bad parenting does impact struggling children. >> i've got a special plan for the government to spice up a depressing january. we must tax the dead. >> if britain is to be a fair society and what do you think? >> are the doctors just plain greedy? they want more money. really >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. happy new years eve. eve everyone, and welcome to the saturday five. this weekend we're not just closing the chapter on another week, but we're slamming the book shut on

an entire year. and blimey, what an entire year. and blimey, what a script it's been more plot twists than a season of eastenders . joining me tonight eastenders. joining me tonight are the usual suspects. i'll be ben and benjamin. there here to light up our debates like fireworks over the thames. and of course, our very own nana akua, whose common sense sparkles brighter than any seen over the london eye. i was sure tonight is like a new year's resolution full of good intentions, but let's see how long we're managed to stick to the script. each of us will start with a 62nd spiel, and then it's rowdier than a wetherspoons at closing time. don't forget, we want your opinions too, so fire them over at gbviews@gbnews.com. but before we launch into tonight's verbal illuminations, let's get the scoop on today's headlines from sophia wenzler. the scoop on today's headlines from sophia wenzler . thank . you. from sophia wenzler. thank. you. >> darren. good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. thousands of people's new year's plans have been

thrown into chaos after eurostar cancelled all trains to and from london. the company apologised after what it said was unprecedented flooding in a number of tunnels, including under the thames, up to 35,000 passengers have been affected, with many left stranded at london's saint pancras station. some have taken to social media to vent their frustrations, saying they were told about saying they were only told about the cancellations at 8:00 this morning and forecasters are warning people to take care ahead of new year celebrations. heavy rain and strong winds are expected in many parts of the country, with parts of scotland likely to see significant . likely to see significant. levels of snow. the met office says yellow alerts are in place until . 3 am. tomorrow. ukraine until. 3 am. tomorrow. ukraine has struck a series of targets in russia, killing 14 people and injuring more than 100 others. it comes after russia carried out its most devastating air attack since the invasion began. ukraine says the brutality of the strikes, which killed 31

people, shows there can be no talk of truce with moscow, talk of a truce with moscow, though russia requested a meeting of the united nations security despite security council today, despite most russia's most members condemning russia's actions at an emergency gathering the uk is gathering last night, the uk is representative barbara woodward says russia is deliberately targeting civilians. these missiles were aimed at population centres across ukraine at kyiv, lviv to dnipro, odesa , kharkiv, committee and odesa, kharkiv, committee and many more cities . many more cities. >> they struck homes, apartment buildings , shopping centres and buildings, shopping centres and metros and maternity hospital and a regional oncology centre have been damaged in short, civilian infrastructure . civilian infrastructure. >> a murder investigation has been launched after a 29 year old man was stabbed in northwest london. emergency crews were called to the scene at the abbey estate near saint john's wood,

just after 730 on friday evening . the victim, who hasn't been named , was taken to hospital but named, was taken to hospital but he later died. the cordon is in place near the famous abbey road crossing, while detectives investigate, know arrests have yet been made , police may. be yet been made, police may. be facing renewed scrutiny over the huge amount of crimes that haven't been solved this year. new figures reveal. there . were new figures reveal. there. were 4.7 million unsolved crimes in 2023. that's almost 86% of those reported, and 1.7 million were of a violent nature, with a further million down to criminal damage or arson. in many cases , damage or arson. in many cases, police failed to find a suspect. labour says the conservatives record on solving crime is disgraceful, and has accused the government letting criminals government of letting criminals off and victims down. shameless cronyism and a slap in the to face working people. just two criticism of liz truss resignation honours list. britain's shortest serving prime minister has handed out 11 peerages to political allies,

tory donors and former aides, which for which amounts to around one for every four days in office. labour says honours should be for not for public service, not rewarding tory failure . liz rewarding tory failure. liz truss resigned last october after 49 days amid economic turmoil sparked by her so—called mini—budget meanwhile, dame shirley bassey . mini—budget meanwhile, dame shirley bassey. has mini—budget meanwhile, dame shirley bassey . has been given shirley bassey. has been given the highest award in the king's new year honours list. the legendary singer is 64th living member of the order of the companions of honour. in recognition of her services to music, it's limited to 65 members at any one time. dame shirley has sold 135 million records worldwide , said records worldwide, said glastonbury festival founder michael eavis and wetherspoons . michael eavis and wetherspoons. boss tim martin are among those knighted . and there are knighted. and there are damehoods for author. knighted. and there are damehoods for author . jilly damehoods for author. jilly cooper and mp siobhan mcdonagh and the british actor tom wilkinson has died . born into a

wilkinson has died. born into a farming family in yorkshire, he won acclaim for his role in the classic comedy the full monty. he was nominated for an academy award twice, first for the drama in the bedroom in 2001, and again in two thousand and seven for the thriller michael clayton. he took home a golden globe in 2009 for his portrayal of benjamin franklin in hbo's miniseries john adams. his other credits include the best exotic marigold hotel, batman begins, and sense and sensibility. tom wilkinson was 75. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and . car, on your digital radio and. on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to the saturday five. >> it's . saturday night and >> it's. saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes , and before i'm darren grimes, and before yourjanuary diet begins, it's time for some full fat opinion. let's crack on with tonight's

first debate and to kick things off tonight, it's darren. >> what have you got for us tonight, dazza. well i'm going tonight, dazza. well i'm going to talk to you about wetherspoons, my favourite place. >> be popping there after >> i'll be popping there after this. so tim martin, the pub landlord extraordinaire, he's been knighted. and the pearl clutch bigots are clutch and ramona bigots are having meltdown having a collective meltdown down. you'd think he'd claimed that turned to wine that he'd turned water to wine as opposed to being successful at selling it. this nhs nurses account their account on twitter. bless their hearts, can't seem to wrap hearts, they can't seem to wrap their heads around why a bloke who's made it possible to buy a pint in london for less than the price of a designer latte, deserves a knighthood, perhaps they're too busy navigating the labyrinth bureaucracy of the nhs to notice the real world out side, sir tim's not just running pubs, he's actually running social hubs in a society still reeling from the state enforced isolation places where real people can gather, places where the elderly can escape the cold

and enjoy endless coffees without eviscerating their pensions . places where thousands pensions. places where thousands of young people get a start in the work and world. and let's not forget taxes. wetherspoon has paid £5.8 billion of tax to the exchequer in the last ten years, contribute to the very institution that these snipers work for. maybe that's why they're so upset. maybe it's hard the fact that a hard to face the fact that a proud patriot and brexiteer is bankrolled in their salaries. hats sir tim being an eu obsessive , he'd be lauded as obsessive, he'd be lauded as a visionary , a sensible chap, the visionary, a sensible chap, the right sort. but because he had the audacity to back brexit, he suddenly the villain of the piece . it's as predictable as it piece. it's as predictable as it is pathetic. in conclusion, folks , i say hats off to sir tim folks, i say hats off to sir tim martin. in a world full of virtue signalling charlatans, he stands out as a beacon of common sense and real achievement. this weekend i'm going to raise one of these post—brexit pints of fizz to him . i'm now benjamin

fizz to him. i'm now benjamin butterworth. i heard you this morning actually surprised me, to be honest, because you said, actually, i think sir tim martin probably it's all right that he's got a knighthood. >> i mean, look what i think is great about wetherspoon is that they keep old buildings beautiful and they do an amazing job. so wetherspoons pubs are truly beautiful. so look, i'm grateful for that. and he employs tens of thousands of people. think people. people. i think 40,000 people. so is that so fine. but the truth is that basically desperate tory basically this desperate tory government will give a gong to anybody who keeps up the brexit lie. the fact you go in lie. the fact is, you go in wetherspoon, you're your pint of whatever pint of wine whatever your pint of wine is going expensive going to be more expensive because of brexit. and when we have the covid pandemic , here have the covid pandemic, here was a guy that cares so much about the working class that he told his own serving told his own long serving employees leave . i was going employees to leave. i was going to say something else to leave and go and get a job in tesco. if they didn't like what they were getting at wetherspoon, that's hardly a man of the people. >> the point that he was making

