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to stop lighting up the wembley arch in soledar charity with causesis arch in soledar charity with causes is that the right decision or . causes is that the right decision or. not causes is that the right decision or . not yes, causes is that the right decision or. not yes, indeed . decision or. not yes, indeed. thatis decision or. not yes, indeed. that is all to come in the next houn that is all to come in the next hour. but before we cross live to our debate, let's get stuck into tonight's latest news headunes. headlines. >> i'm theo chikomba in the newsroom is just gone. 6:00 police have confirmed a five year old girl is among the victims of a stabbing in dublin. she was one of five people injured in the attack and is said to be in a serious condition in two other children and a woman are also being treated in hospital . all police treated in hospital. all police say they are not treating the incident as terror related. superintendent liam geraghty says a person of interest, a man in his 50s, has been detained. >> five casualties have been taken to hospitals in the dublin

region. these casualties include three young children, an adult female and an adult male. one one girl aged five years has sustained serious injuries and is currently receiving emergency medical treatment in kc temple street . one boy, aged five years street. one boy, aged five years and a girl aged six years who received less serious injuries, were brought to kc crumlin for treatment . the boy has since treatment. the boy has since been discharged from crumlin . been discharged from crumlin. >> 13 hostages held by hamas are due to be released from gaza as a temporary ceasefire with the terror group is to begin tomorrow . a spokesperson from tomorrow. a spokesperson from the qatar foreign ministry said the qatar foreign ministry said the first group of civilians will be released at 4:00. >> the beginning of the pause will be 7 am. friday, the 24th of november, and it will last, of november, and it will last, of course, as agreed for four days and the first patch of civilians to be released from

gaza will be around 4 pm. of the same day . they will be 13in the same day. they will be 13in number. all women and children and those hostages who are from the same families will be put together within the same patch . together within the same patch. >> meanwhile, the foreign secretary has met with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu on a visit to the country. lord cameron said he wanted to see for himself the communities affected by last month's hamas attacks, and he hopes that all those involved in the truce deal will make it happen. the truce deal will make it happen . downing street says more happen. downing street says more measures could be introduced to kerb net migration . it comes as kerb net migration. it comes as new figures showed that legal immigration to the uk has hit a new record of 745,000 in the year to december. most estimates suggest immigration is now slowing, while the number of people leaving the uk is going up, the government says it's working to reduce the overall numbers. but labour leader sir keir starmer says the figure is

shockingly high, represents a failure not just of immigration but also of asylum and of the economy. >> because within that figure there is a huge increase in work visas , which shows the visas, which shows the government hasn't done what it needs to do on skills within that number, there are a rising number of asylum seekers and disclosure that the hotel bills are going up and up. so this is are going up and up. so this is a failure . the immigration a failure. the immigration asylum and the economy and of course it's taxpayers who are picking up the bill. >> the business secretary says there was a fear in some communities that efforts to encourage people to get the covid vaccine was part of a government conspiracy . speaking government conspiracy. speaking to the covid inquiry kemi badenoch said that some people thought talk of the disproportionate impact the virus had on minorities was actually an attempt to cull the population . an she said that she population. an she said that she became concerned that the government's efforts to keep people informed of the risks were backfired, with some people deterred from getting the vaccine . the timing of the next

vaccine. the timing of the next election had no impact on the decision to cut taxes , according decision to cut taxes, according to the chancellor, jeremy hunt used the autumn statement. yes today to announce cuts to national insurance . they'll save national insurance. they'll save someone earning £35,000 , more someone earning £35,000, more than £450 a year. labour says the crumbling public services and the rising cost of living mean that people don't feel better off. but the chancellor says the government's work government's plan is working . government's plan is working. >> but the measures that i've taken today are , what, more than taken today are, what, more than 200 businesses wrote to me to ask for the big business organised actions like the cbi said it was the single most transformative thing that i could do. they're not particularly crowd pleasers. they're not the tax cuts that are on the tip of everyone's tongues, like an income tax cut or inheritance tax. but they are the things that will make the biggest difference to our long term competitiveness . despite

term competitiveness. despite those tax cuts, energy bills are expected to rise after the energy regulator announced a 5% increase to the price cap from january. >> the average household will pay >> the average household will pay around £94 more over the course of a year. ofgem says the increase is mostly driven by market instability and global events , including the war in events, including the war in ukraine. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to . michelle now it's back to. michelle >> hello there. good evening to you. i'm michelle dewberry with you. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me i've got the deputy deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib and the former labour adviser matt laws. good evening to both of you gentlemen . tonight, you of you gentlemen. tonight, you know the drill as well on this program, don't you? it is not just us in the studio just about us in the studio here. it's very much about you guys home. what is on your

guys at home. what is on your mind ? you can get in mind tonight? you can get in touch with me. all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com or if twitter is more your thing, you can reach me there at gb news. now i've got to say, there's one story i must start with tonight, and i will give you a warning right now. it is horrific story and shallcross live in the studio alongside me right now . studio alongside me right now. i've got gb news home security editor mark white. and the story i'm referring to, of course, is the horrendous news about the stabbing of people in dublin, including children. mark white, what is the latest? >> yeah, horrific events that unfolded this afternoon just before or just after 1:30 in before orjust after 1:30 in dubun before orjust after 1:30 in dublin city centre here in east parnell square east, which is right in the city centre, not far from o'connell street . far from o'connell street. emergency services arrived at the scene to find that three children, one had been stabbed . children, one had been stabbed. those children very young

indeed. a girl aged five, have suffered very serious injuries , suffered very serious injuries, is and is currently undergoing emergency medical treatment at a central dublin hospital . another central dublin hospital. another girl aged six, was less seriously injured. she's being treated in hospital and a boy aged five was less seriously injured. and now, thankfully, he's been discharged. now a woman, an adult female, is also described as having been seriously injured and a man who we believe was the alleged assailant suffered serious injuries as well. we believe those injuries were sustained when members of the public tackled him after this knife rampage that took place . we've rampage that took place. we've been hearing just a short time ago from superintendent liam garrity from garda ancona in dubun garrity from garda ancona in dublin , who said that at this dublin, who said that at this stage they don't believe that there is a terrorist link. this

