group. so i'm asking you how much scrutiny should these armed officers face when it comes to their handling of life and death situations and a new campaign calling for us all now to put pressure on our pension funds to get them to stop investing in companies who fund new oil and gas. should we.7 what companies who fund new oil and gas. should we? what is more important to you? the planet or the cold, hard cash that you'll end up retiring with? and be honest, please. no one is going to judge you and sunak. he is under the spotlight again today after cancelling a meeting with the greek pm over the elgin marbles . do the greek pm over the elgin marbles. do you think these things should be given to greece? let me ask you again honestly , do you about this honestly, do you care about this ? and it's been said many times before that the first casualty of war is the truth. and with things now a critical stage when it comes to the israel hamas conflict, do you know what to believe anymore . yes, indeed.

believe anymore. yes, indeed. i've got all of that to come and more . but before we get stuck more. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines . news headlines. >> michelle, thanks very much indeed.the >> michelle, thanks very much indeed. the top story from the gb news room is that the united states is asking israel to take greater care in any future strikes on gaza. it's a shift out in its approach to the conflict. the white house saying civilians and vital infrastructure must be protected. it comes as negotiations continue on extending the current pause in fighting with hamas due to release ten israeli hostages . release ten israeli hostages. tonight, we believe . and in our tonight, we believe. and in our other main story today, all 41 workers who've been trapped in a collapsed tunnel in india have been brought to the surface today , rescuers broke through today, rescuers broke through rocks and debris to reach the crew who were trapped underground for 17 days. the men

are currently on their way to a field hospital for checks. the delicate rescue mission involved transporting the workers, one at a time on stretchers through a pipe a time on stretchers through a pipe three feet wide. the indian authorities had been supplying the men with oxygen, food and water through a separate channel. all schools could be forced to stay open during strike action under tough new plans to be introduced by the government . the education government. the education secretary says strikes over the last year were some of the most disruptive on record teaching . disruptive on record teaching. unions describe the plans for minimum service levels as shameful . but gillian keegan shameful. but gillian keegan says her priority is keeping kids in school. >> well we are still supporting the fundamental right to strike, but we're trying to balance that with the fundamental right of a child to an education as well, and for students to be able to sit for example. sit exams, for example. these are these are massive impact on young people and on their parents. we're trying to parents. so what we're trying to do just balance those two do is just balance those two rights. quite often will rights. and quite often you will see schools lot to see that schools do a lot to support those children anyway.

obviously, care to make obviously, they care to make sure they support the sure that they support the children care . but what sure that they support the chinant care . but what sure that they support the chinant to care . but what sure that they support the chinant to do care . but what sure that they support the chinant to do iscare . but what sure that they support the chinant to do is make but what sure that they support the chinant to do is make thatvhat we want to do is make that uniform across the country. >> gillian keegan now , now a >> gillian keegan now, now a double murderer who sexually abused the bodies of more than 100 dead women, wasn't caught due to serious failings at the hospitals where he worked. an inquiry has found. today. david fuller was employed at the now closed kent and sussex hospital and the tunbridge wells hosphal and the tunbridge wells hospital. between 2005 and 2020. inquiry chairman sir jonathan michael said the maintenance worker was able to access the mortuary 444 times in just one yean mortuary 444 times in just one year, unnoticed and unchecked failures of management of governance , of regulation for governance, of regulation for failure to follow standard policies and procedures together with a persistent lack of curiosity , all contributed to curiosity, all contributed to the creation of an environment where he was able to offend and to do so for 15 years without

ever being suspected or caught out . now, controversial new book out. now, controversial new book that promises to reveal details about tensions within the royal family has been described by royal insiders as vicious and poisonous. the much anticipated end game arrived on bookshelves today among the allegations by its author, omid scobie, is that the relationship between prince harry and his brother is beyond repair. he also writes his majesty the king, queen camilla, and the prince of wales conspired to undermine harry and his wife, meghan markle . now, his wife, meghan markle. now, a man has admitted killing three people who died in separate attacks in nottingham earlier this year. students barnaby weber and grace o'malley kumar both 19 and 65 year old caretaker ian coates died after being stabbed in june . valdo being stabbed in june. valdo kulkarni also known as adam mendez, denied murder but admitted three counts of manslaughter on the basis of diminished responsibility . diminished responsibility. thousands attended vigils for the victims in nottingham in the

wake of the attacks . now it's wake of the attacks. now it's going to be snow on the way for us all. this weekend. the met office is predicting snow in parts of the uk as we head into the festive season. they've issued a yellow weather warning for snow and icy conditions, creating hazardous driving conditions, particularly in the north—east of england, yorkshire and scotland, well and parts of scotland, as well as parts of britain. the as most parts of britain. the warning is in place until late tomorrow morning . us gb news tomorrow morning. us gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . three. news channel. three. >> thanks for that, polly. you ended your your highlights there with the snow . that for me was with the snow. that for me was definitely good news. what about you guys at home? because i know perhaps i don't know if you're slightly elderly, if you live in a more rural area, that news of that snow might not be such a good thing, mightn't get in touch tell you

touch and tell me what you think. i i'm michelle jubin. i'm with you till 7:00 alongside me. i've got the contributing editor with you till 7:00 alongside me. i'v novara1e contributing editor with you till 7:00 alongside me. i'v novara media, ibuting editor with you till 7:00 alongside me. i'v novara media, michaeleditor with you till 7:00 alongside me. i'v novara media, michael walker, at novara media, michael walker, and editor of the and the former editor of the daily star dawn neesom. good evening. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> she's ever so colourful. if you're listening or watching, you're listening or watching, you're missing a treat. you are literally i'm not sure if there are any colour of the rainbow that you are not accounting for along outfit. these along your outfit. these wallets, highlighter pens, wallets, the highlighter pens, the post—it notes , it's all the post—it notes, it's all going on. bringing a nice ray of sunshine into the studio tonight. you know the drill as well , don't tonight. you know the drill as well, don't you? it's not just about us. three is about you guys at home. what's on your mind tonight? and can you help me settle something my own mind tonight? and can you help me se please? ething my own mind tonight? and can you help me se please? because my own mind tonight? and can you help me se please? because soy own mind tonight? and can you help me se please? because so much of mind, please? because so much of the media today is obsessing with oh, what's his name ? with this. oh, what's his name? i want to say obi obi. but that's not it, is it obi? what's his name? >> omid scobie. >> omid scobie. >> omid scobie. you >> omid scobie. you care >> omid scobie. do you care about this book? i mean, do you am i missing something here? because every time i see these headlines, roll my headlines, it makes me roll my eyes i just go, oh, really ? eyes and i just go, oh, really? but people do, because

but obviously people do, because it's all over place. are you but obviously people do, because it's of over place. are you but obviously people do, because it's of those place. are you but obviously people do, because it's of those people?. are you but obviously people do, because it's of those people? isrre you but obviously people do, because it's of those people? is that>u but obviously people do, because it's of those people? is that the one of those people? is that the kind of thing you want to see in this show or not tell me. vaiews@gbnews.com it's how you get you can tweet get hold of me. or you can tweet me at gb news. a lots of very important topics. i want to cover you tonight, cover with you tonight, not least i'm about kick least the one i'm about to kick off which is the way we off with, which is the way we treat our police officers in this country. find it quite this country. i find it quite interesting. police interesting. the met police chief, rowley, he was chief, sir mark rowley, he was speaking to the sun speaking out to the sun newspaper . and was newspaper. and what he was saying basically that his saying basically is that his armed police in the met would rather face well trained terroristsapparent this all comes because apparent this all comes off the back of the worry about the split second decisions that these guys and girls are making. and then what comes off the back of it, the whole kind of legal backlash and all the rest of it. he's saying basically he wants a fairer system because he doesn't like the fact and he doesn't think necessarily that think it's necessarily fair that these officers then face suspension often well, suspension and often as well, prosecution on these are very split second decisions where are you on this, dom? >> yes, i think we do. i think i

