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as well. meanwhile, around 2500 people in cumbria could be without power until late tonight after heavy snow, electric city, north—west, saying that repairs are continuing following significant damage to the network with engineers battling treacherous conditions . weather treacherous conditions. weather warnings for snow and ice remain in place for many parts of the united kingdom . a british owned united kingdom. a british owned cargo vessel has reportedly been hit by at least two drones, while in the red sea near yemen. the pentagon says it's also aware of reports regarding attacks on an american warship in the area. yemeni houthis saying that they've been targeting two israeli vessels . targeting two israeli vessels. is in the us. four people, including two children, have been killed following a stabbing at a home in new york. two police officers were also attacked before shooting. the suspect said to be a family member dead. patrick hendry is president of the nyc police

benevolent association. this scene was chaos . scene was chaos. >> multiple victims , a house on >> multiple victims, a house on fire and a mad man on a rampage on a mission . and thankful that on a mission. and thankful that these police officers showed up . these police officers showed up. imagine what could have happened if these police officers weren't there . this mad man tried to there. this mad man tried to kill after he killed others on new york city police officer. the skill that this police officer had shooting and stopping the threat after he was being stabbed . being stabbed. >> well, back here, tributes are being paid to baroness kinnock , being paid to baroness kinnock, who died in the early hours of this morning. the family of the former minister mep and wife of ex—labour leader lord kinnock says she was a proud democratic socialist who campaigned for justice and against poverty all her life . she was diagnosed with her life. she was diagnosed with alzheimer's in 2017. sir keir

starmer described her as a true fighter for the labour party. meanwhile, former prime minister gordon brown said she stood up against all injustice , against all injustice, injustices wherever ever there was an injustice , wherever there was an injustice, wherever there was an injustice, wherever there was poverty and inequality, wherever women and girls were being denied the basic rights . being denied the basic rights. >> there was glenis standing up for them bravely, courageously but popular for doing so . her but popular for doing so. her loss is a great loss to both the labour party, but also to those people who stand up for justice right across the world. >> well, israel continues to carry out intense airstrikes in southern gaza. the hamas run health ministry saying that seven palestinians were killed and several others injured dunng and several others injured during a raid on rafah city. the us is calling on israel to avoid further harm to civilians . and further harm to civilians. and finally , commuters have faced finally, commuters have faced a second day of travel chaos as train drivers staged their second day of strikes. aslef union members have launched a series of walkout efforts in

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festive season stop them from trying everything. trying to cancel everything. coming the show tonight, coming up on the show tonight, we'll hearing from the author we'll be hearing from the author of an important new book about how can how the wealthy and powerful can use their riches and the courts to speech. we'll be to stifle free speech. we'll be speaking to a campaigner about his concerns regarding the provision of education in welsh schools. we'll discussing schools. and we'll be discussing the the bbc's newsnight the cuts. to the bbc's newsnight show and whether there's a worrying decline of programmes of that nature and of course, i've got wonderful panel to i've got a wonderful panel to here answer questions our here answer questions from our studio panel this studio audience. my panel this evening comedians chris evening are the comedians chris cressida and frances cressida wetton and frances foster . welcome, both. has it foster. welcome, both. has it been a good week for you.7 >> been a good week for you? >> no. >> no. okay. >> no. okay. i'm >> no. okay. i'm glad >> no. okay. i'm glad you >> no. okay. i'm glad you came along. i was actually in spain a couple of days ago. the food is terrible there for vegetarian. do you know this? no, i didn't. they don't really believe in vegetarianism. i ordered a dish which had no meat and they put prawns put prawns prawns in. they just put prawns in. going on? in. what's going on? >> therefore they in. what's going on? >> feel therefore they in. what's going on? >> feel pain. erefore they in. what's going on? >> feel pain. therefore,ey can't feel pain. therefore, they're for you to they're correct for you to be able to them. able to eat them. >> it's absolutely outrageous. >> it's absolutely outrageous.

>> it's absolutely outrageous. >> i think you deserve >> no, i think you deserve you're you you you're treated as you as you deserve treated. deserve to be treated. >> okay. fair enough. yeah. this is what i have to put up. unbelievable. unbelievable. well hopefully our audience are a bit nicer so let's nicer than our panel, so let's get some questions. our first question is armin. armin question is from armin. armin hello. good evening. >> is keir starmer >> good evening. is keir starmer a margaret thatcher? a fan of margaret thatcher? >> well, me. this was >> well, you tell me. this was this surprise. so this was quite a surprise. so the that we think keir the idea is that we think keir starmer is trying appeal to starmer is trying to appeal to the side of his party and the right side of his party and by and to tory voters by giving credit margaret thatcher. but credit to margaret thatcher. but he can't really mean this kind of he doing? of question. what's he doing? >> wouldn't so, >> well, you wouldn't think so, would i mean, he's picked would you? i mean, he's picked the the other side. i the icon of the other side. i know say he flip flops on know we say he flip flops on things , but it is a bit things, but it is a bit unbelievable. i mean, i can't pin him down. >> what he thinks. >> i don't know what he thinks. i don't what he thinks about anything. i mean, i don't necessarily disagree with him. >> celebrating that she >> he's celebrating that she encouraged entrepreneurial spirit. >> rishi coming % coming >> rishi sunak coming out in support guevara or support of che guevara or something like. support of che guevara or son exactly. .ike. support of che guevara or sonexactly. it'sjust support of che guevara or son exactly. it's just i support of che guevara or sonexactly. it'sjust i mean, i >> exactly. it's just i mean, i can't it isn't going to can't believe it isn't going to alienate people would alienate more people that would have previously supported him, that going gain votes. that it's going to gain votes. but i guess this he's

but i guess at this point, he's just so confident that that it doesn't matter. doesn't really matter. >> maybe that's it. maybe he's just thinking, got this in >> maybe that's it. maybe he's justbag. > maybe that's it. maybe he's justbag. i'm, got this in >> maybe that's it. maybe he's justbag. i'm just got this in >> maybe that's it. maybe he's justbag. i'm just going 1is in >> maybe that's it. maybe he's justbag. i'm just going to in >> maybe that's it. maybe he's justbag. i'm just going to say the bag. i'm just going to say some stuff. yeah he's just some crazy stuff. yeah he's just having yeah, having having fun. yeah, he's having a laugh, isn't he? >> no, i think it's actually quite smart because. yeah you've got conservative party got the conservative party who, let's things, let's be fair, are many things, but not conservative. but they're not conservative. they a whole load of they promise a whole load of things that they simply can't they promise a whole load of things ton: they simply can't they promise a whole load of things ton: the'will1ply can't they promise a whole load of things ton: the'will1ply cato deliver on and will refuse to deliver on and will refuse to deliver you. look at deliver on. look at you. look at something illegal something like illegal immigration. of their immigration. each one of their home home office home office home office ministers says ministers comes out and says something going something like, we're going to stop boats. then there's stop the boats. and then there's just boats. so why can't just more boats. so why can't keir starmer identify as liking margaret know? >> it kind of makes sense to me if he was saying, look, this was the first female prime minister and labour is all about progressive that would progressive values, that would kind make to me. but kind of make sense to me. but then always they kind of then they always they kind of gloss over that. nobody in labour is. labour knows what a woman is. >> how that make sense? >> so how would that make sense? >> so how would that make sense? >> well, that's that. no, to be fair, i think keir starmer has worked it out. he? think worked it out. has he? i think he has recently, hasn't he? >> recently. >> he's just very recently. yeah. he'll certainly have yeah. and he'll certainly have it by the time he's

it pinned down by the time he's prime minister. yeah. don't worry about that. >> is it slightly embarrassing cressida labour cressida for the labour party that been three that there have been three female tory pms and. >> no it's certainly inconvenient it. is inconvenient isn't it. it is that. well maybe. that. yeah. yeah. well maybe. >> maybe. keir starmer >> maybe. well keir starmer isn't to things. isn't going to change things. he's he's, he's the he's about, he's, he's the straightest, person straightest, whitest male person in isn't he. basically. >> i think you're being unfair. you're they've had you're saying like they've had three female three prime ministers, female prime maggie, prime ministers look, maggie, you can argue, but she did. you know, she necessary. yes. know, she was necessary. yes. you theresa may you then had theresa may useless. you had liz truss. i've had infections that have had chest infections that have lasted liz truss. lasted longer than liz truss. >> god love her. liz. i feel bad for liz truss. well can you feel bad for liz truss? you know, she just she just tried something out with a budget and look, you know, if keir starmer can try something with, know, something outwith, you know, being idolater margaret being a idolater of margaret thatcher, i'm sitting here with two teachers now, two former teachers now, thatcherites. >> extraordinary. >> this is extraordinary. well, you are. you've just. >> said anyway, look >> you've just said anyway, look , another question. , let's get another question. we've amelia. we've got one from amelia. where's ? where's amelia? >> there too many white >> hi. are there too many white people the bbc? yeah people at the bbc? yeah >> it's disgraceful, isn't it? the whiteness of the bbc. this

is nihal arthanayake , who is is nihal arthanayake, who is a bbc presenter. critic sized. what? he says that when he goes into work , he says that all it into work, he says that all it really affects him. that all he seesis really affects him. that all he sees is white people. um, what do you make of this, frances ? do you make of this, frances? >> well, you know, i had the same experience because went same experience because i went to caribbean restaurant. the to a caribbean restaurant. the other i was the only white other day. i was the only white person in i then had a person in there. i then had a breakdown be taken breakdown and had to be taken out section. out in section. >> well, and, you know, like, i just couldn't it. just couldn't handle it. >> and when i came out of, of the of the of the institution , i the of the of the institution, i sent a strongly worded email to jimmie's chicken shop . and i jimmie's chicken shop. and i actually said, look, i can't i can't be expected to eat my plantain rice and peas without having a white person there. >> i think that's an absolutely fair point. >> yeah, i mean, calms me down, just me out. just chills me out. >> why? >> why? >> i've always mean , i've been >> i've always i mean, i've been making point for while making this point for a while now that i think what's happened with the sort of leftist identitarian movement is we've ended hyper racialized ended up with a hyper racialized society notice race society where people notice race ten more than ever ten times more than they ever did. it's increased the

likelihood racism. it's likelihood of racism. it's increased the propensity of people make racist people to make racist statements. and that's why i don't think the kind don't like it. i think the kind of ideal colour—blind of the ideal of colour—blind ness beautiful, that ness was rather beautiful, that we what we just don't care what you know, don't treat people know, we don't treat people differently . differently. >> and would argue that it is >> and i would argue that it is a racist statement. i mean, fair enough. himself as enough. if he sees himself as a victim he's suffering. well, victim and he's suffering. well, i argue about that. if he i can't argue about that. if he is having mental health issues from people, be from white people, it would be different if the bbc was just staffed by racists. >> like, fair enough. >> i'd be like, fair enough. that's but is that that's not nice. but is that what claiming? is he what he's claiming? is he claiming white claiming that all the white people there are? >> i don't he's gone into >> i don't think he's gone into detail why this gives him detail about why this gives him mental health problems. mean, mental health problems. i mean, as a woman working comedy, as a woman working in comedy, one female. one is often the only female. yeah. you feel about it? yeah. how do you feel about it? oh, my god. it's a fantastic opportunity, isn't it? it means you're likely you're more likely to get booked. i mean, i don't know. >> meant to that >> you're not meant to say that you're meant to say. it's really difficult for women in comedy because for women because it's very hard for women in comedy. >> very for women in >> it's very hard for women in comedy because we're not naturally kidding. comedy because we're not nat|getting kidding. comedy because we're not nat|getting to kidding. comedy because we're not nat|getting to off kidding. comedy because we're not nat|getting to off a kidding. comedy because we're not nat|getting to off a bit.ding. are getting to off a bit. christopher hitchens about christopher hitchens wrote about it anyway. just think i just

it anyway. i just think i just think it's very ungracious think it's a very ungracious thing to say. and i it's very odd. thing to say. and i it's very ocht's bit insulting to his >> it's a bit insulting to his colleagues. think. but anyway, colleagues. i think. but anyway, there let's get another there we go. let's get another question now from shirley. where's shirley? >> cancelling >> should we be cancelling children cultural appropriation? yeah. >> yeah. >> em- 5 this? this week? >> did you see this? this week? i it was amazing. it went i mean, it was amazing. it went it's all over the internet it's gone all over the internet because there's boy, because there's this boy, i think nine year old boy. think he's a nine year old boy. there he is. and he's dressed up. he's obviously a fan of the kansas city chiefs and the chiefs, know, chiefs, obviously, you know, that's is kind that's their symbol is the kind of the headdress the native american indian headdress. and so he wore this and he's made quite an effort, you know, but i even saw people putting up images of him taken from one side that it looked he side so that it looked like he was blackface. but of course, was in blackface. but of course, he wasn't. in the colours he wasn't. he was in the colours of the team. why are they and they're doubling down. why are they're doubling down. why are they a nine old kid? >> because children are really annoying. >> well, i agree with them on that. >> yeah, but the poor boy has made an effort to support his team and he's. why is that offensive? that culturally offensive? is that culturally offensive? is that culturally offensive any shape or form? offensive in any shape or form? >> just because people have