is what he said. >> the scene remains sealed off at this time. and a technical examination of the scene is ongoing. an incident room has been established here at mountjoy garda station and a senior investigator, an officer has been appointed an garda siochana is following a definite line of enquiry. siochana is following a definite line of enquiry . the male in his line of enquiry. the male in his 50s is a person of interest to an garda siochana in disinvested nafion an garda siochana in disinvested nation and ungarische shaken is not looking for any other person at this time and hungary's economy continues to have an open mind at this early stage of the investigation . the investigation. >> i mean, it's just absolutely horrific . now, i've got to say, horrific. now, i've got to say, ihave horrific. now, i've got to say, i have been following this case unfolding quite closely as well on social media. i can't help but notice there really does seem to be an awful lot of unrest out in dublin. what's going on? >> well, that unrest is because many people in dublin believe that the alleged assailant here is an immigrant, but they've said that it's been reported

that he is an algerian national. the police have not confirmed this. in fact , superintendent this. in fact, superintendent liam geraghty was specifically asked to confirm that this man was an irish national. and he said he wasn't going to do that. now in light of that, you know, people are now taking it for read that actually it must be someone who is not irish and therefore potentially an immigrant. and lots of people have taken to the streets and some some of the scenes already unfolding this evening are are really quite worrying. police vehicles being surrounded, a line of police officers is being confronted by very angry protesters. this is a country where they have been really grappling with an influx of immigrants and asylum seekers in recent years, much like the uk has . and there's been quite a has. and there's been quite a bit of unrest in communities across ireland where they feel that the impact on their

communities has been significantly significant from , significantly significant from, um, these asylum seekers and immigrants in their community. so very angry as well that when they take to the streets they are accused of being right wing extremists. so we've heard quite a few of them confronting members of the press today, accusing them of saying just that. so, so quite ugly scenes now this evening in dublin , now this evening in dublin, which is not good. i mean, if the if the police did know that this man was an irish national, perhaps they should have come out and just said that that might have depher used the situation this evening. but we've got the very unsavoury situation of people believing this is an algerian immigrant at the centre of this stabbing attack and the police just not going anywhere near confirming anything like that. >> goodness me. and i think you touched on it briefly there . but touched on it briefly there. but i've got to say, incredibly brave bystanders as from all accounts, they seem to have got involved and stopped this guy.

and i mean, i have to say, we report on so many things on this channel and beyond where you see horrendous things happening and people are just whipping their phone out. often people are phone out. and often people are saying, wrong saying, what's wrong with people? people not people? why are people not getting they getting involved? why are they not stopping? remember the not stopping? i remember the horrendous oh it gives horrendous oh god, it gives me goosebumps just thinking about it. situation in a.i. do you it. the situation in a.i. do you remember that situation where you someone and he was you had someone and he was stabbing children, including in their ? and i remember their pram? and i remember watching that why watching that thinking, why didn't in and try and didn't people get in and try and stop it? i remember one chap did with a backpack, didn't he? so, you know, when i heard this story, there was just i suppose ispeak story, there was just i suppose i speak as parent because i speak as a parent because a child attacked in this way child being attacked in this way is single parent worst is every single parent worst nightmare. so to hear that people , they got involved, they people, they got involved, they stopped it by all accounts. yeah >> and no, you're absolutely right. and you know, it is concerning when you hear that. but for every idiot who is first instinct is to pick up a phone and film it. there are others who we know in these situations.

we saw it here in the uk in 2017 with the attack on london bridge and borough market with people that should quite understandably run in the opposite direction, away from danger that take that decision to put themselves in harm's way to try to tackle people that are causing their fellow citizens real harm. and yes, the superint attendant, liam geraghty, in his brief news conference here, paid tribute to those individuals who decided to tackle a man who was apparently carrying a very large knife. >> i mean, it is just incredibly brave. and that's i mean, we all think about what we do if think about what we might do if you come across things like that. but that is kind of the response we need, isn't it, response that we need, isn't it, to help keep each other to try and help keep each other safe. ben habib, thoughts safe. ben habib, your thoughts on this situation? >> very sad situation, >> well, very sad situation, awful any and all yardsticks. awful by any and all yardsticks. and i completely agree with you, michel. you know, it's a parent's worst nightmare to have a child stab stabbed . it is.

a child stab stabbed. it is. i agree with mark, too. i think it's not brilliant that the police haven't clarified , you police haven't clarified, you know, who this individual is or whether he's an irish national or not. of course, he may be an algerian immigrant of irish nationality because these are the scenes that we're seeing how. >> now. >> ben yeah, that's unfolding in dublin. >> if you're if you're listening and not watching, i shall just describe to you we really are seeing, i would say , very seeing, i would say, very actually very angry scenes on the streets of dublin. crowds and crowds of people , lots of and crowds of people, lots of kind of pushing seemingly going on again. you've got crowds of police officers like lines of police officers like lines of police officers like lines of police officers as well as emergency vehicles. they're and it's just i emergency vehicles. they're and it'sjust i mean, you emergency vehicles. they're and it's just i mean, you can see it is an incredibly tense situation there on the streets of dublin . there on the streets of dublin. and matthew. >> yeah, i mean, they're pretty worrying scenes as mark was saying, this has been going on for a while in dublin. they particularly they were the they were protesters at anti—immigration protesters were

outside irish outside the doyle, the irish parliament. become parliament. and that's become quite focal point for this quite a focal point for this sort of disruption and for the two sides really facing off against one another, you know, one side saying they're they're putting undue pressure on politicians as they go about their business. the other saying they've got a legitimate right to protest. and i think that will play into will all be sort of play into the narrative we're seeing. >> goodness me. a very >> goodness me. just a very brief reminder. so if anyone is just reminder, just tuning in, just a reminder, mark, of the status of those casualties that we've just been talking well, very worrying >> yeah, well, very worrying information the youngest information about the youngest casualty, old girl who casualty, five year old girl who is reported to be critically ill this evening, receiving emergency care at a central dubun emergency care at a central dublin hospital . two other dublin hospital. two other children, aged five and six, less seriously injured. thankfully, one of those, a five year old boy, has now been released from hospital. but an aduu released from hospital. but an adult female reports that she may have been the a teacher here at the nearby school in a serious condition, in hospital as well. >> i mean, this is just what do

you say? i just want to assure you, ladies and gents, we are absolutely, absolutely across this story as soon as we get any developments on that story, you will be the very first to hear it. i mean, we will all, i'm sure, share the same sentiment that this is just absolutely devastating. our thoughts are , devastating. our thoughts are, of course, with absolutely everybody involved. and we are hoping and praying, of course, that they all remain as well as possible. it'sjust that they all remain as well as possible. it's just absolutely, utterly heartbreaking. and i assure you, we will bring you all the very latest developments on that story as and when they happen. on that story as and when they happen . but for now, i think happen. but for now, i think we'll take a quick.

