>> good evening. you're with gb news. and our top story tonight. a raft of tax cuts and benefits increases aimed at making 27 million people better off was announced by the chancellor today in the biggest change outlined in his autumn statement, jeremy hunt said national insurance will be cut from 12% to 10. the triple lock on pensions will be kept taking the state pension up by 8.5% to more than £220 a week. and taxes on alcohol will be frozen until august next year, meaning no increases in duty on beer cider wines or spirits. in other increases in duty on beer cider

wines or spirits . in other news wines or spirits. in other news today, the mother of a 28 year old woman shot dead in liverpool has labelled her daughter's killers monsters as they were jailed for life today for the murder, ashley dale was murdered when james witham forced his way into her home and opened fire with a machine gun. he and three other men were handed life sentences with minimum terms to serve of between 41 and 47 years, and the home town of four teenage boys who died in north wales cancelled. tonight's christmas lights switch on. out of respect for the families involved and jevon hirst harvey owen will fitchett and hugo morris were on a camping trip to the snowdonia region , but their the snowdonia region, but their bodies were recovered yesterday after a car was found overturned and partially submerged in water. north wales police says it appears to have been a tragic accident . a man and a woman in accident. a man and a woman in their 30s have died after a migrant boat capsized off the french coast this evening.

french coast this evening. french and british maritime agencies were called to reports of a boat in difficulties around eight miles off the coast of boulogne at around 5:00, around 60 people were crammed on board the small boat, which had begun sinking. some other migrants were taken to dungeness in kent . were taken to dungeness in kent. israel's national security adviser says no hostages will be released before friday. that's after an agreed four day pause in fighting starting tomorrow morning. binyamin netanyahu earlier said humanitarian workers from the red cross would be allowed to visit all remaining hostages in captivity in gaza . 50 will be freed by the in gaza. 50 will be freed by the terror group hamas. in exchange . terror group hamas. in exchange. for 150 palestinians who were held in israeli prisons. and here in the uk. the new foreign secretary, david cameron, said the truce was a crucial step towards providing humanitarian relief to gazans . and lastly, relief to gazans. and lastly,

the president of south korea has attended a banquet at the guildhall in london tonight, along with the lord mayor of the city of london. and a warning for television viewers, it does contain some flashing images as the president and first lady were joined by the duke and duchess of gloucester and earlier, the prime minister and his wife welcomed them to number 10 downing street. yoon suk yeol and sunak signed a new and rishi sunak signed a new long agreement covering long term agreement covering defence and technology. the deal covering improved military cooperation between the uk and south korea focussed on countering smuggling in the east china sea . you're with gb news china sea. you're with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel. hello and welcome to

headliners, your first look at thursday's newspapers. >> i'm andrew doyle and joining me to gently caress thursday's newspapers is ladies man louis schaefer and his wingman , nick schaefer and his wingman, nick dixon. i think i've got that the right way round, haven't i? >> am i the wingman? well you seem like you are the kind of supportive jock. >> of who hangs around and. >> kind of who hangs around and. >> kind of who hangs around and. >> he's my wingman. >> oh, he's my wingman. >> oh, he's my wingman. >> i think so. >> i think so. >> didn't even know that i >> louis didn't even know that i meant the other day because we tried approach tried to approach michael knowles, was my wingman. knowles, and he was my wingman. or his wingman, right? yes or i was his wingman, right? yes we're talking to a straight man. >> wingman is the one >> yeah, a wingman is the one who butters up the who sort of butters up the desired object. >> i thinking i like >> i was thinking maybe i like legs breast. i was more legs or the breast. i was more of a whole chicken man. not just a when he said wing . a wing. when he said a wing. >> worried whether you >> i was worried whether you were for a minute were going there for a minute but you clarified it's but since you clarified it's fine. >> let's have a look before we crack with front pages crack on with the front pages for daily mail is for thursday. the daily mail is leading with i hope, hope. it's just the start. that's a story about the budget, which we're obviously going to get to obviously we're going to get to in a moment. the telegraph has

the cuts since the biggest tax cuts since the 19805. the biggest tax cuts since the 1980s. start 1980s. you're going to start sensing here. the sun , sensing a theme here. the sun, new year's. hey the eye news has tax burdened hit record high, despite £0.02 cut for millions and guardian has hunt reveals £20 billion in tax cuts as tories move on to election footing . the daily star really footing. the daily star really bucking the trend. here they go with stevie wonder took me joyriding. that's a story about the eurhythmics. those were your front pages . right we're going front pages. right we're going to kick off with thursday's daily mail. louis, what have you got? >> we've got the biggest tax cut since the 1980s. and this is this is the budget that the chancellor i don't understand how politics in this country works. well, i'm glad we came to you first. >> you're on the right show. >> you're on the right show. >> yeah, well, you can explain it to me. you have you have the head of the government who's rishi sunak and then you got this who's charge this other guy who's in charge of the money. >> it's the chancellor the >> it's the chancellor of the exchequer. the chancellor

exchequer. yes. the chancellor of jeremy hunt. of the exchequer, jeremy hunt. >> haven't heard a lot about >> we haven't heard a lot about him is the other people him because is the other people have messing up. have been messing things up. >> have. since nick's >> they have. well, since nick's here and nick is rather an expert on the budget, why don't you us what it's all about? you tell us what it's all about? >> yeah. i mean, the >> i can do? yeah. i mean, the main thing that the national main thing is that the national insurance cut from 12% to 10. so you'll save £450 a year if you're it doesn't you're earning 35 k, it doesn't really louis, but some really affect louis, but some people will. and you've got. people it will. and you've got. >> would you keep my business? >> would you keep my business? >> i'm you showed me a >> i'm sorry. you showed me a form , a bank statement before we form, a bank statement before we went air and he didn't went on air and he didn't mention the figures. >> so i think, yeah, he >> louis so i think, yeah, he was discreet. >> louis so i think, yeah, he wasbut discreet. >> louis so i think, yeah, he wasbut discipeople have pointed >> but some people have pointed out for every £1 you gain in national it's offset national insurance, it's offset by lose on income tax by £4. we'll lose on income tax thresholds which have been frozen 2028, is called frozen to 2028, which is called fiscal drag. 4 million more people will be dragged into paying people will be dragged into paying income tax and 3 million more people will be dragged into the higher rate of tax. yes. >> so but of course, this isn't about what's good. >> liam halligan it was all just memorised. >> i mean, it was it was it was very impressive. nick, i've got

more. but really, this is an altruist pick. this isn't about helping individual and helping individual people and families struggling families and their struggling circumstances. it is largely about growth. the about developing growth. and the idea according to the idea here is, according to the chancellor, view a chancellor, his view is that a cut in national of cut in national insurance of this kind have a bigger this kind will have a bigger impact on growth income impact on growth than an income tax cut . is he right? tax cut. is he right? >> well, i mean, now you've just gone my economic gone beyond my economic pay grade. when i said grade. you when i said those stats, quite good. stats, i sounded quite good. i mean, no idea on that. mean, i've got no idea on that. >> well, i mean, isn't that a bit a quasi kwarteng? isn't bit of a quasi kwarteng? isn't that what that guy was involved in? didn't. didn't didn't in? yeah. didn't. didn't didn't they do this year ago or whatever? >> extent. i mean, >> not to the extent. i mean, what kwarteng are they what kwasi kwarteng are they heading that direction? heading in that direction? >> were they were >> and they were and they were pounded they were forced pounded and they were forced out of, out of office and well, they were pounded. >> the markets >> louis because the markets were which is the were spooked, which is the phrase they like to use. >> yeah. whereas huntsman sort of then hunt said of warning but then hunt said they weren't going to these they weren't going to do these tax only doing tax cuts. they're only doing them now because they're desperate about the election, which get into later. but which we'll get into later. but and way, it's a well, and by the way, it's a well, liam actually earlier today liam actually said earlier today on 5 or £0.06 increase

