will disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining me in the next hour, broadcaster on columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew laza now coming up throughout the next few hours, my hot topic, my roundtable discussion, we're talking air turbulence means you fancy flying. there's been a rise of cases with passengers and crew getting injured. we'll find out from the experts what exactly is it then .7 remember exactly is it then? remember him.7 exactly is it then? remember him? former mp scott benton. he'll be joining me in the studio as my political spotlight . a daily mail gb news poll exclusive poll found a tory wipe—out could be on the horizon. we'll discuss that then. running saved my life , then. running saved my life, says my difficult conversation guest today. she's living with cystic fibrosis , but defying the cystic fibrosis, but defying the odds. just this week, she broke a guinness world record. sophie grace holmes will be joining me live in the studio . you will not live in the studio. you will not want to miss her story, but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines .

your latest news headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 3:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom as the battle lines are being drawn in the fight for votes , with both the votes, with both the conservatives and labour unveiling their campaign buses featuring the slogan clear plan, bold action and secure future. the prime minister told a crowd his party can be trusted to take decisive action. he's pledging to give millions of pounds to towns across the country, adding another 30 to the 70 previously announced . announced. >> it's a hundred towns across our country. they're going to receive £20 million each and, crucially, it will be local. people in all those areas are in charge of how to spend that money, to make sure it's spent and invested on their priorities. an example of us levelling up everywhere, backing local people and their priorities and giving them the long term funding assurance to do so. the methodology that selects these towns is something

that's been used multiple times before. it's all public. it's based on areas levelling up needs, looking at economic opportunity, skills and health and life expectancy. so it's an objective set of criteria , all objective set of criteria, all published online. but i'm not going to make any apology for supporting towns and launching his battle bus. >> sir keir starmer described the tories levelling up pledge as a phoney gimmick. the labour leader says his party's data reveals which areas will be hit if the conservatives get back into government, with figures showing people in the north—east of england will be £5,400 worse off, and families in the south—west will be £4,300 poorer. >> we won't change the powers with you because the voters with you, you have to vote for change. we have changed this labour party and put it back in the service of working people. what we're asking now, humbly asking, is the opportunity to change our country and put it back in the service of working

people , and that requires both people, and that requires both setting out our ambition to change the country, but also the first steps, the down payment , first steps, the down payment, if you like, stabilising the economy, making sure we can deal with our waiting list, getting back people back into work, setting up great british energy to keep bills down. they are the first steps to the change this country desperately needs . country desperately needs. >> and reform uk's honorary chairman nigel farage has been speaking in sutton . speaking in sutton. >> what reform have to do is to say to people who agree with our policies, come out and vote for us. you'll find. well, i love reform, but i'm still going to vote labour because my granddad did. i love reform, but i want to vote conservative because i want to stop labour getting in. and they're the counter—arguments that you get with insurgent political parties. but this is different this time. >> and first ministerjohn >> and first minister john swinney had a message for voters in scotland. >> what's important is that the snp goes to this election to win it, and that's what we're about. we're going into this election

to win it and the north—east of scotland, we've got a really good opportunity to contribute towards removing the conservative government by making sure that snp mp ensure that snp candidates who are the challengers in each of the conservative held seats in the nonh conservative held seats in the north east, are able to win those seats. so i would my message, in short, to voters in the north—east of scotland is to vote snp to remove the conservatives who have done so much damage to the communities and the people of scotland . and the people of scotland. >> and in other news, thousands of officers are in central london to police a number of protests today . a rally protests today. a rally organised by tommy robinson has gathered in parliament square where speeches are taking place. the metropolitan police says it's monitoring a number of individuals spotted in the crowd, who have a history of being involved in violent disorder. in a separate demonstration, a number of youth demand protesters have been arrested for trying to block traffic. the group is calling for an end to military action in gaza. the force says it has a

robust operation in place in case of disruption . the prime case of disruption. the prime minister, rishi sunak, says he hopes hamas will accept a new deal outlined by the us president to end the conflict in gaza. the us brokered proposal would begin with a six week ceasefire. hostages would be freed in exchange for the release of palestinian prisoners , and israeli troops would have to withdraw from populated areas of the strip. hamas described the three phase roadmap as positive, but a spokesperson for the israeli prime minister says the israeli prime minister says the war will not end until all its goals are achieved , and king its goals are achieved, and king charles has personally given a card to a d—day veteran who's celebrating his 100th birthday today. jim miller was invited to buckingham palace, where he spoke to the king about his experiences during the second world war. mr miller landed on the beaches of normandy in june 1944, and took part in the allied military operation, he said he was totally surprised

and delighted to be invited to the palace and for the latest story , sign up to gb news alerts story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common shirts now it's back to . nana. shirts now it's back to. nana. >> thank you sophia. good afternoon. if you've just joined us, it's just coming up to seven minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua and it is time to mock the week . and what time to mock the week. and what a busy one it's been. rishi sunak doubled down on compulsory national service. he introduced the triple lock plus and a crackdown on anti—social crackdown on anti —social behaviour crackdown on anti—social behaviour and fly—tipping these students weren't impressed . students weren't impressed. >> why do you hate young people so much? you make us go to the army. you're making us know you have a choice. you'll have a choice. you won't all my life. and then you will love it. you will love it. why do i have to do it again when i'm finally coming out of education? and

then, because i think it's. i wouldn't do it like that. a culture of service is a good thing for our country, and in the midst of the diane abbott saga , sir keir starmer flies to saga, sir keir starmer flies to west scotland via a gas guzzling private jet to talk about renewables and gb energy. >> with six pledges, he's offsetting his carbon, so it's all okay. >> there are some reports this morning suggesting that you flew here on a private jet. >> is that true ? >> is that true? >> is that true? >> yes. we did use a private jet because we needed to get very quickly to scotland . quickly to scotland. >> really? ed davey is living his best life. if he's not falling in toxic water cycling or sliding down water slides, he's baking cakes. he made his party's opposing view on the tories pensions and income tax announcement known. >> it's rather remarkable they're trying to make out this is some great policy. when they were the ones who increased taxes on pensions in the first place by not raising the allowance, it was the liberal democrats who fought hard to increase the income tax allowance to help pensioners and help people on low incomes, and

the conservatives froze those tax allowances. so i don't think pensioners or anyone else is going to be fooled by the conservatives having broken their promise, having raised taxes now suddenly just before election, saying they're going to do something different. >> reform leader richard tice unveiled his policy to heal britain from its addiction to cheap overseas labour by imposing 20% national insurance on foreign workers. i think for too many people, work doesn't pay too many people, work doesn't pay and that's what we've got to do. >> we've got to overcome this addiction. if you want to bring in people from overseas, then there's a price to that because this great country of ours, this incredible nation, we've all paid for it over decades and decades. so it's not unreasonable to expect you to chip in a bit . chip in a bit. >> and how many times could you use the word rigged? donald trump became a convicted felon for hiding payments for stormy daniels and could end up in jail. >> we're up six points in the

daily mail poll now. maybe other polls come out. it says something differently, but a lot of people have predicted it because the public understands and they understand what's what's going on. this is a scam. there's a rigged trial. it shouldn't have been in that venue. we shouldn't have had that judge. he should have allowed allowed us to have an election expert. we had the best expert, most respected expert, head of the federal election commission. he was all set to testify . he was waiting for two testify. he was waiting for two days. and when it was his turn, bragg's people protested and the judge knocked him out. said, you can't testify , right? can't testify, right? >> well, it's been a mucky old week . well, coming up, comedian week. well, coming up, comedian louis shafer will be making light of this week's top stories in mock the week. then, at 320, it's my hot topic. my roundtable discussion . we're talking discussion. we're talking turbulence. it's been causing havoc recently. ten people were

injured on a flight from doha to dubun injured on a flight from doha to dublin and this became this has been terrible. a british man died also on board a singapore airways flight. then at 335 will be joining me live from tel aviv as us president joe biden says it's as us president joe biden says wsfime as us president joe biden says it's time to stop the war in gaza. it's time to stop the war in gaza . then joining me to shine gaza. then joining me to shine a light on the political hot seat today is former mp scott benton. well, we'll discuss the latest polling figures ahead of the general election on the 4th of july. he's my political spotlight now that's coming up. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing . everything we're discussing. send me your views. post your comments. gbnews.com/yoursay . a. comments. gbnews.com/yoursay. a. oh, that's exciting, isn't it? we're gonna have a little bumbling from joe biden soon, right. joining me now to shine a light and also my comedian, louis schaefer, gb news presenter, who is schaefer? it's been a busy week, isn't it? loads of things going on. yeah. >> amazing. and you called me a comedian, so that's a good day for me. haha. >> that was a joke. >> that was a joke. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> from me. >> from me. >> i can't tell .

>> i can't tell. >> very good, very good darling, very good. right. so what do you think? we've had a busy week. lots of politicians, politicians saying. >> yeah, by politicians. well where do i start? i mean that what's his name is going sunak rishi sunak of course he's not going to appeal to the kids. he's lost. he's lost the kids. he's lost. he's lost the kids. he knows he's lost. he's trying to hold on to his old his old people who are going to vote for him. i just feel sorry for the guy who's been put in over his head. he's had a good time. he's like a guy at a at a at, at alton towers or whatever at disneyland. he's there for the day. >> well, some people would argue that he put himself in there, didn't he? he wasn't put in there. they got rid of boris, didn't they? >> yeah, they did, but that doesn't mean you have to win. he's there. he'll always be a next prime minister. and so he should be. he should be happy that he was at least there for a while. it's like, i don't know what's going to happen afterwards, whether, whether the tories are going to the tories will survive the same way . do will survive the same way. do you think? i think that they will. it's really hard in this country. it's a very conservative country. it's very hard to get rid of a political party. >> do you think? on i don't know. yeah. i mean look, the

labour party, you saw sir keir starmer there. he had an issue with diane abbott this week. that was interesting . that was interesting. >> yeah, what are we talking about diane abbott diane abbott. >> starmer. >> starmer. >> yeah. well, i feel bad. i feel bad for him. he doesn't want her around, but he forgets . want her around, but he forgets. he forgets. he forgets. it's not. it's not his. his party, his country. but i wouldn't want her around. she's she's trouble for him. she's going out with the other guy. you know . the other guy. you know. >> you know she was years ago. i don't think she's still hanging out with jeremy corbyn. i think. >> i think they're in. they're in touch together. i think jeremy corbyn is the kind of guy who keeps his friends, which is why i'm here. >> and what about sir keir starmer? then he came out with the gb energy . of course he flew the gb energy. of course he flew their private jet. yeah, well i mean the whole the whole climate thing is a total scam . thing is a total scam. >> it's like it's as bad. sorry. it's as bad as, it's as bad as covid. it's an absolute lie. >> people would say that covid wasn't a scam. and in fact, three years later, yeah, people there were people who got covid mildly. some people are dying within a certain period of time .

within a certain period of time. so they're looking at covid and seeing if there's actually a lot more to it, even for people who had a mild attack of it. so i think there's more to come out with covid, that is probably true. but it's the same. you know, it's the same thing with the flu. i would say it's one it's just called the flu. it was another flu. flu went down. flu totally disappeared. why am i discussing i don't know, where were we? >> we're talking about keir starmer. private jets. gb news. he flew there. it said it was a scam. >> it's a scam. it's a total lie abouti >> it's a scam. it's a total lie about i mean, here we are. i mean, you don't want to use today as well. this month is an example. it's been freezing. i'm absolutely everyone's free. today is june 1st. and it's people are wearing that which are closed. i've got my heating on. yeah i which actually emits more co2 doing that surely it would be better if the environment were warmer. >> then you won't need to use that. so you won't admit as much. >> so. but you are my heating. on >> so. but you are my heating. oh that's so sweet of you. >> thank you. i'm like, i love. i'm dressed as a flame. >> i love you, nana. >> i love you, nana. >> what about ed davey now? ed davey he was falling into the sea or the river that was supposed to be polluted. and he

was, he fell in five times as well. so he repeated it, which was deliberate. it feels like they're after column inches, isn't it? >> can't. can you tell me who ed davey is? >> he's the leader of the liberal democrats . liberal democrats. >> what is the what are the liberal democrats? >> i'm not sure their banner is orange. >> that's an example. that's an example of a political party that won't die. they got their seats. they're drifting. i mean, they were the liberal parties. they were the number one party. they were the number one party. they were the number one party. they were they were the as far as i know, i don't know him from america. >> they were a coalition party with the conservative party when david cameron led it. >> i'm thinking about 1917. they brought us into whatever was world war us. they brought britain into world war i, and then people got tired of him. i don't know what they do with democrats. i don't know what they do. what do they do if someone could tell? >> well, they have quite good coalitions, aren't they? because then unlikely to win. however, they do do command a good. they do tend to get quite a few seats. they're often the third party. yeah now what about reform uk? there's richard tice. he was talking tough on national insurance. >> he wasn't talking tough. >> he wasn't talking tough. >> well he was basically saying

if you are a foreign worker you pay if you are a foreign worker you pay higher national insurance . pay higher national insurance. >> if you you have to pay a higher national insurance, which makes those things that are bought with, produced by. i think this is how it works. it'll be all those things that are produced by that make me cost more money. >> even though. what's going on, do you? >> i do know what's going on. i've read. i've read everything. no, i read that. i read what he said, and i just thought to myself, i'm not voting for this. and i thought i could vote. i'm not voting for this guy because. because because we need. the reform party should be against immigration. it should be. it should. i'm not saying all that massive. >> what you're saying is, in fact, if you're against immigration, if you're saying that they should be very yeah, you are . you are. >> i am against immigration. >> i am against immigration. >> his idea is that mass immigration. he is trying to yeah, i get it. he's trying to encourage employers to employ british people rather than foreign workers who will cost them more . so that's what he's them more. so that's what he's leading on with his his plans. >> yeah , that's and that's what >> yeah, that's and that's what richard tice wasn't asked to do that the reform isn't asked to do that. make it nice so that people know if you eliminate

