her resignation speech today. i can tell you she did not hold back. she had suggestions, for example , and things like example, and things like building makeshift detention centres for migrants. and regarding all of these stupid legal challenge roundabouts, whatever we want to call them, she asked a very prominent question who governs britain .7 question who governs britain? and speaking of legal challenges , the government got the go ahead to use bases like raf scampton to house around 2000 migrants. do you agree with that decision? and over in the covid inquiry, boris johnson was in

the hot seat there with you. following all of that, i'm asking what on earth did we learn? what difference will any of this make? and is the approach of inquiry the approach of the inquiry the right one? and let's into right one? and let's cross into israel well israel and hamas as well tonight, because survey has tonight, because a survey has shown how young people so many of them see hamas as freedom of them now see hamas as freedom fighters, opposed to fighters, as opposed to terrorists. and of course , on terrorists. and of course, on the other side of the fence, they've got criticism now being aimed at israel about their handung aimed at israel about their handling of the situation. what do make all of that? and do you make to all of that? and let ask you very important let me ask you a very important question. is success? question. what is success? fascinating. paul shares the insights into what is making us happy and how many people actually are . are you one of actually are. are you one of them . yes indeed. i actually are. are you one of them .yes indeed. i michelle them. yes indeed. i michelle dewberry. and i'm with you. it's all 7:00 tonight. i've got a corker of a panel tonight to get stuck in the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani, alongside me, as is the academic author and polling expert, matthew goodwin. good evening to both of you . you know the drill

both of you. you know the drill as well. don't you? it's not just about us three here on dewbs& it's very much about dewbs& co. it's very much about you guys at home. what is on your mind tonight? you can get in usual ways. in touch all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com is the email. or you can tweet me at gb news. as i said, a really busy news day today. james cleverly is in parliament about to address any moment now, so let me cross live to our political editor christopher hope, and he will bnng christopher hope, and he will bring us up to speed with the latest . christopher, good latest. christopher, good evening to you. now, this is quite a big moment, isn't it? please help my viewers understand what's and understand what's happening and why so critical. well why this is so critical. well tubes, i know everyone's coming for a long day at work. >> let's let's recap briefly. as you know, the government has published the rwanda bill, the idea that bills and a treaty which would allow the government hopes this rwanda plan to work to allow the government to process arrivals on the south coast in rwanda that was thrown out by the supreme court last month, and it was announced 18

months ago and hasn't happened yet. this new legislation is meant to deal with that, but it was published about an hour ago. we've had responses so from we've had responses so far from suella braverman, who earlier gave a personal statement in which she took apart the government's record on immigration and said how important it was. but she is now reacted within the last moments to this new bill, saying this bill doesn't come close to meeting her tests. the pm has kept the ability for every single legal migrant to make individual human rights claims against their removal, she goes on, and then to appeal against those claims. if they don't succeed, is fatally flawed. succeed, it is fatally flawed. ms braverman says it will be bogged in the courts for bogged down in the courts for months. stop the boats. months. it won't stop the boats. now. the whole point of this legislation is to stop the boats , suella braverman says. it won't is a further betrayal won't do is a further betrayal of tory voters , she continues, of tory voters, she continues, and decent , patriotic and the decent, patriotic majority who want to see this insanity brought to an end. i'm sure that matthew goodwin would agree with that in the studio . agree with that in the studio. but to finish here but i've got to finish here because we are on resignation

watch at the robert watch at the moment. robert jenrick, who's the immigration minister who was pushing for a very hard line on this, is not responding to messages as there are rumours he may have resigned. we don't know if it's true yet. we're not saying it's true. we're saying we don't know the future of robert jenrick. he's immigration minister. he's the immigration minister. we're the feed the we're watching the feed from the house of right now house of commons right now because cleverly is about because james cleverly is about to and present this to stand up and present this bill. if robert jenrick is not to next him on the front bench, then you might well fear the worst about him. he's been somebody in in the home office who thoroughly gets the need to tackle the small boats, has been fighting hard for tough lines maybe even to go so far as ignore the european convention on human rights if he goes, it will really be a problem for sunak he thought that this this whole small boats policy was going to propel him forward in the polls, eat back into that 20 points lead. but labour's got labour's got no answer on

immigration on whether net migration that's legal migration or illegal migration. they merely say we're going to work more closely with in enforcement bodies on the continent and do maybe some more bilateral sales deals, nothing more than that. the tories have got a real chance to show to the country that they can tackle net migration and illegal migration. but if the immigration minister goes and he hasn't gone, that will wholly below the waterline. so we're watching what happens in the commons right now. will we see robert jenrick next to james cleverly when cleverly stands unveil this this james cleverly when cleverly stanlegislation|veil this this james cleverly when cleverly stanlegislation ?ail this this james cleverly when cleverly stanlegislation ? but1is this james cleverly when cleverly stanlegislation ? but a; this james cleverly when cleverly stanlegislation ? but a step this legislation? but a step back, we heard earlier we heard from suella braverman gave a personal statement in which she said it is vital to get to grips with the issue of small boats. it's a betrayal of everyone who voted for brexit back in 2016. so a lot happening. i know everyone's talking about the bofis boris johnson evidence up in paddington to the covid inquiry, but in politics right now there is a real battle for the soul of the tory party. back to you.

michelle fascinating update. >> thank you for that, christopher matt goodwin, christopher hope, matt goodwin, you've got a namecheck there from christopher. thoughts ? from christopher. your thoughts? >> yeah, i think what we're seeing, as chris the seeing, as chris said, is the beginning of protracted beginning of this protracted ideological civil over what ideological civil war over what is conservatism. i mean , if the is conservatism. i mean, if the conservatives lose the next election, there are going to be these factions lining up. and i was talking with suella braverman night and braverman team last night and they saying that, look, if they were saying that, look, if you if you if you look at what sunak has done on legal migration, it basically is going nowhere near to where 2019 conservatives want the to party be. so if you take everything he's announced, this week, you're only really going to cut net migration by around 300,000, right? it's is the country right? so it's is the country really going to be happy with sustaining net migration at 3 to 400,000 every year? suella braverman team are saying, no, this nonsense. the thing this is nonsense. and the thing is saying briefly is they're also saying briefly jubes he'd listened to suella jubes if he'd listened to suella in november 22nd and had done everything she suggested, he would seeing reductions would now be seeing reductions in migration, which he could take to the country ahead of the

