miller. the premise mcclatchey miller. the premise of the show is simple. each host gets 60s assault outlining their argument about a chosen topic , argument about a chosen topic, and then we're all pile in and the fur starts to fly. and of course, we want to know your views as well. get in touch by email and gbviews@gbnews.com. but before we start tearing each other apart, it's a saturday night news with . aaron hello there. >> very good evening to you aaron armstrong here with your latest headlines from the gb newsroom. the delay to the second release of hostages held by hamas may have been resolved following intervention by egypt and that's the latest and qatar. that's the latest report from the reuters news agency . now, earlier, report from the reuters news agency. now, earlier, hamas accused israel of violating the terms agreement terms of the truce agreement that it said israel was not letting aid trucks into northern gaza. letting aid trucks into northern gaza . so hamas called a halt to gaza. so hamas called a halt to proceedings. but now we

understand that 13 people will be freed from captivity in gaza at some point tonight. they'll be handed over to the red crescent . egyptian authorities crescent. egyptian authorities are waiting, though , right there are waiting, though, right there at the picture. you can see now at the picture. you can see now at the picture. you can see now at the rafah border crossing for the transfer of those hostages to take place . now, in return, to take place. now, in return, israel has agreed to release 39 palestinian prisoners from the west bank. that's part of the deal brokered by qatar. it is the second of a four day pause in fighting. and the delay? well, we don't know how long now it will take, but we will keep an eye on it and bring you the latest as soon as we get it here at gb news. meanwhile, a four year old girl released yesterday after being held by after being held captive by hamas told father she hamas has told her father she dreamed coming home at. dreamed of coming home at. raz. asher her two year old sister , asher her two year old sister, aviv, and her mother, doron , aviv, and her mother, doron, were reunited with yoni asher, the four year old's father, on friday that was the first stage of the israel a hamas hostage

deal. of the israel a hamas hostage deal . a 24 people were released , deal. a 24 people were released, a number of them taken to schneider children's hospital, where authorities say they've been responding well to medical treatment . meanwhile police have treatment. meanwhile police have arrested two people on suspicion of supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation. officers took the action as tens of thousands of people demonstrated at a pro—palestine march in central london. a police say one suspect was seen in trafalgar square wearing a green headband with white arabic script on it . with white arabic script on it. he had several more in his possession . another protester possession. another protester was earlier arrested on suspicion of inciting racial hatred. he was seen carrying a placard with nazi symbols on it . placard with nazi symbols on it. the former police officer convicted of murdering george floyd has been stabbed at a prison in arizona. that's according to reports in the united states . it's understood united states. it's understood derek chauvin served moved the attack by another inmate on friday, but has been seriously injured. it comes days after the supreme court rejected his appeal. supreme court rejected his appeal . the supreme court rejected his appeal. the 47 year old argued he did not receive a fair trial .

he did not receive a fair trial. mr chauvin is currently serving multiple sentences for george floyd's floyd's death in 2020, which led to widespread protests against police brutality and racism . and tonight's expected racism. and tonight's expected to be the coldest of the autumn season so far, with subzero temperatures across large parts of the country . it comes after of the country. it comes after many areas experienced their first frost of the year as temperatures were well below freezing across northwestern england . and in the south, england. and in the south, temperatures could dip to minus seven at rural parts of wales. well, it could be somewhere around the region of minus four. the met office also says snow could well fall next week . with could well fall next week. with is gb news. we're on tv digital radio and on your smart. speaker two that's it for me for the moment. now it's over to the . moment. now it's over to the. saturday five. it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. >> it might be cold outside,

folks, but i'll tell you what, it's not going to bite as much as it will in this studio. i can promise you're in for a very lively let's crack on with lively hour. let's crack on with tonight's first debate. kicking us off with his take on this week's record immigration figures. it's connor tomlinson. take it away, connor . take it away, connor. >> yeah. new ons figures show a record net migration . number of record net migration. number of 672,000 people entering the uk this year. that's about 1.2 million legal, plus about 30,000 boat migrants who broke into the country. the uk has seen more immigration action in the last 25 years than between the norman conquest of 1066 and the second world war. now, you can't just blame hong kong and ukraine for this 10% humanitarian this because 10% of humanitarian visas knocked off. the visas have been knocked off. the total in the last year, about 250,000 of these are new indian arrivals. last i checked, a country that wasn't at war. so why isn't the government willing to reduce numbers when the british voted for british public has voted for that election for the that in every election for the last decade ? because last decade? it's because they're all costs they're committed at all costs to seeing the gdp line grow up .

to seeing the gdp line grow up. how do you grow an economy? you either grow productivity you either grow productivity or you grow population since grow the population well, since the has the 1990s, productivity has stagnate and net zero is ensuring that all of our energy bills keep going up. so that's clearly not the plan. the problem is babies having problem is no babies having babies. the demographic pyramid is inverting. britain's birthrate below 1.5 children birthrate is below 1.5 children per woman. replacement rate is 2.1. we saw 200,000 fewer births than people turning 50 last yeah than people turning 50 last year. we're going to reach a 50% retiree to worker ratio without importing low wage workers. there's going to be nobody staffing institutional care. so the plan seems to be battery farm, everyone from everywhere until according to a recent arc report, the uk becomes 54% first generation immigrant by 2083 are all young people to selfish or frightened by climate to change have kids? well, though 50% of women in the uk reach 30 without any children, 92% when polled by the new social covenant unit said that actually they want them. it'sjust said that actually they want them. it's just economic pressures and anxieties about the future that causing them the future that are causing them to delay. and if things don't

change by 2050, 800 million people are going to have wanted to have children but never have them why i bring this them. now, why do i bring this up? immigration is contributing to rates . to have a to low birth rates. to have a family, you need a house and migrationwatch found that by 2046 you're going to need to build new cities. the size of build 18 new cities. the size of birmingham accommodate birmingham just to accommodate for arrivals . we for new migrant arrivals. we just can't keep pace with the rate of change, personal tragedy and economic catastrophe is going to await us if this goes on. beyond material on. and beyond material arguments , sense belonging arguments, a sense of belonging is necessary . it matters. people is necessary. it matters. people don't want to bring children in the civilisation that they don't recognise. when the world on your doorstep is changing at a dizzying is against our dizzying rate, it is against our wishes. move, our wishes. we didn't move, but our country like somewhere country looks like somewhere else. unlike the else. and unlike the new arrivals , british have no arrivals, british people have no other go to. can't other home to go to. this can't go people polling found 53% go on people polling found 53% of the british public want a five year moratorium on all migration, so less migrants , migration, so less migrants, more babies and a britain that the native population can believe again . believe in again. >> well, connor, i'm afraid to

