>> good evening. it's 7:00. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the queen of denmark has shocked the nation , has shocked the nation, announcing in her new year's message that she'll vacate the throne. queen margaret the second has reigned for more than half a century. she made the announcement on live television moments ago. she's due to step down on the 14th of january, exactly 52 years after she took the throne in 1972. she'll be succeeded by her son, crown prince friedrich rishi sunak. struck an optimistic tone in his new year message, promising a brighter future with tax cuts and a reduction in national insurance. he described 2023 as a momentous year which saw inflation halved and record investor in nhs. that's despite junior doctors in england planning their longest walkout

in nhs history next month. the prime minister says his new year's resolution is to keep driving forward . driving forward. >> inflation is set to fall further cutting the cost of living for everyone and we're not stopping there. we're going further to grow our economy by reducing debt, cutting taxes and rewarding hard work , building rewarding hard work, building secure supplies of energy here at home, backing british business and delivering world class education. meanwhile . the class education. meanwhile. the labour leader says the power to shape the future of britain rests in everyone hands. >> sir keir starmer's message offered a preview of his party's election campaign, saying 2024 needs to give britain its future back in the labour party. >> we've been building to this for four years. we're confident we have a plan that can move our country forward , end the cost of country forward, end the cost of living crisis, take back our streets , get the nhs back on its

streets, get the nhs back on its feet, cheaper energy bills for your home, more opportunities for your children . for your children. >> the family of a mother and her son who were killed in an avalanche in the french alps, say their beyond heartbroken kate vokes, who was 54, died when an avalanche swept through an off piste ski slope on mont blanc on thursday . her 22 year blanc on thursday. her 22 year old son archie, was also killed . old son archie, was also killed. he had achieved his level one ski instructor qualification just a year earlier. there family asked for privacy, saying the tragic accident had left a hole in their lives as britons new year celebrations are still a few hours away, but the party has already started in other parts of the . world. happy new parts of the. world. happy new year to india, hong kong as well as japan, taiwan , thailand and as japan, taiwan, thailand and australia, hong kong celebrated with a huge fireworks display over victoria harbour in front

of hundreds of thousands of people , while in australia, the people, while in australia, the famous harbour bridge and sydney opera house were alight with colours and sparkle , all this is colours and sparkle, all this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play . gb news usa boxing saying play. gb news usa boxing allows for transgender women to compete against female boxers, and venice issues a cap on the number of tourists allowed to its city. >> this is free speech nation . >> this is free speech nation. on. welcome to free speech nafion on. welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. this is the show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and politics. tonight is a bit different because we do have different because we do not have an audience because it's new year's eve, and who would come out year's eve. but out on new year's eve. but coming up on the show tonight, i sat with family law sat down with family law barrister phillimore to barrister sarah phillimore to discuss brand discuss the russell brand controversy . kc. going to

controversy. kc. we're going to see of that interview. see a clip of that interview. also. john cleese gives us an insight into his life and career outside of gb news. david oldroyd bolt gives us a look back on in culture and back on the year in culture and the arts of course, me and the arts and of course, me and my fantastic panel. we'll still be answering questions even though have a studio though we don't have a studio audience. do questions audience. we do have questions coming crossed. all coming in. fingers crossed. all that and much, much more tonight on speech nation my on free speech nation with my wonderful studio guests cressida wetton and jonathan cogan . feels wetton and jonathan cogan. feels odd, doesn't it, to be the odd, doesn't it, to be in the room without the crowds .7 room without the crowds? >> i miss them? >> does i miss them? >> does i miss them? >> yeah >> do you? yeah >> do you? yeah >> about you, john? waking >> what about you, john? waking up to some crowd work finally tonight and now. >> we can't use it. now we >> now we can't use it. now we can't do but have can't do it. but you do have your new year's eve prosecco. >> i've got a bottle of, uh, 2000 2002 prosecco. i doubt 2000 and 2002 prosecco. i doubt it's 22. it's 2002, 22, 22. >> i don't think we'd >> exactly. i don't think we'd splash out vintage, if i'm splash out on vintage, if i'm absolutely honest. >> flavoured wine. >> flavoured drinking wine. >> flavoured drinking wine. >> don't you crack that baby >> flavoured drinking wine. >> let'sl't you crack that baby >> flavoured drinking wine. >> let's do (ou crack that baby >> flavoured drinking wine. >> let's do it. crack that baby open? let's do it. >> it's new year's eve. >> it's new year's eve. >> year's eve. >> it's new year's eve. absolutely um. and, uh, i've got my. you've got your. i've got my buck's nice. buck's fizz and very nice. cressida's drinking cressida's not drinking because

she she does. now, she gets violent. she does. now, uh, got some topics to uh, we have got some topics to chat about while . jonathan is chat about while. jonathan is attempting to open that in a really inept way. >> i've had a manicure. >> i've had a manicure. >> you, uh. okay we're going to start with this story. this is about usa boxing, which is about a usa boxing, which is allowing transgender women to compete against female boxers in 2024, means 2024, and their new policy means that i. oh >> good. carry on. are you okay? >> yeah. the cork went in your eye. >> yeah, it's all right. i've had worse from cressida. all right. >> absolutely. uh, let me get back to story. so boxers who back to the story. so boxers who identify as trans will be allowed the category allowed to fight in the category of choice. however they of their choice. however they must criteria, must meet a certain criteria, which gender which includes completing gender reassignment regular reassignment surgery, regular hormone testing and declaring a new identity. so should men who identify as women be allowed to compete against biological women? that is really the question . and cressida, you're question. and cressida, you're probably the best to probably the best place to answer this because you're a boxer. i'm i'm a i'm not boxer. >> you're a woman. it does explain the drinking, as you

said earlier. um, yeah. i mean, it's just it's just, um, ridiculous. thank you. jonathan. no worries. regret this later. i will uh . it's no worries. regret this later. i will uh. it's mad, no worries. regret this later. i will uh . it's mad, isn't it? will do, uh. it's mad, isn't it? because these people have been through puberty. yes through a male puberty. yes i mean, obviously, it can go both ways . are who want ways. there are women who want to men who can i'm to become men who can box. i'm less concerned about them. >> there's chance of, >> well, there's less chance of, um, broken skulls. yeah i mean, it's really interesting. was that, uh, emma who was a fighter? fallon fox ? fighter? fallon fox? >> yes. in the mma. ufc. >> yeah. well, anyway, a guy who identifies as female , um, identifies as female, um, boasting fracturing boasting about fracturing women's skulls on online, you know , that's what that's the know, that's what that's the kind of thing we're dealing with just from a physical standpoint. >> really does seem to be an >> it really does seem to be an unfair advantage to, you know, i mean, stating the obvious, mean, it's stating the obvious, isn't it? >> particularly, you know, >> but particularly, you know, we've discussions we've had these discussions about various you about various sports and, you know, case know, there might be a case with, say, equestrian sports where horse does the where the horse does all the work you know, car work or, you know, the car things. are they called things. what are they called racing games? >> chess . there was >> i had in chess. there was some issue with, uh, transgender players, uh, male female, players, uh, male to female, joining women's only joining women's women's only tournaments there some

tournaments. and there was some controversy really? yeah controversy there. really? yeah not bit, as in, i not even a bit, as in, i actually i feel like there's a punch line coming. >> do i. >> yeah. so do i. >> there other pieces >> are there other pieces particularly heavy about queen? >> don't know, i mean yeah, >> i don't know, i mean yeah, but doesn't make sense. but that doesn't make sense. >> mean is that if >> that's what i mean is that if you you're talking about, you if you're talking about, let's say chess still controversy there. but why chess? horse chess? backgammon, darts, horse racing, chess? backgammon, darts, horse raci|can understand why why you can understand why why segregating by sex wouldn't really a difference. but really make a difference. but i think sex think segregating by for sex boxing where boxing in particular, where people kicking hell people are kicking the hell out of other. of each other. >> absolutely. i mean, that people in boxing people are segregated in boxing anyway, aren't by the way? anyway, aren't they, by the way? so heavy heavyweights, is anyway, aren't they, by the way? that one heavyweight lightweight? you start lightweight? and if you start with bigger, broader shoulders and a larger fist? yeah it just doesn't make sense. so it's going to be the end of women's sport. and i don't know why they've dropped out yet, but i was talking to sharon davis about this the other day yesterday, fact. yesterday, in fact. >> it's interesting >> and it's very interesting because one what i asked her was, know, this something was, you know, this is something that no one i know thinks this is we're is sensible. you know, we're talking about of the

talking about 99.999% of the country recognise that we segregate a reason by segregate sports for a reason by sex, that's the fair sex, and that that's the fair way it. it's only a tiny way to do it. it's only a tiny minority of activists who think that there is kind of that there is any kind of credence this idea. and yet, credence to this idea. and yet, jonathan, those activists appear credence to this idea. and yet, jorbe1an, those activists appear credence to this idea. and yet, jorbe dominating ctivists appear credence to this idea. and yet, jorbe dominating ctiviststhejear to be dominating all of the major sporting bodies. >> think that's through >> do you think that's through fear of repercussion, do fear of repercussion, or do you think deliberate think there's a deliberate attempt to kind of march through these don't these institutions? i don't know, baffled by it. >> i'm genuinely baffled. >> i'm genuinely baffled. >> you see the south park >> did you see the south park parody when had, parody of this when they had, um, was ric ric flair or no, um, was a ric ric flair or no, it was a it was a big, burly wrestler, a different wrestler. um, compete in the strongwoman competition beating the. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. exactly and that years ago now. that was a few years ago now. yeah, actually yeah, yeah. and it's actually come true. i mean, that's, you know, scary okay. know, it's scary stuff. okay. well move on the next well let's move to on the next story. so on this year's new year's new year's honours list is amanda blank. the is amanda blank. this is the boss of aviva. was boss of aviva. she was recognised for her services to business, equality and business, gender equality and net though she net zero, even though she insists on personally approving all senior white male recruits. she has actually received a damehood now , so cressida , what

damehood now, so cressida, what do you think about this? i like that she's called amanda blank. i think that's funny. >> great. >> great. >> it's deliberate. >> i think it's deliberate. >> i think it's deliberate. >> i think when i go to use aviva, i'm going to sure aviva, i'm going to make sure that a white man to serve that i get a white man to serve me because we know been me because we know he's been through a more rigorous recruitment process. okay, everybody else. >> yeah. so should she have had the damehood? >> i don't think she should. no, i think is a bad move on i think this is a bad move on her part. yeah >> okay. what do you make of this, jonathan? because it's these peerages and these honours. you it seems to honours. you know, it seems to be of cronyism going on be a bit of cronyism going on a lot the time. lot of the time. >> i wonder whether this was sort works before this sort of in the works before this controversy came out, because if not, brilliantly. not, she's timed it brilliantly. she's be she's like, i'm gonna be completely to completely incendiary to a large, um, portion of the population. and get population. and then get a damehood. doesn't damehood. yeah, but she doesn't think being incendiary. think she's being incendiary. >> she thinks, what she's doing is she's she thinks she's is no, she's she thinks she's pushing equality what is no, she's she thinks she's pushinghappensality what is no, she's she thinks she's pushinghappens aty what is no, she's she thinks she's pushinghappens at the what is no, she's she thinks she's pushinghappens at the levelat is no, she's she thinks she's pushinghappens at the level of always happens at the level of the organisation, they proudly tell you about their prejudices and going and the fact that they're going to discriminate. >> then when down to >> and then when it gets down to the individual level, they say, oh, everybody's here merit. oh, everybody's here on merit.

but can't both, can it? but it can't be both, can it? >> don't they go back >> why don't they just go back to merit? why don't why don't you best people you just hire the best people for job? you'll for the job? and what you'll find that get diversity find is that you get diversity quite naturally. i would have thought. >> idea. >> great idea. >> great idea. >> i'm genius, you know. >> yeah, i'm a genius, you know. i've solved it. i've totally solved it. >> racist. >> don't be racist. >> don't be racist. >> oh, yeah? well, that's the other she's saying other thing. if she's saying that all of the people who were employing within employing people within her company it by her company need to run it by her first she can check, she first so she can check, she presumably that she has presumably thinks that she has a bunch working bunch of racists working at aviva. mean, aviva. that's true. i mean, that's the implication. >> it'd be if she's like, >> it'd be funny if she's like, yep' >> it'd be funny if she's like, yep, white man, get him in, get him in. maybe that was the thing. >> w what she meant. >> maybe that's what she meant. yeah, she wants more white men. maybe is. okay. yeah, she wants more white men. maybinow, is. okay. yeah, she wants more white men. maybinow, if is. okay. yeah, she wants more white men. maybinow, if you is. okay. yeah, she wants more white men. maybinow, if you were ;. okay. yeah, she wants more white men. maybinow, if you were planning right now, if you were planning a big group trip to italy next yean a big group trip to italy next year, have to check your year, you may have to check your group because venice is group size because venice is limiting the amount of tourists to city. it's the to its city. it's capping the groups 25 per group. groups to 25 people per group. that's and this, that's the cap. and this, apparently, to the apparently, is to ease the pressure mass and pressure of mass tourism. and earlier number of earlier this year, the number of beds tourists surpassed the beds for tourists surpassed the number venetians living number of venetians living there. so popular city, there. so it's a popular city, jonathan. it's i've actually never venice .

never been to venice. >> been. you? >> i've been. have you? i've been yeah. been twice, actually. yeah. have you everywhere? been you been everywhere? i've been everywhere, man. >> you're globetrotter. >> yeah. you're a globetrotter. but think? what do but what do you think? what do you make of this? i mean, well, but what do you think? what do you similarityhis? i mean, well, but what do you think? what do you similarity between an, well, but what do you think? what do you similarity between venice l, one similarity between venice and disney is that you get very sick if you drink the water there. >> i've done both. is that right? yeah. do not drink the water. and small world. water. and it's a small world. and got duper and i got super duper gonorrhoea, and it took me a long time to get out of it. you got gonorrhoea? the super duper gonorrhoea. got gonorrhoea? the super duper goroh, oea. got gonorrhoea? the super duper goroh, blimey. i hope >> oh, blimey. yeah, i hope disney apologised for that. >> they've got their >> um, well, they've got their own problems at the moment. >> absolutely. they do. yes. >> what do i think. do they think should groups? think they should limit groups? i if it is the only way i mean if, if it is the only way to save the integrity of the tourist within the tourist industry within the city, then so. i mean, city, then i guess so. i mean, i don't 25 people who's don't know, 25 people who's travelling venice. don't know, 25 people who's tra\yeah,i venice. don't know, 25 people who's tra\yeah, it venice. don't know, 25 people who's tra\yeah, it is’enice. don't know, 25 people who's tra\yeah, it is a1ice. don't know, 25 people who's tra\yeah, it is a big. don't know, 25 people who's tra\yeah, it is a big group >> yeah, it is a big group picturing massive stag do or a picturing a massive stag do or a whole rugby team or something. who that many friends? who has that many friends? >> i don't know. and >> well, i don't know. and presumably can have presumably can you have 100 smaller don't know how smaller groups? i don't know how the do they know it's like covid, >> do they know it's like covid, you say like, these aren't >> do they know it's like covid, youfriends.e, these aren't >> do they know it's like covid, youfriends. i've these aren't >> do they know it's like covid, youfriends. i've just se aren't >> do they know it's like covid, youfriends. i've just happened my friends. i've just happened to be in the next to them.