think the frontline officers excuse me, on the whole, do an incredibly hard and dangerous job. and i do think we need to look after them more. i remember covering the story of mark duggan back in 2011 now and we i still feel we're having the same conversation. and the armed officers, they don't get any more. they're volunteers for that. they don't get any more pay that. they don't get any more pay for doing that job. and we have one case at the moment. pc paul fisher, who crashed his unmarked police responding unmarked police car responding to terrorist attack in to a terrorist attack in streatham. now, he was found not guilty of dangerous driving, but the independent police commission is now considering a gross gross misconduct charge against him, a case against him. and that is going on and on for nearly four years. meanwhile his life is on hold. his family's life is on hold. his family's life are on hold. what we want, michelle, is we want good coppers who go to dangerous places and dangerous people and places and dangerous—people and, them in a way like

stop them behaving in a way like that. but if we've got a police force that are worried in case they're going to end up in trouble, then that's putting all our lives at risk. >> it is funny you should mention mark duggan, whenever i hear that that was an awful case, but always remember now case, but i always remember now the the tottenham riots. the riots, the tottenham riots. >> yes. >> yes. >> and nicking trainers. >> yes. >> and nicking trainers . yes, >> and nicking trainers. yes, there was going into the trainer shops. there was going into the trainer shops . i will never forget that. shops. i will never forget that. people plasma tvs as people nicking plasma tvs as well digress. well. anyway, i digress. michael, what do you make to this about the police? >> well, i mean, i think that discussion of the riots is actually sort of instructive because, yes, i mean, there were some rioting who just some people rioting who just wanted but wanted a flat screen tv, but there also undeniably sort there was also undeniably sort of awful of anger, of an awful amount of anger, frustration, the feeling frustration, an at the feeling that the police weren't held accountable of accountable when they sort of gave treatment to gave differential treatment to especially people of or especially people of colour or just working people in just working class people in inner because it was inner cities because it was people all races who were people of all races who were rioting, wasn't it? so i think this idea police are to this idea that the police are to accountable, we too accountable, that we are too strict could be a strict with them could be a risky route to go down, especially if we think about recent history. so we are just

two years after murder of two years after the murder of sarah by a serving armed sarah everard by a serving armed police fact, are police officer. in fact, we are very recently david carrick, one of the most prolific rapists in british history, who was serving as a police officer for 17 years, was convicted . now that years, was convicted. now that is to tar every police is not to tar every police officer with these dreadful crimes , but i think this this crimes, but i think this this focus on should they be less accountable , should we let them accountable, should we let them get away with more, is potentially not where i think the emphasis should be right how. >> now. >> but then do you think. right. because just to be would you be an armed police officer ? an armed police officer? >> no. mean , i think it's >> no. i mean, i think it's important to note it's similar as well with professions such as being a doctor or a nurse. >> if your job involves life and >> if yourjob involves life and death decisions, then are death decisions, then you are taking on awful taking on an awful responsibility. it's the same with they with doctors and nurses. they can tried or charged for can get tried or charged for gross misconduct because someone can because decision can die because of a decision they've made. i am so they've made. and i am so grateful relieved that i grateful and relieved that i don't life or death don't have to make life or death decisions my job. i do decisions in my job. and i do think it should be remunerate covid think it should be remunerate covm right. think it should be remunerate covid right. it covid properly, right. so it does seem a bit odd to me that

armed police officers don't get paid if they are paid more because if they are taking on a responsibility whereby life whereby they have to make life and decisions don't whereby they have to make life and why decisions don't whereby they have to make life and why they :isions don't whereby they have to make life and why they shouldn't don't whereby they have to make life and why they shouldn't getion't whereby they have to make life and why they shouldn't get a1't see why they shouldn't get a little bonus for that. >> most of the cases that are currently the currently going through with the independent police independent office for police conduct now have been found not guilty in the criminal court, and are actually and most of them are actually found innocent by the iopc as well. i completely agree , well. so i completely agree, michael. know, we don't want michael. you know, we don't want to be soft on our police, to too be soft on our police, but we also want police officers who are confident go and who are confident to go and tackle crime and go and tackle criminals behalf. and the criminals on our behalf. and the sarah everard incident that you mentioned was was absolutely shocking but shocking and appalling. but i think it's dangerous to tar all police the same police officers with the same brush . was to a mate brush. i was talking to a mate of mine who happens to work for the met, just an ordinary beat cop and he was talking about policing the palestinian peace marches and the anti—semitism march. and goes , there is so march. and he goes, there is so much onus the men and women much onus on the men and women on front make on the front line to make decisions. how do decisions. he goes, how do i know what is a racist chant or a racist placard? because i'm just an ordinary beat bobby from

essex. there is a of essex. he goes there is a lot of pressure on them from their bosses from us on on bosses and also from us on on the they feel like they're damned if they do and they're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't at the moment. and most of them do a very good job. >> so what are you suggesting? are you suggesting the are you suggesting that the management backs of management are off the backs of the officers on the ground? >> i think lot of them feel >> i think a lot of them feel that way. sir mark that way. i think sir mark rowley come in and hit the rowley has come in and hit the ground hopefully he ground running and hopefully he will around will change things around michelle. i think an michelle. but i think there's an awful army awful lot of ordinary army officers who are concerned officers now who are concerned that don't have the backing that they don't have the backing of management. of their own management. >> like the officer >> and it's like the officer that was charged with the murder, i think it was a chris cappen murder, i think it was a chris capper. that person he's going to have i mean, i'm trying to be careful with my words, that careful with my words, but that person going to have their person is going to have their anonymity removed . and what anonymity removed. and what do you think to that, that officer being named ? being named? >> well, there's not so much we can say about this because it's an ongoing criminal investigation about the concept of it's of anonymity. well, i think it's important note here. so there important to note here. so there was situation few months ago

was a situation a few months ago where a number of police officers said we're going to hand guns because this hand in our guns because this police officer has been charged hand in our guns because this polmurder.ar has been charged hand in our guns because this polmurder.ar ha sorten charged hand in our guns because this polmurder.ar ha sort of charged hand in our guns because this polmurder.ar ha sort of the �*ged for murder. and sort of the implication , know, implication there was, you know, we're working at risk we're constantly working at risk of our freedom being taken away. now, past 33 years, now, over the past 33 years, only four people, only four police officers have been charged for murder. and none of them have been convicted. so this idea that we are too tough on cops, i think is somewhat misleading. you know, i think the standards for charging a police officer for a crime such as this are presumably quite high. so i don't think we should make any judgements about, you know, this person might be being dragged through the mud, as it were, got to were, because i've got to say, i'm quite uncomfortable with that and am being that whole and i am being careful because it's a live, active case. >> why we're all >> that's why we're all collectively we're being collectively saying we're being careful with our words. but the whole can whole concept that you can be an armed police officer, you make the call that you presumably at the call that you presumably at the the right the time you think is the right call. and then for your name, then released. i worry then to be released. i worry about then the safety potentially of those making it