on gb it's a 5 or £0.06 increase to the basic rate of income tax in terms. so that's the big in real terms. so that's the big criticism. maybe get to criticism. maybe we'll get on to that. stuff. that. and there's more stuff. there's minimum there's there's minimum wage, there's the there's so many the triple lock, there's so many things to talk about. well let's just about the just quickly talk about the minimum rise. minimum wage rise. >> this is an example >> okay. so this is an example of and there's a rise in benefits. so this is an example of ostensibly of how they are ostensibly helping weakest in society, helping the weakest in society, the vulnerable in society. the most vulnerable in society. it a it doesn't strike me as a particularly tory, traditionally. >> and it's a big >> tory, no. and it's a big rise. minimum gone up rise. a minimum wage has gone up from to 1144. yes and my from 1042 to 1144. yes and my problem with minimum wage is always, even in my layman, understanding, is that it penalises and they understanding, is that it penalafford and they understanding, is that it penalafford to and they understanding, is that it penalafford to hire and they understanding, is that it penalafford to hire people.�*|ey understanding, is that it penalafford to hire people. and can't afford to hire people. and that my worry. that would be my worry. >> but but on the other >> okay, but but on the other hand, you know, earning what is it, 40 something an hour, it, £10, 40 something an hour, it's difficult live that, it's difficult to live on that, you i think it is you know, and i think it is important that, you know, it is. i remember getting paid £3 something megastore in something at virgin megastore in newcastle. less than newcastle. i got even less than that boy. right so i that as a paper boy. right so i know what i know what it's know what it's i know what it's like, but it isn't, it isn't the business. >> it isn't the business of the government to find what, what is a wage. don't know a living wage. we don't know

what wage is. each what a living wage is. each person a different person is a different arbitrarily well. >> this number. >> this number. >> do you think nick's >> what do you think of nick's view know although view that you know although obviously i've made the case that people on minimum do that people on minimum wage do need sustain their need to be able to sustain their existence. this existence. nick saying that this actually bad for employers because they can't you know, their go their costs go up. >> agree with that. and i >> i agree with that. and i would have to say that i'm against the minimum but against the minimum wage. but but other side, if you but on the other side, if you don't minimum wage go up don't let the minimum wage go up right. go up, right. if you don't not go up, you force it on the you don't force it on the people, then happens people, then then what happens is, feels is, is the government then feels free, feels the necessity to give to those give the benefits to those people, that's called, give the benefits to those peoplethey that's called, give the benefits to those peoplethey where that's called, give the benefits to those peoplethey where they; called, give the benefits to those peoplethey where they actually where they where they actually see somebody where they where they actually see not somebody where they where they actually see not making somebody where they where they actually see not making much)mebody where they where they actually see not making much moneyy where they where they actually see not making much money and who's not making much money and helps sending helps out amazon by sending money to that person on zero hours contracts. >> are you talking about not zero hours contracts. so now, sorry, outsourcing. oh no. say it again. when? >> no, don't say it again. i think we i think we've got. >> no, no, no. it's a very important concept which is which is there are people who are being paid a low amount of money, which below a certain money, which is below a certain amount then amount of money. and then the government says, okay, instead of instead saying of giving you instead of saying you stop

you shouldn't, you should stop working , we will top working entirely, we will top you up. >> top you up. >> we'll top you up. >> we'll top you up. >> exactly right. and who does that except people >> exactly right. and who does that topped xcept people >> exactly right. and who does that toppedxcejpresumably? >> exactly right. and who does that topped xcejpresumably? no. being topped up, presumably? no. the largest companies , because the largest companies, because they don't have to pay that. the largest companies, because the oh, n't have to pay that. the largest companies, because the oh, there's; to pay that. the largest companies, because the oh, there's that. ay that. the largest companies, because the oh, there's that. yeah, t. >> oh, there's that. yeah, absolutely. well, listen, we're >> oh, there's that. yeah, absolltoly. well, listen, we're >> oh, there's that. yeah, absollto move ll, listen, we're >> oh, there's that. yeah, absollto move to listen, we're >> oh, there's that. yeah, absollto move to on en, we're >> oh, there's that. yeah, absollto move to on another; going to move to on another story the budget. story about the budget. obviously, all of the front covers are covering covering the budget. different ways. budget. but in different ways. the seems of positive, the mail seems sort of positive, slightly the mail seems sort of positive, slightlis a full cynical, mirror is a full cynical, i think. what are the mirror doing? nick yeah, the mirror. >> they us for >> go. do they take us all for fools? and say, it's more fools? and as you say, it's more anti budget, but it's not anti the budget, but it's not that things that dissimilar to the things people on news people are saying on gb news throughout you throughout the day. so it's, you know, one say we're know, no one can say we're partisan to tories there, partisan to the tories there, but it's yeah, they're saying the but tax surges takes the cut but tax surges takes more, what more, which is exactly what i said. slows and said. yeah. growth slows and inflation high. more inflation stays high. more austerity election austerity to fund election bnbes austerity to fund election bribes, obviously the bribes, which obviously the inflation staying high. >> is the tricky >> i mean that is the tricky thing to either to regulate or to predict ultimately , according to predict ultimately, according to predict ultimately, according to this, it's saying that the office for budget responsibility is saying that inflation is going to fall to 2.8% by the end of next year with a target of 2%

by was 11% october by 2025. and it was 11% october last year. so it's going in the right direction, but it's very , right direction, but it's very, very difficult to kind of i mean, what what can they do? you know, these predictions. know, these are predictions. these guarantees . yeah. these are not guarantees. yeah. >> the end of the when >> but at the end of the when the when the chickens the chicken when the chickens all get get plucked , they're all get get plucked, they're spending almost 38% of gdp on taxes. yes. and that's very labour of them. and what is this world war ii? that's so much money is being spent on on taxes and i think what what they're doing is , is they're giving a doing is, is they're giving a little bit this is a typical thing. they're giving a little bit of it back . bit of it back. >> right. i think we still do have the highest tax burden since war so i think since world war ii. so i think so. i think you're right. by so. so i think you're right. by the way, accent, he said the way, louis accent, he said one smart thing before the way, louis accent, he said one he smart thing before the way, louis accent, he said one he saidart thing before the way, louis accent, he said one he said the hing before the way, louis accent, he said one he said the divisionore when he said the division between the pm and the chancellor going chancellor because i keep going on cummings on about this dominic cummings interview. but he did say something he something really interesting. he said in cummings said when he came in cummings into 10, there was no into the number 10, there was no communication on on economic forecasts and data between number 10 and number 11. and they that. and they had to install that. and the second that dominic cummings

left, it again. left, they got rid of it again. so they keep secrets from each other, which seem other, which does seem absolutely a bad idea, >> that is a bad idea, particularly they live >> that is a bad idea, parti doorly they live >> that is a bad idea, parti door to they live >> that is a bad idea, parti door to each they live >> that is a bad idea, parti door to each other. ve >> that is a bad idea, parti door to each other. yeah, next door to each other. yeah, maybe get on just before maybe should get on just before we finish on what we finish on this. what do you guys this guys think of this work experience placement that guys think of this work ex peoplee placement that guys think of this work ex people are acement that guys think of this work expeople are outnent that guys think of this work expeople are out ofnt that guys think of this work expeople are out of work that guys think of this work ex people are out of work for1at guys think of this work ex people are out of work for 18 if people are out of work for 18 months, have to then months, they have to then be placed in work experience? do you that's a fair kind of you think that's a fair kind of otherwise benefits? >> well, i don't know >> well, i think i don't know what's in place, but i know in every country, in system, every country, in every system, they don't let people take benefits sort of against welfare. >> aren't you as a kind of principle? >> i am, which is ironic considering i am one of the biggest. >> okay, well, let's move on to the front cover of the guardian. now, though, they do cover the budget , but now, though, they do cover the budget, but they also have another big story. louis, what's this? >> well, the big story is, is for a few minutes, we've forgotten about the big story is that israel, the israel hamas war world awaits start of a four day truce and hostage release. and what's happening is, is that the is that the israelis is to

get back 50 hostages. of the 250 about hostages , they're giving about hostages, they're giving up 150 prisoners. a palestinian prisoners. and they're going to have a four day truce, which is going to let let this is and this starts tomorrow morning right at 8 am, i believe it does. right at 8 am, i believe it does . but they say nobody's does. but they say nobody's there. no hostages are going to be released by friday, according to netanyahu. yahoo! >> it is quite astonishing, though, those figures. i mean, you're are you're saying there are releasing 150 palestinian prisoners for 50 hostages, innocent civilians. we should we should add there's not a sort of equivalence to the kind of people that are being released. but when you look at that, if you what was was you take what was it, it was about five years ago when one idf released for idf soldier was released for a thousand thousand palestinians. doesn't this show weakness when thousand thousand palestinians. d(comes his show weakness when thousand thousand palestinians. d(comes his hamas?3akness when it comes to hamas? >> here's my opinion. i am not those people. those are my people. am not those people. but i am not those people. but i am not those people. and they have been. and my personal feeling is there's an old joke. andrew come on. two jews facing the firing squad .

