must be returned to argentina. d0 must be returned to argentina. do you think we would ever see a time where britain would go back to war for the falklands? i'll be talking to a man i massively respect. falklands veteran simon weston about that. also keir starmer, he has joined calls for more women to be involved in politics. is that what we need?

more women ? if so, how do we more women? it so, how do we achieve that? do we want things like all women shortlists, sex ended really, and speaking of politics, the young conservative network have now distanced themselves from the tories. i'm asking you tonight, is the conservative party perhaps focusing too much on the elderly and failing the youth and a uk minister has said that the disabled must, i quote, do their duty and go out to work if they're able. is she right? and they're able. is she right? and the bbc is under fire because of an episode of university challenge, which basically had a contestant who wore the colours of the palestinian flag while displaying a mascot of a blue octopus. many people are outraged, saying it was blatant anti—semitism . was it. outraged, saying it was blatant anti—semitism . was it . yes. anti—semitism. was it. yes. we'll get into all of that and more. but before we do, let's cross live for tonight's latest headunes.

headlines. >> michelle, thank you very much. and good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom . the latest from the newsroom. police searching for a group of missing teenagers say they've recovered four bodies from a crashed car in north wales. a major search was launched after john hurst, harvey owen will henderson and hugo morris failed to return home from a camping trip in the snowdonia area on sunday. police confirmed that their car left the road near tremadog og superintendent owen llewellyn says it appears to have been a tragic accident. shortly after 10 am. this morning, a member of the public contacted us, reporting a vehicle having left the road between beddgelert and ruthin . between beddgelert and ruthin. >> police officers attended and located a ford fiesta vehicle upside down, partially submerged in water. tragically, the bodies of four young males were recovered from within the vehicle . vehicle. >> the national living wage will increase by almost 10. more than

2 million full time workers are set to benefit from a pay rise of more than £1,800 a year from next april. the announcement comes ahead of tomorrow's autumn statement. chief secretary to the treasury laura trott says it will help end low pay in the country. >> it's fantastic news. we're announcing the biggest ever increase to the national living wage . it's worth £1,800 for a wage. it's worth £1,800 for a full time worker. it's going up by 9.8. that's £11, 44 per hour. this is a pay rise for up to 3 million workers and is part of our commitment to make sure that we make work pay and that we eliminate low pay . eliminate low pay. >> us officials say a tentative deal between israel and hamas that could see a pause in fighting and the release of hostages has been agreed. the deal would include the terror group releasing 50 hostages, mostly women and children, in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners . and a pause of 4 or 5 prisoners. and a pause of 4 or 5 days. us president joe biden says they've been working on a

deal to get hostages out and a very close the covid inquiry has been hearing evidence from sir chris whitty, who was the government's most senior medical adviser during the pandemic. the inquiry has heard the pandemic plan in place before covid 19 was woefully deficient. sukriti sarkar said it had been drawn up by people who'd been through the swine flu, where the mortality rate was quite low. he also said policy decisions regarding quarantining were difficult . if quarantining were difficult. if i were to rerun this period again , and i think it's again, and i think it's important to be reflective . important to be reflective. >> the thing which we didn't, i think, consider enough was should we be asking people coming back from china to self—quarantine irrespective of symptoms for probably 10 or 14 days? we were beginning to do so on the basis of symptoms . on the basis of symptoms. >> the prime minister has

defended the decision to hand tough sentences to climate protesters who caused major disruption . it comes after the disruption. it comes after the un raised concerns over the sentences handed to protesters who scaled the dartford crossing last year, saying they were significantly more severe than those imposed in the past. rishi sunak defended those tough penalties , saying the protesters penalties, saying the protesters were selfish and intent on causing misery to the hard working majority . the world working majority. the world needs to see. lancashire police has been criticised for its handung has been criticised for its handling of the disappearance of nicola bully. a review found failings in the way personal information about ms bullies health struggles was disclosed to the press, which contribute suhed to the press, which contribute suited to wild speculation . it suited to wild speculation. it said that non—reportable background and information should have been provided to the media to help shape responsible reporting without disclosing sensitive information. college of policing ceo chief constable andy marsh admitted the way the police release the information was needless . was needless. >> one of the decisions, which

is arguably the most significant impact on public confidence, was the release of personal information about nicola's health. we found that due process was followed in this decision and that it was lawful. but we were in no doubt that releasing this information in the manner the constabulary did was both avoidable and unnecessary . the duke of unnecessary. the duke of sussex's lawyers plan to ask ministers for permission to use confidential documents from the leveson inquiry in the case against the publisher of the daily mail. >> associate hated newspapers is accused of engaging investigators to use listening devices which were placed in cars and recording private telephone conversations. the publisher says the case is lurid and preposterous as the king and queen have welcomed the south korean president . horseguards korean president. horseguards parade. the royal couple are hosting yoon suk yeol and his wife at buckingham palace. it's the first incoming state visit since the king's coronation and the second of his reign. a state

banquet will take place this evening, which is set to host 170 guests. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . michelle news. now back to. michelle >> thanks , tatiana. i'm michelle >> thanks, tatiana. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside made a life peerin tonight alongside made a life peer in the house of lords. baroness jacqueline foster and the editor of labour uncut hats . the editor of labour uncut hats. well, good evening to both of the editor of labour uncut hats. you. you're very welcome. tonight as are all of you at home. what is on your mind tonight? you can get in touch all the usual ways you can email me gbviews@gbnews.uk. com or you can tweet me at gb news. mike tweets me already. very keen tonight. mike saying i'm body shaming . tonight. mike saying i'm body shaming. nigel tonight. mike saying i'm body shaming . nigel farage because shaming. nigel farage because i just said i didn't appreciate seeing his backside on. i'm a celebrity just to be absolutely