generic, but the safety potentially of those officers in that situation , if their name is that situation, if their name is in the public domain . and then in the public domain. and then i kind of think what is the value in that? what is the. >> well, that is someone. so this is quite a i suppose there's two issues here, isn't there? there's one where it's a sort of internal disciplinary issue. so the iopc, example, issue. so the iopc, for example, that's organisation is that's an organisation which is specifically dedicated to investigating the, investigating the police, the, the charged with the the person charged with the murder of chris kaba, they're just in a normal murder investigation like any other member of the public. and it is the case. >> but that's my question. should they be should they be treated? you're saying they're should they be should they be trethis ? you're saying they're should they be should they be trethis situation, aying they're should they be should they be trethis situation, song they're should they be should they be trethis situation, so i'mhey're should they be should they be trethis situation, so i'm making in this situation, so i'm making it more generic, not specific to the but should the individual, but should you're that officer you're saying or that officer is, know, murder and is, you know, for murder and therefore being treated like therefore is being treated like any public. any other member of the public. but you be? but should you be? >> well, depends on well, >> well, it depends on well, that's it's difficult to that's why it's difficult to talk about, it depends talk about, because it depends on obviously if on the situation. obviously if there's second decision, on the situation. obviously if therthink second decision, on the situation. obviously if therthink your second decision, on the situation. obviously if therthink your life�*nd decision, on the situation. obviously if therthink your life isi decision, on the situation. obviously if therthink your life is inacision, on the situation. obviously if therthink your life is in danger you think your life is in danger and make one call instead of and you make one call instead of another call, obviously the another call, then obviously the fact are a police

fact that you are a police officer in that difficult situation, know, put situation, you know, does put you in more sympathetic light. you in a more sympathetic light. but we don't what happened but we don't know what happened in and whether in this situation and whether or not a whereby not there is a reason whereby the crown prosecution service think really is worth think this run really is worth prosecute as murder. >> just be a copper >> i just would not be a copper for love or money. i just i would not i don't think you get any gratitude from the public. i think get thrown under the think you get thrown under the bus police. you have bus often by police. you have a media that's just chomping at the bit constantly to undermine the bit constantly to undermine the police. think a the police. but i think that a lot of decisions made by management help management doesn't help them. hence officers taking hence you get officers taking the knee and doing things the knee and doing stupid things like policing tweets and telling people can't people what you can and can't say. so i think that they just have the odds stacked against them. >> i think they do. and i think the danger we're in now is losing good officers, officers going, had going, that's it, i've had enough. either to go enough. i'm leaving either to go and private security or and work in private security or private enforcement or even private law enforcement or even going as an awful lot of going abroad as an awful lot of metropolitan police officers in particular, who have gone to canada to work for the canada recently to work for the law enforcement over there . so law enforcement over there. so i think we're in danger of losing

lots of good men and women who are responsible for looking after us or our safety. and i think the bad ones that will stay because they're the ones that aren't wanted elsewhere. >> i think there is also the issue. so i don't think when people leave the police force, it's just because there's too much negative attitudes towards the we've the police in the public. we've also remember there were also got to remember there were dramatic to the police dramatic cuts to the police services the 13 years. services over the past 13 years. and on this show actually, and i was on this show actually, i can't the name, but i can't remember the name, but when fellow escaped from when the fellow escaped from from khalife yeah. >> and was terror man. if >> and there was terror man. if you that clip martin you watched that clip of martin daubney no offence to matt and i love dearly, i'll never love him dearly, but i'll never stop chuckling at that. but anyway, were anyway, danielle, there were lots stories sort of in the lots of stories sort of in the news of people who worked in the prison service. news of people who worked in the prison sbasically news of people who worked in the prison s basically the >> and basically one of the problems they had is that all the people the experienced people left because make one because when you make cuts, one of the things you do is of the first things you do is offer everyone voluntary redundancy. offered redundancy. they offered everyone redundancy. they offered everyorexperienced people all the experienced people left. you any experienced you only had any experienced people. then happens? people. and then what happens? well, to say that well, i'm not going to say that their caused this their behaviour caused this escape, that was sort of

escape, but that was sort of speculation which was emerging. i think everyone agrees that working outcomes working conditions and outcomes within are within the prison service are bad, wouldn't surprised bad, and i wouldn't be surprised if of cuts means if similar levels of cuts means that we're seeing similar levels of struggles the police force. well, there you go, >> well, there you go, christopher. my viewer says if i get something wrong at work, i expect consequences. so what's different police different with these police officers? do yourjob right? i don't happy. and don't get trigger happy. and if you then should face the you do, then you should face the consequences. michael says, consequences. but michael says, michelle, a retired police michelle, i am a retired police officer. police bosses are officer. the police bosses are terrified, to make terrified, he says, to make decisions. an decisions. now when an allegation against allegation is made against a serving officer, be armed serving officer, be they armed or not, says it's because of or not, he says it's because of the liberal pressure from the liberal work pressure from certain media outlets. that's his view. let me know your thoughts on police officers. would you be a police officer? it's all well and good, isn't it? pontificate ing, but would you actually put your money where your mouth is? put yourself in that danger? in the current you a current climate, are you a police do you make police officer? what do you make to it all? i've got lots coming your way. another celebrity telling what should telling us what we should be doing it comes to our doing when it comes to our money, particularly pensions. this time, do you think we should putting on should be putting pressure on our pension and asking

our pension companies and asking them invest, putting in them to stop, invest, putting in new and gas . them to stop, invest, putting in new and gas. earlier them to stop, invest, putting in new and gas . earlier with new oil and gas. earlier with eamonn and isabel, there's a lot of quite serious allegations in this book, mainly towards the working members of the royal family >> the princess of wales actually, surprisingly, comes in for quite a character assassination. i think what we should do now is get on with their own life, stop harassing their own life, stop harassing their families. >> i think, you know , only >> i think, you know, only friends with meghan, you're a mouthpiece. so last night, 11 hostages released by hamas, eight of them children, and three of their mothers. >> the first transatlantic flight using sustainable fuel will fly today. well, let's speak to the transport secretary mark harper. mark will you be on board? yes i will. >> good morning, eamonn. breakfast with eamonn and isabel mundy to thursday from 6 am.

