a key role in mediation played a key role in mediation dufing played a key role in mediation during the conflict . but more during the conflict. but more than 200 hostages were taken by hamas on the 7th of october. so far, four have been released . far, four have been released. people who live near new electricity pylons could stand to benefit by up to £10,000 over a decade . the government is set a decade. the government is set to announce the move to overcome planning objections and speed up the approval of new energy infrastructure. home owners could get £1,000 per year off their household bills, although their household bills, although the treasury hasn't specify where the money will come from . where the money will come from. many buses and electric vehicles have been sent to albania as part of a deal to return foreign prisoners. the arrangement will see 200 albanian nationals currently jailed in england and wales sent back home for the rest of their sentence . the uk rest of their sentence. the uk has also agreed to help modernise albania's prison system. the overall deal is expected to cost around £8 million, which the government says will save money for

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replica. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news. now it's time for. camilla >> good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show. we've got an epic show lined up for you today with the government's autumn statement expected on wednesday, setting out its spending plans for the next six months. i'm delighted to bring jeremy hunt, the chancellor and mp for west surrey, into mp for south west surrey, into the conversation now. lovely to see you morning, chancellor the conversation now. lovely to s l00k,j morning, chancellor the conversation now. lovely to s l00k,j |know1g, chancellor the conversation now. lovely to s l00k,j |know you've ncellor the conversation now. lovely to s l00k,j |know you've done»r . look, now i know you've done various broadcast where various broadcast rounds where you've say what's you've refused to say what's happening on wednesday. there's been talk of you cutting iht. how about unfreezing these tax bands? how about unfreezing these tax bands.7 you can't be happy about the idea of people on 40,000 or above. some of them might be teachers, some of them might be

nurses fiscally nurses actually being fiscally dragged into paying more tax. it's a stealth tax and it needs to stop, doesn't it .7 to stop, doesn't it.7 >> well, good morning, camilla. obviously, i'm not going to talk about the measures that i'm going to be announcing to parliament on wednesday because i announce those to i have to announce those to parliament first. rightly parliament first. and rightly so. is a very big so. but there is a very big dividing line between us and the labour party on tax , and i'm labour party on tax, and i'm really pleased you've mentioned it do believe that if it because i do believe that if we're to a dynamic, we're going to be a dynamic, thriving, energetic , fizzing thriving, energetic, fizzing economy, we need low tax and we need taxes to be lower than they are at the moment. and the reason i believe that is if you look around the world, most look around the world, the most dynamic, successful at dynamic, successful economies at the are in north america the moment are in north america and asia, where they tend to have lower taxes. so i do. >> but our tax burden. >> but our tax burden. >> i'm only going to do it in a our burden is the highest our tax burden is the highest since the second world war. >> i mean, i'm people watching this chancellor will be staring at the television and listening to the radio in disbelief. taxes

have never been higher than under this conservative government. you talk about laboun government. you talk about labour. there was polling in the mail yesterday to suggest that most people in this country now think are the party think that labour are the party of competence . of economic competence. >> well, the truth is and you know, there's no getting around this taxes have gone up in nearly all countries and our taxes are still lower than places like france or germany and italy because we've had a once in a century pandemic of a 19705 once in a century pandemic of a 1970s style oil shock. but the difference is that we do want to bnng difference is that we do want to bring them down in and labour put up taxes in every single one of their 13 budgets concert lives, cut taxes when we responsibly we can. so let me tell you, i'm not going to tell you what measures i'm going to do, but let me tell you my approach. first of all, we're not going to do anything irresponsible particular by which i mean anything that fuels inflation, because we had a big victory tree last week when we delivered the prime minister's pledge halve inflation. when pledge to halve inflation. when

he and i came to office, it was over now it's 4.6. people over 11. now it's 4.6. people watching at home, their number one concern, they say in poll after poll, is the cost of living crisis. this makes a difference . so we're going to do difference. so we're going to do this responsibly and then the second thing is my priority on wednesday is growth, because having made good progress on inflation, we can move to the next part of our plan, which is to unlock much higher levels of growth. and i will say this to you, camilla, because i know you've you've written about this before. there is far too much negative city pessimism and declinism about the british economy. we have got a lot going for us. i'll give you one example. we have got a technology sector that's the third biggest in the world after the united states and china. technology is going to shape all of our lives. we do it really well. so if we're going to get taxes down, growing the economy is part of the solution, but it's also part of the way that

we can afford to get taxes down as well. >> you talk about kind of the talk of declinism. that's not necessarily coming from the general it's coming from necessarily coming from the generallike it's coming from necessarily coming from the generallike former coming from necessarily coming from the generallike former bankng from necessarily coming from the generallike former bank of from people like former bank of england governor mark carney and others, ex treasury others, perhaps even ex treasury officials seem to have officials that seem to have wanted up in the wanted to keep tax up in the first you've talked in first place. you've talked in general inflation. i've general about inflation. i've never been able to understand why can claim the why the government can claim the rewards inflation rewards of bringing inflation down, not take down, but not take responsibility it going up . responsibility for it going up. >> well, we all know why it went up. you know, we had the invasion of ukraine and a massive spike in energy prices and food prices globally. when you're faced with 11.1% inflation, as rishi sunak and i were when we arrived in downing street, the government does have to take very difficult decisions alongside the bank of england to bnng alongside the bank of england to bring it down. now, what i had to do a year ago in a frankly very, very difficult autumn statement for a conservative chancellor is i had to put some taxes up. i had to cut spending.

yeah. because i had to get borrowing under control because you can't get inflation down if you're pumping money into the economy. that actually fuels higher prices . so we've had to higher prices. so we've had to play higher prices. so we've had to play our part in the government to get to where we've got to. and we don't want to throw that away we've made such good away now. we've made such good progress, some people progress, although some people might their heads might be scratching their heads wondering earth you wondering how on earth you promote charging promote growth by charging businesses 6% more on their corporation tax bills. >> why would you set up a business in the uk today when you're tied up in red tape , you're tied up in red tape, you're tied up in red tape, you're paying more corporation tax and business rates. why would you .7 well you were talking would you.7 well you were talking about tax would you? well you were talking about tax thresholds going up in the beginning of this interview. >> you, camilla. and when i took those decisions on tax, i thought it was fair that the pain was evenly balanced amongst businesses and amongst individuals . you know, i wanted individuals. you know, i wanted to spread those difficult decisions fairly. but i do

actually agree with you that one of the most important things for us as a country is to make sure that our taxes are competitive in an area that doesn't, frankly win you any votes, but is very important, which is business taxes. we need businesses from all over the world to say, the uk a great place to set up uk is a great place to set up a business, a great place to invest , and business, a great place to invest, and you'll be hearing lots from on wednesday about lots from me on wednesday about how remove barriers to how we can remove barriers to business them business investment. one of them we've today actually we've announced today actually we're going to completely overhaul rules overhaul the planning rules because and because i meet businesses up and down country who say it just down the country who say it just takes a ridiculous amount of time planning approval. time to get planning approval. we're going say if local we're going to say if local authorities their authorities don't meet their statutory timelines, they give businesses back and businesses the money back and they still and they process the application free of charge. so we going to a lot of we are going to do a lot of things that i hope will make a big difference. they might want 6% back off their profit margins , appreciate , chancellor, but i appreciate the and good luck on wednesday. >> we'll be watching with interest. thank joining interest. thank you for joining me morning .