news radio. >> oh, hello. wasn't expected. you guys. sir. sunak michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, the deputy leader of reform uk , ben habib. leader of reform uk, ben habib. you also go by the names of

housewives favourite on this channel as well. don't you? don't mind that, ben? oh, you've got to work up to that. >> no, no, no. i'm aspiration. yeah. >> the former labour adviser matt laterza alongside me favourite lefty . favourite lefty. >> i'll cope with it. i sometimes get that. i sometimes get. >> i will let my viewers be the judge of that. so i will say you're very welcome to dewbs & co you're very welcome to dewbs& co tonight. there is a lot to unpack today because of course you'll familiar by now with you'll be familiar by now with the the net migration the fact that the net migration figures been released figures have been released today. now, let me tell you, it is not good news for the tories. the figures so far. well, i've got to say actually , the got to say actually, the previous years have been revised up because do remember, we all had that figure, didn't we? 6 or 6, 100,000. i think that was the figure that we had. well, that has been revised to 745,000. and also if we look to the year to june 2023. so far we've got a net migration figure of 672,000 people. this is a little graph

if you're listening, not watching, i shall describe in short order what you're seeing . short order what you're seeing. this is the net migration figures basically from the year 2000 . to the year 2023. to 2000. to the year 2023. to summarise these, that is astronomic daily increasing. you can see some interesting points on that graph there i've showed you where labour were in power. i've pointed out where the tories were to also the point of brexit. you can see that when we went into the covid lockdowns as well, we had people leaving, so well, we had people leaving, so we had that number decreasing. then we saw the start of a new immigration system and you can see and if you just look at the numbers i've extended towards the end of that graph per year. so you can see the changes there that things are having. but if you're listening, not watching, take my for it. it is take my word for it. it is soaring high. ben habib, your thoughts? >> i mean, the first comment i'd like to make is that people tend to talk and we all talk as the

government presents it this way in net migration figures. but actually to be looking actually we ought to be looking at gross migration figure at the gross migration figure because we're instead not because if we're instead not just economic impact of just in the economic impact of what's taking place, but the social impact that it's the gross figures matter. and gross figures that matter. and last year had , which has now last year we had, which has now been revised up 745,000 net migration, but we had closer to 1.2 or 1.3 million gross migration . and that's a city the migration. and that's a city the size of that's two cities the size of that's two cities the size of that's two cities the size of manchester two and a bit cities. and we've had 3.5 million of gross migration . cities. and we've had 3.5 million of gross migration. i'm not using the word gross and the other sense of the word, but gross numbers is of migration. 3.5 million or so, which is over six times the size of manchester. that is from a social perspective, incredibly difficult for the country to cope with. but then from the net migration perspective, there's a huge burden . we've had something huge burden. we've had something like a couple of million people in the last three years on a net migration basis. and i think of

that a couple of million people that a couple of million people thatis that a couple of million people that is at least 5 or 600,000 houses required . that's a huge houses required. that's a huge burden on the nhs . that's a huge burden on the nhs. that's a huge burden on the nhs. that's a huge burden on the nhs. that's a huge burden on our educational establishments. a lot of these people coming across ostensibly for university degrees , never for university degrees, never taking those degrees up and then disappear into the undergrowth of the united kingdom to find jobs and whatever . and of course jobs and whatever. and of course the economic impact of all of thatis the economic impact of all of that is also dire because what they're doing is undercutting they're doing is undercutting the migration wage , the wage to the migration wage, the wage to get to get a work visa has been set by this government at about £26,000 per annum, which is about more than 20% less than the median wage in the uk. so you've got net migrants coming in, undercutting the indigenous workforce. if you like, for want of a better description of those who are already here. british citizens making it more competitive and difficult for them to get jobs and you end up

in this kind of third world economic ecosystem , even though economic ecosystem, even though we're a first world country without any pressure on the government and indeed large business to upskill , to business to upskill, to automate, to produce better results for the nation on a per capha results for the nation on a per capita basis. so even though gdp by some miracle hasn't collapsed, gdp per capita has been going down dramatically over the last few years. and of course, productivity with this low skilled approach to the labour market has also collapsed. nothing to do with brexit, nothing to do with rejoiners and obe and all the rest. forecasting brexit causing this damage. it is unbridle and low skilled immigration that's having the economic impact. >> yeah, but hold on though, because there where a lot of europeans that were doing a variety of jobs in this country that did now choose or have that did now now choose or have now chosen to either now chosen to return to either homelands or wherever. so therefore we do have i mean the skills shortage occupation list is as long as my arms put together. that's why we're

together. and that's why we're then bringing in of then bringing in a lot of resource at 20% below, you know , resource at 20% below, you know, median wage wages. yeah so people will push back on that heanng people will push back on that hearing you and say, but brexit has contributed to us now needing to import. >> well we were importing it before we had exactly the same approach. it wasn't it wasn't highly skilled german and french engineers who were coming to the uk. unskilled bulgarians. uk. it was unskilled bulgarians. romania irons and i love the poles , but you know, it was poles, but you know, it was eastern european, central and eastern european, central and eastern european, central and eastern european people coming to the uk fulfilling jobs that the british workforce should be doing and encouraged to be doing. but of course we've also got a tax system that militates against people working, you know , a big , the chancellor made a big thing cutting thing yesterday about cutting national fiscal national insurance, but fiscal drag is going to take 4 million people into the tax net over the next three years. and they're disincentivised from working. so again , the government falls back again, the government falls back on the easiest option, which is unskilled , unbridled unskilled, unbridled immigration. it's a catastrophe. >> well , i immigration. it's a catastrophe. >> well, i mean, i don't think

there's anyone in the land that would think this is good news for the tories. is there anybody? going put an anybody? i'm going to put an appeal out. absolutely. i'm going i'm going to an going to i'm going to put an appeal i'm to search appeal out. i'm going to search high and low. ask your neighbours. your friends. is neighbours. ask your friends. is there today there anyone out there today who's thinking who's sitting there thinking this of 745,000 people in this figure of 745,000 people in net migration ? and by the way, net migration? and by the way, i just got to add to this. that is the number that we know of because i am not convinced that absolutely everybody is indeed counting within those figures. are you so i shall throw this out to you. is there anyone that is happy about this figure today? is there anyone that thinks that this is good news? a couple of questions for you to ponden couple of questions for you to ponder. i'm going to bring matthew in as well. do you think that labour would be able to do a betterjob that labour would be able to do a better job of that labour would be able to do a betterjob of managing our borders, asylum do borders, our asylum system? do you time for a cap you think it's time for a cap now when it comes to the numbers? and if so , where would numbers? and if so, where would you place that cap ? which you place that cap? which numbers, which sectors numbers, where which sectors would you be restricting that is your homework. over the next two

minutes, get your answer.

