and police forces will receive at least an extra £1 million to fight the scourge that is . fight the scourge that is. anti—social behaviour. if you had that cash, you were in charge of a police force. how on earth would you prioritise spending it.7 do you think we ever can beat anti—social behaviour or and there has behaviour or not.7 and there has been a massive in been a massive rise in anti—semitism country. anti—semitism in this country. what's behind that and are

what's behind that and how are we fix it.7 did we going to fix it.7 also, did you see the gb news exclusive? we've been looking at some barber shops now. of course, the majority of them are absolutely fine, but some of them now being used fronts for criminal used as fronts for criminal activity . what is going . on? activity. what is going. on? yes, indeed. well, we will be debating all of that and more. i've got nunziata rees—mogg with me and laurie laybourne . but me and laurie laybourne. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines . news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the newsroom tonight is that the chancellor says there is light at the end of the tunnel. if the government sticks to plan, despite to its economic plan, despite the uk entering into recession, official figures show the economy shrank by 0.3% at the end of 2023 after similar contractions in the previous three months. that's the first

time the uk's gdp has dropped since the first half of 2020. after the first covid lockdown . after the first covid lockdown. labour says the government is completely out of touch with people's reality. british gas owner centrica has renewed calls for a social tariff to allow people to pay less for their gas and electricity . it comes as new and electricity. it comes as new data reveals british gas benefited last year from being able to reclaim money lost dunng able to reclaim money lost during the energy crisis , new during the energy crisis, new figures released today show 3 million low income households in england struggled to pay their energy bills last year. government statistics showed that 13% were in fuel poverty , that 13% were in fuel poverty, largely unchanged from the year before . for detective , say before. for detective, say they're keeping an open mind about whether the stabbing of a 16 year old in bristol last night is linked to other recent attacks. the teenage victim died after being stabbed in rawnsley park by two attackers wearing masks , who then fled the scene

masks, who then fled the scene on bicycles . it masks, who then fled the scene on bicycles. it comes just masks, who then fled the scene on bicycles . it comes just weeks on bicycles. it comes just weeks after the deaths of teenagers mason rist and max dixon, who were stabbed in the knowle west area of the city. police have now been given enhanced stop and search powers across bristol as their investigation continue . a their investigation continue. a romanian people smuggler has been jailed for attempting to hide seven migrants in the overhead compartment of his motorhome and then trying to get them into the uk. the group was discovered by border force officials at harwich international port in essex last december. two of the migrants claimed asylum , but five were claimed asylum, but five were deemed illegal and sent back to the netherlands. minister for illegal migration michael tomlinson, says that those putting lives at risk will face the full weight of the law . a the full weight of the law. a judge is facing criticism after, like a pro—palestine social media post, judge tan ikram spared jail for three women who

displayed images of paragliders at a protest eight weeks after hamas used paraglide to enter and attack israel . in october, and attack israel. in october, he was found to have liked a post which said free palestine and that branded israel a terrorist. the crown prosecution service now says it's carefully considering any future actions in relation to the case. health news and clusters of measles cases are emerging across the uk outside the original outbreak area in the west midlands , the area in the west midlands, the uk's health agency has reported cases in london, the north west, yorkshire and the humber and east midlands. it's warning hundreds of thousands of children in england are unvaccinated against the disease and remain at risk of serious complications or even lifelong disabilities, figures show . the disabilities, figures show. the total number of cases since october has now risen to more than 500. in the united states,

donald trump will become the first ever former president to stand trial on criminal charges , stand trial on criminal charges, and it will take place next month . a new york judge denied month. a new york judge denied his request to throw out a so—called hush money case, setting a trial date for the 25th of march. the case alleges he falsified business records related to a payment made to an aduh related to a payment made to an adult film star before the 2016 us election. mr trump says he hasn't committed a crime , and hasn't committed a crime, and here voters are casting their ballots in the final hours of two by elections, taking place in wellingborough in northamptonshire and in kingswood in south gloucestershire. the kingswood vote was triggered after conservative chris skidmore quit in protest over the government's green policy in wellingborough . green policy in wellingborough. polls open after peter bone was accused of bullying and sexual misconduct . accused of bullying and sexual misconduct. he though, denied those allegations . voting closes those allegations. voting closes at 10:00 tonight and will be broadcasting throughout the night with expert analysis and

the all important results from midnight tonight and that will last right through till breakfast. crystal palace manager roy hodgson is in a stable condition after falling ill during the team's training today. the 76 year old was due today. the 76 year old was due to speak at a scheduled news conference for monday's game against everton, but that's now had to be cancelled. the premier league club have confirmed within the last hour that roy hodgson is now undergoing tests in hospital, keeping an eye on that story for you now, the first ever commercial us lunar lander mission is heading for the moon . the moon. >> 32211 ignition and lift—off. the spacecraft left the launch pad on florida's atlantic coast earlier on today , blasting into earlier on today, blasting into the night sky. >> it's hoped the lander, nicknamed odysseus, will touch down near the moon's south pole sometime next week. for all the

latest stories, do sign up for gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts . gb news. com slash alerts. >> thanks very much for that poly >> thanks very much for that poly and michelle dewberry. i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight, so i've got alongside me the brexit party mep me the former brexit party mep anunciata rees—mogg and the author and commentator laurie laban. author and commentator laurie laban . good evening to both of laban. good evening to both of you. that story there about the moon, would you be up for going to see if you could reach the moon and explore it? >> no, i'm afraid i am incredibly dull and unadventurous in that sense. i'm quite happy on planet earth. >> you, laurie, i wanted to be an astronaut when i was a kid. >> oh, really? >> oh, really? >> but at this stage now, i mean, if you, i don't know, won a competition or something at this stage, with the technology as it is, would be up for it as it is, would you be up for it right now? >> i think i would. >> yeah. i think i would. >> yeah. i think i would. >> would you? yeah >> would you? yeah >> i've got a nasty feeling we're following gender stereotypes really stereotypes here. really really.

