brexit prime minister has been less conservative than david cameron. >> know full well that the >> you know full well that the type site. david cameron wants the international stage applause far more than they care for the national applause. they're swanning macron and swanning about with macron and biden g7 that is the biden, the g7 davos that is the boy band that is going on with hunt , rishi boy band that is going on with hunt, rishi and cameron at the moment. i'm sorry, but i just i like him. he's a sweet man. i met him on a train once when i had my four kids, and he came over and he said, oh, your kids are so well behaved. and i had bags sugar under the table bags of sugar under the table going, yeah, a good mom. going, yeah, such a good mom. >> he was very, very sweet. >> he was very, very sweet. >> so not that he isn't a >> so it's not that he isn't a sweet man, but i think the conservatives destined for conservatives are destined for absolute conservatives are destined for absolucourse, days it >> of course, these days it would tiktok, tiktok would be tiktok, tiktok >> you're sort of >> darren, you're sort of political rise to fame or infamy i >>i -- >> i was in >>iwasina >> i was in a kind of counterculture movement from that. cameron blair consensus,

wasn't it? in that brexit movement, do you have to thank him for the fact that brexit happened? >> oh well, i do actually. yes, i guess so. >> but it was only because his feet were held to the fire and he was so bloody arrogant that he was so bloody arrogant that he didn't think we plebs would dare vote against his wishes. that's it's. it's the elitist contempt that i can't stand with david cameron and those politicians like him . i just politicians like him. i just think that this is the worst comeback since they did that remake be quite remake of dallas, to be quite honest. and well, less glamorous because ultimately i don't even think that that pig that he allegedly went with back in the day will be voting for the conservative party come the general election with him. so there we are. >> he did. he was really good, though, because he was one of the only not with the pig. i haven't watched it, but he was. there's not a video. >> no, no. my god, he's on tiktok. >> he ignored a strasbourg ruling over the prisoner votes. he stood up to the eu over that and we got all this pressure. strasbourg ruled. give

strasbourg ruled. we had to give our prisoners votes. he our prisoners the votes. he said, no way, jose. that's the i just defend him on one just want to defend him on one thing. and if he can show that kind of, you spine over kind of, you know, spine over echr , then then maybe. i mean, echr, then then maybe. i mean, i'm you. >> do you doubt, though? do you doubt he's not going to be doubt that he's not going to be looking through the looking at this through the prism well , the prism of, well, the conservatives going be conservatives are going to be out power a years time. so out of power in a years time. so let's line up my business. let's line up all my business. >> exactly what think. >> that's exactly what i think. i worry that. can i just i worry about that. can i just say talk about say we talk about david cameron's track on cameron's track record on foreign policy. cameron's track record on foreign |is.icy. cameron's track record on foreign |is the guy that said >> this is the guy that said rather than brexit, i'm going to go and negotiate a much better deal britain back deal for britain and came back with sod all frankly. with absolutely sod all frankly. so i don't know what his track record other than other record is the other than other than the conservatives back to power after 13 years. >> we're talking about his experience as a foreign secretary. >> i'll be i'll be naomi one foreign secretary respectful made me one successful foreign policy that david cameron pushed through whilst he was in power. give me one. >> david cameron there's not one, there? one, is there? >> there? >> nothing there? >> nothing there? >> can't tell me can't. >> you can't tell me you can't. >>— >> you can't tell me you can't. >> with on the

>> with leaders on the international stage. >> rubbish. he organised one of the states the best g7 meetings of states in the that have ever seen in in the that we have ever seen in history. it was time david cameron it's a good thing that he's back and thank god that he is. >> i'll just very quickly say that voter, given that as a labour voter, given that as a labour voter, given that tories fell to 19% that the tories fell to 19% after the appointment, maybe i'm cheering it all the way to number 11 whatever. it will number 11 or whatever. it will have a meeting about it. >> it's very hard to do now. still ahead tonight, don't forget get your questions in still ahead tonight, don't forgflummox your questions in still ahead tonight, don't forgflummox you five. stions in still ahead tonight, don't forgflummox youfive. that'sin still ahead tonight, don't forgflummox you five. that's the for flummox the five. that's the segment end of the show segment at the end of the show where answer your questions where we answer your questions on the universe and on life, the universe and benjamin's choice of studio attire . attire. >> but he actually looks >> but next, he actually looks quite nice today. >> but next, he actually looks quite nice today . but next, the quite nice today. but next, the supreme court has spoken. >> so where does that leave the government's rwanda plan? alex armstrong has a few thoughts. you're with the saturday five

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five. we're having killed each other yet as always, cheers very much for your emails about tonight's topics. i've got a richard one and a richard two. so this is richard one. richard says tiktok is no worse than any american social media platform. it's an interesting point, richard. two says better to go with has been than no hoper with a has been than a no hoper in flip flop wishy washy starmer. oh now danny says everyone on this despicable panel everyone on this despicable panel. oh has displayed sympathy with israel and not one word for the innocent. innocent palestinians. they're not all hamas. well, that's us, told. and barry says, how dare cameron want to raise foreign aid? how dare he? have you seen the state of our country? yeah, that's a good point. right, folks? now it's good point. right, folks? now wsfime good point. right, folks? now it's time for our next debate. up it's time for our next debate. up next, it's time to hear from alex so, alex, away alex armstrong. so, alex, away you go. >> thanks, darren. well, suella was wasn't she ? rwanda was right, wasn't she? rwanda has been thwart sorted as we all knew it would. what's been

really striking about this is i'm sure be in some other panel members tonight will tell me how many lawyers there are as mps in parliament and how many how much money they spend on lawyers when they're looking at legislation on was it because they wanted rwanda plan to fail? do they want to use the echr as a little toy to dangle at the electorate in the next election? well, i think so. now, what's really, really interesting about this, the government sunak the government and rishi sunak has come out and said he's going to introduce emergency powers . to introduce emergency powers. all of sudden, rishi sunak's all of a sudden, rishi sunak's managed to find some emergency powers he can introduce. why wasn't he doing this a year ago , wasn't he doing this a year ago, i wonder? maybe it's because we don't want to reduce immigration in country . as suella has in this country. as suella has rightfully said . and now we know rightfully said. and now we know once emergency legislation once that emergency legislation comes through, that the echr is going to shove its boot on britain's neck and try to stop any flight from leaving this country. there will be lawyers gluing themselves that runway gluing themselves to that runway for a few. bob, i can guarantee

you that . but there is some you that. but there is some simple solutions. in fact, i think even the dominic cummings giving came out and said this, and i really don't like that man very but actually made very much, but he actually made a why can't the a very good point. why can't the government just say anyone government just say that anyone who boat will who comes here by boat will never status? why never get legal status? why can't we invest some can't we invest in some technology to see when these boats are arriving can tow boats are arriving so we can tow them to france? it's them back to france? it's because think our leaders because i think our leaders don't intend to change this situation. and i guarantee you, not single flight out will not a single flight out will leave to rwanda before the next election and the tories are going to use this as their big next brexit campaign and dangle another carrot front of the another carrot in front of the british public. i believe british public. so i believe i firmly believe we should withdraw from the echr right now , avoid the international humiliation . , avoid the international humiliation. ian , avoid the international humiliation . ian finally, take humiliation. ian finally, take back our sovereignty as we were promised time and time again by brexit into our own hands , brexit into our own hands, introduce our own bill of british human rights which will ensure in so many of the similar laws that european union will favour and get it done. let's

actually get brexit done. get out of the echr and be sovereign again. now i'll be the token tory on the panel. again. now i'll be the token tory on the panel . what do you tory on the panel. what do you think about leaving the echr and what's suella? right. i'm relaxed about leaving the echr i actually thought the british bill of rights that i think it was dominic raab that was his idea. >> i thought that was a perfectly reasonable idea. the idea that we'd leave the echr and it is and not replace it is a nonsense. of course we would replace of those replace most of those rights that the and make that are in the echr and make them appropriate to britain them more appropriate to britain . stand suella . but i can't stand suella braverman. so no, she's not right about anything. >> how can you say she's not right when she has literally been proven right this week and she's character here she's playing a character here because in her maiden speech in 2015, about tolerance 2015, she spoke about tolerance and fellowship towards immigrants and hoped our immigrants and hoped that our union, with the eu would remain a happy marriage. >> and she promised to serve with integrity and with humility, integrity and warmth . now, darren, i know in warmth. now, darren, i know in 2016 that you were a lib dem and then five minutes later you decided you brexiteer,

