t0 to him by the mirror newspaper group , listening in to his group, listening in to his voicemails at two, a modest extent, 15 to 20 years ago, i too was a victim of this, but i chose not to seek damages. and i'll explain why this is all about harry's ego rather than his privacy. plus there are currently 5 or 6 times the amount of anti—semitic attacks that we normally see in the uk .

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you this this afternoon? this evening i nearly said morning. i'm normally on in the morning gb views at gb news. com is the email address first though, here is latest news with sam is the very latest news with sam francis . francis. >> beth, thank you very much. good evening i'm sam francis. the headlines at six, as we've been hearing prince harry has said it's a great day for truth and accountability . that's after and accountability. that's after he was awarded more than £140,000 in damages over phone hacking claims against the tabloid newspaper group. the high court has ruled that there was extensive phone hacking by the mirror group newspapers between 2006 and 2011. in response , the publisher says response, the publisher says they apologise unreservedly for any historical wrongdoing. the judge also said journalists were involved in phone hacking at the time. piers morgan worked for the daily mirror, but the former editor claims he was never involved in phone hacking or told anyone else to hack a phone

i >> -- >> as for 5mm >> as for him saying this is a good day for truth, the duke has been repeatedly exposed in recent years as someone who wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him around his california tanned he california tanned face, he demands for the demands accountability for the press, but refuses to accept any for himself for smearing the royal family. his own family, as a bunch of callous racists without producing a shred of proof to support those disgraceful claims . disgraceful claims. >> well, elsewhere . the >> well, elsewhere. the grandmother of a british schoolboy who went missing six years ago has said she can't wait to see him when they're reunited. french officials, who have working with uk police have been working with uk police say alex batty should be able to return to his family in the uk tomorrow. he went missing in 2017 after going on a family houday 2017 after going on a family holiday to spain. detectives believe he was abducted by his mother to an alternative mother to live an alternative lifestyle abroad here in the uk. police say there is no evidence of third party involvement. that's after a body was found in a river during their search for

a river during their search for a missing mother of three. gaynor lord went missing in norwich last friday. cctv footage was released showing her leaving work . norfolk police say leaving work. norfolk police say the body hasn't been formally identified, but her family have been informed. the force says it remains open minded about the circumstance of the 55 year old's disappearance , and they'll old's disappearance, and they'll continue to pursue all lines of inquiry . tributes have been paid inquiry. tributes have been paid to a woman who died in an explosion in south wales, 40 year old danielle evans has been described as a whirlwind of a woman by her family, who said she would be deeply missed. police say there are no other reports of any serious injuries and investigations into the cause of the incident at treforest industrial estate are continuing . this is gb news continuing. this is gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car , digital radio and on your car, digital radio and on your car, digital radio and on your smart speaker. now though, it's back to beth .

it's back to beth. >> very good evening. welcome to dewbs& co with me. bev turner in for michelle dewberry this evening. my last show of the yeah evening. my last show of the year. so joining me until 7:00, my panel pr consultant alex dean and a former labour adviser, matt lazor. i want to hear from you this evening. vaiews@gbnews.com or on twitter. ex at gb news. so our first story this evening, prince harry has today won damages of £140,000 against mirror group newspapers . a high court judge newspapers. a high court judge said he was a victim of unlawful information gathering. the daily mirror newspaper apologise and unreservedly . now, gentlemen, i unreservedly. now, gentlemen, i have a dog in this fight. alex, you're also very interested in it because obviously you work in pr and still work in pr, you have an understanding of this, um, i was hacked around this time as well. now, when we say hacking, what we mean there hacking, what we mean is there was lazy journalist about 5:00 was a lazy journalist about 5:00 on a friday. would sit in his office and he'd your office and he'd ring your voicemails like this and he'd try and you just get through. now, i knew at the time that

they were doing this because a journalist tipped me off and said , look, you're on the telly said, look, you're on the telly a the moment. husband a bit at the moment. my husband was the atlantic at the was rowing the atlantic at the time, and why they were time, and that was why they were seeing was having an affair seeing if i was having an affair with anybody. my wife was so bonng with anybody. my wife was so boring and i was approached by the to say, you are on the police to say, you are on this list and do you want to claim damages? and i said, no, why would i? and they said, because you be traumatised. why would i? and they said, becél se you be traumatised. why would i? and they said, becél said>u be traumatised. why would i? and they said, becél said ,| be traumatised. why would i? and they said, becél said , but be traumatised. why would i? and they said, becél said , but if be traumatised. why would i? and they said, becél said , but if they'aumatised. why would i? and they said, becél said , but if they listen:ised. and i said, but if they listen to my voicemail messages , it's to my voicemail messages, it's literally my mum saying, i'm in sainsbury's. more sainsbury's. do you want more nappies? couldn't fake the nappies? i couldn't fake the trauma get a hundred trauma to get a few hundred thousand pounds off a newspaper group was in group for something that was in my alex, not not that my mind, alex, not not that serious. you didn't think you didn't feel like it was intrusive ? no, because i'd been intrusive? no, because i'd been told a lot of people felt very differently. yeah, but i would dispute the fact that harry didn't even know this was happening. i wasn't in the royal family. just a tv family. i was just a tv presenter. and i had tabloid presenter. and i had a tabloid journalist say, change code journalist say, change your code on and can't on your phone and they can't listen your voicemail listen to your voicemail messages. he

messages. the idea that he didn't know this was happening and he couldn't have protected himself easily. and he couldn't have protected hinielf easily. and he couldn't have protected him think easily. and he couldn't have protected him think heeasily. and he couldn't have protected him think he probably would >> i think he probably would have realised have read prospectively realised when and you think when you look back and you think this broke and oh yeah, this story broke and oh yeah, somebody did talk to me about that at the time. then there was that at the time. then there was that story, but it's only in hindsight that you realise those things. course, there things. and of course, there were payouts. sienna were the major payouts. sienna miller, remember, got yeah, miller, you remember, got yeah, right of this right at the beginning of this stuff. most alarming stuff. but the most alarming thing from this story for me is that the hacking went on even to an extent during the course of the inquiry into phone the leveson inquiry into phone hacking. that's most hacking. that's the most extraordinary thing people felt so and abuse so entitled to go in and abuse other privacy and other other people's privacy and other people's systems people's telephone systems that they to it even they continue to do it even while was a judicial while there was a judicial investigation. i don't think it's light all. it's like light at all. >> actually. >> actually. >> to >> actually. » to >> actually. >> to i'm with i'm >> i have to say, i'm with i'm with morgan on this one. with piers morgan on this one. piers morgan's been saying what harry about the harry doesn't know about the truth . i like idea that truth. i like the idea that harry is fighting for privacy all the time, but that two wrongs don't make a right. >> yeah, prince harry can be a clot and it can also be completely wrong hack completely wrong to hack his voicemail, the idea and lie

about it . about it. >> the fact, the idea, matthew, that he's fighting about his privacy. >> this is a man who has a camera that follows him camera crew that follows him around and and around day and night and broadcasts it on. >> i think there is i >> i think there is there is i think there is some irony that prince, prince harry is taking the and he's the who's the case and he's the one who's also, frankly, questions to ask for at the time, for his security at the time, because obviously he's now fighting not he fighting about whether or not he gets level of gets particular level of security. that time, he had security. at that time, he had the level security. the highest level of security. and, know, um, it shouldn't and, you know, um, it shouldn't just physical security. just be physical security. people be people should obviously be looking at his electronic security well . i mean, i security as well. i mean, i wasn't happy, but i had lots of friends who were, you know, there were several friends who've got the letter from mostly from news international publishers, sun with, with publishers, the sun with, with the apology letter the with the apology letter framed bathrooms. framed in a few bathrooms. and did and they got did they get money and they got money. mean, these were money. yeah. i mean, these were they sort of ten, 20,000. they got sort of ten, 20,000. >> i'm an idiot, aren't i? i've got are got friends who are all conservative. >> i was going to say, and it's known, isn't it? as in sort of media and politics, known media and politics, it's known as of conservatory as the kind of conservatory payout, a lot of people payout, because a lot of people got conservatory a new got a conservatory or a new

