by >> good evening. this is the latest from the newsroom. israeli hostages travelling by helicopter are said to have landed at the schneider children's medical centre in israel for treatment for those watching us on television, this is them arriving a short while ago. it's said they'll be reunited with family members inside of the hospital. 13 israeli hostages were released by hamas today. the israeli military says it's preparing for the next stage of the gaza operation. these pictures show the hostages being transferred in red cross cars via the rafah crossing. more aid is being allowed into gaza, which is expected to continue over the coming days. there was also a further group of thai hostages released by the terror group hamas following separate mediation efforts by egypt and qatar . those released mediation efforts by egypt and qatar. those released today include 13 israelis, some of whom are dual nationals. ten thai citizens and a filipino

national. qatar's foreign ministry says 39 palestinian women and children have also been released from israeli prisons as part of the deal. a temporary pause in fighting came into force this morning, expected to last four days as margaret moses. daniel aloni . margaret moses. daniel aloni. amelia aloni adina moshe, ohad monda and ruth monda, just six of the israeli hostages who've been released today. a full list of israelis who've been freed has been released by the prime minister's office. they include one male and arrange in age from 85 to as young as just five. the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, has said we're committed to the return of all of our hostages. the uk's foreign secretary, lord david cameron , also saying it's a huge cameron, also saying it's a huge relief to see hostages returned today. relief to see hostages returned today . elsewhere, there's been today. elsewhere, there's been more disruption on the streets of dublin this evening following the riots and violent scenes yesterday that saw 34 people arrested and a smaller number of

people attempted to create unrest for a second night in a row. more arrests have been made. a clean up was underway this morning in the city centre after cars were set alight and shops were looted . a number of shops were looted. a number of police officers also injured. the violence was sparked after three children and a woman were stabbed close to a school in the city yesterday . a five year old city yesterday. a five year old girl is said to be in a serious condition . rishi sunak is facing condition. rishi sunak is facing a backlash from senior members of his own party after new figures revealed migration is at an all time high. reports suggest mps are demanding to action reduce the number of people coming legally to the uk. net migration peaked at 745,000 last year, a record high and the uk could be in for freezing conditions as temperatures as low as minus five are expected. the met office says the cold spell could also see snow fall next week, saturday expected to be the coldest night of the season across the country with

those sub zero temperatures and they could possibly reach minus seven across northwest england and in the south and minus four in rural areas of wales. tomorrow morning . this is gb tomorrow morning. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now time for headliners . headliners. >> hello and welcome to headliners. >> your first look at saturday's newspapers . newspapers. >> i'm andrew doyle. >> i'm andrew doyle. >> and joining me tonight are comedians paul cox and lewis schaffer . schaffer. >> both well, yes, very good. >> both well, yes, very good. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> it's my birthday this sunday and i think it's cute how both of you are pretending not to know. >> i didn't know, i'm afraid, paul happy >> i didn't know, i'm afraid, paul, happy for paul, but happy birthday for sunday. you very much. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> happy birthday for sunday. >> happy birthday for sunday. >> really care about you, paul >> you're not going to ask me how am. i don't. first of

how old i am. i don't. first of all, older you or all, you look older than you or i'm be 14 years older all, you look older than you or i'm your be 14 years older all, you look older than you or i'm your girlfriend'ears older all, you look older than you or i'm your girlfriend .ars older than your girlfriend. >> okay, well, let's not make it personal anyway. >> start . no, louis, we've >> let's start. no, louis, we've got a job to do . got a job to do. >> a show to do. we're going to look the pages of look at the front pages of saturday's newspapers. first, the running with. the daily mail is running with. we stealth tax. we want to end the stealth tax. the times at last. freedom for some that some of the hostages being released in gaza. the guardian has war is paused while 24 hostages are freed. the telegraph has comic relief chief quits over gaza stance. we'll get to that in a moment. and the daily express dame esther's joy over precious present of life. the daily star has stockton. it's a garden of eden, apparently . those were your apparently. those were your front pages . so i think it's front pages. so i think it's very interesting that the one story that's conspicuously absent on all of these front covers is the dublin riots. and i would have expected that to feature in some way. i would have expected to feature heavily, alone in some way.

heavily, let alone in some way. >> and i think reason why is >> and i think the reason why is because they are everybody is tiptoeing around this. yes. it really doesn't fit the agenda at the moment. the agenda being positive towards immigration and multiculturalism. and clearly this was somebody who was a foreign national for all we know. i don't know from from from what nationality, but who has stabbed women and children . has stabbed women and children. >> we can see that front cover that doesn't feature the story we're talking about because it's just and this is just not there. and this is interesting, of interesting, louis, because, of course, comes the course, when it comes to the riots dublin we are talking riots in dublin we are talking about, it dismissed by one about, it was dismissed by one of officers just a of the police officers as just a bunch right thugs, which bunch of far right thugs, which completely going on. >> well, to call them far right, i think. i think what we need is there to different there needs to be different language it's language that's used. yes it's obvious. like what paul obvious. it's like what paul says they don't this the agenda is about having one happy little world. we're all getting along. he's algerian. this guy. world. we're all getting along. he's algerian. this guy . right. he's algerian. this guy. right. and so probably in another time and place, he'd be called a terrorist. i remember when people were called terrorists. well, we don't know.

>> i suppose. we don't know the motives. and things haven't been really decided on yet. so let's wait see how unfolds. wait and see how that unfolds. it's interesting that the press chose it for chose not to run with it for tomorrow's papers, but times tomorrow's papers, but the times was with what at last was running with what at last freedom some. freedom for some. >> and this is, of course, good news as a result of the four day ceasefire that's happening we ceasefire that's happening as we speak. in total speak. so 24 hostages in total have been released now, 13 today, men, women and children. and in response, there have been 39 palestinian women and youths who were detained in israel have been released. also excuse me. i think the thing that's most fascinating about this is what's going to occur over the next few days. we're going to get to hear how they were treated, where they held . i will say the they were held. i will say the pictures seen so far, pictures that i've seen so far, whilst do look scared, i whilst they do look scared, as i would perhaps even relieved, would do, perhaps even relieved, they well . okay. they look well. okay. >> well, that's something to be grateful. >> and i think that is a relief, to be honest. >> what do you make of this? i mean, israel in mean, this has put israel in a very situation because very difficult situation because they agreeing now to a

they are agreeing now to a ceasefire of four days, which, of course, will benefit hamas greatly because it will allow them what the idf are them to monitor what the idf are doing. it will allow them to recoup and band and regroup. and, know , we do know that and, you know, we do know that one of the palestinian prisoners that was released in a previous deal that time when they released 1000 palestinian prisoners in return for one idf soldier, that one of those people was, in the man who people was, in fact, the man who orchestrated the october 7th attacks. yeah, and the people attacks. yeah, so and the people they releasing the they are releasing from the palestinian are palestinian from from israel are indeed people are indeed prisoners, people who are committed crime . there committed violent crime. there is always a risk when it comes to this kind of thing, isn't there? >> well, i mean, it all sounds benign. you know, women and children they're releasing. children that they're releasing. one was a schoolgirl who children that they're releasing. one arrested schoolgirl who children that they're releasing. one arrested on schoolgirl who children that they're releasing. one arrested on scwaygirl who children that they're releasing. one arrested on sc way to. who was arrested on her way to school when she stopped to stab a officer. well exactly. school when she stopped to stab a i officer. well exactly. school when she stopped to stab a i mean,icer. well exactly. school when she stopped to stab a i mean, i've well exactly. school when she stopped to stab a i mean, i've well a.actly. school when she stopped to stab a i mean, i've well a lot.y. school when she stopped to stab a i mean, i've well a lot of >> i mean, i've seen a lot of that women and children being released prisons that women and children being releasedthey prisons that women and children being releasedthey know prisons that women and children being releasedthey know they're1s because they know they're criminals . yeah, not criminals. yeah, it's not it's not comparable to the hostages that were taken by hamas during that were taken by hamas during that massacre . that massacre. >> the situation is very difficult for israel because on

