on gb news with mark newsroom on gb news with mark dolan this morning. and bev turner. >> that's right. great to have your company and look. massive, massive developments. we've got the net migration stats. the legal net migration stats. they are on the way. we're expecting them any minute now . expecting them any minute now. they could be in excess of 700,000 in a year. we'll discuss the political, economic and humanitarian implications . humanitarian implications. >> that's right. and a sad story overnight. two migrants attempting to make that perilous journey lost their life. ray addison has the latest . addison has the latest. >> rishi sunak has promised to stop the boats, however , the stop the boats, however, the attempts keep being made with two fatalities last night. i'll have all the details live from dover plus new year bells. >> the energy price cap will increase in january. more strain on all of us trying to pay our bills after christmas. gb news political correspondent olivia utley has the latest .

utley has the latest. >> just when taxes start to go down, energy prices start to go up. it looks like the cost of living crisis isn't going to end any time soon. >> and a rumble in the jungle nigel farage and tiktok influencer nyla rose clashed last night on i'm a celeb. have a listen. >> and why don't black people like you.7 >> like you? >> you'd be amazed. they do. you'd be amazed if you came with me . if you came with me. if you. me. if you came with me. if you. if you came with me through south london, you'd be astonished. >> wow. what were you doing in south london, nigel? well, i'm there every day. you're in south dumas. wait. sorry. i'm so sorry to shot. what are you doing? to be shot. what are you doing? sorry. he's south london. sorry. he's from south london. >> through south london. >> so? so everyone hates you for no reason . ho reason. >> no reason. >> what are we doing in south london, nigel? if that's not discriminatory, i don't know what is. >> yeah, he's not allowed in

south london. no go zone for poor old nigel farage. >> anyway, we don't mind having these difficult conversations. as waiting as we said, we've been waiting for figures for the migration figures this morning. dropping morning. they should be dropping any legal migration any minute now. legal migration into this country. how many people do you think should be coming here? should they have specific jobs that you would like see filled people like to see filled by people from maybe no from overseas? maybe we have no choice. vaiews@gbnews.com is the address. that and the email address. that and a lot, more this morning. but lot, lot more this morning. but first of all, here's very first of all, here's your very latest news with . tamsin latest news with. tamsin >> beth, thanks very much and good morning from the gb newsroom. it's 932. the timing of the next general election had no impact on the decision to cut taxes. according to the chancellor jeremy taxes. according to the chancellorjeremy hunt used the chancellor jeremy hunt used the autumn statement yesterday to announce cuts to national insurance worth £10 billion. >> he said the economy has defied >> he said the economy has defied the odds and that a recession had been avoided . recession had been avoided. >> but the measures that i've taken today are what, more than

200 businesses wrote to me to ask for the big business organisations like the cbi said it was the single most transformative thing that i could do. they're not particularly proud pleasers. they're not the tax cuts that are on the tip of everyone's tongues like an income tax cut or inheritance tax. but they are the things that will make the biggest difference to our . long biggest difference to our. long term competitiveness . term competitiveness. >> well, despite those tax cuts, energy bills are expected to rise after the energy regulator announced a 5% increase to the price cap from january. the average household will pay around £94 more over the course of a year. foreign secretary lord cameron is visiting israel amid uncertainty about when a truce in the war with hamas will begin. a senior israeli official said. a four day pause in fighting won't take effect before friday, a day later than originally expected . a little

originally expected. a little bit of breaking for news you now . estimated net migration to the uk stood at just over 607,000in the year to june 2023, up from 607,000 in the previous 12 months. but below a revised record. that's according to the office for national statistics . office for national statistics. and of course, we'll have more analysis on that with beth and mark in just a moment. and that's all from me for now. those are the headlines. of course, you can get more on all of those stories. just visit our website, gbnews.com. back now to beth and . mark beth and. mark >> very good morning. it is 934. this is britain's newsroom this morning with me bev turner and mark dolan. we're going to be deconstructing those immigration figures which have just landed, 670,000 in a year. but first of

all, before that, a sad story. overnight, two migrants have died attempting to cross the channelin died attempting to cross the channel in a small boat. yesterday while 60 asylum seekers were crammed onto this boat. >> 57 others were rescued by boat and taken back to france. and another was airlifted to safety. let's go now to ray addison, who is in dover. >> ray , what more details do we >> ray, what more details do we know and what's the very latest down there ? down there? >> yeah, good morning to you both . well, the latest is that both. well, the latest is that we know that a new attempt is currently being made. there's one small boat around about one kilometre from the french coast in the water, and that looks like it's struggling with the choppy conditions and is actually looks like it's going to be heading back to the french coastline . on what we understand coastline. on what we understand about this fatality incident. yes today is that around about midday yesterday, several small boats attempted to make their way from the french coastline to the uk across the channel. however, the majority were stopped by french border patrol

officers. one, however , did officers. one, however, did manage to make it into the water. a number of sightings were shortly after made and reported to french authorities of people being in the water from that vessel and struggling. it's understood there was around 60 people crammed into one small boat. 60 people crammed into one small boat . french authorities boat. french authorities obviously responded very quickly. i believe they were assisted as well by uk maritime services to, however , there were services to, however, there were two fatalities. a man and a woman who were both in their 30s. another person was taken to hospital. it's not yet understood what condition they might be in. now, of course, thatis might be in. now, of course, that is just the latest series of fatalities that we've seen in this very, very dangerous crossing where there's been very dangerous conditions over the last week . the last large number last week. the last large number of crossings was made on the 16th of november when we had about 350 people come across. there was more attempts, though,

yesterday when we saw the rnli bnngin yesterday when we saw the rnli bring in a number of migrants to dungeness port as well, and several people had to be one person had to be stretchered off and ambulances responded as well, with several people suffering from effects of suffering from the effects of being in the water. in that situation as well. now, of course , we know that these course, we know that these statistics are coming out today. they were released at 9.30 this morning . and what they're morning. and what they're telling us is that in the year ending september of 2023, there were just over 45,000 detected irregular arrivals to the united kingdom. now that not all of those are small boats. small small boat arrivals. however, 83% were, although we're being told as well that between july and september of 2023 detected irregular arrivals were 33% down on than in the same period the year before. however, this this of course, comes will be no

comfort . comfort. >> okay. thank you , ray. ray >> okay. thank you, ray. ray addison. there now, if you're just tuning in, we've got the latest net migration figures . latest net migration figures. they are 672,000 in the year to june 2023, up from 607,000in the previous 12 months. but below a revised record figure of 745,000in the year to december 2022. this is according to the office of national statistics. >> just let that figure sink in. 670,000 people in a year. that is a british city in 12 months. so it always gets us thinking what would the ideal number be for net migration? what do you think? i think it's really difficult to put a specific number on it, but i wouldn't want it to be much more than about 100,000. >> i think net migration. i don't know why that just feels instinctively right. but when do we we it when we go we see it? we see it when we go to the gp. we see it when we take a kid to a&e and the queue

is out of the door. that's that's when i always i'm struck by have traffic on the roads, by we have traffic on the roads, awful traffic on the it awful traffic on the roads. it feels there so many feels like there are so many people can't get enough rooms people we can't get enough rooms to rent, particularly in london. there that there are so many people that it means the rooms means the prices of the rooms and has gone up and renting has gone up enormously, it? enormously, hasn't it? >> most definitely. there's also an assumption that all the people coming surgeons people coming are brain surgeons and scientists and nurses and rocket scientists that not the case. these that that's not the case. these numbers impact welfare numbers will impact the welfare bill for this country as well. now, a certain level of legal net migration is probably beneficial for the economy. i mean, a direct link mean, there's a direct link between economic growth and levels migration. i think levels of migration. but i think that both labour the tories that both labour and the tories over several decades now have rather sort of manipulated those figures in order to boost growth . but it's a short term gain because in the end our infrastructure is creaking and as we saw in yesterday's state autumn statement, the country is broke. we live beyond our means. how adding 700,000 people in a year or just under is going to help the economy is anyone's guess. >> i don't know, mark. and i

think you know what i'm saying. i'm having some building work on my house at the moment and it's very, very conservatory. very, very, very conservatory. no very, it's not been no it's very, very it's not been done since i divorced. it done since i got divorced. it needed doing. very , very needed doing. it's very, very difficult labourers or difficult to get labourers or builders, brickies, decking , builders, brickies, decking, waiters. now, you might say , waiters. now, you might say, well, that's a bad thing, but what is the implications have beenisif what is the implications have been is if you want your house doing the implications is actually the, the wages for those people have gone up, which was one of the motivations runs behind brexit that we behind brexit so that we wouldn't lots of cheap wouldn't have lots of cheap labour undercutting british labour here undercutting british born plumbers, builders, carpenters or whatever. he wants to do the work. yeah but it feels now when looking at these numbers. well who are these people who are the 700,000? are they fulfilling the right skills that we need for people in this country ? country? >> well, even if they are skilled in plenty, will be. the issue is, can the country cope? our infrastructure, as i say, is absolutely creaking. the other issue got is over issue you've got is over 5 million people in this country of working age who are not

active in the economy . a million active in the economy. a million job vacancies out there. they should be filled by the brits that we already have here. and we've a culture of importing we've got a culture of importing people do the work that our people to do the work that our own jeremy own citizens won't do. jeremy hunt talked yesterday about how it's to work well in it's got to pay to work well in this country. still pays not this country. it still pays not to work. >> it does. we're going to be digging into these numbers. as you hot off the you say, this is hot off the press. these figures broke about ten ago. of this ten minutes ago. now of this number. interesting number. it's always interesting to a day like this how to see on a day like this how the government will spin these figures. what will the detail be that something that they can make something of to sort of political to make some sort of political capital and we've spoken a lot about economy, but what about the economy, but what about the economy, but what about our culture? about the economy, but what abo the our culture? about the economy, but what abothe principle our culture? about the economy, but what abothe principle oqur culture? about the economy, but what abothe principle of thatjlture? about the economy, but what abothe principle of that many >> the principle of that many people coming in a year bound people coming in a year is bound to be unbalancing bound to be disruptive for the equilibrium of our communities. that makes sense . of course does. and sense. of course it does. and why it make you bad why does it make you a bad person to that? i mean, person to debate that? i mean, do know, i we need i do you know, i think we need i think we need a referendum. i know we've got a bit of a sort of with of bumpy history with referendums, think we need of bumpy history with re referendum think we need of bumpy history with rereferendum on think we need of bumpy history with rereferendum on levels< we need of bumpy history with rereferendum on levels of'e need

of bumpy history with rereferendum on levels of legald a referendum on levels of legal net migration. >> i just can't imagine they would engage in such would ever engage in such a democratic process at the moment. mark weiss is here. luckily, mark, good to see you. now, you've had these figures as well for about 9.5 minutes. i think they're thereabouts . what think they're thereabouts. what do we know about the detail right , do we know about the detail right, right. >> net migration, obviously >> so net migration, obviously is the figure that everybody has been waiting for. we know that 672,000 up from 606,000 in the last comparable figures, less less than what the ons was estimating it would be. but still , it's a record figure still, it's a record figure boiling that down. it means 1.2 million people came into the uk, 508,000 left. now when we look at the figures for who is coming in and what they might be doing on work visas, 322,000 work visas were issued. but these also include depending it's we need to just boil it down a bit more to find out how many depend

since we've not found out yet. but i can tell you with student visas, there are 378,000 student visas. now that's up from 320,000 student visas in the last set of figures . and there last set of figures. and there we do have the number for dependents. so of those 378,000, there were . 96,000 dependents. there were. 96,000 dependents. so a very significant chunk of people just attached to those students that have come for in 58,000 was the previous figure . 58,000 was the previous figure. so that's gone up to 96,000. and the government is trying to ensure that that particular loophole is tightened up and that there is a set limit on the number of dependents that students can bring with them. humanitarian routes will remember we the last time we spoke an awful lot about what was happening with those coming across from ukraine and hong kong and afghan khan will that

this time has gone down. it was 150 . 157,000 the last set of 150. 157,000 the last set of figures. it's now gone down to 83,000, still quite a number, many of them coming from the likes of ukraine. >> and probably that's the least contentious stat , >> and probably that's the least contentious stat, wouldn't you say? sarah vine 83,000 people genuinely fleeing war, fleeing for their lives. that's the point about our country. for their lives. that's the point about our country . we're point about our country. we're very tolerant and welcoming to people who may face possible death or bad treatment. but what about those other figures, you know, skilled workers and students make up the bulk of it. do we need those people? >> well, i mean, the thing is, i don't think anyone objects to people coming from places like ukraine genuinely our ukraine and genuinely need our help. completely help. that's completely fine. most are okay that. most people are okay with that. i the sort of the figures i don't the sort of the figures on student dependents is on the student dependents is quite visa quite the student visa dependence interesting dependence is quite interesting because , know , why do they because, you know, why do they need those? why do they need to bnng need those? why do they need to bring their dependents? it's not i mean, my son's at university.

i mean, my son's at university. i don't go and live with him in cardiff, although i'm sure he'd love it. i mean, he would love it because get his washing done. >> that's it. and you can keep an eye on it, but it's not necessarily a sort of i mean, i think the thing that most people will is that most people will think is that most people don't migration. don't mind migration. >> just if actually >> it's just if they actually contribute bakhmut and if they're taxes if they're paying taxes and if they're paying taxes and if they're the they're contributing to the economy. of course, the economy. but of course, the problem of these problem is, is a lot of these people are not they're going to be actually placing burden on be actually placing a burden on us. mean, it's to so many us. i mean, it's nice to so many people to come uk. people want to come to the uk. it's a good sign for us. i mean, it means that we are still, you know, very much destination know, very much a destination country for a lot people. country for a lot of people. i think the visa think maybe the student visa thing something to do with thing has something to do with the that universities are the fact that universities are touting their so so touting their courses. so so enthusiastically foreign enthusiastically with foreign students so students because they get so much students because they get so mu so that could be a mature >> so that could be a mature student coming over here and therefore bringing their wife and which makes you and children, which makes you wonder whether they're genuinely here because they want to study or because it's an excuse to phds or whatever. >> but fine. if and >> but that's fine. and if and if do , if they are doing

if they do, if they are doing phds, they're probably going to be useful people to have be quite useful people to have around . the issue is around. but the other issue is why we got all these, you why have we got all these, you know, around at know, brits sitting around at home nothing and why are home doing nothing and why are we importing people to the we importing people to do the work that they should be doing? that's the that's the issue, that's the that's the big issue, i think. that's the that's the big issue, i thwhat else do we what else do >> what else do we what else do we mark? we know, mark? >> it's a worry. >> yeah. so we talk about asylum. >> now, these are slightly different the breakdown that different to the breakdown that we'll home office. we'll get from the home office. just complicate it, if the just to complicate it, as if the office for national stats tactics is impenetrable tactics is not impenetrable enough , we also figures enough, we also get figures coming out from the home office that give a breakdown on the asylum system . asylum system. >> did the home office and the ons release these statistics on the day ? the same day? >> yes. >> they do, yes. >> they do, yes. >> and they are complementary. but can be contradictory . but can be contradictory. >> you put it very well. yeah they are very confusing when you are initially just trying to inwardly digest them. but in terms of asylum , 90,000 terms of asylum, 90,000 according to the ons , came into

according to the ons, came into the country on asylum visas. so came in as part of an asylum claim . claim. >> remind me what period of time we're talking about again, mark, we're talking about again, mark, we're talking about again, mark, we're talking the year to june in this year, right? >> june , june 23rd. now now that >> june, june 23rd. now now that compares to 75,000 previously. so that's gone up as well. now what we'll get from the home office in terms of their figures is always quite interesting as well. we know in terms of those coming across illegally in small boats, for instance , that it's boats, for instance, that it's pushing 28,000. now, what we don't know and what we will or we should get an idea of is kind of breakdown of what countries are representative in those small boats. so, for instance, albania was down in the last set of figures about 90. and the government says that is due in no small part to the agreement that they've got with albania to quickly return people to that country. but we'll see. i've