decided you were a brexiteer, but were young suella but you were young suella braverman, was mp . braverman, however, was an mp. that was maiden speech and that was her maiden speech and she's done a complete 360. >> well, well, well. darren, let me you this. as who me ask you this. as someone who is for helping us get is famous for helping us get brexit do you think we brexit done, do you think we should leave echr ? should leave the echr? >> absolutely. think should leave the echr? >> should absolutely. think should leave the echr? >> should leave olutely. think should leave the echr? >> should leave the sly. think should leave the echr? >> should leave the scrapthink should leave the echr? >> should leave the scrap the( we should leave the scrap the refugee convention it's refugee convention an it's a 1951 convention that was built for the post—war age and now 700 million people are technically able and permissible to come to this country under that convention. it's insane. i don't think it's going to happen. >> as david cameron as foreign secretary, though, is it? >> let's face it, george osborne actually said that, which of course, he was chancellor under david cameron, and he has said under foreign under david cameron as foreign secretary, will not be doing secretary, we will not be doing any this. any of this. >> so that just is another reason david cameron is reason why david cameron is a wrong. actually, i think it wrong. and actually, i think it was david cameron that suggested a of rights a british bill of rights originally. know, i think a british bill of rights originallmay know, i think a british bill of rights originallmay toyedrv, i think a british bill of rights originallmay toyedrv, i tiit1k a british bill of rights originallmay toyedrv, i tiit and it theresa may toyed with it and it just goes to show that he can take more positions than well ,

take more positions than well, the kamasutra if you were you were an mep obviously what would the what will be the response in the what will be the response in the european parliament to this if we did leave the echr oh my gosh, i think it would be very interesting because i will expect the horror that, my gosh, this is ruining peace in europe in our time. >> but actually the mood across europe, especially in countries like italy, italy , denmark, like italy, italy, denmark, austria , even germany, are now austria, even germany, are now looking to the uk and going, we need to do something and the uk is on to something. need to do something and the uk is on to something . and actually is on to something. and actually as it's moving right across europe, in politics, the uk suddenly moving all liberal again, we're going against the tide. i think the best way is that the eu, europe comes together and they like just suspend and parts of the echr there's no way we'll ever leave it. that's the dead duck. and do not believe the tories if they say they're going to, they're just going to try and con us into voting for them again. they will suspend spend parts of it so we can all use a rwanda so that we can all use a rwanda style type of processing. >> that better

>> but wouldn't that be better than leaving all together, than leaving it all together, reforming it actually reforming it so it actually works europe? works for modern europe? no. >> could choose to leave >> if i could choose to leave it, i would absolutely leave it because totally outdated. because it is totally outdated. it's totally different it's also a totally different monster to when first monster to when it was first thought hugely overreaching. >> benjamin you know, i don't know if you describe yourself as a ite. i don't know a starmer ite. i don't know whether that's correct. >> keir leader okay. >> keir leader okay. >> right . how >> keir leader okay. >> right. how do you think labour will respond? let's say the to get of the tories manage to get out of the tories manage to get out of the echr by the next election or use it as an election dangling tool. how do you think is going tool. how do you think is going to respond? >> i mean, polling says to respond? >> people nean, polling says to respond? >> people nean, more1g says to respond? >> people nean, more faith ys to respond? >> people nean, more faith in that people have more faith in labour solve problem labour to solve this problem within the tories because the tories anything. tories haven't done anything. you braverman is you know, suella braverman is the of the kim kardashian of parliament. is obsessed with parliament. she is obsessed with media but does media attention but never does anything. the truth anything. and i think the truth is she said she'd stop the is that she said she'd stop the boats. didn't. she said boats. she didn't. she said she'd leave the echr. she didn't. she said she'd stop the hate marches, as she called it. she didn't. she said she'd tackle anti—semitism. was tackle anti—semitism. there was no a change no suggestion of a change in laws. said she'd the laws. she said she'd cut the hotel didn't. i mean, hotel bills. she didn't. i mean, i understand why right

i don't understand why the right wingers like darren are hoodwinked by this woman who does nothing. call her slow does nothing. i call her slow sue she's get sue because she's slow to get anything done. >> it not the point, though, >> is it not the point, though, that suella wasn't given the tools to stop the boats? i mean, there no intention for there was no intention for rishi sunak let's start sunak to say, right, let's start towing boats back. towing the boats back. >> don't that's >> no, i don't think that's true. think plenty of true. i think there's plenty of tools the tory party tools in the tory party >> she did actually propose the change after the hate marches, which called out, she which she called out, and she has the politician to has been the only politician to call out consistently. has been the only politician to calibut out consistently. has been the only politician to calibut yout consistently. has been the only politician to calibut you knowistently. has been the only politician to calibut you know what?(. has been the only politician to calibut you know what? she tries >> but you know what? she tries to everyone else. and to blame everyone else. and actually, it's quite the actually, i think it's quite the revelation of a politician. you know, an of know, politics is an art of diplomacy. inability diplomacy. your inability to persuade to go on that persuade anybody to go on that journey with you and to convince your colleagues is your failure. and colleagues who and also your colleagues who agree with you on rwanda, who agree with you on rwanda, who agree you on brexit, who agree with you on rwanda, who agree with you on brexit, who agree with you on rwanda, who agree with you on getting who agree with you on getting immigration down. >> she lacks the political acumen skill to get through acumen and skill to get through her think her programme and i think unfortunately was unfortunately that she was overpromote she never overpromote and she should never have well, it's the home have become well, it's the home secretary and that's why i say it's a good thing actually, that david back, because david cameron is back, because it's knows

it's someone who actually knows what doing. what they're doing. >> cameron really >> and david cameron really delivered he got brexit delivered for us. he got brexit done.i delivered for us. he got brexit done. i thanks thanks thanks for that. isn't the point that. but but isn't the point here that, yes, you you can here that, yes, you can you can bash suella however, however long to. but is long you want to. but she is right. there is no appetite in the elite level the the high elite level of the tories which you know, are now being by rishi sunak being surrounded by rishi sunak because jeremy because he's put all with jeremy hunt, shapps, david hunt, grant shapps, david cameron, boring cameron, all the boring old tories liberal class tories of the liberal class tories of the liberal class tories . there appetite tories. there is no appetite for them immigration because them to cut immigration because of figures. them to cut immigration because of there's|res. them to cut immigration because of there's no. them to cut immigration because of there's no political will >> there's no political will at all in the tory party to reduce immigration and need get immigration and we need to get used that. used to that. >> i with lords. >> i agree with lords. >> i agree with lords. >> more to come tonight. >> more still to come tonight. we'll be hearing from the one and on the and only emma webb on the policing protests one policing of protests and the one and only leo, who will be and only ben leo, who will be reporting live from australia. what be doing over what could he be doing over there, wonder? it's made a few there, i wonder? it's made a few headunes there, i wonder? it's made a few headlines as and make sure you keep your coming in keep your questions coming in for flummox the five but next is elon musk anti—semitic? has the crown too far and is £30 crown gone too far and is £30 too much for fish and chips? just some of the topics we'll be covering in bunch of five.

