and when it comes to energy saving. and speaking of energy , saving. and speaking of energy, is it time to means test the winter fuel allowance .7 winter fuel allowance? controversial? i know . and controversial? i know. and ursula von der leyen said that the young should fix brexit by basically returning us back to the eu. so should the young get another vote on the issue sometime in the near future? and when? what would it look like? and i also want to ask, should it be harder for companies to hire overseas workers ? and last hire overseas workers? and last but not least, there seems to be some odd goings on, doesn't there, when it comes to how nigel farage is being portrayed in the jungle? well, why. i will be getting stuck into all of that. but before i do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headunes.

headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. will the top story from the newsroom is that the israeli prime minister has said today his country will continue to fight hamas until the end, despite right the pause in fighting . israel the end, despite right the pause infighting. israel and hamas in fighting. israel and hamas have been negotiating an extension to the humanitarian truce which would see the exchange of men or military personnel not just women and children . benjamin netanyahu children. benjamin netanyahu repeated that israel is resolute in its intention to destroy the hamas terror group , as he had . hamas terror group, as he had. >> there is no situation where we won't go back to fighting until the end. this is my policy . he the entire cabinet is behind it. the entire government is behind it. the soldiers are behind it and our people are behind it and our people are behind it. this is exactly what we will do . we will do. >> the israeli prime minister speaking earlier on today. well, it news here at home, sir keir starmer says the government is to blame for record migration numbers as he promised to scrap

laws that allow workers from overseas to be paid less than british workers . the prime british workers. the prime minister and the labour leader clashed during prime minister's questions today with sir keir reminding mps of the government's promise to reduce legal migration even back in 2019. rishi sunak conceded that immigration levels are still too high, but he insisted the number is coming down. >> it's really a bit rich to hear about this from someone who described all immigration law as racist , who literally said it racist, who literally said it was a mistake to control immigration when we have taken steps and we will take further steps, which is why recent estimates of immigration show that it's slowing. it's why next yean that it's slowing. it's why next year, the immigration health surcharge will increase by over two thirds. it's why immigration fees going up by up to 35. fees are going up by up to 35. >> rishi sunak now a new research project , >> rishi sunak now a new research project, aims to end all new transmissions of hiv in england by 2030. it's going to

see a so—called opt out hiv testing in a&e departments increased in a bid to detect the virus in people who might not otherwise be tested . experts are otherwise be tested. experts are saying more than 4000 people in england are believed to be living with the virus without knowing health and social care secretary victoria atkins says it is an important step towards eradu locating hiv . this eradu locating hiv. this announcement today rolling out these important blood tests across a further 46 areas. >> it will really help to drive up diagnoses of hiv and we've seen from the scheme that has already be rolled out across the highest prevalence areas that it thousands of people can be helped with this these early diagnoses and then they can be given the support and the medical treatment they need to lead, not just longer lives, but also high quality lives. and so i'm really excited that

birmingham and 45 other areas are going to be helping patients locally . we understand their locally. we understand their their health needs and how we can help treat them . can help treat them. >> nottingham city council says it is in severe financial distress and is therefore unable to deliver a balanced budget . to deliver a balanced budget. the council has issued a section 114 notice this, that's the same measure taken by birmingham council in september. east midlands reporter will hollis says all new spending will be frozen for the authority, but measures will be put in place which protect vulnerable people. >> nottingham city council has today announced that it cannot balance its budget and the chief financial officer has issued a section 104 notice effective declaring bankruptcy . that means declaring bankruptcy. that means that the labour led authority from today can only spend money on statutory services. those are things like education for roads, for children, services is now

the council must meet within 21 days to discuss what measures they will be putting in place. the council has already spent a number of years struggling with its finances , liz, and today it its finances, liz, and today it has really come to a head . has really come to a head. >> will hollis now a 13 year old boy, has been handed a two year sentence for killing his foster mother with her own car outside her home last year. grant who was also a grandmother, was killed in sheffield in april this year by the teenager who can't be named for legal reasons . prosecutors said there was no evidence he'd intended to harm mrs. grant and that his intention was to drive away the teenager pleaded guilty to causing death by dangerous driving in october. >> since marsyas death, our thoughts have been with her family and friends after she was taken from them in the most difficult of circumstances . as difficult of circumstances. as marsha was a wife, mother , marsha was a wife, mother, grandmother, friend and a pillar

of her community, her death has had a profound effect on everybody who loved her. although the criminal justice process has concluded today , i process has concluded today, i am aware that this brings no resolution or closure for marsha's friends and family. >> representative of south yorkshire police ending that report here with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. thanks for that, polly, our michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me , a tonight alongside me, a returning face, the pr guru kevin craig, and also alongside him, the conservative commentator alex dean. >> also a pr guru. what a treat for us tonight , ladies and for us tonight, ladies and gents, not least because towards the end of the programme, i do want to ask about brand nigel, who some would call him the next prime minister. some would call

him someone they never want to see ever again. he divides him someone they never want to see ever butiin. he divides him someone they never want to see ever but what'sdivides him someone they never want to see ever but what's going; him someone they never want to see ever but what's going on opinion, but what's going on with he's being with the way he's being represented in jungle? i'll represented in the jungle? i'll get that before the end of get on to that before the end of the programme. you know the the programme. and you know the drill here, you? it's drill on here, don't you? it's not us three. it is not just about us three. it is about you guys at home. what's on tonight? you can on your mind tonight? you can get in touch all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com you vaiews@gbnews.com or you can tweet @gbnews. i'll tell you tweet me @gbnews. i'll tell you something that's on my mind briefly, i saw on briefly, something i saw on twitter before i came on twitterjust before i came on air. if you use twitter or x or whatever it you might have whatever it is you might have seen about it is seen me tweet about this. it is a from visit britain. they a tweet from visit britain. they are the official tourist board of britain. they've got a of great britain. they've got a lovely so they have, lovely picture. so they have, they tower bridge dressed to they say tower bridge dressed to impress for the holidays with a lovely christmassy image. and i just want to say to visit britain, i think the word that you're for there is you're looking for there is christmas . christmas, you're looking for there is christmas. christmas, i'll you're looking for there is christmas . christmas, i'll say christmas. christmas, i'll say it one last time for those at the back that are hard of hearing, it's not the holidays, it is christmas. i'd also say to that brand as well, you might want update your want to update your imagery because exact same because you use that exact same picture years ago on your

picture three years ago on your twitter surely can twitter feed. surely you can update get your naming update it and get your naming right the time, can't right at the same time, can't you? i asking too much? you? am i asking too much? i don't know. you get in touch and tell me anyway , as i was tell me anyway, as i was mentioning at the start of this programme, because for the next, what, 20 something minutes now you ladies and gents, you have a fantastic opportunity earn fantastic opportunity to earn some do not get too some money. do not get too excited though, because it's kind of pennies really, as opposed pounds. it's all opposed to pounds. it's all about basically you being encouraged off your encouraged to turn off your appliances. definitely your appliances. definitely not your telly. definitely not your radio, definitely not your computer . you can carry on computer. you can carry on watching this programme, but it's stuff like your washing machines. i don't know if you've got big immersion or got big immersion heaters or whatever. those kind of whatever. it's those kind of things all about the, things and it's all about the, the us wanting to use the surge of us wanting to use energy these moments. energy in these cold moments. apparently a million households have signed up so far. you you have signed up so far. you you have to have a smart metre, by the way, for this to take effect. do you think this is a good initiative, alex? >> i think there's nothing wrong with people being paid by their suppliers to have their their