>> it's just because people have they have enough to do . they don't have enough to do. you don't have enough to do. so what you to do? you're what are you going to do? you're going get offended by a nine going to get offended by a nine year in costume. well, i'm year old in costume. well, i'm going to you on this, cressida. >> so let's have a look at this image. now. is this offensive? now, when i was four. >> and so and i really do wish to sincerely apologise to the nonh to sincerely apologise to the north american indian community for my insensitivity . for my insensitivity. >> obe, i think you should apologise to the muppets and big bird. >> i mean, is that is that problematic. >> i think it is now, isn't it? yeah, it is. and we're giving it our time and discussing it. i don't think there was any malice or racist intent in your four year old heart or now. no but that's not what my costume wasn't as impressive as the other boys. >> it wasn't like he put a lot more effort in. to be fair, i should be criticised just for being a bit slovenly. >> well, but that's currently not something in the not something that's in the culture no, that's not culture wars. no, that's not where we go next. >> it's a bit mad, isn't it? anyway, we've got a question now >> it's a bit mad, isn't it? anwaarl. e've got a question now >> it's a bit mad, isn't it? anwaarl. carl. got a question now >> it's a bit mad, isn't it? anwaarl. carl. got carl.estion now

from carl. carl. hi, carl. >> is true ? are the left >> is it true? are the left trying to make excuses for hamas? >> have you i mean, i've noticed this this week. carl, have you noficed this this week. carl, have you noticed this? like, it's kind of. it's going on, which of. yeah it's going on, which way it swings. >> you can. yeah but on stamps and stuff. >> exactly. but it's kind of gross. i mean, we've seen, you know, this horrific know, obviously this horrific pog rom hamas committed on pog rom that hamas committed on october 7 explicitly anti—semitic . you know, that's anti—semitic. you know, that's their it's in their charter to wipe jewish people. and wipe out jewish people. and there's this there's been this weird denialism about what went on or that the extent of it has been overblown . john owen jones did overblown. john owen jones did a video. i mean, he went along and watched that the horrific footage idf had footage that the idf had released you know, he released. and he you know, he started saying, well, there are dead children, but we don't know that they were killed intentionally. where's the proof? there's a woman there who's, know, raped . but who's, you know, been raped. but but but don't see her but he says but we don't see her being so we can't be sure being raped, so we can't be sure that she's been raped. now, wasn't the left all about me, wasn't it the left all about me, too, and believe the too, and about believe the victim and about, know, victim and about, you know, what's on here. what's going on here. >> yeah. five minutes ago, that's heard about? yeah.

that's all we heard about? yeah. i know. it's i'm stunned i don't know. it's i'm stunned that have to give the least that we have to give the least generous a generous interpretation to a nine old's costume. the nine year old's costume. and the most generous interpretation nine year old's costume. and the mchildanerous interpretation nine year old's costume. and the mchild corpse. interpretation nine year old's costume. and the mchild corpse. it'serpretation nine year old's costume. and the mchild corpse. it's just.ation a child corpse. it's just. i don't know how owen jones could sit through that footage. i haven't it, but i've heard haven't seen it, but i've heard it described. yes. and come out of with this calm attitude of it with this calm attitude of, well, need to be sure of of, well, we need to be sure of the facts. what did say that the facts. what he did say that atrocities committed. atrocities were committed. >> the >> he wasn't denying the war crimes. wasn't doing anything crimes. he wasn't doing anything like have give like that. and we have to give him his due on that. we have to be clear about that. but he was saying just wasn't saying that that just wasn't sufficient sexual sufficient evidence of sexual assault. there wasn't assault. and there wasn't evidence that the children were targeted all evidence that the children were target sorts all evidence that the children were target sorts but all evidence that the children were target sorts but there all evidence that the children were target sorts but there is all these sorts of. but there is footage in that of children footage in that of two children being than maimed by a being more than maimed by a grenade. you know, what grenade. and, you know, what goes through your head that you have well, unless have to say, well, unless pictures didn't happen, pictures or it didn't happen, i suppose sentiment. suppose is the sentiment. >> shows people >> but what it shows is people who partisan view of the who have a partisan view of the world. where on the one world. yeah where on the one hand, something if an issue hand, if something if an issue or of their side gets or part of their side gets attacked, then they will scream and and say how and and shout and say how awful and despicable thing is. yes. and shout and say how awful and des|if:able thing is. yes. and shout and say how awful and des|if somebodyhing is. yes. and shout and say how awful and des|if somebody that is. yes. and shout and say how awful and des|if somebody that theyes. but if somebody that they perceive oppressors or

perceive to be oppressors or somebody side of somebody on the wrong side of history gets attacked, it doesn't how egregious doesn't matter how egregious a crime is. then well, we crime is. you then say, well, we need look into it. and need to look into it. and really, you know, we have to think not only about the circumstances, but whether this actually happened and whether it didn't. what you're seeing didn't. and what you're seeing here is bias. that's. >> well , exactly. but that's >> well, exactly. but that's fundamentally seen fundamentally because we've seen we've seen statements from hamas being know, being quoted, you know, authorities gaza say that authorities in gaza say that this of people died, this number of people have died, this people have been this number of people have been made. gaza, made. those authorities in gaza, that's hamas, right now. i'm not saying true false. why saying it's true or false. why can't we exercise some scepticism that? this? scepticism about that? why this? well, right. but well, bias i think is right. but this is interesting. there was a un representative who was asked explicitly this interview to explicitly in this interview to condemn and the condemn hamas and the interviewer you know, interviewer said, you know, why can't call out? what's can't you call them out? what's the here? is what the problem here? this is what the problem here? this is what the representative said. the problem here? this is what the indeed resentative said. the problem here? this is what the indeed ,3sentative said. the problem here? this is what the indeed , u.n.ative said. the problem here? this is what the indeed , u.n. women d. the problem here? this is what the indeed , u.n. women always >> indeed, u.n. women always support impartial, independent investigation into any serious allegations of gender based or sexual violence . and within the sexual violence. and within the un family, these investigations are led by the office of the

high commissioner of human rights. and just to provide a little bit of context in terms of un women's role, un women specifically provides and has extensive knowledge on gender based violence and provides and supports investigations as we do with all un investigations . and with all un investigations. and so consequently in this context and within the un system, it is the independent international commission of inquiry, which for us has the mandate to investigate all alleged violations . violations. >> so through all that verbiage, i think the phrase she was actually looking for was, yes, sexual assaults took place and we condemn it unequivocally and we condemn it unequivocally and we condemn it unequivocally and we condemn hamas. that's what she word. she was kind she was the word. she was kind of couldn't there. you of she couldn't get there. you know, to go through know, she she had to go through that word salad, you know, unbelievable. >> i mean, it was like sitting in a management meeting. just what difficult be, what how difficult can it be, you that swears you know, a group that swears that a genocidal group that says they're going to commit these atrocities again and again that

films their atrocities, puts them boasts them, them out and boasts about them, at what point, more you at what point, what more do you need condemn people? need to condemn these people? i don't know. you wonder what i would like to give her a drink and her a party and say, and see her a party and say, would really think? because would you really think? because i believe would you really think? because i that's believe would you really think? because i that's what believe would you really think? because i that's what thatelieve would you really think? because i that's what that woman that that's what that woman actually that that's what that woman act|no,r that that's what that woman act|no, i mean, absolutely. it's >> no, i mean, absolutely. it's maddening. anyway, we're going to move on to question to move on to another question from debbie. where's debbie? hello. should the hello. hi. yeah, should the irish ashamed their white privilege? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> there was a video that went this way recently. lots of irish politicians. and there's a real issue irish government politicians. and there's a real issthe irish government politicians. and there's a real issthe moment.'ish government politicians. and there's a real issthe moment. thejovernment politicians. and there's a real issthe moment. the political�*nt at the moment. the political class. they hyper woke, you class. they are hyper woke, you know. you think it's here. know. you think it's bad here. they are you know, above they are just, you know, above sort sansom milo and sort of jamie sansom milo and jones level, right? they are completely and they've completely extreme and they've been talking about their white privilege the need for privilege and the need for racial quotas. let's have a look at this. >> well, it's true the >> well, it's true that the irish have known a fair share of oppression. is oppression. the reality is dunng oppression. the reality is during that oppression, we still maintained our air invisibility cloak of white privilege , and we cloak of white privilege, and we often hear about white privilege . and it hadn't really occurred

to me that i had white privilege as well. but now, listening to you, i understand that i do have a privilege. >> i think we shouldn't forget that our parliament still looks very , very stale and pale . very male, very stale and pale. that's what i think about all the victims of the potato famine. >> they were so privileged . you >> they were so privileged. you know, when my ancestors were massacred, they're always banging on about it, don't you? >> well, i'm sorry. all roads lead back to potato with your voice. >> now, actually , i'm trying to >> now, actually, i'm trying to cut down on the cards, but the problem is, you know, like massacres in drogheda. oliver cromwell , i massacres in drogheda. oliver cromwell, i don't think you can say that the irish have had a particularly sunny time of things. right. i don't think you can say it's about privilege. >> it's just saying, you >> no, it's just saying, you know, irish know, everybody knows that irish history is dreadful and miserable, which is why the irish have left for generation upon generation in other countries. >> that's absolutely right. >> that's absolutely right. >> it's like going to the russians and going, yeah, those boys are cheerful. they've had a great time, haven't they? you just go, you must be so stupid to think that the irish have had

privilege. >> i know it's . >> i know it's. >> i know it's. >> and during their oppression, when she said that even during the what's going on with the irish parliament, i mean i just irish parliament, i mean ijust think they're bit mad aren't think they're a bit mad aren't they? to me it does sound mad and i especially object to quotas. know, soon as you quotas. you know, as soon as you say. right, 1 in be say. right, 1 in 10 must be this. time that gets this. then every time that gets the job, everyone thinks, well, we why you're here. i find we know why you're here. i find it undermining and patronising. >> well, i think me, >> well, that's i think for me, that's thing about it. that's the worst thing about it. it is patronising. they are patronising minority groups. they're they're trying patronising minority groups. ththey're. they're trying patronising minority groups. ththey're. hatethey're trying patronising minority groups. ththey're. hatethey'rii'dying to they're. i'd hate that. i'd hate get a job on hate the idea to get a job on the basis of a quota, you know? exactly >> i mean, you can't do anything about it because even if you were the best person for the job at that now we'll never at that point, now we'll never know the waters been know because the waters been muddied. so there's actually now zero could zero chance that you could be the it. the best. i hate it. >> you ever got a job on >> have you ever got a job on the basis of latino? the basis of being latino? >> no, no. no one believes me. >> no one believes you. no. even though even though my mum's from venezuela fluent in venezuela and i'm fluent in spanish, no one believes me. no, they it.

they don't believe it. >> don't? >> they don't? >> they don't? >> because that shows >> well, because that just shows what racism is really like. andrew, apologise. what racism is really like. anchu apologise. what racism is really like. anchu apol(apologise on >> you should apologise on behalf of the white people. make >> okay, well, i'll cover >> okay, well, look, i'll cover your mouth. >> a comedy show. no i'm chinese. >> don't berate the audience. they'll be kind enough to turn up. this typical of up. oh, this is so typical of you people. and i don't mean venezuelans. right right. next you people. and i don't mean veron jelans. right right. next you people. and i don't mean veronjelarspeech right. next you people. and i don't mean veron jelarspeech nation,next you people. and i don't mean veron jelarspeech nation, i'm up on free speech nation, i'm going talking to the going to be talking to the author of an important book which the lid on how the which lifts the lid on how the wealthy taken wealthy and powerful have taken to to stifle to using our courts to stifle free speech. don't go anywhere

up. you're listening to gb news radio show . radio show. >> yeah, i know. >> yeah, i know. >> i've just finished it. >> i've just finished it. >> yeah, i mean . welcome back to >> yeah, i mean. welcome back to free speech nation. >> with me, andrew doyle. strategic lawsuits against pubuc strategic lawsuits against public participation. also known as slapps, have become a worrying part of the legal landscape in recent years. usually instigated by the rich and the powerful. their objective is to gag any potential critics of their conduct by forcing them into a protracted and expensive legal

dispute. and regrettably, the uk has become the world's top destination for these assaults on free speech. the media lawyer david hooper has written a book, buying silence how oligarchs, corporations and plutocrats use the law to gag their critics. and david joins me now. welcome to the show. thank you very much, david. >> i'm very interested in this subject because a lot of rich people i've heard about oligarchs in london effectively throwing a lot of money at via the courts through their lawyers to keep people quiet, just their critics . critics. >> is that what's going is that really going on? yes. >> so when you bring a libel action, you're meant to do it because you want to protect your reputation. >> yes. and to prove that something about you something is said about you was false perhaps get some false and perhaps to get some damage is to mark the gravity. but guys were doing it but these guys were doing it because they'd been sanctioned or been indicted or because they'd been indicted in or just because in the states or just because they did want you they basically did not want you to it . so you've to know about it. so you've got drugs companies going after individuals . as one old scottish individuals. as one old scottish professor. yes. who showed that

their drug trials were a fraud, it was classic slapp case. >> and is the is the idea here that if you throw enough money at something because these people have so much money, they don't even if they lose at the end of the process, doesn't end of the process, it doesn't really matter because they've put critics put off other potential critics because they see what's going on. think, well, don't on. they think, well, i don't want to be sued. yes >> well, great mistake is to >> well, the great mistake is to think that of ukraine think that because of ukraine war, russians have gone war, all the russians have gone away. mean, true, too. away. i mean, that is true, too. obviously certain extent. obviously to a certain extent. but goes on. and the but it still goes on. and the case has just ended against a former mp where she was sued over a memorandum sent to 13 people and the cost must have been about 3 or 4 million. if it had gone to trial, it would have been 7 million and it it's not just the money. i mean the strain that's put on you, she was put under surveillance. they had bad sort of they they they even took photographs of her dog as well as the dog is a risk. well, the dog was used to