election. but he did too little, too late. yeah, indeed. >> and i find this fascinating. too late. yeah, indeed. >wantd i find this fascinating. too late. yeah, indeed. >want to find this fascinating. too late. yeah, indeed. >want to know his fascinating. too late. yeah, indeed. >want to know yourascinating. too late. yeah, indeed. >want to know your thoughts. too late. yeah, indeed. >want to know your thoughts on i want to know your thoughts on this as well. what this at home as well. what do you think's happen you think's going to happen next? also, you know, many you think's going to happen neyou also, you know, many you think's going to happen neyou who lso, you know, many you think's going to happen neyou who voted>u know, many you think's going to happen neyou who voted toriesn, many you think's going to happen neyou who voted tories fornany you think's going to happen neyou who voted tories for the! of you who voted tories for the first didn't you? and i first time, didn't you? and i know you in touch with me know you get in touch with me regularly. tell that you regularly. you tell me that you lent tories your vote based lent the tories your vote based on, of course, things like brexit. many of voted brexit brexit. many of you voted brexit because to see that because you wanted to see that control over immigration so literally, exact literally, this is the exact opposite, it? how are you opposite, isn't it? how are you feeling but feeling tonight? tell me. but for aaron, thoughts . for now, aaron, your thoughts. >> fascinating that >> i think it's fascinating that suella talks suella braverman talks about illegal or illegal immigration or undocumented migration, but not illegal migration in that speech she the house of she gave in the house of commons, bear in mind, over the last two years, 1.3 million people have entered the uk in terms of net immigration so far this year in terms of small boats, you might want one boats, you might not want one person crossing the english channel person crossing the english channel, it's 27,000. that channel, but it's 27,000. that is of is an extraordinary magnitude of difference . it's between 27,000 difference. it's between 27,000 to 1.3 million. and i do think with braverman in particular over the over her period as home secretary, there was this focus

on small boats precisely because she couldn't get top of the she couldn't get on top of the legal migration. far harder to deal course, deal with that. and of course, as matthews just said, that is not what was being pitched after brexit. brexit, we were brexit. after brexit, we were told we'll have more australians , canadians , more us , more canadians, more us nationals will be open to the world. and realistically we've substituted large immigration from european countries for poorer countries from the global south. number one right now is india . i south. number one right now is india. i think nigeria is third or fourth. some people won't have a problem with that, some will. but the point is that's never really been the pitch. the conservatives, the electorate. >> i told you soon as james cleverly speaking cleverly started speaking at cross live, he's about to do so. let's to parliament. let's cross to parliament. >> smuggled across the channel three weeks ago, the supreme court handed down their judgement on this government's migration and economic development agreement with rwanda . in that judgement, their rwanda. in that judgement, their lordships upheld the high court and the court of appeal that it is lawful to relocate illegal

migrants who have no right to be here to another safe country for asylum processing and resettlement . but the court resettlement. but the court upheld the judgement of the court of appeal, meaning that the government cannot yet lawfully remove people to rwanda . this was due to the court's concern was that relocated individuals might be fulfilled , individuals might be fulfilled, i.e. removed, to a country where they could face persecution or ill treatment. we did not agree with that assessment, but of course we respect the judgement of the supreme court. course we respect the judgement of the supreme court . the of the supreme court. the supreme court also also acknowledged that their concerns were not immutable . they were were not immutable. they were not an aspiration , sorry, were not an aspiration, sorry, were not an aspiration, sorry, were not an aspiration, sorry, were not an aspersion on rwanda's intentions, an and that changes may be delivered in the future, which could address their

concerns today , i can inform the concerns today, i can inform the house that those concerns have been concluded , mercifully been concluded, mercifully answered, and those changes made as a result of intensive diplomacy by the prime minister, by the foreign commonwealth and development office, by the attorney general's office and of course by the home office , as we course by the home office, as we have created a situation which addresses the concerns our rule of law partnership with rwanda sets out in a legally binding international treaty. the obugafions international treaty. the obligations both on the united kingdom and rwanda with within international law and sets out to this house and to the courts. why rwanda is and will remain a safe country for the purposes of

asylum and resettlement. this is asylum and resettlement. this is a partnership to which we and rwanda are both completely committed. ruth under is a safe and prosperous country. it is a vital partner for the uk and our treaty puts beyond legal doubt the safety of rwanda and ends the safety of rwanda and ends the endless merry go round of legal challenges that have frustrated covid thus far. this policy and second guess the will of parliament. i want to put on record my gratitude towards to president kagame foreign minister biruta and the rwandan government for working with us at pace to do what it takes to get this deal up and running with flights taking off as soon as possible , rwanda will as possible, rwanda will introduce use strengthened end to end asylum system , which will to end asylum system, which will include a new specialist asylum appeals tribunal can to consider

individual all appeals against any refused claim. it will have one rwandan and one other commonwealth co—president and be made up of judges from a mix of nafions made up of judges from a mix of nations selected by those co—president . as we have been co—president. as we have been working with rwanda to build capacity and to make clear to those relocating to rwanda that they will not be sent to another third country. the treaty is binding in international law . it binding in international law. it also enhances the role of the independent monitoring committee, which will ensure adherence to obligations under the treaty and have the power to setits the treaty and have the power to set its own priority areas for monitor thing. it will be given unfettered access to complete assessments and reports and monitor the entire relocation process, including initial screening to relocate mission

and settlement in rwanda and it will develop a system , a system will develop a system, a system to enable relocated individuals and legal representatives to lodge confidential complaints directly with the committee . but directly with the committee. but given the supreme court's judgement , given the supreme court's judgement, we cannot be confident that courts will respect it. the new treaty on its own. so today the government has published emergency legislation on to make unamsil rigorously clear that rwanda is a safe country and to prevent the courts from second guessing parliament's will. we will introduce this legislation tomorrow in the form of the safety of rwanda asylum and immigration bill to give effect to the judgement of parliament that rwanda is a safe country . that rwanda is a safe country. notwithstanding uk law or or any

interpretation of international law for the purpose of the bill, a safe country is defined as one to which people may be removed from the uk in compliance with all of the united kingdom's obugafions all of the united kingdom's obligations under international law that are relevant to the treatment in that country of people who are removed. there it means that someone removed to that country will not be removed or sent to another country. in contrary mention of any international law and anyone who is seeking asylum or who has had asylum, determination action will have their claim determined and be treated in accordance with that country's obligation . with that country's obligation. actions under international law. anyone remove aid to rwanda under the provisions of the treaty will not be removed from rwanda except to the united

kingdom in a very small number of limited and extreme circumstances . the uk , the of limited and extreme circumstances. the uk , the uk circumstances. the uk, the uk and. and should the uk require just the return of any relocated person? rwanda will make them available . all decision makers available. all decision makers which both the home secretary and immigration officers and the courts must all treat rwanda as a safe country and they must do so notwithstanding all relevant uk law or any interpretation of international law, including the human rights convention, the refugee convention, the international convention on civil and political rights, 1966, the un convention against torture and other cruel and inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment. 1984 the council of europe convention on action against trafficking in human beings done at warsaw on the 16th of may 2005, customary international law and any other international law and any other international law and any other international law or convention