to be in the pub next to them. >> it does kind of make >> but it does kind of make sense you sense insofar as to give you an analogy, if go an art analogy, if i go to an art gallery they've let too many gallery and they've let too many people you can't see the people in and you can't see the paintings, that does annoy me. people in and you can't see the painings, that does annoy me. people in and you can't see the painings, ofat does annoy me. people in and you can't see the painings, of think s annoy me. people in and you can't see the painings, of think like noy me. people in and you can't see the painings, of think like the me. and i sort of think like the uffizi gallery in florence, they do and when go do have a limit. and when you go in it's quite in there, it's always quite quiet because they, which is what you need do. whereas quiet because they, which is what i)u need do. whereas quiet because they, which is what i wented do. whereas quiet because they, which is what i went to do. whereas quiet because they, which is what i went to d louvrereas quiet because they, which is what i went to d louvre and if when i went to the louvre and if you try and look at mona you try and look at the mona lisa louvre, about lisa in the louvre, forget about it. i mean, it's you swamped it. i mean, it's you are swamped and mostly it's people holding their a photo their phones up to get a photo of the mona lisa. it's right there. it. you're there. you can see it. you're looking to looking at it. you don't need to take it. and it's take a picture of it. and it's so rude to the photographers, isn't think you can >> as if you think you can compete all the pictures on compete with all the pictures on the yeah, buy a postcard in >> yeah, just buy a postcard in the because the gift shop because i can guarantee better guarantee that will be a better picture than the one you take on guarantee that will be a better pictusamsung. a one you take on guarantee that will be a better pictusamsung. maybeou take on guarantee that will be a better pictusamsung. maybeou tipeople guarantee that will be a better pictldomsung. maybe ou tipeople guarantee that will be a better pictldo go jng. maybeou tipeople guarantee that will be a better pictldo go tol. maybeou tipeople guarantee that will be a better pictldo go tol. maybeou “are ople that do go to venice now are going to become, of. going to become, uh, sort of. >> they're going have bigger >> they're going to have bigger budgets. maybe it's going to become budgets. maybe it's going to beccan get a gondola? >> can you get 25 on a gondola? >> can you get 25 on a gondola? >> i don't know, six, i think. >> i don't know, six, i think. >> what is? >> is that what it is? >> is that what it is? >> and my mom >> we did a gondola and my mom wasn't it or >> we did a gondola and my mom was because it or >> we did a gondola and my mom was because it it or >> we did a gondola and my mom was because it was it or >> we did a gondola and my mom wasbecause it was quite it or not because it was quite expensive. we ended doing not because it was quite exin nsive. we ended doing not because it was quite exin the e. we ended doing not because it was quite exin the last we ended doing not because it was quite exin the last night ended doing not because it was quite exin the last night anded doing not because it was quite exin the last night and all, doing it in the last night and all, she said. time around she said. the whole time around was, she was, it's so magical. but she

said about 28 times and by the end lost. end of it, it really lost. it's sort yeah, annoying. sort of yeah, it got annoying. >> a gondola a cox? >> does a gondola have a cox? pardon know, one pardon me. um, you know, one sitting shouting sitting at the end shouting stroke. because there's only >> no, no, because there's only one. to one. they don't need to be in time your cock. time to stroke your cock. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> at fm” e the boat. no. >> helps one no. >> one with the >> and he helps the one with the big pole. i the one with the big pole. lot double >> there's a lot of double entendre going on here, so i think definitely move think we should definitely move on. uh, this now, on. uh, at this point now, 175,000 people have been asked to why to take part in a poll about why the royal exists. it's the royal family exists. it's quite poll to quite an interesting poll to commission. this was actually commissioned by the government asking random households for their and their opinion on the royals and their opinion on the royals and the participants will receive a £10 gift voucher as a thank you . £10 gift voucher as a thank you. the know if it the queen, i don't know if it will have a picture of the queen that doesn't but that doesn't say, but the results being released this summer . results being released this summer. think an odd poll summer. i think it's an odd poll to put out there anyway, but what do you think, jonathan? just on basis of just on the basis of republicanism versus monarchism , republicanism versus monarchism, do you believe that there should be a royal family >> a question. i've >> it's a big question. i've changed my stance on this a few times i remember changed my stance on this a few times like i remember changed my stance on this a few times like 18 i remember changed my stance on this a few times like 18 and i remember changed my stance on this a few times like 18 and being'emember being like 18 and being like, it's ridiculous. why it's completely ridiculous. why do have and do we even have this? and then when think about it, when you think about it, everything is ridiculous. everything to everything i mean, not to get to foucault, everything is

foucault, but everything is a bit so do think foucault, but everything is a bi brings so do think foucault, but everything is a bi brings value? so do think foucault, but everything is a bi brings value? it'sdo think foucault, but everything is a bi brings value? it's kind hink foucault, but everything is a bi brings value? it's kind of|k it brings value? it's kind of funny , gives express funny, gives the express something what something to write about what they um yeah. they do. that's true. um yeah. i mean, do i think we need them? as long as they don't , you know, as long as they don't, you know, tell me what to do, and they just stop in their ivory towers and their their ginger children . and their their ginger children. just good luck them. just good luck to them. >> the old >> i quite like the old fashioned monarchy where they off with their heads. yeah the ones who could have you executed if you you sort of. i think if you if you sort of. i think we should get a mad king back a mad king? we should get a mad king back a ma yeah, ? king the third. >> $- @ third. yeah. one >> george the third. yeah. one of them. yeah. don't you think that better system that would be a better system of super gonorrhoea super duper gonorrhoea if i'm not mistaken? because is democracy ? wouldn't democracy working? wouldn't a royaldon't mean, tend >> i don't know, i mean, i tend to back on economics to fall back on economics because people say , uh, you because people say, uh, you know, in wealth know, they bring in more wealth than cost us. how do we than they cost us. how do we know? how do we know? and i think, well, the people selling those corgis on those plates with corgis on would wouldn't would be disappointed, wouldn't they, if the royal family were taken away? that is true. >> the >> and if you walk down the mall and all and around there, there's all these and these gifts you can buy and street sorts. street vendors and all sorts. >> want some royal yeah, >> want some royal tat? yeah, that's true, but our industry relies . relies on them. >> it does. but you know, one of

the best arguments heard the best arguments i've heard against actually the best arguments i've heard agai it's actually the best arguments i've heard agai it's quite actually the best arguments i've heard agai it's quite to actually that it's quite cruel to the people , insofar as these people in it, insofar as these are people who have been born through own through no fault of their own into circumstance, into this circumstance, where they be on duty all the they have to be on duty all the time, they have to go around opening shopping centres. they're constantly in the public glare. never have glare. nothing they never have privacy. that this argument privacy. and that this argument really is actually it's a form of to, to, to, sustain . of abuse to, to, to, to sustain. >> saying is meghan markle had a point . point. >> maybe she did have a point. >> maybe she did have a point. >> to do it. >> chose to do it. >> no that's different. yeah. >> kate's so special because she's to do she's she's didn't have to do it. and here she is smashing it. >> she is smashing it. >> yeah she is smashing it. >> yeah she is smashing it. >> she chose to >> but i think she just chose to marry. but i would say like >> yeah. but i would say like wills were into wills and harry were born into it. exactly it. yeah. exactly >> but someone diana, it. yeah. exactly >> but s(like,ne diana, it. yeah. exactly >> but s(like,ne actually,, it. yeah. exactly >> but s(like,ne actually, no, it. yeah. exactly >> bu didlike, ne actually, no, it. yeah. exactly >> budid marry�* actually, no, it. yeah. exactly >> budid marry into tually, no, it. yeah. exactly >> budid marry into tua butno, diana did marry into it, but she was really from an early age sort condition in sort of condition and to be in that position. someone like that position. but someone like charles, like elizabeth, charles, someone like elizabeth, you people. you know, these are the people. is it actually abusive to expect you know, these are the people. is it aclujoi abusive to expect you know, these are the people. is it actu'to gorusive to expect you know, these are the people. is it actu'to go through expect you know, these are the people. is it actu'to go through thatzct someone to go through that and look, danish . look, we've just had the danish. uh, prime minister, not danish queen stepping down. uh, and

she's been she's been doing that for decades. >> well, she's left it to her son, though, hasn't she? so it's. yes. it's still. >> but clearly had enough. >> not king ralph. yes. she's had >> not king ralph. yes. she's hacking ralph haven't thought >> king ralph i haven't thought of that for years. of that film for years. >> got a club in to >> so they just got a club in to have a go, right? >> yeah. >> em- 5 john goodman. >> that's right, john goodman. >> that's right, john goodman. >> having a go, jonathan, >> fancy having a go, jonathan, have seen king ralph? have you seen king ralph? >> but like john >> yeah. uh, no, but i like john goodman. in it. goodman. yeah, he's in it. >> the king of >> okay. he becomes the king of england in king ralph . england in king ralph. >> anyway, about the >> anyway, that's about the extent. >> that's about it. okay, well, uh, next on free speech nation, i down with, i think one of

let's who have we got? joe biden, actually, no. he's . biden, actually, no. he's. welcome back to this new year's eve free speech nation. >> now earlier this year, the comedian russell brand found himself in hot water after channel 4 released their investigation on him. russell brand had been posting videos on his platform rumble, but then an mp sent a letter to the site raising concerns that he could profit from those videos. now,

this was a very interesting story. so i sat down with family law barrister and co—founder of the campaign group fair cop. sarah phillimore , and we sarah phillimore, and we discussed this a lot of people have reacted very badly to this. theidea have reacted very badly to this. the idea of a conservative mp writing to rumble and basically putting pressure on them to suggest that he ought to be demonetised. what did you make of ? of that letter? >> along a lot of >> well, i, along with a lot of other people, thought it was appalling. it appalling. i thought it was state overreach interference state overreach and interference . ithen state overreach and interference . i then went on to have some very conversations very interesting conversations with social media with people on social media going, oh, don't be silly, an mp is the state. is not an agent of the state. this was just was just, this was just a this was just, you know , was just a casual you know, it was just a casual inquiry , you know, having inquiry, you know, having a little chat. said, little chat. and i said, look, it's on paper with the portcullis . yes. it says from portcullis. yes. it says from the uk parliament. i mean, rumble certainly thought it was a missive from the state. of course. and wasn't just course. and it wasn't just rumble, was youtube, rumble, was it? it was youtube, it was facebook, was news. it was facebook, it was gb news. it . it was everybody. >> everywhere. now >> it went everywhere. now youtube demonetise youtube did actually demonetise russell is russell brand. now this is a well was that, well rumble's point was that, you know, this is someone who hasn't been charged, hasn't gone

through process , there through due process, there hasn't trial. so for them hasn't been a trial. so for them to assume guilt would be to bypass all of our fundamental values comes to legal pi'ocess. >> process. >> right. again, some of the arguments i was having no , she arguments i was having no, she hasn't assumed guilt. don't be silly. she used the word silly. well, she used the word victims, she talked silly. well, she used the word victim people she talked silly. well, she used the word victim people being;he talked silly. well, she used the word victim people being upset ked silly. well, she used the word victim people being upset byi about people being upset by inappropriate behaviour. i think the word allegation slipped in there somewhere . but no, i think there somewhere. but no, i think you're right. you're absolutely right. this was of guilt. was an assumption of guilt. therefore a correct punishment is his contact or is to remove his contact or demonetise yes and that i am demonetise it. yes and that i am just flabbergast that people think that that is acceptable , think that that is acceptable, because what they're doing is focusing an individual that focusing on an individual that they and we can't they don't like, and we can't speculate the allegations. speculate about the allegations. but from what i've but of course, from what i've heard, as though he heard, it looks as though he has crossed a criminal line on a number of occasions . the number of occasions. the question what do do with question is, what do we do with that information? is that actually going to dealt with actually going to be dealt with in where it in a criminal court where it should be, or is it going to be deau should be, or is it going to be dealt with in the of dealt with in the court of twitter? should twitter? yes. well, we should emphasise criminality whatsoever. >> ultimately , and he is as >> so ultimately, and he is as entitled to due process as everyone else, isn't he? i mean,

this that just he's everyone else, isn't he? i mean, ticelebrity, at just he's everyone else, isn't he? i mean, ticelebrity, we ust he's everyone else, isn't he? i mean, ticelebrity, we can he's everyone else, isn't he? i mean, ticelebrity, we can weighe's everyone else, isn't he? i mean, ticelebrity, we can weigh in a celebrity, we can all weigh in with i mean, we with our opinion? i mean, we haven't seen the evidence. we don't haven't seen the evidence. we dorit's something so ugly has >> it's something so ugly has been happening in the last couple of days on my timeline , couple of days on my timeline, certainly because it seems to be boiling down the fact where boiling down to the fact where he's he can just for he's rich. he can just sue for libel. he's not going to libel. well, he's not going to be that rich you've be that rich if you've completely him from completely prevented him from earning there's earning a living. and there's well, you know, believe the well, you know, you believe the victims. a rape victims. i've been called a rape apologist. now countless times saying oh it was a saying dispatches. oh it was a wonderful investigation. well dispatches form. i mean , dispatches has form. i mean, they did a previous documentary about family justice system, about the family justice system, something out and something i know inside out and that was an impressive piece that was not an impressive piece of journalism . um, but the of journalism. um, but the bottom line remains. it's a one sided investor aggression into the of people with the accounts of people with a particular narrative . i particular narrative. i understand that brand was given eight to respond to eight days to respond to allegations that went back almost . now, that isn't almost a decade. now, that isn't fair. that isn't right. and for people to say, well, he's horrible, he's slimy. i don't like he looks. we'll like the way he looks. we'll think about christopher jefferies basically jefferies. he was basically called and

called a murderer and a paedophile because he had odd hair. yeah, it's just it was on the front cover of papers and all sorts of things, and it's just so frightening. it's not just so frightening. it's not just that people are content for this to happen . they're actively this to happen. they're actively cheerleading for it. and that's where i just begin to feel very, very frightened because , okay, very frightened because, okay, it's fine when it's somebody you don't like . but but what happens don't like. but but what happens if it's your brother, your husband, your father? so are we moving into a culture where people are just assuming guilt? >> or has this come about? >> or is has this come about? maybe. i just to give the maybe. i mean, just to give the other know, we do live other side, you know, we do live in a country where rape convictions a lot convictions are very low. a lot of can't go of women feel they can't even go to they know of women feel they can't even go to the they know of women feel they can't even go to the odds they know of women feel they can't even go to the odds of they know of women feel they can't even go to the odds of their they know of women feel they can't even go to the odds of their case know that the odds of their case getting to court are pretty much infinitesimal. this infinitesimal. yeah. so, so this idea of believe the complaint aren't even though they use the word victim , they mean word victim, they mean complainant. there's complainant. um there's a there's an under you can understand why people want to. >> there's an >> absolutely. there's an inevitable against inevitable backlash against a criminal justice system which has and is failing. why has failed and is failing. why it's failing is another massive question. part of the reason

it's failing is it's been systemically starved of resources for over 20 years. so l, resources for over 20 years. so i, i don't for a moment doubt that women feel, well, there's no point in taking this to the police. it will drag on for years. i'm going to be treated like crap. i'm going to have to hand phone. entire hand over my phone. my entire digital that's digital history revealed. that's true. that true. but that doesn't mean that what for what people are advocating for now good, because what now is good, because what they're advocating for now will hurt each and every one of us. any one of us could the any one of us could be the victim false victim of a malicious or false accusation . now. accusation. now. >> well, activists will say the false allegations are incredibly rare . and if we don't believe rare. and if we don't believe people who make these allegations, making it allegations, we're making it harder for other people have been. >> they may rare, they're >> they may be rare, but they're not impossible. >> they may be rare, but they're not impc at ble. >> they may be rare, but they're not impc at eleanor williams. >> look at eleanor williams. i myself have subject myself have been the subject of false accusations . false and malicious accusations. and are people going to turn around to me and say, well, sue them for libel then? >> we saw this with >> so, i mean, we saw this with operation midland, where you had an up an absolute fantasist making up lies about leading political figures that , i mean, i saw him figures that, i mean, i saw him and knew it was false, and i was surprised that people could potentially even have believed

it a second. scotland potentially even have believed it came:ond. scotland potentially even have believed it came out. scotland potentially even have believed it came out and scotland potentially even have believed it came out and saidtland potentially even have believed it came out and said they were yard came out and said they were credible and true now, and it ruined people's lives. so we have aware that false have to be aware that false allegations happen do allegations can happen and do happen for all sorts of reasons. well, losing well, as a culture, we're losing sight of what i thought was always police lodestar always the police lodestar known, assume nothing, believe nobody, everything. nobody, investigate everything. >> . it's sad and >> yes. and it's really sad and surprising that the henriques report appears to have been buried. find it online. buried. i can't find it online. and that was a direct response to operation midland going. look, crazy . you can't look, this is crazy. you can't just believe victims. but then that's tangled up with the just believe victims. but then that's movement up with the just believe victims. but then that's movement . p with the just believe victims. but then that's movement . again, the metoo movement. again, i understand where that's coming from . women for a long time were from. women for a long time were not believed , were not taken not believed, were not taken seriously. i've always seriously. but as i've always repeatedly said, the moment any investigator starts with a premise of belief that investigation is fatally flawed and corrupted. >> but even the language you've highlighted, the fact that we now victim rather than now say victim rather than complainant. i believe that's a legacy time as legacy of keir starmer's time as a director of public prosecutions . the language was prosecutions. the language was changed during his tenure. um, and course , that does and of course, that does presuppose guilt. if you if you