clear. and for the record, i'd nothing personal towards nigel. i don't want to see any of my colleagues backsides. thank you very much. would you can't think of anything worse. anyway keep your thoughts on lots of topics coming in tonight. a packed show. i want to talk to you about whether or not disabled people have to go out and people should have to go out and work they're able to. i want work if they're able to. i want to ask about that episode of university challenge. have you seen fire again? seen that bbc under fire again? more in parliament. do we more women in parliament. do we need that? is that the answer? and are the tories neglecting the young in order to focus too much on the elderly ? that one much on the elderly? that one will get you talking. i'm absolutely sure. but let's kick into my top story tonight. let's look backward, shall we? remind ourselves of what was quite a pivotal moment in british history . history. >> the commander of the operation , ian, has sent the operation, ian, has sent the following message i'd be pleased to inform her majesty that the white ensign flies alongside the union. jack in south georgia god save the queen. >> what happens next?

>> what happens next? >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> what's your reaction at that news? and congratulate our forces and the marines. are we going to declare war? >> yes. do you remember that? that was the then defence secretary, john nott. and of course, margaret thatcher. they were rejoicing. one of the key moments of the falkland war. i do to love her. mana with do have to love her. mana with the press there. can you imagine rishi sunak talking like that to the media? some would say perhaps appreciate if perhaps they would appreciate if he forward to he did. anyway, fast forward to today and you'll be familiar with the fact we've got a new president in argentine . tina. he president in argentine. tina. he well , he's president in argentine. tina. he well, he's called quite a few things by a few people, areas waving a chainsaw around . he's waving a chainsaw around. he's promised to do an awful lot of things. so he has. but basically what he's saying, he's going to stop the banks from printing all this money that he reckons has got argentina into the mess that it's currently in anyway. one of the other things that he mentions that he reckons that mentions is that he reckons that the falklands returning to argentine tina is non—negotiable . he's saying that the territory

is ideally in his mind anyway, and i can tell you now you don't agree with this. lots of you have already got in touch saying, what does he mean, return it back to argentina? it's not theirs to begin with anyway. having anyway. rishi sunak is having none he says the none of this. he says the sovereignty the falkland sovereignty for the falkland islands debate, so islands is not up for debate, so there's no doubt that there's absolutely no doubt that there's absolutely no doubt that the islands are indeed the falkland islands are indeed british. so that in mind , british. so with that in mind, let's cross now to someone, a man i respect massively. i know many of will too. i talk of many of you will too. i talk of course, of the falklands veteran simon weston who joins me simon weston cbe who joins me now. good evening and thank you for joining us. what do you forjoining us. what do you think when hear the new think when you hear the new president argentina talking president of argentina talking like about falkland like this about the falkland islands ? islands? >> i think he's quite deluded , >> i think he's quite deluded, really. um he needs to understand that they were the nafion understand that they were the nation of states. they were never even a country when he claims that they they were they were in charge of it. and the fact is that the falklands is an

independent territory that choose is whose sovereignty they live under and they choose our laws. they choose our flag. they choose our parliament. sometimes i wonder whether that's why. but they choose our parliament and they choose our parliament and the right to self determination, freedom and democracy . it's freedom and democracy. it's non—negotiable. we do not throw that away for them. the islanders choose to be british, and that's what they should have. it's not down to some guy who consults his psychic to find out how his dog is thinking about his decision making on what to do next. and that's that's a fact. that's what this guy does. but you know, he's deluded . uh, you know, we see deluded. uh, you know, we see far too many . deluded. uh, you know, we see far too many. our deluded. uh, you know, we see far too many . our politics far too many. our politics played in the world. we've only got to look at mr putin and what he's done. um, you know, and this guy is doing the same thing. you know, they. they have robbed their military from any

funding, so they've not got a military now. so you know, he can't threaten or offer that. he's not going to threaten military action. they haven't got a military to provide any action. so think that's a nonsense. and yeah, this guy needs to check his reality, deal with the corruption in his own country first and then start talking to people about how they can trade with how they can work with people. >> yeah. and i mean, at this stage it would just be absolutely clear. he's talking about doing all of this diplomatically. he says, one of my viewers has been touch, my viewers has been in touch, gary. he michelle, the gary. he says, michelle, the falklands strategically falklands are strategically important . do not important to the uk. do not underestimate says , i was underestimate it. he says, i was serving when we liberated them last and i wouldn't last time and i wouldn't hesitate doing all again if hesitate doing it all again if we needed to. do you think that is a sentiment that would be echoed by many veterans? >> i, i think most of us are way too old now, but , >> i, i think most of us are way too old now, but, um, the sentiment is, is correct . sentiment is, is correct. >> but, uh, look, these are british subjects. they want to

be british. they have their own autonomy and they should be entitled to sleep soundly in their beds at night. it's not for somebody from a country that has got religion, inflation because of the corruption of that country. these people should not have this inflicted on them. and people who say, give the islands back to the argentinians , they never belong argentinians, they never belong to the argentinians , get your to the argentinians, get your history correct. people have tried over the last five, ten years to cancel history or alter history by the removal of different effigies. the fact of the matter is the falklands never belonged to the argentinians. they've they've only ever belonged to france and britain. france they couldn't make it work. we put scottish families in there that did make it work. and the fact of the matter is the islanders have had a referendum where 97% of the