indeedin indeed in the us as well. >> hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. the deputy leader of reform uk, ben habib, alongside me, as is the former labour adviser, matt lahza. now we were just talking about the net migration figures that were released today, 745,000 and that was the figure in 2022. do you remember ? it was apparently remember? it was apparently 606,000, wasn't it? it's been revised upwards this year. we what, 672,000 up to june in look, are you going to tell me that labour, are you going to tell me with a straight face that you think it would be a different picture under labour? well, i think the first thing labour would do is it wouldn't lie say can get it down lie and say you can get it down to of thousands and the one to tens of thousands and the one of big things the

of the big things about the tories is they've misled tories is that they've misled people the public anger is people and the public anger is so because were told so strong because we were told john it was the tens of john lydon it was the tens of thousands going to get thousands that were going to get it to that was the david it down to that was the david cameron policy. >> maybe now he's back the >> maybe now he's back in the cabinet. him cabinet. we'll be asking him questions then questions about that. and then they said the low hundreds of thousands and now it's know, thousands and now it's you know, now it's approaching a million and a million ben and over a million net as ben has one thing labour would has said, one thing labour would do is would do straight away is it would take away 20% cap that we've take away the 20% cap that we've been discount been talking the 20% discount that you've got. so at the moment in that skills, the list of skills shortages, occupation means people in of skills shortages, occupation mea|below people in of skills shortages, occupation mea|below british ople in of skills shortages, occupation mea|below british worker on 20% below what british worker on average labour would average is paid. labour would get rid that day one. so i get rid of that on day one. so i mean, going to be realistic mean, i'm going to be realistic and do what? >> so you'd make it, what, 100? yeah. >> so it would be 100. you'd >> so it would be 100. so you'd have to at least so, so you wouldn't people from wouldn't have people from overseas british wouldn't have people from oversearin british wouldn't have people from oversearin that british wouldn't have people from oversearin that way. british wouldn't have people from oversearin that way. but'itish wouldn't have people from oversearin that way. but then wouldn't have people from oversearin that way. but the key workers in that way. but the key thing we're going to do is we've got to do we're got to we're going to do we're going bring it down over time going to bring it down over time is to train and is we've got to train and upskill own and upskill our own workforce and move people from welfare into work, which the tories talked about a yesterday.

about that a bit yesterday. they've bit late after they've left it a bit late after 13 years. i mean, 13 years. so i mean, i'm not going to don't think labour's going to i don't think labour's going to i don't think labour's going that it's going going to pretend that it's going to bring down the tens to bring it down into the tens of instantly, but it to bring it down into the tens of going instantly, but it to bring it down into the tens of going to instantly, but it to bring it down into the tens of going to take ;tantly, but it to bring it down into the tens of going to take concrete jt it is going to take concrete action, think all action, which i think we can all agree mean, this discount agree on. i mean, this discount is where people is ludicrous where people can be brought less a brought in for less than a british worker does the job for we agree on that. we all agree on that. >> so i just want pick you up >> so i just want to pick you up because response was because your first response was to i'm going be to say, right, i'm going to be really rhetoric. really honest with the rhetoric. so wouldn't sit so a labour party wouldn't sit there going to there and say, we're going to get down to the tens get it down to the tens of thousands. enough thousands. well i'm old enough to 2004 and the eu to remember 2004 and the eu expanded expanded expanded and it expanded essentially expanded and it expanded essentiacountries like your so your countries like your poland and you'll poland and i remember and you'll correct me if i'm wrong, i remember remember it remember the i remember that it was party, right? so was the labour party, right? so what everyone, case what happened? everyone, in case you're not familiar with the story, so you story, it expand ended. so you had of had this whole influx of potential had had this whole influx of pote new had had this whole influx of pote new expansion had had this whole influx of pote new expansion potential this new expansion of potential workers, of the workers, as most of the countries on transitional countries put on transitional controls. to controls. so what they tried to do to protect do was they tried to protect their labour market and they tried protect how many people tried to protect how many people came over, uk. everybody came over, not the uk. everybody oh, no. and when matthew , you oh, no. and when matthew, you say we would be honest about the numbers, i just want to remind everybody. in 2004, what

everybody. so in 2004, what actually happened was that we were told that britain could expect between 5013 expect to receive between 5013 thousand net immigrants per yean thousand net immigrants per year, averaged over a ten year penod year, averaged over a ten year period from the new member state. so that was the figure i remember. extra who was a you know, then in the senior cabinet minister >> so what actually actually saying that on television. yeah. and they were wrong to do that so happened was so what actually happened was between 2004 and 2012, the net inflow of migrants from those member states was 423,000. >> so why are you so sure that when you were in charge of immigration previously and you had these changes, you were so astronomically wrong in projections and communicate actions that i'm quite surprised that you would see that as your starting point of the thing that you would get right this time around. >> well, i think the i think the answer is the sense is in the question, you're absolutely right. think lesson right. i think the big lesson that over the that labour's learned over the whole was that whole brexit debate was that it it was ridiculous, it was it was ridiculous, a mistake to say that it was going

to be just a few thousand people and then 400,000 people came. to be just a few thousand people and hang 400,000 people came. to be just a few thousand people and hang on.i,000 people came. to be just a few thousand people and hang on. so )0 people came. to be just a few thousand people and hang on. so hang)ple came. to be just a few thousand people and hang on. so hang on. came. oh, hang on. so hang on. >> you're telling me that you've learned labours leant that dunng during the brexit debate? the brexit debate was in 2016. i think it is wrong. >> it took that long to take. yeah. and i think it's wrong that 2004 2016, the party that in 2004 to 2016, the party was catch and listen was slow to catch up and listen to why it lost to people and that's why it lost the confidence of what's called to people and that's why it lost the redfidence of what's called to people and that's why it lost the red wallce of what's called to people and that's why it lost the red wall of of what's called to people and that's why it lost the red wall of a what's called to people and that's why it lost the red wall of a whof s called the red wall of a lot of communities which were the communities which were on the front a very changing, front line of a very changing, changing i think changing economy. so i think because labour learned that lesson, to it's lesson, it's not going to it's not going promise things that not going to promise things that can't immigration, not going to promise things that can't is immigration, not going to promise things that can't is going immigration, not going to promise things that can't is going to �*nmigration, not going to promise things that can't is going to take|ration, not going to promise things that can't is going to take ittion, not going to promise things that can't is going to take it is n, but it is going to take it is going to take concrete steps that will have that will have an impact. >> so let's talk about those concrete you're concrete steps then. so you're going of the 80% going to get rid of the 80% threshold and make that 100. so also tories are also as well, the tories are talking about raising that threshold . they're going to get threshold. they're going to get rid the £26,000 cap. rid of the £26,000 cap. apparently and make it around £30,000, although i don't have much . it's not high enough. much. it's not high enough. yeah, i don't have much faith that that would or that that would happen or it would effective so would be effective anyway. so what would be effective anyway. so thwell , the thing is >> well, the key thing is because 300,000 of these people