jews facing the firing squad. this old school joke. two jews facing a firing squad and they're about to be shot to death . and one says, wait death. and one says, wait a second. where's my last cigarette? where's our last cigarette? where's our last cigarette? we get a last cigarette? we get a last cigarette and the otherjew cigarette and the other jew elbows him and said, shh, don't make trouble . make trouble. >> it's one of those it's an old it's an old jewish joke. >> and that's kind of i've aiden been a take. yes. and no. old jews tell about them being and. and that's what this story is. on hand, you have the new on one hand, you have the new israel , on one hand, you have the new israel, which is saying, where's my last cigarette? and that's what this is all about. and the oh, really? >> it's about getting these innocent people back alive. >> mean, it isn't. >> i mean, it isn't. >> me ask you, nick, >> well, let me ask you, nick, though , regarding this. i mean, though, regarding this. i mean, you everyone you know, obviously everyone feels for those those people and we desperately to be we desperately want them to be released. some people are concerned with pause , concerned that with this pause, it hamas opportunity it gives hamas the opportunity to monitor the to regroup, to monitor the movement of the idf, where the idf are, where they're going to do next. in other words, the next stage of ground next stage of the ground offensive be much, offensive is going to be much, much as a result the much harder as a result of the

four which lead to four days, which could lead to further loss of life. it's almost one of those impossible choices make, it? choices to make, isn't it? >> hadn't even heard >> yeah, i hadn't even heard that. that is horrific. that. that is that is horrific. that's it that's very tricky. and also it seems it's going to be seems to be it's going to be even slower because for every ten additional hostages released, extra ten additional hostages relea pause extra ten additional hostages relea pause in extra ten additional hostages relea pause in the extra ten additional hostages relea pause in the fighting. ra days pause in the fighting. >> suggested, >> it's been suggested, suggested goes through. >> it's just it's just a horrible situation. >> no, do you know what? you're wrong? because while wrong? because at because while getting the hostages back are important and i think also they might think, well, we don't want this stuff to happen again. well, no, that's absolutely right. >> and in fact, one of the 1000 palestinians who were released before mentioned ended up before you mentioned ended up being of main being one of the main orchestrators jail orchestrators of he was in jail for attack. so you for october 7th attack. so you don't. exactly impossible don't. exactly it's impossible to . anyway, those are the to know. anyway, those are the front pages. come back in a moment for herd immunity. wael death and orkney migration centres. do you want to know more? i bet you do. see

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news radio. >> welcome back to headliners. your first look at thursday's newspapers. i'm andrew doyle. i'm joined by gigolo , louis i'm joined by gigolo, louis schaefer and unemployed gigolo nick dixon. let's begin with thursday's mirror. louis i want the general election. >> gigolos get paid. i'm the one who does the paying. >> we pay you handsome louis. >> we pay you handsome louis. >> i know, but i'm saying you pay- >> i know, but i'm saying you pay. oh, yeah? yeah is this complaining? >> get on with the story, jarrett. >> jeremy hunt dropped a sneaky hint in autumn statement, which is what we discussed in the first place. the budget first place. that's the budget thing. the next general thing. yes when the next general election be. election will be. >> his sneaky hint? >> what is his sneaky hint? what's suggesting? what's he suggesting? >> he's suggesting is either going it's going to be may going to be it's going to be may or november. >> okay. well. >> yeah, right. okay. well. well, speculation on well, that's speculation on other he didn't well, that's speculation on otheit he didn't well, that's speculation on otheit explicit. he didn't say it explicit. >> oh, i don't know with the cheeky >> oh, i don't know with the cheso' >> oh, i don't know with the cheso that's >> oh, i don't know with the che so that's what >> oh, i don't know with the cheso that's what they're sort >> so that's what they're sort of but but do of suggesting. but but what do you make this, nick? is this you make of this, nick? is this important moment? >> well, what's sneaky? >> well, what's sneaky? >> the general election is >> well, the general election is important, important important, but is it important that about that we're speculating about when it's the when it's going to it's the timing general election important? >> most

>> yeah, because most people are saying it's going to be a long one. it's going to autumn. one. it's going to be autumn. but possible because but now may is possible because he's thing. the he's introduced this thing. the changes in national insurance coming from january 6th, which mean benefits maybe that mean the benefits maybe that thing benefit thing about feeling the benefit like till like leaving your coat off till you where you say you you go outside where you say you won't feel the benefit. yes, he wants people the benefit wants people to feel the benefit by option by may to give them the option to . do you think going to go early. do you think going to go early. do you think going to trounced way if to get trounced either way if that's asking? that's what you're asking? >> think. but do >> that's what i think. but do you that's why this you think that's why this particular autumn statement contains details about contains so many details about targeting and those who contains so many details about targless] and those who contains so many details about targ less fortunate? those who contains so many details about targless fortunate? th> well, like you say, they're trounced. mean, ijust >> well, like you say, they're trounced. mean, i just don't trounced. i mean, ijust don't see look, i say i always predict these predicted see look, i say i always predict these wrong predicted see look, i say i always predict these wrong brexit, predicted see look, i say i always predict these wrong brexit, wrong.ted see look, i say i always predict these wrong brexit, wrong. i'm trump wrong brexit, wrong. i'm probably going to get this wrong, but i'm going to stick my neck out anyway and say that they've chance. they've got no chance. >> chance because. >> they have no chance because. because the big

because money isn't the big issue. it is a it is a big issue. it is a it is a big issue. inflation and issue. there's inflation and they already they know it's already been in their i think been their mind. i think it's been adjusted minds. adjusted for the people's minds. the is, is number one, the big issue is, is number one, there's been no apology for the covid mess. there's been no apology for mass migration . ian. apology for mass migration. ian. and the ships there's no apology erg for the lawlessness under the tory administration. >> people don't want an apology. they want it fixed. >> well, louis, you have to start with an apology. >> see, you're wrong and right. i immigration does poll i mean, immigration does poll number the list number three in the list of issues all the time. that's top three issues. but cost of living money does matter because cost three issues. but cost of living m

rights and gay rights. but i do think might actually think it might actually stimulate the tories because suddenly on the they're suddenly they're on the they're on the, the shadow cabinet, on the, in the shadow cabinet, they're on the back foot. they're have to up they're going to have to up their actually their game. they might actually start you start being conservative or you could , sorry, i was going to could say, sorry, i was going to say only argument for it. >> my starmer destroys the country for five years then country for five years and then farage only positive. >> people said that in 1933, in germany you know germany they said, you know what, give hitler little what, let's give hitler a little bit then realise is bit and then they'll realise is in a nazi apologist. in many ways a nazi apologist. >> a statement . thankfully, >> what a statement. thankfully, i know that nick is joking so i don't have to sue him. we're going to move on to the guardian now . nick, what's going to move on to the guardian now. nick, what's this one about? this is a herd immunity. >> a herd immunity was >> yeah, a herd immunity was never uk policy. chris whitty tells inquiry. it's tells covid inquiry. and it's the so—called covid inquiry whose seems to just to whose main job seems to just to be up the pro be repeatedly shore up the pro lockdown position . and this is lockdown position. and this is a sort another he's sort of another example. he's reassuring people, oh no, no, we were to do were never going to do herd immunity. saying herd immunity. he was saying herd immunity was more of a description of the natural description of how the natural course pandemic, may course of a pandemic, how it may go. i remember talking course of a pandemic, how it may go. i ritfember talking course of a pandemic, how it may go. i ritferthe' talking course of a pandemic, how it may go. i ritferthe time. talking course of a pandemic, how it may go. i ritferthe time. i talking course of a pandemic, how it may go. i ritferthe time. i mean,g course of a pandemic, how it may go. i ritferthe time. i mean, it about it at the time. i mean, it