say that you look somewhat short on this panel, but i think it's for the most part, it's absolutely right that we're not having enough babies and everything. he said there, even you couldn't possibly disagree with. >> i mean, i know i've put some weight on, but i'm not having a baby. >> i didn't think that was maternity clothing. >> yeah, dressed like a >> yeah, i'm dressed like a jockey. look, the point i'd jockey. but look, the point i'd make that i think there's make is that i think there's a real level of dishonest party about government at the about the government at the moment we've had these moment because we've had these figures. i'd point figures. first of all, i'd point out when david cameron came into office, get office, he said, we'll get immigration tens of immigration to the tens of thousands. triple the thousands. it's triple the numbers he inherited from numbers that he inherited from the last government. so the last labour government. so that it in context how much that puts it in context how much things gone up . but that puts it in context how much things gone up. but i think things have gone up. but i think there's a dishonesty in line there's a dishonesty in the line that government the that the government took in the last days because they last couple of days because they say this isn't an acceptable figure, it's high. we must figure, it's too high. we must get well, i don't think get it down. well, i don't think it's accident that you it's an accident that you had these as business these numbers as business leaders groups leaders and groups that represent forecast represent economic forecast numbers have consistently said that we have areas of the economy like lorry drivers, like health workers, social health care workers, social care, where we don't have enough

staff those jobs, and that staff to do those jobs, and that they're going to struggle to function without immigrant laboun function without immigrant labour. think an labour. and so i think it's an intentional strategy that they've people in they've brought these people in and i also would say that's a pretty good defence you pretty good defence that you might like the immigration might not like the immigration numbers, that numbers, but i'd rather that than not be able to than see my nan not be able to looked after or a pub not looked after or have a pub not be able to open at the weekends because it doesn't have any bar staff. because it doesn't have any bar stafokay, so there's about 5000 >> okay, so there's about 5000 doctors that doctors every year that leave the and work abroad. the uk and go and work abroad. so we should be focusing on retention there, particularly because quality care of because the quality of care of a uk is far better than uk doctor is far better than someone up in malaysia someone trained up in malaysia with different credentials. someone trained up in malaysia witthat different credentials. someone trained up in malaysia witthat afferent credentials. someone trained up in malaysia witthat affererhighlyentials. so that is a very highly educated country. just educated country. okay. i'm just on point, connor, are you on that point, connor, are you aware one the reasons aware that one of the reasons why net migration figures why the net migration figures are this year because are so high this year is because there have been much less emigration from uk other countries? >> was about seven. so >> there was about seven. so actually seeing we're actually we're seeing we're seeing more british people stay in that is one seeing more british people stay in the that is one seeing more british people stay in the reasons that is one seeing more british people stay in the reasons why that is one seeing more british people stay in the reasons why the it is one seeing more british people stay in the reasons why the numbers of the reasons why the numbers are so high this year. i think only 84,000 british people returned from temporary stays overseas, is it's overseas, but the point is it's still up and not a

blip. >> it's actually just an exponential trend. and and exponential trend. and so and you economic you brought forward economic arguments. i mean, there's of course, there are business leaders lobbying the leaders that are lobbying the tory party. 25% of the government's property government's donors are property developers. of course, they developers. so of course, they have keep have an incentive to keep pressure housing market. pressure on the housing market. there of jobs there are loads of ghost jobs that up to that they keep putting up to keep manufacturing consent for bringing in more people and suppressing but suppressing native wages. but again, an economic again, it's not just an economic argument. about do people argument. it's about do people feel here and we feel they belong here and did we ask this cultural change? feel they belong here and did we ask tit'scultural change? feel they belong here and did we ask tit's still ral change? feel they belong here and did we ask tit's still happening. no. and it's still happening. >> can i point out i mean, >> can i just point out i mean, i least two of us on this i at least two of us on this panel i at least two of us on this panel, my grandparents came here from canada, albie's grandparents came here from i'm not country was it? not sure which country was it? >> ghana. >> w- 5 know whether. >> ghana. i don't know whether. lois, have. lois, you have. >> a native scot, so >> well, i'm a native scot, so if you that to be an issue if you make that to be an issue of migration. >> no, but but when you talk about belonging, would just about belonging, i would just suggest know, suggest that, you know, there's an lot of people here that suggest that, you know, there's an wouldn'tof people here that suggest that, you know, there's an wouldn't even)ple here that suggest that, you know, there's an wouldn't even note1ere that suggest that, you know, there's an wouldn't even note toe that you wouldn't even note to be from an immigrant background that are they've managed to that are and they've managed to integrate don't even integrate because you don't even nofice integrate because you don't even notice the large number of >> and the large number of people i mean, on, people haven't. i mean, come on, go to areas of london. go to certain areas of london. they are ethnic enclaves. they

are. it's unpleasant. it's are. and it's unpleasant. it's noti think this is not only >> i think this is not only about migration. and i to about migration. and i want to draw out you said about draw out what you said about women's we often tout women's choice. we often tout this choice this country as a pro choice country, but suddenly that ends when actually have when women actually want to have children. want don't children. 8% of us want don't want have children, but 1 children. 8% of us want don't want have children, but1 in want to have children, but 1 in 5 will 45 without having a 5 will reach 45 without having a child. that detrimental child. and that is detrimental to our are our aspirations as women, but also seeing our women, but also our seeing our loneliness across loneliness rates go up across this country. a third of households are now single occupant. and occupant. this is not good. and healthy our society. we're healthy for our society. we're meant people who thrive in meant to be people who thrive in relationship, in families, and yet funnelled into yet we are funnelled into a system we are to get system where we are meant to get our and worth from our meaning and worth from corporate jobs. just corporate jobs. it's just not good our health as nation. >> i'm a little bit unsure of the link between people needing to babies and you to have more babies and you being anti—immigration, to be honest. both honest. i mean, they're both perfectly points, perfectly reasonable points, but i don't understand i just don't understand how they're related. and also one of they're related. and also one of the which have the things which i think we have to we've actually seen to accept is we've actually seen migration after brexit migration triple after brexit wasn't point of brexit wasn't the whole point of brexit to lower migration. but to have lower migration. but then saw boris johnson with then we saw boris johnson with priti patel as home secretary, then braverman as home