israel has to has to has two focuses to approaches to the war. one is they've got to make us the world feel good about helping israel and supporting israel, which i don't think it's done.i israel, which i don't think it's done. i think it's failed on a on a pr grounds. but on the other hand, what the goal of israel is to do, i believe, is to scare the hell out of their neighbours who are belligerent and hostile to them , to make and hostile to them, to make them think twice about doing something like this or aiding the. there's a lot of palestinians who don't support hamas and who think that hamas are the worse thing for them. >> but they are kind of trapped at this point. i mean, hamas, when were elected many when they were elected many years 22, think years ago, now 22, 2006, i think it they killed off the it was, they killed off the political opponents. they murdered members of fatah. so this that is this is a group that is a tyrannous group . tyrannous group. >> absolutely. i mean, they are terrorists. they actually the unforgotten at the moment are probably the vast majority of palestinians in that country

that would find all of this abhorrent . now they don't have abhorrent. now they don't have a voice, so we don't know what they're going to say. and they'd be scared to use their voice if they did have it. i'm sure. however it's difficult because there's a lot of people in there's also a lot of people in palestine, civilians who support hamas. >> i disagree with you, paul, and i think we don't and i think i think we don't know what's in that know what's going on in that country. feel i feel for the country. you feel i feel for the palestinians. been palestinians. they've been treated very badly over the years. been crammed into years. they've been crammed into this. it's not just israel . it's this. it's not just israel. it's mistreating them. they have no exit out to egypt. it's not like they're surrounded only by they're being surrounded only by israel. egyptians want no israel. the egyptians want no part of them. the reason they did this was because saudi arabia a deal with arabia was striking a deal with israel and the jordanians don't support the. >> yeah, we almost had there was the there was there were the rumours there was there were on the brink of a peace deal, of a and of course, a peace deal. and of course, that's what hamas wants. no, that's not what hamas wants. no, hamas is a militant islamist fundamentalist that wants fundamentalist group that wants to the face of the to wipe jews off the face of the earth. the doesn't want peace. >> but the is, peace. >> but the fact is, and i want to this as lovingly to say this as lovingly as possible, is lot of

possible, there is a lot of animus on maybe going both sides. i wasn't trained to hate muslims and i don't have that feeling inside of me. but history , lyrically, there's been history, lyrically, there's been a lot of hatred. the truth is, is that egyptians would rather strike a deal with israel than they would help . they would help. >> but it's certainly not interested in helping the gazans. are they okay, we're going to move to on the daily mail. what are they leading with? louis >> they're leading with. want >> they're leading with. we want to tax and this to end the stealth tax and this is a hard subject for me because my hope is someday to be in a tax bracket . yeah, you're tax bracket. yeah, you're getting there. >> you're there closely. >> you're getting there closely. >> you're getting there closely. >> i'm getting there. i'm coming. i'm >> want to get into tax? >> you want to get into a tax? >> you want to get into a tax? >> a few more appearances on the headliners >> you'll be grand. >> you'll be grand. >> is. this is >> and there is. this is something called bracket creep creep, the tories were creep, which the tories were using to pay for covid and all the things they were doing the things that they were doing basically with inflation. yeah. it people pay higher it means people pay a higher percentage of their income. >> well, they had to get the money from somewhere, you know, dunng money from somewhere, you know, during pandemic gave during the pandemic they gave subsidised to

subsidised households to such a degree put this degree and so sunak put this four freeze on tax four year freeze on tax thresholds . what does do now? thresholds. what does he do now? what think? what do you think? >> think this was always >> well, i think this was always deliberate. these tax thresholds were going in were always going to stay in place now . they needed place for now. they needed to know much these cuts were know how much these cuts were going to them. they will going to cost them. they will come cost. it doesn't come at a cost. it doesn't matter cynical are about matter how cynical you are about it, there be some cost it, there will be some cost involved. want to see involved. they'll want to see that to hold that and then also need to hold things back because they'll need to some some in to offer some some gifts in the spring. assuming we don't have a general election before spring, which this is which i don't assume this is kind problem, though. kind of the problem, though. >> the government does >> whatever the government does at interpreted as at the moment is interpreted as being cynical ploy to being a sort of cynical ploy to try voters. at the try and win voters. at the moment they're actually isn't anything that anything they could do that wouldn't trouble. wouldn't be in trouble. >> i don't think it's >> no, and i don't think it's cynical to try and win voters. i think of inherent in think it's kind of inherent in what they're yes they what they're doing. yes they have to order be in power, have to in order to be in power, they have to win voters. mean, they have to win voters. i mean, i week saying they have to win voters. i mean, i is week saying they have to win voters. i mean, i is good week saying they have to win voters. i mean, i is good news week saying they have to win voters. i mean, i is good news forveek saying they have to win voters. i mean, i is good news for aek saying they have to win voters. i mean, i is good news for a lot;aying they have to win voters. i mean, i is good news for a lot ofing this is good news for a lot of people, a lot of people that we care about, we effected positively, particularly elderly people, would be affected positively this. you positively by this. and, you know, matter know, it doesn't matter what colour that was colour you support. that was a good now, only way

good budget. now, the only way it bad budget is if it becomes a bad budget is if you take big picture you take the whole big picture into start into account and you start saying, about this? and saying, what about this? and how about okay you can about that then? okay you can argue till the cows come home, but in isolation at this time , but in isolation at this time, this is a budget. this is a good budget. >> say that the mirror >> when you say that the mirror front cover yesterday was absolutely decrying budget. front cover yesterday was abscautumnecrying budget. front cover yesterday was abscautumn statement budget. front cover yesterday was abscautumn statement sayingt. front cover yesterday was abscautumn statement saying was the autumn statement saying was absolutely the autumn statement saying was abswell,y that's the autumn statement saying was abswell, y that's the >> well, that's that's the mirror. and i think it's they're >> well, that's that's the mirrknow,j i think it's they're >> well, that's that's the mirrknow, they ink it's they're >> well, that's that's the mirrknow, they can't's they're >> well, that's that's the mirrknow, they can't what y're >> well, that's that's the mirrknow, they can't what can you know, they can't what can they can labour they do can any labour supporting paper or any labour supporting commentator come out now was good in any now and say that was good in any way? course they can't they way? of course they can't. they could cured child could have fixed and cured child cancer on thursday and they would have gone well. yeah do we just want to do that for children? >> that's almost certainly the case. okay. we're going to run >> that's almost certainly the case.the ay. we're going to run >> that's almost certainly the case.the telegraphioing to run >> that's almost certainly the case.the telegraph next.to run >> that's almost certainly the case.the telegraph next. the n with the telegraph next. the front cover saturday's front cover on saturday's telegraph. you've telegraph. paul, you've got this. do indeed. this. i do indeed. >> it's an interesting story. this i was unaware of this it was one i was unaware of before i read the paper for the show, relief quits show, comic relief chief quits over stance. so the chief over gaza stance. so the chief or the chairman is a guy called eric salama . i'm taking from it. eric salama. i'm taking from it. is that a jewish surname or am i just being too presumptuous? >> i thought you checked on

this. i didn't check on it. >> no, i believe it is. >> so no, i believe it is. i did. i did a cursory check and it wouldn't matter anyway. did. i did a cursory check and it vthein't matter anyway. did. i did a cursory check and it vithe principleer anyway. did. i did a cursory check and it vithe principle is anyway. did. i did a cursory check and it vithe principle is that ay. did. i did a cursory check and it vithe principle is that he >> the principle is that he wasn't >> the principle is that he wasyes. sorry. should have >> yes. so sorry. i should have said. should have said that at said. i should have said that at that bit last. really what's that bit last. so really what's happened is the comic happened here is the comic relief, number relief, along with a number of other the other charities, have taken the stance ceasefire now, which stance of ceasefire now, which is a political stance . you know, is a political stance. you know, charities are supposed to particularly national particularly large national charities relief are charities like comic relief are supposed relatively supposed to be relatively neutral , whatever really neutral, whatever that really means. however that's not really the story. the story is the charities managed to a charities managed to make a stance publicly without consulting a, the board, or b, the chair of the board, which is eric salama . eric salama. >> not just that, a contentious stance , a very contentious thing stance, a very contentious thing that they would they would irrespective of how they feel about probably should about this, they probably should have more cautious. have been a bit more cautious. right and i think, you >> of course. and i think, you know, you're charity, know, when you're a charity, the supporting lots supporting people, there's lots of types people of different types of people you're supporting. wrong. i don't it's don't think don't think it's i don't think in any way important for in any way it's important for them be involved in the debate. >> no. should should he have been consulted? louis >> shouldn't have happened.