wasn't policy, but they were saying things like, it will inevitably saying things like, it will ine'yeah,' here's point is >> yeah, but here's the point is they shouldn't been they shouldn't have been because mainly people who at best mainly it was people who at best half issues, half understood the issues, obviously meaning boris, but also meaning hancock because bofis also meaning hancock because boris said there boris came out and said there was maybe we could was this idea maybe we could take on the chin, all those take it on the chin, all those kind of things. people were coming the the coming out and the and the people in heads, people got it in their heads, and media maybe deliberately and the media maybe deliberately spun policy to spun this. the policy was to let it this herd it rip and have this herd immunity, but wasn't the immunity, but that wasn't the case. whitty saying was case. no whitty saying it was never policy. just some never a policy. it was just some people is how people thought this is how it may was trying to may go. and he was trying to text hancock saying, text boris and hancock saying, don't about this publicly. don't talk about this publicly. but the annoying it but the annoying thing about it is, it just it is, as i've said, it just all it does back this. we need does is go back to this. we need to just shores up the lockdown pro lockdown narrative again, which about which is what's annoying about it immunity also, it because herd immunity also, it because herd immunity also, it using herd immunity it because herd immunity also, it a using herd immunity it because herd immunity also, it a policy using herd immunity it because herd immunity also, it a policy usi|alsoerd immunity it because herd immunity also, it a policy usi|also predicated:y as a policy was also predicated on infection immunity being on post infection immunity being permanent, which don't really permanent, which i don't really agree with. i thought herd immunity, wrong. was immunity, maybe i'm wrong. was more to do when you get it. more to do with when you get it. the severity therefore the severity and therefore eventually the severity and therefore evwasn't.y the severity and therefore evwasn't based on an immunity it wasn't based on an immunity being permanent. >> no, i my understanding was that herd immunity is the way that herd immunity is the way

that pandemics of this kind that most pandemics of this kind go that's why they go anyway. and that's why they were about it the were talking about it at the time. yeah, the way everything goes. >> this guy , chris whitty, is >> this guy, chris whitty, is evil and his is i'm going to come back with some balance here. >> i think since you've invoked a theological term. lewis i don't am i not allowed political content? >> we don't think that really. >> we don't think that really. >> i know. mean, look, >> well, i know. i mean, look, you can make that you can you can make that judgement, i'm getting sued. >> i've heard can get sued. >> i've heard you can get sued. >> i've heard you can get sued. >> my argument would be, could i get calling the guy get sued by calling the guy evil? would no, you can't. >> could i? what could i get? >> could i? what could i get? >> lewis, can ask you, though, >> lewis, can i ask you, though, seriously? oh, good. you your tendency dismiss who seriously? oh, good. you your tencdisagreeiismiss who seriously? oh, good. you your tencdisagreeiismiss evil, who seriously? oh, good. you your tencdisagreeiismiss evil, why you disagree with as evil, why not probably a very not say he's probably a very good got it wrong? why good man who got it wrong? why not route? that i not go down that route? that i think is a more persuasive approach, because number one is the more persuasive i am, the more the society more a threat to the society that i will become the more that i will become and the more ofcom on my case. this ofcom will get on my case. this sounds speech a supervillain. >> can i just say lewis is a very good man who just got it wrong. yeah. not evil. wrong. yeah yeah. is not evil. >> actually is >> i think lewis actually is evil, is evil and slightly deranged. >> okay, i'll say. i'll say something else. the worst of the

worst things about this country is tendency to form is the tendency to form a committee, an inquiry. me. and giving it to one guy and let that one guy decide what information is going to come out. that's the worst of country that's given you everything. >> everything. this is this is we have invited you. this is your yes. we have welcomed your home. yes. we have welcomed your home. yes. we have welcomed you we've let you with open arms. we've let you with open arms. we've let you stand—up. you do your stand—up. >> realise what you >> we didn't realise what you were yeah. now you're here. >> and do know what i did? >> and do you know what i did? deport you. i think even. >> and do you know what i did? ddidn'tyou. i think even. >> and do you know what i did? ddidn't realise 1ink even. >> and do you know what i did? ddidn't realise what even. >> and do you know what i did? ddidn't realise what you even. >> and do you know what i did? ddidn't realise what you guys. i didn't realise what you guys were i didn't realise what you guys weryou actually came over and >> you actually came over and stole jobs and women. stole our jobs and women. >> that's you >> well, that's what you did. you could yankee you in. or you could yankee ways. could have stolen. ways. or she could have stolen. she stolen me. yeah, she could have stolen me. yeah, well, maybe this guy nick well, maybe that this guy nick nick whitty, if you look nick chris whitty, if you look at him, if look him, he's at him, if you look at him, he's at him, if you look at him, he's a bloated. no, is hominid. >> of course, he's pasty ad hominem >> of course, he's pasty ad horwhyn say that? but in >> why can't i say that? but in which case i can say he's a beautiful, a towering adonis of which case i can say he's a b> and do you know what? >> and do you know what? >> you win. >> you win. >> again , as always. >> i win again, as always. thursday's telegraph. now lewis, tell about the great green tell us about the great green war of 2023. speaking of chris

whitty, wales. >> wales is he's not welsh, is he? >> wales. >> wales. >> he's he's referring to the bloating, the bloating . bloating, the bloating. >> i know. i was trying to help him be very funny. >> very funny . him be very funny. >> very funny. i can't i can't handle the joke . handle the joke. >> come back. no, no. i'm too witty for you. >> you really and people >> you really are. and people don't like no, i don't don't like that? no, i don't like resent for like that. they resent me for it. know prefer someone it. i know they prefer someone who's scout. yeah go who's calendars scout. yeah go on, lewis . oh, i'm going on, lewis. oh, i'm going offshore. wind farms is dead whales. and the row that started a green on green civil war, basically, they're saying this is what they're saying. they're saying that wind farms are blamed for killing whales off cornwall. >> apparently there's been a lot of whales, even though there there wind farms there. there is no wind farms there. >> are dead wind farms and >> there are dead wind farms and it's a whole it's just bringing up a whole mess things of that, saying mess of things of that, saying that noise of the sea causes that the noise of the sea causes dead whales, that the drilling of the wind things causes dead whales. >> this was my understanding it wasn't just an aesthetic thing that the whales didn't appreciate the wind farms, the noise of the wind farm, because they mean, my knowledge of

they i mean, my knowledge of marine is very limited. marine life is very limited. but effectively understanding is effectively my understanding is that on sonar. they that they work on sonar. they work this there work on sound. this body there was a 50 foot whale on newquay beach recently that know dead whale. this is not the first time this has happened. and they're blaming it on these other measures. so other environmental measures. so what you do, nick? what do you do, nick? >> exactly . i mean, the >> well, exactly. i mean, the drilling damage they're hearing so avoid so they can't avoid ships anymore, so so they can't avoid ships anyall re, so so they can't avoid ships anyall re, whales so so they can't avoid ships anyall re, whales . so so they can't avoid ships anyall re, whales . i so so they can't avoid ships anyall re, whales . i have so so they can't avoid ships anyall re, whales . i have too we all like whales. i have to agree somewhat with andrew tate on i don't with on on this. i don't agree with on everything, did say has everything, but he did say has a whale ever your rent? which whale ever paid your rent? which is a great point. he says, have you spoken to whale? is a great point. he says, have you a spoken to whale? is a great point. he says, have you a whale1 to whale? is a great point. he says, have you a whale send whale? is a great point. he says, have you a whale send youale? is a great point. he says, have you a whale send you az? is a great point. he says, have you a whale send you a card if would a whale send you a card if you cancer? it good point. >> no, it wasn't a good point. it's an evil point. it shows what an evil man he is, because the fact is, need we need the fact is, we need we need whales. are beautiful. the fact is, we need we need whal> have several times. >> all about whales and how. and the whales. >> all about whales and how. and the was whales. >> all about whales and how. and the was that? s. >> all about whales and how. and the was that? that was 1980. >> when was that? that was 1980. >> when was that? that was 1980. >> i know, it's shatner and.