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is the. saturday five nine, nine chips, daylight robbery. talk about a cost of living crisis. also still to come in this hour, the brilliant emma webb will join to discuss the policing of protests or lack thereof . and ben leo enjoyed thereof. and ben leo enjoyed himself so much on the show last week. jumped on a plane to week. he jumped on a plane to australia. so he'll be here to tell us how things shaping tell us how things are shaping up of nigel farage. his up ahead of nigel farage. his appearance on i'm a celebrity, get me out of here . and of get me out of here. and of course, don't forget flummox the five. you can ask us anything . five. you can ask us anything. and as long as it's not a maths question, please. and we will answer at the end of the show. hit us with your best shot. we're ready. and waiting. but before all that, it's your saturday news with tatiana saturday night news with tatiana i >> darren, thank you very much and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. pro—palestinian protesters staged a day of national action with demonstrations and marches taking place right across the country. police say around 250

demonstrators gathered on whitehall outside the gates to downing street. at least two protesters were carried away by police at waterloo station after more pro—palestine demonstrator actions, people could be heard chanting ceasefire now. and from the river to the sea in the middle of the station's concourse . while these scenes concourse. while these scenes were captured in north london this afternoon , some protesters this afternoon, some protesters were seen describing israel as a terror state. police police say some of the gatherings appear to be a mix of pro—palestine and just stop oil activists . just stop oil activists. meanwhile, at least four people were arrested during a just topol protest earlier today . topol protest earlier today. activists marched from the shell headquarters in opposition to the approval of more than 100 oil and gas projects . the group oil and gas projects. the group says peaceful protesters are being locked up while those who it describes as climate criminals are protected . the criminals are protected. the israeli military is warning thousands of people to leave the south of gaza as it tightens its

focus on hamas terrorists. there warnings issued weeks ago saw scores of people move from the north of gaza amid the escalating conflict , but escalating conflict, but leaflets have been dropped by the idf near the khan younis area, telling people to move again . this time towards the again. this time towards the west . major advertisers are west. major advertisers are pulling their business from x, formerly known as twitter amid a row over alleged anti—semitism. it comes after the site's owner, elon musk, appeared to endorse a post that falsely claimed members of the jewish community were stoking hatred against white people. the white house called it an abhorrent promotion of anti—semitic and racist hate. disney warner brothers and us network nbc are among those who've paused their advertising . who've paused their advertising. the chancellor says there's a pathway to lower taxes ahead of next week's autumn statement, arguing the economy has turned a corner. jeremy hunt says this is the moment to focus on growth after inflation halved over the past year. it's understood he is

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jungle? and not just our hearts? now it's time for bunch of five where we spend through five of the week's big stories and give our always well considered and thoughtful opinions . it's a big thoughtful opinions. it's a big week ahead in politics with chancellor jeremy week ahead in politics with chancellorjeremy hunt. all set chancellor jeremy hunt. all set to deliver the autumn statement. and hunt has hinted that he may be unveiling tax cuts after telling the telegraph that the economy has turned the corner. is it time for tax cuts? and could such a plan save the tories as i'll be? you're rich enough already. do you really need more tax cuts? >> well , i need more tax cuts? >> well, i think the taxes we're heanng >> well, i think the taxes we're hearing about being cut are things like inheritance tax. and i can tell you my parents do not have anything for me to inherit that would be impacted by inheritance tax. i think it's inheritance tax. so i think it's an interesting tax that the government looking government is allegedly looking at but i would say at cutting. but i would say perhaps from a political perspective policy perspective as a populist policy , be lot more people think , be a lot more people think they will pay inheritance tax and actually will. the and actually will. so the government actually say, well, and actually will. so the gover going actually say, well, and actually will. so the gover going ac abolish ay, well, we're going to abolish

inheritance costs inheritance tax. it costs a couple billion pounds. couple of billion pounds. obviously lot of money. obviously a lot of money. it sounds average voter like sounds to the average voter like a lot more than saying we're going to take one off income tax or off corporation tax. >> do you know what i think? >> do you know what i think? >> it's a sign of the >> actually, it's a sign of the direction that the conservative party are heading in, because i think actually they they chose surrey over sunderland in appointing cameron appointing david cameron as foreign and now foreign secretary. and now they're choosing surrey over sunderland and choosing inheritance tax over personal taxation. my view . taxation. that's my view. >> but i think that's actually a very adept point. you know, they're trying save the blue they're trying to save the blue wall because they've decided or realised that the red wall, those seats, like the ones you're from, are no hopers for them. keeping them. so maybe it makes some sense. but look, only about pay about 4% of estates pay inheritance tax. most people don't realise quite how rich you have to be in order to be affected by that. benjamin as a policy though, this was when george osborne and david cameron proposed abolishing inheritance tax back in the late 2000. >> it's what scared and it's

what scared the labour prime minister at the time, gordon brown, from holding an election after he became labour leader. >> yeah, it's pure politics because they're desperate and there's chance things there's no chance that things like income tax are going to be cut because jeremy hunt has said, agree with him, that cut because jeremy hunt has saicmain agree with him, that cut because jeremy hunt has saic main thingze with him, that cut because jeremy hunt has saic main thing thatth him, that cut because jeremy hunt has saic main thing that mattersthat cut because jeremy hunt has saic main thing that matters is|t the main thing that matters is inflation. you cut taxes, inflation. now if you cut taxes, that an inflationary that will have an inflationary effect. margaret thatcher said that, alone rishi sunak and that, let alone rishi sunak and jeremy and if inflation jeremy hunt. and if inflation goes up, well, then you've still got less money in your pocket and the state has less income. >> and i think that goes >> and i think i think that goes to the point about, you know, jeremy saying economy's jeremy hunt saying the economy's turned really don't turned a corner. i really don't believe and i think believe we have. and i think there's lot more to a lot there's a lot more to a lot further we need to go on inflation to get the inflation in order to get the economy control. and economy under control. and obviously, not just obviously, that's not just microeconomics, that's macroeconomics as well. there's a play here with a bigger thing at play here with inflation, but for jeremy a bigger thing at play here with inflation, but forjeremy hunt to celebrating, we've to start celebrating, we've turned think we turned a corner when i think we will recession will probably be in a recession by this next year will be by this point next year will be is very, rich. it's very, is very, very rich. it's very, very rich. forjeremy hunt, two weeks ago, were talking weeks ago, you were talking about the uk economy about how good the uk economy was to rest

was doing compared to the rest of europe. >> it heralding still >> well, it is heralding still doing the rest of europe. >> i'm not saying it's a success story. >> growing zero. he made that argument the last time you were on the show that we were doing so well in this country. we were talking in comparison, be not talking in comparison, be not talking britain in its talking about britain in its individual country, individual state as a country, we still far too high. >> it is. i think what >> it is. and i think what people really care about money in pockets and as in their back pockets and as darren has rightfully said, they are going to give you that are not going to give you that money their back pocket. money in their back pocket. they're that they're trying to pretend that they they're trying to they are and they're trying to win of the blue wall win over some of the blue wall because going to lose win over some of the blue wall beiwell, going to lose win over some of the blue wall beiwell, can going to lose win over some of the blue wall beiwell, can i going to lose win over some of the blue wall beiwell, can i justing to lose win over some of the blue wall beiwell, can i just picko lose it. well, can i just pick pockets? >> sounds like dodgy money and i just quickly than just quickly say that than nothing all. nothing at all. >> projected have 0% >> we're projected to have 0% growth the entirety next growth for the entirety of next yeah growth for the entirety of next year. saying we've year. so if he's saying we've turned corner, i mean, god turned a corner, i mean, god help us what his expectations were before that we haven't turned the corner, have we. >> he's just gone smack straight into look. into the wall. let's look. desperate desperate measures. i think the conservatives are >> i think the conservatives are a delusional. a little bit delusional. delusional because i'm delusional as well, because i'm looking party thinking looking at the party thinking because your mismanagement of because of your mismanagement of our money, especially covid

our money, especially over covid and the abuse of our money, especially over covid andfurlough the abuse of our money, especially over covid andfurlough schemee abuse of our money, especially over covid andfurlough scheme and use of our money, especially over covid andfurlough scheme and the of the furlough scheme and the track the hugely track and trace and the hugely bloated civil service and public sector , we have all the silly sector, we have all the silly positions of diversity in this that hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayer, the conservatives have overseen all of that waste money. so they of that waste of money. so they think going to be grateful of that waste of money. so they thithem, going to be grateful of that waste of money. so they thithem, 1them to be grateful of that waste of money. so they thithem, 1them givingjrateful of that waste of money. so they thithem, 1them giving useful to them, for them giving us a small tax cut. no, it's our money. it should have been. it's also relatively hilarious that they liz truss they get rid of liz truss for trying promote a high growth trying to promote a high growth economy and then they're trying to that argument to go back to that same argument now vote winner. now as a vote winner. >> now as a vote winner. >> and remember, for you to get anything this tory anything good out of this tory government, die. government, you nan has to die. so it's not a great election slogan. >> now may she go on and on and on. >> thursdays. >> thursdays. >> thursdays. >> thursday saw the release of the first half of final the first half of the final season of the crown, which delves into the last weeks of princess life. however, delves into the last weeks of prinshow's life. however, delves into the last weeks of prinshow's creatorse. however, delves into the last weeks of prinshow's creatorse. hovcome the show's creators have come under well, under a fair under fire, well, under a fair amount of heat. i think it's safe to say, for their depiction of the and what critics of the events and what critics argue has been, well taken, 1 or 2 creative liberties . benjamin