islanders said they wanted to remain under british sovereignty . that's about as decisive as you can get. and the argentinians , who are based in argentinians, who are based in the falklands were asked why they live there and they were they live there and they were the ones who were the 3. they were asked why they lived there and they said, oh, because of the education, because of the health service and because the police are not corrupt. and then they said, why did you vote? one of my friends asked them, why did vote be argentinian? did you vote to be argentinian? then and they couldn't answer him. why would you want to throw up the democracy that they've got? they've got a thriving got? and they've got a thriving community. they have a real stable lifestyle. there why would you want to throw that away and go with a country that as clearly proven itself over the years to have such corrupt politicians ? politicians? >> well, there you go. that is indeed the million dollar question. and i think perhaps the answer to that will be that they absolutely don't want to do that. for now, simon weston, that. but for now, simon weston, thank you very for your thank you very much for your time. a man that i respect

greatly. thank you . what's your greatly. thank you. what's your thoughts this whole topic ? thoughts on this whole topic? >> think simon said >> well, i think simon said everything pretty well, everything, and explained it. you know, it's a long time ago . you know, it's a long time ago. it seems have gone so quickly it seems to have gone so quickly . but where he's absolutely right . know, you've got right. you know, you've got a self—governing british overseas territory and that is how it should remain. i think it's a great tragedy because you've got this wonderful country called argentina . and up until, you argentina. and up until, you know, a hundred years ago or even less than that, i mean, we used to have we did 10% of our trade was with argentina. and people may remember corned beef from fray bentos corned beef and they helped, you know, they used to export that to the uk during the war and of course then their politics sort of declined. and then the military junta came in with galtieri, which caused the falklands. and they seem to have lurched after that . and now lurched after that. and now obviously they've got a new leader in who it's not up for debate , but i'm not surprised at debate, but i'm not surprised at all because very often in these countries there will be a

specific subject that they'll use. >> use. >> yeah, grant shapps as well. he was talking tough on his twitter today. he was basically having absolutely none of it. i could tell you that at all. what do you make of it all? >> and i think simon said it all. the one question i would have even though the argentinians don't have much of a military , you can fit our a military, you can fit our entire army now into wembley stadium and still fill wembley. we don't have carriers that can operate independently of french equipment and french, french , equipment and french, french, french materials . so even if french materials. so even if this slightly loopy looking character has now come to power in argentina to put ten troops down, what would happen ? down, what would happen? >> well, what would happen ? >> well, what would happen? because if you'd gone back, i don't know. i said two, two years ago and say, what do you do you think ever in this country this would happen? that would happen. most of the stuff that's happened in this country over the last years, you over the last few years, you wouldn't able make

wouldn't have been able to make up. these i actually up. so these days, i actually don't rule out anything, which is not a position to be in. is not a good position to be in. i dread to think might i dread to think what might happen. this by the way, happen. this fellow, by the way, this that we're talking this javier that we're talking about he's about in argentina, he's referred as el loco, referred to often as el loco, the madman. just to give you an idea of some of his policies, they pretty out there. i can they are pretty out there. i can tell you now , he apparently tell you now, he apparently although he disputes this, apparently he wants to make it able to sell body parts, organs. he says that that isn't one of his policies, but many dispute that and say absolutely is he wants to ditch the local currencies currency. he wants to privatise the state energy company. he wants to abolish abortion . ian, you know, he's abortion. ian, you know, he's really been described as quite far right, isn't he ? far right, isn't he? >> well, the thing is, if the title read, you know, we have a new far left president for argentina, it's never really a debate. if somebody is far left, they're always described, get all of these lunatics that are elected in places at times, and they're always described as a far right and far right.

>> but don't forget, there are there are far left. >> of course, there are their dictator is and they are unlike stalin was was stalin wasn't far right, but he was still a dictator. do you see what i mean? you get these extreme characters then, of course, characters and then, of course, you've all things you've got all of these things he's apparently to do. we he's apparently going to do. we have no idea. i mean, fortunately, we don't to fortunately, we don't have to select the president of our country that way. i think the country in that way. i think the proof is the pudding proof is in the pudding at the end and the end of the day. and the electorate then will see if this person is the right one for them. well, couldn't it them. well, i couldn't fancy it myself, this country , myself, really. in this country, he voted in 56% of the votes he got voted in 56% of the votes and it was quite a shock to some people. >> i could tell you that he took his position. what do you make to him and what do you make to that falklands question as well? we'll come back perhaps after the break on that but also the break on that one. but also i want to ask you, do you think we more women politics we need more women in politics in country? and also the in this country? and also the tories are abandoning the young. you me

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listening to gb news radio. >> hello there , michelle >> hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside the former mep and life peer in the house of lords, baroness jacqueline foster and the editor of labour uncut at all hats. well, like i said, talking about the falklands earlier on, there's a real sense of people coming through the inbox that are all saying basic flee the falklands are british. they've never been under argentinian control . so under argentinian control. so this pillock not my words, perhaps needs to get back in his box . el loco, i said, that's how box. el loco, i said, that's how many people refer to him. the new president of argentina. one of my viewers says starmer would let the falklands go to argentina without a second thought. well sure, i agree with that. do you agree with that? not at all. >> not at all. strong defence and national security are an absolute corner stone of what keir starmer stands for. you can

criticise them on of things criticise them on lots of things and can have political and you can have political disagreements but disagreements with them, but national is not national security is not something on. something he's weak on. >> agree . >> i'd agree. >> i'd agree. >> well, i just don't think they make did with make them like they did with thatcher anymore because i mean literally i was watching back some clips of her around that falklands. she really did not mess about, did she , at all? mess about, did she, at all? which leads me nicely. nice segway. i've done that jackie because kirsty armour today has voiced his support for a campaign called ask her to stand. and it's basically all about encouraging more women to get into politics. are all different levels, he says. when women are elected, they change the course of history. there you go . see, just talking about go. see, just talking about margaret thatcher there. they don't make them like her, i don't make them like her, i don't think, anymore. although many get touch with many people get in touch with me. about you likening you me. i say about you likening you to margaret thatcher and wishing that prime minister that you was the prime minister of country. me of this country. but let me bnng of this country. but let me bring it to labour forjust bring it back to labour forjust a second. you agree with keir a second. do you agree with keir starmer? we need more women a second. do you agree with keir st.politics? we need more women in politics? >> i think need to keep >> yes, i think we need to keep the pressure up to for women's