identify it because they were interested and to find out whether she was living with somebody or not, it's kind of tricky, though, isn't it? >> you know, there >> because, you know, there comes point there has to be comes a point there has to be some is going to some some there is going to be some legitimate criticism of rich and powerful but there's powerful people. but there's also going to be slander. there's be liable. there's also going to be liable. there's also going to be liable. there's also going to be unfair, not just criticism, but but outright about people. outright lies about people. don't people have a right, however are, to however rich they are, to protect against just protect themselves against just defamatory because press protect themselves against just defamobviouslercause press protect themselves against just defam obviously get use press protect themselves against just defam obviously get ite press protect themselves against just defam obviously get it wrong. ress do do obviously get it wrong. and sometimes they're and yes, sometimes they're inclined to think that because this chap's made so much money, he must a crook. and there he must be a crook. and there are are other reasons why are there are other reasons why people . but, i mean, people get rich. but, i mean, what i'm saying is that there should be a level playing field because i agree entirely. rich people obviously are entitled to their reputation, but so too are poor or not. not poor people , poor or not. not poor people, you and i. yes and we just can't get a look in. no, but it's expensive , isn't it? expensive, isn't it? >> i mean, i've seen examples of where, for example, when people smear j.k. rowling as a fascist, smearj.k. rowling as a fascist, which she absolutely is not. in

fact, she's the opposite. of course, she's very anti fascism. and, you know, she will get a lawyer's to someone lawyer's letter sent to someone and, , in a few days and, you know, in a few days you see up saying, see a notice up saying, i apologise for what i said to j.k. rowling. and then she gets accused stifling people's accused of stifling people's free but lied free speech, but they've lied about i think that's about her. and i think that's fair. if you've good fair. if you've got a good claim, bring it. >> i'm that the cases >> i'm i'm saying that the cases should inexpensive, lviv easy should be inexpensive, lviv easy to and that everybody to bring. and that everybody should put their cards on the table because what people really want is justice and cheap want is swift justice and cheap justice. yes. and if you cap the costs, i mean, because a lot of this is driven by the greed of these lawyers and they they make these lawyers and they they make these cases unduly complicated because i was a media lawyer for, well, the best part of 50 years. and a great secret is it's not actually that complicated , really. but the complicated, really. but the language would suggest it is very expensive . yeah. very expensive. yeah. >> so you're suggesting a cap on costs so that well level playing field so you can criticise someone who's very, very powerful. and if they do bring a

case against you, you can it's affordable to defend yourself . affordable to defend yourself. >> absolutely. and i'm also saying that right at the beginning of the case, but you should put it before the judge and the judge decide is, is it really necessary for this case? this is assuming that it's a big pubuc this is assuming that it's a big public interest case. yes. yes. you weigh up how likely how important is it that he that he has a remedy and that he sues against, which is which is why libel actions are a bit different from the average commercial dispute. it's the right of freedom of speech. and also your right to information. >> so can you give us any particular examples of where a slapp has been imposed and there's been an injustice? well there's been an injustice? well the most scandalous one was mr pfidgen the most scandalous one was mr pridgen in the head of wagner, who it was named perfectly well. >> he'd been sanctioned and he'd even been indicted in the states for it. but he decided that, and he found english lawyers only too happy to take his rubles to

sue, saying that he had nothing at all to do with the with the wagner group and also with the troll factory . troll factory. >> so are you suggesting that that's a case that was a kind of open and shut case, but he took it on anyway? is that what you. >> absolutely. and the awful thing that there are always thing is that there are always lawyers who are willing to take it what saying i'm it and what i'm saying and i'm supported by this by the solicitors regulatory authority is that people should really look into whether whether the case is a complete false case, are you suggesting that lawyers are you suggesting that lawyers are interested in money? >> because that strikes me as an outrageous comment. >> well, a luckily, if you sort of say it of a large enough wide group, so if we don't name names, no , i mean i mean, some names, no, i mean i mean, some of them are just straightforward, greedy . straightforward, greedy. >> and yes, we hear of ambulance chasers and we hear of like lawyers who are just basically they'll take on any case as long as they can make money out of

it, irrespective of the ethics behind the case. you know. well that's a lot of that's right, because a lot of them specialists and they them are specialists and they are inclined to look at are rather inclined to look at you say, well, that's you and say, well, that's £100,000 walking in the door. >> yes , it was very often people >> yes, it was very often people really would be you don't have to sue for every bad thing said about you. and most of a bad thing said about people have an element of truth in it. yes so actually, a good lawyer would element of truth in it. yes so actu wella good lawyer would element of truth in it. yes so actu well , good lawyer would element of truth in it. yes so actu well , it's�*d lawyer would element of truth in it. yes so actuwell , it's marginal,vould element of truth in it. yes so actuwell , it's marginal, butd say, well, it's marginal, but you perhaps shouldn't shouldn't bother. >> well, that's that would be the right approach. i mean, you know , this is the balance with know, this is the balance with freedom of speech, isn't it? you know, if i everyone who know, if i sued everyone who says about me, says something nasty about me, well, no money left, well, i'd have no money left, actually, it happens actually, because it happens every ten minutes, if every day, every ten minutes, if i'm honest, on social, assuming they'd always win. >> i'm assuming always win. >> yeah. no but, you know, >> yeah. yeah. no but, you know, even completely even when it's completely unjust, i just think i'll just block them and move on, you know, you can't your whole block them and move on, you knotrying can't your whole block them and move on, you knotrying to n't your whole block them and move on, you knotrying to address your whole block them and move on, you knotrying to address what' whole life trying to address what idiots about you. you know? idiots say about you. you know? you do that, can idiots say about you. you know? you know? do that, can you know? >> i mean, it is a dreadful thing to be on the receiving end

of a libel. i, funnily enough, have been sued by somebody in greece simply statement greece simply for a statement that court. and when i that i made in court. and when i gave of superior gave evidence of greek superior supreme court and i've had a writ from him in greece wanting ,300,000, which is far more that writ from him in greece wanting ,300,1you which is far more that writ from him in greece wanting ,300,1you won:h is far more that writ from him in greece wanting ,300,1you won the far more that you'd win, even if you won the case. and he also says that i've committed criminal perjury, criminal perjury , criminal libel and perjury, which i think renders me liable for three years in jail. wow okay. it'sjust for three years in jail. wow okay. it's just purely to intimidate me. >> yes, of course. well, this is the problem is that the way in which courts can be used can be weaponized, i would against weaponized, i would say against people because it is intimidating. you know, you get a through the post, a letter through the post, a very looking letter a letter through the post, a very a looking letter a letter through the post, a very a lawyer,oking letter a letter through the post, a very a lawyer, and] letter a letter through the post, a very a lawyer, and it's:ter from a lawyer, and it's frightening. and the overall effect i suppose, is effect of that, i suppose, is self—censorship media self—censorship for most media outlets, for most ordinary people . people. >> you're absolutely right, because , you you hear because, you know, you hear about cases that go about the big cases that go to court. what don't hear about court. what you don't hear about is it's the tip of the iceberg . is it's the tip of the iceberg. yes. you don't hear about the eighth, 8/9 or whatever it is underwater . yes. where people

underwater. yes. where people just say, well , we can't really just say, well, we can't really write about this guy. he's always issuing writs. let's write a nice a nice kc story about bread and butter and. exactly. >> and of course, the whole point of the media is partly to hold the powerful to account. but if people are so powerful that you dare not do it because they might bankrupt you, then then doesn't really then democracy doesn't really work, then democracy doesn't really worwell, that's right. and it >> well, that's right. and it isn't just about politics. i mean, if there is a dangerous drug on the market, it like musa qala drugs, the opioid drugs or halcion, which was a sleeping sleeping pill, i mean, people people were dying in industrial quantities . yes. as a result of quantities. yes. as a result of these drugs . and people should these drugs. and people should should know about it. they should. >> so what can be done? i mean, ultimately, it is difficult because you know, we have the laws are the way they are. can they be changed to achieve what you achieve , which is you want to achieve, which is this level playing idea? this level playing field idea? >> could be changed

>> i think they could be changed very you really very easily because you really want at the outset the judge to say, does this case really have to go on or is there some way of resolving it? yes. but i think most people would feel that's a pretty pretty fair outcome because they're not always going to cases out. to sling the cases out. >> okay . well, david hooper, >> okay. well, david hooper, your called buying your book is called buying silence. that's available silence. and that's available now to buy. i'd urge everyone to buy it. david hooper everyone, thank very much . and next on thank you very much. and next on free speech nation , we're going free speech nation, we're going to be speaking to a campaigner who retired from his job last year partly to try and raise awareness of the impact of gender ideology in wales. see you .

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we're going to help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas. so email us at so please do email us at gbviews@gbnews.com we'll do gbviews@gbnews.com and we'll do our best to answer your personal problems . my guest problems. so my next guest retired from his job as a software engineer last year, partly raise partly to try and raise awareness of impact of awareness of the impact of gender in wales gender ideology in wales particular in the area of welsh education. nigel thorn creates youtube videos under the name turfan man and founded the website. what is a woman? .uk he's particularly concerned about the impact that judith butler's gender theory has had on the rsa code and guidance, which is mandatory for every publicly funded school in wales. so nigel thorn is here to join me now. nigel so what is it about wales? i've covered on this show some of the teaching materials that are going on in welsh schools that are approved by welsh politicians. so ideologically driven, you know , ideologically driven, you know, telling that there telling children that there are over genders, talking about over 100 genders, talking about the idea that you can be born in the idea that you can be born in the wrong body, talking about

the wrong body, talking about the idea that it's possible to change sex when it is biologically impossible do. biologically impossible to do. so quasi religion in so it's like a quasi religion in schools. is. schools. it is. >> think you have to >> and i think you have to understand when comes to understand when it comes to gender ideology, it gender identity, ideology, it was leo sapir , who's from the was leo sapir, who's from the manhattan institute , who said manhattan institute, who said there's two components to it, to philosophical positions which are mutually incompatible. >> and one is this what he calls gender identity essentialism, this belief that all have this belief that we all have this belief that we all have this gender identity, this belief that we all have this is gender identity, this belief that we all have this is pusheder identity, this belief that we all have this is pushed by dentity, this belief that we all have this is pushed by stonewall on which is pushed by stonewall on training courses . but there's training courses. but there's something which is much more covert, which people don't talk about, and that is the queer theory that lies underneath it. and in particular judith butler. and in particularjudith butler. and in particularjudith butler. and without going into too much depth , there's a bunch of depth, there's a bunch of academics who think that for political purposes is a very good thing to disseminate. teaching that downplays the significance of biological sex and elevate the significance of and elevate the significance of a personal gender. and judith butler talks about gender being performed. you perform the role of a boy. you perform the role of a boy. you perform the role

of a boy. you perform the role of a girl. and that's what makes you a boy or a girl is what you perform. >> so that's the way her theories have been interpreted. and i find that very strange because, butler says there is no gender there kind gender identity. there are kind of enacted performances that relate to gender stereotypes, that illusion that give the illusion of a gender identity. but queer theorists taken that to theorists have taken that to mean have a gendered mean that we have a gendered soul is fixed. this is soul that is fixed. now, this is not to tell children, is it? >> it is not good to tell children this. no, absolutely right. and it is having you see what what is going on in what is what is going on in wales. you can see the influence of theory on the of queer theory on the relationships and sexuality education . yes. so that's education code. yes. so that's mandatory for every publicly funded school in wales . now, funded school in wales. now, there's no mention in the code of the words male or female , boy of the words male or female, boy or girl, man or woman, because in judith butler's gender trouble, it says the category of sex is a name that enslaves so , sex is a name that enslaves so, so these people really do think talking about sex is a bad thing . we should talk about gender instead. a personal gender. okay >> but this is very bad for gay

rights, for instance, because gay rights are predicated on the idea that some people are innately attracted to members of their own if there is no their own sex. if there is no such thing as sex, is such thing as sex, this is erodes such thing as sex, this is ero�*it's very for gay rights, >> it's very bad for gay rights, but also bad for kids who but it's also bad for kids who are non—conforming . are gender non—conforming. because rationalise because because we rationalise through the through language. so what the guidance is, is that guidance tells us is, is that gender now is an identity . okay? gender now is an identity. okay? so children will not be taught the gender is a synonym for sex. they will be taught that gender is an identity. be so a word that was an objective truth has been redefined as a subjective feeling. now we all rationalise using language and children rationalise their feelings, using language so there's no doubt that in my mind and in the minds of plenty of others, that those gender non—conforming boys and girls who don't fit into the stereotypical boy or girl, if they feel a bit left out or a bit different , they will bit different, they will rationalise those feelings by subscribing to the belief that they have a gender that doesn't

match their sex. okay. >> and of course we've seen the problems with that with the tavistock clinic in the uk, which course is going to be which of course is going to be closed any moment now. yeah, because cass review found because as the cass review found , this is actually a , this is this is actually a danger to gender non—conforming kids. now, what is kids. absolutely. now, what is it about wales? we've had a lot of pushback in england against gender ideology gender identity, ideology in wales. seems to be completely wales. it seems to be completely embedded . embedded. >> why there is a raft of groups that are trying to talk to the welsh government and a lot not being listened to. right. and those groups include lgb alliance . comfrey, maregwede alliance. comfrey, maregwede cumbrae, who are documenting the impact of this on the ground in schools. so there are reports of boys sharing showers with girls and boys, sharing sleeping accommodation with girls and kids being socially transitioned without their parents knowledge . without their parents knowledge. all this is going on. that's document by mark cameron. >> now this is this is very dodgy ground because schools have a responsible duty to provide single sex toilet facilities, bathroom facilities. provide single sex toilet faciliti a , bathroom facilities. provide single sex toilet faciliti a legalroom facilities. provide single sex toilet faciliti a legal obligation, ies. provide single sex toilet faciliti a legal obligation, isn't it?