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radio . radio. >> let's bring in darren jones into the conversation now. he's the chief secretary to the treasury for the shadow frontbench. he's rachel reeves deputy, effectively. mr jones, lovely to see you this morning. i'm not sure if you were able to hear what mr hunt was saying there. let's talk about labour's better off plan. i've got this press release in front of me. mr jones, you're saying that, first of make people better of all, you'd make people better off by £500 a year by insulating homes to make them more energy efficient? i can't quite understand the maths behind that, jones , who's paying that, mr jones, who's paying for the insulated and. the homes to be insulated and. >> well, good morning. the £500 a year saving doesn't come actually from the labour party. it comes from the energy company e.on. in evidence that they submitted to parliament. because obviously if you are able to insulate your the heat insulate your home, the heat that you produce predominantly via gas boiler, but maybe via other means , stays in your house

other means, stays in your house for longer and you use less energy and so low . energy and so low. >> but you're saying that the taxpayer themselves will have to put the initial outlay for the insulation that they're paying for the insulation in order to save £500 further down the line ? save £500 further down the line? >> it will depend on your circumstances. so the government already is doing insulation work in council houses, for example , in council houses, for example, and housing association houses . and housing association houses. we think they should be doing more of that more quickly, but already existing. >> you're also saying that people can save £900 a year by building cheaper , cleaner power building cheaper, cleaner power across the country through the creation of great british energy. again, how much is the creation of great british energy going to cost? mrjones ? going to cost? mr jones? >> well, again, it depends on the type of technology. but what we do know from the past year is that if you're relying on importing gas, fossil fuels from countries overseas where there could be war or other things that happen, then the price can go through the roof. that's why people's energy bills have been

so expensive in the past year. whereas if you have energy based here in the united kingdom that's renewable, that maybe is nuclear, the price is more stable, it's lower. >> i get all that. no, i understand . but how are you understand. but how are you going to pay for the cost of building cheaper, cleaner power across the country ? and how much across the country? and how much will it cost ? will it cost? >> well, let me give you some illustrative examples. nuclear for example, is an important part of the energy mix. hinkley point c has been paid for under the existing government. they've put some investment into sizewell c the rest of that money will have to be private sector investment. that's an example of where in the. >> have you got a price tag on how much this costs? so if labouris how much this costs? so if labour is in power, how much are they going to set aside for the great british energy project? >> oh, i see. camilla. what? i can't give you a per can't do is give you a per project price per technology project price for per technology across country because has across the country because has it been costed all our it been costed all of our policies are costed. but what gb energy is, is a publicly owned company that will do deals with

the private sector under a labour government to ensure that we're building as much home grown as possible. grown energy as possible. >> okay. you've also promised in this release a crackdown this press release a crackdown on unfair insurance on unfair car insurance practices like subscription traps and unfair postcode pricing. you're saying that motorists will save 400 a year, but surely motorists are being charged more for their insurance because of the rising cost of claims, the rising cost of repairs and indeed labour shortages. so what difference will it make if you do something about auto renewal? well >> well, the subscription trap that many of your viewers will be familiar with is when you sign up to a product and it automatically renews probably normally a year after you signed up to it. and people have got busy lives and they might miss an email or a message or they might not even be told that it's renewing a new price and we say the action should be taken to prevent that from happening. people be given proper people should be given proper advance ability advance notice and the ability to be able to find better priced

products in other. >> i get that too . i >> no, i get that too. i understand problem with auto understand the problem with auto renewal. victim renewal. we've all fallen victim to what i'm saying is to it. but what i'm saying is it's going touch the it's not going to touch the sides is it? if insurance prices keep on up because of the keep on going up because of the rising cost of repairs and labour shortages is so it's just a sort of you're making a statement about auto renewal. what difference going to what difference is that going to make? why insurance make? that's not why insurance bills going up. bills are going up. >> me give you some >> well, let me give you some advice. if your insurance product comes to and you product comes to an end and you ring your insurance provider, ring up your insurance provider, yeah, no, i know. ring up your insurance provider, yea buto, i know. ring up your insurance provider, yea but no, know. ring up your insurance provider, yeabut no, i'verv. ring up your insurance provider, yea but no, i've not i've not >> but no, i've not i've not told you the point. >> you telling me, you know, let me the sentence. me just finish the sentence. when call the insurance when you call up the insurance provider hey, i can get provider and say, hey, i can get this at a cheaper price with another provider, can another insurance provider, can you a deal every single you do me a deal every single time say yes and lower time they say yes and they lower the clearly they can the price they clearly they can afford. i get i get the point about auto renewal, but what i'm saying i've anecdotal saying is and i've had anecdotal evidence only really in evidence of this only really in the couple of weeks across the last couple of weeks across the last couple of weeks across the board, insurance prices are going because rising cost going up because the rising cost of repairs and indeed labour shortages insurance shortages mean that insurance companies up premiums.

>> so, yeah, renewal might >> so, yeah, auto renewal might help but £400 a help a little bit, but £400 a year probably being ambitious year is probably being ambitious if insurance costs if exponentially insurance costs keep rising. let's move on to keep on rising. let's move on to the next point . 1200 a year the next point. 1200 a year could come off mortgage bills by building 1.5 million homes over parliament. this one is just confused me because keir starmer stance on building has confused me. back in 2021, he talked about the tories proposed planning reforms as being a quote , developer's charter . then quote, developer's charter. then at conference he effectively suggested build dozing through planning laws and local planning laws to build these 1.5 million homes. so is he nimby or nimby. >> i don't think i can remember what nimby stands for. yimbys. yes. isn't it? yes. yes. >> in my backyard versus no, in my backyard . my backyard. >> got it. got it. forgive me. not knowing the slang, but look. yes, we are for housebuilding because we know there are not enough houses. there are not enough houses. there are not enough affordable houses across the . that has an impact