been told actually from some sources on the other side of the channel that all that's happening with the albanians is they're not coming on to small boats anymore. they're coming. they're being smuggled in lorries poland and the like. >> so albania is not a war zone, though. >> it's not a war zone. no, no. and lots of people go there on houday and lots of people go there on holiday and have a lovely time. yeah, exactly. >> sarah, your experience of being for being close to government for many years, do you feel that there is a will or is it just that it doesn't go down very well with dinner party set? well with the dinner party set? >> of does it? >> this kind of chat does it? >> this kind of chat does it? >> a very difficult thing >> it's a very difficult thing to frame well, for governments because tony blair had a because we know tony blair had a sort of open door policy largely because he thought if he let lots of people in, they'd they'd all labour then that all vote labour and then that would mean that he'd never get voted i mean, voted out of power. i mean, being honest, voted out of power. i mean, being honest , that's that's that being honest, that's that's that was that basically was what that policy basically was. subsequently, anyone was. and so subsequently, anyone who tries to sort of talk about migration, people like nigel farage, who, you know, you were saying earlier on, is on on i'm a celebrity and has been shouted

at for trying to have a conversation about migration . it conversation about migration. it just gets framed as, oh, you're just gets framed as, oh, you're just a racist. you're just not a very nice person. you hate foreigners. and that's not true. the thing is, is that and you know, a lot of people voted for brexit because they wanted to be able levels of able to control levels of migration . and it's not as migration. and it's not as though it's not we're not saying, can't come saying, no, you can't all come here. just we have to have a quota and that quota has to be respected because otherwise the infrastructure of the country cannot cope. i think cannot really cope. and i think we that every day our in we see that every day in our in our in our public services and labour will say, oh, well, you know, the problem is, is that the tories haven't invested enoughin the tories haven't invested enough in the and stuff. enough in the nhs and stuff. they have, they've, they've thrown billions at it. it's just that, it's that the client that, it's just that the client base, for want of better word, base, for want of a better word, of so huge now of the nhs, is so huge now because there many because there are so many people. it's, know, if people. it's, you know, if you're trying to deliver a service at of service that's free at point of delivery and got so many delivery and you've got so many people it, this idea that people using it, this idea that it's so interesting, i it it's so interesting, i find it so politicians so interesting that politicians can't in favour of can't say they are in favour of a migration, even though

a low migration, even though they know it would be a vote to win it. >> it regularly comes out the top three that british top three things that british people most important, most people feel most important, most strongly to some strongly about brexit, to some extent the closest we will extent was the closest we will get referendum on the get to a referendum on the number we want be number of people we want to be able to freely come and live here. british public here. and the british public voted like less voted that we would like less migration still not quite migration so i'm still not quite sure about why it's politically different to manage that, because just not very pc. because it's just not very pc. >> it's, you know, we're supposed you know, you're supposed to you know, you're supposed to you know, you're supposed everybody supposed to say that everybody should come here should be able to come here because, what because, you know, that's what we are. and i mean, the other problem and i think this is problem is and i think this is this is a really interesting argument that it's argument is that is that it's very difficult when people say, why are people so many so many people coming to the country? well, a lot of brits don't want to do the jobs those people to do the jobs that those people are be honest about are doing. let's be honest about that. they're coming here because do because they're prepared to do the people the things that british people don't want to do because they'd rather home take rather stay at home and take their benefits. so i think, you know, duncan smith very know, iain duncan smith is very interesting this because he's interesting on this because he's been years been arguing for years and years and we need really

and years that we need really proper, serious welfare reform because problem britain because the problem with britain is is even that is that it is even now that we're of eu , so we we're outside of the eu, so we don't have to offer people the same benefits the rest of same benefits as the rest of the eu, which is what we had to do when we were the eu. even now when we were in the eu. even now that we are still an absolute peach a country to come to peach of a country to come to because get looked because you will get looked after, you won't, you know, you will will get will get benefits, you will get money given to you and thrown andifs money given to you and thrown and it's just way it is. and it's just the way it is. yes. we're a very tolerant, yes. and we're a very tolerant, welcoming well. welcoming nation as well. >> an attractive place >> so it's an attractive place to somewhere like i to come, go somewhere like i mean, up in italy and mean, i grew up in italy and france spain you know, france and spain and, you know, people say, oh, britain is a racist country . racist country. >> trust me. try going somewhere like italy. you know, people are horrid, awful to foreigners. >> eastern european countries as well very unwelcoming, very well are very unwelcoming, very generally speaking, compared to the rest of europe. >> actually very, very not >> we're actually very, very not racist , very welcoming. >> we're actually very, very not racist, very welcoming. but >> we're actually very, very not racist , very welcoming. but the racist, very welcoming. but the thing is, that there's thing is, is that there's a limit everybody has limit because everybody has their and you can't you their limit. and you can't you know, you can't completely exceed that all the time exceed that all of the time without people. >> i just i just wonder, sarah

and mark, whether rishi sunak and mark, whether rishi sunak and government are hiding and mark, whether rishi sunak and the vernment are hiding and mark, whether rishi sunak and the smallznt are hiding and mark, whether rishi sunak and the small boats hiding and mark, whether rishi sunak and the small boats crisis,] behind the small boats crisis, which my view is which in my view is a humanitarian, economic and national disaster. but national security disaster. but you know, the numbers drop in the ocean compared to these figures. and i just wonder whether that the elephant in whether that is the elephant in the the societal the room and also the societal impact. okay. so britain is a great pot. it's great melting pot. it's a diverse society. i think the most integrated society in the world. you ask if you ask me. world. if you ask if you ask me. but but it's not healthy, is it for a country and a culture to have that level net migration have that level of net migration and. it depends if the and. well, it depends if the people coming want live in people coming want to live in britain they come here britain and they come here because our country because they like our country and our liberal and they like our liberal democracy want to be democracy and they want to be part fantastic. part of it, fantastic. >> if you're coming here >> but if you're coming here because want try because you somehow want to try and that country and undermine that country and those then no . so again, those values, then no. so again, there to be you know, there there has to be you know, there has to be a there has to be line. >> and that's where it becomes a political hot potato, which is what kind of impositions do you make? >> you're right about the small boats. it's a it's a it's a dog whistle issue. if people it's very visceral. people see these

awful tragedies happening and but but know but it's not the small but know in terms of net migration in terms of figures the small boats as aren't really the as you say, aren't really the big we might expect big problem. we might we expect mark a statement from mark to have a statement from the government maybe this. the government maybe about this. >> sure there >> oh, any time. i'm sure there will be a statement. i think just to go back to your your point on the small boats, the difficulty about the small boats is it is a very highly visible manifestation of the government's failure to get a control on its borders . but control on its borders. but you're right, in terms of the actual migration figures, those coming legally into the country, you know, they dwarf those as those figures on on the small boats. so you'd say we're told as well from the home office that 75,000 asylum applications are that differs from the ons figures of those who came here having achieved asylum that came and migrated to this country. 75,000, which is 10% lower than

the previous year. they claim in the previous year. they claim in the year ending september. those are a bit more figure that were 5500 and force returns , which 5500 and force returns, which was an increase of 54. but only 5500 returns. when you were talking about tens of thousands of people coming illegally each year into the country. >> super, right. thank you, mark. thank you, sarah. >> okay. still to come , true >> okay. still to come, true financial ease or a tax cut? t's gb news's economics editor liam halligan will be with us to break down how impactful the autumn statement really was. >> that's right. this is britain's newsroom on gb news, the people's channel. >> good morning. i'm alex deakin . this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. bit of rain around across the north today. it's also pretty blustery. most places south, but places dry further south, but we're all going to be turning colder by tomorrow. here's the area of rain i was talking about. it's been quite a wet night over the highlands. that rain now spreading south through

the into the central belt and into southern scotland. northern southern scotland. then northern ireland, of ireland, the far north of england, of england and england, most of england and wales, be some wales, though, will be dry. some rain drizzle over the hills rain and drizzle over the hills perhaps, across much of perhaps, and across much of central scotland central and northern scotland will of sunny will be a mixture of sunny spells, plenty of blustery spells, but plenty of blustery showers. things colder showers. things turning colder here, digits , but with here, single digits, but with some brightness further south. we could the teens once we could get into the teens once more , but we won't be seeing the more, but we won't be seeing the teens during tomorrow because as this rain sinks south this band of rain sinks south through this evening, bringing some light rain for time over some light rain for a time over the midlands it will the midlands and wales, it will be colder air be introducing that colder air from the north. there'll be plenty more showers coming in across northeast scotland. very windy here to through windy conditions here to through today tonight and some of today and tonight and some of the showers coming in could be wintry even to lower levels potentially turning things quite icy spots. so a colder icy in some spots. so a colder day on friday, but for many, it will be a dry and a bright day with some sunshine. the wintry showers the showers keep going in the north—east. as i said, even some sleet and snow to levels, sleet and snow to low levels, but certainly over the but certainly some over the hills elsewhere, a few rain showers wales, perhaps showers for wales, perhaps

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gb news, britain's news channel . gb news, britain's news channel. >> it is 10 am. it's thursday, the 23rd of november. this is britain's newsroom with me, mark dolan in for andrew pierce with bev turner. good morning. >> thank you forjoining us. so net migration in the uk stood at £672,000 in the £70. 0h, is net migration in the uk stood at £672,000 in the £70. oh, is that your salary , bev? it's out the your salary, bev? it's out the bag. we were talking. >> drinks are on you. we were talking about finance so much yesterday with the autumn obsessed with money. this woman in the year 2023, up in the year to june 2023, up from 607,000in the previous 12 months. >> we'll have the latest. >> we'll have the latest. >> meanwhile , a vote winning >> meanwhile, a vote winning statement. jeremy hunt, the chancellor announced the biggest tax cut since the 80s are the tories setting out their stall for a general election . the for a general election. the chancellor spoke to eamonn and isabel on breakfast today. >> no idea when the next election will be, but when it

comes to elections, people do vote conservative because they think that we are going to take the right decisions for the long term of the economy. they fundamentally trust us on the economy and new year bills . economy and new year bills. >> see, it's all about money. it's been announced this morning that the energy price cap will increase in january. more strain on all of us trying to pay our bills . bills. >> absolutely. just what we need after christmas. meanwhile all nigel farage and tiktok influencer nella rose clashed on i'm a celebrity last night. take a listen. >> then why don't black people like you? >> you'd be amazed. they do . >> you'd be amazed. they do. you'd be amazed if you came with me. if you came with me. if you came. you came with me through south london. you'd be astonished. oh, wow. >> what were you doing in south london, nigel? >> i'm there every day. >> well, i'm there every day. >> well, i'm there every day. >> you're south dumas. wait >> you're in south dumas. wait sorry. sorry shot. sorry. i'm so sorry to be shot. what are you doing? sorry. >> from south london. >> he's from south london. i travel through south london. >> so everyone hates you for >> so? so everyone hates you for

no . ho reason. >> no reason. >> blimey. nigel's earning his corn there, isn't he? >> yeah, he is. he's having a he's having an interesting time in the jungle. you can see his patience is wearing a little thin. last night. we're going to be discussing that with sam lister and carole malone who are in with us this in the studio with us this morning. know your morning. let us know your thoughts, gbviews@gbnews.com. first, though, very latest first, though, your very latest news tamsin roberts . news with tamsin roberts. >> beth, thank you and good morning from the newsroom . it's morning from the newsroom. it's 10:02 net migration to the uk was up in 2022. however, new figures show a downward trend to june this year, a record was hit in december with 745,000 arrivals. that's estimated to drop to just over 670,000 in the year to june . the office for year to june. the office for national statistics says it's too early to tell if it's a start of a trend. but most

estimates suggest immigration is slowing. while the number of people leaving the uk is going up , the timing of the next up, the timing of the next election had no impact on the decision to cut taxes, according to the chancellor, jeremy hunt used the autumn statement yesterday to announce cuts to national insurance . it's worth national insurance. it's worth £10 billion, he said. the economy has defied the odds and that a recession had been avoided . avoided. >> but the measures that i've taken today are what, more than 200 businesses wrote to me to ask for the big business organised nations like the cbi said it was the single most transformative thing that i could do. they're not particularly crowd pleasers. they're not the tax cuts that are on the tip of everyone's tongues, like an income tax cut or inheritance tax. but they are the things that will make the biggest difference to our long term competitiveness as well. >> shadow financial secretary to the treasury , james murray, says the treasury, james murray, says the treasury, james murray, says the public feels neglected.

you've had 13 years of low growth. >> you've had high taxes, you've had public services crumbling. and i think, you know, people know how they feel in this country at the moment under the cost of living crisis. if you ask families, you know, do you and you and your family and your you and your family feel better now than you feel better off now than you were years ago? think right were 13 years ago? i think right across overwhelming across britain, the overwhelming answer no. and all of answer will be no. and all of thatis answer will be no. and all of that is borne out by the statistics and the figures which were issued yesterday alongside the statement and the the autumn statement and the prospects and change prospects for growth and change in future are not there in the future are not there either . ehhen >> desphe ehhen >> despite those tax cuts , >> despite those tax cuts, energy bills are expected to rise after the energy regulator announced a 5% increase to the price cap from january. the average household will pay around £94 more over the course of a year. ofgem says the increase is driven almost entirely by market instability and global events , including the and global events, including the war in ukraine. liberal democrat spokesperson for the treasury, sarah olney, said the tories aren't doing enough and they're seeing, you know , and again this

seeing, you know, and again this morning we're hearing that the energy price cap is going up so people can look forward. >> if i can put it like that, to higher energy bills again this winter. and what they see from the tories is basically they're just completely of touch . just completely out of touch. you it feels like rishi you know, it feels like rishi sunak. you know, it feels like rishi sunak . jeremy hunt don't sunak. jeremy hunt they don't really understand what it's like on the ground for ordinary everyday people . everyday people. >> the foreign secretary is visiting israel amid uncertainty about when a pause in the war with hamas will begin. the agreement for a four day ceasefire in gaza appears to have been delayed , a senior have been delayed, a senior israeli official said it would not take effect before friday, a day later than originally expected . and under the planned expected. and under the planned agreement, hamas will release 50 israeli hostages in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners . a 150 palestinian prisoners. a eurosceptic politician whose anti—islam comments have led to death threats could be on track to become the next prime minister of the netherlands. geert wilders is leading talks to form a coalition government

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marcus said it's so it's 600,000. the ones we know about. what about the ones we don't know about ? marilyn has what about the ones we don't know about? marilyn has said when will our government wake up and do something about the boats? it can't be that difficult to get the navy to take them back they take them back to where they came from. sick of this. came from. i'm sick of this. i think it's important to clarify these figures as well. this is correct this is net correct that this is net migration on june 20th, 23, migration on two june 20th, 23, main 670,000. is main figure of 670,000. that is separate , of course, to people separate, of course, to people who've across small who've come across on small boats, . is 28,000. boats, which. is 28,000. >> indeed, this year, which is nothing compared to the legal migration. this is exactly it. you know, no one likes to see the spectacle of those illegal boat crossings. it's a humanitarian, economic and national security disaster. but it's the tip of the iceberg compared to legal net migration , compared to legal net migration, lesley says. good morning. the ideal number of immigrants for me is zero. the uk is full, broke and finished hard to disagree with what lesley says there, given the fact that yesterday's autumn statement demonstrates that this country lives beyond its means.