then suella braverman as home secretary, liberalised immigration rules into this country and we've seen we've seen net migration of three quarters of a million this year in a post brexit government because economy needs these workers. >> and that's why i think the government is dishonest. well, let's come back to that. >> well, treasury >> well, okay. the treasury green book says a minimum of 200,000, but when certain people that contributing that are contributing to tory policy asked, if it policy were asked, well, if it said would you have said a million, would you have any at any arguments against it at conservative conference? conservative party conference? they said no. so they're jettisoned the cultural jettisoned all of the cultural considerations british considerations which british people about. this people actually care about. this is why the tories losing, is why the tories are losing, because everyone always votes for when they for the conservatives when they say want to lower net say they want to lower net migration successive migration and successive governments it. migration and successive govealsoznts it. migration and successive gove also there it. migration and successive gove also there are it. migration and successive gove also there are not. it. migration and successive gove also there are not. every it. and also there are not. every immigrant is made equal. right? you're averages immigrant is made equal. right? yo terms averages immigrant is made equal. right? yo terms of averages immigrant is made equal. right? yo terms of what averages immigrant is made equal. right? yo terms of what immigrants s in terms of what immigrants immigration brings to the country. are certain country. there are certain countries and certain immigrants that a disproportionate that bring a disproportionate amount of money. but for example, somalians example, when 72% of somalians who the are on social who are in the uk are on social housing, would be hard pressed housing, i would be hard pressed to say that that is a contribution we want bring contribution we want to bring in. immigrants in. not all immigrants are created equal. >> great irony in giving >> it's a great irony in giving

the example of somalia, because i think they have about the highest birth going. and highest birth rate going. and you how we need to you talk about how we need to have birth rate, have more natural birth rate, natural, are people natural, but these are people that come here settled. that have come here settled. >> don't have the same >> they don't have the same culture. they do not culture. they don't they do not have same they have. have the same culture they have. >> it's not unusual >> you know, it's not unusual for them to have 5 to 10 kids. i care about the culture of my country and the continuity that's handed down. >> don't think all >> benjamin, i don't think all people exactly the same. people are exactly the same. >> well, sister's done her >> well, my sister's done her bit has nine bit because she has nine children. on her, she children. good on her, so she will satisfy needs for this will satisfy your needs for this country. from country. but that's it. from that. darren going to that. now, darren is going to tell geert wilders win in tell us why geert wilders win in the netherlands is brexit 2.0 and the elites ought to watch out. yeah, rare move. out. yeah, it's a rare move. darren's talking about immigration. right. let's have natter >> right. let's have a natter about unfolding in about what's been unfolding in dubun about what's been unfolding in dublin shall we? dublin this week, shall we? picture innocent irish picture this innocent irish burns outside school. burns just outside the school. no what's about to hit no clue what's about to hit them. the alleged them. get stabbed. the alleged culprit in this crime and algerian national this . is the algerian national this. is the kind of gut wrenching news that should have all of us down and tools gabon non—stop about the state of our streets across the

west , across europe. but what do west, across europe. but what do west, across europe. but what do we get instead? well, we get political and the media in ireland rather than soothing a pubuc ireland rather than soothing a public rightly spooked, are banging on about slapping hate crime laws retrospectively on the so—called far right spectre . the so—called far right spectre. they'd rather wag fingers at this phantom menace than face up to the elephant in the room . to the elephant in the room. mass migration. it's the pet project that they've been pushing on, and now they're turning a blind eye to its consequences . and i'll bet you consequences. and i'll bet you my last quid that folk are more scared stiff about their kids being knifed or their neighbours being knifed or their neighbours being offed than some riled up protest. and then there's this kerfuffle over geert wilders getting elected in holland . getting elected in holland. you'd think that the world had ended more fuss over that than the safety of our kids, than the very fabric of our communities. they're being ripped apart. i say wakey wakey, it's time to

stop skirting around the bush and tackle these thorny issues head on. it's net zero, it's mass migration, it's lawlessness , it's a replacement of democracy for elite technocracy that swept the likes of wielders to power for the west deserves better than this hush hush and sidestepping by the powers that be. and what about us, right? what about us here in blighty? vote labour and you're signing up for unbridled immigration. chuck your vote at the tories. and what do you get? same old, same old. they're just two sides of the same wrinkly old behind. it's as plain as the nose on your face. no matter how thick our ballots, the thin skinned bigwigs in westminster aren't moving a muscle on policy. so you're worried about builders getting in power in europe? mark my words , this is a big blink my words, this is a big blink and sign. can you see it yet ? if and sign. can you see it yet? if you thought brexit shook things

up, brace yourself . what's up, brace yourself. what's coming next is going to blow the roof off. benjamin butterworth have even you woken up to the fact that actually we're just not having it anymore? and that you lot need to wake up and smell the coffee? >> i mean, look, if you look at the other right wing populists of his ilk who have been elected, like in hungary, like in the us, they've been incredibly ineffective. once they into power. so i they get into power. so i wouldn't get your hopes up for this, some sort of revolution . this, some sort of revolution. but what i would say donald trump was ineffective in power. incredibly, orban, you incredibly, viktor orban, you literally all argued the in the pages of the guardian and other papers , and i forget which one papers, and i forget which one you write for and the fact of the matter is , you said that we the matter is, you said that we were in the throes of fascism, that he was so powerful that he was changing the state before our very eyes. >> now you say he's ineffective. make your mind up. >> no, no. i think donald trump absolutely fascist. he has absolutely is a fascist. he has fascistic intentions in the way

that he tries to undermine the courts the media. the courts and the media. but the point wasn't very good at point is, he wasn't very good at it. often it. and these people often aren't because populism is based on people a dream that on selling people a dream that bears little relation to the bonng bears little relation to the boring hard work of solving a lot of these problems. now i would just also point out that , would just also point out that, you know, geert wilders is almost in a different league to donald trump because this is a guy who, you know, you had the muslim ban in america. this guy has said he wants to ban the quran and ban mosques in the netherlands . do you defend that? netherlands. do you defend that? >> well, point is, actually, netherlands. do you defend that? >:youell, point is, actually, netherlands. do you defend that? >:you find point is, actually, netherlands. do you defend that? >:you find those tl is, actually, netherlands. do you defend that? >:you find those kindsictually, netherlands. do you defend that? >:you find those kinds ofjally, if you find those kinds of policy proposals. no, no, no. and that's so deeply offensive , and that's so deeply offensive, then you actually need to start listening people. listening to the people. >> question the question. >> question the question. >> , look, in my opinion , >> well, look, in my opinion, those kinds of views wouldn't be voted for in this country. but if you don't start listening to actually what people like me are saying, which i think is perfectly reasonable , then are perfectly reasonable, then are you saying we should ban the quran? dawood who's saying that in this country, geert wilders

