gender issues arises. >> so i thought it might be best if i could speak to perhaps the most famous transgender person in the world, caitlyn jenner. john it's a pleasure to be here. it's so nice of you. >> thank you so much. yeah >> thank you so much. yeah >> i want to know what you really feel about woke . really feel about woke. >> i hate it . really feel about woke. >> i hate it. uh, i am so against it. you have to realise . against it. you have to realise. and being in the trans community, you think, oh my gosh, you must be. >> you're not expecting that? >> you're not expecting that? >> yeah, you don't expect it. but i've been around a long time. i've seen a lot. i am a product of my father, who was in this country for four months training to invade normandy. he was on the beaches in normandy, was on the beaches in normandy, was the fifth ranger battalion. they were the first boats on omaha beach . um, he somehow

omaha beach. um, he somehow survived. he even said on his death bed. he died in 2000. he even said in his deathbed he said, hey, i should have died a long time ago. i had a great life. i have no complaints . um, life. i have no complaints. um, but he was a true american. i mean, that was the greatest generation. i am a product of that. generation. i am a product of that . i'm a generation. i am a product of that. i'm a patriot. i'm a the united states. i love the good old us of a, uh. i'm a patriot. when i was growing up, we said the national, you know, we did the national, you know, we did the national, you know, we did the national anthem. we had the pledge of allegiance that we sang. no, no, they don't do all that stuff anymore. sang. no, no, they don't do all tha theyf anymore. sang. no, no, they don't do all tha they don'tnore. pledge of allegiance. >> no. not anymore. in schools. and shame . and i've and it's a shame. and i've always been so proud to be an american. and uh, in fact, i was the first person to ever put up an american flag or a flag. any flag at the finish line at the olympic games. where now everybody goes across the finish line , they have their pr guy line, they have their pr guy standing there and thank you. they have their pr guy standing

there and um, uh, you know , they there and um, uh, you know, they have their country's flag . and i have their country's flag. and i started that whole thing back in 1976. it wasn't planned. a guy jumped out of the stands and gave me a flag, and i said, oh my god, what do i do? spontaneous. and, uh, yeah. so i've been a very proud i've always been a very proud american, and proud of our american, and i'm proud of our culture and everything. i culture and everything. and i see happening in the woke see what's happening in the woke world. to be honest you world. and to be honest with you really, me . um, i really, really bothers me. um, i see the advertising world on one end of it is, is sort of useful and constructive , and the other and constructive, and the other end is a bit crazy. i would agree with that. um yeah. yeah. um you know, the old saying you go woke, you go broke, and you're seeing how advertisers are doing that, but for me, i've always been on the conservative side. i'm when i came out, um, 2015 and i did diane sawyer, but i did it as bruce and it was the first interview i had done that i had ever talked about dealing with gender dysphoria. my entire

life. and um, at the end of the interview, she goes, well, you know, we talked about gender dysphoria and the problems with this and that the trans this and that and the trans community and she goes, oh, and by the way , i was kind of by the way, i was kind of surprised. i hear you're a republican . and i went, uh, i republican. and i went, uh, i was kind of surprised by the question, but i go, yeah , we question, but i go, yeah, we have democrats. we have republicans. i've always been on the conservative side. i've been, you know, and she goes, well, that's very surprising . i well, that's very surprising. i got more flack for being a republican than i did for being trans . yeah, i've always , always trans. yeah, i've always, always been that way. and i've always , been that way. and i've always, uh, i've always been involved in politics in some way . uh, lately politics in some way. uh, lately more because there's so many political issues . political issues. >> she stood for governor >> she stood for governor >> i did, uh, this was , uh, a >> i did, uh, this was, uh, a year and a half ago . whatever it year and a half ago. whatever it was now, uh, there was a recall election going on in california . election going on in california. i've lived in california since .

i've lived in california since. 1973. been there a long time. i remember driving my 1963 vw bug . remember driving my 1963 vw bug. i just graduated from college in iowa . um, and i was driving to iowa. um, and i was driving to california to, um, because i was going to make it in california. and i remember coming to the sign right at the border , it sign right at the border, it says, welcome to california. the golden state. and i was like, so excited. i'm going to california. i'm going to make it there. and i did. i went to san jose, for the last jose, was there for the last four training game four years training for the game in san jose, california . um, and in san jose, california. um, and yeah, i won the games out of san jose and, um, moved to los angeles after that because you were getting into the into the entertainment business. and, um, i just just loved california . i just just loved california. and to see to watch it just being destroyed by by liberal woke democrats, you know, the state is run by that. >> so what's the woke part of

that? it's liberal, but woke democrats. >> yes . woke democrats. very >> yes. woke democrats. very liberal. it's all about fairness . it's all about this. in fact, you know, you see biden at and even all the democrats talk about we are a democracy . we you about we are a democracy. we you know, we got to protect the democracy. well, we're not a democracy. well, we're not a democracy . we in the united democracy. we in the united states, we are a constitutional republic . and, um , a democracy republic. and, um, a democracy is about equality, fairness , all is about equality, fairness, all of that. okay. what we are is a constitutional republic , dick, constitutional republic, dick, is it's about equality. it's about everybody being equal. okay uh, and sorry, it's about everybody being. it's about everybody's individual rights. we as americans are individual, and we have rights as an american man, okay? democracy is just about everybody's got to be equal. just about everybody's got to be equal . so we are a equal. so we are a constitutional republic , dick. constitutional republic, dick. is it equal? it's all based on each individual's rights as as