on go work in tesco was actually that these key frontline jobs, the frontline was in shops like that, where people needed essential goods, goods and services was saying services and he was saying there's no point being on furlough go take up the furlough here. go take up the jobs that are important and necessary. and the other necessary. and on the other point, wetherspoons necessary. and on the other point, stock wetherspoons necessary. and on the other point, stock frenchierspoons necessary. and on the other point, stock french crap)ons doesn't stock french crap anymore. wine. anymore. so it's wine. >> yes. >> yes. >> it's not. it's actually lower pnces >> it's not. it's actually lower prices because they are exporting import ing them from elsewhere. that's . a post brexit elsewhere. that's. a post brexit opportunity. >> i mean i don't know why they say it's a brexit opportunity. i've been drinking pints of wine for years. >> yeah, ben leo, are you sold on martin getting a. on tim martin getting a. >> gonna be. well, look, >> i'm gonna be. well, look, first of all, i'm glad that it's wound right people. wound up all the right people. all we needed was a nigel farage knighthood for services to reality we'd be our reality tv. and we'd be on our way, i'm going way, wouldn't we? but i'm going to very diplomatic about to be very diplomatic about this. understand some people this. i understand some people will some will approve of knighthood. some people wouldn't people would approve or wouldn't approve. i have i'm approve. for example, i have i'm approve. for example, i have i'm a bit about mary earps a bit miffed about mary earps getting gong. um, covid getting a gong. um, the covid scientist who. >> she's a woman.

>> because she's a woman. yeah yeah, because woman. yeah, because she's a woman. >> you've got me there we go. >> you've got me there we go. >> one of the most successful female footballers i've ever produced. >> so what did win in the >> so what did she win in the last couple of years? oh, right. >> so what did she win in the lastso�*uple of years? oh, right. >> so what did she win in the lastso�*uplewon.ears? oh, right. >> so what did she win in the lastso�*uplewon. whatoh, right. >> so what did she win in the lastso�*uplewon. what did right. >> so what did she win in the lastso�*uplewon. what did shet. >> so what did she win in the lastso�*uplewon. what did she win? >> so she won. what did she win? >> so she won. what did she win? >> quite few things. >> quite a few things. >> quite a few things. >> she's won quite. got >> she's won quite. she's got through quite few finals. but through quite a few finals. but but sorry. >> no no no she she won a male footballer wouldn't get the same privilege. >> name the blokes that have won the world that are, that the world cup that are, that have knighted recently have got knighted recently because of those because none of those footballers sorry, footballers won anything. sorry, you're just a misogynist. >> you've just shown your ignorance sport. you ignorance in sport. then you cannot. you cannot compare the women's the men's game. women's game to the men's game. well, winner well, the world cup winner coming out so one. coming out now, so she has one. >> excuse me. listen to this. >> excuse me. listen to this. >> the world cup, the usa world cup dallas cup winning team played dallas cowboys. schoolboys cup winning team played dallas cowbo15. schoolboys cup winning team played dallas cowbo15. and schoolboys cup winning team played dallas cowbo15. and they schoolboys cup winning team played dallas cowbo15. and they got schoolboys cup winning team played dallas cowbo15. and they got thrashed's under 15. and they got thrashed five two. that team leaving five two. that same team leaving this i think played wrexham this year i think played wrexham retirees knocking on this year i think played wrexham retirand knocking on this year i think played wrexham retirand wrexham knocking on this year i think played wrexham retirand wrexham didiocking on this year i think played wrexham retirand wrexham did themg on this year i think played wrexham retirand wrexham did them about 60. and wrexham did them about ten nil. you cannot compare ten nil. so you cannot compare the game to the the women's pro game to to the the women's pro game to to the the pro men's game. >> think you can >> well, i think you can actually i'm going to take exception to that. sorry. no no i and i will because do you i can and i will because do you

know difficult it is for know how difficult it is for women to actually get somewhere in especially when in sport, especially when something dominated? >> they're >> yeah, because they're not going going to say fair going to i'm going to say fair enough to her for getting that. and has won quite and actually she has won quite a few awards. there's a list of awards she's won. i didn't awards that she's won. i didn't write, i won golden glove. write, i won the golden glove. >> she some sports. >> she won some other sports. she sportsperson. she won the sportsperson. >> that she's won >> well, you said that she's won not football. >> she's not won football trophies. she won the euros about but about three, four years ago. but this recently then this. this is more recently then this. this is more recently to do this gong is more recently to do with her campaign in getting this gong is more recently to do with tor campaign in getting this gong is more recently to do with to make)aign in getting this gong is more recently to do with to make footballgetting this gong is more recently to do with to make football shirts. nike to make football shirts. i will give mary earps and the women's football team credit for improving football. improving women's football. arsenal improving women's football. ars�*isal improving women's football. ars�*is that not was that not >> is that not was that not enough? not worth that. not enough? not worth that. not enough? your opinion? no. why? >> why what you need? >> why what do you need? >> why what do you need? >> more does she to >> what more does she need to do? yeah, think services to do? yeah, i think services to women's football worth women's football years worth of damage. used , we used give damage. we used, we used to give damehoods knighthoods to damehoods and knighthoods to a olympic winning medallist olympic gold winning medallist and people well and you know people well what's there's much difference there's not much difference between there's not much difference betweerhas stood out as a woman >> she has stood out as a woman who done something who has done something exceptional and the game who has done something exiothernal and the game who has done something exiother women the game who has done something exiother women who the game who has done something exiother women who tsee iame who has done something exiother women who tsee it'sz to other women who will see it's not exceptional, just doing your

job. >> sorry. no, but that's what people doing job. people doing your job. >> that's >> yeah, exactly. oh and that's why that's why i've not got knighthood. >> i'm not the news. well, >> i'm not in the news. well, you're not going to get one eve r. >> even >> but answer tim martin, what do you make of that? >> have i take i take >> well, i have i take i take exception to him because i'm glad got this thing. but glad that he got this thing. but i'm he needs to put music in his pubs for god's sake. he was he thinking i go in there and i'm like, is so dry. the music thinking i go in there and i'm like musics so dry. the music thinking i go in there and i'm like musics so drpub,a music thinking i go in there and i'm like musics so drpub, for usic thinking i go in there and i'm like musics so drpub, for god's put music in the pub, for god's sake. what's wrong with you, tim? >> do you know that dogs are banned? >> enough, >> that's fair enough, that's fair good. i fair enough, that's good. i don't, good. i'm sorry. don't, that's good. i'm sorry. animals don't like me. >> you know, coming up when animals don't like me. >> yortrying', coming up when animals don't like me. >> yortrying to oming up when animals don't like me. >> yortrying to just|g up when animals don't like me. >> yortrying to just enjoynhen animals don't like me. >> yortrying to just enjoy a|en you're trying to just enjoy a nice. been nice. that's a nice been i don't obviously and don't drink beer. obviously and i something cold and i glass of something cold and the dogs feet. the dogs at your feet. >> are you a metropolitan >> are you such a metropolitan elitist that don't drink elitist that you don't drink lager? yes exactly. elitist that you don't drink lag totally. exactly. elitist that you don't drink lag totally. righty. elitist that you don't drink lag i'llally. righty. elitist that you don't drink lag i'll be. righty. elitist that you don't drink lag i'll be. rither. elitist that you don't drink lag i'll be. rithe original pint. >> i'll be on the original pint. yes, we've veered yes, because we've veered somewhat off. poor mary. she's had go. had a right go. >> what did you make about >> but what did you make about wetherspoons being a worthy recipient? it is a worthy >> look, i think it is a worthy recipient. most recipient. it's one of the most successful businesses the successful businesses in the country. martin is country. so tim martin is obviously successful obviously a very successful businessman. i appreciate he didn't way that

