failed to do during the perhaps failed to do during the pandemic. weakening justice. >> the sentencing council has revealed plans to soften sentencing for criminals who come from disadvantaged backgrounds. should your backgrounds. should your background be a mitigating factor in your prison sentence . factor in your prison sentence. and some breaking news to bring you in the last few minutes. >> the musician , singer and all >> the musician, singer and all time christmas legend shane macgowan has died at the age of 65. of course, the singer from the pogues. >> yes, best known for his hit fairytale of new york. he has sadly passed away , aged only 65. sadly passed away, aged only 65. he was, in fact born on christmas day in 1957, in kent . christmas day in 1957, in kent. best known for that. absolutely brilliant christmas tune . brilliant christmas tune. >> absolutely. and it's heard every christmas around. i actually didn't know that he was

born on christmas day . it does born on christmas day. it does make the whole thing sort of more fitting. but of course , more fitting. but of course, other band members of the pogues have died in tragedy before there was of course a dreadful jet ski accident that killed one of his compact idiots. but no, shane macgowan has died in the last few minutes, so we'll be bringing you more on this news as we get it. already, some reaction from his wife, victoria , mary clarke, who says shane will always be the light that i hold before me. and the measure of my dreams and the love of my life. >> and i'm sure the tributes will keep flooding in for shane macgowan, who sadly died aged 65. before we get into the show, let's get your headlines with tatiana . tatiana. >> emily, thank you and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom. rmt members have voted overwhelmingly to accept a deal to end their long

running dispute over pay and conditions. it's understood to include a backdated pay rise of 5% for last year and job security guarantees such as no compulsory redundancies until the end of next year. it means that rmt members will no longer be involved in industrial action until at least the spring of 2024. train drivers represented by the aslef union are still set to strike rmt general secretary mick lynch says this campaign shows that sustained strike action and unity gets results . action and unity gets results. matt hancock has told the uk covid inquiry his single greatest regret was not overruling formal scientific advice he was receiving about a symptomatic transmission. he also told the told the inquiry that government at the time of the pandemic was a toxic culture and lacked empathy. the former health secretary is currently giving evidence on the role of the department of health and social care, saying they were trying to raise the alarm with

whitehall since middle whitehall since the middle of january he's denied the january 2020. he's denied the absence of a plan ahead of the pandemic, saying weren't pandemic, saying they weren't adequate. were plans adequate. but there were plans in place. former prime minister bofis in place. former prime minister boris johnson will give evidence next . hamas has claimed next week. hamas has claimed responsible for the shooting that killed three people in jerusalem. at least eight more were injured in the attack. it happened at a bus stop during rush hour outside the entrance to the capital. police say that the two suspected attackers were neutralised on the spot . the neutralised on the spot. the israeli military says the ceasefire truce with hamas will continue for another day. six teen hostages held in gaza were freed last night on what was thought to be the final day of a two day extension. to the pause in fighting. the latest hostage prisoner swap included an american—israeli dual citizen, a dutch dual citizen and three german dual citizens in the israel prison service says it freed 30 palestinians is in that truce arrangement . a terror

truce arrangement. a terror attack in the uk linked to the gaza conflict is likely only a matter of time. security sources have directly told gb news it comes as counter—terror police warn the public to remain extra vigilant in the run up to christmas . scotland yard's head christmas. scotland yard's head of counter terror policing says there is no specific intelligence of any planned attacks , but that calls to the attacks, but that calls to the anti—terror hotline have risen 700% since the attack by hamas on israel on october 7th. counter—terror commander dominic murphy says the met is prepared in light of the surge in extreme onune in light of the surge in extreme online material being reported seen in the past. >> haven't we, that events overseas often can lead to radicalisation of individuals here and we're very alive to that. here and we're very alive to that . and we've seen an increase that. and we've seen an increase in prevent referrals as we've seen a particular increase in the amount of online extreme material referred to us. we're now over 2500 reports from the to public the counter terrorism internet referral unit . over 500 internet referral unit. over 500 of those are require more investigation to understand whether there has been a hate

crime or a terrorism act offence committed . committed. >> so yes, now a world first onune >> so yes, now a world first online fraud charter is being launched today to tackle online scams as the home secretary will host representative from several leading tech companies , leading tech companies, including facebook tiktok , including facebook tiktok, snapchat and youtube, to sign the pledge to tackle the issue. the charter will introduce a number of measures to better protect users, including verifying new advertisers and removing fraudulent content swiftly . over 800,000 nursing swiftly. over 800,000 nursing professions are currently registered to work in the uk . registered to work in the uk. that's a rise of almost 20,000 in the past six months, according to the nursing and midwifery council . an increase midwifery council. an increase in nursing registered nurses registering in the uk from so—called red list countries has raised questions around nhs recruiting practices . speaking recruiting practices. speaking this morning, the prime minister says the government's plans are laying the groundwork for winter. earlier this year i announced a long term workforce plan for the nhs, the first in its 75 year history, which will

ensure that right now we're going to expand the number of training places for nurses, doctors and all sorts of medical professionals so that in the future the staff that we need. >> great. that settle the >> great. that we settle the consults ants earlier consults ants dispute earlier this week as well. very welcome news and all the resources we're putting into the nhs now can go to giving patients the care that they need opportunity for me they need and opportunity for me to say thank you to all our fantastic in advance fantastic nhs staff in advance of the met office has of winter the met office has issued yellow snow and ice alerts for large areas of the uk as temperatures plummet. >> the warnings are in place for parts of scotland, england and northern ireland. yorkshire has already seen wintry showers along the coast . temperatures along the coast. temperatures are along the coast. temperatures am dmp along the coast. temperatures are drop to as low are expected to drop to as low as —eight degrees celsius in rural parts of scotland. the alerts are in place until later today and also until 11:00 tomorrow morning . this is gb tomorrow morning. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to tom

and . emily and. emily >> good afternoon , britain. >> good afternoon, britain. a terror attack in the uk linked to the conflict in gaza is likely only a matter of time. that's what security sources have told gb news. it comes as counter—terror police warn the pubuc counter—terror police warn the public to remain extra vigilant in the run up to christmas . in the run up to christmas. >> now, scotland yard's head of counter—terror policing says there is no specific intelligence of any planned attacks . but calls to the attacks. but calls to the anti—terror hotline have risen 700% since the conflict in the middle east began on the 7th of october. well gb news homeland security editor mark white was given access to counter—terrorism patrols in central . london on patrol with central. london on patrol with a counter terror team in central london. >> these officers are from operation servator , a mix of operation servator, a mix of uniformed and covert plainclothes teams. we've got a

lot of plainclothes officers working the area today. >> just keep people safe on the for christmas. so if you see anyone staring at you and as well as engaging with the public. >> these patrols are on the lookout suspicious. lookout for anything suspicious. is of the ordinary , is anything out of the ordinary, especially over the busy festive penod especially over the busy festive period .7 penod? >> draw together at christmas . >> draw together at christmas. both our families, we go shopping . we visit events like shopping. we visit events like winter wonderland . we got busy. winter wonderland. we got busy. one of the busiest shopping streets in europe behind us obviously draws a lot of people in. and we ask members of the pubuc in. and we ask members of the public as they're shopping in these areas, enjoying themselves as should be, they remain as they should be, they remain vigilant well. vigilant as well. >> is understandable >> there is understandable concern in that the war in gaza could be the catalyst for terror attacks here in the uk . in attacks here in the uk. in recent weeks, the alert levels in france and belgium have been raised after a separate terror attacks in those countries . as attacks in those countries. as these british transport police officers have also increased their counter terror patrols in their counter terror patrols in the run up to christmas.

although the uk terror threat level has not yet been raised by counter—terror, police have seen a 700% increase in calls to the anti—terror hotline since the start of the israel hamas conflict. >> we've seen in the past events overseas often can lead to radicalisation of individuals here and we're very alive to that. and we've seen an increase in prevent referrals and we've seen a particular increase in the amount of online extreme material referred to us. we're now over 2500 reports from the pubuc now over 2500 reports from the public to the counter terrorism internet referral unit. over 500 of those require more investigation to understand whether there's been a hate crime or a terrorism act offence committed . committed. >> the festive period not only has added symbolism in the twisted logic of terrorists, it is also a time when people are much more likely to gather in larger crowds attending special events or christmas shopping .

events or christmas shopping. alone wolf attacks or those of lower sophistication can be just as deadly and require little in the way of planning . the way of planning. >> well, sadly, it may only be a matter of time before we have a terrorist incident within the uk. we've seen them across europe and of course, with the tensions in the middle east. that's something that really could cause problems within the uk as well. people are getting radicalised, there's no doubt about police have been about that. the police have been informed that people are becoming radicalised. they don't need order to get need training in order to get into a car use a knife. so into a car or use a knife. so it's a real concern policing it's a real concern for policing across the uk. >> the police and security services closely monitoring services are closely monitoring known extremists , but whether known extremists, but whether they're known or unknown, the longer the war in gaza rumbles on the greater the risk that the radicalise turn to violence . radicalise turn to violence. mark white gb news well, radicalise turn to violence. mark white gb news well , the man mark white gb news well, the man behind that report, our very own home and security editor mark

white, joins us now for more. >> and mark, it struck me the numbers in that report, 700% increase in reports to the terror hotline. what was it.7 500 reports that needed extra follow up work that could well be terror related . and clearly , we terror related. and clearly, we should feel like something we should feel like something we should be we should remain vigilant . vigilant. >> yes. i mean, the police are accentuating the positive in terms of the fact that clearly the public are engaging with them and contacting the anti—terror hotline. but but the flip side of that is that the pubuc flip side of that is that the public are clearly very concerned and about potential individuals who they believe might be in in a position or willing to enact their extremist views in a violent way. we saw just today in jerusalem a terrorist attack when i was over there reporting there were two terrorist attacks just in the

space of a couple of weeks. we've had two terrorist attacks. one in france, one in belgium, in recent weeks as well. those countries have both raised their terror threat levels. the threat level here has not been raised as yet. it's still a substantial meaning that a terror attack is likely. and that would really be down to the joint terrorism analysis centre. jtc to determine whether that threat environment has shifted far enough to then even warrant that threat level here being increased as well. no sign of it happening as yet, but clearly see some real concerns about the potential for attacks here. and mark, if the threat level, if the terror alert level was raised to the highest, the terror alert level was raised to the highest , that raised to the highest, that i believe that's critical is what they call it. >> what would that mean in terms of policing? what would that mean in terms of our lives? >> yeah, well, it's really

raised two critical than it was in 2017 when we were in the midst of a number of terrorist attacks . and after that horrific attacks. and after that horrific attacks. and after that horrific attack on the ariana ariana grande concert in manchester, it went to critical for a time . went to critical for a time. that means effectively we're right in the midst of terrorist attacks , severe, which is the attacks, severe, which is the second highest level, meaning a terrorist attack is highly likely is a position that was up for a number of years. really all through the period where we had the threat from isis. if it was to be raised, it would likely go one step up from substantial alto likely go one step up from substantial al to severe likely go one step up from substantial alto severe . now, substantial alto severe. now, what that does is it allows those those kind of government bodies, organisations and companies to raise their preparedness level to deal with potential incidents . and it potential incidents. and it also, i think , increases in the also, i think, increases in the mind of people across the country, the public, the need to

be extra vigilant . and be extra vigilant. and regardless of whether the terror threat level has gone up, that's a message that's coming out from counter—terrorism command at the moment because we're in this penod moment because we're in this period in the run up to christmas where many more people are out and about in crowded places, in shopping centres, attending christmas festivities, things have been targeted like this in the past, such as the christmas market in berlin a few years back . so it is an added years back. so it is an added concern for the authorities is in the run up to this festive period. >> well, thank you very much indeed. >> well, thank you very much indeed . mark white, our home and indeed. mark white, our home and security editor there for us now moving on, former health secretary matt hancock is testifying today at the covid inquiry. he played a key role in the uk's response to the pandemic . pandemic. >> of course, yes, he's responded to various witnesses expressing their concern about his own approach, including the country's most senior civil servant. at the time , lord

servant. at the time, lord sedwill, who said he wanted hancock sacked, although it must be said lord sedwill was under a certain amount of criticism himself . if certain amount of criticism himself. if he was the man, of course, who proposed chicken pox parties. but let's speak to gb news presenter pip tomson, who's outside the covid inquiry for us. and pip, what have we learned from matt hancock so far today ? today? >> hello to you both. well, we know, don't we, that former health secretary matt hancock has been painted as somewhat the villain during this pandemic and he's already been at the inquiry in the summer. he's back here today and tomorrow , we think to today and tomorrow, we think to answer some crucial questions and to dispel end his decision making. now one of the questions he was asked about this morning was the planning for the pandemic or the lack of planning in the department of health and social care. and he was very defensive about this and says there wasn't an absence of a plan. there were plans, but they weren't adequate. and then he

was asked about the country's most senior civil servant, lord mark sedwill, saying there was a clear lack of grip in the department of health and social care. and matt hancock replied that there was a lack of empathy in understanding the difficulties of rising to such a big challenge . how did we get big challenge. how did we get everything right ? big challenge. how did we get everything right? he said. of course we didn't. everything right? he said. of course we didn't . right. but he course we didn't. right. but he stressed that from the middle of january 2020, the department of health and social care, matt hancock himself was trying to raise the alarm and wake up whitehall to the scale of the problem . he said that the problem. he said that the problem. he said that the problem should have been grasped and led by the centre of government . earlier we tried to government. earlier we tried to make this happen, he said, and on lots of occasions we were blocked and our concerns were not taken as seriously as they should be until the very end of february 2020. here's a little more of what he had to say. what plan was it that you were referring your cabinet colleagues to deal with the

illness ? illness? >> we had a whole series of plans in a number of questions. you've said there was an absence of a plan that is not true. >> there was a plan . >> there was a plan. >> there was a plan. >> in fact, there was a plan with detail on a whole different series of areas. my critique of the plan is that it was not an adequate plan in doctrine or in level of detail , adequate plan in doctrine or in level of detail, and it's absolutely incumbent on this inquiry to get to the subway sentence of what the future plan should . be should. be >> previous key witnesses during this inquiry have talked about matt hancock's level of overconfidence , nuclear levels overconfidence, nuclear levels of over confidence was what the inquiry has heard so far. of over confidence was what the inquiry has heard so far . and he inquiry has heard so far. and he was asked about this and he said, i can see how my sense of needing to drive the system for method might have had this impact on some people, especially on those more sceptical of the need for government to act . the same government to act. the same people that were accusing me of

over confidence were blocking the action i say was needed . he the action i say was needed. he was also quizzed by lead counsel to the inquiry, hugo keith kc, about the timing of lockdown and he was asked , your evidence so he was asked, your evidence so far has been to the effect that the department of health and social care was a silent voice pushing for more to be done . but pushing for more to be done. but by the 12th of march, the virus was rife. should you have taken this opportunity , matt hancock, this opportunity, matt hancock, to tell colleagues in government and the public that this wall of death is coming ? matt hancock death is coming? matt hancock replied and said , i'm a team replied and said, i'm a team player and the government position was not yet . and we do position was not yet. and we do know, don't we, that the legal lockdown happened on march the 23rd, 2020. matt hancock said he told the prime minister that lockdown should take place . on lockdown should take place. on march the 13th. and in the last few minutes there's been a lot of discussion about asymptomatic transmission that is covid being transmitted without people showing symptoms . matt hancock

showing symptoms. matt hancock said that his single greatest regret with hindsight was not pushing on this harder and not overruling the formal scientific advice he was receiving . there advice he was receiving. there was also a moment where he took a p0p was also a moment where he took a pop at dominic cummings. was also a moment where he took a pop at dominic cummings . we a pop at dominic cummings. we know the level of dominic cummings vitriol towards matt hancock . he took a pop at him hancock. he took a pop at him and said that cummings's evidence was not accurate as much of that particular witness evidence is not accurate. so a lot has happened so far today. evidence is not accurate. so a lot has happened so far today . a lot has happened so far today. a lot has happened so far today. a lot more to come this afternoon and tomorrow from matt hancock . and tomorrow from matt hancock. and we do know now that former prime minister boris johnson will be giving evidence to the inquiry wednesday and thursday next week before the inquiry started this morning, next week before the inquiry started this morning , there were started this morning, there were a number of bereaved relatives waiting outside . i spoke to waiting outside. i spoke to laurel king. she lost her 72 year old husband. he was in a care home. he died with covid very early on. this is what she had to say to me about why she

is here today , what i've wanted is here today, what i've wanted to hear from all the witnesses, which is the truth about what happened , the decisions that happened, the decisions that were made at. and in order that were made at. and in order that we can learn from it primarily, but also for accountability, i think they have to acknowledge the mistakes that were made . the mistakes that were made. >> my husband died in the first wave. he died very early in the pandemic. and what i find especially heartbreaking from the testimony of the past couple of is that lessons weren't of weeks is that lessons weren't learned from that first wave. for the second wave. and i now have in this amazing have friends in this amazing group loved ones group of people whose loved ones died in the second wave because they didn't learn the lessons from my husband's death. we >> well, pip, thank you very much for bringing us all of that. we'll be back with you later in the programme as we learn more from matt hancock's testimony. >> we'll be digging into >> yes, we'll be digging into what has been said. mention what else has been said. mention of care homes. what else has been said. mention of care homes . we'll see. coming of care homes. we'll see. coming up, should people from difficult or deprived backgrounds have reduced prison sentences ? liz reduced prison sentences? liz we'll be discussing this