the country. that has an impact not people who not just on people who are in a position to buy their first home, but for people who are in the market where the the rental market where the price has been up price of rent has been going up and up year after year. one of the best ways can tackle the best ways you can tackle increasing costs of living is to be able to build more affordable homes in our country. and we make no apologies for saying that that. that we will do that. >> okay. can i just have a general overview of labour's approach to the economy? the approach to the economy? if the time comes that you're actually in appreciate in power, appreciate you don't want specifics you want to give specifics and you haven't with your haven't come up with your manifesto all the rest of manifesto and all the rest of it, but in principle, do you envisage cutting envisage labour cutting taxes and ? ang well , and cutting spending? ang well, answer your three questions in that in that question. >> firstly, our approach to the economy is anchored on getting the economy growing because we've not had growth we've not had economic growth for many, many years now . and for many, many years now. and that means that you don't have businesses making profits. your workers isn't going up, and workers pay isn't going up, and the amount of revenue coming into the treasury is not keeping up with costs. so you have to be

anchored trying to grow the anchored in trying to grow the economy. can talk about that economy. we can talk about that more like the second more if you'd like to the second point you mentioned there point that you mentioned there is taxes. we've said in point that you mentioned there is labouraxes. we've said in point that you mentioned there is labour partyne've said in point that you mentioned there is labour party that; said in point that you mentioned there is labour party that we id in point that you mentioned there is labour party that we want the labour party that we want the labour party that we want the come down on the tax burden to come down on working people. it's the highest it since the second it has been since the second world war. we've had 25 conservative rises this conservative tax rises in this parliament alone, but we can only announce those tax cuts when they can be fully funded. and if the chancellor is going to announce a tax cut on wednesday, we're going to be looking at how he's been able to get money to pay for that get the money to pay for that happen. third part of get the money to pay for that happquestion, third part of get the money to pay for that happquestion, whichd part of get the money to pay for that happquestion, which wasrt of get the money to pay for that happquestion, which was around your question, which was around pubuc your question, which was around public spending, of public sector spending, one of the there is that the key things there is that even though the chancellor has been taking more money us been taking more money from us than our than ever before, all of our pubuc than ever before, all of our public services are on their knees. so there's a huge question how reform question about how we reform and modernise so modernise our public services so that better for people that they are better for people that they are better for people that rely on them, but that they're also more cost effective to run in the long run. and on all three those issues is all three of those issues is pubuc all three of those issues is public reform, tax and public sector reform, tax and growing economy. these are growing the economy. these are difficult, complicated issues. the ran out the tories have clearly ran out of ran out of steam,

of energy and ran out of steam, and that's confident and that's why we're confident that incoming labour that an incoming labour government ideas and government with new ideas and new energy will be able to turn that around because of course rachel had rachel reeves has had to slightly water your green slightly water down your green prosperity pledge. >> 28 billion for five >> that's 28 billion for five years for this new green prosperity plan, she said she had to water that down because of the current economic climate or the climate you might inherit next year is. but at the same time, of course, 28 billion over the course of five years is adding a lot of to money the national debt, isn't it? how is that affordable you're that affordable if you're worried how you're going worried about how you're going to the idea of tax to balance up the idea of tax cuts and indeed spending cuts with pledge of that magnitude ? with a pledge of that magnitude? >> sure. so all of our plans are subject to our fiscal rules. that's why rachel has said that after liz truss and kwasi kwarteng crashed the economy and the cost of borrowing went through we would have through the roof, we would have to more constrained in what to be more constrained in what we would be able to do in government. that's as a consequence of the conservatives failure on the economy. the

second thing to say is there is a between the a difference between what the conservatives done in conservatives have done in government, which is to take on debt to up their failure debt to cover up their failure because they can't get the economy can't economy growing and they can't fix services . is that fix our public services. is that is to our green is different to our green prosperity which where prosperity plan, which is where we thing alongside we are investing thing alongside business. and we think that for every £1 of taxpayers money, we can out of the private can get £3 out of the private sector for to build the infrastructure, the energy infrastructure, the energy infrastructure, of infrastructure, the jobs of tomorrow, that will help tomorrow, because that will help get the economy growing. and in the run, that investment the long run, that investment will paid off by the will then be paid off by the private sector the taxes private sector through the taxes that they contribute to the treasury as a consequence of having a profitable business in treasury as a consequence of hav country, �*fitable business in treasury as a consequence of hav country, inable business in treasury as a consequence of hav country, in ans business in treasury as a consequence of hav country, in an economy; in treasury as a consequence of hav country, in an economy that our country, in an economy that is growing . is growing. >> you're not going to be >> but you're not going to be worried that level of worried about that level of borrowing doesn't borrowing when it doesn't look like rates to like interest rates are going to come down any time soon. i appreciate who you're attributing them attributing blame to for them going in the first place, but going up in the first place, but at moment we've got the bank at the moment we've got the bank of other experts of england and other experts talking 5% rate talking about that 5% rate flatlining time to flatlining for some time to come. therefore it's not going to be cheap to borrow this 28 billion a year. >> yeah, as i said, they're all

subject to our fiscal rules and we don't know what the economic environment the point environment will be at the point that that the election is that we that the election is called we'll need called next year. and we'll need to what it looks like then. to see what it looks like then. but all of our decisions are all of our policies should say sorry, are fully costed and subject fiscal rules. subject to our fiscal rules. everything done everything we do will be done responsibly. jones, responsibly. okay darren jones, thank you very much indeed for joining this morning.

radio. now kwasi kwarteng, the former chancellor and business secretary, tory mp for spelthorne , joins me now in the studio. >> kwasi , lovely to see you this >> kwasi, lovely to see you this morning. to see you. is it a bit triggering to watch another chancellor prepare an autumn statement ? statement? >> i think that it's something which is a custom in the house and i'm looking forward to hear what he says. >> if you were him, what would you do on wednesday? because we've had him on this morning and as is ever the custom , um,

and as is ever the custom, um, we've what's autumn we've said what's in the autumn statement told statement only to be told i can't tell you what's in the autumn statement till wednesday, which makes mockery of which rather makes a mockery of these chancellors doing the broadcast anyway, broadcast round. but anyway, what do? he's what would you do? because he's coming pressure from coming under heavy pressure from backbenchers and indeed the country business owners to country and business owners to bnng country and business owners to bring down. bring taxes down. >> so look, having been in that position and we've had this debate , i think the one debate a lot, i think the one thing he's got to realise is that is quite a long that a year is quite a long time. so all i would say about this is that i don't see how he can go into the budget next year and not give some sort of tax cuts. we can't go into an election in saying we're going cuts. we can't go into an el