start using that language, even psychologically, even if it is just shorthand for just a shorthand for complainant, does complainant, it does psychologically change things, doesn't it? >> really do matter of coui'se. >> course. >> victim immediately inspire us to think of a very particular situation . and another argument situation. and another argument i've with people i've been having with people onune i've been having with people online is i'm allowed to call him i but him a rapist. if i want, but rapists murderer has a very rapists like murderer has a very specific context, and that's from the criminal law context. so i think that is disingenuous to say i have a right to call him xyz when those are concepts of the criminal law, i think is disingenuous. a lot of people are saying, oh , well, due are saying, oh, well, due process is meaningless until it's in a court. don't think it's in a court. i don't think so at not with allegations so at all. not with allegations that so serious . yes. that are so serious. yes. >> russell brand has >> and also russell brand has raised the spectre of the online safety bill and the suggested that these allegations and the fact a conservative mp fact that a conservative mp wrote to rumble that it's tied up this new culture that up with this new culture that the that the government wants to push through. have push through. do you have any thoughts because push through. do you have any thou passed because push through. do you have any thou passed this because push through. do you have any thou passed this week, ecause push through. do you have any thou passed this week, didn'te it? >> i think he's there must be some in that because from

some truth in that because from what understand of the online what i understand of the online safety bill, and ashamed to safety bill, and i'm ashamed to say i haven't the say i haven't really had the time it. and time to dig into it. and suddenly find it's law just suddenly i find it's law just waiting for assent is what waiting for royal assent is what it seems to be doing is shoving all off ofcom , all accountability off to ofcom, and ofcom will decide who they investigate and who they find . investigate and who they find. and this is terrifying because this comes from political this comes from a political culture where, as we hate culture where, as we know, hate it is given such a broad and a woolly meaning that really anybody who offends somebody . anybody who offends somebody. can said to be hateful. so that's when it starts getting really worrying. when mps are writing that writing letters asking that people who haven't even been charged let alone convicted of anything . are to be demonetised anything. are to be demonetised and we should emphasise these are allegations at this point, strenuously denied allegations. >> and the way people are talking online, though, is as though they made decision though they made a decision already minds. already in their minds. >> well, like you cannot >> well, it's like you cannot now a woman who now disbelieve a woman who complains sexual offending complains about sexual offending from because that is from a man, because that is apologising for rape. >> i can understand why people feel strongly because women feel so strongly because women haven't and

haven't been listened to and still convictions still we see rape convictions are almost as if are so tiny. it's almost as if rape has been decriminalised . rape has been decriminalised. but 99% women who are raped but 99% of women who are raped this are not going have this year are not going to have a dispatches crew following them about, to tell women about, i think, to tell women this only way you can this is the only way you can achieve justice by appealing to mob rule is utterly irresponsible because most women are raped by minor tv are not raped by minor tv celebrities and they won't get that of coverage. so that kind of coverage. so i think we've got to look at why is the criminal justice system so , so ineffective, so distrusted, so ineffective, and and do something about and try and do something about that, usher mob rule. we that, not usher in mob rule. we will from that . will all suffer from that. >> sarah phillimore, thanks so much joining me. >> sarah phillimore, thanks so much joining me . sarah much forjoining me. sarah phillimore there. excellent as even phillimore there. excellent as ever. she's been on the show a number of times. cressida, she raised so many. interesting points. and you know, when we talk about caroline dinnage, the mp who wrote to rumble youtube and everything else, trying trying who had and everything else, trying tryingaccused who had and everything else, trying tryingaccused demonetised had and everything else, trying tryingaccused demonetised , ad and everything else, trying tryingaccused demonetised , we do and everything else, trying tryingto cused demonetised , we do and everything else, trying tryingto worry demonetised , we do and everything else, trying tryingto worry about1etised , we do and everything else, trying tryingto worry about1etis

>> i mean, isn't she presupposing there? presupposing something there? >> don't know >> absolutely. and i don't know whether to appeal the, whether it's to appeal to the, you people could you know, to people who could vote for her to show. look, i'm on the side of women. yeah, i don't because don't know. i mean, because i think is not on think ultimately this is not on the side of women because if you muddy the waters and you don't have and you have due process and it's if you don't of stuff don't keep this sort of stuff really and clear, really clean and clear, then eventually people, people are more victims , more likely to doubt victims, youwell, what about that more likely to doubt victims, yothhat what about that more likely to doubt victims, yothhat raised|t about that more likely to doubt victims, yothhat raised|t acharaht point that i raised with sarah that, because that, you know, because the conviction is low, it's conviction rate is so low, it's probably the hardest thing to prove to a lot of this stuff does come down to he said. she said, know , and a lot of the said, you know, and a lot of the cases are reported time cases are reported a long time after the event it even after the event makes it even harder for there's genuine trauma involved. don't trauma involved. i don't blame people feel they can't come people who feel they can't come forward. imagine putting yourself process. yourself through that process. there's to contend there's all of that to contend with. but but this the with. but but is this the solution, really just to assume all allegations are true? >> no, obviously not, >> well, no, obviously not, because absolutely because that's all absolutely true. the point is, you've true. but the point is, you've just got to have these these processes in place, haven't you. for the for the times when i mean, i don't know how you i

don't go about don't know how you go about proving disproving but proving and disproving this, but if out that, that if it turns out that, that nothing . you know, nothing has happened. you know, we need to go through. i think we need to go through. i think we should bring back chaperones . we should bring back chaperones. >> chaperones of . dating age >> chaperones of. dating age should be allowed to be in the same room each other. >> joke. but that's where we could up. could end up. >> absolutely. >> really? yeah absolutely. >> really? yeah absolutely. >> beginning >> i think men are beginning to become i don't >> i think men are beginning to becom�*them. i don't >> i think men are beginning to becom�*them. we're i don't >> i think men are beginning to becom�*them. we're told i don't blame them. we're told to be afraid of you guys. >> well, kresteva says you should always get the morning after you get like a after text when you get like a text saying, oh, i had a wonderful time. and then go wonderful time. and then you go out be out for breakfast and you be seen with them. yeah. you don't out for breakfast and you be seeiaccused em. yeah. you don't out for breakfast and you be seeiaccused of.. yeah. you don't out for breakfast and you be seei|ccused of.. yeah. you don't out for breakfast and you be see i |ccusec say. yeah. you don't out for breakfast and you be see i |ccusec say. word you don't >> i didn't say a word of it. show the evidence. show me the evidence. >> let's >> oh, for goodness sake, let's not i mean, >> oh, for goodness sake, let's nhave i mean, >> oh, for goodness sake, let's nhave heard i mean, >> oh, for goodness sake, let's nhave heard stories i mean, >> oh, for goodness sake, let's nhave heard stories about�*nean, >> oh, for goodness sake, let's nhave heard stories about men, i have heard stories about men secretly filming dates and things they're worried things because they're worried about being accused of anything. but that reason . but that's just for that reason. that strikes as creepy. that just strikes me as creepy. you though, that just strikes me as creepy. you if though, that just strikes me as creepy. you if body hough, that just strikes me as creepy. you if body cam h, because if we had body cam footage , that would, you i footage, that would, you know, i mean, that's. footage, that would, you know, i mean, that's . come on, we can't mean, that's. come on, we can't live like that. >> completely, but what >> no, i completely, but what about media? the problem that people do >> the problem that people do just judgement go just make a judgement and go with it. >> you know, social media. >> you know, about social media. one about one of the worst elements about it. have it. i mean, you just have a mob passing judgement, you

passing judgement, just, you know, depends know, and it often depends on how much they like the person, if other reasons to if they have other reasons to have a grievance, a person they don't their opinions, they don't like their opinions, they don't like their opinions, they don't their political don't like their political views, they don't like. >> a of >> it's funny is that a lot of the opponents brand >> it's funny is that a lot of the decided>pponents brand >> it's funny is that a lot of the decided>pporhe's brand >> it's funny is that a lot of the decided>pporhe's guilty.�*|d have decided that he's guilty. i wonder why i wonder why that's happened. wonder why i wonder why that's happened . okay, well, anyway, happened. okay, well, anyway, like you say, due process really important and we can't come in either way. we don't know the facts, know, anyway, either way. we don't know the facts, up know, anyway, either way. we don't know the facts, up after ow, anyway, either way. we don't know the facts, up after the anyway, either way. we don't know the facts, up after the break, 1, coming up after the break, i spoke gb news spoke with fellow gb news presenter john cleese. that's what for. uh, what he's most known for. uh, where we discussed his career. you won't miss that

radio every night. you're listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> so this year we launched the brilliant show the dinosaur hour with john cleese. i hope you saw all of those episodes. they are available on youtube if you want to catch up. and earlier in the yean to catch up. and earlier in the year, down with the man year, i sat down with the man himself legendary himself to discuss his legendary career. here's a clip . career. here's a clip. >> done. very little television because i'm completely out of touch with the people who are

running television. you know ? running television. you know? and i mean, early on i went to netflix and i gave them six ideas, all of which i thought. i thought two were really good and two were good, and two were. and they never even called my agent back. and you kind of think, well , why , what back. and you kind of think, well, why , what are you looking for? >> but are they looking for quality or innovation, or are they looking for. >> no idea. and i don't think they know either. well, i mean, i the main thing is, you they know either. well, i mean, i as:he main thing is, you they know either. well, i mean, i as you nain thing is, you they know either. well, i mean, i as you get thing is, you they know either. well, i mean, i as you get older is, you they know either. well, i mean, i as you get older , s, you they know either. well, i mean, i as you get older , as/ou they know either. well, i mean, i as you get older , as you know, as you get older, as you realise few people realise that very few people have any idea what they're doing , you know ? , you know? >> right. >> right. >> it's true. i mean, the worst case of that was when i went off, i want to know a weekend once with an old friend who used to run the playboy club here, who put all the money up for the very first python film, which is how and i met how i knew him. and i met somebody american television people, said, oh , i people, and they said, oh, i just just bought the rights just i just bought the rights for fawlty towers. we're going to make 40 towers in america. it's about 15 ago, and

it's about 15 years ago, and i thought, ching ching, you know, ching ching. and i said, have you made any changes? and they said, not really. no they said, well, we made one. we've written bafil well, we made one. we've written basil out . and they did. basil out. and they did. >> they wrote basil out and gave all his lines to bea arthur, who also had all of sybil's lines. >> and, you know , it didn't >> and, you know, it didn't work. what a surprise. well, well, how could they have such a truly terrible idea? that's incredible . incredible. >> well, i mean, i mean, is it just that you get these committees together, these executives and they and they sort don't know what sort of don't know quite what they want, want to they want, but they want to duplicate success that has happened you happened in the past. so you end up no taking, up with no risk taking, i suppose. up with no risk taking, i supthat's right. people try >> that's right. people try always to do what's been successful past . and i successful in the past. and i think that think another thing that happened here and griff rhys jones wrote a very good piece about this a long time ago, maybe 15 years ago. is that the top executives now want to be the stars . you see, they want to the stars. you see, they want to take the credit for the ideas of

the program . um, what they need the program. um, what they need to do if i was in charge of the bbc, i'd say, who do i think is really good? really great. eddie izzard , for example. i'd say izzard, for example. i'd say eddie , what do you want to do? eddie, what do you want to do? yeah. and i'd is there anyone you've always wanted to work with? because if there is, we'll send free weekend send you off for a free weekend and, and you can just sit and have a nice time and see if there's a show you want to do. in other words, you want the creative to come the creative city to come from the creative city to come from the creative but the creative people, but on the whole, don't trust you and whole, they don't trust you and sometimes they give me a show and then they immediately ask me what i'm going to be doing. and i say, i don't know yet because i say, i don't know yet because i believe creatively you mustn't make your mind up too soon. i suppose if they did that and they just trusted the creatives, you'd end up with the occasional thing just didn't work. oh thing that just didn't work. oh yes, because if you try to be creative, you're going to make mistakes whole point mistakes because the whole point is creating is when you're creating something . new you haven't been something. new you haven't been there before. yeah, yeah. so you don't know. so you're going to have a few failures, but you're

also have some real successes. >> successes. >> you've talked this >> but you've talked about this before had kind before that you had this kind of opportunity before that you had this kind of opportu|with the first monty before that you had this kind of opportu series. 1e first monty python series. >> fantastic insofar as >> it was fantastic insofar as you you you could do whatever you wanted. we went in see wanted. well we went in to see them because i'd suggested wanted. well we went in to see the|guys,ause i'd suggested wanted. well we went in to see the|guys,auseothersggested wanted. well we went in to see the|guys, ause others who led wanted. well we went in to see the|guys,auseothers who were the guys, the others who were doing a show called do not adjust your set, which was a kids program, went out at 6:00, and graham chapman and i were writing for peter sellers back in those days. >> and we rang them up and said, let's show together. let's do a show together. and then writing then marty feldman's writing partner up an interview partner fixed up an interview with a guy called michael mills, who was the head of light entertainment, and we went in to see michael and he said, i gather you'd like to do a series and we said, we'd love to. and he said, well, why don't why do you propose doing ? and won't you propose doing? and he won't believe this . we hadn't believe this. we hadn't discussed it . to believe that discussed it. to believe that going into a pitch meeting and having actually. so we kind of said, well, we're going to try and make a humorous program with jokes, know, to make people jokes, you know, to make people laugh and, and, and gags is very

specific, very specific. and we went on like this for a bit and he said, you're to have . he said, you're going to have. you're going to have a guest stars. we said, are we are we going to have guest stars? what about music? we said, oh, music. that's was that's a good idea. it was a disaster . and he looked at us disaster. and he looked at us pityingly and he said, go away and make 13 programmes. >> unbelievable . >> unbelievable. >> unbelievable. >> but then when it comes to fawlty towers, that seems like something that was very planned or very structured very or very structured and very rarely out dinner >> i mean, i went out to dinner with directed >> i mean, i went out to dinner witiin directed >> i mean, i went out to dinner witiin frost directed >> i mean, i went out to dinner witiin frost report directed >> i mean, i went out to dinner witiin frost report with'ected >> i mean, i went out to dinner witiin frost report with the d me in the frost report with the two and david frost. two ronnies, and david frost. yes. and i he he said, what do you want to do after python? i said, i'd like to do something with my connie booth . and with my wife, connie booth. and he said, what? i said, i don't know. and he said, well, go back and and let me know and and talk and let me know and i'll commission it. >> isn't that incredible, that level of trust, extraordinary. >> said , >> i mean, and then i said, well, we've stayed in a hotel in torquay. we like to write about that said, and he that. so he said, okay. and he commissioned it we it.

commissioned it and we made it. but trust us. they trusted but they trust us. they trusted us. except after the first show, he said to me , john, you're he said to me, john, you're going to have to get them out of the hotel more terrible idea . the hotel more terrible idea. >> i mean, we were talking about this the other night, but i did find it astonishing when you told me that so many of the critics fawlty critics were against fawlty towers out. towers when it came out. >> like it at all. >> daily mirror said long john, short on jokes. yes the spectator hated it, but spectator hated it, but spectator magazine . yeah, and it spectator magazine. yeah, and it was. it was some time because if you do anything very new, it does make some take some time for people to get used to it and decide, oh, i like it or i don't like it, but at the beginning it was like monty python. the critics couldn't couldn't make anything of monty python. so they describe what happened in they describe what happened in the programme without saying whether was good or bad. yes. whether it was good or bad. yes. and after the first series, and then after the first series, a lovely guy called alan coren, he used to be the editor of punch. he wrote a very nice

review in the times and suddenly everyone decided it was a good show . it's all very random . and show. it's all very random. and there's a lot of luck involved . there's a lot of luck involved. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> is that the case with your films as well, with fish called wanda that thing? wanda in that kind of thing? >> yes, yes, mgm me it >> yes, yes, no. mgm told me it was the most terrible title and seriously, ? seriously, really? >> yes. >> oh, yes. >> oh, yes. >> were completely against >> they were completely against what did they want to call it? i can't remember, i cannot, but this problem. this this is the problem. is this a very people know what very few people know what they're and it takes you they're doing and it takes you when you get older. it takes . when you get older. it takes. you some time to realise that most people don't know. know what they're talking about, you know? so then what would you suggest to sort of young up and coming comedy writers just do their thing, have their own thing, or do they have to game? to play the game? >> an extent, i would say, >> to an extent, i would say, uh, the bbc uh, murder everyone at the bbc and, and start again . and, and start again. >> start again with people who

understand a little bit about creator, and then you'll have chance. >> yeah. otherwise it's all done by committee because there are people at the bbc now. they only have one thought when they go into work in the morning, they have one thought, which is today . i must not get fired. you see, i will i will come out of it at the end of the day, they've still got their job. they've had a good day. they should be in the business of making the best possible programmes for the british public. >> i should point out that you were figuratively were speaking figuratively about murdering that murdering the bbc, but even that even possibly even . 150,000 even possibly even. 150,000 people die every day. >> a few more from the bbc. >> a few more from the bbc. >> but actually this is a key point. literal mindedness in a sense. i have to point that out because someone will be watching. they'll complain, they'll he's actually they'll say he's actually calling against the calling for violence against the bbc, and you have to kind of you have it, of course, have to explain it, of course, otherwise, because there are always literal minded people amongst us, you know, and

they're not playing with the full deck, but we but we have to sort of humour them. >> it was a great example recently, uh, oxfam put out a pamphlet, uh , advising the pamphlet, uh, advising the people who work for oxfam about how to talk to people , and they how to talk to people, and they said, don't . if you support said, don't. if you support their ideas , don't say that you their ideas, don't say that you stand with them because it may upset people who are unable to . upset people who are unable to. stand. well john, on that note, i'm afraid that's all we've got time for. >> but dinosaur, our 29th of october. i'm really looking forward to that going out. >> yes. >> yes. >> and give it chance. >> and give it a chance. have a look two. and the look at the first two. and the first really good because first one is really good because it critical of the press , the it is critical of the press, the right wing press and i did that first because some people thought that because i was doing a show for gb news, i'd always been a closet nazi . been a closet nazi. >> well, there we are .