>> i know, but it's shatner and. >> i know, but it's shatner and. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> okay, we're going to move on >> yeah. >> (to |y, we're going to move on >> yeah. >> (to thise're going to move on >> yeah. >> (to this nextjoing to move on >> yeah. >> (to this next story. :o move on >> yeah. >> (to this next story. thisyve on >> yeah. >> (to this next story. this iss on now to this next story. this is a again. suddenly, a telegraph again. suddenly, rwanda bad. rwanda doesn't seem so bad. >> asylum to >> yeah, send asylum seekers to orkney says orkney islands, not rwanda, says lee anderson. and this was lee anderson news. now, anderson on gb news. now, i watched i still watched the clip, and i still don't was totally don't know if he was totally joking. i can't tell. >> no, mean, the idea isn't >> no, i mean, the idea isn't original him. mean, it was original to him. i mean, it was apparently at the time original to him. i mean, it was appawere' at the time original to him. i mean, it was appawere talking at the time original to him. i mean, it was appawere talking aboute time original to him. i mean, it was appawere talking about the ne they were talking about the rwanda talking rwanda deal. they were talking about, put about, well, why don't we put them extraneous islands them on the extraneous islands at the far reaches of the of the scotland ? scotland? >> there a story >> well, there was a story recently, there, that recently, wasn't there, that there's going to be two other countries rwanda that countries other than rwanda that weren't said weren't revealed. and i said scotland probably to scotland and wales probably to send lewis had send people. and lewis had already written it down. he had the joke. so now it's the same joke. so now it's reality. joke. he reality. it's not a joke. he said he suggested it to boris johnson a couple of years ago and he sort smiled at him and he sort of smiled at him even about falkland even talked about the falkland islands,then they rejected that >> but then they rejected that on that locals on the grounds that the locals wouldn't whereas wouldn't appreciate it. whereas of course, some of these islands up orkneys are pretty up in the orkneys are pretty much uninhabited. from what i understand it. >> understand it. perfect. >> there are people those >> there are people and those people norwegian ancestry. people are norwegian ancestry. they're there . and they're vikings up there. and you know, they're

you wouldn't you know, they're dangerous. one dangerous. i'm talking about one of where it's just of those islands where it's just like, you know, two, two of those islands where it's just like, yrightiow, two, two of those islands where it's just like, yright there. two, two goats right there. >> i feel for the goats. and >> and i feel for the goats. and the goats deserve their space. >> well, maybe. >> well, maybe. >> but, you know, we do have to solve issue. do. but it solve this issue. we do. but it feels bit extreme, doesn't it? feels a bit extreme, doesn't it? just on just putting people on an island. i mean, just i don't think it's don't like that. think it's i don't like that. >> i would um, what's >> i would say that, um, what's the in the sea the what's the one in the sea that connery, the rock that with sean connery, the rock alcatraz . alcatraz. >> alcatraz. >> alcatraz. >> that was an island. >> that was an island. >> that a prison, >> yeah, that was a prison, though. yeah. we don't though. oh, yeah. and we don't want to put these people in prison. know, like prison. you know, i feel like i'm much happier with, like, a premier i just bit premier inn. i just feel a bit like that's bit more humane. like that's a bit more humane. >> on one >> they could build one on one of islands. >> they could build one on one of they islands. >> they could build one on one of they could s. >> they could build one on one of they could build premier >> they could build a premier inn orkney island. we've inn on an orkney island. we've solved it. >> you know and we can >> you know what? and we can advertise it. >> course, the end it's >> of course, at the end it's not solving anything and we know it's anything. it's not solving anything. >> the only way people >> the only way to get people to not physically not come is to physically stop them to make life them from coming or to make life so unpleasant in country. so unpleasant in this country. >> we're doing our best on that. >> yeah. with me. with you, lewis. >> that's why you're here. okay well, we're nearing the halfway point now, up, we've point now, but coming up, we've got latest macy's

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sometimes earlier on gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to headliners, your first look at thursday's newspaper shows. let's go straight to the express and nick, does gary lineker know even less than louis? >> shocking . of course, i don't >> shocking. of course, i don't condone that comment. but yeah, the headline is furious. gary lineker doesn't know what he's talking over talking about. imagine that over israel. so our friend israel. comments so our friend gary had a retweeted a video from owen jones featuring a seagull who an israeli american historian . and he said it was historian. and he said it was worth 13 minutes of anyone's time . but it was it talked about time. but it was it talked about israel's military response to october 7th as textbook genocide . so and people like stephen pollard , editor of the jewish pollard, editor of the jewish editor at large of jewish chronicle, has accused lineker of universe bending ignorance, which . which i liked. >> lineker obviously it's not

originally lineker's tweet. it was owen's tweet . and was owen's tweet. and then lineker it, saying, lineker reposted it, saying, this is worth your time. so is that was he being delicate? there in terms not really there in terms of not really commenting, just saying, why don't you watch this? >> commenting. >> he is obviously commenting. isn't was very isn't he? and he was very quiet around 7th, everyone around october 7th, as everyone noticed. quiet noticed. but he's never quiet when braverman does when suella braverman does something he's something minor. i mean, he's taking and what's really taking a side and what's really interesting you've taking a side and what's really intetheing you've taking a side and what's really intethe bbc you've taking a side and what's really intethe bbc news you've taking a side and what's really intethe bbc news qualityl've taking a side and what's really intethe bbc news quality angle got the bbc news quality angle on more on all that. what's more interesting to me is woke people finally starting to get in a bit of we've seen of trouble. we've seen susan sarandon today her sort of sarandon today with her sort of outrageous comments getting dropped by her agent, gary lineker some flak for lineker is getting some flak for this can no longer this because they can no longer pretend they're just good and kind be on their side kind. you may be on their side about they about palestine, but they certainly clear certainly are taking a clear side. they're actually side. yeah. and they're actually getting into trouble. finally, it okay attack white it was to okay attack white people and women , but people and men and women, but now finally seems to be now the line finally seems to be jewish there jewish people. so i'm glad there is a line. >> mean, this whole >> but i mean, this whole question of genocide, i mean i mean, watched the and i mean, i watched the clip and i thought it was actually just ridiculous. the thing ridiculous. i mean, the thing is, hallmarks genocide is, the hallmarks of genocide are as who say are groups such as hamas who say we out the jews we want to wipe out the jews that statement. that is a genocidal statement. the going out of its way to

the idf going out of its way to avoid civilian casualties . i avoid civilian casualties. i mean, by all means you can criticise are criticise mistakes that are made, that made, but you can't say that this intent. what this is genocidal intent. what i did was the professor in did notice was the professor in that kept alluding to that clip kept alluding to quotations israeli quotations from leading israeli figures in the government who he says use dehumanising language about palestinians. when in most of those cases they're talking about hamas very specifically. and this was completely overlooked in this conversation. it didn't it was like they didn't want to admit was misleading. i think admit it was misleading. i think it was actually dishonest . so it was actually dishonest. so that's the that's the problem here. you have these kind here. when you have these kind of people expressing these views. louis yeah. >> problem , not the >> well, the problem, not the problem is that there's problem is that is that there's three problems. one is, is he's he works for the bbc and people don't works for the bbc. >> this is lineker , this is gary lineker. >> the second problem is, is he's doing the big switch. maybe that's gaslighting where he accuses the person genocide was used against the jews. and he's saying now the jews are using genocide against us. it's a flip. it'sjust makes genocide against us. it's a flip. it's just makes things. so it's trying to undercut the

authority of the of the jews and the final thing is which i forgot what it is that is that what the jews are trying to do in israel is punish the palestinian lions in gaza. >> you don't think they're trying to eliminate hamas? that's what i think they're trying to do. i think this is if they could go in there and kill every single hamas person, i think many hamas people. >> think what they're trying >> i think what they're trying to i support israel . so to do and i support israel. so don't that not don't don't say that i'm not supporting israel. i support israel. trying to send israel. they're trying to send a message for other people. i think they're protecting themselves. >> you know, unless unless hamas are eliminated , then this will are eliminated, then this will happen because has happen again, because hamas has said will this again and said they will do this again and again. it's self defence, again. it's a self defence, but they to. they don't have to. >> to. >> they don't have to. >> they don't have to. >> you know, that's not this story. that's. do you agree with me the lineker that me about the lineker part that him is a kind new him sharing it is a kind of new threshold that a rubicon that people him crossing on people like him are crossing on this where they're in really dangerous now. this where they're in really daryeah,s now. this where they're in really daryeah,s think now. do make >> yeah, i think no, you do make a good point i think. and a good point there, i think. and i seen some more outside i have seen some more outside spoken from spoken statements from celebrities of this kind when