representation. yes yes. and i think moment the labour think at the moment the labour party, the labour party has 199 mps, women. there mps, 104 are women. there a party mps, 104 are women. there a party where the majority of mps who the whip women? so who take the whip are women? so that's progress. one thing that's good progress. one thing i could and i think that could be added and it's a important caveat it's a really important caveat to this is it's class. it's not just the middle class women. it's working class women, and it's working class men and that class is a huge barrier to progression. and i'd i think these campaigns are well intentioned and right, but something that needs to be recognised . recognised. >> is angela rayner passionate about that because obviously that's her background isn't it? >> she's absolutely passionate. but if you look at not just the labour party but politics generally, a middle generally, it's a very middle class profession to class profession and to represent country and the represent the country and the different kind of walks of life and experiences in the country, i think you've got to take account of class well. account of class as well. >> why ? >> why? >> why? >> because you can't you can't just. you can't. well, you can't look at just reflect every single single detail of the

country. you need people with different experiences. angela rayner brings a different voice. her life experience is really important around the shadow cabinet table and in government it will be important the sorts of things we're seeing in the covid inquiry where basically all the decision making , the men all the decision making, the men just forgot there's women with children , there's caring children, there's caring responsibilities as we saw it. you know, someone like patrick vallance, who's a decent man saying and someone had a two year old and was and was interrupted on a zoom call. well, that's what happens if you don't have childcare. and when we lockdown and those sorts of considerations lived, experience is important. it's not everything, but if you just have a narrow cast of people running the country, then we have mistakes . mistakes. >> so would you do then? >> so what would you do then? i've quotas this. i've quotas for all this. >> no, no, no. i think you >> no, no, no, no. i think you can. there's that happens can. there's lots that happens before. the labor party we before. so in the labor party we had all women shortlists . it had all women shortlists. it wasn't just quotas across the board, but where demonstrably selections hadn't worked free

selection, purely free selections hadn't worked. some action is required . there is action is required. there is a point, though, where one has to change the culture totally and kind of take away the stabilisers. >> jacqueline well , stabilisers. >> jacqueline well, i don't really agree particularly the whole point is and we've just talked about margaret thatcher and what did come through in the 80s was is the mantra , which was 80s was is the mantra, which was called equality of opportunity. and there's a difference between equality and equality of opportunity and i'm on the side of equality of opportunity, which means that the state provides us a good education system . it it obviously drives system. it it obviously drives then the aspiration of everybody and where you are, right? and i come from a blue collar background, which is probably the same as angela rayner and there were far more of us when i was a child because most of the uk certainly post world war ii, were not middle class. that middle has over the middle class has grown over the time, let's put that one time, but let's put that at one side. so do find i mean keir side. so i do find i mean keir starmer coming out, of course

he's leading a party, but at the end of the day i find it actually this sort of statement actually this sort of statement a bit patronising. i mean, the labour party's been around now for 120 years. they still haven't female leader and haven't had a female leader and it's astonishing . so you can it's astonishing. so you can have lots of mps , but by the have lots of mps, but by the same token we've got many more, we've got many more in the conservative party but when you talk then about, you know, all women shortlists, it's been necessary to do things like that . i came from an industry . i know i came from an industry where be promoted where i couldn't be promoted when started in the airline when i started in the airline industry various industry and various other things, to make things, and we fought to make sure we had the equality of the same opportunities as our male colleagues. industry had to do that too. so we've got female surgeons and lawyers and, you know, this has changed. you know, this has changed. you know, irrevocably over over the years . but i know, irrevocably over over the years. but i think it's years. but i just think it's about , you know, a lot of women about, you know, a lot of women will go into local council because it's local . it's because it's local. it's a little bit harder if they want to come to westminster because they're london week. they're in london every week. but said, answer is not

but as i said, the answer is not list here and list there. and just saying, you know, the same old, old, they will look at old, same old, they will look at people around and think, oh, well, i'd like to do that if she can. agree with all women can. do you agree with all women shortly? really? shortly? not anymore. really? no. i'm very i'm very i'm no. no i'm very i'm very i'm very i'm very i agree with them. women are not women are half the population. 2023. and population. it's 2023. and we're not victims . not victims. >> yeah, did you agree with >> yeah, but did you agree with them before? i think there were times in certain areas, as i've said, battles in said, we had great battles in industry over the certainly the last or 60 years. last 50 or 60 years. >> and in politics where you could look at something and say, okay, we could justify that for could look at something and say, oitemporaryrld justify that for could look at something and say, oitemporary period ify that for could look at something and say, oitemporary period of that for could look at something and say, oitemporary period of time for could look at something and say, oitemporary period of time .)r a temporary period of time. >> so i think actually there's not. you agree with the not. so you agree with the principle , it's just the principle, it's just the application and when now i think most people would agree with application and when now i think most which; would agree with application and when now i think most which is vould agree with application and when now i think most which is youj agree with application and when now i think most which is you can'tee with application and when now i think most which is you can't haveh that, which is you can't have shortlists in perpetuity obe you have change culture. have to change the culture. >> i think we're in in the >> i don't think we're in in the ball game at stage in 2023. ball game at this stage in 2023. now, where we need all women shortlists politics. frankly, shortlists in politics. frankly, i'm i don't care i'm a meritocrat. i don't care if somebody operating me if somebody is operating on me or somebody representing me. i want person for job

