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well . i thought we were getting well. i thought we were getting hugh laurie second best. oh, well , stephen, hugh laurie second best. oh, well, stephen, um . fright well, stephen, um. fright stephen. it is lovely to have you here, you silly man. it's lovely to be had here. if i may say. i want to know about cricket, because you've just become president of the mcc . and become president of the mcc. and he has just shown me this tie. show. the tie? yes. and he claims it's an mcc tie. zoom in to that little symbol there. >> it's the device that says mcc marylebone cricket club. isn't that 1200in roman numerals? yes.

>> i mean, you have to be a member to get that. >> yes. you buy it from the members shop at lord's. >> so tell me about cricket because it's all changed. ageing andifs because it's all changed. ageing and it's a beautiful, beautiful game. the only still the game. it's the only still the only game that is very like the one i used to watch in western supermarine clarence park in 1948. >> well , that's because we are >> well, that's because we are guardians of the law. the laws of cricket, the mcc , other games of cricket, the mcc, other games have rules cricket has laws. but each tournament will have its regulations , like where the regulations, like where the fielders can be, how far from the bat and so on. but there are laws of cricket which are the same in on a beach in west indies or in a slum in mumbai with stickball or in a village in england, or in weston super mare. those are the laws of cricket. i mean , yes, it is the cricket. i mean, yes, it is the same game , but it's like a lot same game, but it's like a lot of british institutions. it's it sent its footprint abroad . sent its footprint abroad. footprint abroad. yes. and has been reinterpreted and often improved upon or at least

enhanced in different ways. >> very proud. the other day when afghanistan be beat, sri lanka , i thought this is an lanka, i thought this is an incredible the reach that this andifs incredible the reach that this and it's getting wider and wider. >> yeah. it's the second most popular sport in the world by quite a long way. obviously one is football is the first. yeah um, and a lot of that is to do with the fact that it's so . with the fact that it's so. well, it's the third religion in india. yeah they call it the third religion. yeah, absolutely crazy about it. and obviously in india is about to overtake china as the country with the largest population in the world. so that kind of skews the statistics a bit. but it's the most popular sport in nepal. um, and i'm a patron of the mcc foundation, and our aim is to spread cricket around the world as much as possible. are you going to get into south america? yes that is yeah, that's our next thing. it's not really there. i mean, there's a bit in guyana, of course, we had mark ramprakash and others and, and who have,

you know, sort of , uh, ancestors you know, sort of, uh, ancestors from there. and guyana provides the west indies with cricketers because it's a caribbean true . because it's a caribbean true. but yeah, we want to if you can find a flat bit, um, and uh, but it's um. yeah. rwanda, kenya . it's um. yeah. rwanda, kenya. um, recently the foundation went to the lebanon and, uh, taught syrian refugees who were penned up in camps with nothing to do at all, but turned to kind of crime and misery and upset and to teach the girls and boys in particular is fantastic , because particular is fantastic, because a lot of these countries are countries in which girls have low expectations of their lives . low expectations of their lives. um, as far as education, property rights and so on are concerned . and if you can get concerned. and if you can get girls and boys playing cricket together, it's absolutely wonderful. there comes an age when separate out into a when they'll separate out into a girls boy and a boys team. but when they're young, it helps the boys respect and like girls boys respect and like the girls spreading into middle east. spreading into the middle east. yes, and suppose we can yes, it is. and i suppose we can also talk of the terrorism

middle east. we're speaking on a day , uh, who knows what's going day, uh, who knows what's going to happen when this actually is broadcast. but speaking on broadcast. but we're speaking on a they announced this a day when they announced this to me. diabolical news about golf, which is a game i love as well. and the saudi arabian influence in it. um, it's all money. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so because this is a free speech haven , i can talk about speech haven, i can talk about the facts behind this with because there's it's the only, the strongest words will do sometimes the hypocrisy i know worse one. woi'se one. >> worse one. >> but i will tell you i. >> but i will tell you i. >> i'd love to hear it. no um, i'll write it up. i've got it out of my system now. that's the main thing. but no, it does upset me. you know. and, um, the, uh, the history of what saudi arabia has done in the last 5 or 6 years. and now to be i know it's a cliche word , but i know it's a cliche word, but sportswashing is essentially it. yeah. and the chances are, by the time you're watching this, that lionel messi will be playing for saudi arabia as well

as cristiano ronaldo and others. >> um, it's amazing what money will do. is it? i mean, when you think that london was the number one centre for the laundering of russian dirty money, i mean, i didn't make me feel proud. >> no , they called it boris stan >> no, they called it boris stan for a time, i didn't know. yeah when none of us entirely . we when none of us entirely. we wide eyed and naive about the world. we know that the world. and it has always been the case that money talks and at everybody has a price to some extent. do you know what napoleon said? >> no. go on, he said the surprising thing is not that every man has his price. >> i know it is. >> yes, yes, i would have said the same. how low it is. i think that's hilarious. i've always thought the greatest power of human being can have in negotiations, whether it's as an actor, in, like in a film as actor, as in, like in a film as minor as that, or in a huge boardroom way , way, the greatest boardroom way, way, the greatest power you can have is the power to walk away. >> just be able to say,