equipment turned off in their home if they choose to, because nothing there's nothing compelling to do. so at the compelling them to do. so at the moment, bigger issue here moment, the bigger issue here for and revealing thing for me and the revealing thing about it that there's about it is that there's not enough our power enough capacity in our power system, not enough system, there's not enough provision available there's provision available and there's not enough spare power availability. now it's our fault as a country , we haven't as a country, we haven't invested enough. we haven't built enough nuclear power stations, we haven't got enough gas is the gas stations, which is the bridging facility for the future. and renewables, whilst vital part of the mix and a vital part of the mix and a vital part of the mix and a vital part of the future just aren't up to enough reliability yet. and are still, many of them, too expensive to make up for what we need. and of course there's been an element of overpromising on the side of what we get from renewables what we can get from renewables in the future. in the long term, absolutely. but right now we need of everything. unless need a lot of everything. unless we to import a lot from we want to import a lot from abroad. and i'm afraid this demonstrates that we haven't invested capacity invested enough in our capacity city. don't people being city. i don't mind people being paid turn off their paid pennies to turn off their appliances but we appliances, but really we shouldn't position where

shouldn't be in a position where we to. we need to. >> i'll come back to you on that one. but for you and this financial incentive, is it a goodidea? >> think it's great. i mean, >> i think it's great. i mean, l, >> i think it's great. i mean, i, i read earlier today that you could by not using could save £8 by not using a tumble dryer . could save £8 by not using a tumble dryer. right. but tumble dryer. all right. but that all adds up. >> but would use a tumble >> but would you use a tumble dryer? too tight use one. dryer? i'm too tight to use one. are you? definitely yeah, definitely not. >> everyone's like that, are >> not everyone's like that, are they? is it because you're from hull? >> i don't know what it is. i am really reluctant to, you know, try to. >> i mean, i was in hull, my fellow hullensians out there, you know what i mean? >> interruption to your broadcast. >> i don't use dryer >> i don't use a tumble dryer and do it is because i'm and i do think it is because i'm tight. >> i make no bones about that. no, just tight. i can't lie. so i'm always surprised when people do them. it's quite do use them. it's quite frivolous to me. but anyway, this whole notion that if you wear a tumble dryer, use that and you're not for the next 20 minutes so. is this the minutes or so. is this the future that you're going to save minutes or so. is this the chouple at you're going to save minutes or so. is this the chouple ofyou're going to save minutes or so. is this the chouple of quidz going to save minutes or so. is this the chouple of quid oroing to save minutes or so. is this the chouple of quid oroi|couple1ve minutes or so. is this the chouple of quid oroi|couple of. a couple of quid or a couple of. >> i think it is. i think >> bob, i think it is. i think it's good. i think every to use

somebody else's slogan, every little helps. it is done elsewhere in the world has elsewhere in the world and has been successful. agree been successful. and i'd agree with there is a with alex that there is a broader debate about energy availability. this is just availability. but this is just common the interesting common sense. the interesting thing that a million thing is that over a million people have signed up, so it means there's public interest. >> are you one of them? are you sitting there now? you've turned your tumble dryer not for your tumble dryer off? not for tightness, because tightness, but because you're trying rebate or trying to get this rebate or whatever to call it. are whatever we want to call it. are you one of them? tell me about it. talk about this it. let's talk then about this energy. well, lack of domestic energy. well, lack of domestic energy and why we're in energy supply and why we're in this mess . this mess. >> well, i mean, there's a few well discussed reasons on this programme. the war in ukraine lack of capacity, the weather, they've all added up at the moment to create particularly challenging conditions. yeah, but that's . but that's. >> yeah, but things like the war in ukraine pushing up the prices because of the demand that would because of the demand that would be irrelevant if we had our own domestic supply of energy. >> well this is why i'm very

enthusiastic about the labour party's plans for energy which will make us less reliant on energy from tyrants like putin. but you're also very anti the policy that i'm sure you will champion , which is the licensing champion, which is the licensing of new oil and gas licenses to help us become more domestically secure. >> yeah, there are very few policies, if you think about it, that really put no pun intended on the north sea, clear blue water between the parties . water between the parties. >> at the moment, labour is very keen maintain its poll lead keen to maintain its poll lead and rock the boat and and not rock the boat and therefore avoid things therefore avoid saying things that from that are too different from the status sure we'll see status quo. i'm sure we'll see lots coming out with manifestos and but that's the and so forth, but that's the broad position broad labour position at the moment. of things they moment. one of the things they have a firm position have taken a firm position on, and a mistake just and i think it's a mistake just in purely pragmatic terms, a politically as well as in terms of activity, saying of energy activity, is saying they grant any more new they wouldn't grant any more new nonh they wouldn't grant any more new north sea licences. first of all, i think it's a mistake for the reason kevin has mentioned, that we make ourselves less dependent, the dependent, whether it be the middle east or regimes like russia. we have russia. the more we have ourselves. secondly, if

ourselves. but secondly, if you're looking to exploit the precedented snp , precedented collapse of the snp, which is a remarkable political phenomenon, we probably don't discuss were discuss enough. they were absolutely dominant even at the last election and are almost last election and now are almost a it's a terrible a spent force. it's a terrible message to send to people north of the border, especially in jobs which, you know, aspirant people. a good chunk of the working people who may not working class people who may not have but want good have degrees, but they want good paying have degrees, but they want good paying jobs and then lots of high jobs , which high skilled jobs, which scotland jobs in scotland needs more of jobs in and around the rigs in and around helping your around docks, helping your country lights on. country to keep the lights on. those things. and the those are good things. and the conservative party has gone all out we're going to out and said, we're going to we're going to keep going until the thing has been the last thing has been extracted. reasonably extracted. that's reasonably economically extracted. that's reasonably economicalabour saying we're north sea labour saying we're not to new not going to allow any new licenses. it's one of their few rare blue sea policies between them and the tories. and i think it's a really bad one. >> do you know, so it won't surprise i mean, as alex surprise you. i mean, as alex says, is a very active outside of his job conservative. that's his i would say, his position. but i would say, and i know for a fact was on a and i know for a fact i was on a briefing with anas sarwar,