>> well, there we are. >> well, there we are. >> that's the bit that's going to get clipped and put online. >> but thank you very much. john cleese . a pleasure to talk to . cleese. a pleasure to talk to. john as ever. jonathan, any thoughts about that interview? well, he's just had a life very well lived. >> he's made so much good stuff and he's a good he's a close personal friend of mine because i work him dinosaur. i work with him on the dinosaur. >> far. >> i wouldn't go that far. >> i wouldn't go that far. >> no, we're best >> jonathan. no, we're best friends and always will and friends and always will be and always have been. um, me and john mean, did. john cleese. i mean, you did. >> get a selfie with >> you did get a selfie with him, yeah wasn't >> you did get a selfie with him, about yeah wasn't >> you did get a selfie with him, about that.ah wasn't >> you did get a selfie with him about that.ah wasn't >> you did get a selfie with him abcdid:hat.ah wasn't >> you did get a selfie with him abcdid accidentally.isn't >> i also did accidentally. i dropped on his dropped my rucksack on his private as well. private area once as well. accidentally, pulled me in private area once as well. aijoke ntally, pulled me in private area once as well. aijoke ntéshake pulled me in private area once as well. aijoke ntéshake hands. me in private area once as well. aijoke ntéshake hands. he; in private area once as well. aijoke ntéshake hands. he pulled a joke to shake hands. he pulled me bag on his me in and my bag fell on his area then. haven't been area and then. we haven't been so but you know, so friendly since. but you know, so friendly since. but you know, so whole so not sure about that whole best friend thing. so not sure about that whole beswhat|d thing. so not sure about that whole beswhat|d thingmake that? >> what do you make of that? he's such pleasure he's he's just such a pleasure to you these issues. >> very reassuring, >> it's very reassuring, isn't it, thinks that it, to hear that he thinks that people they're people don't know what they're doing. license doing. that gives me license to not know what i'm doing. >> well, quite exactly. >> well, quite exactly. >> that was me >> well, anyway, so that was me with john cleese earlier. earlier in the next earlier in the year. next on free with free speech nation, i spoke with david for back

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welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation . it's time now for a look nation. it's time now for a look back at the year in culture and the arts. and as always , i'm the arts. and as always, i'm joined by the historian and broadcaster aldridge. bolt broadcaster david aldridge. bolt . david, welcome to the show. you're keen to talk about the arts council in 2023. what's been going on? >> well, the arts council has changed its funding model quite drastic . it has done this drastic. it has done this apparently in the name of levelling up and diversity of access to the arts. but what it actually has done, and particularly in the case of engush particularly in the case of english national is english national opera, is insist that national insist that english national opera moves from its home in the coliseum in london up to manchester get its manchester in order to get its £24 million grant from the second half of next year. >> okay, quickly , why have >> okay, now, quickly, why have they what's the they done that? what's the rationale ? rationale? >> rationale that moving >> the rationale is that moving it more

it out of london gives more people opera . yes. and people access to opera. yes. and this the opposite of this is entirely the opposite of what is going to happen, because the has the north already has an extremely good, affordable opera house. it's got the opera north in at the grand theatre. in leeds at the grand theatre. yes. so by moving english national opera from the coliseum, english national opera, for those who don't know, specialises in affordable. so you have tickets for as you can have tickets for as little as £10, uh, opera productions in english. of all the standard repertoire and new productions, well . it's an productions, as well. it's an extraordinary opportunity for young to come through, young singers to come through, and one most really and it's one of the most really vital parts of london's arts scene. the royal opera scene. because the royal opera house, brilliant scene. because the royal opera ho it e, brilliant scene. because the royal opera ho it is brilliant scene. because the royal opera ho it is , brilliant scene. because the royal opera hoit is , has brilliant scene. because the royal opera hoit is , has comparativelyiant scene. because the royal opera ho it is , has comparatively few as it is, has comparatively few affordable tickets. >> yes, and given the expense involved in mounting a production of any opera. yeah, we need those affordable tickets. otherwise only the rich will . well, exactly. will be able. well, exactly. >> and because arts, as will be able. well, exactly. >.asind because arts, as will be able. well, exactly. >.aslnigroup use arts, as will be able. well, exactly. >.aslnigroup in; arts, as will be able. well, exactly. >.asinigroup in this arts, as will be able. well, exactly. >.asinigroup in this country, as a as a group in this country, has a strange aversion to taking money from private industry , and money from private industry, and because, tax system because, frankly, the tax system doesn't incentivise giving on the it does in, say, the the scale it does in, say, the united states. yes. really the biggest arts is

biggest funder of the arts is the state. now, we would like that to otherwise, i'm that to be otherwise, i'm sure, because has all sorts of because it has all sorts of restrictive . when the restrictive meanings. when the state is the great funder of everything . but to it to everything. but to move it to manchester already have manchester when you already have something , the people something in leeds, the people of can get to leeds of manchester can get to leeds very much more easily than the people of london or kent or devon or cornwall or somerset can manchester. yes, of can get to manchester. yes, of course. on the day course. and on the, on the day ticket to manchester from london is yes is about £150. yes >> there is a perception, isn't there, that arts such. well, when talk about the opera, when you talk about the opera, when you talk about the opera, when about theatre , when you talk about theatre, what high art, what people bracket as high art, that really for poor that it's not really for poor people, for a sort of , uh, people, it's for a sort of, uh, privately educated middle class people, of course. >> and it's entirely fallacious, this but by moving it away this idea. but by moving it away from london, which is the hub of the south. yes, i would argue that leeds the of the that leeds is the hub of the north. might an north. you might make an argument for birmingham, but let's in london. then you have leeds in london. then you have welsh opera, which has leeds in london. then you have welsihit opera, which has leeds in london. then you have welsihit badly opera, which has leeds in london. then you have welsihit badly by)era, which has leeds in london. then you have welsihit badly by funding,:h has leeds in london. then you have welsihit badly by funding, andas been hit badly by funding, and scottish national opera. it seems all the, uh, seems to me that all the, uh, parts britain are parts of great britain are fairly well covered by this , and fairly well covered by this, and it's, it's this bizarre

association of the poor . with association of the poor. with the north and the midlands that the north and the midlands that the predominantly privately educated middle class people running arts council to running the arts council seem to have. running the arts council seem to have . should say, it's rather have. should i say, it's rather insulting in the first instance and thought in and very badly thought out in the are the second, because there are just south the second, because there are just are south the second, because there are just are not south the second, because there are just are not from south the second, because there are just are not from what south the second, because there are just are not from what are south who are not from what are traditional , perhaps who are not from what are traditional, perhaps high arts going , who i'm sure going backgrounds, who i'm sure would go to these things and do go these the viewing, go to these things. the viewing, the attendance figures eno the attendance figures for eno are not bad. yes, are really not bad. yes, compared with a other compared with a lot of other state operations. state funded arts operations. but moving this away means that none of those people now have the chance. >> so what do we do ? you know, a >> so what do we do? you know, a lot people say, well, >> so what do we do? you know, a lot know,)le say, well, >> so what do we do? you know, a lot know, there's say, well, >> so what do we do? you know, a lot know, there's aay, well, >> so what do we do? you know, a lot know, there's a costell, you know, there's a cost of living crisis on. poor living crisis going on. poor people concerned about people are concerned about making are making ends meet. why are we worried providing worried about providing them with opera? worried about providing them witibecause opera? worried about providing them witibecause iisera? worried about providing them witibecause because life is so much more than the utilitarian. it is so much than just food and much more than just food and dnnk much more than just food and drink and survival. would drink and survival. i would argue that life without a cultural side to it is only a half life. what's the point of mere existence if you don't have the enrichment of great art? whether that be opera or whether that literature , or whether

that be literature, or whether that be literature, or whether that theatre? and that be theatre? yes. and i think if we are to have a state funded model to some degree, then part of the incumbent duty of state funded model model of that state funded model model is that everybody is to ensure that everybody around the country at least around the country has at least reasonable access to great art. >> do you think that the arts council is doing a fairly reasonable job of cultivating interesting projects? because a lot of the time people do criticise it and say, well, they're in they're more interested in outreach or they're more interested can outreach or they're more int�*said ed can outreach or they're more int�*said to can outreach or they're more int�*said to demonstrate can outreach or they're more int�*said to demonstrate some| outreach or they're more int�*said to demonstrate some kind be said to demonstrate some kind of for some kind of of benefit for some kind of struggling or minority group , struggling or minority group, whereas actually, you know, often . they'll say they'll point often. they'll say they'll point to one of the, uh, projects that they funded that went on to have huge success in the west end and say, proves our viability. say, that proves our viability. but actually, not but actually, that's not necessarily what they should be funding, is it? no it's a drop in fact, the, uh, emeritus >> in fact, the, uh, emeritus director council we director of the arts council we spoke recently had come spoke about recently had come out doesn't agree out and said he doesn't agree with a of the funding of with a lot of the funding of this things this because it is these things for the sake of diversity. these things for the sake of having, say , a troupe of gay actors or say, a troupe of gay actors or black or disabled actors. black actors or disabled actors. now, nothing wrong with

now, there's nothing wrong with encouraging from what are encouraging people from what are considered backgrounds considered minority backgrounds to go into the arts, but to fund those only and to fund those exclusive only and to fund them they're good them when they're not very good pieces of art or theatre or music, seems to me a total waste of money. let that be of taxpayers money. let that be funded community groups funded by community groups if they're in this, they're so interested in this, let to their think our let that go to their i think our money spent the money ought to be spent in the best possible, means money ought to be spent in the berthe possible, means money ought to be spent in the berthe highestble, means money ought to be spent in the berthe highest possible means money ought to be spent in the berthe highest possible standard on the highest possible standard of expression . of artistic expression. >> so quality over politics. what do think , uh, could be what do you think, uh, could be done 2024? you know, we're done in 2024? you know, we're looking forward to this year, uh, the arts world uh, in terms of the arts world generally, is something generally, is there something that all do to kind of that we could all do to kind of make thrive a little bit more? >> yes. go to it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i think that's the first thing. instead of say, don't thing. instead of say, i don't know, buying the know, instead of buying the extra every day, save extra coffee every day, save that money and go to something at theatre because there at a local theatre because there are , many theatre groups are many, many theatre groups around the country doing great work, rep theatre is still just about by its about clings on by its fingernails. to something or fingernails. go to something or spend a bit of money. come to london while still london while the eno is still here and go to that. but more broadly, everybody who has an interest in the arts ought to be hoping greater

hoping that it gets greater funding . and the to is funding. and the way to that is not the state. way funding. and the way to that is nothat the state. way funding. and the way to that is nothat is the state. way funding. and the way to that is nothat is encouraging way funding. and the way to that is nothat is encouraging through to that is encouraging through political pressure and through any you do, any activism you can do, the changing the taxation model changing of the taxation model here so that it more nearly replicates of united replicates that of the united states, where the arts are in a much healthier state, where for, for instance, the first violinist of the dallas symphony orchestra earns quarter orchestra earns a quarter of $1 million, whereas the first violinist the london symphony violinist of the london symphony orchestra earns £50,000. okay so this is what happens if you stop being so. let's say pernickety about your sources of funding and stop being so precious about everything the everything coming from the state, many arts are. state, as many in the arts are. you see a flood of cash, you see a great flood of cash, but have lobby both but we have to lobby both political, main political parties to this in their parties to include this in their next . there's going to next manifesto. there's going to be an election next year and we must make sure there's something about the arts in there. >> well, hope they will take >> well, i hope they will take your oldroyd, >> well, i hope they will take your thanks oldroyd, >> well, i hope they will take your thanks much'oyd, boult, thanks so much for joining record that was joining me. we record that was a pre—recorded interview when there was an audience in the room and yes, wearing the room, and yes, i was wearing the same tie , but that is the end of same tie, but that is the end of

the first hour on free speech nafion the first hour on free speech nation please not go nation. but please do not go anywhere there so anywhere because there is so much more come now much more to come between now and 9:00. >> brighter outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there i welcome to your >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news, weather forecast i'm craig snell. well, as we go into a brand new year for most of us on new year's day we will see sunshine. but see some sunshine. but unfortunately is rain unfortunately there is more rain to come. so as we end 2023 we still got this area of low pressure hanging around. note the isobars , the tightly packed isobars, especially south, especially in the south, indicating a blustery end to the year. indicating a blustery end to the year . warnings are in force year. warnings are in force throughout the rest of today. generally, a mixture of clear spells and scattered showers. the could potentially be the showers could potentially be quite across quite heavy, especially across northwestern . i think northwestern england. i think for the bells themselves generally central belt of scotland, best to see scotland, probably best to see the driest of the weather overnight in clear it overnight. in the clear skies it will chilly with will turn quite chilly with touch across the north. touch of frost across the north. so first thing on new year's day we will see some sunshine across

the south, but that will be gradually replaced by some cloud the south, but that will be gradeventually ced by some cloud the south, but that will be gradeventually some! some cloud the south, but that will be gradeventually some outbreaks ud the south, but that will be gradeventually some outbreaks of and eventually some outbreaks of rain. so i think come the afternoon the best of the sunshine will be northern england there will england northwards. there will be showers around, be a few showers around, especially northern especially for the northern isles , and isles of scotland, and temperatures tomorrow generally range in between 5 to 7. in the north, potentially up to 11 degrees across the south, and then on to tuesday , a wet day then on to tuesday, a wet day for a lot of the uk. then on to tuesday, a wet day for a lot of the uk . a band of for a lot of the uk. a band of rain, potentially some hill snow for scotland and then some very wet weather southern areas wet weather for southern areas of could also quite of the uk could also turn quite windy. two temperatures on the face of it in the south into double figures, but factoring that wind, it's not that rain and wind, it's not going too great. and going to feel too great. and unfortunately unsettled unfortunately the unsettled weather wednesday weather continues into wednesday and thursday . and into thursday. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of . boxt boilers, sponsors of. weather on gb news

>> and there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this new year's eve , i spoke this new year's eve, i spoke with the deputy editor of spiked about what we can expect for 2024 and also the pop icon carol decker from t'pau will be here. and plus some questions from last week's studio audience. but let's get a news update first from sophia wenzler. >> thank you. andrew, it's 8:00. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the queen of denmark has shocked the nation , has shocked the nation, announcing in her new year's message that she'll vacate the throne. queen margaret ii has reigned for more than half a century. she made the announcement on live television announcement on live television a moments ago. she's due to step down on the 14th of january, exactly 52 years after she took the throne in 1972. she'll be succeed by son crown prince

friedrich rishi sunak struck an optimistic tone in his new year message, promising a brighter future with tax cuts and a reduction in national insurance . reduction in national insurance. he's described 2023 as a momentous year, which saw inflation halved and record investor in the nhs. that's despite junior doctors in england planning their longest walkout in nhs history next month. the prime minister says his new year's resolution is to keep driving forward . keep driving forward. >> inflation is set to fall , >> inflation is set to fall, further cutting the cost of living for everyone. and we're not stopping there. we're going further to grow our economy by reducing debt, cutting taxes and rewarding hard work, building secure supplies of energy here at home. i'm backing british business and delivering world class . education class. education >> meanwhile, the labour leader says the power to shape the future of britain rests in everyone's hands. sir keir starmers message offered .