want the best person for the job and therefore i want to make sure they've equality sure that they've got equality of opportunity to put themselves in position with the support. >> isn't it striking that so often best person for the often the best person for the job as it turns out, isn't a woman because the selection processes will filter women processes will filter out women at different stages. processes will filter out women at diffe|labourges. need to look >> the labour party need to look at their selection at their their selection processes as to maybe many all all parties as has improved hugely well widened over the record . record. >> i know some figures 88 women apparently in the conservative and 103 in labour. how is keir starmer going to define what a woman is ? woman is? >> yeah, quite to tick the boxes. >> i say that he's got a woman. >> i say that he's got a woman. >> i say that he's got a woman. >> i think. i think i think he took his time but he's got there and he said but what would he say. >> what what is. when we talk about we need more women in parliament. what does that mean? anna what it means to me, it means you need more adult human females. is your females. if that is your strategy in parliament. but i'm not sure that's what pretty not sure that that's what pretty sure, said in an interview sure, he said in an interview when question. when asked that question.

>> words adult >> now add the words adult human, the don't think human, female. the i don't think sort talking about sort of kind of talking about the of tiny percentages the sort of tiny percentages here there where there may here and there where there may be a sort of caster or be a sort of caster semenya or whether amount of whether there's a huge amount of merit of going that merit in kind of going down that rabbit hole. been clear rabbit hole. he's been clear about, you know, adult human, female women and biology matters. and i think that debate such asit matters. and i think that debate such as it was, is if a guy is self—identifying as a woman was to say , right, i want to be on to say, right, i want to be on one of your women's shortlist, would labour permit that or not? >> so like for example, eddie izzard , a person that i izzard, a person that i massively respect . but if eddie massively respect. but if eddie izzard was to say i want to be a woman , an mp for. labour i am woman, an mp for. labour i am not the arbiter of the labour party rule book. >> but i would be amazed if he did and i think there would be an absolute furore. >> do you know what the question really should be? because the question is you know, question is always, you know, what is a woman? i'd like to ask the question, what is a man? how would you to a would you like to describe a man? that's

man? and that's as straightforward actually the straightforward as actually the description biological description for a biological female. entire emphasis female. so this entire emphasis and reticence to actually and this reticence to actually just what a woman is, just say what a woman is, a biological adult female from from so many politicians actually . but certainly when actually. but certainly when keir was asked and others , i keir was asked and others, i just find astonishing thing. it shouldn't even be up for debate. we do know we know the debate is done now. we know exactly what. >> but the debate is what female what females? the debate is not done, though, it? i mean, done, though, is it? i mean, there's a story the papers there's a story in the papers today trans person who today about a trans person who wants to play on a women's football team people have football team and people have decided that they didn't want to field teams against that person. and this person is saying field teams against that person. and now this person is saying field teams against that person. and now they 3erson is saying field teams against that person. and now they want1 is saying field teams against that person. and now they want to; saying field teams against that person. and now they want to forying field teams against that person. and now they want to for sue discrimination. >> so, no, i want to say the debates and the debates done at >> so, no, i want to say the d> so, no, i want to say the d> so, no, i want to say the d

i can't remember and i want to say rosie duffield is that the name who needs security do name who needs security to do things attend the labour things like attend the labour party etcetera, things like attend the labour party she's etcetera, things like attend the labour party she's booed tera, things like attend the labour party she's booed basically on because she's booed basically on her own benches? >> no . in the chamber. how >> no, no. in the chamber. how the labour party conducted itself this years ago. itself on this a few years ago. >> disgrace, but the >> it's a disgrace, but the labour is still in the labour party is still in the same position. no, no, things have changed. >> kate. we kate. we some >> kate. we have kate. we some months sitting the months ago were sitting on the sorry we're sitting the tory sorry, we're sitting on the tory benches. was making some benches. she was making some comments a respected comments as a very respected conservative mp one of the conservative mp and one of the labour of parliament who labour members of parliament who was of booing lloyd was sort of booing lloyd russell—moyle, he went russell—moyle, who is he went and the floor. he sat and he crossed the floor. he sat on the tory benches and he stirred her out. i'd have thrown him out the chamber. he intimid waited and that is not right. and it's disgraceful behaviour. >> disgraceful behaviour >> that's disgraceful behaviour that by multiple that was condemned by multiple labour mps when in you have interviews with the shadow, when you have interviews with the shadow cabinet, the shadow cabinet, leadership cabinet, the leadership of the labour absolutely labour party are absolutely clear. i'm sorry, biology clear. well, i'm sorry, biology matters. clear. well, i'm sorry, biology m atters sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> but that debate few >> but that debate from a few years which was ungainly years ago, which was ungainly and unseen, it's a few years and unseen, it's not a few years ago, a years ago.

ago, it's not a few years ago. >> this has been happening still over and rosie over the last year. and rosie duffield basically been, you duffield has basically been, you know blackballed degree by know, blackballed to a degree by a lot of biological female female labour mps as well . female labour mps as well. >> anyway, am i right? it's a are you saying that labour don't support self—identification then ? >> 7. >>i ? >> i think in 7 >> i think in context. so if self—identification means that one someone, a man, can self—identify as a woman and then play rugby or play football , “0, then play rugby or play football , no, labour is not going to stand with that. but if someone wants to lead their life in in their own time as they choose, i think, you know , no political think, you know, no political party will stand in way of party will stand in the way of that. there is there that. you know, there is there is a conservative mp, mp for bridgend who identifies as a woman. >> well, the one the one that said that they were they made it an issue. was it when there was an issue. was it when there was a crash or something ? very a crash or something? very briefly , are the tories briefly, are the tories abandoning the young? i'm asking because the young conservative network is basically distancing themselves from the tory party, basically saying, i'm paraphrasing , but you're failing

