and a very good evening. >> yes, it's 7:00. it's the farage show. he's still down under. farage show. he's still down under . so i'm farage show. he's still down under. so i'm standing in. we've got a massive show. unbelievable things going on this week. got a massive show. unbelievable things going on this week . on things going on this week. on thursday, some more net migration numbers are coming out . and guess what, folks.7 yes another surge is forecast. so much for taking back control. also here's another shocker, seeing a gp quickly is easier in rwanda than here in the united kingdom. brilliant and also

another shocker , the covid another shocker, the covid inquiry. what's been said over the last couple of days will be getting into that. and of course , what are the australians, the aussies think of farage down under all of that to come.7 but first it's the news with tatiana sanchez. >> thank you very much and good evening . this is the latest from evening. this is the latest from the newsroom . police searching the newsroom. police searching for a group of missing teenagers say they've recovered four bodies from a crashed car in nonh bodies from a crashed car in north wales. a major search was launched after jayvon north wales. a major search was launched afterjayvon hurst , launched after jayvon hurst, harvey, launched afterjayvon hurst, harvey, owen wilf henderson and hugo morris failed to return home from a camping trip in the snowdonia area on sunday. police confirmed their car left the road near tremadog superintendent owen lewin llewellyn says it appears to have been a tragic accident . have been a tragic accident. >> shortly after 10 am. this morning, a member of the public contacted us, reporting a vehicle having left the road

between beddgelert and ruthin . between beddgelert and ruthin. police officers attended and located a ford fiesta vehicle upside down, partially submerged in water. tragically, the bodies of four young males were recovered from within the vehicle . vehicle. >> the national living wage will increase by almost 10, more than 2 million full time workers are set to benefit from a pay rise of more than thousand hundred pounds a year from next april. the announcement comes ahead of tomorrow's autumn statement at. us officials say a tentative deal between israel and hamas could see a pause in fighting and the release of hostages has been agreed. it would see the release of 50 hostages, mostly women and children, in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners . for 150 palestinian prisoners. and a pause of 4 or 5 days as us president joe biden says they're very close to getting those hostages freed . the government's

hostages freed. the government's most senior adviser during the covid pandemic says the plan in place before the pandemic was woefully deficient. the inquiry heard evidence from sir chris whitty today . he said the plan whitty today. he said the plan had been drawn up by people who'd been through the swine flu , where the mortality rate was quite low . he also said policy quite low. he also said policy decisions regarding quarantining were . at lancashire were difficult. at lancashire police has been criticised for its handling of the disappearance of nicola billy . a disappearance of nicola billy. a review found failings in the way of personal information about ms billy's health struggles was disclosed to the press, which contributed to wild speculation. it said that non—reportable background information should have been provided to the media to help shape responses reporting without disclosing sensitive information. college of policing ceo chief constable andy marsh admitted the way the police released information was needless and the president of south korea says his country will work with the uk to bolster the political and economic

security in the indo—pacific. dufing security in the indo—pacific. during an address to parliament this evening earlier, the king and queen welcomed yoon suk yeol and queen welcomed yoon suk yeol and his wife at the horseguards parade. it's the first incoming state visit since the king's coronation and the second of his reign. the couple laid a wreath at the grave of the unknown warrior at westminster abbey and a state banquet will take place this evening, which is set to host 170 guests. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play . gb news. play. gb news. >> thank you, tatiana. and a very warm welcome. yes, it's farage show on gb news. we have got a huge, huge story this week amongst everything else that is going on because on thursday we've got the latest ons statistics on net migration into

the united kingdom for the year. to june 2023. now, this is important point because you'll recall that record net migration figures were announced about five months ago for the year to december 2020, 22, and then in then we were told it was exceptional. we were told they would come down. do you remember that manifest nato back in december 2019 when the conservative government of the day they promised in the manifesto that immigration would come down and the numbers would reduce, particularly of low skilled immigration. before i go to my two guests here in the studio, just take a listen to the immigration minister, what he said robert jenrick to the house of commons back in may of this year . this year. >> the ons have today amended their previous published estimate of net migration for the year ending june 20th, 22 to

606,000. the statistics published today indicate that net migration has flatlined since then . in the year ending since then. in the year ending december 20, 22, they estimate that net migration remains . at that net migration remains. at 606,000. these are particularly high figures are in large part due to temporary and exceptional factors such as the uk's ukraine and hong kong bno schemes. last yean and hong kong bno schemes. last year, more than 200,000 ukrainians and 150,000 hong kong, british nationals overseas made use of the routes to life or time in the united kingdom . or time in the united kingdom. >> so there we have the immigration minister, mr jenrick, saying last year was exceptional, in which case you'd sort of draw the conclusion not unreasonably, that they might come down. he proudly said. the numbers were flatlining. really so internal sources that have

leaked news for casts to the daily mail this morning says that actually it could well be 700,000 in the year to june 2023. so far from the promise from the government back in may that last year was exceptional. well, it looks as though actually it's exceptional in that the graph is going upwards, rapid , not downwards . so i pose rapid, not downwards. so i pose my question to you. everybody given that this government is completely incapable of controlling immigration, the question is will labour control immigration any better? email farage. gbnews.com or tweet us. hashtag farage on gb news. well, i'm delighted to be joined with my two guests in the studio by dr. alan mendoza, who is the executive director of the henry jackson society, and scott benton, who's the independent mp for blackpool south. gentlemen thank you very much for being with us. i'm going to come to