2 creative liberties. benjamin are you a fan of the crown? i don't actually know. >> no. >> no. >> i've never watched it because i feel like i know what happens. so don't give me any spoilers , so don't give me any spoilers, you know? >> exactly. exactly. actually because they take so many liberties you what liberties that you know what i mean comes out. >> read a spoiler that >> i did read a spoiler that they kill off a main character in this season. but do know in this season. but do you know what i have watched little clips so watched proper so i've never watched a proper episode i do understand why episode and i do understand why there been suggestions there have been suggestions from previous secretaries previous culture secretaries to say netflix must make clear say that netflix must make clear this is a fictional interpretation of events because lots of people, especially that aren't british, are going to think that some of the made up stuff is real. >> belinda i loved it. i've watched it back to back the diana series that's just been released last night. cry through most it. i thought it was most of it. i thought it was absolutely done. the absolutely beautifully done. the only sort of take only bit i'd sort of take umbrage is the ghost, the umbrage with is the ghost, the returning ghost of diana. i thought that spoilt it a bit because it a bit ridiculous, because it was a bit ridiculous, but thought it really exposed but i thought it really exposed a possible side to the story as well. with dodi al fayed character being quite a dicey

one in that i thought, and he had got a lot of sympathy over the years and maybe it wasn't as clear. >> see, i still felt sorry for dodi the fact that dodi because of the fact that he had such a torrid relationship with his father. >> yes, the father did not come across all it and across well at all in it and really played with the relationship. whether relationship. now, whether that's not, i don't that's true or not, i don't know. they artistic know. maybe they took artistic license it . license with it. >> we're all falling >> see, now we're all falling for it. isn't it fair because they they they sort of treat the royal family in the same way when comes to diana and when it comes to diana and charles relationship, they're doing the fayed family. >> diana queen as well. >> and diana the queen as well. i diana, obviously comes i think diana, obviously comes off in in the in off extremely well in in the in the in the tv show. and you know, she's dead. i mean, well, i mean, she comes off, you know what i mean, darren? you know, i mean, look, i think diana's story that touches story is something that touches many in and many people in britain. and i think people still really, really diana. and think really love diana. and i think do anything tarnish her. they do anything to tarnish her. they would doing their show would be doing their own show a disservice because i don't think they to their they want to lose their audience. >> actually, though, she did. she portrayed as a

she she wasn't portrayed as a saint. they did it saint. i thought they did it very they showed this side very well. they showed this side of that attracted to of her that was attracted to drama, and attracted to drama, drama and attracted to the press not this, you the press and not like this, you know, saint. know, perfect saint. >> i've always loved the crown. >> maybe some insoluble. and do i think it's a really great british this is one of british export this is one of the grossing series on the highest grossing series on netflix. it breaks all sorts of records when comes out. yes, records when it comes out. yes, it takes artistic license. it's a piece of art. that's how we should look at it. it's not a documentary. so it really irritates me when people get all puritanical crown puritanical about the crown because drama . because it's a drama. >> yeah, i agree. i think they've actually done a relatively good job of creating a balance in the show. and, you know, moment, know, even that last moment, i don't i'm not going to don't want to i'm not going to don't want to i'm not going to do any spoilers for anyone who hasn't it. hasn't watched it. >> sorry, guys. >> sorry, guys. >> good show. let's >> look, it's a good show. let's be honest. >> it's more true life >> it's more true to life than the harry meghan the harry and meghan documentary. think it documentary. and i do think it makes england look really beautiful. >> it does. but right next, apple and disney are among the big have suspended big firms to have suspended advertising on social media platform x, formerly twitter, in the of an alleged the wake of an alleged anti—semitism controversy, the site's ,

site's owner, elon musk, appeared a post that appeared to endorse a post that falsely claimed members of the jewish community city were stoking hatred against white people. >> musk denies the post was anti—semitic . according to us anti—semitic. according to us media reports , apple, disney, media reports, apple, disney, comcast and warner bros . comcast and warner bros. discovery have all ceased advertising on an x. alex i think you know more about this story than the rest of us. i haven't, to be honest, really been able to keep up with it because it's been going on overnight really. yeah. and i got up at 5 am. this morning. yeah please feel sorry for me. viewers he's watching viewers at home, he's watching the crowd. >> you know, do you actually think has this put you off musk? no, not at all. i mean, look, at the end of the day, there are controversial opinions on every social platform. we've social media platform. we've been tiktok been speaking about tiktok today is example that. is a perfect example from that. and we if and you know, if we if advertisers really want to pull their ads from anything that's controversial, will never their ads from anything that's corany ersial, will never their ads from anything that's corany advertisement ll never their ads from anything that's corany advertisement because be any advertisement because there's something there's always something controversial the point controversial online. the point that very , very clear that i think is very, very clear about this. elon musk has a very, very broad range views.

very, very broad range of views. he's put out a tweet today he's even put out a tweet today that said he believes that calling for god from the from the to the sea, gaza, the river to the sea, gaza, israel free. sorry, israel will be free. sorry, palestine free. i beg palestine will be free. i beg your pardon? is is an anti your pardon? is an is an anti semitic genocide , idle, semitic genocide, idle, genocidal thing to say. and so, you know, he does have some balanced opinions. but if you're going to remove your advertisement on one person's tweet , what are they really tweet, what are they really trying to do? maybe they're tweet, what are they really trying to take maybe they're tweet, what are they really trying to take musk�* they're tweet, what are they really trying to take musk down. e trying to take musk down. >> so you think there's an agenda play here? agenda at play here? >> absolutely. and clear >> absolutely. and it was clear when took over the when he first took over the platform, they all removed platform, when they all removed their just their ads, they were just waiting moment to do it. their ads, they were just wai benjamin,noment to do it. their ads, they were just wai benjamin, thisent to do it. their ads, they were just wai benjamin, this ist to do it. their ads, they were just wai benjamin, this is walk) it. >> benjamin, this is walk capital ism trying take down capital ism trying to take down elon musk. >> well, i mean, chance to be a fine thing. the bloke's worth about £200 billion some days. you i think talk you know, i think when you talk about to about zero tolerance to anti—semitism, a time anti—semitism, i'm at a time when anti—semitic has never been more potent and more contagious. this is what that looks like. this is what that looks like. this isn't a controversial topic for which you could debate the rights and wrongs. it was a racist smear, basically. and i

think that if ever there was a justification for a company to do this, it was a time like this because he should know that you can't stoke hatred at the expense of a racial minority at a time when they're facing that in real life . in real life. >> but holding elon musk more >> but we holding elon musk more accountable than we hold anti—semitism is wrong online. i think it's just that there's a there's clearly think it's just that there's a there�*bias clearly think it's just that there's a there�*bias towards clearly think it's just that there's a there�*bias towards people that clear bias towards people that are successful. and obviously someone who runs a platform and others not. mean, we others that are not. i mean, we just potential just discussed today potential racial and some people racial slurs and some people finding that, well, that's what i bnng finding that, well, that's what i bring up, actually. >> i mean, there's so much racism on twitter. i'm sure that all of the clips that will be cupped all of the clips that will be clipped me tonight will have clipped of me tonight will have some comment some sort of racist comment on it. we saying that it. so are we saying that advertisers pull out of advertisers should pull out of twitter all of that? twitter because of all of that? >> well, i think you should be banned using it. you say banned from using it. if you say something that's clearly racist. i would be i don't know why that would be a high bar to have. the problem is that this guy owns twitter and therefore can't banned therefore he can't be banned from thing owns. but from the thing he owns. but maybe that have maybe some people that have influence it can exercise influence over it can exercise that. well, i'm grateful that influence over it can exercise