starmers message offered. a preview of his party's election campaign, saying 2024 needs to give britain its future back in the labour party. >> we've been building to this for four years. we're confident we have a plan that can move our country forward , end the cost of country forward, end the cost of living crisis , take back our living crisis, take back our streets , get the nhs back on its streets, get the nhs back on its feet, cheaper energy bills for your home, more opportunities for your children . the family of for your children. the family of a mother and her son who were killed in an avalanche in the french alps, say they're beyond heartbroken. french alps, say they're beyond hea kate ken. french alps, say they're beyond hea kate vokes, who was 54, died >> kate vokes, who was 54, died when an avalanche swept through an piste slope on mont blanc an off piste slope on mont blanc on thursday . her 22 year old son on thursday. her 22 year old son archie, was also killed . he had archie, was also killed. he had achieved his level one ski instructor qualification just a year earlier. their family asked for privacy, saying the tragic accident had left a hole in their lives . britain's new year their lives. britain's new year celebrations are still a few hours away , but the party has hours away, but the party has

already started in other parts of the . world it has. happy new of the. world it has. happy new year to india, hong kong as well as japan, taiwan , thailand and as japan, taiwan, thailand and australia . hong kong celebrated australia. hong kong celebrated with a huge fireworks display over victoria harbour in front of hundreds of thousands of people in australia . the famous people in australia. the famous harbour bridge and sydney opera house were alight with colours and sparkle. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play . play. gb news. >> welcome back to free speech nation. let's look ahead to 2024 now with our lovely audience here and i'm joined by comedians bruce devlin and josh howie, who

. i've got a question from vicky . where's vicky? hi. hi there. .where's vicky? hi. hi there. >> are you confident i'll be able to afford to put my heating on again in 2024? >> well , vicky, are you >> well, vicky, are you confident? i mean, heating pnces confident? i mean, heating prices keep going up every month. there's another news item about how they've hiked it again. uh do you feel that this is something that affects you personally? it does. >> yeah. and i've been doing lots to try and save money. um, correct . correct. >> borrowing from, like, martin lewis. heavily at the moment. >> is he giving out money? >> is he giving out money? >> he's not. he's giving out his tips. it's always just it's a lot of people are concerned about this. >> this seems to be one of the major issues that keeps coming up again. josh, what up again and again. josh, what do because do you think about this? because it's things. it's one of those things. i mean, politicians get it? mean, do the politicians get it? you haven't really mean, do the politicians get it? you to haven't really mean, do the politicians get it? you to the haven't really mean, do the politicians get it? you to the nub haven't really mean, do the politicians get it? you to the nub of aven't really mean, do the politicians get it? you to the nub of thist really mean, do the politicians get it? you to the nub of this problem, got to the nub of this problem, have they. >> no, they're not human. they're beings are they? >> no. they're effectively cyborgs. i mf- mf— >> i mean, look, we've got someone like vicky here who is having to come here to be in the audience to heat up.

>> yes , exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> this is what this is. this is what she's doing. >> and we have air >> and we have no air conditioning. has worked conditioning. so this has worked pretty yeah, pretty well. yeah, yeah, yeah, i'm so. i'm sorted for a year or so. >> . >> exactly. >> exactly. >> well, difficult though, >> well, it is difficult though, isn't you isn't it, because how do you deal with how do you deal with the problem of this magnitude? >> the >> well, the problem is the i don't boring >> well, the problem is the i don't it, boring >> well, the problem is the i don't it, but boring >> well, the problem is the i don't it, but the boring >> well, the problem is the i don't it, but the problem ng >> well, the problem is the i don't it, but the problem goes about it, but the problem goes deeper than the present situation. we've the situation. we've got the underlying institute owns the energy companies and our storage, all of these storage, and all of these factors all come play. factors have all come into play. unfortunately, time, unfortunately, at the same time, and got massive and we've got massive underinvestment . underinvestment. >> lot of >> um, well, a lot of politicians to the politicians put it to down the war as yeah, war in ukraine as well. yeah, but because suits war in ukraine as well. yeah, but because use suits war in ukraine as well. yeah, but because that's suits war in ukraine as well. yeah, but because that's outside of them, because that's outside of their responsibility. >> not these these are >> but it's not these these are they're responsible because what it is, is we've focussed on brexit and a few other issues over the last decade or so. yes. and they haven't done any long tum planning and the system has kept on growing and we need more and more energy and they haven't done the necessary, taken the necessary energy necessary steps and the energy companies just taking companies have just been taking profits yeah. profits out of the system. yeah. it's not funny. i don't know it's not funny. um, i don't know when we're actually going to get

to a point if it can be if the if ship be changed if the ship can be changed enough so many years time, enough for so many years time, we can get back things being we can get back to things being a we pay for a reasonable look, we pay for energy. that's of course we pay. it's a we for. but when it's a good we pay for. but when it is extortionate and when you see companies making see these companies making billions. then well, that's billions. yeah then well, that's the thing that people , the thing that upsets people, isn't bruce? isn't it, bruce? >> you we isn't it, bruce? >> you these >> like, you know, we see these people getting bonuses of millions millions as they're millions and millions as they're hiking their prices and poor people i mean, it's been people can't. i mean, it's been going hundreds hundreds going up hundreds and hundreds of pounds. people that's going up hundreds and hundreds of pdifference people that's going up hundreds and hundreds of pdifference betweene that's going up hundreds and hundreds of pdifference betweene tha and the difference between life and death. the difference between life and dea no, know, i thought you >> no, i know, i thought you were looking at me. no, i wasn't accusing you. >> my god, honestly, your fault. >> @ yeah. that's what >> thank you. yeah. that's what your told yeah, yeah, your eyes told me. yeah, yeah, maybe yourself . i maybe check yourself. no, i completely huge . completely agree. it's a huge. you you there's you know, like you say, there's nothing funny in yeah, you nothing funny in it. yeah, you could snide comments or could make snide comments or whatever. it's really concerning for of people. for the vast majority of people. i don't know if you will be able to, but you can. to, but i hope you can. >> our question is from catherine. >> hi. will anyone just stop? just stop . just stop. >> yeah, they've been pretty much in the news constantly

throughout 2023. catherine, are you a fan of just stop oil? no i hate them. >> i think everybody hates them and i think they're turning everybody off. environmental ism generally. >> so this is the problem , isn't >> so this is the problem, isn't it, bruce? is that just stop oil every time they do these protests where they glue themselves motorway, they protests where they glue then people motorway, they protests where they glue then people nto orway, they protests where they glue thenpeople nto hospitalsy stop people getting to hospitals , they throw soup on , is they they throw soup on works they alienate works of art. they just alienate all the people they should all the people that they should be right no, completely. >> and i completely with >> and i completely agree with you everything do, you. i think everything they do, they see as a stunt, whether or not they're getting the price attention that they claim that they want, are they getting the right because right price attention because nothing changed? right price attention because notwell, changed? right price attention because notwell, people|ged? right price attention because not well, people are ? right price attention because not well, people are all right price attention because notwell, people are all talking >> well, people are all talking about, constantly talk about. >> well, people are all talking ab> but it's only we're talking about in the fact that about them in the fact that we can't them. have gladly can't stand them. we have gladly pred can't stand them. we have gladly ripped from the ripped their hands up from the pavement, which they did in spain. because spain. and i'm moving because i believe of life. um believe in that kind of life. um and yeah, i don't understand why they mean, they keep wasting food. i mean, what that's what is a painting done that's so wrong that you want to throw a soup at it? a tin of soup at it? >> yeah. what is that thing about the josh? they >> yeah. what is that thing about tgo josh? they >> yeah. what is that thing about tgo _the ? they >> yeah. what is that thing about tgo _the arts, ey >> yeah. what is that thing about tgo _the arts, either always go after the arts, either standing up in the middle of labour and miserable, which

standing up in the middle of labourparticularlyble, which standing up in the middle of labourparticularly exercised| about. >> yes. appalled. about. >> yes. thenlled. about. >> yes. then artworks , >> yes. and then artworks, national like national gallery, places like that. think of all of them. that. i think of all of them. >> that one winds me up the most. well, the miserable one. just anything do with the art just anything to do with the art and anything might art just anything to do with the art an any ything might art just anything to do with the art an any form.| might art just anything to do with the art an any form. yeah,might art just anything to do with the art an any form. yeah, because art just anything to do with the art an any form. yeah, because it'srt in any form. yeah, because it's so disrespect . awful. i mean, so disrespect. awful. i mean, i know, look, you've got people dying in ambulances, i mean, or, you know , waiting. yeah. these you know, waiting. yeah. these these are terrible things. but when the when we're talking about the heritage and the heritage of humankind and the best of what our cultures produce. yeah it's the opposite of that. and it's just it's so , of that. and it's just it's so, um, they're so arrogant in their belief , and um, they're so arrogant in their belief, and it's um, they're so arrogant in their belief , and it's not even like belief, and it's not even like they're necessarily even wrong . they're necessarily even wrong. maybe i'd agree to the to the cause. maybe i'd agree to the to the cause . yeah, yeah, but just the cause. yeah, yeah, but just the just like this idea that we'll destroy art because that shows otherwise we're not going to have any art at all. >> or they say, you know, why do you care about a painting of sunflowers if the earth is going to end? sunflowers if the earth is going to (yeah, that's well, it's a >> yeah, that's well, it's a false it false false logic. it is a false logic. false logic. it is a false log okay. let's move on now

false logic. it is a false log(question let's move on now false logic. it is a false log(question from; move on now false logic. it is a false log(question from marcus. n now false logic. it is a false log (question from marcus. where to a question from marcus. where is ? is marcus? >> all right. well, america elects a septuagenarian or an octogenarian in 2024. >> good question marcus. so you're talking presumably about, uh, or biden . uh, do you uh, trump or biden. uh, do you have do you have a preference yourself? >> not really someone with a bit of honour, really, but i don't think any of them. >> why why do you think marcus, that to prefer >> why why do you think marcus, that statesmen, to prefer >> why why do you think marcus, that statesmen, shall) prefer >> why why do you think marcus, that statesmen, shall we efer elder statesmen, shall we say? >> clue. i don't >> i don't have a clue. i don't know, suspected, uh, know, i've suspected, uh, respect , honour. yeah. know, i've suspected, uh, res|okay. , honour. yeah. know, i've suspected, uh, res|okay. well, , honour. yeah. know, i've suspected, uh, res|okay. well, no,)nour. yeah. know, i've suspected, uh, res|okay. well, no, ilour. yeah. know, i've suspected, uh, res|okay. well, no, i respectah. >> okay. well, no, i respect older i don't want older people. i just don't want them running the country. and not well, well, no. not because. no well, well, no. but look, when they're their but look, when they're in their 80s, kind think just rest 80s, i kind of think just rest a bit. yeah. in fact, the opportunity i agree. >> yeah. biden does look a wee bit tired just. bit tired doesn't he just. >> that's putting >> yeah. that's putting it kindly i think. >> kind . yeah don't know kindly i think. >> trump .yeah don't know kindly i think. >> trump continues on't know kindly i think. >> trump continues to �*t know kindly i think. >> trump continues to find ow where trump continues to find whatever he glues to the top of his head. yeah i mean that must take like take effort. yeah. that's like dehydrated wool. >> so and i understand that you wouldn't want a bunch of 30 year olds running the country because they've experience.

olds running the country because they' merely experience. olds running the country because they' merely want experience. olds running the country because they' merely want 30 xperience. olds running the country because they' merely want 30 yearance. olds running the country because they' merely want 30 year olds in >> i merely want 30 year olds in this office, let this studio slash office, let alone running country . alone running the country. >> no, there's a lot of >> no, but there's a lot of young here which bruce is young people here which bruce is very exercised by. >> want someone very exercised by. >> middle. want someone in the middle. >> someone who's >> don't you want someone who's sort who who has had sort of 50, 60 who who has had some experience some life experience but can still speak, which at the moment we don't have that with biden or p0p up a we don't have that with biden or pop up a flight of stairs. >> yes, yes . get to the top. >> yes, yes. get to the top. >> yeah, well, that would a >> yeah, well, that would be a start, wouldn't everyone's start, wouldn't it? everyone's worried think worried about i don't even think the biden to the democrats wanted biden to run are sort of run again. they are sort of stuck with him, they? stuck with him, aren't they? >> they've >> yeah. and then they've got kamala. mean, in an ideal kamala. i mean, in an ideal world, rid of world, maybe he would get rid of kamala election and kamala for the next election and really get someone decent in there . there. >> kamala harris. >> kamala harris. >> yeah, rid of her. >> yeah, get rid of her. >> yeah, get rid of her. >> right? >> all right? >> all right? >> rid her, i see. >> get rid of her, i see. >> yeah, yeah, get rid of her as the vice president. and then he's die. not he's may well die. i'm not saying thing. saying that's a good thing. i'm just but does, just saying. but if he does, then is someone then there is someone the odds are favour. are certainly in his favour. >> there's stacking >> yeah, yeah, there's stacking every, every, day. every, every, every day. >> maybe a cold house. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, there's that. yeah. i mean that difficult to >> well, there's that. yeah. i mearthatt difficult to >> well, there's that. yeah. i mearthat white difficult to >> well, there's that. yeah. i mearthat white diffi

let's get a question from mike. hi mike. >> labour government inevitable? >> good question . mike, uh, do >> good question. mike, uh, do you think at this point the tories should just pack it in? because, i mean, you think because, i mean, do you think that there's any chance that the tories no. tories can turn it around? no. there succinct and there we go. very succinct and probably . i mean, all of probably right. i mean, all of the polls again and again seem to suggest that the tories are done. just done. so why don't they just use this like or done. so why don't they just use tiamazing like or done. so why don't they just use tiamazing things like or done. so why don't they just use tiamazing things before (e or done. so why don't they just use tiamazing things before they r done. so why don't they just use tiamazing things before they go? 2 amazing things before they go? >> they know >> well, because they won't know and that you used and it's a word that you used earlier. . you earlier. it's arrogance. you know, necessarily know, they're not necessarily bothered about good the bothered about the good of the country. deal country. they just want to deal with their legacy continue . with their legacy and continue. yeah, you know what mean. yeah, you know what i mean. being train sort being on that gravy train sort of seen that with of thing. we've seen that with politicians couple of thing. we've seen that with poyears. is couple of thing. we've seen that with poyears. um couple of thing. we've seen that with poyears. um so couple of thing. we've seen that with poyears. um so but couple of thing. we've seen that with poyears. um so but what:ouple of thing. we've seen that with poyears. um so but what could of years. um so but what could labour do to lose what could they do to lose? >> because at this point it just looks like they could get away with you think it's a >> i'm i do you think it's a done deal? >> well, very much wants >> well, josh is very much wants labour to get in. >> don't you. >> don't you. >> them to the >> well, i prefer them to the tories. yes. uh i have a sneaking suspicion that keir starmer might actually be good for the country. i'm. it's a sneaky suspicion. we'll see. um,

i'm not going to. don't hold me to that. but i wonder if he's deliberately this and play it back to you when he ruins absolutely everything. but i. i wonder just. he all he wonder if he's just. he all he has to do is just not say anything. yeah for the next however many months. yes and then i wonder if he actually gets in. we might see someone with some morality or whatever, but lot of leaders , it's about but a lot of leaders, it's about who's yeah. and who's around them. yeah. and who's around them. yeah. and who's them . um, the who's feeding them. um, the narrative. yeah and, uh, if he can actually get some real people and being honest around him, which i don't think he had when it came to what a woman is and stuff like that. yes. but i think then finally some people . think then finally some people. did actually go, wait a minute. yeah, but wouldn't it be great if he had some backbone himself, if he had some backbone himself, if he had some backbone himself, if he had some principles in himself, keep flip himself, if he didn't keep flip flopping himself, if he didn't keep flip floppirwell then yes , but at thing? well but then yes, but at the that , like said, the same time that, like i said, he's playing fair he's just he's playing this fair game. yeah. of course want game. yeah. of course you want someone who's going come someone who's just going to come out and this out of the bloc and go, this is what these my

what i believe in. these are my morals. is this is morals. this is this is this is what for. stand yeah. so we what i'm for. stand yeah. so we know voting for. what i'm for. stand yeah. so we know exactly. voting for. what i'm for. stand yeah. so we know exactly. butloting for. what i'm for. stand yeah. so we know exactly. but that; for. what i'm for. stand yeah. so we know exactly. but that but'. yeah, exactly. but that but he is made where he's is just made a bet where he's going. if i just shut and going. if i just shut up and just keep this path of just keep to this path of nothingness, then that should be me. and then we'll see if what i'm hoping is maybe when gets i'm hoping is maybe when he gets there, we'll see that there, maybe we'll see that person emerge. maybe we won't. but saying he's good but saying that he's been good on the whole israel on this, the whole israel situation. yes, he's he's called that correctly. yeah. >> but i okay, my i just wish that politicians would start saying what they believe openly rather than trying to calculate what they think we want them to say. and then we can vote accordingly. that would be the better this, better way of approaching this, wouldn't it? but we're not going to time soon. to get that any time soon. listen, don't go anywhere because there is plenty more to come new eve free come on this new year's eve free speech nation .