you first. alan what's going on here? i mean, if these forecasts that have been leaked to the daily mail are correct in the in the year to june 23rd, 700,000 net. so that's that's the difference between those arriving and those leaving. that's 1% of the population arriving and those leaving. that's1% of the population in one year. what on earth is happening? >> well, that's going to be the question, isn't it? what on earth is happening now? it's interesting. we've had a big focus, we, richard, on focus, haven't we, richard, on illegal migration over the past few years, the small boat, etcetera , and ignoring the fact etcetera, and ignoring the fact that much bigger legal that there's a much bigger legal migration issue now, i say it's an issue. it depends on, you know, you've got a slice of cake and work out what's going on here. i think there was in the past ukraine case, hong past the ukraine case, the hong kong case, the afghan case, there were cases that explained kong case, the afghan case, there butre cases that explained kong case, the afghan case, there butre caseareiat explained kong case, the afghan case, therebutre caseare peteringined kong case, the afghan case, therebutre caseare petering out this, but those are petering out now. so what's explaining this massive numbers, if this massive jump in numbers, if this isindeed massive jump in numbers, if this is indeed correct? and need is indeed correct? and we need to know these are to know whether these are temporary, stay student things if work permits being

if they're work permits being issued, attempt to issued, is an attempt to get cheap labour it an cheap labour in. is it an attempt to bring people we know the world, what is it? >> well, we know that work visas are up 45. okay we know also that existing work, foreign workers have extended visas significantly. you've touched on a really significant point, which is student numbers, because these numbers only include a percentage. it seems , include a percentage. it seems, of the overall student visas , of the overall student visas, which for the year, i think to june 23 was some 650,000. and compare to 4 or 5 years ago, it was just 200,000. and many of those are not included. so, i mean, this is this is more than a surge. it's like a torrent, right? >> yes, it is a torrent. and i think what's interesting with this is if you're looking at people who are here for the foreseeable future, what is the integration strategy for these people to come into this country 7 people to come into this country ? because one person, if there's no integration strategy is a

problem. if it's a 1.3 million, you've got a huge situation on your hands. >> absolutely right. well, let's turn now to scott . thank you for turn now to scott. thank you for being with us. what's the impact? i mean, you're an mp . impact? i mean, you're an mp. you stood in the last election on the basis of reducing immigration, particularly low skilled immigration. mean what's the impact on your constituents and how do you think they will react if these forecasts prove to be right on thursday? well when the british public are asked time and time again, they want to see net migration figures reduced. >> i'm afraid over the last 25 years we've seen expence , years we've seen expence, essential growth in immigration. firstly, under tony blair and the labour government and since then the conservative government . you mentioned the manifesto. i stood on, richard, which pledged to net migration numbers to reduce net migration numbers and despite that we are seeing probably two successive years of immigration, ocean net immigration, ocean net immigration in excess of 600,000. that is not what the british people want and we

expect they expect us as a government to drive down those figures that is not happening. my figures that is not happening. my constituents will rightly be absolutely furious . and you absolutely furious. and you mentioned because the number when the last general election was the net number was about 250 to 300,000, as i recall . to 300,000, as i recall. >> so you're looking at well over a doubling and rising four years later. >> absolutely. and the media often focus upon the illegal immigration problem. it's a legal migration part, which is put in such a huge pressure on pubuc put in such a huge pressure on public services , on housing in public services, on housing in this country for example. my constituents can't find an nhs dentist . they have huge problems dentist. they have huge problems finding social housing, public services are under immense pressure and yet we are seeing these record migration figures year upon year. >> these, of course, one follows. the other, frankly , as follows. the other, frankly, as night follows day, it's pretty obvious if you increase your population by 10,000,000 in 20 years, then you need to grow all

of your public services accordingly. if you're increasing your population net by 1% in one year, that's10% in by 1% in one year, that's 10% in ten years. at this rate . i mean, ten years. at this rate. i mean, the reality is that the government's completely misled us. i mean, some would say they've because some of this is deliberate. they set the threshold for their supposed skilled worker visa so low so that essentially it was open borders . borders. >> and i absolutely agree and don't forget, in 2016, the majority of people who voted to leave the eu did so because of immigration. so people voted in the eu referendum. they've returned to successive conservative governments since then with a pledge to drive down net migration and that hasn't happened. and people will rightly be incredibly upset and asking questions about why the government aren't driving down these figures and they are increasing year upon year. so there's another point to this, alan, which is that the ons in their infinite wisdom, they keep revising using the method of

calculate , putting the numbers , calculate, putting the numbers, and they did it six months ago and they did it six months ago and i think they've announced that in two days time they're going to revise the numbers again and also look back. >> i mean, the slightly cynic in me says that they might be cooking the books. am i being completely unfair ? completely unfair? >> well, they might be cooking the books the other way. actually ironically and including people figures including more people in figures that included, that should have been included, many years ago. maybe we always had a bigger problem we had a bigger problem than we actually that actually realised. there is that potential you know potential unless you know what the the mechanism the actual the actual mechanism is at. it's is that they're looking at. it's difficult make that prediction. >> so i looking at it >> so i suppose looking at it from the other side of the debate, many will economists debate, many will say economists possibly from from part of possibly some from from part of the conservative party that actually lawful immigration is a good thing. it grows the size of the economy and brings in more people to fill jobs. we've got a labour shortage. so that's their line of argument. what's your answer to that , given all the answer to that, given all the pressures we're seeing? well