>> and yet have this massive >> and yet we have this massive labour shortage and how we reconcile the two is what is particularly difficult, isn't it? we're seeing the actions this morning. these figures only broke about 40 minutes ago. so we're reaction from we're seeing reaction from politicians, newspaper politicians, various newspaper commentators online this morning. the new conservatives group. so they're on the tory, right? they're saying that ministers need to close temporary visa schemes for care home workers and cap the number of refugees resettling in the uk at 20,000 in order to slash this net migration figure to 226,000 by the time of the election next yeah by the time of the election next year. but we need care. home workers. >> well, the thing is, if we need 670,000 people a year, which has a huge impact on our infrastructure , then this infrastructure, then this country is not fit for purpose, especially with over 5 million people of working age, not active in the economy. why >> yeah, absolutely. these are huge questions. >> yeah, absolutely. these are huge questions . get >> yeah, absolutely. these are huge questions. get in >> yeah, absolutely. these are huge questions . get in touch huge questions. get in touch this morning. let us know your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.com now

to talk us through these net migration statistics, we're joined by human rights lawyer david. hey, good morning david. always great to see you. do these figures come as a surprise for you? did you expect them to be perhaps a little less? >> hi. good morning to you both , >> hi. good morning to you both, i think. well, first of all, to answer your question, i think that i i'm surprised that i mean, i'm surprised they're larger . i think, you they're not larger. i think, you know, some very know, you said some very important earlier, important things earlier, particularly trying to, you know, differentiate know, we need to differentiate these between figures of these between the figures of so—called and so—called legal migration and illegal migration, which is people for instance, coming across the channel. and i'm seeing that the government really isn't making its really isn't kind of making its best to show those. but best efforts to show those. but i'm surprised they're not larger given chaos that we given the current chaos that we are in terms of both legal are in in terms of both legal and illegal migration. >> indeed . i mean, the issue >> indeed. i mean, the issue we've got, david, is that neither figure is palatable to many of our viewers and listeners . the illegal boat listeners. the illegal boat crossings, but also the official net migration number. this is beyond the pale for many people who don't understand how we can accommodate 670,000 people in a

year. yeah >> well, absolutely . and i think >> well, absolutely. and i think one of the one of the important things and i think one of the things and i think one of the things actually that will come back to haunt the government is if you look at what cameron said, i think lord cameron now back he said the back in 2010, he said that the figures would down to tens figures would come down to tens of thousands and look where we are now. now, of course, as you said you know, said earlier on, mark, you know, legal legal migration is legal some legal migration is required. mean, i'm down in required. i mean, i'm down in cornwall moment and cornwall at the moment and over the you know, since the summer, you know, since brexit, there are enough brexit, there are not enough workers that do not workers or people that do not want like in want to do things like in agriculture picking fruit, agriculture or picking fruit, picking and picking vegetables, tourism. and that's harming business. that's really harming business. there's jobs. there there's lots of jobs. so there are need filling, are jobs that need filling, whether that's going whether obviously that's going to be the british people or foreign workers, but it's not. the current situation that i'm looking at is it's not benefiting british when the borders are not protected either in terms of legal or illegal migration. and we're also not helping the genuine asylum seekers, those that genuinely need our help because they'll all be villainized by what's

happening with weaponizing this . happening with weaponizing this. >> i'm interested , david, to >> i'm interested, david, to know your perspective on this with your experience of working with your experience of working with people who want to live in a different country. when we voted for brexit, a lot of people thought that would mean our immigration numbers would go down. at that time . when was it, down. at that time. when was it, 2016, 2017? did you expect that they would come down in your professional capacity or did you inevitably think this is not going to make any difference or we're going to see is people coming from other countries rather than europe for the latter? >> i mean, you know, i mean, i spent ten years of my professional life living in a foreign country, living in the middle east, you know, countries that run much on expat that are run very much on expat labouh that are run very much on expat labour. so i just i knew very much would would much that you would there would be european labour be a change from european labour filling of the positions filling some of the positions ins other countries. that's ins to other countries. that's what expecting and that's what i was expecting and that's effectively almost what we're seeing . and you know, the, the seeing. and you know, the, the country does need foreign labouh country does need foreign labour. we can go into forever talking about why, why brits won't fill certain lower paid

jobs. but i didn't expect it to be so high. i did expect it to come down. perhaps a little bit. obviously, you know, before . but obviously, you know, before. but now the way that the current government both government is mismanaging both the whole of immigration, whether it's legal or illegal, you know, i'm not expecting it to come down. i'm expecting it to come down. i'm expecting it to go up and up. and on top of that, what we're seeing in these figures and i've mentioned it before, if you look at how they've changed the way some of these figures calculated on these figures are calculated on top they're actually top of this, they're actually cooking are these cooking the books. so are these figures they say figures actually what they say they you can get they are? you know, you can get figures anything. and if figures to say anything. and if people look into how people really look into how they've changed, particularly when at visas, when you look at student visas, you has been some you know, there has been some cooking the books. cooking of the books. >> your fault, isn't >> it's all your fault, isn't it? david you this is you it? david you see, this is you might sorry, mark, might have sorry, mark, if i just pre—empted you, but i can't let go without asking this let him go without asking this question. was saying question. sarah vine was saying the with about the problem with talking about immigration married immigration and she was married to she was in to michael gove. she was in walking the corridors of power. she sat around table she was sat around the table with of boris johnson with the likes of boris johnson for years. this issue is so

inflammatory as for years. this issue is so infltstartitory as for years. this issue is so infltstart talking as for years. this issue is so infltstart talking about as for years. this issue is so infltstart talking about wantingas you start talking about wanting less people to come here, you're accused of being immoral . it is accused of being immoral. it is accused of being immoral. it is a moral and political judgement . a moral and political judgement. it's moral actually more than political and that's the fault of people like you , isn't it? of people like you, isn't it? human rights lawyers who make this emotional ? this emotional? >> well, i think, you know, i think you're correct in one of the things. i mean, certainly anyone know, if you anyone talking, you know, if you talk i mean, i'm obviously talk about i mean, i'm obviously i'm british. you talk i'm british. and if you talk about wanting to reduce the amount people of amount of people in terms of migration into the migration coming into the country, racists. country, you're called racists. even if you're not. i even if even if you're not. i mean, so that's the first thing. i mean, in terms blaming i mean, in terms of blaming lawyers, i mean, as lawyers, lawyers, i mean, as lawyers, lawyers basically work with lawyers only basically work with the it's the the existing law. so it's the fault the that put the fault of the people that put the law there in the first place and that the judges it's the politicians first and the judges. reason we're in judges. the reason why we're in the for instance, at the problem, for instance, at the problem, for instance, at the with illegal the moment with illegal migration of the migration is because of the human act. the european human rights act. the european court not court of human rights. i'm not saying of it, but those saying come out of it, but those are things that were brought into our law by politicians and ourjudges into our law by politicians and our judges interpreted so our judges interpreted them. so we the lawyers. the we can't blame the lawyers. the

lawyers doing we can't blame the lawyers. the lawy> and delighted to be >> and we're delighted now to be joined the studio by daily joined in the studio by daily telegraph and telegraph sketch writer and columnist grant. columnist madeline grant. madeline, a real challenge madeline, it's a real challenge for our viewers and listeners because that of 670,000 because that figure of 670,000 will many . but there will shock many. but there doesn't seem to be political will to tackle that number on either side of the house. >> yes , i completely agree. i >> yes, i completely agree. i think we're seeing glimmers of a recognition in number 10 now that this is a problem. i think some of what they've been trying to do about tightening up the rules around welfare and trying to get more people back to work, i slight omission i think that's a slight omission that too we've been that for too long we've been relying workers to do relying on migrant workers to do all these jobs rather than looking that exist looking at obstacles that exist in labour market in our own labour market and helping to work. helping people back to work. so i think they sort of get it, but it seems very much like too little late. and of course little too late. and of course bofis little too late. and of course boris johnson, whilst being boris johnson, who whilst being the brexit, the figurehead for brexit, i don't that he listened

the figurehead for brexit, i don"carefully at he listened the figurehead for brexit, i don"carefully to he listened the figurehead for brexit, i don"carefully to he lireasons very carefully to the reasons why people voted brexit why so many people voted brexit because presided over an because he presided over an incredibly liberal based incredibly liberal points based system set the kind of the system which set the kind of the criteria very low to include almost anyone who would want to come which explains why come here. which explains why the gone up so the numbers have gone up so dramatically. and, you know, there this myth that people there was this myth that people feel more in feel that they're more in control than they don't mind these high numbers too much. i think that's been think that's that's been absolutely shot to pieces over the last few months, especially . the last few months, especially. and we only have to look at what's just happened in the netherlands where they have voted politician of the of voted in a politician of the of the hard right. i'm sure not everyone who voted for geert wilders loves everything that he stands for. but this is a cry of desperation, basically saying you can't ignore concerns anymore. >> and those concerns are what those concerns are, that too much immigration has significantly and tangibly changed the landscape , the changed the landscape, the cultural landscape of the netherlands. that's what they're that's what they're trying to make the point about, isn't it? yes i think that's that's

definitely part of it. >> and if you have very high numbers of migration, all happening at the same time, it's impossible to integrate people properly. you end up with parallel community is existing in society and no sense of in a society and no sense of kind of common cause. and and social cohesion. but also i think just the myth that we were fed by liberals for a very long time actually migration time that actually migration is for the economy. i mean, for great the economy. i mean, if migration were so good for the economy as it's claimed, would be sitting the kind would we be sitting on the kind of figures that of anaemic growth figures that we right now, and we have right now, and especially if you take even the, i know, 0.5, 0.6% growth i don't know, 0.5, 0.6% growth that we're forecast , if you that we're forecast, if you break down to a per capita break that down to a per capita level, not simply the level, he not simply the product of having higher levels of immigration, it starts to look pretty negligible really . look pretty negligible really. >> well indeed. i think you get a short term bump in economic activity because obviously people arrive in the country and they they pay they start spending and they pay a tax perhaps if they're a bit of tax perhaps if they're working. but long term, the welfare bill grows . we've talked welfare bill grows. we've talked about school places, we've talked the talked about traffic on the roads, about creaking

roads, talked about the creaking nhs people will need nhs and more people will need care. well, at the moment, almost 8 million people are on a waiting list. so how an extra 670,000 helps the waiting list , 670,000 helps the waiting list, you know, is beyond me . but you know, is beyond me. but there's another factor housing. where are people going to live? and what's this going to do to rent this is such an important point. >> i'm often amazed by how few people who are my contemporaries in kind of late early in their kind of late 20s, early 30s who are struggling to build a how don't see that a house, how they don't see that the incredibly high the kind of incredibly high levels immigration that are levels of immigration that are liberal policy entails liberal migration policy entails how doesn't directly affect how that doesn't directly affect their of getting on the their chances of getting on the housing ladder and also finding even because the even a place to rent because the private if private rental market is, if anything, more impacted by high migration even than the home ownership, which is a kind of sometimes sometimes a separate thing altogether, because many people are not in a position to buy a house immediately. so they are competing for the same private. >> but let me let me push you on that a little, because i think that a little, because i think thatis that a little, because i think that is so interesting. what is in the minds, therefore, of your

contemporaries well, contemporaries who say, well, it's know, it's all it's okay, you know, it's all right. know, we like right. you know, we like immigration. why aren't they connecting the two? i think it's because they don't believe that they have a right as a british person. something about they have a right as a british perridentity something about they have a right as a british perridentity and;omething about they have a right as a british perridentity and ourething about they have a right as a british perridentity and our sense about they have a right as a british perridentity and our sense ofout our identity and our sense of belonging. and talk about the belonging. and we talk about the fact people feel state fact that people feel the state owe living. they do, but owe them a living. they do, but they have to put they have you have to put alongside that you also alongside that that you also have a right to be able to access a house if you can afford it. hard and you it. and you work hard and you put time is that what put the time in. is that what psychologically is going on a little bit? lot of little bit? well, a lot of people feel that because often that's what we saw. >> parents have, know, >> our parents have, you know, even whether whether wealthy or less home ownership is a big less so home ownership is a big part of life in britain. for part of life in britain. and for that be taken away from the that to be taken away from the next generation is quite painful because means accepting that because it means accepting that you'll less you'll probably have less than what did. you what your parents did. but you know, think that the know, i do think that the disconnect is partly explained that people are very angry with disconnect is partly explained thatgovernment very angry with disconnect is partly explained thatgovernment verthergry with disconnect is partly explained thatgovernmentverthe moment. so the government at the moment. so they to the they tend to blame the government exclusively for whatever gone briefly whatever has gone wrong. briefly madeleine, our madeleine, you report on our politicians every in the politicians every day in the telegraph, brilliantly politicians every day in the telegra|subject. brilliantly on that subject. >> i don't think we're getting

honesty starmer , from honesty from keir starmer, from ed or rishi sunak. honesty from keir starmer, from ed or rishi sunak . we've ed davey or rishi sunak. we've had some honesty from emmanuel macron, of all people who just a few weeks ago on live television said that france and other western countries cannot accept the misery of the world. strong language. if it wasn't macron , language. if it wasn't macron, he would have been described as a hard right populist. but we need honesty from our politicians ilk . politicians of that ilk. >> we do. we do. and you know, i'm glad that he used those kind of strong words. it's the kind of strong words. it's the kind of thing that french you of thing that a french you imagine a frenchman could pull of thing that a french you imislightlyzrenchman could pull of thing that a french you imislightly betternan could pull of thing that a french you imislightly better than ould pull of thing that a french you imislightly better than and pull off slightly better than an englishman. i think he englishman. yeah but i think he makes very good point the makes a very good point that the way refugee code is way that un refugee code is currently established, you know, there that there is absolutely no way that there is absolutely no way that the west europe can possibly early host all of the people who, according to the refugee convention now have a right to be here based on war and turmoil around the world. the world is a very complicated place. and with better technology and globalisation, than better technology and glob.can|tion, than better technology and glob.can actually than better technology and glob.can actually look than better technology and glob.can actually look at than better technology and glob.can actually look at thatan ever can actually look at that as prospect in a way they as a prospect in a way that they would never done in would never have done in previous so previous generations. so i think, know, we need to go

think, you know, we need to go back to the drawing board and rethink some stuff rethink some of this stuff because, know, world is because, you know, the world is a different place. yeah a very different place. yeah i never thought nice about never thought i'd be nice about emmanuel macron, but no, there you go. >> miracles happen. >> miracles happen. >> sort of film noir when he says it. we can't accept the miserable, the of miserable, the misery of the world. you would world. that's right. you would never such a powerful never hear such a powerful statement of rishi sunak. french are much more >> french are much more authoritarian than you would many people believe. know, many people believe. you know, they're by they're often held up by remainers this kind of like remainers as this kind of like valhalla yeah, nonsense. >> okay. brilliant. all right. stay us. madeleine still to stay with us. madeleine still to come, thorns. come, nella rose is thorns. well, were again in the well, they were out again in the jungle time. nigel was her jungle this time. nigel was her target. did you see it? yeah explosive stuff. oh, you don't want to miss this. it's britain's newsroom on .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . news. >> well, it's a 10:25 in the morning. you're watching britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, mark dolan in for andrew pierce alongside bev turner. so the state pension is going up. >> business taxes are coming down. benefits will be boosted and national insurance slashed to 10, slashed is probably slightly overegging the pudding, isn't it ? these are just some of isn't it? these are just some of the measures announced by the chancellor. >> but he's under pressure to go further on tax cuts. he spoke to eamonn ellie on breakfast eamonn and ellie on breakfast this morning. >> been very >> you've always been very honest has meant we've honest that that has meant we've had in order to had to raise taxes in order to pay had to raise taxes in order to pay for those schemes. but now we are able to start bringing