mass immigration and a million people are 750,000 people net a yean people are 750,000 people net a year, or whatever, if you eliminate that, then people will have to pay more money to british people. it's so simple. >> and finally, donald trump, donald trump, >> and finally, donald trump, donald trump , there he was. donald trump, there he was. >> how do i sound? do i sound too right wing? >> i don't know where you are with this. yeah. it's interesting. these are your views. you're perfectly entitled to them. what about donald trump though? donald trump, he went on about this whole thing. it's all rigged. do you think it's rigged against him, i think it's not just against him. i mean, you hope it's only against him because there's a million people outside donald trump who are willing to take over and do what donald trump didn't do. his first term, which he should have done the first term. he wouldn't have had this problem. the fact that they let these guys back in, it's joe biden in is being controlled by barack obama , controlled by barack obama, who's being controlled by bill clinton, who's being controlled by somebody else up there at the top of that, who it's somewhere in hugh hefner. >> who's he? >> who's he? >> it's somewhere it's team world. this is this is this show. lewis schaffer i'm not saying. when are you back? lewis

i'm in back tonight. eight. i think it's 8 pm. with leo. show could be 7:00, 8 pm. with leo show. you could see me. leo show down. yeah, it should be really good. well, you can watch me on headliners, which has been amazing. >> and it has. >> and it has. >> i love headliners lewis schaffer, was i too much do you think with tonight was too much? >> but that's why we love you okay. that's a brilliant lewis schaffer this is gb news on tv onune schaffer this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio coming up for rempe. scott benton will be joining me in the studio for the political spotlight. he's in the hot seat next, though. it's my hot topic. my next, though. it's my hot topic. my roundtable discussion on turbulence. this is

gb news. good afternoon. 21 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now. there have been some serious incidents involving extreme turbulence. and ten people were injured on a flight from doha to dublin. and this came after a british man died on

board a singapore airways flight, which left many more injured and lots of lots of blame has been put on climate change for an increase in clear air turbulence. change for an increase in clear airturbulence. but change for an increase in clear air turbulence. but what is really going on? that's the question. it's all a bit worrying. so joining me now is travel correspondent simon calder and travel aviation analyst sally gethin, and also climate scientist paul burgess . climate scientist paul burgess. i'm going to start with you, sally. air turbulence okay. what is it? >> so it's basically atmospheric conditions means that aeroplanes fly into and it can sometimes be caused by storms by, weather arising from mountainous regions. but also there's this type of turbulence you absolutely can't see. and it's unpredictable, called clear air turbulence. and that's the type of turbulence that has been causing most of the problems that we're seeing in recent days i >> -- >> people are blaming on climate change. so i've heard this quite a few times. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so this is an emerging science. where quite a lot of

research has been done already and is looking at the rate of incidents in recent flying history . and so there is, you history. and so there is, you know, the scientists are saying that, you know, given time, there's going to be more and more of this air turbulence. but also we, you know, must remember that simply the sheer weight of numbers , there are more people numbers, there are more people flying, there are more flights. so regardless of climate change, there's more likelihood of as a passenger for you to experience turbulence, right. >> let me come to paul burgess. is there any logic to the fact that people are saying it's climate change? you're a climate scientist? >> not at all, none whatsoever . >> not at all, none whatsoever. and all you have to do is look at the simple data. >> so i could i bring up i've given you a producer graph two. if you can bring up graph two, you're allowed to have graph two. >> let's see if we can. it's very simple. >> this what what will it tell us as you. us as you. >> us as you. >> it's going to tell you it's the lower part of the graph here is the amount of accidents per 100,000 hours. >> so that's the black line there. >> the black line there. the lower line is the incidence from

turbulence on passengers over the years. and there's no pattern there at all. there's no pattern there at all. there's no pattern there at all. there's no pattern there at all. if it was due to climate change, you'd see it turning up, etc. in fact, it's much lower now than it was back in 2003. so if you look at the data , but what you've got is the data, but what you've got is reading university produced a paper recently not based on observations, not based on facts, but based on a model in this little part of the north atlantic that ignored lots of things and predicted, as they all do, these models , it's going all do, these models, it's going to be a disaster in the future. this is a typical, to be a disaster in the future. this is a typical , typical this is a typical, typical taking weather event. taking a weather event and totally distorting. >> where are those figures from? >> where are those figures from? >> these are from the in america, from the faa. it's a government figure. >> what does that for? stand >> what does that for? stand >> that's the faa is the federal aviation aviation authority administration, federal aviation authority. all my graphs . i've authority. all my graphs. i've got another table, which is the number of actual accidents on passengers over the years here. and i have given you that. but if you read it, it's ridiculous. i mean, in 2009, there were ten

people affected and in 2022 there were four people affected. one, two, three. it's nothing. >> but these are in a row. simon calder, you travel a lot. do you experience much air turbulence? and to the extremes that we are seeing, what we have seen over the past ten days or so, particularly with the tragic singapore airlines flight, is some really violent turbulence. >> now, at no stage was the aircraft at all threatened, even though of course it was being hurled around. and i've studied the report so far for the singapore airlines event and the kinds of forces that those poor passengers and cabin crew remember . passengers and cabin crew remember. for them, this is effectively an industrial injury. went through was just awful. so, for five seconds they were travelling downwards at 26 miles an hour on average . miles an hour on average. imagine you're sitting there having a lovely time. they're serving breakfast all very nice, and then suddenly you are

dropping down. they had the sorts of g forces that you would normally get on a really, really extreme theme park ride. so this was awful, really upsetting. and of course, anybody who wasn't strapped in and anything that wasn't nailed down started flying around the cabin . awful. flying around the cabin. awful. and now singapore airlines has changed its policies to say, effectively, seatbelt signs on, we're not going to be serving any meals and everybody has to stay , strapped in. i conducted stay, strapped in. i conducted a social media poll immediately after this event, and by there was nearly 5000 responses by a majority of 5 to 1 people said, yep' majority of 5 to 1 people said, yep, you really should make it the rule that everybody, when they're sitting down, keeps their seatbelt on, just as you would do in a car, for goodness sake, how dangerous is the turbulence, sally? >> because 26 miles an hour going down suddenly and you know , obviously, luckily the plane was not at risk. but what are the risks if planes get caught

in this? >> yes. so you nailed it. it's a danger to human beings, but not necessarily the aircraft itself. aircraft are stress tested to withstand incredible forces. but as a human being, if you're not strapped down, basically anything that isn't bolted down is likely to rise suddenly. or in some cases, if the plane jolts upwards, you can be pinned to the actual floor. >> so obviously the kind of jumping upwards is also a turbulence . is that as well? turbulence. is that as well? >> yeah, that's also a certain jolt upwards. sudden rise. and of course passengers are likely to experience fractures and injuries where there's a lot of collisions. so you imagine the, the food trolley the food and beverage trolley is quite considerable weight that can take off the same as a human being. so it's literally like blunt force trauma to a lot of people. >> why can't the planes see this turbulence? because presumably some turbulence you can see in some. >> yeah, they can see certain types of turbulence coming and they're fitted with equipment to look ahead. and also pilots share data and air traffic

control shares, you know, warnings about turbulence. and they might even plan a different, trajectory for their journey based on turbulence. but this clear air turbulence, not enoughis this clear air turbulence, not enough is known about it. this clear air turbulence, not enough is known about it . much enough is known about it. much more work needs to be done about it. but there's also an emerging science called lidar technology , science called lidar technology, which is a very cutting edge. and that could , offer and that could, offer potentially a solution to this. >> paul , does the turbulence >> paul, does the turbulence move about or does it is there one pocket that everyone knows about and you can avoid it? >> no no no it moves. it moves about. by the way, i think for the first time ever on gb news, i agree with all the panel here. you know, i really do because no one's tried to relate it to climate because there's no connection. that's what we do. >> keep hearing people saying that though. yes, i know we do. >> well, they use any excuse. they say it's climate is, you know , against races, against know, against races, against particular people and so on. that's all nonsense . i'm here to that's all nonsense. i'm here to stop that ridiculous sort of claim and the data shows there is no movement. there's no pattern to air turbulence and the air turbulence, the air

turbulence can be like, if you're going over a mountain range, you can actually get a hole like this. now that can actually project you up just as actually project you up just as a lady said, or it can project you down. right. that can happen. that's life. accept it. >> all right. well, so, simon. so there's no way of avoiding it, really. they could they get better technology? yes. they can to see it. >> the lady explained that perfectly. you explained it , perfectly. you explained it, simon calder. >> i'm going to. i'm going to portugal soon. i want to avoid planes. what would be my best options? >> okay, well, you will find it will take about ten times longer. >> it will cost probably five times as much. and arguably. well, if you make it, make the journey which will take you if you're starting off in london, you've got to get across to paris. you've got to get across to pans.then you've got to get across to paris. then you can go from there to, let's say on day on there to, let's say on day on the french spanish border. from there , you get a little local there, you get a little local train across to san sebastian . train across to san sebastian. then you can catch the train from there onwards to lisbon. so it's going to take quite a lot of time, it will cost probably about 3 or £400 as opposed to 50, 60, £70 to get to, portugal ,

50, 60, £70 to get to, portugal, but, you know, you'll have an adventure. however, i think the chances of anybody, i hope being hurt in turbulence over the next few months is extremely low because people will keep their belts on. and that, i think, is we'll see more and more airlines changing their policies to reflect the fact that turbulence is now the most dangerous thing that can happen to you on a plane. i mean, last year we saw no crashes involving passenger jets at all, an amazing record . jets at all, an amazing record. and now it's clear that actually, a turbulence is more likely to cause you harm than you being involved in an accident. so i'm going to keep flying happily, but i'm going to be all strapped in, just like i'm driving along in a car. >> okay . thank you. well, when >> okay. thank you. well, when you need the loo, though, that's the worrying thing. you don't want to be the one going to the toilet. perhaps do some sort of rope or something. they can put on you. right. let's go to terry tozer now. he's a retired former pilot and author of confessions of an airline pilot. why planes

crash. terry tozer i wanted to ask you about air turbulence and your experience as a pilot. have your experience as a pilot. have you been through a lot of air turbulence? >> well, i guess so , i mean, >> well, i guess so, i mean, everybody, goes through turbulence on almost every flight to a degree, what you don't encounter is really severe turbulence very often, i've only had one really remarkable event. >> nobody was hurt because everybody was strapped in, the aeroplane. well withstand quite aeroplane. well withstand quite a quite a beating, and in fact, it's quite ironic, really, because one of the reasons that i wrote my book was because people kept saying, i'm terrified of turbulence. it's the one thing that scares me . the one thing that scares me. and my reply has always been, it's the last thing you need to worry about. the chances of being hurt as a result of turbulence are vanishingly small , but can you see it as a pilot as you're flying? can you see it? does it look like anything? is there are there suspect

clouds? i don't know. >> well, it depends . >> well, it depends. >> well, it depends. >> there are basically two causes. as a general rule of turbulence. >> one is clear air turbulence, which happens at high altitudes where winds conflicting with one another create, a turbulent environment . environment. >> but the other one is to do with convective or instability, related. big clouds, like thunderstorms. if it's a thunderstorm, if a cloud's got moisture in it, your weather radar should pick that up. >> and so you can usually avoid it, but you can't see clear air turbulence. >> i'm afraid. >> i'm afraid. >> sadly not. thank you very much. that's the view from the cockpit. that's what he's saying. any final thoughts? final thoughts? >> yeah. there are some things you can do to actually help yourself in these situations. as simon said, you know, make sure you're buckled up at all times, especially also on a long haul flight. if you're sleeping. but also, there's some anecdotal evidence from flight attendants that people who are flying at

the rear of the plane, sitting at the back, tend to suffer more impact than people seated further forward in the aircraft as well. and it goes without saying, make sure everything is safely stowed away, either in the overhead locker or safely under the seat in front of you. quickly >> you said it's true. why is that true? why is it safer at the front and the back? >> it's a leverage. the fulcrum of the aeroplane is around the wings, so if you've got a long lever, if you've got something at the back, you're going to get more movement than the fulcrum than near the fulcrum. so fly over the wings if you can, and strap yourself in and don't go to the toilet. that's the advice. thanks. just very, very briefly , anybody who's watching briefly, anybody who's watching who thinks turbulence, i hate it. i'm scared of flying and decides to drive instead. you are vastly increasing your risk profile. >> that's true. but then if the plane's going down, it's going down and you're vastly at risk of not surviving. that's the difference. i think . but yeah, difference. i think. but yeah, you take your choices, you make your choices . just belt yourself your choices. just belt yourself in. belt up is what i would say, right? thank you very much. paul burgess, also simon calder, sally gethin and, terry tozer.

well, that was our roundtable discussion on air turbulence. hopefully you feel good about flying now. this is gb news on tv on nine and on digital radio coming up at four. my monologue as grenada demands bank, the bank of england pay slavery reparations. what are your thoughts? but first, let's get your latest news with sam francis . francis. >> nana, thank you very much and good afternoon to you. it's just after 3:30, a look at the headunes after 3:30, a look at the headlines this hour. and first to election news. the battle lines are being drawn in the fight for votes with both the conservatives and labour unveiling their campaign buses today featuring the slogan clear plan, bold action and secure future . the prime minister told future. the prime minister told a crowd that his party can be trusted to take decisive action. rishi sunak is pledging to give millions of pounds to towns across the country, adding another 30 to the 70 already announced . meanwhile, launching announced. meanwhile, launching his battle bus, sir keir starmer described the tories levelling

up pledge as a phoney gimmick. the labour leader says his party's data reveals which areas will be hit if the conservatives get back into government with figures showing people in the north—east of england will be £5,400 worse off, while families in the south—west will be £4,300 poorer. thousands of officers are in central london to police are in central london to police a number of protests, with a rally organised by tommy robinson gathering in parliament square this afternoon. the metropolitan police says it's monitoring a number of individuals spotted in the crowd, who have a history of being, they say, involved in violent disorder in a separate demonstration, a number of youth demand protesters have been arrested for trying to block traffic. the group is calling for an end to military action in gaza. well the met police says it does have a robust operation in place in case of any disruption , and prime minister disruption, and prime minister rishi sunak has said that he hopes hamas will accept a new

deal outlined by the us to end the conflict in gaza. a six week ceasefire has been proposed for hostages to be freed in exchange for the release of palestinian prisoners. it would also require israeli troops to withdraw from populated areas of gaza. hamas have described the three phase roadmap as positive, but a spokesperson for the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, says that the war will not end until all its goals are achieved . that's the latest are achieved. that's the latest from the newsroom and other updates in the next half hour. until then, do sign up to gb news alerts. you can scan the code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. >> thank you sam. just coming up to 37 minutes after 3:00. oligella is on the way next. but first, it's officially summer and we've got a brand new summer giveaway £15,000 in cash to make the summer spectac colour. it's a brand new iphone, airpods and