an american. and to do what they want to do to build a business. >> caitlyn rights and duties, or is it just rights? >> it's a constitution . >> it's a constitution. democracy is about individual rights, not equality . not like rights, not equality. not like you have to be like everybody else . as an american, we have else. as an american, we have individual rights. when we're born, we have the right bill of rights we've got all of this. and so , so, um, you know, i and so, so, um, you know, i wanted to say that. and i see us going farther and farther away from bigger bigger from that with bigger and bigger and government the and bigger government in the united california, united states. so in california, when the recall election came up, and i just loved the state and honestly , i thought of my and honestly, i thought of my father , um, who's in 2000, we father, um, who's in 2000, we buned father, um, who's in 2000, we buried in him in arlington with all his war buddies. >> arlington. >> arlington. >> yeah. and if could see >> yeah. and if he could see what happening to our what was happening to our country and to state, he country and to our state, he would be devastated when in his generation, you know, 364 guys in his division , 60 came back

in his division, 60 came back alive . five okay, everybody alive. five okay, everybody around him died for our individual freedoms , you know, individual freedoms, you know, and to see how we're losing that and to see how we're losing that and how government is taking that over and what are they? you know what i, i, i can stand up i think as americans, we need to stand up and, um, uh, gavin newsom has been an absolute horrible , uh, governor. he was horrible, uh, governor. he was horrible, uh, governor. he was horrible for this. he was mayor of san francisco . he was the of san francisco. he was the beginning of the downfall of san francisco. now it's don't even go there. everybody's leaving the place. it's the same with the place. it's the same with the state. high taxes. uh, so many regulations. you can't do business in this state anymore. it's just going downhill. all because of the gavin newsom's of the world. and >> and how much is that influenced by woke? unfortunately, it's a lot of it. >> is this woke mentality of everybody has to be fair. everything's got to be nice . we everything's got to be nice. we have to be understanding of this . honestly, it just doesn't work

that way. so when , um, the that way. so when, um, the recall election came up, i thought, why not? you know, hey , thought, why not? you know, hey, my dad stormed the beaches of normandy. i said, at least i can storm the beaches of malibu . you storm the beaches of malibu. you know, to try to save this state. and i knew it. was it almost an impossible task ? um, and, uh, impossible task? um, and, uh, and we've never even had a woman governor of the state of california, let alone a trans girl. all right. and i knew it was a really, really tough up road battle. but i also knew that it would get me. it would get me involved. i've got to try, as american citizen , i try, as an american citizen, i have do what i can to try, as an american citizen, i have that do what i can to try, as an american citizen, i have that , do what i can to try, as an american citizen, i have that , you do what i can to try, as an american citizen, i have that , you know? at i can to try, as an american citizen, i have that , you know? so can to try, as an american citizen, i have that , you know? so i:an to save that, you know? so i went in, did okay, but i learned a lot. uh, it brought me more into the political side of things. what did you learn from that? >> that you didn't know before? >> that you didn't know before? >> what a scam . >> what a scam. >> what a scam. >> california is a scam . >> california is a scam. >> california is a scam. >> scam? everything is a scam . >> scam? everything is a scam. uh, everything is about politics. everything is a scam. um take, uh, homeless issue,

homeless issue in california is a big, big, big business. okay >> business. >> business. >> huge business. tell me more . >> huge business. tell me more. um uh, nonprofits , you know, we um uh, nonprofits, you know, we hear about them all the time. you have nonprofits and stuff. um uh, there are nonprofits in california that are really backed by government. they give them literally billions of dollars. gavin newsom has spent like 3 or $4 billion on trying to solve the homeless issue and only doubled in size . why? only doubled in size. why? because he gave the money to certain, uh, non profits who have trimmed rendus overhead. 90% of the money goes to run that non—profit , and then the that non—profit, and then the money 90, then the money they have left over, they send it back to, you know, for campaign loans for democratic , um, uh, loans for democratic, um, uh, candidates for the gavin newsom's of the world. they kicked the money right back. so

it's just it's a scam. so it's now it's a i do want to say it's a crime in california. yeah. and because when i was there, i went all through the homeless all through on the homeless issue. lot of issue. there are a lot of nonprofits that are just so good.i nonprofits that are just so good. i mean, they do wonderful work , you know, but for the work, you know, but for the other ones, the ones that are getting state money, they're only, you know, they're doing it to run the non—profit and to kick it back to gavin newsom. like salvation army downtown la . like salvation army downtown la. phenomenal work. no state money, uh, church organisations in downtown la serve a million meals a year and they take no state funds . and they have, you state funds. and they have, you know, rehab centres for drug addiction . and they do wonderful addiction. and they do wonderful work . and but on the big side, work. and but on the big side, it's just it's a scam , you know, it's just it's a scam, you know, and every time you turn around and every time you turn around and you just get so disappointed in people, so disappointed in that. so yeah, it's it it's a tough california's going downhill . do you know you if you downhill. do you know you if you lived in denver and you needed

to go to california and you need to go to california and you need to get a u—haul, okay. because you a bunch of you got to bring a bunch of stuff california , they'll stuff to california, they'll give for free. give you the u—haul for free. you don't even have to pay. why? because get the because they want to get all the u—hauls to california, and u—hauls out to california, and then double the price then they double the price because they need u—hauls. there because they need u—hauls. there because everybody's leaving . because everybody's leaving. >> yeah, my daughter's thinking of moving out of california . of moving out of california. >> yeah. it's tough. i, i, i've certainly thought about it . uh, certainly thought about it. uh, but i have a very large family. i don't know if you've heard. i have a lot of children. yes, yes . and. well, how many ? well, i . and. well, how many? well, i have ten kids. um, that i helped raise, and, uh, and i coming up in the next month or two, i'll have 22 grandchildren. oh god. yeah. so i have a large family and everybody's living in california. so for me, it would be really difficult to leave . be really difficult to leave. yeah. um, although i certainly have thought about it, you know, but coming back to work, which is what i'm, i'm fascinated by, um, you do you think the all