bathroom of it. that doesn't bathroom out of it. that doesn't take fact that take away from the fact that some did find it very some people did find it very difficult. and obviously, if people were less, uh, you people were less, less, uh, you know, as you would put know, boring, as you would put it. we might it. but uh, wholesome, we might say. obviously lives it. but uh, wholesome, we might say. intruded ously lives it. but uh, wholesome, we might say. intruded intov lives it. but uh, wholesome, we might say. intruded into and lives it. but uh, wholesome, we might say. intruded into and it lives it. but uh, wholesome, we might say. intruded into and it was; were intruded into and it was wrong that were doing it. wrong that they were doing it. and alex doing it so and as alex says, doing it so late, what really shocked late, that's what really shocked me doing it. while the me is doing it. while the leveson inquiry was still going on. >> i think we have to be really clear about what this is. this isn't at the end of your isn't a van at the end of your road device, road with a listening device, like something scooby doo like something out of scooby doo going listening to your going in and listening to your life, modern equivalent life, it's modern equivalent of that, though, isn't it? >> i don't think it is. >> no. i don't think it is. >> no. i don't think it is. >> basic. >> it's very basic. >> it's very basic. >> could all do to each >> we could all do it to each other's phones now. >> most time that reason >> most of the time that reason it was people hadn't it worked was that people hadn't reset their phones from the factory setting. >> one, two, three, four. >> one, two, three, four. >> so was >> that's right. so there was a code you would put in, i think the where it does get the area where it does get difficult was milly difficult was the milly dowler situation was situation awful because that was difficult was difficult because this was a girl gone missing and girl who'd gone missing and in order involved order to get involved effectively, journalists hacked into and into milly dowler's phone and that confused investigation. >> they thought somebody it >> and they thought somebody it was own was her accessing her own voicemail reason voicemail messages. the reason that lesson i think, been

that lesson i think, has been learned, though, that's the reason to prince reason i don't object to prince harry the person who harry being the person who bnngs harry being the person who brings these cases, because cases who cases are brought by people who have the wherewithal and the will case to court. will to bring the case to court. >> but behaviour they're >> but the behaviour they're seeking out doesn't just seeking to call out doesn't just apply them. it applies apply to them. it applies to a plethora of people, and it will apply many people who don't, plethora of people, and it will applare many people who don't, plethora of people, and it will applare bereaved,�*ple who don't, plethora of people, and it will applare bereaved,�*ple \have on't, who are bereaved, who have no money, the money, who don't have the ability to instruct expensive lawyers and take a case like this. sometimes someone this. so sometimes someone like prince mean, he's prince harry and i mean, he's gone and months gone through months and months of the highest of criticism at the highest level in our media for doing so bnngs level in our media for doing so brings you brings a case like this. and you know he loads of know what? he won. loads of people were saying was going know what? he won. loads of pelose.nere saying was going know what? he won. loads of pe lose. and saying was going know what? he won. loads of pe lose. and it'sing was going know what? he won. loads of pe lose. and it's a; was going know what? he won. loads of pe lose. and it's a bit was going know what? he won. loads of pe lose. and it's a bit of'as going know what? he won. loads of pe lose. and it's a bit of a; going to lose. and it's a bit of a humble pie time. i think i think it's i think the thing for me as well, though, is the fact that it's time ago now. it's such a long time ago now. >> i mean, this what i think >> i mean, this is what i think we be assured it's not we can be assured it's not happening nobody happening because nobody uses voicemail it? happening because nobody uses voi this at least that. >> that's right. and it's and it's not systemic it's for me, it's not systemic surveillance. i'm much more worried camera every worried about a camera on every street looking at faces at street looking at our faces at the we're effectively the moment. so we're effectively living in an open prison. that kind surveillance bothers kind of surveillance bothers me enormously. this is one guy. when the piece of paper when i saw the piece of paper with the notes on they sat

with the notes on when they sat me the police station in me down in the police station in putney, very putney, and it was all very serious. and i okay? and did serious. and was i okay? and did i a glass water? and i need a glass of water? and there daisies, doodles there was like, daisies, doodles in and they went in the corner and they went through. whose is that? through. whose number is that? it's number is it's my mother. whose number is that? you that? it's british gas, you know. and it was like, are you okay? i'm fine. >> but some, some had >> but some, some people had more experiences. more traumatic experiences. i mean, agree, think mean, look, i agree, i think what we what traumatic can what we what how traumatic can it what if they're having an it be? what if they're having an affair something? it be? what if they're having an affel' something? it be? what if they're having an affel mean,nething? it be? what if they're having an affel mean, hang|g? it be? what if they're having an affel mean, hang on, it's quite >> i mean, hang on, it's quite easy construct a way. it's easy to construct a way. it's more traumatic. it was your mum and person, but in your and the gas person, but in your example, then husband example, your then husband rolling atlantic. rolling across the atlantic. yeah. you've got a yeah. let's say you've got a voicemail saying something terrible voicemail saying something terrib missing, you know. of gone missing, you know. of course. thank goodness. in the end. out. yeah but, you end. turns out. yeah but, you know, story end. turns out. yeah but, you know, they story end. turns out. yeah but, you know, they got story end. turns out. yeah but, you know, they got sofy because they got hold of the story your husband's story of your husband's disappearance your disappearance from your voicemail. who voicemail. because somebody who works the tracking works in the in the tracking team after they works in the in the tracking team get after they works in the in the tracking team get hold after they works in the in the tracking team get hold ofzr they works in the in the tracking team get hold of you. they works in the in the tracking team get hold of you. they're can't get hold of you. they're desperate please desperate to find you. please call can't find call me back. we can't find james now. there's story, and james now. there's a story, and it's so even it's highly intrusive. so even in i can construct in your example, i can construct quite you know, quite easily. you know, your mum's sick. please us mum's very sick. please call us as can. it's very as soon as you can. it's very persuasive, alex, i have to say that is. persuasive, alex, i have to say tha that is very persuasive.

>> that is very persuasive. i just wonder whether anything. because judge justice because the judge said justice fancourt about the fancourt said today about the fact prince harry, fact that prince harry, the stories were trivial . stories were largely trivial. well, that's that's kind of the point in his case. >> yeah, but they still shouldn't have been doing it. and i think the good thing at least, is it's the last hurrah of that sort of tabloid journalism. i mean, a mixture of things like the voicemail doesn't, know, nobody uses doesn't, you know, nobody uses their voicemail um their voicemail anymore. um but add which massive decline add to which the massive decline of not least of the tabloids, um, not least because of all the phone hacking payouts had payouts that they've had to endure, hopefully endure, means that hopefully this is the end this, that endure, means that hopefully thisof the end this, that endure, means that hopefully thisof tabloidi this, that endure, means that hopefully thisof tabloid journalism. that era of tabloid journalism. >> like most hate it >> like most people, i hate it when leaves me when someone leaves me a voicemail. real pain. voicemail. it's a real pain. >> yeah, i have a voice note that leave me voicemail. >> but the point is, when the person hacks phone, they person hacks your phone, they don't that what they're don't know that what they're going to get is trivial. it could really profound, could be really profound, i guess. and is is a >> so, and that is that is a very convincing think very convincing idea. i think thatis very convincing idea. i think that is a very convincing argument, alex, that that there that is a very convincing argum have alex, that that there that is a very convincing argum have run. that that there that is a very convincing argum have run something,here that is a very convincing argum have run something, but might have run something, but surely if my surely in that situation, if my husband missing at sea, husband had gone missing at sea, wouldn't called wouldn't they have then called me do know your me and said, do you know your husband's missing at sea? me and said, do you know your

husthey�*s missing at sea? me and said, do you know your husthey might missing at sea? me and said, do you know your husthey might do.ssing at sea? me and said, do you know your husthey might do. when? sea? is >> they might do. when? what is your might do it your quote? but they might do it just and therefore beat just before and therefore beat their a day . or let's their rivals by a day. or let's try um, the try another example. um, the hospital says hospital calls you and says michael's brother sister, cousin is sick. we can't hold of is sick. we can't get hold of him he's he's him because he's on. he's he's on ocean . how do we get in on the ocean. how do we get in touch with your right. touch with your husband? right. and so that's the story they get. they get our hero rowing the ocean. jamie cracknell is going to have this terrible trauma . and when comes back, trauma. and when he comes back, but going to know for but he's not going to know for a week because he's out of touch. yeah. and they it your yeah. and they get it from your phone. yeah. yeah yeah. and they get it from your ptht's yeah. yeah yeah. and they get it from your phc it's yeah convincing. yeah. and they get it from your ptht's yeahconvincing. have >> it's very convincing. i have to it's just that to say. i think it's just that with the passage of time and looking harry, feels from looking at harry, it feels from his view let's his point of view let's criticise me for criticise him instead of me for being the of time. >> we always like to have a bit of a go at prince harry. he's always good for harry is, um. always good for a harry is, um. >> like the motivation >> you feel like the motivation for is what it is. spite for him is what it is. spite >> he would like to see >> i mean, he would like to see the tabloid closed down. the tabloid press closed down. um, , you know, um, and actually, you know, there an issue . the mirror is there is an issue. the mirror is part of a company called reach. they just to sack a whole part of a company called reach. they of st to sack a whole part of a company called reach. they of journalistsack a whole part of a company called reach. they of journalists because )le load of journalists because their revenues to their revenues continue to decline. owned papers