>> yeah. just to be able to say, no, not for me, and go. no, that's not for me, and go. but know some people in but i know some people in business who that the business who will say that the first thing you sense when you sit a say , about sit round a table, say, about the sale of a company or the, you know, the going public, you know, the share offering is you instantly know the greedy ones and they're the ones you want to have nothing to do with, who are in it to make money. and it you know, i am, in that sense, very naive in the in the early , uh, naive in the in the early, uh, early 90s, late 80s, when i was aware that the internet was going to happen and i became very excited by it. and through the 90s, i became very excited by it. and we had lots of meetings with people who had ideas and the really good ones wanted to make something extraordinary , you know, like an extraordinary, you know, like an artist or a craftsman, like someone who just wanted to make a better pair of shoes or something, make a better table, just the pleasure, the fun, the fulfilment of it. and then you started to notice because as the

internet caught fire, that people were in it to make money, that the first thing they wanted to do was to build a service or a piece of software that they could immediately sell to you know, bill gates or to somebody else. and then it got worse. it got it got so worse. yeah there's a word. and this is in a sense what saudi arabia is doing with sport. it's the darkest word of our era, i think is the word of our era, i think is the word disruption . it's a sound word disruption. it's a sound simple. it'sjust word disruption. it's a sound simple. it's just the latin for break, break, break down, break up, break into pieces to disrupt. like you interrupt. you break into someone's conversation. yeah and, you know, get a rupture . it's know, get a rupture. it's a break and so on. so so in two thousand and seven, when , when thousand and seven, when, when facebook was beginning to take off, mark zuckerberg famously said that the motto of facebook is move fast and break things.

and this was considered a heroic new stance. these young people were coming in, they were breaking up the way the world was and they were making huge sums of money out of it. they were inventing new ideas, and they were sweeping away everything from the past . and so everything from the past. and so you disrupt the bread and breakfast space. yeah. with airbnb, you disrupt it. the car hire and taxi services. yeah. with uber, you disrupt, you disrupt and you disrupt. and we're now living in a broken world because things have been disrupted and they've not been replaced with anything like. and they've been disrupted by people who just, just want to be very , who just, just want to be very, very rich. >> yes. and not to do one thing superbly well . superbly well. >> and the betrayal to me, the betrayal, the hypocrisy, whatever your word is that somehow how we believed in the 90s and early 2000 that these guysin 90s and early 2000 that these

guys in jeans and t shirts were , guys in jeans and t shirts were, were just kind of, you guys in jeans and t shirts were, were just kind of , you know, gen were just kind of, you know, gen paul sweet people who wanted the world to be better. yeah. and we now know that in orwell's magnificent image, the pigs are now wearing trousers. >> you know , you know, the end >> you know, you know, the end of animal farm. >> they look through and they see the pig. yes. and it's all come round and you realise these are worse in terms of their fierce , uh, greedy . um, but can fierce, uh, greedy. um, but can you have you ever understood why , why people want to be so rich? >> we all want to be able to have a better bottle of wine, or we all want to have a nice car or maybe a slightly bigger house. but i think the point of being very rich is to be able to tell people that you are very rich. >> essentially, i think it is a display very it's very fashionable these days to look

into genetics and ancestry and to picture our ancestor otters in a cave or in a field or, you know, hunting and gathering. and we know that some, some, some part of being human is , is part of being human is, is acquisition is territory acquisition. and whether it's land building a castle like this as a display as well as a defence and money is a defence as well as display. it protects you from everything in the world as a castle. >> why such huge sums of it? i don't know, i suppose when you get a huge sum competitive with each other, that's the point. >> i was going to say. you join a sort of club in which, uh, you know, people in the suburbs might say they've got a better lawnmower than i have. i'm going to have to upgrade my lawnmower. i'm going to have to upgrade my strimmer and all sort of strimmer and all the sort of suburban things keeping up with the joneses, as we call it. it's a very we've talked about that all our lives. we know it as a

phenomenon, but you scale it up, you simply scale it up. and we know is true. mean, i can know this is true. i mean, i can still picture the moment when i was nine and i found an old macintosh, an old raincoat . macintosh, an old raincoat. people used to wear them. yeah and it had a ten shilling note in it . and the joy , the absolute in it. and the joy, the absolute joy - in it. and the joy, the absolute joy . yeah. now, what you can't joy. yeah. now, what you can't do is scale that joy up. if i then found £100,000 in a coat, i would be astonished. >> yeah, i would go, wow , but i >> yeah, i would go, wow, but i wouldn't be. >> um, well, ten shillings is, you know, half a pound, so i wouldn't be 200,000 times happier than when i found that £10 note. >> but people think it's more is better . better. >> they do. >> they do. >> i mean, alcoholics think more is better. yeah, yeah, but but there are many aspects of humanity where we are bound , if humanity where we are bound, if we're honest, to inspect ourselves , to say, i get that. ourselves, to say, i get that. >> i feel like that. but also i don't feel like that. i've