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>> welcome back. 41 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. we are britain's election channel. i'm nana akua now foreign secretary lord cameron says that hamas must accept the new ceasefire deal outlined by the us president, joe biden. now, the us brokered proposals would begin with a six week ceasefire . hostages would have ceasefire. hostages would have to be freed in exchange for the release of palestinian prisoners. and joe biden says it's prisoners. and joe biden says wsfime prisoners. and joe biden says it's time for the to war end. >> it's time to begin this new stage for the hostages to come home, for israel to be secure, for the suffering to stop. it's time for this to war end . for

time for this to war end. for the day after, to begin . the day after, to begin. >> well, joining me now is performer and mystifier uri geller. uri, welcome to the program. you heard joe biden. what are your thoughts ? what are your thoughts? >> look, nana, we were all caught by surprise by president biden's speech last night, but what he had to say was very, very important . let me tell you very important. let me tell you and your viewers why here? the us president was saying to hamas, enough is enough. it is up to you to end this war. he was saying the ball is now in hamas's court. don't forget our hostages. and there are 124 of them. they have been held for nearly eight months. innocent men, women , children and even a men, women, children and even a baby. you know that, nana. and don't don't forget, these hostages are not held even in bafic hostages are not held even in basic prison conditions. they're

held in dark, airless tunnels deep below ground. they have injuries. they have illnesses . injuries. they have illnesses. the females are getting sexually attacked. look nana. look at this picture. this young woman is called noa agomani. she was taken hostage on the 7th of october. yesterday, hamas released a cruel, cruel video of her pleading not to be allowed to die there. look, nana noor is only is the only child of her parents. her mother is dying. she's dying from brain cancer. she's dying from brain cancer. she's in a wheelchair now. nana, you tell me what kind of monsters. what kind of monsters ? monsters. what kind of monsters? evil monsters taunt the dying mother of an innocent hostage. this tells you everything you need to know about the evil of hamas. now let me show you something else. look at this photo in a moment. look, nana, i'm going to say something now.

which is going to shock. shock? you and your viewers. this proposal, which biden spoke about, is a very bad deal. now, you might say , what is wrong you might say, what is wrong with it? what is wrong with peace for hostages? well, nana, do you remember a famous scene from 1938 when the british prime minister, neville chamberlain, came back from the negotiating with hitler and declared peace for our time? well, in my view, this is a repeat of that moment. this proposal lets hamas off the hook. it lets hamas survive , hook. it lets hamas survive, have to rebuild, to rearm and to attack israel again. it will be only a matter of time before we have another october the 7th. look, biden said hamas is no longer capable of carrying out another october the 7th, but he is throwing them a lifeline.

nana 17 of the hostages have american citizenship . don't american citizenship. don't forget biden is fighting an election . so for him, it would election. so for him, it would be a quick political win . now, be a quick political win. now, finally, biden does not live next to hamas. we do. i do the only the only solution is a complete destruction of hamas. otherwise we will face this all over again. and finally, finally remember what happens in gaza actually matters to the british election, to the pro—palestinian wing of labour could be a big problem for keir starmer, and i think this will become a more of a headache for him in the run up to vote on the 4th of july. this is my opinion and thanks for having me again on your show. >> thank you ari, thank you so much for all your thoughts. of course, i haven't seen the video. i can't verify the video, but we hear you, we hear your passion and we pray that the war ends. passion and we pray that the war ends . thank you very much. ends. thank you very much. that's uri geller, mr farage.

he's fabulous. he's there in israel with his view. right. stay tuned. next up , scott stay tuned. next up, scott benton, former mp, will be in the hot seat to shine on the latest polling in my

if you've just joined me. welcome. this is gb news on tv. online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. it's 48 minutes after three. it's time for this week's political spotlight . and joining political spotlight. and joining me to shine a light. former mp scott benton , a tory wipe—out, scott benton, a tory wipe—out, could be on the horizon with a devastating new poll showing the conservatives could be reduced to just 72 seats, with tactical voting considered. that could drop to just 66. labour is also predicted to win by a huge landslide, with 302 potential seats. the majority of the polling suggests that the conservatives would return only around seven more mps in the liberal democrats . well, joining liberal democrats. well, joining me now is a former mp, scott

benton . scott, welcome. benton. scott, welcome. >> hello, nana. great to be joining you. right. >> scott . well, you've been on >> scott. well, you've been on a worldwide mystery tour. we'll get into that because every time we speak to you, you're somewhere else. you lost your seat, didn't you ? seat, didn't you? >> i did, two months ago, i resigned as a member of parliament. so a great shame for my own personal point of view. >> i made a mistake. >> i made a mistake. >> ultimately paid the price for that. i would have loved the opportunity to put my case forward to the good people of blackpool south in this election, but it's amazing how many tory mps have actually texted me over the last ten days since the election to be to be saying ultimately , you better saying ultimately, you better off out of this because really there's not a cat in hell's chance. we'd have probably kept your seats, but i think you probably know that's the case. >> they're all saying, crikey, so what of the conservative party in your view? what's what you see now ? you see now? >> well, the poll we saw last night was absolutely shocking. not in the sense that it was unexpected. >> we've been seeing the tory party be 20 points behind in the polls for the last 18 months, but it was shocking because of the potential implications for our democracy . our democracy. >> imagine if the most famous

political party in the world, the most successful political party in the world, were to be reduced to less than 100 seats. but that's on the cards. >> polls are a snapshot of pubuc >> polls are a snapshot of public opinion. >> they don't lie. >> they don't lie. >> and don't forget, we're nearly a quarter of the way through this election campaign now. and if the polls are going to greatly narrow , i think we to greatly narrow, i think we would have seen that process in place. they clearly haven't. they haven't moved an inch. and i think we'll be great concern at cchq at the poll last night. and the fact that the policy announcements we've seen this week to squeeze that reform vote just haven't had that effect at all. so very worrying times for the party indeed. >> so on the screen we've got the gb news people's poll. this was done with the daily mail as well, a number of seats predicted to be won by each party at the general election. now, the labour party predicted to win 493 unless by some miracle , that is. well, i mean, miracle, that is. well, i mean, who knows? there seems to be lots of divisions in the labour party. they've been arguing over diane abbott most of the week . diane abbott most of the week. >> absolutely. labour have had a stinking week.

>> we've had to. diane abbott fair. we had this energy announcement yesterday which fell flat on its face. but labour's issue is they don't actually have to do anything at the moment. if labour sits on their hands for the next five weeks, i think they would be the decisive winner. it's not going to be a vote in favour of keir starmer. i think people seem as dull as dishwater. he's got no personality. people don't particularly see him as a strong figure, but the one thing he does have going for him is the fact that he doesn't scare people. this isn't jeremy corbyn. in 2019, scaring middle class tory voters on the economic impact of his plans. it doesn't have policies , and doesn't have policies, and because he's seen as a safe pair of hands and people are sadly, from my point of view, fed up with a tory government , he from my point of view, fed up with a tory government, he is going to win by default. the big question mark is what do these people do who haven't made up their minds? people who may be wavering between reform and conservative. all of those factors will, in essence, decide the size of labour's majority . the size of labour's majority. well, what about what about reform ? >> reform? >> where are you with them having seen their performance? are they eating away at the tory

party votes ? party votes? >> well, well clearly they are. they're winning it ten, 11% in the polls, vast majority of which are disaffected tory voters. but i think reform had missed a golden opportunity in this election. we have the tory party at its lowest ebb in 100 years, and very few people enthused to vote for the tory party reform should be edging towards 20% in the polls. this was a golden opportunity once in a generation, to really remake the rights of politics in their image. i think they've failed spectacularly to do so. whether or not it's because the lack of money, the lack of infrastructure, the fact that farage isn't leading the party, all of those factors, and i think only 20% of people actually know who richard tice is in the general public, which explains a lot of the dissatisfaction out there and why voters who would normally vote conservative aren't jumping to reform in the numbers they are. having said that, they will have a decisive outcome in some marginal seats, but i would expect their vote to be squeezed

as we move towards polling. >> what about the liberal democrats ? because ed davey is democrats? because ed davey is throwing himself into all sorts of things? >> well, he is literally down a slide down a hill on a bike. i mean, what can you say about the lib dems? they're an absolute joke, frankly. i mean, he's lucky to actually be in a job ed davey after his role in the post office scandal. well, he would argue that he was one of many. >> he wasn't really him solely, but apparently alan bates did come to him directly. >> i think that's true. and i think there's a lot to be said for what you've just said. nana it wasn't on him directly having said that again, what we saw in 97, 2001, 2005 was the lib dems emerging as a real option for progressive voters? we haven't seen that at all at the moment. i mean, the less than 10% in the polls, they're going nowhere. these stunts this week from ed davey , who almost like a cry for davey, who almost like a cry for attention from a seven year old boy who just wants a bit of publicity, but of course, they could have a decisive outcome in many constituencies his around the london commuter belt. well, listen, scott benton sounds very interesting that scott benton ex—mp stay with us.

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here into low single figures. so we start sunday. then on a pretty clear note across much of england and wales, lots of sunshine. just 1 or 2 mist patches still lingering from the overnight period. notice though, some low cloud across the far southeast, but that will gradually burn away as we go through the morning. lots of sunshine across the north of england pretty much wall to wall sunshine to start the day here. but notice out towards the northwest there is that rain to contend with. certainly across the west of scotland, just edging into the far west of northern ireland too. so eastern parts of scotland shouldn't fare too badly to start the day on sunday, as we go through the rest of the day on sunday, those outbreaks of rain in the far north—west will gradually start to push in a little bit further across parts of northern and western scotland into parts of northern ireland too. so a fairly damp day unfolding here. but elsewhere across the uk it's generally set fair high pressure, as i say, generally in control. so lots of sunshine around and then places pretty much unbroken sunshine going into the afternoon . and with into the afternoon. and with that sunshine and fairly gentle winds feeling pretty warm, slightly down towards the south and southeast, up to 23 or 24 celsius. those outbreaks of rain in the far north—west will gradually push their way south

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who's. >> good afternoon. it is 4:00. this is gb news. we're on tv, onune this is gb news. we're on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion . it's mine, it's theirs. opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy . and

from columnist lizzie cundy. and also she was very clever with those glasses on. and also former labour adviser matthew laza then has electioneering lost its dignity. recent campaign antics from the parties have sparked debate over their professionalism, so ed davey was seen riding a children's waterslide in somerset, raisi sunak playing the football and keir starmer using a private jet to launch labour's clean energy plan. you really couldn't make this up then. for difficult conversations, i'm joined by a fitness contender and cystic fibrosis campaigner sophie grace holmes. she'll be here live to tell me how she's kept herself alive by the power of fitness and keeping active. and then this week's clickbait . can biden this week's clickbait. can biden really run for presidency again ? really run for presidency again? >> i was sort of raised in the puerto rican community. i had a very close relationship with the greek american community. for real, i am joe biden, nopoulos before we get started, let's get your latest .

your latest. news. >> a very good afternoon to you. it's just after 4:00. a look at the headlines from the gb newsroom this afternoon. well, the battle lines are being drawn in the fight for votes with both the labour and conservative parties attacking each other's economic records. the prime minister says his opponents will run out of money, while the labour leader, sir keir starmer, says the country's crying out for change. speaking to a crowd in front of the conservative campaign bus this afternoon, rishi sunak has been pledging to give millions of pounds to towns across the country if he's re—elected, adding another 30 to the 70 already announced . the 70 already announced. >> it's a hundred towns across our country. they're going to receive £20 million each and crucially, it will be local. people in all those areas are in charge of how to spend that money, to make sure it's spent and invested on their priorities. an example of us levelling up everywhere, backing local people and their priorities and giving them the long term funding assurance to

do so. the methodology that selects these towns is something that's been used multiple times before. it's all public. it's based on areas levelling up needs, looking at economic opportunity, skills and health and life expectancy. so it's an objective set of criteria , all objective set of criteria, all published online. but i'm not going to make any apology for supporting towns. >> well, launching his battle bus, sir keir starmer has described the conservatives levelling up pledge as a phoney gimmick. the labour leader says his party's data reveals which areas will be hit if the conservatives get back into government, with figures showing people in the north—east of england will be £5,400 worse off and families in the south—west will be £4,300 poorer. >> we won't change the powers with you because the voters with you, you have to vote for change. we have changed this labour party and put it back in the service of working people. what we're asking now, humbly asking, is the opportunity to change our country and put it back in the service of working

people, and that requires both setting out our ambition to change the country. but also the first steps, the down payment, if you like, stabilising the economy and making sure we can deal with our waiting list, getting back people back into work, setting up great british energy to keep bills down. they are the first steps to the change this country desperately needs. >> and in scotland, the first minister, john swinney, also had this message for voters. >> what's important is that the snp goes to this election to win it, and that's what we're about. we're going into this election to win it. and the north—east of scotland, we've got a really good opportunity to contribute towards removing the conservative government by making sure that snp mp ensure that snp candidates who are the challengers in each of the conservative held seats in the nonh conservative held seats in the north east are able to win those seats. so i would my message, in short, to voters in the north—east of scotland is to vote snp to remove the conservatives who have done so much damage to the communities