have on work visas . so the have come on work visas. so the key work visas, 150,000 key thing on work visas, 150,000 to and social care is to the health and social care is that start training and that we start training and recruiting people in the uk. that we are paying the right wages in health and social care and also the key thing is we are taking off welfare and taking people off welfare and into supporting people into work and supporting people back the only into work and supporting people back economy the only into work and supporting people back economy which the only into work and supporting people back economy which stillonly into work and supporting people back economy which still has major economy which still has fewer than fewer people in work than before. across the before. across across the developed before the developed world than before the pandemic. that's the key pandemic. because that's the key thing . these people we thing. these are people that we know. is these are not know. this is these are not people who coming on the people who are coming in on the boats. that's a separate issue. we talk about, you know, at various channel. various points on this channel. but know but this is about people we know about in to about and they're coming in to do we're not do jobs because we're not getting to getting british people to do those look, it's got getting british people to do th

you not think. no, not at all. i mean, this, this 2% in mean, this, this 2% cut in national insurance yesterday, while it's i'm not while it's welcome, i'm not talking about stuff like that. >> talking about >> i'm talking about these measures have been measures where people have been on long term and they're on long term sick and they're not making enough or not making enough efforts or they're not not even just long term actually, are term sick. actually, people are economically 2 million economically inactive. 2 million people 2 million people benefit. yeah 2 million people benefit. yeah 2 million people claiming universal credit, claiming also mental health issues and other ailments. >> and not going to work. and the government saying that actually they will require them to, you know, find jobs that they can do at home if they if they're not prepared to go into a workplace . but it's a holistic a workplace. but it's a holistic approach that's required. absolutely. and it's and it requires , first of all, requires, first of all, primarily it's got to pay to work. there's got to be an incentive for people to go to work. and the gap between benefits and the net median wage , forget about low wage payers, you know, the net median wage of 33,000 nets down to about 25,000 on benefits. you can get pretty close , pretty damn close to

close, pretty damn close to 25,000. so why would you go to work then? the other thing that the tories done, which is the tories have done, which is so what do so damaging, what would you do then, so damaging, what would you do the would you what would you >> would you what would you reduce the amount that reduce the amount of money that people benefits ? people can get on benefits? >> mean, that's >> well, i mean, that's a different difficult politics. what you don't do is increase universal credit by 6.5, which they just did. so what would you do? and then what you also don't do? and then what you also don't do is freeze. well, i wouldn't have increased the benefits at all. i would have held benefits down and i would have and i would which is would move instantly, which is reform policy, move the reform uk policy, move the threshold at which people start paying threshold at which people start paying income tax from 12,500 pounds where it's been frozen for the last 4 or 5 years. i'd move that instantly to £20,000, taking millions of people out of the tax net, giving them a real incentive to go to work. >> but then how much would that cost or how would that lose cost or how much would that lose then from the coffers. >> but but but that's the point. at the moment, you've got so many people on benefits . that's many people on benefits. that's a complete economic burden on the state because we've seen you

get them into work. there's no benefit payments going out and the growing . the economy starts growing. >> if you're on if you're on if you're on less than 12,500. so if on very low wage or if you're on a very low wage or particularly if you're working part time, which affects a lot of sectors health of women in sectors like health and care, we're and social care, where we're bringing people in, there wasn't a yesterday a penny for you yesterday because you're not because because you're not paying paying national insurance and therefore tax therefore you didn't get a tax cut the band was cut yet your tax the band was frozen at 12,500. it most certainly should have gone up alongside inflation because it's not just dragging people into alongside inflation because it's not highdragging people into alongside inflation because it's not highdraggin�*tax.ople into alongside inflation because it's not highdraggin�*tax. it's into the high rate of tax. it's dragging on low dragging people on very low incomes into tax at all. it's disincentive. >> it precisely the point in the labour market where immigration is at its worst and there's a correlation, there's a connection between the two and the notion that you've got to find the money, if you don't mind me saying this, the notion that you've got to find the money the tax cut is a money for the tax cut is a fundamentally flawed notion. the chancellor admitted and chancellor himself admitted and this is where effectively he admitted he's been lying because he that this is a budget he he said that this is a budget for growth. and he recognised that cutting taxes produce growth. and if you produce

growth. and if you produce growth , you get more money for growth, you get more money for the exchequer because people stop claiming benefits , they go stop claiming benefits, they go back into the workplace . you back into the workplace. you have an indigenous population thatis have an indigenous population that is on its front foot. the economy grows, everyone's more prosperous , gdp per capita goes prosperous, gdp per capita goes up, gdp per hour, work goes up. it's a positive cycle if we're going to get and you've got to get back into that. >> i think it's about hard choices, and sure i'm choices, and i'm not sure i'm going to honest. not sure going to be honest. i'm not sure that make make that labour will make will make all it needs all the hard choices it needs to. tories aren't making to. but the tories aren't making any of them because the key thing numbers thing on the student numbers is, is at the is we've got a choice at the moment all our universities are living of foreign living off the fat of foreign students. they want as many foreign to come foreign students to come as possible because they pay much higher fees and therefore they're them they're basically using them to subsidise at home. so subsidise students at home. so do we want to pay more for our higher and have fewer higher education and have fewer foreign that we're foreign students that we're kind of and making of creaming off and making a profit tough profit on? those are tough decisions, stop decisions, or do we want to stop the everyone the obsession with everyone feeling the need to to feeling the need to go to university to keep the bill down? >> but that was your party's policy. whole education, policy. the whole education, education, education, absolutely. to push into absolutely. to push people into university to jobs,