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thursdays from six till 930 . thursdays from six till 930. >> now this is an interesting one.the >> now this is an interesting one. the sentencing council is inviting consultation on reducing prison time due to difficult or deprived backgrounds . so essentially, if backgrounds. so essentially, if you're a criminal and you come from a poor background or a difficult background, you may

get a softer sentence. this is an attempt to make the justice system more equal, apparently. well all in counter to that , an well all in counter to that, an influential group of tories from a leading pressure group has told the sentencing council that including poverty as one of these mitigating factors in jail terms is extremely patronising thing. >> well, joining us for more on this is gb news reporter charlie peters and charlie, can you just set out the two different sides here? what is the sentencing council actually saying and what's out? what's the report out? >> well, the sentencing council is carrying out this consultation action of the consequence of a university of hertfordshire analysis that they asked them to do, which was to look into the equality and diversity effects of sentencing and assessing whether or not certain demographics were being affected in the sentencing outcomes and why that was happening. and so the university of hertfordshire had a look at some of the potential mitigating

factors that could affect that so that the council could , if so that the council could, if possible, reduce what it would describe as an issue in diversity of outcome. but one of those sentencing guideline factors being assessed in this consultation, which ends today, is the is the view that people coming from deprived backgrounds or having low educational attainment aren't could be included in their sentencing . included in their sentencing. those factors could reduce any sentence that they have now . the sentence that they have now. the blue collar group have hit back at this today saying that the consultation shouldn't be considering this issue , considering this issue, describing it as extremely patronising and also reflecting on the fact that most victims of crimes come from britain's poorest communities as well. so focusing on the offenders and not the victims is potentially be unfair by contrast, though, those from the centre of

criminal justice richard garside, its director yesterday told me that this is just a consultation action and all views should be heard . and he views should be heard. and he was actually grateful that the blue collar group had got in touch with their views as well. >> very interesting indeed. >> mm very interesting indeed. >> mm very interesting indeed. >> thank you for running us through that charlie peters exclusive there. so joining us now philip davies , mp who is now is philip davies, mp who is a member blue collar a member of this blue collar conservatives group that has has taken issue with this from the sentencing council . philip, sentencing council. philip, can you don't think you outline why you don't think it's a good idea that criminals get softer sentences based on their background ? their background? >> well, emily, i was always brought up to believe that everyone was equal before the law and that hasn't always been the case. >> men get much tougher sentences than women, for example, but that's something i'm also not happy about. but this is a this is a further step, way too far in my view. it would give softer sentences to people who have experienced discrimination, have negative experiences of authority , have experiences of authority, have experiences of authority, have experience of being looked

after, child either been in care. they've been brought up in poverty or have low educational attainment and this is hugely patronising to many law abiding, decent working class people. and to say in effect that it's an excuse to be to have low educational attainment or to be in poverty, and that's an excuse for committing crime is completely and utterly unacceptable and sends out a terrible message . and we can't terrible message. and we can't let this stand. >> what i suppose the sentencing council might say is that they commissioned the boffins at the university of hertfordshire to come up with this work. there's clearly some academic rigour behind this and perhaps they looked at the link between some of these so—called mitigating factors, between those who perhaps come from a more poor background or have lower educational attainment and that link between that and some of these offences , do you not think these offences, do you not think that it's right to take that into account ?

into account? >> well, if there's a link between, for example, low educational attainment and crime, then the solution is to improve the educational attainment. the solution can't be to then say, well, actually we've now decided you can now go out and commit crime and in effect have a get out of jail card for it. that is that can't be the right solution. it's completely and utterly unacceptable. and that's not even account the even taking into account the fact on earth is a fact that how on earth is a judge a magistrate supposed judge or a magistrate supposed to have known the full background of anybody who comes up and be to up before them and be able to verify they're being told? verify what they're being told? it's complete it's a complete it's a complete it's a complete farce anyway. but in principle, it's outrageous. and if parliament, if parliament had said we want softer sentences for people from a lower educational attainment background or from a poorer background or from a poorer background , that would be one background, that would be one thing that would be bad enough. and i suspect there'd be a huge pubuc and i suspect there'd be a huge public backlash. but for an unaccountable and unelected body like the sentencing council, the great and good of the liberal criminal justice elite to try and sneak it through the back

door my view, a step too far. >> just very quickly, philip, do you think this is about ideology or could there be practical reasons for this in terms of the fact that our prisons are overfull and there aren't enough spaces? so if they can say, oh, this person's come from a depnved this person's come from a deprived background, let's only stick months, stick them in for two months, then kind of takes some of then it kind of takes some of that pressure off. >> well, emily, you may well be right that there may be an element of that, that they're trying to reduce the prison population. but in essence, it's completely population. but in essence, it's complet> philip davies, some >> and yet, philip davies, some of your colleagues have been campaigning prisons campaigning against prisons in their own patches. is there a bit of a problem here of a not in my back yard sense where lots of people say we should have more prisons, but when one's proposed in their local area, they say not here. >> yes, you're right, tom. i agree. and that's unjustifiable. you can't, the one hand say you can't, on the one hand say we need prisons on the we need more prisons and on the other say, but you can't other hand say, but you can't build anywhere me. build one anywhere near me. that's not that's not acceptable. right. acceptable. that's not right.

and people need to pick and so people need to pick a lane trying ride lane and stop trying to ride two horses same yes horses at the same time. yes some consistency would be nice. >> very much indeed. >> thank you very much indeed. philip davies, mp who is a member of the blue collar conservatives clearly conservatives and clearly isn't very with this very impressed with this softening sentences depending softening of sentences depending on your background. i think on your background. and i think he's i think probably he's i think he's probably absolutely . absolutely right. >> he he hit the nail on the >> he hit he hit the nail on the head there when this is sort of an almost bigotry of low expectations saying just because someone from a poorer someone comes from a poorer background, they're more likely someone comes from a poorer bacommit. , they're more likely someone comes from a poorer bacommit. ithey're more likely someone comes from a poorer bacommit. i think; more likely someone comes from a poorer bacommit. i think that's�* likely someone comes from a poorer ba commit. i think that's thezly to commit. i think that's the that's most bigoted thing that's the most bigoted thing that's the most bigoted thing that possibly hear. and that i could possibly hear. and just it's come i mean, just because it's come i mean, my grandparents nothing my grandparents had nothing doesn't that doesn't mean doesn't mean that they crimes. they you know, committed crimes. >> if some posh tory had come and said these of these and said all these all of these poor committed crimes , as poor people committed crimes, as everyone everyone would everyone would, everyone would absolutely minds. absolutely lose their minds. >> be on the >> it would be on the front pages but because pages of papers. but because it comes from some academics at the university hertfordshire, university of hertfordshire, we have know what? i suspect that >> you know what? i suspect that background is already taken into account to account when it comes to sentencing, we'll delve into that. >> i think perhaps ideology is taken into account looking at

some of these environmental vandals that seem to get off with smashing windows and all the rest of it. >> but what you think i want to know what our viewers and know what what our viewers and listeners think. >> think if you come from >> do you think if you come from a background, have a poorer background, have a difficult that difficult background that that should into account difficult background that that shoul it into account difficult background that that shoul it comes into account difficult background that that shoul it comes to nto account difficult background that that shoul it comes to prison:ount when it comes to prison sentences ? let us know. sentences? let us know. >> well, we're going to be discussing more with discussing this and more with our coming up. the brexit our panel coming up. the brexit party, the former brexit party mep and akshata rees—mogg and the editor of labelling the former editor of labelling it peter edwards. but before we get to all of that, here are your afternoon headlines with tatiana . tom thank you and good afternoon. >> this is the latest from the gb newsroom. rmt members have voted overwhelmingly to accept a deal to end their long running dispute over pay conditions. dispute over pay and conditions. it's understood to include a backdated pay rise of 5% for last year and job security guarantees such as no compulsory redundancies until the end of next year. it means that rmt members will no longer be

involved in industrial action until at least the spring of 2024. train drivers represented by the aslef union are still set to . strike matt hancock has told to. strike matt hancock has told the covid inquiry he his single greatest regret was not overruling formal scientific advice he was receiving about asymptomatic transmission . he asymptomatic transmission. he also told the inquiry that government at the time of the pandemic was a toxic culture and lacked empathy. the former health secretary is currently giving evidence on the role of the department health the department of health and social they were the department of health and social to they were the department of health and social to raise they were the department of health and social to raise the they were the department of health and social to raise the alarm vere trying to raise the alarm with whitehall. 2020. whitehall. since january 2020. he's denied the absence of a plan ahead of the pandemic. bofis plan ahead of the pandemic. boris johnson will give evidence next . hamas has claimed next week. hamas has claimed responsibility for the shooting that killed three people in jerusalem. at least eight people were injured in the attack. it happened bus during happened at a bus stop during rush outside the entrance rush hour outside the entrance to capital. police say that to the capital. police say that the two suspected attackers were neutralised on the spot . the

neutralised on the spot. the israeli military says the ceasefire truce with hamas will continue for another day . 16 continue for another day. 16 hostages held in gaza were freed last night. the latest hostage prisoner swap included an american—israeli dual citizen, a dutch dual citizen and three german dual citizens. the israel pfison german dual citizens. the israel prison service says it freed 30 palestinians from israeli jails. under the truth, truth arrangement and musicians . arrangement and musicians. musician and singer shane macgowan, best known as the frontman of the pogues, has died at the age of 65. macgowan led the irish punk band and after elvis costello bet the rock misfit he couldn't. he wrote and sang the christmas classic fairytale of new york. he'd been receiving care in hospital for an infection, but was discharged last week. ahead of his birthday. on christmas day, he died peacefully with his wife by his side. and you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com

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>> the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on . sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news. >> good afternoon, britain . >> good afternoon, britain. well, joining us now to discuss some of the biggest stories of the day is the former brexit party mep and akshata rees—mogg and the former editor of labourlist, peter edwards . now labourlist, peter edwards. now before we dive into the big stories, we were just talking about this new proposal and sentencing guidance from the sentencing council , all that, sentencing council, all that, the background of individual rules should be taken into account and potentially people from poorer backgrounds may have less harsh sentences. if this is all approved. annunziata you're initial response to this right is right and wrong is wrong and everyone should be equal in the

eyes of the law. >> and i think this is just yet another push to give softer sentences and undermine the law and order of this country. >> well, it's interesting you say that, because we've got a lot of emails flooding in to that respect, saying people should right from wrong should know right from wrong regardless of their background. peter, do you think that if you've come from a deprived background , perhaps had family background, perhaps had family trauma , that that should be trauma, that that should be taken account when it comes taken into account when it comes to sentencing? if you're a criminal? >> well, these things already are. the point, are. annunziata made the point, rightly, that whether left or rightly, that whether left or right equal right wing, we're all equal before . so, for example, before the law. so, for example, we're we're we're talking about we're not talking trials, we're we're talking about we're not talking about trials, we're we're talking about we're not talking about convictions. so stealing wrong. and it's stealing is wrong. and it's against but as against the law. but as a criminal reporter at start of my career, many times i sat through mitigation and mitigation is offered. >> whether it's tough upbringing and sometimes it's sexual abuse and sometimes it's sexual abuse and sometimes it's sexual abuse and sometimes we've seen recently, it's particularly around shoplifting, it's extreme poverty as well. >> there is a degree of >> so there is a degree of relative sentencing relative ism in sentencing already. would seem to be already. this would seem to be an of that. already. this would seem to be an but of that. already. this would seem to be an but obviouslyhat. already. this would seem to be an but obviously there's got to >> but obviously there's got to be safeguards back to

be safeguards to come back to this point of total equality before the law. >> and should stress this is >> and we should stress this is just nothing just a consultation and nothing has doubt has been decided. no doubt there'll many more on there'll be many more debates on this subject things go on. this subject as things go on. but subject but there's another subject of live going on, actually live debate going on, actually just down the road, around just down the road, just around the our studio the corner from us. our studio here paddington. and just here is in paddington. and just around corner the covid around the corner is the covid inquiry the former health inquiry where the former health secretary, hancock, secretary, matt hancock, is appearing . and an to matt appearing today. and an to matt hancock's been to some extent painted as the fall guy in his view by a lot of people who've previously appeared, whether they're on the pro—lockdown or anti—lockdown side of things, they mr hancock. they all blame mr hancock. >> everyone is blaming everyone else. as far as i can see that the politicians are blaming the civil servants. the civil servants blaming the servants are blaming the ministers. know, i just ministers. you know, i just don't see the point in this covid inquiry they will be your neighbours for years unless you move studio, they will still be going strong and i don't think we're ever going to get to what we're ever going to get to what we need to know because they're not asking right questions not asking the right questions in the first place. matt hancock

is doing a fantastic job of trying matt hancock. trying to big up matt hancock. he went to the jungle first. that didn't work. now he's gone to inquiry and he gets to a covid inquiry and he gets two days. >> w- e else seems have >> everyone else seems to have had only one day. he's there today tomorrow. peter today and tomorrow. peter edwards going edwards do you think we're going to much light from to see much, much light from this just lot heat? this or just a lot of heat? >> i think we will at the end of it. course, it. i mean, of course, politicians very skilled at politicians are very skilled at putting own point view. putting their own point of view. and we'll see bit of a and we'll see a bit of a defensive exercise from matt hancock. defensive exercise from matt harbut> but i've got several concerns aboandim. >> but i've got several concerns aboand obviously he was a health >> and obviously he was a health secretary, the kind of depths of the crisis where i've got some sympathy ministers is sympathy for all ministers is not everything right not getting everything right all the . this once in a the time. this once in a thousand year crisis, as we were unprepared. you can't get every decision right. so put decision right. so let's put party politics aside. i do accept that. but there were serious mistakes all the criticism of hancock from his colleagues is he wasn't colleagues is that he wasn't transparent truthful . transparent and truthful. clearly, contesting that clearly, he's contesting that today , but he not today, but he was not transparent and truthful with his then thirdly his colleagues. and then thirdly , and i hate to say this, but in the pursuit of money since

leaving office, he has demeaned himself tv shows. >> well , is mill- m point. and >> well, that is a point. and it's yarta. would you far it's yarta. would you go as far as the covid inquiry is a as to say the covid inquiry is a massive waste of taxpayer money? absolutely >> 5 absolutely >> a maximum two >> that there's a maximum two £220 per hour for the lawyers and there are well over 150 of them already. but every witness gets to call their own lawyer and charge their time on the pubuc and charge their time on the public purse . the costs are public purse. the costs are already over 114 million. and we are looking at another five years. i mean , for goodness years. i mean, for goodness sake, this is ridiculous . sake, this is ridiculous. >> i can't imagine where the country will be in five years. >> hard earned money just being andifs >> hard earned money just being and it's not even on this inquiry. >> should we have locked down? and was our response the correct one? it's not doing international comparisons. it's having petty arguments about who made what decision and who swore at who. >> yes, the latest is matt hancock has referred to dominic cummings as a malign actor. so there we go. >> and this is interesting. these were two people who were arguing that we should have locked faster , better