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biden actually, no, he's. a. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. >> so with just a couple of weeks to go until the end of the yean weeks to go until the end of the year, what better time to reflect on current of reflect on the current state of free the and around free speech in the uk and around the world? our advocates of free speech starting win speech are starting to win the argument. forces of argument. or are the forces of repression censorship repression, censorship and cancel getting cancel culture are only getting stronger stronger. spiked stronger and stronger. spiked onune stronger and stronger. spiked online has always been an advocate freedom, of advocate of freedom, of expression, deputy editor expression, and deputy editor fraser joins me now. fraser myers joins me now. welcome to the show, fraser. thanks for having me. so free speech. where are we at the moment? every year i kind of think, we getting better? think, are we getting better? are alert think, are we getting better? ar

are so—called misinformation. yes, that could even encompass things that are true . but the things that are true. but the authorities have decided are wrong in some way. why don't people understand why this is a bad thing? >> i mean, i saw a survey that said that quarter labour said that a quarter of labour voters fine for voters think it's fine for a bank debunk you if they bank to debunk you if they disagree what you say in disagree with what you say in the wake of the nigel farage case, why can't they see that this going them eventually? >> i think that's i think that's the of the the issue. i think a lot of the time people well, it's time people think, well, it's only are being only wrong'uns who are being affected when people who don't agree who agree with them, people who don't. are don't. yeah, i think there are very few people who understand that. free speech is so that. why free speech is so important as a principle for all of us, why it matters that it's not, you know, it's the same for everyone. we're all affected when is when someone's free speech is harmed and you kind of see that sometimes where, um , on the sometimes where, um, on the right, , you know, a right, um, recently, you know, a lot of people on the right have made a big show of standing up for but they're for free speech, but they're sort indifferent say, sort of indifferent when, say, pro shut pro palestinian events are shut down or pro—palestinian people are cancelled , or they will call are cancelled, or they will call for so—called hate marches for the so—called hate marches in london to be banned . so often

in london to be banned. so often there is this sort of for tat when it comes to free speech. people just don't. if it's happening other side, people just don't. if it's happdon't other side, people just don't. if it's happdon't really. other side, people just don't. if it's hapyeah,t really. other side, people just don't. if it's hapyeah,t rea really1er side, people just don't. if it's hapyeah,t rea really worries people just don't. if it's hthink h,t rea really worries people just don't. if it's hthink h,t |just3ally worries people just don't. if it's hthink h,t |just neednorries people just don't. if it's hthink h,t |just need to �*ries people just don't. if it's hthink h,t |just need to have i think you just need to have a consistent stance. i mean, particularly when it comes to protest. you know, i've been i was about way was very worried about the way in government in which the government snuck through of through that sort of anti—protest the anti—protest measure before the coronation this, this anti—protest measure before the corona one this, this anti—protest measure before the corona one they've s, this anti—protest measure before the corona one they've s, tiin recent one that they've put in so effectively so that they can effectively ask anyone leave for whatever anyone to leave for whatever reason. if they don't, they reason. and if they don't, they can mean, can then arrest them. i mean, this this kind of thing shouldn't going free shouldn't be going on in a free society , should it? shouldn't be going on in a free soc it's , should it? shouldn't be going on in a free soc it's incrediblyt? shouldn't be going on in a free soc it's incredibly dangerous. >> it's incredibly dangerous. and coronation and we saw with the coronation that immediately into that law came immediately into use you know, sort of use and, you know, sort of anti—monarchy were anti—monarchy protesters were told their protests would be shut because they were, you shut down because they were, you know, there was a suspicion that shut down because they were, you knovmight was a suspicion that shut down because they were, you know might cause! suspicion that shut down because they were, you know might cause the ;picion that shut down because they were, you know might cause the public that they might cause the public nuisance. uh, there's a law which understandable which is kind of understandable against of against locking on where lots of extinction rebellion protesters against locking on where lots of ex the :ion rebellion protesters against locking on where lots of ex the pasttebellion protesters against locking on where lots of exthe past have ion protesters against locking on where lots of ex the past have sort)rotesters against locking on where lots of exthe past have sort oftesters against locking on where lots of ex the past have sort of tied rs in the past have sort of tied themselves, you know , using bike themselves, you know, using bike locks to so there was locks to things. so there was a specific that. but specific law put into that. but the republic protests were accused locking on accused of having locking on devices they had some devices because they had some sort of ties were just sort of ties that were just actually just being used hold actually just being used to hold their together . right. their placards together. right. so was taken as, as

so already that was taken as, as evidence of, know, their ill evidence of, you know, their ill intent. meanwhile, on the other hand, you know, you see, there's an enormous double standard over these the these protests. so you have the huge kind of pro—palestine protests. and elements protests. and there are elements of that you know, of that that are, you know, genuinely anti—semitic, genuinely anti—semitic, genuinely quite hateful, and they are kind of given a free pass by the police. you know, the have people might the police have people might have the metropolitan have seen the metropolitan police say, well, there are different meanings of jihad. it's an it's not necessarily an arrestable now, i don't arrestable offence. now, i don't think those people should be arrested. i think they have every their every right to express their views, how hateful. every right to express their view! , how hateful. every right to express their view! think how hateful. every right to express their view! think when how hateful. every right to express their view! think when ,ow hateful. every right to express their view! think when , you1ateful. every right to express their view! think when , you know,. but i think when, you know, censorship does make hypocrites of us all. censorship does make hypocrites of lyes,l. censorship does make hypocrites of lyes, i've heard a lot about censorship does make hypocrites of l'tiered'e heard a lot about censorship does make hypocrites of l'tiered policing.) lot about censorship does make hypocrites of labsolutely.:ing.i lot about censorship does make hypocrites of labsolutely.:ing.i lodrag�*ut censorship does make hypocrites of labsolutely.:ing.i lo drag the >> absolutely. it does drag the police into being political actors. >> yeah. and the police have been very guilty of, of, of, um, arresting people, investigating people, sending, threatening tweets. just they do seem to believe that it's their to job police our thoughts and our words. absolutely. >> and in particular, you've seen that the the seen that the police, the british police effectively british police have effectively become of gender become the armed wing of gender ideology . become the armed wing of gender ideology. um, you become the armed wing of gender ideology . um, you know, recently ideology. um, you know, recently a woman was hauled before the

police, you know, told she would have to do an interview or be arrested tweeted have to do an interview or be arreste as tweeted have to do an interview or be arreste as simple tweeted have to do an interview or be arresteas simple as tweeted have to do an interview or be arreste as simple as transeted things as simple as trans women are . she said that trans are women. she said that trans women sorry . trans are women. she said that trans women sorry. trans women women are not sorry. trans women are yeah. um, and she said are men. yeah. um, and she said things like it's, you know, it's mutilation child mutilation to transition a child . these are perfectly normal opinions for people to hold. these are legal opinions. but even if they even if they weren't, even if they were extreme opinions, surely a extreme opinions, surely in a free have be able free society, we have to be able to stand up for everyone's right to stand up for everyone's right to say what they think. >> absolutely right. >> that's absolutely right. >> that's absolutely right. >> i you know, >> and i and i think, you know, the challenge for us as free speech mean, speech advocates, i mean, in many ways, we've sort of been playing mode many ways, we've sort of been plaang mode many ways, we've sort of been plaa long mode many ways, we've sort of been plaa long time mode many ways, we've sort of been plaa long time because mode many ways, we've sort of been plaa long time because sonode many ways, we've sort of been plaa long time because so many for a long time because so many of see are so of the cases that we see are so patently absurd. everyone can see that. hang on, that person should not have been arrested. hang should hang on. that person should not have sacked for saying have been sacked for saying something relatively for something relatively normal, for expressing a relatively normal political but to political view. but we have to get better fighting the more get better at fighting the more difficult . difficult cases. >> and what do we make of a lot of people stick by this of people will stick by this idea is problem idea that there is no problem with and that with cancel culture and that there is no problem, particularly on universities with free speech. what do you make of that?

>> mean, it's just delusional. >> i mean, it's just delusional. i doesn't i mean, you can it doesn't matter how cases bring matter how many cases you bring to attention, to their attention, they will just accept just refuse to accept it. i think people do is they think what people do is they will ways saying, oh, will find ways of saying, oh, this speech case, this isn't a free speech case, because really about safety because it's really about safety or something like that, right? this a free speech this isn't a free speech case because really about because it's really about discrimination. so you have to be very wary of that. when people try and drag things off the of free speech, when the terrain of free speech, when people essentially or it's harassment when harassment is another one, when people that people essentially say that words or try to pretend that words or try to pretend that words are actions when they clearly are not. of course, actions should be dealt with completely differently. >> and the final challenge, i suppose, tech, won't suppose, will be big tech, won't it? of it at it? what do you make of it at the moment? >> big tech? i mean, there's some cons. mean, elon some pros and cons. i mean, elon musk's of twitter has musk's takeover of twitter has been a net positive for free speech. going to be an speech. i'm not going to be an elon and elon musk cheerleader and pretend speech pretend that the free speech issue solved. on x or issue is solved. even on x or twitter, plainly twitter, because it plainly hasn't been. but that has hasn't been. um, but that has been a positive. and one thing that's out it is the that's come out of it is the twitter now, this year we twitter files. now, this year we saw what's been going on saw that what's been going on for a couple years, different for a couple of years, different things coming out. but

things have been coming out. but this year something really interesting out, where interesting came out, um, where we twitter working we saw how twitter was working with university. this with stanford university. this and to determine what is mis and disinformation. and often some of the things that they were considering , disinformation or considering, disinformation or misinformation plainly misinformation were plainly true. they just the wrong true. they just had the wrong political outcome. so anthony fauci's genuine emails , for fauci's genuine emails, for instance, caused a lot of concern among these academics because they might undermine distrust in science , not because distrust in science, not because they're actually wrong, but because they're right. and it might wrong impression because they're right. and it mipeople wrong impression because they're right. and it mipeople . wrong impression to people. >> i mean, that's very dangerous. ultimately dangerous. so ultimately we can't really trust the government. trust big government. we can't trust big tech. free speech for tech. we should. free speech for all great general principle all is a great general principle because everything, because that solves everything, doesn't because that solves everything, doeabsolutely. trust >> absolutely. you cannot trust anyone else in charge of anyone else to be in charge of what you are allowed say or what you are allowed to say or think . what you are allowed to say or think. because we all have our own biases. we all have own own biases. we all have our own problems. know, no problems. and you know, no one in make these in power can make these decisions. you decisions. well, clearly, you know , i don't think i don't know, i don't think i don't think there's any such thing as good you were good censorship. but if you were looking gets censored looking at what gets censored today in britain, in america , today in britain, in america, around in the western world, you

would say that is an absurd, untenable , entirely untenable situation, entirely mainstream opinions and being censored . censored. >> absolutely. very scary stuff. all fraser myers, thanks >> absolutely. very scary stuff. all foriser myers, thanks >> absolutely. very scary stuff. all for joiningars, thanks >> absolutely. very scary stuff. all for joining me thanks >> absolutely. very scary stuff. all forjoining me tonight. so much for joining me tonight. thank . okay. so i spoke thank you. okay. so i spoke there to fraser myers from spiked online talking about free speech crested. one of the things that fraser said that i thought was really important was the which the police, the way in which the police, there police there was a lot of police overreach to overreach when it comes to offensive comments online. are you jonathan? you all right there, jonathan? >> what. free >> i'll tell you what. free speech. premium speech. speech. fine premium speech. much better. okay. >> well, just get back to your prosecco and we will. uh, i'm just going to cressida just going to talk to cressida for drinking? uh, yes. for a moment. drinking? uh, yes. um, year's eve. um, um, it's new year's eve. um, what what do you think , cressida? >> uh, about jonathan or the police? yeah. police overreach. terrified yeah. >> people being arrested for misgendering, for instance , that misgendering, for instance, that kind of thing. that, um, that autistic teenager arrested are lesbian nana. the lesbian nana story. >> exactly. jonathan i'm going to come to you in a minute. >> don't worry about it. right, cressida. >> um, so it's a problem, isn't it? >> yeah.

&n- it? >> yeah. the bigger problem , >> yeah. and the bigger problem, i people i think, is that people don't necessarily think it's a problem. i can't understand necessarily think it's a probthey i can't understand necessarily think it's a probthey aren't can't understand necessarily think it's a probthey aren't offended erstand necessarily think it's a probthey aren't offended like nd why they aren't offended like we are. absolutely . >> no, absolutely. >> no, absolutely. >> offended? uh, >> are you offended? uh, jonathan, so you talk about lesbian nana. >> sorry. i'm offended by you drinking out the bottle. >> t- t honest. yeah. >> i have to be honest. yeah. sorry we couldn't afford the champagne. >> no , in this climate. >> no, not in this climate. >> no, not in this climate. >> no, not in this climate. >> no . >> no. >> no. >> anyway, happy about free speech? think pretty speech? i think it's pretty good. go. that's the good. there we go. that's the take . free speech is take of the year. free speech is a pretty good. i'm going to, uh, get a black coffee for jonathan, and we're going to come back because there's a long night ahead of us. and don't go anywhere, anywhere at all. because next, i sat because coming up next, i sat down the wonderful singer down with the wonderful singer and carol decker, and and musician carol decker, and we her career and her we discussed her career and her many so please don't many successes. so please don't go