them down. and yes, there is a short term impact on growth when you're tackling inflation, because that means that interest rates are higher and that is reflected in the forecasts . but reflected in the forecasts. but the measures that i've taken today are what, more than 200 businesses wrote to me to ask for. >> still with us, the daily telegraph columnist madeline grant, and our economics and business editor liam halligan. liam further reflections on yesterday's autumn statement deckchairs being rearranged on the titanic. >> well , it wasn't really the titanic. >> well, it wasn't really a the titanic. >> well , it wasn't really a tax >> well, it wasn't really a tax cutting autumn statement at all. there were headline grabbing, tax cutting measures as but of course those rachel reeves were spot on. you have to hand it to her. those tax cuts were more than offset by the massive increase in taxation represented by the freezing of those tax thresholds. rishi sunak started that when he was chancellor back in 2022. they're going to be frozen all the way to 2028, drawing more and more people

into paying tax for million more people will be paying income tax in 2028 than in 2023 because these thresholds have been frozen. that's starting rate of tax, 12.5 grand and 3 million more people will be paying the higher rate of tax that are currently paying the basic rate of income tax, including middle ranking teachers , nurses, police ranking teachers, nurses, police . you know, as i said on dube's show last night, just be honest . show last night, just be honest. if you want to raise the basic rate of income tax by £0.06 over five years, which is what these tax cuts tax raises , these rises tax cuts tax raises, these rises amount to these freezing of thresholds, then do it. and you and i, bev and mark and mads and uncle tom cobley and all, we can have a chat about it and see if that's the way we want to run our economy. don't pretend that your tax cutting you're your tax cutting when you're actually because the actually tax raising because the punters know and they resent you for treating them as if they're stupid. you're so right. for treating them as if they're stujand you're so right. for treating them as if they're stujand inr're so right. for treating them as if they're stujand in fact,) right. for treating them as if they're stujand in fact, wejht. for treating them as if they're stujand in fact, we had adam >> and in fact, we had adam brooks pub landlord on yesterday who was just infuriated the who was just infuriated by the idea freezing duty on idea that we're freezing duty on alcohol somehow a gift. it's

alcohol was somehow a gift. it's like saying punch you in like saying i could punch you in the i won't punch you the face, but i won't punch you in the face. and therefore, aren't marvellous not aren't i marvellous that i'm not going to punch you in the face? i mean, adam is a boxer now, so i mean, adam is a boxer now, so i can use that analogy quite safely, but you safely, literally. but but you know the sort of stupidity that they impose upon they seem to impose upon the pubuc they seem to impose upon the public won't through public that we won't see through this astounding. is it's this is astounding. liam is it's the arts of political spin i >> -- >> look, if we did have a sort of £0.06 rise in the basic rate of £0.06 rise in the basic rate of income tax, you know, the likes on this panel, we likes of us on this panel, we talk about little there'd talk about little else there'd be would be i'm not saying there'd but there'd be civic unrest, but there'd be civic unrest, but there be massive there would be a massive philosophical discussion. are we sweden, finland are sweden, are we finland or are we america you america? right. but when you boil the frog slowly, the frog doesn't know that it's being boiled and freezing. tax thresholds, fiscal drag. it is the ultimate frog boiling exercise. this is meant to be an open democracy , a vibrant open democracy, a vibrant political culture where we talk about things and yet we've got these sneaky tax rises and it's massively counterproductive. >> just to explain the boiling frog analogy, i've had my three

shreddies this morning. i can tell i like it if you put a frog in boiling water, it will spot it instantly and it will leap out. if you put it in tepid water and you raise the heat slowly, it doesn't know when it dies. to any frogs dies. apologies to any frogs who were offended that analogy. were offended by that analogy. but madeleine, what struck me yesterday interested but madeleine, what struck me yest

give hand, take with give with one hand, take with another never any another. there's never any discussion might discussion of how we might simplify complex simplify the incredibly complex tax system that we have and therefore make it more transparent. but i think actually the complexity suits politicians because it means they can very easily give patronage to one particular group of voters if they want to court them. how very cynical of you. >> listen, can i offer something rare, which is a bit of balance on this? because i know that our viewers and listeners are struggling and that's millions of people who are worried about how they're going to pay their rent, costs of the rent, the costs of the supermarket, food inflation is a nightmare and so on. everything's going up. absolutely. but we had a pandemic two and a half, three years. we shut the economy down on off for that period. we on and off for that period. we borrowed half a trillion. i wonder whether it's a miracle we're in a worse state. we're not in a worse state. first of all, we are we do not have high inflation anymore. so that's gone to down just over 4. interest rates are steady and we avoided recession, unlike the

eurozone and germany. so i wonder whether the government might deserve credit that things aren't even worse. >> well, certainly, though, if we had had the opposition in charge, it would have taken us longer of lockdown. longer to get out of lockdown. they fiercely resisting any they were fiercely resisting any keir called freedom day keir starmer called freedom day reckless well, exactly. reckless. well, exactly. and there nonsense there was all that nonsense about the boris variant about this is the boris variant and all this absolute gutter , and all this absolute gutter, distasteful , ghoulish politics distasteful, ghoulish politics that they were indulging in, which, you know, at the time, i think probably you had loads of people on gb news who were criticising that. certainly in the telegraph. we were very critical too. but you critical of that too. but you know, boris said , you know, know, as boris said, you know, them's breaks. whoever is in them's the breaks. whoever is in charge blame for the charge will get blame for the situation unfair situation, however unfair that is. people will take. is. and people will take. >> is it not a story that britain has not entered recession? germany the recession? germany is the eurozone in recession. eurozone has been in recession. it i think it was the it was the i think it was the imf who predicted a year long recession for this. and the bank of england. >> that's true. and the obr seems have been wrong about seems to have been wrong about absolutely mean, absolutely everything. i mean, the be that you the story seems to be that you can't trust the official forecasts. however, i don't

think think we can be think i don't think we can be complacent about the terrible state that we're because, you state that we're in because, you know, were talking about know, as we were talking about before a of this before the break, a lot of this growth is actually just having higher people higher more people in the country . and if look at gdp, country. and if we look at gdp, which bit cooking the which is a bit like cooking the books, it? books, isn't it? >> well, exactly. >> well, exactly. >> think too. and either >> i think so, too. and either way, we need to we should be way, we need to be we should be looking countries that have looking at countries that have genuine, year on genuine, genuine growth year on year and looking at what they do and how they achieve that. >> liam, let's let's look forward then to the next six months because we know we're being we're being being we know we're being played to we? and we to some degree, don't we? and we know going to a lot know there's going to be a lot of electioneering decisions made know there's going to be a lot of the :tioneering decisions made know there's going to be a lot of the nexteering decisions made know there's going to be a lot of the next 6'ing decisions made know there's going to be a lot of the next 6 to; decisions made know there's going to be a lot of the next 6 to; ctoisions made know there's going to be a lot of the next 6 to; cto possiblyade in the next 6 to 6 to possibly 12 months, knowing what they did yesterday perhaps yesterday. how does that perhaps form a building block for what might come in the spring? >> well, i think matt's is right. it's easy for labour to carp from the sideline as the reason we haven't gone into recession. i think we've recession. mark, i think we've not got gone into recession in the country despite the politicians actions. we've not gone into recession because this country is full of very dynamic

dnven country is full of very dynamic driven , entrepreneurial people driven, entrepreneurial people who get up every day, go to work and make things happen. and that is the spark that britain has had. and in my view, always will have. that's why we've not gone into recession. we've also not gone into recession because of some smoke and mirrors, because we're borrowing lots of money. the government is and then spending it and that counts as extra gdp. but it doesn't count as extra gdp per head or per capita. and matt's is right. a lot of a lot of the gdp rise is also driven by in migration. so that's why standards of living are falling, even though there's growth looking forward. bev i do think there's going to be more talk of tax cuts, more headline grabbing tax cuts as the size of the state remorselessly increases because they're not going to change those tax bands. they're going to keep going with this. what we call fiscal drag. they're going to keep drawing more into more and more people into taxation at higher rates . yes. taxation at higher rates. yes. and that will mean there won't

be a feelgood factor . and that's be a feelgood factor. and that's why i think the tories will ultimately lose this election, because they're not generating a feel good factor. as reagan said . do you feel better off than this time four years ago? people don't. >> no, we don't. and you haven't made me feel any better, liam. but it's always nice to see you. >> i'd rather be gloomy than wrong. >> thank you, guys. i've got to move on here. you go. >> still to come, problematic pupils, teachers at an academy have because of have gone on strike because of concerns over staff safety and wellbeing behaviour wellbeing due to the behaviour of pupils , ryki and turkey of pupils, ryki and turkey troubles. >> 28% of brits said. they argue with family about cooking techniques at christmas . this techniques at christmas. this get stuffed that much more after your morning's news with . tamsin your morning's news with. tamsin >> thanks very much bev. here are the headlines at 1034. net migration to the uk was up in 2022, although new figures show

a downward trend to june this yeah a downward trend to june this year, a record was hit in december with 745,000 arrivals. that's estimated to drop to just over 670,000in the year to june. most estimates suggest immigration is slowing, while the number of people leaving the uk is going up, home secretary james cleverly said the new figure doesn't show a significant increase . the timing significant increase. the timing of the next general election had no impact on the decision to cut taxes, according to the chancellor . jeremy hunt used the chancellor. jeremy hunt used the autumn statement yesterday to announce cuts to national insurance, saving someone earning £35,000, more than £450 a year, he said. the economy has defied a year, he said. the economy has defied the odds and that a recession had been avoided despite those tax cuts, energy bills are expected to rise after the energy regulator announced a 5% increase to the price cap from january. the average household will pay around £94

more over the course of a year. ofgem says the increase is dnven ofgem says the increase is driven almost entirely by market instability and global events , instability and global events, including the war in ukraine. the foreign secretary is visiting israel amid uncertainty about when a pause in the war with hamas will begin. the agreement for a four day ceasefire in gaza appears to have been delayed. a senior israeli official said it would not take effect before friday. a day later than originally expected. under the planned agreement, hamas will release 50 israeli hostages in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners . as 150 palestinian prisoners. as lord cameron says he wants to see the agreed pause in fighting i >> -- >> today is also a day where we hope to see this humanitarian pause. hope to see this humanitarian pause . i hope to see this humanitarian pause. i think hope to see this humanitarian pause . i think that's important pause. i think that's important because it's an opportunity to get hostages out , out and to get get hostages out, out and to get aid in. and i hope and would urge everyone who is involved in that agreement to make sure that it happens . it happens. >> all those are the headlines .

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nigel farage absolutely made a splash. >> i think he's getting his message across. but i'm curious what you think will debate that . what you think will debate that. surely. this is britain's newsroom on

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andrew pierce alongside the fabulous bev turner. >> now, of course, what day is it? thursday day. that means. we're joined by political editor daily express sam lister and broadcaster and journalist carole malone. the carole malone. hence all the noise the chat right ? noise and all the chat right? >> yes, indeed. now, nigel farage is time in the australian jungle continues. and as ever, we're keeping a close eye on all the action. >> that's right. last night it was influencer. ooh, that's a proper job. was influencer. ooh, that's a properjob. nella rose stirring up trouble. you're an influencer. i am not. and i find you influential. likewise you very influential. likewise she was stirring up trouble amongst the campmates . have amongst the campmates. have a look at this. >> so we're going to get everything out in the open. let's get everything out of the way right. so when. sorry all the coming out now. so the teas coming out now. so basically. but this is what i was saying. apparently your anti immigrants . immigrants. >> and told you that? >> and who told you that? >> and who told you that? >> oh, the internet. >> oh, the internet. >> oh, the internet. >> oh well are then. it >> oh well there we are then. it must true. it must be true. must be true. it must be true. it it must true . it must be. it must be true. >> but then why don't >> okay. but then why don't black like you? black people like you? >> you'd be amazed. they do. you'd be amazed. >> nigel, if you came with me.

>> nigel, if you came with me. >> if you came with me, if you. if you came with me through south london, you'd be astonished. oh, wow. >> what were you doing south >> what were you doing in south london, there every day. >> well, i'm there every day. >> well, i'm there every day. >> you're in south dumas. wait, sorry. i'm so sorry to be shot. what sorry. what are you doing? sorry. >> south london. >> he's from south london. i travel through south london. >> so everyone hates for no >> so everyone hates you for no reason. no, no, not that reason. well no, no, not that everyone hates. that was so bad. but, like, disagree with but, like, you can disagree with somebody . somebody. >> chuck around >> but to chuck around accusations the way that they've been chucked around is grossly unfair anti—immigrant, been chucked around is grossly unfair no anti—immigrant, been chucked around is grossly unfair no no.nti—immigrant, been chucked around is grossly unfair no no. all-immigrant, been chucked around is grossly unfair no no. all-imnsaidit, been chucked around is grossly unfair no no. all-imnsaid is right? no no. all i've said is we cannot go on with the numbers coming that coming to britain that are coming. you why ? i'm one coming. do you know why? i'm one of the numbers, right. so that's it then. so should it be 5 million a year? 10 million? question no, you don't see. nigel hang on, hang on, hang on. >> hang immigrants. you hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. >> had you been in power a bit later about immigrants ? later about immigrants? >> so frustrating to watch that. carole malone, she's not listening. she's not thinking . listening. she's not thinking. and nigel's urging her to just

think about what you're saying. don't make it personal. >> i think if you were to ask that girl a single a single question about immigration, how many people come to the country every year? why why are you against it? she wouldn't be able to answer she just has she to answer it. she just has she has heard that, that has heard that, nigel, that nigel is a racist. and that's that's the she it on that's the trope. she read it on the internet, but she read it on the internet, but she read it on the internet. my god, she's probably newspaper the internet. my god, she's pr

people's like for him if you know what mean. they so people know what i mean. they so people who know he's not a racist, you know, he's one the most know, he's one of the most influential unelected politicians of our generation. history about this guy politicians of our generation. histhe' about this guy politicians of our generation. histhe guy about this guy politicians of our generation. histhe guy who about this guy politicians of our generation. histhe guy who instigated; guy as the guy who instigated brexit, as the guy who brought down just about brought down coutts bank. you know, this is one guy who doesn't have has never had single vote in never had a single vote in parliament. so i think this will go because she go against her because she clearly doesn't know what she's talking about, about immigration. to immigration. and when he said to her, you mean 5 million come her, do you mean 5 million come in? should 10 million come in? she kind of answer that she don't kind of answer that because doesn't what because she doesn't know what any would mean. any of that would mean. >> also, when he said, you >> but also, when he said, you know, i think we should know, he said, i think we should have fewer migrants. she's have fewer migrants. and she's like, well, i am one them. i like, well, i am one of them. i think british born and think she's british born and bred, i think she's bred, actually. i think she's london think london born girl. so i think even definition is this is even the definition is this is a problem, isn't it, sam? we fall over the words in this nation. it's about language and it's all about the language and quite not being quite rightly not being discriminatory against people who aren't here. quite who aren't born here. quite right. this honest, right. but having this honest, open without it being open debate without it being personal emotional. and personal and emotional. and that's how it that's a great example of how it always difficult .