always been very lucky with alcohol. for example, i do like alcohol. for example, i do like a drink, i like wine, but i know i could never be an alcoholic. i just don't like it enough. i don't like feeling sick. i don't like cope with the like having to cope with the responsibility of apologising. the next day . if i've been the next day. if i've been drunk, i don't like the fact that i might get a bit argumentative. and so i just, you know, could never be an alcoholic, but could lots alcoholic, but i could be lots of things do of other things that i do recognise faults in. and similarly with money, i mean, i like having enough money. i'll be honest, to turn left on an aeroplane. i think it's the most i still get excited by it. i still think, oh my goodness, i'm going first class and i love it. i mean, i just love it and it's a disgrace and i know i shouldn't and i try and do these awful word carbon offsetting and use the key word enough, enough. exactly. a sense of enough . exactly. a sense of enough. >> so these very rich people have no sense of enough life. yeah, yeah . can you do you yeah, yeah. can you do you understand it? i mean, it's an illness, isn't it? it is an illness. >> and i, i wrote a sort of

autobiography about myself which tried to address my propensity to overdo things myself, but not not in money terms, but i noficed not in money terms, but i noticed that from the i was the same. i was what we you know, it's awful generational wars. you know, you say baby boomer and millennial and i just want to throw up when i hear all this. >> i'm sort of white imperialist. what exactly? i mean, it just seems so weird. >> but anyway, i am a baby boomer, and the technical sense. and so i was born in the same year as sugar puffs, the cereal. right so i should never forget that i was of a generation for whom television advertising was first directed towards me when i was young to eat sugar puffs and ricicles and frosty peas and sugary things and i went to a school which had a tuck shop. you know, a boarding school and there were things like sherbet fountains with sherbet in it

that white powder that you you , that white powder that you you, you sucked in through a liquorice straw and, um , and liquorice straw and, um, and they even extraordinarily had spanish galleon rolling tobacco, which was coconut shreds. but it was done exactly like a rolling a tobacco packet that you would see. you'd see grown ups using and you would have a pipe made of liquorice, and you would have cigarettes with red tips on the end, which were candy cigarettes. do you remember all these ? well, you probably these sweets? well, you probably a older. didn't a generation older. you didn't have there was a but have quite. no, there was a but they were so were being they were so you were being prepared cocaine and tobacco prepared for cocaine and tobacco essentially , you were given essentially, you were given white powder and tobacco, and i never could eat enough of that. and i would break out of school bounds and go to the village shop and buy all the fruit salads and black jacks and foamy shrimps and little rice paper flying saucers . and i stuffed flying saucers. and i stuffed myself. i couldn't eat them, and i got teeth missing here because of it. and then when i was a teenager, there was still. so i,

i had this empty hole in me, this vast , i had this empty hole in me, this vast, vast, empty hole i had this empty hole in me, this vast , vast, empty hole that this vast, vast, empty hole that said, feed me . i need this sugar said, feed me. i need this sugar , i said, feed me. i need this sugar ,i need said, feed me. i need this sugar , i need it. and then when it wasn't sugar, it became tobacco. and i smoked. and then in my 20s, it became cocaine . it 20s, it became cocaine. it became that i just and i couldn't sit still without going, ha i you know, and it's going, ha! you know, and it's that addictive impulse that many people , many people watching people, many people watching will know what i mean. i and many people won't, because this is the important thing to remember. as i say, not everybody has this, and it's a kind of addictive gene. and i guess the money people have it for this hole in for money. there's this hole in them. they have acquire and them. they have to acquire and they have to own, and don't they have to own, and they don't know to fill no, know how to fill it. no, no, they think if i had another 500 million, i'd be happier. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> well, this is it. one of the things you know a lot about you know, psychotherapy and things like that. and one of the things always madden me about self—help books and books on debt is, is

the ones that start off with goal orientation and set yourself goals. and i think it's the most dangerous and despicable, inimical thing imaginable because i don't know a human being who , when they a human being who, when they reaches a goal, they've set themselves , isn't dissatisfied, themselves, isn't dissatisfied, absolutely always an anti—climax. >> and you have to, you know, it's, uh, so many of the nobel prize get very depressed prize winners get very depressed when they win the nobel prize. >> i can imagine exactly . >> i can imagine exactly. >> i can imagine exactly. >> because. because what do they do next? yeah and apparently the great players always get great chess players always get very depressed their huge very depressed after their huge energy . energy. >> so it's like these guys here, they can see there they are. they're getting to the end of their game though i can see. yes. >> one of them's got two queens. yeah .