locked down faster, better earlier harder. yet earlier and harder. and yet there disagreements between there are disagreements between these two people perhaps in these two people in perhaps in personal one of the things personal ways. one of the things that was raised today was that matt hancock kept saying there was a plan at the start of the of the whole pandemic. and to be fair to him, there were there was this big international comparison of how prepared countries were in 2019 done by john hopkins, university expert from every continent, and they ranked all of the countries of the world in terms of pandemic preparedness the united preparedness and the united kingdom came top . i suppose this kingdom came top. i suppose this just shows how how fickle experts can sometimes be. >> well, i believe in experts, perhaps unlike michael gove, whether i think he's recanted a bit on that infamous quote. but to go back to preparedness, several servants and david several civil servants and david cameron, who was prime minister in the preparing years , and in the preparing years, and matthew hancock's boss, have all admitted that prepare goodness was not enough. basically and again, there might be mitigations that we were focussed nationally on things like terror threat, which is like the terror threat, which is

kind understandable . but kind of understandable. but where behind others where britain fell behind others is a pandemic exploded, is once a pandemic exploded, really it was on the excess deaths. >> i'm just going to interrupt you here with some breaking news we've the last minute we've heard in the last minute that former chancellor, that the former chancellor, alistair darling, has died . and alistair darling, has died. and this will come as a shock to many people. of course, he was the final chancellor of the new labour years, steering the country through the great recession in 2008. nine and ten. he also played a key role in the better together campaign, keeping the united kingdom together . some fairly shocking together. some fairly shocking news, no doubt, for many people. but peter edwards, your reaction? >> first of all, i'm staggered is a relatively young man. my thoughts with all his family is i'm sure yours will be. but he had a colossal impact on public life. was a kind, decent , life. he was a kind, decent, intelligent man. i believe if memory serves right, was memory serves me right, he was a cabinet minister throughout the entire government, entire new labour government,

which unprecedented which is almost unprecedented for not just longevity, but consistency and competence. but then he'll remembered for then he'll be remembered for those two key points. you alluded the financial crisis alluded to the financial crisis when was almost when there was almost an over a single weekend, a bank bailout. and his book and he said and i read his book and he said he panic, but not he came close to panic, but not quite , which typically quite, which was typically darling under statement darling esque under statement phlegmatic , mature, phlegmatic calm, mature, responsible. and then it's better together campaign. most politicians can't have one legacy. he's got two. what a great man. >> annunziata, how do you come across? >> alastair i never met him, but he is was a highly, highly respected chancellor. the 2008 was an extraordinarily bad time for the country and to think we've just in the last three months lost two of the greatest chancellors we've had. lord lawson, nigel lawson, only just died and now alistair darling, i think these great statesmen are a real loss to our country. >> well, we're speaking to christopher hope, our political editor on that . i'm sure editor on that. i'm sure tributes will be flooding in as we speak. >> absolutely. i believe we can

cross to christopher hope now joining us from westminster. this will have come as an enormous shock , alastair enormous shock, alastair darling. of course not a particularly old man and someone who in very recent history was right at the forefront of british political debate . british political debate. >> that's right. he was just 70 when he died . when he died. >> a complete shock to those in westminster here. >> no one knew. >> no one knew. >> he was wasn't really aware publicly that he was ill or that he was approaching anywhere near the end of his life. so i met him several times back in the day when he , of course, that day when he, of course, ran that better campaign than to better together campaign than to hold the union together. ahead of indyref vote in 2014. and of the indyref vote in 2014. and also, crucially , he was also, crucially, he was a chancellor during the financial crash in the late 2000 and really helped to reassure the markets with with gordon brown at the helm of the country. i think it's a real, real sadness. i think when a death this is announced with almost no notice

and i think he'll be seen as a really a great chancellor. i think who also did a lot for the union. i think those two those two achievements will be his legacy . legacy. >> have we heard anything yet ? i >> have we heard anything yet? i don't i don't suppose so. but have we heard anything yet around circumstances his around the circumstances of his passing ? passing? >> i'm afraid we haven't yet, emily. no, we're waiting to hear more from the family later today. i mean, he did retire from politics in 2015 when he stood down as an mp. he became, of course, as any chancellor would, a member the house of would, a member of the house of lords. i saw him when lords. and i saw him around when i edinburgh for many, i worked in edinburgh for many, many at start of many years back at the start of the century. was a very the century. he was a very unassuming man , a very man. unassuming man, a very kind man. he was just a very a calm , he was just a very a calm, rather a rascal sense of humour. and he was great fun to be around . he was understated. he around. he was understated. he was offered the kind of calmness, i think during that financial crisis back in the late 2000, which the country needed. late 2000, which the country needed . and certainly he was needed. and certainly he was a key figure also during the dunng key figure also during the during the better together

campaign . he'll be much missed campaign. he'll be much missed and a great shock , i think, to and a great shock, i think, to the labour movement . sir keir the labour movement. sir keir starmer is now out in on the way to dubai for the cop 28 summit. we'll be hearing more from him, i'm in the next 24 hours, i'm sure, in the next 24 hours, as well as tributes from other senior tories who who wouldn't have known him when they crossed swords in parliament. >> absolutely. well with swords in parliament. >> christopher. nell with swords in parliament. >> christopher. we're with swords in parliament. >> christopher. we're joined1 us, christopher. we're joined now studio our now in the studio by our economics and business editor liam halligan. of course, a long time journalist. you time financial journalist. you knew alistair darling. well, i did know him well. >> i was in his house in edinburgh quite recently interviewing him for a documentary for another channel, which i which i won't mention. look, alistair darling was a pivotal figure in the new labour movement because he was probably the one really senior person who was very much part of gordon brown's camp, but could also talk to and be taken seriously and reasonably by the blair ites as well. you'll know both of you, your students have politics. even though you were kids at the time, i was a lobby

correspondent during those early new labour years and the battles between the brownites and the blair ites were legion. they were legendary . but were absolutely legendary. but the figure who could the one figure who could effectively move between the two camps and do deals and smooth over the differences between these two huge smouldering egos of blair and brown was alastair darling. and the reason he could do that and the reason he was trusted across the labour movement, he was, because movement, which he was, because of in his early days, he came from quite a prosperous background. he went to the loretto which is a very loretto school, which is a very kind of upper market, well—heeled in scotland. well—heeled school in scotland. he was he was edinburgh south mp again, quite a prosperous place from 1987 until he left to join the lords. so he had but he was steeped in left wing politics. he was he. a self—described trott in these early days , in trott in these early days, in his student days, he was quite radical and he was quite extreme, but he was also pragmatic and practical . and as pragmatic and practical. and as he got into the shadow cabinet and as he came into government,

he was seen just within he was seen not just within politics, but i think across the country as a safe pair of hands. he was an effective he was quite an effective transport and then as transport secretary. and then as chris saying, chris hope was saying, crucially, he was the chancellor dunng crucially, he was the chancellor during the global financial crisis . this where during the global financial crisis. this where i think when whatever part of politics you come from , whichever party you come from, whichever party you vote for, if you're a swing voter, the uk didn't do too badly during the global financial crisis. we really were the place where the world came together to come up with a rescue plan. >> and those g20 meetings convened by the uk where world leaders came to downing street. it was remarkable seeing the newly elected president obama, but also world leaders from all of these significant economies converging on london in those very early days of the crisis to make those key decisions. i think that's partly because gordon brown always had a good eye for a sort of story and drama, and he wanted to put himself at the centre of things. >> but it was also the fact that london is in

london was and arguably is in many definitions, the many under many definitions, the financial capital of the world. certainly the americans were happy that they weren't meeting in new york. a of people in new york. a lot of people blamed the american banking system , the american real estate system, the american real estate bubble for that global financial crisis. but look , during that crisis. but look, during that penod crisis. but look, during that period and i talked to him about it at length and many people have written about it. alistair darling was very much the grown up in the room and that's quite an incredible evolution for somebody who started out at the radical end of labour left wing politics. >> i was going to ask you about that. >> you said he was self proclaimed trot as a youngster, as a youth. how did his ideology evolve ? evolve? >> well, he just came to >> well, i think he just came to understand, like a lot of people in that new labour movement who i was, you know, lucky, lucky as a young journalist to really get to people like robin to know people like robin cook, people like alistair darling, people like alistair darling, people dobson , who people like frank dobson, who was a very avuncular figure on the labour left as it became clear that these people had been out of power for a generation.

they'd been out of power since 1979. the tory stronghold on on british politics six. it was it was very, very tight and under tony blair, they realised, gosh, we've really got a chance of power here. but the new labour movement was made up of people who realised, rightly that british elections are won in the centre and you're not going to win as a radical left wing labour government . and so they labour government. and so they gradually came more into the centre and turned out to be, you know, pretty good at doing centre , even in some senses centre, even in some senses broadly centre right politics and so many parallels that can be drawn to now where the labour party has come back to a place perhaps if not across the whole party, certainly around the shadow cabinet table , that is shadow cabinet table, that is very reminiscent of those early days of pledging to stick to tory spending limits. >> they'll face many of the same challenges. government is challenges. this government is facing if they into power facing if they get into power next time, what will they need to from alistair darling? to learn from alistair darling? well, streeting . well, look at wes streeting. >> a figure there >> you've got a figure there with tremendous voice, you with a tremendous voice, you know, humble, humble .

know, humble, humble. >> i'm afraid we're >> baxter, i'm afraid we're going leave there. going to have to leave it there. we will to a break. but we will be going to a break. but i just want to thank our panel and, course, reiterate and, of course, to reiterate that death that breaking news, the death of alistair look looks alistair darling. look looks like things are heating up . like things are heating up. >> boxed boilers. so sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. it will be a dry day with quite a lot of sunshine around for many of us, but it will feel very cold once again and will also some further and will also see some further sleet and snow falling. there's been some snow through the morning across parts of devon and cornwall . so the result of and cornwall. so the result of this weather front bumping into the cold air. we'll continue to see snow flurries falling see some snow flurries falling to levels. but much of the to lower levels. but much of the snow will only accumulate over the of dartmoor the high ground of dartmoor and bodmin example , bodmin moor, for example, through the day through the rest of the day across northeast, snow across the northeast, snow showers will continue to move inland parts of northeast inland across parts of northeast england and south east scotland. we'll also see some icy stretches across parts of

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>> hancock in the hot seat. matt hancock is accused of nuclear levels of confidence that as he faces scrutiny over what he did and what he failed to do during the pandemic, we'll bring you the pandemic, we'll bring you the latest out. >> travellers turf out as the supreme court rules that councils can ban travellers from private land and will be asking what this means for local residents and communities going forward . forward. >> and of course, we'll be bringing you more on that breaking news in the last few minutes that former chancellor veteran labour politician alistair darling has passed away aged 70. >> yes , we've just had >> yes, we've just had a statement through from the labour party leader, keir starmer , saying that alistair starmer, saying that alistair lived a life devoted to public service . he will be remembered service. he will be remembered as the chancellor whose calm expertise and honesty helped to guide britain through the tumult

of the global financial crisis. >> and he served as chancellor under gordon brown . from two under gordon brown. from two thousand and seven to 2010. and we understand that, according to a statement issued on behalf of his he died after his family, that he died after a short spell in western general hospital under the wonderful care of the cancer team. that's a statement issued on behalf of his family . his family. >> and of course, there will be many, many memories flooding in of alistair darling, not just from his time as chancellor, but also from his time as co—convenor of the better together campaign campaign, the successful campaign that kept the united kingdom together after defeating scottish nationalists by a ten point margin. >> and it was interesting what liam halligan our economics edhon liam halligan our economics editor, told us just before the break about alistair darling, how he began as a trotskyist and moved towards a more pragmatic approach, was able to bring together the brownite and the

blairites, and that was his position and ended up very much a man who could talk to the city, could talk to financial institutions, became a man of moderation . moderation. >> we'll have more on that, of course, after your headlines with tatiana . with tatiana. tom thank you. >> well, as you've just been hearing, the former chancellor and veteran labour politician alistair darling has died at the age of 70. lord darling became a household name when gordon brown appointed him chancellor after taking the keys to number 10 back in two thousand and seven when he ran the treasury throughout the global banking crisis and stayed in the post until mr brown lost the election in 2010. a statement on behalf of his family said he died after a short spell in western general hospital under the wonderful care of the cancer team . the care of the cancer team. the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has said he's deeply saddened to learn passing . musician

learn of the passing. musician and singer shane macgowan. best known as the frontman of the pogues , has died at the age of pogues, has died at the age of 65. macgowan led the irish punk band after elvis costello bet the rock misfit he couldn't. he wrote and sang the christmas classic fairytale of new york. he'd been receiving care in hospital for an infection, but was discharged last week. he died peacefully with his wife by his side . rmt members have voted his side. rmt members have voted overwhelmingly to accept a deal to end their long running dispute over pay and conditions. it's understood to include a backdated pay rise of 5% for last year and job security guarantees such as no compulsory redundancies until the end of next year. it means that rmt members will no longer be involved in industrial action until at least the spring of 2024. train drivers represented by the aslef union are still set to strike. rmt general secretary mick lynch says this campaign shows the sustain a strike action and unity gets results .

action and unity gets results. matt hancock has told the covid inquiry his single greatest regret was not overruling formal scientific advice he was receiving about asymptomatic transmission , when he also told transmission, when he also told the inquiry that government at the inquiry that government at the time of the pandemic was a toxic culture and lacked empathy . the former health secretary is currently giving evidence on the role of the department health currently giving evidence on the role social department health currently giving evidence on the role social care, rtment health currently giving evidence on the role social care, saying health currently giving evidence on the role social care, saying theyealth and social care, saying they were trying raise the alarm were trying to raise the alarm with since the middle with whitehall. since the middle of january 2020. he's denied the absence a plan ahead of absence of a plan ahead of the pandemic weren't pandemic, saying they weren't adequate. there were plans adequate. but there were plans in place. boris johnson will give evidence next week . hamas give evidence next week. hamas has claimed responsibility for the shooting that killed three people in jerusalem . at least people in jerusalem. at least eight others were injured in the attack. it happened at a bus stop during rush hour outside the entrance to the capital. police say the two suspected attackers were neutralised on the spot . the israeli military the spot. the israeli military says the ceasefire truce with hamas will continue for another

day. us secretary of state antony blinken is currently meeting with the israeli prime minister in jerusalem . he says a minister in jerusalem. he says a temporary truce between israel and palestinian and the palestinian militant group hamas had produced results and the united states hoped it would continue negotiating. negotiations are taking place for a further truce extension. 16 hostages held in gaza were freed last night on what was thought to be the final day of a two day extension to the pause in fighting . a terror attack in in fighting. a terror attack in the uk linked to the gaza conflict is likely only a matter of time. security sources have directly told gb news it comes as counter—terror police warn the public to remain extra vigilant in the run up to christmas . scotland yard's head christmas. scotland yard's head of counter—terror policing says there is no specific intelligence of any planned attacks, but calls to the anti—terror hotline have risen 700% since the attack by hamas on israel on october 7th. a

world first online fraud charter is being launched today to tackle online scams . the home tackle online scams. the home secretary will host representatives from several leading tech companies , leading tech companies, including facebook, tiktok , including facebook, tiktok, snapchat and youtube, to sign the pledge to tackle the issue. the charter will introduce a number of measures to better protect users, including verifying new advertisers and removing fraudulent content swiftly and over 800,000 nursing professionals are currently registered to work in the uk . registered to work in the uk. that's a rise of almost 20,000 in the past six months, according to the nursing and midwifery council . an increase midwifery council. an increase in nurses registering in the uk from so—called red list country has raised questions around nhs recruiting practices. speaking this morning, the prime minister says the government's plans are laying the groundwork for winter i >> earlier this year i announced a long term workforce plan for the nhs, the first in its 75 year history, which will ensure that right now we're going to expand the number of training

places for nurses, doctors and all sorts of medical professionals. so that in the future we have staff that we future we have the staff that we need. we settle need. great. that we settle the consultant nurse dispute. need. great. that we settle the consultthisnurse dispute. need. great. that we settle the consultthis week dispute. need. great. that we settle the consultthis week as pute. need. great. that we settle the consultthis week as well. very earlier this week as well. very welcome news and all the resources we're putting into the nhs now can go to giving patients the care that they need and opportunity for me to say thank you to all our fantastic nhs in advance winter. nhs staff in advance of winter. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to and . emily to tom and. emily >> good afternoon, britain. now just to give you the very latest on this developing story, the reaction to the sad death of alistair darling , aged 70. alistair darling, aged 70. labour's shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, has issued this statement. alistair was one of our great public servants who has left an enduring legacy on our country. as chancellor . he