they've effort really they've made no effort to really understand the conflict. >> woke finally be >> and will the woke finally be cancelled? what to cancelled? that's what i want to know . know. >> maybe 9-- w“ >> well, maybe in ten years time, things will time, maybe things will have flipped. the problem time, maybe things will have flippeyou the problem time, maybe things will have flippeyou set the problem time, maybe things will have flippeyou set that; problem time, maybe things will have flippeyou set that precedent of when you set that precedent of cancellation, eventually when you set that precedent of cancellat to i, eventually when you set that precedent of cancellatto you. eventually when you set that precedent of cansusan 0 you. eventually when you set that precedent of cansusan sarandon'entually when you set that precedent of cansusan sarandon losingly when you set that precedent of cansusan sarandon losing her >> susan sarandon losing her agent today over similar comment. >> but that's america. >> but that's an america. america is totally different america is a totally different view. i don't think america is as has undercurrent of as has an undercurrent of anti—semitic ism that this the next point is about cancer. >> i mean, the interesting thing is, you know, we had owen jones the other day talking about how he to reclaim the free he wanted to reclaim the free speech fight. all of a sudden, when who when you have these people who are for are being cancelled, for instance, professors are being cancelled, for instance pro—israel professors are being cancelled, for instance pro—israel ,)rofessors are being cancelled, for instance pro—israel , allassors are being cancelled, for instance pro—israel , all being who are pro—israel, all being being cancelled, or, you know, or whatever and or for whatever reason, and suddenly are coming out suddenly people are coming out of woodwork this is of the woodwork saying, this is terrible affects terrible because it affects their i think just their viewpoint. so i think just take on take a consistent view on cancellation, let everyone take a consistent view on can

free to express themselves. >> when they when they do, >> so when they when they do, it's either a shocking thing or it's either a shocking thing or it just releases a torrent of, yeah, absolutely. >> okay. well, we're moving on to now . what's this to the metro now. what's this one about? is elon musk. one about? this is elon musk. elon musk often in our headlines. what's he done this time? >> well, he's a great one. elon musk, he pledges x twitter profits to israel after paying pro—hitler holocaust denier money for being on the platform . money for being on the platform. and this is what elon musk is, is trying to make twitter successful by actually paying people to tweet. right. okay and so he was and so he was paying this . i forgot what the guy's this. i forgot what the guy's name is, but people this to do with the media matters thing. >> this is to do with musk suing media matters. >> he's suing because they made claims that he he says were not true. >> nick, you've got the more details about this. >> yeah. yeah i mean, this firstly, thing about paying firstly, this thing about paying pro—hitler holocaust guy pro—hitler holocaust and the guy who revenue, like

who was getting ad revenue, like anyone x musk wasn't anyone on x, musk wasn't approaching a brown approaching him with a brown envelope park at night. envelope in a car park at night. so that's ludicrous. but so that's ludicrous. but but yeah, kind misleading yeah, it's kind of misleading because original because i thought the original thing with the thing was to do with the response to the post, which was deemed anti—semitic , where musk deemed anti—semitic, where musk said, said the actual said, you've said the actual truth, musk meant the adl truth, where musk meant the adl and in the post used the and the guy in the post used the phrase and phrase jewish communities. and so boycotted . so all these people boycotted. >> the tweet he did. >> these did. >> but these people are saying that to do with this that that it's to do with this paying guy, that that it's to do with this paying guy, which is which paying this guy, which is which is why the backlash comes, which is why the backlash comes, which is the metro is misleading in the metro anyway. but yes, he's then sued media now he's also media matters, but now he's also pledged to hospitals in pledged profits to hospitals in israel. will israel. he's saying x corps will be all revenue from ads. >> but this is the point. people are accusing elon musk of anti—semitism as anti—semitism does strike me as ridiculous, of course, not least because the past few weeks, because for the past few weeks, he's been talking about things like the river to like phrases like the river to the he the sea are anti—semitic, and he won't the won't tolerate them on the platform. not what platform. now that is not what an does. it just an anti—semite does. it just seems ridiculous. i think it's perfectly do we perfectly willing. why do we have these ungenerous interpretations , oh, he interpretations saying, oh, he was meant this he was obviously meant this when he misinterpreted it? >> know, don't >> well, you know, why don't you? because he's establishment and woke corporations are totally against musk

ideologically. to ideologically. and trying to destroy of them, destroy him. and some of them, as nicholas pointed out as nicholas disanto pointed out brilliantly are brilliantly on this show, are also you know, also his competition. you know, there media attention for there is for media attention for eyeballs . eyeballs. >> well, let's move on anyway. more of go go more evidence of go woke, go work , go broke in this mail work, go broke in this mail story. nick, what's this? >> yeah, this is a conservative fury at macy's grows retailer accused sidelining white accused of sidelining white straight men employees in diy push which is you know it's macy's. the big equity shopping centre. >> yeah. yeah yeah. >> yeah. yeah yeah. >> what they've done is what so many people have done. they've said that they want in this case, more ethnic diversity said that they want in this case, with; ethnic diversity said that they want in this case, with aethnic diversity said that they want in this case, with a goal: diversity said that they want in this case, with a goal of versity said that they want in this case, with a goal of verswhich 2025 with a goal of 30, which means, of course, fewer white people . and is problem people. and this is a problem across the world, especially in the western world. got the the western world. we've got the here, the bbc and here, you know, the bbc and channel 4 can advertise jobs for sort bame people only, sort of bame people only, etcetera. police were etcetera. cheshire police were successfully sued for discriminating against a straight white people straight white man and people are getting of it. are finally getting sick of it. and the america first and this is the america first legal, an activist legal, which is an activist group miller, group run by stephen miller, former trump adviser. and they're saying basically had they're saying we basically had enough and it's barely enough of this and it's barely legal. legal, but not legal. it is legal, but it's not legal. it is legal, but it's not

legal. phrase. but legal. the wrong phrase. but it may legal. the wrong phrase. but it ma'it's not legal in america. >> it's not legal in america. i mean, the people are leading mean, the people who are leading the are saying that the case here are saying that this violates federal law. i don't you can discriminate don't think you can discriminate by when to by skin colour when it comes to employment it? employment in america. can it? can you? >> i don't think that's been tested corporations. tested in corporations. there was a test at the was a there was a test at the universities where they said universities couldn't have quotas . universities couldn't have quotas. right. so i don't universities couldn't have quotas . right. so i don't know quotas. right. so i don't know whether i think it needs to be tested . tested. >> i mean, isn't this an example of actual systemic racism when you have a built in to you have a system built in to say white people are not say that white people are not going going to be going to be are going to be disadvantaged think going to be are going to be di does. 1taged think it does. >> it's a very interesting point here. when i was growing up in new york, macy's the store new york, macy's was the store for the white for the for the white people, for the for the white people, for christians. was yes, for the christians. it was yes, it did. >> they just sell crucifixes? >> they just sell crucifixes? >> but in my family, the >> no, but but in my family, the jews , we would go to gimbels or jews, we would go to gimbels or bloomingdale's. we would not go to macy's . we wouldn't be caught to macy's. we wouldn't be caught dead macy's. right macy's to macy's. we wouldn't be caught deaditselfacy's. right macy's to macy's. we wouldn't be caught deaditself as's. right macy's to macy's. we wouldn't be caught deaditself as christmas. acy's sold itself as christmas. remember . sold itself as christmas. remember. the one the movie about macy's and macy's? there's lots of films, right? yeah, i

forget the name of malone. no, but it's. >> it's a festive. anyway, the point being. >> but the point is so. so when we were growing up, we wouldn't be in macy's. we be caught dead in macy's. we would go bloomingdale's would only go to bloomingdale's or but it found out or gimbels. but it found out later that macy's and gimbels and bloomingdale's were all owned by jews. >> okay , well, there we go. so >> okay, well, there we go. so you should have just gone to all of them. >> it's like i was we were, like punishing macy's. >> it's kind of funny. they run everything in that business. >> like, guys don't . >> like, guys don't. >> like, guys don't. >> nick call me old >> nick yeah, call me old fashion. why don't we just hire people on merit ignore skin fashion. why don't we just hire people thaterit ignore skin fashion. why don't we just hire people that ist ignore skin fashion. why don't we just hire people that is aboutignore skin fashion. why don't we just hire people that is about fashion.:in colour? that is about fashion. >> andrew but hopefully it's coming back with like coming back with things like this and the supreme court this and with the supreme court ruling that ruled ruling in june that ruled against race conscious against these race conscious admissions to university programs basically programs which were basically penalised ing asian people, bizarrely, i mean? bizarrely, you know what i mean? yeah. are seeing a return yeah. so we are seeing a return to people of this to this. people are sick of this anti—white stuff because they're sick all racism. even it's sick of all racism. even if it's woke even even white people woke and even even white people are now saying, we hate are now saying, okay, we hate white not give them white people, but not give them a break. know what i mean?