briefing today with anas sarwar, leader scottish labour, leader of scottish labour, talking priorities for talking about the priorities for scotland which around scotland, which are based around green energy, not losing. it would be political suicide to put anything forward that's going people's jobs and going to lose people's jobs and the energy plans and the the green energy plans and the clean energy superpower by 2030. there's of opportunity there's a lot of opportunity in scotland. there's very scotland. there's a very different philosophy around this because labour wants to create jobs, promote economic growth, but also there are environmental considerations and i think it's very healthy. there is big disagreement about the impacts of that. but labour do not want to do anything to cost a single job in scotland and wouldn't . job in scotland and wouldn't. >> want to move but >> you may want to move on, but i this debate about jobs in i just this debate about jobs in energy out much or more energy plays out as much or more on left at the moment than on the left at the moment than it on right actually it does on the right actually because know, because that's why, you know, people like the leader of the gmb come out. the unions gmb have come out. the unions have said, well, we would we might been with you on might have been with you on these where these arguments, but where are these arguments, but where are these green we've been these green jobs we've been promised? of promised? and in the absence of those doing like closing those doing things like closing aberdeen's come. aberdeen's wealth has come. i mean, got great proud mean, it's got a great proud history. some may want move mean, it's got a great proud historfrom me may want move mean, it's got a great proud historfrom it; may want move mean, it's got a great proud historfrom it with/ want move mean, it's got a great proud historfrom it with the nt move mean, it's got a great proud historfrom it with the legacyiove

mean, it's got a great proud historfrom it with the legacy ofe away from it with the legacy of empire and so forth. but it's 20th century record success 20th century record of success and comes and economic prosperity comes from sea oil and our from our north sea oil and our nonh from our north sea oil and our north sea exploration. and it seems to me foolish in the seems to me very foolish in the absence of large and significant union type jobs in green energy, which so far haven't manifested, it's having a certainty on the nonh it's having a certainty on the north sea piece versus a promise which many people think is vanishing or they've been chasing for a long time. vanishing or they've been chayeah.or a long time. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and for me, all this green stuff, it sounds lovely. who wouldn't to have this wouldn't want to have this wonderful energy situation wouldn't want to have this wand rful energy situation wouldn't want to have this wand rful greatnergy situation wouldn't want to have this wand rful great when situation wouldn't want to have this wand rful great when the ation ? and that's great when the wind's sun is wind's blowing or the sun is shining and can store all shining and you can store all the that you've but the stuff that you've got, but in the interim, there is a need for things like oil. so why then would you want to be dependent on things russia's of the on things like russia's of the world, why wouldn't on things like russia's of the wor|want why wouldn't on things like russia's of the wor|want exploit y wouldn't on things like russia's of the wor|want exploit y w> well, your about that >> well, your point about that infer being a sort of common sense approach is one that labouris sense approach is one that labour is very pro in the sense of they're not going to grant future licences but are not going to cancel any that have been already granted and all of this, this transition to more

renewable energy is being done in partnership with the unions as an industry. and last week when keir starmer and the leader of scottish labour were meeting a lot of people from business, there very large degree of there was a very large degree of enthusiasm make this work. enthusiasm to make this work. people sides of politics people on all sides of politics share concerns about jobs and i can assure you that, you know, i don't believe the labour party will put anything forward that was bad for people's jobs and prosperity. i'm really keen that we have more renewables in the future, of course, and it's a vital part of our national future and our global future. >> the time being, it >> but for the time being, it won't be swapping out oil and gas the north sea for gas in the north sea for renewables. it'll be swapping out from the north out oil and gas from the north sea oil and gas from other sea for oil and gas from other countries. that seems pretty foolish me. foolish to me. >> briefly, what you foolish to me. >> about fly, what you foolish to me. >> about winterat you foolish to me. >> about winter fuel you think about winter fuel allowance being means tested? >> i think it should be. >> i think it should be. >> i think it's mad to hand out money the wealthy. money to the wealthy. >> you think? >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> instinctively, i would agree with that. is how with that. the debate is how would it? and there is a would you do it? and there is a mechanism be great mechanism which would be great if felt like promoting

if gb news felt like promoting later donate it later where people can donate it already if they feel so inclined. uk, oxfordshire. inclined. age uk, oxfordshire. >> you want if you want >> if you want to. if you want to pay more tax, you want to to pay more tax, if you want to return money the country, you return money to the country, you can check to hmrc and can write a check to hmrc and guess they'll it. guess what? they'll cash it. >> yeah. and guess what? >> yeah. and guess what? >> hardly anyone does that. no it me laugh. how it really makes me laugh. how many people do some. >> years they millions. >> some years they get millions. some hundreds of some years they get hundreds of thousands. you know, some thousands. but, you know, some people do. >> i find it fascinating. >> i always find it fascinating. there's one contributor. i'm sure matthew stadler, and sure it's matthew stadler, and he program all the he comes on my program all the time willingly pay time saying i'd willingly pay more then well, more tax. go on. then well, i do. i said, well, go on then. go on then. there's a mechanism. go on then. there's a mechanism. go on whilst on your break on whilst you're on your break you sort it out while you can sort it out while you're on never do. found you can sort it out while you're orfascinating.never do. found you can sort it out while you're orfascinating. nick do. found you can sort it out while you're orfascinating. nick says, found it fascinating. nick says, michelle, what on earth do you do with all your washing then, if use a dryer? if you don't use a tumble dryer? yeah, just over yeah, well, you just put it over things dry, don't surely things to dry, don't you? surely or was i found a new or there was a i found a new unit other it was unit the other day and it was like you could zip it all up, put your washing there and put your washing in there and it was a it was like a hair was like a it was like a hair dryer went inside it. it dryer that went inside it. it sounds. sounds weird. get sounds. it sounds weird. i get it. but it seemed right.

it. but it seemed all right. anyway really. people use tumble dryers time. what dryers all the time. that's what you are me. you you guys are telling me. you think bit weird? sally think it's a bit weird? sally says. you ever been to says. have you ever been to hull? i oh, there go, hull? i have. oh, there you go, sally. actually. sally. i actually. >> actually love hull. do >> no, i actually love hull. do you? yeah, yeah, yeah. >> there is brilliant. >> do they? >> do they? >> don't if his nose is >> i don't know if his nose is growing or not as he says that. i don't know if his fingers are one best friends from hull. >> tim knight. lovely guy. >> tim knight. lovely guy. >> you hello to >> oh, there you go. hello to tim you're watching. anyway tim if you're watching. anyway look, is you've look, what time is it? you've still to save still got ten minutes to save your pennies. hold off using that only that tumble dryer. you've only got minutes. got lot. got ten more minutes. got a lot. i want to talk to you after the break. we able to get break. should we be able to get foreign workers companies as easily currently easily as they currently do? and do with do we have a problem with workshy this country? workshy brits in this country? you you

radio. >> hello there, i'm michelle dewberry , apparently the world's dewberry, apparently the world's biggest weirdo because they don't use a tumble dryer. alongside me is the pr guru kevin craig and the conservative