university, to do often jobs, nothing to do with the subject that studied , but that they've studied, but obviously boxes that we obviously to tick boxes that we can say, i think it was right to get more people in and the 50% target. >> it's always p—l p—- >> but it's always going to be a 50% target and not 100. and labour enough power labour didn't do enough in power . and over last 13 years, . and over the last 13 years, the certainly haven't the tories certainly haven't done to is to really done enough, is to is to really give us skills that we need give us the skills that we need for people who aren't going to university. we need a massive focus skills training in this focus on skills training in this country that's what, country because that's what, frankly are frankly our competitors are doing, know, the doing, not just, you know, the germans better germans are a lot better at doing europe, but doing it in europe, but countries like south and countries like south korea and taiwan we're competing taiwan that we're competing against market are taiwan that we're competing againsthat. market are taiwan that we're competing againsthat. so market are taiwan that we're competing againsthat. so we market are taiwan that we're competing againsthat. so we m aket are doing that. so we need a new skills emphasis. wasn't skills emphasis. yeah, i wasn't in charge it. i mean, you in charge of it. i mean, you know, got my own criticisms know, i've got my own criticisms of of a labour government. >> the first or one of the >> the first thing or one of the first things you're going do first things you're going to do is potentially disrupt the education in of goodness knows how whose parents how many children whose parents can't continue in can't afford to continue in private education for them. so these are going to see these children are going to see their learning their their learning in their education, their friendships, groups life groups probably their home life disrupted. take them disrupted. when you take them out private education you out of the private education you shoved into state shoved them into the state education that you guys can

education so that you guys can tick a box to everybody, tick a box and say to everybody, look we're really tough look at us. we're really tough on rich people and don't worry about those kids over there . about those kids over there. >> look, i think ultimately very few will move from the few people will move from the private sector if charitable. what you basing that if what are you basing that if that's put on? well, i mean, on some of the studies that have been but i mean, it been done. but i mean, to me, it isn't. if i was the shadow education secretary, wouldn't isn't. if i was the shadow educatnumberetary, wouldn't isn't. if i was the shadow educat numberetarypriority, dn't isn't. if i was the shadow educat numberetarypriority, my be my number one priority, my number priority and the number one priority and the party's priority party's number one priority should skilling this should be about up skilling this economy, have economy, because then we'll have people jobs. and people to do the jobs. and that's we get our migration people to do the jobs. and that's is we get our migration people to do the jobs. and that's is byrve get our migration people to do the jobs. and that's is by having)ur migration people to do the jobs. and that's is by having british ration down, is by having british workers. i mean, gordon brown said a jobs for said it in a british jobs for british workers . he did some of british workers. he did some of it. he didn't have enough time british workers. he did some of it. do didn't have enough time british workers. he did some of it. do enough1ave enough time british workers. he did some of it. do enough ofe enough time british workers. he did some of it. do enough of it. nough time british workers. he did some of it. do enough of it. butgh time british workers. he did some of it. do enough of it. but it'sime british workers. he did some of it. dowe ough of it. but it'sime british workers. he did some of it. dowe needof it. but it'sime british workers. he did some of it. dowe needof ido. ut it'sime what we need to do. >> i think disgusting, >> i think it's a disgusting, disgusting on disgusting policy that 20% on school fees because all school fees because it's all about signalling make about virtue signalling to make out you're on the and out that you're on the and there's absolutely and it's hitting suffer i think hitting that will suffer i think it's disgusting it's hitting schools actually you schools that actually work you know it is typical the politics of envy if you don't mind me saying you certainly the politics within the labour party are it is, as you say,

are is it is, as you say, michel, it's about about them. >> it's about the leadership throwing red to meat throwing some red red to meat the to members who think the to the members who think he's gone quite wing on he's gone quite right wing on other so they can he's other things. so they can he's got left children so you're got some left children so you're happyifs got some left children so you're happy it's not it's not it wouldn't a priority me . wouldn't be a priority for me. but it's not. but there but you know it's not. but there will things done by a will be better things done by a labour government. >> we on >> there you go. we started on immigration. we've ended on private did you keep private schools. did you keep up? your thoughts on it's up? what's your thoughts on it's all have we found somebody defending the tories yet? well, there you go. got reform there you go. you've got reform on well, the tories are on here. well, the tories are not tories are conserved lviv. >> it's impossible to defend them . they are over at them. they are right over at your going to talk your end. we're going to talk about in a second. your end. we're going to talk athink. in a second. your end. we're going to talk athink. the in a second. your end. we're going to talk athink. the in have cond. i think. but the tories have moved to ground that used moved over to ground that used to occupied by the labour to be occupied by the labour party and the labour party has gone communist gone full. tonto, communist socialist . mean the socialist. i mean that's the that's the political landscape. anyone centre right , which is anyone centre right, which is how i see myself and we're going to talk about this, as i said , to talk about this, as i said, everyone centre is now everyone centre right is now regarded far it's regarded as far right. it's absurd. well i was to absurd. well i was going to talk about stadium after the about wembley stadium after the break, i think break, but actually i think i will we'll off

will end just we'll round off that conversation, talk that conversation, we'll talk about wilders because there about kurt wilders because there is a question to be asked why are so many countries seemingly . are so many countries seemingly. moving to the right when it comes to the political appointments that they are making that coming up making that will be coming up

break >> hello there. i am, michelle jubin . i'm with you till seven. jubin. i'm with you till seven. my jubin. i'm with you till seven. my panel remain matthew laza ben habib . beryl says you are habib. beryl says you are blessed with a great team today. ben habib. matthew he is my favourite lefty that's nice. thank you. ben. >> i'm your favourite. oh, lovely. i'm glad that it wasn't just my desire. i've got to say he did self declare that at the start of the program. >> i'm sure i've tried hard. >> i'm not sure i've tried hard. i'm not actually sure that i've found anyone that is celebrating the net migration figures today. there's a lot of people , of there's a lot of people, of course not happy, chris says . course not happy, chris says. michelle, i want to appoint you in charge of controlling uk

immigration. as i always say to you guys , you just count you guys, you just count yourself lucky. i'm not in charge of this country. that's all say stating all i can say without stating the obvious . do we actually have the obvious. do we actually have to move a single? do we have to allow single person migrate to move a single? do we have to allow uk ngle person migrate to move a single? do we have to allow uk givenerson migrate to move a single? do we have to allow uk given that1 migrate to move a single? do we have to allow uk given that we migrate to move a single? do we have to allow uk given that we aregrate to move a single? do we have to allow uk given that we are now to the uk given that we are now a sovereign state that is no longer in the eu? well, no. we can define our immigration system. whatever we would like it to look and this is the criticism that my panel both levelling at the tories, that they are not defining it as well as perhaps they should. danny says we should have zero migration next five migration for the next five years we sort this mess years until we sort this mess out who the jobs that out. who will do the jobs that people want to do in this people don't want to do in this country then? danny alex says there cap and the there should be no cap and the borders. right . the border borders. all right. the border should be open everywhere so that we can all go and live wherever we want. migrant caps are racist, says alex, is one of the things that i want to pick up on. yeah, you touched upon it before the break. is the situation in the netherlands. long everybody, the long story short, everybody, the politician that's frequently called far right politician, called the far right politician, geert , he has won the