that's an argument and this is why there is such a nuanced issue, because, of course, you've got this point. >> if you're bringing in people who are going to do jobs, they're tax as they're going to pay tax as well. that of side well. there is that sort of side there. and you're looking therefore potentially growing therefore at potentially growing therefore at potentially growing the side the economy. but the flip side is scott saying, the is what scott was saying, the infrastructure question, you can't just this amount of can't just bring this amount of people the country, if people into the country, even if they pay tax without the infrastructure support them. they pay tax without the infrayou cture support them. they pay tax without the infrayou also support them. they pay tax without the infrayou also can't pport them. they pay tax without the infrayou also can't ppcit them. they pay tax without the infrayou also can't ppcit if|em. they pay tax without the infrayou also can't ppcit if you and you also can't do it if you don't and you also can't do it if you dont an and you also can't do it if you don't an integration don't have an integration strategy essentially say, strategy to essentially say, right, in british right, you're in the uk, british values time your your british citizens you're going to citizens or you're going to become british citizen, but become a british citizen, but you're to become part of you're going to become part of this society. you're going to be part we've seen, part of it. and we've seen, haven't the last few haven't we, in the last few weeks, implications of that. weeks, the implications of that. if have that, you have if you don't have that, you have people your streets people on your streets disrespecting memorials, disrespecting our war memorials, etcetera, that etcetera, and things like that happening. etcetera, and things like that hapabsolutely so, scott, >> absolutely right. so, scott, we in the autumn we may hear in the autumn statement hunt, statement from from jeremy hunt, the chancellor tomorrow, a reference what they call the reference to what they call the starting to which starting point, to which people can with worker can come with skilled worker visas. i touched that it was down about 26,000. they're down at about 26,000. they're talking increasing talking about increasing it maybe to £30,000 year. do you

maybe to £30,000 a year. do you think that's enough? do you think that's enough? do you think will make any change? think that will make any change? the government might say, well, actually, this is going to cure the do you say the issue. you what do you say to or would you like to to that? or would you like to see the threshold much, much higher? >> i think there's number >> i think there's a number of things, government things, richard, the government has at the moment, not has to do at the moment, not just stop the boats and the illegal immigration aspect, but just stop the boats and the illeg putting gration aspect, but just stop the boats and the illeg putting a ation aspect, but just stop the boats and the illeg putting a cap1 aspect, but just stop the boats and the illeg putting a cap on;pect, but just stop the boats and the illeg putting a cap on thet, but just stop the boats and the illeg putting a cap on the number also putting a cap on the number of refugees which here of refugees which come here every closing down some of every year, closing down some of the student loophole routes, which, example, means which, for example, means somebody can graduate. and for two years afterwards they can stay in country without stay in this country without a job. we need to look at that. and as you've said, as well, we need to raise the salary threshold. i would that threshold. i would say that needs to be above £40,000, a encouraging noises coming out from robert jenrick . but i would from robert jenrick. but i would say it's enough and he has say it's not enough and he has to go further. if this government is serious about driving down migration , driving down net migration, which is what my constituents expect to see. >> well, you know, you see it in your postbag, i'm absolutely sure. gentlemen thank you so much. indeed. two days to go before that number is released.

keep an eye that, folks. we keep an eye on that, folks. we will coming back to on will be coming back to that on thursday evening. now up next, we've been talking about rwanda. a lot about is it a safe country or not? it looks as though it's a pretty good place to go if you want to see a gp very quickly. all of that after the .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . welcome radio. welcome back to farage on gb news. >> well, that was a fascinating discussion about lawful migration in the numbers from the ons coming out on thursday. we will be looking at that with detailed interest, particularly this point about change ing the method of calculation . i have to method of calculation. i have to say i'm pretty suspicious. we will be digging into that with great detail. now the question was, of course , well, if the was, of course, well, if the tories are struggling to control the numbers, maybe the labour

party will do better. will labour be better at controlling immigration? jeff says the government has no intention of reducing immigration. what evidence do we have? to the contrary, will the evidence is the numbers appear to be heading north, not south, mick says legal and illegal immigration ian are out of control. legal and illegal immigration ian are out of control . labour ian are out of control. labour will not deal with this because they open the gates in the first place. there's some truth to that, mick, but actually the truth is the tories deliberate policy post the last election with their skilled worker visas have actually made it significantly worse , not only on significantly worse, not only on the worker visas but also on the student visas. jazz says labour don't make me laugh. i'm sorry about that jazz . the people who about that jazz. the people who vote them in would be, let's try that again. the people who vote them in better be prepared for an amnesty on illegal immigration and unlimited legal immigration. jazz is pretty

clear, richard says finally , clear, richard says finally, will labour do any better, sir ? will labour do any better, sir? simply no . there you are. simply no. there you are. i think that's pretty comprehensive from all of you . comprehensive from all of you. keep those coming in. it's great to get your thoughts now , the to get your thoughts now, the second story, i mean , last week second story, i mean, last week we heard from our supreme court judges. yes the country of rwanda in africa is unsafe if it's an unsafe country , we. it's an unsafe country, we. okay. that's their judgement. well it may be i don't know. i've never been there, but it turns out, according to a report from the economist called the economist , the global health economist, the global health index , that the same country, index, that the same country, rwanda , is substantially better rwanda, is substantially better than the united kingdom for seeing a gp. you couldn't make it up, really, could you? it's easier to see a gp in the unsafe country of rwanda, in africa than here in the uk. in fact, britain is the third worst place