>> to play right >> well i'm going to play right into them more because into them even more because i definitely wouldn't be up there for all love, love, for all the love, no love, no money, get me up money, would not get me up there, i can tell you that. are you seeing at home? you be you seeing at home? would you be interested exploring space at interested in exploring space at this time? x this moment in time? not x amount of years down the line when all sorted out a bit when it's all sorted out a bit better, right now, with better, but right now, with the technology would technology as it is now, would you h? technology as it is now, would you it? would you be up you trust it? would you be up for it or not? tell me. i'm interested your thoughts interested to know your thoughts on that. i've got lots coming up for you know the for you as well. you know the drill date on this program. it's not just about us. it is about you as well. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you email tweet is how you can email me or tweet me now of course, me at gb news. now of course, let's straight in. might let's get straight in. you might be by now because be aware of this by now because of course we've just been mentioning in the bulletins mentioning it in the bulletins as well. the uk officially in mentioning it in the bulletins arrecession.�* uk officially in mentioning it in the bulletins arrecession. um, officially in mentioning it in the bulletins arrecession. um, jeremy ally in mentioning it in the bulletins arrecession. um, jeremy hunt| a recession. um, jeremy hunt now, he going do now, what is he going to do about it? lots of people, um, saying that cutting taxes is the right move, other people saying increasing the right increasing taxes is the right move. shadow chancellor rachel reeves, speaking reeves, she's been speaking out as let's to her. as well. let's listen to her. >> do find it extraordinary >> i do find it extraordinary that the actual chancellor of

the exchequer is providing a running commentary on his own budget . now, running commentary on his own budget. now, i running commentary on his own budget . now, i worked at the budget. now, i worked at the bank of england for many years, and i've been in politics for a long time now. i have never seen anything like it with a chancellor giving a running commentary. it is dangerous and it is very misguided . i've made it is very misguided. i've made no secret of the fact that i want taxes on working people to be lower, but i've also been really clear, including in the speech today, that i will never make a promise where i can't say where the money is going to come from. so i annunciator do from. so i annunciator what do you to what should be the approach? >> now? i think we need to get the economy growing, and that is the economy growing, and that is the most important job the government has got. >> and the way to do that is to cut taxes. also, interest rates need to come back that need to come back down that inflation getting itself inflation is getting itself under control. so much. if it was external anyhow and wasn't fuelled by excess uk demand, we need to re encourage our own demand, improve our productivity and improve our growth . and tax and improve our growth. and tax cuts are the most important .

cuts are the most important. >> so which tax cuts then ? >> so which tax cuts then? >> so which tax cuts then? >> i think you've got to look at pretty much across the board that individual incomes really matter personal consumption. matter for personal consumption. how much each household has to dispose of as they see fit to fuel that side of the economy. but we also want businesses to thrive and hire people so that more people are active in our economy. >> so right across the board tax cuts and that will get the country growing and moving. laurie, do you agree? >> i we need investment, >> i think we need investment, right. can come right. and investment can come in different ways. can come in different ways. that can come partly taxes . the uk partly financed by taxes. the uk has not invested in its economy sufficiently for decades now. it's something that's happened under different under governments of different stripes and we're starting to see of that all see the consequences of that all around we're seeing it with around us. we're seeing it with school buildings that are falling down. we're seeing with the massive unpaid maintenance bill nhs, which now racks bill in the nhs, which now racks up at £11 billion. and up at about £11 billion. and that's acting as a drag on the economy. it's acting a drag that's acting as a drag on the eccour1y. it's acting a drag that's acting as a drag on the eccour growth.|cting a drag that's acting as a drag on the eccour growth. it'sg a drag that's acting as a drag on the eccour growth. it's making rag that's acting as a drag on the eccour growth. it's making us on our growth. it's making us less productive so we need on our growth. it's making us lermakeiuctive so we need on our growth. it's making us lermake sure 'e so we need on our growth. it's making us lermake sure that so we need on our growth. it's making us

lermake sure that we're/e need to make sure that we're investing. it's easier to cut taxes and a nurse today taxes and sack a nurse today than it is to invest and build a bndge than it is to invest and build a bridge that we can use and get growth from reducing taxes is not an immediate translation into reducing government income . into reducing government income. >> it has been shown through example of cutting corporation tax that actually when you reduce it, investment from external non—governmental sources increases and our gdp goes up. and i think there are many ways of benefiting from tax cuts directly . there is a slight cuts directly. there is a slight lag, but we can afford a lag more than we can to keep this very negative at the moment, but mildly negative at the moment. but very low growth that we have beenin but very low growth that we have been in now for so long and if we look at the gdp per capita, which is how each of us actually measure this in our daily lives , measure this in our daily lives, it hasn't fallen by the nought point three. the national gdp has . it's fallen by 0.7 in 23. has. it's fallen by 0.7 in 23. and that is because we are taking on more immigrants who are not being productive than we can cope with the population is