a break. you know what i mean? so to meritocracy. >> this woke also affects >> this woke stuff also affects asian you know asian pacific people. you know who , have higher who you know, have to get higher marks into ivy league marks to get into ivy league universities, penalising on universities, penalising them on personality because their grades are want so are so high and they want so many in. many to come in. >> they said, okay, you've many to come in. >> bad 1ey said, okay, you've many to come in. >> bad personalities., you've got bad personalities. >> well, look, got got bad personalities. >> more well, look, got got bad personalities. >> more section ok, got got bad personalities. >> more section to got got bad personalities. >> more section to go, got got bad personalities. >> more section to go, so got one more section to go, so please stick around. we're going to be talking to lewis. he's got a to his teeth a meat story to get his teeth into. know, he's going into. you know, he's going to love to be love that nick is going to be exploring and i'm

well, welcome back to headliners. your first look at thursday's newspapers and lewis, we've got a story in the guardian. now, this is about the possible consequences of the pushback against transgender ideology. or is it? what's going on here? >> well, this is this is transgender deaths in us on rise with increase in trans anti—trans laws report shows and this is the national centre for transgender equality . they're transgender equality. they're trying to show a linkage . this

trying to show a linkage. this is one of those carlson correlation . they're saying correlation. they're saying there are more anti—gay anti—trans laws and there are more deaths, but there's lots of other there's more other things. there's more increase in people eating spinach there's exactly this this >> and there's exactly this this report makes this fatal error of suggest of suggesting causality without proof. >> but it isn't it isn't a fatal error for them. it's the guardian who are pushing the scenario of all these suicides, which is why we have to do whatever the trans community wants. otherwise they're going to kill themselves. this is absolutely incredible because, you know, this week we had the trans of remembrance. trans day of remembrance. >> narrative that's being >> this narrative that's being pushed trans are pushed that trans people are uniquely just uniquely at risk is just factually true. not factually not true. it is not backed up any of stats. backed up by any of the stats. in fact, people the in fact, trans people are the safest demographic anyone in safest demographic of anyone in this more this country. they are far more less be murdered than less likely to be murdered than any people. is any other group of people. is that it's absolutely that right? it's absolutely true. they neglect true. and what they neglect to say article is, of say in this article is, of course, the majority people course, the majority of people who people who are who are trans people who are killed workers. right. who are trans people who are kilad workers. right. who are trans people who are kila substantial)rkers. right. who are trans people who are kila substantial proportionit. who are trans people who are kila substantial proportion of or a substantial proportion of them. a particularly them. and that is a particularly dangerous industry they're dangerous industry. but they're disproportionately dangerous industry. but they're disproporticindustry . so this within that industry. so this

kind pushing this victim kind of pushing this victim narrative erode narrative in order to erode women's rights and gay rights is a really, i think, dangerous approach to take. you know, what is it in the uk, roughly one one trans person murdered a year is the average, which is horrible. and i don't want anyone to be murdered. but that is not an epidemic these epidemic of murder against these people. and other demographics are more likely to be murdered. why can't we just acknowledge the here? why can't we just acknowledge the well, here? why can't we just acknowledge the well, it'sa? why can't we just acknowledge the well, it's fake news in it >> well, it's fake news in it from guardian. as you say, from the guardian. as you say, there's factors, there's lifestyle factors, meaning sex work. but but i mean, terrible mean, yeah, it'd be terrible if it obviously it was true, but it's obviously not. idea it's not. and this idea that it's they say here it's because of society sending a signal about whose are considered whose lives are considered important. it was that important. well, if it was that trans people be getting trans people would be getting resurrected like resurrected, there'd be like benjamin we're benjamin button, because we're constantly told, you know, trans awareness. think believe this awareness. i think believe this month actually trans month is actually another trans awareness so a awareness month. so it's a constant lie. >> what anti—trans legislation specifically they talking specifically are they talking about? think they're specifically are they talking about? about think they're specifically are they talking about? about wanting; they're specifically are they talking about? about wanting to |ey're specifically are they talking about? about wanting to protect talking about wanting to protect women's spaces and their women's own spaces and their role and their children and. exactly. so this is incredible. i would go so far as to say this is just a propaganda piece by

the guardian. >> yeah, just outright >> yeah, it's just outright lies. call it horrible lies. they call it a horrible storm trans phobia storm of trans phobia meeting, misogyny, mean misogyny, meeting racism. i mean , on. mean, look, part of , come on. i mean, look, part of it this 32.9% it is because there's this 32.9% jump it is because there's this 32.9% jump crimes jump in reported hate crimes based identity. well, based on gender identity. well, you anything you can report anything as a hate crime if you want to. hate crime now if you want to. >> and it's a perception of the person who reports that's person who reports it. that's what the stats very, what goes into the stats very, very okay. we're to very weak. okay. we're going to move on, this. what's move on, nick, to this. what's this one? is a mizzi, your this one? this is a mizzi, your mate. >> @ mizzi? because mate. >> follows mizzi? because mate. >> follows me iizzi? because mate. >> follows me on i? because mate. >> follows me on twitter. because mate. >> follows me on twitter. still,jse he follows me on twitter. still, i don't who's running his i don't know who's running his twitter tiktok twitter now, but tiktok prankster 18 weeks prankster mizzi given 18 weeks over . over social media posts. >> clarify the >> we should clarify he's the guy filming crimes guy who was filming crimes walking people's houses, walking into people's houses, intimidating on the intimidating people on the street clicks. basically street for clicks. basically >> was. and, you know, >> yeah, he was. and, you know, i'm hoping mizzi starts to put his energy and talent into something positive something a bit more positive because got because he's he's now got himself in trouble again. because he's he's now got himself in trouble again . there himself in trouble again. there was the court that was a claim in the court that these without these were posted without his consent who had his consent by a friend who had his login details. but the judge dismissed as inconceivable, dismissed that as inconceivable, partlysaying, this is going been saying, hey, this is going to be posted soon and sort of boasting it. and because boasting about it. and because he laws are weak on tv, he said uk laws are weak on tv, which hasn't helped him.

>> nick, thing him which hasn't helped him. >:you nick, thing him which hasn't helped him. >:you know, thing him which hasn't helped him. >:you know, he thing him which hasn't helped him. >:you know, he hasng him which hasn't helped him. >:you know, he has broken him which hasn't helped him. >:you know, he has broken them is you know, he has broken the law. grabbing schoolboy law. he is grabbing a schoolboy by uniform, picking by the uniform, picking up people's with people's dogs, running away with them , intimidating people on the them, intimidating people on the tube, saying, want to tube, saying, do you want to die? you want to die? i mean, die? do you want to die? i mean, just yeah, just horrible behaviour. yeah, criminal behaviour. and what a shame. sentenced shame. he's getting sentenced for crime. well frankly, my sympathy is limited. >> well, he's done some awful stuff. felt same stuff. mizzi and i felt the same as followed me on as you until he followed me on twitter. obviously that twitter. and then obviously that changed. doesn't it? >> if jack ripper followed >> if jack the ripper followed you, you'd make excuse. >> the young lad. he's got talent. i hope. just talent. i just hope. i just wonder, i haven't wonder, has he got. i haven't seen evidence him find seen any evidence on him to find a life. a different direction in life. yeah, but i'm a liberal. i'm a sort lefty. sort of a lefty. >> hasn't he been banned >> but hasn't he been banned from. from being social media? >> i think he was, but i think he's in that part of the reason why being sentenced now. why he's being sentenced now. >> should have >> yes. but he should not have been being social been banned for being on social media. a media. that's that's that's a free issue. media. that's that's that's a freehe issue. media. that's that's that's a freehe wasn't sue. media. that's that's that's a freehe wasn't allowed to share >> he wasn't allowed to share videos of people without consent. >> think i think law if >> no, i think i think a law if you've broken law and you you've broken the law and you filmed i think there's filmed it, i think there's perfectly good not perfectly good reasons not allowing social. allowing that to be on social. >> yes. shouldn't be on. >> yes. that shouldn't be on. but blanket. there's old but a blanket. there's an old saying bad actors make good