>> this shouldn't have happened. they shouldn't they should have stuck you know, just stuck out of it. you know, just because they're a charity doesn't that they have to doesn't mean that they have to be every be involved in every single thing place, every contentious. >> but everyone does now. >> but everyone does that now. i mean, corporations involved mean, corporations get involved in political and in political things. ben and jerry's pontificating about uk immigration god's sake. >> e“- $- $— ? well , you know, sake. >> well , you know, killing >> yeah, well, you know, killing children diabetes . children with diabetes. >> so don't think they're >> so i don't think they're deliberately killing children, i should emphasise. >> think would with >> i think you would agree with you. doing my act because >> paul is doing my act because what am i doing? >> i i've been >> what am i doing? i've been reading lewis's notes actually, that we got time for in that is all we got time for in thisbut coming up, we a call >> but coming up, we have a call to abolish home office. more to abolish the home office. more controversy at bbc. a controversy at the bbc. and a police serious of police chief's serious error of judgement.

radio. >> welcome back to headliners . >> welcome back to headliners. your first look at saturday's newspapers . i'm andrew doyle. newspapers. i'm andrew doyle. i'm still here with paul cox, lewis schaffer as well, who's brought some of new merch brought some of his new merch along mug , a brought some of his new merch along mug, a lewis brought some of his new merch along mug , a lewis schaffer along a mug, a lewis schaffer .co.uk lewis schaffer coat. >> you can find it on my what's

on the lewis schaffer mug a picture presumably picture of you presumably a picture of you presumably a picture these are picture of me. these are fantastic. a picture of fantastic. it says a picture of l, fantastic. it says a picture of i, schaffer. it says the i, lewis schaffer. it says the death of love, save lives, eat meat. and then it says it says lewis schaffer, comedian, troublemaker. lewis schaffer, comedian, troublemaker . you're brilliant. troublemaker. you're brilliant. >> and what's your onlyfans details days? details these days? >> my only fans details is 3634. >> my only fans details is 3634. >> i, i dread to think what measurements you're talking about there. okay, we're going to start this section with this next story about the west midlands police. who's got this? >> this . sorry. just >> i've got this. sorry. just laughing merch west laughing at his merch. west midlands has been moved midlands police has been moved into special measures over a string of failings . the force string of failings. the force was also deemed not to be doing enough to keep vulnerable people safe, including domestic abuse victims, and failing to effectively manage the risk posed to the public by registered sex offenders and onune registered sex offenders and online child abusers. >> that sounds pretty damning . >> that sounds pretty damning. >> that sounds pretty damning. >> it is damning. i mean , this >> it is damning. i mean, this i'm actually quite relieved that they this is the way that the

police are being measured. right. because i have seen them dancing , kneeling, helping young dancing, kneeling, helping young muslim shapps down from from a statue . but what i've not really statue. but what i've not really seen is lots of talk about the effect of crime on victims. yes. and we've seem to have lost our way. the optics are terrible. i'm not i'm not suggesting for a moment that none of real policing going behind the policing is going on behind the scenes. many ways, whilst scenes. but in many ways, whilst this bad for what is this is a bad story for what is the largest police force the second largest police force in moved to on in the uk being moved to on measures, at least they're being measured least they're measured and at least they're being onto a plan to being put onto a plan to improve. yeah, i mean the trouble is that when you get protesters calling for a jihad and throwing fireworks the and throwing fireworks at the police of police and you've got videos of the absolutely the police doing absolutely nothing videos the police doing absolutely notviral. videos go viral. >> a video of a policeman solving helping solving a crime or helping someone in a difficult situation that's not going to go viral. we're not going to hear about it. are the police demonised because behaviour of because of the poor behaviour of a depends who's doing the >> it depends who's doing the demonising thing. mean, this demonising thing. i mean, this i don't why paul believes don't know why paul believes this because it's in the this story because it's in the telegraph. >> it's in the telegraph. >> it's in the telegraph. >> but that doesn't mean first

of mean it is a real of all, i mean it is a real story. but why do you believe of all, i mean it is a real stormajesty'sl do you believe of all, i mean it is a real stormajesty's inspectorelieve of all, i mean it is a real stormajesty's inspector of eve of all, i mean it is a real stormajesty's inspector of the his majesty's inspector of the constabulary and fire rescue? well, that their job, isn't constabulary and fire rescue? welewis,t their job, isn't constabulary and fire rescue? we lewis, to their job, isn't constabulary and fire rescue? we lewis, to investigate sn't constabulary and fire rescue? we lewis, to investigate the it, lewis, to investigate the police, not investigate, but to monitor the police. the truth is, the police lie and they tell the truth . and this is. this is the truth. and this is. this is the truth. and this is. this is the big police . so which side do the big police. so which side do you believe you believe in the local why you local police? and why do you believe and know, i have no believe and you know, i have no idea you're saying. believe and you know, i have no ideithe you're saying. believe and you know, i have no ideithe police�*re saying. believe and you know, i have no ideithe police liesaying. believe and you know, i have no ideithe police lie andig. believe and you know, i have no ideithe police lie and tell the >> the police lie and tell the truth. they do. >> have to i know nothing >> so you have to i know nothing about the thing with about and this is the thing with you, paul and me. i know nothing. i don't know. i can tell you whether the police and the are okay, but we the met police are okay, but we don't know if this this gave no examples of the kind of thing i mean, just just for clarity, this is not me endorsing either of these things. >> me reading the story and >> it's me reading the story and then the public it is you. >> is you. you're saying >> it is you. you're saying you're the midland you're saying the west midland police should put task police should be put to task pole we can't be sure . pole when we can't be sure. >> so think that's a good >> so i think that's a good point . it's a >> so i think that's a good point. it's a point, point. it's not a great point, but i mean, the problem is obviously just casting aspersions about veracity of

aspersions about the veracity of the which does the story, which he does with every story. >> ultimately, not >> yes. ultimately, that's not helpful just helpful because >> let's just helpful because the who are watching the people who are watching say that about anything. >> that, know, >> i could say that, you know, you're a comedian. if i you're not a real comedian. if i wanted. a housewife. you wanted. he's a housewife. you know that doesn't get know? i mean, that doesn't get us lewis it get us anywhere. lewis it does get us anywhere. lewis it does get us buy the premise of us to buy into the premise of the which talking the show, which is us talking about the stories in the newspaper. i'm just saying, newspaper. i'm not just saying, oh, it's probably true. it's newspaper. i'm not just saying, oh, about'obably true. it's newspaper. i'm not just saying, oh, about'obaideath true. it's newspaper. i'm not just saying, oh, about'obaideath of ue. it's newspaper. i'm not just saying, oh, about'obaideath of love.�*s all about the death of love. >> you and you >> andrew, you hired me and you said to want to said to me, i want you to undercut the premise of the show. >> i cannot believe that for a minute. >> no, you're like, and now you're all angry at me. you're getting all angry at me. people are going to like you people are not going to like you when role in when you don't play your role in i'm not being liked i'm happy with not being liked just gave this just because you gave me this tie. you you just because you gave me this tie.you you can get away >> you think you can get away with anything? >> oh, that's a good point. >> oh, that's a good point. >> gave me this tie the show >> gave me this tie on the show the day, which looks the other day, which looks like a don't want to anything. >> don't want to say anything. i don't want to say anything. >> ridiculous. i'm moving on. right. is the times right. so next is the times demand for security guards has soared high street soared among high street retailers a billion retailers to combat a £1 billion shoplifting used retailers to combat a £1 billion sh be ifting used retailers to combat a £1 billion sh be ift shoplifter. used retailers to combat a £1 billion sh be ift shoplifter. what's used retailers to combat a £1 billion sh be ift shoplifter. what's you ed to be a shoplifter. what's you know what i never was? >> those >> i wasn't one of those shoplifter. thought shoplifter. i always thought i was to get caught. and i'm