didn't vote in the same way that people during people wanted him during the brexit referendum, but who cares? from that. cares? we've moved on from that. that'll years ago this that'll be eight years ago this summer, we need to move summer, though. we need to move on because tim on from it, because sir tim martin worthy winner of martin is a worthy winner of this also was this gong. i also think it was really good to see people like sir eavis, who is of sir michael eavis, who is of course, the founder of glastonbury, as glastonbury, be honoured as well, although i think the announcement everyone he announcement everyone thought he might something. announcement everyone thought he migyes, something. announcement everyone thought he migyes, i something. announcement everyone thought he migyes, i thought something. announcement everyone thought he migyes, i thought we)mething. announcement everyone thought he migyes, i thought we wereiing. >> yes, i thought we were looking but overall looking at it, but overall i think the honours list is a good one. >> liz truss's honours though, should no not should she have got them? no not at all. >> my controversial opinion on this. isn't just liz this. isn't that just that liz truss them. this. isn't that just that liz trus dame them. this. isn't that just that liz trusdame shirley them. this. isn't that just that liz trusdame shirley basseythem. this. isn't that just that liz trusdame shirley bassey hasl. this. isn't that just that liz trusdame shirley bassey has been but dame shirley bassey has been put group where, put in that group of 65 where, you know, someone has to for put in that group of 65 where, y(place w, someone has to for put in that group of 65 where, y(place to someone has to for put in that group of 65 where, y(place to come)ne has to for put in that group of 65 where, y(place to come up has to for put in that group of 65 where, y(place to come up and to for put in that group of 65 where, y(place to come up and i'm for a place to come up and i'm sorry, but what has dame shirley bassey to one of the bassey done to be one of the most influential people? what most 65 influential people? what are about? 135 are you talking about? 135 million oh over million records. oh get over it. >> come on. what do you need? what? recent >> come on. what do you need? what? shuffling recent >> come on. what do you need? what? shuffling stage nt the years, shuffling on stage at the royal albert hall to go on about diana hole. diana mary rabbit hole. >> having to >> i'm not having this to descend dame shirley descend down the dame shirley bassey because up bassey rabbit hole, because up next, indeed albie next, it is indeed albie amankona . take it away. i'll be amankona. take it away. i'll be absolutely so. >> earlier on this week, james

daly, the conservative mp for bury north, caused outrage when he that the children he suggested that the children who struggling who were struggling in his constituency struggling as constituency were struggling as a result of bad parenting. now look for an mp that's got a majority of, i think 105. it's probably not the best way to speak about his constituents ants. but what is so controversial about saying bad parenting can lead to bad outcomes for children ? because outcomes for children? because let's face it, we're all a product of our upbringing and the simple fact of the matter is the simple fact of the matter is the science backs up what james is saying . we know that the most is saying. we know that the most crucial stage . of child crucial stage. of child development is in the first 1001 days, the first couple of years of a child's life. and who is responsible for the first few years of a child's life. the parents. we've got to start talking parents, family talking about parents, family structure and geography because these issues are the key issues when it comes to childhood development and childhood outcomes. and we simply cannot wish that away . so we've got to wish that away. so we've got to stop having a go at people for merely highlighting problems.

james might not have used a language that i would have used, but he highlighted an important problem we've got to put families at the heart of government policy because the future of our nation and the future of our nation and the future of our children depend on it. so lots of people were pretty outraged by what james daly, the conservative mp for bury north, had said earlier on this week. i'm going to come to you ben leo, because you first, ben leo, because you're one of the two parents on the panel. do think it's the panel. do you think it's controversial to say that that bad parenting to bad bad parenting leads to bad outcomes children ? outcomes for children? >> no, i think he was quite right. anyone who cries in right. and anyone who cries in objection bit of objection is just being a bit of a snowflake, be honest . uh, a snowflake, to be honest. uh, where where else is a child going to learn about manners and decorum and how to behave, uh, other than at the home or in the home? rather, you've got parents who these days, unfortunately, just kids in front of just dump their kids in front of netflix, feed them sugary rubbish for tea . i remember even rubbish for tea. i remember even when i was at school in primary school, you had some kids coming when i was at school in primary sciforl, you had some kids coming when i was at school in primary scifor breakfast, some kids coming when i was at school in primary scifor breakfast, some i

for breakfast. so unfortunately we myriad we have, um, probably a myriad of issues which culminates in bad parenting. you've bad parenting. one being you've got kids , um, and got kids having kids, um, and two, you've got parents who don't break the cycle their don't break the cycle from their . own, um, poor child's about to say rubbish, but poor childhood because actually bad parents, it's most of the time not their fault, they're just repeating behaviour that they've seen from their parents in childhood and actually , if you drill down, actually, if you drill down, you'll find their you'll probably find that their parents in the same parents also grew up in the same way. so no, i completely agree with says. um, a child with what he says. um, a child learns their parent uh, learns from their parent and uh, yeah, to behave is yeah, the only way to behave is by teaching them from by teaching them right from wrong akua. by teaching them right from wrowhat akua. by teaching them right from wrowhat do akua. by teaching them right from wrowhat do you akua. by teaching them right from wrowhat do you say a. by teaching them right from wrowhat do you say to people on >> what do you say to people on the who will say reason the left who will say the reason it's be it's more difficult to be a parent is because george parent today is because george osborne the sure start osborne cut the sure start scheme. >> um, well, don't think >> um, well, i don't think that's true at all. that's necessarily true at all. there's factors as to there's so many factors as to why, it's difficult why, uh, it's difficult being a parent one of them is parent today. and one of them is the, aspect of the, the childcare aspect of things. just the fact things. and also just the fact that there are fewer people actually having children in this country. and it feels like the

facilities just aren't there for parents. so um, and also things like schools starts at like 843 or 845 and ends at three. most people are still at work. so i think the whole structure of the education system doesn't really help much either. in terms help much either. and in terms of in terms of parenting, of being in terms of parenting, i think too many i think there's too many distractions days distractions these days and parents busy we've parents are busy because we've all go out and work. so all got to go out and work. so seeing as we've all got go seeing as we've all got to go out you can't seeing as we've all got to go out as you can't seeing as we've all got to go out as much you can't seeing as we've all got to go out as much time ou can't seeing as we've all got to go out as much time withan't seeing as we've all got to go out as much time with your spend as much time with your kids. and i think a lot of parents guilty about that. parents feel guilty about that. and then they're they're and then they're told they're bad it. bad parents because of it. and i don't if there's think don't know if there's i think obviously bad parenting is not a great for the children, great outcome for the children, but the but i don't think that the parents fully blame parents are fully to blame because of that. i think there's loads factors there loads of other factors there are other of other factors, but a lot of people say, benjamin, parents other factors, but a lot of peoplspend benjamin, parents other factors, but a lot of peoplspend benjewith parents other factors, but a lot of peoplspend benjewith theirnts can't spend time with their children to children because they've got to work excessive hours. work such, such excessive hours. >> and the reason they've to >> and the reason they've got to work such excessive hours because is because of cost of living is so high. reason the cost of high. and the reason the cost of living is so is because living is so high is because the cost so so

cost of housing is so high. so what can the government actually do to solve this problem instead of the problem? >> well, first i think >> well, first of all, i think the this feels the reason that this feels appalling as a comment, when obviously that bad obviously there's truth that bad parents to bad parents are going to have bad kids that this kids potentially, is that this is speaking. so i don't is an mp speaking. so i don't really his to really think it's his job to throw insults. his throw around insults. it's his job with answers as job to come up with answers as to it more for lots of to make it more for easy lots of parents to do it, but i found this interesting this a really interesting question you know, question because, as you know, i've before, i've talked about this before, but the first thousand days of i've talked about this before, but life, first thousand days of i've talked about this before, but life, irst thousand days of i've talked about this before, but life, i lived )usand days of i've talked about this before, but life, i lived with|d days of i've talked about this before, but life, i lived with my ays of i've talked about this before, but life, i lived with my two )f my life, i lived with my two heroin addicted parents in a council were violent heroin addicted parents in a courdrug were violent heroin addicted parents in a courdrug andre violent heroin addicted parents in a courdrug and they've1t heroin addicted parents in a courctog and they've1t heroin addicted parents in a courcto prison and they've1t heroin addicted parents in a courcto prison for and they've1t heroin addicted parents in a courcto prison for both hey've1t heroin addicted parents in a courcto prison for both of y'veit been to prison for both of those things. then i was taken in things. and then i was taken in by my grandparents, who were successful calm and that successful and calm and that changed entire my changed the entire course of my life . so there's evidence life. so there's not evidence there that good parents can completely transform from bad parents. you know, i think i'm living proof of that. although some viewers might i've not some viewers might say i've not turned out that well, but i think i think problem is think i think the problem is that many factors. that there are so many factors. and point and this is the other point i was going is that, you was going to make, is that, you know does bad parenting know what does bad parenting look because assume look like? because you assume that you on it, neglect