>> well , you it? >> well, you would think so if you reading the equality act and all the rest of it in the proper way. >> but i guess this has become so embedded. people really do think or some people really do think or some people really do think that the fact you identify as a boy makes you a boy. the fact you identify as a girl makes you a girl. >> but that, as i say, is a quasi religious belief. and it is a political belief. it is. now, the problem here is kemi badenoch stood up in parliament, made clear critical made it very clear that critical race promotion of race theory, the promotion of critical theory schools race theory, the promotion of critiiagainsttheory schools race theory, the promotion of critiiagainst the)ry schools race theory, the promotion of critiiagainst the law schools race theory, the promotion of critiiagainst the law because it was against the law because it violates the education act. yeah how it not? surely it's the how is it not? surely it's the case and i know this hasn't been tested court, but surely it's tested in court, but surely it's the that the promotion of the case that the promotion of gender ideology, gender identity, ideology, a belief system not grounded in reality or science, is also against law , isn't well, against the law, isn't it? well, against the law, isn't it? well, a case taken. a court case was taken. >> government >> the welsh government were taken last year. public taken to court last year. public child protection wales took them to court and gender theory was one that one of the things that complained now that complained about it. now that wasn't successful , but one of wasn't successful, but one of the judge did say that that that

schools cannot promote beliefs that contradict the beliefs, the philosophical and religious beliefs of parents. right. so there should be there should be that that could could put a stop to this with the belief that biological sex is immutable is actually protected by law. >> we know that since the maya forstater case. right. so they are groundwork for are laying the groundwork for future as and all future court cases as and all sorts of problems here, aren't they? >> you would think so. you would think so. the problem i mean, they've got trans the welsh government committed to government are committed to provide guidance. provide transgender guidance. yes was supposed to be yes that was supposed to be published at this last summer. so that's been delayed until next june now. and schools are just working off transgender toolkits that have been created by activists. so that's why and these activists are are saying things like, i mean, one of the toolkits, i think, which is from the vale of glamorgan, said that just because this trans boy , just because this trans boy, this assigned male at birth , a this assigned male at birth, a male, has the body of a boy, he

is a girl in every other way. okay and you think, well, this makes no sense at all now, of course not. >> now that's the problem, isn't it? maybe with all these activist groups like stonewall, like mermaids coming into schools and promoting their ideology it were true, ideology as though it were true, as uncontested and as though it was uncontested and the because sounds the schools, because it sounds very the very complex. a lot of the teachers headmasters and teachers and headmasters and headmistresses, they don't understand think, understand it. so they think, well, and well, we'll just try and be inclusive. just trying inclusive. we're just trying to be we're for equality. be nice. we're all for equality. and they get hoodwinked, they get hoodwinked and the boundanes boundaries are completely dissolved the problem. so girls are suffering gay >> so girls are suffering gay children suffering of children are suffering. of course, children course, autistic children are suffering because they're very vulnerable well . so it is vulnerable as well. so it is a category of children . and we category of children. and we know this from time to think. yes, the book about the tavistock that there were there are some children who will be particularly susceptible to this belief system. yes. that's gay children or gender non—conforming children. that's autistic children . that's looked autistic children. that's looked after children and the evidence is all there. so why this is still being pushed is extraordinary. but the welsh

government will not talk to groups. >> i suppose it's because it's a belief system that doesn't care about evidence and actually. well, i mean, i think that's true. the evidence is overwhelming and incontestable really at this point. >> you would think so. >> you would think so. >> religious belief >> it's a religious belief system. now, what will come out? i they've dug so i mean, they've dug a hole so deep, i'm quite sure how deep, i'm not quite sure how they're going to backtrack, but maybe they will hopefully reverse ferret when this new transgender comes out. transgender guidance comes out. >> well, we'll keep an eye on what the welsh government are doing because think is very doing because i think it is very disturbing. nigel thorne, thank you much joining you very much for joining me. thank you. and still come on thank you. and still to come on free nation, hollywood free speech nation, hollywood stars to demand a stars are quick to demand a ceasefire east. ceasefire in the middle east. but are intentions pure or but are their intentions pure or do just raise their do they just want to raise their profile? we'll discuss that after

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nation. with me , andrew doyle, nation. with me, andrew doyle, one of the less serious aspects of the tragic violence in the middle east has been the slew of celebrities queuing up to call for peace in a very public manner. sex and the city star cynthia nixon led the way this week by taking part in a five day hunger strike in demand of a ceasefire. although critics pointed that her commitment pointed out that her commitment to the cause was undermined by the only managed of the fact she only managed two of the fact she only managed two of the so are we being the five days, so are we being cynical if we occasionally doubt the motivations of these well—meaning hollywood do gooders, should get back gooders, or should they get back to mansions and leave to their mansions and leave things this to the united things like this to the united nations? live nations? well, joining me live from new york to discuss this, the journalist the entertainment journalist and author nelson aspen. nelson welcome to the show. so this hunger strike only two days out of five. i mean, it's a well—intentioned gesture, isn't it? but it's very easy to mock. >> yes, well, of course it is , >> yes, well, of course it is, because a two day fast is just like an intermittent diet craze or a cleanse. it certainly isn't

the five day hunger strike that other people were participating in. and now don't get me wrong, i love cynthia on sex and the city, but she has difficulty reading the room . she tried reading the room. she tried unsuccessfully to run for the governorship of new york state and failed. she resurrected her character on the sex and the city reboot and took it way , city reboot and took it way, way, way woke and her die hard fans rejected that interpretation . and so she interpretation. and so she failed there. and i don't quite understand the celebrity need to be heard. of course you can have a position. this is a free country. you can have any position you like, but the desire to have to get up on a soapbox and talk about it, she could have just marched. she could have just marched. she could have just been hungry. i don't understand why would could have just been hungry. i don't thaterstand why would could have just been hungry. i don't that she nd why would could have just been hungry. i don't that she actually would could have just been hungry. i don't that she actually hasvould could have just been hungry. i don't that she actually has the d think that she actually has the power influence people power to influence people because her celebrity status because of her celebrity status and this is the problem is now, i think a lot of a lot of celebrities aren't very politically sophisticated. >> and they have been given >> and but they have been given granted this huge, huge platform . some them . and i think some of them do think that they a think that they have a responsibility to use that

platform for good. it's just that of them are a bit that some of them are a bit thick. well, you say you say use their platforms for good. >> and look at gal gadot known as wonder woman. she's an israeli citizen and she has been very verbal and active in her pro—israel stance . so you can pro—israel stance. so you can understand with that because that that's her that's her country and she has been marvellous about that. so it really is interesting to see, but really , who cares who but really, who cares who listens to a celebrity? i think it's also interesting to point out that after the six day war in israel in 1967, the hollywood bowl was sold out over capacity and the likes of frank sinatra and the likes of frank sinatra and barbra streisand were there in support of israel. so you know, it's kind of like this weird trend. and now the trend has been for a lot of these artists is to go pro—palestine an and it's very distressing. >> do you think, though, just to just to play devil's advocate a little bit, do you think maybe it's because there under a lot of pressure to seen to say

of pressure to be seen to say the thing? i mean, the right thing? i mean, i recall taylor swift getting in a lot of trouble for not condemning trump and condemning donald trump and people saying why is she so silent donald trump? does silent on donald trump? does that a secret donald that mean she's a secret donald trump you know, there's trump fan? you know, there's that well, that kind of pressure as well, isn't there? >> absolutely. that's why >> absolutely. and that's why they pay publicists and managers >> absolutely. and that's why tifortune publicists and managers >> absolutely. and that's why tifortune to 3licists and managers >> absolutely. and that's why tifortune to help ts and managers >> absolutely. and that's why tifortune to help guide managers >> absolutely. and that's why tifortune to help guide them.]ers a fortune to help guide them. and get into a lot of and they get into a lot of trouble when they just start speaking extemporaneously. they really a script, not really do need a script, not just at work , but off work as just at work, but off work as well . well. >> can i ask you about your new book? your book is called dancing between the raindrops. book? your book is called danyyou between the raindrops. book? your book is called danyyou tellveen the raindrops. book? your book is called danyyou tell us n the raindrops. book? your book is called danyyou tell us a the raindrops. book? your book is called danyyou tell us a little aindrops. book? your book is called danyyou tell us a little bitirops. can you tell us a little bit about that? >> i can. it's a semi—autobiographical novel about the 1980s here in new york city. and i say semi—autobiographical because i confess , i can't remember confess, i can't remember everything. if i fictionalise everything. so if i fictionalise it a little bit, gives me it a little bit, it gives me a little of dramatic license . little bit of dramatic license. but it is about the times here in the 1980s in new york city. i like to think of it as a sweeter time. even though we were all living here under the spectre of aids that was prevalent then. but, know, when you're

but, you know, when you're young, every every time is happy. when you're young and healthy running around healthy and running around discovering life, there are a lot celebrity connections. lot of celebrity connections. princess diana figures heavily into the plot of dancing between the raindrops. because i was hired to train princess diana in that hot new workout of the 80s step. step aerobics. and i was brought to london. and that actually kicked off my career in morning television that lasted for three decades. so yeah, there are some royal connections in the book as well. fans tastic. >> nelson osmond, thank you so much for joining >> nelson osmond, thank you so much forjoining me tonight. much for joining me tonight. i mean, it is tricky, isn't it? you know, i do feel sorry for some of the celebrities, but, you know, but they are, generally speaking, not that smart politically, are they? >> know, no, they're not. >> you know, no, they're not. but she that because but and she i love that because she tried for a five day fast and she managed to. yeah, exactly. >> there's something so rubbish about that, isn't there. there was politician it was a politician in i think it was a politician in i think it was who tried for he was in dc. who tried for he only lasted for eight hours. i think you know, which is just what happens when you to

think you know, which is just what iisn'tens when you to think you know, which is just what iisn't it. when you to sleep isn't it. >> yeah, exactly . >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> brilliant. i mean. >> brilliant. i mean. >> well, you think >> well, do you think celebrities should just keep their shut when it comes their mouths shut when it comes to sort stuff, or at to this sort of stuff, or at least have a chat with their publicist first? >> maybe? yeah. yeah publicist first? >> but'be? yeah. yeah publicist first? >> but rememberyeah mix >> but remember when little mix criticised the government criticised the uk government about campaign ? i about the syrian campaign? i mean, that day mean, that was that was a day goes i don't reflect on goes by when i don't reflect on that but see that kind of that yeah but i see that kind of thing and i think you know just sing your bad songs. i don't need you to. don't you to need you to. i don't need you to talk can go on to. talk about. i can go on to. >> well exactly. yeah. and i mean, i don't know what she's read. judge her, but read. i shouldn't judge her, but i she's not an expert in i assume she's not an expert in the middle east. no, absolutely. >> and it is such a complicated subject, i think subject, you know, so i think wouldn't better for them wouldn't it be better for them in interest just to in their own interest just to steer i would have steer clear? i would have thought. >> well, i mean, this is it. but i think the problem is, is that they massive they get such a massive platform. i think i've got platform. yeah, i think i've got to something. to say something. >> yeah. well, it's also >> well, yeah. well, it's also that they kind feel they're that they kind of feel they're emboldened. like emboldened. they feel like they're important all of a sudden. because they're sudden. yeah, because they're surrounded by people saying, how wonderful the city too. why

>> and six in the city too. why shouldn't she have an opinion on hamas? >> i think having sex in >> i think having done sex in the too, she should be the city, too, she should be quiet forever to be honest. anyway, more come anyway, lots more to come tonight on free speech nation. we're going be about we're going to be talking about various and various issues and cressida and francis some more francis will answer some more questions this delightful questions from this delightful studio so do studio audience. so please do not anywhere. not go anywhere. >> brighter outlook boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening . welcome to your >> good evening. welcome to your latest weather update from gb news. i'm ellie glaisyer. it's been a very cloudy and damp day for much of england and wales today, but jaya and brighter across much of scotland and northern pressure northern ireland. low pressure sits out towards the south—west, slowly moving its towards us slowly moving its way towards us through evening into through this evening and into the the new working the start of the new working week , bringing it some very week, bringing with it some very strong and some heavy strong winds and some heavy rainfall as well. overnight tonight, rainfall turning tonight, this rainfall turning tonight, this rainfall turning to the hills of to snow across the hills of wales. of northern wales. parts of northern england as snowfall as well, seeing some snowfall building early hours building up into the early hours of morning, a much of monday morning, but a much milder the milder night across the southwest east, drier, colder across parts of northern ireland