was going to get caught. and i'm the kind of guy who would caught. >> you were not >> so you were only not a shoplifter out of fear. >> out total fear. >> out of total fear. >> out of total fear. >> i'm not a shoplifter. out of morality. that morality. why do you try that for a change? >> because, you know, look. look what lewis what it's gotten you. lewis schaffer and you are schaffer is beloved and you are a guy and people are a lovely guy and people are turning you. third person turning on you. third person again. is the point again. the point is the point of this this is one big this story is this is one big this story is this is one big this surge in demand for this is a surge in demand for comedy. not going to say the comedy. i'm not going to say the name company security comedy. i'm not going to say the nameit's company security comedy. i'm not going to say the nameit's written|pany security comedy. i'm not going to say the nameit's written on 1y security comedy. i'm not going to say the nameit's written on the acurity after it's written on the screen. after it's written on the scre so. after it's written on the screso yeah, yeah. it doesn't m atter. >> matter. >> maybe. maybe the times got paid no they didn't. >> there is there is a genuine problem with shoplifting in the country and there is. means country and there is. it means people their people are paying more for their products because why does this story come have me on story have to come have me on the title? >> it could have come from a police agency, which is a trusted police agency. the fact is, is that people is, the fact is, is that people are shoplifting. there's a sense of in the country. of lawlessness in the country. and what this is this is one great big public relations ad for this company. >> well, be that as it may , >> well, be that as it may, paul >> well, be that as it may, paul, there is a problem with shoplifting . i mean, this the shoplifting. i mean, this the

co—op have said that they've had 300,000 incidents of shoplifting abuse and violence just this year. abuse and violence just this year . and, in fact, the year. and, in fact, the chairwoman of john lewis has said that people are being handed a license to shoplift . said that people are being handed a license to shoplift. is that right? i mean, is she implying that the police just don't do enough combat this ? don't do enough to combat this? >> think she's >> well, i think she's absolutely and i think absolutely right. and i think the themselves mean, the police themselves i mean, i don't just don't know if this is just i don't know if this is just i don't know if i'm just buying into rhetoric into some sort of rhetoric that's on twitter or that's out there on twitter or whatever at the whatever i'm reading at the time. does feel the time. but it does feel like the deterrent for shoplifting has been even hear like been removed. we even hear like this country or the us that a certain under a certain limit people won't be arrested $300 or £200 or whatever it might be. >> in new york, it's $1,000, which incredible , isn't it? which is incredible, isn't it? >> i mean, can a lot for >> i mean, you can get a lot for $1,000. you need whole trolley $1,000. you need a whole trolley load still won't get in load and you still won't get in trouble. >> e“ m >> go in there, do a supermarket, sweep, go out with a worth of stuff. what can a $999 worth of stuff. what can you you? you do? touch you? >> and whilst is >> and i think whilst this is a slight brag from the from slight humble brag from the from the ceo of this company mightier who who were doing very well out

of it. they're doing very well out of it because we just don't have the numbers to police this stuff. it's not it's not the police don't want to and i don't normally in this normally find myself in this position of defending police position of defending the police twice . however, twice in a row. however, what could do? twice in a row. however, what couis do? twice in a row. however, what couis a do? twice in a row. however, what couis a societal problem ? how >> is it a societal problem? how have we to instil decent have we failed to instil decent morality? it wouldn't occur to me to shoplift because i was raised well . louis only doesn't raised well. louis only doesn't do because scared of do it because he's scared of getting but do you getting caught. but. but do you think that there is issue think that there is an issue with morality and actually with morality and that actually we to be re we just need to be re cultivating that sense of societal responsibility ? societal responsibility? >> that's what you know, you're a christian. i don't think it's morality. i think i think that a few shoplifters should be brought in the back and killed killed, killed. so you think pubuc killed, killed. so you think public executions of shoplifters is a deterrent ? is the way as a deterrent? >> know what? >> do you know what? >> do you know what? >> what's deterrent. >> i mean, i think that's very elizabethan yes. i don't elizabethan of you. yes. i don't think elizabethan times there think an elizabethan times there was very crime. was very little crime. >> there >> are you joking? no, there was very little crime. absolutely. >> factually , 100% wrong. >> factually, 100% wrong. >> factually, 100% wrong. >> you something ? no, it >> do you know something? no, it does. i'll tell you what i know.

>> i'm going to say he does. >> i'm going to say he does. >> london was pretty lawless at the time. anyway, we're going to move now to the daily mail, move on now to the daily mail, the been engulfed in the bbc has been engulfed in another paul, another antisemitism row. paul, what's another antisemitism row. paul, whtthis is another honestly fury >> this is another honestly fury as bbc journalists are banned from attending antisemitism march despite many colleagues going on pro—palestinian rallies . so insiders have said staff were told that the march would not fall under a description of a loud events that are commemorated or celebrate. celebrate free. was that the rule then? >> so they can't bbc staff can't go on any marches that are commemorative or celebratory, but they can go on. they can go on proper mark steyn marches. >> of this is anecdotal >> so a lot of this is anecdotal , it's unclear whether they , so it's unclear whether they were an a policy were told that's not an a policy then? so the policies then? no. so the policies are always according always been in place, according to it's to this article. however, it's not in this article whether and we do know that bbc people went to pro—palestinian marches. yes. although anecdotal, it's pretty much. >> they might have been >> but they might have been breaking law, not the law. breaking the law, not the law. >> they could have been told

this. so, it be unfair this. so, so it would be unfair for this point, no, for me to say at this point, no, they were told it and broke the law. however the fact that they're on them now they're coming down on them now now this now just seems ridiculous. this is the bbc is another clanger from the bbc to absolute clanger . to me. absolute clanger. >> well, if they have a blanket rule that bbc staff can't go on protests that have any kind of political element them , you political element to them, you know, fair to then know, is that fair to then attack them in this way? what do you think, lewis it is fair because i don't think because something was not done about the pro—palestinian demonstrators . pro—palestinian demonstrators. >> right. they weren't questioned. so if they turned a blind eye to that, they should turn a blind eye to this. but the truth is, here's what the problem is. the problem is this is the state media. is is the state media. this is owned supposedly people. owned by supposedly the people. our to pay for our tax dollars goes to pay for this. the british people's tax dollars for this. if dollars go to pay for this. if this a private company, this was a private company, they could whatever they to could do whatever they want to do. private do. but it's not a private company. money taken company. it's the money is taken by theft. it's forced. it's by a power of the gun , the law. you power of the gun, the law. you have to pay it. if you don't pay it, we're going to put you in

jail. and so and so the bbc, the bbc, there's no place for the bbc, there's no place for the bbc in today's modern. >> well, this was just an opportunity for you to rant about the bbc. but. but in terms of the story, paul, i mean , of the story, paul, i mean, look, it would have been quite a good thing for the bbc good thing maybe for the bbc strategically , given the strategically, given the repeated accusations of their pro—palestinian bias , to pro—palestinian bias, to actually say, okay, an anti—semitic march, that's a good thing. let's be seen to be there. right. >> and was there >> exactly. and there was there was an opportunity here. now, there course, rules and there are of course, rules and we for the we can park that just for the purpose the discussion and purpose of the discussion and debate it's own debate they had. it's an own goal debate they had. it's an own goal. just it just goal. again, it just it just seems ridiculous . just say we seems ridiculous. just say we support pro testing, we support march, we support free speech. and therefore, if our people feel within themselves, they need to do this, they should be free to do so. >> you do realise you've scuppered your chance of a job at the bbc if ever it happens. >> you know what? i've spent >> do you know what? i've spent 23 waiting them. >> do you know what? i've spent 23 yeah.waiting them. >> do you know what? i've spent 23 yeah.wai'they're them. not >> yeah. so they're probably not coming are they? basically, coming now, are they? basically, if watch this which if they watch this show, which i'm don't, let's move