and the people of scotland. >> turning from election news now to london, where thousands of officers are policing a number of protests in the caphal number of protests in the capital, with a rally organised by tommy robinson gathering in parliament square this afternoon. the metropolitan police says it's monitoring a number of individuals spotted in the crowd, who they say have a history of being involved in violent disorder. and in a separate demonstration, a number of youth demand protesters have been arrested for trying to block traffic. the group is calling for an end to military action in gaza . the met police action in gaza. the met police says it does have a robust operation in place throughout the next few hours. in case of any disruption in the prime minister. rishi sunak has praised a proposed ceasefire deal set out by president joe biden, calling it welcome news. he's calling on hamas to accept the new deal to end the conflict in gaza. the proposal would end the fighting there and return hostages, beginning with a six week ceasefire. however,

israel's government says certain conditions still need to be met by hamas . ticketmaster has by hamas. ticketmaster has confirmed a data breach, with hackers claiming to have access to the details of up to 560 million customers. the shiny hunters group is reportedly demanding £400,000 in ransom to prevent names, addresses and some payment details being sold on the dark web. ticketmaster's parent company , live nation, parent company, live nation, says it's now launched an investigation and it says it is working with authorities across the world. and finally, king charles has given personal personally given rather a card to a d—day veteran who's celebrating his 100th birthday. jim miller was invited to buckingham palace, where he spoke to the king about his experiences during the second world war. mr miller landed on the beaches of normandy in june 1944, and took part in the allied military operation. he

said he was totally surprised and delighted to be invited to the palace for the latest stories , sign up to gb news stories, sign up to gb news alerts. you can scan the qr code on your screen or go to our website gb news. common alerts now, though, it's back to . nana. now, though, it's back to. nana. >> thank you sam. it's just coming up to seven minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now hidden under the rubble of the elections is a demand for reparations. and this time, it's to the bank of england. grenada have demanded that the bank pay for their part in the slave trade. look, i'm so sick of this. in a letter to andrew bailey, the bank's governor, the government of grenada insists that the bank pay for its involvement in the atrocious slave trade. now the bank had around about 600 slaves in the 18th century, and the government of grenada claimed that the work

regime punishments inflicted both physically and psychologically, and the immeasurable suffering endured , immeasurable suffering endured, have multiplier effects on our current populations of african descent . look, i don't know if descent. look, i don't know if you've noticed , but nobody who you've noticed, but nobody who was involved then is alive now. and bear in mind that the trade was legal at the time, and there would have been people from grenada who were descendants of those who profiteered. how will you sort them out from the people who were impacted negatively? it's just nonsense. and who gets the money? if you pay and who gets the money? if you pay for it? it's not that cut and dried. why should i pay for it from my taxes? centuries later, when no one involved is still alive? now, you could argue that i've benefited from the trade just because i'm black doesn't mean that i was a victim. it's wrong on so many levels. should i be chasing all the people who have wronged me in the past? back in 1976, when i started school, i was the only

black kid there . they chased me black kid there. they chased me into the wendy house on my first day. they asked me, give me one thing that you can do. i said , i thing that you can do. i said, i can run and i barged them out of the way and ran . they couldn't the way and ran. they couldn't catch me. and from that day on, everyone wanted me on their sports team. i could have been traumatised . i've never traumatised. i've never forgotten it. should i seek some sort of compensation for the trauma? no. i know it's not the equivalent to slavery, but they are seeking compensation for the negative impact centuries later. how can you quantify this? the truth is, you can't. back in 1981, my sister cut the corner of my pencil case. very clever. i didn't realise it until i picked it up and all the pencils slid out one after the other. very good darling, very good. again, not equivalent, but i'm still upset today. then there was the time. blah blah blah blah blah. should i be seeking some sort of reparations from those people who've affected me negatively? no no, because with the negatives come some of the

positives as well . and that's positives as well. and that's the point. it is utter hypocrisy. no doubt the people of grenada use smartphones, laptops and cars . and what about laptops and cars. and what about the slavery involved creating those you can't expect reparations whilst participating, albeit innocently , in current day slavery. the government in grenada have requested a meeting with the representatives of the bank to outline a reparations package. i say jog on. it was tragic and horrendous, but it was nearly 400 years ago. perhaps we could all focus on eradicating modern day slavery, which is still going strong today. day slavery, which is still going strong today . but before going strong today. but before we get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, has electioneering lost its dignity? recent campaign antics on the parties has sparked debate over their professionalism , so ed davey was professionalism, so ed davey was seen riding a children's water slide in somerset, rishi sunak playing football and keir

starmer using a private jet to launch labour's clean energy plan. who do you trust to lead the nation? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking has electioneering lost its dignity? then at 450, it's royal round—up time. royal biographer angela levin will be here to give us the latest from behind the palace walls on the menu king charles and prince andrew's flight over the home. their fight over the home that the king pays for and could the trooping of the colour be slimmed down to just three royals on the famous balcony ? royals on the famous balcony? then, at five, it's this week's difficult conversations. fitness contender and cystic fibrosis campaigner sophie grace holmes will be here to give us how she's kept herself alive by power. the power of fitness. you won't want to miss that one that is coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. send me your views, your comments. visit gbnews.com/yoursay . right. let's gbnews.com/yoursay. right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, and also

former labour party adviser matthew laza wright. matthew laza . we'll start with you. laza. we'll start with you. reparations, reparations, reparations . reparations. >> so i thought you put a very strong argument forward there. and i don't think that these and first of all, i think the chances of them getting him a very, you know, are zero, from, from the bank, from the bank of england in this instance. but i don't think you can blame them for asking because they want what they're doing is they're using a call for reparations to highlight the impact that slavery has had on their societies. and you can't blame the bank of england for saying no. and many other government organisations are going to say no as well. i mean, the thing is, the church of england has a bit of a wobble and sort of not exactly given reparations, but put a sort of atonement fund together that is designed to make up for its sins , back in make up for its sins, back in the, you know, you know, back in the, you know, you know, back in the slave trading era. so i can't blame them for asking, but they're not going to get it. and i think you made a strong argument. >> lizzie cundy well, it's like my uncle albert was a train robber. >> is that my fault? >> is that my fault? >> do i get the blame? lizzie this is news. >> up. lock her up, lock me up. >> up. lock her up, lock me up. >> we found an excuse. >> we found an excuse. >> look, we have to learn from

the wrongdoings of the past. everyone knows the cruelty of slavery, and we learn from it. we can't rewrite history. >> but what is? >> but what is? >> how are we going to prove this? and how is it possible? how? how it doesn't make any sense. nana, i mean, how can people from the past, from the present be, you know, be told it's just so stupid what happenedin it's just so stupid what happened in the past times? >> i get so sick of it, you know, mental trauma. we went through this with. look, you don't even know whether . so. i don't even know whether. so. i don't even know whether. so. i don't think my family were involved in the slave trade. as involved in the slave trade. as in that we were slaves. i think maybe we were slave owners. just because it's very hard to. >> i mean, as you say, it's very hard to tell a descendant of slave owners, but so what happens to me then? >> you know, what should i be doing ? do i have the trauma? no, doing? do i have the trauma? no, because we own the slave. so we would have had plenty of money. do you know what i mean? it doesn't matter. just because i'm black. that doesn't. that's not how it works. i think it's really simplistic. when people are calling for reparations for

this, when whilst chugging away on their smartphone, whilst going on their laptop, whilst wearing cheap clothes, i'm like, look . look. >> without thinking about how the developing world impacts, interacts with serious about it, then set down your phone, set down all the stuff you're using now because it's all got links to slavery . to slavery. >> but where do they get these figures from? how is it calculated and how are they supposed to, you know, give this out. how does it actually work? it doesn't make sense. i'm sorry. as i said, let's learn from the past. learn from our mistakes , let's, you know, talk mistakes, let's, you know, talk about it and educate people. but let's leave this well alone for the good of peace. >> do you think that's quite clever? my sister as well. the pencil case. i thought that was quite clever. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i don't even notice. i picked up the pen. the power relations. >> now, has she actually been forgiven? we are . forgiven? we are. >> i might try it on matthew. >> i might try it on matthew. >> oh, she's still paying a price. lizzie already tries to get them, not let me in earlier. so, you know, i never let him in. >> i know, but, you know, you just kind of think, where is this ever going to stop? it's going back hundreds and hundreds of years. how is this

calculated? where do they get to this amount ? this amount? >> yeah. and who are you going to pay? well, this is the issue. and of course, the bbc reporter whose family had links to the slave trade , trevelyan, who's, slave trade, trevelyan, who's, gave, i think it's 100,000 from her sort of section of the family , so people, you know, she family, so people, you know, she got a lot of coverage for it. she's a very nice woman, but but it seems a bit naive. >> well, there's 100. there's more than 100,000 people in grenada, so that's like £1 a person. >> yeah, exactly. so she ends up being pretty tokenistic . being pretty tokenistic. >> she was serious. she should put everything down, give everything away because that's, you know, that's what she's ultimately saying. i mean , i ultimately saying. i mean, i think when people said then is how do you extrapolate from the trevelyan family finances, what we know came from then and was made a lot a long time after the slave trade was abolished? it is, isn't it? and they set up a foundation called to slavery, where i think i can't remember how many people, at ten or so very wealthy people got together to say , oh, look, we've had to say, oh, look, we've had we've received where we are now is because we use slaves. so we'll give you a tiny, tiny , we'll give you a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny.

>> and then it looks incredibly tokenistic , i think people we tokenistic, i think people we should be educated about the past, learn from it. but let's just put this. >> and i think that the acknowledgement of the sins of the past, which is which has happened over the last 20 years and the acknowledgement of the, you know, the awful reality of the atlantic slave trade is , is the atlantic slave trade is, is a very worthwhile thing. but i think it's impossible to calculate reparations . calculate reparations. >> well, i think it's worthwhile, but perhaps we could stop doing it now then, if we're really serious about it. actions speak louder than words. >> modern slavery is a huge issue, as you say. frankly >> you know, paying somebody because apparently years and years ago, you they may have been involved in some way negatively impacted by something that someone 400 years. yeah. >> no no, no no it will never end. >> how far do you go back as well? i mean, how far do you go. >> go all the way back to mankind where mankind came from? africa. yeah. so actually, it's our fault. no >> there we go. >> there we go. >> are we going to sue normandy over the invasion? you know, the invasion of 1066. >> we were all black once. if that's the case, then who did? where do we go next? look, i think reparations. you know, if the people are still alive. and it's something that just

happened recently and everyone's there, then there's a case for it. but 400 years later, forget it. but 400 years later, forget it. forget it. nice try. right. we'll stay tuned. this is gb news on tv , online and on news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua coming up in my royal roundup. angela levin will be here to give us the latest from behind the palace walls on the menu. the king and prince andrew, his fight over andrew's home that the king pays for andrew wants to stay. the king says go trooping of the colour. the slimmed down, maybe just three royals, but next it's time for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, has the electioneering lost its dignity? i've got to pull up right now on asking you that very question. has electioneering lost its dignity? cast your vote now

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news. we are britain's election channel. and it's time for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking you, has electioneering lost its dignity now? recent campaign antics from the parties has sparked debate over their professionalism. as we approach the general election. i mean, to start, you had sir ed davey, who was seen riding a children's water slide. i mean, in somerset, riding a children's water slide. i mean, in somerset , there you i mean, in somerset, there you have rishi sunak playing football in chesham. he really needs to work on his skills there. look at him and then you got sir keir starmer facing criticism for using a private jet to launch labour's green energy plan. >> there are some reports this morning suggesting that you flew here on a private jet. >> is that true ? >> is that true? >> is that true? >> yes. we did use a private jet because we needed to get very quickly to scotland . quickly to scotland. >> see, this just feels like it sums up uk politics in a nutshell . i mean, also in nutshell. i mean, also in america you have trump and the way that's been going on. so what do you think? in general, the parties? have the campaigns lost their true meaning with all of the stunts and then looking

across the water at america, do you feel that politics is just disseminating into some odd, odd, odd swamp? so for the great british debate this year , i'm british debate this year, i'm asking, has electioneering lost its dignity? joining me now , its dignity? joining me now, doctor roger gewolb, former adviser to the bank of england, stella chan takeda, former labour adviser, and matthew stadlen , political commentator. stadlen, political commentator. stella, are you impressed ? stella, are you impressed? >> i'm so impressed. you did so well. >> well done. thank you darling. thank you so much. right. i'm going to start with you, then start as soon as you're there. look, we've seen a lot of this politicking and all this electioneering, and it just feels very all of it seems to be looking a little bit messy, undignified . what are your what undignified. what are your what are your views? do you feel we're sort of heading down a sort of cesspit? stella >> oh, sorry. >> oh, sorry. >> you're talking to me. i was talking to you after what i thought. i'm so sorry, i was. >> i will tell you what i was looking at. nana. so there is this campaign. there is this guy called global largan, and he's a conservative mp, and he has released a poster that's called

labour for lagaan . and it's red. labour for lagaan. and it's red. it's completely red. you cannot tell that he is a conservative mp and if you go on his website, he has also released a similar poster saying reform for lagaan . poster saying reform for lagaan. so we are talking about the dignity in electioneering . and dignity in electioneering. and here you have it, a conservative perspective . member of perspective. member of parliament who is campaigning as if he's not a conservative candidate so i'm okay with that. david, if i'm honest with you, trying to do what he's doing with attention grabbing , you with attention grabbing, you know, he's he's baking a birthday cake with a child. whatever that's that's all fine. i'm fine with that. but you have all of these conservative mps who are completely denying the fact that they are conservative candidates. so i would say this should be our main worry rather than , you know, trying to grab than, you know, trying to grab the attention of the media with whatever way. and frankly , the whatever way. and frankly, the example of keir starmer using a private jet, he will have to use

private jet, he will have to use private jets a lot more often when he becomes prime minister >> so again, let's speak to matthew stadlen. i mean, look, they're talking all of them talking an interesting game . but talking an interesting game. but it it politics is feeling a bit somewhat undignified. these days. what are your thoughts? >> i think nato that we're having this conversation because of ed davey's stunts, and i think he'll be pleased about that because otherwise they might have been written out of this election. >> they had a disastrous election five years ago in 2019. >> you'll remember , of course, >> you'll remember, of course, just a few months ago, ed davey sort of seemed to disappear after he faced really quite awkward questions over his role or not in the post office scandal. >> he now seems to be having the time of his life and, crucially , time of his life and, crucially, he is drawing attention to the liberal democrats . liberal democrats. >> we are now starting to talk a bit more about lib dem policies. for example, their plan to introduce free school meals for primary school children across