always gets difficult. >> is the problem because >> this is the problem because it personal for people. you it is personal for people. you know, you are from a family know, if you are from a family thatis know, if you are from a family that is you know, a migrant family, even if you are the kind of british born next generation, i can see why that is personal. but this is not about personal, is it? the point nigel farage is making is the numbers of migrants coming into the country is huge and we have to work out as a nation what we want to do about this. you know, there is an argument that actually you do get off the back of get some growth off the back of it, actually, that it, but actually, i know that the figures released this morning net migration morning on the net migration figures huge and figures are huge and conservative mps are absolutely furious this. they're furious about this. they're saying actually the net migration. so net migration strips out the number of people who have left the country. so actually it's than a actually it's more than a million people year coming to million people a year coming to the more than million the country. more than a million people is not people a year. that is not sustainable most conservative people a year. that is not susteminds, most conservative people a year. that is not susteminds, most st conservative people a year. that is not susteminds, most definitely. ative mps minds, most definitely. >> i mean, you've got that eye—watering figure of 1.2 million people entering the country . i mean, yet the net net country. i mean, yet the net net figure is 670, but over a

million people in a year. does that destabilise society? what is on our public is the impact on our public services, all the rest of it. and i thought that episode last night on liberty reflected night on liberty sam reflected how this debate how irrational this debate around immigration is and how deluded many people are . deluded many people are. >> and it's very easy to throw the accusation of racism around, isn't it? and actually it is incredibly damaging . you know, incredibly damaging. you know, nobody wants to be accused of that. soon as you kind of that. but as soon as you kind of go that, over, isn't it? go to that, it's over, isn't it? there is no rational and if you do get into the reality of it, you know, why can't people get a roof their roof over their heads? >> why is accommodation so expensive rental house expensive now? rental house prices, we build prices, you know, we don't build enough the roads enough houses. why are the roads full can't you full of traffic? why can't you get school place for your kid? get a school place for your kid? well, the answer is the number of people coming into the country. that honest debate. >> yes, but there is a people don't to have that debate, don't want to have that debate, don't want to have that debate, do they, people, carol, sarah vine saying earlier that vine was saying earlier that politically she can trace this back blair, actually. back to tony blair, actually. >> way that he changed >> and the way that he changed the opened the the conversation, he opened the borders completely. borders for europe completely. >> was warned that >> he was he was warned that quite a lot of people were

coming. his original estimate was hundred come. was a few hundred would come. thousands in first thousands came in the first yeah thousands came in the first year. opened the doors year. so he opened the doors and it's put the plug it's very hard to put the plug back in once you've done that. and back to nigel, and but going back to nigel, when she said everyone hates you, really you, i find this really interesting that you know, interesting that that, you know, you go he said, i'm in east london every day and i'm talking to don't the to people. people don't take the time and his time to understand. and his appeal and the reason is appeal and the reason he is appealing to many people is because, understands that because, as he understands that people feel that politicians aren't listening anymore to what they think or what they want . they think or what they want. and so and he does. and he gets that and he talks to them about about that and people like that girl suella have no clue about that. you know, she she doesn't care about politics. she probably ain't voting come the election. i bet she doesn't read anything. she doesn't care about the just that everyone anything. she doesn't care about the the just that everyone anything. she doesn't care about the the tories.1at everyone anything. she doesn't care about the the tories. buteveryone anything. she doesn't care about the the tories. but foryone anything. she doesn't care about the the tories. but for most hates the tories. but for most people, for people who do vote for whose are for people whose lives are affected what happens in affected by what happens in politics, at nigel politics, they look at nigel farage and they think he's listening to what we say, and he gets that we're not being

listened the listened to. and that's why the people who against him feed people who are against him feed his appeal, because people realise that they say, god, you know, he knows what we mean. he gets us. and i've been on the camp was campaigning for camp when he was campaigning for an i was the an mp seat, i was on the campaign trail and they campaign trail with him and they treat like a rock god. and treat him like a rock god. and that's from every class you get. you know, he goes to the guy that's the vest on the that's got the vest on and the fag mouth and the bottle fag in his mouth and the bottle of beer in his hand. the guy ianes of beer in his hand. the guy invites him in they're best invites him in and they're best mates. within minutes, he mates. within ten minutes, he goes an upper goes into an upper class household. same he's household. they same thing. he's able communicate people able to communicate with people and leaders and great and yes, great leaders and great politicians. i call them a politician. they they they're often look at often very divisive. look at churchill, at thatcher. but churchill, look at thatcher. but the bottom line is they're able to people with them. and to take people with them. and that's the that's what he. now, here's the question for you, carol. >> the country need a five >> does the country need a five year on immigration in year pause on on immigration in to order regroup? >> know, the rest of europe >> you know, the rest of europe is this now. they're is doing this now. they're trying pause germany's trying to pause germany's germany already said they're germany has already said they're vetting they vetting people in a way they never before. all the carl never did before. all the carl heneghan countries are doing exactly it's exactly the same because it's out of you know,

out of control. you know, germany in a million people germany took in a million people in and thought in a year and thought it was doing good thing. the doing a really good thing. the bottom line, it's not they're in a slump. about to go a slump. they're about to go into in germany into a recession in germany because happened because of what's happened with with immigration and money. so, yeah, be a a yeah, there should be a pause, a five year pause. >> what about that? and a referendum on it, perhaps? sam >> referendum, i think think >> a referendum, i think i think the fed up the country's fed up a referendum on it. the country's fed up a refelandum on it. the country's fed up a refel don'tl on it. the country's fed up a refel don't think on it. the country's fed up a refel don't think nigelon it. the country's fed up a refel don't think nigel would win >> i don't think nigel would win that as well. well, i think that one as well. well, i think he would because in a way, as i said earlier, brexit was the closest ever came to the public. >> the british public being asked our opinion on on levels of migration. that's true. asked our opinion on on levels of randition. that's true. asked our opinion on on levels of rand clearly, that's true. asked our opinion on on levels of rand clearly, youat's true. asked our opinion on on levels of rand clearly, you know, e. asked our opinion on on levels of rand clearly, you know, from >> and clearly, you know, from the point of view, we the express's point of view, we were very happy with the verdict on you know, on that. but but, you know, i think that we don't want to resort referendums all the resort to referendums all the time. conservative party was time. the conservative party was elected has been elected elected and has been elected since it will since 2010 on the basis it will reduce briefly. >> your great paper is very pro brexit many viewers brexit and many of our viewers and feel that and listeners will feel that when they look at that figure of 670,000 year, brexit has failed. >> yeah. and i think people are disappointed that and disappointed that actually and this migration, this is legal migration, don't forget migration

forget this is legal migration that on. that is going on. >> we control over exactly. >> we have control over exactly. >> we have control over exactly. >> and they want action. >> and they want action. >> the government >> how how are the government going spin this story today going to spin this story today in any sort of positive way? >> james cleverly been >> well, james cleverly has been out. responding, out. he's been responding, saying to reduce the saying we do need to reduce the numbers, it's not clear yet numbers, but it's not clear yet how he plans to do that. let's say what he says. >> so, james cleverly, home secretary, has said the migration figure quote, not migration figure is, quote, not showing a significant increase. but working but we are working across government measures government on further measures to prevent exploitation and manipulation of our visa system. this about manipulation of this isn't about manipulation of the visa system. these are people are quite people who are here quite legally. >> e“ n emu- e n that the >> yeah, and i know that the immigration minister, robert jenrick, he feels very strongly about and he put about this and he has put forward proposals number forward proposals to number 10 to quickly and radically reduce the numbers . now it's up to the numbers. now it's up to number 10 to then decide if they want to take those actions, which will no doubt be quite controversial, because inevitably they know, that inevitably they you know, that is the area we're in. it has to have to do something. >> it has to. sam, doesn't he? because, you know, he knows now, you he's been talking you know, he's been talking about legal

about immigration, legal and otherwise, he otherwise, for so long. if he doesn't this, with the doesn't do this, even with the next gives us all, you next budget, gives us all, you know, £10,000 each. he's still not going to win if he doesn't tackle not going to win if he doesn't tacihow does he put positive >> how does he put a positive spin you are the spin on carol, you are the person i know can always person that i know can always find something good to say about the party, on the conservative party, even on the conservative party, even on the when and your mate the days when me and your mate tory can't think of tory boy can't think of anything. and really anything. and we're really trying. you always find trying. you can always find something you are something good. how if you are advising this morning, how advising sunak this morning, how does spin positively? does he spin this positively? well immigration immigration thing. >> well, got m!" ml.- ml.— >> well, he's got he's got to do what he's been saying. i will tackle i'm tackle immigration, that i'm going boats. he's going to stop the boats. he's got tackle legal immigration got to tackle legal immigration now because we cannot have a million people coming into million plus people coming into this year. it just this country every year. it just it's know, talking, it's you know, we're talking, you the boats know the you know, the boats know the people in on boats people coming in on the boats like 23,000 this year is nothing compared to this . oh, yeah. so compared to this. oh, yeah. so absolutely. okay. this much absolutely. okay. this is much more important. >> can't why can't >> why can't there be why can't there sam a number. there be sam lister, a number. why agree as a country why can't we agree as a country that 150, 200,000 a year, we need the nurses , we need a few need the nurses, we need a few students, but just set a figure.

and that's the quota . like and that's the quota. like a nightclub, one in, one out. >> we did and we did as a country in 2010. dave cameron promised net migration in the tens of thousands under 100,000. and every year since it has gone up and the government, you know, the conservatives were voted in on that basis . they just now on that basis. they just now have to control the levers they have to control the levers they have to control the levers they have to make that happen. >> briefly, how will labour handle this? will the figures go up under labour? >> it's almost inevitable . i >> it's almost inevitable. i mean, that is the because that's the point, bev, isn't it, that those on the left actually don't really believe in borders, do they? >> absolutely. but actually i was thinking then is these numbers are million people numbers are 1.2 million people came here, 508,000 people left. maybe if starmer as prime maybe if keir starmer as prime minister, a lot more people will leave. knows? problems leave. who knows? problems solved . where are we moving? to solved. where are we moving? to australia. yeah australia looks nice, isn't it? right still to come, it's been another shocking week in the covid inquiry. patrick vallance, sir chris whitty and jonathan van—tam have

all been well giving a side of the pandemic. they would say it's their side. we would say there might be more than that . a there might be more than that. a couple of sides to each of their stories. we're going to be going through is through that next. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. >> welcome to your latest >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. with me, annie the met it'll annie from the met office. it'll be another and cloudy day be another mild and cloudy day for many southern areas, we for many southern areas, but we will shift from will start to see a shift from the as we get much colder the north as we get much colder air introduced. that's because this finally this cold front is finally sinking it's been sinking southwards. it's been lingering across the north over the few days, but behind it the past few days, but behind it we've got significantly colder air. across scotland, it will air. so across scotland, it will start feel quite chilly start to feel quite chilly through already through this afternoon. already starting to see some snow showers falling over the hills to the south, though, quite a different story. cloudy and fairly some sunshine here fairly mild. some sunshine here and there poking through and temperatures similar to yesterday here around 12 or 13 degrees, just above average for the time of year. but overnight is when we start to see that really chilly feel starting to become a bit more dominant.

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>> good morning . it's 11:00 at 9:00 on gb news is. >> good morning . it's11:00 on >> good morning. it's11:00 on thursday, the 23rd of november. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me bev turner and mark dolan in for andrew pierce >> yeah, loving having your company higher than we thought. net migration to the uk in the year to december 2022 was higher than previously thought, hitting a new record . of 745,000 and a new record. of 745,000 and a vote winning statement. >> jeremy hunt announced the biggest tax cuts since the 1980s are the tories setting out their stall for a general election ? stall for a general election? the chancellor spoke to eamonn anelli on breakfast. >> there's no idea when the next election will be, but when it comes to elections , people do comes to elections, people do vote. conservative because they think that we are going to take the right decisions for the long term of the economy. they fundamentally trust our throats cut . cut. >> that's the threat. jonathan van—tam family received during the pandemic.

van—tam family received during the pandemic . we'll discuss all the pandemic. we'll discuss all of the big revelations of the covid inquiry this week. and of course, really the big story in town is the latest figures for net migration 672,000 in a year. thatis net migration 672,000 in a year. that is a city the size of liverpool in 12 months. is that sustainable ? sustainable? >> no, not if we're going to do that every year. it's just not sustainable. let us know your thoughts this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com. but first of all, roberts with all, here's tamsin roberts with the latest . news the very latest. news >> beth thank you and good morning from the gb newsroom. it's 11:01 net migration to the it's11:01 net migration to the uk was up in 2022, although new figures show a downward trend to june this year, according to the office for national statistics, a record was hit in december with 745,000 arrivals. that's

estimated to drop to just over 670,000 in the year to june . 670,000 in the year to june. most estimates suggest immigration is slowing, while the number of people leaving the uk is going up. the number of people leaving the uk is going up . home secretary uk is going up. home secretary james cleverly said the new figure doesn't show a significant increase . the timing significant increase. the timing of the next election had no impact on the decision to cut taxes, according to the chancellor . jeremy hunt used the chancellor. jeremy hunt used the autumn statement yesterday to announce cuts to national insurance , saying someone insurance, saying someone earning £35,000, for example , earning £35,000, for example, will have more than £450 a year in their pocket, he said the economy has defied the odds and that a recession had been avoided. >> but the measures that i've taken today are what more than 200 businesses wrote to me to ask for the big business organisations like the cbi said it was the single most transformative thing that i could do. they're not particularly crowd pleasers. they're not the tax cuts that

are on the tip of everyone's tongues like an income tax cut or inheritance tax. but they are the things that will make the biggest difference to our long term competitiveness. >> but shadow financial secretary to the treasury , james secretary to the treasury, james murray, says the public feels neglected. you've had 13 years of low growth, you've had high taxes, you've had public services crumbling. >> and i think, you know, people know how they feel in this country at the moment under the cost living crisis. if cost of living crisis. if you ask families, you do you ask families, you know, do you and and your family and your you and your family feel better than you feel better off now than you were years ago? i think right were 13 years ago? i think right across britain, the overwhelming answer will be no. and all of thatis answer will be no. and all of that is borne out the that is borne out by the statistics and the figures which were yesterday alongside were issued yesterday alongside the autumn statement and the prospects and change prospects for growth and change in future are not there in the future are not there either . ehheh >> well, despite those tax cuts, energy bills are expected to rise after the energy regulator announced a 5% increase to the price cap from january. the average household will pay around £94 more over the course of a year .

around £94 more over the course of a year. ofgem around £94 more over the course of a year . ofgem says the of a year. ofgem says the increase is driven almost entirely by market instability and global events , including the and global events, including the war in ukraine. while liberal democrat spokesperson for the treasury, sarah olney , said the treasury, sarah olney, said the tories aren't doing enough and they're seeing , you know, and they're seeing, you know, and again this morning we're hearing that the energy price cap is going up so people can look forward, if i can put it like that, to higher energy bills again this winter. >> and what they see from the tories is basically they're just completely out of touch. you know, like rishi sunak, know, it feels like rishi sunak, jeremy hunt they don't really understand what it's like on the ground for ordinary everyday people . people. >> the foreign secretary is visiting israel amid uncertain about when a pause in the war with hamas will begin the agreement for a four day ceasefire in gaza appears to have been delayed. a senior israeli official said it would not take effect before friday. a day later than originally expected. under the planned agreement, hamas will release 50 israeli hostages in exchange for

150 palestinian prisoners . david 150 palestinian prisoners. david cameron says he wants to see the agreed pause . agreed pause. >> today is also a day where we hope to see this humanitarian pause. i think that's important because it's an opportunity to get hostages out and to get aid in. and i hope and would urge everyone who is involved in that agreement to make sure that it happens a eurosceptic politician whose anti—israel comments have led to death threats could be on track to become the next prime minister of the netherlands. >> geert wilders is leading talks to form a coalition government after his freedom party scored an upset last night. he promised to be a prime minister for everyone, but the result will send shockwaves across europe. the right wing populist has stoked tensions and generated headlines with promises to freeze immigration, slash payments to the eu and veto all new members to the bloc, including ukraine. but

despite his euroscepticism, he'll have to work with pro—eu parties if he's to form government politics. >> for 25 years now and this is the happiest day of my life so far in politics. we became the number one party by far. i mean, it's what a lot of people, if you would have asked them a year ago, would called you mad. and it happened today. so i'm very proud . i'm very happy. it happened today. so i'm very proud . i'm very happy . and it proud. i'm very happy. and it bnngs proud. i'm very happy. and it brings along a lot of feeling of responsibility . responsibility. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. just say play gb news. now it's back to beth and . mark back to beth and. mark >> very good morning. it's 1106. >> very good morning. it's1106. look who's here today, not andrew pierce. mark dolan is with us this morning. >> he's got a day off. there you go. >> i'm not a morning person, but it's great to have your company. >> neither am i.