their ideas are bad or most of them or some of them? i think i mean , let's take the trans trans mean, let's take the trans trans people. yeah. um i think they've taken the woke ideology and has just taken it to the max where it's not even. i'm a common sense person. okay i like to think of i'm. i'm the adult in the room . okay. maybe i'm not, the room. okay. maybe i'm not, but i like to think of myself as the adult in the room that has had a lot of experiences in life . i've gone through a lot in my life . um, and i've learned life. um, and i've learned a lot. and i know kind of how the world works. and and but because of that, i also i'm not always on the radical. i call them the radical rainbow coalition or the, uh, the rainbow. the radical rainbow , uh, mafia . i

radical rainbow, uh, mafia. i mean, the lgbt community. there is a small group that has taken that over even in the trans community, small group of highly woke crazy people that don't i don't think, you know , they're don't think, you know, they're not good for trans people in general because they're so outspoken and, you know, trans women are real women. and you know, they're yelling at people and you're not going to get anywhere with that. but it's a small and in social small community. and in social media, why do they have so media, why why do they have so much they're small? much power if they're so small? >> of social gives >> because of social media gives them loud microphone, you them a big, loud microphone, you know, big, loud voice . and but know, big, loud voice. and but does that give his social media has done is given , um, small has done is given, um, small groups . groups. >> uh , a big voice and the media >> uh, a big voice and the media loves it because it's very controversial and this and that. so the media clicks. yes yes. and so , so many people in, in and so, so many people in, in the lgbt community, i mean , not the lgbt community, i mean, not so many a small group of people

in the lgbt community have this big social media microphone that's out there and they want to get clicks. they want to be celebrities, they want to be influencers . and honestly, i influencers. and honestly, i think that really hurts most trans people. all they want to do is just go live their life. >> exactly. well, that's the feeling i that . but there's feeling i have that. but there's an extraordinarily obsession about a group of people who are important , about a group of people who are important, like any other group of people. but it seems to be out of proportion to the amount of coverage they get . of coverage they get. >> i agree with you. 1,000.

now now, since we have a little bit of time, let me explain how i'm only an expert on my story, okay? my story . okay? my story. >> i'm an expert, a pretty good story. you can tell it if you like. >> i was also dyslexic, a

dyslexic kid. oh really? and so when i was growing up, i was gender dysphoric. but back in the 50s and 60s, when i was growing didn't talk growing up, you didn't even talk about there wasn't name about there wasn't even a name for you your mouth for it. so you keep your mouth shut. lucky fifth grade for it. so you keep your mouth sfound lucky fifth grade for it. so you keep your mouth sfound sports, ky fifth grade for it. so you keep your mouth sfound sports, um, fifth grade for it. so you keep your mouth sfound sports, um, and] grade i found sports, um, and i latched on to that baby because i wasn't doing good in school. um, and all of a sudden we had a running race in, uh, in fifth grade around a bunch of chairs in the parking lot, and they were timing every kid. and i had the time in whole the fastest time in the whole school was the first school. it was like the first time really accomplished time i ever really accomplished anything what, anything in school. at what, age 11? 11. somewhere around 11? yeah, 11. somewhere around there. so i latched on to there. and so i latched on to sports . i there. and so i latched on to sports. i needed there. and so i latched on to sports . i needed it just because sports. i needed it just because suffering from gender dysphoria, ineeded suffering from gender dysphoria, i needed to be the guy i could go out there and take on a, you know , go play football, take know, go play football, take a guy who's a good student, good reader, and clean clock . you reader, and clean his clock. you know, you that . you know, know, you need that. you know, that's important for your growth . yeah. and it kind of set up a pattern and, so , so after pattern. and, um, so, so after the games i never talked about

it, but after the games, a couple a year or two after the games, a guy calls me up and, uh, from the local paper, this is before , you know, social is before, you know, social media and the internet and all that and says , i heard you were that and says, i heard you were dyslexic. i'd to love do an article on it . dyslexic. i'd to love do an article on it. great. so i said, come on. i'm thinking, you know, you can help some people. nobody knows me . but there's knows that about me. but there's a kids out there are a lot of kids out there that are suffering that. know i suffering from that. they know i had and i dealt with it. and had it and i dealt with it. and my life is great. and i've been able tremendous able to accomplish tremendous things. good. so things. might be good. so anyway, i came and did the interview . and in today's terms, interview. and in today's terms, it went viral . it went all over it went viral. it went all over the place . i had everybody the place. i had everybody calling me about being dyslexic . calling me about being dyslexic. and there's organisations that you give speeches at and they're starting new organised sessions. and i watched over the next couple of years the word being dyslexic got bigger and bigger and bigger to where parents are looking at their kids. and bigger to where parents are looking at their kids . and, you looking at their kids. and, you know, they say one word

backwards or, you know, one sentence they put backwards. they do something. they go, oh my know , they could be my god, you know, they could be dyslexic. we need to get special classes. got spend classes. we've got to spend money get into a special money and get into a special school and totally , we got out school and totally, we got out of whack. uh that 3 or 4 years later, i said, i'm not doing anything else. on being dyslexic. it it's been hijacked by the media and by people trying to make money off it. i see the exact same thing happening right now. uh with the trans, with trans people . all trans, with trans people. all they're being exploited . um, they're being exploited. um, it's just it's not fair. um, they're this woke world is teaching radical gender ideology to our children. they could destroy lives. i think about if that happened in my life. let's say i was in sixth, seventh grade because when i grew up, there wasn't even a word for it. but all of a sudden, this teacher stopped talking to me about gender dysphoria and this and that . and i'm thinking in my and that. and i'm thinking in my