in the world to see a gp in either 24 hours or seven days, to see a family doctor. i suspect many of you are not surprised by that finding. well, let's speak to my next guest down the line, doctor lawrence buckman, who's a former gp, and also be the bma, uk gp's committee chair. lawrence, thank you so much indeed for being with us. you may have seen this report from the economist from their global health index . were their global health index. were you surprised by i mean, that pretty stark comparison between a developing nation, rwanda in africa, that apparently is unsafe to go to. but if you get there , the good news is you can there, the good news is you can see a gp within a day. not much chance here in the uk. what do you think to this? >> i'm not surprised at all. i predicted it 20, 25 years ago. it was obvious it was going to

happen and it has and i'm not pleased to be one of the many people who said i told them so. and we're now in the health service . uh, chaos that was service. uh, chaos that was obviously going to come . obviously going to come. >> and i guess lawrence , it's >> and i guess lawrence, it's not surprising. i mean, you talked about it 15, 20 years ago, so but if you allow a population of a nation to increase by 10 million, then surely you've got to plan for all the related impacts of that, whether it's housing, whether it's hospital beds, whether it's doctors, whether it's dentists. i mean, it doesn't seem to me to be rocket science . be rocket science. >> no, but it equally isn't rocket science to know that when the numbers of working gps is going to plummet in the future, which is now , in fact, it was which is now, in fact, it was about five years ago, it plummeted. then when the numbers plummeted. then when the numbers plummeted , the number of plummeted, the number of patients, even if there's no change in the population size, the number of patients who couldn't get access in a

reasonable timeframe was inevitably going to rocket. and that's what's happened . i don't that's what's happened. i don't think any gp's are proud of this, by the way. >> no, i'm sure not, apart from anything else, because of course there's a massive increase in there's a massive increase in the pressure of work for gp. so the pressure of work for gp. so the data i've got here, lawrence for england, the 7.8 gps per 10,000 of population is the oecd average age is 10.8. so we're about 25 to 30% down on on the oecd average. does that strike you as being about right from from your experience? i think it's worse than that . it's worse than that. >> the reason it's worse is because a lot of gp's don't work full time anymore , or i'm the full time anymore, or i'm the last dinosaur. full time anymore, or i'm the last dinosaur . a generation that last dinosaur. a generation that saw patients as across the entire working week. now gps can't work at that pace and i understand why. and i would suspect that those numbers are not completely accurate. there probably measuring number of humans rather than whole time equivalent. so the number of

doctors who work part time has risen enormously over the last 20 years. and partly because they can't cope with working a ten session week plus weekends and out of hours. >> so there's data that suggests that we need some 16,000 more gps. that's about a 44% increase. i mean, how are we going to find those gp's ? going to find those gp's? lawrence maybe actually we should, we should do like a reverse rwanda treaty and instead of sending illegal migrants to random, maybe we should go to rwanda and ask them if we can borrow some doctors for about five years. well we've been doing that for quite a long time. >> we've been raiding the old commonwealth and the new commonwealth and the new commonwealth for doctors. but of course, they need them to . course, they need them to. they're not very keen on seeing all their doctors run away and even though doctors do come to this country, we have a lot of doctors come in temporarily. but the fact is there's nowhere near enough. and i'm sorry to say that we had a big supply from

the european union , large the european union, large supply, particularly from holland , denmark and germany. holland, denmark and germany. and that's gone. so we've got a supply of doctors. no longer there. and you know, we can raid other countries to get more doctors, but it's not going to solve 16,000 extra doctors. you know. >> but so lawrence, why is the government persisting with as i understand, they've still got a cap on trading places for uk based graduates , students who based graduates, students who want to train in medicine to become a gp. hopefully and there's still a cap on those places . that's right, isn't it? places. that's right, isn't it? >> it is a it's mysterious. i'm sure it has something to do with money, i would guess. but it isn't anything to do with need because we clearly need an enormous expansion, 44% expansion. that sounds about right . well, you're not going to right. well, you're not going to get that without the ten year time. it takes to grow gps or to grow other health care workers.

we need doctors , nurses, all the we need doctors, nurses, all the other people so we don't run our plant 24 hours a day because we haven't got the staff to manage. we could be running scanners 24 hours a day if we had enough radiographers we don't have any of things in place. we've of those things in place. we've let happen and we're let it happen and now we're staring at what was i was told was the shroud waiver the was the shroud waiver at the turn of the century. and now what a surprise is. it's all going wrong. well there's a lot to be done. >> lawrence, thank you so much indeed, for joining >> lawrence, thank you so much indeed, forjoining me . that's >> lawrence, thank you so much ind laurence)ining me . that's >> lawrence, thank you so much ind laurence buckman,. that's >> lawrence, thank you so much ind laurence buckman, former gp dr. laurence buckman, former gp and bma , uk gp's committee and bma, uk gp's committee chair. well, coming up after the break, of course, you know where nigel is. he's down under quite a bit, revealing last week. yesterday evening, wasn't it ? yesterday evening, wasn't it? we'll be coming to that straight after the break. to see the latest with ben