paraphrasing, but you're failing the youth . the youth. >> well, i'm not sure which one's the network are. i mean, we've got a few the young conservative network, they're saying that they've been supporting young people within. >> well, i've supported obviously, we used to have young conservatives and we've got various groups , actually, of various groups, actually, of young conservatives. various groups, actually, of yong conservatives. various groups, actually, of yong consbelieve s. various groups, actually, of yong consbelieve ,. various groups, actually, of yong consbelieve , of course, >> i don't believe, of course, we're abandoning our youth we're not abandoning our youth and young conservatives . i and our young conservatives. i mean, we have very brave young conservatives. you look at conservatives. when you look at the campuses, not the university campuses, not least because they're so left wing and they're so , you know, wing and they're so, you know, bombarded with all of this sort of left wing stuff on the university campuses that you do find that these young conservatives and they're very often quite small groups , are often quite small groups, are pretty brave, brave kids , pretty brave, brave kids, actually. and so i think i think our young conservatives are perfectly fine . and i don't perfectly fine. and i don't think that the labour party would do any more for the young than the conservative party certainly tried to do. there isn't a great mystery here. >> if you look at schools where schools are closed because the

you know , the buildings are you know, the buildings are rotten and buildings are collapsing. conservatives, that's young people's that's part of young people's experience. if you look at jobs where median wages are still behind 2008, in real terms, that's part of young people's experience when they go into the labour market. when you look at how young, when young people are trying to get the housing trying to get on the housing ladder and the average deposit is excess of £100,000, is well in excess of £100,000, and someone who's 21, and it's how someone who's 21, 22 can save that amount of money is beyond. well, i'm sorry, i couldn't i couldn't afford and it's mystery when it's it's not a mystery when i it's not a mystery why in that context, young people are not best pleased with the government of years. of the past 13 years. >> to work london at >> i came to work in london at 20. couldn't afford live in 20. i couldn't afford to live in central and worked for central london, and i worked for a company . you know, there's a big company. you know, there's an assumption if an assumption that, well, if i want to live there, i should be able to it. it doesn't able to afford it. it doesn't work that. and certainly in work like that. and certainly in certain the country, certain parts of the country, there's loads of parts the there's loads of parts of the country, though, obviously country, though, where obviously property things property is and various things are quite so are not not quite so extortionate they are extortionate as they are in london. know that. as london. we know that. but as i said, of course i don't can't

say one party supports young people another party doesn't. >> what was quoting wasn't >> what i was quoting wasn't a london figure. it was a national figure. young figure. well, this young conservative basically figure. well, this young consethey're basically figure. well, this young consethey're saying basically figure. well, this young consethey're saying is basically figure. well, this young consethey're saying is that ally figure. well, this young consethey're saying is that they what they're saying is that they believe that conservative ideals are generation. >> however , our current >> however, our current president policy offering to them is less than inspiring. they're, quote, things like housing planning child they're, quote, things like hous and 3lanning child they're, quote, things like housand education child they're, quote, things like housand education on child they're, quote, things like housand education on issues.d care and education on issues that are critical to them that they say are still not being adequately addressed . carol adequately addressed. carol vorderman, she was getting in on the act. she was saying, actually, can you imagine the shame nowadays of any young person they belong to person saying they belong to what the corrupt what she calls the corrupt conservative party? i've conservative party party? i've got to say, there does seem to be awful lot of shaming these be an awful lot of shaming these days anyone that has the days of anyone that has the audacity the right of audacity to be of the right of centre politically. whereas if you're of centre or left, you're left of centre or left, that's absolutely fine. if you're to the right, apparently not so fine. why is that ? i'm not so fine. why is that? i'm fascinated on your thoughts on that one. i have a lot that i want to cover with you guys , so want to cover with you guys, so don't go anywhere. i want your

thoughts on the topics that we have been discussing. vaiews@gbnews.com. but i want to after the break ask you if you're disabled, do you think it is your duty to work? if you can tell me your thoughts and i'll see you .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hi there. michelle dewberry tall seven. jacqueline foster and atlanta will remain alongside me. bev on twitter says hello . you're watching from says hello. you're watching from florida. what a treat. i do like to hear where you guys are watching and listening from. you're very welcome. tonight, molly says michelle molly on twitter says michelle re women in politics. we need to stop putting labels on people. we more of the right we simply need more of the right people in the job regardless of anything else . that sentiment is anything else. that sentiment is coming through thick and fast. nikki says all these calls for more women in politics is a bit silly. there's nothing stopping

women from running be in women from running to be in office if they want to. if you want to do it, put your hat in the ring . i've done it twice. the ring. i've done it twice. i'm not sure i'd recommend it. it's certainly not for the faint hearted, i could tell you that. anyway lots to come. i was asking you as well. do you think the tories are neglecting the young and focusing instead too much elderly ? mary says much on the elderly? mary says i'm a pensioner and i've worked all my life . basically, you're all my life. basically, you're saying you don't think you've had consideration had any help or consideration from them. the government . yeah. from them. the government. yeah. no. is the short answer. many people are not saying. ian says, i believe the tories are grossly neglecting the elderly while pandenng neglecting the elderly while pandering to the young when it comes to gender and work and climate . et cetera. et cetera. climate. et cetera. et cetera. well, there you go. now we all know derek with the autumn statement is almost upon us now. we've been focusing a lot in terms of what potentially is and isn't going to be in there. now, speaking today, uk minister has upset quite a people because upset quite a few people because apparently the emphasis of what