increasing and the pie is shrinking. >> so is that fair? do you agree with what she's saying? there >> no, because it doesn't get to the heart of the investment problem that we've got in the country. this is something that there is consensus on. businesses want more investment the is to bring the way to invest is to bring money into the country. >> you've got to make an attractive companies attractive place for companies to if you want to to invest. if you want to increase taxes, increase increase taxes, to increase investment. as churchill so famously said, it's like standing bucket and trying standing in a bucket and trying to yourself up the to pull yourself up by the handle. it doesn't work. you are taking money out of the economy, not putting it in. and that's what we need to do. >> so at moment, we face >> so at the moment, we face ourselves in a situation where because the government isn't investing economy, investing in the economy, it doesn't got doesn't mean that we've got investments things that investments in the things that will make us more productive as time the reason why the time goes on. the reason why the us, for example, or the eu or china, the major wealthiest china, all the major wealthiest parts are making parts of the world, are making massive investments is because investments in things like green technologies, in the infrastructure that we rely infrastructure that we all rely on in health and education on in our health and education services, are what's needed to

drive economic growth. >> has been >> actually, germany has been doing than us in these doing worse than us in these exact terms. but what we need to do is, yes, have long terme plans, but we need to get the economy going so we can afford to fulfil them. >> am i right in thinking , >> am i right in thinking, actually, rather than agree with tax cuts, would you go the other way and actually increase some taxes on in some areas? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> like what i think that you could close the non—dom tax loophole that some parties are talking about . talking about. >> we saw the prime minister's tax return. was it last week . tax return. was it last week. yeah. and that showed that the money he's he's wealthy guy. fair enough to him. he invests his money. fair enough. the money he then earns back from those investments is much those investments is taxed much lower than, than we are lower than, than the. we are taxed working . and i think taxed for working. and i think that's something that should be looked at. >> so to just be clear, i mean, this is not a rishi sunak exclusive of tax rates. he is operating under same operating under the same tax rules all us. but what rules as all of us. but what you're talking about is capital gains a different

gains being taxed at a different rate. a lower rate versus, say, for example, pay. but then two seconds ago you were saying that you investment. so if you want more investment. so if you want more investment. so if you increase tax you want to increase the tax paid returns on paid on people's returns on those investments that those investments and that counterproductive, depends those investments and that countethatiuctive, depends those investments and that countethatiuctive, is, depends those investments and that countethatiuctive, is, then|ds those investments and that countethatiuctive, is, then going. where that money is, then going. >> in a situation where >> so we're in a situation where again, let me say it again. schools are crumbling, hospitals are that's acting are crumbling. and that's acting as drag . why is that not a bit as a drag. why is that not a bit of an exaggeration? >> schools are not in their entireties crumbling, are they? you might i know, you might have a i don't know, a corridor got a bit corridor there that's got a bit of rack. that's been dealt with or there or or a classroom there or something. schools in their entirety, entirety are not crumbling, unless crumbling, are they? unless i've missed crumbling, are they? unless i've misokay, fine. there have been >> okay, fine. there have been significant budgets of significant cuts to budgets of major services, major public services, which does there's less kit does mean there's less kit buildings are in some public services, decrepit and we've had underinvestment the number of underinvestment in the number of staff and what that has meant is the key services that keep our society that makes sure society going, that makes sure we productive and healthy we have productive and healthy workers and so staff are not working. >> our schools, universities and nhs done nothing but nhs has done nothing but increase. overall . but increase. actually, overall. but does that kept up with population want? we population really want? when we

look capital gains, look at the capital gains, i think the most efficient think is the most efficient allocation of capital, you want money to be going to the things that are going to be productive for our national economy, and the more you tax that, the more reluctant people are to move their money from things that are dragging to things that are producing and we need to reduce those taxes. so that the money can move to where they can help most. >> so there's a huge amount of money that's bound up private money that's bound up private money that's bound up private money that could be invested in this country that's not being unlocked because those businesses investors look at businesses and investors look at this and they things this country and they say things are so well. they've this country and they say things are under—invested 'hey've this country and they say things are under—invested the 've clearly under—invested the pubuc clearly under—invested the public service is in trouble. their infrastructure is outdated, of their trains outdated, some of their trains don't outdated, some of their trains dont on outdated, some of their trains don't on time. and if we don't work on time. and if we invested more in those things, it would more of these it would unlock more of these private investments. if made private investments. if we made london city, could move around. >> it would be a good start. but our mayor seems to be 100% determined to it determined to make it impossible. and every single day he ridiculous impossible. and every single day he introduce ridiculous impossible. and every single day he introduce a ridiculous impossible. and every single day he introduce a richarge|s impossible. and every single day he introduce a richarge or like introduce a new charge or rename the train lines when rename all the train lines when what we actually need to do is

have and people being have vehicles and people being able freely around our able to move freely around our city. need to do that across city. we need to do that across the country. i completely agree there are elements that need investment private investment, but we need private money, external coming money, external money coming into and being into this country and being productive to do so. >> that the uk has not >> something that the uk has not been doing well economically for a while now, and taxes have been raised, they've been lowered corporation tax has been lowered. very lowered. it's been very consistent. those consistent. we've tried those things. the consistent thing throughout is the investment has been investment is been low and the investment is lower peer. it lower than our peer. it increased is lower than in the corporation tax back up. >> and the same with capital gains. and actually they needed to to the policy. but the to keep to the policy. but the short doesn't work. short termism doesn't work. investors need us. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> we investment economy . >> we need investment economy. we direction it's we knowing what direction it's heading in in order to trust their investment . their investment. >> reductions in corporation tax in the past have proven that companies are not sitting there waiting and being like, wait a minute. as soon as the uk reduces corporation tax by a suther reduces corporation tax by a slither of percentage, will slither of percentage, we will suddenly investment. suddenly crowd in investment. that's it's that's not the case. it's investment in our key