radio. hi there . hi there. >> michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 alongside me contributing editor at novara media, michael walker , and the media, michael walker, and the former editor of the daily star, dawn neesom. one of my viewers made a good point. we're just talking about the police. earlier he says that one of earlier on, he says that one of the challenges now this the challenges now is this requirement have requirement for everyone to have a i actually agree a degree. yes, i actually agree with because think it with you because i do think it changes calibre sometimes of changes the calibre sometimes of people that go that people that go into that profession. i remember some of my viewers telling me, i'm sure you've your you've told me that your ex—forces and you struggle to get police force get into the police force because you didn't have a degree. i think that is a really interesting this whole interesting one. this whole obsession can obsession with degrees, we can perhaps that a bit perhaps look at that in a bit more detail on a future show. but for now, there's nothing i love i can tell you, than love more, i can tell you, than some famous actress telling me what i should be doing with my time money my thoughts time, my money and my thoughts and name it, whatever. this and you name it, whatever. this time turn of the time it's the turn of the hollywood actress olivia cole coleman. take look and coleman. take a look and a

listen to this. >> hello . my name is olivia >> hello. my name is olivia coleman . and on behalf of the coleman. and on behalf of the fossil fuel industries, i would like to say a huge thank you for all your support this bumper year. all your support this bumper year . people like you have year. people like you have pumped billions of your hard earned pounds into our gas and oil businesses as the cash from your pensions has helped us dig, drill and destroy more of the planet than ever before . before planet than ever before. before we've even managed to build a few little wind turbines to keep greta and her chums happy . cute. greta and her chums happy. cute. you see every little drop from your precious nest egg adds up . your precious nest egg adds up. so while the global temperature may go up a teensy weensy degree or two, our profits are literally soaring . and that's literally soaring. and that's all thanks to you. so to guarantee us all a warmer snuggly future, please keep sending your pensions our way. you know the drill . oh, fracking

you know the drill. oh, fracking hell . hell. okay, start again. start again . yes. >> yes. oblivia people do indeed know the drill because they watch dewbs& co. i think she might have taken inspiration for that line from this very program and you know what? credit where it's due because of course, we are now talking about this issue because of that video. but i do get little bit tired on of get a little bit tired on of celebrity as actors, actors , celebrity as actors, actors, actresses saying you should do this. you should do that, you should do this, you should do that. well, i'll tell you what, if you feel so passionately about off you trot, sort about that, off you trot, sort out your own pension fund and live a nice, happy why do live a nice, happy life, why do the us need to be the rest of us need to be lectured in that way? >> here we go. it's >> it is. here we go. it's another i'm all right, jack, lovey, isn't it? he will never have worry about being able

have to worry about being able to her own home when to pay to heat her own home when she's be she's a pensioner. let's be honest you. i have to say, honest with you. i have to say, i like the advert. it's very funny. i think i love the line at it is funny and at the end. it is funny and fabulous boots, by the way. and i olivia coleman. i think i like olivia coleman. i think she's actress. but the she's a great actress. but the thing you know, it's it is thing is, you know, it's it is pensioner shaming well for pensioner shaming as well for a start, is wrong because as start, which is wrong because as i said, most people are never going a position that going to be in a position that olivia is in. and does olivia coleman is in. and does she practice what she preaches? and is, with pension and the thing is, with pension funds the duty of a pension funds is the duty of a pension funds is the duty of a pension fund to invest as much fund to invest to get as much return for the people that invest that is their invest in them. that is their legal duty. so unless they specifically divert sci—fi away from that and say we are an environmentally friendly one, we are not investing in fossil fuels, fuels, even then they have to invest in the areas that are going to make their trustees the most money. me so it's a bit of a legal minefield as well . of a legal minefield as well. now you can you pays your money, you takes your choice, you as a pensioner, if you're investing in a pension, you can go and

it's very easy to find out where they invest their money. you can go to a pension that does go to a pension fund that does only in ecologically only invest in ecologically sound companies, that they get a return from . return from. >> so just to give you some facts and figures on this, in case you were not watching the screen, but you're listening instead, what they're saying, this group saying this campaign group is saying that invest £88 that uk pensions invest £88 billion in fossil fuels. companies they're basically saying about £3,000 per saying that's about £3,000 per pension holder. they want three things. they're asking all uk pension schemes to rule out any financing for any new oil and gas. that would mean basically putting these companies on nofice putting these companies on notice out expansions, notice to rule out expansions, reverting against fossil fuel exports orders and divesting publicly if they fail on steps. one and two, what do you make to this? >> well, i think this has gone very well for whatever campaign group sort of put forward that advert, because only have advert, because not only have they message shown on they got their message shown on on without having to on television without having to pay on television without having to pay advert, but also pay for the advert, but also dawn i think you're fantastic there, explained what people can do they do care about where

do if they do care about where their fund invest. their pension fund invest. >> can go look the >> they can go look on the website, to the website, they can write to the pension say, should we pension fund and say, should we have think these have a vote? i think these things are fairly democratic. should have a and put in should we have a vote and put in our constitution that don't our constitution that we don't invest fossil fuels? our constitution that we don't invest fossilfuels? know invest in fossil fuels? i know you know, they also do this sometimes when comes the sometimes when it comes to the arms think tobacco was arms trade. i think tobacco was one the and sort of lots one in the past and sort of lots of pension funds divested from. so that don't think is so that advert i don't think is going to persuade many people who don't about investing who don't care about investing in but think who don't care about investing in will but think who don't care about investing in will be but think who don't care about investing in will be abut think who don't care about investing in will be a lot think who don't care about investing in will be a lot of hink who don't care about investing in will be a lot of people there will be a lot of people who instinctively not want to who do instinctively not want to be investing fuels, be investing in fossil fuels, haven't realised that they might be investing in fossil fuels, haidoing aalised that they might be investing in fossil fuels, haidoing so.sed that they might be investing in fossil fuels, haidoing so. and:hat they might be investing in fossil fuels, haidoing so. and the they might be investing in fossil fuels, haidoing so. and the fact might be investing in fossil fuels, haidoing so. and the fact that ht be doing so. and the fact that we're now about this we're now talking about this might sort of encourage them to go in say, oh, go online in and say, oh, i didn't realise my pension fund might be fossil fuels. might be funding fossil fuels. i'm passionate i'm actually quite passionate about climate change, so i'm going about going to do something about it. >> michael, >> and interestingly, michael, the actually the pension funds have away from have a diversified away from using companies have using fossil fuel companies have actually return actually had a bigger return than still include than those that still include them. 13% compared to 11. >> but my issue with all of this, right, if you want to be an investor for high an ethical investor for high five, you i think that's

fabulous. you you want fabulous. you do what you want with money. but when you with your money. but when you look of campaigns look at these kind of campaigns and not just this campaign, and it's not just this campaign, it's broader cept it's it's this broader con cept it's not for people seemingly not enough for people seemingly to just what want in to just do what they want in their their own their own life with their own money outlooks. money and their own outlooks. it's than that. it's it's more than that. it's telling everybody else what they need to do. so there call is for all uk pension schemes to do those things. it's not if their call was you know what we want all uk pension funds to have an ethical investment fund, whatever high five make your choices. it's not that it's a step beyond that , which is step beyond that, which is basically saying we want all uk pension schemes to rule out financing any new oil and gas. why? some people are happy with new oil and gas licences . what's new oil and gas licences. what's it got to do with these campaigners to try and prevent people from having that option? if to have if they want to have that? >> well, think it's important >> well, i think it's important to what they're trying to to note what they're trying to do here, isn't to say do here, which isn't to say there be a ban on pension there should be a ban on pension funds investing in these things basically, advert was basically, that advert was informing you know informing people, oh, you know what, going what, your money might be going into z thing, which you're