the country. however, and i think there is a caveat he's got to be a little bit careful not to be a little bit careful not to go too far because otherwise people will not take him sufficiently seriously and might even think he comes across as a bit of a prat. >> well, he should have looked at perhaps michael foot and also neil kinnock and their antics, and perhaps thought again , roger and perhaps thought again, roger gewolb politicians, have always, especially in america , kissed especially in america, kissed babies and done all sorts of other stunts to , to, to bring other stunts to, to, to bring them closer to their public. >> but i think they've always kept their dignity, dignity and statesmanlike manner . whereas statesmanlike manner. whereas here the politicians that we have at the moment are, are pretty much i'm sorry, but empty vessels, people who don't have a lot of substance and this is the time that it really shows when they get up to these antics of again, trying to show that they're part of the regular

crowd and their regular guys, and they understand this and they really fall flat. i mean, rishi sunak, fishy rishi, you know, is just so divorced from the daily lives of ordinary britons and keir starmer. i mean, he just he just blows whichever way the wind is going and you can't really get a very solid statement about anything out of him. so i think that, yes, i think it's very embarrassing to see them do these photo ops and these other stunts and think that that's actually making people form a better opinion of them. >> well, what about with the whole situation with diane abbott? stella, you know, that was all a bit undignified as well. some people would argue that, keir starmer wasn't clear or she wasn't clear about where she stood in the party or where she stood in the party or where she could, whether she could stand. and you know, then another labour mp has spoken up and said that it's because of their ethnic or their because she's black and so on and so forth. i mean, stella, do you

feel that it's becoming a little bit , a bit feel that it's becoming a little bit, a bit undignified looking at all? >> so i am very disappointed with what's going on with the labour infighting. i don't think that keir starmer has been anything but professional, in his entire campaign. he's looking extremely prime ministerial and formal and professional. but the labour infighting, i think is something thatis infighting, i think is something that is going to start, to start having an impact on, on the voters because it offends people's natural sense of justice when they see an mp like diane abbott, who has been an mp for 37 years, and she just wanted to retire with dignity and respect, and it seemed like she was denied that. right. and then there was this massive u—turn, because obviously angela raynen u—turn, because obviously angela rayner, another labour party politician, spoke out and said, wait a minute, this is a different case from all the other cases. fine. you wanted whether you wanted to purge the left or whether this they were valid reasons for kicking all of these other people and not

letting them stand as labour mps. it's another question, but for diane abbott, i think this will have some will will start having some cut through because up until now it was like keir starmer, ruthless, ruthless technocrat , professional. fine. technocrat, professional. fine. but from now on i think people are going to say, wait a minute, you're so strong right now, you're so strong right now, you're doing this now , what are you're doing this now, what are you're doing this now, what are you going to do when you're in power? >> well, what about matthew sutton? what about rishi sunak? because rishi sunak was accosted by a load of kids who were saying, oh, you're ruining our future and everything? it's almost as though even the younger people appear to have no respect for our politicians . respect for our politicians. >> well, i saw a clip that went viral on social media where a young person looked about 18, the sort of person who might be having to do national service if the tories are to win again, the young person , rather bravely young person, rather bravely with a mobile phone, asked the prime minister as is his right, why he hates young people so much. >> that's an awkward moment for sunak, because sunak then talked

down to him. and as a politician you really want to avoid talking down to anybody. i have to say, i agree with stella that starmer is looking prime ministerial. i don't think he's playing these the sorts of gimmicky games that sunakis the sorts of gimmicky games that sunak is desperately trying to do because don't forget, although sunak called this election, he's desperately far behind in the polls. he is playing catch up, he is trying to debate starmer every week. he's trying to dribble, as we saw earlier in your clip around cones. >> but i think it comes across well. >> some would say there's a bit of a desperate dad. rishi sunak i think people people are not going to have the wool pulled over their eyes by sunak pretending that he's good at football. the difference with ed davey ed davey seems to be taking the mickey out of himself, and that's an important difference. >> really. okay. and then roger gewolb, yeah. well, i mean , ed gewolb, yeah. well, i mean, ed davey really, i just can't do conflate ed davey in the post office anymore. so that's a

write off as far as i'm concerned. i'm amazed he's still there , i thought rishi there. there, i thought rishi there. >> yeah. rishi, i just the day that rishi put the knife into boris's back and i saw rishi and liz , i said to everybody i knew liz, i said to everybody i knew these two are not prime ministerial. they will never be prime ministers. they just haven't got it. and i think i've been proved right, rishi is , as been proved right, rishi is, as matthew said, desperately trying every stunt and photo op and sleeve rolling up opportunity to make himself popular. but he just keeps sticking his foot in his mouth and he's so stingy. first we had £0.05 on petrol and now i mean, i would be embarrassed to stand up and announce to 68 million of my fellow countrymen that i have just given the pensioners a tax rise of a whole hundred pounds a yeah rise of a whole hundred pounds a year. can you believe it? i mean, both he and bates motel hunt are just unbelievable

characters. i don't know, they come from central casting, so of course they're not going to get away with it. >> well, that would be interesting. you know ? well, interesting. you know? well, listen, if you just tuned in, this is the gb news we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. was it a tax rise or a tax cut? roger. did he give pensioners a rise or a cut a cut a £100 tax cut. >> did i say rise i'm so sorry. tax cut. well i mean every time he gives a tax rise cut like the national insurance , all the national insurance, all the think tanks announced five minutes later that it's actually because he hasn't moved the thresholds a tax rise i suppose. >> i suppose if you look at it that way, that is true. roger gewolb. thank you very much. she's the former adviser to the bank of england. all right, former labour adviser and author matthew staton is a political commentator. well, what do you think? do you think the political parties are losing their dignity in the way they're behaving, not just in this country, but also in the states? we'll talk about trump as well in the next hour. i'm nana akua we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. this is a gb news britain's election channel.

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good afternoon. 39 minutes after 4:00. if you've just tuned in. where have you been? so that's fine. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time for the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, has electioneering lost its dignity recent campaign anfics its dignity recent campaign antics from the parties have sparked debate over their professionalism . as we approach professionalism. as we approach a general election. i mean, to start, you've got to ed davey

seen riding a children's waterslide in somerset, rishi sunak playing football in chesham. he needs to work on some of those skills . so keir some of those skills. so keir starmer, facing criticism for using a private jet to launch labour's clean energy policy. >> there are some reports this morning suggesting that you flew here on a private jet. is that true too? >> yes, we did use a private jet because we needed to get very quickly to scotland. >> i mean, does this sort of sum up the politics in this country in a nutshell? have the party campaigns lost their true meaning? so joining me now is the broadcaster columnist lizzie cundy. and also matthew laza. >> you've gone quite high up i know i was, i thought that but it wasn't. it was done for me by one of the team. >> oh well, because labour are up in the polls, that's what he's trying to do to feel superior. >> lizzie, i could never manage that. >> lizzie cundy deary me. >> lizzie cundy deary me. >> ed davey is he auditioning for a part in waterworld or something? the movie. what is he doing? i think he's trying to reach out to the under sevens, but they don't have a vote. i don't quite get him, i've

started calling him ed. dim. philip. dim. sorry but. starmer, let's let's have a look at starmer . i let's let's have a look at starmer. i mean, literally, he is painful . he he folds like is painful. he he folds like a cheap tent in a slight breeze. if you tackle him on anything to do with any detail on anything. and if i see him again in an empty football ground with his white sleeves rolled up, and you should have a word with him about that, because it doesn't look good at all. >> i think we discussed the yes, we did discuss this, didn't we also, rishi i mean, why don't they leave football alone? >> he obviously doesn't know anything about football, you know, he's showing off his football skills. he was absolutely useless and missed the goal. totally. he looked like he was going for his shoelaces were tied together, and i really, sadly, i would absolutely sack his pr guy because on the big bus, they had clear plan . it was in labour clear plan. it was in labour red. and then bold action was in reform colours. i mean, what are

they doing? it just they're fighting sadly, like i've got big bigger than muscles in you. it's like they're squabbling like schoolboys without reform though. >> you mentioned reform. what about them ? about them? >> i think they've done not badly, actually. we've got nigel farage that's going on every show, going on everywhere . i show, going on everywhere. i thought he was actually really, he was on question. i've got very i thought i thought fiona bruce really treated him unfairly on that and, and kept interrupting him and she totally got her facts wrong. i think she owes him an apology. >> really? what did she get wrong, it was about the national. i think it was. i can't quite remember, but i think it was about the nhs figures, stats. and she questioned it, i'll look that up, but i have to say, she was she was very rude to him. and i think reform have done very well. >> matthew laza. >> matthew laza. >> well. photo opportunities. i was the man who was brought in to make sure that ed miliband never ate a bacon sandwich or any other item of food anywhere near a television or press camera, i think we need to

remember they've always been a big they've been a big part since really 1979, when mrs. thatcher's election, which was the first kind of photo opportunity election , they've opportunity election, they've obviously been photo opportunities before, but the one remember the iconic image of her with the calf, and the trouble with photo opportunities is that the law of diminishing returns, because once you've done the one, you're the same shot once, as it were, it loses its impact. so actually, in 1983, mrs. thatcher went back to a farm. she put her hand into some straw, thinking she's going to pick up some straw. and in fact, she got her her hands covered in something that was not straw. that was in fact, dung. so. yeah, absolutely. so it is, it is it is a law of diminishing returns. the media demands it, you know, every day, you know, i was the broadcast officer every day. you had the broadcaster saying pictures, pictures, pictures and i was sometimes frustrated with the campaign. they weren't giving enough pictures to keep the broadcasters happy. but i think you've got to just have a little bit of dignity. i think ed davey those tacky stunts at the end, when they won a by—election, you know, we're going to get rid of this. the blue wall, that's the

blue wall was one thing. i think they need to kind of find something a little more serious to do than, you know, be going on. >> on. >> but he's fighting a local election, isn't he? and i have to say, where i'm from, my home town of richmond, loads of liberal. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> they love the posters and signs everywhere. >> interesting. all right, well, listen, what do you think? gb views that gb news. com or why not go to gb news forward slash your save? this show's nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british voice, their opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. where should we're discussing. where should we go? on i think back to bristol. >> oh, it's a lovely part of the world. good zoo. >> lots of animals there, including leigh harris. leigh harris is an old one. the old ones are the best, what do you think the dignity of these politicians these days? do they feel like they're stooping lower than normal? >> oh, well, i think elections have always been a little bit mad. you know, i was thinking back to the 2001 general election when john prescott literally punched a protester in the face who threw an egg at him, and then you had that, that other one i remember, i'm old enough to remember this one. gordon brown, hot micked calling a labour support supporter a bigoted woman who said that,

which those were. the days, though . but i which those were. the days, though. but i think this one nana has just been a bit embarrassing so far. you know, first off, you had sunak utterly drenched outside parliament, you know, we've had ed davey, as lizzie was saying, who's probably the most embarrassing so far with his bizarre theatrical , overemotional theatrical, overemotional speeches and his blatantly staged water stunts, i've seen others saying that this is going to be one of the dirtiest general elections. you know, i think that remains to be seen personally. no, no, i don't mind a bit of banter, especially if it gets a little bit feisty , at it gets a little bit feisty, at least that might be entertaining, because keir starmer and, rishi sunak are probably the most dull and bonng probably the most dull and boring leaders this country has ever seen, but the one thing that did stand out for me the most, which you've already mentioned, is, it was keir starmer. the sheer colossal hypocrisy of starmer using the flight, private jet to fly to scotland. you literally couldn't make it up. but, you know, honestly, i don't think any of these gimmicks are going to make a huge amount of difference

anyway. conservative voters are very likely to stay at home at this election. they don't really care about watching sunak kicking a football. they just want real conservative. these are conservative voters i'm talking about. they just want real conservative values to for , real conservative values to for, vote and that's something that we just haven't seen at all from the conservatives. i think this is going to be the none of the above election. and i think people are going to stay at home and labour are probably going to win by default. so i don't think much of it makes a difference anyway. >> nana oh, lee harris, thank you very much. very interesting. thatis you very much. very interesting. that is lee harris. he's there in bristol. he's a great british voice. right. still to come, my difficult conversations. imagine keeping yourself alive by the power of fitness and keeping yourself active. cystic fibrosis campaigner sophie grace holmes will be to here tell her story. but next, angela levin will be here to give us latest from behind the palace walls in the royal

>> now there's always something going on in the royal household.

and this week has been no different. and each saturday, i like to give you a rundown. and who better to do so than royal biographer angela levin? angela, what's on the menu? >> well, the menu today really is the battle between king charles and prince andrew about his home royal lodge. >> it's gone on for quite a long time now because increasingly the place looks very dilapidated i >> -- >> no paint? no, you know, raw under the under the way that the whole thing is built and king charles thinks it's now ridiculous. >> it's got 30 bedrooms and there's only the two of them, him and his wife that are there, that he would come down to a very nicely decorated flat. but he doesn't want to. >> i think he's sort of this tension of holding on to things. >> you know, he's got 72 teddies and he doesn't want 72 really 72 teddies. >> and he has an aide who puts them all in the right place, and he doesn't want any of them to 90, he doesn't want any of them to go, any of them to be moved. >> and i think when you know

that you realise he doesn't want to let go of things that he feels are his, he's got a contract to stay there till 2078. >> but he's got to come actually make sure that he keeps it in a in a good state. >> there's dripping through the roof and all that. and he won't go out while it's being rebuilt because he thinks he won't be allowed back. but but they're hoping, actually that his wife will. fergie will encourage him, but she likes collecting teapots . so there's loads of teapots there. i mean, i would love to have a look because you imagine there's people who've got all these things, but it is quite serious actually, because it's, king charles gives him a £3 million a year to have safety and also another million just to have to keep it going. and it costs about £400,000 a month to keep the place going . so it is keep the place going. so it is ridiculous that he's there. and i think it's like anybody we get

to a certain age, his daughters don't stay there because they stay in london, and, you get paid when you downgrade and it's not a big deal. it's not hopeless. it's actually gives you a fresh feeling. and i think it's very silly that he he won't do it, but he's determined not to. and the king is determined to. and the king is determined to. and the king is determined to. and it seems that if he doesn't listen and make all these, decorations properly , these, decorations properly, that he's going to stop giving him the money, which would be very difficult indeed for him, because every five years isn't he meant to paint the outside and all sorts of things and the queen didn't lend him give him much money in her will. it all goes to the heir. so, charles has got the money. and so, you know, you just wonder how he would managed because he's only got, you know, what he can do . got, you know, what he can do. >> i will manage. you can move somewhere cheaper like the rest of us. i mean, £400,000 a month. yeah, he could go to frogmore cottage, which is the offer. >> yes, exactly. that's the offer .