or rule of international law whatsoever, including any order, judgement, decision or measure of the european court of human rights. where are the european court of human rights? indicates an interim measure relief relating to the intended removal of someone to rwanda under or purportedly under a provision of immigration act. a minister of the crown alone and not a court or tribunal will decide whether the united kingdom will comply with those interim measures and to further prevent individual claims to prevent removal. the bill dis applies the relevant provisions in the human rights act 1998, including sections two, three, six, seven, eight and nine. it is a bill which is lawful , it is and nine. it is a bill which is lawful, it is fair and it and nine. it is a bill which is lawful , it is fair and it is lawful, it is fair and it is necessary because people will only stop coming here illegally when they know that they cannot stay here and that they will be detained and quickly removed to

a safe third country because , mr a safe third country because, mr deputy speaker, it is only by breaking the cycle and delivering a deterrent that we will remove the incentive for people to be smuggled here and stop the boats. this legislation builds on the illegal migration act that this house passed this summer and complements the basket of other measures that the uk government is employing to end the illegal migration. the largest ever small boats deal with france , for example, deal with france, for example, tackling the supply of boats and parts , the arrest and conviction parts, the arrest and conviction of people smugglers and illegal working raids have all helped to drive down small boats. arrivals drive down small boats. arrivals drive them down by more than a third this year , as the numbers third this year, as the numbers are indeed rising elsewhere in europe, mr deputy speaker,

parliament and the public alike support that. the rwanda plan other countries have since copied our plans with rwanda , copied our plans with rwanda, and we know from interviews that the prospect of being relocated out of the uk has already had a deterrent effect . this will be deterrent effect. this will be considerably magnified when we get those flights to rwanda. this treaty , sea and this new this treaty, sea and this new bill will help to make that a reality. and i commend this statement to the house order and the usual rules apply that only those who have been for here the statement should stand to ask a question of the statement . question of the statement. >> well, there you go. that was indeed james cleverly giving his announcement there on this new rwanda bill. let's cross the line back to christopher hope for immediate reaction from him. christopher now, unless my eyes deceive me, i don't think they did. i've got my spectacles on robert jenrick wasn't on that

front bench . front bench. >> no, it wasn't. and tory mp is now do think he may be on the way again. i'm looking at my laptop in front of me to check i'm not missing anything . we i'm not missing anything. we don't know the future of him at the moment. all we can say is we don't know his future. we don't know if he's resigned or not. of course, rishi is course, the pm rishi sunak is there front bench. it's there on the front bench. it's his big idea. he wants to show voters news viewers that he voters gb news viewers that he wants match his his his wants to match his his his rhetoric on small boats. he's had enough of them. enough is enough with words. which is this rwanda bill. problem is that rwanda bill. the problem is that suella braverman slightly suella braverman has slightly holed it below the waterline with that statement 5:00, with that statement at 5:00, friends saying this will friends of hers saying this will not the boats . now, if not stop the boats. now, if added to that robert jenrick resign as immigration minister. again, he wasn't there. he wasn't there. crucially, next to james cleverly when this this bill was unveiled that does speak volumes, i think about maybe what he thinks about this legislation. he's not willing to be seen to be on the front bench presenting it. and is the

presenting it. and he is the immigration minister. so we don't know what his future is tonight. we're tonight. we're of course, we're trying him for gb trying to contact him for gb news viewers. as soon as we hear anything, be the first to anything, we'll be the first to tell but doesn't look tell you. but it doesn't look great. and stepping from great. and stepping back from that, warm you that, all those warm words you heard there james cleverly, heard there from james cleverly, if the immigration minister resigns published and resigns when it's published and we know that he was trying to get hard bill to make sure get a hard bill to make sure this measure take place and this measure can take place and happen that look great. happen, that doesn't look great. now, number 10 is very bullish. they this is the best chance they say this is the best chance you've got. labour hasn't got an answer on immigration. illegal or course or illegal. and of course they're right. there is not much labour will this. they labour will say on this. they will they'll reverse the will say they'll reverse the rwanda plan and they'll say they're sure what they'll do they're not sure what they'll do with salaries to with with lifting salaries to try and deal with the issue of low skilled migrants arriving legally and net migration legally and net migration legally . they're not sure. not legally. they're not sure. not saying anything. so this is a chance here for the tories to show that to the rest of the country. they do care about borders and immigration and they are do something are willing to do something about but as things stand, about it. but as things stand, it's great. but they

it's not looking great. but they will it, even if will carry on with it, even if jenrick goes, he's gone. this is what they'll and do. and what they'll try and do. and number 10 is clear. these planes can in the spring with can take off in the spring with migrants on newly arrived for processing in rwanda . if that processing in rwanda. if that happens, it's a boost for happens, it's a big boost for the tories, but it's a big if tonight. >> let me ask you this and pure speculation. but let's just say if gone, you if jenrick has gone, do you think we'll moving any closer think we'll be moving any closer to, don't know, letters of no to, i don't know, letters of no confidence in sunak ? well this confidence in sunak? well this talk, michelle, in in parliament that more letters are going in. >> i'm not sure what the point of letters of no confidence in is in the pm because no one is available to stand against him. there's no obvious candidate who can stand against him. if anything, think that right anything, i think that right wing tory mps me by putting wing tory mps tell me by putting in letters to in graham brady if that threshold of around 50 letters is beaten down and then graham brady, the chairman of the 1922 committee, must then all organise a vote of no confidence. it's almost to put a shot across the bows of the pm to show him to re—orientate

towards where the party's grass roots are. the base . don't roots are. the base. don't forget this prime minister wasn't by members of the wasn't elected by members of the party. he was. he was really imposed by tory mps on the country and this idea of legitimacy he's been struggling with, struggling with since then. i'm thinking back to john major in 1995 when he organised a vote of confidence in himself, if only to cement his authority on the backbenches . that option on the backbenches. that option is open to the prime minister he knows that the clock is ticking and there's no obvious candidate to stand against him. so if he goes with that, it's high risk and it might present the country as a as a bickering group of mps running it running the country. but it might best chance he's might be the best chance he's got to unite him and got to unite behind him and fight labour. >> christopher harrop, thank you very much for that insight. i can tell you, i know my viewers at home when i just asked chris then about the letters of no confidence and christopher said there's no obvious person to replace him, swear heard replace him, i swear i heard a lot of you shout from your surfers. suella i hate you. i

hate you. what do you mix all that then? especially the robert jenrick bit ? jenrick bit? >> yeah. i did an event with robert jenrick at the conservative party, the conservative party, the conservative party, the conservative party conference recently, and i have to say, jeeves, i quite struck jeeves, i was quite struck actually at how hardline he was on immigration and he's clearly been himself as the been positioning himself as the suella 2.0. but as i said on twitter tonight , what we're twitter tonight, what we're seeing here, jeeves, is the beginning of a tory civil war between been establishment conservatives that are basically comfortable with the status quo on immigration, on borders , on on immigration, on borders, on security and national conservatives like suella braverman may be robert jenrick. let's see some of those 29 2019 conservative mps in the red wall who are saying, no, we want net migration down, we want borders strengthened, we want to leave things like the echr and this is eternal clash is just beginning and it is going to dominate 2024. >> i think it most certainly will, aaron. >> so much to talk about . we've >> so much to talk about. we've