>> the dinosaur are with me. john cleese on gb news is . is john cleese on gb news is. is there any way we could say , um, there any way we could say, um, you've got enough now ?

you've got enough now? >> oh, well, it's going to be very interesting because, um , very interesting because, um, we're for the past few hundred years, all of us have used to the idea that we fulfil ourselves by by work. yeah if we're lucky. it's good work that does fulfil us. but that's not going to be true for very long. and it isn't something that was true in the past . the work was true in the past. the work was not a normal thing to do. >> you said to an 18th >> if you said to an 18th century aristocrat , well, an century aristocrat, well, an aristocrat certainly that's true. but you know what i mean. they would have thought you were mad. >> yeah. and i suppose one has to. i'm talking about before the agricultural revolution, which is not very long ago, in terms of the length of our existence as species, as viable as a species, as a viable species, we could go back in time before the agricultural revolution and shag someone from that era, and we would have babies. you know, we are the same species. yeah. and then we didn't work. this idea of work, agriculture thing meant we had to stay in one place, and

suddenly peasants became, you know, subject to the people on horseback and, and, and class and hierarchy was established. but but it's coming again because of artificial intelligence. there will be much less need to work. and there's always this problem. i've been i've been thinking about artificial intelligence since the 80s, because i used to get very excited by this man, marvin minsky, who was the often called the father of ai . and i used to the father of ai. and i used to read his essays and books and things and, um, his forecasts have proved very. no, no, they haven't . um, but his analysis of haven't. um, but his analysis of what intelligence is and what it might be, i think was interesting. and one of my heroes, richard feynman , who i'm heroes, richard feynman, who i'm sure you know, the great physicist and, um , uh, he made a physicist and, um, uh, he made a terribly good point about when someone asked him whether artificial intelligence would come and whether machines would think like us, and he said, no, they won't think like us. they will never think like us. when

we make machines, we make them to do we do, not to do things we don't do, not things do. so for things we already do. so for example, we run on. but when example, we can run on. but when we make a bicycle , we make we make a bicycle, we make something that is totally different, that goes a bit faster. actually but it can't. i mean, a perfect example is a cheetah that's the fastest land animal. it goes around 70 miles animal. it goes around 70 miles an hour or something, isn't it? um, well, we can't begin and we wouldn't even think of trying to imitate. make a machine like a cheetah. it would ridiculous. cheetah. it would be ridiculous. so invent a wheel, so instead, we invent a wheel, and eventually engine and then eventually an engine that can push wheels and that can push the wheels and it's nothing like a cheetah, but it's nothing like a cheetah, but it can go faster than a cheetah. so it's our version. and similarly with intelligence, we won't imitate human won't try and imitate human intelligence. will find , as intelligence. we will find, as we are beginning to do, we will find ways of assembling and sorting data, which isn't really intelligence, but it produces results that are way beyond us. just as a car produces results way beyond a cheetah . but it's way beyond a cheetah. but it's in a different sort of achievement. but it will. i

mean, i think governments are beginning to get wise to this. um uh, the ubi, the, the universal basic income is the thing that , uh, we're trying out thing that, uh, we're trying out in this country now in two regions in finland, they've tried it out in the whole country, essentially the, the money that artificial saves in terms of labour costs , white terms of labour costs, white collar labour costs as much as blue. um, that, that money goes into giving everybody an income. yeah. so they don't have to work and then how did it work in finland? >> i think it worked. >> i think it worked. >> well. finland is still the happiest country on earth. yeah. so it can't have too much harm. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> um, i mean, it's, it will like anything. it will change and develop and, um, but, you know , the cynics say i did know, the cynics say i did a lecture on, uh, ai about seven years ago at hay on wye , and i years ago at hay on wye, and i talked about the possibility of a universal basic income and

things like that. and a lot of people asked the question, so are you saying that we've all got to become poets and potters and and artists and and painters and artists and i said, well, no. although that would be quite pleasing. it obviously isn't particularly viable. who's going to buy the wretched stuff that we make? but we do have to think about what people will do. we have this sense that there is idleness and that idleness is a terrible thing, but actually , if you read thing, but actually, if you read bertrand russell's famous essay on idleness, which i'm sure you know, maybe, maybe it's a very, a very wonderful thing and we'll yield enormous fruit. >> wonderful, yield enormous fruit. >> wonderful , wonderfully >> wonderful, wonderfully liberating thing for everyone. yes. once they get used to the fact that they have to find out what they're interested in. yeah. when i first went to america to i was fascinated by how important work was, and i came back after about a year and a half, and i remember getting on a tube with the evening standard and there was a piece

in it by a j. ere. yeah, one of the great philosophers. >> yes. logical positivist. >> yes. the logical positivist. >> yes. the logical positivist. >> remember that. what >> i still remember that. what he was saying was that the first people went off to america, people who went off to america, new england, were the puritans. and they sort of sat down and when they sort of sat down and said , well, what could we and said, well, what could we do? he said, well, shall we have a dance ? no, we can't do that. a dance? no, we can't do that. no theatre. and what else could we do? we played cards. no that's not allowed. so in the end, the only thing they could really do was work . and i still really do was work. and i still see a very strong puritan streak in america. yeah, hugely between good and bad. i mean, i don't like smoking and i'd rather it didn't , but the savagery with didn't, but the savagery with which the non—smokers will persecute the smokers is just stupid. yeah so what is there anything there in that? what were we talking about with work? i mean, in fact, can't we just play i mean, in fact, can't we just play cricket or read books and it would be wonderful the trouble is, i personally have