that you agree on it, neglect your child. that's bad parenting. actually parenting. but i also actually think that controlling helicopter pushy middle helicopter parents, pushy middle class mums that try and control their kids, don't let them be themselves, you know, push them to work hard, but in a way that's actually really damaging to them. i think that's also bad parenting . when they're overzealous. >> great point, darren. >> great point, darren. >> what do you make of all of this? i think pushy middle class parents sounds like a good thing, actually. >> and should clone them and >> and we should clone them and have more i think have many more of them. i think that's you wish you had that's a. do you wish you had pushy middle class parents? that's a. do you wish you had pushyi'mjdle class parents? that's a. do you wish you had pushyi'm not.class parents? well, i'm not. >> not the middle class >> maybe not the middle class thing, but i my mother is definitely not shy, is she? nana.no. >> nana. no. >> nana. no. >> she's fabulous. >> she's fabulous. >> and, uh, i actually think look, miriam cates, i saw she tweeted about this, right? and she received a torrent of abuse. you would think she had you would think that she had just said we need to bring back chairman sort of chairman mao and sort of indoctrinate next generation indoctrinate the next generation of of, of children into some form of, uh, camp , but of children into some form of, uh, camp, but i, i of children into some form of, uh, camp , but i, i can't uh, camp, but i, i can't understand why it's controversial , alby, to turn controversial, alby, to turn around and say, look, it's

really important that we don't make the state a sort of assume the role of the parent because on everything from dentist check ups to a check up at the opticians, schools are now doing them like that to me, is surely them like that to me, is surely the role of the parent. >> when you've got kids going . >> when you've got kids going. into reception and they're not potty trained and they can't turn pages of books and they can't do all of these basic things, surely the state has to step in. >> well, of course, at that point, would have to. >> well, of course, at that poiryou would have to. >> well, of course, at that poiryou would would have to. >> well, of course, at that poiryou would also,d have to. >> well, of course, at that poiryou would also, i have to. >> well, of course, at that poiryou would also, i would). but you would also, i would hazard a guess. have to get social services involved. >> going to you'd >> i was going to say you'd want, mean, maybe not want, i mean, maybe not as draconian i'd draconian as this, but i'd suggest off the cuff saying they shouldn't they shouldn't be having kids. they shouldn't be having kids. they shouldn't of children. >> that's said than >> that's easier said than done. why dad take why doesn't the dad take responsibility you responsibility for that? you ain't a kid him, ain't getting a kid without him, mother, father, your child should not going school, should not be going into school, not my kid was potty trained at >> my kid was potty trained at 10 months. um well, 10 or 11 months. um well, no. >> little library took a bit >> my little library took a bit of all right. bless of time. yeah. all right. bless him. i'd be like, what's that

over there? >> delighted you've said that right >> delighted you've said that rigistill to come tonight. are >> still to come tonight. are doctors underpaid, paid or over? demanded nana akua gives us her view. benjamin tells us why he loves the death tax . jerry and loves the death tax. jerry and ben will tell us how we can spice up january . you're with spice up january. you're with the saturday five

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five, as always. cheers very much for your emails about tonight's topics. karen's emailed in and karen says shocking that the who shocking that the guy who owns wetherspoons an honour for wetherspoons gets an honour for what it's ridiculous. there are far more worthy people that should get honours for their hard achievements. yeah like tony blair, i assume benjamin i agree, yeah. idiot. >> another said fair play to him i >>i -- >> i agree with them being awarded. he gives lots of people jobs, needs music. though he agrees with nana with him. i

hate pubs without music and on bad parents, elizabeth's written in and says if james daly is so concerned about the poor parenting in this country, why does not tackle mr hunt about does he not tackle mr hunt about his eagerness to get all mothers back to work? hmm. that's an interesting point, albee. now, though, it's time for our next debate in life, folks. you can only trust three people your doctor, your lawyer , and your doctor, your lawyer, and your nana. and tonight we've got our very own nana talking about doctors. and if she goes too far , folks, we might need a lawyer. >> it away, nana. >> take it away, nana. >> take it away, nana. >> well, listen, this is. this is how i feel about it. striking doctors are just plain greedy. i mean, on. have mean, come on. when have you ever your parents you ever said to your parents you know, you know, that £10 pocket money that i have earned for. doing pretty much what a bad job as your child? well, that needs to go up . by 35. as your child? well, that needs to go up. by 35. i as your child? well, that needs to go up . by 35. i mean, my to go up. by 35. i mean, my parents would have just laughed in my face. i'm sorry, but junior doctors. but some of you aren't even that great at your

job. let's be honest. honestly, how many mistakes are these people making ? they might argue people making? they might argue that it's because they are overwhelmed and understaffed and underpaid. well join the club. so is everybody else . you knew so is everybody else. you knew the pay structure that you get badly paid at first in exchange for golden pension and high earnings later on. as you grow in experience , i mean, that's in experience, i mean, that's the job that you've chosen in tv, most of us are lucky tv, right? most of us are lucky if we get a good job, the competition is high and the risk of not getting there is immense. i mean, one time was an i mean, one time i was even an in—store demonstrator selling i mean, one time i was even an in—stoiindemonstrator selling i mean, one time i was even an in—stoiindemo wycombe..ling i mean, one time i was even an in—stoiindemo wycombe. i ng knives in high wycombe. i remember coming up to remember this woman coming up to me saying, too for me and saying, you're too for good was so good this. and it was so humiliating, i did what it humiliating, but i did what it took get where i wanted to took to get where i wanted to be. a pay rise, yes, but 35% are you on crack now? the consultants the ones that i consultants are the ones that i really my around. really can't get my head around. on salary £100,000, on a salary of over £100,000, and more because it and they want more because it hasn't gone up in line with inflation. well, i think inflation. well, i think inflation around what inflation. well, i think in'it?ion around what inflation. well, i think in'it?ion comingi what inflation. well, i think in'it? ion coming to what inflation. well, i think in'it?ion coming to 2% what inflation. well, i think in'it?ion coming to 2% now?|t is it? is it coming to 2% now? honestly told to go honestly we were told not to go to gp. if we could possibly to our gp. if we could possibly help getting over

help getting sick over christmas. try and christmas. so just try and control when happens. control when that happens. i mean i'm, i'm disgusted my mean i'm, i'm disgusted with my gp. i had to fill in an online form just for a referral to go to a private, to go private after they failed to give me the correct diagnosis and medication. all i wanted to do was private and out of was go private and get out of their clutches. i said as much on the form. actually, it's probably instead, a week probably why instead, a week after i submitted the online form, they text me on my on my phone, on friday afternoon to tell i filled in the wrong tell me i filled in the wrong form online, which is which? if that was the case, they would have known as soon as they saw it. i mean, i'm not done with them because they've wound up them because they've wound up the wrong lady. i'll be holding them to account. this them to account. watch this space. happening to space. but if it's happening to me able bodied and well, then just think about those who are much older, who are frail and really sick. the whole thing is a . and say we pay a disgrace. and i say we pay a national insurance specifically for goes for health care. and it goes into personal pot for into our own personal pot for private probably cost private cover. it probably cost less. be less. the doctors will be accountable strike accountable and strike and you're fed with you're fired. i'm fed up with people on waiting lists