infrastructure. the things that enable businesses to come along and say, this is a positive environment to invest in. >> if they had the confidence, if businesses had the confidence as they have done in ireland, that have a consistent, that we would have a consistent, highly competitive international, highly competitive, lower rate . they competitive, lower rate. they would invest here. >> you could possibly argue on this, um, recession point of view. you could possibly argue that actually, economically, it's not hugely significant. people will say that it's quite mild. it'll be sorted out quite quickly. but people would argue it's more politically significant . of course. rishi significant. of course. rishi sunak, one of his pledges , one sunak, one of his pledges, one of five, is about growing of his five, is about growing the economy. there's no real the economy. and there's no real clarity on what measure we're actually going to judge him on that. the uk economy in 2023 did actually grow. i think it was about 0.1% or something. so it did actually grow that did actually grow over that yeah did actually grow over that year. do you think did actually grow over that yea more do you think did actually grow over that yea more politically) you think it's more politically significant ? significant? >> it's a technical recession. so it's two quarters and that's all measures . so yes, over all it measures. so yes, over the year it a different the year it was a different picture. i think we want to

focus on what households are actually feeling like in this country. and that is not the national gdp, which is being inflated mainly through immigration. it is what we are getting per household, per person . on how you look at that person. on how you look at that as your family unit and that has been shrinking and over 2023, it fell by 0.7. that's what rishi sunak needs to get to grips with and why he desperately needs to encourage growth by introducing tax cuts and encouraging the bank of england to reduce interest rates. >> yeah, i think that latter one is a key point as well. what do you think in terms of the political significance all? >> i agree that it's more of a political thing, and that i strongly agree with annunziata, that to focus the that we need to focus on the stagnation seen over , stagnation that we've seen over, over tum. um, and, over the longer tum. um, and, and again, we have not invested adequately in the high growth, high productivity sectors in this country. we've had lots of inconsistency from government. businesses need consistent ,

businesses need consistent, predictable policy and the government has flip flopped all over the place. when it's come to the scant investments that it has made. and that's been very damaging businesses damaging for businesses investing in the really productive wealth created . productive wealth created. >> but everyone's flip flopping. we um, keir we had the other day, um, keir starmer pledge 28 starmer and his pledge 28 billion whatever it was billion or whatever it was getting reduced. there's flip flops everywhere. yeah >> and let's hope that if they get into government, they are a bit bold bit more consistent and bold with and i think that with this. and i think that boldness around investment is something would be something that there would be a huge welcome reception from markets businesses. they markets and businesses. they want to unlock there. >> but it gordon brown who >> but it was gordon brown who changed the definition of investment from being investment investment from being investment in new projects into beginning new things to meaning maintenance. that's not investment. that's what you have to pay to keep the country going. >> yeah, and it's our are the way that the government thinks about accounting is a serious problem . the way that we need to problem. the way that we need to like any business does. you need to understand that investments are highly productive things

that you don't want to but that you don't want to cut. but politically, it's much easier to cut because no one noticed. cut them because no one noticed. liz, a training liz, when you cut a training bursary for nurses today or the maintenance budget for a hospital, but later, when a pandemic comes, there aren't enough nurses or enough beds, then you notice. so politically, it's easier to cut in the moment . and this is what hunt may do. but it will always come back to haunt us. and right now we have a stagnant economy that's a stagnant economy and that's it. coming back to haunt mar—a—lago. >> you make to it all at >> what do you make to it all at home? speaking about cuts, home? and speaking about cuts, you'll be familiar the you'll be familiar with the facts, course, that many facts, of course, that many police officers jobs they were indeed cut, wasn't there? well, now we're looking at how on earth get to grips with earth do we get to grips with anti—social behaviour every police force in england and wales, now, will wales, as an example now, will be getting a minimum of £1 million fix anti—social million to help fix anti—social behaviour. do you think behaviour. what do you think then? should money be then? where should that money be prioritised? we that? prioritised? how do we fix that? and course, talk about and of course, let's talk about the number of officers we? the number of officers shall we? can't i'll see can't avoid that one. i'll see you in two.

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refugee in the uk. earlier on, gb news. radio. >> hi there, i'm michelle jupin. >> hi there, i'm michelle jupin. >> i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside the former brexit party mep enunciator rees—mogg and the author and commentator laurie laban. welcome back everybody. um, i was asking you what you think we should do . um, the corporation should do. um, the corporation tax rise couldn't come at a worse time, says angela. um, you don't want to see more tax rises . i mean, i have to say you are quite divided on this, though, john. he says no more tax cuts, but spend the incoming money on improving infrastructure , i.e. improving infrastructure, i.e. repairing potholes . improving infrastructure, i.e. repairing potholes. uh, graham says we should have continued with hs2. that would have helped productivity. um, let me know your thoughts on all of that. would you welcome tax cuts and if so, to whom? one of my viewers says, actually, why don't you raise the threshold and raise the threshold from the point where you start paying tax to is that something to £20,000? is that something you behind? tell me you could get behind? tell me

your of that. your thoughts on all of that. let's anti—social behaviour let's talk anti—social behaviour then, shall we? because police, they going to dividing up they are going to be dividing up among them. this is england and wales. going given wales. they're going to be given £66 million. a minimum of £1 £66 million. so a minimum of £1 million per force. it's all about focusing on, um, anti—social behaviour. i found it quite interesting actually. i'll bring up some images for you about how the prime minister actually introduced this. um, they're very much about they're talking very much about this . £1 they're talking very much about this. £1 million in funding would ramp up patrols. they say it could mean up to 900,000 hours, um, of patrols tackling violence and disorder , the violence and disorder, the equivalent of up to 540 extra visible police officers. um, in these hotspot areas . it goes on these hotspot areas. it goes on to make a number of claims. it talks about a trial or trials , talks about a trial or trials, plural. sorry that they've been running and the effects that they've made, they've had and also as well, says since also as well, he says since 2010, we've made big strides. we've recruited 20,000 more police officers and to cut crime by more than half. there's so much i could say about this, but