been poisoned by the work ethic in that i am addicted to it. >> i have above my desk, um, a quotation from noel coward, which is work is more fun than fun and i've been very lucky to find that. so i and if i have a day off because you're doing something that is enjoyable, it really enjoyable . really enjoyable. >> i mean, there's two, three types of work. there's work you hate. yeah. and then there's work you love and then there's work you love and then there's work where you like bits and don't like other bits. and so you try to do as much of the things you like and as little of the things you don't like, but it's all like but if you it's all like that. but if you love why you love your work, why would you want you want to stop? exactly. if you can. presumably the new problem is, well, what do you what do you count as work? >> exactly what i count as work. other wouldn't. a lot other people wouldn't. a lot of people say how fabulous people would say how fabulous that to retire, that i'm going to retire, or how fabulous working. fabulous i'm no longer working. i garden. i would i'd rather i can garden. i would i'd rather eat my own legs than than dig and fork and be a monty don . but

and fork and be a monty don. but he obviously enjoys it. and lots of people do. and they wouldn't like doing the things i do, you know. right and things as you know, writing is agony . i mean, know, writing is agony. i mean, absolute agony. >> i feel sorry for the businessman because they really are motivated by money. now, when you give them all the money that they could have earned if they'd worked hard, they're going in a terrible going to be in a terrible position . position. >> you talk about agi is very interesting because in philosophy he he and his fellow vienna school, you know, the scientists , um, types basically scientists, um, types basically felt that ethics as a branch of philosophy had died. it was no longer a particularly interesting. it was your teacher interesting. it was your teacher in universities, you know, and things, you know, but then technology , bio biotechnology, technology, bio biotechnology, as well as, um, the internet and other things have meant now that people can leave university with a master's or a doctorate in ethics, and they'll get a six

figure opening salary at big corporations, because ethics is at the heart of the problems that we're talking about . how do that we're talking about. how do you decide what is and ethical, artificial intelligence? how do you decide what is an ethical way to lay people off work and to keep them happy? >> operations are studying this really seriously. >> they're trying to i mean, there a wave of firing there has been a wave of firing in silicon valley lately, and some ethicists have gone. but i remember seeing a berkeley university. see, you have to say that we see the pronunciation. yes. berkeley >> uh, you know what a graduate is called? >> a berkeley is probably. but there was a philosophic quarterly from berkeley magazine , and it just said at the top philosophy no longerjust a stylish route to poverty . stylish route to poverty. question mark suddenly it was becoming the hottest discipline in universities philosophy. and it is exciting because there is so much to think about, and all

of us are free to do that. >> are the, um, bill gates's thinking about he does. he does metaphor , man, i think, isn't metaphor, man, i think, isn't he? >> um, but the ones who really spend all this money trying to get into space on their own rockets, well, they they follow a branch of philosophy that is not very academically fashionable or or admired, which is objectivism , which is the is objectivism, which is the philosophy of ayn rand, you know. oh that the sort of libertarian philosophy of the fountain head and atlas shrugged, which are more popular now than in her own time ? peter now than in her own time? peter thiel, for example, who's a very powerful investor in all kinds of things . he's a great admirer of things. he's a great admirer of things. he's a great admirer of ayn rand . and there's a new of ayn rand. and there's a new philosophy called long termism, which sounds rather admirable. we've always thought thing we've always thought bad thing about is it's so short about politics is it's so short termism this a totally termism. but this is a totally different thing . this regards different thing. this regards the humanity in the future of humanity in hundreds, if not thousands of years, is the most important thing we can think about. and a few, well, that's a few

pandemics. and, uh , a diseases pandemics. and, uh, a diseases and climate change are pinpricks in, in the long history. after all, the ice age wiped us most of us out. but but it gave a small cadre of survivors of humans the chance to become our ancestors. and they think very hard about that. and there's , hard about that. and there's, you know, there's a lot of paranoid fear that that's why, you know, musk and bezos and people are wanting to go to mars or it they know the earth is or is it they know the earth is absolutely doomed because the, the image i have is we are children playing on the beach. yes. making sandcastles with our back to the sea and on the sea. various currents are combining. they are , for example, they are, for example, bioaugmentation on brain machine interface , which is something interface, which is something elon musk is doing where you interface with a computer and a computer with you. so it reads your thoughts and you can control your mind if you control it with your mind if you like. robotics itself , quantum