was supporting that policy. >> ben was trying to ask me whether or not you endorsed that policy. believe you endorse policy. i believe you endorse that or not in free speech. >> so i'm perfectly happy for people to read whatever it is that they want i'm not that they want to read. i'm not perfectly for the kinds of perfectly happy for the kinds of views we've seen again, on views that we've seen again, on the streets of in being the streets of london in being parroted jihad parroted in the name of jihad and intifada. i'm actually vehemently against that. so if you're me if i support you're asking me if i support islamism, no is the answer. >> that's not what he discusses. yes, he does. it's not. he wants to ban islam. and i think that's incredibly know , incredibly dangerous. you know, we know what happened when people do that to jews people tried to do that to jews and the jewish faith. and i don't it makes okay to don't think it makes it okay to don't think it makes it okay to do another country. do it in another country. >> attacks, any >> any terror attacks, by any chance? a quick question. chance? just a quick question. >> not saying that that's >> i'm not saying that that's acceptable. i'm saying that. no, no, that's false conflation. no, that's a false conflation. >> don't try that. >> so don't try and do that. well, hang on. don't do that. >> one is more a victim of >> no one is more a victim of islamist terror than muslims. right. to right. so the idea of trying to actually no, it's the it's the european that didn't european populations that didn't need be need those terrorists to be there. are you saying all there. but are you saying all muslims terrorists? what are

muslims are terrorists? what are you saying? >> i'm saying that you >> no, i'm saying that if you mass import muslim mass import the muslim populations the populations from around the world share the same world who do not share the same views as liberal democracies like the the netherlands, like the uk or the netherlands, you're to bring you're going to bring in terrorists then inflict terrorists who then inflict unnecessary crimes on the people that were that live there. there were there in europe that live there. there were there muslim in europe that live there. there were there muslim migrationurope that live there. there were there muslim migration of pe that live there. there were there muslim migration of the before muslim migration of the ira . ira. >> yes. >> yes. >> and i'm saying hang on, hang on. yeah. that's a domestic terror i'm not saying terror problem. i'm not saying christians. saying very terror problem. i'm not saying chrisl'mis. saying very terror problem. i'm not saying chrisl'm not saying very terror problem. i'm not saying chrisl'm not sayingsaying very terror problem. i'm not saying chrisl'm not saying thatg very terror problem. i'm not saying chrisl'm not saying that there few. i'm not saying that there is soul problem, that is a soul problem, that terrorism localised to the terrorism is localised to the muslim am saying you muslim world. i am saying you would not get banned. >> irish people 30 years ago. >> irish people 30 years ago. >> half irish, you morons. >> i'm half irish, you morons. >> i'm half irish, you morons. >> but that's the argument >> no, but that's the argument you're you're you're making. i'm not. you're saying these people saying you import these people that our values, so that don't like our values, so you throw them out. you should throw them out. >> connor is saying that actually, that we've actually, the fact that we've got outside of got concrete bollards outside of christmas markets because christmas markets isn't because of the irish. >> yes, but if you went back 30 years, you could make all those points you just made. >> were wartime, >> if we were under wartime, then i be fair to say, then i would be fair to say, saying no blacks, no gays, no dogs, no irish. you're just escalating insane train escalating up an insane train now, because you seem think >> not because you seem to think that should ban the quran

that you should ban the quran and islam in the way that and ban islam in the way that the new dutch prime minister echoes. >> you should have ideological prescriptions immigration. >> you should have ideological prescripti0|are immigration. >> you should have ideological prescripti0|are importing ion. >> you should have ideological prescripti0|are importing people and if you are importing people from islamist nation that and if you are importing people from forlamist nation that and if you are importing people from for example, :ion that and if you are importing people from for example, want1at and if you are importing people from for example, want to would, for example, want to throw tower block, i throw you off a tower block, i don't want to bring them here. and the clearly don't want and the dutch clearly don't want that either. >> well, till you find out >> well, wait till you find out what catholic church thinks. what the catholic church thinks. >> you surely agree >> i'll be. you surely agree that the scenes that we've seen again every weekend again today and every weekend since the 7th, are since october the 7th, there are things that actually back things that actually don't back our they? our values, do they? >> not. but i think >> of course not. but i think one of the most disturbing things of these things about a lot of these protesters they're they're protesters is they're they're sort of young people are sort of young people that are around these are around our age. these are sort of and third generation of second and third generation migrants, people like me, whose parents immigrants. these parents were immigrants. these are espousing are british people espousing these views. and what do you do with lois, just briefly, >> what lois, just briefly, i mean, do you agree with the sentiment that actually if the political class wake political class don't wake up, then to get then they are going to get another shock and that's what it takes, potentially. >> i think you to >> and i think you have to concede, benjamin, as well, that the people turn to the reason why people turn to these alternatives, which you think rogue , is because think are so rogue, is because there's enough space within there's not enough space within there's not enough space within

the mainstream class to the mainstream elite class to have about things have conversations about things that are concerned that people are concerned with and will them away and that will turn them away from mainstream group. so from that mainstream group. so i think has be the lesson . think that has to be the lesson. if you're looking at this politically, think all politically, i think all religions are redundant and hopeless, i don't think hopeless, but i don't think you should just like should ban islam, just like i don't you should ban the don't think you should ban the anglican church. don't think you should ban the angokay. church. don't think you should ban the angokay. right.. don't think you should ban the angokay. right. still come, >> okay. right. still to come, benjamin be asking, benjamin is going to be asking, will ever build anything will britain ever build anything again? talks why again? and lewis talks about why young want to ban the young people want to ban the bible. but next up, albie is going to delve into why anti—semitism needs to stop being taken seriously. because of the very fact that it's taken less seriously than other forms of racism . you're with the of racism. you're with the saturday five live on . gb news saturday five live on. gb news on mark dolan tonight. >> in my big opinion , cyclists >> in my big opinion, cyclists think the highway code doesn't apply to them. it's time for bikes to have a registration number so they can be accountable. at last it might take at ten the bbc licence fee is predicted to reach almost