our country. as chancellor. he showed an extraordinary leadership and helped steward our economy during the global financial crisis . i will miss financial crisis. i will miss his advice and his counsel. but more than anything, i will miss his friendship, his kindness , his friendship, his kindness, his friendship, his kindness, his decency, his humour and his warmth. my thoughts are with maggie and their family today as they grieve their loss. the words there of rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor, and jeremy hunt has also posted on his social media account that it is a sad day . is a sad day. >> he wants to pay particular tribute to one of his predecessors, alistair darling, one of the great chancellors. he'll be remembered for doing the thing for the country he'll be remembered for doing th he says that dominic cummings, boris johnson's former chief caused the toxic

chief adviser, caused the toxic culture at the heart of government. >> right. let's speak to gb news presenter pip tomson, who is outside the covid inquiry for us. pip, can you bring us the very latest in people's lives? >> would have been saved? >> would have been saved? >> good afternoon to you both. well, it didn't take that long, did for the subject of did it, for the subject of dominic cummings, boris johnson's former most senior adviser to come up . and matt adviser to come up. and matt hancock was being has been questioned. i'm sorry. there's a lot of noise behind me because there are bereaved relatives speaking this lunchtime while the inquiry takes takes a break. so let me just try and carry on. but hugo keith , the lead counsel but hugo keith, the lead counsel for the inquiry , asked matt for the inquiry, asked matt hancock about these general sweeping allegations that he lied. the former health secretary lied, allegedly during the pandemic, and these allegations came from dominic cummings. dominic cummings, amongst others. and he said , amongst others. and he said, matt hancock, that there is no evidence whatsoever for that. he said there was a great deal of hard work on our side, as in the

department of health and social care, and there was a toxic culture that we had to work with, which seemed to want to find people to blame . and matt find people to blame. and matt hancock very much blamed dominic cummings for creating this toxic culture. he called him a malign actor and said that his influence was deeply frustrating . just take a listen to this . . just take a listen to this. >> and william from mr cummings was not one of the people who against him, it might be, said that he was resisting the inquiry can, if it chooses , get inquiry can, if it chooses, get to the bottom of each of the specific allegations because they are not true. >> and i'm very happy to write with an excellent version of each and every one of them. the impact of the toxic culture that essentially was caused by the chief adviser , but that clearly chief adviser, but that clearly you can now i can now see not that i knew at the time. others

were were brought into that was unhelpful to me. >> lucy from the west midlands, we know that doing away with covid government well really fascinating to hear what he is saying there because of course many people might think that dominic cummings and matt hancock are on the same side of these arguments . these arguments. >> but clearly there is some bitter resentment between these two individuals. >> interestingly , it seems that >> interestingly, it seems that matt hancock has had to well, he's had to say i am not a liar. he's had to deny being a liar to the kc there at the covid inquiry some people may have different opinions on matt hancock, very much a controversial character throughout the pandemic. controversial character throughout the pandemic . and of throughout the pandemic. and of course, with hindsight as well , course, with hindsight as well, there's particular consternation over whether or not matt hancock had advised boris johnson to deliver a lockdown on the 14th of march. >> that is content asserted by

others and this led to this, perhaps a little bit testy exchange . but of course, that's exchange. but of course, that's not the only issue in the whole of this discussion, not just when an lockdown was advised to go in or indeed when it was sort of conjured up as an idea in and of conjured up as an idea in and of itself. there were more issues, of course. and one of those most particular at the forefront of people's minds is, of course, the care home crisis particularly in that first wave. yes >> matt hancock's role in that. he was he was criticised very much around his policy of care homes , protecting care homes, homes, protecting care homes, joining us now is the owner of crabtree care homes, david crabtree care homes, david crabtree . david, thank you very crabtree. david, thank you very much for joining crabtree. david, thank you very much forjoining us. i understand what what would you like to ask matt hancock if you were there at the inquiry and you had his ear ? you had his ear? >> i'd like to start by giving

my condolence to mr dowling's family , who epitomised that of a family, who epitomised that of a great minister as opposed to mr hancock , who i would directly hancock, who i would directly ask him , where was this ring of ask him, where was this ring of protection if he were not lying ? protection if he were not lying? >> where was the ring of protection that you said to the house? was in place to not only to protect the elderly in care homes, but every member of social care staff was put at risk with no ppe, and they knew that. >> and we were sending people into care homes untested . into care homes untested. >> and on the 28th of march, he issued a directive to say that you did not need to test asymptomatic . and yet in this asymptomatic. and yet in this morning's inquiry in italy, we were assured that it was happening in february . happening in february. >> it's interesting . we were >> it's interesting. we were expecting to get to this section of the inquiry after lunch and we will no doubt hear some of these questions. no doubt. matt hancock has previously been

challenged , ed, over whether or challenged, ed, over whether or not he followed the advice of chris whitty and other advisers over care. home dismissed dials or rather hospital dismissals in into care homes. he's contested amid those reports in the past. what's your understanding of that disagreement ? that disagreement? >> it comes back to being a minister. and he actually said this morning he was the minister for the people and the scientific evidence was there or it was doubtful or it was dubious or this as a minister, his duty was to protect the people of the country and he failed miserably. >> a deluded man will always believe his truth and it would believe his truth and it would be no amount of questioning will change. >> mr hancock's delusional state of what he believed was right there are four people, apparently, who have said that he lied to them in in the in downing street.

>> so i cannot believe him. and i certainly would ask him for his evidence of where the ring of protection was for care home, and more importantly , for social and more importantly, for social care staff . care staff. >> do you have any sympathy, david, with the argument that the pandemic was once in a generation many decision had to be made with the circumstance faces ever changing quickly and that now, with hindsight that we can see perhaps where decisions were made wrongly. but do you have any sympathy with the idea that the government was working under extremely difficult situations, circumstances us none whatsoever . none whatsoever. >> typhoid mary, 1800s. we know what we do in hospitals and care homes when we have outbreaks of flu, we prevent people from coming in. all the hotels were closed. why we didn't use those as a fire breaker. it was just common sense . i have no idea. common sense. i have no idea. the incompetence is just beyond

understand landing, to be honest. and yet this was a novel pandemic, a virus no one had ever seen before came out of the blue from wuhan, china, although , of course, the covid inquiry is not allowed to talk about where on earth this virus came from. >> and whether or not it was manmade. but clearly this was something that governments hadnt something that governments hadn't handled before . they hadn't handled before. they didn't know if it could be transmitted asymptomatically or symptomatic . that was a big symptomatic. that was a big disagreement and discussion on at the start of things . do you at the start of things. do you ever have any sympathy with the sort of barrage of conflict fighting advice that these politicians were receiving ? politicians were receiving? >> no, because yesterday was evident from emails between the pantomime dames that the elderly were collateral if we must send them to care homes, we must. now, you may well say, well, people who are elderly were, you know , potential collateral , but know, potential collateral, but not the 22 year old mother of a

child that then has to go home from social care work with no ppe back to her own family. there was no consideration for the out spread of the disease, regardless of whether they were symptomatic or not. we admitted to patients we were forced to readmit two patients back into our care. 28th of march, and we within ten days we had nine deaths. >> well, thank you, david. thank you very much for your time. david crabtree there, owner of crabtree care homes. as we said before, we're expecting the inquiry to touch upon care homes, to mention care homes after the lunch break. so we'll bnng after the lunch break. so we'll bring you the latest from that. >> and absolutely shocking there. the number of deaths from care homes at the start of the pandemic, although suppose we pandemic, although i suppose we must that by the end of must remember that by the end of the the was pretty the pandemic, the uk was pretty much the middle of the pack, much in the middle of the pack, whereas these news whereas all of these news reports start said that reports at the start said that we the worst by the end we were the worst at by the end of we ended up muddling

of it we ended up muddling through somewhere middle . through somewhere in the middle. but a terror attack but moving on, a terror attack in the uk linked to the conflict in the uk linked to the conflict in gaza is likely only a matter of time. that's what security sources have told gb news. >> yes, it comes as counter—terror terror. police warn the public to remain extra vigilant in the run up to christmas. >> scotland yard's head of counter—terror policing says there's no specific intelligence of planned attacks, but calls to the anti—terror hotline have risen 700% since the conflict in the middle east began after the 7th of october. >> right. well joining us now is former met police detective chief superintendent kevin hurley. kevin, thank you for your time. if there is this increased threat, why has the terror alert level not risen ? terror alert level not risen? >> well, i don't think they're saying there's an increased threat. >> what they're doing is surmising and not unreasonably , surmising and not unreasonably, that in the light of what's been going on in in gaza , that there going on in in gaza, that there will be people who are

susceptible to being influenced and doing something atrocious. in britain , because most of the in britain, because most of the terror attacks we get in the uk are frankly from deranged , are frankly from deranged, stupid young men who, for one reason or another are influenced to do some of the terrible things that they do. and i think in the context of the emotion that's flying around at the moment, it's not unreasonable to think that someone could be getting fed extremist propaganda and could carry out some kind of attack against us. and of course, the reason why christmas is important, as we see there, there are many christmas fairs up and down the country where there are large numbers of crowds where this has occurred, certainly before in germany , certainly before in germany, there have been attacks on things christmas market. things like christmas market. we're moment . things like christmas market. we're moment. so we're seeing at the moment. so it's unreasonable to surmise it's not unreasonable to surmise something like that will happen. and i suspect what we will see at at some of the christmas markets up and down the country,

the winchester one's quite well known and so on is we will see visible armed police patrols . visible armed police patrols. but my own view would be steady . but my own view would be steady. the buffs really , we live in a the buffs really, we live in a world now where global politics affects the minds. frankly of some foolish young men who may be susceptible to going out and doing something dreadful. as we've seen several times before in the uk, on london bridge in borough market and so on, quite recently, and indeed the case in stretham where where the chap there went just literally went into a shop, grabbed a carving knife and started to run amok before and armed surveillance team shot him dead . team shot him dead. >> it's concern turning to remember back to what happened in berlin with those christmas markets because of course, that was simply terrorists with very non sophisticated means as ramming vehicles into people.

lone wolves , perhaps how lone wolves, perhaps how possible is it to track these sort of attacks when they're not particularly sophisticated , particularly sophisticated, they're not using grand networks of terror cells ? us very often of terror cells? us very often these are lone wolves with unsophisticated means of terror. you're absolutely right. >> and if you remember, we've had a couple of vehicle ramming attacks, one on westminster bridge, the result of which a couple of members of the public and a police officer were killed. we had killed. and of course, we had the attacks on london the ramming attacks on london bridge . really our our the ramming attacks on london bridge. really our our main safeguard on this are the families and parents of people who may be seeing their young male sons starting to spout extremist commentary and perhaps thinking , i extremist commentary and perhaps thinking, i need to get some help from the authorities here and refer them to the government scheme called protect so that at least people can talk with them, look at them. of course, this is very difficult for parents to

give up their own sons, but that's our main route because the idea of having , you know, the idea of having, you know, sophisticated , dedicated attack sophisticated, dedicated attack is unlikely . we you know, it's is unlikely. we you know, it's more likely to be people with carving knives like we've seen a number of times or driving. >> kevin, kevin , we're going to >> kevin, kevin, we're going to have to leave it there because your line is a little bit dodgy. but thank much for your but thank you very much for your time. police detective time. former police detective chief kevin chief superintendent kevin hurley there. this is one of the things kevin said . these are things kevin said. these are foolish stupid men. and foolish and stupid men. and undoubtedly, yes , but undoubtedly, yes, but unfortunately, quite a lot of these extremists and who become radicalised and go to on commit terror can be extremely highly educated people. yes. >> and perhaps that's why they justify their own twisted and warped ideology , frankly, warped ideology, frankly, religious ideology to themselves. well, we'll get to more discussion on today's show , more discussion on today's show, so not least coming up, as the supreme court rules councils can ban travellers from their land . ban travellers from their land. and we'll be asking what

repercussions could this ensue ? repercussions could this ensue? we'll be discussing that on. good afternoon , britain on

mornings from 930 on. >> gb news . >> gb news. >> gb news. >> well, the supreme court has ruled that councils can ban travellers from their land following legal battles to prevent them from settling on pubuc prevent them from settling on public land such as fields, parks and road verges. yes, in

the past , parks and road verges. yes, in the past, councils have used injunctions to dissipate travellers preventing them from moving on from different sites in the same area. >> but now they may well be able to use more muscle. lo use more muscle. >> to use more muscle. >> well, the travelling community generally reside in rural areas , which can cause rural areas, which can cause issues for private land owners. >> joining us now is >> so joining us now is a farmer, william sawbridge , to farmer, william sawbridge, to tell us about his own experience. and william, i understand you had some problems with travellers in the past with thefts and indeed with people rocking up on your property . rocking up on your property. >> well, that's absolutely right. yes we have had endless problems and it probably started about 35, 40 years ago and we had thefts of quad bikes of gaiters, of land rovers and diggers as diesel theft . and it diggers as diesel theft. and it actually it got we were being

sort of illegally hair coursed once or twice a week, always in the wintertime. um i must say the wintertime. um i must say the travelling community do understand the wildlife and they are aware that when there are leverets in the field , um, they leverets in the field, um, they don't, they don't show. but at the time it was just frustrating. um we had, i had endless meetings with thames valley police and northants police because there was no there was no liaison across, across the county borders. and it sort of the whole thing sort of spiralled and spiral and spiralled and we had a nasty incident about 25 years ago. um which was how can i put it, it got very it got very heated . the got very it got very heated. the police were involved . i was told police were involved. i was told if you get any problems with travellers, it's got to be a 999 incident incident response because hare coursing was becoming was getting out of out of control in the whole of the

country . and i know if you go country. and i know if you go further east it's pretty pretty prolific and it still goes on. but my remedy was i did sort of come to the conclusion that, you know, best off dealing, dealing with the guys. and i had a knock on the door. they knocked on my front door and said that they were to come out and they were going to come out and they were going to come out and they were going to they were going to go coursing. said, go hare coursing. and i said, well, don't think so. and they well, i don't think so. and they said, it's in their to said, it's in their nature to chase said, well, as a chase hares. i said, well, as a farmer to make farmer it's in my nature to make sure so we had a bit sure you don't. so we had a bit of a laugh and a joke and we came to a conclusion and the guy whom i had . a i suppose a pig whom i had. a i suppose a pig deal whom i had. a i suppose a pig deal, a deal, um, he was , he's deal, a deal, um, he was, he's become, he's become a good friend of mine now. um, and i understand, you have to understand, you have to understand . and they're what understand. and they're what they, what they want to do . and, they, what they want to do. and, and i fought it for 25 years. and you actually, if you embrace it and try and form a conclusion, um , you can have

conclusion, um, you can have a remedy . remedy. >> william i find it hard to believe. so you went from. i mean, that's lovely that you came to a resolution but went from having quite important and expensive items stolen from your land. you said land rovers. diggers and so on, and you've just accepted that they'll live on, on your on your land . on, on your on your land. >> well, when you scenario that that i had with my brother, we had a quad bike that was that was stolen and it had got a tracker on it and it was activating on a site. um and the police , um, didn't go and police, um, didn't go and retrieve it. um and my brother stands about six foot five. so i started about six foot three and it's sort of we've got , we've it's sort of we've got, we've got to go and deal with this, you our, our quad you know, our, our, our quad bike is there and they took our, they loaded a trailer up. they took all manner of stuff in the trailer and, and so you have to move forward, you know , it's the

move forward, you know, it's the frustration of the of the police not actually doing anything about it sort of got us into that into that scenario. and i didn't like to do it. but you have to make a stand. >> um, it's so difficult because i thought we lived in a country based on property rights , based based on property rights, based on if you own something, you can't just go and take something that belongs to someone else, no matter what your culture is, no matter what your culture is, no matter if you think it's tradition to be allowed to steal things. i don't quite why things. i don't quite know why we sort of indulge it to the extent that we do . extent that we do. >> ah, i think we've lost william or he's frozen. at least . ah, i wanted to hear the answer of rural broadband in this country. this is a massive issue. >> is it's a huge issue. yeah. we really do need to sort it out. >> we really do need to sort it out. but this is the question. we have property rights, in which case it's why should anyone be allowed to reside?