like. robotics itself, quantum computing and artificial intelligence of different kinds is, um, new materials , nano is, um, new materials, nano nanomaterials. and so on. all of these technologies , which are these technologies, which are transformative on their own, not to mention genomics and gene editing , are to mention genomics and gene editing, are like to mention genomics and gene editing , are like separate editing, are like separate swells in the ocean that are combining to make a gigantic tsunami. and as i say , we are tsunami. and as i say, we are playing on the beach. wonder about little things. you know , about little things. you know, like this particular strike or whether what names we call ourselves, what our identities are. there are these tiny little issues that we are obsessed. >> what's the tsunami? >> what's the tsunami? >> the tsunami is the combination, the confluence of all these technologies, all all changing each other. >> so you mean life will be transformed in a way we can't begin to guess at? yes all right. let me ask you this question. yeah. there are a lot of social media is just awful. people are being unbelievably nasty to people . if you post

nasty to people. if you post something on social media, show me. it would be very . easy to me. it would be very. easy to have an identification on that post, which would tell you who'd posted it , post, which would tell you who'd posted it, which would shame people all into posting a lot of the nastiest stuff. yes why don't they do it? >> um, well , don't they do it? >> um, well, in don't they do it? >> um, well , in the don't they do it? >> um, well, in the case of twitter, you know, musk is a libertarian free speech absolutist. he calls himself, and i think he would regard any regulation which enforced something like that , a denial of something like that, a denial of anonymity and the right to anonymity, a denial of anonymity. i agree with you . anonymity. i agree with you. >> you're not forcing it on people. what you're saying is, if you want to post something, you have to tell people who you are. >> i think it's a mixture of, uh, genuine sense that they want it to be a free space where people can comment without being got at, for example, because the problem is, you know, you might

you might express a view . yeah. you might express a view. yeah. in some of the hot button issues of today, you might express a view on gender and something like that , and you will get shut like that, and you will get shut upon on both sides. doesn't matter which side. >> uh, but that's the problem about expressing a view anyway . about expressing a view anyway. >> well, it is, it is. and so anonymity gives a sort of confidence to some. but the confidence to some. but the confidence to some. but the confidence to terrible people, as we know it's a disaster. and i'm of course, i put things on twitter as you do. >> i used to you don't anymore. no, no , i'm afraid once mr musk no, no, i'm afraid once mr musk got there, i just felt, no, i know, and this is why you mustn't believe anything i say about the future. >> because i believed when in two thousand and seven, when i joined twitter and it was just starting, i believe that it would melt away boundaries and divisions and the old problems and that we would all be brothers and sisters . brothers and sisters. >> the problem with technology is there are always good people who use it for good reasons, and then there are rather bad people who use it for bad reasons. yes

and that's true of everything that's ever been invented. >> i look at the gutenberg first printing press, and you look at it that is capable of printing the john keats or mein the poems of john keats or mein kampf. it doesn't know any different. no there's mein kampf has every every invention has a good and a bad. >> yes. it has no beginning. everyone was so excited about it. they only see the positive. >> that's right. the technology itself has no i think the technical terms would be no moral valency. you know

i >> -- >> uh, artificial intelligence is always seemed to me the great problem in science is that if you can't measure something, you think it can't be scientific science is about measuring things , right? and sometimes things, right? and sometimes they invent things like behaviour ism, which is all about the business of being able

. yeah, right. to measure things and not about anything else of any interesting at all. right. but almost everything that goes on in here is very, very hard to measure. >> yes, it is very hard to quantify. >> and since human beings robbed of their emotions by an accident, an able to cope despite the fact they're completely logical, still , completely logical, still, because they don't have emotions , helping them to make a decision how does that apply to i don't we wouldn't if it's going to really take over , going to really take over, wouldn't we have to give it an emotional range to motivate it, which we have no chance of giving it? >> well, again, i would return to that point of feynman's that we would do something that was like equivalent of what we like an equivalent of what we have has been brilliantly have now has been brilliantly described by critics as not intelligent or anything remote like intelligence, a stochastic parrot, right, is the phrase

thatis parrot, right, is the phrase that is used of the kind of chat gpt four and these kinds of things that have become very popular. they are essentially probabilistic. guess at what the next thought should be based on its ability to access a vast corpus of data, which depends on there being such a thing as the internet that has this data electronically available. all of the speed of light . yeah. the speed of light. yeah. >> and it is the next step. >> and so it is the next step. >> and so it is the next step. >> artificial general intelligence, as it's known, would would that require sentience , a sense of self sentience, a sense of self consciousness. would, would the system be aware that it was a system? of course, at the moment it , it parrots that it's aware. it, it parrots that it's aware. icannot it, it parrots that it's aware. i cannot answer that question because i am just a large language model . it says when you language model. it says when you ask it something , you know, ask it something, you know, delicate. this is when people are worried about what's called the singularity, when it suddenly becomes aware of itself, and whether this would give actual emotion in the give it an actual emotion in the way that our brains have emotions or an electronic

