news channel. >> hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next three hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. >> about opinion. >> it's mine , it's theirs, and >> it's mine, it's theirs, and of course it's yours . we'll be of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour , joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. in a few moments , we'll be going head few moments, we'll be going head to head in a clash of minds with gb news senior commentator nigel nelson former nelson and also former conservative special adviser claire pearsall . right. but claire pearsall. right. but before we get stuck in, let's get your latest news headlines with sophia . with sophia. >> good afternoon. it's 3:00. i'm sophia wenzler in the

newsroom . reports say the israel newsroom. reports say the israel government has received the list of hostages who are expected to be released today . an official be released today. an official told the times of israel that prime minister benjamin netanyahu's office are notifying the families. it is the third day of a four day truce which qatar says it hopes will be extended further with the release of more captives . release of more captives. meanwhile, smoke can be seen at the gaza border . nine year meanwhile, smoke can be seen at the gaza border. nine year old irish israeli girl emily hand has been reunited with her father following her release by hamas late last night. she is among 17 hostages freed by the terrorist group after 50 days in captivity . i3 israelis, six captivity. i3 israelis, six women and seven children, along with four tiny nationals, were transported out of gaza through the rafah border crossing. they've now been reunited with their families in israel. >> the hand is a closure for me because unfortunately , i'm the because unfortunately, i'm the one who told her father that she

has murdered, been murdered , has murdered, been murdered, been found, murdered and a week later, i'm the one who told the father that she probably captured . so it's a kind of captured. so it's a kind of a relief for me that she's still alive . she's here. she with us. alive. she's here. she with us. and i have to tell his father to give him a hug. >> ceo of safra children's hospital at the sheba medical centre, professor etai, pesach discussed the treatment of the newly freed women and children . newly freed women and children. >> i am happy to say that despite the fact that the harsh conditions that have been under and the experience of captivity, they did not require any emergent medical intervention. we will keep them here at the

edmond safra children's hospital for as long as they need and care for them, help them in their preparation of coming back to their communities. >> 39 palestine lions have been released from a prison in the west bank. in exchange for the israeli hostages. hundreds of palestinians welcomed their return in the early hours of this morning, crowds return in the early hours of this morning , crowds cheered, this morning, crowds cheered, clapped and waved flags in the streets as they arrived in buses. it's understood the group includes six women and 33 children. boris johnson has told gb news antisemit autism is like a virus which lurks beneath the floorboards of western civilisation . in the former civilisation. in the former prime minister is attending a march in central london, standing against anti—jewish racism . pm. it comes amid racism. pm. it comes amid concerns over rising tensions across the uk sparked by the conflict in gaza . the director conflict in gaza. the director of campaign against anti—semitism, stephen silverman , told gb news what the march

hopes to achieve. >> the jews feel under threat. jews feel in danger. they feel like they've been abandoned by some of the institutions that should be there to defend them. what is about is for what today is about is for jewish people to say, no, we will not accept this, but not just jewish people for their very , very many friends and very, very many friends and allies and supporters to stand with them in this and say this is not what the uk is about. this does not represent uk values which are of tolerance and acceptance of all ethnicities and minorities . ethnicities and minorities. >> former england manager terry venables has died at the age of 80. his family released a statement saying, we are totally devastated by the loss of a wonderful husband and father who passed away peacefully yesterday after a long illness. venables was in charge of england's men's national team . between 1994 and national team. between 1994 and 1996. foot baller gary lineker paid tribute, saying he was much , much more than just a great

manager . he , much more than just a great manager. he was vibrant, he was charming , he manager. he was vibrant, he was charming, he was manager. he was vibrant, he was charming , he was witty. he manager. he was vibrant, he was charming, he was witty. he was a friend . and this is gb news friend. and this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news. now let's return to nana . to nana. >> hello. good afternoon. >> hello. good afternoon. >> it is fast approaching . >> it is fast approaching. >> it is fast approaching. >> six minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. now, before we go head to head, let me introduce you again to my panel. my head to head is gb news senior commentator nigel nelson, also former conservative special adviser claire pearsall. they'll be going head to head in a clash of moments time of minds in a few moments time on menu , 17 hostages on the menu, 17 hostages containing 13 israelis and four thai nationals have been freed by hamas as further negotiations take place . i'll be speaking to take place. i'll be speaking to israeli journalist qattan confino live live in tel aviv in

just a moment. >> by banning marches, i'm going to be asking , are we at risk of to be asking, are we at risk of limiting our freedom of speech? >> a lot of people keep saying it's freedom of speech, freedom of you've it, of speech. you've seen it, though. pro—palestine though. the pro—palestine demonstrators, defied demonstrators, they defied police with of police warnings with some of them carrying banners with anti—semitic hate speech on it. but is it time to ban future marches of this nature from taking place? and are we at risk if we do that of limiting our freedom speech? also, who freedom of speech? also, who do you most trust with immigration? a tory party labour? we've a tory party or labour? we've given you the two. i mean, there are others, but these are the two front runners at the moment. rishi sunak has vowed to clamp down immigration, down on immigration, but is facing an uphill battle with an illegal plan . and we and facing an uphill battle with an il record plan . and we and facing an uphill battle with an il record net plan . and we and facing an uphill battle with an il record net migrationand we and facing an uphill battle with an il record net migration figure. and a record net migration figure. meanwhile, sir keir starmer is facing claims that labour's immigration plans would increase asylum seeker numbers. so who do you most with it? and you trust the most with it? and i loved it this morning when i got up. i loved the cold. it was beautiful. the cold snap. it's nearing. should the government subsidise energy subsidise our energy bills? which you and which actually means you and i paying which actually means you and i paying them later? the

paying for them later? the metropolitan, office metropolitan, the met office even warned of potential even have warned of potential for significant snowfall with temperatures plunging to five minus five, with warnings of ice on roads and heavy frost. now, this comes as households are set to pay more any winter to pay more than any winter before on their energy bills. so i'm asking as the cold snap nears, should the government subsidise our energy bills and an interview you will not want to miss at five my outside guests now for today is a founding member of a famous 90s british all female dance troupe to remember 80 thinks she is she will be there later at five that's coming up in the next houn that's coming up in the next hour. aslef tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. so of course , the top news. so of course, the top story today is israel. the government have been given a list of hostages who are set to be released. the times of israel are reporting that israel's

prime minister has notified the families whose loved ones who are on the list, as israel and hamas observed, the third day of a four day truce. now this follows the 13 hostages released by hamas in exchange for 39 prisoners. so joining me for more updates is the israeli journalist jatin confino. jordan thank you very much for joining me . first of all, what's the me. first of all, what's the mood like in israel? because more hostages are being released ? >> 7. >>i 7- >> i would 7_ >> i would say ? >> i would say a lot of anxiety because nobody really trusts hamas and especially after yesterday when everything was about to explode and when hamas withdrew from the hostage release deal at the very last minute, then changed their mind a few hours later. >> everyone here is just anxious and they don't trust him until the hostages are being brought by the red cross from gaza across the border into egypt . across the border into egypt. nobody thinks of them as being saved . saved. >> now, i've heard quite a few reports, and this is in my view, but i've heard a few reports of

people saying that the people being released from israel are not prisoners, as it were, but people who are being detained. is that is there any truth to it at any of this that is true. >> there is a list of 300 palestinians, some of whom are in prison on in administrative detention . that's what it's detention. that's what it's called. but the majority of them are either convicted or on trial. it's not as if it's just 300 people that israel has taken and thrown into jail and is keeping them hostage in some sort of way, as i've heard people suggest, it is far from the truth. many of them are members of hamas and islamic jihad. many of them have attempted manslaughter. of attempted manslaughter. some of them stabbed police them have stabbed police officers . it ranges really with officers. it ranges really with with different kinds of crimes, different kinds of age, also, of course. so yes. but in short, some of them in administrative detention , which is detention, which is a controversial method. but a lot of them also convicted criminals i >> -- >> all lyman >> all right. thank you for answering that. that that is

quite a bit up. now, i also wanted to ask you regard to the list hostages. is that a list of the hostages. is that a list of the hostages. is that a list gone public or list that's gone public yet or is one is just staying is that one that is just staying under radar and just with under the radar and just with the families for now? >> it's only for the >> yeah, it's only for the families for now, mainly to protect them. and they know that the media here are obviously very interested in knowing who they there some they are. there are some rumours, told to rumours, but we've been told to keep mum and to not start speculating and to start talking about it too simply about it too much. simply because, again, we don't know what's going to happen if it falls at the last falls through at the very last minute, families be minute, the families will be devastated. we hear devastated. but we did hear hamas announce not too hamas actually announce not too long ago that russian citizen hamas actually announce not too long agreleasedrussian citizen hamas actually announce not too long agreleased afteran citizen hamas actually announce not too long agreleased after the itizen will be released after the efforts they said, by vladimir putin. they praised him. they have a good relationship with him. so russian citizen apparently . and also we heard apparently. and also we heard the us national security adviser, jake sullivan, saying that they hope that the four year old american girl held hostage by hamas will also be on this list and finally have any of the hostages spoken about about their experience and said

what it was like? >> and if they have, what have they said that? >> yeah, they have spoken a little bit about what they've experienced. they said they were sleeping on some sort of plastic chairs there. the food was very scarce . they were eating scarce. they were eating rice and pizza bread mostly, and they were guarded by hamas terrorists who who made signs to them as if they were going to behead them. apparently so not good conditions as we expect. but most of them. >> sorry, sorry . where were >> sorry, sorry. where were they? they were there in tunnels. did they say were they? they >> they were kept underground as we understand it, in some sort of a tunnel network. this is what we've expected all along, because this is how hamas is hiding. this is how they are protecting themselves from israeli airstrikes. so this is basically what we also assumed . basically what we also assumed. and one of the first hostages that was released also said this. it was a spider web of tunnels that she was kept in. so this all really is just confirming what we what we knew all along. >> well, so, tom, thank you very much your thoughts as your

much for your thoughts as your time confino live from israel. the pictures we were showing you just there were pictures outside a prison in the west bank. so presumably some of those prisoners will be released from there . let's get some analysis there. let's get some analysis from the international security expert, bolton . henry, expert, henry bolton. henry, what this hostage exchange what does this hostage exchange mean for the war between israel and hamas ? and hamas? >> no, no. hello. >> no, no. hello. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> um, not necessarily very much. obviously only for the families involved . families involved. >> it's massive. and that has a political implication for israel , but also think of it this way. actually, i'd like to remind everybody that, yes, hostage is and we're all glad that they're being released gradually or some of them. but let's remember how hamas came to be be in possession of these hostages through that appalling deprive and terrorist attack on the 7th of october. so we should remember that in the sort of the fact that we're so pleased that

they're being released. but ultimately , neither hamas nor ultimately, neither hamas nor israel has indicated any wish whatsoever for so far, certainly not publicly , to lift the siege not publicly, to lift the siege or to lift the conflict . or to lift the conflict. >> you know, and i think one of hamas's aims was to delay the ground offensive, was to use this as a bargaining chip for humanitarian aid . humanitarian aid. >> they get political kudos from amongst the palestinians. >> so both sides will be using this to actually strengthen their position. at the moment, their position. at the moment, the only positive to come out of this , apart from obviously the this, apart from obviously the humanity , an aspect of the humanity, an aspect of the safety of the hostages concerned , is that they will have established a methodology for communicating and negotiating. so if it comes to the point that either side wishes to start

bringing the conflict to an end or to de—escalate it, there is an established method of communication and negotiation, mediation , if you like, through mediation, if you like, through the qataris and so on. for doing so. 50. >> so. >> and that is crucially important when it comes to the time to do it, because in many conflicts in the past, in other parts of the world, those conflicts could have been ended much sooner than they were had there been such an established method ironism in place. >> so that's a positive, but it's one to park for the future . it's one to park for the future. >> now, henry, ijust it's one to park for the future. >> now, henry, i just finally >> now, henry, ijust finally wanted to ask you, and this is about weapons , as i understand about weapons, as i understand it. i read that iran have a new missile that could get through the israeli defences. so the iron dome that they have there is this a serious worry for israel , for only if iran were to israel, for only if iran were to become more directly involved because there's actually there's a few weapons in the iranian arsenal that would present a

challenge to the iron dome and other air defence assets that the israelis have. >> but if those were to be deployed, then it would be involving iran directly. and i think one of the successes from the point of view of the international community here has been the collective behind the scenes and sometimes overt in terms of the naval assets in the eastern mediterranean . the eastern mediterranean. the warning that has been given to iran to stay out of this directly . and i don't see iran directly. and i don't see iran really employing these weapons. they're out there . they're a they're out there. they're a risk. but it's not just the israelis who are who are able to shoot these weapons down. the united states navy has already intercepted a number of missiles that were destined or aimed at israel. so there is that outer sort of security , if you like, sort of security, if you like, for the israeli state, but only if deployed by other nations or other other hostile forces

outside the immediate conflict between the palestinians of gaza and the israelis. so you know, i don't see that it is a risk. it is a threat that there will be thinking about. but i don't see this actually being top of the list of the israeli priorities or concerns at this stage. henry bolton, thank you very much. >> good to talk to you. that's henry bolton. defence henry bolton. he's a defence expert closer to home expert. let's get closer to home now. in london, thousands of protesters have gathered this afternoon for a march against the surging levels of anti—semitism across the country. organisers of the march say that they no longer feel welcome in the capital, especially with number of especially with the number of pro—palestine protests. we've had pretty much every had one pretty much every weekend. now gb weekend. so joining me now is gb news correspondent news political correspondent katherine catherine, katherine forster catherine, thank you for joining katherine forster catherine, thank you forjoining me. what thank you for joining me. what was the mood like the protest was the mood like at the protest today compared what happened today compared to what happened yesterday . yesterday. >> yes, a sombre mood here today at the march started at half past one outside the royal courts of justice. many

thousands of people here now progressed along, as you can see behind me. they're singing at the moment. but a lot of chanting the word simply bring them home, referring, of course, to the couple of hundred hostages taken by hamas on the 7th of october. okay. we know that some of them , thankfully, that some of them, thankfully, have been released, but there's still many, many held . the still many, many held. the families, obviously, in agony. and the feeling is that the jewish community felt it needed to come out and stand up and say enoughis to come out and stand up and say enough is enough , because we enough is enough, because we know, don't we, that since october 7, anti—semitism has spiked in this country as it has around the world. there's been paint daubed on jewish schools. there's been jewish school children trying to hide the fact that they're jewish on the way to school. jewish people feeling unsafe in london and in the united kingdom. they want to come out to say this is enough. this needs to stop. now,

unexpectedly , former prime unexpectedly, former prime minister boris johnson appeared. ispoke minister boris johnson appeared. i spoke to him a little bit earlier. let's see what he had to say. very sad in a way that this this march has to take place at all. >> but i'm afraid it does, because . because what we're all because. because what we're all doing here and the only thing we're really doing is showing solidarity with jewish people . solidarity with jewish people. and that's necessary because because since october the 7th, i'm afraid there's been a very peculiar response in many parts of the world, including, i'm sad to say, in london and what we've seen is a i'm afraid that the re—emergence of anti—semitism and a failure to focus on the appalling terroristic acts of hamas and what they did on october the 7th. and i just think we need to remember that. and you know, whatever the whatever the rights and wrongs of what israel has done or or is

doing, i think that the anti—semitism that we've seen in some of these marches around western europe and further afield has really confirmed for me the absolute need city, the human necessity for israel to exist and that's basically why we're here. >> and in terms of international diplomacy, how hopeful are you that this current wave of this very old conflict can be resolved? i hope it can. >> and it remains the position of the uk government. as you know, my position certainly that there must be a two stage solution. but what we're what we're trying to address here, what i'm trying to address here is a is a is a separate is a is a is a is a separate thing in a way, which is the re—emergence, the recruit essence of anti semitism. and, you know, it's kind of like an old an old spore of a virus that lurks beneath the floorboards of

western civilisation , western civilisation, civilisation of our collective memory. and it comes out from time to time . it's, it's time to time. it's, it's perennial. it won't go away and it flares up again. we're seeing a flare up and we need to call it out . it out. >> so boris johnson there, former prime minister of course, showing his support , showing his showing his support, showing his solidarity to uk jews and indeed the jewish community around the world. still hopeful, ultimately of a two state solution . the of a two state solution. the mood very peaceful here, as it generally is during the day , i generally is during the day, i would say at the pro—palestinian marches, too. i've been to many of them . unfortunately, we had a of them. unfortunately, we had a bit of abuse and being from gb news yesterday , which was very news yesterday, which was very unpleasant, but often in the evening you get an element of trouble and arrests are made. it'll be very interesting to see today. this is the 1st march

against anti—semitism if it passes off completely peacefully throughout the day. certainly a big police presence here, a thousand police, potentially 40,000 people marching . the 40,000 people marching. the police keen to make sure that the jewish community can feel that they're safe . that they're safe. >> okay, catherine, now, i wanted to ask you about this, because we heard an update on lee anderson's claim that he was offered money to join the reform party . tell us offered money to join the reform party. tell us more . party. tell us more. >> yes , there's a real war of >> yes, there's a real war of words that's broken out between lee anderson and the deputy chair of the conservative party and richard tice , the leader of and richard tice, the leader of the reform party. we've had an exclusive statement from lee anderson in the last few minutes on gb news. i will give you the details shortly. but just to wrap up for anybody who's not been following this through the day, the sunday times reported this morning that lee anderson had there had been a leaked recording of lee anderson saying that he'd been offered £400,000

to defect from the conservative to defect from the conservative to the reform party. and richard tice of the reform party was on broadcast this morning, said that absolutely not, that no money had been offered , that money had been offered, that yes, of course , reform. talk to yes, of course, reform. talk to people of all parties . but at no people of all parties. but at no point was any money offered. and he basically said lee anderson was just doing this to use this as leverage to get himself made deputy chairman of the conservative party. now, lee anderson has issued a statement andifs anderson has issued a statement and it's quite long. i'll just read you a few bits, but basically said the allegations made by richard tice are simply ridiculous . and yes, he goes on ridiculous. and yes, he goes on to say that, you know, he talks to say that, you know, he talks to people of lots of from lots of parties that he was made an offer goes on about his reasons for wanting to become deputy chairman but says that this was

in no way connected to an offer of a job with reform and says mr tice needs to look closer to home to see what his own senior members are saying and doing behind the scenes. he seems he needs to keep better control of his party, otherwise incidents like this just make them look like this just make them look like amateurs and amateurs whose only purpose seems to be giving starmer the keys to number 10. now i should point out both these men are politicians. they are both also gb news presenters, though for lee, perhaps they do not present shows on the same day, but lots of people are keen on the reform party. they go up to 10% in the polls . lots of people think that polls. lots of people think that they are part of the answer, but of course the conservative message and the lee anderson message and the lee anderson message is , is if you vote for message is, is if you vote for reform, all you're going to do is put labour and keir starmer

into downing street . into downing street. >> catherine, thank you so much for that. that's katherine forster. she's live there at one of the marches in london. you're with me? i'm nana akua. this is a tv, online and on a gb news on tv, online and on digital coming up, my digital radio. coming up, my head head will be joining me head to head will be joining me in to debate who in the studio to debate who you trust immigration. trust most with immigration. but up next, join the rest of the footballing world to pay tribute to former england manager, footballing world to pay tribute to venables ngland manager, footballing world to pay tribute to venables ,gland manager, footballing world to pay tribute to venables , whod manager, footballing world to pay tribute to venables , who died 1ager, footballing world to pay tribute to venables , who died atjer, footballing world to pay tribute to venables , who died at aged terry venables, who died at aged