commentator alex dean. people all just cannot get their head around that. i don't use a tumble dryer. i can't get my head around that. everyone seems to view it as an essential item . to view it as an essential item. um, you, though, are um, lots of you, though, are taking they are taking advantage in your next eight minutes of that kind switching that kind of switching appliances money. appliances off to save money. one of my viewers just told me he's to £12 tonight he's going to save £12 tonight because a heat pump. because he's got a heat pump. i actually surprised it's that actually am surprised it's that high. got to be honest . high. i've got to be honest. lots of you, though, are saying that you are going to do this currently. you are doing it. a couple of have said to me as couple of you have said to me as well, into all of well, you don't buy into all of this. your off this. switch your appliances off to few because you to get a few quid because you reckon covering up for the reckon it's covering up for the incompetence politicians that incompetence of politicians that haven't managed to out haven't managed to sort out the energy this energy situation in this country. as country. so why should you as consumers , you're asking, what consumers, you're asking, what are you going come in then i are you going to come in then i was to say, if we really was going to say, if we really this me. this initiative, fine by me. >> we really want make >> but if we really want to make a difference, bigger a difference, think bigger rather people rather than just giving people a couple quid a bill couple of quid back on a bill that's quite for high not using appliances, not give people appliances, why not give people appliances, why not give people a money if they agree a lot of money if they agree to have their have a facility in their neighbourhood they might not

otherwise have had? if have otherwise have had? if you have a, you know, all the way to people who live around sizewell or a new gas plant or whatever, or a new gas plant or whatever, or a new gas plant or a new wind farm, if you live in area, you should get in that area, you should get your energy highly your energy at a highly subsidised rate even for free. >> would agree free. >> would you agree to that? add it energy you it to have something energy you were going are you into were just going are you into that or not? were just going are you into tha i or not? were just going are you into thai can or not? were just going are you into thai can see rot? were just going are you into thai can see why alex suggests >> i can see why alex suggests it, but it's a bit like when the snp start going about they snp start going on about they want the money for their oil and we're actually, you know, i like to keep it national because we're a united kingdom nationwide trying to get these things right. >> i respect that. some >> i respect that. but some people live with it next people have to live with it next door and we're door to them. and if we're trying convince them to have trying to convince them to have a or new gas a new pylon or have a new gas facility or have a new wind farm that lots people i i've sort that lots of people i i've sort of come around to them really, but but a lot but no pun intended, but a lot of them very ugly if of people find them very ugly if they're going to have them nearby the nearby and they've got the ability their ability to say to their councillor, don't want and councillor, i don't want it, and to a one of the ways councillor, i don't want it, and to make one of the ways councillor, i don't want it, and to make them one of the ways councillor, i don't want it, and to make them make )f the ways councillor, i don't want it, and to make them make someone's councillor, i don't want it, and to make them make someone be a yes in my backyard is to say you'll get a lower bill as result. >> well, there you go. me

>> well, there you go. let me know on that. know your thoughts on that. another i want to to another thing i want to talk to you about tonight is immigration. pops immigration. this topic pops up all um, what to all the time. um, what to do about kind of skill about this kind of skill shortage growers? it shortage list? is it growers? it seems to me it seems the day. seems to me it seems by the day. i'm that frequent, i'm sure it's not that frequent, but it certainly seems that way. pretty much all occupations, if you this. it's things you ask me on this. it's things like to like construct workers to dancers. name it. and dancers. you name it. and of course now course we'll be familiar by now with you can bring with the fact that you can bring these people in at 80% discount from the salary here in this country now, sunak, he is country. now, rishi sunak, he is basically facing a lot of pressure now to either rip up this skill shortage list altogether to raise the amount of money that you've got to be earning, etcetera. what should he these he do about these foreign workers the minimum workers raising the minimum requirement for pay is a no brainer because it hasn't gone up since it was first introduced over ago . over a decade ago. >> and seen take off all >> and we've seen take off all the we think about the arguments. we think about inflation and cost living and inflation and cost of living and rising . and wages, rising wages. and if wages, wages rising fast enough wages aren't rising fast enough for and so forth. it for workers and so forth. so it seems to me obvious that we should or the rate should lower or raise the rate at which . at which. >> why hasn't that happened?

>> so why hasn't that happened? well, it's things get well, i think it's things get introduced know, introduced and maybe, you know, it right for the time that it was right for the time that it was right for the time that it was. >> but politically, it's quite difficult change once difficult to change things once they're takes they're in an inertia takes effect. it's the same effect. it's sort of the same thing leave their thing where they leave their they leave our tax brackets where they are and they get the benefits of fiscal drag and therefore we will up paying therefore we will wind up paying slightly because slightly higher taxes because more into the more people get drawn into the higher brackets. if you leave the it is , you get the salary where it is, you get more people coming in the short term for migration to plug the labour shortage so it can help government in the short term, but help in the but it doesn't help them in the medium long term, not least medium or long term, not least because comes to because a migrant who comes to this aspires to do this country and aspires to do well wants to hard, well and wants to work hard, wants better, move out wants to do better, and move out of paying jobs that of the low paying jobs that you're talking about, quite rightly understandably. you're talking about, quite rightlhave understandably. you're talking about, quite rightlhave youierstandably. you're talking about, quite rightlhave you got:andably. you're talking about, quite rightlhave you got then?ly. you're talking about, quite rightlhave you got then? a new what have you got then? a new a new vacancy in which you have to try and get another new migrant new vacancy in which you have to try sod get another new migrant new vacancy in which you have to try so thet another new migrant new vacancy in which you have to try so the solution, new migrant new vacancy in which you have to try so the solution, new migt0|t in. so the solution, it seems to me, is that you've got to look at things once. got at two things at once. we've got more shortage than we've more labour shortage than we've had got more adults had and we've got more adults of working in work than working age, not in work than we've these we've ever had before. these two things related and things might be related and trying to motivate people to

work seems to me, is part of work it seems to me, is part of the solution. mel strides, the treasury announced whole the solution. mel strides, the treiof ry announced whole the solution. mel strides, the treiof thingsannounced whole the solution. mel strides, the treiof things like�*unced whole the solution. mel strides, the treiof things like rhiannon/hole set of things like rhiannon assessing people rather than condemning them with the soft bigotry of low expectations . to bigotry of low expectations. to say once you're on the sick, you never come off it. we're never going and help you back going to try and help you back into a job. we're never going to encourage never going into a job. we're never going to encouragand never going into a job. we're never going to encouragand assess never going into a job. we're never going to encouragand assess you ver going into a job. we're never going to encouragand assess you ver gsee; to come and assess you and see if you're well. now helping people. of people people. there's plenty of people on sick or incapacity on on sick or incapacity benefits stuck their benefits who are stuck in their own home would like to work own home but would like to work and onune own home but would like to work and online age, why can't and in the online age, why can't we can't we help we help them? why can't we help them from home? it seems to them work from home? it seems to me, is a good idea. but the point i was going to make about this, this short job this, this, this, this short job shortage, accept as shortage, we just accept it as gospel. an gospel. when a work when an organisation tells they've organisation tells us they've got shortage and we got a worker shortage and we should them. if should do more to help them. if you and you're not you run a shop and you're not selling product, we might selling your product, we might look well, if look at you and say, well, if you right, do you need you priced it right, do you need to revisit advertising? to revisit your advertising? maybe stock. and maybe you need new stock. and when business says, i can't when a business says, i can't find the right workers, we say, well, government to well, what can government do to help? rather than saying, are you enough? should you you paying enough? should you