people dying on waiting lists which are getting longer. we've paid this, it's just paid into this, but it's just not and that's what i not working. and that's what i think . think. >> say what you really think, nana. didn't want to nana. well, i didn't want to mince my words, what mean? >> i mean, benjamin, what do you think? i mean, 35 think? come on. i mean, 35 sending nonsense. >> think >> nana. that's what i think these i it, these these are. i love it, these doctors . incredibly doctors. it is incredibly difficult to get a place on a medical course. you have to get a's and a's stars. there's very few the first place. few places in the first place. one thing that we should change. so there be doctors so there might be more doctors coming but coming through the system, but they pay cut they have had a pay cut effectively of 35% in the last 13 years. that's where that request comes from. exactly. and the fact is that you say that even consultants that earn over 100 grand grand, they earn that much because they're exceptionally capable and they save lives. i am save huge numbers of lives. i am grateful for the doctors that have helped when i've been have helped me when i've been sick. and i tell you what, it is a economy because you a false economy because you pointed your own argument pointed out in your own argument that moved because you that you moved jobs because you got rise. well, that's got a pay rise. well, that's what's with doctors . what's happening with doctors. >> leaving jobs because what's happening with doctors. >was leaving jobs because what's happening with doctors. >was sellingleaving jobs because what's happening with doctors. >was selling knives jobs because what's happening with doctors. >was selling knives inbs because what's happening with doctors. >was selling knives in the ecause i was selling knives in the middle of supermarket. was

middle of a supermarket. i was an demonstrator. an in—store demonstrator. >> now tongue is >> well, now now your tongue is your these days. your knife these days. >> it? your knife these days. >> but it? your knife these days. >> but the fact is, >> but look, the fact is, they're moving to australia in remarkable numbers. and countries . and then countries like canada. and then we pay more for we have to pay more for freelance who are in freelance doctors who are in a fortune and nurses, and also take them from other countries. that's . that's a farcical. >> i'm not saying that they shouldn't little more shouldn't get a little bit more money. i do think consultants on 135 is plenty , but the 135 grand is plenty, but the point is 35% is madness. and i think that they've set up a bar that cannot be reached so they can carry on striking. i think it's more political than anything, and think people are anything, and i think people are dying of it. who asks dying because of it. who asks for 35% and expects to get it? well, entitled well, they're all quite entitled middle aren't they? middle class snobs, aren't they? >> one of main ring >> i think one of the main ring leaders of am here, one of the leaders of i am here, one of the main, one the main main, one of the main ringleaders strikes , it ringleaders of these strikes, it was not going was revealed i'm not going to name but in august it was name him, but in august it was revealed that he basically revealed that he had basically dunng during the first phase of strikes, off to a strikes, walked off to a friend's wedding a month on friend's wedding for a month on houday friend's wedding for a month on holiday to zealand. he also holiday to new zealand. he also owned flat in central london, owned a flat in central london, mortgage free, worth about 600 grand a year. and why is that

relevant to anything? >> well, it is because he's got. >> well, it is because he's got. >> i'll you why. because >> i'll tell you why. because the they are staying the people they are staying irving of treatments and operations, nhs waiting list operations, the nhs waiting list is nearing million. is now nearing 8 million. it's growing each day. it's not the doctors they they are. doctors they are. they are. >> it partly because >> well, it is partly because they're striking. >> well, it is partly because the they're (ing. it work. >> well, it is partly because the they're(ing. it work. those >> they're making it work. those needy a them poor. needy people a lot of them poor. all. all they and all. all while they go off and live high middle . live high class, middle. >> i just don't know what that's got his personal got to do with his personal wealth. my point wealth. look, because my point on actually about what on this is actually about what is fundamental issue. you is the fundamental issue. you speak people going to speak about people going to australia and to canada who don't have a national health service. exactly >> it's not the same we do. >>— >> it's not the same we do. >> why are flogging dead >> why are we flogging this dead horse, nhs? why don't horse, which is nhs? why don't we just copy what do in we just copy what they do in australia they do in australia and what they do in canada have better canada so that we have a better health service here? >> well, know about >> well, i don't know about canada. pretty much the canada. it's pretty much the same, honest . same, to be honest. >> well, you understand my point. >> australia, singapore , etc. >> australia, singapore, etc. where there is this the european social health social insurance health care model as opposed to tax model as opposed to this tax payer funded nhs bucket of money, which just goes on and on

and on. >> peace. but darren, what do you think? >> well, i actually i think what you were saying in your remarks there about it's people like benjamin basically who are using the nhs as a way to bring down a conservative government and actually they're putting people's health at risk. that's right. they're putting lives. >> it is why why don't all these doctors that you don't show any respect to? >> don't all just go >> why don't they all just go off australia, see how many off to australia, see how many people because people die? they are because it's wedded to the nhs. it's not so wedded to the nhs. yeah, so wedded to the idea that they paid and they should be paid properly and poor health poor people should access health care without if was care without having if it was a private system , then they'd private system, then they'd be paid they wouldn't be paid better and they wouldn't be going strike. going on strike. >> problem actually >> so the problem is actually the of nhs . it's the structure of the nhs. it's not working. i mean, there's a waiting lists millions waiting lists with millions on people are dying as they're waiting. it can't right. waiting. it can't be right. >> a cult. you can't >> it's such a cult. you can't even mention part even remotely mention part privatisation . i mean, why privatisation. i mean, why should someone on 120 grand a year same access to year have the same access to the nhs as as elderly woman on nhs as a as an elderly woman on pension shouldn't pension credit? it shouldn't happen. pension credit? it shouldn't happen . should means happen. there should be means tested. should be wide tested. there should be wide reform. get rid of

tested. there should be wide ref(these get rid of tested. there should be wide ref(these diversity get rid of tested. there should be wide ref(these diversity inclusion of all these diversity inclusion managers on 150 grand a year. all these middle managers reform the whole thing. favourite wes streeting health reform, the nhs i >> -- >> so what do you say about that? >> nobody says that they don't need to be reforms, but you're saying it should be privatised. i what, if it's if it's i tell you what, if it's if it's not chosen tory not your chosen tory government's then why is not your chosen tory gcthat ment's then why is not your chosen tory gcthat under. then why is not your chosen tory gcthat under the then why is not your chosen tory gcthat under the last1en why is not your chosen tory gcthat under the last labour' is it that under the last labour government, fraction government, you had a fraction of waiting you had of the waiting times you had more nurses and you more doctors and nurses and you had ever approval had the highest ever approval rates, mass, uncontrolled migration? >> blair, tell you why >> tony blair, i'll tell you why . because blair decided to . because tony blair decided to open britain's gates and allow the world to come in. you've got people coming here to give birth from african countries from from african countries specifically to give birth because they know they're going to get a free time. >> yeah, their health tourists. so we health tourists, we have a lot of we spend a lot on health tourists countries. tourists in other countries. if you america, well, you did that in america, well, that wouldn't happen because they've you'd they've got insurance. you'd have sort of insurance. there was a case a few weeks >> there was a case a few weeks ago some a nigerian, ago where some a nigerian, i think, two nigerian came think, two nigerian friends came to or to manchester to give or somewhere in north to somewhere in the north west to give in give birth. they were in the

country for a matter of hours and then they gave birth because it's the and it's free on the nhs. and arguably you are arguably the truth is you are more to be helped a more likely to be helped by a foreign doctor nurse foreign born doctor or nurse than you are to be behind them in queue for the indictment than you are to be behind them in our queue for the indictment than you are to be behind them in our queue service,ndictment than you are to be behind them in our queue service, because |t than you are to be behind them in think it's wrong doing that. so that probably need it more. >think it's wrong just ng that. so that probably need it more. >think it's wrong just to that. so that probably need it more. >think it's wrong just to play. so i think it's wrong just to play devil's advocate. >> wouldn't a way to people >> wouldn't a way to get people to be to raise to do that would be to raise raise wages of british raise the wages of british people. raise the wages of british peo ofe. raise the wages of british peoof course, the whole yes, but >> of course, the whole yes, but not 35% point. not 35% is my point. >> that's ridiculous. >> that's ridiculous. >> folks? ahead has >> right folks? still ahead has the most depressing day of the year approaches. with a year approaches. ben leo with a smile on face. it's going to smile on his face. it's going to tell we be saved from tell us how we can be saved from this of gloom. speaking this day of gloom. and speaking of gloom, benjamin butterworth, he'll state he'll tell us why the state should continue to tax the dead. you're with the saturday five live on gb news