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six till 930. >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching. 29 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. it's time to go head to headin akua. it's time to go head to head in a clash of minds. i'm asking by banning marches, are we at risk of limiting freedom of speech? i hear all the of speech? i hear it all the time. pro—palestine time. now, listen, pro—palestine demonstrators, defied demonstrators, they defied police's with some of police's warnings with some of them carrying banners with anti—semitic hate on them. you know, it was suella braverman called them hate marchers. is it time , though, to ban future time, though, to ban future marches of this nature from taking place? but if we do, are we then risking limiting our freedom of speech? let's see what my head head does make of this. joining senior this. joining me, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, political nelson, and also political commentator and conservative special advisor pearsall . special advisor claire pearsall. ladies first. what have you got around neck? it's like some around your neck? it's like some sort of animal. oh, it's not, is it? it's warm fluffy. it? sorry, it's warm and fluffy. it's coat . sorry. it's rude it's her coat. sorry. it's rude of me . oh, you thought i had of me. oh, you thought i had a cat? just sort of. it's cold. i didn't notice it earlier. sorry

sorry. claire. no, no , we sorry. claire. no, no, we shouldn't ban marches. >> i think if we go straight into into that, because once you start doing that, which marches do you accept? >> which marches are you going to ban? is it all of them? is it some of them? >> what happens to those causes that people feel very strongly about and want gather about and they want to gather together? what happens to that? >> they up in towns and >> then they pop up in towns and cities where there are no police presence there is no roots, there's no there are so many different problems. and i think you just get that pressure cooker of opinion and emotion, whether it be hate, love, whatever , and that's going to whatever, and that's going to burst. so i think that we need to allow them what we shouldn't allow or as we've seen are banners with anti semitic slogans singing of things like from the river to the sea, which is appalling. things like that need to be stopped and the police need to come down on that a lot heavier and a lot quicker than but they but than they do. but they but they've they they've been told they know that, they're still they've been told they know

the and they're still they've been told they know the and they're they're still they've been told they know the and they're still1ey're still they've been told they know the and they're still allowing.l do and they're still allowing it. and as seen from those it. and as we've seen from those marches , especially the one marches, especially the one yesterday, out with yesterday, they started out with those there was footage those banners. there was footage of them right at the beginning. why were they not taken to one side? banners removed? i side? the banners removed? i would police should be would think police should be able i wouldn't even say you able to. i wouldn't even say you carry i'll find you to carry that. i'll find you up to £1,000. yeah want to. and £1,000. yeah if you want to. and if to carry then if you want to carry on, then you put down to one side and you put it down to one side and we'll of for you. and we'll dispose of it for you. and i that would a much i think that would be a much better dealing with better way round of dealing with these but i mean, lot these marches. but i mean, a lot of them have descended into what has and that's of them have descended into what has when and that's of them have descended into what has when we're and that's of them have descended into what has when we're speaking at's of them have descended into what has when we're speaking tos why when we're speaking to catherine, said at catherine, she said at the moment but a lot moment that it's fine, but a lot of descend, especially the of them descend, especially the pro—palestinian fireworks pro—palestinian ones, fireworks being what's pro—palestinian ones, fireworks beingthoughts? what's pro—palestinian ones, fireworks beingthoughts? well, what's pro—palestinian ones, fireworks beingthoughts? well, first hat's pro—palestinian ones, fireworks beingthoughts? well, first of:'s your thoughts? well, first of all, after all, that happens at the after the finished. the marches finished. >> the marches >> i mean, the actual marches themselves predominantly themselves have predominantly been quite good. >> you're dividing that >> but you're dividing that there. you can't divide that. that's one it to that's all one thing. it has to be considered one thing. be considered as one thing. well no, the whole no, i mean, the whole thing is that organised which that the organised march, which is only thing you could ever is the only thing you could ever ban anyway if you thinking ban anyway if you were thinking about which be wrong. >> i with w.- >> i agree with claire on that. ends up at 5:00 that the marches

start. finish after that start. they finish up after that they're the hands the they're out of the hands of the organisers. so i think that those are individual groups, troublemakers or whatever who cause that trouble when it comes to the slogans, of course, that we should ban anything that makes comparisons with hitler or the holocaust or nazi germany. that's anti—semitic from the river to the sea. i disagree with claire on this one. from the river to the sea has a number of different interpretation as well. >> that's handy, isn't it? >> that's handy, isn't it? >> there are israeli is who think it means that the palestinians want to chuck them into the and expunge the into the sea and expunge the state israel? state of israel? >> not good either, >> well, that's not good either, is no, but but also palestinians >> no, but but also palestinians and i've talked to palestinian politicians on the west bank about what they're saying about this. what they're saying is mean doesn't about this. what they're saying is that mean doesn't about this. what they're saying is that at mean doesn't about this. what they're saying is that at all.ean doesn't about this. what they're saying is that at all. well,yesn't about this. what they're saying is that at all. well, atn't about this. what they're saying is that at all. well, at the mean that at all. well, at the mildest level , it mean that at all. well, at the mildest level, it can simply mean some free movement. a corridor between gaza and the west bank in the event of an independent palestinian state. so the west bank has access to a seaport , or it can mean that

seaport, or it can mean that you're talking about from the river to the sea. we want to see a palestinian state with slightly bigger borders, but it means a load different things. >> and then there's the meaning where annihilate all where it means to annihilate all jewish the river to jewish people from the river to the there is, i think that the sea. there is, i think that that's people that's semantics. and people play that's semantics. and people play with two justify play with those two justify behaviour. unacceptable . behaviour. that's unacceptable. and told, and if they are told, irrespective you think irrespective of what you think that means, that it is a hate thing, so don't it. but thing, so don't do it. but then no, no, but then people no, no, no, but and then people do you are you are now do it, then you are you are now participating in it. i think participating in it. and i think the chanting that knew the people chanting that knew that is offensive jewish that this is offensive to jewish people respect , people and in that respect, that's the end it because that's the end of it because that's the end of it because that a restriction on free that is a restriction on free speech, it's not. well, is speech, but it's not. well, is it restriction of free speech? it a restriction of free speech? no, it isn't. saying if you no, it isn't. it's saying if you do there are consequences. do that, there are consequences. if you it in an if you if you do it in an intimidating way. >> so you do it outside a synagogue or a jewish school. absolutely right. i think the police and deal police should step in and deal with that would with them because that would be deliberately thing deliberately intimidating thing to it along to actually chant it along a london road. >> it's unacceptable . >> it's unacceptable. >> it's unacceptable. >> well, me that would be an >> well, to me that would be an infringement on free speech to arrest people doing but arrest people for doing it. but how think it is how can you think it is acceptable when the jewish

community has stated that they feel intimidated and threatened, they feel it is anti—semitic ? they feel it is anti—semitic? >> i witnessed a conversation between a young british jewish lady and a young palestinian gentleman and both of them want the same thing. they want peace. however, the jewish lady brought out that is out the fact that she is offended. she is frightened by the of people chanting the amount of people chanting from the river to the sea and she gentleman, this she asked this gentleman, this is what we feel. please can you convey to your community that this isn't right? said, this isn't right? and he said, no , we don't believe that. it no, we don't believe that. it means what you think. and it's even being told that it's offensive . it is frightening offensive. it is frightening people. it is putting a community at risk. and they still continue to do it. can you say that that is ever going to be right? surely you need to be able to enforce the law with something which does incite hatred . and it does. it's quite hatred. and it does. it's quite clear that's the difficulty where the where the law comes in there, because what you've got there, because what you've got there exactly the point i was making. >> there are two interpretations

of that phrase means and of what that phrase means and according to nigel, there's two interpretations of what a coconut is. >> and that doesn't mean we're not putting those, are we? no, not putting those, are we? no, no , no, no. but but there are no, no, no. but but there are two interpretations. one is a great insult and racist slur. and the other is, is the is the fruit. i don't think it's a fruit. i don't even think it's a fruit, the nut that fruit, but it's the nut that falls tree. the falls off the tree. so the bottom line which one are bottom line is, which one are you going to interpret it? you have situation have to look at the situation and i think and the circumstance. i think that's right. and if it's a march where you've been told not to then there is no excuse. >> e where where it's >> that's where the where it's an infringement speech. an infringement on free speech. if the march . if it's just on the march. >> very good afternoon to you . >> very good afternoon to you. it is 334. and armstrong here in the gb news studio . the gb news studio. >> let's get you up to date with the headlines. a report in the middle east are suggesting the israeli government has received the list hostages who are the list of hostages who are expected released expected to be released today. >> officials told the times >> and officials told the times of india, the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu's office are

notifying the families that is the third day of a four day truce , a qatar which has been truce, a qatar which has been mediating on proceedings , says mediating on proceedings, says it hopes the truce will be extended with the release of further captives . nine year old further captives. nine year old irish israeli girl emily hand has been reunited with her father, following her release by hamas late last night. she is among 17 hostages who were freed by the terrorist group after 50 days in captivity , 13 israelis. days in captivity, 13 israelis. that's six women and seven children along with four thai nationals, were transported out of gaza through the rafah border crossing last night . crossing last night. >> boris johnson told gb news anti—semitism is like a virus which in his words, lurks beneath the floorboards of western civilisation . western civilisation. >> the former prime minister is attending a march in central london, standing against anti—jewish racism . it comes anti—jewish racism. it comes amid concerns over rising tensions across the uk sparked by the conflict in gaza .

by the conflict in gaza. >> former england manager terry venables has died at the age of 80 after a long illness . 80 after a long illness. >> his family released a statement saying , we're totally statement saying, we're totally devastated by the loss of a wonderful husband, terry venables took charge of england between 1994 and 1996, leading them to the semi—finals of euro 96. gary lineker paid tribute, describing venables as vibrant, charming and witty. describing venables as vibrant, charming and witty . that's all charming and witty. that's all we have time for, for the moment. but there's more at the top of the hour and also more right now on our website. gbnews.com .

little bit of banter as well. anywhere else, breakfast with eamonn and isabel, monday to thursdays from . thursdays from. >> welcome back. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv , online and on live on tv, online and on digital radio. now, footballers across the have come across the country have come together pay tribute to the together to pay tribute to the former footballer and former english footballer and manager venables , who manager terry venables, who passed away aged 80. venables passed away aged 80. mr venables played and captained for various clubs, including chelsea tottenham hotspur and queens park rangers during the 1960s and 70s. so joining me now is gb news sports presenter aidan magee aiden. thank you for joining me now, terry venables, he's died. he's aged what he's died. he's aged 80. what will he most be remembered for ? will he most be remembered for? i that's quite a personal question itself. >> nana because one of the

criticisms of terry venables dunng criticisms of terry venables during his career and alex ferguson said this himself, as did george graham, one of his great friends and contemporaries that terry was so good at, so many different things and in fact, football coaching was just never going to be enough for him. he had a stellar as him. he had a stellar career as a a player. you mentioned a as a player. you mentioned some clubs played for some of the clubs he played for there. he was never really an elite in the elite footballer in the sense that that some of his contemporaries, like alan mullery best were. mullery and george best were. but he did get two caps for england. probably england. he played probably over 500 that you 500 games for the clubs that you mentioned. was the it was mentioned. but it was the it was the coaching and it was the imparting of knowledge which made him really come into his own . you look team of the own. you look at the team of the 80s was described 80s as it was described at crystal the late 70s, crystal palace in the late 70s, early 80s. it didn't really work out at boardroom level and it became a of a noose around became a bit of a noose around his in ways, this his neck in some ways, this whole team 80s moniker whole team of the 80s moniker that today. that still exists today. but when to queens when he went to queens park rangers, where really rangers, that's where he really kind made his name as a kind of made made his name as a as a football manager. just as a football manager. and just for there, he he took for context there, he he took qpr the cup final as qpr to the 1982 fa cup final as a second division side. only two clubs have done that since

sunderland in 92. cardiff in 2008. up as 2008. he took them up as champions in 1983 and then in 84 he got them into europe in their first season in the top flight. and that was when and this will never and the never happen again. and the queens manager was queens park rangers manager was poached fc barcelona. they poached by fc barcelona. they had la liga title in had won one la liga title in spain 1960. he delivered spain since 1960. he delivered that title in his first season. he then took him to the european cup final in 1986, losing on penalties . then he came back to penalties. then he came back to england and then he got a chance with tottenham hotspur. and this is where the problems with his outside interests came it. is where the problems with his omean, interests came it. is where the problems with his omean, inte had; came it. is where the problems with his omean, inte had a:ame it. is where the problems with his omean,intehad a failed it. is where the problems with his omean,intehad a failed business i mean, he had a failed business running alongside i mean, he had a failed business runninggraham alongside i mean, he had a failed business runninggraham and1gside i mean, he had a failed business runninggraham and ronie i mean, he had a failed business runninggraham and ron chopper george graham and ron chopper harris, that, harris, a few years before that, he nightclub in the he had a nightclub in the west end called scribes he he end called scribes west. he he wrote sitcom? no, sorry. he wrote a sitcom? no, sorry. he wrote. written some wrote. he'd already written some novels then . he was a very novels by then. he was a very accomplished singer. mean , accomplished singer. i mean, i went beeches few went to burnham beeches a few years ago where england were occupied during euro 96, and a young german guy who had interest football was was interest in football was was showing around parts showing me around all the parts of paul of the hotel where paul gascoigne was at 3:00 in the gascoigne was up at 3:00 in the morning tennis for morning playing tennis for example, pointed the example, and he pointed out the grand said, oh,

grand piano and he said, oh, that's terry used that's where terry venables used to serenade the to to use to serenade the squad to relax them games. but relax them before games. but just that, england just before that, that england experience, thing experience, the tottenham thing was interesting because he got the best out of paul gascoigne, there's question that. the best out of paul gascoigne, therelinekerjestion that. the best out of paul gascoigne, there linekerjesti one that. the best out of paul gascoigne, therelinekerjestione his1at. gary lineker was one of his top players well, i do think players as well, but i do think it was the it was england, england, euro getting them england, euro 96, getting them to the semi—final, those fantastic performances against scotland holland that will scotland and holland that will really stand out when we look back but there's back on his career. but there's so, to admire. this was back on his career. but there's s(multi to admire. this was back on his career. but there's s(multi talented dmire. this was back on his career. but there's s(multi talented individual, was a multi talented individual, huge . my own huge charisma. my own disappointment he disappointment was that he managed park managed my club queens park rangers extreme distinction rangers with extreme distinction . ianed rangers with extreme distinction . invited back. . he was often invited back. i tried interview him in 2017 tried to interview him in 2017 at grosvenor hotel , and it at the grosvenor hotel, and it was fellow legend pat jennings who said to me, look, he looks terry well, i would terry looks well, but i would advise not to interview him advise you not to interview him because the best of because he's not in the best of health cognitively, right now. and was very sad. it was and that was very sad. it was a real regret mine. oh very sad. >> aidan magee thank you very much. good to talk to you. that was terry. terry venables, who has died aged 80. if you've just joined us, welcome aboard. it's just a 44 minutes just coming up to a 44 minutes

after time now to go after 3:00. it's time now to go head to head in a clash of minds. sunak vowed to minds. rishi sunak has vowed to clamp on immigration and clamp down on immigration and conceded that face of conceded that in the face of growing tory anger about his past performance, that there is obviously a lot more to do to reduce the record numbers of people are immigrating to people who are immigrating to the earlier this week the uk. and earlier this week official figures showed net migration is running at a record high, prompting boris johnson suella braverman and other right wing conservatives to attack sunak for failing to honour the government's 2019 tory manifesto pledge to bring down overall immigration. so let's see what my head head has make of that. joining me now, news gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and also political commentator and former conservative special adviser claire . who do you claire pearsall. who do you trust? nigel nelson well, i think labour have got the best policies the because policies at the moment because they're haven't they're actually they haven't got they have, they've >> well they have, they've got, they've actually they've got enough to actually do about which is do something about it. which is what. well for instance the, what. well for instance if the, if we're just talking about legal migration that employer

can pay 20% less for foreign workers as they do because it's cheaper. workers as they do because it's cheaper . and as a result of that cheaper. and as a result of that , that british people can't get getjobs , that british people can't get get jobs there because obviously they can't compete on the wages. what labour would also do would be for settlement schemes . be for settlement schemes. >> so let me get this right. they're going to pay foreign workers 20% less they do workers 20% less than they do now if they're in shortage occupation. >> so, for instance, that's occupation. >> sthatr instance, that's occupation. >> sthat going nce, that's occupation. >> sthat going to 3, that's occupation. >> sthat going to work?s isn't that going to work? >> it'll be like the eu >> it'll be a bit like the eu situation you've got situation where you've got cheapen situation where you've got cheaper, cheaper workforce coming in therefore bringing coming in and therefore bringing down wages around down the wages of those around who actually live here for those jobs. so how that good policy? >> well, it depends whether you want to end immigration, whether you want lower the you want to lower the immigration figures or not. so most the this is being driven most of the this is being driven by vacancies and health and social care . social care. >> the wages there are low enough as it is exactly . and enough as it is exactly. and what labour's policy a good idea? >> well, it's also robert jenrick policy. the immigration minister, he's nicked it from labour and says he wants to do the same thing and he wants to

go further and make and make it that people can't come in unless they earn at least £35,000. now if you raise your care workers wages to that kind of level, the we're going to need higher taxes to pay for the care workers. we need this is why all these but a lot of those are private businesses. >> so why do we pay higher taxes? private businesses will have to make more money. it doesn't come out of our taxes. >> well, it does in the in the sense health and social sense that health and social care linked. so on basis care are linked. so on the basis that we have to pay for the nhs out of taxes, you're right that some of these things are private businesses, but we're still we still have an awful lot that aren't . so you've got council aren't. so you've got council care homes and so on where you would have to pay care workers. their point i'm is that their point i'm making is that everything is actually interlinked. so just say, interlinked. so if you just say, let's get immigration down, this is what you can do to do it. but it has a on effect elsewhere. >> all right, claire pearsall

oh, i see. now, this is a really difficult one. i don't trust labour to bring down immigration at all. and in fact, i think all they will do is raise it. they don't have proper policies in place and proper plans and their leader is over there being nice to the eu, wanting ever closer ties and probably he will rejoin enough to get so is david cameron. david cameron has also been talking about closer ties with the eu. i know this is on security and i was going to say, i mean that's on security. keir starmer was deliberately talking about migration issue when about the migration issue when he over there it would he was over there and it would look we would end up look as if we would end up taking a quota the european taking a quota of the european migrants into the uk. so it would increase numbers. don't would increase numbers. i don't think it's a it's really difficult because it's such a big subject and you've got legal migration and you've got illegal migration. the government is in a mess with it because it cannot get any of its plans off the ground for very different reasons , mainly because they're reasons, mainly because they're ill thought through and very expensive. but interesting expensive. but it's interesting that labour haven't come up with

anything that looks remarkably like a plan. they're putting some wishy washy pledges together would get rid together that they would get rid of the backlog in asylum claims . of the backlog in asylum claims. okay. how you going to okay. well how are you going to do that? because it's going to cost and they cost money and time and they don't the answers as the don't have the answers as the government struggling because government is struggling because it has had 13 years to sort these things out. and i think it's a little bit rich of the likes of suella braverman to say this is appalling. look at the net migration figures when she has been home secretary for the last 12 months. it hasn't managed to actually deal with it. >> whether we have a >> as to whether we have a flexible system for >> as to whether we have a flex needs system for >> as to whether we have a flex needs of system for >> as to whether we have a flex needs of the system for >> as to whether we have a flex needs of the british tem for the needs of the british economy. words, that economy. so in other words, that was it? was the plan, wasn't it? >> well, yes, indeed. >> well, yes, indeed. >> but at the moment, i mean, jenrick is coming an jenrick is coming up with an idea where you a cap on, for idea where you put a cap on, for instance, again, health and social in, social care workers coming in, not families in. not allowing their families in. if flexible system if you work a flexible system based on what we need . so at the based on what we need. so at the moment, we need care workers also on on the shortage occupation list of ballet dancers, we probably don't need ballet dancers to undercut but domestic ones.