>> you're listening to gb news newsradio . newsradio. >> welcome back to farage here

on gb news. well you may have stayed up last night. you may have watched i'm a celebrity . have watched i'm a celebrity. and of course, nigel was having to do some frankly, pretty horrific trials , just all sorts horrific trials, just all sorts of stuff . quite a revealing of stuff. quite a revealing episode as well. let's just take a quick sort of summary of some of the things that we saw last night. >> this one's horrible. yeah. yeah right . yeah right. >> is this still on the menu or. off this is not good. >> yeah , he took the whole >> yeah, he took the whole plumbing one go there. >> not. yeah vomit fruit , >> not. yeah vomit fruit, fermented tofu and fermented plums. this i mean, this is the potential to really depress you for. >> for weeks . good. well that's >> for weeks. good. well that's what it's come . to what it's come. to >> oh it's a bit. there's a bit

dripping . dripping. >> i used to work. he's can't speak, can't speak. >> it's not bad. >> it's not bad. >> it's not bad. >> it has been described be awful . oh dear. oh dear. oh awful. oh dear. oh dear. oh dean awful. oh dear. oh dear. oh dear. oh . dear. oh dear. dear. oh. dear. oh dear. >> oh dear . >> oh dear. >> oh dear. >> i've got to be honest i know ginger quite well. it's not often you see him lost for words, but that, i think, is fair to say, did look indescribably awful . dear. oh, indescribably awful. dear. oh, dean indescribably awful. dear. oh, dear. it really did. no chance of me wanting to do that . now, of me wanting to do that. now, i think the guy who's got the best job at the moment, he's on the gold coast is our very own ben leo. we can go to him now. there it is. i think it's probably fairly early in the morning. so ben , lucky you down there. ben, lucky you down there. what's the latest? down under my friend . friend. >> good day, richard. well, look. hallelujah yeah. it's not raining today. not yet, look. hallelujah yeah. it's not raining today . not yet, anyway. raining today. not yet, anyway. it's just started spitting, so

thankfully, i don't look like a drowned rat this morning. but talking of dead animals, didn't nigel do well last night ? jungle nigel do well last night? jungle pizzeria. know you just played pizzeria. i know you just played the menu that he scoffed on the show last night. camel udder sheep , udder cows, teat camel sheep, udder cows, teat camel behind and croc reproductive organ . let's say he took it down organ. let's say he took it down extremely well, as you saw. what a star. and it also went down well with the viewers as well back home. lots of congratulate messages for him on social media here. elsewhere, rishi sunak of all people today asked if he's been watching i'm a celebrity. his official spokesman said. i strongly doubt it. perhaps because nigel's not going to be on tonight's show doing a trial. what to come tonight, though, for nigel. he does have a rather emotional little chat with the with the campmates about his infamous plane crash where he nearly died , of course, some nearly died, of course, some years ago . and on a more serious years ago. and on a more serious note, i tweeted yesterday about right wingers gb news fans,

nigel fans taking offence at what i think are quite funny jokes from ant and dec about nigel and the channel. it's all in good jest. however since then ihave in good jest. however since then i have to just pick up on itv's lorraine kelly who off the back of those rather funny scenes of nigel last night naked in the shower where josie gibson strolled past, looked up and saw nigel's bare behind and lorraine kelly. i don't know if you saw, but on her show yesterday morning or was it this morning your time basically taking the mick and body shaming nigel saying that she couldn't believe he was 59, saying that he looks much older and yet laughing and cackling away with two other female guests. and in fact, she said, i guess you get the face you deserve talking about nigel's look. so let me just say, lorraine, could you imagine the uproar if that was me ? you the uproar if that was me? you richard tice patrick christys saying that about a female? the double standards are staggering. but look , i on a lighter note, i

but look, i on a lighter note, i had some fun yesterday on the gold coast here. i had the stretch job of traipsing up and down the golden beaches here, asking the locals whether they knew nigel farage and what they thought of him. check this out . thought of him. check this out. ben leo gb news. what do the aussies know about nigel farage? who's that ? the i don't know . who's that? the i don't know. nigel farage. have you heard of him ? never. nigel farage well, him? never. nigel farage well, he's a funny was on the european union at one stage. that's right. he led the brexit campaign. yeah. yeah yeah. >> it's, i think in the government, but i don't know who it is. tony blair. >> no, tony blair. nigel farage. are you a fan of farage? what do you think? absolutely not. no. did you know he's in the jungle? is he the. i'm a celeb jungle? >> yeah. hopefully they leave him there. >> are you a fan of farage? yeah, not particularly, no. >> , be good mate. >> oh, i'd be a good mate. >> oh, i'd be a good mate. >> remain 100. yeah. now you know, is the jungle.

know, farage is in the jungle. >> where are you going? to hammer the phones to sure hammer the phones to make sure he the trials. hammer the phones to make sure he that'd the trials. hammer the phones to make sure he that'd be 1e trials. hammer the phones to make sure he that'd be good.ls. hammer the phones to make sure he that'd be good. yeah >> that'd be good. yeah >> that'd be good. yeah >> nigel far farage. yeah. >> nigel far, far farage. yeah. who is it? >> nigel farage. >> nigel farage. >> are you a fan of his? >> are you a fan of his? >> no. no >> no. no >> of em— >> because of brexit. >> because of brexit. >> yes. yeah >> yes. yes. yeah >> nigel farage. do you like him? yes. yes he says what he thinks. >> and do you agree with brexit? >> and do you agree with brexit? >> yes . yeah >> yes. yeah >> yes. yeah >> there we are . they agree with >> there we are. they agree with brexit. ben. fantastic thank you so much. indeed i know it's a strenuous job. ben but try to have some fun along the way. that's ben. leo down on the gold coast. he looks pretty comfortable, doesn't he? seems to me. well, there's been all sorts chat the newspaper sorts of chat in the newspaper and everywhere. and as you were just lorraine kelly just saying about lorraine kelly and others sort of at and many others sort of look at it, max cartoon today was quite extraordinary in the telegraph . extraordinary in the telegraph. just take a look at this. eating bugsin just take a look at this. eating bugs in a box full of snakes to be fair to remainers, it's what they said would happen if we