decline. they owned other papers like the express, the star, and lots so lots of regional papers. so i think a big there's think there's a big there's a fine line to be drawn between kind of driving the tabloids fine line to be drawn between kindthe driving the tabloids fine line to be drawn between kindthe driving 1and,ibloids fine line to be drawn between kindthe driving tand, and,is fine line to be drawn between kindthe driving tand, and, and into the ground and, and, and seeking redress for what was quite clear wrongdoing, which should punished. quite clear wrongdoing, which should |anotheri. quite clear wrongdoing, which should |another point to this >> there's another point to this story, though, given you are talking about harry, talking about prince harry, which a time before which is this is a time before he had children, before he was married, quite married, when he was quite famously sowing his wild oats. but, even he was but, you know, even he was entitled private life in entitled to a private life in that and who that sense. and the people who would touch with him would be in touch with him certainly can certainly were. and i can imagine might been certainly were. and i can imagirwomen�*night been certainly were. and i can imagirwomen telephoningeen certainly were. and i can imagirwomen telephoning harry certainly were. and i can imagtimenen telephoning harry certainly were. and i can imagtime t01 telephoning harry certainly were. and i can imagtime to time,:)honing harry certainly were. and i can imagtime to time, whoing harry certainly were. and i can imagtime to time, who hadiarry certainly were. and i can imagtime to time, who had not! from time to time, who had not signed up to have their names all the but all over the papers, but the papers have to have papers would have loved to have got of it via voicemail. got hold of it via a voicemail. so could be really so and that could be really quite to a girl at quite damaging to a girl at university age thing. university age sort of thing. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> was then. >> yeah. as he was then. >> yeah. as he was then. >> i it quite it was >> i mean, it was quite it was quite traumatic for those who were named who was sort of girlfriends at time, girlfriends at the time, who were longer, not through phone hacking, through going hacking, but just through going out if you were out with him. but if you were just peeping on date out with him. but if you were jusmet peeping on date out with him. but if you were jusmet him peeping on date out with him. but if you were jusmet him once ng on date out with him. but if you were jusmet him once or on date out with him. but if you were jusmet him once or something e out with him. but if you were jusmet him once or something and or met him once or something and suddenly whole life changes suddenly your whole life changes and voicemail and all via voicemail potentially. think potentially. so yeah, i think victims, vulnerable. >> i and on your point >> i agree, and on your point about long it's taken,

about how long it's taken, it would taken great deal would have taken a great deal less the people less time if the people responsible had fessed up immediately, been much easier to deal they deal with phone hacking if they said, here's what said, you know what, here's what we yeah. and that's actually >> yeah. and that's actually something that's going to emerge now said, with now is because, as we said, with sort my friends just found sort of my friends just found their name on a sometimes their name on a list sometimes they didn't sometimes it they didn't didn't sometimes it wasn't if they wasn't absolutely clear if they had phone had or had not had their phone hacked, potentially had or had not had their phone hack�*so potentially had or had not had their phone hack�*so case,entially had or had not had their phone hack�*so case, theilly had. so in that case, the newspapers rolled over and just sent them a check and they agreed you agreed out of court. so you actually have to do actually you didn't have to do anything. >> did you think did they not know the time, though, know at the time, though, your famous know, famous friends, can you know, because they were. famous friends, can you know, because who they were. famous friends, can you know, because who are they were. famous friends, can you know, because who are your they were. famous friends, can you know, because who are your famous re. friends? >> oh, i'm not going to. it's not i mean, you know, not fair. i mean, you know, you know, one them was a was know, one of them was a was a press officer at the labour party. um, but you know. really? yeah, that yeah, absolutely. there's that kind quite dull. kind of level of quite dull. yeah. mean, quite you yeah. i mean, quite you know, they they wanted, you they wanted, they wanted, you know, at the time. know, on tony blair at the time. this at end of the or this is at the end of the or gordon whatever. so therefore gordon or whatever. so therefore they thought they could get it away that. so it away via things like that. so it was kind of people it operatives in politics we've targeted in politics we've been targeted not exciting, not because they were exciting, but were but because the people they were trying after,

trying to look after, um, and work were it's very work for were so it's very strange as you say, alex, that it's taken so long these it's taken so long in these instances. lots of instances. there are lots of questions mirror. questions for the mirror. >> who did the >> look, the people who did the hacking who they hacked, hacking know who they hacked, right? that would have taken a been much quicker if they said, do here's did. >> but but but the back of those notebooks with the doodles, there's a list. >> but you get paid. >> but you see, you get paid. you paid for the damages you get paid for the damages for your yes. your emotional distress. yes. and a real and i think i have a real problem with people taking legal cases some out cases to just get some money out of it. were your friends genuinely emotional? >> mean, >> i didn't really i mean, i think i think that i think also at time think people were at the time i think people were so angry about that was so angry about it that it was just thought it was just they they thought it was intrusive know, intrusive and frankly, you know, it's like slipped it's a bit like sort of slipped on a chip, isn't it? you know, and people in just and people in with just presented list said, presented with a list and said, you to be a you know, it's not going to be a massive your life massive problem with your life because fessed up. i think because they fessed up. i think that weren't that was the issue. they weren't going to court and going to have to go to court and frankly, know, in their in frankly, you know, in their in the of the, you the case of one of the, you know, see, see the letter know, i can see, see the letter frame afford frame now, mr murdoch can afford could the 3000 could have afforded the 3000 that new bathroom that paid for the new bathroom or conservatory. so or the new conservatory. so yeah, i think it's, you know, or the new conservatory. so yeah not1ink it's, you know, or the new conservatory. so yeah not remember)u know, or the new conservatory. so yeah not remember it know, or the new conservatory. so yeah not remember it was n, or the new conservatory. so yeah not remember it was wrong. let's not remember it was wrong.

it in cases it may not in all cases of caused but all caused huge damage, but in all cases moral and legally cases it was moral and legally wrong. cases it was moral and legally wrowell, what been >> well, look what you've been saying said, saying at home, john has said, god, is so boring. god, this guy is so boring. i think means harry, not think he means prince harry, not you. needs to get our you. okay? he needs to get our coats. needs to proper coats. he needs to get a proper job. for wanting job. so much for wanting a private lazy prat, private life entitled lazy prat, dave £140,000 dave says £140,000 is not enough. after all the press assassination. he and his wife get. he does kind of ask for it. dave >>i dave >> i mean, no, he asked for attention . he doesn't ask for attention. he doesn't ask for his voicemail to be hacked. yeah, well, true. >> but today he asked for nothing attention nothing but attention on his terms to me. terms is what it seems to me. i've tried . i've tried so hard i've tried. i've tried so hard to be on their side. harry and meghan. but i find it increasingly difficult . richard increasingly difficult. richard says nobody cares about harry or celebrities getting hacked. big up beverly. for not up to you, beverly. for not taking payday over taking an easy payday over principles respects. principles. total respects. thank someday i do thank you richard. someday i do regret it when i see my friends lovely and emma lovely conservatories and emma said phone hacking is terrible . said phone hacking is terrible. i didn't want harry to win because i don't like him, but it's that he did win. it's good that he did win. really. people are seeing the principle of yes, absolutely. >> if harry's not, you >> even if harry's not, you

know, you're not harry's number one can absolutely see one fan. you can absolutely see the saw, the principle. as we saw, newspapers though the principle. as we saw, nev1 newspaper though the principle. as we saw, nev1 newspaper industry though the newspaper industry post—leveson, i think has changed enormously. >> say and i and >> well, so you say and i and i certainly hope that's right. the fact that they were still some people were still conducting hacking during the leveson inquiry was inquiry implies there was a cultural here cultural problem here that didn't one off, didn't just wasn't a one off, was it? >> w- e think? is worse >> would you think? is worse being by being doorstepped by a journalist your door journalist knocking on your door or listening your or them having listening to your voice think voice messages? i think the voice messages? i think the voice because voice messages, because you still ability close still have the ability to close the and i'm to the door and say, i'm not to talking you, you. talking you, you, you. >> absolutely . the >> yeah, absolutely. the doorstep, it gets out of all of that either. yeah. mean, that either. yeah. i mean, doorstepping is not great, but i mean you say, mean it, at least as you say, you always close the door you can always close the door and can, you know, if it's and you can, you know, if it's if it's really intrusive, they can you'll can call the police and you'll have a policeman outside. i mean, you're, you mean, especially if you're, you know, a member of the public mean, especially if you're, you know, sortember of the public mean, especially if you're, you know, sort of ber of the public mean, especially if you're, you know, sort of vulnerable 3ublic who's sort of vulnerable because of something, then of a crime or something, then the police will look after you, which which obviously they weren't. about weren't. and you know about it. the is, know, that the key thing is, you know, that somebody knocking on your door or ringing your parents try or ringing your parents to try and get a dish, the dirt, you don't using don't know if they're using surveillance techniques like phone your viewer >> so i think your your viewer is if you part