i'm sure they don't, let's move on telegraph now. richard i'm sure they don't, let's move on is telegraph now. richard i'm sure they don't, let's move on is saying graph now. richard i'm sure they don't, let's move on is saying theih now. richard i'm sure they don't, let's move on is saying the home. richard i'm sure they don't, let's move on is saying the home office rd tice is saying the home office is for purpose. lewis, is not fit for purpose. lewis, any thoughts on this? >> this. i love and >> i love this. i love it and i love this guy. abolish the home office. abolish the office office. abolish the home office over migration failings. say richard tice is the richard tice richard tice is the reform leader. he works right here and the best looking here and he's the best looking presenter that we have. excuse me. i'm sorry. i'm sorry. that's not what you were saying to me before when you gave him the tie. >> yeah, i have. i have to say, i've got to keep my job. >> i'm sorry. i'm just hoping flatter everyone to get what you want. i don't even the want. oh, i don't even know the guy, he's. don't know the guy, but he's. i don't know the guy, but he's. i don't know the guy, but truth is, guy, andrew. but the truth is, what saying is that they've what he's saying is that they've let in 745,000 immigrants last yean let in 745,000 immigrants last year, and this year it's probably going to be more. and so it's not fit for purpose. so they should close. i love it. >> well, actually, you know what he's saying is we need a new department. he's saying is we need a new deimmigration. got of immigration. he's got a point. remember we had this point. you remember we had this story the other day about the whistleblower, the whistleblower at the home office, who's basically saying, whatever the government at government decide, the staff at the because they're government decide, the staff at thepro—immigration,ause they're government decide, the staff at thepro—immigration,ausejust('re so pro—immigration, will just do their stymie them. yeah.

their best to stymie them. yeah. and that stuff is and make sure that that stuff is not in fact implemented now. richard are we need not in fact implemented now. ricidepartment we need not in fact implemented now. ricidepartment immigration, the department of immigration, which should be staffed by people who believe the cause people who believe in the cause of independence. of sovereign independence. i actually that actually don't think that matters. i think you just need staff their i staff that will do their job. i don't care what they believe. >> because you're >> well, exactly. because you're not mean, the not going to be i mean, the process of trying to choose those type of people is pretty problematic like those type of people is pretty protsay,atic like those type of people is pretty protsay,atic know, like those type of people is pretty protsay,atic know, they've like those type of people is pretty protsay,atic know, they've gotike you say, you know, they've got a job to if you if you've ever job to do. if you if you've ever been a civil you know been a civil servant, you know that got to and that you've just got to pay and you servant. you have been a civil servant. i have. you've got to pull the have. and you've got to pull the party you've got party line and you've got i mean, at the end of the day. right. what's happening here is, by of success, by their own measure of success, the office are doing the home office are doing brilliantly last 25 the home office are doing brillié since last 25 the home office are doing brillié since tony last 25 the home office are doing brillié since tony blair. 25 the home office are doing brilliésince tony blair. the years since tony blair. the policy been behind policy has really been behind the sometimes up the scenes and sometimes up front many people into front to let as many people into this possible this country as possible to boost economy and it has failed. >> so maybe need failed. >> so maybe they do need to aboush >> so maybe they do need to abolish home office and get abolish the home office and get something or change something in its place or change its remit. right. okay. well, that's two. coming that's it for part two. coming up, fake eye images, up, we've got fake eye images, the unattainable american dream and the official anthem for laboun and the official anthem for labour. stay tuned

radio. >> welcome back to headliners, your first look at saturday's newspapers . we're going to start newspapers. we're going to start this section with the sun for sky i this is something we've covered a few times. who's got this? louis >> i guess i do. how fake i images and hamas propaganda indoctrinating a generation as they spread on tiktok and x and this is about dirty tricks and bots and tiktok and an and it's about like i say it's about this kind of there's two wars going on there's the war for the hearts and minds of the world which israel is losing because people are believing this stuff and they're showing it wouldn't matter anyway. >> because what's really interesting this stuff. interesting about this stuff. yeah fake interesting about this stuff. yeaiimages fake interesting about this stuff. yeaiimages to fake interesting about this stuff. yeaiimages to pretend fake interesting about this stuff. yeaiimages to pretend that fake eye images to pretend that things happening things are happening in the war that happening. but even that are not happening. but even when seen quite when things are seen quite blatantly, like for instance, when things are seen quite blatimage, ike for instance, when things are seen quite blatimage, the for instance, when things are seen quite blatimage, the cctv;tance, when things are seen quite blatimage, the cctv from ., when things are seen quite blatimage, the cctv from the the image, the cctv from the hospital you saw hostages hospital where you saw hostages being dragged injured being dragged through, injured with guys with kalashnikovs and eveni with guys with kalashnikovs and even i think a kind of a meat

cleaver or something. and then you had journalists sort of saying, well, saying, oh, well, there's nothing they're nothing to see there. they're just treatment , just taking them for treatment, as if i this is utterly ridiculous. >> it it was like sketch >> it was it was like a sketch from the far show. it was it was great. i mean, the thing about al and ai is terrifying. you and i agree because and agree on that because and i start to feel older when i see stuff like this because i think we need to hark back to a time when for ourselves, when we thought for ourselves, yeah, it's very 1990s of yeah, i know it's very 1990s of me, but there was a time pre—social media when would pre—social media when you would read a few things you would have access to limited of access to limited amount of information you'd make information and then you'd make your up based on you your own mind up based on you can't be there anymore. so the trouble is we rely entirely on social media but we shouldn't. >> we have to be bit more >> we have to be a bit more sceptical about this stuff, particularly sceptical about this stuff, particula show couple of images sceptical about this stuff, patherla show couple of images sceptical about this stuff, pathe aishow couple of images sceptical about this stuff, pathe ai generated|ple of images sceptical about this stuff, pathe ai generated images.nages of the ai generated images. absolutely harrowing. and you know, the thing is about know, and the thing is about this is, is people react this stuff is, is people react to it and even when things are ultimately proven to be wrong, proven false , people then proven to be false, people then say it's the damage has been done. yeah >> and it's representative of what's, you know, some sort of

he's got the six fingers on his hands. >> yeah. and this isn't that's not not real. not it's not real. >> can i put can i put a positive spin on it because otherwise i'm not going to be able go sleep and maybe able to go to sleep and maybe the people aren't going to be able to go to sleep and maybe the pto ple aren't going to be able to go to sleep and maybe the pto go aren't going to be able to go to sleep and maybe the pto go to en't going to be able to go to sleep and maybe the pto go to sleep. ing to be able to go to sleep and maybe the pto go to sleep. is] to be able to go to sleep and maybe the pto go to sleep. is the be able to go to sleep and maybe the pto go to sleep. is the more able to go to sleep. is the more they spread images of horror that's being done in gaza to the more other countries are saying maybe we don't want to mess with israel and the jews as much as we used to . we used to. >> the problem with it is, lewis, is that all war has horrific images, right? all war is absolutely horrible. and the difference today is that a lot of it is captured on smartphones. et cetera. >> but that's not the point that i'm making. >> i'm moving you away. to >> no, i'm moving you away. to a better point. i think. but but i think the better point that i was making was actually to do with fact that, you know, with the fact that, you know, this was always going to be inevitable. it can always be inevitable. and it can always be images always images of this kind can always be used paint side be used to paint the other side as whatever might be. as evil or whatever it might be. >> but remember that israel has to agencies. have us to order agencies. they have us who are money to them and

who are giving money to them and support ing israel. and then and then have to win a pr then they have to win a pr battle as as a war. well, battle as well as a war. well, you know what? i think what they're thinking is, you know what netanyahu said, what it's like netanyahu said, we live in tough neighbourhood what it's like netanyahu said, we lthey're tough neighbourhood what it's like netanyahu said, we lthey're tough neshow»urhood what it's like netanyahu said, we lthey're tough neshow the 30d and they're trying to show the people this is people i'm not saying this is the right thing. it's the the right thing. it's not the right thing my mind, but right thing in my mind, but they're show their they're trying to show their neighbours, with us. neighbours, do not mess with us. >> well , what do neighbours, do not mess with us. >> well, what do think? >> well, what do you think? >> well, what do you think? >> i there's a sub story >> i think there's a sub story to this as well because they mentioned they mentioned tiktok a lot. they also twitter . yes, also mentioned x twitter. yes, but mentioned but tiktok gets mentioned a lot. and reason it does is and the reason it does is because and because it's chinese owned. and there theory . i wouldn't there is this theory. i wouldn't say a conspiracy at all. say it's a conspiracy at all. there's they are there's a theory that they are propagating this stuff because they towards the they lean towards the palestinian argument and they want america. well, want to undermine america. well, it could be. >> certainly have >> and certainly there have been a stupid comments a lot of stupid comments by young nothing young tiktok users, but nothing new. really . we're going new. there really. we're going to now guardian. to move on now to the guardian. this is a lots of luvvies getting involved in the climate debate again. goodness. debate again. oh, my goodness. >> academics >> actors and academics criticise the over climate criticise the uk over climate madness and limits on protests.