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democratic members of congress . democratic members of congress. police have confirmed a death in freezing conditions after the body of a man was found in a car in nottingham describing the incident as tragic. they say they're investigating the circumstances but are not treating it as suspicious. well meanwhile, around 2500 people in cumbria could be without power until late this evening after heavy snow . electricity, heavy snow. electricity, north—west says repairs are underway following significant damage to the network, with engineers battling treacherous conditions . ian's weather conditions. ian's weather warnings for snow and ice remain in place for many parts of the united kingdom . a british owned united kingdom. a british owned cargo vessel has reportedly been hit by at least two drones, while in the red sea near yemen. the pentagon says it's also aware of reports regarding attacks on an american warship in the area. yemeni houthis say they've been targeting two israeli vessels . israel's

israeli vessels. israel's military says the ships had no connection to them back here, commuters have faced a second day of travel chaos as train drivers staged their second day of strikes. aslef union members launched a series of walkouts in their dispute over pay. great northern thameslink and avanti west coast trains have been cancelled and chiltern railways and west midlands railway services are also affected . some services are also affected. some international news and a suspect international news and a suspect in the killing of a german tourist in paris had pledged allegiance to islam state. the prosecutor confirmed that the 26 year old said this in a video posted on social media before the attack . a man was killed and the attack. a man was killed and two people, including a british tourist, injured in a knife and hammer attack near the eiffel tower . the french president tower. the french president described it as a terrorist attack. 26 year old french national has been arrested in 2016. he was sentenced to four

years in prison for planning another other such attack in the us . four people, another other such attack in the us. four people, including another other such attack in the us . four people, including two us. four people, including two children, have been killed following a stabbing at a home in new york. two police officers were also attacked before shooting the suspect said to be a family member. patrick hendry is president of the nyc police benevolent association. this scene was chaos . scene was chaos. >> multiple victims , a house on >> multiple victims, a house on fire and a mad man on a rampage on a mission. and thankfully , on a mission. and thankfully, all that these police officers showed up . imagine what could showed up. imagine what could have happened if these police officers weren't there. this mad man tried to kill after he killed others . a new york city killed others. a new york city police officer . the skill that police officer. the skill that this police officer had shooting and stopping the threat after he was being stabbed , this is gb was being stabbed, this is gb news across the uk on tv, in

your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now straight back to free speech nation . to free speech nation. >> welcome back to the second hour of free speech nation and despite the cold weather, we've got this studio audience here. >> well done for coming out. let's keep them busy, get some more questions. our first question from kerry. hi, question comes from kerry. hi, kerry. this the end for twitter ? >> is this the end for twitter? >> is this the end for twitter? >> haha there's been this >> haha well, there's been this viral video of elon musk and obviously with x now, isn't it? it's called x and he effectively was. well, he was being grilled about advertising boycotts of twitter or x sorry . and he has twitter or x sorry. and he has this message to advertisers who are trying to blackmail him into censoring certain accounts. let's have a look . let's have a look. >> if somebody's going to try to blackmail me with advertising,

blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money, go f yourself . yourself. >> but go yourself . >> but go yourself. >> but go yourself. >> is that clear ? >> is that clear? >> is that clear? >> is that clear? >> i mean, it's quite astonishing. the interviewer was so shocked because effectively he's just ditched millions of dollars in that in that statement , dollars in that in that statement, hasn't he? because the likes of disney and all the rest of it are already boycotting him unfairly? i think accusing him of anti—semitism and all sorts of preposterous things. there is the point things. but there is the point that, you know, elon musk has taken over twitter and he's a lot of accounts have been able to come back. he's sorted out a lot of the problems, a lot of the political censorship that was on twitter more was going on on twitter more than you know, when than we thought. you know, when the twitter files came out, it's very partisan very scary. see partisan collusion with government agencies, collusion with government agenc on. he's cleaned up the going on. he's cleaned up the act on twitter. but a lot of people are upset because, you know, groups disney, they know, groups like disney, they want censorship on that platform, don't they? >> they do, >> well, of course they do, because agree with and because they agree with it. and therefore saw he came in to therefore saw when he came in to clean up to try and make

clean it up to try and make twitter fairer and more balanced, then they didn't want that. >> so isn't it quite good that he's like rich he's prepared like he's rich enough to have f—you money, as they to be able to say, enough to have f—you money, as they know, to be able to say, enough to have f—you money, as they know, you be able to say, enough to have f—you money, as they know, you don'tyle to say, enough to have f—you money, as they know, you don't geto say, enough to have f—you money, as they know, you don't get to ay, you know, you don't get to decide how i run my company. >> i don't think he does. i don't think that exists particularly for twitter. twitter company that has twitter is a company that has never declared a profit, is always haemorrhaging money. he's had to buy. had to borrow in order to buy. yeah. and one of things that yeah. and one of the things that elon actually said when he took over wanted over twitter is he wanted to make twitter profitable and by haemorrhaging these advertisers , haemorrhaging these advertisers, it's just going to make it even less. well he's got the subscription service, but obviously that's not making enough kind of costs. >> e“.- w.- >> what do you think as that interview goes on, the interviewer of says more or interviewer kind of says more or less said, you less what you've just said, you know, god, but all these know, oh my god, but all these people are going to leave and elon says something like, yeah, and earth going to and what's planet earth going to think about that? >> if twitter >> implying that if twitter disappears we'll all disappears altogether, we'll all be furious? be so furious? >> i think will be so furious? >> thei think will be so furious? >> the advertisers will be so furious? >> the advertisers fornill be so furious? >> the advertisers for what judge the advertisers for what they're doing because, you know, advertisers shouldn't taking advertisers shouldn't be taking advertisers shouldn't be taking a partisan stance. advertisers shouldn't be taking a well, partisan stance. advertisers shouldn't be taking

a well, |great|n stance. advertisers shouldn't be taking a well, |great point.ce. >> well, no, great point. >> well, no, great point. >> although the interview goes back they'll back and says, you know, they'll say you. they'll say it say it was you. they'll say it was you. and of course, he just stands strong sticks with stands strong and sticks with it. well, this a trend >> well, maybe this is a trend that spread, though. you that will spread, though. you know, maybe, you know that companies start saying you companies will start saying you don't to don't get you don't get to dictate terms. just because dictate our terms. just because you're us money for advertising. >> well, the issue is as well, if it's completely hypocritical, if it's completely hypocritical, if you look facebook and all if you look at facebook and all the dodgy dealings that have gone how gone on there. yeah. and how facebook has been connected to a atrocities, i think was it the new zealand, attack on the new zealand, the attack on the mosque, the massacre at the mosque, the massacre at the mosque, streamed mosque, the massacre at the mo facebook streamed mosque, the massacre at the mofacebook ? streamed on facebook? >> yeah, it was. it was taken down. i mean, as soon as they became aware of it, they it became aware of it, they took it down. with the down. but the problem with the nature is people can do nature of it is people can do that without it being spotted for a while. yeah, exactly. that without it being spotted for and|ile. yeah, exactly. that without it being spotted for and so. yeah, exactly. that without it being spotted for and so and|h, exactly. that without it being spotted for and so and thatlactly. that without it being spotted for and so and that wasy. that without it being spotted for and so and that was the >> and so and that was the excuse parler as well. oh, excuse with parler as well. oh, you that planned you know, that people planned the, know, the january sixth the, you know, the january sixth attacks parler, people attacks on parler, but people also other on also messaging each other on facebook. so what is becoming apparent that actually apparent is that it's actually one them and one rule one rule for them and one rule for else. well, it was for everybody else. well, it was i mean, at the time twitter i mean, at the time that twitter kicked they

kicked off donald trump, they were saying he was inciting violence, but they didn't kick off leader of iran off the supreme leader of iran calling the wholesale calling for the wholesale destruction calling for the wholesale desso, tion calling for the wholesale desso, ti mean, calling for the wholesale des so, ti mean, know, calling for the wholesale desso, ti mean, know, there >> so, i mean, you know, there is there is a double standard there. >> there's because he's oppressed. >> he right there we go. yeah. okay. going to get another okay. we're going to get another question now. this is from andrew. andrew hi. >> hello do nhs >> yeah, hello there. do nhs staff and staff not understand and basic biology? >> is a worry. this is >> this is a worry. this is a worry. we've had this for a while now with sort of various sort nhs policies coming sort of nhs policies coming out that seem baffling to me where they doesn't matter, they say sex doesn't matter, biological doesn't matter. they say sex doesn't matter, biol(itical doesn't matter. they say sex doesn't matter, biol(it does. doesn't matter. they say sex doesn't matter, biol(it does. i doesn't matter. they say sex doesn't matter, biol(it does. i knowr't matter. they say sex doesn't matter, biol(it does. i know that atter. they say sex doesn't matter, biol(it does. i know that and. yes, it does. i know that and i'm rubbish at biology, but this is new nhs form is so there's this new nhs form that's been introduced at some hospitals doctors to hospitals and doctors have to tick boxes say whether their tick boxes to say whether their patients a penis a patients have a penis or a vagina. um, which should be clear whether they're male clear from whether they're male or female, i would have thought. and tom moore and they also use tom moore andrew well, well, you andrew doyle well, well, you know, clear. like know, but yes, it is clear. like they're terms like they're using terms like cisgender, which is a quasi religious term, you know, and it's term that it's also not a term that everybody knows. >> i know about it >> i mean, i know about it because i work here, but, you know, are people

know, there are people in the country wouldn't know what country who wouldn't know what that no cisgender means >> well, no cisgender means someone whose gender identity doesn't sex assigned someone whose gender identity do birth. sex assigned someone whose gender identity do birth. there ex assigned someone whose gender identity do birth. there are ssigned someone whose gender identity do birth. there are doesed at birth. well, there are does match it or it does match the sex the problem sex assigned. but the problem is the sex assigned at birth the phrase sex assigned at birth is not true because sex isn't assigned. it's recorded. that's how but if you how i feel. but also, if you don't have a gender identity, then cisgender is then the word cisgender is incoherent. you and incoherent. but you know, and most have a gender most people don't have a gender and by the i mean the nhs. >> i don't mm- nhs. >> i don't if you've heard, >> i don't know if you've heard, but it's kind of strapped for cash resources. i don't know cash and resources. i don't know if a brilliant use of if this is a brilliant use of the public, but look, this is the public, but look, this is the thing. the public, but look, this is the like g. the public, but look, this is the like they are strapped for >> like they are strapped for cash and they do such an important and i'm big important thing. and i'm a big fan the but if they're fan of the nhs, but if they're wasting a lot of and time wasting a lot of money and time on kowtowing to people's esoteric belief systems, they're not, know, curing people not, you know, curing people well, it. well, this is it. >> e he's w- e he's fine now, >> so my father, he's fine now, but was taken ill on friday but he was taken ill on friday night and we had to get the paramedics in. i'm sorry about that. it's okay. and to have a look at him and it took an hour and a and i said to him, and a half and i said to him, oh, what was the matter? was it a busy night? and they said, no,

there no ambulances there was just no ambulances available. i like, well, available. i was like, well, what mean there's no what do you mean there's no ambulances they were ambulances available? they were like, ambulances were like, all the ambulances were broken. going? well broken. so are you going? well surely a service should surely a health service should actually investing in actually be investing in infrastructure like ambulances, as nonsense, like this. >> well, you know how much they pay >> well, you know how much they pay executives. pay their di executives. you know, the people. >> will stop being comedy >> this will stop being a comedy show tell me. i know. know. >> but what they were advertising for one recently for over 100,000 you know, over 100,000 a year, you know, to promote diversity and inclusion and equity. >> what's no, just buy >> i mean, what's no, just buy another dialysis machine. yeah, you know what i mean? like, anyway, right. let's get a question from marcus. question now from marcus. where's marcus? hiya. >> i've forgotten it. sorry. >> um, i've forgotten it. sorry. >> um, i've forgotten it. sorry. >> you've your >> you've forgotten your question. thankfully, question. yeah. thankfully, you've of you've written it on a bit of papen >> we're healing circle. >> we're healing circle. >> help us cope with disappoint. >> help us cope with disappoint. >> healing circle, >> yeah. the healing circle, which i heard which i hadn't heard of. a heaung which i hadn't heard of. a healing circle until i read this story. an an lgbtq story. this is an an lgbtq resource centre and women's resource is at the resource centre. this is at the university and they university of utah. and they had this from visiting this visit from a visiting speaker and some of the people were so upset they held a heaung were so upset they held a healing circle because they said the very appearance of chloe cole speaking on campus would

cause them trauma . now chloe cause them trauma. now chloe cole is what you call a detransition. this is someone who had gender reassignment procedures and then decided it was . um, and obviously was a mistake. um, and obviously has a story to tell. why that has a story to tell. why is that not legitimate story? and why not a legitimate story? and why would hearing story cause trauma? >> well , trauma? >> well, everything causes trauma now. >> yes. yes that's true. >> yes. yes that's true. >> you know, you can now look at a piece of paper and decide that it is representative of a heteronormative, patriarchal society. yes. which is reflected by the colour white. and as a result, you can no longer function and you can't go into a room if there's more than 60% white people. >> yeah, that's right . white people. >> yeah, that's right. but white people. >> yeah, that's right . but why >> yeah, that's right. but why at universities? why is that happening so happening at universities so much particular they're happening at universities so much to3articular they're happening at universities so much to3artopen' they're happening at universities so much to3artopen to they're happening at universities so much to3artopen to different're meant to be open to different views , you know, in oberlin now, views, you know, in oberlin now, christina hoff sommers, a feminist academic , appeared at feminist academic, appeared at oberlin college, and people were so the students were so traumatised, they had to have a special little safe space with a therapy dog. >> oh , they needed to have the >> oh, they needed to have the to dog cope with her appearance. what a terrible use of dogs.