into x, y, z thing, which you're not happy about. >> you could write >> maybe you could write a letter >> maybe you could write a letti'm reading to you. i'm >> i'm reading to you. i'm reading directly the reading directly from the campaign this is what it campaign group. this is what it says. is they want you says. this is what they want you to do. call on all uk pension schemes to rule out financing for new oil and so for any new oil and gas. so they're saying you can email your pension you're your pension fund, you're not going impact, but going to have much impact, but so they're talking to so i think they're talking to all the country all individuals in the country and email your and saying, you email your pension fund, there won't be much point in me emailing a pension that not pension fund that i'm not a member of, right? >> i think the idea is >> so i think the idea is they're want, they're saying what they want, they're saying what they want, the they want is we want the outcome they want is we want all pension funds to stop financing new oil and gas. >> why that's the outcome >> now, why that's the outcome they obviously that will only >> but obviously that will only happen lots different happen if lots of different pensioners lots of people pensioners and lots of people putting their putting money into their pension fund happen. but the fund want it to happen. but the point trying to make, maybe point i'm trying to make, maybe i'm not articulating it properly. >> i'm trying to make >> the point i'm trying to make is problem with anyone is that no problem with anyone that ethically invest, is that no problem with anyone théproblem ethically invest, is that no problem with anyone théproblem with|ically invest, is that no problem with anyone théproblem with people 1vest, is that no problem with anyone théproblem with people that, no problem with people that prioritise planet worried prioritise the planet worried about climate change. no disrespect meant to disrespect intended or meant to those there are a lot of those people. there are a lot of other not share other people that do not share that well. >> for example, and i'm happy

>> so for example, and i'm happy with their money being in those places, right? say, for places, right? so say, for example, they got their example, if they got their way, you this was the most you know, if this was the most successful campaign we've seen in years, they got in the last 20 years, they got their all pension funds their way. all pension funds disinvested fossil disinvested from fossil fuels. then people who then if there were people who were passionate they then if there were people who were their assionate they then if there were people who were their pensions they then if there were people who were their pension fund they then if there were people who were their pension fund to my then if there were people who were their pension fund to go wanted their pension fund to go to fossil fuels, you could to fossil fuels, then you could create a new pension fund, which is dirty pension fund. is the dirty fuel pension fund. and if people wanted, they could invest is issue. why should >> this is my issue. why should so vast majority of people, so the vast majority of people, many will absolutely many people will be absolutely they'll the biggest they'll just want the biggest return their pension return on their pension funds that can possibly so that they can possibly get. so they can live comfortable into old why should the majority old age. why should the majority of therefore that old age. why should the majority of that therefore that old age. why should the majority of that therreturn that old age. why should the majority of that therreturn on that want that that return on investment, it be investment, why should it be their lives that to change? their lives that have to change? and not just about and this is not just about this campaign it's much campaign group. it's much broader. this my issue with broader. this is my issue with these and campaign these campaigns and campaign groups all groups more generally. it's all about the of about disrupting the lives of the to for the the masses to cater for the choice is of the minority groups. why? >> i suppose people >> well, well, i suppose people who can campaign for climate action so action to mitigate climate change, they would say that just a minority that this is not just a minority concern . if have climate concern. if we have climate change of continue the

change sort of continue at the pace is going, going pace it is going, that's going to of our lives. it's to damage all of our lives. it's also to cost us also actually going to cost us quite lot of money. one of the quite a lot of money. one of the big of inflation has been big causes of inflation has been or was winter anyway, or it was last winter anyway, the price of tomatoes and salad and various vegetables going up because there was more extreme weather southern and weather in southern europe. and i that's the kind of thing i think that's the kind of thing we're going see more often. we're going to see more often. obviously, getting obviously, people getting flooded, north flooded, especially in the north of climate change of england. so climate change will costs. at same will have costs. at the same time, this particular time, i mean, this particular campaign me doesn't like campaign to me doesn't seem like it's demanding people really change their lifestyles too much. it just much. as dawn said, it just turned that the pension turned out that the pension funds invested funds that invested in green energy energy energy instead of dirty energy made last time. made more money last time. >> maybe i'm turning >> it just maybe i'm turning into grumpy woman. it just into a grumpy old woman. it just annoys that these i feel like annoys me that these i feel like all the campaigns across such a broad spectrum social issues, broad spectrum of social issues, it's about forcing the it's all about forcing the majority change it's all about forcing the majo habits, change it's all about forcing the majo habits, their change it's all about forcing the majo habits, their lofnnge their habits, their way of lives, mindsets, their lives, their mindsets, their mentalities, in mentalities, their outlooks in order for a new order to cater for a new collective of people. maybe i am just, as i say, a grumpy old woman. there's nothing wrong with that. michelle, let me share you share with you. i'll show you something something something new, something interesting and happy that

caught today, because caught my eye today, because i do moan and groan. i on do often moan and groan. i on this program, but it's not my fault. it's the news agenda. it's depressing times. it's very depressing at times. anyway, what caught my anyway, look at what caught my eye . you might familiar eye today. you might be familiar with story. it was over in with this story. it was over in india , so it's not necessarily india, so it's not necessarily gb news. i get it. but look at this. right? so this story, if you have been following it, i think it warms the cockles and it's a bit of an inspirational story. it reminds people not to give hope. right. story give up hope. right. long story short, everybody in case you're not familiar, these 41 construction basically construction workers basically in they were in north india, they were helping to build this new road tunnel. there was this landslide , and all of these people then got stuck . i think we're on day got stuck. i think we're on day 17 now anyway . there was able to 17 now anyway. there was able to pass this like food , water, pass this like food, water, oxygen, of course, through this pipe oxygen, of course, through this pipe into these people. but they have been trying for such a long time get these men out time now to get these men out and they've really struggled because have broken and because drills have broken and all the rest of it. this turned into a massive rescue effort anyway . the good news is that anyway. the good news is that

they managed to get all of these people out and they look remarkably well. i'm looking at these fella. if you if you're listening, not watching, and they look than what do. they look better than what i do. they've spent 17 days down in a tunnel. they look fabulous. everyone's absolutely delighted. tunnel. they look fabulous. eveof»ne's absolutely delighted. tunnel. they look fabulous. eveof themibsolutely delighted. tunnel. they look fabulous. eveof them are lutely delighted. tunnel. they look fabulous. eveof them are healthyalighted. tunnel. they look fabulous. eveof them are healthy and ted. tunnel. they look fabulous. eveof them are healthy and well all of them are healthy and well and i just think it's such a good news story. >> it honestly, michel, it is such a feel good factor, isn't it? because when this story first happened, you think, oh, no, this is awful. those poor lads trapped in that cave the other year. as you say, they other year. but as you say, they all so, healthy and, you all look so, so healthy and, you know, fair play to the rescuers because they managed to open a narrow tunnel down they narrow tunnel down where they could food and water down to could get food and water down to keep them going. but i mean, as you say, was like over two you say, it was like over two weeks were down there and weeks they were down there and you it must have been you and it must have been horrific for them. >> and it was like they had like a three foot wide pipe, basically . so they slid these basically. so they slid these guys out one at a time and i just i just think the mentality of the human spirit to stay

positive was making me feel very claustrophobic just talking about it. >> i'm not sure there is positive in that situation an especially if you're trapped with your work colleagues as well. >> of all the people i have to be trapped there with, no be trapped in there with, no offence colleagues, offence some of my colleagues, but want to be but you wouldn't want to be trapped in a confined space trapped in in a confined space with colleagues, with with your colleagues, not with your oh your colleagues. yeah. oh present company excepted , present company excepted, obviously. speaking of my colleagues , actually, it's all colleagues, actually, it's all been kicking off in the press today farage, by today because nigel farage, by the my colleagues, are the way, my colleagues, they are all just wouldn't want all right. i just wouldn't want to stuck tunnel with to be stuck in a tunnel with them for 17 days. that's my point anyway. nigel it's point anyway. nigel farage. it's all off about nigel all been kicking off about nigel farage. of course, been in farage. he's, of course, been in the jungle there he is. i've seen a lot of nigel's skin dunng seen a lot of nigel's skin during this. a celeb i'm not during this. i'm a celeb i'm not sure if i'll at him in the sure if i'll look at him in the same but anyway, same way ever again. but anyway, there's brewing because there's a row brewing because basically they're saying itv is basically they're saying itv is basically to airbrush him out. >> i just think the way itv have been behaving is very strange. i mean, they're the ones that got him they're paying him him in there. they're paying him 1.5 whatever is. 1.5 million or whatever it is. and added nigel lythgoe .