now now this is emma thompson. stephen fry, ben okri , ben okri stephen fry, ben okri, ben okri and having joined the former archbishop canterbury, canterbury rowan williams and leading climate scientists to highlight what they describe as a collective act of madness that is driving the destruction of . is driving the destruction of. well, they want the crux of the story actually , is that in the story actually, is that in the most controversial recent cases to just stop oil activists and one called morgan and one called marcus, of course, were given jail terms of three and two years respective plea was that for breaking the law? yes, it was for breaking the law. and it's for blocking a motorway. so this is people this isn't because this has got nothing to do i have do with their cause. i can have the valid of cause, but if the most valid of cause, but if i taking my clothes off i start taking my clothes off now and running around naked in the studio, there going the studio, there are going to be repercussions. the studio, there are going to be repercuzyoms. the studio, there are going to be repercuzyou should do to demonstrate. >> yeah. thank you, andrew. perhaps mean, one perhaps i should. i mean, one thing but if thing i would say no, but if they law, you know, they break the law, you know, they're taking hammers to works of art. >> t smashing m

>> they're smashing things up. they're from >> they're smashing things up. they're to from >> they're smashing things up. they're to hospital, from >> they're smashing things up. they're to hospital, which from >> they're smashing things up. they're to hospital, which cann getting to hospital, which can cause fatality. if you break the law, prison. i'm law, then you go to prison. i'm sorry, peaceful protest. i sorry, but peaceful protest. i mean, support mean, look, i would support anyone's peaceful anyone's right to peaceful protest, hated the protest, even if i hated the cause. but but criminality cause. but but the criminality is criminality, right? >> i couldn't agree more. there is and authors is a i think actors and authors and scientists is the answer to the question who have we learned to ignore the most in the last three years? interesting, because , you know, i'm kind of because, you know, i'm kind of fed up now. i mean, i've always loved stephen fry. stephen fry is someone i've always really admired, recent years admired, but in recent years become part of this for me, become part of this blob for me, thatis become part of this blob for me, that is just continually telling people like myself and anyone else happens to have else who happens to have a different view of this argument that we might be stupid in some way what we're preventing is way and what we're preventing is good and others good people like him and others from saving the earth. >> do you think about this, >> what do you think about this, lewis? i mean, the other hand lewis? i mean, on the other hand , know, peaceful protest is , you know, peaceful protest is a and there i've a key factor. and there i've certainly been very critical of the tory government trying to push clamping down on push through or clamping down on peaceful protest in what i see as being quite a sort of

authoritarian move. so we do have to strike a balance, don't we? right peaceful protest, but not a right criminality. not a right to criminality. >> you know what? this >> yeah, i you know what? this is like a no brainer to me because as it just it's just a sense of lawlessness . yes. sense of lawlessness. yes. >> do you think that celebrities should be writing these open letters or do you get a bit sick of it? i think they should be writing open letters and we can choose not to their films if choose not to see their films if we want to. we don't want to. >> though i have personally we don't want to. >> withugh i have personally we don't want to. >> with stephen/e personally we don't want to. >> with stephen fry.arsonally we don't want to. >> with stephen fry. yes,|ally worked with stephen fry. yes, lovely emma lovely guy. work with emma thompson was amazing. >> she worked with them all. >> she worked with them all. >> all >> i've worked with them all because a celebrity. because i'm a celebrity. >> you're like one of those old theatrical dames, you oh, theatrical dames, you know? oh, darling, coward. me darling, i knew noel coward. me and you. and noel, that's you. >> sound like. >> that's what you sound like. they able. the they should be able. but at the same time, if you're going to break the law, you should be punished. there's no punished. otherwise, there's no fun it. fun in it. >> there we go . lovely message >> there we go. lovely message there. on the daily mail. there. now on to the daily mail. lewis, do you still believe in the dream? the american dream? >> oh , it's come true for you. >> oh, it's come true for you. >> look at where you are >> yeah. look at where you are right baby. >> yeah. look at where you are rigii baby. >> yeah. look at where you are rigii am. baby. >> i am. >> i am. >> i'm on tv. was on tv in

america. these people don't know that nothing in america that i was nothing in america anyway . you nothing. anyway. you were nothing. >> less than nothing. >> you were less than nothing. look you're a hero. look at you now. you're a hero. no i could no millions of people i could have been something in america. >> have been. i was on >> i could have been. i was on american tv, then i just american tv, and then i just thought i met this girl next thing a bruce springsteen. >> you always blame your ex—wife. it's amazing. ex—wife. yeah, it's amazing. >> she did. i have to blame her. she country . she lured me to this country. >> what's the story, louis? >> what's the story, louis? >> story is not so thankful >> the story is not so thankful anymore. only 36% of voters think dream is think the american dream is still attainable. does the voters , in damning voters in america, in damning indictment us under biden? >> no. but isn't the american dream idea that anyone can dream the idea that anyone can achieve they want as achieve whatever they want as long they hard enough, long as they work hard enough, which has never been true, but but still, people believed it but still, people believed in it and in the morning and it got you up in the morning and it got you up in the morning and could be and it could be true. >> were of success if >> there were lots of success if there in there were people in this country. doesn't work in this country. it doesn't work in this country. it doesn't work in this country you you can country because you can you can never king. but does it never become king. but does it work america either? never become king. but does it wori america either? never become king. but does it wori mean,arica either? never become king. but does it wori mean,arica ei'seen death of >> i mean, you've seen death of a know about willy loman. >> that isn't about that's >> that isn't about that. that's about who is a loser. about a guy who is a loser. and he was he was he was personally a loser. it wasn't about the death dream. no.

death of the american dream. no. and the way and that was the way i interpreted exactly. that's interpreted it. exactly. that's why it. it wasn't why everybody does it. it wasn't about screw arthur miller. about that. screw arthur miller. it's that i know. it's the only play that i know. anyway. you're no, anyway. anyway you're mr no, you're plays. you're naming plays. these people don't. >> wrote the crucible, >> he also wrote the crucible, which you'll with. >> f- w— e and i read i read a >> i did. and i read i read a very interesting treatise about the and, you the crucible in a book. and, you know more than you're letting on. you , you had to get on. so tell you, you had to get your own little in there your own little book in there and book that i bought. but and the book that i bought. but and the book that i bought. but and it it's a great book. >> a great book. thank you >> it's a great book. thank you very much. >> a great book. >> it's a great book. >> it's a great book. >> anyway, i'm not going plug >> anyway, i'm not going to plug my not louis my stuff. i'm not louis schaefer. about i mean, schaefer. tell me about i mean, come louis, think come on, louis, do you think i'll tell you the simplest thing that people need know? i'll tell you the simplest thing thaamericayple need know? i'll tell you the simplest thing tha america ise need know? i'll tell you the simplest thing tha america ise nemost know? >> america is the most optimistic country in the world. america stuff america believes in stuff like that. is the that. we think america is the greatest country in the world. we think it's unlimited opportunities. but then we go through periods where we think, no, it's the opposite of that. we think everything is horrible and everything is bad. and at the moment they're going pessimistic phase. >> yes , it is. >> yes, it is. >> we're a bipolar country.