>> neither am i. >> it's still up the beer every day. that's exactly right. >> i can i can smell the pinot grigio from here. now >> emails. been getting >> emails. you've been getting in touch. jill has said the problem have stopped problem is people have stopped differentiating between legal and it's and illegal immigration. it's illegal immigration. that the illegal immigration. that is the one are angry about. one that people are angry about. this the of these this is off the back of these record figures this morning 670,000 came here last 670,000 people came here last year , viva said. is the year legally, viva said. is the home secretary on a different planet? he hated it. he stated, sorry, it only gone up slightly. 606,000 and 672,000. we can't keep paying for everyone . why keep paying for everyone. why bother to pay tax and council tax any more? >> and of course the only politician serious about stopping the boats and tackling legal net migration is suella braverman, who's not even in the cabinet anymore. what does that tell you ? scott says. mark, tell you? scott says. mark, we're not short of we we're not short of workers. we have thousands companies have thousands of companies refusing above the refusing to pay above the minimum wage. would be. minimum wage. question would be. question would you be a care worker for the minimum wage? foreigners do it because the

remittance it pays is worth greater than it is remaining in the uk. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> it's so difficult. i mean, my son's 20. would he do the jobs that a lot of the immigrants come here and want to do the cleaning? the security guard, you know, the care home work ? you know, the care home work? no, he wouldn't. >> no. and of course, a very big debate earlier in the week, which i know you covered, about a government minister saying that but that if you are disabled but able to work , you have a duty to able to work, you have a duty to do so. >> and i think we need a national conversation about what being a citizen involves. and yes, you've got to follow the being a citizen involves. and yes, and've got to follow the being a citizen involves. and yes, and pay|ot to follow the being a citizen involves. and yes, and pay your follow the being a citizen involves. and yes, and pay your taxes,/ the being a citizen involves. and yes, and pay your taxes, but; law and pay your taxes, but perhaps put a shift in as well. that's right. >> it shouldn't be a >> and it shouldn't be a punishment going and punishment going to work and doing a job should not feel like a punishment. it should be something that gives you a sense of purpose in the morning and you want to get out of out of bed. you want to go and talk to other work. and other people at work. and somehow, you said, is it somehow, as you said, is it 5 million people have, of working age? >> exactly. not active in the economy? i think that going to work is your duty. and

work is your national duty. and i need to certainly i think we need to certainly have that conversation going forward. now, the estimated net migration at the uk at migration in stood at the uk at a provisional 672,000 up to june of this year . of this year. >> so let's go live to our political editor, christopher hope. good morning, chris. i think you're probably in westminster somewhere gauging the reaction for you. there you are at downing street, gauging the reaction for us from the politicians. i've been asking all of our guests this morning, how do conservatives put how do the conservatives put some positive spin on how do the conservatives put some numbers)sitive spin on how do the conservatives put some numbers ..itive spin on these numbers. >> well, they're trying to. so james cleverly, who's the new home secretary, is telling us that they've expanded their health visa scheme to just allow for more social workers . they're for more social workers. they're proud of that. they are. they recognise they're trying to provide humanitarian routes for people leaving hong kong , people leaving hong kong, ukraine and afghanistan. but these are a complete these figures are a complete disaster for the tory party . disaster for the tory party. they've caused internally behind the scenes on whatsapp groups. there is a civil war breaking out at the moment. the new

conservative of tory mps conservative group of tory mps led by miriam cates and danny kruger, they've issued a statement this is statement saying this issue is do or die for the conservative party they're saying high rates of migration depress wages, reduce investment in skills and technology, put unsustainable pressure on housing and public services and threaten community cohesion , in all of which many cohesion, in all of which many on the right would agree with. there's a problem here. everyone knows about the issue with small boats. that's tens of thousands of people arriving across the water on the south coast of this country. that's almost symptom country. that's almost a symptom of a bigger malaise that the government is allowing as many more than one, more than a 1.2 million people to come here. net out. that's the net number, not those who have left. the ones who here take off those who who come here take off those who have left, come here settling in here we have all sorts here when we have all all sorts of problems public services of problems with public services being housing. and being stressed and housing. and that's choice made by that's a choice that's made by the behind me in downing the people behind me in downing street, and street, a political choice. and that's that's of the that's that's part of the problem. that's what's many that's that's part of the problcan'tthat's what's many that's that's part of the problcan't understands many that's that's part of the problcan't understand . many that's that's part of the problcan't understand . the many that's that's part of the

problcan't understand . the vote1y mps can't understand. the vote was to take back control of borders in 2016. well, it appears that hasn't happened . appears that hasn't happened. seven years later, the chop faux pas do you think that today's figure, now the latest figure that we have for legal net migration of 672,000 up to june of 2023 will have electoral implications. it will do . i implications. it will do. i mean, i'm trying to trying to find out for gb news viewers what suella braverman thinks of this. of course, the home secretary, until a week last monday. now, she told me, for example, podcast, idea example, on my podcast, an idea for another news organisation in october 2022 that she wanted to get these figures down to tens of thousands, tens of thousands. and there's a figure at six, and if there's a figure at six, 672,000, it's a it's a huge factor. more than that . and it factor. more than that. and it will be a problem. i think the only thing they've got going for them, the tory party, is that labour hasn't got a better answer. labour's answer is simply to increase and make better with better relations with enforcement bodies on the

continent, doing continent, but not doing anything. they're not doing more than the tories than the tory party. the tories are trying rwanda are trying to make rwanda work, break these gangs break the model of these gangs who people across the who trafficked people across the channel not channel but again, that's not the story here. that's about the illegal migration arrivals . the story here. that's about the illegal migration arrivals. this is a legal number. and part of the problem is , bev and mark, the problem is, bev and mark, that you've got a lot of people on benefits who aren't working. we've got a very tight labour economy. the treasury also behind me, number 11 downing street, they want people come street, they want people to come into country to take these into the country to take these jobs get the economy growing jobs and get the economy growing . a bind. . so it's in quite a bind. i think politicians have sat for a while and not really getting more people off benefits into work. we saw it start last week with the with jeremy hunt and mel stride . but really they've mel stride. but really they've got a lot more work to do. it's a long term problem here for the on the tory watch . this has happened. >> okay. all right . thank you >> okay. all right. thank you very much, christopher hope there at downing we're there at downing street. we're joined the studio our joined back in the studio by our home security mark home and security editor mark white, who had a little bit more time to drill down into these figures. they tell us,

figures. what do they tell us, mark? will just mark? and some people will just be on now this morning. be turning on now this morning. >> headline figure of >> well, that headline figure of 672,000, migration 672,000, the net migration figure, of course, we figure, which, of course, we would thought would have would have thought would have been but it's not, been a new record. but it's not, because what the ons figures also show when i was standing a few months back on cliff top in dover , were giving the figure of dover, were giving the figure of 606,000 net migration. it appears that was wrong because they've revised that figure to 745,000, which is just enormous . 745,000, which is just enormous. but there we are. so 745,000. so what is that from 6 or 6? that's 130,000 ish or something like that. yeah yeah. of a difference , which is just incredible . they , which is just incredible. they have the way in which they are calculating their figures has has now changed. and that, we're told, accounts for that disparity. but it is very significant. >> it's pushing, it's pushing a million net migration in a year, isn't it really?

>> it's not far off that figure. and you have to wonder about the implications. i mean, something we earlier are we talked about earlier is are infrastructure. could be that infrastructure. it could be that having the having skilled workers in the country , we got care home staff, country, we got care home staff, we've got nurses , all rest we've got nurses, all the rest of it, plus students . that's of it, plus students. that's great the the great news for the for the universal 80s, but we just don't have infrastructure to back have the infrastructure to back it up. if we had more roads, more houses, more hospitals, it up. if we had more roads, more be uses, more hospitals, it up. if we had more roads, more be okay.more hospitals, it up. if we had more roads, more be okay. bute hospitals, it up. if we had more roads, more be okay. bute hcourse;, it up. if we had more roads, more be okay. bute h course we don't. >> yeah, i mean, you're talking about city the size of about a city the size of edinburgh coming and settling in the uk every year. and you're right, it is the infrastructure, the strain on because the strain on that, because those local authorities who also say that they don't have the budgets to provide more in the way of affordable housing. update their roads network provide the gp and health care provision and schools provision for these people say they are buckling under the increase of people . people. >> bev turner 670,000 people. right? please let's not normalise these figures. it's eye—watering where are 672,000

people going to live this year? >> well, that is the size of the population of cambridge . so population of cambridge. so imagine all of those houses in cambridge . they we need those to cambridge. they we need those to house all of these people. simon dunkirk is also here with us, former labour mp. it would be even worse , wouldn't it, under even worse, wouldn't it, under labouh even worse, wouldn't it, under labour. you let everybody labour. you just let everybody else in. simon i don't think it would be any better under labouh >>i labouh >> i think you're exactly right. and the truth of the matter is we've lost control of our borders. i think we've lost control of law and order, and i think we're losing control of our national identity. think our national identity. i think that's the situation. >> well, that's happening because poor political because of poor political leadership and what we are seeing is students coming here, far too many students coming into britain simply to create jobs for left wing lecturers. that's the reality of it. create well—paid jobs for left wing lecturers in universities , lecturers in universities, student dependents are allowed to come here. there's no reason for that at all. we're encouraging people to come here on work permits when really what we should be doing is getting

the economically inactive back into work and doing these jobs. and we're also letting thousands upon thousands of illegal immigrants come into the country. what we're doing as well, the social consequences of all this is that we're importing hate, hate speech . we're hate, hate speech. we're importing machete culture from africa and we're importing a total disrespect for our military and police. these are the social consequences of these policies . policies. >> why aren't more of your friends and colleagues on the left willing to these things ? >> well, 7- >> well, i ? >> well, i think they have a metropolitan labour london view of the world. that's where keir starmer comes from. if you look at the figures, most of the asylum seekers , illegal asylum seekers, illegal immigrants that come into the country don't end up in north london. they placed in rochdale, they placed in the north—east, they placed in the north—east, they placed in liverpool . they they placed in liverpool. they don't have to live with the consequences of our identity being broken down in this way.

they have a very rosy, rose tinted view of what the country is like because they very much based in central london. >> i mean, many on the left, they don't really believe in borders. do they know the likes of john mcdonnell? made of john mcdonnell? he's made remarks past about how remarks in the past about how actually , you know, actually, you know, having having of widespread having sort of widespread immigration is a moral virtue. >> absolutely . and the left >> yes, absolutely. and the left and the far left still dominate the parliamentary labour party, i'm afraid to say. so it won't get any better under a labour government. the public are going to be in a real quandary idea that we have one planet. >> what is, isn't it? >> this is what it is, isn't it? it's a one planet ethos. we have to our resources with the to share our resources with the world. what lot of the world. that's what a lot of the younger generation collectivism feel collectivism, feel like that collectivism, the individual disappeared from individual has disappeared from the just mark, just the conversation just mark, just let us know a little bit more about those figures on on students that simon was talking about what simon said there was very interesting because in terms visas, 378,000 terms of student visas, 378,000 student visas were granted in the year to june , up from

the year to june, up from 320,000in the previous year. >> now 96,000, according to the office for national statistics, 96,000 of those visas were to dependents. however for the home office we mentioned before , they office we mentioned before, they put their own statistics out and their figure actually shows even more in the way of visas that were handed out to dependents. 154,000 visas that were given to the dependents of students. and the dependents of students. and the vast majority of those students who are taking the dependent over are from two countries, nigeria and india. >> that was going to be my second question. do we know? so we've got an influx of students from nigeria and india who are bringing their family members with them . and there's no with them. and there's no suggestion necessarily that they don't want to study and they don't want to study and they don't want. >> well, there is. >> well, there is. >> well, there is. >> well , okay, people i've >> well, okay, people i've spoken to have that , you spoken to have said that, you know, student visa is know, the student visa system is being those that want being scammed by those that want to an easy route into the uk.

>> they apply for a course that they might attend. they probably won't attend in any sort of dedicated and meaningful way, but it's a route to get your family in. so is that across you take your family? >> is that what james cleverly is hinting at then, because he's made a statement this morning, hasn't he, saying we need to check that system isn't check that this system isn't being abused? check that this system isn't beiiyes,)used? check that this system isn't beiiyes, the d? check that this system isn't beiiyes, the home office has been >> yes, the home office has been concerned some time that the concerned for some time that the system is being abused and that's announced that's why they have announced a tightening of the way in which that student visa system operates to ensure the that people just can't bring in many of their dependent s over. but that's not going to kick in until january of next year. so that's why it's obviously not figured . in these figures. and figured. in these figures. and then come our next set of figures, probably not really going to impact them either on work visas, which is interesting. also as well, 322,000 work visas were issued up from 198,000 the year before.

so that's gone up very significantly. and the main reason for that is because of the health visa scheme, that emergency scheme that was introduced to try to get more people into the nhs and social care there. the vast majority of those that are coming over labour's yvette cooper shadow home secretary has said that look, this is just an absolute glaring example of the government's failure to recruit and train people here in the uk to take on those roles . to take on those roles. >> i'd like to think of something cheerful to say fellas , but as usual, it's quite hard to give you one more that will cheer our viewers go on. >> it won't actually. we've got the number of asylum seekers staying in hotels has risen again. oh, no, it's gone up 10,000 from when rishi sunak said that he wanted to stop asylum seekers. the overall reliance on hotels and get them into more purpose built accommodation . now at 56,000 accommodation. now at 56,000 asylum seekers being held or accommodated in hotels across

the country, if the political establishment don't get a handle on this one, then not next year. >> but in 5 to 10 years time, they're for in a shock. >> yeah, absolutely. simon danchuk, mark white, thank you so much. right. up next, incompetent politicians , incompetent politicians, inconsistent science and family death threats. it's been a busy week in the covid inquiry. mark and i have quite strong opinions on this. >> indeed, you won't want to miss it. sparks will fly. you're watching britain's newsroom on .