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radio. where i come back to the saturday five, where we have all now entered negotiations for a 35% fee. >> yeah . now, as always, thanks >> yeah. now, as always, thanks so much for your emails. marcus emailed in and mark says, remember, it was the bma. it's a british medical association who have fuelled the doctors strike action and greed. and paul has written in and said honestly, i would reduce . their salary. oh would reduce. their salary. oh well , now it's would reduce. their salary. oh well, now it's time for our next debate. up next, it's benjamin and benjamin's going to tell us why he hates old people again . why he hates old people again. benjamin. well, the impartiality shines through. >> darren. yeah rishi sunak is reportedly considering scrapping or cutting the inheritance tax paid when it comes to his budget in march . now, inheritance tax in march. now, inheritance tax is paid . at 40, over half £1 is paid. at 40, over half £1 million. or if you're a couple over £1 million for those people inheriting . polls show that most inheriting. polls show that most people think they will pay

inheritance tax, and most people dislike inheritance tax. but the truth is that only 4% of estates actually pay it , truth is that only 4% of estates actually pay it, and the vast majority of the £7 billion raised from inheritance tax is from the 1% wealthiest people in british society. so this would be a huge tax cut for the very wealthiest families in britain. if that's going to be one of the last things that the tories do before they kicked out, then doesn't that tell you a lot about their priorities? i mean, look, got the highest tax look, we've got the highest tax burden that there has been in 70 years in britain. my god, when rishi sunak finds out who did that, he's going to be furious. and that's why i think it would be so appalling for one of, frankly, his last acts of prime minister to cut inheritance tax. because when workers paying because when workers are paying so much their in tax so much of their income in tax thresholds, that thresholds, the idea that he would payout to would give a payout to multi—millionaires and billionaires would be an ugly insult. and let's remember the only reason sunaks in downing

street is because a lot of voters in places like the north—east turned . tory for north—east turned. tory for bofis north—east turned. tory for boris johnson's version. now, how many people in the north east are going to benefit from a tax cut for people leaving more than £1 million behind? not many. that's why sunak should not drop inheritance tax now . not drop inheritance tax now. albert, what do you make of this? >> so i'm in two minds on inheritance tax . i think on the inheritance tax. i think on the one hand it is double taxation. we're taxed throughout our entire lives. we're taxed on all the different things that we buy, and then we're taxed in death as well. but then on the other hand, it is a tax on people who have passed away and actually , would i rather there actually, would i rather there were other taxes which were cut that working people were paying perhaps income tax, for example, could come down if could vat come down if inheritance was higher? so inheritance tax was higher? so i'm in two minds on this issue. i'm in two minds on this issue. i can certainly see why people are inheritance tax. are pro acting inheritance tax. but i'm also i can understand why people are pro keeping inheritance tax now, having sold

all knives, you're worth all those knives, you're worth millions am. all those knives, you're worth milyes,. am. all those knives, you're worth milyes,. know. all those knives, you're worth milyes,. know it. >> yes, you know it. >> yes, you know it. >> you know it here people just tuning in on our. >> you know it here people just tuning in on our . yes, yes, i tuning in on our. yes, yes, i was in—store demonstrator . was an in—store demonstrator. it's a very sad time in my life. >> just do a demonstration. >> just do a demonstration. >> it's. do you >> just do a demonstration. >> it's it's. do you >> just do a demonstration. >> it's fundamentally you >> just do a demonstration. >> it's fundamentally unfair think it's fundamentally unfair that this some that there is this what some people would call a second tax on your way out? i think it's disgraceful. >> these people have paid tax . >> these people have paid tax. it's the principle of it. right? it's the principle of it. right? it's not so much that, oh, only a certain percentage will pay it. and by the way, most rich people know how to get out of it. so most rich people who are incredibly rich will worked incredibly rich will have worked their way of giving their assets around to around so they don't have to pay it. that's first thing. it. that's the first thing. >> westminster. >> but the duke of westminster. >> but the duke of westminster. >> but the duke of westminster. >> but secondly, uh, most >> yeah. but secondly, uh, most people the people i don't like the principle of it. the fact that you've really you've worked really, really hard, to pass hard, you're trying to pass something that hard, you're trying to pass som might that hard, you're trying to pass sommight say, that hard, you're trying to pass som might say, that that hard, you're trying to pass sommight say, that is that hard, you're trying to pass sommight say, that is somebody you might say, that is somebody who's head i'm who's dead. but in my head i'm thinking, well, what's the point of working really hard, of me working really hard, getting they're getting all my assets if they're simply just going be taxed to simply just going to be taxed to the death, literally. the to death, literally. and also they are taking these also when they are taking these assets, of

assets, the whole sort of probate system is terrible as well, people months probate system is terrible as wellmonths people months probate system is terrible as wellmonths and ople months probate system is terrible as wellmonths and months, months probate system is terrible as wellmonths and months, morhave and months and months, then have to the money or to pay tax on the money or whatever it is that they're going to get. i think it's i think it's the point, the point of working hard to make money is that you get to live in a nice house and have a nice lifestyle. pass your children and pass it on to your children and you can pay. >> you can give your kids all the advantages they need when you're still you're around. if you still haven't that you're around. if you still haven'why that you're around. if you still haven'why it that that you're around. if you still haven'why it that they hat point, why is it that they should inherit a posh house and kids enough to kids that aren't lucky enough to have parents pay it? have rich parents pay for it? >> for i paid they >> i paid for it. i paid they didn't for it. yeah, but didn't pay for it. yeah, but i paid for it and i bought it for them. so why should i be yourself? >> for myself? can i can i just say something? people who work hard succeed hard and graft and succeed and very become very rarely become multi—millionaires and even billionaires. for billionaires. they do that for their children on the on the whole, they do that because they want and want to leave a legacy and something for their children to remember, rememberthem, remember, to remember them, remember them by not they don't just this, this just leave this, this, this earth, know, being of earth, you know, being a kind of nobody. they nobody. and that's why they graft kids. graft so hard for their kids. the inheritance tax one of the inheritance tax is one of the disgusting taxes going. the inheritance tax is one of the legalised|usting taxes going. the inheritance tax is one of the legalised theft; taxes going. the inheritance tax is one of the legalised theft and es going. the inheritance tax is one of the legalised theft and the ioing. it's legalised theft and the government no better than a

government is no better than a than suited mafia. grubby than a suited up mafia. grubby mitts estate mitts on people's estate priority ben lear. priority for now ben lear. >> when tax burden a 70 >> when the tax burden is a 70 year we've got all these year high, we've got all these people income people on frozen income tax thresholds cutting for thresholds to be cutting tax for people that it's not it's people that it's not really it's going of the going to affect, what, 4% of the population. better. population. surely it's better. it reduce it shouldn't have to reduce income tax for millions of working the working people across the country. we've reduced country. i agree we've reduced taxes board as taxes across the board as benjamin tax burden of benjamin said, a tax burden of 7080 high totally not representative of a conservative government at all. >> so yeah, reduce income tax, scrapping heritance tax, scrap the taxes legalised theft. scrapping heritance tax, scrap the theytaxes legalised theft. scrapping heritance tax, scrap the they don'tlegalised theft. scrapping heritance tax, scrap the they don't even sed theft. scrapping heritance tax, scrap the they don't even make ieft. scrapping heritance tax, scrap the they don't even make that >> they don't even make that much it anyway . much money out of it anyway. well said, only 4. well ben, as you said, only 4. >> know ben's his views >> you know ben's made his views clear. know what i think clear. but you know what i think the one sympathy with the one sympathy i have with inheritance that i think inheritance tax is that i think it disproportionately it really disproportionately affects people live the affects people who live in the south and london because south east and london because their houses are just inevitably have faster. darren, have gone up far faster. darren, you're from the northeast . what you're from the northeast. what do of it? well, do you make of it? well, i actually you have actually think that you have a really vindictive streak when it comes old people . comes to old people. >> i think you've got a real problem with older people. i really do . i cannot for the life really do. i cannot for the life of me understand why you don't