revisit conditions? revisit your working conditions? are advertising right are you advertising in the right way? it's not all government's fault. you know. way? it's not all government's fau is you know. way? it's not all government's fau is you fair?. >> is that fair? >> is that fair? >> it fair ? yeah, it's fair >> is it fair? yeah, it's fair to say. i'm not sure if it if it's totally accurate. i mean, i'm interested that it's many farmers that have over time not been able to find the staff they need to basically harvest crops and that that not happening would exacerbate our own shortages of food supply and interest . hinckley this this interest. hinckley this this farmer here in question , right. farmer here in question, right. you know, they advertised for workers and just couldn't get the numbers from local brits. and i think now it's astonishing, right? 98% of and i think now it's astonishing, right ? 98% of the astonishing, right? 98% of the uk's fruit pickers come or, you know, crop pickers produce come from elsewhere around the globe. and it's got worse after brexit. and. >> but why so why do brits because i remember i >> but why so why do brits because i rememberi remember because i remember i remember this categorically. >> my sisters used to get picked up at the corner at the roundabout in this minibus off to the farm. they went with all the other people and they used to do things like cucumber

picking. because picking. i swerved it because i got a supermarket. got a job in a supermarket. those used to do those those people used to do those jobs. brits so why are they not doing well i think doing those now? well i think there's an interesting correlation , i think, between correlation, i think, between the number, the number of vacancies that alex quite rightly points out in the workforce. >> and for example , the number >> and for example, the number of who are registered of people who are registered sick in this country and nhs waiting lists. and i think there's a correlation there where if the nhs works better and gets more people through and fit back work, might fit back to work, that might help. mean , is it just that help. i mean, is it just that we're older and that we think the young are work shy now, which is kind of the vibe around this debate a bit that people don't to do the tough jobs don't want to do the tough jobs anymore. know that anymore. i don't know about that because single because it's not a single generational thing. >> you were talking >> the farmer you were talking about today, about in in this story today, david simmons been farming david simmons has been farming his family's been farming. that property cornwall for five property in cornwall for five generations. and mr simmons says that it used to depend entirely on to do their farming. on locals to do their farming. and now brits don't do it. and he does have an answer to your

question, which is brits have got it too cushy. we're not hungry enough . hungry enough. >> do you think do you think that because you see, one of the things i think is young things i think now is young people and will go, oh, people and people will go, oh, michel, you're generalising, but so young now, so many young people now, they see youtube stuff. see all this daft youtube stuff. they see people going on. i'm a celebrity. i'm a celebrity now because i sit on youtube. i'm an influencer. i can earn money this way. and then you say to this way. and then if you say to those people, right, do you want to £10.42 those people, right, do you want towas £10.42 those people, right, do you want towas minimum £10.42 those people, right, do you want towas minimum wage, £10.42 those people, right, do you want towas minimum wage, picking it was minimum wage, picking cucumbers, going cucumbers, they're going to look at daft, because at you daft, right? because they're now can there and they're now can sit there and think, well no, i want to be famous. i want to be a celebrity. i want to go on reality tv. >> e” n e i mean, em— w— e i mean, all i can >> yeah, well, i mean, all i can say you know, observe say is that i, you know, observe in a different number of environments, lot young environments, a lot of young people hard, know, people working hard, you know, whether part jobs whether it's part time jobs whilst university i >> l: n kn- k n i'm not convinced >> see, i just i'm not convinced that there's a generation of people who want to be on. i'm a celebrity or youtubers. all these new jobs. these all these new jobs. i think there's still a work ethic. people want to get on. i am really perplexed, though, by the number of vacancies in the

workforce currently. >> well, let let's explore why, because we're not getting to the root of why do we think so? there's loads of vacancies, but people are not choosing to take them. why >> well, i mean, it's very regional in terms of where the jobs are and i think are they the best? are they the best paid ? >> 7- >> you 7— >> you know, ? >> you know, we've been 7 >> you know, we've been able to we've been able to repress as a left wing argument for you. we've been able in this country quite in some ways to quite wrongly, in some ways to repress what pay people for repress what we pay people for less well paid jobs because we've relied on migration coming to this country and then remitting home. very often the worker then goes and leaves the system and you don't have the same for pension same liabilities for pension costs health care where you costs and health care where you incur those costs life incur those costs later in life as and done that at as well. and we've done that at the of training, educate the expense of training, educate , teaching and encouraging, giving , giving to giving, giving experience to younger in this country younger people in this country who might otherwise if the job was paying a little better, go and it. but the point is, and and do it. but the point is, and this is tied up to our

productivity stagnation as well , productivity stagnation as well, businesses become more productive and your economy becomes productive when you becomes more productive when you invest technology and invest in power technology and education in different ways for your workforce . and there's been your workforce. and there's been no incentive to business no incentive for to business basically in any of those basically invest in any of those things can rely on things as long as it can rely on ultra labour we import things as long as it can rely on ultra abroad.abour we import from abroad. >> one of my viewers, michelle, says, we our whole village used to turn to dig the farmers to turn out to dig the farmers potatoes in the day, she potatoes back in the day, she says. it was a real social thing. it really was good. it was not about money, was not just about the money, she was about the she says. it was about the interaction the friendship, interaction and the friendship, the esteem. etcetera. interaction and the friendship, tispoke esteem. etcetera. interaction and the friendship, tispoke to .teem. etcetera. interaction and the friendship, tispoke to someone etcetera. interaction and the friendship, tispoke to someone ,atcetera. interaction and the friendship, tispoke to someone , a:etera. interaction and the friendship, tispoke to someone , a friend of i spoke to someone, a friend of mine actually, who might be watching, i will keep his watching, so i will keep his details has had to unfortunately has had to go bankrupt it. and then he told me now now on universal bankrupt it. and then he told me now heiow on universal bankrupt it. and then he told me now he wason universal bankrupt it. and then he told me now he was saying'ersal bankrupt it. and then he told me now he was saying to ;al bankrupt it. and then he told me now he was saying to me, credit. he was saying to me, i now get my rent paid. i get a discount on council tax and discount on my council tax and a discount on my council tax and a discount my water. and i was discount on my water. and i was saying to him, so what's your plan going to go plan then? are you going to go back to work or what are you going this is man going to do? and this is a man that's whole life. that's worked his whole life. and around to me and and he turned around to me and said, now i've got to said, well, now i've got to weigh up. is it worth my while

now work? now going to work? >> old he is? now going to work? >> 50, old he is? now going to work? >> 50, probably s? now going to work? >> 50, probably 56, 54, 56, something like but he's something like that. but he's worked life. he's a worked his whole life. he's a grafter. i hope he's if he's grafter. and i hope he's if he's watching, he might think i'm a bit discussing him. but bit rude discussing him. but when said so what are when i said to him, so what are you do what work? you going to do then? what work? i at his i was really shocked at his answer. now i'll get my answer. well, now i'll get my rent paid, my this, paid my, that then where is the that paid. so then where is the incentive work? incentive to go and do work? >> look, i think in his case, >> look, so i think in his case, i i think if that i don't know. i think if that happens you in mid to happens to you in your mid to late might have done so late 50s, you might have done so much before. make you much before. it might make you think going hard think again before going hard back the workplace, you back at it in the workplace, you know, know, know, being on, you know, support from government support from the government benefits it's benefits universal credit. it's not a desirable place to be. i mean, it isn't you know, the state's got control over your life. really tight. life. the money's really tight. and think i think the idea and i think i think the idea that choice for people that that's a choice for people who want to be lazy, i'm just i'm not convinced. just one thing, alex, i'll just come to you. i did want to say your point, michel, about reasons for agricultural places and people not fruit picking not doing the fruit picking anymore. of anymore. it's the cost of housing, which in a of these housing, which in a lot of these communities country