isabel, monday to thursdays from six till 930 . six till 930. >> very good morning. it's 1124. >> very good morning. it's1124. you with britain's newsroom on gb news with mark dolan in for andrew pierce and bev turner. >> lovely to have your company. it's been a busy week at the covid inquiry with professor chris whitty. sir patrick vallance and jonathan van—tam giving evidence. >> let's take a look. >> let's take a look. >> i was very aware that we essentially had two different things. we were trying to balance the risk of going too early, in which case you get all the damages from this with actually fairly minimal impact on the epidemic. and the risk of going too late in which case you get all the problems of the pandemic running away. now, as we, i'm sure, come to on my view is with the benefit of hindsight, we went a bit too late on the first wave and well , late on the first wave and well, we didn't see it before it was

announced. >> and i think others in the cabinet office have also said they didn't see it before it was formulated as a policy. so we weren't in the run up weren't involved in the run up to it. so i think it would have been very obvious to anyone that this was likely to cause an well, inevitably would cause an increase in transmission risk. and i think that would have been known by ministers . well, i known by ministers. well, i think i'm right in saying that the prime minister at the time gave up science when he was 15, and i think he'd be the first to admit it wasn't his forte. and that he did struggle with some of the concepts and we did need to repeat them often where i think it finally got to me was the fact that i might have or i might have expected that if a crisis happened , this was my crisis happened, this was my responsibility to bear that kind of workload . and i did not of workload. and i did not expect my family to be threatened with having their

throats cut. i did not expect the police to have to say, will you move out in the middle of the night, in the middle of the evening? will you move out for a few days? while we look at this and potentially make some arrests? >> jonathan van—tam there tough. i'm sorry . >> jonathan van—tam there tough. i'm sorry. if you're in public life and you're making decisions which are affecting people's lives and people's families and their livelihoods and mental their livelihoods and the mental health teenagers, you health of their teenagers, you are to get some flak. i'm are going to get some flak. i'm sorry and not relevant to sorry. and it's not relevant to the inquiry the covid inquiry >> don't think we can be seen >> i don't think we can be seen to consider it acceptable condoning it that he's had death threats, family have been threats, his family have been threatened. line is threatened. the bottom line is that how for public that that's how it is for public figures days. think it's figures these days. i think it's a thing. my heart a really bad thing. my heart goes him and his family, goes out to him and his family, but my heart doesn't go out to these revisionist scientists who are all of us are trying to gaslight all of us by suggesting that lockdowns were effective, that they were highly effective, that they saved . look we've saved lives. look at us. we've got a destroyed economy. we've got a destroyed economy. we've got society. a got a divided society. a generation damaged generation of damaged kids, nothing to show for it, i'm afraid. there are other places in america. florida unlocked a

year and a half before california comparable death rate from covid. what bothers me about this inquiry is that i think it was the biggest horlicks in history. i think they made a complete mess up of they made a complete mess up of the whole thing and yet this inquiry is there just to cover backsides and suggest that there's nothing to see here. we did all the right things. >> be still my beating heart mark dolan because of course the thing is what we to thing is what we need to understand is motivation behind these decisions. and it seems to be on idea that be predicated on the idea that lockdown are a good idea lockdown downs are a good idea and lockdowns, you better get used to it because we're going to have in the future. the to have them in the future. the government says stay home. government says stay at home. you're be expected to. you're going to be expected to. it's even questioning the it's not even questioning the cost benefit of cost benefit analysis of lockdowns the lockdowns and all of the conclusions on each of these interview sessions is seem to lead to why didn't you lock down harder earlier sooner ? not harder earlier sooner? not whether you should have locked down at all. i'm motivation. i'm sorry , mark. sorry, mark. >> your motivation. well you have to wonder, don't you? i mean, the issue you've got is

you've got a generation of politicians and scientists who are marking their own homework. you know, where are the likes of carl heneghan who called out the irregularities, the madness of these policies during the pandemic? well, of course, he was demonised and cancelled like so and he actually gave so many. and he actually gave evidence covid inquiry evidence to the covid inquiry and treated with and was treated with a completely different tone of interviewing everybody else. >> jonathan van—tam yesterday setting out his credentials, didn't say he works for didn't say that he works for moderna. that not moderna. why is that not relevant? that's very relevant. olivia utley is our political correspondent at westminster. she's going to give the she's going to give us the latest on inquiry, perhaps latest on the inquiry, perhaps with little less emotion. with a little less emotion. olivia, what's going at the olivia, what's going on at the inquiry today? olivia, what's going on at the inq welloday? olivia, what's going on at the inq well well, it's been a very >> well well, it's been a very difficult week. as you mentioned there, for rishi sunak in particular. actually, there's been a lot of criticism of the eat out to help out scheme . eat out to help out scheme. patrick vallance called it the eat out to help out the virus scheme. all three scientists but chris whitty jonathan van—tam and patrick vallance all said that they weren't consulted . now

that they weren't consulted. now of course ministers argue that the reason that science sites are there is to advise them and then ministers are allowed to obviously make up their own minds . that said, the scientists minds. that said, the scientists say how can they reach a legitimate, evidence based decision if the scientists weren't even asked in the first place? today we're hearing from the chief scientific adviser , the chief scientific adviser, brazier angela mclean . she brazier angela mclean. she called rishi sunak dr. death. she says something which i can't repeat on tv about carl heneghan that lockdown sceptic science lists who mark dolan mentioned there. so all in all, it looks like it's set to be sort of more of the same from the covid inquiry today with the evidence from angela mclean next week , from angela mclean next week, we're expecting hear from we're expecting to hear from politicians . we're to politicians. we're expected to hear hancock, sajid hear from matt hancock, sajid javid, khan . so we should javid, sadiq khan. so we should be expecting something a little bit different next week , perhaps bit different next week, perhaps more the economic more about the economic consideration batus and less about the science. but this week is all about the science. we're heanng is all about the science. we're hearing from all of the

scientists and they all have something pretty similar to, say , that a little bit like , funny that a little bit like the last two years. >> three years, wasn't it? thank you very much, olivia. they all had things say. well, had similar things to say. well, indeed, the indeed, that's. that's the issue, we've to issue, isn't it? we've got to trust the science. there's no such thing as the science. >> any that >> don't trust any policy that is open to debate. if is not open to debate. if lockdowns are such a good idea, if vaccine mandates are such a good then would good idea, then you would happily debate but of happily debate them. but of course you debate them. happily debate them. but of courwere u debate them. happily debate them. but of courwere chucked debate them. happily debate them. but of courwere chucked offebate them. happily debate them. but of courwere chucked off twitter1em. happily debate them. but of courwere chucked off twitter and you were chucked off twitter and often you'd lose your career for speaking out against them because bad person. because you were a bad person. it is worth pointing out the government and the authorities are clear that lockdowns vaccine mandates many, many lives. mandates save many, many lives. thatis mandates save many, many lives. that is , well, a strong view. that is, well, a strong view. i mean, that's the official line. i mean, that's the majority view. when we say in science , view. when we say in science, are we are we in the minority? i think we probably are. >> if you ask people who >> i think if you ask people who believe those issues to show you their they can't. and their figures, they can't. and that's how i think we have to have this conversation because it is not well said. >> well, you and i feel gaslit

about this. i think it's complete madness. yesterday's autumn statement demonstrates the impact of attempt to stop the impact of an attempt to stop a respiratory virus, which is a broken economy. if that's not going to cost more lives, then i can't help you with that. if a waiting list of 7.6 million people on the nhs caused by lockdowns is not going to cost lives, i can't help you. i'm half £1 trillion that was spent on the pandemic , which we're now on the pandemic, which we're now trying to claw back, which is why have the inflation why we now have the inflation and high and we now have the high interest rates. >> think these issues are >> don't think these issues are no panic brexit, is it not? >> is it brexit? >> is it brexit? >> nothing do with brexit. >> a quick one though, before the news, because thompson's waiting. not a patient waiting. she's not a patient person nature. will the truth person by nature. will the truth ever out? >> think we have to keep >> i think we just have to keep banging mark whenever >> i think we just have to keep barcan. mark whenever >> i think we just have to keep barcan. those mark whenever >> i think we just have to keep barcan. those of mark whenever >> i think we just have to keep barcan. those of usnark whenever >> i think we just have to keep barcan. those of us who whenever >> i think we just have to keep barcan. those of us who saw1ever >> i think we just have to keep barcan. those of us who saw itver we can. those of us who saw it differently from the start, we need the opportunity to say in pubuc need the opportunity to say in public they have always public that they have always been sides to this story been two sides to this story because important because it's too important to ignore. >> tm t- t go. still to come, >> there you go. still to come, backing british business. this jeremy hunt unveiled what he called the country's biggest ever tax cuts. will

ever business tax cuts. but will it britain growing ? it get britain growing? >> that much, much more >> that and much, much more after impatient and after the very impatient and wonderful tamsin roberts . wonderful tamsin roberts. patiently waiting . patiently waiting. >> thanks very much, bev. here are the headlines at 1132. net migration to the uk was up in 2022, although new figures show a downward trend to june this yeah a downward trend to june this year, according to the office for national statistics, a record was hit in december with 745,000 arrivals. that's forecast to drop to just over 670,000in the year to june. most estimates suggest immigration is slowing, while the number of people leaving the uk is going up people leaving the uk is going ”p by people leaving the uk is going up by the timing of the next election had no impact on the decision to cut taxes, according to the chancellor, jeremy hunt used the autumn statement yesterday to announce cuts to national insurance rates, which will save someone earning

£35,000 more than £450 a year. he said. the economy has defied the odds and that a recession had been avoided . well, despite had been avoided. well, despite those tax cuts, energy bills are expected to rise after the energy regulator announced a 5% increase to the price cap from january, the average household will pay around £94 more over the course of a year. ofgem will pay around £94 more over the course of a year . ofgem says the course of a year. ofgem says the course of a year. ofgem says the increase is driven almost entirely by market instability and global events like the war in ukraine. the foreign secretary is visiting israel amid uncertainty about when a pause in the war with hamas will begin. the agreement for a four day ceasefire in gaza appears to have been delayed , a senior have been delayed, a senior israeli official said it would not take effect before friday, a day later than originally expected . and under the planned expected. and under the planned agreement, hamas will release 50 israeli hostages in exchange for 150 palestinian prisoners . those

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and people that i knew had dewbs & co weeknights from . six & co weeknights from. six >> it's coming up to 1140. you're watching britain's newsroom on gb news. with me , newsroom on gb news. with me, mark dolan in for the brilliant andrew pierce and bev turner. >> so the full public reaction to the chancellor's autumn statement to seen . but statement is yet to be seen. but gb news presenter pip tomson is in town of dudley in the red wall town of dudley to speak to locals, see if jeremy hunt has done enough to retain the tory vote the next

retain the tory vote at the next election. it a little bit? is election. is it a little bit? is it stereotyping to do dudley in that accent? mark yes , you've that accent? mark yes, you've offended people you're offended many people and you're about cancelled. pip, how about to be cancelled. pip, how is the reception down in dudley this morning? >> bev you are so predictable . >> bev you are so predictable. how are you? all right today, both of how are you? >> great. listen there. not too great here in dudley town centre really, when it comes to reacting to the chancellor's autumn statement. i can't say they feel like they've had much of an early christmas present. but let me just tell you about dudley town centre because it's one of the birthplaces of the industrial revolution in dudley. it's castle, its it's famous for its castle, its zoo, it's got a priory, it's got a museum . it should be thriving. a museum. it should be thriving. say locals here. but like many town centres, it really isn't. now this family butchers has been going for over 30 years. years. this is pete, who's worked in the family business all this time. pete do you mind if we just interrupt for a

second? sorry what did you make, first of all, about what the chancellor said is it a bit of a pre—election giveaway? is he trying to get your vote ? trying to get your vote? >> i think it is, yes. yeah quite honestly, i do. yeah >> was there anything in it for you ? you? >>a you? >> a little bit . but whether >> a little bit. but whether it's enough , we like to see. it's enough, we like to see. yeah. what did you like then . yeah. what did you like then. well, there's a reduction in the national insurance contributions . but i mean, apart from that, that's not coming through till april . so you've been telling me april. so you've been telling me about about dudley and how it's changed and how you've seen it. >> alter now it's a red wall seat. it was a big swing towards the tories in 2019. do you think it's going to go red again ? when it's going to go red again? when the election happened next year , the election happened next year, which could be may then? yeah, i think i think there's a it will be very, very close . be very, very close. >> i think it might swing back the other way, quite honestly ,

the other way, quite honestly, from what from what i gather from what from what i gather from the customers , they want from the customers, they want change. yeah. >> and what's dudley like these days? how have you seen it? how have you seen it? alter i think you were telling me about how many butchers used to be, many butchers there used to be, and now you're one of the only ones the we came here in 1990 when fifth generation and there was 11 butchers in the town when we came . we came. >> we came. >> and there's only two left now. so really? yeah. so and the market i've just been out there . market i've just been out there. >> it operates six days a week . >> it operates six days a week. yeah. is it as busy as it used to be? no. >> no way. no way. nowhere near. >> no way. no way. nowhere near. >> okay. >> okay. >> no . >> no. >> no. >> well, pete, thanks very much. i think one of the problems is, is there's so many roadworks that people actually have trouble getting into the town. and then they say there's nowhere either. but nowhere to park either. but there a metro station that's there is a metro station that's being revamped and there's a bus station. sorry, that's being revamped and a metro station that being so that that is being built. so that

might . right, guys, while might help. right, guys, while i'm here, go on then. what's your order? >> oh, well, i know. what. go on, mark. know what you on, mark. you know what you want, yeah, want, don't you? yeah, i'm a t—bone, man . t—bone, man. >> and that's not gossip . >> and that's not gossip. >> and that's not gossip. >> t—bone. pete . no, they >> t—bone. pete. no, they haven't got it. i couldn't tell because i don't eat meat. this is not the best job for me today i >> -- >> oh, i can't believe we sent the veggies in to the butchers in dudley. just get me some lovely high quality sausages. pip, that would be lovely for my weekend breakfast post. thank you so much . we've got carole you so much. we've got carole malone and sam lister in the studio with us now here. carole, just reflect a little bit on that. what sam, what pip says there about about the difficulty of getting into town centres and where you park your car. that is stopping a lot of people shopping isn't it? yeah, i think, i think it probably is. >> it's i didn't think you were going to ask about that. going to ask me about that. i haven't thought about it. yeah, i you know, i put off i mean it is you know, i put off going into central london because what i can't find a space. makes me anxious

space. it makes me anxious and to want to a space, i can't to want to find a space, i can't work the app. and three, when i see how much costs, i nearly see how much it costs, i nearly faint it's something faint because it's something like hour some parts like £10 an hour in some parts of london. so, you know, that's what i around the country. so yeah, it stops people yeah, i think it stops people going into town because it's because. going into town because it's becokay, northern. i'm >> okay, you're northern. i'm northern. northern we >> okay, you're northern. i'm norremember northern we >> okay, you're northern. i'm norremember growingzrn we >> okay, you're northern. i'm norremember growing up we >> okay, you're northern. i'm norremember growing up towns all remember growing up in towns where could get in car. where you could get in your car. you could the city, you you could drive to the city, you could park your car. and clearly you still you can't even do that outside of london any more easily. i think easily. sam no, and i think carol point carol makes a good point actually, about apps. actually, about the apps. >> a of people find that. so >> a lot of people find that. so even do find the space, even if you do find the space, you can't actually find a way to pay you can't actually find a way to pay for it. but i think also we have remember, you know, the have to remember, you know, the rise of supermarkets put the rise of supermarkets has put the kibosh markets. traditional kibosh on markets. traditional markets and doncaster, where i'm from, it's proper town, from, it's a proper market town, but market is sadly not but that market is sadly not what even ten what it used to be even ten years and this is what you years ago. and this is what you have when you've got competition from like aldi and tesco from places like aldi and tesco and do we just and what have you. do we just accept it. >> always a park as well. >> always get a park as well. >> always get a park as well. >> just have to accept >> do we just have to accept that we're in a of change that we're in a period of change here, maybe we all

here, aren't we? maybe we all sound luddites saying we sound like luddites saying we shouldn't move on people shouldn't move on and people just press button and just want to press a button and order sausages to deliver order their sausages to deliver on their doorstep. >> struggling >> and everyone's struggling financially. they? financially. carol aren't they? and that and they will go for that cheapest meat, cheapest piece of meat, that cheapest piece of meat, that cheapest will cheapest chicken, and that will be supermarket. be in a supermarket. >> i was going to that >> i was going to say that i really shop locally where really try to shop locally where i sometimes very i live, but it's sometimes very difficult go, how difficult because i go, how much? think no, much? yeah. and i think no, yeah, but i understand yeah, yeah. but i understand that because that their cost too, because they pay their rent and they have to pay their rent and you london, wherever you know, in london, wherever you know, in london, wherever you or you are, within the outskirts or in it's really in the middle, it's really expensive. feel. but expensive. so i feel. but i'm just to pay, know, just not going to pay, you know, another just not going to pay, you know, anoyou're unusual in that you're >> you're unusual in that you're quite buoyant about yesterday's autumn why. >> 9 know, i know it's >> i mean, i know, i know it's not you know, you know, we're >> i mean, i know, i know it's not in u know, you know, we're >> i mean, i know, i know it's not in clover,, you know, we're >> i mean, i know, i know it's not in clover,, you kno know, re not in clover, but, you know, remember this time, remember last year at this time, the england said we were the bank of england said we were on the verge two year on the verge of a two year recession. you we had them recession. you know, we had them saying had what saying that we had we had what his he was going his name sunak said he was going to increase national to have to increase national insurance and insurance hugely savagely and here a position where insurance hugely savagely and here he's a position where insurance hugely savagely and here he's cutting position where insurance hugely savagely and here he's cutting £0.02n where insurance hugely savagely and here he's cutting £0.02 off here insurance hugely savagely and here he's cutting £0.02 off and he's he's cutting £0.02 off and it's mean someone on an it's going to mean someone on an average wage is going to save about is not about £450 a year, which is not bad. he's he's he's bad. you know he's he's he's trying bolster the economy trying to bolster the economy and which which and create growth which which i think is a really good thing.