voted brexit. matt is absolutely brilliant. moving on to other what the farage moment. goodness me. well, nigel didn't look very comfortable or as though he was enjoying that that meal yesterday. what i do know he loves a bit of lamb and this morning at 630 i was down at smithfield market with the bosses down there. they were showing me around the whole market. absolutely amazing. and i've got a picture here of me with a couple of the bosses of smithfield market and we're in one of the traders stores there. and behind us, there are the finest lambs, the finest lambs going to the finest hotels and restaurants here in london. nigel, i mean, his mouth will be salivating at at that. lamb as opposed to eating those organs that he had to eat last night. and now some more brexit. bad news. i've got for you and this

is the final what the farage moment. and nigel will pick this up when he is back because lord cameron. yes? we must get used to his title. he, of course , to his new title. he, of course, is been in the job. i think he's just had his robes ennobled yesterday . i think it was. just had his robes ennobled yesterday. i think it was. he's beenin yesterday. i think it was. he's been in the for job just over a week, but already we are seeing that there is a shift and i'm heanng that there is a shift and i'm hearing concerning indications that he is greenlighting a sort of cosying up by the civil servants in the foreign office to the officials in brussels with the european union. there's a tweet that gives it away . a tweet that gives it away. there is a very senior official from the foreign office talking meeting a very senior official in in the eu, you might say, well, that might have been in the diary for ages. my sources tell me. and this we're going to keep an eye on that already. they are looking to get closer in cooperation, particularly with regard to defence, where

actually there are no new agreements , there's no agreements, there's no transparency of what's being talked about. i guess we're not surprised by what lord cameron might be doing . but i tell you might be doing. but i tell you what, we're going to keep a very, very close eye. that's my final what the farage coming up after the break, another absolute shocker today at the covid inquiry. there is sir chris whitty will be looking at heanng chris whitty will be looking at hearing what he had to say yesterday , of course, was yesterday, of course, was patrick vallance . i'll be patrick vallance. i'll be talking about that with my next guests straight after the break on patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm. argentina's new pm vows to take the falklands back . vows to take the falklands back. >> do we need to do everything to tell him? hands off their arms plus fill the power. taylor backs nigel in more ways than one. >> nigel farage is good at politics. i like him. i'd vote for him if he was prime minister. it gives me find out what he had to say about farage down under as tune in to the most exciting paper of you

anywhere on the telly. >> patrick christys. tonight 9 to 11.

>> welcome back to farage, the last segment of the show before jacob rees—mogg, of course, comes at 8:00. he'll be talking about the autumn statement tomorrow . but of course, the tomorrow. but of course, the ongoing covid inquiry don't worry, you might miss it. i think it's going to last somewhere between 4 and 6 or seven years. might cost a couple of hundred million quid. we need to find out whether actually it's fit for purpose . but let's it's fit for purpose. but let's just let's just take a listen to before we go to my guests, sir chris whitty. his evidence today , a critical critical point in today's evidence . today's evidence. >> it's very aware that we essentially had two different things. we were trying to balance the risk of going too early , in which case you get all

early, in which case you get all the damages from this with actually fairly minimal impact on the epidemic and the risk of going too late , in which case going too late, in which case you get all the problems of the pandemic running away . now, as pandemic running away. now, as we, i'm sure come to on my view is with the benefit of hindsight, we went a bit too late on the first wave, and i've been very clear about that for some time . some time. >> i have to say, i thought that was really telling because the question that sir chris whitty asked was we had to weigh up the risk of going too early and the risk of going too early and the risk of going too early and the risk of going too late. and yet all the chat amongst the establishment , the politicians, establishment, the politicians, the experts , the chair of the the experts, the chair of the inquiry , the barrister of the inquiry, the barrister of the inquiry, the barrister of the inquiry, seems to have been on. did we lock too down late? did we lock down too late ? then we lock down too late? then you've got sir chris whitty. one thing that they might lock down too early, so it seems to me fundamentally that actually this

inquiry , which should be looking inquiry, which should be looking at all of the evidence, should they have locked down at all, for example , they're focusing on for example, they're focusing on did we lock down too late and yet actually, sir chris whitty is saying we were worried about locking down too early. well, i'm delighted to be joined as my first guest down the line on this by dr. chris smith, consultant virologist and presenter of the naked scientist. chris, thanks for being with me on the farage show . obviously, this inquiry is ongoing , but evidence from ongoing, but evidence from people like sir chris whitty, patrick vallance and absolutely critical. they were central within it. they were the experts , the best science we were told in in the world. what do you think of this inquiry so far? i mean , it's very long lasting. mean, it's very long lasting. it's very expensive. it's going to take years , years. but i've to take years, years. but i've got to ask the simple question , got to ask the simple question, chris, is it fit for purpose as i thought yesterday was pretty

illuminating. >> obviously, we had patrick vallance diary and therefore it was a bit more inflammatory and exciting. we had that to go on. whereas today it was a bit more pedestrian because it was very to the letter. what was official document documentation . and, and document documentation. and, and chris whitty was also singing from very much the same song sheet. so a lot of this wasn't new territory. so it wasn't quite as invigorating, but it was telling and it started fairly interestingly with patrick vallance illuminating bofis patrick vallance illuminating boris exactly how underprepared scientifically the civil service is with 90% of their graduate intake being from non stem science technology , engineering, science technology, engineering, maths backgrounds, which he was sort of alluding to, the fact that that will create an atmosphere which makes it less easy for scientific fact to land .then easy for scientific fact to land . then we had the revelations about boris johnson leaving school at 15. well, i wasn't so surprised. leaving school at 15, stopping science rather, at 15, i wasn't quite so surprised about that because lots of