is spot on because if you part of about law is of the point about the law is that if you only believe in people because you like people winning because you like them, then you're missing the bafic them, then you're missing the basic court sitting basic point of a court sitting and fact, the and hearing things. in fact, the principle could be more powerful and more profound if you're willing to say, like willing to say, i don't like that still . think that person, but i still. think this court decided the right way. >> june has hit the nail on the head at home, she says. if harry didn't worry about his family when wrote and when he publicly wrote and spoke about confidential conversations and personal and and personal details, and he didn't get their permission to do so. so he's a hypocrite. >> so two wrongs. >> so two wrongs. >> oh, that's good though, isn't it? two don't make >> two wrongs don't make a right. the start. right right. right at the start. right and not harry either, right. right at the start. right andi'm not harry either, right. right at the start. right andi'm not hearry either, right. right at the start. right andi'm not hearry today.|er, right. right at the start. right andi'm not hearry today. yeah okay. >> right. thanks, guys. good start. coming up. hanukkah decorations have decorations and menorahs have been damaged and vandalised in london. do more to london. do we need to do more to tackle anti—semitism ? um, why is tackle anti—semitism? um, why is it on the rise and how do we reduce it? don't go anywhere .

morgan was a former editor of the daily mirror.

>> good evening. it's 622. it's dewbs& co with me bev turner tonight, keeping me company until 7:00. pr consultant alex dean and former labour adviser matt lazor. right, so hanukkah celebrations across north london have been targeted in a spate of vandalism against festival lights and verbal attacks against jews . anti—semitic against jews. anti—semitic attacks have skyrocketed in the uk since the october 7 attack. so do we need to do more , or do so do we need to do more, or do you think, to educate ourselves and others on the evil of anti—semitism? matthew. because anti —semitism? matthew. because it anti—semitism? matthew. because it wasn't something that i was ever aware of growing up . i grew ever aware of growing up. i grew up in a very jewish area of manchester, and i didn't i we of course, we know about hitler. we knew about the war that was of a different era, a different time. people didn't think like that anymore. >> people thought it was over, didn't they? i mean, so, yeah, i mean, pretty every school mean, pretty much every school kid holocaust, mean, pretty much every school kid rightly holocaust, mean, pretty much every school kid rightly at holocaust, mean, pretty much every school kid rightly at school. caust, mean, pretty much every school kid rightly at school. andt, mean, pretty much every school kid rightly at school. and i quite rightly at school. and i hope is every every school hope that is every every school kid. i think government must kid. i think the government must be congratulated it's

be congratulated because it's announced you know, announced. i don't, you know, often the often congratulate the government, but it's announced extra autumn extra money in the autumn statement holocaust statement for the holocaust memorial and the community memorial trust and the community safety are sort of safety trust, which are sort of provide a security forjewish provide a security for jewish events and jewish celebrate . but events and jewish celebrate. but these, i think what we need to do actually, is make sure that as a society, we're having a conversation about anti—semitism, just anti—semitism, which isn't just about it's anti—semitism, which isn't just about today it's anti—semitism, which isn't just about today . it's anti—semitism, which isn't just about today . because, it's anti—semitism, which isn't just about today . because, as t's anti—semitism, which isn't just about today . because, as we've about today. because, as we've seen with shocking , um, seen with these shocking, um, you images . seen with these shocking, um, you images. from north you know, images. from north london. but i think lots of people are reporting, you know, uh, they're sort of they put up a missing poster from one of the missing people missing posters from the people that are still hostages. the hostages still held by hamas, and down, you and they get ripped down, you know, not actually, know, even if it's not actually, um, jewish target. um, against a jewish target. we've got you the we've got three, you know, the river to it just river to the sea. it just becoming. i was on the phone to a friend earlier. he walking a friend earlier. he was walking through was through hackney and said it was just sort of taken back. every third house has got a sort of £2 million houses have got big signs outside them saying ceasefire now. are ceasefire now. so people are just uneasy. just feeling very uneasy. and i think people is think what worries people is what we saw. comedian writer what we saw. comedian and writer david all david baddiel say before all this with his book sort this happened with his book sort

of which of jews don't count, which is sometimes double sometimes used to have double standards sort expect standards that we sort of expect there to be attacks on jews. and yes, attacks the yes, we condemn attacks on the community society , but we community as a society, but we sort build expectation sort of build in an expectation that happen a that it's going to happen in a way if somebody way that we wouldn't if somebody was christian or was attacking christian or muslim hindu targets in quite muslim or hindu targets in quite the way. and that's what the same way. and that's what worries me, that we seem to think, horrible, it think, oh, it's horrible, and it shouldn't happen, but we expect it shouldn't it to happen. it shouldn't happen, work to happen, and we need to work to ensure happen. happen, and we need to work to ensire happen. happen, and we need to work to ensi remember happen. happen, and we need to work to ensi remember interviewing a >> i remember interviewing a fairly sort of high profile member of the jewish community on britain's newsroom one morning, and he was talking, this is months ago. this is months before 7th october months before 7th of october election. he was talking election. and he was talking about the rise in anti—semitism being this country. being a problem in this country. and and and then we went off air. and i said is this said to him, is this predominantly an islamist issue? are you talking about attacks that are predominantly from muslims arms? and he went, yes, but we can't say that. yeah we've we've imported a problem. >> there's definitely a part of that. >> can we say it now ? can we say >> can we say it now? can we say it now? >> and are saying it that we >> and i are saying it that we have imported a problem where people from people come to this country from somewhere of, somewhere else and instead of,

um accepting values of um, accepting british values of tolerance and belief that all religions are valid and none shall to your persecution shall lead to your persecution or abuse , believe that they're or abuse, believe that they're going to bring the values that they had, where they were, and bnng they had, where they were, and bring that we accept bring and insist that we accept them. well, i'm afraid we don't. but it's not just islamism. let's let's be clear. the metropolitan police shown this destruction of people's religious iconography, said, we're keeping an open mind as we're keeping an open mind as to why this was done. i mean, we are if honestly, if this had been a mosque that had been smashed up or something outside a mosque, immediate people have been , uh, been talking about, uh, islamophobia. would be the islamophobia. it would be the front page of every newspaper. everyone be condemning front page of every newspaper. evermatthew be condemning front page of every newspaper. evermatthew is be condemning front page of every newspaper. evermatthew is right. ndemning front page of every newspaper. evermatthew is right. people ng but matthew is right. people expect the jews to take it. and jews count. only. the jews don't count. the only. the only i disagree only thing you and i disagree on. if it was church, on. i think if it was a church, no one would pay much attention to it. if it a christian no one would pay much attention to it. if ipeople christian no one would pay much attention to it. if ipeople would an saying, no one would pay much attention to well, people would an saying, no one would pay much attention to well, thisile would an saying, no one would pay much attention to well, this is would an saying, no one would pay much attention to well, this is wperson| saying, no one would pay much attention to well, this is wperson with ng, oh well, this is a person with no mental health issues . it no mental health issues. it can't possibly be anti—christian. it's nothing to do and do with that. and jews and christians are just expected to take afraid that

take this. and i'm afraid that especially with what's happening in the moment , they in the world at the moment, they shouldn't. jews in this country are down the are afraid to walk down the street certainly to street and certainly afraid to walk street. if they're walk down the street. if they're showing their showing any a symbol of their their faith. think that's terrible. >> and, you know and >> and, you know what? and they'll people they'll they'll be muslim people watching this tonight are watching this tonight who are like, minute, bev. like, hang on a minute, bev. we're not all like that. and i think really important think it's really important to point problem point out that it's a problem within community. obvious. within a community. so obvious. but say that it's but i want to say that it's eafien but i want to say that it's easier, because israel but i want to say that it's easier,only because israel but i want to say that it's easier,only jewish :ause israel but i want to say that it's easier,only jewish state israel but i want to say that it's easier,only jewish state andel is the only jewish state and what israel does is sometimes controversial . controversial. >> we may all have questions about how far they're going in gaza. not saying gaza. you're not saying that nobody condemnation nobody equating a condemnation of anti—semitic of, um, anti—semitic attacks with a blanket support for israel is just nonsense. it seems to me we hold every seems to me we don't hold every muslim britain muslim person in britain accountable for the accountable for what the government the government of iran do, or the government of iran do, or the government muslim government of any other muslim country any country do. why should any muslim, why should jewish muslim, why should any jewish person britain held person in britain be held accountable actions accountable for the actions of the government? the israeli government? >> absolutely nor do the israeli government? >> hold lutely nor do the israeli government? >> hold allely nor do the israeli government? >> hold all muslims nor do the israeli government? >> hold all muslims thisr do we hold all muslims in this country responsible for the actions few. actions of a bigoted few. totally. but that it is the. and of course, there are who of course, there are people who can back in can claim generations back in this country who are