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1,350. 1,350. british jews feel unsafe to walk the streets of our towns, towns and cities. there's extra security that has had to be hired at synagogues, jewish schools, jewish shops. people are just not able to live their lives safer . we have large their lives safer. we have large scale protests in our major towns and cities every weekend where protesters are holding up anti semitic signs. there was even reports of a nazi sign at a protest today in london. in fact, someone was arrested for exactly that today . this is exactly that today. this is acceptable in modern britain in 2023. we could you imagine for one second if this was another ethnic group, could you imagine if there were large scale protests every week where there were people standing up were people standing holding up anti black slogans, anti asian slogans, being openly racist on the streets of england? it just would not be tolerated . so why would not be tolerated. so why is it that we tolerate it for

british jews? why is it okay for anti—semitism but not other forms of racism? it's totally wrong . now, our national wrong. now, our national broadcaster , the bbc, which broadcaster, the bbc, which i often defend, has done something absolutely reprehensible . absolutely reprehensible. there's a march against semitism tomorrow and the bbc have banned their staff from attending over impartiality rules. now, their staff from attending over impartiality rules . now, could impartiality rules. now, could you imagine if the bbc had banned their staff from going to the blm protests? could you imagine ? would that have ever imagine? would that have ever happened? no it would never have happened. these double standards have got to stop this is in the same week that top bbc sports pundh same week that top bbc sports pundit gary lineker shared a tweet which likened what is going on in israel and gaza to the holocaust . it absolutely the holocaust. it absolutely shamed full. the double standards have got to stop. we've got to call out racism wherever we see it. and we have got to iron out the scourge of anti—semitism from british society . we darren, why do you society. we darren, why do you think it is that anti—semitism is more tolerated than other forms of racism in britain? i

think that there is a definite feeling by certain people that actually there they are, the almighty power , that they've got almighty power, that they've got weapons, they're able to defend themselves. >> the idea that they're somehow a nation state that's well equipped to deal with these challenges, the state of israel, i mean, but when you consider that the world's only jewish state that is surrounded by hundreds of millions of people who don't like it very much, you sort of it puts that into perspective . and i think on the perspective. and i think on the point you raised there about the bbc, there's also the bbc have said, i'll be that they won't call what's been going on on our streets this to be related well to one to be naked anti—semite ism but also to call what happened on october 7th a terror attack which it was which it was . and they were i listened to radio four the other day because someone told us to, not because

out of choice. i'll tell you that much free. and they they described what happened in new zealand where you had that shooting by this nazi and they described it as a terror attack . described it as a terror attack. and i thought, well, hang on a minute. if the bbc can describe that as a terror attack, why is it that when it comes to jews, they find it totally inappropriate idiot to use that language ? language? >> that's really interesting point you raised about the bbc ban. i know you're another bbc fan. i don't like taking parts at the bbc for no reason, but i think the way that they have behaved has been reprehensible. do think it's right that do you think it's right that they're banning from they're banning their staff from going protest tomorrow? going to this protest tomorrow? >> there's some precedent going to this protest tomorrow? >>this there's some precedent going to this protest tomorrow? >>this because some precedent going to this protest tomorrow? >>this because some preof dent on this because a couple of years ago, had a story that years ago, i had a story that was director had was the director general had banned them from going on pride marches they want marches because they didn't want them anything about them involved in anything about them involved in anything about the trans question. they then relented when a lot of relented on that when a lot of gay staff that don't even work in current affairs or news said this is not fair. you know, this is a reasonable part of my existence outside of work. i

suspect that they're going to have to go through that same process with because as you process with this because as you know, it's clear that there have been for the been people that work for the bbc have been those bbc that have been on those pro—palestine marches or however you phrase it. but being you wish to phrase it. but being jewish is someone's racial identity, someone's religion. the that they can't stand the idea that they can't stand up that you know, up against that hate, you know, the that any company would the idea that any company would ban their employees doing ban their employees from doing that would completely wrong. that would be completely wrong. and point your and the other point on your monologue having monologue about the left having a it? well, the a problem with it? well, the labour as is, is in a labour party as it is, is in a is in a good place on this issue because it's had to fight it though it is because it had to get rid of so many anti—semites that were in the labour party. kidding me. the people that are left are very sensitive to the topic that in keir topic and you see that in keir starmer, who as i always pointed out, the starmer's you know, will first jewish family will be the first jewish family in in 100. in downing street in 100. >> how many frontbench resignations labour resignations did the labour party have? resignations did the labour pari'have? resignations did the labour pari don't? resignations did the labour pari don't think saying that >> i don't think saying that they over a ceasefire they resigned over a ceasefire is same as saying were is the same as saying they were an shah was on an anti—semite. naz shah was on the bench and she said the front bench and she said that israel should 51st that israel should be the 51st

state united states state of the united states because they control their foreign budget. well, now, foreign aid budget. well, now, shah by the board shah was praised by the board of depufies shah was praised by the board of deputies course deputies for going on a course to about what the to learn about what the anti—semitism. she went on, reflect on. >> got it. >> got it. >> if the board of deputies took her apology, i think benches that issue that resigned over that issue that resigned over that issue that said that keir starmer was wrong. >> do wm- wrong. >> do think that? they >> why do you think that? they said was wrong, hang on, said he was wrong, but hang on, that about ceasefire, that was about a ceasefire, which as the which isn't the same as the question about an anti—semite. >> and i think it's unreasonable to conflate two like that. to conflate the two like that. >> want to get lois in on this >> i want to get lois in on this for a second. what do you say to people who say that jewish people who say that jewish people visibly ethnic people don't look visibly ethnic minority, racism minority, so therefore, racism doesn't ask them doesn't count to them? ask them to second to look to take half a second to look into textbook? into a history textbook? >> course. but, you know, as >> of course. but, you know, as you were reflecting in your monologue, was thinking about monologue, i was thinking about poor braverman who having poor suella braverman who having you publicly you know, written publicly about this standards this problem of double standards and policing has and two tiered policing has sadly of the sadly been chopped out of the government. she was government. but she was absolutely is a two absolutely right. there is a two tiered standard tiered policing standard that cuts this you cuts through this state. you just number of just look at the number of arrests take place or don't arrests that take place or don't take place when people say extremely controversial , well,

extremely controversial, well, anti—semite or glorify terrorism on the streets. but, you know, you then on another week or even the same week, you'll see stories come out on the press about people, you know, being arrested for praying silently inside heads . how can we inside their heads. how can we live in a society that treats two ideologies so two different ideologies so differently? we need to have a clear standard of policing the uk government has a particular sensory line which i have often criticised , but if we are criticised, but if we are applying censorial laws, well we please take them evenly across all hate crimes have increased against jews by 1,350. >> darren, are you the kind of person that thinks we don't need hate crimes and actually we should just we should scrap those kinds of legislation altogether? >> well, do need hate crimes >> well, do we need hate crimes laws? i mean, obviously not. >> useful in >> no, they're not useful in this in this scenario about legislation. >> but actual hate crimes. no, no . 110. >> no. >> i mean i mean i mean the concept of crime. concept of hate crime. >> there lots of people who >> there are lots of people who disagree of disagree with the concept of hate crime. say we don't hate crime. they say we don't need crimes because it's