that. >> are they low tax conservative? >> well, they've got to show in reality statement reality that statement astonishing. well, the taxes haven't yet. and haven't come down yet. and they've given the. haven't come down yet. and the doe given the. haven't come down yet. and the doe giv appreciate the >> do you appreciate the incredulity audience incredulity of our audience listening to jeremy hunt going we're tax conservatives. we're low tax conservatives. well, way of well, you've got a funny way of showing it. yeah. >> think you say, you know, >> i think if you say, you know, you're doing your thing, you're doing your one thing, you've show that you're you've got to show that you're that you mean business in that regard. and understand the regard. and i understand the caution understand caution and i totally understand that. experience it. what i that. i experience it. what i did last year and was arguably a lack of forward planning . but at lack of forward planning. but at the same time, i do think that he has to he has to cut taxes. >> but doesn't he need to? i know what you're saying about there needs to be tax cuts before the next general election. he needs to show a bit of leg on wednesday, doesn't he? there's him now of leg on wednesday, doesn't he? there's£26 him now of leg on wednesday, doesn't he? there's£26 billion1im now of leg on wednesday, doesn't he? there's£26 billion more)w of leg on wednesday, doesn't he? there's£26 billion more fiscal having £26 billion more fiscal headroom and the headroom can change. >> i mean, that was one of the issues that we had last year, was that it was they said it was a 72 black billion black hole. and it was obvious to me, given the fact that we had a bit of fiscal drag inflation was high,

that that figure would have that that that figure would have changed and it changed in the new year. and it did. this year, the 72 did. yes. this year, the 72 billion changed into billion hole changed into a surplus. they're saying surplus. now they're saying it's a . who knows what a surplus. who knows what will happen headroom happen next year? the headroom could easily could could just as easily vanish year. okay. as vanish next year. okay. as appear year. appear this year. >> what's most >> so what's the most politically expedient for politically expedient thing for him to in your mind? there's him to do in your mind? there's obviously him maybe obviously reports of him maybe cutting. i'd i'm sure the left andindeed cutting. i'd i'm sure the left and indeed the observer have said a tax cut for the said it's a tax cut for the rich. doesn't affect that rich. it doesn't affect that many anyway your many people anyway. what's your theory think theory on that? so i think you've got to do what you think is right. >> i mean, that's one the >> i mean, that's one of the reasons why think we wanted to reasons why i think we wanted to reduce business taxes and business you really business taxes. you never really win but you do actually win votes, but you do actually improve conditions. win votes, but you do actually imjactually conditions. win votes, but you do actually imjactually generate nditions. win votes, but you do actually imjactually generate investment . do actually generate investment. and that's very and i think that's very important . and that's why, you important. and that's why, you know, a country like ireland i remember president remember the president of ireland that was ireland telling me that that was the successful policy the most successful policy they'd in 30 years. they'd had in 30 years. >> so why isn't the >> exactly. so why why isn't the current government aping it? i mean, we talked about all of this post brexit opportunity corporation tax now there corporation tax now up there with france germany . he's with france and germany. he's saying we've got lower taxes

than these european nations, but that's hardly of marker that's hardly a sort of marker to live by, is it? >> that's right. and he himself said the countries >> that's right. and he himself said or the countries >> that's right. and he himself said or the the countries >> that's right. and he himself said or the areas the countries >> that's right. and he himself said or the areas that countries >> that's right. and he himself said or the areas that were tries that or the areas that were impressive were north america and and that was what, and asia. and that was what, jeremy, where taxes are lower where are lower. and where taxes are lower. and i think that's we've got to go. >> what do you think about this idea businesses are saddled idea that businesses are saddled with much red tape, with too with too much red tape, with too much tax? this refusal to reform or back the ir35 or bring back the ir35 situation, the vat on luxury goods seems like a spectre own goal goods seems like a spectre own goal. that's right. are these some of the things that should be unravelled? well we tried to get rid of them and sort that out in the in the in the mini—budget >> and then of course jeremy was brought in essentially to reverse we did. and reverse everything we did. and my the time that we my view at the time was that we were the baby out with were throwing the baby out with the bathwater. yes, there were some you could some things that you could modify, throw out modify, but to throw out everything was wrong signal. >> take us inside the treasury. okay. he turns around to treasury the treasury officials, the so—called been so—called blob that has been spoken about for decades and says , i'd like to cut this. i'd

says, i'd like to cut this. i'd like to cut that. i'd like to alter this. what then happens, you've been there. does the treasury just push back on all this stuff? no, they don't. >> what they'll do is they'll they'll look at a model and they'll look at a model and they'll say, chancellor, you they'll say, chancellor, if you cut tax , this means that cut this tax, this means that you've got fund , you know, you've got to fund, you know, it's a black hole of 8 billion. so that was the thing that the obr looked at. and they they kind of mark your homework and the way their models work mean that every tax you reduce creates means that you have to spend more money. yes. they don't believe in any sense of incentivising the economy . so if incentivising the economy. so if you were to argue, look, we're going to reduce corporation tax to attract investment , that's to attract investment, that's not argument that they they not an argument that they they find particularly. >> so you tried to circumvent event obr precisely because >> so you tried to circumvent evenwas obr precisely because >> so you tried to circumvent evenwas obiwascisely because >> so you tried to circumvent evenwas obiwascisethat cause >> so you tried to circumvent evenwas obiwascise that was e that was that was the that was the rationale. but then we're back to square one because it strikes me and this was liz truss's argument, okay. that actually you and pull on actually you try and pull on levers then you've got the levers and then you've got the civil service pulling the civil service pulling on the lever in the opposite direction. >> actually a bit

>> so my view actually is a bit more than that. i think more nuanced than that. i think there is way in which you can there is a way in which you can square the obe and reduce taxes there is a way in which you can squtyou've obe and reduce taxes there is a way in which you can squtyou've got and reduce taxes there is a way in which you can squtyou've got tord reduce taxes there is a way in which you can squtyou've got to haveiuce taxes there is a way in which you can squtyou've got to haveiucehonest and you've got to have an honest conversation about spending cuts. you've got to present conversation about spending cutstwo you've got to present conversation about spending cutstwo together. |ot to present conversation about spending cutstwo together. that'siresent conversation about spending cutstwo together. that's whynt the two together. that's why i've said a i've always said i'm not a reaganite. i don't believe actually ultimate that you just can taxes without showing can reduce taxes without showing what your you're spending. >> but then didn't take our >> but then you didn't take our advice. we didn't. that advice. no, we didn't. and that was mistake. was a mistake. >> looking back , that >> i think looking back, that was mistake. was a mistake. >> though the obr >> but even though the obr doesn't seem to have predicted anything correctly years, anything correctly in years, that thing. that was the thing. >> the issue. >> so you look the issue. >> so you look the issue. >> it a mistake or not? >> so is it a mistake or not? should we be listening to the obr not? should we be listening to the obiso not? should we be listening to the obiso what i think was wrong >> so what i think was wrong about last year was we were incredibly bold and then we capitulated. what are capitulated. that was what are you you'll regret is that you saying you'll regret is that you saying you'll regret is that you didn't just steamroller through, markets through, even though the markets were mad. didn't have were going mad. i didn't have a say. i mean, i was sacked, so yeah, okay. so i didn't have a say. >> what do you think that truss should have held her nerve? >> i think i think it was interesting how if you look at last two prime ministers last year, two prime ministers fell. left half his