anti—semitic and on the much celebrated in this country far right. but it seems to me that this is in significant degree a problem within islam. yeah it does seem to be. >> and i that is why we see on our streets every weekend we've got the pro—palestinian marches , got the pro—palestinian marches, um, and we've got the pro—israeli marches. and it does feel like march singular. i think they have march they had. yeah, there was certainly the pro—palestinian marches have been angrier with biden been louder, angrier with biden himself. president biden came out and said that israel are running the risk at the moment of losing the support of various nafions of losing the support of various nations because of the bombing of gaza , that he's he even said of gaza, that he's he even said he's now looking disproportionate. >> and i just from my from my political family for people on the left, you know, i may a the left, you know, i may be a moderate on left, but moderate on the left, but people, across across people, you know, across across the what me on the spectrum, what worries me on social on social media, people on instagram, sort of who instagram, you know, sort of who don't they're don't realise that what they're saying and saying about palestine and the issue, i believe two state issue, i believe in a two state solution. believe in, you solution. i believe in, you know, israel has the right to defend itself, but needs some restraint. defend itself, but needs some restroflt.

defend itself, but needs some restrof they're not sort of they're not understanding that when you say certain you may certain things which you may think are good cause, that think are in a good cause, that you , you're not thinking you may, you're not thinking about other people well. and about other people as well. and we people to have the we need people need to have the conversation know, conversation that, you know, it's not about. it's not a football not tribes. football match. it's not tribes. it's situation. it's a complicated situation. and need to think the and they need to think about the jewish community. >> but when see >> i agree, but when i see governments in the middle east, um , hurling homosexuals off um, hurling homosexuals off buildings or hanging them or jailing dissidents, i don't feel an inclination to go down and smash up my local mosque. right. because i don't make the connection for one moment between the acts of that government in the middle east and the people who live in my country, and the people who live in my courhappen to share a faith with and happen to share a faith with the um, have who the people, um, who have who have done those terrible things. and to me, appalling. but and that's to me, appalling. but i want to say one other thing, which is very interesting. this is statistically a trend that's not about muslims in this country. it's british country. it's about british people as a whole. but generation ten years generation ago, even ten years ago, polling that people ago, polling showed that people were to were far more sympathetic to israel than they are today. and now there's a very negative perspective on on israel amongst younger people . now, that's not

younger people. now, that's not just do with, um, what's just to do with, um, what's happening at the moment. it's a long standing trend and it does in part relate to a lack of education because people don't understand for the understand the reason for the existence the state. absolutely. >> and becomes trendy >> yeah. and it becomes trendy to be anti—israel and pro—palestine . pro—palestine. >> sharon has got in touch and she said, i'm year old she said, i'm a 61 year old engush she said, i'm a 61 year old english jew . even as a five year english jew. even as a five year old, back in the 60s, mother old, back in the 60s, my mother told me to be very careful about who that i jewish, as who i told that i was jewish, as there out there who there were people out there who hated things not hated us. things have not changed that's changed in the uk at all. that's got little extreme, got to be a little extreme, hasn't have changed, hasn't it? they have changed, surely. there was a until how. >> now. >> yeah, but i mean i mean, we haven't mentioned the anti—semitism in my own party underjeremy anti—semitism in my own party under jeremy corbyn, which was the days in the labour the darkest days in the labour party's history. kind to you, matthew. were there, but matthew. you were there, but you know, n0, matthew. you were there, but you know, no, no, know, you brought it up. no, no, no, to bring it up no, i'm happy to bring it up because things have changed. and it's things that it's one of the good things that keir anybody what keir starmer anybody thinks what else of else he's done, he has a lot of people out and people have been kicked out and a of action has been taken. a lot of action has been taken. and, you know, went the and, you know, i went to the jewish labour movement conference jewish labour movement confere were, you know, just people were, you know, just absolutely lots absolutely delighted, lots of

people labour people coming back to the labour party. remind you party. but it does remind you how, you know, if you let i mean, it's that phrase, mean, it's that famous phrase, isn't get in isn't it, if you let evil get in any way a foothold. um, if good people nothing. people stand by and do nothing. and you and that's why, i mean, you know, on saturday and know, i was here on saturday and gb on a show and some gb news on a show and some jewish staff members in, jewish staff members were in, and little and we just had a little lighting menorah moment. and we just had a little ligihad menorah moment. and we just had a little ligihad doughnuts.ah moment. and we just had a little ligihad doughnuts. one moment. and we just had a little ligihad doughnuts. one m> it's part of their reflection

of the fact they're part this of the fact they're part of this community. to the community. and to state the obvious, doesn't in some obvious, doesn't happen in some other groups, nor does the attitude that that reflects happenin attitude that that reflects happen in other groups. i also make point britain's make the point that britain's jewish vanishingly jewish population is vanishingly small doesn't have small, right? it doesn't have the electoral weight, uh, of that reflected in other groups, which is far more significant and influenced to and has influenced to a significant degree positions significant degree the positions taken in taken by politicians in westminster over israel palestine they're palestine because they're feeling electoral. feeling the electoral. absolutely. they're they're physically feeling as people are . standing, rampaging outside their offices, hounding them. so my point is, we've got we're in some trouble here. yeah, we've we've got situation where we we've got a situation where we allow to regard allow our country to regard a vanishingly minority vanishingly small minority that's got nothing to do with what doing. they're what israel is doing. they're not israel does not deciding what israel does because to be seen because of palestine, to be seen as proxies people's as the proxies for people's angen as the proxies for people's anger. and it's the anger. totally. and it's the naivety, anger. totally. and it's the naivetythe of people. >> it's the naivety of people. it's the young people, particularly sort liberal particularly sort of liberal young think they're young people who think they're being pro palestine. mean, the being pro palestine. i mean, the irony queers for irony is, is the queers for palestine, section every palestine, um, section of every march single one of march when every single one of those people, what they, you know , their would be

know, their love would not be legal the west bank or legal in either the west bank or the but nobody the gaza strip, but nobody thinks it's thinks through it. it's just because trendy. thinks through it. it's just becausa trendy. thinks through it. it's just becausa queer trendy. thinks through it. it's just becausa queer for trendy. thinks through it. it's just becausa queer for palestine. thinks through it. it's just becifisa queer for palestine. thinks through it. it's just bec if you ueer for palestine. thinks through it. it's just bec if you were for palestine. thinks through it. it's just bec if you were there,estine. thinks through it. it's just bec if you were there, they'd >> if you were there, they'd kill tomorrow. kill you tomorrow. >> exactly. hashtag be >> yeah, exactly. hashtag be kind. the kind. right, folks? so as the ceo admits ceo of weightwatchers admits that dieting wrong, that they got dieting wrong, oprah winfrey says that she's taking drugs now to keep her skinny. these these diets, injections and an airline is giving free seats to obese people . have we forgotten how to people. have we forgotten how to take personal responsibility for our health? don't go anywhere .

>> we've seen vandalism of jewish, uh, well, threats to jewish, uh, well, threats to jewish schools. >> and you're listening . to. >> and you're listening. to. >> and you're listening. to. >> good evening. welcome back to dewbs& co. it's me, bev turner tonight, while michelle takes a night off with me until 7:00, pr consultant alex dean former consultant alex dean and former labour matt plaza. labour advisor matt plaza. right, fellas , this is a bit right, fellas, this is a bit mean talking about this when we're about to eat ourselves into a stupor over the next

three weeks. but obesity cost the . £6.5 billion the nhs a whopping. £6.5 billion a year. and now the ceo of weight watchers, which is now called ww , i presume, is that called ww, i presume, is that not where were i don't know, they've admitted that they got it wrong when it comes to dieting. while their ambassador, oprah winfrey, has revealed she uses weight loss drugs, the hollywood star also has dubbed obesity a disease . is it? and in obesity a disease. is it? and in an era where you can take drugs to ward off craving carbohydrate , should we be taking our own health more seriously ? also, the health more seriously? also, the other bit of this story is that southwest airlines american airline, they've been accused of rewarding obesity with a new policy that grants very overweight passengers free extra seats. we're in a big mess, really, matt, aren't we on on this when it comes to weight? because we've got the body positivity saying it positivity movement saying it doesn't matter size you doesn't matter what size you are, you can be beautiful or all sizes and i agree that. sizes and i agree with that. i think you be beautiful at think you can be beautiful at all sizes, but your insides are going to rubbish your