look at the struggle people look at the struggle that people went in the 1970s to went through in the 1970s to have £1 million house inflation. people work hard. why? they worked hard and what during the three day working week in this country, thanks to your lot that i tell me, tell me how many people in your town you grew up in would benefit from this? >> well, i have no idea. >> well, i have no idea. >> how many do you count? >> how many do you count? >> how many do you count? >> how does he know that ? that's >> how does he know that? that's a silly question. >> no, it's not a silly question because the answer is clearly going to be about zero. >> you don't know that because where are you getting stuff? >> how many millionaires are in county you know? county durham? don't you know? i'm but just i'm sorry, but you've just insulted of your insulted the people of your hometown you're hometown so much because you're saying that people who worked hard going to pass on? hard are going to pass it on? i tell you i think people in tell you what, i think people in the their the north where their houses haven't these crazy haven't gone up to these crazy prices, london, worked prices, like london, they worked hard, they hard, they have increased. they won't hard, they have increased. they worthey have, some >> they have, though. some of them of them them are actually some of them are yeah, but are falling grand. yeah, but some of them are. >> the percentage increase has gone even than >> the percentage increase has gonthey even than >> the percentage increase has gonthey have even than >> the percentage increase has gonthey have started than >> the percentage increase has gonthey have started �*aan the they may have started at a

lower with principal lower rate with the principal people who people in the northeast who worked london worked just as hard as london is, but they won't get the benefit tax break. benefit of this tax break. >> super wealthy, >> just the super wealthy, even harder have >> just the super wealthy, even harrconnections have >> just the super wealthy, even harrconnections that have >> just the super wealthy, even harrconnections that people ave the connections that people they don't down to london. don't go down to london. >> then >> well, then they get a benefit. >> yourself the flagship, >> do yourself as the flagship, the boy for little the poster boy for little northeasterners and you just said don't they northeasterners and you just said hard don't they northeasterners and you just said hard enough. they northeasterners and you just said hard enough. facty northeasterners and you just said hard enough. fact their northeasterners and you just said ihappens gh. fact their northeasterners and you just said ihappens to. fact their northeasterners and you just said ihappens to be fact their house happens to be worth 200 grand? them hard grand? does it make them hard work harder. work works harder. >> honestly, they >> i said. yeah, honestly, they don't have the connections that london has, but then surely this would be the wrong tax cut because wouldn't most because it wouldn't impact most people? so people? i do agree with that. so what? i'm sort of halfway what? i'm in a sort of halfway house albion house here between albion benjamin, i think benjamin, but i think i think that actually more that actually one more very brief point. can't, brief final point. you can't, i'm because are. i'm afraid, because you are. because don't censored. uh, because we don't censored. uh, don't go anywhere because censored to censored bentley or is going to come with the to come up with the answer to cunng come up with the answer to curing blues and curing the january blues and have our step. like have a spring in our step. like tigger, with the saturday tigger, you're with the saturday five on

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written in and sarah says, i keep hearing about the 4. i'm one of the 4. i've been paying a mortgage since i was 19. my apprentice son and schoolgirl daughter will need to find £60,000 to stay in their home. having had cancer. it's a real concern. yeah, i mean, that's a good point, benjamin. >> but i mean , people like that >> but i mean, people like that pay >> but i mean, people like that pay for the cancer treatment of millions of poorer people. you know, that's how taxes work. i think that's i think that's an unreasonable argument. >> point has been raised right now. it's time for next now. it's time for our next debate. least, debate. last but not least, professor leo has the cure professor ben leo has the cure to january blues. take it away, ben. >> professor. thank you, mr grimes. now, look, i don't know about you, reckon january about you, but i reckon january is depressing . month of is the most depressing. month of the year. christmas is over. the positive of the new year is wearing thin and we wake up when it's to sleep it's dark and we go to sleep when so concept when it's dark. so the concept of is a distant memory of sunlight is a distant memory and quite frankly, the weather is our is in the gutter alongside our moods. is in the gutter alongside our mooddepressing day year most depressing day of the year falls on the third monday of january , which next month january, which next month would

make the 15th our make january the 15th our official blue monday. so the formula for blue monday being the worst day of the year is comprised of seven variables weather, s, your monthly weather, debt s, your monthly salary time since christmas, the time since falling off the wagon. when it comes to your diet, smoking or the booze or anything else. low motivation levels and the need to take to take so combined with take action. so combined with the real condition sad, the very real condition of sad, sad seasonal affective disorder, where the rubbish weather causes low mood and inspiration often i'm calling for blue monday to be a. i laugh because it's be made a. i laugh because it's such a good idea . a bank, a such a good idea. a bank, a bank, a bank holiday in the uk. um, so please uk government rishi sunak we need one more extra day in january to ourselves for rest, recuperation and planning. how to get through the remaining grim, grim months until spring rears its beautiful head. until spring rears its beautiful head . i don't want to spend blue head. i don't want to spend blue monday commuting . i want to be monday commuting. i want to be down gym steam room, down the gym in the steam room, or time with my kids. or spending time with my kids. so and co dig deep so come on rishi and co dig deep into public and give into the public coffers and give us the january bank holiday. we

all deserve . benjamin. good all deserve. benjamin. good idea. look may i be the first to say would encourage you say that i would encourage you to more days off. to have many more days off. >> um, why turn up at all? ben, i actually, i absolutely support you to work. you not turning up to work. look, truth is , uh, you look, the truth is, uh, you know, is a bit a know, january is a bit of a miserable month, but i feel the problem is that everyone gets into that it's into the mindset that it's miserable and then it takes hold. booked hold. i've actually booked a houday hold. i've actually booked a holiday january in order hold. i've actually booked a ho avoid january in order hold. i've actually booked a ho avoid it january in order hold. i've actually booked a ho avoid it. january in order hold. i've actually booked a ho avoid it. that's1uary in order hold. i've actually booked a ho avoid it. that's they in order hold. i've actually booked a ho avoid it. that's the thing.der to avoid it. that's the thing. you've got annual leave. use it. >> not everyone has >> yeah, but not everyone has annual not everyone annual leave. not everyone has. >> leave. >> everyone has annual leave. no, don't. no, they don't. >> people that don't work self—employed. >> will be the >> well, look, i will be the evil capitalist on the panel bank holidays cause an bank holidays actually cause an economic hit for the country . we economic hit for the country. we already have a bank holiday in january, new year's we january, new year's day. we don't another one two years don't need another one two years later. also two two months. sorry. two weeks later, if we were going to have another bank holiday, it towards holiday, we'd have it towards the end of the year before christmas and after the august bank that's the bank holiday, because that's the longest period between bank holidays. don't think we holidays. but i don't think we need one. need another one. >> think we need another >> i don't think we need another bank holiday i'm going