and then we added nigel lythgoe. is it lythgoe or whatever his name is making that very rude gesture on whilst talking gesture on stage whilst talking about jungle. about nigel in the jungle. mate, it's put him it's your company that put him in there in the first place. and then rain, the lovely then the rain, the very lovely cuddly daytime cuddly lorraine on daytime television talking way that television talking in a way that was nasty about how he was really nasty about how he looked bottom and looked and his bottom and everything. if a if a man everything. and if a if a man had said that about a woman, you know wouldn't touch know, their feet wouldn't touch the i just thought the ground. but i just thought that really mean. michael that was really mean. michael are they airbrushing out? are they airbrushing him out? >> i haven't been >> i mean, i haven't been following i'm following this series of i'm a celebrity so i'm not sure how much screen time he's getting. i suppose all i'll say is when i'm booked show and i don't booked onto a show and i don't actually anything, actually have to say anything, i'm appreciative i'm normally very appreciative of that, especially if you're getting 1.3 million. >> never get one >> i'm not getting never get one point. just don't your point. yeah, just don't get your bum out, okay. >> got say, though, >> i've got to say, though, i was watching it merely because a load started crying load of people started crying because nigel was in it and said they'd so i thought, they'd boycott it. so i thought, you know, i'm going help them you know, i'm going to help them with ratings. watched with their ratings. so i watched it the time. i don't it for the first time. i don't really watch that programme and i actually he's i do notice actually he's appearing less and less and less. what do make of

less. but what do you make of that? do you share that opinion? why do think is? why do you think that is? anyway, break, lots anyway, after the break, lots that i want to discuss with you. the marble. do you care the elgin marble. do you care about the future fate of about what the future fate of that and as that marble is? and also as well, casualty war well, the first casualty of war is often truth when it is often the truth when it comes. to israel. hamas, as comes. now to israel. hamas, as an example. do you know to what believe anymore? i'll see you

radio. >> hi there. michelle dewberry with you till seven. the contributing editor for novara media, michael walker, and the former of daily star dawn former editor of daily star dawn neesom, alongside me, apparently us three. we're all too dumb to understand the symbolism of that woman drinking blood in plain sight . i woman drinking blood in plain sight. i don't woman drinking blood in plain sight . i don't know what woman, sight. i don't know what woman, what, what woman? >> drinking. >> drinking. >> i think it was. i think my view were there is referring to the olivia colman the video you've just seen. i don't think that supposed blood. that was supposed to be blood. it's it's supposed to be oil. yeah >> it's supposed to be oil. yeah i do think it was supposed to be

oil. >> and if it was blood, what was the meaning? >> well, i don't know. i'm sure she'll get in touch and tell me. i want my pension fund to give she'll get in touch and tell me. i wethe ny pension fund to give she'll get in touch and tell me. i wethe bestznsion fund to give she'll get in touch and tell me. i wethe best returns. |nd to give she'll get in touch and tell me. i wethe best returns. there'sive she'll get in touch and tell me. i wethe best returns. there's tom me the best returns. there's tom moore and if that is moore on twitter. and if that is oil gas, then be it. tom oil and gas, then so be it. tom moore. have you got any limits with that? you be happy to with that? would you be happy to invest? say like invest? i don't know. say like invest? i don't know. say like in companies or whatever. in arms companies or whatever. if stopped investing in arms companies or whatever. if energy stopped investing in arms companies or whatever. if energy companies, investing in arms companies or whatever. if energy companies, thezsting in arms companies or whatever. if energy companies, the wells in energy companies, the wells pension be in a worse pension pot would be in a worse state than it currently is, says somebody else on twitter. be careful you wish for. careful what you wish for. i don't know, if you don't know. you know, if you look some of oil look at some of these oil companies always just companies that are always just prospering, a straight line up the you might imagine the way you might imagine that they let's talk elgin they do. right let's talk elgin marbles see, this is marbles actually see, this is what i find interesting, right? because that because as i've just said, that sentence at dawn neesom. because as i've just said, that sen't01ce at dawn neesom. because as i've just said, that sen'to dawn. at dawn neesom. because as i've just said, that sen'to dawn. cameramaneesom. because as i've just said, that sen'to dawn. cameraman lookn. because as i've just said, that sen'to dawn. cameraman look at cut to dawn. cameraman look at her. where's she gone? actually, when took position, when you took that position, you're blending into the wall. you're. a god. you're. you're a god. >> yeah. no, true. i do. yeah >> just blended. when she went ahead on the desk there, everyone, she literally disappeared, blended. everyone, she literally disappe mentioned ed. elgin marbles. >> i just want to disappear. oh, right. >> just let me just tell you. right. so elgin marbles.

right. so these elgin marbles. right. so these elgin marbles. right. case you're not right. in case you're not familiar, they're not the marbles you with when marbles that you play with when your kids. oh, no, these are like, sculptures. like, basically sculptures. there's 30 them. it there's about 30 of them. it says there. thought there says 17 there. i thought there was 30. am i making that 7 up. up? >> maybe. >> maybe. >> anyway, it says 17. anyway, there thousands of years old there are thousands of years old about they were about 2500 years old. they were removed in the early 19 century and know long story short, right? they were brought back by lord elgin and they were given over to the british museum and there's been a row pretty much ever since. well, certainly from when greece became an independent country anyway, about who has ownership of these. my marbles, where they should be. my first question to everyone tonight is, do you care about this judging by your headbutting of the table dog, why not? >> i don't care. i really don't care. look, i understand the history and i understand that , history and i understand that, you know, we claim that we've protected them and preserved them, whereas they wouldn't have fared so well and be in such

good condition if they had been lived in greece. i have been having this conversation and covering pretty covering this story since pretty much the damn things were carved. it feels that long. >> you're not that old. >> you're not that old. >> i feel like it at the moment, but look now, if i haven't been i haven't actually been out to the acropolis. if i had, i would want to see them. they've got the beautiful museum there, evidently, i would like evidently, and i would like to see the marble, is see the marble, which is a frieze, basically. that's what it it's a frieze of the most it is. it's a frieze of the most beautifully carved statues. i would see situ. would like to see it in situ. i would like to see it in situ. i would like to see it in situ. i would like to see it in the museum there on the acropolis site. i want to go out site. i don't want to go out there and see the rest of the ruined temples and come back and then have to to the british. then have to go to the british. i honestly don't have problem. i honestly don't have a problem. let it back. dave. let them have it back. dave. >> david, matthew got the >> david, matthew has got the solution. don't we have a solution. why don't we have a referendum matter referendum on the matter of these convert these marbles? 52 can% convert to 48 convert for to return and 48 convert for them romania, then parliament them to romania, then parliament could spend two years ignoring the decision then ultimately the decision and then ultimately it eventually six the decision and then ultimately it to eventually six the decision and then ultimately it to get ntually six the decision and then ultimately it to get themy six the decision and then ultimately it to get them returned, years to get them returned, after which the returners after which time the returners could the rest of their