equivalent, that's to say, a sort of need of some kind, a need to do something or a need to, um, make itself something that it isn't because in a sense, that's the human, not even an animal thing. i mean, you look at these lovely animals and what one of the things we love about animals, i think, is that they don't wake up in the morning terrible about morning feeling terrible about yesterday they let yesterday and how they let themselves you themselves down. you know, a tree frog spends 100% of its time being a tree frog. it's a human spends living in the present. >> yes, they're living in. my daughter's just acquired a completely blind dog and a friend with it. yeah, and it's ecstatically happy now . and it's ecstatically happy now. and it's wonderful because it doesn't wake up in the morning thinking, i wish i wake up in the morning thinking, iwish i had wake up in the morning thinking, i wish i had a couple of hours or i wish i was a cat, you know, i mean, we as humans, we wish to be other things all the time. >> are just so dissatisfied >> we are just so dissatisfied with ourselves , us so much. with ourselves, us so much. >> things do . and i >> these things they do. and i think value pets is that think the value of pets is that they into the present ,

they bring us into the present, that we're stroking a cat that when we're stroking a cat or playing with a dog, we're totally in the present, which is where happiness lies. >> is absolutely right. >> it is it is absolutely right. >> it is it is absolutely right. >> thinking of a damasio. do >> i'm thinking of a damasio. do you remember damaso? antonio damasio's book about the guy who'd had his, uh, who had a perfectly logical brain ? that's perfectly logical brain? that's right. but he couldn't make any decisions because his emotional intelligence had been rendered him . so i'm saying if it's going him. so i'm saying if it's going to if they're going to take over the world for us, they have to develop emotional develop an emotional intelligence which tell intelligence which will tell them to that . well, no, them how to do that. well, no, no, no , i think that's like no, no, i think that's like saying a car has to develop legs if it's going to be like a cheetah. >> the point is, it won't be ever but it will ever like a cheetah, but it will go faster. but it's style of go faster. but it's its style of going forward is not legs, but and similarly a computer style of sentience or wouldn't need to imitate a human one. just as a car doesn't need to imitate a cheetah, or indeed a human, you don't. and a robot won't won't be a walking android type thing

unless we want that for fun. but you know, that's not the way it needs to be. sometimes you imitate nature , of course, and imitate nature, of course, and people to love imitate geckos for sticking things all the rest of it in nature. um uh, obviously he's had millions of years to practice and fail and practice and fail and practice and fail. >> but the basic rule of computers, right? or is computers, am i right? or is this fashioned shut in, shut this old fashioned shut in, shut out? >> yes . go. out? >> yes. go. garbage in. garbage out was the polite way of putting it. >> how can they go beyond what we put in them? >> well, they look elsewhere. that's one of the things the internet done, is that we internet has done, is that we don't put anything into that. it goes out looks we goes out and looks for it. we tell it look , oh, i see its tell it to look, oh, i see its organs are to look. it scans the world of data and not to look for anything in particular. no, exactly. not to look for anything particular. i mean, at the moment you have to remember that you're looking now that what you're looking at now is, chatgpt gpt four, is, let's say chatgpt gpt four, which is the sort of publicly available second version of the openai bot, as they like to call

it, that is like looking at karl benz car in 1895, jolly impressive. look at that poop, poop impressive. look at that poop, poop , poop. it can go ten miles poop, poop. it can go ten miles an hour. it's amazing what it will be next year and the year after. and in ten years time , after. and in ten years time, look at what the motor car became. look at how it transformed everything about our lives and our cities and our countries. lives and our cities and our cou because people lives and our cities and our coubecause people inventing >> because the people inventing it, a lot of people who motivate to make them better and also you have to remember an enormous number of people who loved their horses , looked at said, horses, looked at it and said, it's pathetic . it's pathetic. >> it'll never catch on. it's been said, i mean, i remember when i first heard, i get when i first heard, no, i get all that. >> and then there's a human. if you if the cars are improving , you if the cars are improving, it's because there's some human who wants to make them better. yes so i'm aware. does that emotion i want to do this for some reason come from if he can't make a decision, if our emotional faculties are not

tasked to make itself better, it's tasked. >> it's tasked to make itself better. yeah. even the ones we have now, things like chess. >> there's no element of the human mind there in chess. so you can always come up with a computer that will beat a man eventually. yes because its memory is better. and it can play memory is better. and it can play all these games and find out what works. what doesn't work. so you got that? yes. work. yes. so you got that? yes. but when you're dealing with things with us, an element of the human emotion involved in order to create a decision, the point is it's artifice , general intelligence. >> we're not making human intelligence in a machine . we intelligence in a machine. we are making artificial intelligence . intelligence. >> no, but i'm asking, is it limited? is it limited in what it what can achieve? because it can't decide to do something because it wants to? >> yes . probably because it wants to? >> yes. probably limited in that it will probably. we hope that it will probably. we hope that it will probably. we hope that it will remain something that takes instruction. we hope so, yeah. that it won't say i want