we've not even mentioned what james cleverly was saying in the house. >> no, no, we did not, which is pretty extraordinary. >> he seems to be saying that an act of parliament will supersede any challenge supreme any challenge from the supreme court or the supreme court in a european context. two legal european context. so two legal levers. looking to levers. it's looking to supersede. i don't think that's constitution. mean, that's the constitution. i mean, that's the whole out what you whole way it works out what you would do. imagine, is would have to do. i imagine, is you'd have to abolish you'd probably have to abolish the court and you'd have the supreme court and you'd have to the echr. so to withdraw from the echr. so let's see where that goes. secondly we look, if the tories are talking about another leader, they'll be looking at four leaders in a single parliament. >> and to be fair to them, it want talk it me. want them talk about it with me. i flirting. no, but you i was just flirting. no, but you know, the letters that's been talked about, hasn't it, in the last let's say. last week, let's say. >> and i think right to last week, let's say. >> most think right to last week, let's say. >> most tory< right to last week, let's say. >> most tory voters right to last week, let's say. >> most tory voters fromt to last week, let's say. >> most tory voters from 2019 say most tory voters from 2019 would prefer suella braverman. i have doubts, but she's have my own doubts, but she's never delivered very have my own doubts, but she's never but delivered very have my own doubts, but she's never but anyway, 'ed very have my own doubts, but she's never but anyway, they're much. but anyway, they're entitled to have opinion. entitled to have that opinion. but beginning to but strangely, i'm beginning to think the better think the sooner the better for the with general the tories with a general election on. i really think that before yeah, i think because before yeah, i think so. because look, deliver and

look, if they don't deliver and this on for another 8 or this drags on for another 8 or 9 months, i don't think immigration is going to be a particularly useful policy for them election. the them in a general election. the sooner better. right now, sooner the better. right now, as you were saying, least, you were saying, at least, there's a of blue water there's a bit of blue water between them and labour and they can courts if they can point to the courts if they do what cleverly's saying. and they fail deliver next do what cleverly's saying. and they i fail deliver next do what cleverly's saying. and they i thinkl deliver next do what cleverly's saying. and they i think that's..iver next do what cleverly's saying. and they i think that's. host1ext do what cleverly's saying. and they i think that's. host this year. i think that's. host this is the one card they've got. they've got to use well, if they've got to use it. well, if they don't, they're looking at 97 style defeat. they don't, they're looking at 97 styleyouaat. they don't, they're looking at 97 styleyou know, they don't, they're looking at 97 style you know, briefly, >> and you know, just briefly, i agree with much of that and i think number be thinking think number 10 will be thinking maybe should go early. maybe they should go early. but there's there's points there's two there's two points they would make against that. one if you go late in 24, let one is if you go late in 24, let inflation keep declining, let one is if you go late in 24, let infl inflationp declining, let one is if you go late in 24, let infl inflation numbers|g, let one is if you go late in 24, let infl inflation numbers keep: the inflation numbers keep coming and secondly, hope coming down. and secondly, hope and and i agree with you, and pray. and i agree with you, the numbers won't the small boat numbers won't really net really fall dramatically net migration, will migration, legal migration will go probably actually in go up probably actually in response to the measures, this this, this week, we'll see a big rush among migrants to get in before those measures take effect, but also they're hoping and praying the nhs waiting list narrow between now and the next election. they begin to fall. so

that will be the logic in number 10. but i agree. look, this is a party that is heading for a heavy defeat. i actually think we agree on that. >> is there anything that could change the question? anything? >> because this >> well well, no, because this is a party that doesn't know what anymore. dbs. this is what it is anymore. dbs. this is a that doesn't really a party that doesn't really understand it understand who's voting for it anymore. so it is heading anymore. and so it is heading for defeat. question for defeat. the question is, what's that defeat? what's the scale of that defeat? and number 10, people will say now the exercise is damage limitation. just save 150, 175 seats. others are saying the tories actually now need to be completely replaced and maybe thatis completely replaced and maybe that is what suella and people like her are thinking over the longer term, a reconfiguration of the right in british politics. maybe that is what the country needs. >> see, i find it interesting because they should have known what they stood for, which is conservatism. but the argument will lot of my viewers will be in a lot of my viewers will be in a lot of my viewers will writing to tell me will be writing in to tell me this now. they will say they drifted away from that. they moved their right moved away from their right leanings. moved away leanings. they they moved away from low taxes, their from their low taxes, their

small moved away small states. they moved away from pledges from their pledges of immigration. not that immigration. and it's not that they know what they stand they don't know what they stand for, it's that they moved away from supposedly from what they were supposedly standing if they standing for. so surely if they pulled back, do you think pulled it back, do you think i don't know. let's just say the right of it. they right gets a hold of it. they move back. could redeem move it back. could they redeem themselves in your eyes? >> well, i think the big obstacles. let's take obstacles. so let's take the focus from tories for focus away from the tories for one moment. the big obstacles are echr. supreme court are the echr. the supreme court are the echr. the supreme court are to are genuine obstacles to enacting the kind of immigration policy you're about policy that you're talking about here. obstacles here. they are genuine obstacles to course, the to that. and of course, the reality in this country we reality is in this country we have sovereignty. have parliamentary sovereignty. the change all the government could change all of that with an act of parliament. they choose not to because massive political parliament. they choose not to becalthey massive political parliament. they choose not to becalthey don't|assive political parliament. they choose not to becalthey don't wante political parliament. they choose not to becalthey don't wante phave.il fight they don't want to have. and in ways it's and in many ways it's relitigating what we went through with brexit through in 2016 with the brexit referendum. parliament is sovereign. represents referendum. parliament is sov

for small businesses. so that historic coalition theirs , historic coalition of theirs, mortgage rates to that historic coalition of theirs is just being smashed from all sides. and it does really defy belief that so many experienced politicians are doing so little about it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean , on this, graham says, >> i mean, on this, graham says, michelle, please , can i say to michelle, please, can i say to your panel they can still sweep to victory the tories, if they have the good sense to spot the open goal and cancel, fully cancel all net zero. do you agree with that? terry no. graham that was the problem with the net zero issue for the conservatives, which rishi sunak has been trying to move on. >> we saw the flurry of announcements about six weeks ago things ulez and ago around things like ulez and delaying heat pumps and that kind of stuff lots of voters kind of stuff is lots of voters like graham really care about it. but there in the country it. but out there in the country , climate issue is number , the climate issue is number six, seven in the list. six, number seven in the list. if want know the three if you want to know the three issues that really matter, that will shape the election, will shape the next election, it's of living crisis. it's the cost of living crisis. the economy, nhs, state the economy, it's nhs, a state of the accident and emergency departments and gp's and it's