communities around the country is so disproportionately high that leave that young people have to leave to get a home. >> certainly in >> that's certainly true in cornwall. you don't have to dispute the that it's not dispute the notion that it's not pleasant to on benefits, to pleasant to be on benefits, to point out that there's still a pernicious of people . and pernicious effect of people. and it happens many , many roles it happens in many, many roles where people take fewer hours at risk of losing benefits. and that kind of that kind of step change, that drop where people say, if i do another four hours work, then i'll get the reduction in benefits would be so significant that i'd better not. that's a benefit trap that keeps them forever in that in that kind environment and that kind of environment and a system that does that is not good. >> yeah. and that threshold, i think it's about 16 hours. >> i do that's >> and i do think that's something to something that needs to be explored and unpicked. and i know you say, oh yeah, there's loads of people that wouldn't choose lifestyle choose that lifestyle and who wants just universal wants to live just on universal credit. are people credit. but there are people that would be on universal credit go work in credit and then go work cash in hand system. so hand and play the system. so they're living on that they're not just living on that little universal credit. they're not just living on that littithere universal credit. they're not just living on that littithere are niversal credit. they're not just living on that littithere are people. credit. they're not just living on that littithere are people likejit. they're not just living on that littithere are people like that. >> there are people like that. but i mean, there's fraud and

criminality with all levels of society mean, society in the system. i mean, you i absolutely you know, look, i absolutely think that should called think that that should be called out, out out, as we should call out corruption higher the chain. corruption higher up the chain. >> me ask about the >> so let me ask about the labour policy, you labour policy, because you everyone will be familiar with the that all about the fact that it was all about education, education, education. so my day you just so you know, in my day you just went got work because went and got work because you needed way and you needed to pay your way and you just wanted to get on the just wanted to get on in the world. then this education, education, education, everyone goes get goes to university, go and get all and all the all your degrees and all the rest do you think that rest of it. do you think that there was an unintended consequence shoving everyone there was an unintended consequepeople shoving everyone there was an unintended conseque people shov university ne or many people into university that almost gave people this kind i'm too kind of mindset that i'm too good for that menial job over there? because i've got a degree in nonsense and i'm now too good to the fruit. to do the fruit. >> picking a degree in nonsense. >> picking a degree in nonsense. >> well, some of are pretty >> well, some of them are pretty much in nonsense, much a degree in nonsense, actually. lie. actually. can't lie. >> i mean, look, there was a really, in my view, a very welcome focus on education under in the blair years, which is where slogan from where you quote that slogan from is there now a move back in all political parties to the value of vocational education? >> is was that was that policy do you think that one of the

unintended consequences of that policy get everyone policy is to get everyone university that university educated? was that a lot of people then thought, because i've got this degree, i'm too good to do the so—called menial job. >> i don't think so. but i don't i don't think we can evidence it either way. i think we can have our views on it. i don't think so, no. >> so you think at home, do >> so you think that at home, do you actually, a lot of you think actually, a lot of people to university and people did go to university and now are too good, now think they are too good, essentially do, don't know, essentially to do, i don't know, you your fruit you shelf stacking or your fruit picking whatever that is. picking or whatever that job is. >> of the young, picking or whatever that job is. >> you of the young, picking or whatever that job is. >> you think of the young, picking or whatever that job is. >> you think that of the young, picking or whatever that job is. >> you think that they1e young, picking or whatever that job is. >> you think that they should g, do you think that they should have referendum about have a future referendum about whether should rejoin whether or not we should rejoin the european union? ursula von der she says basically der leyen, she says basically that young , it's their job, that the young, it's their job, their duty to try and fix brexit byindeed their duty to try and fix brexit by indeed returning us to the bosom of the eu. is she right.

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>> hello there, michelle dewberry. tell 7:00 tonight, kevin craig and alex dean remain alongside me. one of my viewers, deborah , on twitter. she's deborah, on twitter. she's saying, why do the government give benefits in the form of money? why isn't it in the form of vouchers so that essentially people only spend it on people can only spend it on things food? is a good idea? >>i idea? >> i think it's too complicated. that and yeah, i wouldn't be in favour of that. >> is that a no? would you be in favour of that? more, more voucher style systems? >> i certainly see kevin's point with traditional technology , with traditional technology, with traditional technology, with modern technology, there may be reasons to look at it, particularly given how adept people are now at using computers and smartphones and but of course, the people who are least well off are the least likely to have such things. so we should always beware some whiz bang solution that actually doesn't hit the issue that you're addressing. yeah well, keep your thoughts coming in gbviews@gbnews.com. >> now listen , let me play you

>> now listen, let me play you this clip from ursula von der leyen. i'm sure you'll be familiar with who she is. take a listen . listen. >> speaking of this, european union , do you believe that union, do you believe that britain could ever rejoin this european ? britain, who ? european union? britain, who? it's a small country with an ambassador sitting right there . ambassador sitting right there. it's a small pirate island off the coast of france , uk , united the coast of france, uk, united kingdom . could it rejoin the kingdom. could it rejoin the european union? >> ambassador ? >> ambassador? >> ambassador? >> so, ambassador, you know my position. first of all, thanks god . with the windsor agreement, god. with the windsor agreement, we had a new beginning for old friends. very important . and friends. very important. and then i must say , i keep telling then i must say, i keep telling my children, you have to fix it. we goofed it up. you have to fix it. so i think here to the direction of travel, my personal opinion is clear. >> oh, how they laugh at the hilarious gags about how insignia vacant we are here the young people. do you think they should get a chance for a future

referendum? >> well, she certainly right. >> well, she certainly right. >> goofed it up. and if by >> they goofed it up. and if by they they mean the remain campaign and the eu, which of course gave david cameron so little in his renegotiation, that couldn't really boast that they couldn't really boast that they couldn't really boast that they'd achieved something substantive came back to substantive when he came back to the uk , then she's spot on to the uk, then she's spot on to say that they goofed it up. but i so and i would were we to have such a referendum, i would vote no. i wouldn't want to rejoin the eu, but i may surprise you on the principle of having one. i'm not against that really at all. inasmuch as i think it's much more intellectually honest than had happening than what we've had happening over time this country since over time in this country since our referendum. the intellectual and morally dishonest approach is to try to undermine the decision that we took and take us in without having another vote. and plenty of people tried to do that. indeed, that was the explicit position of explicit electoral position of the liberal democrats at the last election to brexit. just go in again have in again and not have a referendum and i hate to point it out to them, but they didn't

form government after the last election the intellectually election. so the intellectually respectable position is to campaign to rejoin . and if campaign to rejoin. and if people want to do it, whilst i'd never embrace it, they're perfectly entitled to kevin well, i would just simply say that ursula von der linde can can have her opinions. >> there are a few things to point out . the opinion poll point out. the opinion poll evidence is very clear that amongst young people they are very strongly in favour of the country rejoining the eu . i country rejoining the eu. i don't see us doing that as a country any time soon. the labour party is very keen to move on from the divisions of the discussions around brexit. there's a very interesting quote. you know, the labour government were they to have the privilege of being elected once a working relationship with a good working relationship with the there's going to the eu, but there's not going to be vote again any time soon be any vote again any time soon because the british people , because the british people, wherever you were on the subject , had their opinion and they made that decision. and it's a bit like not rerunning the scottish referendum, which i think would be a disaster.