before i start myself off, um, annunciator. what do you think i the phrase a drop in the ocean has been used, but considering in the last decade the police budget went up by 9 billion, i think it is safe to say that 66 million really is a drop in the ocean. >> the current budget is 25 billion a year, and this is going to make remarkably little difference. however, i think the idea behind it is one we desperately need. i think the police need to be seen and they need to follow the broken windows theory that has been proven everywhere. it's been done to work that you tackle the anti—social, all the small crimes and it leads to big increases in safety of everyone. >> that's all well and good if you've got the officers to do that though, and when, um, prime minister says we've recruited 20,000 more police officers, well, that is to well, yeah, but that is to replace the 20,000 that you cut. so basically you've switched out 20,000 experienced officers and replace them with 20,000. i don't mean to be disrespectful

to them, but initially inexperienced officers , i think inexperienced officers, i think that's certainly a point to that. >> but one of the biggest problems with our police force is that if they arrest anyone, they spend the rest of their shift and quite often some of their overtime as well, filling out forms in the police station. and what we need is swift justice with the policeman back on the beat doing the job that we need them to do. >> indeed, laurie, i think that the what's good behind this is , the what's good behind this is, is the focus on the community. >> um, so i growing up, remember there being pcsos, the community support officers hanging around, you know, they were near the schools. some of us got to know them and it was a presence in them and it was a presence in the community of the police. um, and that really did act well. it meant that people understood culturally the problems of the community. the police understood that them and per that we respected them and per the you were saying about the point you were saying about cuts in the number of cuts in the in the number of police look police officers, if we look actually at cuts to pcsos, actually at the cuts to pcsos, there about 17,000 of them.

there are about 17,000 of them. when the conservatives came in in 2010, by 2022, that had about halved to about 8000 pcsos. similarly, with special constables as well, those um volunteering police officers, there are about 20,000 of those at the beginning of the 2010s. and that dropped by over half to about 8500. so there's been this massive paring back of the capacity of the police to be in the community. and this is a direct result of the underinvestment that i was talking about earlier. and it comes back to haunt us. >> how how much more investment can be required. the amount spent police budget has spent on the police budget has gone 56% in a decade. that gone up by 56% in a decade. that is way of inflation. that is way ahead of inflation. that it is not the lack of resources. it's the lack of focus and focusing on the wrong things and paperwork and filling in forms need to be cut right down to the bare minimum so that the police can do their actual jobs. >> so i agree with that. there's a lack of resource in certain places, so there are less pcsos. and i think that that is a

problem. um, there is a very acute lack of resource money, resource . we're talking about resource. we're talking about people resource ipso, but money resource criminal justice resource in the criminal justice system, been system, the cuts that have been experienced the 2010s experienced there over the 2010s was significant. that has was significant. and that has backed a massive backed up create a massive backing our ability to backing up of our ability to process cases and to actually keep that going , and also keep that going, and also people's to justice, people's access to justice, because legal aid has been cut. so the consequences of so these are the consequences of underinvestment. i don't know the figures about the current police budget and how that may or not have gone up, but i or may not have gone up, but i do figures for how the do have the figures for how the number and so on are number of pcsos and so on are not the community, and i not in the community, and i think that's i agree that think that's and i agree that pca pcsos can provide an incredibly useful service . incredibly useful service. >> my cousin was and >> my cousin was one and i remember saying that he was remember him saying that he was the eyes and ears. he knew where every single you know person was , what their modus operandi was. he had the intelligence to feed into the police, who could then knock on their door and deal with the crimes. and i think having that reassurance within the local neighbourhood is also extremely useful . however,

extremely useful. however, sadly, the police federation often, quite often hates having pcsos around because they feel they're coppers on the cheap. >> aaron says why are we spending more money on policing? if the law essentially seems to be on the side of the offenders ? be on the side of the offenders? i've got to say there's been quite a few things recently that have made me look at that and 90, have made me look at that and go, hang on a second, which side are we on with this? ian says the only way you're going to stop any of this is for more police on the streets and increased stop and search powers and nigel you'll know and nigel farage. you'll know this up at 7:00, this by now. he's up at 7:00, nigel. good evening to you. just quickly. what do you think to this policing situation? when is it going to fix? is extra million odd quid? >> you know what? if we don't allow police to do stop and allow the police to do stop and search? if we don't stop saying we can't stop this community or that community for of being that community for fear of being called racist, we're never going to sort knife we're to sort out knife crime. we're never sort out street never going to sort out street crime. we're never going to do it. we've to become a it. we've got to become a country that is colour blind .

country that is colour blind. >> forgive me, nigel, again. i couldn't you there, but couldn't hear you there, but i appreciate your passion. i could see it coming through. nigel farage, his show at farage, of course. his show at 7:00. i'll be tuned in for that. thank you for now, nigel. um, look, this whole notion of. because people will write in and tell me, um, youth clubs , it's tell me, um, youth clubs, it's all because people have closed the youth clubs that these kids have got to do. so now have got now to do. so now they're on the doing they're on the street doing things they be. what things they shouldn't be. what do to that? do you think to that? >> i think that when you >> yeah, i think that when you when you think of crime and social disorder within a community, you have to think of the things that can create order and cohesion within the community and anywhere that provides shared space for that provides a shared space for that community to come together to and to know each other and and get to know each other and do productive do positive and productive things that things will help with that cohesion. youth clubs are an example that. i grew in example of that. i grew up in a community where there the a number of centres were the number of youth centres were the hub a certain generation and hub for a certain generation and they got cut as we head into 2010s and that means that there are just less places for people