>> yeah, that's that's just infuriating. both christina hoff sommers and chloe cole are people i would desperately want those young people to listen to. yeah yeah. they've got fascinating brilliant fascinating stories. brilliant insights. both of them. insights. i love both of them. and i. chloe cole's story is so moving . had huge impact on me. moving. had huge impact on me. she seems like a nice person. >> well, she's. >> well, she's. >> yes, she's not remotely threatening, in my opinion. what do i know? and i would well, i get so frustrated about is that do i know? and i would well, i get sc students�*d about is that do i know? and i would well, i get sc students are )0ul is that do i know? and i would well, i get sc students are not is that do i know? and i would well, i get scstudents are not beingt these students are not being protected anything. these students are not being protecte being anything. these students are not being protectebeing robbed thing. these students are not being protectebeing robbed ofng. these students are not being protectebeing robbed of an they're being robbed of an opportunity to hear somebody speak. >> it's very interesting. >> it's very interesting. >> it's very interesting. >> it's awful. yeah. what do you think universities for if it isn't hearing ideas and it's isn't for hearing ideas and it's bizarre hoff bizarre and christina hoff sommers just a lovely sommers as well just a lovely human being. >> not like they've >> it's not like they've got jack ripper up to jack the ripper turning up to give give a talk. know, it give a give a talk. you know, it just doesn't make sense. >> have dangerous ideas, don't they? because because both of those people stand for things that yeah. >> so it's just unfashionable views, isn't it? >> it's i think be more >> it's i think they'd be more comfortable ripper >> it's i think they'd be more comfortto.e ripper >> it's i think they'd be more comfortto give ripper >> it's i think they'd be more comfortto give talk ripper >> it's i think they'd be more comfortto give talk in ripper coming to give a talk in a detransition or andrew maybe they would. >> absolutely. okay. so the next

question from where question is from luke. where is luke? good evening. >> should prisons be flying the pride flag? >> this this >> yeah, this this was an interesting story. were interesting story. there were two prisons. they were flying the progress pride flag, but they've remove they've been ordered to remove them. was after them. and this was after conservative nick fletcher conservative mp nick fletcher wrote and complained. he wrote to the justice secretary, alex chalk, unhappy . chalk, and said he's unhappy. this pentonville prison and this was pentonville prison and wandsworth . why they wandsworth prison. why are they flying pride flag flying that progress? pride flag anyway? i mean, you know what's there's an of the pride there's an image of the pride flag regent look flag down regent street. look how militaristic is . look how militaristic that is. look how militaristic that is. look how that is. how horrendous that is. you know, see that and i think, know, i see that and i think, whoa, we are in. this is the new state religion. that's what it seems what do you think? >> well, i'm going be honest >> well, i'm going to be honest with because when lot of with you, because when a lot of people go into prison, they become whilst they're become gay whilst they're there. so not have a pride flag? so why not have a pride flag? >> it's not just pride flag, >> it's not just the pride flag, is this is a new is it? this is this is a new pride flag. it's some added ideas. it seems a bit insensitive to me given that we've so conversation we've had so much conversation around men and women's spaces. it seem an odd choice. >> well, it's not the rainbow flag, it's the progress pride

flag, it's the progress pride flag, specifically the flag, which is specifically the flag, which is specifically the flag there's such flag that says there's no such thing as sex. gay people to thing as sex. gay people need to be into sex with the be pressured into sex with the opposite know, opposite sex. right. you know, it's seen by as an anti it's seen by many as an anti gay, women flag, which is gay, anti women flag, which is weird. like, why you fly weird. like, why would you fly something so dodgy? something that's so dodgy? >> know why. >> well, i'd love to know why. >> well, i'd love to know why. >> would love to know. and >> i would love to know. and i wonder whether it's is it a small number of activists getting this getting in and making this happen? doubt it's the general happen? i doubt it's the general prison population voting it. happen? i doubt it's the general prizbe population voting it. happen? i doubt it's the general prizbe verleation voting it. happen? i doubt it's the general prizbe very surprised.ing it. happen? i doubt it's the general prizbe very surprised. ig it. happen? i doubt it's the general prizbe very surprised. i hadn't. i'd be very surprised. i hadn't even thought that. even thought about that. >> frances the idea that actually because a lot people actually because a lot of people in men prison in prison, men in prison turn to same sex relations, very same sex relations, it's a very positive progressive step. >> very positive, very >> it is a very positive, very beautiful actually. it's very beautiful. in, beautiful. like people go in, they another of they discover another side of themselves. should we show themselves. and should we show another their friends, another side of their friends, you a result of you know, and as a result of that, a very progressive place. >> prison. well let's all go to prison. yeah. >> okay. careful what you >> okay. so careful what you wish for. >> next question from david. where's hello. where's david? hi, david. hello. >> macbeth triggering >> hi. is macbeth too triggering for audience members? >> yeah, apparently it is now, there have been a slew of macbeth recently. was the macbeth recently. there was the one there's the one in stratford. there's the one in stratford. there's the

one fiennes. that's one with ralph fiennes. that's coming , and there's one coming up, and there's the one with tennant at the with david tennant at the donmar. and this the donmar. and this one at the donmar. and this one at the donmar warning. donmar has a trigger warning. now, there's a lot of this now, there's been a lot of this sort of stuff. there's been trigger warnings outside. richard think richard the third, i think i think was a suicide think there was a suicide warning outside and warning outside romeo and juliet. was a trigger juliet. there was a trigger warning at warning on julius caesar at a university. it's saying that university. so it's saying that this involves death and murder. at would say if at some point, i would say if you know that about julius you don't know that about julius caesan you don't know that about julius caesar, you shouldn't be studying english literature to begin macbeth studying english literature to begin the macbeth studying english literature to begin the warning macbeth studying english literature to begin the warning saidiacbeth studying english literature to begin the warning said that eth death. the warning said that there's issues of post natal mental concern . burns i mental health concern. burns i don't actually post don't think it's actually post natal i mean, lady natal specifically. i mean, lady macbeth has had a baby some time in past. yeah, but the in the past. yeah, but the reason gone nuts reason she's gone nuts is because colluded in because she colluded in the murder duncan, so and murder of duncan, right? so and she. don't need a warning on she. you don't need a warning on macbeth. it's a tragedy. it's going upset if it's not going to be upset if it's not upsetting. doing its job. >> i think some theatres should have a trigger warning that this is going to be boring. is going to be really boring. >> there's that. >> yeah, well, there's that. they just go. they should just go. >> is going to take 3.5 >> this is going to take 3.5 hours it's not going to hours and it's not going to be very entertaining. and the worst bit going to have

bit is you're going to have to leave the theatre pretend to leave the theatre and pretend to all mates that you really all your mates that you really enjoyed understood enjoyed it and understood everything enjoyed it and understood eveyouing enjoyed it and understood eveyou know, there is something >> you know, there is something to i saw this very to that. i mean, i saw this very woke comedian doing a set i won't name names cause i don't want mean, but she was want to be mean, but she was awful, know, and awful, you know, obviously. and the are there and you the audience are there and you can see they hate it, but they feel have to along feel they have to laugh along because these because she's saying all these progressive stuff about sexuality, painful, really painful. and someone said to me recently that's recently they think that's the punishment for the woke is they have pretend like this. have to pretend to like this. yeah. that's their that's yeah. and that's their that's their punishment. >> that's fair enough. >> i think that's fair enough. yeah. you think macbeth yeah. do you think that macbeth i mean, come on. >> shakespearean tragedy. it's going bit unpleasant, >> shakespearean tragedy. it's goirthat's bit unpleasant, >> shakespearean tragedy. it's goirthat's the bit unpleasant, >> shakespearean tragedy. it's goirthat's the whole)leasant, >> shakespearean tragedy. it's goirthat's the whole point. it, but that's the whole point. >> i mean, of course it's going to be a bit, but it's not unpleasant. is it? it's dramatic and interesting. it's. and it's interesting. and it's. it's delving ideas. it's delving into ideas. it's not to you. not really happening to you. it's play. it's just a play. >> it'sjust it's just a play. >> it's just a play. >> it's just a play. >> it's just a play. >> it'sjust >> it's just a play. >> it's just theatre, thrash these ideas out in a play rather than in real life. >> well, exactly. yes. no trigger not real. go and >> it's not real. if you go and see titus andronicus, you know, when he kills those boys and when he kills those two boys and minces in a pie and gets

minces them up in a pie and gets their to eat the pie, their mother to eat the pie, that's actually happening right? >> depends. if you're in >> so it depends. if you're in croydon, it might. >> yeah, is true. so on >> yeah, that is true. so on that note, next free speech that note, next on free speech nation, broadcaster nation, author and broadcaster john oxley will be joining me in the studio. >> we're going to discuss >> and we're going to discuss what cuts to the bbc's what the cuts to the bbc's flagship newsnight show mean for the future of investigative journalism.

the right thing. earlier on gb news radio . news radio. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation . the bbc this week nation. the bbc this week announced significant changes to their flagship evening news programme, newsnight, which will be cut to 30 minutes and have its members of staff cut from 57 to 23. the move has been greeted with dismay, particularly by former newsnight reporters and presenters such as emily maitlis, who concerned about maitlis, who are concerned about the message such a decision sends out. but bbc news ceo deborah turness says the financial pressures facing the corporation have made such decisions inevitable . so here to decisions inevitable. so here to discuss this decision and the

wider implications, i'm joined by the author and broadcaster john oxley . john, welcome. good john oxley. john, welcome. good evening. >> great to be here. so this is a matter of money. >> this is financial prudence. they the money to they don't have the money to keep way that keep it going in the way that they want to. is that they would want to. is that right? yeah. i mean, this is broadly being driven broadly speaking, being driven by having to cut back by the bbc having to cut back somewhere. >> the money gets the >> the money it gets from the licence an increasing licence fee is an increasing that at the moment. so that much at the moment. so they're find cuts they're having to find cuts somewhere know big somewhere and you know big investigative is really, investigative news is really, really expensive to make. >> to >> but they're going to be criticised. whatever do, criticised. whatever they do, they're have cut they're going to have to cut back and the back somewhere. and the thing about bbc is it's meant to about the bbc is it's meant to cater for everyone. and so what ever they're going to ever they cut, they're going to get criticised for, aren't they? that's absolutely when that's absolutely true. but when you about state funded you think about a state funded broadcaster, really the best argument that there broadcaster, really the best aryou've: that there broadcaster, really the best aryou've got that there broadcaster, really the best aryou've got a that there broadcaster, really the best aryou've got a channelit there broadcaster, really the best aryou've got a channel thatere broadcaster, really the best aryou've got a channel that can is you've got a channel that can do of tv that is do the sort of tv that is expensive to but worthwhile. >> yes. and the investigative news one of the best examples news is one of the best examples of that. if you want journalists digging into stories , sometimes digging into stories, sometimes those stories go nowhere. sometimes it takes a long time to get the story out. so you

need to have the money to pump into it's something that into it. and it's something that other can't do as much, right? >> so do you think that there are certain programmes that they could that maybe could be cutting that are maybe a bit more frivolous? for instance, i think all know instance, i think we all know there's reality there's lots on the bbc reality shows, shows , quiz shows, competition shows, quiz shows, competition shows, quiz shows that may be expensive, aren't they? >> they're not as essential as a sort of one of the country's flagship type news programmes that has often really unearthed really impactful stories. you know, newsnight uncovered the jimmy savile story, which had huge ramifications for the country. >> no, i mean, they have done some excellent work. they've also been criticised quite a lot for being successfully for not being successfully impartial. i know that emily maitlis was criticised maitlis herself was criticised for that i mean, for that. is that fair? i mean, it's hard it, it's quite hard job, isn't it, that they've got. >> i it's very hard job >> i think it's very hard job that bbc have. and again that the bbc have. and again they get criticised from all sides see it, you know, sides and you see it, you know, every that comes up, every news story that comes up, but i think only gets but that i think only gets harder if you're going to be cutting from this. cutting away from this. investigate and becoming investigate stuff and becoming more of an interview. more of a chat because you chat programme. yes, because you know, thing about

know, the good thing about investigative is generally investigative news is generally they'll story no matter they'll pursue a story no matter who affects. who it affects. >> why do you think they've >> so why do you think they've made this choice to cut back on the things are necessary as the things that are necessary as opposed things that opposed to the things that are frivolous? opposed to the things that are friv is)us? opposed to the things that are friv is)uzbecause that they're >> is it because that they're under pressure to basically get more you know, they're more numbers? you know, they're having to justify licence more numbers? you know, they're hav all to justify licence more numbers? you know, they're hav all the ustify licence more numbers? you know, they're hav all the time? licence more numbers? you know, they're haerah, e time? licence more numbers? you know, they're haerah, it's�*ne? licence more numbers? you know, they're haerah, it's exactly licence more numbers? you know, they're haerah, it's exactly that. :e more numbers? you know, they're haerah, it's exactly that. and >> yeah, it's exactly that. and you know, easiest way to you know, the easiest way to justify money you're justify the money you're spending at the viewers. spending is look at the viewers. we're you know, and we're pulling in, you know, and you some things you know, for some things that's great. are big bbc great. and there are big bbc success for example. but success dramas for example. but i think also there's a big argument if you're the to bbc say, no, actually we don't have to chase numbers. what we can do is really tv and is produce really good tv and you you look at some of you know, you look at some of the educational stuff that they do, programmes do, you know, programmes with sign many sign language, which not many other channels do. those don't appeal to amount of appeal to a huge amount of people, they're very people, but they're very worthwhile. that's the sort worthwhile. and that's the sort of thing that if not of thing that if you're not there to make money, you can you can some on. can spend some money on. >> that's a really >> i think that's a really interesting point. i mean, whenever arts council are whenever the arts council are criticised for the things they've will they've done, they they will point to one of their shows that

they funded that went on to be a huge commercial success in the west end. but actually i don't huge commercial success in the west that's ut actually i don't huge commercial success in the west that's whattually i don't huge commercial success in the west that's what they' i don't huge commercial success in the west that's what they should be think that's what they should be for. should be for the more for. they should be for the more obscure shows that never obscure shows that will never have that commercial potential, but be artistically you but be artistically valid. you know, maybe they should apply that to the bbc. absolutely. >> and the things you >> and one of the things you might a few years ago, might remember a few years ago, there was a big controversy when there was a big controversy when the bake moved the great british bake off moved to channel 4. oh, actually, that's the perfect example of what could do. they what the bbc could do. they found a really interesting programme. no one was really trying to pick it up. they took it on for few series. it it on for a few series. it became a huge success and then it to commercial tv. it moved on to commercial tv. yes. that's that yes. so that's one thing that they do. but also sometimes they can do. but also sometimes you'll those risks and you'll take those risks and it'll be of those programmes it'll be one of those programmes that 100,000 people watch it'll be one of those programmes th rather 100,000 people watch it'll be one of those programmes th rather than10,000 people watch it'll be one of those programmes th rather than 10 )00 people watch it'll be one of those programmes thrather than 10 million.3le watch it'll be one of those programmes thrather than 10 million. butrvatch it rather than 10 million. but it rather than 10 million. but it means huge and it it means a huge lot and throw it into that. >> do you have thoughts >> do you have any thoughts about this is going in about where this is going in terms debates the terms of the debates about the licence fee and that kind of thing? you know, some people have should really have said the bbc should really be pushing for subscription be pushing for a subscription model with other model and compete with other subscription platforms such as netflix of thing.