fell. boris left after half his government resigned and liz government had resigned and liz left after seven weeks because his markets were very jittery, totally understand that. and it was just interesting the way in which i think boris clung on, you know, perhaps a little too long, say, and liz long, people might say, and liz capitulated after seven weeks. interesting contrast . interesting contrast. >> you talk about boris johnson clinging on for too long. >> people say that he did. >> people say that he did. >> i mean, will people say that rishi sunak's the same? no. rishi sunak's done the same? no. look rishi sunak is in a look i think rishi sunak is in a very difficult situation. >> you've got to remember >> and you've got to remember that jeremy wasn't that jeremy hunt wasn't appointed jeremy hunt appointed by him. jeremy hunt was liz truss. was appointed by liz truss. >> and apparently, according to lord ashcroft's book, we mentioned this earlier with anna rishi turned around and rishi sunak, turned around and said, to keep hunt said, oh, do i have to keep hunt as chancellor and they were like, yeah, because you're going to spook the markets if you don't. you that don't. so do you think that jeremy hunt rishi sunak's jeremy hunt is rishi sunak's ideal chancellor? >> think they've got >> look, i think they've got a good working relationship. >> not ideal. >> he's not ideal. >> he's not ideal. >> state a fact that most >> let's state a fact that most prime ministers choose their own chancellor he chancellor and he didn't and he didn't. you know, didn't. so that's, you know, that's enough said. i mean, it's

jeremy safe. jeremy hunt's position safe. >> if it goes wrong on wednesday? >> i think it is. i think it is. m >> i think it is. i think it is. ithink i >> i think it is. i think it is. i think i mean, look, having lived that experience myself and i think i mean, look, having lieven hat experience myself and i think i mean, look, having lieven saidexperience myself and i think i mean, look, having lieven said thatience myself and i think i mean, look, having lieven said thatien liznyself and i think i mean, look, having lieven said thatien liz truss: and i even said that to liz truss last year, i think once for whatever reason, the prime minister his or her minister gets rid of his or her chancellor, think it becomes chancellor, i think it becomes their position, becomes more under pressure. their position, becomes more unclet's pressure. their position, becomes more unclet's paboute. return >> let's talk about the return of cameron and your of lord cameron and your reaction to him turning up and down. capable. down. he's a very capable. >> surprised. i was very >> i was surprised. i was very surprised. >> bit regressive, isn't it? >> bit regressive, isn't it? >> it was odd that someone >> well, it was odd that someone who says that he's a changed candidate brought back candidate brought someone back who annuity. candidate brought someone back wh(cameron,uity. candidate brought someone back wh(cameron, who hadn't been >> cameron, who hadn't been in office years. office for seven years. >> side, david is >> but that aside side, david is a capable politician. he's a very capable politician. he's a very capable politician. he's a serious international a skilful, serious international figure , and i think he'll do a figure, and i think he'll do a good job, although do you agree with george osborne's analysis of the situation that lord cameron is now the most cameron is now the second most senior government ? i senior person in government? i think being think george is being mischievous because , mean, mischievous because, i mean, how can someone house of can someone in the house of lords doesn't answer to lords who doesn't answer to ministers in the house of commons, mps in the house of commons, mps in the house of commons, how could they the commons, how could they be the most important person? >> well, that's a good raise

>> well, that's a good you raise an interesting point. is lack of accountability a problem here with know, with this appointment? you know, he's not going be answerable he's not going to be answerable in commons . he's not going to be answerable in commons. there's talk he's not going to be answerable in putting ns . there's talk he's not going to be answerable in putting him,'here's talk he's not going to be answerable in putting him,'here's tihim about putting him, making him have political scrutiny have more political scrutiny because he'll have to speak to the select committee. but it's all a bit opaque, this, isn't it? look think was an it? look i think it was an unusual step. >> i understand rishi and >> i understand why rishi and the team around him thought it was idea. i'm sure you'll was a good idea. i'm sure you'll get richard he will have get richard tyson. he will have views on the return of cameron and david cameron. but i. i and of david cameron. but i. i understand why rishi has done the job. but is he going to start lobbying jeremy hunt for more start lobbying jeremy hunt for mo we know he had an absolute >> we know he had an absolute obsession this nought point obsession with this nought point 7% of gdp target and it's gone down to 0.5. if he starts lobbying, hunt for more foreign aid money, which isn't particularly popular with our audience , it's not least in audience, it's not least in a cost of living crisis. jeremy hunt should resist him, shouldn't he? i think he will. >> i think they're going to stick to the 0.5. i don't see how we're going to increase it to 0.7 we've got the to 0.7 when we've got the deficits that we should we should talk about suella

should we talk about suella braverman sure. braverman yeah, sure. >> did you think of the letter? >> i thought. i thought i'm afraid letter afraid i thought the letter damaged was too long. damaged her. it was too long. yeah. and was too. it was too yeah. and it was too. it was too emotional. >> you agree with any of it >> did you agree with any of it there? i think she magic thinking. >> yeah, well, magic. mean, >> yeah, well, magic. i mean, the that was the magical thinking that was a kind a loaded i think kind of a loaded phrase, i think she was. she had she has a lot of integrity, and i think she was trying. do. i think. was trying. yeah, i do. i think. why do you say that? because i think she was trying to solve a problem. yeah is dogged, problem. yeah that is dogged, you governments for you know, governments for the government yes. government for years. yes. and i think she is a very honest person. i know her. i regard person. i know her. i i regard her a friend. her as a friend. >> have you spoken to her since the letter? haven't. the letter? i haven't. >> but and i actually thought >> but i and i actually thought brent after her brent east ahead after her mother i know the mother did. so i know the family. yes. and have a lot of family. yes. and i have a lot of respect for her. but think the respect for her. but i think the letter was was was almost too much. know, best letters much. you know, the best letters are shorter ones. not not are the shorter ones. not not three pages better for the media for to be longer. well, for it to be longer. well, you've got to is this just you've got more to is this just naked of electioneering? naked kind of electioneering? >> personal behalf. she >> no. personal behalf. does she want the next leader of

want to be the next leader of the tories? want to be the next leader of the i'ories? want to be the next leader of thei think want to be the next leader of the i think they want to be the next leader of thei think they i think both >> i think they i think both rishi suella had a bit of rishi and suella had a bit of right think can see why right. i think i can see why rishi had rid of her rishi had to get rid of her because was openly because she was openly challenging. well, she was doing her essentially, her own thing essentially, but i can she was as resentful. >> the public agrees with her. you know, a lot of the polling, particularly the gb audience, agrees with immigration agrees with her on immigration and crackdown also agrees and the crackdown also agrees with her. by the way, on this idea bias. i mean , we idea of police bias. i mean, we see the situation with more marches place. saw the marches taking place. we saw the heavy nature of how heavy handed nature of how protesters at lockdown events were treated and indeed even people at a vigil for sarah everard. compared to now, people scrambling all over war memorial. i'm sorry if that isn't a breach of the peace. what is do you think the police are playing favourites? no no. >> so, so, so really, whether you think i'm going to say something, you know, slightly. we're controversial , but we're not controversial, but whether think the police whether you think the police are biased don't think biased or not, i don't think it's the place of the home secretary to voice openly. secretary to voice that openly. that the issue. i mean, that was the issue. i mean, having a secretary having been a secretary of state, you're dealing with

