plans for conservatives plans for migration , for tax, for housing migration, for tax, for housing in the next hour. i'm going to be hearing from former chancellor kwasi kwarteng . we're chancellor kwasi kwarteng. we're also going to be discussing nigel farage under attack again. i'll be speaking to a personal protection expert about politicians safety while out on the campaign trail. politicians safety while out on the campaign trail . plus, we'll the campaign trail. plus, we'll bnng the campaign trail. plus, we'll bring you the latest after hunter biden becomes the first sitting us president's son to be convicted of a crime. that's all coming up on vote 2024. the people decide . don't forget you people decide. don't forget you can join the conversation by heading to gbnews.com/yoursay for all of those comments on those subjects, we want to hear what you think of the tory manifesto. but first, let's get the latest news headlines with polly middlehurst .

polly middlehurst. >> camilla, thank you and good evening to you. we start this bulletin with some breaking news. a new yougov poll on voting intentions among the british public shows the reform uk party has moved to one point, now behind the conservative party it also shows support for the tory party has fallen to just 18. that's down one percentage point on last week. the survey puts labour on 38, with the tories on 18, reform on 17, the lib dems on 15 and the greens on 8. now the home secretary, james cleverly, has condemned the attack on nigel farage after objects were thrown at him during a campaign event this morning. at him during a campaign event this morning . police have now this morning. police have now arrested a 28 year old man on suspicion of public order offences. it's understood a coffee cup possibly building rubble, narrowly missing. then reform uk leader who is on top of his party's battle bus in barnsley in yorkshire, in the town centre this morning, mr

farage was addressing supporters when he was interrupted by a crowd of demonstrators. he said he'd been warned previously by police not to get off the bus . police not to get off the bus. also in the news today, rishi sunak says he isn't blind to the fact that people are frustrated with him as he launched the conservative manifesto. the prime minister promised a multi—billion pound package of tax cuts, including a reduction in national insurance. the pledges, amounting to a total of more than £17 billion in cuts by 2030. labour has called it a desperate wish list. >> the tories claim that they can make £12 billion in savings in welfare , but the truth is in welfare, but the truth is that claim is simply not credible . it is true that under credible. it is true that under the conservatives, the welfare bill has spiralled since 2019, spending on benefits to support disabled people and those with health conditions has risen in real terms by £20 million. and under rishi sunak as prime minister the taxpayer has been

losing £1 million every single hour to benefit fraud and error . hour to benefit fraud and error. thatis hour to benefit fraud and error. that is their record and there are savings to be made. but the idea that the conservatives proposals can save £12 billion is pure fiction . is pure fiction. >> let's take you to the united states now, where president joe biden's son, hunter biden, has been convicted of lying about his drug use to illegally buy a gun. a jury found the 54 year old guilty on all three counts against him. it makes him the first child of a sitting president to be convicted of a crime. he was accused of not disclosing his crack cocaine addiction when completing forms to buy a gun in 2018, charges he denied in a statement. hunter biden says he's more grateful for the love and support that he's received than he's disappointed by the verdict. his lawyer says they'll continue to pursue all legal challenges available . for the latest available. for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news

alerts. scan the qr code on the screen or go to gbnews.com/alerts . gbnews.com/alerts. >> thanks, polly. welcome back. right, let's get stuck into the conservative party manifesto, which is here. i was in silverstone earlier to hear it all announced . just to recap. all announced. just to recap. then there's another £0.02 off national insurance . national national insurance. national insurance has been abolished for the self—employed. no stamp duty for most first time buyers. help to buy is going to be revived. there's going to be a £12 billion crackdown on benefits. national service for teens that you know about. child benefit boost for middle classes . what boost for middle classes. what else do we also already know? pensions, triple lock plus no net zero new net zero charges. school mobile phone ban . defence school mobile phone ban. defence spending. we know 2.5% of gdp by 2030. a legal cap on migration will be introduced to ensure it falls every year, and that