to paint a ceiling and it then produces something better than the sistine chapel , because i the sistine chapel, because i have a need to do it . the sistine chapel, because i have a need to do it. but but given the exponential way, it will improve, improve itself if write code to improve itself and continue to improve . i continue to improve. i understand, given that it's very hard to make a stable and safe prediction question. >> yeah, cricket . yes. >> yeah, cricket. yes. >> yeah, cricket. yes. >> actor cricket. there you are. what? >> what was the point of the hundred? we've got 20 overs, which is . 120 balls. now which is. 120 balls. now somebody says no, we'd be better if we only had 100 balls. do we got to go slowly down until the match has been pared down to about 30 balls for each innings , about 30 balls for each innings, right? yeah. and then all the rest of the time, we can watch rockets going off. and it's funny. >> of course it is money. it's advertising . it's getting people advertising. it's getting people in the ground . in the ground. >> what's the difference between 100 and 20 balls and 101

hundred. >> it seems not much. but sometimes these things do make a difference. i personally not a huge fan of hundred. the some people i know who are real cricketers and absolute lovers of the game think it's a fantastic innovation. >> i thought it cricket for >> i thought it was cricket for people like cricket, people who didn't like cricket, it's people who it's to introduce people who don't like cricket to cricket and then see it's a and then see maybe it's a gateway drug. it's not a game, it's a marketing exercise . right? >> kind of yes. i mean, i'm afraid that's the way things go because. because grounds might otherwise be empty. and so the only way you can fill them is to market the game . you can't you market the game. you can't you can't expect them . can't expect them. >> i love test matches, and i love the county championship. i people of our generation do, but i think we to be realistic i think we have to be realistic about younger people i think we have to be realistic abotit younger people i think we have to be realistic abotit and younger people i think we have to be realistic abotit and they)unger people i think we have to be realistic abotit and they want r people i think we have to be realistic abotit and they want to eople i think we have to be realistic abotit and they want to spend into it and they want to spend an evening having fun in kind of in the way americans go to a baseball game. >> and i know it sounds terrible to imitate. no, no, another another american institution. >> yes. it's for people with limited attention span. if you

like. >> i think that may well be your sweetie. >> .gov bless you, dear man. >> .gov bless you, dear man. >> i'm sure i've talked nonsense, but it's been enormous fun to edit you very , very heavily. >> yeah , no, it's great. >> yeah, no, it's great. >> yeah, no, it's great. >> it really is . >> it really is. >> it really is. >> it's been fabulous tattoos. anyway one of those cats you like and take it with you. tell me now, would i would . and now me now, would i would. and now time for a song. >> they say that life is fleeting. like some shoddy central heating . central heating. >> first your toast there, then your mostly in the cold. >> cold . >> cold. >> cold. >> there are some who say it's ruthless that we end up bald and toothless , but who admits the toothless, but who admits the benefits of getting . old mother benefits of getting. old mother nature is a pensioner , and nature is a pensioner, and though we shouldn't mention her,

she carries on as though she's gone berserk . we aspire to this gone berserk. we aspire to this endeavour that will peace will reign forever . but how can it, reign forever. but how can it, when the planet doesn't work . when the planet doesn't work. i can't wait for the apocalypse ships the atmospheric , esoteric ships the atmospheric, esoteric whistle stop a clear ships. there's a cost of living crisis. peppa pig is joining isis. there's bugger to all live for, so we're ready to die. >> i can't wait for the apocalypse . apocalypse. >> chips. what kind of blunt and jubilant atomic clock is this? there is no second coming. just a bog with lousy plumbing. >> we don't need a horoscope to certify that at the end of the world is nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh .

nyeh nyeh nyeh. >> night night is quite alluring , and to me it's reassuring that the bunfight over sunlight is adjourned for a oblivion is jolly . there's no need to bring jolly. there's no need to bring a brolly , for extinctions are a brolly, for extinctions are distinct , often to be yearned . distinct, often to be yearned. it's quite common for an earthling to expect a fresh rebirthing re—embark as junior ark or mounted doll . but if you ark or mounted doll. but if you dream of smart emerging on a cloud of native virgins when you've signed out, you will find out you were wrong . out you were wrong. >> hey , i can't wait for the >> hey, i can't wait for the apocalypse chips. the fine and dandy cotton candy lollipop . dandy cotton candy lollipop. >> eclipse. there are demons swinging axes, but at least you won't pay taxes. >> so bring on armageddon cause we're ready to fly i can't wait

for the apocalypse a final pucker from the. >> with the proper lips. >> with the proper lips. >> let the universe be blasted. >> let the universe be blasted. >> it was spiffing while it lasted. so let's wave a metaphysical goodbye . my way . metaphysical goodbye. my way. for the end of the world is not my . fire. my. fire. >> next time on the dinosaur. our >> it's making the point that not only is cancelled culture real, but it's. >> it's so bad we're going to be studying it in 100 years. it is odd when you think about it, that there is an ideology which has become a dominant value, that nobody is allowed to

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