>> but that's that's where the government actually there's been a really, really sensible suggestion from robert jenrick to the shortage to remove the shortage occupation list as, as, as in entirety because i mean it is outdated. >> we don't how many ballerinas do we need? >> how many geologists do we need?i >> how many geologists do we need? i think it's ridiculous. but i do think that you you start to make problems for yourself . if you put caps start to make problems for yourself. if you put caps on numbers . and i've been there and numbers. and i've been there and i've seen this where we've reached the cap for health care workers coming into the united kingdom and the nhs was struggling and they needed those workers urgently. and you have to fiddle around with the rules. so, yes, there's you need a flexible system, but unfortunately, the immigration system doesn't allow this. >> so. so disagree with >> so. so you disagree with robert jenrick side ? robert jenrick on your side? yeah, i do. on the basis that that a cap would be wrong. yes. about what? about what about stopping relatives coming in with people ill, which obviously is an attraction if they're going a certain job. going to do a certain job. >> absolutely is. and sometimes

people abuse that. and there are cases where you have a university student who has not only brought their their dependent children and their spouse, but they've also brought their mother, their grandfather, their mother, their grandfather, their auntie, and that's abusing of a system. so i do think that we need to be a lot tighter for all that these people aren't. but it doesn't matter because i think that is an abuse of a system. if you are coming here as person, have a spouse, as a person, you have a spouse, you children. absolutely. as a person, you have a spouse, you see children. absolutely. as a person, you have a spouse, you see a|ildren. absolutely. as a person, you have a spouse, you see a problem bsolutely. as a person, you have a spouse, you see a problem with|tely. as a person, you have a spouse, you see a problem with the. don't see a problem with the family group. what i do have an issue if you adding issue with if you start adding on your grandparents, your parents, uncles is parents, your aunties, uncles is the person that lives down the road looked after road that may have looked after you were then you when you were five, then that's a and that's an abuse of a system and that's an abuse of a system and that has to be stopped. okay, so, so i mean, the tories so, so, so i mean, the tories have let it run, run, riot . we have let it run, run, riot. we have let it run, run, riot. we have had some big incidents like the war in ukraine and of course we've had the situation with hong kong. so loads of things have happened which have meant that on and that we've taken on larger and larger of people, larger proportions of people, but end, who do you but but in the end, who do you trust, who trust?

trust, nigel? who do you trust? >> i think that labour have proper policies for this. the tories just tories don't, but i just don't see by reducing this the see how by reducing this the amount required, see how by reducing this the amounincrease required, see how by reducing this the amounincrease it required, see how by reducing this the amounincrease it won't uired, see how by reducing this the amounincrease it won't it?3d, that'll increase it won't it? >> claire yeah. i mean i have to trust the conservatives to get it if they have the right it right if they have the right home secretary place, they've home secretary in place, they've had many ? five it? eight. had how many? five is it? eight. i don't know. five. six. is it eight. i think it's eight. oh i've missed a few. i don't know whether i trust any of them. come and go very quickly. they do, who do do, don't they? listen, who do you at home? you trust at home? vaiews@gbnews.com. i'd love to hear think. probably hear what you think. probably none braces none of them. as britain braces for a possible freeze next week with temperatures plunging to as low as minus five degrees , many low as minus five degrees, many are saying that the government's energy bill support scheme should revived and as the should be revived and as the cost living crisis continues cost of living crisis continues to demand for another to bite, demand for another winter fuel allowance is high. but should the government be subsidising bills subsidising our energy bills again? remember what it means. it means that they'll borrow off us or we will. we won't . us or we will. we won't. actually, we'll pay less . but actually, we'll pay less. but the money is a loan. it doesn't mean that we're going to have to

pay mean that we're going to have to pay it back. remember that claire pearsall think there pay it back. remember that clai to pearsall think there pay it back. remember that clai to be rsall think there pay it back. remember that clai to be rs point think there pay it back. remember that clai to be rs point where there pay it back. remember that clai to be rs point where the; has to be a point where the government subsidise the government cannot subsidise the pubuc government cannot subsidise the public further . and if public any further. and if you're going to we all we have a plan in place for those vulnerable people , for the vulnerable people, for the elderly. they have there are packages in place for their fuel bills. if they're going to look at subsidising everybody in the country, then that's blatantly ridiculous. there are a lot of people that don't require money off of the state in to order heat their homes. and if you're not going to means test it, you're going to give it to everybody. then you're going to have some people who are going to have their heating like to have their heating on like a sauna people that are sauna and other people that are going suffering going to be suffering and i don't think right. the don't think it's right. the energy companies to play energy companies need to play their need to and their part. they need to go and look what they can do. but look at what they can do. but i'm not convinced it's for the government to keep burying the handin government to keep burying the hand in the pocket and handing it out to people for no good. nigel nelson well, i mean, i tend to agree with that actually, that there was a subsidy that ran from october to

april to april this year and that capped energy costs at £2,500. >> now , the bills have been >> now, the bills have been going down, but of course, they're about to go up again. so in january, you're looking at paying in january, you're looking at paying on the cap £94 extra. i think the worry . forjeremy hunt think the worry. for jeremy hunt is that inflation will start going up and he'll have a problem with that. but if you start start paying people's bills constantly or the government does, all that's going to happen is the taxpayer is effectively paying it and taxes will end up going up. >> well, this is what we've had and this is why we've been we've found ourselves in this situation with huge taxes now to sort for sort of counteract and pay for this. ultimately, should this. so ultimately, then should we stop these subsidies? yes or no well, the subsidies . no? well, i mean, the subsidies. yes or no? yes or no? no not for the pensioners and for benefit claimants. no time to stop them. well, love to hear well, listen, we'd love to hear your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.uk com. more com. stay tuned. loads more still to come. you're with me.

i'm this is gb on the i'm akua this is gb news on the way . 50 days since hamas struck. way. 50 days since hamas struck. who is winning the war? some of your thoughts also , my monologue your thoughts also, my monologue is the world has gone is on how the world has gone mad. you won't want to miss that first weather. >> hello there and greg dewhurst. and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . latest gb news weather forecast. it's still rather cloudy , it's still rather cloudy, staying unsettled over the next few days and temperatures starting to fall further as well. low pressure dominating the weather pattern at the moment , the weather pattern at the moment, bringing some brisk winds to eastern areas. this low pressure moves away, allowing a brief before then. brief respite before then. further weather systems in further weather systems move in through the middle to end of next week . this evening time, next week. this evening time, lots across the uk. lots of cloud across the uk. outbreaks rain , 1 or outbreaks of rain, 1 or 2 heavier bursts possible temperatures dropping under clear across parts of clear skies across parts of scotland and patchy frost here, but showers feeding in from the north—east elsewhere. lots of cloud outbreaks of rain will keep temperatures up . so keep temperatures up. so a milder night than of late. generally holding up between 5 and 9 celsius. but that means england, wales, northern ireland and 9 celsius. but that means englstartwales, northern ireland

and 9 celsius. but that means englstart off.es, northern ireland and 9 celsius. but that means englstart off cloudythern ireland and 9 celsius. but that means englstart off cloudy outbreaks nd will start off cloudy outbreaks of rain. slipping slowly of rain. this slipping slowly south eastwards as we go through the day, allowing brighter skies to parts of to follow across parts of northern ireland, western scotland, western fringes scotland, later western fringes of wales, the east of england and wales, the east staying breezy with showery outbreaks of rain, which could be times turning wintry be heavy at times turning wintry over the higher ground of scotland temperatures scotland and temperatures dropping goes on dropping as the day goes on generally a single figures generally into a single figures as the winds turn around to a northerly direction . then into northerly direction. then into tuesday, it's a cold frosty start. some fog patches first thing and then a brighter , drier thing and then a brighter, drier day for many. there will be some wintry showers across the north and then the next few days, temperatures continue to fall overnight. frost fog and the overnight. frost and fog and the risk some hill snow, too

but an awful lot. >> hello. good afternoon and welcome. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion . it's it's about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. course , it's theirs. and of course, it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing, and at times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton . and author christine hamilton. but before we get started , let's but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines with . aaron

with. aaron >> hey, good afternoon. it's 4:00. i'm aaron armstrong. some breaking news. israel's defence forces say the red cross has now received 14 israeli hostages and three foreign nationals who are being held captive by hamas in exchange, israel has agreed to free a number of palestinian prisoners . that is to be prisoners. that is to be confirmed. the exchange comes on the third day of a four day truce. now, qatar , which has truce. now, qatar, which has been mediating between the sides, says it hopes the truce will be extended with the release of further captives . release of further captives. now, an irish israeli girl who was initially feared to have been killed has been reunited with her father following her release by hamas late last night. emily hand was amongst 17 hostages freed by the terrorist group yesterday after 50 days in captivity. 13 israelis, that's six women and seven children along with four thai nationals, were transferred , sorted out of were transferred, sorted out of

gaza through the rafah border crossing . and amit salva, crossing. and amit salva, chairman of the kibbutz emily, was taken from . he says he's was taken from. he says he's particularly relieved . particularly relieved. >> emily hand is a closure for me because unfortunate ali, i'm the one who told her father that she has murdered , been murdered, she has murdered, been murdered, been found, murdered and a week later, i'm the one who told the father that she probably captured so it's a kind of a relief for me that she's still alive . she's here. she with us. alive. she's here. she with us. and i have to tell her father to give him a hug. >> well, the boss of the safra children's hospital at the sheba medical centre, that's professor itai pesach, has been discussing the treatment of the women and children who were freed yesterday . yesterday. >> i am happy to say that despite the fact that the harsh

conditions that have been under and the experience of captivity, they did not require any emergent medical intervention. we will keep them here at the edmond safra children's hospital for as long as they need and care for them, help them in their preparation of coming back to their communities. >> with 39 palestinian were released east from a prison in the west bank last night in exchange for the israeli hostages . exchange for the israeli hostages. hundreds of exchange for the israeli hostages . hundreds of people hostages. hundreds of people welcomed their return in the early hours of this morning, crowds cheered . they were crowds cheered. they were clapping and waving flags in the streets as the prisoners arrived on buses. it's understood the group includes six women and 33 children , boris johnson's told children, boris johnson's told gb news anti semitism is like a

virus which lurks beneath the floorboards of western civilisation. the former prime minister has been attending a march in central london, standing against anti—jewish racism. it comes amid concerns over rising tensions in the uk sparked by the conflict in gaza . sparked by the conflict in gaza. mr johnson told us it's sad that the march has to go ahead in the first place, all doing here and the only thing we're really doing is showing solidarity with jewish people and that's necessary because since october 7, i'm afraid there's been a very peculiar response in many parts of the world, including i'm sad to say, in london and what we've seen is a i'm afraid that the re—emergence of anti semitism and a failure to focus on the appalling terroristic acts of hamas. on the appalling terroristic acts of hamas . and former acts of hamas. and former england manager terry venables has died at the age of 80. venables managed england from 1994 to 96, leading them to the

semi—finals of euro 96. he won the fa cup with tottenham and led barcelona to the spanish league title. his family released a statement saying, we're totally devastated by the loss of a wonderful husband and father who passed away peacefully yesterday after a long and gary lineker, long illness and gary lineker, who played under venables , said who played under venables, said he was much more though, than just a great manager. he was vibrant, he charming , he was vibrant, he was charming, he was witty. he was a friend . we're witty. he was a friend. we're alive across the uk on tv , in alive across the uk on tv, in your car, digital radio and on your car, digital radio and on your smart speaker. just say, play your smart speaker. just say, play gb news. now let's get back to nana . to nana. >> thank you, aaron. writers, just coming up to five minutes after 4:00. welcome on board. if you've just joined me, i'm nana akua.i you've just joined me, i'm nana akua . i like to call this one. akua. i like to call this one. has the world gone mad ? and now has the world gone mad? and now if you ask people who have bought into what is, in my view, claptrap, that gender identity is not related to biological

sex, this can't even make sense to them, surely . today i read to them, surely. today i read that newborn babies were having their gender identity rather than their biological sex registered at birth . yep. so registered at birth. yep. so instead of the words biological sex, which makes perfect sense because it's binary, you either are registered male or female, which is determined by your anatomy. midwives filling in the forms at king's college , london forms at king's college, london and guy's and saint thomas hospital were given the option to select gender identity instead on the new it system. so if gender identity as these ideologues continue to profess, is something that you as an individual determine should and can be different to your biological sex, how the hell can a newborn baby who frankly doesn't even know what is happening , or doesn't even know what is happening, or a medic doesn't even know what is happening , or a medic who has happening, or a medic who has only just delivered the baby and the parents who won't know what the parents who won't know what the child is supposedly identifies a because he she identifies as a because he she can't speak , and b, because the can't speak, and b, because the child doesn't even know about

the world yet. how can someone determine the gender identity of that newborn , even if the whole that newborn, even if the whole premise of gender identity is that it premise of gender identity is thatitis premise of gender identity is that it is unrelated to biological sex? it doesn't stand up to scrutiny and something else here, in my view, is happening. this slow creep to modify our language subtly, because that's how those behind this nonsense have behaved thus far. things like including those who identify as women to the definition of woman in the dictionary, justified , by the dictionary, justified, by the way the word is used rather than the actual what the word means is making the changes with no real consensus but the effect it enables men to claim that they are women according to the dictionary definition. but changing the definition of biological sex at birth to include the option to select gender identity is scarily chilling. it's an infiltration of the influence of transgender activism . now, this should have

activism. now, this should have no place in a setting where biology and fact truly matters. as these forms are part of a patient's health records for life. now a midwife blew the whistle on this practice. the changes were all part of a new £450 million system called epic , £450 million system called epic, which was being rolled out to london, teaching hospitals and nhs trusts nationwide over the next 15 years. maya for starter from the campaign group sex matters said london hospital's register bring babies by gender identity is absurd and chilling and a clear indicator of the extent to which trans activism has taken over the nhs . now a has taken over the nhs. now a spokesperson for the hospital's thanked the daily mail the mail on sunday. sorry, who uncovered the story for what they called the story for what they called the unfortunate language change. and they said this error is being rectified as quickly as possible and we apologise for any confusion caused. we are changing it to read sex for the newborn hospital discharge

summary can you imagine if this had gone unchecked? all this under the under the backdrop of the removal of the word mother woman breastfeeding? i mean the list goes on. look i get it. some people believe that gender identity is separate to biological sex. i don't . but biological sex. i don't. but they are welcome to that belief . they are welcome to that belief. but i draw the line at a baby being given a gender identity at birth . so before we get stuck birth. so before we get stuck into the debate , here's what into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour, i'm it's 50 days i'm asking it's 50 days since hamas struck , but who is winning hamas struck, but who is winning the war? israel, hamas or no one? and you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. and i have a pull up right now on ex asking that very question. send your that very question. send me your thoughts, , or thoughts, vaiews@gbnews.uk, or tweet at gb news. it's been tweet me at gb news. it's been 50 days since hamas struck with that awful attack on the seventh, but who do you think is

winning the war then at 450, it's world view. i'll be speaking to an israeli government spokesperson , dr. government spokesperson, dr. ophir on the ongoing ophir foulk, on the ongoing hostage with hamas . hostage negotiations with hamas. plus, we'll live to los plus, we'll cross live to los angeles with duddridge, the angeles with paul duddridge, the host the politics people host of the politics people podcast, latest on podcast, to get the latest on trump leading the polls and trump leading in the polls and get an update on the republicans were urging ron desantis to drop out of the race at 5:00. it's outside and i'll be speaking to a prominent founding member of an all female dance troupe most commonly associated with the bbc tv music chart show. top of the pops. have you guessed it yet ? pops. have you guessed it yet? that's on the way in the next hour, that's on the way in the next hour , as ever, tell me what you hour, as ever, tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all right, let's at. gb news. all right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly also journalist danny kelly and also broadcast and author christine hamilton . broadcast and author christine hamilton. right. so

broadcast and author christine hamilton . right. so welcome. hamilton. right. so welcome. good to see you both. thank you. good to see you both. thank you. good to see you both. thank you. good to be here. yes, lovely. christine, i'm going to start with you eventually . somebody with you eventually. somebody spotted this. this is why it was changed. but had this midwife not seen people like the not seen it and people like the mail on sunday not got hold of it spoken about it, this it and spoken about it, this would have gone under the radar. it could have gone the it could have gone under the radar goodness radar for goodness knows how long raft of babies. long and a whole raft of babies. >> don't know many people >> i don't know how many people are every day. are babies are born every day. could assigned on are babies are born every day. coul(birth assigned on are babies are born every day. coul(birth certificate. assigned on are babies are born every day. coul(birth certificate. and ned on their birth certificate. and once it's there, it's there. it's absolutely mind blowing. you how can happen you wonder how this can happen in in in a sensible world. but the world's gone mad. it really has. what worries me is that my feeling is that most normal, ordinary day to day people like us think that that's mad. >> they dare not speak out. because look what happens when somebody with the clout of j.k. rowling speaks out. she gets cancelled. she gets absolutely demonised. and death threats so normal people think, i'm going to keep my head down. but i think the majority is on our