geert wilders, he has won the most seats in the dutch election. i've to say, this election. i've got to say, this is quite was quite a shock to a lot of people. what do you make to what's going on? >> i into >> so before i got into politics, which was 2019, used politics, which was 2019, i used to look at geert wilders. >> i'd read the mainstream media and i'd assumed that they were right, this guy's far right, that this guy's a far right, that this guy's a far right you know, on the right sort of. you know, on the far right. and he was, as it happens, a friend of a friend of mine, a chap called malcolm pearson, who was one of the first proponents of , of brexit. first proponents of, of brexit. and used to wonder how someone and i used to wonder how someone is saying in his level headed as malcolm have a friend in malcolm would have a friend in geert wilders. but since i've got into politics, as i kind of alluded to before the break, anyone who expresses a view remotely on the right of centre is now branded mainstream is now branded by mainstream media as far right. nigel farage is branded as far right. but i know nigel very well. he's certainly not a racist. he's not xenophobic all he wants is an immigration policy that works for the united kingdom. >> but just to be clear though, this geert wilders, he wanted

some of policies. he wanted some of his policies. he wanted to wanted some of his policies. he wanted to islamic wanted some of his policies. he wanted to islamic schools. wanted some of his policies. he wanted to islamic schools. heinted some of his policies. he wanted to islamic schools. he wanted ban islamic schools. he wanted to is of what to ban mosques, is kind of what he says is put them in the fridge , those kind of policies. fridge, those kind of policies. >> yeah, he's trying to prove his respectability because he wants of wants to be prime minister of the netherlands. wants to be prime minister of the i\mean,ands. but because >> i mean, yeah, but because of their the their system he's he's won the most, the most votes in the most seats. but it's going to be quite a job to form a government. yeah >> defend >> i'm not going to defend geert wilders. the man, wilders. i don't know the man, but i think there's a very good chance mainstream chance that mainstream media is vilifying you're vilifying him. and what you're seeing in geert wilders is the natural knee jerk reaction of not just him, but the populist right across europe wanting to protect their nation states, protect their nation states, protect their nation states, protect their culture, protect their values and their heritage. and what is so damaging to immigration and the prospect of future immigration is that our politicians are not getting a grip of the social implications of it now. and i think i think that's it. >> and i think the key thing is people feel that they've been that they've been lied to. so i think were hearing think as we were hearing from viewers were viewers and listeners who were

who us their who were sending us in their views, people who voted for brexit, thought that, you brexit, who thought that, you know, use that phrase a know, to use that phrase as a sovereign state, that somebody used, to be used, that we were going to be able immigration down. able to bring immigration down. and actually they lied to. and actually they feel lied to. so there's a real anger so i think there's a real anger out there from people who feel that misled by that they've been misled by politicians, particularly actually of what you might call the old mainstream. right i mean, party that to mean, the party that used to faux births, i've faux pas births, as i've explained that you before the explained that to you before the break, told you about. break, i've told you about. i mean, fair point. mean, that's a fair point. that's the right. >> it's both sides . and this is >> it's both sides. and this is a problem. if ask a problem. now, if you ask somebody who believes that actually you should have immigration and we can immigration control and we can debate that control debate what that control would look then there seems to look like, then there seems to be absolutely no. you've been let down twice. yeah, there seems to be no body and a lot of people look you guys as people will look to you guys as the answer. but seems the answer. but there seems to be body able to do be no body who is able to do that. and yes, they can all talk the talk. but what's talking. >> but michel, what you've >> yeah, but michel, what you've got to believe in and this got to first believe in and this is give is i'm going to give you a slightly political slightly a broader political exposition, but you've got exposition, but what you've got to is the to first believe in is the importance nation state. importance of the nation state. our don't seem to

our politicians don't seem to care about nation state and care about the nation state and by state. what i mean is by nation state. what i mean is a shared language, a shared culture, shared heritage, culture, a shared heritage, a belief our history , and a belief in our history, and a feeling that we belong in a community. i agree with social construct and our politicians don't believe in it. and they've they're hollowing ben, because they're hollowing ben, because they don't care. they're all about numbers. they don't care. they're all about i numbers. they don't care. they're all about i mean, ers. they don't care. they're all about i mean, irs. they don't care. they're all about i mean, i do believe in >> no, i mean, i do believe in the nation state and, you know, my friends in the netherlands, in netherlands, party my friends in the netherlands, in did etherlands, party my friends in the netherlands, in did come ands, party my friends in the netherlands, in did come second party my friends in the netherlands, in did come second wenty my friends in the netherlands, in did come second went up who did come second and went up believing believe in the nation state, labour party state, i mean, the labour party should believe in it much more than right or right. should believe in it much more thar key right or right. should believe in it much more thar key thing right or right. should believe in it much more thar key thing is'ight or right. should believe in it much more thar key thing is ont or right. should believe in it much more tharkey thing is ont or rigis. the key thing is on brexit is it's just, know, i'm not it's not just, you know, i'm not going let ben off the hook going to let ben off the hook here the here because, because the brexiteers were brexiteers told us that we were going to see immigration go down. go down. we've seen immigration go up mistake of up because it was the mistake of the to say the remain campaign to not say you'd have immigration the remain campaign to not say you'cthe have immigration the remain campaign to not say you'cthe eu have immigration the remain campaign to not say you'cthe eu because nigration the remain campaign to not say you'cthe eu because people n the remain campaign to not say you'cthe eu because people go from the eu because people go home. the home. and we've seen in the figures that if you have immigration eu , people immigration from the eu, people go often come go home because they often come for short times. whether that is the polish plumber wants to the polish plumber who wants to come bit money come and make a bit of money to buy back in poland for a buy a house back in poland for a couple years, or old italians couple of years, or old italians making coffee, this got making coffee, this has got nothing but