to go and develop community cohesion and cohesion. and it's similar . we cohesion and cohesion. and it's similar. we had a youth centre, we had a pcso who we got to know. there was a whole set of building blocks that made for a cohesive of cohesive community. a lot of those blocks have been taken away from this under—investment that saw in the 2010s. that we saw in the 2010s. >> what do you think to this whole notion that because or the kids this stuff kids are doing all this stuff because they don't have the youth clubs, think we have to youth clubs, i think we have to also not just to the also look not just to the community and the government community and to the government to provide support, but to parents and to parents to look after their children, to discipline their children and to give them guidelines for life. >> but also it is your job to >> but also it is yourjob to keep your kids busy and entertained and doing more wholesome things. but what about all children ? go. i'm a bit all children? go. i'm a bit bored. what i want to do is go and smash some windows or steal some sweets or whatever. yeah, but what if you're a single parent and you're having to go and work and juggle all kinds of different during the day, different jobs during the day, dunng different jobs during the day, during the night and all the rest of it? >> so physically you're not able

to be there when your kids get back or whatever. back after school or whatever. so you're not there do what so you're not there to do what you activities you call wholesome activities with literally with them, because you literally have over their have to put a roof over their head and food in their stomach, which obviously does have to come first. which obviously does have to con but rst. which obviously does have to con but their well—being is more >> but their well—being is more than accommodation. it than food and accommodation. it does guidance, and does have to be guidance, and that doesn't stop you keeping them and them disciplined and well brought up. knowing right from wrong. >> think lack of >> do you think lack of discipline parental discipline is laurie i don't know. >> i'm i'm not a parent myself yet the parents i know are very good at keeping a good balance with the discipline of their kids. i think the situation that you're talking about is one that we should inspect though , we should inspect more, though, which is that are a which is that if you are in a situation where there aren't youth clubs, aren't public youth clubs, there aren't public spaces to come spaces for the community to come together are together for. people are struggling economically at struggling a lot economically at the moment the cost of the moment with the cost of living. are going find living. you are going to find yourself situation where yourself in a situation where the majority people the vast majority of people will just leading just be, you know, leading harder lives the other worlds harder lives in the other worlds would done wouldn't would have done they wouldn't commit will be commit crimes. but there will be a naturally an uptick of some people who who just have not got

a naturally an uptick of some peo opportunitiesjust have not got a naturally an uptick of some peo opportunities and have not got a naturally an uptick of some peo opportunities and mightot got a naturally an uptick of some peo opportunities and might end>t the opportunities and might end up mistakes. and we up making mistakes. and so we should those conditions should look at those conditions in which the community exists, the conditions, the the economic conditions, the services on. is allison's services and so on. is allison's got touch. got in touch. >> my viewers, she says, >> one of my viewers, she says, i am a former officer and you can give the forces the can give the forces all the money that you want, but ultimately to change money that you want, but ultiisystem to change money that you want, but ultiisystem of to change money that you want, but ultiisystem of arrest, to change the system of arrest, investigation, paperwork and prosecution . i think some of the prosecution. i think some of the points that you were just echoing there as well, um, mike says the problem with today's forces that too many forces is that too many specialist been specialist departments have been created of created and there's lots of empire on, he empire building going on, he says senior staff. um, jack , says by senior staff. um, jack, is that how you say your name? um, you're saying that surely there's nothing more antisocial shall crippling cities with shall than crippling cities with protest marches and sit ins all of the time? graham says. we don't need more police. we need harsher punishments. don't need more police. we need harsher punishments . um, harsher punishments. um, jeanette says we should use the money to hire back civilian workers so that more officers can be available on the streets. but she worries that perhaps she'd just be moving into the territory of diversity. um

officers, what do you think about most often ? search. is about most often? search. is that way forward? one that the way forward? like one of just suggested of my viewers just suggested earlier on? >> think part of the >> i think it's part of the toolkit. again , you if toolkit. but again, you if you've got a community that's experiencing a number of problems like economic hardship , problems like economic hardship, um, you've got to work with that community as a whole. >> economic hardship to annunciators point, it doesn't mean that because you struggle with there'll a lot of with money, there'll be a lot of people that struggle with money that don't struggle with morals, that don't go out and create, um, crime and violent um, commit crime and be violent and the rest of it. so the and all the rest of it. so the two don't always go hand in hand. >> yeah, sure. and stop and search is not a magic wand. none of can be magic of these things can be a magic wand. need a you need wand. you just need a you need properly. you need a good number of things like community of community policing, well resourced community policing thatis resourced community policing that is able to work cohesively with the community that hopefully has some of the services provide shared services that provide shared spaces with that spaces with with people that they and i think we also do they can. and i think we also do really need laws that are appued really need laws that are applied consistently that i think there's an awful lot of leeway given for turning a blind

eye on some things and really going after others. >> and i don't think that helps anyone understand where the line actually is. and if you just look at drugs laws, there are all sorts of, um, minor offences are ignored. but the general rule is that they are part of why wider criminal community. and just because it's your own possession makes no difference. and i'm it whether you want to totally legalise drugs or totally legalise drugs or totally ban them is a very different discussion, but you need consistent policing. >> and guangxi said, why ? why is >> and guangxi said, why? why is nobody talking about that elephant in the room? more drugs 7 elephant in the room? more drugs ? um, dawn says i am a youth worker and i've got to say, i'm fed up of hearing we need more youth clubs. um, she says, no, we don't. apparently. she says this generation of young people don't going to youth clubs don't like going to youth clubs because do things because they can't do things like and drink alcohol in like vape and drink alcohol in them. she says youth clubs, as people remember them, are obsolete. i say she's saying obsolete. and i say she's saying that as a youth worker, what do