side. this is absolute nonsense. and it's got to stop. what sort of money has that cost to change it to gender and change it back again when got record again when we've got record waiting mean, waiting lists? i mean, i'm horrified by that. >> but the point is, these people who believe in the notion of gender identity, i don't it's a or female biological. a male or female biological. it's quite simple. but if people want that complicated way want to go that complicated way later on, but they're saying that you can decide on your gender and that's how the belief is. so if you can decide on your gender and that's what gender identity is, how can a baby do that? >> well, it can't, can it? >>— >> well, it can't, can it? >> thank god the hospital have corrected. >> thank god the hospital have correcteya midwife who spotted it. >> was a midwife who spotted it. yeah for the yeah well, thank god for the midwife god for the hospital. >> and thank god for the mail on sunday, because it is insidious. >> this thank for nana >> this and thank god for nana and god for nana who and thank god for nana akua who also sister also writes for the sister papen also writes for the sister paper, the daily mail. >> disconcerting . it's >> it's disconcerting. it's troublesome. and it's worrying, isn't that word replacement isn't it, that word replacement and normalisation . and the normalisation. >> and what always gets me if you have any question about climate science, about the veracity of it, people will say,

well, don't you trust the scientists ? scientists? >> you trust your doctor when he prescribes you something ? now prescribes you something? now that's part of science , but you that's part of science, but you don't trust the climate scientists because the climate denier that names so, so, so you can't have it both ways . can't have it both ways. >> either you trust science. so if trust science, then you if you trust science, then you can't decide your own gender. >> it's one the other. it's >> it's one or the other. it's binary, like gender. binary, just like gender. >> they detach the >> but they try and detach the word from sex. so then word gender from sex. so then they're they're argument is that genderis they're they're argument is that gender is not associated to biology . but if that's the case, biology. but if that's the case, it means that you can determine it, but a baby cannot determine it. so the fact that they're using language suggests using that language suggests that to slow that they're trying to slow creep of that language. >> mission creep. >> it's mission creep. it's mission creep, it's word replacement. it's replacement. it's and it's normalising nonsense . that's normalising nonsense. that's what it's doing. yeah, but also, you see, we know that a baby can't decide they've just been born. >> but it's not true, though. >> but it's not true, though. >> so the fact that we're discussing it saying a baby can't that's why can't decide. but that's why i specifically you specifically said that if you buy it , then a baby can't buy into it, then a baby can't decide . but it's not real. decide. but it's not real. >> no, but but, but, but what's

worrying infiltrate worrying is that it's infiltrate the nhs to such an extent . the nhs to such an extent. >> now, unless it's the person who's actually signed it all off, who's replaced the word sex with gender identity , then we with gender identity, then we need to determine how many people are involved in the if you like, the chain of command. >> i thought that that was a good idea. >> and what else has been replaced other normal replaced and what other normal ization is cooking up to in the back? >> well, there's mother, there's breastfeeding became breast feeding. >> they try to get rid of the word mother. they tried to get rid people with wombs rid of people with wombs and people who people with wombs, people who menstruate. so getting getting rid fact it's women. rid of the fact that it's women. so language slowly. so removing language slowly. i mean, the dictionary definition of includes men who of woman now includes men who identify as women. it didn't include that. that's the dictionary so dictionary definition. so they've now as they've added that in now as well. if you're you well. so if you're a man, you can now if you identify as a can now say if you identify as a woman that are a woman or a woman that you are a woman or a man who identifies a woman , man who identifies as a woman, in my is a trans woman, of in my view, is a trans woman, of course it's not. >> now they say it. but >> so now they can say it. but now includes. now definition includes. >> when i when i >> yeah, and when i when i pointed everyone goes, pointed this out, everyone goes, oh nothing.

oh no, it's nothing. and i thought, is just me. thought, no, this is just me. >> is mission creep. as i >> it is mission creep. as i say, it's normalising nonsense and to and it's a gross insult to women. cis for women. we're not cis women, for goodness sake. women. goodness sake. we're women. anybody is different to anybody who is different to a woman who wants to be a woman anybody who is different to a wonto. who wants to be a woman anybody who is different to a wonto. they're nts to be a woman anybody who is different to a wonto. they're the to be a woman anybody who is different to a wonto. they're the to be whoyman has to. they're the ones who have to adjective or have to put the adjective or whatever. trans women. you're right. to call myself right. i refuse to call myself a cis. right. i refuse to call myself a cis honestly, not a cis woman right. i refuse to call myself a cis honeltly, not a cis woman right. i refuse to call myself a cis honel don't not a cis woman right. i refuse to call myself a cis honel don't callt a cis woman right. i refuse to call myself a cis honel don't call me:is woman right. i refuse to call myself a cis honel don't call me cis. oman anyway. i don't call me cis. >> it so ridiculous that you >> it is so ridiculous that you begin can't be true. begin to think it can't be true. but the newspaper, so it but it's in the newspaper, so it must be. >> but that's the thing. >> but. but that's the thing. i mean, lot people might mean, a lot of people might listen to this and think, oh, you're being silly. it's you're just being silly. it's the wars everything, the culture wars and everything, but the implications for it are vast suddenly you vast because you suddenly you have suddenly accepted the nofion have suddenly accepted the notion identity notion that gender identity exists separate from exists and is separate from biological sex. and now you are now using that language interchangeably, then interchangeably, which then starts to make it into the consequences of pushing back. >> you lose your job, you get cancelled. >> yeah, people only people. >> yeah, people only people. >> i've always said this . >> i've always said this. >> i've always said this. >> the pushback starts when there are commercial interests. >> example , netflix. >> for example, netflix. >> for example, netflix. >> a lot of pressure >> there was a lot of pressure on netflix to drop a on the netflix boss to drop a certain . certain. >> oh, tell you what it >> oh, i'll tell you what it

was. was a comedy show with was. it was a comedy show with the comedian dave chappelle. was. it was a comedy show with the cythat'san dave chappelle. was. it was a comedy show with the cythat'san davand appelle. was. it was a comedy show with the cythat'san davand there's. yeah that's right. and there's a lot pushback. trans activists yeah that's right. and there's a lot the hback. trans activists yeah that's right. and there's a lot the pushback ns activists yeah that's right. and there's a lot the pushback stoppedsts . and the pushback stopped because all of a sudden netflix realised that was a lot of realised that there was a lot of money stake . and so you can money at stake. and so you can be as nice want trans be as nice as you want to trans activists. as soon as activists. but as soon as shareholders to lose shareholders start to lose dough, then reality kicks in. well, it was broadcast it. they broadcast it. >> mulvaney dylan mulvaney as well, presumably. of course , budweiser. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> and how's the bush, the owning it ? owning company that owns it? >> presumably you now have to ask before they've had ask a baby before they've had their which is their first feed. which one is it? different pronouns. they it? 72 different pronouns. they can choose. >> it's ridiculous. don't even get started. >> it's ridiculous. don't even get no, ted. >> it's ridiculous. don't even get no, sorry. well if you >> no, no, sorry. well if you just joined us. >> welcome on board. it's just coming up to 16 minutes after 4:00. news live 4:00. this is gb news for live on online and on digital on tv online and on digital radio. nana akua coming up, on tv online and on digital raditime nana akua coming up, on tv online and on digital raditime forana akua coming up, on tv online and on digital raditime for world .ua coming up, on tv online and on digital raditime for world view. zoming up, on tv online and on digital raditime for world view. that's up, it's time for world view. that's on the way. i'll be speaking to israeli government spokesperson with the ongoing hostage negotiations with hamas. but up next, time for the great next, it's time for the great british this hour. and british debate this hour. and i'm 50 days since hamas i'm asking 50 days since hamas struck . who is winning the war?

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government is under pressure from the families of the remaining hostages as well as diplomatic efforts from the united states to restrain its assault on gaza and focus instead on deescalating measures instead on deescalating measures in order to get its people out. but is restraint really the best policy when dealing with a militant terrorist group? and surely this is exactly what hamas want . surely this is exactly what hamas want. can israel still surely this is exactly what hamas wa hope to defeat hamas? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking 50 days since hamas struck. who is winning the war? well, joining me now to go to discuss is nigel nelson gb news, senior political commentator. and clare pearson, former conservative adviser. conservative special adviser. right. nigel i'm going to start with you. who do you think? what's your view on what's your take on it anyway ? take on it anyway? >> israel is going to win. i don't think there's any doubt about that. they've mobilised 550,000 troops that is in contrast to hamas, about 25,000 strong. of those , probably 5000 strong. of those, probably 5000 are being killed already. so

what's going to happen is that israel, israel will find take over the north, the south will be much more difficult to do and there will be regime change in gaza. and that means it's going to be a long war. but eventually they'll win it. >> oh, great. oracle nigel, what do you think? claire neither side is winning at the moment. you've got innocent people on both sides dying , so therefore both sides dying, so therefore i don't see how you can say that somebody is winning when that happens. i think the people it is, it is war. and i sincerely hope that israel do succeed . i hope that israel do succeed. i think hamas needs to be taken out of the equation entirely. but the moment, you look at but at the moment, you look at both sides and you think, both sides and you just think, no, of this is right. no, this none of this is right. none of this working. it is none of this is working. it is an atrocious situation. only an atrocious situation. the only people , strangely, that are people, strangely, that are coming out well at the moment people, strangely, that are conthe out well at the moment people, strangely, that are conthe americanst the moment people, strangely, that are conthe americans fore moment people, strangely, that are conthe americans for theirment are the americans for their negotiating power in setting up this deal with the qataris . and this deal with the qataris. and inever this deal with the qataris. and i never thought i would ever say

that qataris were going to be top the list here at the top of the list here at the moment. there that kind moment. but there are that kind of negotiation and that kind of high americans. high level from the americans. let's give them the praise. where we can is helping to turn this situation around. are this situation around. there are an who are an awful lot of israelis who are really at netanyahu really angry at what netanyahu is obviously the rest is doing. and obviously the rest of the world like very, very sensible people, the sensible people, despise the terrorist group hamas. so nobody is looking great at the moment. so i think that we need to get this settled. we need some kind of peace agreement come of peace agreement to come in place. lot of place. but there's been a lot of support people, the support for people, the palestinian people well . but palestinian people as well. but but as we've seen , it's in my but as we've seen, it's in my view, quite difficult in many respects to divide a lot of the palestinian people from the hamas element because there's a large portion of people, i would presume, in palestine that would support . yeah, well, support hamas. yeah, well, that's my view. so i'm thinking that's my view. so i'm thinking that on that respect and there are a lot of people around the world who are also you've seen all the pro—palestinian marches as lot people are as well, and a lot of people are in palestine for in support of palestine for this. particular war. this. this particular war. >> yes. i mean, they certainly

are. not sure about the are. i'm not sure about the support hamas. i mean, at support for hamas. i mean, at the moment, biggest danger the moment, the biggest danger we face is other countries getting involved, particularly iran . now, the whole point of iran. now, the whole point of the americans sending a fleet there and we've sent ships there as well, is to warn iran, stay out because that would would escalate conflict . but but escalate the conflict. but but what it comes down at the moment and you have to divide gaza from the west bank, west bank is palestinian authority much more moderate ? not entirely. without moderate? not entirely. without some hamas presence presence there, but but moderate . and if there, but but moderate. and if they end up taking over gaza at they end up taking over gaza at the end of all this , then you the end of all this, then you probably you won't be able to. i think claire's right. ever get rid of hamas completely. but you should get them out of gaza . should get them out of gaza. >> claire, i think i mean, the most important thing we have to do and nigel is quite right on this, is to ensure that iran don't get involved because i think that really does make this conflict into something that is worse than we've already seen. and none of us want to have

that. it drags in the europeans, it drags in the uk. we have to respond . so i think that that respond. so i think that that level of negotiation needs to happen , but we need to ensure happen, but we need to ensure that all of those hostages that were abducted by hamas are returned to israel via egypt or whatever way they're going to do it. that has to be on the cards and that has to be the first priority. i mean, israel care deeply at getting their own citizens back so that they will give back prisoners, some of which are convicted criminals. as we heard earlier from one of your guests, back to palestine. so are playing their part. so they are playing their part. what cannot is hamas to what we cannot trust is hamas to stick to their word. and as we've seen, they promise all sorts then sorts of things and then they backtrack on it. u—turn, backtrack on it. they u—turn, they delay things , they play they delay things, they play a different game . and it's going different game. and it's going to very , very difficult to to be very, very difficult to look any future deals with look at any future deals with hamas at the table because you cannot trust that they are going to work in interests of to work in the interests of palestinian about palestinian people. what about the ceasefire, though, or this

for day pause? wouldn't this be an opportunity for hamas to rearm and that's always the worry. and it's why i've never called for a ceasefire because it benefits hamas more than it benefits anybody else. they can regroup. they can get firepower , regroup. they can get firepower, power back. they can look at what they're doing and get their people involved a bit further. i think we need to be able to get aid into both regions. think we need to be able to get aid into both regions . we need aid into both regions. we need to be able to make sure people are cared for medically. so a pause, a humanitarian pause is absolutely the right way forward. and i think israel are looking as to whether that should be extended . and it would should be extended. and it would be great if it could . but the be great if it could. but the last thing you want to risk is hamas tooling up any further and causing more damage to ask how you see this ending then? because as i asked nigel, he's given his his prophecy. given us his his prophecy. i don't think nigel is wrong. i think that we will see hamas reduced to a smaller fighting force. we'll never see them

gone, you know, completely . and gone, you know, completely. and what i would like to see is a two state solution come up and some kind of stability in that region for the people that live there. it's interesting. a lot of people talk about the two state solution, nigel, but it doesn't hamas want doesn't sound like hamas want a two state solution from their from even see their from if you even see their covenant. from if you even see their covenant . it doesn't state that covenant. it doesn't state that it says it basically wants to wipe the they've wipe out all the jews. they've even said one of the leaders from hamas it if this is from hamas if it is if this is to be believed on social media. we've seen them and on tv, we've seen them say and on tv, actually not this not this actually not this not in this country, that they country, but saying that they would to do the 7th of would like to do the 7th of october again, they would it october again, they would do it again. october again, they would do it agaso all that is absolutely right. >> but the two state solution isn't an option. >> but the two state solution isn'well,»ption. >> but the two state solution isn'well,»ptio not >> but the two state solution isn'well,»ptionot an option for >> well, it's not an option for hamas, which is why hamas and the palestinian authority over in west bank are at odds in the west bank are at odds with each other because the palestinian authority know the two solution is the best two state solution is the best result for palestinians as a whole. you would then get rid of the refugee camps, which you still have that have existed since 1948. so so the rest of

the world agrees with that. the two state solution is policy everywhere. america, britain, that's the way forward. the trouble about this is that has now been put back as any any kind of solution probably in our lifetime. i just can't see how you're going to get to a two state solution after what hamas has done. >> but it may involve israel having rescind some of having to rescind some of the land they have as well to land that they have as well to give palestinians more space give the palestinians more space as can't that as well, which i can't see that happening. why would you you wouldn't prepared. again, wouldn't be prepared. again, we've settlements. >> so what you need to do is >> and so what you need to do is many of settlements on many of those settlements on palestinian land would have to be dismantled. not an easy job. and i've i've looked at the settlements and basically they're like huge housing estates. they're not sort of ramshackle shacks or anything like that. these these are real permanent settlements. but if you have a two state solution , you have a two state solution, they must come off palestinian land. they must come off palestinian land . and then you must also land. and then you must also decide what you do with

jerusalem. now the original idea was that jerusalem would be maintained by international. we say the united nations or whatever . neither side are say the united nations or whatever. neither side are very keen on that. so again, there's a long way to go to even get to a long way to go to even get to a negotiation on a two state solution. and hamas have made that more difficult. >> it's interesting because i saw a really incredible movie and guy who created and the guy who created that actually here on gb news actually came here on gb news and talked about his film and he actually the actually went into the settlements spoke to the settlements and spoke to the people the settlement people in the settlement settlements who are jewish, people have settled within settlements who are jewish, peo west have settled within settlements who are jewish, peo west bankve settled within settlements who are jewish, peo west bank andzttled within settlements who are jewish, peowest bank and withinvithin settlements who are jewish, peowest bank and within gaza . the west bank and within gaza. but mainly went to the west but he mainly went to the west bank was incredible. they bank and it was incredible. they all well with the all got on really well with the palestinian people as well. so it seems there's wider well in it seems there's a wider well in the , in the film that the video, in the film that i saw, they all got on very well. and it was a community of people. so it does i do feel a lot this comes from, i'm sure lot of this comes from, i'm sure some settlements work that he went across. some settlements work that he werthe ross. some settlements work that he werthe ones i weren't >> the ones i saw weren't getting quite well with getting on quite so well with each . each other. >> well, the >> well, listen. well, the question is, what do you think then? 50 days since the hamas struck who you think, in struck, who do you think, in

your view , is winning war? your view, is winning the war? of nigel nelson of course, that's nigel nelson and pearsall. me and claire pearsall. joining me to but are your to discuss. but what are your thoughts views that thoughts gb views that gbnews.com. me. i'm gbnews.com. you're with me. i'm nana news live nana akua this is gb news live on tv online and on digital radio. coming up, we'll continue with the british debate with the great british debate this i'm asking 50 this hour. and i'm asking 50 days hamas struck. who is days since hamas struck. who is winning the war? you'll hear the thoughts danny thoughts of my panel, danny kelly and also christine hamilton. still to come, this week's outside now, my guest later on today . week's outside now, my guest later on today. he is a founding member of a famous 90s british, all female dance troupe called oh, it's too pans. people do remember that. any ideas ? but remember that. any ideas? but first, let's get your latest news headlines with . aaron and news headlines with. aaron and it's 4:30. >> i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom . israel's army says 14 newsroom. israel's army says 14 israeli hostages and three foreign nationals have been handed over to the red cross by hamas . handed over to the red cross by hamas. israel has agreed to free a number of palestinian

prisoners. in exchange, it comes on the third day of a four day truce with qatar, which has been mediating between the sides . it mediating between the sides. it says hopes the pause in says it hopes the pause in fighting be with fighting will be extended with the release of more captives . an the release of more captives. an irish israeli girl who was initially feared dead has been reunited with her father following her release by hamas late last night. emily hand was amongst 17 hostages freed by the terror group yesterday after 50 days in captivity . in total, it days in captivity. in total, it was 13 israelis, six women and seven children, along with four thai nationals. and they were transported out of gaza through the rafah border crossing . boris the rafah border crossing. boris johnson told gb news anti—semitism is like a virus which lurks beneath the floorboards of western civilisation . former prime civilisation. former prime minister attended a march in central london, standing against anti—jewish racism. it comes amid concern over rising tensions across the uk sparked by the conflict in gaza . former by the conflict in gaza. former england manager terry venables