going to look rubbish and your heart's to good. heart's not going to be good. you're can heart's not going to be good. yotbeautiful can heart's not going to be good. yotbeautiful at can heart's not going to be good. yotbeautiful at all can heart's not going to be good. yotbeautiful at all sizes. can be beautiful at all sizes. >> absolutely, impacts >> absolutely, but it impacts your there's no way of your health. there's no way of there's escaping. there's no way of escaping. >> we square that? >> so how do we square that? >> so how do we square that? >> mean, think >> yeah. well, i mean, i think that these loss that these these weight loss drugs a huge part of drugs, um, may be a huge part of the answer. don't we the answer. i don't think we should and should shy away from it. and i think think that think we shouldn't think that they are sort of an alternative to responsibility, to people's responsibility, because use them, to people's responsibility, becthave use them, to people's responsibility, becthave to use them, to people's responsibility, becthave to take use them, to people's responsibility, becthave to take responsibility.em, you have to take responsibility. carole malone, often sat here, has taken them, talks very openly the openly about it. i got all the gossin openly about it. i got all the goss in detail from her in the green room one morning, but there and she still has to be very about eats very careful about what she eats and responsibility. very careful about what she eats ancyeah, responsibility. very careful about what she eats ancyeah, but onsibility. very careful about what she eats ancyeah, but they'rety. very careful about what she eats ancyeah, but they're not side >> yeah, but they're not side effect >> yeah, but they're not side effeno not, and that's >> no they're not, and that's why them why you have to use them very carefully properly . uh, the carefully and properly. uh, the only thing is anybody who invested shares in the it's a, it's a danish company and it's now now basically the now it's now basically the company than the company is worth more than the danish because danish economy because they because people think that particularly the us, their particularly in the us, their use going explode. use is just going to explode. >> so depressing, >> i find that so depressing, alex. it feels like we've just given up. we've said to the corporations, you can just advertise. you can just feed . we advertise. you can just feed. we can go into every restaurant and the meal is the size. it would feed five. oh, sure.

feed a family of five. oh, sure. and got we've crisp and we've got we've got crisp packet machines every train packet machines on every train station platform . you've got buy station platform. you've got buy one, get one free on the most unhealthy food . and now we've unhealthy food. and now we've gone drugs companies gone fine. the drugs companies will take an will save you. just take an injection, you like. injection, eat what you like. >> um, think it's amazing how >> um, i think it's amazing how we fall for certain things . and we fall for certain things. and you're talking about falling for advertising you're talking about falling for adveris ing you're talking about falling for adveris weight watcher story is weight watcher advertising this. they have a new product on the market. they're pivoting their they're they're pivoting their business strategy. they're going to drug regime now. to move into a drug regime now. and winfrey , their brand and oprah winfrey, their brand ambassador, has a product to sell. and my god, they're great at their story, aren't at landing their story, aren't they? here it the they? here it is in the newspapers here are. newspapers and here we are. because newspapers because the newspapers are discussing and you know, in discussing it. and you know, in the end, you've got to ask cui bono who benefits? and the answer is weight answer in benefiting is weight watchers. they're going to watchers. do they're going to benefit new benefit from selling this new drug seen their drug because they've seen their numbers? , fall away of numbers? i imagine, fall away of people their routines people doing their routines because are using because so many people are using the now they're the drugs. so now they're getting into the drugs. yeah. >> absolutely and >> that's right. absolutely and the who are the support for people who are taking you have continue because you do have to continue to support. a kind to have support. it's not a kind of magic bullet. you're

of magic bullet. and you're sorted. be on the sorted. you have to be on the regime. so they're therefore with which is the new with services, which is the new buzzword corporate speak. yeah. >> but don't yeah. » but >> but you don't you say you've got self—restraint, got to exercise self—restraint, but of the but the whole point of the injections is that you don't want eat the foods, right, injections is that you don't wantyouaat the foods, right, injections is that you don't wantyou fancy. foods, right, that you fancy. >> you have to. what you >> yeah. you have to. what you have to do is you have to eat certain and have certain foods and you have to eat different sort eat in a different way. i sort of smaller but more of smaller portions, but more but think we should but more often i think we should appetites as well appetites suppressant as well though just you're less hungry. >> yeah. so sometimes one of the things being responsible >> yeah. so sometimes one of the thingsyou've being responsible >> yeah. so sometimes one of the thingsyou've taken responsible >> yeah. so sometimes one of the thingsyou've taken respoisible >> yeah. so sometimes one of the thingsyou've taken respois you when you've taken them is you have to yourself to eat, have to force yourself to eat, um, sure that you don't have to force yourself to eat, um,eat. sure that you don't have to force yourself to eat, um,eat. so sure that you don't have to force yourself to eat, um,eat. so that'sre that you don't have to force yourself to eat, um,eat. so that's partat you don't have to force yourself to eat, um,eat. so that's part at 3the don't not eat. so that's part of the responsibility because obviously you're going to run into health problems getting you're going to run into health proiright. getting you're going to run into health proiright. and getting you're going to run into health proiright. and eating,ing the right foods and eating, getting you need. >> but there is no responsibility. >> it's not responsibility >> it's not a responsibility free not free zone, but there is also not a effects zone when it a side effects free zone when it comes to drugs. >> drug can >> no, every single drug can have potential side effects. yeah >> and the idea that we should mass medicate people because they can't control their own appetite look, appetite is a silly one. look, let's . it's a very unfashionable let's. it's a very unfashionable view these in any free view these days. but in any free society, the number of fat people is going correlate people is going to correlate very closely number of

very closely with the number of people to be fat. people who've chosen to be fat. because, me , they eat and because, like me, they eat and dnnk because, like me, they eat and drink much and don't drink too much and they don't exercise certainly drink too much and they don't exe|preaching certainly drink too much and they don't exe|preaching from certainly drink too much and they don't exe|preaching from anyrtainly drink too much and they don't exe|preaching from any sortly drink too much and they don't exe|preaching from any sort of not preaching from any sort of moral superiority here. i've got a spare tire because i like to eat rich food. i like to have a drink, and i don't like to work out now i am of out very much. now i am aware of those things, and it is those things, right, and it is for it. now. if there for me to fix it. now. if there was a pill that would fix it with very few consequences, i'd probablyyou these these >> will you take these these drugs? won't, because drugs? i probably won't, because i give i don't want. should they give them to you you are, you i don't want. should they give them tooou you are, you i don't want. should they give them too slim. you are, you i don't want. should they give them too slim. well you are, you i don't want. should they give them too slim. well that's re, you i don't want. should they give them too slim. well that's very)u know, too slim. well that's very kind but, um, kind of you to say, but, um, i would take a pill if i thought there was no consequences. >> you, i think >> but i'm like you, and i think actually there some actually there are some consequences. actually there are some co the |uences. actually there are some co the consequence is me of the consequence is me thinking up me thinking it's no longer up to me to be responsible for my own body. >> eu y me in terms of >> yeah, mental me in terms of mentally what we're doing. i mean, going to as mean, you know, i'm going to as my kids will say, you're deep in it, mentally, what it, mom, but mentally, what we're by we're doing to humanity by saying, don't it's not saying, don't worry, it's not your responsibility. >> lots of people who >> there are lots of people who tried everything like a spiritual vacuum. >> going too deep it. spiritual vacuum. >> no, going too deep it. spiritual vacuum. >> no, no going too deep it. spiritual vacuum. >> no, no there] too deep it. spiritual vacuum. >> no, no there is. 0 deep it. spiritual vacuum. >> no, no there is. thatzp it. spiritual vacuum. >> no, no there is. that is it. matt. no, no there is. that is a spiritual vacuum that we're filling with.