stakeholders. know, the stakeholders. you know, the education secretary deals with teachers . business teachers. as a business secretary. i've dealt with the energy or business energy sector or business sector. and i think generally , sector. and i think generally, any kind of criticism to a body like that would be behind closed doors. isn't she just standing up for her constituents and indeed the people that elected her to office? >> absolutely. she has to be somebody has to turn around to the met and question whether they biased. they are biased. >> be true, but don't >> that may be true, but i don't think it's a you know, it's think and it's a you know, it's a matter of interpretation. i don't think was job don't think it was her job as home secretary, frankly, to voice that openly as a backbencher who doesn't have a relationship met police relationship with the met police in that close proximity. >> do you think that they've been playing favourites? >> think when people >> i think i think when people look of decisions look at some of the decisions they make, people say, they make, i think people say, well, you know, why it that, well, you know, why is it that, you know , an edl has been you know, an edl march has been banned and then a pro hamas, which is a terrorist group . which is a terrorist group. >> i mean, are you saying the marches are pro hamas? not all of the marches are pro hamas , right? >> no, but some of them, some of

them, some of the placards you see are openly pro. but you're equating the pro—palestinian marches? >> no, not with the ones or >> no, not with the edl ones or not? no. all i'm i'm not? no. no. all i'm saying i'm saying they more heavy saying they were more heavy handed the edl than they handed with the edl than they should saying should have been. i'm saying with anti. okay. >> let me let me put it very broadly. some marches are banned outright. yeah. and others are allowed proceed. and all i'm allowed to proceed. and all i'm saying is that look at saying is that people look at that say, well, what's going that and say, well, what's going on? legitimate on? and that's a legitimate question a democracy . we all question in a democracy. we all i'm saying don't think i'm also saying is i don't think the secretary, who the home secretary, who ultimately for ultimately is responsible for the should necessarily be the met, should necessarily be criticising newspapers. criticising them in newspapers. it's to see some it's interesting to see some opinion polling. >> let's see opinium, which is usually carried by the left wing media. so it usually tends to favour left wing parties. however it says that labour's lead has dropped to 13 points. i mean, that's good news for the tories, but what you've been around the block a bit, if you don't mind me saying kwasi, what don't mind me saying kwasi, what do you think is going to happen next year? look, tory wipe out. >> so there are probably about

ten polling companies. yeah okay. and have slightly okay. and they all have slightly different methods and they all report numbers report different numbers of opinion tends to show opinion over time tends to show a slightly smaller gap between labour and the conservatives , labour and the conservatives, and other polls show slightly wider gaps. but all i can say is that the tory party , it faces that the tory party, it faces a real challenge next year. >> do you think mps are aware of that? because there's lots of people who walked into their seats in 2019 on the back of anyone but corbyn and boris and they didn't have to campaign that win, and that vociferously to win, and they're extraordinarily they're facing extraordinarily adverse circumstances now, aren't they? i mean, we just had jeremy hunt on. he might lose his yeah do you think it's his seat. yeah do you think it's going to be some kind of bloodbath? honest . bloodbath? no, be honest. >> i think i think i think potentially if things don't change, we're in very deep trouble. >> how seats do you think >> how many seats do you think you might lose? i do, are you might lose? i do, but are you might lose? i do, but are you about stonking you talking about a stonking labour majority you're talking about? what's your prediction? i know to make them, know it's hard to make them, but let's let's a go. let's have let's have a go. >> look, i think it's not over. and as i always say and i kept saying this, a year is a very

long time. yeah okay. but so and i to emphasise that point, i just to emphasise that point, theresa may was 20 points ahead of labour eight weeks before the election. was eight weeks election. that was eight weeks by day election, she by the day of the election, she was two points ahead. so was only two points ahead. so things could change very quickly. but you've me to quickly. but you've asked me to say i think now. i think as say what i think now. i think as it now looking at the numbers it is now looking at the numbers is it's always going to is i think it's always going to have real in their hands have a real job in their hands to try and get back into government drubbing. >> i i anything >> i think i think anything could happen, i think if we could happen, but i think if we don't together, don't get our act together, i think to have very think we're going to have a very difficult election. quick word on darren jones. i think you caught of the interview. caught some of the interview. i mean, he handled the questions caught some of the interview. i meanwell. iandled the questions caught some of the interview. i meanwell.iandlany1e questions caught some of the interview. i meanwell. iandlany surprise ons quite well. is it any surprise is punters, the voters is that the punters, the voters are describing the labour are now describing the labour party the party economic party as the party of economic competence? should the tories be doing attack labour doing more to attack labour on some? we will some? i mean, i think we will the media attack where the figures where the have figures where the figures have you this? but you're not you caused this? but you're not really taking gloss really taking the gloss off. >> all would say is and >> all i would say is and there's always a rush to do things bold and be things and be bold and be active. we've a before active. we've got a year before the election, i said, only the election, as i said, only six years ago, i remember we

were in a rush with the mini—budget last agree. look, i speak, put my hand up and say speak, i put my hand up and say it a real rush. yes, that it was a real rush. yes, that was one of the issues i and i think we could have staged things carefully. and things more carefully. and i've said repeatedly said that repeatedly over the last year. >> you're saying both that >> but you're saying both that you're in last chance saloon and you've they've got to act quickly, then that it's quickly, but then also that it's a marathon, not a sprint. >> what i've said is consistent. >> okay. i've said is that >> okay. what i've said is that we've got something before we've got to do something before the election. yeah, but the election away and election is a year away and they'll have another chance at the budget. >> all right. you very >> all right. thank you very much. no, it's very insightful. it's always great to you in it's always great to have you in the thank you very much the studio. thank you very much indeed. kwasi kwarteng

welcome back to the camilla tominey show. i've got disgruntled conservative catnip in the studio . richard tice, in the studio. richard tice, leader of the reform party and my gb news colleague joins me how. >> now. >> i've been described as all