that's right. >> in the next >> you know, in the next election, chance because election, no chance because neither of them and labour's position now , now is position now, now, now is admirably rejoining admirably clear. not rejoining single market, not rejoining customs union, not returning to freedom movement . that means freedom of movement. that means you rejoin the eu. so you can't rejoin the eu. so ursula von leyen, at least ursula von der leyen, at least in next parliament, in the next parliament, whoever forms whistling forms government is whistling dixie, simon says. >> michel , we dixie, simon says. >> michel, we had pretty much 40 years inside of the eu before we voted out. so therefore, in his mind, he says, we should not have another referendum until we've 40 years we've had at least 40 years outside of the eu. evan says. to be honest, michel, i consider myself to be young. i'm 26. i voted leave , and i do exactly voted leave, and i do exactly the same thing again. the sentiment that young people all kind of remainers would be challenged . i suspect philip challenged. i suspect philip says if labour win the next election, we will definitely be back in the eu. >> but philip's entitled to his view. but it's absolutely not what what keir starmer is putting forward to the country. you know, wherever you were on

the debate to leave the eu, the british people made their decision. and unlike old nigel farage, who said if it's close, run it again, you know, which i'll keep mentioning until it gets too boring. that's not the proper position, you know. so, philip, i'm sorry , you know, philip, i'm sorry, you know, keir starmer said , let's move on. >> and by the way , is philip >> and by the way, is philip saying about labour? a lot of people will say now because david cameron has now got back into the tory party in a very key role. he was, of course, many would say publicly, a prominent remainer. many would say publicly, a prominent remainer . so therefore prominent remainer. so therefore many people say that actually the tories be trying to the tories would be trying to get into the eu. get us back into the eu. >> no chance. get us back into the eu. >> the:hance. get us back into the eu. >> the conservative party will not be to take us back not be trying to take us back into european union. the into the european union. the prime minister, who was a brexiteer, the way , is brexiteer, by the way, is vociferously against it and our membership is completely against it. but the thing to remember here now is the thing that kevin's been pointing is kevin's been pointing out and is absolutely right. labour's position against if position is against it. and if your viewer thinks that labour would us back in, he would

would take us back in, he would have to believe that the labour party lying on such party is lying on such a gargantuan level now and actually i as a conservative don't believe that i think it's corrosive to around saying corrosive to go around saying people are being disingenuous or dishonest. keir starmer and co dishonest. i keir starmer and co are people i happen to disagree with profoundly issues. with profoundly on many issues. i wouldn't for them, i wouldn't vote for them, but i don't they're lying. don't think they're lying. >> to think >> it might be harsh to think that disingenuous or that people are disingenuous or lying but i suspect lying in politics, but i suspect that viewers will be that many of my viewers will be screaming screen now, screaming at the screen now, saying, think that saying, we do think that michelle, because of the track record that we record of the people that we have power, what do they have in power, what do they promise what do they promise us versus what do they deliver us? promise us versus what do they delwe us? off this program, >> we started off this program, didn't about didn't we, talking about net migration. in the migration. i'm sure that in the tory manifesto something tory manifesto it was something like it down to like we'll get it down to a quarter of a million. here we are 745,000, but there are now at 745,000, but there you go. i'm sure you'll have strong opinions on that coming up break. what's going up after the break. what's going on nigel farage in the on with nigel farage in the jungle? have you been following it? are so many people it? why are so many people desperate to be offended or if they're not, they pretend that they're not, they pretend that they are because they want to cause problems for other people. look at that .

hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. kevin craig, alex dean remain alongside me. lots of you guys getting in touch about the winter fuel allowance . i don't winter fuel allowance. i don't really think there's much kind of , you know, love for the fact of, you know, love for the fact that the suggestion of it being means tested , but you are a means tested, but you are a little bit divided on it. stephen says, no, it should not be means tested and but it should be taxed declared items. so those on higher tax bands end up a lot of back , up paying a lot of it back, letho says. i do think the winter fuel allowance should be means tested . energy karl says means tested. energy karl says energy discounts are discriminated against. people who don't have smart metres and still many of you are still talking about the fact that i don't have a tumble dryer now.

have you been watching nigel farage in the jungle? well i say watching him is barely been on it. he in recent days now it. has he in recent days now what i found quite interesting this nigel farage is almost, if you ask me, is being on you ask me, is being nigh on invisible , pretty much invisible invisible, pretty much invisible invisible, pretty much invisible in the last few days . but then in the last few days. but then last something last night, something interesting happened . there was interesting happened. there was all a of a storm in all kind of a bit of a storm in all kind of a bit of a storm in a teacup for a different a teacup for a few different reasons. was a lot reasons. the first one was a lot of people getting really reasons. the first one was a lot of pec about getting really reasons. the first one was a lot of pec about somethingzally reasons. the first one was a lot of pec about something that nigel upset about something that nigel farage a cameo video. farage said on a cameo video. now if you don't know what a cameo is, i will just cameo video is, i will just enlighten you. it's basically me. know if you were me. i don't know if you were trying find for trying to find a gift for someone's birthday or wedding or whatever. cameo. whatever. you can use cameo. it's system online. you find it's a system online. you find the celebrity that you want. you tell what you want them to tell them what you want them to say. that person a video say. that person records a video and send it to your mate for and you send it to your mate for christmas whatever. the christmas or whatever. the key component is point christmas or whatever. the key com|which is point christmas or whatever. the key com|which is is point christmas or whatever. the key com|which is you is point christmas or whatever. the key com|which is you tell is point christmas or whatever. the key com|which is you tell them oint christmas or whatever. the key com|which is you tell them what two, which is you tell them what to now nigel farage has to say. now nigel farage has videos emerge . very suspicious videos emerge. very suspicious timing, you anyway he timing, if you ask me. anyway he was word. i didn't even was saying a word. i didn't even realise that it was offensive, but apparently it is. a lot of people are now basically saying