>> think about those >> i just think about those people. and actually people. yes. and that's actually a people look a lot of people when they look at eating, at controlling their eating, is looking at their values, looking at they're under at the pressure they're under and a big. and the emotions. that's a big. but lots of people but there are lots of people who've everything and who, but there are lots of people wh yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> but for them, this is revolutionary drinking revolutionary too much drinking too exercising enough. but it does. think >> but it does. but i think everybody has an emotional relationship to food. everybody, whether eat . i relationship to food. everybody, whether eat. i really relationship to food. everybody, whether eat . i really like whether you eat. i really like self or even or even if you self or or even or even if you just if you don't eat because you have an emotional relationship with food, we all have think we neglect. have that. i think we neglect. we kind of like we've we just we've kind of like we've given that, given up on contemplate that, aren't one thinks about aren't we? no one thinks about that. talk kids that. we don't talk to kids abouthink we don't teach >> i think also we don't teach kids in schools very kids to cook in schools very much think much anymore because we think other priority , you other things are a priority, you know, and also because we're told now low in this told things are now low in this or think can or low in that we think we can have don't actually have it, but we don't actually realise low in one realise it may be low in one thing, in another. thing, but high in another. it may sugar, but it may may be low in sugar, but it may be fat. be high in fat. >> what about these airline >> and what about these airline

seats, that feel seats, alex? does that feel fair? if you have fair? if you have a if you have sort equipment, you sort of medical equipment, you have have to pay that have to you have to pay for that second seat. have to you have to pay for that sec if d seat. have to you have to pay for that sec if d se need two seats on an >> if you need two seats on an aircraft, you should for two aircraft, you should pay for two seats aircraft that said, aircraft, you should pay for two s don't aircraft that said, aircraft, you should pay for two s don't believe craft that said, aircraft, you should pay for two sdon't believe itaft that said, aircraft, you should pay for two sdon't believe it is that said, i don't believe it is interfering the private interfering with the private businesses ability to operate as it operate. businesses ability to operate as it yeah, operate. businesses ability to operate as it yeah, ojit'ate. businesses ability to operate as it yeah, ojit would actually >> yeah, but it would actually discourage an discourage me from flying on an airline that's giving airline that that's giving people won't give people who need equipment need medical equipment or, you know, people who are taking their, you know, you know, their musical instruments because they play musical instruments because they play orchestra play in an orchestra or, you know, people because , you know, tall people because, you know, tall people because, you know, you know, people who think know, tall people because, you kn mark)u know, people who think know, tall people because, you kn mark dolanw, people who think know, tall people because, you kn mark dolan at people who think know, tall people because, you kn mark dolan at six ple who think know, tall people because, you kn mark dolan at six ple vsix, think of mark dolan at six foot six, the tallest this . he's the tallest person in this. he's also one of the skinniest people. absolutely test. sure also one of the skinniest peium . absolutely test. sure also one of the skinniest peium ,absolutely test. sure also one of the skinniest peium , you>lutely test. sure also one of the skinniest peium , you know, test. sure also one of the skinniest peium , you know, i'mt. sure also one of the skinniest peium , you know, i'm 62 ure also one of the skinniest peium , you know, i'm 62 and is, um, you know, i'm 62 and it's pretty hard in zelenskyy. i actually have a friend his actually have a friend and his mum. both, stewards, mum. they're both, um, stewards, uh, , for, for this uh, for, for, uh, for this airline in question in the states. and won't repeat the states. and i won't repeat the reaction because it would get us taken the we a taken off the air. we need a bleep to policy because bleep to this policy because i think think it's they think think they think it's they think it's so i you know, this it's daft. so i you know, this seems it's uh, that seems to me that it's uh, that maybe they'll have a rethink if there's if one person weighs as >> like if one person weighs as much as two people. >> course, in the old, in the >> of course, in the old, in the early days of flying, people

have be weighed. was like early days of flying, people h.boxing)e weighed. was like early days of flying, people h.boxing)e wepeople was like early days of flying, people h.boxing)e we people wa toike early days of flying, people h.boxing)e wepeople wa to be weighed. >> croydon airport to weigh in. >> yeah, it's just like a boxing match. yeah. okay >> yeah, it's just like a boxing ma'i'm yeah. okay >> yeah, it's just like a boxing ma'i'm quite yeah. okay >> yeah, it's just like a boxing ma'i'm quite glad yeah. okay >> yeah, it's just like a boxing ma'i'm quite glad those okay >> yeah, it's just like a boxing ma'i'm quite glad those days' >> i'm quite glad those days are gone. think there in gone. i think there will be in the year. you went the new year. as you went through in front of fellow passengers. >> yeah, right. >> yeah, right. >> let's move as rishi >> okay. let's move on. as rishi sunak restricting sunak considers restricting social 16 is social media for the under 16 is the online world a frivolous pastime , or is it our biggest pastime, or is it our biggest downfall ? what are your downfall? what are your thoughts? don't go anywhere. we'll be back in two.

very good evening. if fizzy friday it is. everybody when you do dewbs& co. this is brilliant. we don't get this in the morning. >> we don't get this on britain's news. >> it's lovely, isn't >> we do know it's lovely, isn't it? um. right. um, matthew and alex with me, which is alex are still with me, which is good. um, i want to talk now good. um, so i want to talk now about should or about whether we should ban or at minimise the use of

at least minimise the use of social for media under 16. so reports are suggesting there are rumours that ministers are considering plans in the new yean considering plans in the new year, which could lead to young people being forced to get their parents permission to set up social accounts . i social media accounts. i personally they already personally thought they already did. anyway a government spokesperson we do not spokesperson has said. we do not comment speculation, but our comment on speculation, but our commitment making the uk the commitment to making the uk the safest place to be a child onune safest place to be a child online is unwavering , as online is unwavering, as evidenced by our landmark , some evidenced by our landmark, some might say, utterly oppressive online safety act . alex. online safety act. alex. >> it seems bizarre to suggest we need a raft of new activity, having just introduced on any view the online safety act is good or bad. having introduced a really significant wodge of law. >> huge, controversial as well , >> huge, controversial as well, and lots of people got different views on it and people have to adapt to it. >> and the providers are going to work what it to have to work out what it means. forth. having just means. and so forth. having just introduced idea, we're introduced that, the idea, we're then a whole new then going to set up a whole new programme before you to programme even before you get to the whether the question of whether prohibitions work. clue they don't. seems to me to don't. yeah, it seems to me to be crazy. you should implement

the law, how it goes. the new law, see how it goes. yeah >> en— e talk about we need >> when they talk about we need to children safe online. to keep children safe online. what do they mean? mat >> well, that's a very good question. i mean , i think at the question. i mean, i think at the moment when you're downloading apps, you have to tick a box saying most saying you're over 13. in most of them . yeah i agree, i'm anti of them. yeah i agree, i'm anti big brother. um, and i'm pro free speech. so you know i have lots of issues here. and i think you're absolutely right that it's daft for the it's completely daft for the government about government to be thinking about doing they've just doing this when they've just spent, they spend at a big tussle and got through four years so years online, four years. so i don't it's the don't you know, it's but on the other hand, don't have kids. other hand, i don't have kids. so who's talking. but the so look who's talking. but the issue online safety, i issue around online safety, i mean, you know, when i was a kid, you know, the big thing was could you sneak into a 15 film? and we have and obviously we do have physical checks people physical checks on people going into cinema. into going into the cinema. we have people have physical checks on people buying cigarettes. the buying a pack of cigarettes. the government is going make government is going to make sure, you know, soon 60 year olds 16 year olds will never mind. 16 year olds will never mind. 16 year olds to a olds won't be able to buy a packet of fags. online, all packet of fags. but online, all we ask is kids to tick a box saying, over and saying, are you over 13? and guess the guess what? 9/11 they tick the box, what is the danger? well, i

think the dangers are people. box, what is the danger? well, i think theing gers are people. box, what is the danger? well, i think theing groomed)eople. people being groomed through inappropriate inappropriate people share inappropriate content. lot content. um, so actually a lot of campaigners , they're of the campaigners, they're talking dowler, the talking to, milly dowler, the foundation memory, foundation set up in her memory, they're actually against this because they think it's the because they think that it's the owner on the to owner shouldn't be on the to parents get permission, but it should be on companies, should be on the companies, the tech so many tech companies making so many billions to put in place processes that protect people, including something called scanning, where scan scanning, where they scan images. what images. now that's what the campaigners images. now that's what the cani'mgners know , i know, >> i'm not i know, i know, you're just not going to keep kids just not kids offline on. it's just not realistic. the modern realistic. i think in the modern age. but me make a different age. but let me make a different point. people say point. the same people who say we restrict it access to we should restrict it access to the for under 16 the internet for under 16 seconds, large , tend seconds, gen by and large, tend to be the same people who say these people should able to these people should be able to choose take choose their genders and take life altering amounts of hormonal treatment. it's amazing life altering amounts of horrcan't treatment. it's amazing life altering amounts of horrcan't choose ent. it's amazing life altering amounts of horrcan't choose whetheramazing life altering amounts of horrcan't choose whether you're g you can't choose whether you're going sugar, you going to have any sugar, but you can a boy can choose whether you're a boy or i mean, just we or a girl. i mean, it's just we live upside world now live in an upside down world now where will say to where someone will say to somebody, going to let somebody, i'm not going to let you facebook but you have a facebook account, but i'm go down the i'm going to let you go down the tavistock treatment tavistock and take treatment that will change the rest of your mean, won't be your life. i mean, you won't be able kids when the