head, that's me . head, that's me. >> you knew? oh, i knew it from when i was a little kid from earlier. >> yeah, i was born that way. oh, now how are you right oh, yeah. now how are you right handed or left handed ? handed or left handed? >> right handed. >> right handed. >> yeah. well, i'm left handed. why are you handed and me why are you right handed and me left handed? >> uh , just kind of the way. >> uh, just kind of the way. >> uh, just kind of the way. >> just kind of the way we were born. yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah. um. and it's the same yeah. and um. and it's the same with gender dysphoria. it's just kind of the way you were born. i mean, that's part of me . and, mean, that's part of me. and, um. but for so many years, if had a chance to read my book secrets of my life, i talk about all the sneaking around and how my life was just a mess , you my life was just a mess, you know, for so many, many years. but i was fortunate . i had a but i was fortunate. i had a family. i've lived a phenomenal life. but if i would have been taught that stuff at at when i was in grade school, let's say , was in grade school, let's say, you know, about this radical gender ideology , it might have gender ideology, it might have just totally changed my entire life. and all for the worse. and so i want to keep this . radical

so i want to keep this. radical gender ideology out of schools. um, i want government out of the trans business. i would like to see the media out of the trans business. okay this is a decision. this is a decision not by government, not by i don't even want government, uh, support or, uh, paying for gender reassignment surgery . i gender reassignment surgery. i none of that stuff. this is a decision between the child , the decision between the child, the parent, the parents, the mother and father, a doctor , which they and father, a doctor, which they would bring in because a lot of them are very age. to them are very young age. and to be with you gods, the them are very young age. and to be one, with you gods, the them are very young age. and to be one, those you gods, the them are very young age. and to be one, those are gods, the them are very young age. and to be one, those are theis, the them are very young age. and to be one, those are the ones; last one, those are the ones making the decision . i feel like making the decision. i feel like government coming in and government is coming in and teaching these kids . why? teaching these kids. why? because they're trying to break up family . up the family. >> why do you think they're being so the being taught this so the government the government can break up the family like you're to family like like you're going to have you're take have a if you're going to take the world the greatest nation in the world and it a socialist nation, and make it a socialist nation, uh, you can't have a strong middle class. >> you cannot have a strong family unit. we've always family unit. and we've always had in our country,

had that in our country, a strong family unit. and it isn't the disparity between poverty and richness is very much greater than it's ever been. yes, i government has just gotten too big too. >> isn't that more because of the reagan policies ? the reagan policies? >> reagan? no. i thought reagan was one of the greatest. when he has you talk to barack obama this . this and that. >> um, i mean, it was as a result of his his policies that you had more rich people and more poor people. no uh, no, there's nothing wrong with rich people. >> no , they they make money, >> no, they they make money, they hire people. they have companies . people work for them . companies. people work for them. you know, a successful business, a successful person hires a lot of people, and they pay a lot of taxes. and the list goes on and on and on. i was just talking about the fact that middle class tends to have disappeared. we need a strong middle class. yes, tends to have disappeared. we neeneedtrong middle class. yes, tends to have disappeared. we neeneed a)ng middle class. yes, tends to have disappeared. we nee need a strongjdle class. yes, tends to have disappeared. we neeneed a strong middle ss. yes, tends to have disappeared. we neeneed a strong middle class. ., we need a strong middle class. and have. and we're losing we need a strong middle class. and have. and we're losing and you have. and we're losing the have by and you have. and we're losing the have by the middle class. you have by design . why in the united the middle class. you have by design . why in the united

design. why in the united design. why in the united states, now? this week , states, now? this week , states, right now? this week, literally millions of people are states, right now? this week, literally millions of people are coming into our country coming into our country illegally. millions of people i illegally. millions of people i would say it's going to be by would say it's going to be by the time it gets over with and the time it gets over with and we get a different president, we get a different president, there'll be at least 15 million there'll be at least 15 million people in our country illegally. people in our country illegally. okay venezuela emptying out okay venezuela emptying out their jails , putting them on their jails putting them theirjails, putting them on buses, taking them to the okay venezuela emptying out theirjails putting them on theirjails, putting them on buses, taking them to the border, sending them across into border, sending them across into the united states. >> that's fascinating. the the united states. >> that's ones f’ venezuela ones are taking people the united states. >> that's ones are ’ the united states. >> that's ones are taking people out prison . venezuela ones are taking people out of prison. >> yeah, because they don't want to them anymore. to deal with them anymore. putting on a bus. to deal with them anymore. puttirthem on a bus. to deal with them anymore. puttirthem across on a bus. out to deal with them anymore. puttirthem across the on a bus. to deal with them anymore. puttirthem across the border bus. to deal with them anymore. puttirthem across the border to s. send them across the border to us. there's terrorists us. that's there's terrorists coming in. um, yeah. i mean, it's just we're going to be deaung it's just we're going to be dealing with this in the united states for the next 50 years. >> and is that one of the reasons why there's no middle class diminishing importing, class or diminishing importing, importing lower class? >> yeah . you know, they're >> yeah. you know, they're importing it . >> yeah. you know, they're