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>> the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on . gb sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news. good afternoon. >> if you've just tuned in, where have you been? welcome on board. done requests. coming up to 37 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel live on tv online and on digital radio. now, lots of you have been getting in touch with your . as we were talking your views. as we were talking about, had loads things about, we had loads of things to talk today we're talking talk about. today we're talking about war, israel, hamas, about the war, israel, hamas, adrian says there are two wars. the propaganda war which israel is losing thanks to the mainstream media, particularly the bbc, bbc obviously. well, he's put there and the met and the other is the military war. at the moment it's a stalemate , at the moment it's a stalemate, but israel will win . thank you but israel will win. thank you for that. that peter and he said israel will once they have hostages home as well . graham hostages home as well. graham says.

hostages home as well. graham says . ian says israel have says. ian says israel have a powerful incentive to win as losing means losing their country . and les says for every country. and les says for every hamas terrorist taken out, sadly there will be a thousand ready to take their place . we'll keep to take their place. we'll keep your thoughts coming, but let's continue with the great british debate this hour, because i'm asking 50 days since hamas struck winning war as struck who is winning the war as israel and exchange israel and hamas exchange hostages prisoners , many hostages and prisoners, many fear focus is on the fear that the focus is on the freed hostages and therefore the ceasefire will mean that hamas will somehow survive the war, even after the atrocities committed on october 7th. but is restraint really the best policy when dealing with a militant terrorist group? and surely this is exactly what hamas wants . so is exactly what hamas wants. so can israel still hope to defeat them ? so for the great british them? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking 50 days since hamas struck. who is winning the war? well let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, also broadcaster christine broadcaster and author christine hamilton. kelly. well hamilton. danny kelly. well look, whilst hamas have the

hostages, they're in control because israel wants those hostages back. >> there are some lots of different nationalities as well. there's quite a few american 20 americans apparently. is that right ? so and then there's right? so and then there's obviously soldiers that have been kidnapped. so whilst hamas listen, i'm not an expert on war strategies, but i would argue that whilst you have something of great value to you are in control, whether that actually translates to winning , there's a translates to winning, there's a difference. so i suppose at the moment hamas are in control all of the war, but some people might say that the thing that is of great value and obviously they care about their people, but is the is but what is the value is actually land and israel. actually the land and israel. >> this is what they're fighting for and israel have the so for and israel have the land. so if that premise in if you're on that premise in your view, surely it might mean that israel depends what you that israel it depends what you place highest value. sure. >> but but but your your your rationale is based on israel staying so israel, it's staying there. so israel, it's only to still only going to be there still there, correct. because only going to be there still theistill correct. because only going to be there still theistill ongoing.rrect. because only going to be there still theistill ongoing.rrectif3ecause only going to be there still theistill ongoing.rrect if it's|use it's still ongoing. but if it's a fixture, then that's a permanent fixture, then that's

something geopolitically that's something geopolitically that's something that's going to really ignite regional tensions. but at the moment, the day 50 hamas are in control , the moment, the day 50 hamas are in control, in my opinion. israel have got boots on the ground. but whilst you have the hamas a great set of hamas have got a great set of cards to play and they're doing it methodical . it in a methodical. >> about the prisoners, >> what about the prisoners, though? have though? and the people have been released you released because in a sense, you could that those were almost could say that those were almost they're because could say that those were almost they'haven't because could say that those were almost they'haven't been because could say that those were almost they'haven't been taken ause could say that those were almost they'haven't been taken in se could say that those were almost they'haven't been taken in any they haven't been taken in any way by israel. they are prisoners people who are prisoners or people who are being detained. but you could see, as hamas are equating those two hostages, then in a sense , two hostages, then in a sense, israel have plenty of prisoners christine. well well, i mean, on papen christine. well well, i mean, on paper, israel male should walk it. >> i mean, they've got 550,000 troops and 20 times stronger than hamas, who have 25,000. so on paper, army for army as it were. but it isn't as simple as that, as you say, because hamas have the whip hand with those hostages. and america is putting pressure they are pressure on israel. they are having israel is having weigh having israel is having to weigh up using the force that they've

got. they could wipe hamas out . got. they could wipe hamas out. basically difficult to get the leaders who, of course, live abroad in luxury. but they could effectively wipe hamas out. but the cost of that would be the cost of doing that would be enormous terms of civilian enormous in in terms of civilian lives and worldwide opprobrium at the moment, lives and worldwide opprobrium at the moment , the world at the moment, the world generally is with israel. >> do you think ? >> do you think? >> do you think? >> i think so. generally speaking, certainly . let's say speaking, certainly. let's say this. there are thousands. yes, the west. oh, i'm sorry. yes, the western world. there are thousands marching right now as we sit here in london to against anti—semitism . um, so the anti—semitism. um, so the western world. but that could turn if civilian casualties get worse and worse. know it's a very tricky game israel is playing. i wonder whether you're correct. >> and the reason that i say thatis >> and the reason that i say that is the french prime minister what's his name, that annoying little. >> oh, no. yeah. he won't be there much longer. never mind his wife's older. his wife's a lot older. >> i've forgotten the guy's name. >> he's gone from. my name is. what's name? remember me? what's his name? remember me? >> mike. >> mike from mike. >> mike from mike. >> micron. micron. micron. >> mike from mike. >> micron.icron. micron. micron. >> mike from mike. >> micron. macronicron. micron. >> mike from mike. >> micron. macron yeah. micron. >> mike from mike. >> micron. macron yeah. he ron. >> mike from mike. >> micron. macron yeah. he even said a couple of weeks ago , he

said a couple of weeks ago, he said, look, will israel stop? and i'm paraphrase ing lazily here, i wish got the quote. here, i wish i'd got the quote. israel have got to stop killing babies innocent people. now babies and innocent people. now he's of one of the he's the leader of one of the western one of the west. >> that is that said that >> that is that he said that i promise that paraphrasing lazily. >> but that's the gist of it. >> but that's the gist of it. >> but that's the gist of it. >> but absolutely, that's what they've got to weigh up, is that view to public opprobrium , view to public opprobrium, worldwide opprobrium against the strength that they've got to worldwide opprobrium against the stren them at they've got to worldwide opprobrium against the stren them out. ey've got to wipe them out. >> forget, one of the >> don't forget, one of the oldest planet oldest democracies on planet earth, is the great earth, which is the great british got british democracy. you've got leader that leader of the opposition that dividing their own mps. i'm not convinced the western world is robustly behind israel as people think he actually , he said he think he actually, he said he said macron calls on israel to stop killing gaza's women and babies. >> there you go. so that's what he said. yeah i still think basically they they they want to be on the side of israel. >> i mean, hamas was a terrorist attack. israel were the are the innocent party in this war. they didn't start it. hamas started it. right thinking person

it. so any right thinking person should be on the side of israel . should be on the side of israel. >> but but some people aren't . >> but but some people aren't. some people started well before this. >> well, i know, i know. >> well, i know, i know. >> but but then, you know, israel, it's been going on for what and decades? what are decades and decades? >> centuries, actually. >> well, no centuries, actually. centuries. yes, centuries. i mean history that mean, from the history that i saw that actually jewish people were on the land that is seen as israel in 3000 bc. that's what israel in 3000 bc. that's what i that's what i'd studied. >> but , you know, ultimately >> but but, you know, ultimately in the it says we are in the bible, it says we are merely stewards of earth merely stewards of the earth anyway. really owns anyway. so nobody really owns anyway. so nobody really owns any only on for any land. you're only on it for any land. you're only on it for a period time. it's a shame a period of time. it's a shame that there some of agreement. >> it's a very delicate balancing act. they've got to play balancing act. they've got to play we'll play it day by day and we'll see. but yeah, you're right. hamas have the whip hand because they've got those hostages. and my all the hostages my as soon as all the hostages are then israel go. are freed, then israel can go. >> did. >> they never did. >> they never did. >> i don't they ever will. >> i don't think they ever will. >> i don't think they ever will. >> there was a point where >> but there was a point where people had literally given up any hostages being any hope of the hostages being alive that's, and alive and that's, you know, and people, families had people, even the families had accepted then, of accepted that. but then, of course, that course, when they realised that some alive, then some people were alive, then that's tactics started that's when the tactics started to they to slightly change and they

started putting a lot of pressure on. pi'essui'e on. >> pressure on. >> like , what about that >> it's like, what about that scottish israeli scottish guy, the israeli scottish guy, the israeli scottish who through scottish guy who went through the saying, i'm glad the emotions of saying, i'm glad that so she that she's dead so that she doesn't experience this. that she's dead so that she doeand experience this. that she's dead so that she doeand then experience this. that she's dead so that she doeand then the xperience this. that she's dead so that she doeand then the emotion; this. that she's dead so that she doeand then the emotion 0t,iis. >> and then the emotion of, well, she may not well, actually, she she may not be then he thinks, be dead. and then he thinks, okay, dead. and okay, great. she's not dead. and then it on the then he just seen it on the telly. now running towards her father's telly. now running towards her fathyyou imagine the emotions of can you imagine the emotions of that guy? >> oh, look, if you're watching now know. now on now i know. >> oh, it is. >> oh, there it is. >> oh, there it is. >> how not him, but >> how amazing. not him, but i think was just the one in the think it was just the one in the one before. >> his wife died of >> thing is, his wife died of cancer years ago. he's cancer many years ago. so he's been that child since been raised in that child since the of two. the age of two. >> look, there. >> look, there. >> so it's really sad. >> so it's really sad. >> it's a remarkable roller coaster. >> oh, beautiful. i'm so glad to see reunited. see them reunited. >> look it's just. >> oh, look at him. it's just. >> oh, look at him. it's just. >> let's see what the >> but but let's see what the viewers this viewers think, because this shows without shows nothing without them. let's welcome our great british voices, be voices, your opportunity to be on us what you on the show. tell us what you think about the topics we're discussing. to discussing. let's go over to where should should we where should we go? should we go? kidderminster, the of go? kidderminster, the home of carpets, the home of home of carpets, the home of home of carpets, back to john reid. carpets, the back to john reid. he's there in kidderminster. john to us. what do john john, speak to us. what do you think, in view ? do you you think, in your view? do you think danny christina.

think that danny and christina. right. of hostage situation because of the hostage situation , that hamas upper hand , that hamas had the upper hand in war? in this war? >> i think it's very easy >> well, i think it's very easy to look at any war nana and decide who's going to be the winner. >> and who's going to be the loser in military terms. >> actually , nobody wins, do >> but actually, nobody wins, do they? >> but actually, nobody wins, do the lots of lots of people die in >> lots of lots of people die in this case. >> thousands have already died . >> thousands have already died. really? the only people who win are the manufacturers of the armaments , the people who make armaments, the people who make the guns and the the bombs and the guns and the tanks the stuff . and tanks and all the stuff. and countries buy it all up and send it out there to help. i don't think any war anywhere is winnable in the real sense of the word, because for the time you get to a result. so many people have died. it can't possibly be fair. so i don't think , um, in the 50 days we can think, um, in the 50 days we can decide who is winning this war any more than we can any other war. so i'm sorry, i tend to agree with both of your guests this week, which is quite change. >> well , it's good to change. >> well, it's good to hear it's completely different view and we appreciate that. thank you very

much, john. john there in kidderminster. much, john. john there in kidderminster . always kidderminster. always a pleasure. he's that great british voice this is gb news. welcome aboard. you just welcome aboard. if you just tuned in, it's just coming up to 46 minutes after 4:00. we've had quite a few of your views coming in. did a little monologue in. i did a little monologue earlier trans and earlier about trans issue. and lucia stonewall lucia says stonewall is the problem has its tentacles problem. it it has its tentacles in almost every institution in the uk. we're talking about who do you trust in terms of who are you going to vote for when it comes to, uh, anything, anything at all? alan says what we're talking about immigration. alan says you asked who do we trust, labour or i voted tory for labour or tory? i voted tory for five decades. i don't trust them anymore. other anymore. i trust every other party anymore. i trust every other party and labour party even less. and labour least of all. and let's not forget, les says, let's not forget, les says, let's not forget the green levy added to all energy bills. scrap the lot. well that's what they think. what do you think? gb views that gbnews.com on the way i'll be speaking to israeli government spokesperson on the ongoing hostage with hamas. hostage negotiations with hamas. first, some weather. first, let's get some weather. hello there and greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest news weather forecast .

weather forecast. >> but it's still rather cloudy. so staying unsettled over the next few days and temperatures starting to fall further as well. low pressure dominating the weather pattern at the moment, bringing some brisk winds eastern areas . this low winds to eastern areas. this low pressure moves away, allowing brief before brief respite before then. further weather systems move in through the middle to end of next week . this evening time, next week. this evening time, a lot cloud across the uk. lot of cloud across the uk. outbreaks of rain , 1 or outbreaks of rain, 1 or 2 heavier bursts possible temperatures dropping under clear across parts of clear skies across parts of scotland and patchy frost here. but showers feeding in from the northeast. elsewhere lots of cloud outbreaks of rain will keep temperatures up. so a milder night than late, milder night than of late, generally holding up between 5 and 9 celsius. but that means england , wales, ireland england, wales, northern ireland will off cloudy outbreaks will start off cloudy outbreaks of rain. slipping slowly of rain. this slipping slowly south eastwards as we go through the day, allowing brighter skies to parts of to follow across parts of northern ireland, western scotland, western fringes scotland, later western fringes of the east of england and wales, the east staying breezy with showery outbreaks of rain, which could be times turning wintry be heavy at times turning wintry over higher ground over the higher ground of scotland and temperatures

dropping goes on dropping as the day goes on generally single figures as generally into single figures as the winds turn around to a northerly direction. then in two tuesday, it's a cold, frosty start. some fog patches first thing and then a brighter , drier thing and then a brighter, drier day. for many. there will be some wintry showers across the north and then the next few days, temperatures continue to fall overnight. and fog fall overnight. frost and fog and the risk of hill snow and the risk of some hill snow to

good afternoon. >> 51 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana okunna. in breaking news, israeli defence forces say that the red cross has today received 14 israeli hostages and three foreign nationals who are being held captive by hamas . in exchange, captive by hamas. in exchange, israel has agreed to free a number of palestinian prisoners in the exchange comes in a third day of the four day truce. joining me now, more for more on this the israeli government this is the israeli government spokesperson, falk . spokesperson, dr. sophia falk. dr. doctor , just so just to so dr. doctor, just so just to so where are we with the hostage situation? because there's another day where they will release more how many more do we know that they may release here? you? yes, i can hear you. so we've had some hostages being released tomorrow , another day. released tomorrow, another day. they're supposed to release more hostages . how many they're supposed to release more hostages. how many and they're supposed to release more hostages . how many and where do hostages. how many and where do we go after that . oh. oh, sadly, we go after that. oh. oh, sadly, we've lost him. we'll try and

get him back, but stay with me. we'll try and get dr. falk back and i'll try and ask him that question again. but let's travel now over to america and have a chat with host of the chat with the host of the politics podcast, paul politics people podcast, paul duddndge. politics people podcast, paul duddridge . let's see, where's my duddridge. let's see, where's my nice little map? i usually have a nice map. no map. i'm so upset. the maps have gone all right, paul duddridge, what's right, so paul duddridge, what's been going on? like, we've had one poll a second that trump is ahead of desantis. what's happening with trump and desantis ? they're wanting him to desantis? they're wanting him to drop what's going on? yeah drop out. what's going on? yeah >> want my map back? >> want my map back? >> desantis is floundering . >> desantis is floundering. >> desantis is floundering. >> suddenly we've had significant members of his team, namely his fundraisers. >> actually ditching the campaign now. >> so he really has to pull it all together for january. >> the iowa caucuses . what's >> the iowa caucuses. what's happenedis >> the iowa caucuses. what's happened is nikki haley , who has happened is nikki haley, who has been sort of just on the outskirts and maybe i don't know if she's that familiar to british tv viewers, but she is

now in second place in certain polls to trump. >> so we have trump. trump still 30 points ahead. let's not forget. but in some polls, we've got nikki haley at second place and desantis down to fourth and sometimes fifth. so this is looking like a lot of the smart money can't be that smart because they're not supporting trump. but a lot of the smart money to money is moving from desantis to nikki haley because she's seen as a candidate that can actually beat . some polls are beat biden. some polls are saying she could beat biden by ten points and trump can only beat him by points. ten points and trump can only beasoim by points. ten points and trump can only beaso listen, points. ten points and trump can only beaso listen, pauloints. ten points and trump can only beaso listen, paul , nts. ten points and trump can only beaso listen, paul, a s. ten points and trump can only beaso listen, paul , a shift of >> so listen, paul, a shift of money. listen, stay there. paul, we might come back to you. i'm going to quickly head back over to israel and have a chat with dr. we'll back to dr. falk. we'll come back to paul moment. but so my paul in a moment. but so my question to was and now question to you was and now we've had some hostages released today. apparently today. tomorrow, apparently some more . how many? today. tomorrow, apparently some mor

freeing all the hostages to and destroy hamas. those are the two goals that the war cabinet directed . directed. >> the idf is to destroy hamas and to free our hostages . and and to free our hostages. and that's exactly what we're doing . that's exactly what we're doing. we're currently in a pause for humanitarian purposes. we're currently in a pause for humanitarian purposes . we have humanitarian purposes. we have thankfully been able to free a number of hostages already. the day before yesterday, yesterday and today. and we hope that more hostages will be freed in the very near future. >> okay. so tomorrow there should be some more releases. have they said how many that they will release tomorrow ? well they will release tomorrow? well they're supposed to release at least ten in per day . least ten in per day. >> at least ten hostages are supposed to be released every day . and that's the structure of day. and that's the structure of the deal . the deal. >> what are the hostages saying? what conditions they've been under, what conditions they've been under , and are they giving much under, and are they giving much information as to where they were being held ? were being held? >> well , i clearly

were being held? >> well, i clearly can't were being held? >> well , i clearly can't provide >> well, i clearly can't provide any details , not about not about any details, not about not about the negotiations or not about what the hostages have gone through. clearly, they've been held in captivity under hostage for 50 days with this terrorist organisation, these savages, this genocidal terrorist organisation that waged war on israel . on october 7th, they israel. on october 7th, they attacked israel, killed over a thousand israelis, men, women , thousand israelis, men, women, children. they beheaded children , burnt babies alive , raped , burnt babies alive, raped women, murder women. and that's the genocidal terrorist organisation that we are going to destroy right now. >> what happens after this pause then? because there's one more day, hopefully we'll get more hostages after this . does the hostages after this. does the war just carry on as it was ? war just carry on as it was? >> absolutely . absolutely. this >> absolutely. absolutely. this is just a pause , an important is just a pause, an important pause for humanitarian purposes to get our hostages out. we hope