>> i find it completely baffling and please , i would be really and please, i would be really interested to talk to someone, perhaps who comes from this culture or who argues in favour of it. it's almost like a parallel system of justice of non rules based justice, living in a country which i thought had sort of developed it law and order and systems of redress for hundreds of years. >> well, what i understood from what william was, was saying there was that he had contacted there was that he had contacted the police for many, many years. none of these things were sorted out. so he had to befriend them. yeah which maybe is a nice story. i don't know. have you had experiences? those of you at home watching, who've had experiences of travellers? >> up cambridgeshire >> i grew up in cambridgeshire and car was nicked, and my family car was nicked, burnt out. oh dear. but well, perhaps you're biased then. i don't know. maybe i'm biased against stealing. i don't know. but lots more coming up for you this afternoon. in just a minute, we're going to hear the thoughts of our wonderful panel on that britain's

on the stories that britain's talking about, including, of course, sad news in the course, this sad news in the last that the former last hour that the former chancellor labour politician chancellor and labour politician alistair darling, has sadly died at the age of 70. that's after your headlines with tatiana . your headlines with tatiana. >> tom, thank you . 133 this is >> tom, thank you. 133 this is the latest former chancellor and veteran labour politician alistair darling has died at the age of 70. lord darling became a household name when gordon brown appointed him chancellor after taking the keys to number 10 back in two thousand and seven, he ran the treasury throughout the global banking crisis and stayed in the post until mr brown lost the election in 2010. well, mr brown has paid tribute saying alistair will be remembered as a statesman of unimpeachable integrity whose life was defined by a strong sense of social justice. a statement on behalf on behalf of him by his family said he died after a short spell in western general hospital under the wonderful care of the cancer

team . musician and singer shane team. musician and singer shane macgowan , best known as the macgowan, best known as the frontman of the pogues, has died at the age of 65. rock legend elvis costello. bette, the leader of the irish punk band. he couldn't write a christmas hit, but the rock misfit proved him wrong with the classic fairytale of new york. he'd been receiving care in hospital for an infection, but was discharged last week. he died peacefully with his wife by his side . rmt with his wife by his side. rmt members have voted overwhelmingly to accept a deal to end their long running dispute over pay and conditions is understood to include a backdated pay rise of 5% for last year and job security guarantees such as no compulsory redundancies until the end of next year. it means that rmt members will no longer be involved in industrial action until at least the spring of 2024. train drivers represent by the aslef union are still set to strike, matt hancock told some of the inquiry that his single

greatest regret was not overruling formal scientific advice he was receiving about asymptomatic transmission. he also told the inquiry that government at the time of the pandemic was a toxic culture and lacked empathy. the former health secretary is currently giving evidence on the role of the department of health and social saying they were social care, saying they were trying the alarm with trying to raise the alarm with whitehall january 2020. he's whitehall in january 2020. he's denied the absence of a plan ahead of the pandemic , saying ahead of the pandemic, saying they adequate. there they weren't adequate. but there were plans place. former were plans in place. former prime minister boris johnson gives evidence week . and gives evidence next week. and the israeli military says the ceasefire truce with hamas will continue for another day . us continue for another day. us secretary of state antony blinken is currently meeting with the israeli prime minister in jerusalem . he says the in jerusalem. he says the temporary truce between israel and hamas had produced results and hamas had produced results and the united states hopes it will continue to. 16 hostages held in gaza were freed last night on what was thought to be the final day of a two day extension. to the pause in

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isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930 . six till 930. >> well , joining us now to >> well, joining us now to discuss some of today's big top stories is contributor editor at novara media, michael walker , novara media, michael walker, and we have former editor of labourlist peter edwards with us shall we start with the news that we've just heard in the last half hour or so? the passing of alistair darling ? passing of alistair darling? >> it's a great shock young man, only about 70 or so could have lived a longer life. we would have hoped, but we were just chatting really about his huge impact at the time, the global financial and you financial crisis and the you know, read book and gordon

know, i read his book and gordon brown that my brown to phrase that stuck in my mind was cash machines, atms being from potentially being 24 hours from potentially not producing any cash. and imagine would have imagine what that would have happened, would have happened, what that would have led british that led to on british streets. that would if rbs and would have been if rbs and lloyds failed. so they made lloyds had failed. so they made gordon and alistair gordon brown and alistair darling they their and darling. they had their ups and downs. worked incredibly downs. they worked incredibly closely bank takeover, closely to do the bank takeover, in effect, over one weekend. and his memory serves me right. rbs is balance sheet was bigger than that of the united kingdom. that's how big it was. it's an extraordinary time to think back upon has influence . upon and probably has influence. >> most everything the last >> most everything of the last 13, 14, 15 years that we've seen in british politics. but it was interesting that initially the conservative party opposed those bank bailouts. and within a couple of days they were on the same page as the labour party saying that this was the right thing to do to nationalise all these michael walker, these banks. michael walker, interestingly, time, the interestingly, at that time, the occupy movement sprung up the tents that we saw in front of

saint paul's and to some extent you had some strange bedfellows from the libertarian right and the hard socialist left that were saying, should we be bailing out these banks? >> yeah, well, i mean, i think given the stories about, you know, cash machines being about to run out of money, a bailout was necessary. >> and i think the disagreement between people know, between people who, you know, might have been critical of might have been more critical of the bailout, but still, you know, planet earth was that know, on planet earth was that it should have come more it should have come with more strings attached. so it's to say, we're going to bail say, if we're going to bail you out, completely out, we want to completely change financial so change the financial system so that this again. that you can't do this again. some will that some people will argue that they did attach strings. i mean, did attach some strings. i mean, it's alistair it's interesting with alistair darling, one way it's interesting with alistair darlcan one way it's interesting with alistair darlcan sort one way it's interesting with alistair darlcan sort of one way it's interesting with alistair darlcan sort of assess one way you can sort of assess politicians is what they do after the job. and when it came to even someone to new labour, even someone for me the left in me who sort of to the left in politics, when you're sort of assessing characters, some assessing the characters, some of clearly, i of them were very clearly, i think, know, became think, you know, became megalomaniacs for megalomaniacs and were in it for themselves. tony blair became a multi—millionaire afterwards, geoff of geoff hoon, and was sort of speaking there was a sting speaking to or there was a sting where he was saying, basically, i make as much money as i want to make as much money as possible. you've got possible. and then you've got gordon the alistair gordon brown's or the alistair darlings who, whether or not you

agree their particular agree with their particular policies, did seem in it policies, did seem to be in it for good you know, they for good reasons. you know, they did people did did seem to be people who did want people's lives want to make people's lives better weren't it better and weren't in it for themselves. >> mcdonnell has >> yes, john mcdonnell has written former shadow chancellor, former shadow chancellor, former shadow chancellor of course, with jeremy corbyn. he said, so sorry to hear that, alistair darling has we may have times has died. we may have at times differed strategy , differed on economic strategy, but he was always generous of spirit and i adjoined his quick wit even in the most challenging of times. what would you say were the key differences on economic strategy ? economic strategy? >> michael well, i suppose the key so potentially it would key one, so potentially it would have been sort what they went have been sort of what they went into the election saying . into the 2010 election saying. so i imagine john mcdonnell would been on the side. i'm would have been on the side. i'm saying whereby you have saying whereby if you have a bailout, to have some bailout, you need to have some serious strings on the financial sector, than gordon sector, tougher ones than gordon brown darling were brown or alistair darling were willing of forward. willing to sort of put forward. and their approach and then it was their approach to public sector cuts. so i think alistair darling go think alistair darling did go into 2010 election saying think alistair darling did go into would election saying think alistair darling did go into would cut:tion saying think alistair darling did go into would cut they saying think alistair darling did go into would cut the public| labour would cut the public sector. mcdonnell would sector. john mcdonnell would have been very much on the side to say this has nothing to do

with this about to say this has nothing to do withanks this about to say this has nothing to do withanks going this about to say this has nothing to do withanks going wild.is about to say this has nothing to do withanks going wild. thereforet the banks going wild. therefore we spend more money. we we should spend more money. we should defend the public sector. it's interesting, alistair darling would say it was it was necessary electorally to do that. he was that. i'm not saying he was coming any. coming from any. >> there are some really interesting parallels between now some now and then. of course, some people that the autumn people argue that the autumn statement we've just seen from the has fantasy the chancellor has some fantasy numbers in it about extent numbers in it about the extent to which departments will be cut in future years in order meet in future years in order to meet these obr guidelines. but but to these obr guidelines. but but to the same extent that final budget of alistair darling did the same thing, which said that there were going to be these huge cuts in the years to come, although of them although none of them fell before i suppose before the election. i suppose that's the way of that's always the way of politics there some politics and there are some parallels that perhaps be parallels that perhaps could be drawn. edwards between now drawn. peter edwards between now and 13 years labour and then, 13 years of labour government, 13 of government, 13 years of conservative government at a conservative led government at a global crisis that the government blamed for the global crisis. >> let me come in. it's a global crisis. and i was a financial journalist and so two thousand and seven eight, a global crisis, huge debt , and seven eight, a global crisis, huge debt, an

and seven eight, a global crisis, huge debt , an increase crisis, huge debt, an increase in deficit cuts would in the deficit cuts would follow, but a general election sandwiched in the middle of that because it often takes 5 to 10 years to the deficit . and years to unwind the deficit. and you're we've got you're right, now we've got something we've you're right, now we've got som a hing we've you're right, now we've got som a global we've you're right, now we've got som a global medical we've you're right, now we've got som a global medical and ale've had a global medical and financial followed financial crisis that followed because and got because of covid and we've got a general know coming general election we know coming within months, probably within 12 months, probably maximum. then of course, for maximum. but then of course, for people seen the small people who've seen the small print autumn statement , print of the autumn statement, jeremy had some giveaways. jeremy hunt had some giveaways. but like significant but it looks like a significant penod but it looks like a significant period spending cuts coming period of spending cuts coming after general election after the general election regardless wins. but of regardless of who wins. but of course labour and tories will battle about how they navigate that they offset it by that and how they offset it by growing the economy. so there are parallels. the one are parallels. and the other one of is in 2008, of course, is that in 2008, nine, when what turned out nine, ten when what turned out to final years of the to be the final years of the labour government, they had a kind internal debate kind of big internal debate about our cuts about should it be our cuts versus cuts ? because as versus their cuts? because as you said, alistair you rightly said, alistair darling and gordon brown showed a willingness to make some cuts and reduce the deficit . but it's and reduce the deficit. but it's just george osborne did it after getting elected a lot quicker for a lot more aggressively. and we would say perhaps targeted in

the wrong areas as well. >> yes, it's interesting you say that ongoing debate, that that is an ongoing debate, whether cuts were made in the right of right places. yes. and of course, were needed course, whether they were needed to on? because to should we move on? because we've a gb news exclusive we've got a gb news exclusive today from mark white, our home and editor . and security editor. essentially, sources essentially, security sources have told him that it is only a matter of time before we see a terror attack on the streets of this country linked to what's going on in the middle east with this most recent conflict. michael, are you concerned that due to the conflict ongoing in the middle east, that people in this country will be radicalised ? well i think there are lots of people who are being radicalised against the government because they see the government as essentially supporting a government in israel , which essentially supporting a government in israel, which is carrying out what seems like a fairly indiscriminate targeting of lots of civilians in gaza. >> so gaza city has been destroyed, lots of people have died. whether that died. now whether or not that will to the kind of will lead to the kind of radicalisation would lead radicalisation that would lead someone to a terrorist,

someone to become a terrorist, i'm sure about that's i'm much less sure about that's not really my area of expertise and i assume that much of this exclusive comes from and what would confidential would be confidential information. of information. so it's sort of difficult the difficult to say whether the controversies that's dangerous in and of itself. >> if people in this country , we >> if people in this country, we are so mobilised by what they see as our government's wrong response to what's occurring, that they could potentially adopt out extremist narratives as a result? well, i suppose the problem is that we don't let an extreme reaction delegitimize what i think is a very healthy reaction . reaction. >> so i think if you've got a population who are looking at a government who they see as doing something immoral out something immoral and going out and protesting, something immoral and going out and something'otesting, something immoral and going out and something'otebe ng, that's something to be applauded. the police have applauded. if the police have suspicions there is the suspicions that there is the kind radicalisation that kind of radicalisation that could terrorism, could lead to terrorism, obviously a massive obviously that's a massive concern. obviously that's a massive concewith. but the thing dealt with. but the thing i would sort of object to or warn against would be to say , oh my against would be to say, oh my god, we have a politicised public. that's a problem. >> it's interesting , peter >> it's interesting, peter edwards, when we saw the height of isis in around 2015, 16 and

to a lesser extent 718, we saw a spate of terror attacks in paris, in berlin, many in london dunng paris, in berlin, many in london during the 2017 general election even.i during the 2017 general election even. i suppose what does happen in the middle east always has these sort of reverberating effects. >> yes, i think there's a lot of truth in that. and i think although michael and i might differ, i think we're all furious at what happened to israel on october the 7th. but heartbroke at the loss of civilian life, although do not civilian life, although i do not believe israel are believe that israel are targeting the targeting civilians, clearly the civilian toll has been you civilian death toll has been you should listen what say . should listen to what they say. >> israeli politician >> enormous israeli politician say it's been. we're focusing on damage, not accuracy . they say damage, not accuracy. they say we want to create a humanitarian crisis in gaza so that everyone is forced to leave. are is forced to leave. these are words the of israeli words from the mouths of israeli government the government officials. the israeli officials israeli government officials would as did would also say, as they did leaflet drops, saying that people leave northern gaza. >> they haven't been in discriminately attacking what they often do. >> and that hamas have often prevented civilians from making those to safety. those moves to safety. >> say relative >> they will say relative safety. they do is they