netflix and that kind of thing. but if that happens, won't these kind even more inevitable? >> well, yes, they will, because if the money away, >> well, yes, they will, because if becomes the money away, >> well, yes, they will, because if becomes hardera money away, >> well, yes, they will, because if becomes harder t01oney away, >> well, yes, they will, because if becomes harder to putey away, >> well, yes, they will, because if becomes harder to put it away, >> well, yes, they will, because if becomes harder to put it into ', it becomes harder to put it into the programming. netflix at the moment, they go out, they moment, they can go out, they can huge amount of can borrow a huge amount of money from big venture capital firms. on firms. they they run on debt. the bbc are not really in a position to that and they'll position to do that and they'll just less less and it just get less and less and it will mean more of this cheaper tv. but it makes it harder tv. but also it makes it harder for them to compete because if the bbc is doing what everyone else might else is doing, well, you might watch on other channels like watch it on other channels like for gb news example. watch it on other channels like for absolutely. .ample. watch it on other channels like for absolutely. butyle. watch it on other channels like for absolutely. but then some >> absolutely. but then some people that a lot of >> absolutely. but then some peo best that a lot of >> absolutely. but then some peo best investigativet a lot of the best investigative journalism coming from journalism is coming from youtubers who are youtubers and people who are sort doing it for themselves sort of doing it for themselves and that the bbc is too and they say that the bbc is too sort of by sort of its sort of plagued by sort of its woke politics, its woke ideology, and that turns ideology, and that it turns a blind to certain things. do blind eye to certain things. do you think that's unfair? >> always a case >> i think there's always a case about ization. think about editorial ization. i think one problems for the one of the big problems for the bbc is a lot the decision bbc is a lot of the decision making has been centralised recently. so you don't a recently. so you don't have a news crop manchester news crop in manchester or liverpool that can get of liverpool that can get hold of something locally. but for big, big investigative reasons you

need need to need money because you need to get there and speak to get out there and speak to people. need fly off people. you need to fly off around potentially, around the world potentially, and also you the to and also you need the lawyers to approve it and make sure it's really watertight. and i mean, they've history of this, they've got a history of this, haven't they? >> if you think about >> i mean, if you think about the original reithian principles >> i mean, if you think about th> i mean, if you think about th> i mean, if you think about th> i mean, if you think about th> i mean, if you think about th> w- e are they i mean, >> yeah. why are they i mean, kenneth clark's example. kenneth clark's a great example. that's brilliant series. that's such a brilliant series. and watched it again recently and i watched it again recently and think there's nothing and i just think there's nothing like at the but like this at the moment, but i doubt the bbc would take the risk of doing like risk of doing something like that the moment. that at the moment. >> and i think part of that >> no, and i think part of that is this whole thing about getting for value money from the

bbc that they're afraid to take risks because there's so much criticism, people criticism, so many people willing to, they put a load willing to, if they put a load of money into a series and it didn't come out or it wasn't didn't come out and or it wasn't that they're back to that popular, they're back to square on. and think, square on. and that, i think, forces be very defensive. forces you to be very defensive. >> so just to be a bit >> so we just need to be a bit more supportive bbc. you more supportive of the bbc. you think? not not be so harsh think? and not not be so harsh in our criticism? >> i'm not sure that think >> i'm not sure that i think the bbc itself really bbc itself needs to really question what are we here for? what we to make? and what are we going to make? and i think if they do it with sort of purpose drive and passion purpose and drive and passion like they used to, they'll get enough things that stick and a bunch of us might be bunch of us that might be critical that critical or might not be that impressed their output impressed by all their output would yeah, you would actually think, yeah, you know, that thing bbc know, i saw that thing on bbc two the other night. i'm not sure anyone watched but it sure anyone watched it, but it was great. and now you kind of have that with have the advantage that with iplayer stuff, if that iplayer and that stuff, if that happens as well, i go out and tell people i'll tell a dozen people i'll suddenly, three months after it went popular went out, it's really popular show of seen that show and we've kind of seen that in the last few years with a couple bbc that have couple of bbc things that have line barely anyone line of duty barely anyone watched the first series. yes

when it was on bbc two. then it became hugest hits became one of their hugest hits because took a chance on something. >> taking chance. >> yeah, taking a chance. i think the key thing. john think that's the key thing. john oxley, you so much for oxley, thank you so much for joining really appreciate joining me. really appreciate it. up on free speech it. and next up on free speech nation, the causes of last week's dublin riots have been nation, the causes of last wee subject lin riots have been nation, the causes of last wee subject lin much1ave been nation, the causes of last wee subject lin much discussion the subject of much discussion with far right groups blamed by many irish journalist david quinn wrote a very prescient article when riots occurred in tottenham back in 2011, saying the conditions have been laid for something similar to happen in he's going to be in ireland, and he's going to be to here tell us more. see you shortly

world by photographers. i think elements of their life will be very difficult. earlier on gb news radio . news radio. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation violence hit the streets of dublin last week as a shocking stabbing attack outside a school resulted in what has been described by the police as the most violent riots in modern irish history. there's been a lot of debate about the causes

of these shocking events with far right groups and even former mixed martial arts star conor mcgregor blamed for some of the violence. so following the tottenham riots of 2011, irish journalist david quinn wrote wrote what turned out to be a prescient article where he outlined why similar scenes could be witnessed in ireland and david quinn joins me now. david thanks very much for joining me. can you give us some sense of the context? because when it comes to these dublin riots , a lot of people were riots, a lot of people were very, very quick to dismiss it as just simply a case of the far right in dublin, mobilising and taking opportunity . do you taking this opportunity. do you think that's accurate or it think that's accurate or is it more ? more complicated? >> i think there's something to it . all right. i mean, there it. all right. i mean, there seems little doubt that there was chatter various was some chatter on various social platforms social media platforms from genuine far right elements who were trying up trouble were trying to stir up trouble as a result of the terrible stabbing of three children. and a teacher went to defend a teacher who went to defend them outside their school last thursday week . but i think it thursday week. but i think it was also kind of a tinderbox

thing going on in the city centre, just like in tottenham in 2011, which viewers in 2011, which your viewers might sparked five might remember sparked five nights . i was reading nights of riots. i was reading about it again there. the other day for my column today. this spread to 66 areas in britain over those five nights, there was five people killed. there was five people killed. there was of police officers was hundreds of police officers injured. time, you injured. and at the time, you had like david lammy had people like david lammy currently on the labour shadow cabinet and mp for tottenham. cabinet and an mp for tottenham. and he was saying, cabinet and an mp for tottenham. and he was saying , well, and he was saying, well, actually in these areas with these riots broke out, you've got breakdown in basic got a big breakdown in basic respect for law and order and you have many of these teenagers and young men growing up without positive male role models in their lives don't respect parents, don't respect teachers, have complete i think we've lost david there, unfortunately. >> but we will hopefully get him back in just one moment. cressida you've been following these a little bit. the dublin riots, there is a sense in which the complexo of what some of the causes of resentments, it's causes of the resentments, it's been oversimplified by the media

class, isn't it? >> yeah, absolutely . i mean, >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, there's no sort of nuance in the discussion saying, look, people are angry or scared or unhappy about anything. it all comes down was far down to this. it was the far right and i've heard people condemning the people starting riots more than than the stabbing that sort of triggered it. yeah which is very difficult, for those difficult, isn't it, for those people to hear that they're getting told off rather than i mean, you get a sense that there are concerns among people there. >> no, i think rioting is completely unjustifiable anyway. i you're looting i think once you're looting a shop, about shop, it don't it's not about the anymore , is it? right. the cause anymore, is it? right. absolutely. so there's all of that contend with. however, that to contend with. however, there a sense in which the there is a sense in which the irish and political irish media, class and political class listening to class are not listening to people's legitimate concerns class are not listening to peopleissues timate concerns class are not listening to peopleissues such e concerns class are not listening to peopleissues such as oncerns class are not listening to peopleissues such as migration about issues such as migration and happens then when and what happens then when sensible don't address sensible centrists don't address those concerns. is the more extreme factions take hold of it, because finally there's people who are willing to talk about now happens again about it. now this happens again and many different and again in many different countries, just ireland . so countries, not just ireland. so why people learn their why don't people learn their lesson don't know. lesson about this? i don't know. >> a great question.

>> that's a great question. i mean, if you're scared to talk, if scared to talk about if you're scared to talk about something, that's a it something, that's a sign. it needs talked about, isn't needs to be talked about, isn't it because you it right there? because if you just underground, it'll just push it underground, it'll p0p up just push it underground, it'll pop up somewhere really ugly. yeah. example of that. >> i think we've got david back now. quinn, can i just ask now. david quinn, can i just ask you, were just talking about you, we were just talking about the sense which there's a bit the sense of which there's a bit of powder keg situation going of a powder keg situation going on, that there a lot of on, that there are a lot of tensions within the community, people who that their people who feel that their voices that voices aren't being heard, that their are ignored their concerns are being ignored by the media the by the media class and the political think political class. do you think that's to blame for what that's partly to blame for what happened that's partly to blame for what hapwell,i undoubtedly rising >> well, it's undoubtedly rising tensions issue tensions around the issue of immigration, like immigration, because like britain worried that a britain is worried that a straining at the seams because of the number of people who've been brought in in the last number so i was number of years. so i was looking figures. so the looking at the figures. so the british population grown by british population has grown by 6% last ten years. the 6% over the last ten years. the irish population has grown by 10% over last ten years. so 10% over the last ten years. so this one of the think it's this is one of the i think it's about the second fastest rate of population the population growth in the european union. average european union. the average country in european union is country in the european union is growing, only by 1% in

growing, has grown only by 1% in the last ten years. we've grown by is an enormous rate by 10. this is an enormous rate of population increase . 20% of of population increase. 20% of the irish population was born outside the country. that compares to the us. so compares to 15% in the us. so this is an unprecedented level of change on a small country in a short amount of time. we have a short amount of time. we have a housing shortage here and a strange strains on the infrastructure, just like in britain. it's particular areas that are absorbing the that are absorbing most of the immigrants . that are absorbing most of the immigrants. so it's easy for somebody like me in a middle class area to lecture people in disadvantaged areas about our attitude towards immigration. but i don't live with multiculturalism. i don't live with multi—ethnicity, i don't live with high levels of immigration where i live. but the people in these other disadvantaged areas, they typically do. and essentially they're . not allowed to have an they're. not allowed to have an opinion about it because if they express any concern at all, they're accused of hate and they're accused of hate and they're accused of racism. and that people. they're accused of racism. and that of people. they're accused of racism. and that of course, ple. they're accused of racism. and that of course, that kind of >> and of course, that kind of approach where where the political class just sort of

says raise concerns about says if you raise concerns about what's on your what's going on in your community, you're just evil community, you're just an evil bigot. going bigot. you know, that's going to generate resentment, generate even more resentment, isn't generating isn't it? you're generating a kind keg situation kind of powder keg situation that's to. now, of course, that's bound to. now, of course, i'm violence or i'm not justifying violence or looting or mob violence, anything whatsoever. anything like that whatsoever. but the point is that those in the centre , those who are meant the centre, those who are meant to be sensible political figures, not taking figures, just are not taking these concerns seriously. do you think fair ? think that's fair? >> yes, i do . i mean, the >> yes, i do. i mean, the mainstream, i think even as a result of this riot, are now even less likely to allow a sensible debate on the immigration issue. and don't immigration issue. and i don't know had them on this know if you've had them on this program. academic program. there's an academic working called eric working in britain called eric kaufmann, and now i think we've lost david again there. >> but he was about to make a point about eric kaufmann, who we have on had on this show. but before hopefully we can get david back in a moment, because i think it's interesting i think it's very interesting what saying. but i want what he's saying. but i want to come francis, about come to you, francis, about this. have any particular this. do you have any particular responses david said responses to what david has said so ithink responses to what david has said so i think david is actually >> i think david is actually

really on the knuckle there. really on on the knuckle there. i think what he's saying is entirely accurate. the rate of change due mass immigration change due to mass immigration has and has been it's been intense. and i accurately i use that word accurately because for a lot of people, they've seen communities change rapidly in a way they simply aren't comfortable with. and if they start to vocalise this and say, hey , look, you know, say, hey, look, you know, immigration is great, but there's too much immigration, and as a result that is causing effects in my community that i'm simply not happy with. yes that is deemed to be unacceptable, but that's a legitimate concern. >> but then you also have there will be some races, individuals, of course, piggyback onto this who opportunistically you know, use of situation to use this kind of situation to cause trouble . think cause trouble. but i think what's happening and david was alluding that the alluding to there is that the government, the political class, are interpreting any concerns as being lumping it with being they're lumping it in with this of right. this kind of far right. >> well, because it's a very, very effective very very effective tool and a very easy way shut down a easy way to shut down a conversation because we know that that is a very that's a very effective way of doing it. when just all these

when you just say all these people are saying these people who are saying these things far they're things are far right, they're whatever choose whatever they may be, choose your we're your epithet. therefore we're not engage with this not going to engage with this because with because it's engaging with the far right. >> yeah, i mean, we've seen those smears all over the place and happens here as well. of and it happens here as well. of course, this isn't just a problem ireland. problem in ireland. >> mean, you say it's a >> no, i mean, you say it's a good way to shut them down. it is until it isn't anymore. and that's i mean, whether that's that's i mean, whether that's that's i mean, whether that's in this country, you know, had brexit went the way know, we had brexit went the way people didn't think it would. for that was probably for example, that was probably largely due to people feeling unheard. to unheard. and it's really good to hear about the fact hear him talk about the fact that it doesn't him that it doesn't affect him personally. because usually that it doesn't affect him perhear.ly. because usually that it doesn't affect him perhear that because usually that it doesn't affect him perhear that eother;e usually that it doesn't affect him perhear that eother wayually we hear that the other way around, we? people who around, don't we? people who aren't by it telling aren't affected by it telling people are. it's not people who are. but it's not actually a problem. >> have david back on >> i think we have david back on the line now. david can i ask you, when ashley was you, when ashley murphy was murdered a this murdered and this was a this happened very recently. absolutely her absolutely tragic case. and her boyfriend, wrote an boyfriend, ryan kc, wrote an impact to impact statement that alluded to the that this was a migrant the fact that this was a migrant who committed act. the who committed this act. the irish media redacted his witness statement. they censored it . statement. they censored it. they seem to think that it's