nothing to do with brexit, but it but it hasn't. it has no, but it hasn't. >> hasn't since brexit. >> it hasn't since brexit. >> it hasn't since brexit. >> hasn't you at >> it hasn't. if you look at western democracies right across the board, europe , the united the board, europe, the united kingdom, the united states, there an assault from within there is an assault from within there is an assault from within the political class on nation states. they're almost held in contempt . and that is why you contempt. and that is why you get all the conspiracy theories about the world economic forum, global institutions. the anti—democratic forces that are stripping away authority from the people and vesting it in in bodies over which we have no influence when they talk about independent bodies , as ofcom , independent bodies, as ofcom, the election commission. et cetera. et cetera . what they're cetera. et cetera. what they're really talking about are bodies that are unaccountable. >> i agree with you that parliament should be sovereign and to have and that people need to have confidence left confidence in and the left should about should talk more about condemnation. why condemnation. and that's why every a keir every time you see a keir starmer he gets criticism starmer and he gets criticism from the he's a flag starmer and he gets criticism from thhim he's a flag starmer and he gets criticism from thhim hebecauseflag starmer and he gets criticism from thhim he because flag all behind him now because it's all about and the about talking about and the people are people british, the people are not and the not being listened to and the people crying out for the people are crying out for the protection what believe protection of what they believe in, which fundamentally is their

nafion in, which fundamentally is their nation state. >> and politicians are not >> and the politicians are not listening. all these listening. and all these independent bodies aren't listening. going listening. and we are going to get civil strife we're not get civil strife if we're not careful . we've seen it kick off careful. we've seen it kick off in france. we've seen it kick careful. we've seen it kick off in iinnce. we've seen it kick careful. we've seen it kick off in iin the we've seen it kick careful. we've seen it kick off in iin the us 've seen it kick careful. we've seen it kick off in iin the us and;een it kick careful. we've seen it kick off in iin the us and we're kick careful. we've seen it kick off in iin the us and we're very off in the us and we're very lucky in the united kingdom that we to queue up and we're we like to queue up and we're pretty actually pretty docile. but actually we've got to be very, very careful. >> immigration, certainly that is going to continue to cause it's test. it's really it's going to test. it's really important, michel, that milo admit that they got it wrong by not putting in controls and underestimating it and being very clear about what the immigration offer is. very clear about what the immigration offer is . and he immigration offer is. and he should should should have spoken. he should have about his have spoken about in his conference speech, and he didn't. if i'd written it, he would done only did you would have done not only did you get it wrong, you're saying to him, about you him, well, what about what you promised because you guys got >> it was because you guys got it so catastrophically wrong in 2004 because many of my viewers that, for example, may be tradesmen , trades, women, tradesmen, trades, women, whatever workers were whatever those workers were monumentally undercut when it came to wages because of the uncontrolled influx of cheaper labour from countries like poland. it was those kind of

things that stirred the seeds and planted the seeds for people all to then want what became brexit. >> yeah, i mean, that's why i said it. it was, it was, it was a tragedy that it took to the brexit referendum for the left in this country for penny in this country for that penny to drop. why, why, why did it take think partly take so long? i think partly because of the people that we have are sometimes have in politics are sometimes don't communities , you don't represent communities, you know, their know, don't represent their views. are i mean, you know views. they are i mean, you know , parliamentarians and people who much more in touch with, who are much more in touch with, you know , not all north london you know, not all north london liberals left liberals and i think the left lost voters in the lost touch with voters in the red parliamentarians. red wall are parliamentarians. >> parliamentary ones, with >> our parliamentary ones, with the exception of a handful of people virtually our entire people and virtually our entire institutional setup is in contempt of democracy that when we voted to leave the eu, all we got was opposition. if they'd embraced the opportunity , if embraced the opportunity, if they'd actually done what is right for the united kingdom, made policies with british national interest at heart , we national interest at heart, we wouldn't be in the trouble we're in. we're in with immigrants because because because because we because because migration since we migration has gone up since we left the eu. >> gave are back. we

>> we gave people are back. we gave home. gave returning home. >> 6.5 million member >> we gave 6.5 million eu member state citizens settled or pre—settled status home ben yeah, but they can come and go as please. it's not, it's as they please. it's not, it's not about brexit. this is about a collapse. >> this is about a collapse in a belief in by a political class, in a nation state. >> well , i can in a nation state. >> well, i can tell you this conversation will rumble on and on and on. we almost need a jobs after hours, don't we? one of my viewers is furious with my previous viewer that said that migration caps racist. how migration caps are racist. how dare you? he says that is all i've got time for. thank you, ben . thank you. thank you. at ben. thank you. thank you. at home. have a good night. i'll see you tomorrow night . see you tomorrow night. >> evening. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. the winds picking up out there. a blustery and cold day tomorrow, but most places will see some sunny spells. the reason for the change a cold front is pushing south ahead of it. still quite mild behind it, very windy and much cold air

arriving so strong . the winds, arriving so strong. the winds, we actually have a met office, yellow warning in place across shetland, but across orkney and the north—east of the mainland , the north—east of the mainland, very blustery with wintry showers coming in here. a little bit of snow is possible. a little bit of rain will clear away and wales. away from england and wales. most will setting . most places will be dry setting. pretty chilly, but temperatures holding up in the south—west. but actually here during tomorrow, will tend tomorrow, temperatures will tend tomorrow, temperatures will tend to fall away. we'll start with cloud and still some patchy rain over maybe north wales, some showers just hitting parts of aberdeen shire and then the east coast of england, especially norfolk. seeing the odd shower. but for most places it's dry. for many it'll be fine and sunny , but it ain't going to be warm with temperatures in single figures. a chilly day and feeling cold in the feeling particularly cold in the east with this brisk wind . that east with this brisk wind. that wind will only slowly ease dunng wind will only slowly ease during saturday, but it should ease away, as will any showers just hitting the eastern side of england . and for most, saturday england. and for most, saturday is also set fair. yes, there'll be a frosty start , but then

be a frosty start, but then plenty of autumn sunshine lifting the temperatures

and a very good evening. >> welcome to farage. at 7:00 here on gb news. what a day. another big day for political news. yes we have had record immigration figures. is that a good thing or a bad thing? we'll be discussing that, of course. and within that, i have got an exclusive live about what i believe is a student visa shock shocker that you haven't heard from anyone else that is to be looked forward to later. now, of course , nigel is in the jungle. course, nigel is in the jungle. you may well have been watching. more to come tonight, more revelations , it's fair to say. revelations, it's fair to say. we'll obviously be talking to ben leo about that and to finish the show . this

ben leo about that and to finish the show. this is