importing it. so it's to help. >> it's unfortunate or not because . a lot of a lot of because. a lot of a lot of economists are in favour of heavy immigration. >> not too many. well no too many. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you're drawing a no no no no, we're our country we're destroying our country with is not we're destroying our country with an is not we're destroying our country with an economy is not we're destroying our country with an economy standpoint. we're destroying our country winotin economy standpoint. we're destroying our country winotin ec0|they'reandpoint. we're destroying our country wi not in ec0|they're and on nt. is not good. they're all on welfare. we're taxpayers. we're paying welfare. we're taxpayers. we're paying for them. we're paying for we're paying for their school. we're paying for their health care. we're paying for their health care. we're paying kids. i mean, paying for their kids. i mean, the list goes on and and the list goes on and on. and on. it's burden on our it's a tremendous burden on our country . yeah, on our taxpayer, country. yeah, on our taxpayer, on our middle class. >> do you think that the very rich should pay more tax or the same as the middle class ? same as the middle class? >> no. i am for a fair tax. >> no. i am for a fairtax. i think everybody should pay the exact same thing. so right now, over 50% like around 50% of the population in united states doesn't pay any taxes . uh, the doesn't pay any taxes. uh, the top 1% pays 30. the top 10% pays like 50 or 60% of all of the taxes in our country. no. so

it's not like you take the it's not like you take the more money from 10% of pay, 30% of the tax, the top 1% pays 30, top 10% pays 50% of all taxes. in the united states. that's not that's not a fair system . um, that's not a fair system. um, um, and the bottom 50% pays nothing. so they have no skin in the game, and they're the ones getting all the services. so um, yeah, i our tax code has yeah, i mean, our tax code has to be looked at if can bring to be looked at if i can bring you back to woke again. >> okay. go. >> okay. let's go. i'm interested there's any aspect interested if there's any aspect of you like . because of woke that you like. because to me, it's a spectrum between some ideas which are to do with kindness, which is fundamentally a christian virtue view. and the other percent which is going a bit, a little bit bananas. we had a case the other day where a company called and not a company and a solution called oxfam , um, and a solution called oxfam, um, um, they issued a pamphlet telling the people who work for them, advising them how they

should speak, and they said things like, um, if you support someone, you should not say to them that they that you stand with them because it might upset people who can't stand. now that seems to me ridiculous. so there's one end of work that i think is pretty ridiculous, but there's another end which ideally is about trying to help and kind and care. >> i am . 100% behind kindness. >> i am. 100% behind kindness. yeah, not a bad idea. >> i'm a kind person. >> i'm a kind person. >> i'm a kind person. >> i help people , um, i do >> i help people, um, i do whatever i can, i my whole family is that way. i've tried to bring them up that way. kindness is extremely important. um, i just joined on as a spokesman for a, a pac , which is spokesman for a, a pac, which is raising money for issues. it's called fairness. first, i'm all about fairness. okay and that because i have been an advocate .

because i have been an advocate. for um, fairness in women's sports, i'm not on the woke side of saying, oh, trans women should be able to compete in sports. no, it's not fair, okay? it's just not fair. and it's not. so i've been out trying to for the last two years, trying to protect women's sports. yes, i love women. yes. okay. and it's just not fair. um, that to compete against is that if you puberty, if you have a man's body, it's essentially bigger and stronger than a woman's body would be. >> if you then go to rules are all over the place. >> okay . when it comes to trans >> okay. when it comes to trans women in sports, um , and, you women in sports, um, and, you know, i go all the way back and you go way back there too . you you go way back there too. you remember back in the 70 sees a little bit into the 80s, the east german women at the olympics . yeah. remember that . olympics. yeah. remember that. and the, the soviet it was soviet union back then. the soviet union back then. the soviet women , you looked at them soviet women, you looked at them and you went, oh my god, you know, at those girls. i

know, look at those girls. i mean, and so the olympic committee has been dealing with it for a long time to keep it fair. and that was mostly drug related. okay. it was because the testing procedures weren't as accurate back then as they are today. today they're so accurate and they're so well tested. they they they do a pretty they do good pretty good job. they do a good job testing yeah, they pretty good job. they do a good joba esting yeah, they pretty good job. they do a good joba goodi yeah, they pretty good job. they do a good joba good job yeah, they pretty good job. they do a good joba good job for yeah, they pretty good job. they do a good joba good job for that. 1h, they pretty good job. they do a good joba good job for that. buthey pretty good job. they do a good joba good job for that. but um, do a good job for that. but um, when it comes to sports it's just not fair. um, and honestly, i started with the leah thomas deal and you remember that at penn. it just wasn't fair. and leah thomas was six four big hands transitioned just over the last couple of years . um, and last couple of years. um, and hormone levels were lower, but went through male puberty , six, went through male puberty, six, four big hands kick and but in the ncaa okay. yes. and it's just wrong. it's just it's not fair. it's not fair because they went through puberty. fina is the world organisation fashion. yeah. um for controls the rules

in swimming change the rules said and i think rightly so , said and i think rightly so, that you would have to have transitioned before the age of 12. why? because you have to transition before you go through puberty. with that puberty. and i agree with that decision. that puberty. and i agree with that decisi

um, if the boys get, um, let's say the men's soccer team gets ten scholarships. well then the women have to get ten scholarships, too. okay well, with that in place over the last 30 years, 40 years, i mean, it has risen, um, women's sports tremendously. yeah, it's given out so many scholarships to women . and it's been such women. and it's been such a great program. okay. great program. well even the ncaa is doing things about trans athletes , but now joe biden , athletes, but now joe biden, who's been on the wrong side of every issue in history, says we have to open up title nine to make it gender identit , not make it gender identit, not women , which would kill women's women, which would kill women's sports backed by $10 million by george soros . okay um, backed by george soros. okay um, backed by george soros. okay um, backed by george soros. okay um, backed by george soros. so now joe biden is literally trying to ruin , um, is literally trying to ruin, um, women's sports by letting anybody who just identifies as a woman go in and compete . it