>> what they often do is they say thing an say one thing to an international which international audience, which is we really trying to limit we are really trying to limit casualties. and then when they're domestic they're speaking to a domestic audience, they say what we're trying get everyone out trying to do is get everyone out of think the police >> do you think the police responded appropriately, michael, what we saw? michael, to what we saw? unfortunately, at some of these pro—palestine so for pro—palestine protests? so for example, hezbollah , tahrir, i example, hezbollah, tahrir, i believe that's how you pronounce it , that group being very it, that group being very present alongside the pro—palestinian protest. it wasn't part of the main organisation of the protests, but they were present in the police did not make arrests there. and then we've also seen chanting that many people would consider to be anti—semitic . do consider to be anti—semitic. do you not think that perhaps the police should have taken a tougher stance dance because it allows the idea to permeate that you can be extreme on the streets of london and nothing will nothing will happen as a result? well i suppose people can be extreme on the streets. >> i mean, it's fine to be extreme. it's problematic to incite racial hatred. right? so the police should be very clear that we are here. what we are

here to do is to make sure that people cannot incite racial hatred. there are there hatred. now, there are there are some these some chants on these demonstrations might have demonstrations that might have done that. i know the big controversy phrase controversy is about this phrase from the sea, which from the river to the sea, which to most who it just to most people who chant it just means should be means there should be a democratic from the river democratic state from the river to sea, where people to the sea, where people have one they should not to the sea, where people have on> so you've got these two groups who are both very, you know, rightly, i think, passionate about an issue . and passionate about an issue. and we as a democratic society can't just say, oh, this group says this, that group says that we have look it rationally have to look at it rationally and let's look and say, okay, let's look at this. is this racist? i this. is this racist? and i think when it comes to that particular quite particular phrase, quite clearly, not. the police

clearly, it's not. the police have also taken that position. >> well, i disagree. >> well, i disagree. >> yeah, disagree because >> yeah, i disagree because language >> yeah, i disagree because lan we've had there. and by the >> we've had there. and by the way, i do believe people can be rude , offensive, stupid loud rude, offensive, stupid or loud because that's all within free speech. >> agree. which i think. michael, stop interrupting me is a very sensitive subject and i'll let you have your say right i >> -- >> so people have a right to be rude or stupid and that's fine. but i don't think they have a right to be extremist because i think that causes fear. right to be extremist because i think that causes fear . and as think that causes fear. and as well as being wrong, that's also a criminal offence. i from the river to the sea in the aftermath of the worst attack on israel since the holocaust or the worst attack on jews since the worst attack on jews since the holocaust, many jews, and i completely understand this, feel like that is saying let's wipe out israel , let's wipe israel out israel, let's wipe israel off the map. so i'm all in favour of free speech, but that to me is inappropriate because of the level of distress it causes to jews in britain is enormous. >> well, so i think the comparison here this phrase comparison here is this phrase israel right defend israel has a right to defend itself a point when itself because at a point when you've israeli you've got the israeli government and

government bombing schools and hospitals what sound hospitals, what does it sound like palestinian when like to a palestinian when a labour politician goes on the telly all they can say is telly and all they can say is israel right to defend israel has a right to defend itself, to itself, israel has a right to defend this context. defend itself in this context. means mean, can be means or can can mean, can be interpreted mean israel has interpreted to mean israel has a right to bomb schools and hospitals. i don't hospitals. so that's why i don't think be banned think anyone should be banned to say is . say it is. >> clearly there's a way of there's a way of saying israel has a right to defend itself within the terms of international without international law without committing war crimes. can committing war crimes. you can say that is no way can say that there is no way you can say that there is no way you can say from the river the sea, say from the river to the sea, there should one state there should be one state without meaning anything without it. meaning anything other than israel should be wiped off the face of the earth. well, no. >> well, so it's not that's absolutely untrue . so, i mean, absolutely untrue. so, i mean, there are two ways of what would that state look like. so what would that state look like? well, first of well, i should say, first of all, probably favour all, i'm probably in favour of a two state solution. it's two state solution. i think it's up to the people in area. up to the people in the area. but one solution, what but a one state solution, what it for the it always meant for the palestinian liberation organisation palestinian liberation organi of ion palestinian liberation organi of on palestinian liberation organi of or they accepted two favour of or they accepted a two state say is state solution, let's say is that say essentially israel that you say essentially israel has created a one state situation . they have expanded

situation. they have expanded settlements west bank settlements into the west bank to the degree that a two to the to the degree that a two state solution is pretty much impossible. and therefore, impossible. and so therefore, you these people you have all of these people living one state. well, living in a one state. well, what ? and either you what situation? and either you give the or or you give them all the vote or or you have apartheid. >> running very, >> well, we are running very, very late on time. but i think it is fascinating that whenever this two state solution had been proposed , it did seem to be more proposed, it did seem to be more often palestinian liberation. >> the israelis never stopped expanding the settlement that was stopped expanding. clearly, it's thorny issue. >> clearly, it's a thorny issue. and no doubt these conversations are being had in households across united it's across the united kingdom. it's leading protest movements on leading to protest movements on either on the streets . and either side, on the streets. and clearly that is raising raising some level of alert within security services. it's a fascinating story. and michael walker, peter edwards, thank you so much for talking us through that. and so many other elements. this is. good afternoon britain on gb news and there is so much more to bring you over the next hour, including the very latest on the covid inquiry what has matt hancock been saying just around

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nuclear levels of confidence as he faces scrutiny over what he did and perhaps failed to do dunng did and perhaps failed to do during the pandemic. we'll bring you the latest and the conundrum of cop as cop 28 president denies on eve of summit, he abused his position to sign oil deals. >> we'll be asking if these climate summits really solve anything . anything. >> and more on that breaking news in the last hour that the former chancellor and veteran labour politician alistair darling, has died. aides 70 lord darling, has died. aides 70 lord darling , as darling, has died. aides 70 lord darling, as he became was, of course, chancellor of the exchequer throughout gordon brown's tenure as prime minister. >> yes, and we've seen tributes, flooding in from, of course , flooding in from, of course, labour politicians, but also from the current chancellor, jeremy hunt. these are on social media. rachel reeves hers was rather a poignant and emotive.

>> was she talked of him not just as an adviser and not just as a confidant, but as a friend. and all of these tributes have spoken about his mild mannered and often good humoured personality . yes. personality. yes. >> and the former shadow chancellor john mcdonnell , >> and the former shadow chancellorjohn mcdonnell , said chancellorjohn mcdonnell, said although they had they differed in economic strategy, he will be missed . missed. >> it's actually quite interesting that as far as i've seen so far with these tributes, it's the only politicians that have said, well, i disagreed with him on the economics, but he was a good guy. the labour politicians, it's not the tory politicians, it's not the tory politicians who are doing that. jeremy hunt the current chancellor, of course, had a very good natured statement that didn't mention sort of didn't mention any sort of ideological disagreement. but john and his statement john mcdonnell and his statement did. >> think most people know >> yes, i think most people know that john mcdonnell has a different, economics different, different economics to just about any other politician at all. >> know well that is, of course, very sad news. very sad news. but of course , a moment to but of course, a moment to reflect upon an extraordinary

political career as well. we'll get to all of those stories, not least that debate on the climate conference after your headlines with tatiana . with tatiana. >> tom, thank you. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. former chancellor and veteran labour politician alistair darling has died at the age of 70. lord darling became a household name when gordon brown appointed him chancellor after taking the keys to number 10 back in two thousand and seven. he ran the treasury throughout the global banking crisis and stayed in the post until mr brown lost the election in 2010. while mr brown's paid tribute saying alistair will be remembered as a statesman of unimpeachable integrity . a unimpeachable integrity. a statement on behalf of his family says he died after a short spell in western general hospital under the wonderful care of the cancer team . care of the cancer team. musician and singer shane macgowan, best known as the

frontman of the pogues, has died at the age of 65. macgowan led the irish punk band and after elvis costello beat the rock misfit, he couldn't. he wrote and sang the christmas classic fairytale of new york. he'd been receiving care in hospital for an infection , but was discharged an infection, but was discharged last week. he died peacefully with his wife by his side . matt with his wife by his side. matt hancock has told the covid inquiry his single greatest regret was not overruling formal scientific advice. he was receiving about asymptomatic transmission. he also told the inquiry that government at the time of the pandemic was a toxic culture and lacked empathy . the culture and lacked empathy. the former health secretary is currently giving evidence on the role of the department of health and social care, saying they were trying to raise the alarm with since january with whitehall since january 2020. denied the absence of 2020. he's denied the absence of a plan ahead of the pandemic, saying they weren't adequate . saying they weren't adequate. but plans in place . but there were plans in place. former prime minister boris johnson will give evidence next week . rmt members have voted

week. rmt members have voted overwhelming to accept a deal to end their long running dispute over pay and conditions. it's understood to include a backdated pay rise of 5% for last year and job security guarantees such as no compulsory redundancies until the end of next year. it means rmt members will no longer be involved in industrial action until at least the spring of 2024. train drivers represented by the aslef union are still set to strike. the israeli military says the ceasefire truce with hamas will continue for another day . us continue for another day. us secretary of state antony blinken is currently meeting with the israeli prime minister in jerusalem . he says a in jerusalem. he says a temporary truce between israel and hamas had produced results and hamas had produced results and the united states hopes it will continue. 16 hostages held in gaza were freed last night on what was thought to be the final day of a two day extension to the pause in fighting . day of a two day extension to the pause infighting. hamas has the pause in fighting. hamas has claimed responsibility for the

shooting that killed three people in jerusalem . at least people in jerusalem. at least eight others were injured in the attack . it happened at a bus attack. it happened at a bus stop during rush hour outside the entrance to the capital. police say the two suspected attackers were neutralised on the spot . a terror attack in the the spot. a terror attack in the uk linked to the gaza conflict is likely only a matter of time. security sources have directly told that two gb news. it comes as counter—terror police warn the public to remain extra vigilant in the run up to christmas. scotland yard's head of counter—terror policing says there's no specific intelligence of any planned attacks, but calls to the anti—terror hotline have risen 700% since the attack by hamas on israel on october 7th. a world first online fraud charter is being launched to tackle internet scams. the home secretary has gathered representatives from several leading tech companies, including facebook, tiktok, snapchat and youtube, to sign the pledge to tackle the issue.

the charter will introduce a number of measures to better protect users, including verifying new advertisers and removing fraudulent content swiftly . over 800,000 nursing swiftly. over 800,000 nursing professionals are currently registered to work in the uk. that's a rise of almost 20,000 in the past six months, according to the nursing and midwifery council . an increase midwifery council. an increase in nurses registering in the uk from so—called red list countries has raised questions around recruiting practices. speaking this morning, around recruiting practices. speaking this morning , the prime speaking this morning, the prime minister says the government's plans are laying the groundwork for winter . for winter. >> earlier this year i announced a long term workforce plan for the nhs , first in its 75 the nhs, the first in its 75 year history, which will ensure that right now we're going to expand the number of training places for nurses, doctors and all of medical all sorts of medical professionals. so in professionals. so that in the future we have staff that we future we have the staff that we need that we settle the need a great that we settle the consultants dispute. earlier this as well, welcome this week as well, very welcome news and all the resources we're putting into the nhs now can go

to giving patients the care that they and opportunity for me they need and opportunity for me to thank all our to say thank you to all our fantastic staff in advance fantastic nhs staff in advance of winter . of winter. >> this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to tom and . emily to tom and. emily >> well, the former health secretary, matt hancock is in the hot seat today. he's testifying at the covid inquiry he, of course, played a rather key role in the uk's response to the pandemic. >> he's been saying >> yes, and he's been saying that dominic cummings, boris johnson's adviser at the johnson's chief adviser at the time, caused what he describes as culture here at the as a toxic culture here at the heart of government. but was it really the culture that was the worst thing about how we responded to this pandemic? well, let's speak to gb news presenter pip tomson, who's outside the covid inquiry. and has been listening to all of these twists and turns. pip has matt hancock found himself in

any hot water for? well, he certainly undergone some forensic questioning, tom from leigh council to the inquiry. >> hugo keith and he's been giving some three hours of evidence so far. evidence that is likely to run into tomorrow as well. there's been these allegations that we've heard already at the inquiry that matt hancock lied and he was asked about this and says there's no evidence to support that whatsoever. he says there was a great deal of hard work on our side, as in the department of health and social care and a toxic culture that we had to work with, which seemed to want to find people to blame . and to find people to blame. and yes, he blames dominic cummings, former chief adviser to boris johnson, for that toxic culture. and we know that dominic cummings said he wanted matt hancock sacked as health secretary, but that matt hancock today well, he called dominic cummings a malign actor. listen

to this . to this. >> mr cummings was not one of the people who against him , it the people who against him, it might be said that he was resisting the inquiry can, if it chooses , get to the bottom of chooses, get to the bottom of each of the specific allegations because they are not true. >> and i'm very happy to write with an explanation of each and every one of them. the impact of the toxic culture that essentially was caused by the chief adviser , but that clearly chief adviser, but that clearly you can now i can now see not that i knew at the time. others were were brought into that was unhelpful . unhelpful. >> and what matt hancock was saying there about the power exerted by dominic cummings very much supports the former chancellor, sajid javid's evidence yesterday when he essentially said that dominic cummings was the reason why he resigned . now, also what we've

resigned. now, also what we've been talking about, resigned. now, also what we've been talking about , rather resigned. now, also what we've been talking about, rather than individual personalities is questions about planning or the lack of it by the department of health and social care . and matt health and social care. and matt hancock was very clear about this. he said there wasn't an absence of a plan, but there were plans that were not adequate. and he also stressed that from the middle of january it was the department of health and social care that was trying to raise the alarm about this growing problem of covid and the wake up whitehall to the scale of what was happening . and he of what was happening. and he said that couldn't only be addressed by the health department. it should have been grasped and led by the centre of government earlier , he was also government earlier, he was also questioned about the timing of lockdown . hugo keith, kc, said lockdown. hugo keith, kc, said should you have taken the opportunity when the virus was rife on march the 12th to tell colleagues in government and the pubuc colleagues in government and the public that this wall of death is coming ? matt hancock replied is coming? matt hancock replied and said , i'm a team player and and said, i'm a team player and the government position was not

yet met. matt hancock says he told the prime minister to lock down on march 13th. and we know that that official lockdown didn't come until march the 23rd. there was also discussed asymptomatic transmission . that asymptomatic transmission. that is where covid was transmitted without people showing symptoms. matt hancock said his single greatest regret with hindsight , greatest regret with hindsight, was not pushing on this harder and not overruling the formal scientific advice. i was receiving. there is plenty more to come this afternoon. we haven't even got on to this issue of care homes yet. this protective ring that matt hancock said was thrown around care homes in may 2020. he is going to be asked about that because we know by that time thousands of people who'd been discharged into care homes had died . i'll discharged into care homes had died. i'll bring you the discharged into care homes had died . i'll bring you the latest. died. i'll bring you the latest. >> well , pip, died. i'll bring you the latest. >> well, pip, we'll died. i'll bring you the latest. >> well , pip, we'll stick with >> well, pip, we'll stick with you for that. >> countermeasures. that was the view . view. >> that was the position of speaking as represented there . speaking as represented there. that's an interesting

development . okay. there we go. development. okay. there we go. matt hancock has stopped speaking , which i think everyone speaking, which i think everyone can breathe a sigh of relief. >> well, the issue of care homes, i imagine, in that is what is dreading because he what he is dreading because he has received so much criticism for not protecting care home patients and not providing the necessary protections, essentially for people and potentially he could have saved lives . lives. >> should we return to pip for a second? and it's still there. what exactly it is that we're expecting to come up? we've heard, of course, what you were going through then, but we've still got potentially a day and a half of evidence to go . yeah a half of evidence to go. yeah i mean, it has been made very clear that matt hancock's evidence will run into most of tomorrow as well. >> and judging by what i've just been telling you, there is a lot to be heard here. and the inquiry room is packed with relatives of the bereaved people who weren't here yesterday to

hear what sajid javid had to say and what dominic raab had to say. they want to be here to hear what the former health secretary, matt hancock , can say secretary, matt hancock, can say because he's very much been painted, hasn't he, as the villain of the piece, there's going to be questions about the lack of ppe and of course, what happenedin lack of ppe and of course, what happened in care homes. and we also know now that next wednesday and thursday, former prime minister boris johnson will be giving evidence to the inquiry and mei mei mei that could be explosive. yeah >> box office stuff to come. well pip, we know you'll be with every twist and turn of it and we'll be back with you as we hear more on that . hear more on that. >> yes. boris johnson. hear more on that. >> yes. borisjohnson. is hear more on that. >> yes. boris johnson. is he is he going to be in there for one day, two days or three days? >> i think he'd need to be there for several weeks. really, if you're going to get all of you're going to get to all of it. absolutely. fascinating it. no, absolutely. fascinating stuff. doubt some stuff. and no doubt some contention stuff. and no doubt some conyes. on stuff. and no doubt some conyes. well, a terror attack in >> yes. well, a terror attack in the uk linked to the conflict in gazais the uk linked to the conflict in gaza is likely only a matter of

time. according time. that's according to security who have told security sources who have told gb news that exclude . it comes gb news that exclude. it comes as counter—terror police warn the public to remain extra vigilant in the run to christmas. >> yes. scotland yard's head of counter policing says counter terror policing says there's no specific intelligence of any planned attacks, but calls to anti—terror hotline calls to the anti—terror hotline , well, they've risen by 700% since the conflict in the middle east began on the 7th of october. gb news home and security editor mark white was given access to counter—terrorism terrorism patrols in central . london on patrols in central. london on patrols in central. london on patrol with a counter—terror team in central london. >> these officers are from operation servator , a mix of operation servator, a mix of uniformed and covert plainclothes teams . plainclothes teams. >> we've got a lot of plainclothes officers working the area today. just keep people safe. the build up to safe. on the build up to christmas. if see anyone christmas. so if you see anyone staring you and as well staring at you and then as well as with public. as engaging with the public. >> these patrols are on the lookout anything suspicious. >> these patrols are on the loanything anything suspicious. >> these patrols are on the loanything any'ofng suspicious. >> these patrols are on the lo anything any'of the uspicious. >> these patrols are on the loanything any'of the ordinary,. s anything out of the ordinary, especially over the busy festive