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to this new year's eve special of free speech nation . now, i spoke with speech nation. now, i spoke with the pop sensation carol decker. she's the lead vocalist of the

band t'pau and has had international success. so let's hear what she had to say . international success. so let's hear what she had to say. i mean , you've had such an amazing career. you've written so many fantastic songs. this is the thing about you. it's, you know, people know you a singer people know you as a singer and performer, all performer, but you co—wrote all of them. >> i did, yeah, and it's not five decades. not years five decades. i'm not ten years longer madonna . longer than madonna. >> sorry, four decades. >> no, sorry, four decades. >> no, sorry, four decades. >> four decades. yes yes. that's an important that's where the similarity ends. >> have quite same >> we don't have quite the same bank career. >> we don't have quite the same barit's career. >> we don't have quite the same barit's all career. >> we don't have quite the same barit's all right.career. >> we don't have quite the same barit's all right. give r. time . >> it's all right. give it time. madonna slide. madonna is on the slide. >> yeah, i'm an 80s, babe. yeah, but she's got that problem. >> yeah, i'm an 80s, babe. yeah, but she's got that problem. >> yeah, i'm an 80s, babe. yeah, butshe does that problem. >> yeah, i'm an 80s, babe. yeah, butshe does .:hat problem. >> yeah, i'm an 80s, babe. yeah, but she does . exactly. problem. >> yeah, i'm an 80s, babe. yeah, but she does . exactly. it's)blem. >> yeah, i'm an 80s, babe. yeah, but she does . exactly. it's over1. >> she does. exactly. it's over for so madonna. but you for madonna. so madonna. but you know, you've written so many incredible songs and people would interested to know would be interested to know about how inspired about how how were you inspired to this ? they probably don't to do this? they probably don't know in hand is know that china in your hand is partly based mary shelley's frankenstein. it yeah. songwriting >> it is. yeah. so songwriting for me and for my mainly songwriting partner , ron rogers, songwriting partner, ron rogers, it's quite eclectic, so we can getideas it's quite eclectic, so we can get ideas from some chords and melody and heart and soul of this big international hit was

written because we got a keyboard with the sequencer in, so you can program the notes and it plays on a loop, and ronnie programmed in da da da da da da da, which is the bassline to heart and soul. and so we wrote that song around a new toy and then i do love my tele , and i do then i do love my tele, and i do love a documentary. so so, um, i was watching this fantastically informative documentary about frankenstein . yeah. and i didn't frankenstein. yeah. and i didn't know that mary shelley . um, know that mary shelley. um, well, she was married to percy shelley, and she was 19 when she wrote and it was this wrote it. yes. and it was this big fiction hit and caused big pulp fiction hit and caused so much fracture in their sort of elite intellectual group of friends. they fell out with the lord byron. it was, you know , lord byron. it was, you know, there was lots of bitchiness going on. and i thought, well, that's wheels within wheels . so that's wheels within wheels. so the whole with the whole thing with frankenstein where man plays god and he . creates, yes. you know, and he. creates, yes. you know, in his own image. and it's a

terrible tragedy . it's a very terrible tragedy. it's a very sad story. yes and then within that story is all the trouble the book caused. so it captivated wrote captivated me. and i wrote the song your which captivated me. and i wrote the solike your which captivated me. and i wrote the solike fragility. our which captivated me. and i wrote the solike fragility. our carefulvhich is like fragility. be careful what is like fragility. be careful whtyeah. be careful of your >> yeah. be careful of your dreams reality dreams becoming reality and everything happen. everything that can happen. yeah. interesting, everything that can happen. yeah it? interesting, everything that can happen. yeah it? you eresting, everything that can happen. yeah it? you erestin i've isn't it? that you know, i've been of isn't it? that you know, i've been more of isn't it? that you know, i've been more songs of isn't it? that you know, i've beenmore songs and of your more recent songs and they're just as as the they're just as good as the older songs. there's, older songs. and there's, there's a real continuity in terms do , and it's terms of what you do, and it's just some things take off at some and things some points and some things don't. huge don't. heart and soul was huge in but not here, in america, but not so big here, right? >> was f was a right? >> was a huge flop here. >> no, it was a huge flop here. and was thanks to the and it was thanks to the american public and the billboard and the late, billboard chart and the late, great casey kasem, who seemed to wear a christmas sweater every great casey kasem, who seemed to wea of christmas sweater every great casey kasem, who seemed to wea of chryearas sweater every great casey kasem, who seemed to wea of chryear ,. sweater every great casey kasem, who seemed to wea of chryear , who ater every great casey kasem, who seemed to wea of chryear , who pioneered day of the year, who pioneered us and it got rereleased in the uk . yes. and it went to number uk. yes. and it went to number four in the uk. then went four in the uk. and then it went top lots top five around europe and lots of as well. so we of other places as well. so we got a reprieve. but yeah, it was um, label over here were not um, the label over here were not happy they're brutal record happy and they're brutal record companies. you're out . if you companies. you're out. if you don't them their money back don't make them their money back straight away. so we got a reprieve and then got to have. >> when you started to >> but when you started to power, did you expect it to become as big as it did? no

>> no not not really. i don't know i expected entirely. know what i expected entirely. all wanted wanted all i wanted was, um, i wanted to have a single out. yes um, and then i wanted to be on top of the pops, because that's who doesn't. yeah, that was the show that watched, that we all watched, and it was multi—generational. and there was choice was there wasn't much choice then, was just was there wasn't much choice then one was just was there wasn't much choice thenone big was just was there wasn't much choice thenone big show. was just was there wasn't much choice thenone big show. so was just was there wasn't much choice thenone big show. so it's s just was there wasn't much choice thenone big show. so it's like ;t that one big show. so it's like box, tick that box, tick that box, tick that box, tick that box . and then china in your box. and then when china in your hand like rocket , box. and then when china in your hand like rocket, um, hand took off like a rocket, um, it opened so many doors for us. and then lots of boxes were ticked. we sold out wembley. we sold out the nec . ticked. we sold out wembley. we sold out the nec. i was on all the big festivals. i was flying all over the world, meeting the great and the good. we did the prince's trust concerts. yes, me and diana like that . this is a and diana like that. this is a true story. we were doing a photo call after a prince's trust and the photographer said the corniest thing. he said, everybody say cheese . and i was everybody say cheese. and i was next to her standing on a box because we were about, you know, four foot difference in height. and went to me. said, and she went to me. she said, um, get sexier smile . um, say you get a sexier smile. yeah that's fantastic and super

fun. >> yeah. and all of this happens very quickly and you suddenly become big, suddenly become famous. course, famous. and of course, you weren't know, famous. and of course, you wer(was know, famous. and of course, you wer(was whole know, famous. and of course, you wer(was whole new, know, famous. and of course, you wer(was whole new, different this was a whole new, different world. how did you find it? >> i loved it, took to it like >> i loved it, i took to it like a to water. um you know, a duck to water. um you know, it's wanted . i wanted to it's what i wanted. i wanted to be successful, and i wanted to be successful, and i wanted to be famous. um, i didn't know to what degree it would go , so what degree it would go, so i got used to it very, very quickly . see, know of the quickly. see, i know some of the bands bit, bands struggled a bit, particularly , um, ronnie rogers, particularly, um, ronnie rogers, who was my partner at the time. he's he's quite a reserved guy. and found a lot of the and he found a lot of the attention, um, quite a strain . attention, um, quite a strain. he's he's much more of a, a proper creative musician . was proper creative musician. was always going to be a star. i was ready for my close up. >> he's not a diva. >> no, he's not a diva. >> no. >> no. >> and so. and it was hard on the of a lot of the rest of the band a lot of them at one point. them were married at one point. we on the road for 17 we were on the road for 17 months straight, but those months straight, but all those marriages all went really well . marriages all went really well. you're away from home in our business, more successful you

get, the more you're away from home. it's really. >> hear the >> yeah. you hear about the stress famous people >> yeah. you hear about the stressthey're famous people >> yeah. you hear about the stressthey're �*onious people >> yeah. you hear about the stressthey're “on the people >> yeah. you hear about the stressthey're “on the road. .e when they're out on the road. >> they can find comfort. >> oh, they can find comfort. there's someone in the there's always someone in the crew. ready home? crew. yeah ready to come home? okay, not get too many okay, let's not get too many details on that. >> but , you know, we should >> um, but, you know, we should definitely see a clip of you performing, if that's right . performing, if that's all right. carole, think got carole, i think we've got something let's have a something lined up. let's have a look . tell us. tell body to the triangle. >> hey . don't triangle. >> hey. don't wish to. hi because it may go to me and she can't bannau. you don't know what you might . it can't bannau. you don't know what you might. it said can't bannau. you don't know what you might . it said what was what you might. it said what was your. what you might. it said what was your . name what you might. it said what was your. name . child emily hand your. name. child emily hand. absolute . fantastic. absolute. fantastic. >> oh. thank you. wonderful and thank you. >> and that's .

>> and that's. >> and that's. >> i mean, it really suits that big kind of song. having a full orchestra. that was last year, wasn't it? >> was probably a couple >> that was probably a couple of years done years ago. but i've done that show last year so that that same orchestra, opera north, show last year so that that same orchiarea, opera north, show last year so that that same orchiare a opera north, show last year so that that same orchiare a big opera north, show last year so that that same orchiare a big shout)pera north, show last year so that that same orchiare a big shout outa north, show last year so that that same orchiare a big shout out to orth, show last year so that that same orchiare a big shout out to opera who are a big shout out to opera north, are fantastic. and cliff masterson, conductor there . masterson, our conductor there. and yes, well, obviously back in the day we used synthetic strings. yes. and that was they were born in the those big were born in the 80s. those big jupiter eight keyboards the jupiter eight keyboards and the amazing you couldn't tell amazing sounds you couldn't tell it wasn't an orchestra, to be honest. play that honest. but to play with that calibre of musician. i do a lot of orchestral shows now. i did a huge tour across germany last december with a 60 piece orchestra tingles up the back of my neck every night. they're just epic and it's such a privilege to work with. >> but you do like the drama, don't you? >> just . i don't you? >> just. i don't mean that in terms of the style of songwriting as well. i mean, you have you have there is actually a big range of styles and things. you know, a song like soul destruction, very different to kind very poppy. to that kind of very poppy. yeah. but you also the yeah. but but you also have the big ballads and feels like

big ballads and it feels like you go when you really let yourself go when it to those sorts of. it comes to those sorts of. >> and a lot those >> i do, and a lot of those songs to ronnie his songs, i have to give ronnie his credit because, um, ronnie loves hymns, right? and his dad used to play the organ. so you know, all those massive chord progressions. i'm always ripping hymns off. >> really didn't realise they were the source of inspiration. >> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> just that. kind of >> just that. that kind of style. i don't style. yeah, i don't i don't want get by god . um, want to get sued by god. um, that of style. the that kind of style. the magnificent chord progressions . magnificent chord progressions. and for me, my parents record collection, my father in particular, all the divas, barbra streisand , shirley barbra streisand, shirley bassey, ella fitzgerald, dinah washington. so i was raised on big voices and big hair. >> yeah, so big voices , big hair. >> it's a great motto. and you know, those those sort of shows you're doing all the now you're doing all the time now and they're big stadiums now. there's something very interesting they interesting about what they call it, festival , for it, the rewind festival, for instance, various instance, where there's various bands 80s and 90s bands from the 80s and 90s coming and the hugely coming together and the hugely popular, aren't they absolutely massive ? massive? >> the original rewind is in henley on thames. that's now, i

think, 40,000 strong. yeah, and it's a huge festival and there's a other brands as well that do a similar thing , and it's similar thing, and it's fantastic because , um, i do four fantastic because, um, i do four songs and then i'm back at the bar . bar. >> oh yes, of course, because you're sharing the. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and the audience get the hits. so it's like it's like a compilation album on the stage. so there's no fillers, no boring bits. >> of course . you got any gossip >> of course. you got any gossip about all the old 80s stars? do you know what i haven't? >> it's going be boring. if >> it's going to be boring. if you'd asked back at the you'd have asked me back at the top pops day , were all top of the pops day, we were all ready about other. but ready to about each other. but now all hail, now we're all. it's all hail, fellow. we're all that fellow. well met. we're all that much and we've much older and we've all survived a very tricky survived in a very tricky business. so it's usually a glass of wine. and how you doing . and i'll. i'll see you the . and i'll. i'll see you at the next because into next one because we bump into each all the time. it's, each other all the time. it's, you all on these you know, we're all on these different festivals and we're you know, we're all on these differerworking ls and we're you know, we're all on these differerworking togethera're always working together all the time. great in terms the time. it's great in terms of the whole and career. whole process and career. >> do you >> what do you prefer? do you prefer studio and prefer getting in the studio and crafting putting it crafting the songs, putting it all for or is things all together for or is it things like that? being out in

like that? just being out in front of the audience? >> combo of both. >> it's a it's a combo of both. i love making a song work and it's fascinates me. 40 it's still fascinates me. 40 years after i wrote my first song, listening to some crumb of anidea song, listening to some crumb of an idea build and get created and get layered and all the rest of it. but when i do a gig like that one, you just showed, it's just epic. it's. and i can't believe all these years later i'm, i'm still doing it. >> you're still doing it. but you must get i mean, the audiences big part of it, audiences are a big part of it, aren't terms aren't they? yes in terms of what give to you as a what they give to you as a performer yeah. performer as well. yeah. >> barely sing >> well, i barely have to sing china in your hand because everybody sings at you, you know? and sometimes i get know? so and sometimes if i get the wrong , i do. the lyrics wrong, i do. >> that happen ? >> does that happen? >> does that happen? >> i do, yeah, you put something from the second verse into the first verse, and people write to me and why? first verse, and people write to me why why? first verse, and people write to me why did why? first verse, and people write to me why did your? first verse, and people write to me why did you sing that line ? >> why did you sing that line? they're, they're like, really? >> why did you sing that line? the but. they're like, really? >> why did you sing that line? the but it'sey're like, really? >> why did you sing that line? the but it's really ke, really? >> why did you sing that line? the but it's really greatally? >> why did you sing that line? the but it's really great that >> but it's really great that you can still perform live to such audiences, because you can still perform live to sucof audiences, because you can still perform live to sucof people diences, because you can still perform live to sucof people diences, bec geta you can still perform live to sucof people diences, bec get to lot of people could don't get to do musicians , do that. no. and musicians, let's honest, don't get let's be honest, don't don't get a the digital a good deal out of the digital world, spotify and those world, out of spotify and those sorts. we don't know. >> um, the, the top can call

>> um, the, the top 2% can call the the rest of us mere the shots. the rest of us mere mortals, it streaming is decimated. yes, our royalty income and you . know, don't get income and you. know, don't get out your tiny violin and all the rest of it. but lots of musicians. it's they're not making a of i'm lucky making a lot of money. i'm lucky to have had some hits in the 80s making a lot of money. i'm lucky to histilliad some hits in the 80s making a lot of money. i'm lucky to histill generate hits in the 80s making a lot of money. i'm lucky to histill generate something 80s that still generate something for grateful for me. and i'm grateful for that. lot it charging that. but a lot of it charging musicians, they're not earning any so the record company any money. so the record company will platform will get it. and the platform will get it. and the platform will get it. and the platform will get it, they get the will get it, and they get the crumbs not right. crumbs and it's not right. and we're for we're always lobbying for our fair share. that's all want. fair share. that's all we want. our share . our fair share. >> well, also, you know, as artists, you put all this into it. then you, you it. yeah. and then you, you know, to rewarded it. yeah. and then you, you kncit. to rewarded it. yeah. and then you, you kncit. absolutely to rewarded it. yeah. and then you, you kncit. absolutely now rewarded it. yeah. and then you, you kncit. absolutely now a rewarded it. yeah. and then you, you kncit. absolutely now a lot /arded it. yeah. and then you, you kncit. absolutely now a lot ofjed for it. absolutely now a lot of people watching will be wondering see you, people watching will be wonyou ng see you, people watching will be wonyou ng performing see you, people watching will be wonyou ng performing sethe»u, but you are performing all the time. i am how will you how time. so i am how will you how will people able to find you will people be able to find you and and shows? and go and see your shows? >> um, the socials we've got the website typekit uk and website which is typekit uk and there's facebook is to power forward slash carol decker and i'm still on x, but i'm thinking of coming off it because i get pulled into arguments and i get into trouble. >> oh don't we all stop that?