offer. >> and it's all been very decorated. apparently meghan did it very nicely. it's much smaller, but it also very carefully guarded. so he should be able to do that. >> what else have we got angela. >> what else have we got angela. >> well they have got is that, very interestingly on the royal website, they removed the information that in 2016 harry said this very, very angry letter to the press to say that they were being racist towards meghan and disturbing her, and that was when they met. in fact, it was interesting. in 2016, i went to see him and i was told by one of his aides, be very, very careful because he's just written a letter and he's terrified that meghan's going to leave him. so actually go very carefully, otherwise he'll throw you out. it's quite a nice way of thinking you're going to interview the prince and then you're going to be really careful. but i managed to write, but that's what he was terrified that meghan was going to leave him . it was love at first sight

him. it was love at first sight from his point of view, and that now that that's all gone and he's very cross, that it's gone because he felt it should be against the press , however, that against the press, however, that it doesn't work like that because they've moved forward and they don't want to have this. they're distancing themselves from harry and meghan. that's my view, and very briefly , only three people on briefly, only three people on the balcony know. >> i think everybody should be on the balcony. i think king charles is trying to go for a slim monarchy. and i think actually, at the moment we need actually, at the moment we need a very full one. all the relations , all the young people, relations, all the young people, and we can all enjoy it much better to see that it's all going through. >> it would be lovely until 11, if only. but the fight for the balcony will continue. that is angela levin, stay with us still to come. my difficult conversation. cystic fibrosis campaigner sophy grace, she has run 36 marathons in 36 days. she's coming up next, though. also on the way. the great british debate i'm asking is trump the victim of a political hit job that's coming up? first,

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could even see a touch of frost by sunday morning. temperatures here into low single figures. so we start sunday. then on a pretty clear note across much of england and wales, lots of sunshine. just 1 or 2 mist patches still lingering from the overnight period. notice though, some low cloud across the far south—east, but that will gradually burn away as we go through the morning. lots of sunshine across the north of england pretty much wall to wall sunshine to start the day here. but notice out towards the north—west there is that rain to contend with. certainly across the west of scotland, just edging into the far west of northern ireland too. so eastern parts of scotland shouldn't fare too badly to start the day on sunday, as we go through the rest of the day on sunday, those outbreaks of rain in the far north—west will gradually start to push in a little bit further across parts of northern and western scotland into parts of northern ireland too. so a fairly damp day unfolding here. but elsewhere across the uk it's generally set fair high pressure, as i say, generally in control. so lots of sunshine around and the places pretty much unbroken sunshine going into the afternoon . and with into the afternoon. and with that sunshine and fairly gentle winds feeling pretty warm, slightly down towards the south and southeast, up to 23 or 24 celsius. those outbreaks of rain

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fitness and keeping active an incredible story, then, for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is trump the victim of a political hit job after the former president, donald trump was found guilty on 34 counts of falsifying business records? this week's clickbait can biden really run for presidency again? i was sort of raised in the puerto rican community. >> i had a very close relationship with the greek american community. for real, i am joe biden. nopoulos really. >> but first, let's get your latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> nana, thank you very much. and good evening to you. it's just after 5:00 and we'll start with some election news. the battle lines are being drawn in the fight for votes with both the fight for votes with both the conservatives and labour attacking each other's economic records. today, the prime minister says his opponents will run out of money, while labour leader sir keir starmer says the

country's crying out for change. speaking to a crowd in front of the conservative campaign bus earlier, rishi sunak pledged to give millions of pounds to towns across the country if he's re—elected, adding another 30 to the 70 already announced its a hundred towns across our country. >> they're going to receive £20 million each and crucially, it will be local. people in all those areas are in charge of how to spend that money, to make sure it's spent and invested on their priorities. an example of us levelling up everywhere, backing local people and their priorities and giving them the long term funding assurance to do so. the methodology that selects these towns is something that's been used multiple times before. it's all public. it's based on areas levelling up needs, looking at economic opportunity, skills , health and opportunity, skills, health and life expectancy. so it's an objective set of criteria , all objective set of criteria, all published online. but i'm not going to make any apology for supporting towns. >> well, launching his battle bus, sir keir starmer described the conservatives levelling up pledge as a phoney gimmick. the

labour leader says his party's data reveals which areas will be hit if the conservatives get back into government, with figures showing people in the nonh figures showing people in the north east of england will be £5,400 worse off, while families in the south—west will be £4,300 poorer. >> won't change the powers with you because the voters with you, you because the voters with you, you have to vote for change. >> we have changed this labour party and put it back in the service of working people . what service of working people. what we're asking now, humbly asking is the opportunity to change our country and put it back in the service of working people, and that requires both setting out our ambition to change the country, but also the first steps, the down payment . if you steps, the down payment. if you like, stabilising the economy and making sure we can deal with our waiting list, getting back people back into work, setting up great british energy to keep bills down. they are the first steps to the change this country desperately needs . desperately needs. >> and in wales, the leader of plaid remap, lord reith, is

accusing labour of taking welsh votes for granted. >> we have labour launching a campaign in wales and barely talking about anything relevant to wales, other than that they'd get to grips with health and education that they've been running for 25 years anyway. so gaslighting the people of wales. what are people hearing for their communities from the main uk parties? nothing. >> supplied kyrees voice on that is coming through loud and clear i >> -- >> in other news today, thousands of officers are in central london to police a number of protests there, with a rally organised by tommy robinson gathering in parliament square . the metropolitan police square. the metropolitan police says it's monitoring a number of individuals spotted in the crowd, who they say have a history of being involved in violent disorder. and in a separate demonstration , nine separate demonstration, nine youth demand protesters calling for an end to military action in gaza have been arrested this afternoon for trying to block traffic in the capital. the met police says it does have a robust operation in place in case of any further disruption .

case of any further disruption. rishi sunak has praised a proposed ceasefire deal set out by president joe biden. that's calling it welcome news. he's calling it welcome news. he's calling on hamas to accept the new deal to end the conflict in gaza. the proposal would end the fighting and return hostages, beginning with a six week ceasefire. however, israel's government says certain conditions still need to be met by hamas , and ticketmaster has by hamas, and ticketmaster has confirmed a data breach, with hackers claiming to have accessed the details of up to 560 million customers. the shiny hunters group is reportedly demanding £400,000 in ransom to prevent names , addresses and prevent names, addresses and partial payment details of customers being sold on the dark web. ticketmasters parent company , live nation, says it's company, live nation, says it's now launched an investigation and is working with authorities across the world. and finally, king charles has personally given a card to a d—day veteran who's celebrating his 100th

birthday today. jim miller was ianed birthday today. jim miller was invited to buckingham palace, where he spoke to the king about his experiences during the second world war. mr miller landed on the beaches of normandy in june 1944, and took part in the allied military operation. he said he was totally surprised and delighted totally surprised and delighted to have been invited to the palace. for the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now though. more from . nana. more from. nana. >> good afternoon. it's just coming up to six minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv , 5:00. this is gb news on tv, onune 5:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion . this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating , discussing and at debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is broadcast

from columnist lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew laza . now still to come, matthew laza. now still to come, my difficult conversations today is with record breaking cystic fibrosis campaigner sophie grace holmes . i'll fibrosis campaigner sophie grace holmes. i'll speak to her about her latest guinness world record and her battle with the disease. then, for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is trump the victim of a political hit job? donald trump was found guilty this week of falsifying records to cover up a sex scandal. as ever, send me your thoughts. you can post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay . right. but gbnews.com/yoursay. right. but now it is time for this week's difficult conversations . and of difficult conversations. and of course, this week i'm joined by someone who, against the odds, has broken a guinness world record. sophie grace holmes has spent her life shattering expectations, diagnosed with cystic fibrosis, otherwise known as cf. now just four months old, she was told that she might not live to see her 16th birthday. but now, well, she's 32 years

old. she's a fitness coach, pubuc old. she's a fitness coach, public speaker, influencer, nutrition coach, businesswoman and an ultra endurance athlete. and she's even set a guinness world record by running 36 marathons in 36 days. it's better than all of us. i'm joined here in the studio by sophie grace holmes. welcome sophie. thank you for having me. now, it's very good to see you because i actually met you many years ago when i was doing some results with lucy. lucy mecklenburgh and you were struggling with your cf , but you struggling with your cf, but you were doing all the fitness things and everything . talk to things and everything. talk to me about you and how you've managed to sort of manage your condition. >> yeah, of course. i think the best way to go back right to the beginning, i was diagnosed at four months old. >> yeah. and for my parents, they felt like it was bringing up a child to die . up a child to die. >> they were told i wouldn't make 16. >> i'd be in hospital on oxygen and, you know, little did they know that determined me was never going to let that happen. >> and of course, there's been a roller coaster of things that have happened. i've been in hospital. i've been really unwell . at 19, i was told i had unwell. at 19, i was told i had two years to live and that was probably right before we

probably right before we probably met, actually. and i decided that, frankly, i didn't have time to die. i had too much i wanted to do, and so i drew up this long bucket list and got really into my fitness and especially my running. and i do believe it saved my life. >> well, how does how did cystic fibrosis affect you and what did you do to try and improve your prognosis? >> so cystic fibrosis is an inherited genetic disease that is not glamorous at all. it's the build up of thick, sticky mucus within your body , mucus within your body, predominantly your lungs. but it affects other organs as well. and so with that i used to have to take 80 tablets a day. nebulisers just to keep my lungs working and healthy and keep myself going. and so for me, you can imagine how much time that took up every single day and then trying to do that with fitness. >> well, how much time did it take? every day? most of us haven't got a clue. yeah so it would be in the morning at least an hour in the evening, least an hour sometimes having to do it at lunch and obviously growing up with school and then work and stuff. >> fitting that in was incredibly difficult.

>> so this is using a nebuliser like an air thing with, yeah , like an air thing with, yeah, the vapour and things to clear the vapour and things to clear the mucus from your lungs. yeah >> but obviously for me it was the only way i didn't, you know, it's the only way to keep myself healthy and actually alive. so you do it. you do these things. and i've spent my entire life fighting to be here, fighting to be alive, to defy the odds, to show what is possible , to help show what is possible, to help people, inspire people and provide hope, especially for families or other people with cf. >> see, now i know people who have cf who have had lung transplants and all sorts of things to try and keep themselves alive, and usually by this age that would have happened to them to be alive. now so you have been doing marathons and all sorts to keep that airway and your lungs functioning , going at almost 100. >> yeah. so obviously there's been times where i haven't been i've been at 50. i've been struck healing and i've had to be in hospital. but, you know, for me to be able to improve something, i truly believe you have to use it and work with it and understand your body. and

that's exactly what i did for my lungs. and running was the key. it was incredibly difficult, and the only way i can describe it to people is if i put a corset on you and ask you to go and run up a mountain, that's how it felt for me to run. >> wow, that's quite incredible , >> wow, that's quite incredible, isn't it? and you have been running. you've run 36 marathons in 36 days. >> i have, i finished just under a week ago. >> oh my god. look, could you have done that? because obviously we've got a new breakthrough drug and that's come down the line because you haven't had any transplants . you haven't had any transplants. you were able to take that drug. what is the drug. how has it changed your life. >> so the drug is called kaftrio. and it i think it came into the uk about 3 or 4 years ago, and i was fortunate enough to be able to take it because there is a percentage that can't, but they are trying to work on something for those people. >> what was it that enabled you to be able to take the drug? >> so my genetics is double delta f 58, and for you to be able to take it, you needed one of those. so there's many people that can. but unfortunately with cf there's so many different strands that it is such a unique

personal disease that it's really difficult to manage . really difficult to manage. >> so you had the right genetics, you started taking this drug how long ago? >> for four years in october. >> for four years in october. >> and how has it changed your life? >> so it's incredible because i remember the day i took it, because i took it when within three hours i started to cough a lot. and then the next day i haven't really coughed since and my lung function has been higher andifs my lung function has been higher and it's been stable. and it's unbelievable really, because i've then come off the other medications that i was on. so i was on total of 80 a day, and now i'm on three, three tablets a day. >> so they keep your lungs clear. yeah. and you don't need, you need to limp your lies or anything like that. >> so i just do my training from my physio and that's it. >> wow. and does it feel like when you're climbing a mountain that you're wearing a corset? >> no, this is the thing i didn't realise until i obviously had it. and then my lungs were improved. and then i went for a run. i was like, that's why people love it so much. >> that's what that's what it's like. that's how it should be. i'm so pleased now just talk to me about your 36 marathons and what your, your campaign, how you're informing people about this disease .

this disease. >> yeah. so the number 36 is quite random because a lot of people have asked me about that. but the reason this whole challenge was born was because when i turned 30, i wanted to celebrate turning 30. so i wanted to run 30 miles in 30 days and originally finished on my 30th birthday. but at the time it was covid and obviously it wouldn't have been particularly safe for me to do that. so i put the idea to one side and i thought, the time will come, and i will do it. last year i entered the edinburgh marathon and then i was fortunate enough to get the london marathon and i was like, hang on a minute, i wonder how many days are in between these? and i fast counted 35 because clearly my maths isn't that great. and my coach then went just to let you know you're actually doing 36. so the last one is now going to be your victory lap. but we can do it. and you did it. >> yeah. and to this now you're in the guinness book of world records. yes. that's quite impressive isn't it. how your life expectancy . you weren't life expectancy. you weren't even expected to live this long. no. now you're still here. you're still doing things well. what advice would you give to

people who are suffering with your condition, and in particular, those who aren't able to access that medication that you're taking? >> just don't give up . like go >> just don't give up. like go after the things you want to go after, because i was told i wouldn't achieve anything in life. i was told that i wouldn't be here. and of course, this this new medication is amazing. but i think it's important to note i didn't have it before the last four years, and although it would have been harder for me to do this challenge, it's still something i would have gone after. and all the things i did achieve after being told i wouldn't make it when i was 19, such as, some time mount kilimanjaro , montblanc, 18 mile kilimanjaro, montblanc, 18 mile paddleboard races, 100 kilometre races. i did it being unwell, but i was well enough to do it because i looked after my body and my training. and so i just say to people like, just don't give up and just keep trying every single day to be 1% better, or try to just go after them because you've got to find your purpose and drive . and if your purpose and drive. and if i hadnt your purpose and drive. and if i hadn't have done that and i'd listened to the doctors, i probably still wouldn't be here.