that find it that he's a racist. i find it very because, as very peculiar because, as i said, tell the individual said, you tell the individual what say and don't what to say and if you don't realise that something's offensive, you know what? offensive, then you know what? but as well, there's this but also as well, there's this whole row that brewed in the jungle. let's just have a little quick listen in. >> let's take where is it now ? >> let's take where is it now? >> let's take where is it now? >> recreate it . >> recreate it. >> recreate it. >> i want you to the back because you remember we've got to find the promo shot, though. i've got the shot 2002, me sombrero , some maracas. you is sombrero, some maracas. you is sombrero, some maracas. you is sombrero , but no maracas . we sombrero, but no maracas. we both got sombreros on and candyfloss all right? yeah >> so that's not the rule that was in the jungle. the rule that was in the jungle. the rule that was in the jungle. the rule that was in the jungle was about nigel saying you can't dress as a mexican because apparently it's appropriation, it's cultural appropriation, so you dec aware you might want to make dec aware of what do you think is of that. what do you think is going on? because you are pr guru when it comes guru was you too when it comes to the brand of nigel farage. is this helping him, hindering him or what? >> so farage has always been a divisive and it's divisive figure and it's probably most helpful to step

back from the individual and look principle, is look at the principle, which is that in modern society and it's something we've got fix, something we've got to fix, people they can people think that if they can even semi plausibly that even semi plausibly claim that something is offensive or they've been offended , then it's they've been offended, then it's game over. you don't even need to what the person said . to analyse what the person said. you need to rebut any you don't need to rebut any substantive . they are substantive arguments. they are finished of public finished in the realm of public discourse. a very discourse. that is a very unhealthy affairs . in unhealthy state of affairs. in fact, generally speaking fact, i think generally speaking , consequence of , that the consequence of offending somebody is that they are offended . and if you have are offended. and if you have been offended by something that i've said , oh, well, carry on i've said, oh, well, carry on being offended and as for the mexican thing that you were just showing, which is an interesting example , well, lots of people example, well, lots of people who pursue offence will claim that's offensive . far left that's offensive. far left students on campus will say their fellow students can't go out on a night out dressed as mexicans . do you know who's not mexicans. do you know who's not offended? mexicans >> well, they go. >> well, they go. >> well, they go. >> well , well, yes . >> kevin well, well, yes. >> kevin well, well, yes. >> agree with most of that, really. but the thing let's go

back to nigel and brand and you know, you might not like what i'm to say, right? but i'm about to say, right? but this viewing figures this this is the viewing figures this year are down. okay. and the reason that nigel farage has not been on screen a huge amount is not, in my opinion, some conspiracy by the mainstream media against, you know, nigel for his political views. you know, it's also possible that he hasn't been that interesting in their and you know the timing of this row and all of that you know, it's all very speculative . know, it's all very speculative. the show is it works because it's funny , controversial and it's funny, controversial and interesting . you know do i think interesting. you know do i think that people take offence too easily nowadays? yes you know, is it if you're going to have a go at two people dressing up as mexicans, what about the world cup? there loads of english cup? there were loads of english fans, dressing up fans, welsh fans dressing up in the that just fun the local garb. is that just fun and getting into the world cup? yes. it offensive? no. yes. is it offensive? no. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i just think, you know, when you go on reality tv and i do speak experience, you do speak from experience, you do almost your the

almost sell your soul to the devil because what goes on, it's all the edit . it doesn't all about the edit. it doesn't matter. could the most matter. you could be the most interesting the most interesting person, the most bonng interesting person, the most boring whatever , the boring person, whatever, or the person control the way person that will control the way that are seen is the that you are seen is the editors, the producers, those kind . so i think kind of people. so i just think it's interesting because it's very interesting because you perhaps it's you say, nigel, perhaps it's just boring . i went with just been boring. i went with nigel can category nigel every day. i can category say one thing i would never say that one thing i would never describe is describe nigel as being is a boring. you don't know. >> you don't know what he's what he's like in there. >> you know. well did you see him get his bum out the other day? >>i day? >> i will never unsee him getting bum out, quite getting his bum out, quite frankly, can frankly, before i open that can of that says a nice of worms. yeah. that says a nice way end that image . oh, way to end it. that image. oh, anyway, you for anyway, kevin, thank you for your thank you very your time. alex, thank you very much, have a nice night. much, guys. have a nice night. >> a brighter outlook boxed much, guys. have a nice night. >> a sponsors utlook boxed much, guys. have a nice night. >> a sponsors of ook boxed much, guys. have a nice night. >> a sponsors of weather boxed much, guys. have a nice night. >> a sponsors of weather on xed much, guys. have a nice night. >> a sponsors of weather on .3d solar. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. thursday will be another cold day. there's still some dry and sunny weather to be had , but we do

weather to be had, but we do also have some snow and ice warnings in force for thursday morning across the northeast coast. we could see some snow showers continuing throughout tonight, but it's across the southwest where this area of rain push up from the rain will push up from the south, into the cold south, bumping into the cold air, bringing some snow to southern , mainly across southern areas, mainly across the ground devon. and the high ground in devon. and cornwall. could see cornwall. but we could see a dusting snow as east as dusting of snow as far east as parts of wiltshire. so potentially some snow and ice out there tomorrow morning . out there tomorrow morning. there's also an ice risk across parts of northern ireland as well. it will cold well. and it will be a cold start once again, a colder start than this morning. tomorrow morning, the snow showers will continue across northeastern areas, throughout thursday. this areas, throughout thursday. this area rain, sleet and snow area of rain, sleet and snow will continue to affect the far south—west as well through much of the day before it does then sink southwards into the evening in between, though, we've got a good deal of sunshine. it will be feeling cold, though. temperatures still reaching temperatures still only reaching 3 or degrees for many areas . 3 or 4 degrees for many areas. some areas of scotland sticking with all day. another with a frost all day. so another very cold start to friday, much

of that rain has now cleared the south, but we will see some patches of freezing fog around . patches of freezing fog around. these could be quite slow to clear throughout friday and elsewhere , though, a good amount elsewhere, though, a good amount of sunshine once again , a bit of sunshine once again, a bit more to throughout more sunshine to come throughout saturday sunday. the saturday and sunday. and the temperatures could start to rise a little in south end temperatures could start to rise a ithee in south end temperatures could start to rise a ithe weekend)uth end temperatures could start to rise a ithe weekend .1th end of the weekend. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers are sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good evening. welcome to farage with me camilla tominey. >> lovely to be with you again this evening. thank you for your company. show, company. on tonight's show, we're discussing we're going to be discussing visas. need to done visas. does more need to be done to control foreign labour? to control cheap foreign labour?

with legal migration now at record levels, we'll also be going back to the gold coast for an update on nigel in i'm a celebrity, what's going celebrity, what's been going down in the jungle quite a lot, it particularly off set . it seems particularly off set. and we'll be discussing a new bank spying scandal. stay tuned for all of that. but first, here's the news with polly middlehurst . camila thank you middlehurst. camila thank you and good evening to you. we start this bulletin with some breaking news. a convoy carrying more hostages abducted by hamas in the 7th of october. attacks has arrived at the rafah border crossing in egypt within the last half hour. and israel's military says two of the hostages are now with idf special forces . they're safe special forces. they're safe inside israel territory. this is happening right now in egypt on the rafah border crossing. the handover of israeli hostages that have been away from their families for so long were also heanng families for so long were also hearing that more palestinian prisoners will be released