>> oh don't we all stop that? >> then um, instagram. you >> and then um, instagram. you can find me . and if you want to can find me. and if you want to come and or if you want come and see us or if you want to avoid us, you can find out where we yeah. carol it's where we are. yeah. carol it's been a pleasure talking to you, carol been a pleasure talking to you, cari everyone . the brilliant been a pleasure talking to you, carieveryone . the brilliant carol >> everyone. the brilliant carol decker. there any thoughts about creative? well how lovely to be able to do it for 40 years, i know. yeah, exactly . know. yeah, exactly. >> she's just having the time of her forever. yeah. an her life forever. yeah. an x factor but all the time. factor winner. but all the time. yes. amazing. >> of course, as i mentioned >> and of course, as i mentioned in the interview, you know, she writes songs well writes the songs as well as performs i'm performs the songs. and i'm interested in the creative process, even though you know, writing pop songs is not my thing. but creating comedy. there is a there a comparable there is a there is a comparable thing there, think. thing there, i think. >> think, well, >> yeah, i think, well, it's taking the way see the world taking the way you see the world and out with your and spitting it out with your flavours. yes, exactly. it goes through lens. flavours. yes, exactly. it goes thr(yeah. lens. flavours. yes, exactly. it goes thr(yeah. thoughts it? >> yeah. any thoughts on it? because you write songs, don't you? songs written, you? i write songs i've written, uh, quite rock songs in my time. >> i'm band. play music? >> i'm in a band. play music? yes some musical

yes do written some musical songs. think there's songs. i think there's definitely a similarity there. songs. i think there's d(is. itely a similarity there. songs. i think there's d(is. itely you milarity there. songs. i think there's d( is. itely you mila| it's there. it is. like you say, it's through it's i'm through you. it's. it's i'm trying to as sober as trying to be as sober as possible now . possible now. >> sobered up >> you have sobered up remarkably you? remarkably quickly, haven't you? well andrew, i went to the toilet and helped myself to a bump of shang—a—lang. >> ? >> so? >> so? >> so? >> so what does that mean? >> so what does that mean? >> i don't know, have to >> i don't know, you have to google it. >> song by the bay >> wasn't it a song by the bay city rollers? >> one mine, actually. >> right. okay yeah, actually. >> i right. okay yeah, actually. >> i ri rolling.ay yeah, actually. >> i rirolling .y yeah, but i am rolling. >> yeah. no, it's, uh. >> um, but. yeah. no, it's, uh. yeah. do i think? yeah. no. what do i think? it's a thing. the most a beautiful thing. it's the most satisfying like this. >> and i really like this. this idea rewind show, you idea of the rewind show, you know, lot know, where you have these a lot of acts all on the same bill. >> put tickets for me and bruce devlin. love that . i think devlin. he'll love that. i think headliners there. headliners night out there. >> i think that would be good, wouldn't it? >> my feed m.- >> yeah. my twitter feed is just really intense political discussion then discussion and comedy. and then bruce kylie minogue. >> that's basically it. >> yeah, that's basically it. but know, you're in a band. but you know, you're in a band. yes. so, you know, you've you've had similar experiences to carol. yeah. >> we play like we're the >> we play like we're not to the same for us same extent. a big show for us would maybe like a big london would be maybe like a big london show for us might be a thousand people. you people. right. which is, you know, experience people. right. which is, you knovfor. experience people. right. which is, you knovfor. yeah, experience people. right. which is, you knovfor. yeah, exstadium, play for. yeah, not a stadium, but beautiful thing. um, play for. yeah, not a stadium, but it beautiful thing. um, play for. yeah, not a stadium, but it seemsiutiful thing. um,

play for. yeah, not a stadium, but it seems a:iful thing. um, play for. yeah, not a stadium, but it seems a lot thing. um, play for. yeah, not a stadium, but it seems a lot to ing. um, play for. yeah, not a stadium, but it seems a lot to me. um, and it seems a lot to me. >> yeah, it's enough, it's enough to crowdsurf definitely enough to crowdsurf definitely enough to crowdsurf definitely enough to crowdsurf does that happen at the gigs ? happen at the gigs? >> it does. it's done a few times. although one time i got i don't want to say, uh, sexually assaulted, but pretty much i mean, move on. mean, let's move on. >> cressida. >> cressida. >> okay, so i was crowdsurfing explain the story. >> who was assaulting who? >> who was assaulting who? >> yeah. what's the story? >> yeah. what's the story? >> some of the are very >> some of the fans are very busy and, know, i'm busy hands, and, you know, i'm going skinny going along and in my skinny jeans. and let's be honest, jeans. yes. and let's be honest, you know, i'm prize. and you know, i'm a prize. and they're reaching they're all reaching for me. >> to victim >> look, i don't want to victim blame here, but if you're surfing, you need some hands or also you're crowd also also when you're crowd surfing , aren't you meant to be surfing, aren't you meant to be on your back? >> on my front. >> i like to go on my front. well, problem is you, well, maybe the problem is you, uh , look, i'm carol decker. uh, look, i'm carol decker. >> do it like that. >> doesn't do it like that. >> doesn't do it like that. >> no, i bet i bet she doesn't. so are you are you familiar with t'pau? >> and i'm familiar with china in yes everybody in your hand? yes everybody knows off the best of the 80s. uh, cassette . uh, cassette. >> she has many, many more. >> she has many, many more. >> yeah, well, maybe i should go and homework. >> yeah, well, maybe i should go ancand homework. >> yeah, well, maybe i should go ancand h> well, the of band. >> well, the three of us started a band. really >> andrew and the ponies ?

>> andrew and the ponies? >> andrew and the ponies? >> andrew, andrew and the ponies. jonathan i can't play an instrument. >> you're right. >> you're right. >> yes. you've written music? >> yes. you've written music? >> uh, operas? no >> uh, operas? no >> musicals. musicals. so i write lyrics . write lyrics. >> but you music? no. >> but you write music? no. >> but you write music? no. >> so. but you write the music? >> yeah, i write the music. >> yeah, i write the music. >> so i write the lyrics. you write the music and dance and you do the interpretative dance . you do the interpretative dance. >> how terrifying. is there a tambourine available ? tambourine available? >> i'm sure there is. we can find one you. find one for you. >> your out of this >> begging your way out of this one. >> begging your way out of this oneokay, more prosecco >> okay, have some more prosecco . jonathan. okay, next up on free speech nation rishi sunak switches politics for acting . a switches politics for acting. a little boy causes a stir at a pantomime , and apparently we all pantomime, and apparently we all visualise the months of the year differently. well according to tiktok, anyway, it's nearly time for social sensations . do not go for social sensations. do not go anywhere

welcome back to this new year's eve special of free speech nation. i hope you're having a wonderful time. it's time for

social sensation . that's the social sensation. that's the part of the show where we look at what's been going viral this week media. so first week on social media. so first up, this video . you must have up, this video. you must have seen it. this is rishi sunak who switched politics for acting in his christmas video from number 10. at the moment. >> do you see this? okay . just >> do you see this? okay. just >> do you see this? okay. just >> am i the only one here? are.

>> uh, number 10, press. >> uh, number 10, press . office >> uh, number 10, press. office harry, you've got the wrong . number. >> okay, so there we are . um, >> okay, so there we are. um, consider your reaction because you haven't seen that before, have you? >> w- w— >> i hadn't seen that before. i think i might need some more prosecco. mean, that's prosecco. yeah i mean, that's that's our that's the leader of our country. you think. country. do you think. >> do you think it's embarrassing for the politicians to try and be amusing? or is he just having a bit of fun? >> know one politician >> well, we know one politician that very yes mr that does it very well. yes mr farage. he's he's good natured, isn't he? and doesn't. not afraid to have a bit of a laugh, but don't it suits some but i don't know. it suits some people and not others, doesn't it? johnson can make it? boris johnson can make people laugh with the flags. donald zipwire yes, that donald trump zipwire yes, that wasn't on purpose. >> no . well, no. >> no. well, no. >> no. well, no. >> but it didn't promote the same feeling of awkwardness as

that. >> it does feel a bit awkward to me. hand, me. but on the other hand, i don't. mind don't. i don't mind people having a bit laugh. having a bit of a laugh. >> don't good >> i don't want a good time. he's >> i don't want a good time. he' he's like, a too. >> he's like, i'm a person too. you're but yeah, but he's you're not. but yeah, but he's based home isn't it? based on home alone, isn't it? >> the that's the >> that's the that's the reference in case people reference there in case people didn't sure didn't get it. sure >> could had, um, >> you could have had, um, i don't know, like, uh, jeremy corbyn sneaking through the window burglar. window as a burglar. >> funny. and >> that would be funny. and a sledgehammer hits him in the head, which home alone, head, which is in home alone, isn't yeah. so isn't it? it is. yeah yeah. so i'm really i'm not just being really gratuitously there. gratuitously violent there. that is reference to think is actually a reference to think of starmer. of keir starmer. >> remember name . >> i can't remember his name. and a political and i'm a, i'm a political commentator. >> and is commentator. >> and is a really >> so yeah. and that is a really bad his tenure as minister. >> amid . >> amid. >> amid. >> yeah. no no. look it's >> yeah. no no no. look it's just him. he is really just it's him. he is really bland, just it's him. he is really bla god. imagine if he's doing >> god. imagine if he's doing that next year. >> oh you can't expect that even even drunks remember even drunks to remember his name. jonathan. okay, name. sorry, jonathan. okay, let's let's move on to this video . this is a one mum who video. this is a one mum who thought treat her kid to thought she'd treat her kid to the pantomime. this yearjust for show her up. let's for him to show her up. let's have a look. >> have you ever told a lie ? >> have you ever told a lie? >> have you ever told a lie?

>> my mum has . >> my mum has. >> my mum has. >> she is maybe a white lie . >> she is maybe a white lie. >> she is maybe a white lie. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> have you ever used any bad words like bad or humbug ? words like bad or humbug? >> gps say . don't worry, becky . >> gps say. don't worry, becky. >> gps say. don't worry, becky. >> okay, that's very offensive. what do you make of that , chris? what do you make of that, chris? >> nothing funnier than children swearing . it's brilliant. swearing. it's brilliant. >> it's a sign of bad parenting. >> it's a sign of bad parenting. >> surely. terrible parenting. i don't know, don't they? every now and again hear these now and again you hear these statistics that people that swear on are more swear on average are more intelligent. that 7 up. up? >> think you probably have to >> i think you probably have to justify your own poor behaviour, to jonathan what do to be honest. jonathan what do you think? i imagine being you think? i imagine you being quite child. you think? i imagine you being qui'i�* child. you think? i imagine you being qui'i was, child. you think? i imagine you being qui'i was, um, child. you think? i imagine you being qui'i was, um, my child. you think? i imagine you being qui'i was, um, my parents took me >> i was, um, my parents took me on, like a little boat trip in some caves in sweden or switzerland, or one of those made and, switzerland, or one of those mail! and, switzerland, or one of those mail was and, switzerland, or one of those mail was singing and, switzerland, or one of those mail was singing nursery and, switzerland, or one of those mail was singing nursery rhymes uh, i was singing nursery rhymes at lungs. i like at the top of my lungs. i like the mum pretended the echo. and my mum pretended that her and

that i wasn't her child. and gave to give me gave her another lady to give me chocolate buttons. gave her another lady to give me choi)late buttons. gave her another lady to give me choi)late ithat ns. gave her another lady to give me choi)late ithat is. gave her another lady to give me choi)late ithat is absolutely . >> i think that is absolutely. reasonable. i don't know how you people cope with having children because they are embarrassed. they're source of embarrassment. i you blame >> i think you can blame them for yeah, yeah. for a lot though. yeah, yeah. all me. all who wet the bed, not me. >> yeah. dog's >> well, yeah. and a dog's neven >> well, yeah. and a dog's never, told and never, never told on you. and used no. never, never told on you. and usewell, no. never, never told on you. and usewell, that's no. never, never told on you. and usewell, that's the no. never, never told on you. and usewell, that's the other thing. >> well, that's the other thing. children are a too honest. children are a bit too honest. yes a problem with that. >> could all be more >> we could all be more honest. that's meaning >> we could all be more honest. th new meaning >> we could all be more honest. th new year. meaning >> we could all be more honest. th nethinkir. meaning >> we could all be more honest. th nethink you meaning >> we could all be more honest. th nethink you need meaning >> we could all be more honest. th nethink you need more ning >> we could all be more honest. th nethink you need more of|g >> we could all be more honest. th nethink you need more of a >> i think you need more of a filter . i'm absolutely >> i think you need more of a filter. i i'm absolutely >> i think you need more of a filter . i think)solutely >> i think you need more of a filter. i think yourtely >> i think you need more of a filter. i think your honesty is honest, i think your honesty is the okay, finally. the issue. okay, finally. so a woman viral on tiktok woman has gone viral on tiktok for saying that everyone sees the of the year the months of the year differently . in their the months of the year differently. in their mind . differently. in their mind. >> i have a question how do you see the months of the year, like in your brain? when you think of our calendar , how do you see it? our calendar, how do you see it? because i see it . january, because i see it. january, february , march, april, may, february, march, april, may, june. like i see it from top to bottom. so we're in february. we're at the we're at the top of the year. does that make sense? i asked my mom and my mom said

she sees it. january three to december. she sees it. side to side . side. >> why does this sort of stuff go viral? i mean, that is so banal , the end of day. you know banal, the end of day. you know what the end of days? i mean, that's one way of looking at it. but i do like viral videos but i do like some viral videos i that's i get. i think that's fascinating or outlandish or whatever. . whatever. that's just banal. >> i'm very exciting, although i have i do see in a have to say, i do see them in a list well. have to say, i do see them in a list do well. have to say, i do see them in a list do you . have to say, i do see them in a list do you go top to bottom? i >> do you go top to bottom? i don't think do. don't think they do. >> don't as >> yeah, i don't see them as ehhen >> yeah, i don't see them as either. know, if tell either. you know, if you tell me to as a list, i'll to envisage them as a list, i'll see you tell see them as a list. if you tell me see them consecutively and me to see them consecutively and then back up to january. then you back up to january. really? then you back up to january. rea you see, this this isn't but you see, this is this isn't like. do you remember there was that that, that that viral clip of that, that image some image of a dress and some people thought was white and thought it was it was white and gold and some people thought it was black. and, was blue and black. and, you know, mean, think know, one group, i mean, i think the people who are saying blue and were lying, and black were just lying, weren't they? because it was it was white gold. was clearly white and gold. wasn't that right? >> being important >> i remember it being important at it was important the time. >> it was important at the time. >> it was important at the time. >> simpler time it was. >> what a simpler time it was. >> what a simpler time it was. >> that that the >> yeah, that that was the biggest >> yeah, that that was the big oh, bring those days.

>> $- days. >> what what ? what what >> yeah. what what what makes things anyway, >> yeah. what what what makes thinlisten anyway, >> yeah. what what what makes thinlisten , anyway, >> yeah. what what what makes thinlisten , we anyway, >> yeah. what what what makes thinlisten , we do anyway, >> yeah. what what what makes thinlisten , we do have anyway, >> yeah. what what what makes thinlisten , we do have time.rway, uh, listen, we do have time. i think just to go for one unfiltered dilemma for this came in from chloe. chloe said, i've been speaking to two guys. they're both going to be at the same new year's eve party as me tonight. who do i kiss at midnight? how about both exactly? let's yeah. let's just. well, why not? >> we know the logistics . um, yeah. >> at the same time . >> at the same time. >> at the same time. >> well, i mean, let's bring back free love. that's tricky, isn't it? she's going to have to invent some criteria to monitor them throughout the evening. and also assuming they're them throughout the evening. and also interested. ming they're them throughout the evening. and also interested. i|ing they're them throughout the evening. and also interested. i|ing tthe�*re both interested. i love the confidence . yes. fantastic. confidence. yes. fantastic. >> you think , jonathan, >> oh, do you think, jonathan, that be encouraging that we shouldn't be encouraging sexual just because that we shouldn't be encouraging sexinew just because that we shouldn't be encouraging sexinew evejust because that we shouldn't be encouraging sexinew eve and because that we shouldn't be encouraging sexinew eve and we ause that we shouldn't be encouraging sexinew eve and we need it's new year's eve and we need to take a hard line on this , to take a hard line on this, because know going to because i know you're going to try at midnight. try and kiss me at midnight. >> everyone in the >> we can. everyone in the office to get together, office is going to get together, and, i'm having it. i'm super duper, super duper >> i'm super duper, super duper gonorrhoea. >> i'm super duper, super duper goryeah,3a. >> i'm super duper, super duper goryeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> don't want don't any of >> don't want don't want any of that. should she kiss very that. who should she kiss very quickly ? she should. quickly? she should. >> them. become airtight. >> w- w— airtight. >> know what that >> okay, i don't know what that

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and eventually some outbreaks of rain. so i think the rain. so i think come the afternoon the best of sunshine will be northern england northwards. there will be a few showers around, especially for the scotland the northern isles of scotland and temperatures tomorrow generally range in 5 to generally range in between 5 to 7. the north, potentially up 7. in the north, potentially up to 11 across the south, to 11 degrees across the south, and then on to tuesday , a wet and then on to tuesday, a wet day for a lot of the uk. and then on to tuesday, a wet day for a lot of the uk . a band day for a lot of the uk. a band of rain, potentially some hill snow for scotland and then some very wet weather for southern areas could also turn areas of the uk could also turn quite windy. to temperatures areas of the uk could also turn quithe/indy. to temperatures areas of the uk could also turn quithe face. to temperatures areas of the uk could also turn quithe face of to temperatures areas of the uk could also turn quithe face of it to temperatures areas of the uk could also turn quithe face of it in temperatures areas of the uk could also turn quithe face of it in the 1peratures areas of the uk could also turn quithe face of it in the south ures on the face of it in the south into double figures, but factoring that rain and wind, it's not going to feel too great. and unfortunately, the unsettled into unsettled weather continues into wednesday thursday . wednesday and into thursday. >> looks like things are heating up boxed boilers, sponsors of weather on .

gb news. on. >> hello. whenever i'm asked to be interviewed on the bbc, even though it's supposed to be about the mating habits of ring tailed lemurs , the first question will lemurs, the first question will be what about cancel culture? >> because was mentioning cancel culture is the best way of geeing people up, and that guarantees they won't switch channels. same with the word