people stopped doing science at 15 16. that's why we surround 15 or 16. that's why we surround ourselves with various advisers and and then we had the and so on. and then we had the question of how well prepared the country was. and chris whitty really dwelled on that wasn't wasn't quite hard today where he was saying when all this began to really show its true colours at the end of january and really we began to anticipate we would have a problem, he said , well, i went problem, he said, well, i went and had a look at what our preparedness pandemic plans were and he said that they were not fit for purpose . fit for purpose. >> that was very but i remember. i remember, chris, we were told at the time that we had one of the best pandemic plans in the world and that we were sort of gold standard by the who. we were reassured all would be were reassured that all would be fine. we're hearing fine. but now we're hearing actually it was completely the opposite. me that opposite. it seems to me that someone been telling someone hasn't been telling the truth. along line. truth. somewhere along the line. >> well, one the things chris >> well, one of the things chris whitty to today was whitty went on to say today was when looked at that plan, it when he looked at that plan, it appeared to have been written by and written and probably was written by people through the

people who had come through the swine pandemic. mean, swine flu pandemic. i mean, i was a diagnostic was working in a diagnostic laboratory at the time of swine flu as well . so we got a busy flu as well. so we got a busy but relatively easy ride. and i think he was suggesting that because we got off lightly, that people didn't take such a worst case scenario from it as perhaps they could have done . the other they could have done. the other interesting thing missed or not mentioned, i don't think i missed it was that in 2016, the country ran something called operation cygnus , and this was operation cygnus, and this was under jeremy operation cygnus, and this was underjeremy hunt's stewardship under jeremy hunt's stewardship when he was health secretary. this was to pressure test our preparedness for if there was an influenza pandemic and the wheels fell off of that completely . and if anything was completely. and if anything was going to be a warning as to what state we were in, i think it was that, to be perfectly frank and unsurprisingly, when three years later covid turned up, of course we all prepared because we we were all prepared because we hadnt hadn't changed anything. but chris, than that chris, that it's worse than that because operation because chris, that operation you've just referred to, operation it was so bad. operation cygnus, it was so bad. >> it was a disaster. as you

said, the wheels came off. they actually redacted, did lots of the recommendations from the report before giving it to ministers. chris, i've ministers. finally chris, i've just to this simple just got to ask this simple question. is this inquiry asking the wrong question? they all seem be saying the only seem to be saying the only question is, did we lock down too late? surely the too late? but surely the question should be are actually given all the factors that we now know , were we right to lock now know, were we right to lock down at all or should we have looked at the sort of thing that sweden did ? sweden did? >> well, i think you've got to consider the pandemic as a whole, but also consider the outbreak in different places , outbreak in different places, because when it first happened, we were confronted thing something we knew absolutely nothing about. this was a novel enemy with novel moves. we had noidea enemy with novel moves. we had no idea what it was capable of. we were very much in learning mode once we were a bit further down the track . obviously the down the track. obviously the game changes because we've learned to play the game. we've learned to play the game. we've learned what moves it's capable of. we know how it tends to perform. so there's not one rule that applies throughout the

pandemic all circumstances . pandemic in all circumstances. and so in the first instance, most people agree that you should until you really know what you're combating, should until you really know what you're combating , try to what you're combating, try to stop it to the greatest extent possible. and if that means a lockdown, so be it. that doesn't mean, though, that you get that. >> is the benefit >> but the point is the benefit of hindsight, of of hindsight, the benefit of hindsight, is to look at hindsight, chris, is to look at whether or not we did the right thing at all, whether, know, thing at all, whether, you know, should down as we should we have locked down as we did? chris, we'll coming did? but, chris, we'll be coming back because there's back to this because there's years of this. we years and years of this. but we need to know and we need to get to the truth. and i want to know if we misled or lied to. if we were misled or lied to. that's smith. thank that's dr. chris smith. thank you for being with us. you very much for being with us. now, i'm going to go to now, finally, i'm going to go to molly who's the molly kingsley, who's the co—author of the accountability deficit and co—founder of the children's for children's campaign group us for them. evening. thanks them. molly good evening. thanks for with us. i know you them. molly good evening. thanks for following] us. i know you them. molly good evening. thanks for following this i know you them. molly good evening. thanks for following this inquiry you are following this inquiry closely than most people . you've closely than most people. you've been very focussed on it. what do you think are these two days of critic evidence from patrick vallance and sir chris whitty ?

vallance and sir chris whitty? >> yeah, i think there have been really interesting days . i think really interesting days. i think i mean, you know, there's so much we could say and we've only got limited time, but i think for me actually from today's testimony, interesting testimony, the most interesting thing was that actually whitty comes across quite sensible in the scheme of things . you know, the scheme of things. you know, he was obviously very focussed on the harms that would flow from lockdown and other interventions, very worried about that. he's been very criticised for being, you know, the delayer is what hugo, he called him, repeated and you know, that was a morally culpable position for him to have taken. we were left in no doubt of that. i think just addressing some of the questions with your last guest, you know, is the inquiry asking the right. no, it is not. and you know, almost every week that goes on, i and i know many others have become more and more concerned about because we still have about this because we still have no discussion of the real meat of the issue. did lockdowns and other interventions work? did benefit outweigh harms and the