that additional hostages will be released tomorrow and the day after. and every day thereafter. and once the pause is complete, it's a pause in the war that we will continue the war against hamas and destroy hamas. will continue the war against hamas and destroy hamas . we'll hamas and destroy hamas. we'll destroy hamas , demilitarised destroy hamas, demilitarised gaza and then de—radicalised gaza. that's the only way that peace will ever prevail in that region. >> do you think that you'll have much hope of de—radicalization because obviously the palestinian people would have seen a lot of death and destruction on their side as well ? absolute well? absolute >> absolutely. i think there is hope for certainly for de—man authorisation and deradicalisation . and that's the deradicalisation. and that's the only that's the only hope of freeing gaza from freeing gaza from these hamas savages . we're from these hamas savages. we're currently in a war between civilisation and these hamas

savages. we will destroy hamas. we will free our hostages. and after that happens , we will be after that happens, we will be able to demilitarise that entire region so that there won't be any threat on israel from that region. and also to derat realise that that area so that children will not school children will not school children will not be taught to cherish death , but rather to cherish death, but rather to cherish death, but rather to cherish life and not to murder jews . that's our only hope. jews. that's our only hope. >> and do you see the answer then, as a two state solution in and pardon me? do you see the answer as a two state solution? well what we saw on october 7th is that the these hamas savages don't want a two state solution. >> they want a final solution . >> they want a final solution. and we're going to make sure that that doesn't happen. the jewish people have been here for 4000 years. we're going to continue to be here. we're going to continue to thrive. israel is a modern miracle and we always have our hand stretched out to

peace to anybody who really wants peace israel. just wants peace with israel. just four years ago or less than four years ago, we managed to have peace deals with four different arab countries. a few people were could believe that was that could happen. and we were hopeful that additional more peace agreements will will will occur here in the region. and i'm confident that can happen the day after hamas, the day after hamas is destroyed, gaza is demilitarised and de—radicalised. but if this war goes on for a long time , um, are goes on for a long time, um, are you not concerned that actually you not concerned that actually you may lose the support of some of those other countries around israel and more countries will start to get involved in the war? actually, we were we were very fortunate to have very strong , strong support from our strong, strong support from our allies, from the united kingdom. thank you for the support from the united kingdom and the united. people in the united united. the people in the united kingdom the kingdom and from the us bipartisan and support from the american people and from the

president of the united states and the countries in the area here are also they are fully aware. they have no illusions as to who the hamas is and what should happen to the hamas . should happen to the hamas. >> well, senator falk, thank you very much for joining >> well, senator falk, thank you very much forjoining me. >> well, senator falk, thank you very much forjoining me . thank very much forjoining me. thank you so much for talking to us here at gb news. that is dr. falk. he is a spokesperson for the israeli government. if you just join me, welcome on board. this gb news. we are the this is gb news. we are the people's live on people's channel. we're live on tv, online and digital radio. keep all your thoughts coming gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news with more to come in the next hour . so the next hour. so it is just coming up to a 5:00 welcome on board. if you just switched on your tv, where on earth have you been ? we've got still loads to been? we've got still loads to come on. nana ella whelan for the houn come on. nana ella whelan for the hour, me and my panel the next hour, me and my panel will be taking some of the will be taking on some of the big hitting headlines big topics hitting the headlines

right i'll be right now. coming up, i'll be speaking to my outside guest now. she is a founding member of pan's people remember those ? oh, pan's people remember those? oh, that was so good. top of the pops. there they were then for the great british debate. who do you hour? i'm you think she is this hour? i'm asking, richard companies asking, could richard companies or should companies pay or should richer companies pay poorer countries for the climate disaster ? that's if you believe disaster? that's if you believe we are having a disaster. but first, let's your latest first, let's get your latest news with . aaron news with. aaron >> very good evening. it is exactly 5:00. aaron armstrong here in the gb newsroom and the breaking news this hour, the israeli army says the red cross has received 14 israeli hostages and three foreign nationals who were being held captive by hamas . israel has agreed to free a number of palestinian prisoners. in exchange, hamas hand over hostages on each of the first three days of a four day pause in fighting . three days of a four day pause infighting. in three days of a four day pause in fighting . in total, the two in fighting. in total, the two sides have agreed to swap 50 israeli hostages for 150

palestine prisoners . but israel palestine prisoners. but israel says it will extend the truce by a day for every additional ten captives released by hamas. meanwhile israel's prime minister has been meeting security forces inside northern gaza. benjamin netanyahu received security updates. he spoke with commanders and fighters and visited one of the tunnels discovered by his troops. the prime minister told his soldiers, we have three goals for this war. eliminate hamas, return all our abductees and ensure gaza does not become and ensure gaza does not become a threat to the state of israel again . an irish israeli girl who again. an irish israeli girl who was initially feared dead has been reunited with her father following her release by hamas late last night. emily hand was among 17 hostages freed by the terror group yesterday after 50 days in captivity . 13 israelis, days in captivity. 13 israelis, six women and seven children along with four thai nationals, were transported out of gaza through the rafah border

crossing and amit silva, chairman of the kibbutz from where emily was kidnapped, says he's particularly relieved . he's particularly relieved. meanwhile, the israeli hostages were taken to hospital upon their release last night to be reunited with their families and doctor itai pesach says they're doing well. >> i am happy to say that despite the fact that the harsh conditions that have been under and the experience of captivity , and the experience of captivity, they did not require any emergent medical intervention, we will keep them here at the edmond safra children's hospital for as long as they need and care for them, help them in their preparation of coming back to their communities. >> well, boris johnson has told gb news anti—semitism is like a

virus which lurks beneath the floorboards of western civilisation . ian, the former civilisation. ian, the former prime minister has been attending a march in central london. standing against anti—jewish racism . now it comes anti—jewish racism. now it comes amid concern over rising tensions across the uk sparked by the conflict in gaza. immigration minister robert jenrick says anti—semitism is a stain on our country. it is moral decay, enough is enough . moral decay, enough is enough. and boris johnson told us it's sad the march has to go ahead in the first place. >> we're all doing here and the only thing we're really doing is showing solidarity with jewish people. and that's necessary because . since october the 7th, because. since october the 7th, i'm afraid there's been a very peculiar response in many parts of the world, including i'm sad to say, in london and what we've seen is a i'm afraid that the re—emergence of anti—semitism and a failure to focus on the

appalling terroristic acts of hamas and the us president joe biden is speaking. >> he's addressing the media right now about israeli negotiations and the latest release of hostages. let's listen in. >> for every ten hostages released, we extend another day. so i'm hopeful this is not the end. it's going to continue to, but we don't know. and but i get a sense that all the players in the region, even the neighbours who aren't, have been directly involved. now we're looking for a way to end this. so the hostages are all released and hamas is completely. how can i say it no longer in control of any portion of gaza . do they any portion of gaza. do they have control of all of the hostages or are there still other militant groups that you have to deal with? we think there probably other there are probably other militant groups, but we're not certain . certain. >> mr president.

>> mr president. >> president, how is abigail >> mr president, how is abigail doing? >> mr president, how is abigail doiiwhat's her physical >> what's her physical condition? do you have any information? >> i haven't gotten that information. i wanted to information. i just wanted to let immediately they let you know immediately they were going across into egypt, as you recall , that was the route. you recall, that was the route. but an older non—american , an but an older non—american, an elderly, elderly woman who is very sick and was in need of immediate medical help. so they arranged a cross directly into israel to be able to take her to a hospital. all i know is that she has been held i don't know. i haven't seen a photograph. i've just been incommunicado with my team. but she is safely ensconced in israel. but there's a lot more work to be done. >> how many days would you like to see the pause go for ? on to see the pause go for? on >> i would like to see us move to a point where we were able . to a point where we were able. to well , let me to a point where we were able. to well, let me put it this to a point where we were able. to well , let me put it this way. to well, let me put it this way. i'd like to see the pause go on. as long as prisoners kept coming

out. all right. thank you all so very much. i know you know, we have to call you . i know you say have to call you. i know you say what's he calling me with only ten minutes or so? notice i said . we're just we're just going to .we're just we're just going to pull away from joe biden. >> there he was of course, addressing the media, discussing the old girl, abigail the four year old girl, abigail moore, aiden, who's been freed today amongst the 17 hostages freed on day three of this fragile truce between israel and hamas, she turned four in captivity and that was the american president taking some questions from the media. we'll have more on that a little later. but now it's over to nana .thank later. but now it's over to nana . thank you, aaron. >> seven minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some the big topics hitting some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is about opinion. it's show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs. and of

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touch, email gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right. or tweet me at. gb news. right. so every sunday at 5:00, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp , or someone who's had an mp, or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take a look. life outside the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next on the outside. now today , next on the outside. now today, my mystery guest is the co—founder of the dance troupe pan pan's people, who throughout the height of the band's career, danced with the likes of tom jones, michael jackson and all the like in the 1980s, she co—produced two west end shows, as well as forming dance attic studios in fulham, used by many west end productions, dancers and performers now living in wiltshire with her second husband, she currently teaches and dances throughout the west country with the mantra it's never too late to dance . who do never too late to dance. who do you think she is? the legend de de wilde , welcome. thank you ,

nana. >> i'm so excited because i watched gb news all the time and to see you in person and what a glam lady you are. >> i love that orange and that necklace . necklace. >> well, i'm very much a colourful person, so i would wear colour and i love dancing. >> i to be honest, because >> i got to be honest, because it alive. keeps you it keeps you alive. it keeps you vibrant. it does? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> mean, it's >> absolutely. i mean, it's terribly wise and terribly good health wise and also because when i'm also mentally, because when i'm with my girls dancing, we're learning routines all the time . learning routines all the time. >> and even i go wrong . and it's >> and even i go wrong. and it's very good for that . and also very good for that. and also with my ladies, some of them don't have partners and whatever i >> -- >> so there's this enormous camaraderie and we call ourselves dance family. >> but the name we go under is the wild bunch. >> the wild bunch. >> the wild bunch. >> a little of an oxymoron, >> a little bit of an oxymoron, but there you go. >> yes , we dance over the >> yes, we dance all over the place in the country doing festivals . festivals. >> and we've done shops. we've done fetes , we've done even done fetes, we've done even television with dermot o'leary and various people. >> yes. just do maybe you should

do a christmas dance for us at gb news, because i think our audience i love it. love it. well, could come in and put well, i could come in and put them through their yeah. them through their paces. yeah. no, you we'll no, i come to see you and we'll take a and come. and i'd take a crew and come. and i'd love to dance with because love to dance with you because i think should. yeah, i do. think we should. yeah, i do. >> christmas. i always. every year a christmas dance, and year do a christmas dance, and then a little then everybody gets a little present from me. >> fabulous. now >> i think that's fabulous. now i old you i don't want to ask how old you are because look so fabulous. >> i'm 77. >>- >> i'm 77. >> you look fantastic. >> you look fantastic. >> i there's no point me lying about age everybody about my age because everybody knows start. about my age because everybody knoin start. about my age because everybody knoin stathough we were >> in the 60s, though we were very much as well. a 70s dance group because our biggest fame came when we everybody knew about pans a little bit like girls aloud and the spice girls is actually from 70 onwards, really ? really? >> which one is you on there? is that you and the blonde? the blonde one there? because we're watching on the screen. that's me. that's bad. look at that. >> cherry and ruthie. >> but you know, the saddest thing is there's only babs and i left . left. >> oh, wow. >> oh, wow. >> they've all gone. you know? i mean, take its toll

mean, showbiz does take its toll on people . and so babs and i, on people. and so babs and i, babsis on people. and so babs and i, babs is up in north of london looking after grandchildren . i looking after grandchildren. i don't know what else. and i'm in the west country. >> and does babs still dance? >> and does babs still dance? >> no, she doesn't. >> no, she doesn't. >> i'm the only one. >> i'm the only one. >> you're the only one. but the thing is, it's the body as well. keeping and absolutely . keeping it agile and absolutely. >> to my girls, >> i always say to my girls, when pelvic and when we do pelvic thrusts and things, said , you've got to things, i said, you've got to get a really nice flat stomach. >> got. well, i have. >> you have got. well, i have. >> you have got. well, i have. >> i have, yes, have. i mean, >> i have, yes, i have. i mean, ihave >> i have, yes, i have. i mean, i have you know, i about i have you know, i was about seven half, eight stone in seven and a half, eight stone in those days. and i'm now nine. >> i think get older, >> but i think as you get older, especially me, i've got such a tiny that you've got put tiny face that you've got to put on of weight. on a bit of weight. >> but, know, i couldn't be >> but, you know, i couldn't be without nana i wake up without my dance nana i wake up in morning , i without my dance nana i wake up in morning, i think, in the morning, i think, oh yeah, my class today. >> exciting. >> exciting. >> well, that's, that's , that's >> well, that's, that's, that's all that's what all part of it. that's what keeps looking fabulous keeps you looking so fabulous and so keeps me and keeps you so fit. keeps me so. people, how it so. pan's people, how did it start? did you become. start? how did you become. you're a founding member. i am a founder member. >> it started, >> yes. basically it started, dare say, back in 1966. i was

dare i say, back in 1966. i was in a group of dancers called the beat girls. we actually were doing television for a man called gary cockrell , and this called gary cockrell, and this was in soho at the dance centre. >> and one christmas he said to me, i want you to go to bournemouth and i'm going to pay you seven and six. in you seven, seven and six. in those there wasn't a those days there wasn't a decimal money. >> what was that? a lot? no it wasn't. >> no, no . i mean, it was >> no, no. i mean, it was literally not even more as much as a pound i think. and they wanted he wanted us to go there over christmas. >> and i said we all said no. >> and i said we all said no. >> and i said we all said no. >> and so that day on the december the 6th, no, december the 8th, sorry, 1966, we walked out and babs and flick and i sat in a in a little studio in soho where lady who used to make our costumes owned it. and we were there all night. >> after about four bottles of wine, we decided no. >> we decided that dionyssis darlings was going to be out of the window and pan was the god of dance and music , fertility, love. >> and he had six handmaidens

and that's what it is. >> i see. so, diana ipsis was youn >> i see. so, diana ipsis was your. yes. >> yes. funny enough, years, years later, when i founded the dance attic in fulham, i have actually actually got dionysus and neptune on either side of this listed building . this listed building. >> wow, that's that's so that's a wonderful, great name as well. yes. yes a good idea to take that. so if you were to think of your highlight, one of your biggest moments with pan's people, met people, because you've met people, because you've met people jackson and people like michael jackson and jackson five, what was michael jackson like? >> michael jackson was the most beautiful , lovely little boy beautiful, lovely little boy with a broad nose . and i mean, with a broad nose. and i mean, the fact that he's had had that all he was such all taken away, he was such a beautiful and also beautiful little boy. and also a wonderful singer. and then he was with the jackson five. >> and i'd i remember them coming into the studio whenever a star came to the studio , a big star came to the studio, there'd be sort a magnetism there'd be sort of a magnetism about place. there'd be sort of a magnetism aboand place. there'd be sort of a magnetism aboand i place. there'd be sort of a magnetism aboand i remember the jackson >> and i remember the jackson five there was five arriving and there was michael jackson. i don't know how he was. must be in

how old he was. it must be in about ten, 11 or something. but so pure and so sweet with this incredible voice. and that was a big moment. and i think meeting stevie wonder , because stevie stevie wonder, because stevie wonder has always been my idol. >> i've loved him and of course, all pans. we only ever danced most of the time to tamla motown. >> so all our all our dances. and flicke was plaek our choreographer was totally inspired by tamla motown and those wonderful , wonderful songs those wonderful, wonderful songs you could dance . you could dance. >> i mean, you know, back in the day, you people danced, so if you we could . you we could. >> but if you sort of compare to us today, i mean, some us strictly today, i mean, some of the things, the knots they tie themselves in, i mean, having watched angela rippon at 79 dancing on strictly , i think 79 dancing on strictly, i think to myself, could i do that ? to myself, could i do that? >> i would love you to do that. >> i would love you to do that. >> i would love you to do that. >> i don't think i could. >> i don't think i could. >> i don't think i could. >> i think they should put you on. i don't know. >> i think they should put you on. they|'t know. >> i think they should put you on. they should. oh, no. i don't >> they should. oh, no. i don't know about that. but, you know, itake know about that. but, you know, i take my off to is

i take my hat off to this is what is great is, you what i think is so great is, you know, you get to a certain age andifs know, you get to a certain age and it's important to keep and it's so important to keep going. in fact, doesn't going. and in fact, it doesn't have exercise have to be dance, but exercise wise. and you you're just getting see people meet getting to see people meet people, social in these people, be social in these situations. and of course, for me , that's what i have with my me, that's what i have with my girls . girls. >> $- @ it. so i love dancing, >> i love it. so i love dancing, i love it. >> i love it. >>- >> i love it. >> now you've done quite a few things, so not just pan's people. what happened to you things, so not just pan's peopithat?iat happened to you things, so not just pan's peopithat? because ned to you things, so not just pan's peopithat? because ned �*kindu things, so not just pan's peopithat? because ned �*kind of after that? because that kind of disappeared . disappeared. >> the trouble is, i had we >> yes. the trouble is, i had we used these incredibly used to wear these incredibly high shoes like yours, high shoes rather like yours, but thick heels. and had but with thick heels. and we had to dance in them. and of course , to dance in them. and of course, i ruined my ankle. so i eventually left and i have to say, the first few years were quite difficult because because l, quite difficult because because i, you know, suddenly from being a star or being in the public eye, you suddenly you're not. but i did get married at that time. i married an army officer called andrew corbett at that time. and then after that, i just took any job that was coming along. just took any job that was coming along . so did you have

coming along. so did you have children? yes, i had alexander. who was alexander corbett bircher, who's 43. coming up . bircher, who's 43. coming up. oh, wow. and my son yeah, my son who was in the army and my daughter , who's 39, poppy . and daughter, who's 39, poppy. and they both i started this studio something i always wanted to do to start a big dance studio so other aspiring dancers could come and dance. and i started the dance attic, which is now one of the largest dance studios in the whole of london. but i don't run it now. my children run it, run it. >> that's lovely , isn't it? >> that's lovely, isn't it? yeah. you've worked with disabled people as well. sorry. you've worked with quite people with disabilities and stuff like that as well. >> yes. yeah. not, not not a lot. not a lot. because my lot. not a lot. because in my day when we dance, we didn't really. it wasn't . it wasn't the really. it wasn't. it wasn't the same nana . but really. it wasn't. it wasn't the same nana. but you really. it wasn't. it wasn't the same nana . but you know, same then nana. but you know, obviously i'm very what i actually am aware of is that now if you have got a disability, you can do anything. you can dance, even if you're in a wheelchair, you can dance. and i think that's wonderful because