penod. period. >> draw together at christmas . >> draw together at christmas. both our families, we go shopping when we visit events like winter wonderland . we got like winter wonderland. we got busy. one of the busiest shopping streets in europe behind us obviously draws a lot of people in. and we ask members of people in. and we ask members of the public as they're shopping these areas, shopping in these areas, enjoying themselves as they should be, they remain vigilant as . as well. >> there understandable >> there is understandable concern that the war in gaza could be the catalyst for terror attacks here in the uk . in attacks here in the uk. in recent weeks , the alert levels recent weeks, the alert levels in france and belgium have been raised after a separate terror attacks in those countries . attacks in those countries. these british transport police officers have also increased their counter—terror patrols in their counter—terror patrols in the run up to christmas . the run up to christmas. although the uk terror threat level has not yet been raised, counter—terror police have seen a 700% increase in calls to the anti—terror hotline since the start of the israel—hamas

conflict . conflict. >> we've seen in the past events overseas often can lead to radicalisation of individuals here, and we're very alive to that and we've seen an increase in prevent referrals and we've seen a particular increase in the amount of online extreme material referred to us. we're now over 2500 reports from the pubuc now over 2500 reports from the public to the counter terrorism internet referral unit, over 500 of those require more investigation to understand whether there's been a hate crime or a terrorism act offence committed by the festive period not only has added symbolism in the twisted logic of terrorists, it is also a time when people are much more likely to gather in larger crowds attending special events or christmas shopping . for alone wolf attacks shopping. for alone wolf attacks or those of lower sophistication. >> can be just as deadly and require little in the way of planning . planning. >> well, sadly, it may only be a

matter of time before we have a terrorist incident within the uk. we've seen them across europe. and of course, with the tensions in the middle east, that's something that really could cause problems within the uk as well. people are getting radicalised. there's no doubt about that. the police have been informed are informed that people are becoming radical and they don't need training in order get becoming radical and they don't nee(a:raining in order get becoming radical and they don't nee(a cariing in order get becoming radical and they don't nee(a car or] in order get becoming radical and they don't nee(a car or useorder get becoming radical and they don't nee(a car or use ader get becoming radical and they don't nee(a car or use a knife. get becoming radical and they don't nee(a car or use a knife. so into a car or use a knife. so it's a real concern for policing across the uk. >> and security >> the police and security services are closely monitoring known extremists, but whether they're known or unknown , the they're known or unknown, the longer the war in gaza rumbles on, the greater the risk that the radicalised turn to violence . mark white gb news i think it's important to say that we don't want to scare people at home with, but it's important to know that we must be extra vigilant with this degree of threat. >> absolutely. and if you see any individual who you think has extreme links, do contact, prevent that organisation that is meant to sift through potential extremist sites and

keep us all safe. >> yes, but coming up, the prime minister has said he was not in hock to ideological zealots as he heads to cop 28 international summit in dubai, a rather oil rich nation this evening. more on that after this short . rich nation this evening. more on that after this short. break. you know, i've been a pop star. >> i've been a tv presenter. >> i've been a tv presenter. >> i've been a tv presenter. >> i've danced on strictly. i've faced some of my biggest fears on i'm a celebrity get me out of here. and now, ladies and gentlemen, to face my gentlemen, i'm going to face my biggest of all by biggest challenge of all by joining gb news with ellie costello and peter andre for the brightest. costello and peter andre for the brigstart. costello and peter andre for the brigstart your weekend with >> start your weekend with all the news. the biggest stories, plus some special guests. >> me, peter, andre and me, >> join me, peter, andre and me, ellie costello for saturday morning live from

monday to thursdays from six till 930 . till 930. >> good afternoon, britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> now the prime minister has said he's not in hock to ideological zealots over his approach to climate change. he said that as he prepared to head to the cop 28 international summit in drumroll dubai by this evening. yes, the climate conference is in dubai. >> yes, a very oil rich nation . >> yes, a very oil rich nation. rishi sunak was questioned earlier today about his approach to net zero measures following the delays to implementing some policies and his support for oil and gas exploration in the north

sea . sea. >> yes, he said, we are a world leader when it comes to climate . leader when it comes to climate. that's what the stats show. we've reduced carbon emissions in this country faster than any major economy. >> he's got his lines. well, we can now speak with gb news presenter alby amankona. alby i understand you have quite a strong view on where this event is taking place . is taking place. >> yes, one odd place for a global climate conference, a climate conference in dubai. >> it's a little bit like having a women's rights conference in saudi arabia, in my opinion , saudi arabia, in my opinion, this is one of the most oil rich countries in the world. >> and all the world leaders are flying over there in their private jets to then go and tell all the countries which haven't developed yet, to develop so developed yet, not to develop so that become as rich that they can't become as rich and as prosperous the and as prosperous as the countries that have developed for chance that for the very real chance that they emit some carbon they might emit some carbon dioxide way. they might emit some carbon dio:|de way. they might emit some carbon dio:| think way. they might emit some carbon dio:| think it's way. they might emit some carbon dio:| think it's a ay. they might emit some carbon dio:| think it's a very odd place >> i think it's a very odd place for the conference to take place. >> maybe they should have

thought a little bit more strongly about where put strongly about where to put it, perhaps being strongly about where to put it, perhaps by being strongly about where to put it, perhaps by climate being strongly about where to put it, perhaps by climate change being strongly about where to put it, perhaps by climate change ateing impacted by climate change at the moment acutely, the moment quite acutely, maybe somewhere like the maldives, maybe somewhere like the caribbean, somewhere caribbean, maybe somewhere like the netherlands, for example. i just place, just think this this place, dubai , is the wrong for dubai, is the wrong place for this conference. dubai, is the wrong place for thisi:onference. dubai, is the wrong place for thisi definitely. dubai, is the wrong place for thisi definitely go. if it was in >> i definitely go. if it was in the maldives. >> i definitely go. if it was in the well, ives. >> i definitely go. if it was in the well,ives. some >> i definitely go. if it was in thewell,ives. some people >> well, i'll be some people might say , isn't it important might say, isn't it important that dubai and the uae, one of the most sort of oil rich nafions the most sort of oil rich nations on the planet, is it isn't it important that these nafions isn't it important that these nations come along with the rest of us? it can't just be the united kingdom that's cutting our emissions by half, as we've done since 1990. see, if it's only britain that decides we're going to reduce our co2 emissions, we'll be poor and everyone else will be rich. isn't it right to get the uae in with us to look? i think we've got to get the whole world to catch up with the united kingdom when it comes to of the when it comes to all of the amazing that this country amazing work that this country has cutting co2 has done on cutting co2 emissions . and i think dubai has emissions. and i think dubai has got to be part of that. >> but actually, let's just forget dubai and the

forget about dubai and the united kingdom for a second. >> china. united kingdom for a second. >> let's china. united kingdom for a second. >> let's talk china. united kingdom for a second. >> let's talk america . >> let's talk about america. >> let's talk about america. >> let's talk about america. >> let's talk about nigeria. the fastest growing in world. >> how that we are going >> how is it that we are going to persuade where to persuade nigeria, where the majority people are living in majority of people are living in really awful conditions really quite awful conditions compared the conditions that compared to the conditions that we've to in the west? >> to say , no, no, don't >> to say, no, no, don't develop, don't exploit your oil fields don't want you fields because we don't want you to carbon dioxide . to emit carbon dioxide. >> so i think we can get a little bit distracted talking about united kingdom. >> strong views on >> yes. had strong views on where where the conference where the where the conference was place . but unless was taking place. but unless we're bringing along these big, fast countries like fast growing countries like china and nigeria us and china and nigeria with us and also big emitters like the us, there's almost no point in the united kingdom and the uae even bothering with the net agenda. >> well, raise an important >> well, you raise an important point there. the point there. one of the criticisms of the whole cop thing is that it allows leaders, our leaders, to virtue signal on the international stage, talk about how fantastic their efforts are to go green and nothing to do solid comes out of

it all. >> but this is where i think rishi sunak actually can play a really important role. you know, it is right to say the uk has done an amazing job on net zero. >> so far, so good in fact that the prime minister says we can actually can take our actually we can take our foot off the gas a little bit and push back our green, of push back our our green, some of our targets. think it our green targets. i think it was electric cars that we pushed back 2035. back from 20, 30 to 2035. >> what rishi sunak needs to >> but what rishi sunak needs to do at this conference not do at this conference is not necessarily commit to much necessarily commit to too much that going to do more, that the uk is going to do more, but say to other but actually say to other countries right, shown countries, right, we've shown you how you can do this in a way which does damage which does not damage your economy. which does not damage your eco follow us. this is how we did >> follow us. this is how we did it. this is how you should do it. this is how you should do it. so want to hear from it. so what i want to hear from cop is not too many more commitments united commitments from the united kingdom, to see that kingdom, but i want to see that rishi sunak and his rishi sunak and indeed his majesty charles, has majesty the king charles, has been other been able to convince other countries follow united countries to follow the united kingdom's . kingdom's brilliant example. >> some people might argue that the united taken the united kingdom has taken a bit economic hit . the bit of an economic hit. the industrial energy in industrial price of energy in the uk has risen by three times since the early 2000. but stay

with us, albie. we're going to bnngin with us, albie. we're going to bring in now a just stop oil spokesperson. delighted to be joined by zoe cohen . and zoe, joined by zoe cohen. and zoe, it's interesting , i spent two it's interesting, i spent two weeks up in glasgow a couple of years ago when this country hosted the cop, and i found it fascinating that the likes of greta thunberg were not inside, but they were outside the conference as well, protesting against the idea of net zero, promoting instead a more absolute line on absolute zero. what's the position of just stop oil . oil. >> well, first of all, i think what's really important to say is that, of course, this channel, the founder and founder of this channel, has major oil interests . and gb news isn't a interests. and gb news isn't a news station at all. it's a misinfo station station funded by oil interests. >> it's interesting, zoe, that you're then invited on to give your position. >> all you're doing is pushing misinformation and climate

denial and delay. that's your entire job. that's your raison d'etre as a channel, isn't it? >> is it? in that case, why did ispend >> is it? in that case, why did i spend quite a lot of my year last year arguing to legalise onshore wind turbines? why did i take the tory party to task the snp to task the liberal democrats to task for blocking nuclear power ? why have so many nuclear power? why have so many different people working for this channel actually been on the pro growth pro green side of this argument? zoe cohen um , i this argument? zoe cohen um, i don't know, but i think you probably feel you have to provide a little bit of balance, which is partly why you have a soh. 5011. >> son. >> so you can argue to ofcom that you've got some balance amongst zoe zoe with all amongst zoe zoe zoe zoe with all due you coming on due respect, are you coming on now to discuss the topic that we want to discuss, which is whether cop 28 is effective as a summit in terms of making us all a greener planet. >> or are you to here talk about the channel itself ? the channel itself? >> i'm delighted to talk about

cop. i mean, it's basically a giant sales conference for the oil and gas industry, isn't it? >> i find this delightful. i think there are people on the right of the spectrum who hate cop because it's trying to get to net zero and trying to get some international agreements . some international agreements. and then there are people on the some international agreements. an(leften there are people on the some international agreements. an(left on here are people on the some international agreements. an(left on the are people on the some international agreements. an(left on the anti—growth)n the some international agreements. an(left on the anti—growth side e far left on the anti—growth side of who hate cop because far left on the anti—growth side of doesn't who hate cop because far left on the anti—growth side of doesn't go» hate cop because far left on the anti—growth side of doesn't go far|te cop because far left on the anti—growth side of doesn't go far enoughyecause far left on the anti—growth side ofdoesn't go far enough .cause far left on the anti—growth side of doesn't go far enough . albie, it doesn't go far enough. albie, can governments win? >> it's not about being on the far left or far right. >> it's about being a realist. and understanding reality. we've already gone past 8.5 degrees. reality we've gone. we've gone past five degrees. are you not proud of the uk's record on climate change and the amount of progress that we've made on the fossil fuel? >> the transition from fossil fuels to green, clean energy soufces. >> sources. >> and obviously we'd like to get further by 2050. but are you not proud of the progress that this country has made compared to other countries ? to other countries? >> this country has made progress, but it's gone back in. >> it's gone in full reverse gean >> it's gone in full reverse gear. this government licensed

100 new oil licences, oil and gas licences at a time when we are heading for utter catastrophe, we're heading for collapse of our economy, collapse of our economy, collapse of our public services , collapse of our public services, collapse of our public services, collapse of our food systems . collapse of our food systems. our children are going to be starving in front of our eyes, in the decades to come. >> so one of the one of one of the zoe . one of the. hang on, the zoe. one of the. hang on, hang on, zoe . one of the key hang on, zoe. one of the key tenants of climate change tenants of our climate change policy inflate once other policy is to inflate once other countries with high carbon emissions to reduce them is cop 28 useful in that respect? countries like britain that are making steps you don't believe they go far enough but are making steps to reduce carbon emissions? can you persuade other nations, at least in theory, to cut back on their own ? >> 7- >> if we 7_ >> if we had ? >> if we had any actual leadership, alice, then yes, but we don't. how can we be leading when we are rolling back on almost every measure and licensing 100 new fossil fuel projects in 2023 when we've just gone past 1.5 degrees, it's

absolutely ridiculous . we have absolutely ridiculous. we have no leadership in this country anymore. we are utterly failing . anymore. we are utterly failing. we are betraying our children and failing everyone in the global south. we can't call ourselves leaders anymore, but we could do if we radically changed course and ended new fossil fuel licenses, which is of course supported by the international energy agency . the international energy agency. the p0pe international energy agency. the pope all leading medical journals, the leading scientists and so on. but what we need to do, i don't know why there's some laughing going on about medical journals. this is a global health emergency. i used to work the thank you. global health emergency. i used to wo don't he thank you. global health emergency. i used to wo don't actually thank you. global health emergency. i used to wo don't actually seem; you. global health emergency. i used to wo don't actually seem to>u. don't don't actually seem to care that, do you? care about that, do you? >> just you refer to >> i just love how you refer to the pope authority on the pope as an authority on climate change. catholic climate change. the catholic church accept earth, church didn't accept the earth, went until about went around the sun until about 20 ago. i mean, my 20 years ago. i mean, my goodness , what authority goodness, what an authority to appeal obe. let's give the appeal to obe. let's give the final word to you on this . is final word to you on this. is there not a point that just stop oil have here that this is a jamboree for people who want to greenwash what they do all the big corporates are going to be there ? no, i don't think that's

there? no, i don't think that's right at all. >> look, it's at these kinds of conferences where global leaders rub shoulders with business leaders and make decisions which are going to impact the future of everyone the studio and of everyone in the studio and everyone in the two respective rooms the other rooms that me and the other guests from. guests are talking from. >> can completely >> and i can completely understand frustration that understand the frustration that the people involved in the driving genocide and they know it. >> okay , well, what wasn't >> okay, well, what wasn't happening , they are driving happening, they are driving climate genocide and they know it that well. >> on that note, thank you both for joining us. albie amankona forjoining us. albie amankona and zoe cohen. thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. what we do know is and i believe it was the indian prime minister said he didn't particularly enjoy being what to do on being being told what to do on this issue by other nations, such as ourselves. so there you go. it's an upward hill task. >> i just love how the climate protesters really hate the climate conference. it's like sort you think you are sort of how do you think you are going to reach any sort of agreements? much more agreements? well, much more after with after your headlines with

tatiana . tatiana. >> good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom. matt hancock has told the covid inquiry lockdown should have been brought in three weeks earlier on march 2nd. he also told the inquiry that government at the time of the pandemic was at the time of the pandemic was a toxic culture and lacked empathy . the former health empathy. the former health secretary is currently giving evidence on the role of the department of health social department of health and social care, were trying to care, saying they were trying to raise the alarm with whitehall since january 2020, he's denied the absence of a plan ahead of the absence of a plan ahead of the pandemic, saying they weren't but there were weren't adequate. but there were plans place. former prime plans in place. former prime minister boris johnson gives evidence next week . former evidence next week. former chancellor and veteran labour politician alistair darling has died at the age of 70. lord darling became a household name when gordon brown appointed him chancellor after taking the keys to number 10 back in two thousand and seven. he ran the treasury throughout the global banking crisis office and stayed in post until mr brown lost

in the post until mr brown lost the in 2010. mr brown's the election in 2010. mr brown's paid tribute, saying alistair will be remembered as the statesman of unimpeachable integrity , a statement on behalf integrity, a statement on behalf of his family says he died after a short spell in western general hospital under the wonderful care of the cancer team . the care of the cancer team. the israeli military says the ceasefire truce with hamas will continue for another day. us secretary of state antony blinken is currently meeting with israel's prime minister and his war cabinet in jerusalem . he his war cabinet in jerusalem. he says the temporary truce between israel and hamas has produced results and the us hopes it will continue to. 16 hostages held in gaza were freed last night on what was thought to be the final day of a two day extension to the pause in fighting . and the pause in fighting. and a world first online fraud charter is being launched to tackle internet scams. the home secretary gathered representatives from several leading tech companies, including facebook , tiktok, including facebook, tiktok, snapchat and youtube, to sign the pledge to tackle the issue.