immigration. those are the three big ones that will determine where does net net zero come? >> because i know a lot of people are getting touch with me. it is big for them. >> it's big for some people, but out there in the country, it's number six. it's number seven. look, this is why don't look at the next election through the prism and prism of british politics and forget johnson. forget about boris johnson. forget truss. look forget about liz truss. look at the election through the the next election through the prism politics prism of inflation, the politics of inflation. in every election that's been held since inflation has peaked, incumbent governments have been smashed. argentina, netherlands, italy. france and netherlands, italy. in incumbents have basically been smashed. so already rishi sunakisin been smashed. so already rishi sunak is in a corner before he even does anything on migration. the nhs and so on. that's why it's so difficult for the conservatives because voters out there are saying, i going there are saying, how am i going to to the end of the month? to get to the end of the month? how am i going to afford all of these price hikes? >> i'm going to suggest something. all right, i've something. and all right, i've not fully through in not thought it fully through in terms so don't terms of legality, so don't come at actually at me with that. i actually think there's only one way now that you can properly stop these

small boats, that is to small boats, and that is to deploy form of turn back, deploy some form of turn back, push back operation to push back operation action to stop reaching stop those boats reaching british waters in the first place. the problem with that , place. the problem with that, and i can hear you shouting at the screen, everybody, is that people potentially you can people then potentially you can have a potential risk to life if people are overboard, people are going overboard, etcetera. a etcetera. but there's a potential life anyway. potential risk to life anyway. when on boats in when you get on these boats in the place. do you think the first place. do you think our government ever our government would ever consider that? consider anything like that? >> the is, it can go >> arun the thing is, it can go very badly wrong, michel. if you have several hundred have sort of several hundred people just people die, that doesn't just reflect the reflect poorly on the government, poorly on government, reflects poorly on the country. i think you're right. it would something right. it would take something like leaving the echr like that or leaving the echr or scrapping court. scrapping the supreme court. they're to go they're going to have to go very, big. they'll probably very, very big. they'll probably still anyway. but think still fail anyway. but i think that's the sort of level you're talking you this whole that's the sort of level you're talkinof you this whole that's the sort of level you're talkinof will this whole that's the sort of level you're talkinof will change is whole that's the sort of level you're talkinof will change national thing of we will change national insurance rates. so insurance contribution rates. so the average person on 30 grand a year save £30 a month. year will save £30 a month. great same person's great that same person's mortgage just went up £400 a month. they really need to do month. so they really need to do something big, decisive, bold, all of the issues you just

talked about and probably more besides , but i don't think besides, but i don't think they've got the chops for it, because if you start even if you even the audacity to start even have the audacity to start talking about turn backs or push backs like that, backs or things like that, immediately people will pop up and talking oh, and start talking about, oh, well, the human rights and the risk to life and this and that and the other. >> makes people then and the other. >> so makes people then and the other. >> so they kes people then and the other. >> so they wouldn'te then and the other. >> so they wouldn't haven and the other. >> so they wouldn't have the panic so they wouldn't have the chops, i don't think to see through policy like that. but through a policy like that. but i a lot of my viewers i can hear a lot of my viewers already saying that they would like an operation like like to see an operation like that deployed. >> well, of course, because the conservative party has always backed away from the fight. you know, it had that big tussle with business about it with business about whether it was going to force business to raise wages and invest in british workers or was it going to allow business to keep importing cheap workers. and it gave importing cheap workers. and it ga business, keep importing to business, keep importing cheap workers. issue of cheap workers. on the issue of the rishi sunak the small boats, rishi sunak would this big, bold would not do this big, bold measure that aaron's talking about because instinctively that's look, that's not where he is. look, the only the conservatives the only thing the conservatives understand pressure from the understand is pressure from the right. ultimately, it's going right. so ultimately, it's going to come to parties like to come down to parties like reform or maybe nigel farage or whoever exert

whoever who is going to exert pressure and and pressure on them and try and outline bold measures outline the big, bold measures that they're not willing to do themselves. just while we're themselves. and just while we're here, let's forget, here, labour, let's not forget, do not have a credible plan for deaung do not have a credible plan for dealing the boats, dealing with the small boats, right? not saying the right? i'm not saying the conservative but all keir conservative do, but all keir starmer far is smash starmer has said so far is smash the well anybody who's the gangs. well anybody who's worked issue, the worked on this issue, the national crime agency included , national crime agency included, knows on its own will not knows that on its own will not work. you need an active deterrent. that's a lesson from australia. it's you. we need to have a third country processing centre to discourage people from risking their lives in the channel. so maybe, you know, some conservative are saying, well, let labour win the next election. let's see how this issue looks in three years, four years, five years where you've got 100, 200,000 crossing. >> i want to hear from you >> well, i want to hear from you tonight. you'll have tonight. i know you'll have very strong this issue. strong opinions on this issue. one my panellists, it one of my panellists, i think it was before yesterday, ben was day before yesterday, ben habib, he was actually saying so much on migration. much focus is on net migration. he actually saying if you he was actually saying if you actually at numbers actually look at the numbers coming into country, he coming into the country, he raised interesting raised that very interesting point about actual cultural

shifts going on and point about actual cultural shiftis going on and point about actual cultural shiftis often going on and point about actual cultural shiftis often not)ing on and point about actual cultural shiftis often not discussedd point about actual cultural shiftis often not discussed as that is often not discussed as well. you might be familiarjust on that immigration topic with the was a ruling the fact that there was a ruling today, was small sliver of today, it was a small sliver of good for the government in good news for the government in one regard, because meant one regard, because it meant that next step forward that it's the next step forward to and get this everyone to allow and get this everyone about an about 2000 migrants as an example , to move into scampton . example, to move into scampton. and i can tell you now that has really, really divided opinion . really, really divided opinion. many people saying, yes, this is great news, somewhere decent for them to live. would you want to live with an raaf base with 2000 people crossing the boats , people crossing the boats, crossing the channel at the end of road, would you you get of your road, would you you get in touch and tell me your thoughts on all that? there thoughts on all of that? there is lot to unpick. is a lot to unpick. vaiews@gbnews.com after the break, into again break, i want to get into again a very topic you guys, a very deep topic with you guys, one many of you have one that i know many of you have strong opinions about. there has been some polling which shows that youth of today, they that the youth of today, they sympathise more with palestinians israelis. palestinians then israelis. let's unpick this, shall we? what do you make to it.