>> and does that mean you can have children and everything else like that? there shouldn't be an issue. and beforehand, would that have been something that you couldn't do? >> or i might have been able to, but it would have really depended on how healthy i'd been at the time. >> yes, very, very impressive. it really is. and i am totally with you on fitness, really, because if it hadn't been for my fitness, i wouldn't be here. now, some people are saying that would be a good thing, but i'm here. sorry brilliant. sophie. grace, if people want to follow your journey and grace, if people want to follow yourjourney and see grace, if people want to follow your journey and see what you're getting up to next, or do you have a website or somewhere they can follow you on? >> yeah, of course. so all of my handles on social media and my name at sophie grace homes, and i try and reply to many, as many people as i can and i love talking to people. so if there's anything i can do to help people or encourage people, do reach out. >> yeah, well, such an inspiration. i really appreciate you coming in and telling me all about it. i know a lot of people who i know many people who suffered with a condition. if people have had the transplant just out of interest, can they still take the drugs or does that mean that they can't? the thing that you're taking now, i think they can. >> and i think i think it would just depend on their situation . just depend on their situation. and what then it impacts for

your body. because obviously it wouldn't necessarily impact your lungs. but if you've got other issues such as digestive issues, it could improve it. yeah. >> interesting . sophie grace >> interesting. sophie grace holmes, thank you very much. thank you for having me. really to good talk to her. isn't that incredible? you see, if you put your mind to it, you can achieve. stay with the stoics. coming up to 16 minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news on tv, onune 5:00. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua still to come click bait. can biden really run for presidency again? >> i was sort of raised in the puerto rican community. i had a very close relationship with the greek american community. for real, i am joe biden nopoulos. >> no dear. next, though, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is trump the victim of a political hit job? that's, of course, after the former president was found guilty this week of falsifying records to cover up a sex scandal. do not go anywhere

good afternoon. if you've just tuned in. where on earth have you been? it's just coming up to 20 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua, and it's time for the great british debate this out. and i'm asking, is trump the victim of a political hit job? now, the former president was found guilty this week of falsifying records to cover up a sex scandal in an historic turnaround from the commander in chief to convicted criminal trump, who pleaded not guilty and denied all 34 counts against him, rejected the verdict and said that the people would ultimately decide in november's election. and in a speech at trump tower, he said that there was no hush money. it was a normal nondisclosure agreement, properly categorised as a legal expense. properly categorised as a legal expense . let's have a listen . expense. let's have a listen. >> i'm doing something for this country and i'm doing something for our constitution. it's very important, far beyond me . and important, far beyond me. and this can't be allowed to happen

to other presidents . it should to other presidents. it should never be allowed to happen in the future. but this is far beyond me. this is bigger than trump . this is bigger than me. trump. this is bigger than me. this is bigger than my presidency . presidency. >> nothing's bigger than trump. surely he seems to think it's a stitch up. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is trump the victim of a political hit job? well joining me now, chair of republicans overseas, greg swenson. lawyer and doctor, doctor jul, a former and doctor, doctorjul, a former adviser to the bank of england. i'm going to start with you, roger gewolb. is this some sort of stitch up as trump is sort of alluding to? >> yeah, absolutely . i mean, we >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, we unfortunately, we don't get the news over here that you can get in america. there's all sorts of signs of this being a rigged , signs of this being a rigged, stitch up, if you will, i mean, one glaring example is the adult survivors act , which is what survivors act, which is what which was adopted exactly two years ago by the new york legislature. it's a state law.

and it says that if you were sexually abused, if you were raped 35 years ago and you just remembered you were barred by the statute of limitations as you would be here from bringing a civil suit. but the new adult survivors act says, well, hey, i'll tell you what, if you bring that suit in the next 12 months and only in the next 12 months, we'll let you do it. oh, really? and that suit was enacted. everybody knows solely so that the dreadful e jean carroll could sue trump for her claims of sexual abuse, and that then went on to defamation . they went on to defamation. they actually passed a state law allowing them to get somebody to stand up and sue him. the judge , stand up and sue him. the judge, juan merchan, in the court did all sorts of things that were, i think, particularly wrong as far as witnesses go, and other things that trump should be allowed to do. he ran the court in a way that i feel is an american lawyer, was prejudicial

to any defendant, and the word is seeping through. it hasn't come here yet. the word is seeping through that the justices on the us supreme court, and those are not people that can be politically fixed very easily. they are really quite alarmed at this lawfare, as they're now calling it legal warfare. so yes, it absolutely was a stitch up. and as an american lawyer, i am disgusted that the legal system i'm an officer of the court. i spent years studying this honourable profession, which is hundreds of years old, should be hijacked by some cheap politicians for their own ends . own ends. >> right? well, that's interesting. very strong stuff. all right, let's go to, greg svenson . he's the chair of svenson. he's the chair of republicans overseas. and we've also got steve and gil, republicans overseas. and we've also got steve and gil , joining also got steve and gil, joining us as well. okay. greg svenson, is this a stitch up? you know, a lot of people saying it is . lot of people saying it is. >> i think that's an understatement. anna, this is a political hit job from the from the get go. you know, the

several, us agencies turned down this case, notably that including the federal election commission, who found this . this commission, who found this. this was just not a case that they could try even alvin bragg turned it down at the beginning of this process. so the only reason they brought the indictment in the first place is because trump was running for president. do you think they'd care about a bookkeeping entry misdemeanour eight years after the fact , if trump wasn't the fact, if trump wasn't running for president? they sat on this evidence for eight years, and then you had the, you know, rather conflict and judge that basically instructed the jury that basically instructed the jury to convict. i don't blame the jury for this. they were probably they really were just following the instructions of the of the judge , who's the of the judge, who's obviously biased. so, you know, this thing was a hit job from the get go in april of 2023, when it never should. there's never should have been an indictment to indict a former president on a misdemeanour bookkeeping entry. it's appalling. it's a disgrace. >> so steve gill, your political commentator, what are your

thoughts on this? is this a political hit job? >> 100. this political hit job? >>100. this is political hit job? >> 100. this is the most >>100. this is the most egregious abuse of justice since the salem witch trials. and they weren't guilty either. just like trump's not guilty, this bookkeeper error business is like, if you went to the grocery store today to get some crisps and some some beer and some sodas for a party you were throwing and put it down on your check entry as groceries. and then, because you're running for parliament ten years from now, they say, oh, you were trying to cover up that you were buying beer at that point. that's that's how egregious this is . that's how egregious this is. nothing that trump did was illegal, even if you assume that the payoff to stormy daniels , the payoff to stormy daniels, that he was aware of it, that he knew of it, that's not illegal. and the jury, when they went through the check marks of finding him guilty, just clicked guilty with a check. they never even specified what the underlying crime was . the underlying crime was. the underlying crime was. the underlying crime was. the underlying crime would have had to have been a federal crime that a state court in new york

has absolutely no jurisdiction or authority to pursue. this thing is going to be overturned on appeal, but it will take months, if not years, for that to happen. and the judge here, the da and i would not give a pass to the two jurors who are lawyers . they knew better. lawyers. they knew better. bragg, mark dolan and those two lawyers should all be identified and disbarred because they knew better. >> well, some people might argue, though. i mean , i hear argue, though. i mean, i hear you and you and i get it. a book entry error, you gave an example of something in a grocery store. this was 100, £100,000, though, or 100. and whatever it is in dollars, $130,000, this was 100 grand, so people might look on that slightly differently, even though it is not illegal, by the way, to make a payment to somebody in that way as a hush money or whatever it you term it as. but some people might argue that's that's quite a bit of money, i'll go to you, greg, you know. right. >> yeah. i don't think that's relevant. nana. i mean, it's, you know, whether it was 100,000 or 100 million, it's not

illegal. you might not like the fact that he was making a payment, but, you know, non—disclosure agreements are perfectly legal. john edwards, the former senator who ran for president, paid one of his mistresses with campaign money and they decided that that was illegal and he had to pay it back right now. and then, of course, hillary clinton paid for the steele dossier with campaign money that was illegal, because it's not a valid campaign expense. it's not a valid campaign expense . but when trump made the expense. but when trump made the payment, it was not from campaign funds. in fact, they tried to make it a, you know, tie in this felony count because he was it should have been a campaign fund. no. absolutely not. if he had used campaign campaign funds, we'd know about it. they would try him for that . it. they would try him for that. he'd have another felony conviction. so it's completely obscene . obscene. >> so if this is the case, rogen >> so if this is the case, roger, and you know, we did struggle to find people who were prepared to say that, he's not been stitched up. so, you know, thatis been stitched up. so, you know, that is why you have seen most of the people on the panel are saying the same thing. we did struggle to find people who

didn't think it was a stitch up, just given the evidence that is there, roger, i'm going to ask you then why is it that this is happening? because it seems if it is a stitch up as it appears and most people appear think it is, why is this happening? >> well, it's not being said here, but, you know, as a as an american and a brit who's been here a long time , it's very here a long time, it's very different. the perception you know, in america , lawyers run know, in america, lawyers run the place. okay. here, accountants run the place. and the solicitor is somebody you go to for the paperwork in america, the law and lawyers. i mean , the law and lawyers. i mean, when i get stopped by a traffic cop in chicago , he refers to me cop in chicago, he refers to me as counsellor. out of respect. okay lawyers run the thing, and everybody vie in the big game. you know, the big players throw out their lawyer in somebody's face at the first signs of an argument. so lawsuits and charges and convictions and all these kind of things and, and

indictments are not the shock to americans that they are here. here your neighbour gets called to magistrate's court and everybody starts sweating. it's a different mentality. and in that mentality , which is so that mentality, which is so litigious and where people are always banging each other over the head with lawyers, you use anything you can. so yes, as you've just been discussing this $130,000, how much money do you think that donald trump and everybody else in the construction and property business in manhattan pays to groups that i won't mention by name to get things done, but that's how it works . i mean, that's how it works. i mean, it's no big deal, but if a lawyer, a smart lawyer can grab it and use it, he's going to. but here it gets seen as an absolute parliamentary fact , absolute parliamentary fact, whereas it's just tactics. >> yeah, but but look, steve, finally to you, if it is that transparent and that obvious that it transparent and that obvious thatitis transparent and that obvious that it is some sort of hit job as it would appear, most people

are saying this, we have looked to find people who think differently. how can they get away with it ? away with it? >> well, they won't get away with it, legally . once the court with it, legally. once the court of appeals, the legitimate courts have a chance to stand in, let me say one thing about the lawyers. there's a saying in the lawyers. there's a saying in the united states that if you're in business, lawyers are like nuclear weapons. everybody has to have them. but everything gets screwed up. if anybody uses one. and i think that's what we see time and time again. and it's interesting that he mentioned he gets stopped by a traffic cop and they call him counsellor. judge marchand is a traffic judge . he's been an traffic judge. he's been an acting judge at the level he's for at 14 years now. you do a great job at your job, but if great job at yourjob, but if you'd been an acting host for 15 years, i'd say you probably sucked at your job. this guy is sucked at yourjob. this guy is a hit job. he was put here to get the hit down. he ought to be disbarred for what he's done. the court of appeals will sort it out, but they're going to get their trump convicted headline for the next six months. that's all they want. well, we'll keep watching. >> we'll keep waiting to see

what actually happens as a result of that. can i just say thank goodness gb news is bringing this out where no one else is? >> well, we are waiting. >> well, we are waiting. >> i mean, look, as soon as we hear somebody who says something different, who has something else to contribute, if you're listening or watching and you don't believe it is a hit job, please get in touch. gbnews.com/yoursay thank you very much to the chair of republicans overseas. great. thanks, guys, lawyer and political commentator steve hill, also doctor roger gewolb, he's a former adviser to the bank of england. thank you very much. well, what do you think at home? this is gb news on tv, onune home? this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, we will continue with the great british debate this hour . with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is trump the victim of a political hit job? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel, lizzie cundy and matthew lazor. still to come, my quick fire quiz. i test the panel on some of the other stories that are hitting the headunes stories that are hitting the headlines right now. but first, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines with sam francis. >> very good evening to you. it's just after half past five, a look at the headlines tonight. the battle lines are being drawn in the fight for votes with both

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after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, onune nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. lots of you have been in touch. by the way, wayne says absolutely love your panel. i've never seen pundits state that they actually what they actually think such clarity before i am, and was more than certain before. convinced that trump has been wronged. what happens when the lawfare debacle has proven to be ineffective? is jfk fate a possibility? well, crikey , i possibility? well, crikey, i don't think so, i hope not, sorry, i shouldn't have read that last bit. but anyway, it's time for the great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, is trump the victim of a political hit job? the former president was found guilty this week of falsifying records to cover up a sex scandal in a historic turnaround from the commander in chief to convicted criminal and trump pleaded not guilty. he defied all 34 counts. but what do you think ? is he the but what do you think? is he the is this a political hit job? let's have a listen to what he said. >> i'm doing something for this country and i'm doing something for our constitution. it's very important , far beyond me. and

important, far beyond me. and this can't be allowed to happen to other presidents. it should never be allowed to happen in the future. but this is far beyond me. this is bigger than trump. this is bigger than me. this is bigger than my presidency. vie. >> well, it seems, that , it does >> well, it seems, that, it does seem to be a stitch up. a lot of people are saying this is what our guest has said. we have tried to find people who think differently. so the great british debate, i'm asking you, what do you think? is he the victim of a political hit job? well, let's see also what my panel make of that broadcast. lizzie cundy and also former labour party adviser matthew laza lizzie cundy. we'll go to you first. >> look, whether you love trump or loathe trump , this is or loathe trump, this is catastrophic for the us legal justice system. what has gone on is absolutely appalling. for it to happen to trump, because this isn't about the crime they saying he committed . this is saying he committed. this is about getting rid of biden's opposition because trump is his biggest threat . and what they biggest threat. and what they have done. biden is just given

the keys to the white house, to trump , because this is going to trump, because this is going to win him the presidency without a shadow of a doubt. and i find it, you know, at one point, they haven't said today is that both rishi and starmer have been very quiet on this. they've they've remained very neutral because they know if trump does get in, they, they have to, you know, look like, you know, they're going to rock the boat. they know what side their bread is buttered and probably starmer. will you turn on it anyway . will you turn on it anyway. >> oh you have to get that in. >> oh you have to get that in. >> but they've . yeah i mean >> but they've. yeah i mean exactly, exactly. >> and , you know nigel has come >> and, you know nigel has come out saying that this is basically just one, trump the, the presidency. but this is absolutely awful. and the judge himself, has been lowering, punishments for murders, rapes and this for trump. he's he's he's hiring, you know , making, he's hiring, you know, making, you know, for a booking error, which basically it is.