thatadvertsl'm grateful that influence over it can exercise thatadvertsl'm g|stopped|at influence over it can exercise thatadvertsl'm g|stopped because the adverts have stopped because those on on that those disney adverts on on that platform were just hitting me again with new again and again with their new woke film. >> quite glad they're not >> i'm quite glad they're not going to appear anymore. rate going to appear anymore. i rate elon think he's really elon musk. i think he's really improved platform. however improved the platform. however i do benjamin. i think do agree with benjamin. i think the did, stupid. the tweet he did, it was stupid. it stupid. it was clearly to it was stupid. it was clearly to me very anti—jewish. and me anyway, very anti—jewish. and if then perhaps if he apologised, then perhaps that's that could go some way. but i think it's but i do think it's also a personal attack because youtube and just and tiktok, as we've just mentioned, tiktok hosting all that terrorist that pro—islamist terrorist stuff, who's going to pull out from ? from tiktok? >> no, as alex says, clamping down on the genocidal chant. i think is actually a really robust measure that as far as i'm aware, i haven't heard any other social media platform come out right and say, we're going to do that. >> and in fact, you'll find a disney advertisement against somebody chanting that somebody who is chanting that exact same phrase tiktok. exact same phrase on tiktok. so if we're talking where if we're talking about where does like why? why is does the bias like why? why is the focus on musk? is it the focus on elon musk? is it because they don't like what he has to say or the that he has to say or the power that he has, right. has, perhaps right. >> this is an utterly bizarre

story. but here we are. a study suggests that number of suggests that the number of people pakistan people in bradford's pakistan omani have married people in bradford's pakistan ocousin have married people in bradford's pakistan ocousin has have married people in bradford's pakistan ocousin has decreased have married people in bradford's pakistan ocousin has decreased over married people in bradford's pakistan ocousin has decreased over the rried a cousin has decreased over the last decade , and the change has last decade, and the change has been put to down higher educational attainment changes been put to down higher edimmigrationainment changes been put to down higher edimmigration rules�*nt changes been put to down higher edimmigration rules and changes been put to down higher edimmigration rules and new ges in immigration rules and new family roles. the bbc was absolutely , utterly jubilant absolutely, utterly jubilant about this fact and touted it as , you know, oh, look at this. good news story. i thought , it good news story. i thought, it ain't good news that over 40% of people are still marrying their cousin. well, i'm sorry, darren. >> that is a vicious attack on our late monarch . very very, our late monarch. very very, very distant. >> that's not that's not the same. >> it was almost 100 years ago as well. >> our first cousins and a lot of people bring up this argument. actually, i've had it online. people say, oh, well, you know, it was very common in the aristocrat communities and the aristocrat communities and the years the rural communities. 100 years ago. right . the rural communities. 100 years ago. right. but ago. and it's like, right. but there a lot things that there are a lot of things that happened years ago that happened 100 years ago that aren't now , but is aren't normal now, but it is still normal some still normal now in some communities, especially in the british community, for

british pakistani community, for cousin marriage to go on, it is still legal in the united kingdom because people are worried. fact, watched worried. in fact, i watched a documentary about it, the governments, how governments have they're governments, how governments have to they're governments, how governments have to seen they're governments, how governments have to seen as they're governments, how governments have to seen as racistay're governments, how governments have to seen as racist if�*re going to be seen as racist if they implement this of this they implement this kind of this kind law . and look, at the kind of law. and look, at the end of day , cousin, marriage end of the day, cousin, marriage has risks. lot of has got health risks. a lot of the children who are born as a result of cousin marriage have really quite serious genetic result of cousin marriage have really iconditions. s genetic result of cousin marriage have really iconditions. and netic result of cousin marriage have really iconditions. and ittic result of cousin marriage have really iconditions. and it is health conditions. and it is absolutely right that the state bans practice. bans this practice. >> shocked it's still >> am so shocked it's still legal in this country. i didn't realise that. i think. and you say the cousins of the aristocracy in royal family, there handful of there were only a handful of families that did it and you saw the haemophiliacs come through the haemophiliacs come through the generations and young royal. joel yeah, really sad. and to choose that risk for your child i think isn't something to be encouraged either. it's not very dutiful to your child. no. >> deeply disturbed that this practice actually when i read the headline, i was shocked that it actually is still something that communities, no matter what race or religion ethnic race or religion or ethnic minority you are endorse. i mean, deeply un—british,

mean, it's deeply un—british, first all, to do this. first of all, to do this. i mean, i know we're talking about the family, but to marry the royal family, but to marry a cousin. but, you know, it's deeply, un—british deeply, deeply un—british and it's against values. it's deeply against our values. and this. how and society to endorse this. how can isn't disgusting. can it isn't disgusting. >> is improving. it's a good >> it is improving. it's a good news story. >> i would you know, >> i would say that, you know, they the educational they cite the educational standards up has been one standards going up has been one of they've of the things that they've learned. the out of this. learned. the way out of this. i think this is probably one of the happens when the things that happens when these aren't integrated. the things that happens when thethe aren't integrated. the things that happens when thethe parentsren't integrated. the things that happens when thethe parents that integrated. the things that happens when thethe parents that areegrated. the things that happens when thethe parents that are probably so the parents that are probably pressuring kids into pressuring their adult kids into doing decisions, when doing these decisions, when those kids may well be aware that you that that's not normal, you could that if they're could only do that if they're cut off from other parts of society. you know, when they when integrate more widely, when they integrate more widely, when they integrate more widely, when they integrate more widely, when the language, when they speak the language, when they speak the language, when regular when they have regular jobs outside community, i outside of that community, i think less likely to think you're far less likely to see pressuring their see parents pressuring their children into these into these decisions. children into these into these deci.ions. of course, we do >> i think, of course, we do look forward to the channel four reality television studio in which marries which benjamin marries his cousin married at first cousin ha ha, married at first relation, last and far from least kerridge's fish and chips in. it's a restaurant in harrods. served what was

described as a bland and ordinary serving of fish and chips, priced at a whopping £37. tom kerridge's under scrutiny for the high cost of his dish, which is on screen right now. and it was served with a total of just nine chips. now benjamin, you've had some fancy meals in your time. would you be happy with that? >> you know, i actually did buy fish and chips at harrods in qatar airport. and without any light. it's the best fish and chips i've had in my whole life. so if the one in london's proper harrods is the same as that, i'd be tempted to splash £37. >> and of course, you didn't use any oil to get there . i'll be any oil to get there. i'll be no, i wouldn't spend £37 on a fish and chips. >> and actually i get fish and chips every week. actually. i love a good fish and chips on a friday and i already think the fish and chips are my local fish and chips is really expensive. it's about £17 nowadays to get a fish some parts of fish and chips in some parts of london. so to think that you can

buy it for almost £40 in harrods, well nice money if harrods, well it's nice money if you get it. you can get it. >> mean, it's bonkers, isn't >> i mean, it's bonkers, isn't it ? i mean, best fish and it? i mean, the best fish and chips can something chips you can get is something that's under greasy, dirty. that's under £10 greasy, dirty. i you find them outside of i mean, you find them outside of london. be london. let's be let's be honest. going to find honest. you're not going to find a fish chips less outside of london. >> we have thing called inflation. >> listen, the local chippy down where my mum lives, it's £12, i think, with a drink. so it's doable. >> it's doable. >> it's doable. >> and the whole point of the drinks, £2.50 about how gnarly and filthy and fishy the oil is for me. >> i don't want anything clean and pristine and done with a little machine. just want little machine. i just want gnarly ten day old oil and then smell it. wrap it in a briefing papen smell it. wrap it in a briefing paper. fish paper. oh, that's fish and chips. >> ee- chips. >> just be really tight >> i must just be really tight because i would at that because i would look at that and say, chips. haven't had . say, nine chips. i haven't had. yeah, yeah. >> chunky though >> they're chunky chips though aren't >> they're chunky chips though areiyeah, they are very. if we >> yeah, they are very. if we can get the image back up they are clearly chunky chips . are clearly quite chunky chips. but as say they are there nine but as i say they are there nine of them and they do look like they've just come out of a packet like you've got the