it gives everybody an equal opportunity , see. opportunity, see. >> so you have a you're married again. >> i'm married again to henry marsh, who was there was a band back in the 70s called sailor, and they had two enormous hits. girls girls, girls and a glass of champagne . and henry was part of champagne. and henry was part of champagne. and henry was part of that group. and i met him . i of that group. and i met him. i met him on top of the pops, actually. oh really? years and years ago. but we weren't interested in each other. and i was married. no, i wasn't. i was. i was almost married. not quite at. to my first quite at. and to my first husband. and then we met again a long, later . back at long, long time later. back at the millennium. >> and that's . the millennium. >> and that's. is that him there with you? yes yes. with your dogs? yes. oh he is lovely. he's my man . my man. >> if you're listening, he's sitting out in the car park at the moment, really waiting. and he's now composer. he does he's now a composer. he does lots music. lots of music. >> so what happened to your first husband? >> where did he. unfortunately, he yes but he ran the he died. yes but he ran the dance with. dance attic. my studio with. with children for many years. with my children for many years. and was in the army. and it and he was in the army. and it was rather fun . funny. people

was rather fun. funny. people used to come in and this ex used to come in and see this ex army leotards army officer selling leotards and bras and knickers in the shop. and bras and knickers in the shop . he sounds great. shop. he sounds great. >> sounds great. >> he sounds great. >> he sounds great. >> so what are you doing now, then? >> well, i dance all the time because it keeps me going . and because it keeps me going. and as i said, with my group, we do various shows. not so many since since the covid, but we try to sort of go out and do shows and things . and also the other thing things. and also the other thing i do the odd lecture as well , i do the odd lecture as well, and but writing is one of my passions. my brother was i had a twin brother called stuart , who twin brother called stuart, who was a very well known new age author , and my mad italian author, and my mad italian mother was a writer for. so it's something i've sort of got into. i've written loads of children's books. i've got a book here. yes. what's that? this well, i'm known for my malapropisms. i get them all wrong. i get all my words, all wrong. and when henry and i were getting married, we were going through our vows. and

it and they said, you it says. and they said, you know, i now pronounce you husband. and wife. you may now kiss. we both said the dog at the same time. so that's for you. oh thank you very much. and it's got loads of different things that i've said. >> well, listen, if people want to find out what you're doing, do you have website? are do you have a website? is it are you anything socially no >> do you know something? i wanted to do wanted to wanted to do a podcast, try find podcast, but try to find something. >> one. yeah i would >> you will do one. yeah i would like to. >> i would . >> i would. >> em— e pleasure. i could >> it's such a pleasure. i could talk you for ages, but talk to you for ages, but unfortunately haven't ages unfortunately i haven't got ages because got to because i've got i've got to move this is the move on. but this is the fabulous de de wilde. she's an absolute legend. fabulous. >> well to me as well. >> what an inspiration . i can't >> what an inspiration. i can't believe old you are. 77. yes believe how old you are. 77. yes >> cheers >> thank you. cheers >> thank you. cheers >> well, listen, that's definitely an advert for dancing. if you love dancing, then you know, or you're thinking of getting back into it. get into it. yes. so of course, that's wild. she's a dancen course, that's wild. she's a dancer, pan's dancer, co—founder of pan's people. day . it's people. back in the day. it's just coming up to minutes just coming up to 20 minutes after coming up, after 5:00. coming up, supplement after 5:00. coming up, supplyof ent after 5:00. coming up, supplyof the news stories that

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britain's news channel. it is 24 after five welcome. >> if you just joined me. thank you. it's great to have your company, but you've missed quite a bit. don't worry because a bit. but don't worry because it's now for the great it's time now for the great british debate hour. british debate this hour. i'm asking countries asking should richard countries pay asking should richard countries pay countries for climate pay poorer countries for climate change? cop 28 yeah, on 28 of these now it commenced in these things now it commenced in dubai this thursday. how are they going to get there? they're going fly china other going to fly china and other developing nations are set be developing nations are set to be required contribute to a fund required to contribute to a fund designed to support countries stricken by climate disaster. governments will establish a fund focussed on addressing loss and damage to restore communities affected by the impacts of climate change. reportedly accelerated by the industrialisation of developing nations. should richer companies pay nations. should richer companies pay poorer countries for climate change? that is the question. joining me to discuss is philip blonde, former adviser to david cameron, jim dale, meteorologist at paul burgess, climate scientist matthew stadlen, political commentator . so this political commentator. so this is the question. should richer countries pay poorer ones for

climate change? i'm going to start with you, paul burgess well, the answer to that is no, we shouldn't. >> i mean, basically even the ipcc state very clearly that on most of these things, except for warming, actually most of these things, is no discernible things, there is no discernible difference in other words, there's no more extreme for weather droughts, floods, hurricanes, etcetera it's hurricanes, etcetera. it's absolutely this it's absolutely a myth. this it's just whether and when you study it , when you study climate, it, when you study climate, which is weather over long it, when you study climate, which i�*it'seather over long it, when you study climate, which i�*it's simply ver long it, when you study climate, which i�*it's simply not long it, when you study climate, which i�*it's simply not true.g period, it's simply not true. and in fact , you know, all these and in fact, you know, all these cop meetings produce absolutely nothing. they don't give any influence on the co2 output, which is growing tremendously given you some graphs on this, jim . jim. >> jim dale yeah. >> jim dale yeah. >> good afternoon, nana hi , good afternoon. >> paul's speaking out of his hosepipe, as usual. >> climate change is taking place in terms of the question , place in terms of the question, should richard countries be paying should richard countries be paying poorer countries? >> well, we're looking at latin america. we're looking at south africa, countries there in terms of the poorer countries. and

where they are. and they are the ones that are most affected and have affected by have been most affected by climate we climate change. and when we say affected, not talking affected, we're not talking about the kind of thing that might affect , say, the uk , for might affect, say, the uk, for example, a bit of a flood there and we get over it. >> this is having no food. this is having no no water to drink . is having no no water to drink. >> so if you take that to its it's its end point when there's nothing to eat and nothing to drink. when climate change does hit, then guess what happens. it's called climate migration. and those boats that get talked about quite often , well, they're about quite often, well, they're going to be in demand a hell of a demand. and that's why richer countries should contribute commensurately to poorer countries to ensure that they don't fall down. >> but before you carry on, though, apologise for though, jim, just apologise for that not that because that's not very nice telling he's talking nice telling him he's talking about i think about his host pub. i think that's wrong. about his host pub. i think tha sorry)ng. about his host pub. i think tha sorry .1g. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> you apologise. please to paul because that's not fair. talking out of his hosepipe . that's not out of his hosepipe. that's not acceptable. come on. that's that's a petrol hosepipe . that's a petrol hosepipe. >> i think it's absolutely fair.

i won't apologise . it's i won't apologise. it's absolutely fair. >> i think i'll just answer that. go on. you can answer it. respond to him to that. go on. yeah. >> i mean, i make no money out of this appearance. i make no money of of my tv money out of any of my tv appearances at all. it just covers expenses. am down covers my expenses. i am down personally, of pounds, covers my expenses. i am down peil onally, of pounds, covers my expenses. i am down peil onallymake of pounds, covers my expenses. i am down peil onallymake any of pounds, covers my expenses. i am down peil onallymake any moneyunds, covers my expenses. i am down peil onallymake any money like, so i don't make any money like you of so when you do. jim out of this. so when you do. jim out of this. so when you about funding. et you talk about funding. et cetera. i'm familiar and friends with many climate scientists. and they all none of them i know make any money from petro. it is an smear. and if you're an absolute smear. and if you're going on air, know if going to do this on air, know if you're to this on air, you're going to do this on air, which do continually give me you're going to do this on air, whiyevidence. continually give me you're going to do this on air, whiyevidence. iontinually give me you're going to do this on air, whiyevidence. i appearlly give me you're going to do this on air, whiyevidence. i appear on give me you're going to do this on air, whiyevidence. i appear on air; me the evidence. i appear on air with all. okay? with you all. okay? >> well, listen, >> okay. well, listen, this this, apology thing this, this this apology thing hasn't i'm going hasn't gone well, so i'm going to go to matthew stadlen. matthew stadlen. >> say, find it >> now, i have to say, i find it extraordinary that says >> now, i have to say, i find it extreclimate' that says >> now, i have to say, i find it extreclimate change says >> now, i have to say, i find it extreclimate change is says >> now, i have to say, i find it extreclimate change is aays >> now, i have to say, i find it extreclimate change is a myth that climate change is a myth and happening because that climate change is a myth and overwhelming ning because that climate change is a myth and overwhelming ningallecause the overwhelming we all know everyone watching knows really in brains and in their in their brains and in their hearts, everyone watching news this afternoon saying, i think he knows that it's changing, but the way it's changing and what is causing it is everyone knows

that climate change is manmade and that the overwhelming majority of scientific opinion is behind that. and i think it is behind that. and i think it is absolutely just and i beg people, just go and look at a graph of the world's climate from, say, 1971 till 2021. and it goes like this. it goes like this. there are a few little dips, but it basically goes like this a steep hill and we are in a dangerous situation now is obviously true. now that's only 20 years. >> what you said the grass over it's 30 years, but we've been getting steadily , steadily getting steadily, steadily warmer from the 1950s. >> as human beings, of >> we as human beings, of course, preoccupied with course, we're preoccupied with the horrors of what's on the horrors of what's going on in of course, in the middle east of course, we're with the cost we're preoccupied with the cost of this of living, rightly so, in this country, doesn't that country, that doesn't mean that we can wish climate change away. we take it seriously. we have to take it seriously. and main and in answer to the main question, nana, course, question, nana, of course, richard, countries should pay poorer countries. the poorer countries. and by the way, as your other way, if we don't, as your other guest said , we have guest rightly said, we will have many small coming many more small boats coming here well, here in the future. well, i don't leaving don't think they're leaving because change. don't think they're leaving bec they're change. don't think they're leaving becthey're clearly change. don't think they're leaving becthey're clearly leaving. don't think they're leaving becthey're clearly leaving here >> they're clearly leaving here because benefits because they get the benefits and nice they get to and they get a nice they get to be hotel, usually four star

be in a hotel, usually four star phillip blonde. >> yeah, just i just want to sidestep the debate on whether climate change is happening from my own position . my own position. >> i think it clearly is. >> i think it clearly is. >> look, i think i think that what's happening is to the great advantage of the west britain and europe, because we're asking countries like china that have moved out of the developing framework . they're on course to framework. they're on course to be by the middle of this century the greatest emitter of carbon to play on an equal playing field for us with trade . what field for us with trade. what this allows us to do, quite rightly, is set up green tariffs across the eu. it's also being debated in america, where we don't allow unfair competition between our own domestic produced industrial products that are compared to the chinese products . it's far less causing products. it's far less causing of carbon based pollution and

therefore we get an equitable trade . we've also looking at trade. we've also looking at china , you've got to have sticks china, you've got to have sticks as well as carrots. china has two plans in place. pete carbon production. it is going to have 300 more coal fired power stations by the mid—century 300. so china dwarfs and will surpass america as the biggest historic generator of carbon pollution by mid—century. so these what is transport motive is actually making china pay. and also making china pay. and also making the petro states pay rather than just people in the west . and also why we should west. and also why we should support this. i just make one more remark is it ensures a more equitable trading arrangement. so we're no longer our products are no longer competing unfairly against products that don't have

abide by our pollution rules. >> yeah, but but, philip, the problem with all of that is that, for example , let's take that, for example, let's take diesel, which we were told to do things because diesel was wonderful thing. and, you know, it out to the of it turned out to be the spawn of satan. and then it seemed be satan. and then it seemed to be that everyone who's got that now everyone who's got a diesel car and this and that. so what i'm saying is, whilst we may that china is may say that what china is doing is find that is wrong, we might find that something that we've been doing is and causing is also wrong. and causing damage. and actually the co2 isn't and i just isn't the answer. and i just feel genuinely. you feel that genuinely. do you think then i'm going to ask you all no, just yes or no. all yes or no, just a yes or no. so i'm going start with you, so i'm going to start with you, paul nafions paul. should richer nations pay yes ? no. okay. philip yes yes or no? no. okay. philip yes or no ? or no? >> uh, yes, because . because >> uh, yes, because. because we're yes. >> jim dale, yes or no ? >> jim dale, yes or no? >> jim dale, yes or no? >> yes. >> yes. >> and finally, matthew stadlen yes or no? yes all right. thank you so much. those are my their thoughts. what are yours? thank you so much to philip blonde, former adviser david cameron, former adviser to david cameron, jim paul jim dale, meteorologist paul burgess, scientist, and burgess, climate scientist, and matthew stadlen, political

commentator. so what do you think? countries think? should richer countries pay think? should richer countries pay change? pay poorer for climate change? this is news on tv online and on digital radio on the way. we'll continue with the debate. i'm asking, should they pay ? what asking, should they pay? what are thoughts? you'll hear asking, should they pay? what are thoughts|ghts? you'll hear asking, should they pay? what are thoughts|ghts? �*panel,1ear the thoughts of my panel, christine and danny christine hamilton and danny kelly. but first, let's get your latest with karen . latest news with karen. >> hi there. it's 532. i am aaron armstrong. the israeli army says 13 hostages are now in israel with a further four on their way to the rafah border crossing following their release by hamas . israel has agreed to by hamas. israel has agreed to free a number of palestinian prisoners in exchange, a hamas has handed over hostages on each of the first three days of a four day pause in fighting. in total, the two sides have agreed total, the two sides have agreed to swap 50 israeli hostages for 150 palestinian prisoners. but israel says it will extend the truce by a day for every additional ten captives released by hamas. meanwhile, israel's prime minister has been meeting

security forces inside northern gaza. benjamin netanyahu received security updates and visited one of the tunnels, discovered by his troops. the prime minister told soldiers we have three goals for the war. eliminate hamas, return all our abductees and ensure gaza does not become a threat to the state of israel again . boris johnson of israel again. boris johnson has told gb news anti—semitism is like a virus which lurks beneath the floorboards of western civilisation . cohen, the western civilisation. cohen, the former prime minister, has been attending a march in central london, standing against anti—jewish racism . it comes anti—jewish racism. it comes amid concerns over rising tension across the uk sparked by the conflict in gaza . lee the conflict in gaza. lee anderson says allegations he used an opportunity to defect to reform uk as leverage to secure a promotion are simply ridiculous . a promotion are simply ridiculous. it comes after an audio recording of the tory party deputy chairman was leaked to a sunday newspaper earlier in the recording, anderson says he'd been offered a substantial sum of money to join reform uk .

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actually going to be going, though, because time china though, because last time china didn't weren't present. didn't and they weren't present. but this fund designed but this fund is designed to support stricken by support countries stricken by climate disaster and governments will establish the fund focussed on addressing loss and damage to restore countries, communities that affected by the impacts of climate change, which reportedly is accelerated by the is being accelerated by the industrialisation of developing nations. but i suppose in that industrialisation there's been a lot of benefit for all of the countries as well. so what do you think should richer countries pay poorer countries for climate change? let's see what panel make that. what my panel will make of that. i'm joined broadcaster and i'm joined by broadcaster and journalist danny kelly and broadcaster christine broadcaster and author christine hamilton, danny kelly, i'm going to well i don't to start with you. well i don't know if any figures have been bandied around, touted. >> we're doubt about >> we're no doubt talking about billions billions of pounds. billions and billions of pounds. and then, of course, if the governments going start governments going to start throwing billions governments going to start th|pounds billions governments going to start th|poundstowards billions governments going to start th|pounds towards developing of pounds towards developing countries affected by climate change, then that shortfall needs to be made up by working class families and working class families themselves may not be able to afford to pay even more

dough help out, if you like, dough to help out, if you like, third world affected third world countries affected by, unquote, climate third world countries affected by, so nquote, climate third world countries affected by, so until e, climate third world countries affected by, so until figuresate third world countries affected by, so until figures are change. so until figures are actually put on the table so we can see how much it's going to cost i noticed cost each individuals, i noticed with panel , cost each individuals, i noticed with panel, you cost each individuals, i noticed with panel , you know, with the panel, you know, the people saying, yes , we people who were saying, yes, we should very middle class should do the very middle class bunch of people who no doubt can afford to pay a few bob more. i'm thinking about the tough working class individuals watching this television show, listening to on the radio from impoverished parts of the north west where i'm from in the midlands and they'll be thinking, why the should thinking, why the hell should i pay l thinking, why the hell should i pay i can barely afford to pay more? i can barely afford to put my own heating on. why should and don't know should i pay? and we don't know how it's going to be how much, but it's going to be billions pounds. billions of pounds. >> also, when we say poorer >> and also, when we say poorer nations, remember nations, you've got to remember that poorer that in some of those poorer nations, there's a lot of corruption. actually the corruption. and actually at the top the the people at top of the tree, the people at the of the tree are fine. the top of the tree are fine. it's very poor people it's the very, very poor people who fine. and there'll be who aren't fine. and there'll be some people the but some people in the middle. but just like country, we have just like this country, we have people poor as well. christine >> well, the whole >> well, i mean, the whole premise is wrong. take >> well, i mean, the whole prermoral is wrong. take >> well, i mean, the whole prermoral high/rong. take >> well, i mean, the whole prermoral high ground take >> well, i mean, the whole prermoral high ground because we

the moral high ground because we export manufacturing export all our manufacturing to places so we can places like china. so we can say, oh, we're getting our emissions that's emissions down. but all that's happening emissions that happening is the emissions that we otherwise if we kept happening is the emissions that we manufacturinge if we kept happening is the emissions that we manufacturing industryept happening is the emissions that we manufacturing industry going our manufacturing industry going and china is now responsible for 30% output . india is 30% of global output. india is responsible for 7. we are responsible for 7. we are responsible for 7. we are responsible for 1. if the uk was wiped off the face of the earth tomorrow in a few months time, china would have outputted all our output. so do you see what i mean? we are an absolute minnow and we are impoverishing ourselves so that climate ourselves so that these climate change activists can take the moral high ground. >> if we were absurd, if were >> if we were absurd, if we were suddenly obliterated the suddenly obliterated from the map, then china's emissions would they would go down because they wouldn't be supplied. >> selling >> they wouldn't be selling stuff, irony of it. stuff, which is the irony of it. >> absolutely no >> but china has absolutely no intention whatsoever of helping anybody . anybody else out. >> their sole aim and in a >> they their sole aim and in a way, who can blame them is to raise standard of living for raise the standard of living for their people up. their people and catch up. >> they're advanced with >> they're quite advanced with industrialisation, they're industrialisation, think they're bringing industrialisation, think they're bringiconsiderably . quite considerably. >> you know china? >> danny, do you know china? >> no. >> no. >> been watching loads of