and i think it's the message of this. it's the signals this budget is putting out , which are budget is putting out, which are really important because what he's saying is we're going back to the kind of tories and the tories that cut taxes. that's that's famous for. that's what we're famous for. that's what we're going to do. and he's done that. and, you know, taken the know, this has taken the election fight to keir starmer in a way it hasn't before because starmer has no policy on taxes. if i don't know what his policy policy is on anything and he could be in power within the next year, but i think what he's doing spacing them out doing is he's spacing them out in a way that so done in a way that so he's done the national this time. in a way that so he's done the natidisappointed this time. in a way that so he's done the natidisappointed tididn'tie. i'm disappointed he didn't do inheritance tax. i'm disappointed that he do disappointed that he didn't do the tax . but i think the tourist tax. but i think he's going to income tax in he's going to do income tax in march. he's probably march. and i think he's probably going to tackle those other things in march as well. so that but think i think the national but i think i think the national psyche will be boosted slightly by this. and i read one line today from a lady, a mum, who said, oh, this means i can take my family on holiday this year. we forget that that's it takes a few hundred extra quid and a

family go on holiday. yeah. family can go on holiday. yeah. so i think for that really important. >> well, let's combine our last two which is much two issues, which is how much money and and money we've got and food and talk about christmas dinner, sam because isn't there a story about that how about the fact that how many people quarter of people have people a quarter of people have a row with their families about how to cook christmas dinner? i'm more than i'm surprised it's not more than 25. well, i just thought it's one person family gets one person in the family gets kind facto nominated and kind of de facto nominated and then you're stuck with it , then you're stuck with it, aren't you? >> everyone everyone >> and everyone isn't everyone else they're not else just grateful they're not doing can't understand why doing it? i can't understand why you'd a you your you'd have a do you cook your christmas dinner? yeah. yeah. my grandma my mum, grandma used to cook it. my mum, who's probably watching, tried cooking it for a couple of years, it. i. years, hated it. and i. i stepped breach and stepped into the breach and i actually love it. i find actually really love it. i find it quite relaxing, doing the it quite relaxing, doing all the prep all put on the prep and get all put on the music. >> a little of a glass of music. >> aontle of a glass of music. >> aon the of a glass of music. >> aon the go.f a glass of music. >> aon the go. keith ass of music. >> aon the go. keith floyd wine on the go. keith floyd style. exactly wine on the go. keith floyd style. exacgot to be slightly >> you've got to be slightly tipsy when do christmas tipsy when you do the christmas dinner, doesn't dinner, otherwise it doesn't count. else count. you know, everybody else should just be grateful. they shouldn't about shouldn't be any worrying about christmas dinner. >> this says 26% of people admit they to juggle cooking they struggle to juggle cooking with entertaining what with entertaining guests. what they blotto by

they mean is they're blotto by ten in the morning and so you can't be bothered. i mean, i've been that i think, oh, i don't care about the dinner. no, because i've a chocolate and champagne i'm so the champagne and i'm fine. so the big the christmas big thing with the christmas dinner , well, veg very important. >> firstly, it's timing. so i learnt from delia smith. it's like your spuds parboiled like get your spuds parboiled in advance , you get advance, you know, get the turkey stuffed in advance, that kind you've got to kind of thing. so you've got to sort the day and sort of schedule the day and then it. but then you'll enjoy it. but vegetables, you're very passionate that. see passionate about that. you see some families like that, vegetables dente. some families like that, vegitables dente. some families like that, vegi likees dente. some families like that, vegi like mineiente. some families like that, vegi like mine tote. some families like that, vegi like mine to mush. okay, so >> i like mine to mush. okay, so i like my brussels sprouts until they're almost fibrous liquid . they're almost fibrous liquid. quite. you know, i can't be if my sprout is hard, i can't eat it. if my carrot is hard. see a doctor about that? >> i can't eat. >>— >> i can't eat. >> and i know you're the same. you like a of a mush. yeah, you like a bit of a mush. yeah, i a careful show. i like a careful family show. >> going, folks ? >> where's this going, folks? but. but the veggies , they are but. but the veggies, they are overlooked often, aren't they ? overlooked often, aren't they? >> my favourite bit. you've got to have, like, a roast parsnip. otherwise it's not christmas. no. on no. >> i can't be doing with mushy

vegetables. right. can we talk about people falling asleep at work, sam? well i was saying to carol earlier, i think i may well fall asleep at today well fall asleep at work today after statement. >> pretty pretty on >> i'm pretty pretty much on the verge asleep. but 20% verge of falling asleep. but 20% of people are apparently asleep. >> one to fall asleep at work. >> one to fall asleep at work. >> why buy sympathies? >> why buy sympathies? >> what are we doing wrong? >> what are we doing wrong? >> well, actually that >> well, it says actually that actually because people actually it is because people are penguin style sleepers, anxious penguins. there's a category of sleepers, anxious penguins. i think i am one of these where you . you wake up a these where you. you wake up a lot in the night. so you never get that proper night's sleep. and feel very tired the and then you feel very tired the next and it talks about how next day and it talks about how many people sleeping many people rely on sleeping tablets of tablets and all that kind of stuff. so actually, mean, stuff. so actually, i mean, you know, might they're know, you might think they're a bit it's just bit lazy, but actually it's just people sleep at night people who can't sleep at night as i say out i've had to as i say out there, i've had to keep her awake. as i say out there, i've had to keei'veer awake. as i say out there, i've had to keei'veer awake keep talking to >> i've had to keep talking to her on the verge >> i've had to keep talking to he dropping on the verge >> i've had to keep talking to he dropping off. on the verge of dropping off. >> being at primary >> i remember being at primary school put down for school and we were put down for a mid—morning. school and we were put down for a yeah,d—morning. school and we were put down for a yeah, it'srorning. school and we were put down for a yeah, it's very1g. school and we were put down for a yeah, it's very civilised. >> yeah, it's very civilised. >> yeah, it's very civilised. >> workplaces should >> i think workplaces should have booth you >> i think workplaces should hav> i think workplaces should hav> i think workplaces should hav> i think workplaces should hav> when to, when i used >> when i used to, when i used to be in office a lot,

to be in the office a lot, i used put my head at used to put my head down at lunchtime. that on lunchtime. i used to do that on the and i do it at home the desk and i do it at home every 40 minutes every day. i have 40 minutes where i have a bit of a sandwich and i have shut eye and then and i have a shut eye and then i'm i go on till later, i'm fine. i go on till later, much later day. much later in the day. >> i'm fine. but we're >> i'm fine. yeah, but we're clearly need clearly not. we need to encourage better sleep habits, don't of the don't we? that's part of the problem. think you know problem. and i think you know what? before what? it's a lot of this before you i bet you're you go to bed. i bet you're really good with your sleep hygiene, you? really good with your sleep hyg i zne, you? really good with your sleep hyglzne, try. you? really good with your sleep hyglzne, try. butj? really good with your sleep hyglzne, try. but yeah, we >> i try. i try. but yeah, we sort of think it's a good sort of think that it's a good thing not sleep. you're very thing to not sleep. you're very proud of how little sleep you've had, but i'm afraid being serious things serious for a second, things like are linked to not like dementia are linked to not getting sleep. try and getting enough sleep. so try and getting enough sleep. so try and get is the headline. >> yeah. yeah absolutely. bullying what's bullying teachers. carol, what's going on? this is teachers as an academy. >> doing this. hang on. academy. >> um, doing this. hang on. academy. >> um, it'soing this. hang on. academy. >> um, it's ang this. hang on. academy. >> um, it's a story s. hang on. academy. >> um, it's a story thatang on. okay um, it's a story that teachers at secondary school teachers at a secondary school andifs teachers at a secondary school and it's called the oasis academy in the isle of sheppey in kent. they've on strike in kent. they've gone on strike now the headline says, teachers walk out of a homophobia, bullying and racism , but it's by bullying and racism, but it's by the pupils. so they're the ones being bullied by the by the pupils and a shout out or whatever. read this, whatever. and when i read this, i thinking, well, surely i kept on thinking, well, surely this with teachers .

this is a failing with teachers. this is, know, if you're if this is, you know, if you're if you're being bullied by a kid, i'm entirely . you're being bullied by a kid, i'm entirely. sure you i'm not entirely. sure you should be in charge of a classroom. frankly and if you're allowing your the children of your homophobic, your class to be homophobic, well, then you're not doing your your class to be homophobic, welproperly.»u're not doing your your class to be homophobic, welproperly. you'reyt doing your job properly. you're not teaching them about what homophobia and what it means. homophobia is and what it means. so on so but they've all gone out on strike. is a school strike. and this is a school that ofsted already had had had had was it was one of the worst ratings in the whole thing. so going strike is not doing going on strike is not doing them not them any good and certainly not doing good. and doing the school any good. and it's the kids any it's not doing the kids any good. the puppeteer not good. and the puppeteer not ready, not respectful, not safe. so they like in so that's what they feel like in school with these kids. so they've actually the teachers have actually gone outside with placards strike placards sam and gone on strike with to children with messages to the children about behaviour . about their behaviour. >> this is absolutely ludicrous. it's the adults blaming children for their behaviour. the adults should be running a tight enough ship, but the children are behaving. >> but isn't that because society's values are imploding and the poor old teachers are having to sort of face it at the coalface? >> they have to you know, they

are the adult. they are the person in control. they should be in control of that classroom. um, but they're not responsible for up every morning. >> i mean, i wonder whether it's families society issue. families or wider society issue. >> so, you >> i do think so, because you look at schools like katharine birbalsingh, look at schools like katharine birbé standards. look at schools like katharine birbéstandards. she has kids high standards. she has kids from deprived backgrounds. from very deprived backgrounds. she nonsense she doesn't take any nonsense about , you know, behaviour . about no, you know, behaviour. >> we had a story on here a couple of weeks ago about a school teachers creating hell, about fact that the school about the fact that the school governors had wanted to bring in a rule where if kids didn't bnng a rule where if kids didn't bring a pen into class, they had to get detention. they thought this archaic. the this was archaic. this is the result kind of teaching result of that kind of teaching and those kind of rules where, you know, you don't give kids any tell any boundaries, you don't tell them and wrong. any boundaries, you don't tell thenis and wrong. any boundaries, you don't tell thenis what and wrong. any boundaries, you don't tell thenis what happens. wrong. this is what happens. >> it's a lack of leadership as well schools, it? it's well in schools, isn't it? it's a of leadership, a terrible lack of leadership, and schools and it's about schools not knowing . and i think teachers knowing. and i think teachers not knowing what punishments they can dish out. is it sufficient just to give a detention? well, if child detention? well, if the child doesn't show up for detention, what then? you get what do you do then? you get your in the parents

your parents in the parents don't that is don't care. then that child is a law themselves. law unto themselves. unfortunately law unto themselves. u damningely law unto themselves. u damning indictment. a damning indictment. >> just wonder, though, what's >> i just wonder, though, what's happening in classrooms. i agree that would that high standards would be good, but think society good, but i think that society is really do. and is in trouble. i really do. and i young are of i think young people are kind of becoming control . well, becoming out of control. well, they're of themselves . they're very full of themselves. they're spoilt and they they're spoilt rotten, and they think they're owed something. well, they're not. well, i'm afraid they're not. >> not all young people, >> but not all young people, because tom because next we've got tom harwood carver , and harwood and emily carver, and they're not long out angels . they're not long out angels. good afternoon. britain is going to be next. what have you got on the show, guys? thank you. >> yes. we're not quite children . anymore. people ish, . not anymore. young people ish, i suppose. it depends on your definition, doesn't it? >> i mean, could left >> i mean, i could have left school if it had school decades ago if it had beenin school decades ago if it had been in previous generations. but no, we're going to be talking about one story talking about one big story today , some other bits and bobs. today, some other bits and bobs. but the big story is, of course, migration , not just the numbers migration, not just the numbers for this year, but the numbers that have been revised for last yeah >> yes, it's quite extraordinary . i think that is the big story. the ons thought the number was

much lower than it actually in fact, was 745,000 net migration last year. net migration now in the 600,000. it is quite extraordinary . this the 600,000. it is quite extraordinary. this is a conservative government that was put in power arguably to get that number lower and indeed that number lower and indeed that revised number for last year up by over 100,000. >> that it, i think, is the is the deep story today. do we know who's coming into this country? can we count ? who's coming into this country? can we count? and who's coming into this country? can we count ? and what who's coming into this country? can we count? and what on earth is the government doing with its numbers? might this year's numbers? might this year's number be revised? we'll be digging into all of those stories and more coming up. of course , on the show on. good course, on the show on. good afternoon , britain. a brand new afternoon, britain. a brand new show here on gb news. we'll be getting to that just after the weather. >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. with me, annie, from the met office. it'll be another mild and cloudy day many southern areas , but day for many southern areas, but we to see a shift we will start to see a shift from we get much from the north as we get much colder air introduced. that's because cold front is because this cold front is finally sinking southwards . it's

finally sinking southwards. it's been lingering the north been lingering across the north over the days, but over the past few days, but behind it we've got significantly colder air. so across scotland, it will start to quite chilly through to feel quite chilly through this afternoon. already starting to snow showers falling to see some snow showers falling over hills to the south, over the hills to the south, though, quite a different story . though, quite a different story. cloudy fairly mild . some cloudy and fairly mild. some sunshine here and there poking through and temperatures similar to yesterday here around 12 or 13 degrees, just above average for the time of year. but overnight is when we start to see that really chilly feel starting to become a bit more dominant. there'll be a bit of rain for a time across southern areas as that front does clear through more through and quite a lot more cloud here for cloud around overnight here for a time. but by morning everywhere we'll be in that much colder air. there's still quite a of around across the a lot of cloud around across the country some really rather country and some really rather strong winds, particularly over the , across north sea the north sea, across north sea coast will keep us frost coast that will keep us frost free, but it will be a chillier start tomorrow . we'll continue start tomorrow. we'll continue to those snow showers to see those snow showers falling across the of falling across the hills of scotland . but by large, scotland. but by and large, a fairly dry day for most areas,

although couldn't rule out a although you couldn't rule out a shower across the west now shower across the far west now and there'll still be a and again, there'll still be a good amount of sunshine through friday. and that will make for some overnight on some clear skies overnight on friday a chilly feel friday night. so a chilly feel in the afternoon, but on saturday, a hard frost for many

>> good afternoon. britain it's 12:00 on thursday, the 23rd of

november. >> migration backlash. rishi sunak faces revolt from his own mps as net migration remains at record high levels. this comes as our own nigel farage faced accusations of being anti immigration and anti black in the jungle. finally, your anti immigrants . immigrants. >> and who told you that? >> and who told you that? >> oh, the internet told on well, there we are then. >> it must be true. it must be true. it be. it must be true. >> okay. but then why don't black people like him? >> you'd be amazed. they do. you'd nigel, you you'd be amazed, nigel, if you highest tax burden since world war ii or the biggest tax cuts in history, can these both sentences be true? >> well , our sentences be true? >> well, our budget reaction continues as political earthquake in the netherlands and anti—islam politician geert wilders storms to a shock victory in the dutch elections is more anti eu sentiment spreading across europe .