frozen chips that you've just dry a flip flop. dry as a flip flop. >> no way. >> there's no way. >> there's no way. >> hilarious is they've >> what's hilarious is they've put little cup to make put it in a little cup to make it look like it's like an egg cup. >> it's almost like an egg cup. but they put can we sell nine chips, put them in a cup that'll be who is buying this be nice. who is buying this stuff. benjamin you're a high flying fine flying man that likes fine dining. you you buy this dining. you said you buy this product because if it tasted so good did qatar, long good as it did in qatar, as long as it was qatari. >> yeah. i mean, i'll add that the harrods airport was the harrods at this airport was not £37. i'm not sure how much it was because was a it was because it was in a different currency. i different currency. so maybe i don't have clue what i paid. don't have a clue what i paid. but. but do you know what great food cost money and food can cost money and actually, should we really have actually, should we really have a a business that a problem with a business that can that money, create can generate that money, create jobs? a good jobs? you know, that's a good thing. £37 means there's thing. and if £37 means there's a few extra people who are working in the kitchen or cleaning floors, that's cleaning the floors, then that's not thing. not a bad thing. >> a true blairite. >> spoken like a true blairite. that's true, isn't it? no. that's very true, isn't it? no. still to come your still to come tonight, your chance the five. and chance to flummox the five. and ben joins from australia ben leo joins us from australia as ticks to down nigel as the clock ticks to down nigel farages debut on i'm a

celebrity. me out of here. celebrity. get me out of here. let's quick at what let's take a quick look at what he's getting up to. right? he's been getting up to. right? look at there's nigel. look at that. there's nigel. that's jose next to him. and there he is. he's got his hands up in the air. he's ready for it i >> -- >> and it's like he's about to unify australia in britain, isn't it? >> he's having a good rummage. this is weird, isn't it? well, it is. the itv have just released these and that's him doing a trial. so we get to see him do a trial. but next we will be looking at the recent spate of protests and asking if the police are enforcing the law . police are enforcing the law. you're with the saturday five live on .

radio. we welcome back to the saturday five, as always. >> cheers. very much for your emails about tonight's topics. stephen has written in. he says david cameron supported gay marriage. i liked him for that , marriage. i liked him for that, but i disagreed with him on

brexit at lesley, says darren, britain's only hope of survival is for the majority of britain to wake up and vote to reform uk. the only truly patriotic party with britain's best interests at heart. and peter says if starmer wins, will he clear out the backlog of asylum applicants by offering an amnesty to all illegal migrants already here? well, someone needs to do benjamin's cleaning. i guess . now. currently london i guess. now. currently london is immersed in the second weekend of protests since last week. demonstrators marched in solidarity with palestine on armistice day. shame and this weekend, the focus shifts to the just stop oil movement advocating for climate change, awareness, criticism has been directed at the police for the handung directed at the police for the handling of these protests. the pressing question remains what's the solution? well, joining us is the uk director of the common sense society, emma webb. emma

what is the answer here? because i'm going spare. our emails are all everyone's saying, look, what the hell is going on in my country. the police just need to enforce the law and stop being disingenuous with the public. >> i think it's pretty straightforward. we've actually seen this weekend that the british police , i'm british transport police, i'm being here, the british being specific here, the british transport as not to transport police, so as not to give the met any credit by proxy , have actually been enforcing the law in waterloo station. they've done a bit more they've actually done a bit more than they have done in previous weeks, which just goes to show that have the that the police do have the powers deal with these sorts powers to deal with these sorts of things. seen mark of things. and we've seen mark rowley, the met commissioner, being of very being very sort of very straightforward. you know, i'm not lawyer, but there are many not a lawyer, but there are many lawyers and mps who have been very , very clear about this, very, very clear about this, that when they say , oh, we don't that when they say, oh, we don't have prevent them have the powers to prevent them from climbing all over the monument in hyde park, that is just simply untrue. there are all sorts of offences that they could have used to prevent them from that, they chose from doing that, but they chose

not i think one of the not to. and i think one of the reasons is because it's the reasons why is because it's the sheer numbers involved sheer numbers of people involved in protests. i think there in the protests. i think there are of having a london are afraid of having a london riot style situation , action, riot style situation, action, igniting and so what we've seen them doing is using every thing in the book to target those people who are actually the potential victims of these protests . so people like the protests. so people like the campaign for anti—semitism , campaign for anti—semitism, instead of focusing on those who are who are the ones who are the potential aggressors . so suella potential aggressors. so suella was absolutely right. it's a two tier policing. so the solution is not to create more laws, but to simply enforce the ones that we already have. >> and i wonder to what extent do you agree that a large to a large extent the police are just scared, right? the police feel fearful that they'll be accused, dare i say , of that r—word dare i say, of that r—word racism ? racism? >> absolutely . i think that's >> absolutely. i think that's the problem. and this is an issue with the police leadership. if you're a frontline police officer, this situation is actually putting you at risk and it's putting us

at risk of increasing disorder in our streets. we've seen this with other protests as well, with other protests as well, with two tier policing around black lives matter and extinction rebellion . when you extinction rebellion. when you don't the properly, don't enforce the law properly, these they these things escalate. they escalate criminal damage and escalate to criminal damage and thatis escalate to criminal damage and that is clearly the case with war memorials. so there is specific legislation to protect war memorials. if the specific legislation to protect war memorials . if the police war memorials. if the police think that there is a reasonable chance that those war memorials will the will get damaged, including the poppy will get damaged, including the poppy surrounding them. poppy wreaths surrounding them. so actually, is putting the so actually, this is putting the british and particularly british public and particularly the jewish community in london at risk of escalating violence. and they think in the and so they might think in the short that it's worth just short term that it's worth just not enforcing our laws order not enforcing our laws in order to try and create some kind of peace, but actually, the police have a duty to enforce the law and what they're doing actually, as we saw when they were tearing down those posters that had been put for about israeli put up for about israeli hostages or targeting the metropolitan police, targeting the campaign for anti—semitism, when they asked them to twice to

turn off their billboards and leave the area because they were being , you know, possibly at being, you know, possibly at risk of being interfered with by the pro—palestine protesters . the pro—palestine protesters. what we're seeing here very clearly is the police siding with the bullies instead of siding with victims or those who are potentially victims . it's an are potentially victims. it's an unsustainable situation . it's unsustainable situation. it's completely unacceptable. and what's worse is the police are being totally disingenuous in their communications with the public. so, for example, it was very briefly when they said about the war memorial that we saw this weekend on wednesday, being by those being scaled by those protesters, they that there protesters, they said that there firstly, they said that there wasn't anything that they could do about it in any case. and then they said that they that their officers weren't able to get there in time. when we saw that the brilliant reporting from twitter ink from the twitter page, ink monocle urge anybody to go and have look at that . but, um, we have a look at that. but, um, we saw clearly from the video there that standing that the police were standing right before these right there just before these protesters scaled that monument . protesters scaled that monument. so untrue .

so it's simply untrue. >> and emma, to what extent do you think that today's sitting or whatever it is they call it in waterloo station today, where the police have made arrests, to what extent do you think actually these protesters have felt emboldened by the inaction of the police , that they just of the police, that they just now have concluded that they can simply get away with it? >> of course , it's common sense. >> of course, it's common sense. these things are going to escalate if you don't enforce the law, because people will think that they can get away with doing whatever they want, whether it's criminal damage or whether it's criminal damage or whether in the end, ultimately it's it's it's violence or maybe it's carrying swastikas carrying placards of swastikas on streets . so i think they on our streets. so i think they have been emboldened . what we've have been emboldened. what we've seen this this weekend is that it is possible to enforce the law, but the police only seem to be willing to do that when the protests at a smaller scale protests are at a smaller scale rather these absolutely rather than these absolutely enormous the message enormous masses. and the message that sends is that if you that that sends is that if you can a large enough group of can get a large enough group of people together, you can create lawlessness streets . you lawlessness on our streets. you can london a no zone. can make london a no go zone. and the police will do

absolutely to stop you. absolutely nothing to stop you. >> emma, >> well, just finally, emma, i wonder to extent we can wonder to what extent we can rely even on the justice system at because at large, right. because extinction rebellion they caused half £1 million worth of damage on hsbc's london office. right. they were tapping the smashing the glass up , they were tapping the smashing the glass up, and none of them have faced any repercussions for that , right. have faced any repercussions for that, right. to what have faced any repercussions for that , right. to what extent have faced any repercussions for that, right. to what extent is actually the police making an arrest and then them going through the legal system? well that doesn't even then lead to repercussions . repercussions. >> yeah, we're in a lot of trouble because firstly, the police don't seem to know the law. the police commissioner seems to be misrepresent writing the law and is having to be corrected by mps and lawyers on twitter . we have twitter. and we also have a situation it's not the it's not the only example black lives matter. vandals also show extinction rebellion activists haven't faced justice for all sorts of criminal damage that they've created in the process of their protests. so i think