need hate crimes because it's already a crime. >> i interviewed a broad caster, a historian in 2020, in the summer of black matter summer of the black lives matter riots and i was given a non—crime hate incident on my name against my name for doing that interview for aaron and broadcasting that interview. now do i think that those sorts of things are laudable and worthy of being kept about on the statute book? no i don't. i think that they are a damn disgrace and lead to the kind of perverse incentives that lois mentioned just now. so there is clearly a fine line between standing up and saying we need muslim armies to call for intifada and jihad and say that like they did outside the sydney opera house and other places, even going as far as to say we need to kill jews. that is blatant incitement and is illegal and ought to remain illegal, but may interviewing someone that says something controversial, i don't think ought to be classed as illegal oil. i think it ought to be challenged in wider speech and

debate as a robust society ought to be able to do so. there is the difference that i would make , and i'm sure you would agree with that, connor, where the line has just clearly gone far too far over to the other side. whereas these days , as lois whereas these days, as lois rightly says, praying in your head that can see you arrested, but calling for massacre of jews. well, that's all right. don't worry, love. >> connor where do we go from here? >> i think that there are very influential politicians who have pushed for very liberal, ideologically blind mass migration laws for a very long time . some of them, particularly time. some of them, particularly in the biden administration , who in the biden administration, who are from a jewish background because they've allowed their ability to think that everyone is as liberal as them to override their self—preservation instinct. and i think now , as we instinct. and i think now, as we see horrendous protests in see these horrendous protests in the streets, politicians , the streets, politicians, particularly those of jewish heritage, should think , well, heritage, should think, well, should a bit biased should we be a bit more biased about who we let in based on the types of beliefs that they have

and should more and should we be more considerate jewish people considerate of the jewish people that live in the that currently live in the country? and i think even if you accept that argument, it's a bit late for that. >> on the streets and they >> when on the streets and they live right? the better live here, right? the better lock now that there's lock them up now is that there's clearly of hate incidents, clearly lots of hate incidents, hate hateful rhetoric hate crimes, hateful rhetoric going have the going on. but you also have the fact you're entitled to go fact that you're entitled to go and protest. i'm firmly on israel's to pretend israel's side, but to pretend this straightforward is just israel's side, but to pretend thisthe;traightforward is just israel's side, but to pretend thisthe case.|tforward is just not the case. >> okey doke. right, folks. still ahead, you'll hearing still ahead, you'll be hearing more mouth as benjamin more from that mouth as benjamin asks, britain build asks, will britain ever build anything again? but next, anything ever again? but next, lewis about why young lewis talks about why young people the bible . people want to ban the bible. you're with the saturday five live on .

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going to get your email in a second. up next, though, it's going to be lois and she's going to tell us why many young people want to ban the bible and the risks that we to face our freedoms if we do . crazy times. freedoms if we do. crazy times. folks, over to you, lois. >> well, would you ban the bible? >> you might think this is a ludicrous question. hailing from parts of the world which don't enjoy the freedom of religion or belief that we do here. but in fact, when posed with the choice to ban the book, if parts of the text were found to be hateful, almost a quarter of uk 18 to 34 year olds have said they would do so. now nobody likes to be hated. in fact , loving your hated. in fact, loving your neighbour is one of the most iconic commandments of the holy text itself . but what does text itself. but what does hateful mean? and who gets to decide which chapters are offensive? we don't need to look far to see the consequences of taking orwell's 1984 as a taking orwell's1984 as a guidebook to shutting down christians in finland. former home secretary sitting mp and

grandmother paivi rasanen was just acquitted after a four year legal battle . she was criminally legal battle. she was criminally charged with hate speech under the war crimes and crimes against humanity section of the finnish criminal code . i'm not finnish criminal code. i'm not joking. her crime . she tweeted a joking. her crime. she tweeted a bible verse and in her tweet she challenged her own church leadership as to where in the bible they found justification to sponsor a local helsinki pride event . we may no longer be pride event. we may no longer be a majority christian population here in britain , one that's even here in britain, one that's even more reason to protect freedom of speech and belief for all. already, this apparently conservative government have overseen steps to censor expressions of faith. whether that's arresting street preachers. quoting the bible or even dragging people through courts for praying silently in their heads near abortion facilities , is censoring one facilities, is censoring one type of belief because it fails to fit with the dominant orthodoxy of our day is no better than imposing the illiberal blasphemy laws of the middle ages . we need a robust

middle ages. we need a robust defence of religious freedom from those who craft our legislation , and we need to legislation, and we need to educate the be kind generation on the truly hateful consequences of censorship before this type of thinking creeps further into reality. so alby, why are young people so prone to this kind of censorial policy ? policy? >> well, i think you see all of this book banning on both the left and the right, don't you get the right that want to ban lgbt books because they think thatis lgbt books because they think that is harmful to children and you've got left wingers wanting to the bible because they to ban the bible because they think it's harmful to children books. the way, there's some books. by the way, there's some pretty stuff the bible. books. by the way, there's some pthink stuff the bible. books. by the way, there's some pthink we stuff the bible. books. by the way, there's some pthink we can:uff the bible. books. by the way, there's some pthink we can probably; bible. books. by the way, there's some pthink we can probably just le. i think we can probably just have a whole have a we can have a whole conversation about some the conversation about some of the wacky the bible. does wacky stuff in the bible. does it mean it should be banned? no as principle, i would as a general principle, i would just let's not ban books. just say let's not ban books. whether it is a woke book or an anti or a bible or a anti woke book or a bible or a or a quran for that matter. >> benjamin would the >> benjamin would you ban the bible or any other book? >> i'm a great fan >> well, look, i'm a great fan of fiction. i haven't got around

to reading the bible, i hear to reading the bible, but i hear it some some great invented it has some some great invented tales lots people find fascinating. >> that your tinder >> that explains your tinder bio. i don't understand >> i don't i don't understand that. but it's one your that. but it's one of your better arguments nonetheless. look the fact is that i think what you said is completely wrong when you talk about the idea that someone trying to stop them supporting a pride event doesn't have some level of hate in it. i think it does. when you talk about the person that was arrested or cautioned in person outside the abortion clinic for praying silently in their head as you phrase it. well, no, actually, see, i think people, for whatever reason, whether it's another reason it's religious or another reason , came their conclusion , they came to their conclusion to anti—abortion going and to be anti—abortion going and standing abortion standing outside an abortion clinic intimidation, not free clinic is intimidation, not free speech. and i think that's where you're wrong. >> let's talk about both of those cases, because they're quite so the finnish quite distinct. so the finnish lady who tweeted her, is it really illegal for a member of a church to question policy? it is not hateful to not sponsor a pride event. that is an action