saying that bad actors make good law point law and i take nick's point about and the about redemption and i take the point very and point that he's very young and i think he he can improve and, you know, don't this is who know, i don't think this is who he be forever. no, this is he will be forever. no, this is not not the. i'm not that is not the. i'm interrupting you, andrew. the question is. the question is, can to can a judge say to any individual you have individual you cannot have a pubuc individual you cannot have a public voice for the next two years? >> no, i don't think they can, but if you're breaking but they can if you're breaking the and putting that online. the law and putting that online. >> they can say >> yes, they can. they can say you know, you this one video you you know, you this one video is against the law because it shows wrong. is against the law because it sh0\to wrong. is against the law because it sh0\to say wrong. is against the law because it sh0\to say you wrong. is against the law because it sh0\to say you can't wrong. is against the law because it sh0\to say you can't put wrong. but to say you can't put anything my anything up, even wishing my mother happy birthday, well, mother a happy birthday, well, i wish it to you, louis, wish they'd do it to you, louis, because your tweets are because some of your tweets are getting unhinged. getting quite unhinged. >> and i worry about you. >> yeah, and i worry about you. let's now this story. let's move on now to this story. this actually in the metro. this is actually in the metro. this is actually in the metro. this one for louis. this is one for you, louis. a beef story. >> it's a story. >> it's a beef story. >> it's a beef story. >> you beef, you? >> you like beef, don't you? >> you like beef, don't you? >> i love beef. i love beef eating staves cancer eating beef, staves off cancer scientists what scientists discover. and what they this is in the they found this is in the journal of nature which is which is most prestigious and most is the most prestigious and most popular science journal in the world. been world. so you've been vindicated? no, i'm not vindicated? no, i'm not vindicated at all, because there's a certain evilness in this. they're saying that

there's certain type of fatty there's a certain type of fatty acid called trans vaccenic acid. cva that complements clinical cancer treatments. yes so if you you know, it's like if you've got doing chemo, this could help the chemo be more effective . the chemo be more effective. >> so, okay, so you eat beef . >> so, okay, so you eat beef. it's going to help your chemotherapy treatment. but you, you, you're sceptical that's not where it's going. >> it's going where they're going to try to isolate this one little component. and sell this one component to vegans one little component to vegans because can't get it in because they can't get it in meat and with that and then it also says that that that also says that says that that that clinical cancer treatments actually work and from what i know they absolutely no they do not work. i've known people who have whose lives have been saved. you don't know maybe they would they would lived anyway. >> lewis this because >> lewis is against this because it could help vegans. >> well, think that's what it >> well, i think that's what it is. no, that's one let is. no, that's one reason. let me about this, this beef me ask you about this, this beef thing, you thing, because obviously, you know, eat know, i'm never going to eat beef. you beef. i'm a vegetarian, you know, also there's always know, and also there's always these articles come

these articles that come out every then saying, oh, every now and then saying, oh, this will kill you, will every now and then saying, oh, this you. kill you, will every now and then saying, oh, thisyou. this/ou, will every now and then saying, oh, this you. this will will every now and then saying, oh, this you. this will save nill every now and then saying, oh, this you. this will save you, kill you. this will save you, that you. just and that will save you. i just and it's always contradictory. so i don't to believe. don't know what to believe. >> will save you, andrew, >> beef will save you, andrew, is should eat as is that right? you should eat as much as possible. much steak as possible. obviously, for you. obviously, it's good for you. it's what? it's what we've always vegetables bad always eaten. vegetables are bad for poison, this for you. they're a poison, this kind lewis would say. kind of thing. lewis would say. but yeah, he's probably right. you not vegetarian. you should not be a vegetarian. but it but historically, doing it because big lefty. because you're a big lefty. >> nick, >> historically, though, nick, in of humanity, we in the history of humanity, we eat we ever eat much more meat than we ever did, ancestors ever did. >> no, that is not true. >> no, that is not true. >> and of course true. >> and of course it's true. people know that is completely you go back to elizabethan england, afford you go back to elizabethan eng|much afford you go back to elizabethan eng|much meat afford you go back to elizabethan eng|much meat was rd this much meat. meat was expensive were ill. >> health we're talking about they meat. they they were only eating meat. they were only eating meat. >> go back when we were >> when you go back when we were cave cave cave people, not even cave people tyrannosaurus is people to tyrannosaurus rex is over meat. people to tyrannosaurus rex is ovewe meat. people to tyrannosaurus rex is ovewe haven't meat. people to tyrannosaurus rex is ovewe haven't wezat. people to tyrannosaurus rex is ovewe haven't we haven't had >> we haven't we haven't had a grain diet. first the grain based diet. the first the first people to have a grain based diet with you. okay. well and heart. they had and they died of heart. they had tremendous and they died of heart. they had tremendo well, let's let's move >> okay. well, let's let's move on. don't much time. so on. we don't have much time. so let's a look at the super let's have a look at the super pig let's have a look at the super pig have you got pig story. nick, have you got this really?

this one? really? >> get to do the >> we don't get to do the toyota. all right, let find toyota. all right, let me find the pigs. it's like on the the super pigs. it's like on the worst right. worst ones. but all right. in mass breeding, super pigs set to cross a world's most cross into us, a world's most invasive just invasive animal. that's just a bit me. that's the super bit of me. that's not the super pig- bit of me. that's not the super pig. should stress. and one pig. i should stress. and no one was that. know, but was implying that. i know, but i was implying that. i know, but i was thinking the thing was going to just stayed on me. >> okay, so. so about immigration, let's see it immigration, let's see what it is. so these. feral pigs is. so these. these feral pigs in they're worried is. so these. these feral pigs in they're they're worried is. so these. these feral pigs in they're they'n storm ed is. so these. these feral pigs in they're they'n storm over that they're going to storm over the america. it's the border into america. it's not like this is ridiculous, isn't it? lewis it is one of those mean, don't those i mean, you don't understand what is like. understand what america is like. >> day >> it's got every single day it's story that about it's got a story like that about the people coming into the horrible people coming into the horrible people coming into the it's just preposterous. >> it's just preposterous. and since don't much time, since we don't have much time, we're move straight on we're going to move straight on to final story, which is to this final story, which is about stevie nick, about stevie wonder. nick, what's is what's this? yeah, this is stevie wonder. >> joy riding, it's >> took me joy riding, and it's the the eurhythmics, the guy from the eurhythmics, dave he's he dave stewart, and he's he went j'oy dave stewart, and he's he went joy with stevie wonder. dave stewart, and he's he went joy i with stevie wonder. dave stewart, and he's he went joy i wouldn't tevie wonder. dave stewart, and he's he went joy iwouldn'ttevjoylonder. dave stewart, and he's he went joy i wouldn't tevjoy riding now, i wouldn't go joy riding with stevie wonder. that's why i'm very superstitious . i'm like, very superstitious. that was joke. i told it to that was my joke. i told it to you which is why you guys earlier, which is why i couldn't it again. now but couldn't sell it again. now but in the break killed guys, in the break that killed guys, i just say i think it's

just want to say i think it's a very nick. very good joke, nick. >> thing is, basically >> but the thing is, basically he i didn't know he apparently i didn't know stevie wonder did harmonica stevie wonder did the harmonica solo be an solo from there must be an angel solo from there must be an angel, song. and angel, the eurhythmics song. and to celebrate, he did it in one take. and they went joy take. and after they went joy riding park, doing riding in a car park, doing doughnuts park. doughnuts in a car park. the man's blind. >> it's probably very this >> but it's probably a very this is it's probably a very is america. it's probably a very large car park. >> didn't matter it >> and it didn't matter that it was night because blind was at night because he's blind and telling him, go and they were telling him, go left, go left, go right. >> i still think it's absolutely terrifying. blind people don't drive. that's just my tip. anyway, is over. anyway, the show is nearly over. let's another look at let's take another look at thursday's the thursday's front pages. so the daily leading with let's daily mail is leading with let's hope start hope it's just the start that their on autumn their comment on the autumn statement telegraph statement the telegraph has biggest cut tax cuts since the 19805. biggest cut tax cuts since the 1980s. the sun, new year's where hey, the eye, the eye news same story. tax burden to hit record high. the guardian has hunter vowels 20 billion in tax cuts and the daily star is that stevie wonder story . that's all stevie wonder story. that's all we've got time for. thanks so much to guest, lewis schaffer much to my guest, lewis schaffer and dixon on. going to and nick dixon on. i'm going to be tomorrow at 11:00 with be back tomorrow at 11:00 with leo kearse and josh howie. but if you're if you're watching the

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