>> well, i mean, matthew laza. what are you . what are you. >> i don't think it's a stitch up, and i don't think he's going to go to prison. i mean, the headlines. why do you not think? because i think because them's the rules and everybody has to abide by them. >> clinton. >> clinton. >> then she . well, no, she she >> then she. well, no, she she didn't get off because there was no evidence, because she didn't end up in a court. and there were four years of a trump government where they, you know, it wasn't like it was being run by a friend. >> what about joe biden and the documents that were found in his. well that may yet result in. no, but he they were found in. no, but he they were found in his garage and then in the end, what the verdict was or what he he's told he didn't remember it. so that's fine. i mean, you know what i mean? >> yeah. i mean, look, the same rules have to be applied over documents because donald trump is facing accusations about documents going to ending up at his florida pad. and the same rules have to apply to joe biden and donald trump owned documents. >> but joe biden's already. >> but joe biden's already. >> well, i mean, i think i think it sort of rumbles on, but the issue, that he was facing is it issue, that he was facing is it is it is a criminal offence. he's been found guilty of it. he needs to learn that the rules apply needs to learn that the rules apply to him. i suspect that he won't go to prison, because i

think that that would be a stage too far. but i think they'll end up with a. >> but giving hush money isn't actually a criminal offence. >> well, no, but it was the. it was the. yeah it's the it's the way it was accounted for. yes. and everybody has to do their accounts to account to hillary i do. >> let's look at hillary clinton. >> let's have a look at her. let's have a look at biden. >> well, and there's a whole entire i'm sure that, you know, i'm sure that if there's anything well, hunter biden has faced charges . faced charges. >> well, eventually, eventually. but there was a lot of coverage . but there was a lot of coverage. >> there were always applied to hunter biden. >> biden battled trump. we all know biden's been ruled by obama, who's been ruled by the clintons. and it all goes on. and it's a very sorry state of affairs. if biden gets in again, imagine him looking after the nuclear button. >> yes, i'd much rather forget where it was. donald trump i'm not. >> you are having you are having a laugh. i don't need to come you. i've no you have no idea how dangerous biden is and what he's done. he's opened the floodgates to the law system. >> it's a let me let me just

read. i'm going to read some of the messages that have come through. and this is early because we were talking about political, what they thought of our political leaders. and michelle says they are all a joke. nana don't trust any of our pathetic so—called leaders politically homeless lot of people coming out with that telling us how they feel politically homeless, rebecca says another absolute brilliant debate with roger gregg and your other guest. so informative and helps us understand the nuances between law in this country and the states. thank you, lots of people getting in touch. keep them coming. gbnews.com forward slash your say, john says it's obvious that this is a witch hunt on trump as why didn't they bnng hunt on trump as why didn't they bring this up seven years ago. it's to stop him from canvassing for presidential election. yes, it was seven years ago. well, well, listen , this show is well, listen, this show is nothing without you. and your newsletter welcome our great british voices. there opportunity to be on the show and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing, let's see who we've got. there are four of you. let's start with judy ford in bedfordshire. your hair's gone. juue

>> it's all tied up today, mind you. >> it's behind you . julie. what >> it's behind you. julie. what do you think, then, is this a stitch up in your view , i don't stitch up in your view, i don't know if it's 100% a stitch up at the end of the day. what matthew just said he has committed a crime, and that crime has been found guilty , and he has to face found guilty, and he has to face charges for that. >> however, i do think what he's going to face is overkill. >> and as you've just said, it was seven years ago that this was seven years ago that this was allegedly committed . was allegedly committed. >> this is just great timing now, isn't it? and like lizzie has just said, it stops him running, for president or. has just said, it stops him running, for president on well, or stopping nothing would stop him, to be honest with you, but the idea was to try and stop him. so i think realistically , him. so i think realistically, yes, he probably has done it, but i think this is overkill with the way they're moving. >> he definitely did it, but it was more the case of what he did wasn't particularly illegal. it wasn't particularly illegal. it was more about bookkeeping. let's go to, well, should we go to go to david balme? he's there in watford. david balme, what do you think? >> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> i love the questions . >> i love the questions. >> i love the questions. >> every week, actually, on this one, they're trying to get trump. >> i think they've been trying

to get trump since the capitol hill mob riots. >> and they're trying to stop any which way because whatever happens, trump's very nature is to climb . to climb. >> he's been set up. it's a false it's everything. it's never his fault whether it's illegal or not, to pay someone hush money. that's down to. >> but what about his wife is legal. that's fine. they're allowed to do that. >> yeah, yeah, they can do that. >> yeah, yeah, they can do that. >> so they're out to get him. that's all they're trying to do, it does feel like that. let's go to miranda richardson, not the miranda richardson. our miranda richardson, she's there in northamptonshire. miranda. what do you think? nana. hi. >> let's face it, donald trump loves to push boundaries, doesn't he, and that's what he's always going to do . always going to do. >> and he's going to push boundanes >> and he's going to push boundaries all the way. >> and at every point, at some point, it's never going to be his fault. >> so i think, yeah, aspects of it he has to be accountable for. >> but also we've got to look, it's definitely overkill. >> you know, it's trying to stop a campaign. >> it's trying to stop , a campaign. >> it's trying to stop, you know, that that situation in november, you know , with the november, you know, with the states just becoming an absolute

in fairness, laughingstock again, if it's biden, but yet what do we do if we end up with trump? >> yeah, it's kind of a rock and a hard place, i'll be honest, but, you know, but at least an interesting journey. >> but at least one of them seems sane. right. let's go to bnan seems sane. right. let's go to brian dougal in solihull. brian how are you doing? >> good. >> good. >> miranda, as ever, been very diplomatic, trump pushing boundanesis diplomatic, trump pushing boundaries is definitely the diplomatic way to put it. >> and as for your , expert, >> and as for your, expert, steve, i think he was chairman of the republicans abroad. >> well, he's a very fair minded and unbiased arbiter in all of this, little wonder that he couldn't get anybody to put the other side of that's the case, but, look, he's he's guilty of crime. >> he falsified business records, is a misdemeanour , and records, is a misdemeanour, and thatis records, is a misdemeanour, and that is elevated to a felony in new york when those records were faked to conceal another crime . faked to conceal another crime. >> it's plain and simple, it's.

>> it's plain and simple, it's. >> he doesn't have to be the victim of a hit job when you are guilty of a crime and a felony means that they haven't gone after him in a way that lizzy is saying where it's not, something that shouldn't have , resulted in that shouldn't have, resulted in this in this verdict, the 12 jurors were unanimous. 34 charges. and in fact, nana the veteran new york litigator who sits on a committee that screens the applicants for the same court that will hear trump's appeal court that will hear trump's appeal, says that the judge avoided the pitfalls that often doom convictions. so i hate to break it to you. >> well, i hate to break it to you, but alvin bragg, he actually said that he wanted to get trump , and he was one of get trump, and he was one of those that he was dealing with it. so, you know, it was. yeah. no. >> come on. and i think you're saying he's got him. i think you'll find he's got him. >> exactly. so you've just proved it is a bit of a hit job, isn't it? right. thank you very much . yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. much. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. miranda richardson here northampton david baldwin watford and julie ford in bedford josie coming up my

quickfire quiz. i test the panel on some of the stories that caught their eye. this week's clip bates. well, kent biden really run for presidency again. >> i was sort of raised in the puerto rican community. i had a very relationship with the greek american community. for real. i

>> right. it's 51 minutes after 5:00. let's squeeze in a clip of bates. can this man, joe biden , bates. can this man, joe biden, really run for presidency again? >> i was sort of raised in the puerto rican community. i had a very close relationship with the greek american community. for real, i am joe biden, nopoulos. i grew up in a heavily irish catholic community in scranton, pennsylvania, and a heavily italian polish community. when i say i got , i got raised italian polish community. when i say i got, i got raised in the black church, he knows i'm not kidding. >> the persian culture is amazing.

>> as a student of the persian culture, really , lizzie cundy culture, really, lizzie cundy carney got 20s. no, no no, no, he's he's a disaster. >> he's he's too old for his own good. he needs to step down. what are his advisers saying ? what are his advisers saying? why aren't they saying you're holding strings? >> it's not on matthew . >> it's not on matthew. >> it's not on matthew. >> it's not on matthew. >> i think that he's the best of a bad choice. and america is a country that deserves better than two jewish geriatrics. matthew >> matthew, it's time for the quick fire quiz, the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the stories hitting the headunes some of the stories hitting the headlines right now. matthew laza . your buzzer, please. laza. your buzzer, please. lizzie cundy, your buzzer. please, please play along at home. right. question one what new penalty might low level flytippers face under the conservative's new plans? is it a community service? b points on their driving licence or c increased parking matthew laza c increased parking matthew laza c increased fines? lizzie cundy it's increased fines i know is it is it no points on driving licence. you're both completely wrong. on licence. you're both completely wrong. oh yeah. question. >> what happens if you don't drive? >> well yeah, exactly. you often. well how would you flight it with your hands. right. in michigan , a woman was found

michigan, a woman was found living inside a sign of a supermarket for one year. true or false, lizzie cundy. true. true. false it's actually true. yes. you've been living there for over a year and had a coffee maker, a computer and some bedding. question three. closest answer wins. japan is a huge black screen. has put up tourist spots near there. how long has the screen been there for? how long is the screen ? lizzie? oh, long is the screen? lizzie? oh, how long is the screen? quick? >> it is 250m. >> it is 250m. >> lizzie children 80m. >> lizzie children 80m. >> 66ft. yeah, yeah that's right. i win . i get that right. right. i win. i get that right. question for open question. which form of tour? i don't know what i'm talking about. which former mp says that he's backing labourin former mp says that he's backing labour in the general election . labour in the general election. >> mark logan very good bolton nonh >> mark logan very good bolton north east logan they've all deflected right a final question. >> multiple choices. the champions league's final tonight between dortmund and real madrid. what is the score for the last time dodi b what is it. two nil nil and mine. >> i'll go for a three nil with either of you. >> you're all totally wrong, right on i won that. you will win a political hit job according to our poll, 87% of you say yes. 30% of you say no.

thank you so much to my panel. the other poll, 95% of you say yes. 5% of you say no. thank you to my panel. lizzie cundy matthew laza pleasure. thank you to you at home. i'll see you tomorrow. same time, same place . tomorrow. same time, same place. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. over the next 24 hours or so, we hold on to generally fine weather across the uk . further warm sunshine to the uk. further warm sunshine to come, although we will start to see some rain into the far north—west through sunday. high pressure is generally in control at the moment, sitting out towards the west of the uk, still feeding in a bit of a cool northerly breeze in places, but with the sunshine it's certainly been quite a warm afternoon and as we head into the evening, much of the cloud across england and wales will tend to melt away, so we'll see a lot of dry and fairly clear weather across much of the uk as we head into the overnight period. a few mist and fog patches forming certainly across england and wales into the early hours , but wales into the early hours, but nofice wales into the early hours, but notice by the end of the night also some outbreaks of rain just approaching the far north—west of the uk, townsville city

temperatures holding up quite well but in the rural spots could even see a touch of frost by sunday morning . temperatures by sunday morning. temperatures here into low single figures. so we start sunday, then on a pretty clear note across much of england and wales, lots of sunshine. just 1 or 2 mist patches still lingering from the overnight period . notice though, overnight period. notice though, some low cloud across the far southeast, but that will gradually burn away as we go through the morning. lots of sunshine across the north of england. pretty much wall to wall sunshine to start the day here. but notice out towards the north—west there is that rain to contend with. certainly across the west of scotland, just edging into the far west of northern ireland too. so eastern parts of scotland shouldn't fare too badly to start the day on sunday, as we go through the rest of the day on sunday, those outbreaks of rain in the far north—west will gradually start to push in a little bit further across parts of northern and western scotland into parts of northern ireland too. so a fairly damp day unfolding here. but elsewhere across the uk it's generally set fair high pressure, as i say, generally in control. so lots of sunshine around and places, pretty much unbroken sunshine going into the afternoon . and with that afternoon. and with that sunshine and fairly gentle winds feeling pretty warm, slightly down towards the south and southeast. up to 23 or 24

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