able to have kids when the reason we do that, not reason we don't do that, not that of those. that many of those. >> there's not that >> to be fair, there's not that many down. many people being taken down. the track to change the tavistock track to change their the tavistock track to change the they closing the >> they are closing the tavistock. but thank goodness, i mean, that you mean, who believe that you should do it. mean, who believe that you shoild do it. mean, who believe that you shoi didn't do it. mean, who believe that you shoi didn't mean do it. mean, who believe that you shoi didn't mean the it. mean, who believe that you shoi didn't mean the people who >> i didn't mean the people who are people who say are doing it, the people who say it's and it's okay mindset. and so there's perverse about there's something perverse about about and the reason that about that. and the reason that we generally don't do that is that children are bad decision makers . that's why we don't let makers. that's why we don't let them vote. that's why we don't let them choose their own bedtimes. why we bedtimes. and that's why we don't own don't let them choose their own diets, i'm diets, more or less. so i'm actually open to actually i'm quite open to whether or not someone wants to try what children try and control what children access online on the basic principle a lot principle that we control a lot of what children do. as i say, and i'm it's going to and i'm not sure it's going to work, there this weird work, but there is this weird hypocrisy going on on british society the moment where we society at the moment where we say, can't all these say, you can't do all these things, but and yet we're going to situation. to let you be dup situation. >> as >> but it is certain areas, as you it's a kind of, you you say, it's a kind of, you know, it's actually i mean, the truth matter is it's truth of the matter is it's a kind sort of slight fear of kind of sort of slight fear of actual lot of actual sex, because a lot of this people exercising this is about people exercising what believe called this is about people exercising what content. eve called adult content. >> really good point, >> that is a really good point,

actually. even adults actually. i mean, even adults now can't. >> well, one of the >> well, that's one of the things. adults content without. >> and is this is part >> and this is the this is part of i think what's so controversial online controversial with the online safety either facial safety act without either facial recognition . that's right. or recognition. that's right. or putting your bank details or putting in your bank details or exactly who you that's just exactly who you are. that's just as to look at adult as an adult to look at adult content . of i think content. and of course, i think that's outrageous. content. and of course, i think tha the utrageous. content. and of course, i think tha the thingeous. content. and of course, i think tha the thing about that is that >> the thing about that is that it's are it's only people who are completely down the line, law abiding , not technologically abiding, not technologically sophisticated to get caught by that, because in an age of bittorrents darknet vpn to go via a vpn and access vpn, i mean vpn, vpn, vpn , it's other aiden vpn, vpn, vpn, it's other aiden vpn, vpn, vpn, it's other aiden vpn, you meant vpn . you didn't vpn, you meant vpn. you didn't mean. all right, i'm in an age. there are people who want to access really, really dark bad stuff. that's right. they'll get it. they can do it. but people who just want a bit of smarts and by the way, they've been kids of looking at naughty kids sort of looking at naughty magazines well before magazines since well before the internet magazines since well before the intethey certainly. they're >> they certainly. yeah, they're passed in school, passed around in every school, every the country passed around in every school, eve since the country passed around in every school, eve since printing, the country passed around in every school, eve since printing, youe country passed around in every school, eve since printing, you know, try for, since printing, you know, and that know that and i know that i know that rishi sunak alluding to

rishi sunak is alluding to social media but i mean, social media here, but i mean, you covered you know, porn is covered in this safety bill as well. this online safety bill as well. >> 17 year old boys >> you know, 17 year old boys who might have a natural, procreative urge to and indulge in pleasure in the most intimate and private way the government and private way the government and corporations are now involved in that activity . just involved in that activity. just think about that. yes. and that boy won't go and put his face in and put his bank details in. he will go on the dark web . they will go on the dark web. they will go on the dark web. they will find a way, and then they're going to see awful stuff. >> yeah. when you're when you if you're going for a job in government you have be government where you have to be security cleared when the first question is, question they ask you, um, is, have accessed adult have you ever accessed adult content the answer content and they want the answer they because you they want is yes, because if you say they're say no, they think they're basically you're lying. so you feel the small feel sorry for the very small percentage of people who never have, they think have, who say no. and they think they're lying. but it's because, like, hypocrisy like, we have such hypocrisy about you about it. and as alex says, you know, were passed in the know, things were passed in the around the schoolyard, around in the schoolyard, back in in my yeah. now in back in my day. yeah. now it's i think we it's accessed online. i think we have a realistic have to have a realistic conversation. course conversation. yes, of course there nasty people out

there are some nasty people out there are some nasty people out there who we need to think about how we kids that, how we protect kids from that, but also we don't want to be in how we protect kids from that, but new we don't want to be in how we protect kids from that, but new puritanism'ant to be in how we protect kids from that, but new puritanism age,o be in how we protect kids from that, but new puritanism age, thee in the new puritanism age, the age of puritans. the new puritanism age, the age of absolutely. s. the new puritanism age, the age of absolutely. the thing is, >> absolutely. the thing is, with this suggest, with this, this suggest, alex, that might ban that rishi sunak might ban social media for the love a ban in this country. >> they love a ban, love a ban. >>— >> they love a ban, love a ban. >> they love a ban, love a ban. >> they a ban . >> they love a ban. >> they love a ban. >> i'm a bit confused because i thought getting thought rishi sunak was getting ready for when he's not prime minister and move minister anymore, to go and move to malibu house and work for to his malibu house and work for one social one of the one of the social media. now, he'll be prime media. now, now he'll be prime minister thousand years. media. now, now he'll be prime miryeah, thousand years. media. now, now he'll be prime miryeah, outrageous.1d years. media. now, now he'll be prime mirifeah, outrageous.1d years. media. now, now he'll be prime mirifeah,1suggestus.1d years. media. now, now he'll be prime mirifeah, isuggest that years. media. now, now he'll be prime mirifeah, isuggest that also 's. media. now, now he'll be prime mirifeah, isuggest that also bear >> if you suggest that also bear in what this is it's in mind what this is doing. it's creating it's very creating. i think it's very clever. ambition to clever. if their ambition is to just organise in just have everybody organise in a set and you will a digital data set and you will have with name on have a folder with your name on it. alex with all of your, all of your information in there, then this is priming children. you on to snapchat, but you can go on to snapchat, but we're going to need to know who you are. we want to. one of the suggestions is that children suggestions is that the children will have their scanned. will have their faces scanned. >> know the funny thing >> you know the funny thing about that don't like it. the funny thing that is most funny thing about that is most parents, love those funny thing about that is most paren'of love those funny thing about that is most paren'of suggestions love those funny thing about that is most paren'of suggestions ..ove those kinds of suggestions. >> and certainly it's going

>> and certainly if it's going to life easier or to make their life easier or given slightest given even the slightest scintilla of suggestion of a modicum , they'll give modicum of safety, they'll give up all privacy, up all freedoms, all privacy, and say, you go. you go ahead. in fact, a good clutch of people in this country want us to return to yeah i was return to covid. yeah i was about 20% people think about to say 20% of people think we is the we should be my friends is the perfect to end on my perfect note to end it on my last show of the year. >> have a lovely christmas. merry christmas, merry christmas, merry christmas. i'm back day at 930. back on new year's day at 930. >> i'm here on christmas morning. >> w— >> here's lee anderson, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello. welcome to your latest gbillionews weather update from the met office . this weekend the met office. this weekend will be a cloudy and fairly mild one for many of us, and there will be a lot of dry weather around. however, there is an amber warning force amber rain warning in force for parts northwest scotland parts of northwest scotland through of saturday and through much of saturday and sunday. that's because we'll see this of fronts this string of weather fronts bringing some quite relentless rain weekend , and rain throughout the weekend, and we'll see some of that rain

throughout friday night. it'll generally be a lighter than it is going become the is going to become over the weekend, still be weekend, but it it'll still be fairly and persistent fairly patchy and persistent further should stay further south. it should stay dry much of the night. dry through much of the night. there drizzle over there could be some drizzle over the ground the and the high ground in the west and in we could see some in the east. we could see some clear spells developing, allowing for a slightly cooler start, elsewhere it's likely start, but elsewhere it's likely to be a very mild start to the weekend, particularly in northern areas of scotland. however here it will be quite a windy and wet day throughout saturday we'll see the rain really start to persist into the afternoon. further south, still staying largely dry but cloudy and i think it will be a windier day than today out there tomorrow and temperatures again around 11 or 12 degrees. so on the milder side of things for this of year in the far this time of year in the far north of scotland, through sunday, the will continue. sunday, the rain will continue. it turns particularly heavy from saturday night and will persist all the way through sunday into monday there is an monday as well. so there is an amber warning force. we could amber warning in force. we could see as 200mm rain, see as much as 200mm of rain, which bring a risk of which does bring a risk of landslides . that rain will sink

landslides. that rain will sink southwards through monday and that allow some cooler air that will allow some cooler air to from the north. to arrive from the north. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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