that the message this is sending overall is , one, that it almost overall is, one, that it almost incentivises escalates disorder and potentially violence. and i think that this is a really, really critical moment. the police need to do their jobs. it's really not complicated. and it's really not complicated. and i think police officers need to know the law. they need to understand the law properly and the police commissioner needs to communicate with the public in a way that is professional and clear and hinckley the metropolitan police's communications with the public have been wildly unprofessional . have been wildly unprofessional. >> right. thank you very much, emma. sound as a pound. the uk director of the common sense society. there emma webb. right. quick reactions if we can. benjamin i mean, have you got any faith in british policing ? any faith in british policing? >> some. but what i was going to say was that you know, i don't sympathise with these protests , sympathise with these protests, but i do with just stop oil. and i just suggest that the idea that promotion any expense, which is what these kind of

illegal, potentially illegal activities are because they get loads of attention, does it really work because public opinion and government policy on oil has gone in the opposite direction to just stop oil mass protests like this one haven't affected government policy. when i a student, had big i was a student, you had big protests on university tuition fees and austerity . we didn't fees and austerity. we didn't affect government policy . i'm affect government policy. i'm quite cynical that this is an effective way to get your voice heard and to change policy. >> so as a supporter of just stop oil, how are things going with the qatari division ? with the qatari division? >> didn't quite i didn't say >> i didn't quite i didn't say that sympathetic that i said i sympathetic sympathised with cause and sympathised with the cause and i would question whether these protests actually achieve the cause. think that's cause. i don't think that's really think ever since the really i think ever since the iraq war, march of a million people what, think people in what, 2003, i think every subsequent protest has basically been ineffective . basically been ineffective. >> all right. we're going to have leave that there, but have to leave that there, but we've coming up because we've got more coming up because coming up next, the moment millions all been millions of you have all been waiting he's a dyed in the waiting for, he's a dyed in the wool right winger who sometimes rubs up wrong way,

rubs people up the wrong way, but argue his heart is in but would argue his heart is in the right place . now, in the right place. now, in australia, spotlight is australia, the spotlight is about to shine more about to shine even more brightly on as he takes a brightly on him as he takes a massive step into the unknown. yep, we're about to step down under to speak with our very own ben leo. you're with the saturday five live on .

radio. we welcome back to the saturday five as always. >> cheers very much for your emails. trev has written in. he says hi peeps, just had fish and chips for tea cost 450 here in nonh chips for tea cost 450 here in north manchester. farage. >> what did i say? >> what did i say? >> nice fresh cooking oil. not the dirty stuff that we norrie from fife says a £10 at the anstruther fish bar , the home of anstruther fish bar, the home of fish and chips. you lot aren't in touch anymore. >> you see, you've been to london, bubbles. yeah. see? i

knew it. you can get it for cheaper than that. >> must be going the wrong >> must be going to the wrong bloody and chip shop. yeah bloody fish and chip shop. yeah >> branch in >> the harrods branch in newcastle rebrand. rebrand? yeah. >> claire when i was young, >> claire says when i was young, we respected the and the we respected the police and the job did, but they've job they did, but now they've lost respect through their lost that respect through their wokeism absolutely . right now , wokeism absolutely. right now, gb news presented nigel farage has made his way down under for the 2023 season of i'm a celebrity get me out of here, which launches tomorrow . no which launches tomorrow. no farage seize this opportunity as a chance to captivate a new audience. but will he be crowned king of the jungle in 2023? well ben lyle was here with us this time last week, and it seems he likes the company of poisonous creatures because he's now turned up in australia for. good evening, ben. what's it like . evening, ben. what's it like. >> good night, darren. >> good night, darren. >> how's it going ? >> how's it going? >> how's it going? >> very good. very good. so what's the latest then ? what's the latest then? >> bombshell pictures just released a few minutes ago of

nigel farages first trial. he'll be leading the opener tomorrow night on itv. it's fair to be leading the opener tomorrow night on itv. it's fairto say night on itv. it's fair to say itv are getting their money's worth out of nigel. a rumoured £1.5 million fee. and they broke all the rules in the book for the first time ever in the series . they flew him 2000 miles series. they flew him 2000 miles out into australia's northern territory, which is the outback scorching 40 degree heat for a what appears to be by these new pictures that have just dropped a gunk and slime challenge. one particular picture of nigel looking absolutely revolted . he looking absolutely revolted. he could have walked into a bar of remainers for all we know. another one with his head peered right into a vw beetle. he did it with itv's josie gibson on youtube. star nella rose. and it's fair to say that, as i said tomorrow night, it's fair to say that, as i said tomorrow night , the big show tomorrow night, the big show openen tomorrow night, the big show opener, nigel, is going to be the huge star of the show. >> so, ben, why would the host three picked in particular? is it because they're the biggest

names . names. >> well, i think like i said, i want to get their money's worth out of nigel for his fee. i think there's been a lot of speculation about whether nigel is going to put viewers off, but in my book, i mean, according to the bookies, josie gibson from itv the clear favourite at 2 itv is the clear favourite at 2 to 1 win the series. and to 1 to win the series. and nigel is not far behind as third and favourites. yeah, and fourth favourites. so yeah, they're names. nella they're the biggest names. nella rose not quite rose as well. maybe not quite a familiar name with a lot of the older viewers, but my 12 year older viewers, but my 12 year old for example , texted old niece, for example, texted me yesterday, absolutely buzzing that on the show. i that nella was on the show. so i think as far as she's concerned, that nella was on the show. so i think going as she's concerned, that nella was on the show. so i think going to she's concerned, that nella was on the show. so i think going to bee's concerned, that nella was on the show. so i think going to be tappingerned, that nella was on the show. so i think going to be tapping into , she's going to be tapping into a lot of the younger audience as far the celebrities are far as the other celebrities are concerned, of them the concerned, half of them did the traditional walk the plank stunt, which was on the gold coast. here am . they walked off coast. here am. they walked off a diving board on the edge of one of the tallest buildings in a diving board on the edge of one gold |e tallest buildings in a diving board on the edge of one gold coast,�*st buildings in a diving board on the edge of one gold coast, and jildings in a diving board on the edge of one gold coast, and the ngs in a diving board on the edge of one gold coast, and the restin a diving board on the edge of one gold coast, and the rest of the gold coast, and the rest of them, including nigel's. well, what hope will his what we hope will be his archenemy in the show , staunch archenemy in the show, staunch remainer, sirieix, the remainer, fred sirieix, the match today from tv's first

date. he parachute into the gold coast. so yeah, it's teeing up to be a spicy series and as said nigel the big star of the show. one good thing that we have confirmed for nigel i said to him before he went in the jungle, i said, nige, i'm concerned about your your smoking. what are you going to do? and it has been confirmed that itv, series, that itv, for this series, they've allowed him to go off camera for a whenever he camera for a fag whenever he wants and producers are wants one. and producers are armed with scores and potentially even hundreds of packets of his favourite cigarettes. so . he will be able cigarettes. so. he will be able to smoke after all those strenuous tasks and calendars. >> what about drink though, ben ? >> what about drink though, ben? >> what about drink though, ben? >> yeah, he's not going to be able to drink. and he did say before he went in that he had been training himself for, for no booze and even even no coffee and no caffeine. and actually he said it was the caffeine that was the worst thing. by the way, he also said wasn't going to he also said he wasn't going to smoke, he was planning smoke, but then he was planning at airport with at brisbane airport with a cigarette of his

cigarette coming out of his mouth. yeah , he didn't quite mouth. so, yeah, he didn't quite stick to that maybe he'd stick to that one. maybe he'd had he was able to had word that he was able to have a puff courtesy of the producers terms of the series producers in terms of the series coming up, we've got evictions coming up, we've got evictions coming a week, sunday. so from now until next week, there'll be trial after trial and you've got to say, nigel will probably be doing most of them . doing most of them. >> and ben, if he's for in the full duration, he gets to the final. how long will that be? >> so the final is on december the 10th, which is , is, um, the 10th, which is, is, um, that's 2 or 3 weeks from today. if my math is right. so like said, the, the bookies think he's going to make it. josie gibson gibson's up there. sam thompson from maiden chelsea's another one. and the one i'm looking really forward to is his his third co—favourite fred's fred sirieix, who if you looked at his twitter from years ago, he's a french citizen living in britain. swathes of tweets