their role to sort of protect their role to sort of protect the public from knowing what people have said and knowing the truth. do you think that's a broader problem within the irish media? >> well, i do know. i mean, so ashley murphy's boyfriend, as you say, ryan kc , he gave a very you say, ryan kc, he gave a very long and impassioned victim statement. and it was very selectively quoted from by most of the media, some of it did quote the thing in full, but he said the ireland that ashling and himself grew up in had changed. had become more changed. it had become more dangerous. think he made dangerous. i don't think he made any reference to any direct reference to immigration did immigration at all. but he did mention ashling mention the fact that ashling murphy, his girlfriend killer, had been in the country for a number years, on number of years, purely on welfare, and questioned why welfare, and he questioned why that so. and then we had a that was so. and then we had a particular journalist works particular journalist who works for accusing him for the irish times accusing him of . so you've to of hate speech. so you've got to consider that his girlfriend was brutally murdered and he makes a victim impact statement. and then he's accused hate victim impact statement. and then he'and:used hate victim impact statement. and then he'and of ed hate victim impact statement. and then he'and of course,ate victim impact statement. and then he'and of course, as i've speech. and of course, as i've been on this program before, discussing, we have hate speech, legislate coming up, very draconian very far reaching that

they want to have passed they now want to have passed before christmas on the strength of dublin riot. and are we of the dublin riot. and are we now that ashling now to believe that ashling murphy's boyfriend, ryan kc , murphy's boyfriend, ryan kc, would prosecuted under that would be prosecuted under that act if it wasn't forced? now, when he made that statement, i mean, it's a horrifying prospect. >> so that's a really interesting point, isn't it? varadkar already, i varadkar has has already, i think, these dublin riots think, used these dublin riots to justify why the hate speech, bill, that he wants to push through. there is there does seem to be a groundswell of opposition there. if it's opposition there. but it if it's the he's going to the case that what he's going to do is just use these kind of events to say that what we'll do is silence all is we'll just silence all opposition. this strikes me as very authoritarian. that very authoritarian. is that a fair option? fair characterisation option? >> extreme i mean, the irish >> no. extreme i mean, the irish political establishment really does have to stop itself and check what is doing, because in trying to delegitimize perfectly legitimate concerns about can we cope with the numbers coming in, i mean, ireland, for example, has taken in per capita a bigger number of ukrainian refugees than any country in western europe . and you've got to ask ,

europe. and you've got to ask, well, okay, can we cope with this? france has taken in far fewer than we have, even in absolute terms , even though it absolute terms, even though it has about 12 times our population. so these are the questions that ordinary people ask and an opinion poll recently, but one of our newspapers said 75% of irish people think the numbers coming in are now too high and they don't have a single mainstream party representing that 75. and that's not right . so where are that's not right. so where are those 75% go when they're concerns are simply dismissed as bigoted at landish extreme and racist. so i mean, it has to have an effect somewhere. >> and those views don't even appear to be partisan. it's not as simple as left versus right. i mean, i believe that the figures for sinn fein supporters or voters are even higher than 75% who think that there's been too migration. so it's not too much migration. so it's not as we can just put this as though we can just put this to down a left right discussion, is it? >> and e.- e.— >> no. and you see sinn fein draws a lot its support from draws a lot of its support from working areas, and they're working class areas, and they're the obviously, who, you

the ones obviously, who, you know, which are most greatly impacted but sooner impacted by this. but sooner or later, has break in later, the dam has to break in ireland politically speaking. so in , i'm not even in the netherlands, i'm not even speaking wilders speaking about geert wilders here. about what here. i'm speaking about what the was called, the party that was called, christian democrats. i'm not sure their name is now, christian democrats. i'm not sure is their name is now, christian democrats. i'm not sure is headediame is now, christian democrats. i'm not sure is headed ber is now, christian democrats. i'm not sure is headed by this now, christian democrats. i'm not sure is headed by this turkish which is headed by this turkish former refugee who came in with her parents. i think her father was a kurdish trade unionist who was a kurdish trade unionist who was driven out of turkey and she was driven out of turkey and she was a child when they fled to netherlands. here you netherlands. so here you have the of the the irony. the head of the second party, which was in power until very recently in the netherlands, a former refugee from turkey, and she's saying we have limit the numbers coming have to limit the numbers coming in to the netherlands in order to stabilise the country and allow it to kind of absorb what it's taken in in the few it's taken in in the last few years. we see as a country proportionately have taken in more so the equivalent of this of this particular party, the former christian democrats in ireland is fine gael, which is headed by leo varadkar. so this politician, his equivalent in netherlands, would be condemned

as far right here in ireland. but here we have a political counterpart in the netherlands saying things that are practically unsafe here and the more unstable they make them sooner or later they're going to get the outcome they don't want, which is that an irish geert wilders would emerge and i don't want that to happen. i wish mainstream politicians would begin to honestly address honest and legitimate concerns of ordinary people. >> david quinn always a pleasure to chat. thanks forjoining me on the show . and next on free on the show. and next on free speech nation, tesla tests a bullet—proof car. a young boy campaigns for an end to the nerd emoji and the draw for a major football event takes an unexpected turn. it's almost time for social sensations. don't anywhere .

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whole. i'm alive. awesome way to go . we did it. stuart go. we did it. stuart >> so, advert for tesla when? absolutely everywhere. because a lot of people thought it was real. although to be fair to tesla, there was a second tweet in the thread saying this is cgi and linking to it. so but it's a premonition that's going to happen, isn't it? oh, is it lovely, don't you think? >> well, i guess. i mean, if the world was full of people like me, it wouldn't happen. i wouldn't think of it. but no, i think all should be think all robots should be destroyed because. >> where they're >> because that's where they're going. yeah, clearly. going. honestly yeah, clearly. clearly they're clearly that's where they're going clearly that's where they're goii it where they're >> it is where they're going. >> it is where they're going. >> think won't >> and don't think they won't become sentient. >> no. if they can, you know. yeah. before you know it, you'll be married to one. >> exactly. >> andrew right, exactly. >> andrew right, exactly. >> me or your toaster will be, you know. >> yeah. you could in >> yeah. you could be in a relationship with your toaster. imagine imagine imagine being able to imagine being make your toaster being able to make your toaster deeply . deeply miserable. >> i don't >> yeah, well, i don't want a toaster with know, toaster with i, you know, criticising my helmet. >> think they looked >> i mean, i think they looked fantastic. the kind of lady gaga

aesthetic wonderful, but aesthetic was wonderful, but that's here. that's not the issue here. >> no, exactly. and if you can imagine it, it come true. imagine it, it can come true. that's the problem. like, we know that from verne. we know that from jules verne. we know that from jules verne. we know you know, the know that from the you know, the guy invented smartphone . guy who invented the smartphone. he got that idea from star trek frankenstein it. frankenstein, all of it. >> yeah. frankenstein, all of it. >> so yeah. frankenstein, all of it. >> so what,ih. frankenstein, all of it. >> so what, you just saw, it's a cgi today , and it's armageddon cgi today, and it's armageddon tomorrow next up, tomorrow. okay, so next up, primary student teddy tomorrow. okay, so next up, primarhas student teddy tomorrow. okay, so next up, primarhas launchedent teddy tomorrow. okay, so next up, primarhas launched at teddy tomorrow. okay, so next up, primarhas launched a petition cottle has launched a petition calling for apple to change the offensive. and insulting nerd emoji. let's have a look at this i >> -- >> hi. my imam >> hi. my name's teddy, and i've competing against this horrible emoji . so this petition is all emoji. so this petition is all about change, urging the nerd emoji and making people with glasses feel like they're special. i hate the teeth at the bottom and the name making me feel sad and upset. >> i mean, it's very sweet, isn't it ? but he sees himself in isn't it? but he sees himself in that emoji and thinks that it's upsetting. i'm upset for him,

really. >> i don't think this is the way to personal fulfilment for this kid. i hope i don't want to criticise him. i hope this works out for him. >> well, the problem is, though, kids are expected to be activists days, think activists these days, so i think he's think he's doing he's kind of i think he's doing it tongue in cheek. i hope he is. no, i think he i think is. no, i think he is. i think he's a bit of a laugh, he's having a bit of a laugh, ain't he? >> no, he's not. this is he's not this is why we need bullying. i'm unbelievable. this is knew. >> i knew. >> i knew. >> i knew. >> i you'd take a contrary >> i knew you'd take a contrary position on this. i'm not. position on this. no, i'm not. >> i'm serious. i had glasses. it's character building. yeah, right. you have your childhood destroyed, become destroyed, then you become a comedian and then you this comedian and then you do this show around once show for around £100 once a month. be fine. then month. you'll be fine. then you'll fine. you'll be 41 you'll be fine. you'll be 41 living rented accommodation you'll be fine. you'll be 41 living forted accommodation you'll be fine. you'll be 41 living forcompany.modation you'll be fine. you'll be 41 living for company. justation with rats for company. just enjoy with rats for company. just enijkay. this has turned into >> okay. this has turned into a therapy session for frances foster. but anyway, look, we've got another video. got time for another video. this is the draw football's is the draw for football's european championship next summer unexpected , highly summer proved unexpected, highly entertaining . entertaining. >> serbia , serbia now .

>> serbia, serbia now. >> serbia, serbia now. >> oh, okay. >> oh, okay. >> i don't know what's going on there. there's noises in the background that are a bit suggestive, thrown. >> i thought he was doing a magic trick for a minute. yeah. is this a hoax? is that what's going on there? >> france? you're a football fan, aren't you? >> yeah. well yeah. >> yeah. well yeah. >> well, i'm assuming you are, because accent. because your accent. >> yeah well, i mean, but you're. >> but you're irish and you don't know what the garda is. and so i don't know what football is. >> i no interest in football. >> i know. you don't no so >> i know. you don't know. no so what is that is a draw what happened is that is a draw for the euro championships. next year and somebody there's these pranksters , they record noises pranksters, they record noises of people fornicating . of people fornicating. >> i'm glad you've used that delicate phrase. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and they then play it . >> and they then play it. >> and they then play it. >> how embarrassing. yeah, it's disgusting . disgusting. >> morally >> it's actually morally repugnant. okay now we're going to have couple of unfiltered to have a couple of unfiltered dilemmas we end the show. dilemmas before we end the show. our first dilemma from jess. our first dilemma is from jess. jess colleague has jess says, my colleague has a terrible is terrible cold and he is sniffling and coughing every other but is refusing to

other minute, but is refusing to call in sick. is it rude if i move away from him? no. you absolutely. it's rude of him to come to work because he's going to everyone else with his to infect everyone else with his disease passive disease for some passive aggressive tissue buying and leaving vicks vaporub around his desk. >> absolutely. gross sniffing is so disgusting. i'm not scared of getting ill. i just think it's vile. yeah but why aren't people aware? >> why don't they think this is the thing i miss about the pandemic? >> do you remember when someone would come in with a cold during the pandemic and were the pandemic and you were legitimately allowed to give them eye until they left? >> yeah. you can't do it anymore. you can't do anymore. >> you do it anymore. >> you can't do it anymore. >> you can't do it anymore. >> right. we've got time for >> all right. we've got time for one dilemma from matthew. one more dilemma from matthew. >> my friend did a favour >> my friend and i did a favour for one of our mates, so he sent me a case of wine to say thank you, i should share it you, implying i should share it with mate. me and my with the other mate. me and my missus drank lot instead. missus drank the lot instead. was i in the wrong? i think that's open and case. that's an open and shut case. what do you think? >> yeah. yeah >> yeah. yeah >> it's not right, is it? >> it's not right, is it? >> it's not right. no >> no, it's not right. no terrible behaviour.

>> what do you think? replace it. lots of it. it's wine. there's lots of it. it's wine. there's lots of it yeah well, you should it about. yeah well, you should know chris. pot and castle. yeah, i know. >> no, more sort of vodka >> no, i'm more sort of vodka and lime. >> oh, are you. you've changed. >> oh, are you. you've changed. >> yeah, that's >> you've changed. yeah, that's absolutely right. i have changed. okay, well, look, we've got for one more got just time for one more dilemma, joe dilemma, maybe from joe. uh, joe says my colleague's says it was my colleague's birthday so team birthday this week, so our team brought her a cake. my shift was ending before they'd served it, so to a slice. so i helped myself to a slice. was i in the wrong again? open and shut case. we don't have time for answer, but yeah. time for an answer, but yeah. >> lose some mate. >> lose some weight, mate. outrage from frances foster. >> you can always count on >> no, you can always count on him. >> if you go round mixing cake, you're be a slightly on you're going to be a slightly on the chunky side, aren't you? okay thank {wm mul % much for >> thank you very much for joining us for free speech nation. was the week when nation. this was the week when elon on the elon musk took on the advertisers. the bbc was accused of white and the left of being too white and the left failed hamas again. failed to condemn hamas again. then.thank failed to condemn hamas again. then. thank you to my panel. cressida and frances cressida wetton and frances foster to of my foster and to all of my brilliant this evening. brilliant guests this evening. and the way, if want to and by the way, if you want to join live in the studio and join us live in the studio and be of our audience, go be part of our audience, just go to audiences.com. that's to ww dot audiences.com. that's there right now.

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