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news the former diplomat, henry kissinger, one of the most influential political figures of the 20th century, has died at the 20th century, has died at the age of 100. >> seen by some as a hero and others as a villain, it's fair to say his remarkable career was seen as controversial. let's have a look back on his life . have a look back on his life. >> the phrase elder statesman is often overused, but in henry kissinger's case, it couldn't be more apt. a modern colossus of the world stage whose life spanned the 20th and 21st centuries directly shaping some of modern world's most momentous diplomatic events . as america's diplomatic events. as america's national security adviser and then the 56th secretary of state, he guided us foreign policy through the latter stages of the cold war. >> i think it is essential for the united states to establish some physical presence in the indian ocean area so that it is not that the situation does not continue, in which the only

people that are seen are soviets and soviet proxy forces helping steer america out of vietnam and watergate . watergate. >> but not without a cost. he was later accused of overseeing war crimes in the bombing of cambodia , and although he was cambodia, and although he was a joint recipient of the nobel peace prize, along with the nonh peace prize, along with the north vietnamese, nothing that has happened to me in public life has moved me more than this award. he unsuccessfully attempted to return the award following the fall of saigon. however he still ensured his prize money was distributed to the families of fallen or missing us service personnel. his reach extended from latin america to the middle east. but his greatest achievement was perhaps pioneering a new era for an american relation in bringing to an end more than two decades of chinese isolation . in the of chinese isolation. in the diplomatic shorthand he adopted is still in use today. diplomatic shorthand he adopted is still in use today . shuttle is still in use today. shuttle diplomacy back channel peace

process. all his phrases, but perhaps most infamous was his observation that power is the ultimate aphrodisiac , something ultimate aphrodisiac, something he applied with gusto to alliances and a few dalliances across the world stage . despite across the world stage. despite his lugubrious speech and appearance, he became a jet setting a—list celebrity , setting a—list celebrity, earning the sobriquet super k. but beneath the glamour, there was always the grit and the graft of a supremely intelligent harvard scholar who had started learning the lessons of history at an early age . he was born in at an early age. he was born in 1923 to a german jewish family in bavaria. the young kissinger was beaten by the hitler youth, but after 15 years, his family managed to flee to a new life in america . he was drafted to the america. he was drafted to the us army intelligence corps. eventually overseeing the denazification of frankfurt . he denazification of frankfurt. he was seeing the modern world unfolding before him , and he unfolding before him, and he both saw and understood as early as the 1970s his speeches were

warning about the impact of information technology , and we information technology, and we are challenged by a technology for which there is no precedent . for which there is no precedent. as recently as 2014, he warned that talking about nato membership for ukraine without actually delivering it was fraught with danger. then in 2022, he was derided for expounding that the west lacked a coherent strategy for ending a war in ukraine. the freedom of ukraine, which has been undertaken with great cohesion by nato . not only undertaken with great cohesion by nato. not only had he undertaken with great cohesion by nato . not only had he learned by nato. not only had he learned the lessons of history, he was still writing them . still writing them. >> i want to tell you all how much it has . >> i want to tell you all how much it has. it has meant to me and that i'll never forget . you .

and that i'll never forget. you. >> well, there we have it, henry kissinger, who has died today at the age of 100. let's discuss this and some of the other top stories today with our panel, the contributing editor at novara media, michael walker , is novara media, michael walker, is here and gb news economics and business editor liam halligan joins us to. liam, first of all, henry kissinger , a titan of henry kissinger, a titan of world affairs for decades , as world affairs for decades, as someone who was commenting on these affairs, even advising leaders right up until his death, a remarkable figure, a jewish refugee from nazi germany , henry kissinger, came to america . america. >> and in his accent and english, he became secretary of state and one of the most powerful figures in successive republican administrations. there you've got the american dream right there. and for many people, he was inspirational. i was lucky to meet him a couple of times over the years. talk to him about lots and lots of

issues.i him about lots and lots of issues. i talk to him particularly about how the rest of the world perceived america at really the apogee of us power when he was in the white house. and he was a controversial figure. many people blame him for the prolonged negation of the war in vietnam . other people the war in vietnam. other people laud him for helping to engineer america's withdrawal from vietnam. indeed, he won the nobel peace prize many people laud him for bringing a sense of openness and transparency to the governance of the world's biggest economy, the world's most powerful country, which it still is, and certainly was in my childhood. and other people say he was the epitome of the secretive deep state. so he was absolutely a man of contradictions . and what we may contradictions. and what we may say, these days, a kind of shapeshifter. but look , when you shapeshifter. but look, when you when you operate at the heights of of power, whether of any kind of power, whether it's political power or commercial power, you need that little bit of constructive ambivalence in how you present yourself . and he absolutely had

yourself. and he absolutely had that. but when you think about the arc of his life 100 years old, it's easy. he's born in 1923. then even my maths is good enough for that . so you think he enough for that. so you think he was young man at the start of was a young man at the start of the world he the second world war? he actually us actually served in the us military , so you can almost military, so you can almost imagine kind of extra imagine him as a kind of extra on a set of mash. you guys are too young to remember mash, but many viewers many gb news viewers and listeners will remember mash and he was the when i was growing up and a lot of my irish family were in america. america the were in america. america was the land america was land of the future. america was where you know, had where people, you know, had better quality clothing, better quality food were all the sitcoms from . i remember sitcoms came from. i remember henry kissinger was really part of that american dream that somebody who whose even if you're english, was was your second language. even if you came to america, a relatively older age as a jewish refugee fleeing nazi germany and he ended up having really enormous power and influence. the question, though , that question, though, that historians will grapple with, they have been grappling with it and they will grapple with it

for the rest our lives. is for the rest of our lives. is was a positive or a negative was he a positive or a negative force? and very ambivalence force? and that very ambivalence is a testament his diplomatic skill. >> well, one former prime minister, tony blair, certainly has lauded henry kissinger and his legacy. he described him as an artist of diplomacy. he says kissinger was motivated by a genuine love of the free world and the need to protect it. >> oh, that's very interesting. i knew that tony blair was a fan, but i mean, i do think that is a somewhat misleading statement when it comes to the free world. i think even he would would would admit kissinger would admit that he a very cynical admit that he was a very cynical operator. so operator. right. so he was trying promote american trying to promote american interests especially trying to promote american interests business:ially trying to promote american interests business interests american business interests around the world. and sometimes that do decent around the world. and sometimes that so do decent around the world. and sometimes that so apparently cent around the world. and sometimes that so apparently he's quite things. so apparently he's quite popular because was popular in china because he was behind rapprochement between behind the rapprochement between america laid america and china, which laid the way a few decades of the way for a few decades of growth, which brought hundreds of millions of people out of poverty, very unpopular in south east because it was him who east asia because it was him who sort of masterminded the bombing campaign which campaign of cambodia, which killed 100,000 or hundreds of thousands people and of thousands of people in and of

itself, the way for itself, and then set the way for the got a couple the khmer rouge. i got a couple of from kissinger this of quotes from kissinger this morning knew were morning because i knew we were going to talk about this. so on cambodia is nixon cambodia and this is him, nixon wants a massive bombing campaign. want to campaign. he doesn't want to hear about it. it's an hear anything about it. it's an order be done. anything that order to be done. anything that flies moves. you can sort flies or moves. so you can sort of there his concern for the of see there his concern for the human life of people outside of america. then on chile, which i think is very significant when it comes being a defender it comes to him being a defender of he said the issues of freedom, he said the issues are much important for the are much too important for the chilean to chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves . and decide for themselves. and that's quote he gave after he that's a quote he gave after he had backed a military coup of the democratic government the social democratic government in , which involved the in chile, which involved the chilean bombing their chilean army bombing their president palace. so he wasn't especially a friend of democracy around the world. >> of course, that is a bit of a contentious idea whether or not the government before the coup in chile was tending towards authoritarian ism, the economic distress in that country at the time, a very mixed legacy there. >> well, i mean, they had a left wing economic policy, but i don't think anyone disputes that

they were democratically elected don't think anyone disputes that they in are democratically elected don't think anyone disputes that they in the iemocratically elected don't think anyone disputes that they in the case cratically elected don't think anyone disputes that they in the case there|lly elected don't think anyone disputes that they in the case there waselected don't think anyone disputes that they in the case there was thatzd . so in the case there was that the united states bought our business interests will be damaged if we democracy to damaged if we allow democracy to run course in chile. so what run its course in chile. so what we to do is back we are going to do is back a right wing hunter, back the military. they take out the democratically elected government . and then kissinger government. and then kissinger actually personally actually was personally encouraging pinochet and that government to kill as many leftists as possible, because obviously, if you kill your enemy , then it's going to be enemy, then it's going to be harder them to in harder for them to rebel in the future. >> america's reach, >> for america's global reach, america's a policeman of america's role as a policeman of the world. of course, it's controversial in the uk, it's widely accepted among the sort of political and media class and the broader public among the sort of emerging giants of the east. it isn't accepted at all. there's a lot of animosity towards it, and a figure who really embodies american was global reach is indeed henry kissinger. on the plus side of the ledger, you know, not only was there rapprochement between china and the us under kissinger, kissinger also masterminded sort one, the

strategic arms limitation treaty with nixon. and he you know, he went to moscow with nixon in an incredibly important meeting between nixon and brezhnev . that between nixon and brezhnev. that was because of kissinger. that couldn't have happened without kissinger. and historians are clear about that. on the other hand, as you say, you mentioned agent orange in south east asia mentioned the idea of us hegemony in south east asia . and hegemony in south east asia. and even with just ordinary folk, henry kissinger's name will come up. he's he's in umbilical unked up. he's he's in umbilical linked with those control forces. and in some ways, henry kissinger was the sort of human embodiment of the sort of churchill quote about democracy. it's the best it's the worst possible system, except for all the others. he was very pragmatic but undeniable , fully pragmatic but undeniable, fully capable of real ruthless ness. but at the apex of power , where but at the apex of power, where you don't get there unless you're ruthless and you certainly don't survive as secretary of state for eight years, the height of the cold

war. >> well, it's been a fascinating day today and a moving day day today and quite a moving day in some respects because, of course, we started the morning learning of kissinger's learning of henry kissinger's death. afternoon during death. and this afternoon during this program, learned this program, we learned of another political death, that of alastair de ling. liam again, this is someone that you knew. you met, you interviewed , and you met, you interviewed, and your thoughts? >> yeah, i, i interviewed alastair darling many times. i met alastair darling as a young lobby correspondent, political correspondent for the ft in as new labour was really coming together . i new labour was really coming together. i knew new labour was really coming together . i knew him new labour was really coming together. i knew him by reputation . he was very much reputation. he was very much a sort of left wing firebrand. and yet i could see that his views were shifting as the views of robin cook were shifting, gordon brown was shifting john prescott as the mau mo mowlam, claire shaw as the sort of new labour gang were preparing themselves for power and admitting to themselves that they were only going to win this election and oust the tories, which a lot of the country wanted to happen. they'd power long they'd been in power for a long

time and certainly my generation wanted that. and alistair darling was one of those people who you could see was becoming constrained actively and pragmatically moderate in order to his ideas electable. to make his ideas electable. >> do you see parallels with what happened in the 90s and the labour party with what's happened last three happened in the last three years? yeah i mean, i think what happenedin years? yeah i mean, i think what happened in the 90s was a bit more intellectually rich and i think that's to the right way of putting labour right. >> that's a good way of putting it. essentially you've got keir starmer the cabal around it. essentially you've got keir starrwho, the cabal around it. essentially you've got keir starrwho, thbasicallyround here who, who basically justify themselves we themselves against the left. we are and we are not jeremy corbyn and we don't have ideas are not jeremy corbyn and we dorourselves. have ideas are not jeremy corbyn and we dorourselves. when ideas are not jeremy corbyn and we dorourselves. when it ideas are not jeremy corbyn and we dorourselves. when it came aas are not jeremy corbyn and we dorourselves. when it came to for ourselves. when it came to new one they had new labour, one thing they had was ideas. think that went in was ideas. i think that went in some problematic direction. but i darling i do think that alistair darling gordon sort of is gordon brown, for me sort of is the face of new labour, which i find sympathy stick because the face of new labour, which i find they sympathy stick because the face of new labour, which i find they didpathy stick because the face of new labour, which i find they did decide, ick because the face of new labour, which i find they did decide, yomecause the face of new labour, which i find they did decide, you know,a while they did decide, you know, in terms of compromise in my terms a sort of compromise with establishment, they with the establishment, they didn't rupert didn't take on the rupert murdoch they decided, no, didn't take on the rupert mu have they decided, no, didn't take on the rupert mu have to they decided, no, didn't take on the rupert mu have to get they decided, no, didn't take on the rupert mu have to get they decioni, no, we have to get the elite on side. we to get big side. we have to get big business whereas the business on side. whereas the john of the john mcdonnell wing of the labour say, if labour party might say, if we want change, we to want real change, we have to

take on big business. we have to take on big business. we have to take on big business. we have to take on the rupert murdoch's of the world. they were willing the world. so they were willing to think to compromise us. but i do think that gordon brown, alistair darling it a darling were doing it for a purpose. think purpose. you know, i do think that did care that probably they did care about britain, about poverty in britain, whereas the whereas i believe we have the likes blair. it was likes of tony blair. it was always a bit less clear. >> we just have time to go to tony believe, is tony mcguire. i believe, who is in alistair darling's former constituency. he's been speaking to people . oh there you are, to people. oh there you are, tony. can you tell us what you've heard? >> good afternoon. indeed, i can. certainly. i've just arrived in wester hailes here in south—west edinburgh this afternoon and talking people. and it was an interesting mix . and it was an interesting mix. certainly some had not heard the news and obviously a bit of a strange way for a reporter to break the news to them. but every single person here had known of alistair darling's achievements remembered him from those 13 long years. and a labour cabinet under tony blair and gordon brown, and certainly , and gordon brown, and certainly, even though they might have had mixed feelings about him, every

single one of them was obviously recognisable in this part of the world by that white hair. let's have a listen to what some of the locals had to say. >> i think he'd be missed by some you know, he was he was an all guy. he'd his all right guy. he'd done his job. >> i don't think there's any controversy about him. >> it? like the rest? >> is it? like all the rest? >> is it? like all the rest? >> know all they call it >> i know all they call it blocks. right? >> just put the secrets in the safe. lock it up. forgotten about, you know, this region? >> he very good. >> oh, he was very good. >> oh, he was very good. >> i think he'll be his style of politics will be missed. >> that's gone forever , i think >> that's gone forever, i think now, anyway , anything else ? now, anyway, anything else? >> i'm just memories. >> i'm just memories. >> just a bit sad that he's died so young, to be honest with you. yeah >> he did have a lot of his life i >> -- >> yeah. -_ >> yeah. 70 year olds. not all these days. >> and that is all we have time for. thank you very much. tony mcguire . and thank you at home mcguire. and thank you at home for watching. good afternoon. britain thank michael britain thank you to michael walker. course , liam walker. and of course, liam halligan for being our panellists and panellists this afternoon. and thank you at home.

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tonight, the rain will clear to the so that it'll be a the south. so that it'll be a much drier night and the cloud will clear to leave spells will clear to leave clear spells across of uk. so across much of the uk. so another cold and frosty one could see some freezing fog arriving in southeastern areas as well as snow showers still clipping eastern north eastern areas. so another risk of snow andice areas. so another risk of snow and ice with another warning in force for friday morning. so take care if you are travelling tomorrow morning in these areas , tomorrow morning in these areas, the freezing fog could be quite slow to clear tomorrow morning as well. so it could be rather murky and eastern murky for central and eastern areas . further west, though, areas. further west, though, another and sunny day. some another dry and sunny day. some showers still moving in across the north and east, but it will be feeling very chilly once again by looks like things are heating up. >> boxed boilers , sponsors of >> boxed boilers, sponsors of weather on .

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