she that is if you she was saying that is if you are disabled or there is a duty on you to work if you're able to this is laura trott that was saying this chief secretary to the treasury what do you make to this ? this? >> well . it's not >> well. it's not straightforward , not least straightforward, not least because i have worked during my lifetime with many people who've been disabled , some very been disabled, some very physically disabled, and they've worked in wheelchair, they've used wheelchairs and everything. and there always appears to be an assumption that if somebody has a disability that they actually want to just sit at home and that is not, in my view , the reality because an awful lot of people who do have really quite chronic disabilities as well as mild disabilities like to be out there and they like to be part of a workforce. now, clearly there are a proportion of people who will be on sick benefit, and we do have a couple

of million, i think , of working of million, i think, of working age who are currently sort of drawing sickness benefit and a proportion of them will never be able to work. and i think people accept that it but not withstanding, there are also, i think a lot of people out there, we know that there is fraud in the system. we can't shy away from that. and we know for a fact it's gone on for a long time. i think the government needs to really crack on where there is fraud and there is evidence of that. people do report these things because it costs treasury billions. costs the treasury billions. actually, i would like actually, because i would like to see the money then put into those who are genuinely needing the additional the help. that additional funding go in the right funding then can go in the right place. so that's my view. i don't think there's one simple, easy answer , michelle. i think easy answer, michelle. i think it's a wide ranging issue. >> jackie. jackie says no, it is not a duty for disabled person to work. she says, what a horrible question. if a person , horrible question. if a person, if a person can't cope , then if a person can't cope, then fair enough, fine . if they want fair enough, fine. if they want to work and they can without

suffering, that's also fine. but as for being a duty, i.e. you're trying to make people feel guilty if they cannot work, no way . you say what a state we are way. you say what a state we are in. and she says, by the way, those in power have plenty of perks and handouts get lost. she says , at all. i think it's a says, at all. i think it's a well—established principle of the way our welfare system or welfare state works that whoever you are, if you can work, you should and you should work to the extent that you can. >> and i think the challenges happen when in twofold , one in happen when in twofold, one in the detail of implementation action where often it's frontline staff aren't necessarily equipped to deal with some of the intricacies and the clinical intricacies of the challenges people face. it's hard to find the right match of jobs sometimes, but i also think , one, this is the kind of rise in people on sickness benefits is a corollary of the challenges we are facing with our national health service. if it takes longer to get treatment, then

more people are going to fall into fall into not being able to work. there's a cycle here which is sort of repeating back from the 80s where in the areas which deindustrialised, particularly mining was a huge mining areas, there was a huge rise people on disability rise in people on disability benefit with benefit because with musculoskeletal conditions now if they had been treated within six weeks they'd have been back to work. but because it took so long to get to them what was a temporary disability became a lot longer term lot harder lot longer term and a lot harder to unpick. and i think the in terms of actually tackling this, probably focus here should probably the focus here should sit within a more effective health interventions than a work intervention, because work intervention, because our work interventions up interventions are already set up where if you can work and don't, you are sanctioned , claire says. you are sanctioned, claire says. >> i personally think it's everybody's work whether everybody's duty to work whether disabled or not, because it improves your mental health. having something to do , paul having something to do, paul says. how disgusting a duty we are not slaves . so let's see are not slaves. so let's see what the courts have to say about this. why are disabled people being demonised by the

media and politicians? susie said i had a bleed on the brain in 2018. i've applied for numerous jobs, but nobody will give her a chance, she says . give her a chance, she says. even though she's applying for jobs requiring less qualifications, she's volunteered for charities in nurseries, etcetera . and i think nurseries, etcetera. and i think from what you're saying, you've still not been able to find work, which i think is a real shame . um, john says if anyone shame. um, john says if anyone is capable of work physically and mentally without hardship, then absolutely they should be looking, malcolm says. i'm a disabled man with ms and i have to part time because to work part time because benefits just do not cover all of my costs . well, there you go. of my costs. well, there you go. keep your thoughts coming in. vaiews@gbnews.com did you see the argument that's raged today about the university challenge episode, which featured someone wearing the palestinian flag colours and having a blue octopus ? was it blatant octopus? was it blatant anti—semitism ? can you tell me .

hi there. welcome back. dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry till 7:00. the former mep and life peer in the house of lords, baroness jacqueline foster and the editor of labour uncut, atl hatswell. alongside me. we're just talking about whether or not people have a so—called duty to if they're disabled . to work if they're disabled. sheila's been touch on sheila's been in touch on twitter. my son had a brain brain disease 22. he had to brain disease at 22. he had to learn to walk and talk again. then he got myocarditis, he got fit joined navy. six fit again, joined the navy. six months later, he got an autoimmune disease. he now has three chronic illnesses but is still working full time. she says. still working full time. she says . in respect to your son and says. in respect to your son and i wish him all the best. now the bbc has sparked outrage over claims that one of the teams basically on university challenge that was aired last night apparently used an anti—semitic mascot . there's anti—semitic mascot. there's also been criticism that the person was wearing the flag

colours of the palestinian flag . colours of the palestinian flag. what do you make of this, jacqueline? i saw you tweeting quite a lot about it. >> well, frankly, i was horrified because there's footage of when the christchurch college, oxford and they were on a round, there was a round at an earlier date and the young student in question was wearing a hijab, which is absolutely fine . uh, they had like a hijab, which is absolutely fine. uh, they had like a a hijab, which is absolutely fine . uh, they had like a cuddly fine. uh, they had like a cuddly toy that was at the front of the on their desk. they all have these things. and then the next thing we have, the round thing we have, the next round and apart from her clothing, people can wear red and green. of course, they can. >> back on the screen there on the on the right in front of her is a blue octopus. >> now . now, you know, it >> now. now, you know, it doesn't take you more than about two minutes to find out what that actually means. and notwithstanding, my viewers might notwithstanding, it's a trope. it was it was a thing first brought to, i think, to