you make to that? lots more. i want to with you tonight want to cover with you tonight on show. i to ask you, on the show. i want to ask you, how do we tackle anti—semitism? your thoughts on that? the numbers of people now saying that have been attacks, numbers of people now saying that going have been attacks, numbers of people now saying that going through an attacks, numbers of people now saying that going through the ttacks, numbers of people now saying that going through the roof, 5, etc. going through the roof, what's that? you what's behind that? do you think? and how do we it? think? and how do we fix it? i'll see you

the court earlier on, gb news radio . radio. >> hi there, i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside the former brexit party mep nunziata rees—mogg and the author and commentator laurie lebon. welcome back everybody . i see a welcome back everybody. i see a lot of people are having none of this notion that actually kids are going around and stabbing each other because there is no youth clubs, but you don't tell me what your answer is to all of this situation. of course, you've seen that awful scenario where i think where another a boy, 16, i think he today. i mean, he was stabbed today. i mean, it's just there's no winners in any of this. the people doing the stabbing, i mean, what do you apart from a life

you gain apart from a life behind and mean, for behind bars and i mean, for what? often these things i'm what? and often these things i'm not saying about this particular case often it's based on stupidity. who is in which stupidity. like who is in which postcode. i mean, really, is that of the level you want that kind of the level you want to live your life at? i just think it's such a tragic shame for person for every single person involved, i have to say. anyway look, talk look, let's talk about anti—semitism , shall because anti—semitism, shall we? because reports um, reports of anti—semitism, um, in the has apparently reached the uk has apparently reached a record high last year, uh, 4103 anti—jewish here. incidents in 2023, compared . to 1662 in 2022. 2023, compared. to 1662 in 2022. apparently that's one in every 67 jewish people in england and wales has been abused . what do wales has been abused. what do you think is going on here and uncinata, what's what's behind this ? this? >> i think it is a very varying worry , very worrying direction worry, very worrying direction of travel and the uptick has been enormous since the october the 7th. horrific attacks . and

the 7th. horrific attacks. and i have a fear that that we as a country are becoming increasingly accepting of , of increasingly accepting of, of attacks on jewish people for a fear of offending other people. and that concerns me hugely , and that concerns me hugely, that it reminds me of the rochdale or the tram phobic debate where good people are scared to stand up for what is right, but if you look at the figures that, uh, 1 in 67 jewish people has been attacked , there people has been attacked, there are only 269,000 jewish people in the country . and if you in the country. and if you compare that to another religion, if you compare it to islam , that 1 in 1107 teen islam, that 1 in 1107 teen muslims was attacked in the same kind of way. both are unforgiving , able. kind of way. both are unforgiving, able. but we kind of way. both are unforgiving , able. but we have unforgiving, able. but we have to look after the minorities in our country and at the moment the most attacked is the jewish population . population. >> laurie, what do you think to

her? >> i think it's awful, and i are particularly struck by the increase in physical violence and attacks on property and behind those stats are awful human stories of what that means in practice. so so i was shocked, actually , by this. we shocked, actually, by this. we obviously heard about increases in attacks and hate towards the jewish population on the full scale of it is shocking to see and as and as the artist says, it's something that doesn't have a place in british society. >> and 416 of these attacks , >> and 416 of these attacks, which is 10, were in the one week after the october attacks . week after the october attacks. now that is before israel took any action against hamas or in gaza. there there is not any kind of justice location, however much you might say. you hate zion, however much you might hate zionists, which is code for anti—semitism in my view , that people have decided view, that people have decided to switch the word because it

sounds a little bit more palatable to attack a nation rather than a religion or a race. but but nothing had been done by the israelis at that point . these are pure point. these are pure anti—semitic acts and do you think, um, are we getting to the point where, i mean , because i'm point where, i mean, because i'm going through some of these types of incidents. >> i mean, some of them are absolutely horrendous. um, you know, you've got vehicles driven at pedestrians , um, in ten of at pedestrians, um, in ten of these, um, things. i mean , it's these, um, things. i mean, it's absolutely inexcusable victims being struck with metal bars , being struck with metal bars, uh, kicked, punched , spat at. uh, kicked, punched, spat at. um, it's just awful . it really um, it's just awful. it really is awful. so um, bricks thrown at people, uh, stones , bottles, at people, uh, stones, bottles, etc, etc. unforgivable unacceptable. um, my question is, though, because i was listening to a conversation about this earlier on and, um, somebody said, well, are we saying that you can't criticise

israel's response ? because if israel's response? because if you criticise israel's response to the situation in gaza , is to the situation in gaza, is that now deemed to be anti—semitic, whereas i don't think these two things are linked. i mean, i think there's no comparison between driver of a vehicle at somebody. um and having an understandable issue with children being bombed in gaza. what do you think ? gaza. what do you think? >> i think large segments of the jewish population in, uh, in the uk disagree with the policies of the netanyahu administration in a of people in israel a lot of people in israel disagree with them as well. and i think netanyahu serious i think netanyahu is in serious political trouble. i agree with you that we should be able to talk about that specific issue of the policies of the current israeli government and ensure that that is not blurring into the but the lines are being blurred by people for their own ends >> in my view, that there are plenty of examples on, for example, x, as it's now called,

where people try and cover their their pure anti—semitism . um, by their pure anti—semitism. um, by saying it's anti zionism and they could be attacking the government. netanyahu definitely deserves criticism, but they're not. and when you start calling, um , zion a city panic, you are um, zion a city panic, you are very definitely crossing into the lines of religion not politics. >> what do you make to it at home? get in touch and tell me your thoughts on that. coming up after the break, we did an exclusive gb news exclusive excuse me. going behind the scenes of raids barber shops scenes of raids on barber shops now suspected of employing migrants , criminal gangs migrants, criminal gangs exploiting the high street. we'll get to this after the .