sorts of things, but never catnip before. catnip for disgruntled tories. >> well, you are kind of, aren't you?i >> well, you are kind of, aren't you? i mean, i wrote an article about keir starmer solution. >> the catnip. >> well, let's see if you are the saviour. indeed. i wrote an article about keir starmer, and lots of people saying, lots of people were saying, don't tory, vote reform. so don't vote tory, vote reform. so just through are just run us through where are you what are your numbers you at? what are your numbers like? both kind of polling like? both kind of in polling terms, also membership. terms, but also membership. >> a significant >> so this was a significant week i'm grateful to week and i'm very grateful to the rishi sunak, the prime minister. rishi sunak, for he's doing for for everything he's doing for reform. we should on reform. we should put him on a commission deal. our members have to record have soared again to record numbers. week. numbers. this week. >> numbers what richard? >> don't the exact >> we don't give the exact number. come on, now. no, but i can tell you it's a record number. i know. we whisper it. >> don't worry. >> don't worry. >> i know. but no, i'm not going to give running commentary. to give a running commentary. just generally, but generally hundreds of thousands. >> first week. >> this is the first week. >> this is the first week. >> the first where >> this is the first week where we've had double digits in the polls you going to say polls for you going to say double double digits double digit, double digits in the four the membership. no. four separate have had a 10 or separate polls have had a 10 or 11, only eight points behind, 7. >> that's the first time, >> so that's the first time, only eight behind the

only eight points behind the conservative only eight points behind the conandative we are seeing >> and i think we are seeing essentially the sort of the dying days, potentially last dying days, potentially the last ever majority conservative government in my lifetime. having toxic people have having said toxic people have had enough. >> said that, if >> okay. having said that, if people vote for you, they're just going to split the vote on the right and you're to the right and you're going to just walk straight just let labour walk straight into 10, it's completely into number 10, it's completely the opposite. >> reform. now, camilla can >> only reform. now, camilla can stop labour, the tories have had their chance. we the right their chance. we did the right thing 19. we stood thing back in 19. we stood aside. we them get a big aside. we let them get a big seat. majority they've blown it. they've messed up. they should do thing. should do the right thing. they should stand take richard i >> -- >> don't -_ >> don't be ridiculous. that's not going to happen. >> who say we're going to >> those who say we're going to split vote on the right, split the vote on the right, if you're it, you you're worried about it, you can't vote for failure. you can't vote for failure. you can't you can't reward failure. you suggesting that tory mps should stand aside for reform ? um, stand aside for reform? um, well, they're all terrified that they're going lose their no. they're going to lose their no. lose seats. right but lose their seats. right but they're not going to do they all know they know they're going they're not going to do they all kn lose 1ey know they're going they're not going to do they all kn lose the know they're going they're not going to do they all kn lose the brand)w they're going they're not going to do they all kn lose the brand is they're going they're not going to do they all kn lose the brand is toxicre going they're not going to do they all kn lose the brand is toxic if going to lose the brand is toxic if they want to stop labour, they should thing, as we should do the right thing, as we did in 19. can beat keir

did back in 19. i can beat keir starmer. they can't, can you beat keir starmer? >> got to with 10 or >> you've got to head with 10 or 11 in the polls and the latest opinion i think the tories opinion puts, i think the tories on about at the moment on about 26. so at the moment you can't beat keir starmer, the conservatives improve conservatives if they improve things, more low things, if they become more low tax, they're not in a bit more tory, they're going the opposite direction. >> they're going down, the brand is going down. it's toxic. we're the party that has a the only party that has a serious plan to stop the boats, right? whole rwanda plan is right? the whole rwanda plan is completely failed . the chief completely failed. the chief minister of rwanda , it was never minister of rwanda, it was never going to work. so scrap rwanda, stop wasting time, money and effort. the only thing you can do is what australia did. you pick up you safely take back. we're do that under we're entitled to do that under international treaties. that's the that will stop the only thing that will stop the only thing that will stop the boats. labour won't stop the boats only reform uk . boats only reform uk. >> okay. but then i suppose if you're going to use the australia do need australia example, you do need to have an overseas processing area nauru or somewhere area like nauru or somewhere like that. >> and we've got plenty of british overseas. >> should have chosen rwanda, >> we should have chosen rwanda, we chosen. we should have chosen. where would you have chosen?

>> well, not going say would you have chosen? >> wei'd not going say would you have chosen? >> wei'd chosen.going say would you have chosen? >> wei'd chosen. gorg say would you have chosen? >> wei'd chosen. go on, say would you have chosen? >> wei'd chosen. go on, buty where i'd chosen. go on, but we've got overseas territories and we should do. and that's what we should do. come need put a bit come on, you need to put a bit of on the bones here, of meat on the bones here, because you're saying you can solve immigration. >> so us where would you >> so tell us where would you process people rwanda? process people if not rwanda? >> would them in british >> i would put them in a british overseas territory. i overseas territory. which one? i will back to that ascension will come back to that ascension island. variety island. there's a variety of places them that places we could put them that are control because are in control because immigration a key plank. immigration is a key plank. absolutely. we're the only people a critical plan. absolutely. we're the only people got a critical plan. absolutely. we're the only people got aleaveal plan. absolutely. we're the only people got a leave the .an. absolutely. we're the only people got a leave the echr pi'ocess. >> process. >> you've got pick up, if not back. >> well, do you know the best thing to do is process them very quickly here. actually, 20 years ago, they would in ago, they would be processed in two weeks. the appeal took a third week and they were deported. >> island deported. >> ascension island saint helena is places is a variety of places associated with napoleon. >> film. let's >> i'm not going to film. let's not that detail. not go into that detail. >> we go into detail? >> why can't we go into detail? >> why can't we go into detail? >> the real thing is >> because the real thing is processed them promptly and rapidly years. rapidly in weeks, not years. here and then deport here in the uk and then deport them. that's what's the existing law. should do. law. that's what we should do. and you've got to stop the pull factor, magnet factor by factor, the magnet factor by picking taking back using

picking up and taking back using existing international treaties. the about the other point about immigration that the tories immigration is that the tories have opened the have basically opened the borders. labour party want borders. the labour party want even open border mass even more open border mass immigration. we believe the only net zero we want is net zero lawful immigration, one in, one out. >> i get that about 400,000 people leave the country every yeah >> we could welcome high qualified, high skilled immigration to that sort of number. who will add value to you? put a cap on legal migration and what would it be? >> it would be one in, one out over a 3 to 5 year period. >> it would be about what if people say that's going to cause enormous labour shortages? it won't. do is won't. what it would do is it will increase the wages of british workers and get british workers and it'll get people work. make people back to work. it'll make work pay. >> if businesses can afford to pay >> if businesses can afford to pay them more, because at the moment pay 6% moment they're having to pay 6% more corporation tax . what more in corporation tax. what would you do with corporation tax? >> well, we've always said you should tax. take >> well, we've always said you st straight tax. take >> well, we've always said you st straight back tax. take >> well, we've always said you st straight back to tax. take >> well, we've always said you st straight back to 19. tax. take >> well, we've always said you sistraight back to 19. the. take >> well, we've always said you sistraight back to 19. the oneze it straight back to 19. the one good thing george osborne did bless him actually bless him was actually have a direction of travel to 17. we should heading towards