woman go in and compete. it would destroy women's sports. it would destroy women's sports. it would discourage women. it is ridiculous . would discourage women. it is ridiculous. so would discourage women. it is ridiculous . so with fairness, ridiculous. so with fairness, first, that's what we're doing . first, that's what we're doing. we're raising money to go out and fight this , fight this and fight this, fight this issue, because it's not going away not away. but away. it's not going away. but a lot of international, uh, bodies governing sports have made decisions in accordance with what you're saying. some of the big ones have not everyone we have a long way to go because in the in the case of fairness, you have to deal with every different organism station and they have to come up with their own set of rules, you know, and so that's what we do at fairness. first we're doing that and we're also working on two things fairness and women's sports. and we're also working on, um , uh, parental rights . i on, um, uh, parental rights. i see that people are and i see what's happening . we're losing what's happening. we're losing parental rights . it's like the parental rights. it's like the state wants to take over our children when it comes to teaching radical gender ideology . you know, this this , you know,

. you know, this this, you know, woke rainbow, you know, uh, mass idea that we have out there are pushing, pushing, pushing and i want to protect, uh , you know, want to protect, uh, you know, parental rights . and we see it parental rights. and we see it in the united states, especially in the united states, especially in school board meetings and parents coming and school boards teaching your children stuff. you don't want taught . um, you don't want taught. um, parents need to be in control of what their is, their children, not the state. >> is it? well that you don't want taught at a certain age or just generally you don't want it taught ? taught? >> no, it's not even a certain. it's well right now it's in school. i mean, that's really where you're losing it is in school, but it's parents have to be have to know that they're in charge. you know, you can go charge. if you know, you can go to a private school costs a lot of money to there, you're of money to go there, you're already paying. you're already paying. if you're paying taxes, you're, you know, you're already your school. already paying for your school. so pay taxes so now you got to pay your taxes and send kid to a private and send your kid to a private school them. what i school to educate them. what i would properly, um , and

would consider properly, um, and that's just not right. so we we're trying to protect it, but parental rights concerned because i'm a little old fashioned and i was married to a therapist who was for. >> gosh. yeah >> gosh. yeah >> and you survived. >> and you survived. >> are . well, she cost me 20 >> are. well, she cost me 20 million. so i'm not sure if i don't know if that's really survival, but she's a lot better off. >> right ? >> right? >> right? >> she was a great. is she happy? >>i happy? >> ihope happy? >> i hope she was. >> i hope she was. >> she was very happy. oh good. good good good. was very good good good. she was very keen on the freud's idea of what's known. the latency period. right. which is that a little tiny little kids are really quite sexual. and then it stops and they become very asexual for a time until puberty . right. and freud said if there are, um , subject to anything are, um, subject to anything sexual during that time, it tends to up set the whole apparatus. well see, that's exactly what we're fighting. >> i don't want the schools, as you say , during that stuff, you say, during that stuff, where they are kind of asexual . where they are kind of asexual. all um, let's say you have a

little, a little girl's kind of a tomboy, you know , in the old a tomboy, you know, in the old days, they could be a tomboy. it was kind cute. yeah. you know was kind of cute. yeah. you know , uh, little boy , um, or, uh, a little boy that's maybe more on the feminine side, you know? but it was cute . a nice kid on and on was cute. a nice kid on and on and on. and but today, what they're doing is in that period , they're doing is in that period, um, where, as you say, they're kind of asexual . they're trying kind of asexual. they're trying to themselves. you have to find themselves. you have schools coming in teaching this radical gender ideology to these kids a time when they kids at a time when they shouldn't really when they shouldn't be making sexual ideas. be that ideas. they shouldn't be that shouldn't even come up. let the kids i know, i raised ten children every six months. you had a different child . you know, had a different child. you know, one time it seems like , you one time it seems like, you know, this is the problem. and then six months later, it's a totally different problem. yeah. and kids change all the time. you don't want them , especially you don't want them, especially in time, make any in that time, to make any radical decisions their radical decisions about their life. i agree with that. or gender affirming care or of gender affirming care or any of that stuff . leave. have the that stuff. leave. have the state leave our children alone

for the very few you know? um that really suffer from , uh, that really suffer from, uh, gender dysphoria . yeah. um that gender dysphoria. yeah. um that has to really be handled on an individual basis, but it's not the state, it's the parents. it's got god, it's the doctor . it's got god, it's the doctor. for them to make the decisions , for them to make the decisions, uh, for their child. and not the state. the state should not even be teach reading, writing , be teach reading, writing, arithmetic. in our case, america in history teach that . don't in history teach that. don't teach all this other stuff .

i >> -- >> tell me, are there other aspects of woke that you have sympathy for? >> sympathy ? >> sympathy? >> sympathy? >> hmm. the fairness. >> sympathy? >> hmm. the fairness . send >> hmm. the fairness. send >> hmm. the fairness. send >> well , i'm