laying into nigel farage, calling him a coward, money obsessed , loves the sound of his obsessed, loves the sound of his own voice. so i think producers of the show are really hoping that perhaps nigel and fred lock horns and clash in quite epic fashion as the week roll along. well we shall see. >> ben, we've we're going to chronicle it all, of course , chronicle it all, of course, from from you. i mean, ben, what will you be actually doing from there? as every night ? are you there? as every night? are you going to be chronicling what he's been up to giving us a blow by blow account ? yeah . by blow account? yeah. >> so i'm going to be gb news man on the ground here in australia on the sunny gold coast. i'll be doing live hits from breakfast through to the afternoon through to prime time at and hopefully back with you guys again next week on the saturday five. if you tune in saturday five. so if you tune in to breakfast tomorrow morning, we should have more we should have some more information nigel's trial. information about nigel's trial. but at the moment are but all eyes at the moment are on tomorrow night's big launch. we've waited weeks for this . the we've waited weeks for this. the papers have talked about it for so long. nigel was umming and

ahhing long now these ahhing for so long now these fresh dropped. i fresh pictures have dropped. i don't we can those don't know if we can see those again. nigel looking again. that one of nigel looking revolting has had me in stitches all morning. those all morning. but now those pictures it's pictures have dropped. it's here. it's kind of like here. it's. it's kind of like christmas. you've waited so long for it. and finally it's here. so it should be an epic couple of right? of weeks, right? >> and then so, i mean, if >> yeah. and then so, i mean, if we think about series in the past , this is reportedly and past, this is reportedly and obviously we're not privy to this information, but it's reportedly record fee. reportedly a record fee. >> why do you think it is that they've been hounding nigel for years, is trying to get him on what is it about nigel farage that's so appealing to them ? that's so appealing to them? well well, he's like marmite, isn't he? >> i mean, people like you and me who supported brexit. we love him because he single handedly . him because he single handedly. for more than two decades, worked on that single life mission. and you can't argue that whether you support brexit or not, nigel has principles. he had one mission. he stuck by it for decades and he pretty much

single handedly delivered it for the remainers or the remainers, as i like to call them. a lot of people don't like me using that phrase, but come on, they are remoaners. they they just they hate what he's done with brexit and forcing the uk out of the european union. one key thing as well i forgot to mention nigel a couple of days ago. finally had a chance to learn of david cameron's appointment as foreign secretary. foreign secretary to government and rishi bringing him back a last gasp attempt to save the crumbling tory empire. as you'd expect, nigel laid into it, called it an absolute disgrace, and just said, look, this is the last roll of the dice for a really pathetic outfit that his government um, and also very crucially, he did give the biggest hint yet that after the jungle, regardless of how well he does , he is open for how well he does, he is open for a big return to politics. so some exciting news on that front as well . as well. >> absolutely right. ben lee oh, hang fire, because we're going to go to a break, but we want more from you live in australia.

yeah, you're with the saturday. five folks live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. let's go straight back over to australia . we've got our over to australia. we've got our very own ben leo positioned out there ready for nige to get stuck in ben. i want to talk about that image, if we can get that back up where nigel is looking. absolutely. well disgusted. i think is the word these exclusive images that have just been released from itv where he's actually doing his first trial and the shot that i'm talking about isn't this one. he looks very happy there. he looks less happy in this one where he's got his entire body stuck in this gunge or whatever it is there. that one there. ben, tell us what's going on. as you it, in this image

you understand it, in this image . we got ben leo so what they do is every week they'll throw little bits of red meat to tease, to tease the upcoming trial. >> so what they've told us from these images, i mean, these are explosive images. these are the first the first time we've seen nigel in action. after weeks and weeks of speculation of his participation in the show. but what we understand from itv is that they were taken to thousand miles into the australian northern territory. the outback scorching 40 degree heat and they were involved in some sort of slime animal guts and gunk challenge where they had to really get involved in yeah , really get involved in yeah, getting in the mix and getting getting in the mix and getting getting soaked and submerse in this horrible gunk and that one picture that has had me in stitches all morning of nigel as said a few minutes ago, it's as if he stepped into a bar full of remainers. he looks revolted and that picture is , i think, the that picture is, i think, the personification of nigel

realising what the hell he's got himself for . realising what the hell he's got himself for. in um, maybe the £1.5 million rumoured fee will will kind of soften the blow. but yeah , yeah. i think judging but yeah, yeah. i think judging by that, we're going to have a hilarious couple of weeks with nigel doing a lot of these challenges and really putting himself out of his comfort zone, which to be fair to him, he said he wanted to do. he said he wanted to show another side of himself to up to 10 million viewers of i'm a celebrity who he untapped part of he feels are an untapped part of the electorate. and his pre the electorate. and in his pre jungle interview a couple of days ago with the sun, he gave his biggest hint yet that this could be his big return to politics. so if he gets stuck into these challenges, he saw the nasty animal organs and gets dunkedin the nasty animal organs and gets dunked in slime and whatever else he could potentially win over vast swathes of the electorate that may have not given him a chance before. >> and ben, if it's really that traumatic, you know , 1.5 traumatic, you know, 1.5 million, that'll get you some

canny therapy. if it's that traumatic. but, you know, i actually do think that there's a point to be made here about reaching a new, younger audience, because guess what, ben, as you chronicle on this show and others there, they they're simply not hearing conservative minded ideas , are conservative minded ideas, are they ? they? >> well, yeah . i mean, it's fair >> well, yeah. i mean, it's fair to be i have sympathy for the younger generation these days because not a lot is going well for them. they can't get on the housing ladder. they're priced out of housing. inflation's absolutely crippled them. they've had a tory government which has pretty much let them down for the past 13 years and it feels like the world is against and they look at against them. and they look at their mums and dads and the boomers ahead of them who have had all these amazing opportunities the opportunities with with the housing market, with with housing market, with jobs, with the and it kind of the economy. and it kind of feels you know, what's feels like, you know, what's going them now. if they going for them now. so if they can if nigel can tap into that part of the electorate, the disillusion and youth, the kind of 18 to 35 year olds who will

tune into i'm a celebrity then he's got a massive opportunity to really do himself some good if he does choose to get back into politics, which is what he has hinted at all right, ben, we can look forward you can all look forward to you giving the daily scoop every day. >> so cheers very much, mate, for coming in tonight. and taking us through those images and as well. to our and cheers as well. to our guests tonight, the brilliant beunda guests tonight, the brilliant belinda de lucy and alex armstrong . now, next up, folks , armstrong. now, next up, folks, thank you to youtube as well. who are you? next up, it's the brilliant mark dolan. and cheers very much for watching. we'll see next week . but see you again next week. but here's your latest weather from craig. hello there. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well looking ahead to sunday, for most of us, we will see further rain. there will be a few brighter moments for and all be fairly mild . all it will be fairly mild. reason for the unsettled weather is huge area of low is this huge area of low pressure which not going to pressure which is not going to go as we through the go far as we go through the second of the weekend . note second half of the weekend. note the tightly packed isobars down towards south indicating

towards the south indicating it's to be pretty it's going to be pretty blustery. saturday, blustery. so as we end saturday, going the early hours of going into the early hours of sunday, relatively clear skies across england wales, across england and wales, initially have initially further north, we have further of rain and they further areas of rain and they will sink way south will sink their way south eastwards go through eastwards as we go through the course it's a mild course of the night. it's a mild one for all of us. temperatures stay in firmly in the positive territory and as i mentioned, it's going to be pretty blustery down towards the south—west, risk of some gales here as we go through sunday. really is through sunday. sunday really is a mixture of showers or longer spells of rain . some of the rain spells of rain. some of the rain could potentially be fairly heavy at times. best of any brightness probably up across eastern . southwestern eastern scotland. southwestern england up , too, england may well cheer up, too, as we go into the afternoon. but for most is a mild one. for most it is a mild one. temperatures may be a shade cooler than they have been today . onto monday, rain is . onto monday, further rain is in the forecast for much of the uk. maybe think a little bit dner uk. maybe think a little bit drier and brighter coming through for parts of eastern england and here actually winds may a little bit may well be a little bit lighter. further west, it's going to be another blustery day

. good news is tuesday and wednesday. does turn little wednesday. it does turn a little bit drier for some of us, but feeling a little bit

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