could spend the rest of their lives about it all. lives moaning about it all. >> david i'm not sure that's helping. send helping. i think we should send everything sort of everything back and then sort of have thing and everything have a thing and then everything back from back that we've stolen from these various countries. >> can have a kind >> and then we can have a kind of competition in britain where we have to create the best replicas and it will support arts crafts the arts and crafts across the country. and also country. and then also the british be telling british museum would be telling this is, this lovely story, which is, yes, steal them, but now yes, we did steal them, but now we've given them back. and then the best of british arts and crafts has remade them. you crafts has remade them. and you can see them as you go around. >> wasn't it the british museum where there was where someone working there was nicking any case? nicking stuff? in any case? >> yes, it was true. yeah, you probably couldn't get away with just the elgin marbles probably couldn't get away with just in the elgin marbles probably couldn't get away with just in youre elgin marbles probably couldn't get away with just in your bag.in marbles home in your bag. >> that was very recent. i think home in your bag. >> th 2000 very recent. i think home in your bag. >> th 2000 so—calledit. i think home in your bag. >> th 2000 so—called treasures about 2000 so—called treasures were about and odd were stolen. about 300 and odd of them returned. so i of them have been returned. so i think was an inside job. think it was an inside job. yeah. george osborne, yeah. and george osborne, remember he is like remember him? yeah. he is like the. what is he the chair of the trustees. chair the trustees. the chair of the museum. now museum. anyway, they're now embarking on this massive digitisation they digitisation project now so they can track the stuff that they've got the museum in the got in the museum in the wellcome trust last right. wellcome trust last year. right. this memory, i

this stuck in my memory, and i knew i, i knew it was there and i got it all printed out today to remind myself there this to remind myself there had this kind called kind of collection called the medicine and back last year medicine man. and back last year they did this whole tweet thread where they said, what is the point museums? they said, point of museums? they said, we're the same we're asking ourselves the same question. their founder started collecting 19th collecting items in the 19th century to give people century in order to give people a understanding of the a better understanding of the art and science of healing throughout they throughout the ages. then they went whole ramble that went on this whole ramble that was they say , who was problematic. they say, who did these objects belong to? how was problematic. they say, who did tithey objects belong to? how was problematic. they say, who did tithey acquired?long to? how was problematic. they say, who did tithey acquired? and to? how was problematic. they say, who did tithey acquired? and whatiow were they acquired? and what gave the right tell their gave us the right to tell their stories? it all went on basically they basically about saying that they then exhibiting then feel that by exhibiting these were basically these items, they were basically these items, they were basically the way i interpret what they were saying is that they were demonstrating a version of medical that based on medical history that is based on racist, sexist, and racist, sexist, sexist and ableist and language. ableist theories. and language. anyway, they the entire anyway, they closed the entire collection good. collection down for good. i thought was a bit thought that was a bit ridiculous, if i'm honest. what do think? ridiculous, if i'm honest. what do i think? ridiculous, if i'm honest. what do i mean,

>> mean, what point of museums? >> i mean, we live in london. when did we last go to the british museum? i mean, i went to the acropolis really very moving experience, but i've lived in london my whole life. maybe seen the elgin maybe i've seen the elgin marbles. i can't really remember. the age of remember. so like in the age of cheap flights and stuff, i think probably people do a more probably people do have a more meaningful experience they probably people do have a more meaningitemsperience they probably people do have a more meaningitems in rience they probably people do have a more meaningitems in the ce they probably people do have a more meaningitems in the place. they see the items in the place. >> that's what i'd love to. i'd love them to be there. >> 4 million people, apparently british, the british british, visited the british museum obviously museum last year. so obviously there appetite there is indeed an appetite for this. what the point of this. but what is the point of museums to learn, to educate yourself, receive yourself, to receive stories? i don't tell me. look don't know. you tell me. look the first casualty of is the first casualty of war is often the truth, isn't it? we're the first casualty of war is of1a1 the truth, isn't it? we're the first casualty of war is ofta crucialuth, isn't it? we're the first casualty of war is ofta crucial pointn't it? we're the first casualty of war is ofta crucial point when we're the first casualty of war is ofta crucial point when itle're the first casualty of war is ofta crucial point when it comes at a crucial point when it comes to the israel hamas situation. how do you know to believe how do you know what to believe anymore? i'll see you .

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contributing editor, navarro media, michael walker and former editor of the daily star dawn neesom clear up a very important point which has put to me point that which has put to me by one my viewers know i did by one of my viewers know i did not get dressed in a hurricane. no, am not wearing multiple no, i am not wearing multiple different i can different dresses. yes, i can afford dress. it's afford a single dress. it's fashion, darling. what fashion, darling. that's what i can say now about these elgin marbles. i'm telling you, so many of my viewers have written in saying, please , can you in saying, please, can you collect? correct. michael walker for marbles were not for the elgin marbles were not stolen. think you as well. stolen. i think you as well. didn't that? no, they didn't you say that? no, they were stolen. they were were not stolen. they were purchased by lord elgin. why does everybody keep saying that those things were stolen? well, there you go. i didn't correct that. i did indeed. correct that. i did indeed. correct that. look, time flies on this program. there is something else i want to get to because i think it's really interesting and important. we all know we're at a point now with a critical point now with the conflict it comes to israel conflict when it comes to israel and the casualty of and hamas. the first casualty of war truth. right that is war is the truth. right that is a saying is being quoted a saying that is being quoted and on and on. i have seen a lot of over the last 24

of outrage over the last 24 hours. there was a screening. there is a screening idf are doing screening about body cam doing a screening about body cam footage. yourself attended footage. you yourself attended the screening along with owen jones , who is a journalist, that jones, who is a journalist, that many of you guys at home will perhaps be familiar with. now there critiquing done of there is some critiquing done of there is some critiquing done of the screening hamas sorry, the screening that hamas sorry, the screening that hamas sorry, the have been displaying and the idf have been displaying and a lot of people upset and a lot of people are upset and angry critiqued as angry that it's critiqued as opposed being taken at face opposed to being taken at face value to which kind of makes me get to the point of when is this situation , this war zone going situation, this war zone going on? how do people know what to believe and what do you feel to the criticism that's been aimed at that scrutinised at people that are scrutinised using that's coming out? >> yeah. so i mean, i think in terms of the screening specifically, so my problem with thatis specifically, so my problem with that is i do think that what should happen if we want to learn what has happened on any event, is that footage in evidence should be passed to independent outlets. independent news outlets. >> expecting it to >> so i'm not expecting it to get sent to novara media. i think reuters is associated press, comes weakness press, the bbc comes weakness where you've got really experienced journalists who can