>> hmm. the fairness. send >> well, i'm for fairness . um. >> well, i'm for fairness. um. uh, number one, but i don't think . i just uh, number one, but i don't think. i just think the woke movement has just gone too far. yeah, okay, i can be fair and not be woke. >> yes , i agree, i can be >> yes, i agree, i can be a caring person and not be woke. >> you know , i care about >> you know, i care about people. that's why i do what i do. i feel like , uh, when i came do. i feel like, uh, when i came out 2015, it's been eight years. you know, at first i thought i could change the world, you know, i thought, wow , you know, know, i thought, wow, you know, because my last conversation that i had before i decided to do this was with god . i'm. that i had before i decided to do this was with god. i'm. i'm i don't go to church all the time, but i'm a person of faith, so that's always been in the back of my mind. like oh, god, why did you do this to me? i think anybody who has challenges in life and they have any faith in

their heart whatsoever , they their heart whatsoever, they ask, why did you do this to me? and here, my whole life, i've been dealing my identity been dealing with my identity and who i am and why. is there a reason for this? am i doing the right am and, um, you reason for this? am i doing the right when am and, um, you reason for this? am i doing the right when i am and, um, you reason for this? am i doing the right when i go m and, um, you reason for this? am i doing the right when i go upand, um, you reason for this? am i doing the right when i go up that um, you reason for this? am i doing the right when i go up that day,you reason for this? am i doing the right when i go up that day, you know, when i go up that day, you walk up the stairs into the pearly gates and god sitting there said, my god, i there and i said, my god, did i do good you you do a good job? you know, you want say so i've want him to say yes. and so i've been thinking about, um , all of been thinking about, um, all of that for so long that, um , my that for so long that, um, my last person i had to talk to and i was walking through a field. i remember and said, god, am i doing the right thing, know, doing the right thing, you know, is this ? and is there a reason for this? and i just the feeling that he i just got the feeling that he it was like, it's okay. you know, you can do this . you know, know, you can do this. you know, you can live your life authentically. i felt like he said, yes . and it was kind of said, yes. and it was kind of like the last thing i needed. and that's when, besides all my children, because i had talked to all children about this, to all my children about this, that know i was doing that i had to know i was doing the right thing and that me coming out , uh, could change and

coming out, uh, could change and save a lot of lives . um, i save a lot of lives. um, i that's what i was hoping would , that's what i was hoping would, especially at first. um that because obviously i couldn't do it privately . no, but just i was it privately. no, but just i was already a big time celebrity . already a big time celebrity. big time, you know, big time. uh, i was known all over the world. i thought about, why don't i just, like, move to alaska, to the backwoods , and alaska, to the backwoods, and live and live in a place? but i'd have to leave all my children . i'd have to leave all my children. i'd i'd have to leave all my children . i'd leave all the children. i'd leave all the things i just i couldn't things that i, i just i couldn't do way. so do it, do it that way. so if i do it, i just to try to do it right just have to try to do it right and do it with respect and do it with a dignified way, not only for myself and my family, but for myself and my family, but for general . i for trans people in general. i try to do it that way and it was a struggle. i mean, it was not. it was at first. um, you know, you're kind of riding on this little high and then, um, it just it gets harder and harder because my views being a republican, being conservative, being all, all of those types of

things, they're not on the normal side of what trans people are. they they're all are. you know, they they're all kind of wokester. >> bannau. so where do where >> bannau. so where do you where do flack from ? do you get the flack from? >> it from, uh, most >> oh, i get it from, uh, most of all from the trans of it's all from the trans community. it is. yeah. i've never had problem general. never had a problem in general. you know, there's the whole bathroom thing and this and i have not been in men's room in have not been in a men's room in eight years. yeah okay. uh, by the , the women's rooms are the way, the women's rooms are much nicer . much nicer. >> hahaha. >> hahaha. >> okay. yeah they don't have those urinals on the walls and smelly and all that. they got flowers in there, usually. nice music. the conversation is much better in the ladies room. i just want to tell you you're missing out. >> you brought up a few people who would know that. so yes , who would know that. so yes, yes. know what talking about? >> t- w- w what i'm talking >> yes, i know what i'm talking about on that one. but but uh. yeah. so i mean, i've lived my life, but and it's , um, i get a life, but and it's, um, i get a lot of flack from mostly trans people who don't like that . i'm people who don't like that. i'm a republican . i support a republican. i support president trump . um, he did

president trump. um, he did phenomenal things for our country in the four years he was there . um, unfortunately, he's there. um, unfortunately, he's not there right now. and we're paying not there right now. and we're paying the price with everything inflation, the border . we had inflation, the border. we had the most secure border in the world in the united states history. and now look at 15 million people are going to come across our border. we didn't even know the they are. across our border. we didn't eve|sureyw the they are. across our border. we didn't eve|sure you the they are. across our border. we didn't eve|sure you wouldn't they are. across our border. we didn't eve|sure you wouldn't lethey are. across our border. we didn't eve|sure you wouldn't let 15/ are. i'm sure you wouldn't let 15 million people across from million people come across from europe on the shores of the uk. and just let them in. who cares who they are? let them in. >> well, we could do that if we had somewhere else to go. yeah. >> yeah. right. yeah. so anyway, um , uh, because of that, i've um, uh, because of that, i've gotten a lot of flack because of a much more conservative, maybe a much more conservative, maybe a look trans a different look at the trans community. i know so many trans people that are just wonderful human beings , hard working, human beings, hard working, great. that's the majority. honestly that's the majority of trans people . it is this small trans people. it is this small percentage that are out there. so given given a microphone, but through social, they have so much effect on the people who