reason for that is because the inquiry has been almost myopically focussed on harms flowing from the virus . flowing from the virus. >> absolutely right. and i was fascinated by this point from chris whitty. they were worried about locking too down early. that's literally the first time that i that's literally the first time thati can that's literally the first time that i can recall hearing that. and yet everybody else in this inquiry seems be totally inquiry seems to be totally focussed locking down too focussed on locking down too late, given everything you seeing. >> and it was notable, richard, that keith actually said to whitty that he'd made a devastating mistake , i think devastating mistake, i think were the words that he'd used with that view and actually , you with that view and actually, you know, it was a brave acknowledgement, thought from whitty. he's very much going against it. well, not against. but, you know, it's not entirely what vallance yesterday. what vallance said yesterday. and vallance very much and vallance was very much clearly of, you know, clearly in favour of, you know, quicker harsher quicker lockdowns, harsher lockdowns, , i lockdowns, longer lockdowns, i suppose, at least. >> chris whitty, today did actually that he was actually say that he was concerned about the impact of lockdown fines on those from depnved lockdown fines on those from deprived areas in areas of

deprivation which which again is about the first time i've heard this inquiry to that. this inquiry refer to that. >> it is. and actually i mean i never thought i would say this, but i actually felt quite sorry for whitty so you really for whitty today. so you really got impression that he found got the impression that he found himself at the centre of what was a very, very uncomfortable and, you know, set of governance of ethics of government. and, you know, he talked repeatedly that actually someone had needed to seize on this and that they needed to, you know, get get think about how to get it away from just the health part to the centre of politics and government. and we seem to be gathering that. that never happened. >> no. molly, thank you so much indeed, for your thoughts on that. all most feeling sorry for chris whitty relative to the others. thank you. molly kingsley from us for them. turning now to , of course, the turning now to, of course, the next hour, lovely to have next hour, jacob lovely to have you back after your hard work in the of commons last night. the house of commons last night. we sort of in we were watching you sort of in front slightly chamber. front of slightly empty chamber. you , did they pass

you must tell me, did they pass the amendment? i mean, you worked so hard on it. >> amendment hasn't been >> the amendment hasn't been passed government is passed, but the government is going introduce a statutory going to introduce a statutory instrument have the instrument to have broadly the same effect. so this was about creating pressure to make sure that we all get de—banking . that we all get de—banking. >> but do you feel vindicated with your hard work? >> i think it was worth doing and i think it was really important and that nigel highlighted something that's happening to lots other happening to lots of other people. about people. it's not just about nigel. the had a go at me nigel. the snp had a go at me saying all doing saying all you're doing is supporting friends. supporting your posh friends. my posh they were chewing posh friends, they were chewing viscera of unmentionable animals, leaving that to one animals, but leaving that to one side it's not just about nigel, it's about my constituents who get big day tomorrow at the autumn statement. >> what is the key thing you want hear from the chancellor want to hear from the chancellor of exchequer? want to hear from the chancellor of ex i lequer? want to hear from the chancellor of em would’ want to hear from the chancellor of em would like to see >> well, i would like to see a tax abolished and i think that should be duties. but i'd should be death duties. but i'd also to see him increase also like to see him increase the threshold help small the vat threshold to help small businesses. one of the real businesses. it's one of the real burdens businesses. burdens to small businesses. >> about the personal >> and what about the personal income threshold? because income tax threshold? because for , that affects least

for me, that affects the least well lowest paid the well off the lowest paid the most would the greatest most and would have the greatest sort economic growth factor . sort of economic growth factor. >> just think it was one of >> i just think it was one of the great things the coalition did was to raise threshold did was to raise the threshold child 12,500 pounds, because child to 12,500 pounds, because taking people out of tax is a good thing to do. the question is, is there the to money do it? i think what you do has to be funded. we can't do it on the never never. this country is already found. >> headroom. well, 20. >> lots of headroom. well, 20. >> lots of headroom. well, 20. >> £20 billion of headroom is not amount in terms of not a huge amount in terms of government financing. so you want it for affordable want to use it for affordable things. but i'm going to be giving a shadow budget, a shadow budget. would i do if i had budget. what would i do if i had this money? a mogg budget? >> fantastic. >> absolutely fantastic. have a great thank very much, great show. thank you very much, everyone. i'll be back tomorrow night. it is, of course, the all important weather coming up. >> welcome to your >> good evening. welcome to your latest news update . latest gb news weather update. with from the met with me, annie from the met office. it will be staying cloudier through tomorrow with some rain moving in from the north, but still some sunshine on southern areas on offer across southern areas with that high pressure still dominating the ridge, extending across many areas of england and

wales. but further north, we've got a weather front in charge throughout evening. throughout this evening. and that charge into that will stay in charge into wednesday and thursday as well . wednesday and thursday as well. so we've got rain arriving across much of western scotland, parts of northern ireland as well. further south, it will stay dry tonight. some mist and fog temperatures fog developing and temperatures falling lower than night as falling lower than last night as low as 2 or 3, perhaps in some southern counties. so a bit of a cold mystere start on wednesday morning. but the sunshine will come out throughout the afternoon once again. so not a bad day for the time of year. a rather different story, though, for the further north with some rain persisting, particularly across far north of across the far north of scotland, the north—west in particular, the rain particular, where the rain totals will start to build up. but despite the rain, it will be fairly mild for the time of yean fairly mild for the time of year, as high as 14 degrees in north eastern scotland. then thursday little thursday, there's little change for areas apart from the for many areas apart from the far north where that front does then clear through. and we've got much colder air behind it. so see some snow so we could see some snow showers starting to fall over

the hills. and generally there just a cold feel to the just will be a cold feel to the wind. that cold feel will become more widespread into friday and will last into the weekend with temperatures falling to single figures

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