>> we're a bipolar country. >> we're a bipolar country. >> we we're i'm paul is that biden's fault? >> partly. and i think it does coincide with democratic presidents. yes. if you look throughout history after nixon, people more miserable under people are more miserable under the the thing the devil. the thing is, a democratic president is much more slightly more likely to be slightly anti—american to see america on the back foot be on. and think the back foot be on. and i think that's a i think that's the product of that. i mean, if you needif product of that. i mean, if you need if you're not going to have a you're gonna have a dream, you're gonna have a dream come true. louis but at the the day, biden the end of the day, if biden represents is represents the dream, this is a man can't negotiate stairs man who can't negotiate stairs and wouldn't himself and wouldn't recognise himself in course, in the mirror. then of course, you're have you're going to. if you have years and years of that being represented you and your represented as you and your dream and this is what you're going to end up with. >> poll like dream. it's >> a poll like dream. it's a nightmare, isn't it, on the telegraph. now, this is a sir keir he's chosen telegraph. now, this is a sir keirus he's chosen telegraph. now, this is a sir keirus anthem he's chosen telegraph. now, this is a sir keirus anthem as he's chosen telegraph. now, this is a sir keirus anthem as what:hosen telegraph. now, this is a sir keirus anthem as what he sen telegraph. now, this is a sir keirus anthem as what he says is the us anthem as what he says is what labour's labour's anthem. >> he says it sums up the labour party, sir keir starmer has chosen a european union's official anthem as the song, as he believes it sums up the labour party perfectly. beethoven's ode to joy, as we

probably already know, was adopted by the eu as its official anthem and then became the song a favourite of our friends , the remainers. now of friends, the remainers. now of course he did , i think sir keir course he did, i think sir keir starmer is a bit of a plank. er. okay. i'm not going to. he absolutely is a plank. i don't know where he stands. i don't know where he stands. i don't know what he stands for. he's flopping the wind like flopping around in the wind like an sock and my biggest fear an old sock and my biggest fear for the future is not that we have a labour government. my biggest fear for the future in britain is that we reignite this disastrous rejoin , join brexit disastrous rejoin, join brexit type argument. >> he was the architect of the people's vote. the idea that labour wanted to go back to the voters and say, oh, you got it wrong last time, which proved to be disastrous. so we know he's a big fan of the but he has big fan of the eu, but he has ruled out going back into it and we his defence he we should say in his defence he didn't final movement didn't choose the final movement of symphony of the of beethoven's symphony because the eu an anthem. because it was the eu an anthem. he chose it because he likes it for other reasons.

>> and that's a good point because the song has been around longer than any the longer than any of the movements, wasn't. longer than any of the mo itments, wasn't. longer than any of the molt wasn't wasn't. longer than any of the molt wasn't written wasn't. longer than any of the molt wasn't written beethoven >> it wasn't written beethoven wasn't write wasn't commissioned to write it for the eu in the same way that things only get better by things can only get better by dream written for tony dream wasn't written for tony blair. was. blair. actually, it was. that was the one exception blair. actually, it was. that wathis the one exception blair. actually, it was. that wathis rule. the one exception blair. actually, it was. that watbutrule. the one exception blair. actually, it was. that watbut it.e. the one exception blair. actually, it was. that watbut it it's the one exception blair. actually, it was. that watbut it it's fascinating. aption >> but it it's fascinating. i mean, i can't see us rejoining europe anyway now. i mean, it's gone far, right? >> lewis, any thoughts ? >> lewis, any thoughts? >> lewis, any thoughts? >> my thoughts is they could have a better song for them. >> what % have chosen >> what would you have chosen under my thumb, under my rolling stone simply for the devil could have been a better song for the for for the keir starmer. >> no. >> no. >> what about what about pump up the jam? yeah. which would have been corbyn's jam. >> no , because the fact that >> no, because the fact that they did what song did they choose? >> which is a song which is a pro—european song. and that's what beethoven was all about. it was all about not about europe. he says he didn't choose it for that reason. >> he said it was because, you know, you have he said got >> he said it was because, you k|sense)u have he said got >> he said it was because, you k|sense of have he said got >> he said it was because, you k|sense of destiny. said got >> he said it was because, you k|sense of destiny. hugely got a sense of destiny. hugely optimistic. that's what he said. >> that's what he said.

>> yeah, that's what he said. the truth is, team world, those people care britain. people don't care about britain. there go . there we go. >> we're okay. so we're ending this with another one this part with another one of lewis's catchphrases . but coming lewis's catchphrases. but coming up the final section , we up in the final section, we discuss major change in the discuss a major change in the brit awards, being brit awards, academics being forced retire, and one of forced to retire, and one of life's biggest mysteries. why did the chicken cross the road ? did the chicken cross the road? see you in

welcome back to headliners. your first look at saturday's newspapers . we're going to start newspapers. we're going to start this section with the telegraph and academics being forced to retire . retire. >> paul yes, nobel prize winner leads cambridge protest over academics being forced out in prime of their lives. 67. >> they're forced to return. >> they're forced to return. >> yes. this is ridiculous . oh, >> yes. this is ridiculous. oh, i don't know. but forgive me. a nobel prize winner is leading the cambridge revolt over a rule

that forces academics to retire at 67, despite being in the prime. it says of their lives. >> well, i think they sort of are. >> i mean, the thing is, when we think the prime of our lives, we're not talking about their fecundity, we're not talking about their ability reproduce about their ability to reproduce or we're talking or anything. we're talking about we're academics or anything. we're talking about we're generally academics or anything. we're talking about we're generally get demics or anything. we're talking about we're generally get smarter and they generally get smarter as they get older. >> yeah, absolutely. mean , >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, wisdom age . we seem wisdom comes with age. we seem to have a bit of a problem with ageing people in in the modern world reason are too world for some reason are too costly slow or whatever costly or too slow or whatever they might be. but one thing they might be. but one thing they will offer us is a life experience and a wisdom. i wanted to make loads of jokes wanted to make a loads of jokes about people being 67, but outrageous. >> louis, you look wonderful now , louis, what do you think about this? because i knew and i knew an academic who was forced out at the age of 67, and he was sharper than anyone else i'd ever met. and i felt it was ever met. and i just felt it was a massive injustice. surely when it to an intellectual it comes to an intellectual pursuit, aren't people who pursuit, these aren't people who are of, you know, are asking to sort of, you know, carry big like planks of wood

around of around the place or hods of bricks. talking bricks. yeah, we're talking about entire about people who entire profession about thought. profession is about thought. and, you know, frank kermode was writing brilliant books on shakespeare up to his 80s. so why are we getting rid of him? >> think because we need to >> i think because we need to make space for young people. no, we don't . we don't. >> i think that's probably the thing . one thing that does thing. one thing that does surprise me is there's no retirement in is retirement age in the uk, is there? i there's no there? i mean, there's no retirement in the why there? i mean, there's no reti they nt in the why there? i mean, there's no reti they forcing n the why there? i mean, there's no reti they forcing people why there? i mean, there's no reti they forcing people outlhy there? i mean, there's no reti they forcing people out at i are they forcing people out at i think probably is. think it probably is. >> what was >> what was what lewis was saying they blood . saying was they want new blood. >> and know, what they want >> and you know, what they want to is they want to replace to do is they want to replace them with their. probably . them with their. yes, probably. probably. oh, my god. and you know , and the vaccine didn't know, and the vaccine didn't kill enough of them. >> okay . what lovely, lovely >> okay. what a lovely, lovely sentiment . okay. we're going to sentiment. okay. we're going to go to on the guardian now. 17th century noblewoman . what's this century noblewoman. what's this about? so this is conservators . about? so this is conservators. >> remove. kylie. kylie jenner treatment from 17th century portrait. what does that mean ? portrait. what does that mean? so what's happened here is the portraits of a lady called diana

cecil, who is a relation of lord cecil, who is a relation of lord cecil of whatsit. it's escaping lord burning. yeah, there we are. and so, according to engush are. and so, according to english heritage, a painting within the charities collection known as the jacobean beauty has been found to have received a so—called kylie jenner treatment. >> so they've restored what the painting originally was . we can painting originally was. we can have a look at it. >> i think basically, i mean, it's a bit unfair that kylie jenner here, they plump the lips up, as you can see a little bit. and they've lowered the hairline. >> you can see that actually, >> so you can see that actually, because which is because on the right, which is the original there, the original portrait there, she's you she's she's looking a bit, you know, ordinary, bit know, well, a bit ordinary, bit ordinary. on the other ordinary. and then on the other side, she's a hot minx, side, she's she's a hot minx, absolute babe. >> mean, it's very difficult absolute babe. >> me ean, it's very difficult absolute babe. >> me ea|sitt's very difficult absolute babe. >> me ea|sitt's ve and fficult absolute babe. >> me ea|sitt's ve and notjlt absolute babe. >> me ea|sitt's ve and not just for me to sit here and not just there, i mean, we're there, but i mean, we're obsessed change, aren't we, obsessed with change, aren't we, humans? mean, we've the humans? i mean, we've the original was created. it was changed because the fashion of beauty and the eye, the way people look at beauty, was seen to be different. and we've looked at that now and gone, oh, we need to change it back.