verify things and put them in context. my concern with the idf screening very distressing to watch, by the way. of course. i mean, there were terrible things which happened on october but which happened on october 7. but my they've shown my concern is they've shown a lot of people often they're not really investigative lot of people often they're not really investhey're sort journalists. they're often sort of twitter of people with big twitter followings who followings or people who us influencers essentially. and then influencer does is then what the influencer does is they things i have seen, they say the things i have seen, you possibly imagine. and you can't possibly imagine. and then that encourages the then what that encourages the audience is imagine the audience to do is imagine the worst thing that could possibly happen. think there's happen. and i think there's a reason that these are being put on the idf, the israel on by the idf, by the israel defence force, because they want people be having these wild, people to be having these wild, imaginative of explorations imaginative sort of explorations where they oh, what's the where they think, oh, what's the worst thing i can worst possible thing i can imagine to oh, that must imagine to happen? oh, that must have that must what have happened. that must be what these saw they these journalists saw when they were in cinema. and you were in the cinema. and then you get of ridiculous get these sort of ridiculous situations have situations where you have someone murray someone like douglas murray going on talk tv and saying hamas worse nazis. hamas are worse than a nazis. and you've this sort of this and you've got this sort of this this inflation where we keep having worse than having to say this is worse than the worst thing ever. >> and this is used to then

justify the bombing of lots of people gaza. justify the bombing of lots of peo that's gaza. justify the bombing of lots of peo that's that. justify the bombing of lots of peothat's that is a view that >> that's that is a view that a lot of people have, isn't it, about that they are worse about hamas, that they are worse than that? >> let's no mistake. >> well, let's make no mistake. what happened on october on october the 7th, i'm sure, michael utterly, michael lowry was utterly, utterly horrific and you just can't comprehend what the families and the people at the dance festival went through. atrocities have been committed on both sides. and i don't remember i covered our the genocide in rwanda. and also i was lucky enough to lucky, if that's the right word, to go to bosnia and talk to people out there who experienced there the murders of muslims out there. so i i've never experienced as much propaganda as we are seeing from both sides in this conflict. maybe it's because obviously, compared to those two conflicts, the advent of social media, everything is on social media now. and the existence of deep fakes where it's incredibly hard

to see what is real. i mean, you know, on a lighter note, you know, on a lighter note, you know, the pope in a puffer jacket, the world was fooled by that. it was clearly a fake in the end. but there are so many images now. and i as an experienced journalist, i have no whether i'm seeing no idea whether what i'm seeing on either side is real anymore . on either side is real anymore. >> and that is i mean, that is the problem. that is the challenge . because right now, challenge. because right now, not just this country, many countries across the globe, understandably , are massively understandably, are massively divided on this issue. what's going on in israel. hamas divided on this issue. what's going on in israel . hamas is going on in israel. hamas is absolutely affecting domestically a variety of different countries , isn't it? yeah. >> and i mean, i think on this issue. so i think one of the reasons the israelis are getting somewhat frustrated is because they have closer relationships with governments and with with our governments and they relationship they have closer relationship with establishment media. they have closer relationship witit's establishment media. they have closer relationship witit's generally ishment media. they have closer relationship witit's generally beenznt media. they have closer relationship witit's generally been the nedia. they have closer relationship witit's generally been the case|. so it's generally been the case that western media and western politics of given the politics has sort of given the israeli perspective on things . israeli perspective on things. and i think because of the advent of social media this advent of social media and this is lots of people lots is why lots of people are lots of the israeli side of people on the israeli side are about tiktok is are complaining about tiktok is what younger are seeing,

what younger people are seeing, what younger people are seeing, what is the what they're shocked by is the bombing a state which is our bombing by a state which is our ally innocent women. and ally of innocent women. and kids. because remember, you know , what hamas did on october the 7th was terrible. but our government doesn't fund or back hamas . but for me, what israel hamas. but for me, what israel has been doing over the past few weeks is terrible. and our government funds and backs them. so i think that's why people on the and younger people on the left and younger people on these outraged by these apps are more outraged by these apps are more outraged by the side because the israeli side just because we back them. >> there go. back them. >> there m m >> well, there you go. what do you make it all? where do you you make to it all? where do you double check everything that you see? you take do you take see? do you take do you take things at face value? what do you of social you think is the role of social media? it an essential role, media? is it an essential role, you know, play of getting your facts? or is it too easy, manipulated for the gain of others ? your thoughts on that others? your thoughts on that for now . michael walker, thank for now. michael walker, thank you for your company tonight. dawn neesom thank you as well for yours. also a very important thank you guys at home. i very much appreciate your company. lots of you still writing in about the elgin marbles, apparently. yes, you do care.

and lots of you are saying that their hours and they should remain here anyway. look, that's all i've got time for. have a fabulous night and i will see you tomorrow evening. >> i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. the cold weather continues quite a few of us having a frosty start tomorrow morning. and for some there'll be some sleet and snow around area of low around as well. this area of low pressure just edging down through north bringing through the north sea, bringing some winds, but also some gusty winds, but also bringing showers to bringing more showers to northern scotland and down the eastern into northeast eastern side into northeast england, southeast scotland, 1 or 2 sleet and snow showers may produce a covering through the night. and it could turn icy as temperatures plummet. a few rain showers scattered over the midlands, southwest midlands, wales, southwest england . a bit more cloud here england. a bit more cloud here may prevent frost, may just prevent a frost, but really the midlands really from the midlands northwards be northwards, many areas will be below freezing rural spots, well below freezing rural spots, well below freezing rural spots, well below freezing and hence why it could be icy. still where we've got these showers coming in tomorrow over northern northeastern scotland , southeast northeastern scotland, southeast scotland, england.

scotland, northeast england. again some sleet and snow is likely for a time. the cloud and the south should tend to break up.and the south should tend to break up. and so for many, it'll be a day of sparse sunshine, but it will be a cold feeling. day 2 or 3 for many across the north, maybe five, 6 or 7, and perhaps a little higher in the far southwest. milder air nudging back on thursday , back in here on thursday, bringing some wet weather, damp and possibility of and drizzly, the possibility of some and mostly over some sleet and snow mostly over the moors in the southwest, further wintry showers in parts of the east. again, it could be icy thing in the morning, icy first thing in the morning, but it's a dry but again, for many, it's a dry and bright day, but it will and a bright day, but it will again be on the cold side with temperatures mostly around

away . away. >> good evening . welcome to >> good evening. welcome to farage. with me camilla tominey. again, i'm with you again till

8:00. i'm here in all week in fact. so you're stuck with me and we've got a great show planned for you. we're going to discuss andrew bailey , the bank discuss andrew bailey, the bank of governor is of england governor who is saying britain's saying that britain's growth outlook he's ever outlook is the worst he's ever seen. he a doom monger that's seen. is he a doom monger that's talking down the economy? we're also going be by also going to be joined by nimrod pal—mac , who is an nimrod pal—mac, who is an israeli hero who saved hundreds of on october the 7th of lives on october the 7th after leaving goodbye message after leaving a goodbye message to own children . and we head to his own children. and we head back the gold coast to get back to the gold coast to get the jungle latest from ben leo. as questions are raised over nigel's airtime, all of this and much, much more to come after the news with polly middlehurst . camilla >> thank you and good evening to you. we begin this bulletin with some breaking news. we can tell you 12 more israeli hostages have now this evening been released from gaza . we've had released from gaza. we've had word from israel defence forces, which says ten israeli , his and which says ten israeli, his and two foreign nationals are