the public eye around about 1938 in nazi germany, obviously, when the hitler boys were making their way through the country and all of the hatred, you know, you ended up with kristallnacht. and obviously these pogroms against the jews took place . and against the jews took place. and it is a well known it is a well known indicator later of what is pure nazi anti—semitism . so the pure nazi anti—semitism. so the fact that we're looking at the particular student who is not i wouldn't imagine in a million years a stupid, naive person who's reading astrophysics and is sitting there and they move from one cuddly toy to a blue octopus right in front of them. i just found . and is this a i just found. and is this a coincidence? and i'm very sorry, but you know, i love to give people a benefit of the doubt. but it doesn't look like a coincidence to me. and bbc coincidence to me. and the bbc should have that before should have seen that before that actually aired . well, that was actually aired. well, you mentioned the bbc. >> is they say. they >> this is what they say. they said aware of inaccurate said we're aware of inaccurate claims online in claims being made online in relation episode relation to last night's episode of university challenge, and we

utterly abuse that utterly condemn the abuse that has been posted and shared this episode filmed march . the episode was filmed in march. the mascot one of many chosen by mascot is one of many chosen by the the of the team during the course of the team during the course of the and one of their the series and is one of their favourite animals . the series and is one of their favourite animals. is the series and is one of their favourite animals . is the jacket favourite animals. is the jacket worn of the contestants worn by one of the contestants was a high was bought from a high street retailer. has connection retailer. it has no connection to any at all. what do you to any flag at all. what do you make of all? make of it all? >> think there's an echo here >> i think there's an echo here of some of the furore happened around marks and spencer's. they have in have an ad that's filmed in august there's is august and suddenly there's is the the idea that the there's the idea that they're burning bits of the palestinian need palestinian flag and people need to she was red and to calm down. she was red and green are common colours and context matters. if this student has a history of anti—semitic abuse, which i don't think there's any reports of, if there is some broader agenda, then yes, that the attention needs to be paid. but to paraphrase freud, sometimes an octopus is just an octopus , isn't it? just an octopus, isn't it? >> oh, this is not this is not this is not a coincidence. why would you choose why would you choose a blue octopus? >> because millions of cuddly octopuses sold up and down the

country. >> of course, of course they would. >> lots of children have as i said, i didn't comment particularly on her, on her, on her clothes, as people choose all sorts of different colours for their clothes. the of having all sorts of different colours focuddly clothes. the of having all sorts of different colours focuddly octopus the of having all sorts of different colours focuddly octopus isn't)f having anti—semitic. >> well, we'll have to agree to disagree. that is my view. and i was extremely was astonished was extremely i was astonished actually when i saw it because it was just so obvious. certainly it was so obvious to me and it was so obvious to an awful of other people as awful lot of other people as well. it is a horrendous trope and certainly , you know, showing and certainly, you know, showing it at this time as well. what's happened over the last six weeks. it was only aired, surely to goodness somebody, an editor or somebody would have checked that before it was actually aired last night. and could have maybe raised the issue . maybe raised the issue. >> has anyone said there's any intent on her behalf? >> well, i'm not. i have no idea what's in people's heads. we can work on what we see and we think about what we're going to say. and from my point of view, it was filmed in march. i didn't i didn't see it doesn't matter

whether was filmed in march. whether it was filmed in march. it filmed in march. it was it was filmed in march. so have a tolerance so you'd have a zero tolerance approach cuddly octopuses. approach to cuddly octopuses. well, just being well, you're now just being a bit ridiculous because i don't have zero tolerance approach to pretty what pretty well most things. what i do have a serious, serious zero tolerance approach to is anti—semitism and anything that actually particularly over the last six weeks, which is then brought to the fore, which exacerbates a situation that we have in this country. >> well, you know what? as always, you guys at home can have the final thoughts and words on that one. that is a conversation i'm sure that we will have again , unfortunately, will have again, unfortunately, in the not too distant future for now at all. thank you for your company, jacqueline. thank your company, jacqueline. thank you as always, your company, jacqueline. thank you you as always, your company, jacqueline. thank you you for as always, your company, jacqueline. thank you you for yours. always, your company, jacqueline. thank you you for yours. don't's, your company, jacqueline. thank you you for yours. don't go thank you for yours. don't go anywhere. richard tice . up next anywhere. richard tice. up next nana. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. >> with me annie from the met office it will be staying cloudier through tomorrow with some moving in from the some rain moving in from the north, but still some sunshine on offer southern areas on offer across southern areas with that high pressure still

dominating ridge, extending dominating the ridge, extending across many areas of england and wales. but further north, we've got a weather front in charge throughout and throughout this evening and that'll stay charge into that'll stay in charge into wednesday and thursday as well. so we've got rain arriving across much of western scotland, parts of northern ireland as well. further south, it'll stay dry some mist fog dry tonight. some mist and fog developing and temperatures falling than last night, falling lower than last night, as as 2 or 3, perhaps in as low as 2 or 3, perhaps in some southern counties. so a bit of a colder mystere start on wednesday morning. but the sunshine will come out throughout the afternoon once again. so not a bad day for the time of year. a rather different story, though, for the further north with some rain persisting, particularly far particularly across the far north of scotland, the north—west in particular, where the rain totals will start to build up. but despite the rain, it will be fairly mild for the time of year, as high as 14 degrees in north eastern scotland. thursday , there's scotland. then thursday, there's little for many areas little change for many areas apart from the far north where that front does then clear through. we've got much through. and we've got much colder it. we

colder air behind it. so we could see some snow showers starting to fall over the hills and generally there just will be and generally there just will be a feel to the wind. that a cold feel to the wind. that cold feel will become more widespread into friday and will last into the

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