don't really like their policies. >> the other trans people, i feel like a lot of them are trying to become celebrities. >> they're trying to use their out to get out there, to get clicks, to be on tiktok or be here or be there. i didn't start off wanting to be a celebrity in this thing. i had no choice . this thing. i had no choice. okay? i was already very big celebrity. yeah, that was just trying to live their life authentically me. and in doing that, maybe i could help some people. okay um, honestly, in my family , i'm interested in the family, i'm interested in the fact that they don't really want to debate the subject because my views are different than theirs. >> they're i'm saying in general, they want in general, they don't want a debate or discuss it because for some reason they regard that as unnecessary. they just feel, yeah , well, they think it's yeah, well, they think it's their way of the highway. >> yeah, yeah. and i'd just like the other day in o'reilly gains , the other day in o'reilly gains, uh, she's the girl who's been talking states

talking in the united states a lot. she was the one who swam against, uh , uh, leah thomas against, uh, uh, leah thomas and, um , uh, she has been a big and, um, uh, she has been a big advocate of keeping trans women out of women's sports. and i'm a big supporter. she's a good friend , um, and has done friend, um, and has done wonderful work. but she was in san francisco a couple of months back giving a speech. the students there, and she had a bunch of trans people just literally come after her hitter as she said, uh, there was a guy in a dress and the other ones, and it was videotaped and you could hear them in the background. these trans women , background. these trans women, uh, yelling , you know, trans uh, yelling, you know, trans women are real women. and on and on and on making fools of themselves . okay um, on and on making fools of themselves. okay um, and on and on making fools of themselves . okay um, and that's themselves. okay um, and that's not good. it's horrible for the trans , for trans people in trans, for trans people in general . it's horrible. it makes general. it's horrible. it makes us look selfish. the leah thomas

of the world, trans girls swimming. it makes it's not good for trans people. it makes them look selfish , self—indulgent. look selfish, self—indulgent. it's like all about me. it's not about all these other girls i'm beating. i don't even play in my golf, in my clubs , women's golf, in my clubs, women's tournaments. they've asked me to play tournaments. they've asked me to play in the women's golf tournament. oh, yeah, but i can outdrive them by 100 yards. i haven't been on testosterone and in eight years and i can still hit the ball 280 yards. okay, i'm still long. i arms this and that. i'm still long. i arms this and that . so it's. but i'm still long. i arms this and that. so it's. but this is the way i look at myself . um . i see way i look at myself. um. i see these, you know, trans women are real women. no, you're not okay. that's the bottom line. this is the way i look at my life. my my, i have everything changed. birth certificate, gender marker. f okay. everything's changed. do diver's license. i'm a pilot. my pilot's license. you name every piece of everything

that's in my name is legally me. caitlyn. marie jenner. gender marker f okay, i, as i said earlier, i haven't used the men's room in a million years and probably never will and have never had a problem . i mean, i never had a problem. i mean, i go in there, i'm respectful of the other women that they're there. they certainly a lot of them know who are. go there. they certainly a lot of th yeah, yeah. >> and so, um , so i lived my >> and so, um, so i lived my life as a woman, but i'm not. i don't consider myself this. i, i am a woman now, and on and on. no no, i consider myself a trans person. yeah, that's who i am. >> and what i'm interested in. you say. i mean, when you say, you know, we we're women, we argue about the definition of words , right? and that's always

words, right? and that's always completely pointless. yes. because there's no way you can prove one or another. it's just how people use words. so it seems to me what matters, because after all, all through history, there were men who were more female and there were women who were more male. they they it only comes down to certain things like sports is a key one and bathrooms is bathrooms one. and maybe there's1 and bathrooms is bathrooms one. and maybe there's 1 or 2 others. other wise. what is the fuss about provided we are kind and pleasant and tolerant? >> right back to kindness, baby . >> right back to kindness, baby. yeah, kindness works all the time. yeah yeah, kindness works all the time . all the time. >> um, and they don't seem very kindly . i mean, there's a of kindly. i mean, there's a lot of trans people are not very kind, and of woke people and there's a lot of woke people that kind , you know, that aren't very kind, you know, so religious , you know, so many religious, you know, some people from a religious standpoint, they say you're you're a man or a woman and that's it. >> and there's nothing in between. okay well, being gendered dysphoric has been around throughout humanity. yes.

this is nothing new, nothing new. nobody ever talked about it before. they keep their mouths shut they through life, shut and they go through life, you ? um, and so, you know, you know? um, and so, you know, that's what i'm trying to have a certain openness and acceptance of it. >> yeah. i mean, there are always who would always horrible people who would be against are . be prejudiced against there are. >> and you know what? i'll just wake up in the morning and i'd just day and just be myself all day and that's it. i mean, ijust just be myself all day and that's it. i mean, i just be myself . this that's it. i mean, i just be myself. this is me. okay >> i like that. yeah >> i like that. yeah >> caitlyn, it was a pleasure. thank you. it was nice talking to you. good fun. yes, it was fun. >> and thanks for coming. >> and thanks for coming. >> my pleasure

i >> -- >> next time on the dinosaur. ah i think historically, jesus's miracles were probably the most significant thing about him. >> it's the miracles that draw the crowds in hinduism , you have the crowds in hinduism, you have a number of gods. >> can you explain that to me? >> can you explain that to me? >> yes . i spent >> can you explain that to me? >> yes. i spent most of my career , john, trying to disprove career, john, trying to disprove that. oh really? yes excellent. i can't think of any more questions. >> kate, you've got any suggestions? >> well, why don't we stop talking and have a little bit of meditation to finish off? >> sure, you can think of religions as a sort of the human response or expression or . or or response or expression or. or or the human attempt to reach a certain set of answers about questions of fundamental concern. >> and that might be a god , it >> and that might be a god, it might be jesus, it might be bnan might be jesus, it might be brian it or it might be brian's gourd, or it might be brian's

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