>> i'm sorry, mr keith. i appreciate it. can you hold that

train of thought? >> you're listening to gb news radio . hi there . radio. hi there. >> michelle dewberry with you till seven. wow. what a busy news day today. the perfect panel to help on picket co—founder novara media. aaron bastani, academic author and polling expert. what a title , polling expert. what a title, everyone. matt goodwin i'll be talking about one of his polls in just a second. you guys in the break were just talking about whether or who about whether or not or who would potentially be the next tory leader . i would potentially be the next tory leader. i was suggesting suella you don't think it would get the plp? basically, get past the plp? basically, i think suella would very, very think suella would be very, very interesting leader. >> i think as i've written extensively, she's closer to pubuc and extensively, she's closer to public and most public opinion and most conservative mps. would worry conservative mps. i would worry about the parliamentary party conspiring to block her in getting that top spot. my personal hunch is they'll probably do something rather stupid and go for a kind of, you know, liberal, centrist kind of figure and conclude that their defeat is because of people like suella, would be the wrong suella, which would be the wrong

conclusion conservative conclusion for the conservative party draw . party to draw. >> aaron i think if they want to go establishment, they go full establishment, they might dc david cameron in might get dc david cameron in the top job. we haven't had a lord as prime minister for a long time, but you can do it and he's foreign secretary. >> so are you trying to give my viewers heart attack when viewers a heart attack when they're their tea? they're trying to eat their tea? >> that'd be disastrous for the conservatives. >> it would disastrous. but >> it would be disastrous. but if i think we agree on if that's i think we agree on the logic they're sort of the logic that they're sort of adopting establishment move adopting more establishment move away from brexit, move away from the attack the the culture wars, attack the right party, the best right of the party, the best person would person for the job would probably be cameron. >> but that logic is a comfort blanket. what's going the blanket. what's going on is the conservatives haven't understood that reinvent that they need to reinvent themselves a completely themselves to be a completely different kind of party, to reconnect the country different kind of party, to reconnec as the country different kind of party, to reconnec as i the country different kind of party, to reconnecas i think country different kind of party, to reconnecas i think we|ntry different kind of party, to reconnecas i think we agree, because as i think we agree, they're not capable of doing that. established that. these are established tories. these are national tories. these are not national conservatives. tories. these are not national conse now ves. tories. these are not national consenow iss. tories. these are not national conse now is for national right now is for national conservatives who understand the importance security, cutting importance of security, cutting migration, importance of security, cutting migratio all that kind stuff. borders, all that kind of stuff. >> just before i >> i mentioned just before i went the that decision went to the break, that decision about scampton. the fact that about scampton. so the fact that actually now actually we're a step closer now to those potential 2000 migrants

being into that former raf being moved into that former raf base and one of the things i was also mentioning pre the break is the of shift that people the kind of shift that people get concerned about when you have much migration into have so much migration into a country, that's people country, whether that's people that on these that are getting on these dinghies, whether that's just normal legal, regular migration , normal legal, regular migration, whatever you want it, whatever you want to call it, the are the cultural shifts that are occurring often i hear people occurring so often i hear people being called far right. so many protesters, example, have protesters, for example, have been scampton saying been outside scampton saying they this to be they don't want this base to be transformed this way. there transformed in this way. there was lot development plans was a lot of development plans for that are probably was a lot of development plans for not that are probably was a lot of development plans for not going1at are probably was a lot of development plans for not going to are probably was a lot of development plans for not going to happen.�*ably was a lot of development plans for not going to happen. and now not going to happen. and i've heard many times those i've heard so many times those people that don't want 2000 migrants, far right this far right, that that's those right, that that's what those people about. people are labelled about. do you concern you think there's a concern about cultural changes because of think of immigration? do you think it's concern ? it's a valid concern? >> there's enormous concern about both economic the about both the economic and the cultural immigration, cultural impact of immigration, and is not far right to voice and it is not far right to voice that concern. what you are seeing in the polling and the surveys, especially the ones that i look at every day, vast majorities of british people are saying they want migration

reduced sharply. they want the pace of change slowed down. and what we're seeing with this new immigration policy under the conservatives is a lot more migration from poorer countries outside of the european union. less migration from inside the european union . so what this is european union. so what this is going to mean is that the fabric of british society , the culture of british society, the culture of british society, the culture of britain, is inevitably going to change very radically over the next 20, 30 years. i'll give you one stat. if you look at the pew research centre, very reliable, very centrist research organisation, it says the share of britain's population that is muslim will increase from 6% today to about 17% by 2050. so about a three fold increase. >> that is a staggering in quite a short period of time. >> and this is not to be alarmist, but this is what i'm trying to say here, is we all want to live in a successful, cohesive, unified society. i think everyone on the left and the right would agree with that. but you subject people to but when you subject people to a scale pace of change that we

scale and pace of change that we are doing with no plan for integration, for what it means for the national service, for the national health service, for the national health service, for for public for what it means for public services, for what it means services, as for what it means for local communities, for british workers, that is a recipe for disaster, which is why more sceptical ol why i'm far more sceptical ol than many of my friends in the universities about the effects of mass migration on the country i >> -- >> we do share those concerns . >> we do share those concerns. >> we do share those concerns. >> siren well, concerns is a big one. look what we're going through right now is unprecedented. 1.3 million people, net migration in the last two years is enormous and the tories have done something quite extraordinary, which is people say, look, remainers are pro—immigration and the brexiteers are anti—immigration. actually we a plurality of remain voters from 2016 think net migration is too high. so you've got people who voted remain more often than not think the tories have actually gone too far in in basically what matthew calls changing the composition of the country or whatever over the last two years. so actually it's not that black and white. we've got this culture the liberals culture war. the liberals want more migration and the conservatives less . i think

conservatives want less. i think actually probably a actually there's probably a consensus net migration is consensus that net migration is too high. i have my own personal views. for instance, i would probably something a probably adopt something like a green bit like the us. i green card, a bit like the us. i think that's a good way of doing things, as think we probably things, as i think we probably need in need strategic immigration in certain the economy certain sectors of the economy and others. i think we need higher wages, instance, the and others. i think we need higheweages, instance, the and others. i think we need highewe need instance, the and others. i think we need highewe need to instance, the and others. i think we need highewe need to be tance, the and others. i think we need highewe need to be training1e and others. i think we need highewe need to be training far nhs. we need to be training far more own people. so it's more of our own people. so it's a complex debate. i would a complex debate. what i would say protesting, saying say is people protesting, saying they don't want 2000 people in a refugee the from refugee camp down the road from them. they're not far them. of course, they're not far right. be. i'm sure right. some will be. i'm sure there'll nasty people there'll be some nasty people like with any group of like you would with any group of people. there'll be some good people, some bad people. many, many good people. many more good people. but i don't that's far right many more good people. but i don't to that's far right many more good people. but i don't to not hat's far right many more good people. but i don't to not want far right many more good people. but i don't to not want 2000'ight many more good people. but i don't to not want 2000 people thing to not want 2000 people dumped that way. and dumped on you in that way. and the reality is, actually, many of people asylum of those people seeking asylum in this country would far rather be in major cities amongst their own whether that's own communities. whether that's afghan whatever. afghan or syrian or whatever. they to be in some they don't want to be in some rural part england completely rural part of england completely disconnected from their own communities. , be put communities. and frankly, be put at odds with with what are often