should have been heading towards 15. under 15. this prime minister under his watch, he sent it back to 25. it's a disaster. you've got to the vast amount to cut the vast amount of wasteful government spending across all departments, across local. would you do that in >> how would you do that in practice, though? >> how would you do that in prain:e, though? >> how would you do that in prain practice,1? very >> in practice, it's very simple. everybody in simple. you say to everybody in the same way that you do in business and indeed we're doing with household budgets, with our household budgets, right? in 100. right? i need to save £5 in 100. right? not touch frontline right? but not touch frontline services . and in business, what services. and in business, what you say, do that you're you say, do that or you're fired. >> e“- e'- @ but who would you >> i know, but who would you bnngin >> i know, but who would you bring in to it? are you bring in to do it? are you talking about bringing the private actually got to bring >> you've actually got to bring in from in successful people from the private to this private sector to force this through. do want to work in through. do they want to work in politics, though? through. do they want to work in politics, tisuccessful people they >> these successful people they were with successful were working with successful people record, with people with a track record, with a clear vision, clear conviction. >> i think absolutely. like you have part of have in america, it's part of your duty to come and help your civic duty to come and help the country, the country is broken tories, labour broken under the tories, labour were bankrupt. britain only the reform uk policies will save britain. >> i just want to return to this issue of british overseas territories. why are you reluctant to name any? i don't quite understand because quite understand it because that's key thing

that's not the key thing is people to know is that your people want to know is that your process quickly wherever it process them quickly wherever it is, haven't decided is, but you haven't decided on the best to do it. the best way to do it. >> the best place is in britain. do it in two weeks in britain. >> okay. can i say something which like, but which you might not like, but i'm going to say it anyway. it's not first time, reform not the first time, but reform isn't to make the headway isn't going to make the headway it needs nigel at it needs without nigel farage at the it? the helm, is it? >> the more help, the better. nigel, temporary, engaged nigel, he's temporary, engaged elsewhere, know , he could nigel, he's temporary, engaged elseating , know , he could nigel, he's temporary, engaged elseating kangar001ow , he could nigel, he's temporary, engaged elseating kangaroo testicles could nigel, he's temporary, engaged elseating kangaroo testicles asild be eating kangaroo testicles as we speak. i've always said i've always said nigel a huge always said nigel is a huge figure and can help a lot. >> so is he going to come back and help? why is he in the jungle? is he doing it for electoral success? come 2024, do you think? electoral success? come 2024, do youit'snk? electoral success? come 2024, do you it's very electoral success? come 2024, do youit's very clear he's doing it >> it's very clear he's doing it so that more young people can actually understand? actually see and understand? nigel opposed nigel the personality as opposed to sort of to what they've been sort of misinformed the press that misinformed in the press that doesn't him? doesn't like him? >> i mean, i don't want to besmirch your very strong leadership but besmirch your very strong leacneedp but besmirch your very strong leacneed him but besmirch your very strong leacneed him to but besmirch your very strong leacneed him to be but besmirch your very strong leacneed him to be leading it, you need him to be leading it, don't you? you need him to be leading it, dorwhat ? you need him to be leading it, dorwhat i is the more help, >> what i say is the more help, the better. i've always said if nigel wants to come back into uk politics look,

politics as leader, well, look, let's not focus on titles. let's focus on action and the important thing, because he was so brexit party, so successful, the brexit party, the real key thing the the real key thing is that the more help, the more more people who help, the more people about the people who hear about us, the better. nigel is concerned better. but nigel is concerned is past the post he is first past the post and he and i are completely committed to proportional representation. >> the trouble though, it's >> the trouble is, though, it's not campaign on first not a sexy to campaign on first past post as it is brexit, past the post as it is brexit, people understand it. past the post as it is brexit, peoand understand it. past the post as it is brexit, peoand the understand it. past the post as it is brexit, peoand the thingerstand it. past the post as it is brexit, peoand the thing abouti it. past the post as it is brexit, peoand the thing about brexit is >> and the thing about brexit is that yes, we've technically left, but haven't got brexit left, but we haven't got brexit done properly. pragmatically, left, but we haven't got brexit done haven'ty. pragmatically, left, but we haven't got brexit done haven't takenjmatically, left, but we haven't got brexit done haven't taken advantage left, but we haven't got brexit donehaven't taken advantage of they haven't taken advantage of they haven't taken advantage of the going the opportunity. if you're going to it properly. all to do a job, do it properly. all the things stand for cutting the things we stand for cutting taxes, data eggs, taxes, cutting data eggs, cutting these are cutting immigration, these are the things that people who voted brexit, they want they know brexit, they want and they know that was a mistake do to that it was a mistake will do to call party reform. call the party reform. >> you know, reclaim respect. there's parties there's loads of parties beginning don't you beginning with r, why don't you just stick the brexit party? just stick to the brexit party? because. it because. because it does what it does what it says on the tin. >> the country needs reforming in ways. in so many ways. >> well, that's all from me today. be next week at today. i'll be back next week at 930 .

930. hello there. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. we're looking ahead to the new working week. it's going to be a bit of a great and start out there for some of us. it will turn drier dunng some of us. it will turn drier during the middle part of the week, but then a good deal colder as we head towards next weekend. to the here and weekend. back to the here and now. area now. we've still got this area of pressure close by, still of low pressure close by, still got tightly packed isobars got some tightly packed isobars down so down towards the south. so indicating blustery indicating another blustery night also, eye on this night. also, keep an eye on this area it moves across area of rain as it moves across parts south wales and parts of south wales and southwest england could turn quite squally time as that quite squally for a time as that moves through elsewhere. a good deal of cloud clearest of deal of cloud around clearest of the over towards the east. the skies over towards the east. but start monday but for most, as we start monday morning, start off on a morning, we start off on a fairly mild note. so that band of will continue clear of rain will continue to clear towards france as we go in course of the morning. so maybe a bit of a wet commute for some of us, but for many it's going to be a bit of a grey day with some further outbreaks of rain. it may well briefly sunnier

it may well turn briefly sunnier for across parts of the for a time across parts of the midlands and the east anglia. but us, not going but a lot of us, it's not going to the most inspiring of to be the most inspiring of starts to new week, but it starts to the new week, but it will still be fairly mild, a little bit cooler than it has been over weekend to been over the weekend thanks to a of a northerly wind a bit more of a northerly wind and then going into tuesday, still cloudy side across still on the cloudy side across a chunk of and a good chunk of england and wales with some further outbreaks rain across the outbreaks of rain across the east, cheer a east, it does cheer up for a time across northern ireland and scotland sunnier scotland with some sunnier spells then later on spells here, but then later on some further cloud and outbreaks of in across the of rain moves in across the far northwest scotland. of northwest of scotland. middle of the and brighter in the week, drier and brighter in the

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