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rees—mogg and the author and commentator laurie lebon alongside me. leslie says why are we focusing, um, just on things like anti—semitism when it comes to hate speech ? what it comes to hate speech? what about the what? what's happening with at with the christians at the moment he's moment she's talking or he's talking about the preachers that have just been in trouble? you might want to look when you're bored. moore show's bored. wait, tom moore show's finished, bored. wait, tom moore show's finishewant to have a look at the might want to have a look at the met police. they've come out and basically said that the media are in their are being unfair in their reporting what's gone with reporting of what's gone on with that christian i'll that christian preacher. i'll leave to look into leave you guys to look into that, indeed you're that, if indeed you're interested. but for now, news interested. but for now, gb news homeland went homeland security editor went with immigration police for with an immigration police for a raid a shop. let's raid on a barber shop. let's just a little look at what just have a little look at what was going on. >> heading into this suburb of oxford, these immigration enforcement officers are en route to raid a local barber shop. it's suspected of employing illegal immigrants , employing illegal immigrants, part of a growing phenomenon where these high street businesses are being increasingly exploited as fronts

for criminality . for criminality. >> i've got to be honest . i've >> i've got to be honest. i've got to be clear as well, the majority of barber shops, etc. of course , are fine. they're of course, are fine. they're legit operations, no problem. but we're not talking about those ones. we're talking about the actually the ones that actually are anything that are anything but. find that are fronting a criminal activity. what do we do about this ? what do we do about this? >> i think we have to have a zero tolerance approach approach to employing illegal immigrants in this country. b we need a border policy that functions , border policy that functions, and c we need to stop the boats and c we need to stop the boats and if we could actually achieve at least one of those, we would make a significant difference. and you optimistic that we can achieve one of them? um, i think if we had a strong government who were willing to change the law to prevent us being hamstrung by foreign courts , hamstrung by foreign courts, yes, it's all about leaving the echr. >> you mean i am? are they? go lorry , how do you think we fix lorry, how do you think we fix all of this? >> all right, so i'm struck by the similarity of this to these american sweet shops that have

sprung up all, all around london, sort of fronts london, which are sort of fronts for money laundering stuff. for money laundering and stuff. and happened and and that partly happened because when lockdown occurred, shops bust . and then shops went bust. and then landlords want to fill, get people in and they're going for people in and they're going for people so i think people a bit dodgy. so i think this partly about this is partly about rejuvenation of our high streets. i think we should give certain local certain incentives for local businesses, people to businesses, local people, to use some these lots so that they some of these lots so that they can start really productive can start up really productive businesses, but also back to our discussion on the police. businesses, but also back to our dis

of our economy to be undercover, untaxed, black economy, encouraging lots of other crime. >> um , jeff has been in touch >> um, jeff has been in touch and said on one road near me, we've got 40 teen barber shops that have opened in the last two years. i mean, i am laughing, i don't know what your, um what youn don't know what your, um what your, your hair is like where your, your hair is like where you live, but i can only assume that you're not all walking around with massive thatches that need sorting out. 14 barber shops on one street. i mean , i shops on one street. i mean, i sit here and i think what's going on in terms of planning, how are you? because, you know, there's rules in terms of like for example, betting shops and all the rest of it, but surely someone must be sitting there and alarm bells must ringing and alarm bells must be ringing somewhere, indeed that story somewhere, if indeed that story is accurate that this 14 is accurate and that this 14 even not 14, even if even if there's not 14, even if there's just five, why would you have five barber shops on street? >> i forget how long ago it was, but the story was that nail bars were doing exactly the same. and what i've noticed in skegness is that some nail bars have gone

and barbers have opened their and barbers have opened in their place . the buildings are being place. the buildings are being repurposed , but the actual repurposed, but the actual underlying reason for them being there probably hasn't changed. >> um, who's this? gareth says there's about 20 car washes in a six mile radius where we live. but this is what i'm saying. surely someone in planning departments are sitting here and they must be certain things that ring alarm bells shouldn't, isn't there? do you not think it shouldn't take, like, um, huge kind of undercover investigations and all the rest of it to figure out some of this stuff? should it really? um, anyway, lots of people appreciating the conversation tonight you tonight saying thank you to you both. brave bunch. both. also you're a brave bunch. i you at the start, i was asking you at the start, um, would you go to the moon? at this technology ? um, this stage in technology? um, david i would definitely david says, i would definitely go. i would trust my safety in heading to the moon right now more than i would walking around london. uh, late at night, he says. london. uh, late at night, he says . anyway, look, that's all says. anyway, look, that's all i've got time for. thank you very much, laurie, for your company. enunciate .

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>> yes , we are in recession. >> yes, we are in recession. rishi's five pledges are looking ever more tricky . i'll ask rishi's five pledges are looking ever more tricky. i'll ask and debate tonight. are we getting poorer and could labour make it any better ? a huge rise in any better? a huge rise in anti—semitism in the uk is the future for jews living anti—semitism in the uk is the future forjews living in future for jews living in britain now looking very bleak indeed. britain now looking very bleak indeed . and joining me on indeed. and joining me on talking pints, it's a voice known to tens of millions over half a century, broadcasting sports broadcaster legend jim rosenthall . but before all of rosenthall. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good

evening to you. well, the top