very small villages, small towns, complete changing the sort of atmosphere culturally of the place. so i'm sounding like i agree too much with matthew, but i think the one thing that i just wanted to push back on you a little bit on is when people on the left say, i'm not sure if i'm concerned about this. >> one of the things that worries me about the immigration that we've got, i'm that we've got, what i'm concerned things, concerned about some things, but not others is lot of it has not others is a lot of it has been shown particularly low skilled places skilled migration from places like sub—saharan africa and so to a net fiscal cost to to on be a net fiscal cost to the british economy. and we know to on be a net fiscal cost to the ithat h economy. and we know to on be a net fiscal cost to the ithat massiomy. and we know to on be a net fiscal cost to the ithat mass migration we know to on be a net fiscal cost to the ithat mass migration ise know now that mass migration is undermining us undermining the wages us financial of british financial security of british workers workers workers and workers across western so can't western economies. so why can't we just open this we just be open about this and say also for housing, you know, more 50% social housing more than 50% of social housing in london is occupied by in london is now occupied by people are not british. why people who are not british. why can't we be open about and people who are not british. why can"born be open about and people who are not british. why can"born be britain, out and people who are not british. why can"born be britain, this and say, born in britain, this separate thing, this is this is not for any modern not acceptable for any modern society be be relegating society to be to be relegating its own citizens in this way from having access to basic services. it's not acceptable . services. it's not acceptable. when i concern in this, i'll clarify. >> so instance, we i think

>> so for instance, we i think last year nursing last year on the nursing register, 50% of people joining the nursing register were uk the nursing register were non uk nationals . now they're coming nationals. now they're coming from nigeria and from overseas like nigeria and ghana. precisely. and we to ghana. precisely. and we need to change that very quickly. but the point is, if you said next yean the point is, if you said next year, no nurses can come from year, [10 nurses can come from overseas, year, no nurses can come from overseas, the nhs would collapse. so i think needs to collapse. so i think it needs to be a thoughtful, be done in a thoughtful, intelligent in terms intelligent way in terms of housing, public housing, in terms of public service, wages. big service, in terms of wages. big picture, broadly agree, but i picture, i broadly agree, but i think this needs to be done in a smart way, not in a way which is sort of maximising political theatre for or that theatre for this or that political party. just remind me again stat you just again of that stat that you just told the islamic. told us about the islamic. >> word >> wow. how did you just word it? we're we're going to see, i mean, the share britain's mean, the share of britain's population will increase more than threefold the share of britain's population. >> will increase >> that is muslim will increase from about 6% to estimated, and an by about 2050, an estimated 17% by about 2050, according that's not according to pew. that's not just us, by the way. if you look at sweden, france, germany, we're going to see we're all going to see considerable that, we're all going to see corthezrable that, we're all going to see corthe way,3 that, we're all going to see corthe way, is that, we're all going to see corthe way, is based that, we're all going to see corthe way, is based on that, by the way, is based on forecasts from 2019, 2020 before

we've been having these record net migration levels . so what net migration levels. so what we're going to see are changes that will be profound. we're already accepting a city about the size of coventry every year in net migration. and look, i just want us to be real about this debate because, you know, aaron, to give you one example, housing, right? you'd agree with me, i think on this, we built 180,000 homes last year. we need to build 600,000 just to keep up with to build 600,000 just to keep up witibut i'll tell you what we do >> but i'll tell you what we do need to do. i need to listen to the people that have been talking in my ear the talking to me in my ear for the last few minutes asking me to go to break. this you say to a break. but this you say it's a very real conversation. it's also a very important conversation, a crucial conversation, a crucial conversation people

in two. hello there. i'm michelle jubin. i'm with you until 7:00. it's flying by today. these guys are matt goodwin. aaron bastani remained alongside. we're having

fascinating conversations during the i keep asking them. the break. i keep asking them. stop, stop, stop. wait until we come back. marilyn says, i've learned boris and now learned my vote to boris and now i'm it back and i'm i'm taking it back and i'm giving it to reform because all labour have is stop us labour have done is stop us clamping on lowering clamping down on lowering illegal migration at every single opportune. rich single opportune. pretty rich says, , can you ask your says, please, can you ask your viewers, your panellists and i'll ask them this in a second. what is the number of immigrants theythe country, say, over the into the country, say, over the next years? i'll ask that in next ten years? i'll ask that in a second, steve says, i feel betrayed if is betrayed and ignored if this is the best that the current crop of conservative hierarchy can do, helpers do, then lord helpers who said they couldn't fish and they couldn't run a fish and chip efficiently, let alone chip shop efficiently, let alone a country, those who come on with migration of applied to with net migration of applied to come back have been given permission there come here permission there of come here predominantly get work and predominantly to get work and they should be given permission to work over to you back to this conversation that we're just having about cultural change. >> well here's what i think we should do. we should get rid of all of these massive net migration figures. we should

announce that we're going to have a net migration cap at 50,000 to 100,000 a year. and we're going to have a five year break on all further forms of migration so we can absorb the mass migration of the last 20 years. that would be a reasonable policy proposal that allows us to still have us workers, to still have nurses, to still have some high skilled migration, which is what the conservative has promised us. it would allow to us remove the fiscal low, the low skilled migration, which is a fiscal drain on the economy, and it would also allow us crucially to focus on integrating and absorbing the enormous amounts of migration over the last 20 years. now i've polled this jeeves and this is a very popular policy. about 55 to 60% of the country say, yep , give us of the country say, yep, give us a five year break on migration. we're a tolerant country. we're a welcoming country. we've taken our fair share of refugees. we'll continue do do that we'll continue to do to do that in proportion to other countries. but let's have a five year and let's let's bring

year break and let's let's bring that net migration figure below 100,000. is that the solution then? >> is that the solution then? >> is that the solution then? >> no, i don't think so. i think we're an ageing society and we also have the problem of people leaving. so with nurses, teachers going to countries like australia and the united states, long term, we probably don't disagree, right? we need to train our own people up and we need to really have a high skill, high productivity economy for country. but for people in this country. but that's going to happen that's not going to happen overnight. worry for overnight. so my worry is, for instance, would have instance, you would have basically in in the basically a crisis in in the care system, in private care care system, in the private care system you did something like system if you did something like that. i don't think we should have low paid immigrant workers running system. that's running the care system. that's what to go from what we've got. but to go from a to going to take a to b, it's going to take a while. and you need be pragmatic. >> i do think it's fascinating, by the the time people by the way, all the time people talk about the care sector and the amount of workers needed there. one ever brings the there. no one ever brings up the fact that think it was about fact that i think it was about 40,000 care workers got given the decided the boot because they decided to have what have body autonomy over what they their own they injected into their own bodies. i still think that was an absolute disgrace. anyway, what to what i just