>> i don't think we need another babe holiday i'm going >> i don't think we need another babe holid does i'm going >> i don't think we need another babe holid does anyone going to be like, does anyone agree with think if surely with me here? i think if surely you about this is about the third week running where i've done nobody done my monologue and nobody i've >> the sun. >> the sun. >> so m— >> right. so why wouldn't you want a bank holiday in the summer? >> who wants to sit there? summer? >> they wants to sit there? summer? >> they wants to sit: there? summer? >> they wants to sit: ihere? summer? >> they wants to sit: i want >> they want to sit in. i want bank in the summer. bank holidays in the summer. >> them in the winter. >> i want them in the winter. i want them in the autumn. i want as bank holidays that as many bank holidays that i couldn't argument as many bank holidays that i cothat't argument as many bank holidays that i cothat my argument argument as many bank holidays that i cothat my argument ithatnent as many bank holidays that i cothat my argument (that ifnt is that my argument is that if you little bit in the you invest a little bit in the health the well—being of health and the well—being of people's, um, mentality and jeremy their jeremy corbyn and their physicality, then you wouldn't have so many sick days. >> just have >> but you just you just have a more be sitting in your more days to be sitting in your house thinking about how woe is more days to be sitting in your housno1inking about how woe is more days to be sitting in your housno better| about how woe is more days to be sitting in your housno better off out how woe is more days to be sitting in your housno better off keeping woe is me. no better off keeping yourself busy doing yourself busy and doing stuff. >> said in my >> no, as i said in my monologue, be the steam >> no, as i said in my monoli'dre, be the steam >> no, as i said in my monoli'd be be the steam >> no, as i said in my monoli'd be training the steam >> no, as i said in my monoli'd be training in the steam >> no, as i said in my monoli'd be training in the; steam gym. >> your resolutions, i doubt it. i'll do a deal. i'll do you a deal. >> i'll you a deal. have >> i'll do you a deal. i'll have 100% tax for 100% inheritance tax to pay for your holidays. how's your extra bank holidays. how's that? you. your extra bank holidays. how's tha i'll you. your extra bank holidays. how's tha i'll just you. your extra bank holidays. how's tha i'll just go u. your extra bank holidays. how's tha i'll just go to dubai or >> i'll just go to dubai or somewhere. >> the one argument >> do you know the one argument that say a bank that i would say for a new bank houday that i would say for a new bank holiday bank holiday? holiday or a moved bank holiday? because loads in in because we have loads in in a couple of months, a cluster of them, stupid, but couple of months, a cluster of tithink stupid, but couple of months, a cluster of tithink bank stupid, but couple of months, a cluster of tithink bank holidayrpid, but couple of months, a cluster of tithink bank holiday for, but couple of months, a cluster of tithink bank holiday for thet i think a bank holiday for the anniversary of the queen's death i think a bank holiday for the arone rsary of the queen's death i think a bank holiday for the arone that of the queen's death i think a bank holiday for the arone that i)f the queen's death i think a bank holiday for the arone that i would queen's death i think a bank holiday for the arone that i would celebrate. ath is one that i would celebrate. i think queen

think there should be a queen elizabeth, day elizabeth, saint george's day should be one because you're right. >> that makes sense. wouldn't be too about i think. too happy about that, i think. >> think we should have an >> i think we should have an elizabeth day. >> i think we should have an elizareth day. >> i think we should have an elizareth can day. >> i think we should have an elizareth can i day. >> i think we should have an elizareth can i askay. >> i think we should have an elizareth can i ask you about >> are we? can i ask you about something? mentioned something? i mentioned their seasonal affective disorder, which apparently affects 2 million the million people in the uk. i think a genuine mean, think it's a genuine i mean, i'm not i depressed not saying i get depressed in winter, worse if you winter, but it's worse if you have darker skin. really? yes. obviously um, taking have darker skin. really? yes. obviot because um, taking have darker skin. really? yes. obviot because you're um, taking in the because you're not, you're you're in you're not, you're not taking in as of the, of the nutrients as much of the, of the nutrients that get bit. that you get a bit. >> no. does it get worse the darker are? darker you are? >> i think it might do. darker you are? >> i think it might do . explains >> i think it might do. explains your mood . your mood. >> do you get down in winter? uh, yes. >> i do get down in winter. and i think you've got to remedy that with with good exercise, making sure you're taking your vitamin really vitamin d every day and really just getting on with things. i don't to down don't think you need to be down in doldrums, working. don't think you need to be down in needldrums, working. don't think you need to be down in need to ums, working. don't think you need to be down in need to be ;, working. don't think you need to be down in need to be ;, there king. don't think you need to be down in need to be ;, there doing you need to be out there doing things, getting much sun as things, getting as much sun as possible possible. possible where it is possible. but there's getting but there's obe getting one of those lamps. but there's obe getting one of tho and lamps. but there's obe getting one of tho and lan be but there's obe getting one of tho and lanbe honest, i think >> and let's be honest, i think the january misery is partly because the weather is so rubbish, people rubbish, but also people have got no left after got no money left after christmas debt has christmas, so i think debt has a lot do with it.

lot to do with it. >> of course it does. >> of course it does. >> yeah, and we're all in that debt spending debt because of the spending that to that your labour party want to bnng that your labour party want to bring back. bring it back. >> yeah. what >> yeah. i think what will happen you know risk >> god you know i'm so at risk of debt. i keep turning up on this show. >> right. that's wonderful this show. >> rt0|t. that's wonderful this show. >> rt0|t. thaton. wonderful this show. >> rt0|t. thaton. thanks'ful this show. >> rt0|t. thaton. thanks tol this show. >> rt0|t. thaton. thanks to our note to end it on. thanks to our wonderful guests tonight, my second first wonderful guests tonight, my se myd first wonderful guests tonight, my se myd nana. first wonderful guests tonight, my semyd nana. nana first wonderful guests tonight, my semyd nana. nana akua. is my actual nana. nana akua. next up though, it's the brilliant leo kearse with the saturday night showdown. cheers for we'll see you for watching. we'll see you again year. new again next year. happy new year everyone i tomorrow everyone! tomorrow >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsor of weather on gb news is . on gb news is. >> hello there, welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast i'm craig snell. well looking ahead to new year's eve for most of going to end 2023 on of us we're going to end 2023 on a shary note. and for a fairly shary note. and for some in the south it's still going be blustery. so going to be pretty blustery. so as we end saturday we've still got area of low pressure got this area of low pressure really proceeding. really dominating, proceeding. and will and this cold front will continue to spread its way eastwards across the country. some fairly heavy rain on it and

some strong and gusty winds. it will quite slow moving will become quite slow moving across the far north of across the very far north of scotland we go through the scotland as we go through the course then behind course of the night, then behind it mixture of clear it it is a mixture of clear spells a scattering spells and a scattering of showers . in the clearer it showers. in the clearer skies it will quite chilly , but i will turn quite chilly, but i think us frost away think most of us frost free away from scotland, so into new year's eve any overnight rain will quickly clear the far east of england. and for many of us it's mixture of sunny spells it's a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers. of and scattered showers. some of the showers , especially come the the showers, especially come the afternoon, will be heavy and thundery, but . the afternoon, will be heavy and thundery, but. the rain afternoon, will be heavy and thundery, but . the rain across thundery, but. the rain across the very far north of scotland , the very far north of scotland, especially for shetland, really just staying there all day for many a slightly cooler day than today , but still not doing too today, but still not doing too badly for the time of year. looking ahead to new year's day for many northern areas, it's a mixture of some bright spells, but a scattering showers once but a scattering of showers once again. a much again. further south, a much dner again. further south, a much drier day, brief drier and brighter day, a brief respite the weather before respite in the weather before unfortunately comes respite in the weather before unlater1ately comes respite in the weather before unlater onely comes respite in the weather before unlater on in comes respite in the weather before unlater on in the comes respite in the weather before unlater on in the and:omes respite in the weather before unlater on in the and that s in later on in the day and that

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showdown discussing all tonight's topics with me are my brilliant panel. joining me tonight are paul cox, diane spencer and lewis oakley. but first, let's get your latest news and headlines from sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. new year's plans have been ruined for thousands of people after eurostar cancelled all trains to and from london, causing travel chaos, the company apologised after a tunnel was flooded , after a tunnel was flooded, apparently caused by a burst pipe apparently caused by a burst pipe connected to the fire safety system . up to 35,000 safety system. up to 35,000 passengers have been affected,

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