clearly is clearly the only reason someone is coming to that conclusion is because they don't like people. like gay people. >> but if you it would be >> but even if you it would be farcical to suggest that's not going to be what they know. they disagree ideology disagree with trans ideology because that goes against biblical so does biblical scripture, but so does being you sound you've being gay. you sound like you've been cult the been released from a cult the way you obsess, but if you disagree with christian faith disagree with a christian faith that for generations, that has been for generations, been dominant faith now been a dominant faith and is now a minority in most of the a minority faith in most of the west, simply surely you can just talk them, have a conversation. >> you surely don't need shut conversation. >> yotheirely don't need shut conversation. >> yotheir free ion't need shut conversation. >> yotheir free speech ad shut conversation. >> yotheir free speech and shut conversation. >> yotheir free speech and putjt down their free speech and put them on trial, for goodness sake. well, sorry. sake. well, i'm sorry. it's actually for. actually going to prison for. >> i'm sorry, lois, but you tell that to the millions of people in and the millions of in africa and the millions of gay who been gay people who have been affected aids because the affected by hiv aids because the catholic them not catholic church told them to not wear protection, caused wear protection, and it caused an enormous spread of disease and lost their lives. >> is @ hate y hate that comes >> that is the hate that comes from the bible that i think catholics and people of faith should apologise for. but they start other people start lecturing other people on hate. huge, huge hate. now, that's a huge, huge conflation issue and conflation to take one issue and apply this to this grandmother who tweeted a bible verse and

challenged church talking challenged her church talking about it's all innocent, about like, it's all innocent, like it's just old dears like it's just sweet old dears going, don't should going, i don't think you should spend that. it's not spend money on that. it's not that's think like that. that's naive to think like that. there are loads of hateful christians, who christians, so anyone who disagrees worldview, disagrees with your worldview, your convictions . they your religious convictions. they should be censored because that is the outworking of such an ideology or such a such a way of thinking. >> and to consider the lady who was arrested for silent prayer. darren, let's bring you in on that. >> well, i was just going to say, lois, you know, he's just been sat there criticising geert wilders, for example, for wanting quran . wanting to ban the quran. >> well, he'll ban anything as long someone to long as someone is opposed to young allowed to young people being allowed to massacre themselves in the form of trans ideology. it's actually got nothing to do with religion, though, does it? >> that's the state in our >> that's about the state in our democratic . you have democratic function. you have literally you just literally just said you just moved can have moved the goalpost. you can have that but it's not about that debate, but it's not about the bible. >> you have literally just >> but you have literally just said to that this woman is said to lois that this woman is hateful for supporting hateful for not supporting a pride i wouldn't support pride march. i wouldn't support a march. i'm gay , for a pride march. i'm gay, for god's sake.

>> yeah, well, suspect they >> yeah, well, i suspect they wouldn't want you there, quite frankly. but the truth that frankly. but the truth is that you idea that it's all you know, the idea that it's all about the trans thing to support about the trans thing to support a pride march is clearly a hopeful distraction from the fact that that person probably holds prejudiced views. anyway, connor connor. connor well, connor. >> you know connor. benjamin butterworth making here butterworth is making clear here that actually that he does actually support banning doesn't he? banning things, doesn't he? >> banning the bible. >> i'm not banning the bible. i just think that you think you should be imprisoned if say should be imprisoned if you say things the bible. things from the bible. >> yeah, that is de facto >> so, yeah, that is a de facto ban in >> so, yeah, that is a de facto banin pubuc >> so, yeah, that is a de facto ban in public square. you're ban in the public square. you're just dishonest well. just being dishonest as well. what with the obsession with what is with the obsession with robbing the fertility from children? i'm a children? but what? i'm not in a cult for opposing that. so you want to you want to be careful about that. the broader point about that. the broader point about this and this attitudes about this and this is attitudes like are going to like yours, which are going to get backlash that don't get the backlash that you don't like. a recent onward like. there was a recent onward survey won't mate. survey that said you won't mate. there recent onwards there was a recent onwards survey 2022 that asked gen z survey in 2022 that asked gen z what of government what kind of government structures and the structures they favour and the boomers liberal boomers much preferred liberal democracy up boomers much preferred liberal de the racy up boomers much preferred liberal dethe post—war up boomers much preferred liberal dethe post—war paradigm. up boomers much preferred liberal dethe post—war paradigm. genp boomers much preferred liberal dethe post—war paradigm. gen z in the post—war paradigm. gen z said 47% like military said 47% they'd like military rule and 62% said that they wanted to . 55% said rule by

wanted to. 55% said rule by experts. so you're seeing a split. 62% said they wanted a strong man that could circumvent parliament. now, that's either that was bipartisan. so what happens decide to shut happens is if you decide to shut down reasonable things down perfectly reasonable things like, oh, christians maybe don't want pay play for a pride want to pay play for a pride parade, if you exclude that from the going the public square, you're going to get a much stronger backlash that certainly won't like that you certainly won't like and able to voice and you won't be able to voice your clearly, your opposition to it. clearly, codswallop. in 10 young people >> that's 6 in 10 young people want a dictator in charge. that's obviously not a reasonable fact . and i think reasonable fact. and i think that there's no defence for hate, whether you're excusing it for the bible or excusing it, you just say all religions are nonsense. >> so you have a prejudice of yourself. just yourself. you're just positioning neutral. yourself. you're just posthat ng neutral. yourself. you're just posthat one neutral. yourself. you're just posthat one could neutral. yourself. you're just posthat one could have|eutral. yourself. you're just posthat one could have gonel. yourself. you're just posthat one could have gone on >> that one could have gone on and and on. well done, louis. and on and on. well done, louis. but ahead, benjamin but still ahead, benjamin laments of laments britain's lack of ability you're with laments britain's lack of abilsaturday you're with laments britain's lack of abilsaturday five ou're with laments britain's lack of abilsaturday five live with laments britain's lack of abilsaturday five live onth