>> i think portraits are supposed people as supposed to represent people as they cromwell they were. i mean, cromwell cromwell and cromwell said he wants warts and all. get the all. that's where we get the phrase from. you know? so, lewis, what did you think of the improvement that is improvement to that painting? is it to women? it offensive to women? >> think when >> i think i think when something is done 200 years ago and painting from and on a painting that was from 400 ago, you just leave it 400 years ago, you just leave it be. it's like to i went be. it's like i went to i went to i think i went to leeds castle, is down not castle, which is down not nowhere leeds. and had nowhere near leeds. and they had they building built up and they had building built up and that's these castles the buckingham a perfect buckingham palace is a perfect example where have building example where they have building built . you don't built upon building. you don't sit saying, we to sit there saying, we want to take away the go back to the original, go back to the original. to be fair, though, i think these changes are in think these changes are made in the century something the 18th century or something likeso it's maybe it's anyway, >> so it's maybe it's anyway, look, we haven't got much time, so on. next so let's move on. this next door is daily star. why did so let's move on. this next door is chicken daily star. why did so let's move on. this next door is chicken cross star. why did so let's move on. this next door is chicken cross the '. why did so let's move on. this next door is chicken cross the road? did the chicken cross the road? >> yeah, reasons the >> louis yeah, reasons why the chicken the road. chicken crossed the road. revealed as i claims, bird would probably m1. is probably die on the m1. this is their okay? their thinking, okay? and i think chatbox chat bot barred, which is an ai intelligence was done by donald trump. you are we were discussing why did the

chicken cross the road. yes on now we're tv show on the dinosaur our extra yes extras we were but this this i mean they're talking here about how this is a they finally solved the riddle. >> it's not a riddle. it's joke. >> yeah, it's a joke. it's not. it doesn't require a solution. >> no, it doesn't. and should >> no, it doesn't. and i should stay no, you go. stay out. sorry. no, you go. you're in a stream. there you're in a full stream. there i needs to stay out of comedy. >> comedy? >> comedy? >> absolutely. we don't need answers to comedy. no, it needs to be nonsensical. there was no chicken . there was no road. chicken. there was no road. >> and moreover, i don't know. i don't want know why the don't want to know why the chicken cross road is more interesting don't his interesting if we don't know his motives. but that was our discussion. motives. but that was our dis> yes, there is. there has to be a chicken that joke should be taken that there is chicken. >> well, we're not going to get into louis, why into that now, louis, why did the chicken cross the road? >> because he was being bullied by his father. because he was scared. cat. scared. scaredy cat. >> like, that's what the claims. >> very quickly, we've got this final father. final was my father. >> my father doing that. >> this is the daily mail. bbc bosses under fire. what's this, paul? >> bbc doctors explores furry

culture. now doctors for those who is a daytime soap who don't know is a daytime soap opera elderly people and opera for elderly people and comedians . daytime soap shows comedians. daytime soap shows how teenager who dresses up as a teddy bear is thrown out by his grandfather who calls him perverted. yeah but i watched the clip and i thought it was a satire because they're taking all the tropes of the gay coming out experience and applying it to applying it. >> wants to dress up as a bear? >> @ there t mere >> yeah, there he is. >> yeah, there he is. >> mean, ridiculous . >> i mean, that's ridiculous. and then they go to a bar where all people are . sat around all these people are. sat around dressed that. yeah and dressed up like that. yeah and they're treating it like a big dressed up like that. yeah and they�*rightslting it like a big dressed up like that. yeah and they�*rights issue. like a big dressed up like that. yeah and they�*rights issue. it's; a big dressed up like that. yeah and they�*rights issue. it's an big dressed up like that. yeah and they�*rights issue. it's a bloke civil rights issue. it's a bloke in costume . give me break. >> that's such a good point. >> that's such a good point. >> then. >> but then. >> but then. >> but then was. it was in >> but then he was. it was in there. >> they are. that's the that's the bar. the furry bar. >> know, people are >> you know, those people are not . not oppressed. >> no one's ever been oppressed for wanting to dress up as bugs bunny i thought a bunny because i thought it was a metaphor homosexuality , too. metaphor for homosexuality, too. >> i thought >> i that's what i thought the was. >> it the show comes >> it comes the show comes across anti gay satire. across as a anti gay satire. yeah. it comes across as just mocking gay people for to mocking gay people for having to come it's the same

come out because it's the same as to out a as going to hang out with a bunch dressed as bears. >> you know what it could be? >> do you know what it could be? because they put quotation marks around furry culture. you would put that gay who put that around gay culture who knows? trans culture. >> all we've time knows? trans culture. >> the all we've time knows? trans culture. >> the show. we've time knows? trans culture. >> the show is'e've time knows? trans culture. >> the show is nearly time knows? trans culture. >> the show is nearly over,e for. the show is nearly over, but let's have another quick look at saturday's pages. look at saturday's front pages. so leading so the daily mail is leading with want an end to the with we want an end to the stealth tax. the times has at last freedom for sun. that's about the hostages. we don't have the images. i'm sorry , due have the images. i'm sorry, due to issue, but i can to a technical issue, but i can tell the headlines. the tell you the headlines. the guardian war is paused while guardian has war is paused while 24 the 24 hostages are freed. the telegraph has a comic relief chief quits over gaza stance and the daily express de mestre's joy the daily express de mestre's joy over precious present of life and the daily star running with a story about stockton. that's all we've got time for. but thanks ever so much to my wonderful paul cox and wonderful guests, paul cox and lewis lewis lewis schaefer. lewis i apologise i was a bit curt to apologise if i was a bit curt to you earlier, but you did deserve it. we're the same time it. we're back at the same time tomorrow when lewis will return with steve with nicholas de santo and steve n if you're watching n allen. and if you're watching the am, please do the 5 am, repeat, please do stay tuned because now it's time

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by welcome to the andersons real world tonight on the show, we've got the former labour mp denis macshane. >> we also got the editor of capex. that's alice demby. she's on the show for the first time. well, the trade unions andy macdonald is his second time on the show. looking forward to seeing him. we've got the seeing him. and we've got the former gb olympian and world champion swimmer foster. champion swimmer mark foster. and great tonight. we've and a great guest tonight. we've got towie towie, whatever got the towie towie, whatever that tv star junaid that is. reality tv star junaid ahmed. but first, let's go to the . news

the. news >> good evening. your top stories from the newsroom. as you've been hearing today. 13 israeli hostages released by hamas are back in israel. that's to according the israel defence forces. the israeli military has said this evening it's preparing for the next stage of the gaza operation. these pictures show the hostages being transferred in red cross cars via the rafah crossing . this evening, more aid crossing. this evening, more aid is being allowed into gaza, which is expected to continue due over the coming days. there was also a further group of thai hostages released by hamas following separate mediation efforts by egypt and qatar. those released today include 13 israelis, some of whom had dual nationals. ten thai citizens and a filipino national. qatar's foreign ministry says 39 palestinian men, women and children have also been released from israeli prisons as part of the deal. a temporary pause in fighting came into force this morning, which is expected to last for four days. mark galit

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