>> i've been watching loads of documentaries on tv . you know, documentaries on tv. you know, travel shows where you go to like parts of south asia . you go like parts of south asia. you go to big cities in india and pakistan. and it's not they're not they're talking about climate change, but they're just they're maybe they're talking about maybe tourist and tourist things or whatever. and you the amounts of you want to see the amounts of cars that are just driving around tuks. want to see around tuk tuks. you want to see all the i know khan's charging you 12.5 nicker to come down in like a 2015 plate focussed diesel. you want to see you want to prioritise these areas rather than levying and charging us more through our tax to actually help them out. once the problem has actually happened, should has actually happened, we should start some sort of start putting some sort of global collective pressure on these countries because it's going to be too if the going to be too late. if the climate scientists right, climate scientists are right, it's too late. the it's going to be too late. the horse bolted. horse has bolted. >> what can do anyway ? >> well, what can we do anyway? we don't know what you we can't. i don't know what you canwell, go they go on and >> well, they go they go on and on on. >> well, they go they go on and on these|. >> well, they go they go on and on these people, these these >> these people, these these climate is climate nutters are co2 is responsible . for 1% of the responsible. for 1% of the atmosphere. you would think it was 99% of the atmosphere. the way they go on about it, china

isn't going to do it. so we can the cop 28 or cop 128 or whatever they are now . well, whatever they are now. well, we'll get there fairly soon. >> we'll probably stop counting. when they get to. >> they can shout and bleat as much like. they won't much as they like. they won't get out of china. get anything out of china. >> just to read this >> i'm just going to read this out is from gordon out because this is from gordon who he says what a lot of who says he says what a lot of people probably thinking. he people are probably thinking. he says, everyone know says, hi, nana. everyone i know is people saying is sick of people saying everyone are like everyone i know. they are like robots. climate changing. everyone i know. they are like robcyour climate changing. everyone i know. they are like robcyourpanel1ate changing. everyone i know. they are like robcyour panel never changing. everyone i know. they are like robcyour panel never admit|ing. everyone i know. they are like robcyour panel never admit that but your panel never admit that more from cold than more people die from cold than heat. they never mentioned benefits of climate changing . benefits of climate changing. this is, of course, the four box panel this is, of course, the four box panel, not these guys. they never mentioned benefits of climate change. more carbon is thrown by thrown into the atmosphere by volcanic on land and volcanic eruptions on land and under the sea. the climate scientists are as bad as the covid scientists. their computer modelling is based on insufficient data and guesswork. gordon you for that. gordon thank you for that. >> the problem is the deep >> the other problem is the deep underlying problem that starts all this that the global all this is that the global population doubled in the population has doubled in the last 50 years, i think, and it was probably double again was set to probably double again in years. that's the

in the next 50 years. that's the bafic in the next 50 years. that's the basic problem . so what are we basic problem. so what are we going to do about that? basic problem. so what are we goiii] to do about that? basic problem. so what are we goiii think) about that? basic problem. so what are we goiii think we're|t that? basic problem. so what are we goiii think we're going? basic problem. so what are we goiii think we're going to see >> i think we're going to see a millennium moment where millennium bug moment where we're you remember the we're told, do you remember the millennium we're told, do you remember the miller2000? i do. the planes 1999, 2000? i do. all the planes were to drop of were going to drop out of the sky. we emergency sky. we all the emergency services be to services wouldn't be able to respond computers respond because the computers would think in the would implode. i think in the year 2050 and we're all watching be here watching our clocks. i think you know, january the 1st, 2050. okay. so right , where is 2050. okay. so right, where is this climate disaster ? where is this climate disaster? where is it? what are we supposed to be underwater now or something ? underwater now or something? >> well, you probably find a huge windmill in the back of your garden or something. everyone's gonna have one of those things. those awful noisy things. >> climates change over those awful noisy things. >> millennia. mates change over those awful noisy things. >> millennia. mathave ange over those awful noisy things. >> millennia. mathave one over the millennia. we have one everybody that the everybody quotes is that the thames froze over in medieval times. >> and there were hippopotamus, apparently. >> and there were hippopotamus, apparenwithout you . and your nothing without you. and your views. apparently in the thames. let's some of our great let's welcome some of our great british voices their opportunity to show and tell us to be on the show and tell us what think about topics what they think about the topics we're discussing. i've got three of start with of you. i'm going to start with david he's there david bohm. he's there in watford. should we be watford. david, should we be paying watford. david, should we be paying the paying some of the should the rich nations paying poorer

rich nations be paying poorer nafions rich nations be paying poorer nations climate nations for the climate change? david's in the middle. how can i say this? >> a chance. all it will >> not a chance. all it will happenis >> not a chance. all it will happen is this would go the same way humanitarian aid. way as humanitarian aid. >> people become >> very few people would become billionaires. rest billionaires. us and the rest would have poverty . would have poverty. >> uh, can i remind everyone? in 2006, al gore predicted and won an oscar and all these wars that by 2015, watford would be by the sea because the ice caps would have melted. >> it'd be a disaster. >> it'd be a disaster. >> and every year some towns another one, another year ahead, another one, another year ahead, another year ahead. >> yes, we have . global catastrophe. >> but if you just go swimming saying the med people are dumping plastic in the oceans , dumping plastic in the oceans, clean up the first the air is cleaner . i clean up the first the air is cleaner. i remember biafra when there was when there was disasters in the 60s and the 70s. >> it wasn't global warming. >> it wasn't global warming. >> it was man made. well that's the problem, isn't it? >> people seem to talk about the climate, as the climate, and as long as the climate, and as long as the climate let's not worry climate is fine, let's not worry about in the about the giant windmills in the sky killing all the sky that are killing all the birds. the things, you birds. and then the things, you

know, things, know, all these awful things, the pylons are going the awful pylons that are going to kill a load of animals as long as the climate, long as long as the climate, as long as the fine, let's to the air is fine, let's go to philip hoy hertfordshire. philip hoy in hertfordshire. philip hoy in hertfordshire. philip well, you talk philip hi nana well, you talk about not richer about whether or not richer countries pay. about whether or not richer couitries pay. about whether or not richer coui know pay. about whether or not richer coui know what pay. about whether or not richer coui know what china's going to do. >> they're going to say, well, we're already doing the belt and road initiative , which basically road initiative, which basically means they put money into countries and then they try and take the countries over. >> myself sudan. take the countries over. >> um myself sudan. take the countries over. >> um , myself sudan. take the countries over. >> um , i myself sudan. take the countries over. >> um , i mean, yself sudan. take the countries over. >> um , i mean, iself sudan. take the countries over. >> um , i mean, i mean, sudan. take the countries over. >> um , i mean, i mean, that's. >> um, i mean, i mean, that's what they're going to do. but they're going to say, well, we are poorer countries. >> i don't believe it. >> i don't believe in it. >> i don't believe in it. >> don't they should do it. >> i got to be honest with you, with your climate scientist, sir paul with your climate scientist, sir paul, he's the only one on the panel agreed with. >> i think he's absolutely right. and the question that needs to asked is why do they needs to be asked is why do they always about the always start talking about the rise in temperature? but they start think 16, ten start from i think it's 16, ten or something like that. they never mention the fact that the climate had changed by four degrees a dropped by four degrees a dropped by four degrees up to 16 in 10, and we only start measuring from then.

>> it's a thing. >> it's a thing. >> the climate change does seem a you know, the modelling a bit, you know, the modelling doesn't they're very good at doesn't they're not very good at modelling looks of modelling by the looks of it. >> in >> adrian gell he's there in shropshire. adrian oh shropshire. adrian. adrian oh yeah. >> okay. >> okay. >> so yeah , i mean look at this. >> so yeah, i mean look at this. >> so yeah, i mean look at this. >> and i think to myself, why on earth are we always being punished for the, for the, for the fault of others like china and the us? >> we do have our net zero target of 2035, which i think we'll probably stick to, but why should the british taxpayer be forced to fork out when we already give a lot of the poorer countries foreign aid anyway ? countries foreign aid anyway? >> okay. >> okay. >> um, which actually seems to go into the back pockets of , of go into the back pockets of, of a number of irresponsible , a number of irresponsible, corrupt regimes . corrupt regimes. >> um, we've got enough problems with our own incompetent politics, us in our own country already, right across the spectrum with out having to worry about foreign politicians and, and people's economy armies

when actually we are trying our best. but actually the likes of china and the united states really couldn't give us stuff . really couldn't give us stuff. >> well, listen, thank you so much, david and philip and adrian for their thoughts. those are my great british voices but what do you think? should richer countries pay poorer climate countries pay poorer for climate change? now, i love this because peter peter, thank you very much . he says one thing and in the title of the email it says skint. we are all skint . oh, skint. we are all skint. oh, peter, it's so good. right? so first, though. but let's. this is a little story that caught my eye. so i wanted to chat with you on my panel because according to the freedom of information request, the we information request, the bbc, we have to have have been requested to have spent over £600,000 on diversity and inclusion. yes the bbc expects the production teams. it works with to be at least 20% diverse. and critics say this example of wasting taxpayers money chris, danny kelly, i've got to start with danny kelly because he the bbc. >> well, i lost my job because i

was a 50 year old white lad, two months before i lost my job. i was told by my line manager that the bbc in london said that the audience radio and i quote, audience of radio and i quote, were too old and too white and the line up of them were too old too i was the only too and white. i was the only freelance presenter. too and white. i was the only freethise presenter. too and white. i was the only freethis is presenter. too and white. i was the only freethis is radio. resenter. too and white. i was the only freethis is radio. doesn't. too and white. i was the only freethis is radio. doesn't matter >> this is radio. doesn't matter what it looked like. >> you. can't see what >> see you. you can't see what colour are . but be fair, colour you are. but to be fair, your boss is here to defend himself. we'll take at himself. but we'll take you at your told it a thousand times >> i've told it a thousand times and never written and the bbc have never written to cease and desist. to me saying cease and desist. that's i promise you it's that's true. i promise you it's true. my job. they true. now i lost my job. they diversified the line—up, and the figures through figures have gone through the floor unfortunately floor for the bbc. unfortunately is meritocracy it's floor for the bbc. unfortunately is box meritocracy it's floor for the bbc. unfortunately is box ticking meritocracy it's floor for the bbc. unfortunately is box ticking organisation it's floor for the bbc. unfortunately isbox ticking organisation . it's a box ticking organisation. >> christine hamilton well, i think the figure is 20. >> they say that it has to be 20% diverse. the country isn't 20% diverse. the country isn't 20% diverse. the country isn't 20% diverse. so that's, that's a ridiculous figure , £600,000 ridiculous figure, £600,000 actually, when you look that, look at that alongside what they pay- look at that alongside what they pay. mr lineker it actually doesn't seem to be a monumental amount of money. yes, i agree. waste of money. of course, it's a waste of money. but i slightly

surprised actually small surprised it's actually as small as it is. >> i think there's some other thing going on. thing that's not going on. i remember had june sarpong, thing that's not going on. i rementheir had june sarpong, thing that's not going on. i rementheir diversityjune sarpong, thing that's not going on. i rementheir diversity star, sarpong, thing that's not going on. i rementheir diversity star, and ong, who's their diversity star, and she over 240 or 260 she was on over 240 or 260 grand. she was there three days a week for for what a week for what? for what exactly? just to exactly? i don't know. just to tick a box. but it's box ticking as far as i see. yeah. but anyway, what do you think? anyway, so what do you think? honestly, the honestly, i feel sad for the bbc. there seems be heading bbc. there seems to be heading down awful. well, down some sort of awful. well, i won't for the bbc. i won't say sad for the bbc. i feel sorry them. feel sorry for them. yeah, because the because i because like the bbc. because i think for them. think there's a place for them. but think all this nonsense but i think all of this nonsense is just everyone's losing their losing. thoughts of losing. losing the thoughts of the but it's time for the bbc. but now it's time for supplements. sunday where my panel discuss of the panel and i discuss some of the other caught their other stories that caught their eye. about eye. danny, yours is about oxfam. they go on. oxfam. well, they go on. >> let me tell you, if anyone's thinking sitting in bath thinking about sitting in a bath of baked beans for 24 hours of cold baked beans for 24 hours to £500 for oxfam, just to raise £500 for oxfam, just listen to how much they paid. one member of staff, £349,000 to one employee in a 12 month calendar year. now i understand that people need a because he is

rich generated in such a manner that he's top of the salary. 349 grand. wow yeah. so just have a little think about next time you're sitting in cold baked beans or you're cycling from land's end to john o'groats, they people three and a half they pay people three and a half hundred thousand pounds. that's they pay people three and a half hunrgrand.ousand pounds. that's 340 grand. >> they're unbelievable . >> they're an unbelievable. >> they're an unbelievable. >> well, plenty of other charities do similar things charities who do similar things that support that i would always support in advance of oxfam, but then they would need to pay the would argue they need to pay the top they the top money because they need the top money because they need the top it's not the top people. but it's not the argument. actually, argument. well, actually, this person the top. argument. well, actually, this per that's the top. argument. well, actually, this per that's just he top. argument. well, actually, this per that's just too:op. argument. well, actually, this per that's just too much. >> that's just too much. >> that's just too much. >> not chief of oxfam >> it's not the chief of oxfam who gets that. >> boss oxfam gets paid >> the boss of oxfam gets paid slightly and his name slightly less and his name is. and christina challenged me. danny right. danny i can get that bit right. chris chris gunter. good >> he might tell you he got it wrong anyway. christine well, i had a shock when i opened my paper this morning because i had absolutely paper this morning because i had absautely paper this morning because i had absa little quiz for everybody >> a little quiz for everybody out there. how much is a first class stamp going to be? any minute now, 60 pay. >> you are so out of touch, >> oh, you are so out of touch, miss akua .

miss akua. >> £1.25. what? £1? the royal mail is planning a 25% rise in the cost of second class stamps. they're going to go up to 94. first class stamps went up last month to £1.25. i now know why i got half as many birthday cards. two weeks ago as i normally do, did it not send you on the internet? no. yeah, they did, but that doesn't count. yeah and they don't get there when they're there. they're meant to get there. >> they it's going to be >> as they say, it's going to be the next day and it isn't. i mean it's like who's going to they've got to it on the they've got to put it on the stamps people are stamps because fewer people are sending going to spend £1.25? >> everybody who wants a first class stamp? >> everybody who wants a first cla:well,�*np? >> everybody who wants a first cla:well, it)? >> everybody who wants a first cla:well, it doesn't even get >> well, it doesn't even get there the next which there the next day, which is what it's what it's meant to be. it's ridiculous. listen, ridiculous. well, listen, lastly, my supplement and this ridiculous. well, listen, la aly, my supplement and this ridiculous. well, listen, la aly, myabout.ement and this ridiculous. well, listen, la aly, myabout stealth and this ridiculous. well, listen, la aly, myabout stealth taxes,is is a story about stealth taxes, because the autumn because during the autumn statement, announced because during the autumn stat

print, including creases to a raft of smaller taxes such as environmental levies, tobacco , environmental levies, tobacco, vehicle excise and so on. so so is this the latest political spin story that you're hearing from the conservatives? >> looks like it's sleight of hand, doesn't it? it looks like a magic trick, illusion, illusion. >> p- e and mirrors , isn't >> it's smoke and mirrors, isn't it? i think i just get the figures out get them right. figures out so i get them right. apparently . the office for apparently. the office for budget responsibility, which the government seem to think is a bit of a bible. the borrowing in march was 115 billion. now it's only 98 billion. and i think hunt thought that oh right i've got 17 billion to spend and which he hasn't. it's just that well, i mean i do think he thought that he's got his sums wrong. it's got his sums wrong and the in october we borrowed 15,000,000,000 in 1 month. now i can remember the time when if we'd borrowed 15 billion over a yean we'd borrowed 15 billion over a year, we'd have had palpitations . but one month, i mean, the whole thing has just got so out of hand. whole thing has just got so out of illnd. whole thing has just got so out of ii know it's. it's ridiculous.

>> i know it's. it's ridiculous. and but labour party, and but the labour party, i don't there'll be any don't think there'll be any worse. today's worse. well, listen, on today's shouldn't asking. shouldn't be. i've been asking. it's days since struck it's 50 days since hamas struck israel. but winning the israel. but who is winning the war? twitter war? according to our twitter poll, of you say hamas, 54% poll, 4% of you say hamas, 54% of say israel, 42% of you of you say israel, 42% of you say no. one. thank you so much to my panel, danny kelly. danny, thank so much. thank you. thank you so much. thank you. and also to the fabulous christine for joining christine hamilton forjoining me danny's fabulous, too. >> oh, danny's fabulous, too. it's no, not so much . it's a fabulous no, not so much. >> you to you home >> and thank you to you at home for company, i look for your company, aslef. i look forward seeing week. forward to seeing you next week. same place, on same time, same place, 3:00 on saturday. i'll you with saturday. i'll leave you with the a good week . the weather. have a good week. >> hello there. i'm greg jewhurst and welcome to your latest weather forecast . latest gb news weather forecast. it's still rather cloudy staying unsettled over the next few days and temperatures starting to fall further as well. low pressure dominating the weather pattern at the moment, bringing some brisk winds to eastern areas. this low pressure moves away, allowing brief respite before then, further weather systems move in through the middle to end of next week. this evening cloud evening time lots of cloud across the uk . outbreaks of across the uk. outbreaks of rain, 1 or 2 heavier bursts,

possible temperatures dropping under skies across parts under clear skies across parts of scotland and patchy frost here, but showers feeding in from the north—east elsewhere. lots of cloud outbreaks of rain will temperatures up. so a will keep temperatures up. so a milder night than late , milder night than of late, generally holding up between 5 and 9 celsius. but that means england, wales, northern ireland will cloudy outbreaks will start off cloudy outbreaks of rain. slipping slowly of rain. this slipping slowly south eastwards as we go through the day, allowing brighter skies to across parts of to follow across parts of northern western northern ireland, western scotland fringes northern ireland, western sc england fringes northern ireland, western sc england and fringes northern ireland, western sc england and wales fringes northern ireland, western sc england and wales .fringes northern ireland, western sc england and wales. thees northern ireland, western sc england and wales. the east of england and wales. the east staying breezy with showery outbreaks of rain which could be heavy at times turning wintry over the higher ground of scotland. temperatures scotland. and temperatures dropping as the day goes on generally a single figures generally into a single figures as turn around to as the winds turn around to a northerly direction . then into northerly direction. then into tuesday , it's a cold, frosty tuesday, it's a cold, frosty start. some fog patches first thing and then a brighter, drier day for many. there will be some wintry showers across the north and then the next few days, temperatures continue to fall overnight. and fog and the overnight. frost and fog and the risk of some snow

series. i've been able to bring in some of my smartest and most amusing friends to contribute. but i have other friends who aren't particularly interesting or attractive, and they keep pestering me to be on the show . pestering me to be on the show. so i'm going to devote an entire program to these hangers on just to get them off my back . thank to get them off my back. thank you . a few weeks ago i was you. a few weeks ago i was talking to an audience and when we got to the q&a , the first we got to the q&a, the first question guy in the front row said, i said, yes. he said, do you think matthew syed should be our next prime minister and i said, yes . so our next prime minister and i said, yes. so thanks for being here. it's a pleasure.

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