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london blocked a £16 billion giant music venue that was to be built in stratford . the snow built in stratford. the snow globe shaped music venue was going to be built by the olympic park and was to rival the las vegas one that opened earlier this year and has seen huge artists like coldplay and beyonce sign up to perform there , raising millions if not billions of pounds in revenue and creating thousands of jobs. the whole world has been looking at the amazing images from this feat of technology. but the mayor of london had other ideas , mayor of london had other ideas, and so did local interfere in green party councillors who blocked the dream of this giant sphere music venue coming to london and london. by the way , london and london. by the way, is a city where 1 in 5 people now work in the creative industries . now work in the creative industries. it's a huge part of this huge city, but unfortunate . this huge city, but unfortunate. we didn't want this $2 billion venue. now, what a pathetic excuse for a major country we have become . um, when we block

have become. um, when we block having incredible venues like this because it might make a bit of noise or a bit of light, but christ, these people would have blocked the eiffel tower. they would have blocked big ben, for god's it's about we god's sake. it's about time we got out of this rut of not building anything because it might change things and started bulldozing the nimbys. bulldozing through the nimbys. now darren, did you want a £2 billion? i think actually you live in the north—east and it was the mayor of tes, ben horton , who said, well, bring it to teesside . teesside. >> yeah, the mayor of tees valley, i guess is his full title. but yes, look , if it title. but yes, look, if it happens up there, hunky dory, happy days. but if the people of london don't want then london don't want it, then i mean, suit yourself. >> is that often i think >> problem is that often i think the people london would want the people of london would want a like there are a venue like this. there are loads examples where great loads of examples where great ideas people at large want ideas the people at large want it in an area, but just few it in an area, but just a few people can complain locally and it doesn't like it though it's hideous. >> why would i want a giant jacket? >> but you're still wearing it. >> but you're still wearing it. >> you're dressed like a jockey. don't even . why would i want

don't even. why would i want a giant led blinking eyeball in the middle of my city? there are more than enough great glass eyesores in the middle of london that shouldn't been there. that shouldn't have been there. and comparing to big that shouldn't have been there. and which ring to big that shouldn't have been there. and which isg to big that shouldn't have been there. and which is actually to big that shouldn't have been there. and which is actually a to big ben, which is actually a beautiful of architecture, beautiful bit of architecture, is quite offensive. beautiful bit of architecture, is i quite offensive. beautiful bit of architecture, is i mean,jite offensive. beautiful bit of architecture, is i mean, do offensive. beautiful bit of architecture, is i mean, do youensive. beautiful bit of architecture, is i mean, do you note. beautiful bit of architecture, is i mean, do you not understand >> i mean, do you not understand what some of the residents in stratford are saying that they don't next to a don't want to live next to a massive nightlight basically outside of their outside of their flats ? i mean, their block of flats? i mean, look, i love the venue, but i live in i live in chiswick, i live in i live in chiswick, i live nowhere near stratford. so it's to impact me at it's not going to impact me at all. do not think the local all. do you not think the local people of stratford have got. >> i they should up >> i think they should shut up and blind in the window. and stick a blind in the window. then they won't have light then they won't have the light in way. i mean, ijust think in the way. i mean, i just think what pathetic country that what a pathetic country that anything that kind anything that causes that kind of disruption, like of level of disruption, like having near you, you having a nightclub near you, you get blocks of flats get you get blocks of flats built nightclubs that built next to nightclubs that already then they already exist. and then they make a complaint to the council and have to shut the and they have to shut the nightclub. it's we nightclub. and it's like we bought flat next to nightclub. >> i feel like nimbys are >> i feel like the nimbys are given hard run though in

given a real hard run though in the press at the moment. not only is it are they, you know, seen as the ones opposing anything and modern, anything new and modern, but they're for they're also blamed for the entire housing which, by entire housing crisis, which, by the the rate that the way, i mean, the rate that inflation house inflation went up on house pnces inflation went up on house prices versus the way that it went on wages is nothing went up on our wages is nothing comparable. so i feel like this attitude is often the scapegoat for are for things that are fundamentally, you know, fundamentally not right. and our entire structure society. so entire structure of society. so i stick up for nimbys i would stick up for the nimbys a more than has a little bit more than than has been given. >> that's easy when you're >> well, that's easy when you're from the highlands, because there's space for there's loads of space for houses. don't have that houses. you don't have that problem, suppose, i'm not problem, i suppose, and i'm not sure people want to sure how many people want to live but oh, you live there either, but oh, you want a very casserole. live there either, but oh, you want a getting;serole. live there either, but oh, you want a getting another email >> i'm getting another email from >> i'm getting another email frori think neil oliver you want, >> i think neil oliver you want, but we've built half as many houses as france in the last houses as france has in the last 40 years. >> is you know, obviously >> is now, you know, obviously that difficult by that is made more difficult by the of immigration, let the levels of immigration, let alone he admits it. >> sidique khan just passed immigration. >> he's a man on the turn. >>— >> he's a man on the turn. >> i just think i just think that we have this attitude now that we have this attitude now that says that things can't

change. >> i think it's a disease in british life that people don't like change. and that's why we have a stagnant economy and a stagnant place in the world. >> all right. i've just been told i have to silence benjamin butterworth so everyone at home will be absolutely delighted. but our guests tonight but thanks to our guests tonight , of course, , the brilliant, of course, conor tomlinson lewis, you conor tomlinson and lewis, you did fine job, lewis. next up, did a fine job, lewis. next up, it's the brilliant leo kearse with his brand new saturday night showdown . cheers for night showdown. cheers for watching. we'll see you again next week. here's your weather with craig snell. hello there. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snailwell . tonight, it's going snailwell. tonight, it's going to be dry and cold and to be another dry and cold and frosty one for most of us. a bit of a change out towards the west. that's courtesy west. and that's all courtesy of this front just this weather front that's just going in some cloud and going to bring in some cloud and rain as the night goes on. but with high pressure generally in charge the uk, charge across much of the uk, clear a perfect clear skies, it's a perfect recipe a widely frosty night recipe for a widely frosty night across the uk. still a bit of a breeze down the eastern seaboard. so here actually temperatures stay just

temperatures will just stay just above freeze. and then later on as start to see this cloud as we start to see this cloud and rain in, temperatures and rain move in, temperatures will towards the west . will recover towards the west. so as we start sunday morning, we could just see a few mist and freezing fog patches around, but they will quickly clear and we'll just to see this we'll just start to see this area of cloud and just area of cloud and rain just gradually spread way gradually spread its way a little further eastwards. so little bit further eastwards. so sunshine turning increasingly hazy eastern areas , hazy across many eastern areas, but dry here as but staying largely dry here as the day goes on. best of the sunshine up across parts of northern and eastern scotland. but the far north actually just seeing a outbreaks of rain. seeing a few outbreaks of rain. temperatures in the west are a little bit higher than they will be today. but still on the cold side for the time of year into monday, a bit of a grey, damp start across many parts of the uk. some sunshine across western scotland and northern ireland. that will spread its way a little further southwards as little bit further southwards as the still the day goes on, but still feeling fairly cold. and that cold theme will continue as we

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