said? >> yeah. i mean, i don't find i don't find it convincing. i mean, i think, you know, on the one hand, went from with net one hand, we went from with net migration around migration levels of around 50,000 200,000 a 50,000 to about 200,000 in a number of under tony blair number of years under tony blair and laboun number of years under tony blair and labour. just suddenly and new labour. we just suddenly flipped model of mass flipped into this model of mass migration. problem, jeeves, flipped into this model of mass m we tion. problem, jeeves, flipped into this model of mass m we now problem, jeeves, flipped into this model of mass mwe now have)roblem, jeeves, flipped into this model of mass mwe now have biglem, jeeves, flipped into this model of mass mwe now have big business,3s, is we now have big business, this let's say an this government and let's say an alliance know, alliance of kind of, you know, liberal elites in the cities who are basically now addicted to importing labour, which importing cheap labour, which undercuts british workers, which only profits high only serves to keep profits high in high to feed in consumption, high to feed a broken political economy. that's what got this country. broken political economy. that's what we got this country. broken political economy. that's what we needt this country. broken political economy. that's what we need is this country. broken political economy. that's what we need is a:his country. broken political economy. that's what we need is a completely what we need is a completely different our different way of running our economy and our housing and our pubuc economy and our housing and our public services. and until somebody actually stands up and says we need to break this site. geist we need to break this status we need a radical status quo. we need a radical alternative . and instead of alternative. and instead of kicking the down, down, down kicking the can down, down, down the say, look, to the grass, say, look, we need to do this we need to train up do this now. we need to train up our own to work in nhs. our own kids to work in the nhs. and know, why are people and you know, why are people leaving to australia and leaving to go to australia and new zealand? because they can't get because public get a house because the public services really work, services here don't really work, because the quality of life is

deteriorating. know deteriorating. we all know it. we we're all out we all see it. we're all out there every day. know this there every day. we know this country what it was ten country is not what it was ten years ago and 20 years ago. we can all see it. and the reason is don't have leaders who are is we don't have leaders who are willing radically shake up willing to radically shake up the quo because they get the status quo because they get scared time have to scared every time they have to confront and every time scared every time they have to confrhave and every time scared every time they have to confrhave to and every time scared every time they have to confrhave to confront every time they have to confront the commentary everybody commentary because everybody screams them that they're screams at them that they're racist they're xenophobic racist or they're xenophobic or whatever seem to whatever else. we just seem to be this ending be locked in this never ending saga, just giving us saga, which is just giving us low growth, high mass low growth, high debt, mass migration division. migration and social division. >> want to come >> anything you want to come back that briefly? look at back on that briefly? look at the time it flies, doesn't it? >> well, it's interesting >> aaron well, it's interesting that matthew's that matthew, i know matthew's a big critic the tories, but big critic of the tories, but not the same country ten, 20 not the same country i ten, 20 years well, the tories have years ago. well, the tories have been governing country for been governing the country for the years. agree in the last 13 years. agree in 2011, cameron, think, 2011, david cameron, i think, and his government the and his government withdrew the nursing instance, an nursing bursary for instance, an appalling nursing bursary for instance, an app'national self destruction and national self destruction and national self destruction and on infrastructure, on training people, on housing, on issue after issue after issue . issue after issue after issue. the status quo isn't functioning . and at the forefront of that failure have been the

conservatives since 2010. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> yeah. and i can tell you now lots of people i mean, susan said cameron , oh, no, no, no. said cameron, oh, no, no, no. that was your suggestion. i don't want whether whether or not cameron should perhaps be the next leader of the tories . the next leader of the tories. there's a lot of support. it won't surprise you for suella braverman perhaps throwing her hats in the ring should that situation. i have lots of you are asking as well about robert jenrick as he resigned then or what? there is no development on that story yet. we'll right that story yet. we'll be right across that in the next across that though. in the next show. worry. you show. don't you worry. so you will first. david is will hear that first. david is saying none you saying why are none of you talking about the detrimental impact to this impact when it comes to this decision scampton? he is decision about scampton? he is quite rightly there quite rightly pointing out there was million that was was £300 million that was earmarked development of earmarked for the development of that that would that scampton base that would have a thousand jobs have led to over a thousand jobs as well. tell you now, as well. and i can tell you now, i know that local community very well have been very, well that would have been very, very . well, the very welcome. well, will the local council challenge that decision? see. but decision? we shall see. but look, really this look, i've really enjoyed this programme. your programme. i've enjoyed your company gents. i've company at home, gents. i've enjoyed your contribution. do

not go anywhere for everybody, because next, you know because coming up next, you know where nigel don't you? so where nigel is, don't you? so that means you've got the one and only richard up next, nanites. >> a brighter outlook boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar of weather on . gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast. it's been a cold, but for many bright day. however big changes take place overnight as increasingly wet and windy weather arrives from the west atlantic . areas of low the west atlantic. areas of low pressure are moving in from the west, bringing weather fronts, bringing strengthening winds, bringing strengthening winds, bringing increasingly wet, but also in places mild conditions. we start off with an early frost in the east, but as the cloud increases overnight, temperatures will actually rise through the night and we'll see that rain spread in as that rain bumps into the colder air. there'll be some hill snow over northern england. parts of scotland as well could affect some routes first thing some higher routes first thing thursday. quite quickly some higher routes first thing thursdajthe quite quickly some higher routes first thing thursdajthe day, ite quickly some higher routes first thing thursdajthe day, having kly

some higher routes first thing thursdajthe day, having seen through the day, having seen some icy patches and some snow over the we'll see the over the hills, we'll see the mild across the uk , mild air sweep in across the uk, turning the rain to rain at all levels and actually it is going to be a soggy day for most of us with that rain heaviest in the west, strengthening winds, risk of gales for western scotland andifs of gales for western scotland and it's not going to feel very pleasant with temperatures of 5 to 7 celsius in the east, although double figures for the west as that milder air takes a hold . friday is west as that milder air takes a hold. friday is a similar day with low pressure close by spiralling bands of rain or showers circulating around it. the wettest weather once again in the west, but those showers spreading to parts through spreading to most parts through the afternoon. gusty winds but feeling milder in places feeling a bit milder in places as well. the weekend brings further spells of rain and showers and also some drier interludes. at times . interludes. at times. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on .

gb news and a very, very good evening at 7:00, it's farage here on gb news. >> with me, richard tice. at a time when the rumours are abuzz in westminster here that the immigration minister robert jenrick, may have resigned or be resigning almost as we speak, full on show , we may pick up full on show, we may pick up that if it's confirmed and suella bravermans blast to the prime minister in the house of commons this afternoon about rwanda . talking of a blast. rwanda. talking of a blast. goodness me , i'm not sure boris goodness me, i'm not sure boris had a blast at the covid inquiry at the hands of the kc. i've got some serious , serious questions some serious, serious questions to ask about that inquiry, about that kc and later on, we have a real treat for you folks. yes. katie price , who's been on i'm katie price, who's been on i'm a celebrity, not once, but twice.

do you like the way i did that?