amendment to the equality act to better protect female only spaces and sport. so there you have it in a nutshell . have it in a nutshell. christopher hope, gb news political editor, joins me in the studio along with nigel nelson, gb news political commentator. hello, chaps. we were both at silverstone. yes. you've got a little question into the prime minister. what did you ask him? >> well, i wondered, i think you were thinking the same thing, camilla. it says here bold action on this manifesto. well, where is the boldness in this document ? it's all very much. we document? it's all very much. we knew what was coming. the biggest surprise was the tax cut for self—employed paid less than 50,000 a year. so quite a narrow band of people. but it's still worth billions. but i think what people want to hear from the tory party and haven't heard today is, is boldness to take on the threat of reform on the right. one idea might be bolder on echr with reform, and i asked that very question of the prime minister >> thanks, chris. i've been clear throughout that i believe that our plan is compliant with all our international obugafions.

all our international obligations . but i've also been obligations. but i've also been clear, and the manifesto is crystal clear, that if we are forced to choose between the jurisdiction of a foreign court, including the echr and our country's national security, then i'm going to choose our country's national security every single time . every single time. >> so no answer there for the prime minister. a shame, i think, for those on the right who want to see some something to take to back the battle to reform uk over the past three weeks, with the polling and the 17 points behind with 117 points in the polls, one point behind the tory party. yeah, that's nuts. >> that yougov polling that's just. >> but that question annoyed people, i mean people, the fact that the pm called gb news, first of all, the broadcasters in all the world, they called me be called first. >> well, quite right to be the rivals, quite right. to have the first question. thank you. thank you very especially how hard you've been working, chris. thank you. the big question, did you see brad pitt today at silverstone? >> we heard his car revving up, racing around the track. he's shooting bits of his film, so he couldn't even film outside onto the actual formula one track. we

had to stay inside it. it struck me he's so unlucky. sunak he has an election campaign that pulls an election campaign that pulls a rain . he an election campaign that pulls a rain. he goes to an election campaign that pulls a rain . he goes to silverstone, a rain. he goes to silverstone, a rain. he goes to silverstone, a great backdrop. we can only film at the beginning of the day off 9 am. we couldn't film the wonderful all the cars going round. >> i mean, this is the trouble. i thought the metaphor was unfortunate. it, you know. is he a formula 1 pm. or was this a kind of chitty chitty bang bang manifesto? that's. >> well, they need to be formula one. and it has been so far. chitty chitty bang bang, the reason why we heard so much of it is they have been trying to struggling to get the polls off the starting grid since they started, and there have been announcing puns. can you get and they are have been in reverse gear for so long they couldn't barely find second gear. and they and they have announced lots of this manifesto already because they have to try and get the car moving and it's still stalling. >> and do you think the wheels may have come off and they may have reached the end of the road? chris. they're wobbly. this is the trouble. and also, what did you make of his demeanour? it was quite flat in there. i appreciate that ben houchen, the mayor for tees

valley, sort of tried to come on and say, oh, he's full of vim and say, oh, he's full of vim and vigour. yeah, he's still the man he was when he was a backbenchen man he was when he was a backbencher. i was like, no, he isn't. >> ben houchen is the one bright spot they've had all year because he actually won the mayoralty, didn't he, in north east and was wasn't expected to. so otherwise it's been quite grim. it felt it felt low key in the room there was no sunny uplands. it was raining outside by the way, midway through his food either. >> can i say no food journalists? yeah. hungry before they got their hands on the documents, nigel nelson i'm glad i wasn't there much. you were missed. trust me, can we just discuss before we get into your reaction to the manifesto, keir starmers reaction to the manifesto ahead of the launch? keir starmer , would you believe, keir starmer, would you believe, labelled the plans, quote, a jeremy corbyn style manifesto? let's have a listen to that. >> we have been absolutely clear that all our plans are fully costed, fully funded. we will not be increasing income tax, national insurance or vat, so no tax increases for working people. none of our plans require tax rises , but this is require tax rises, but this is coming from the party that's put

tax to the highest level since, you know, for 70 years. and they're building this sort of jeremy corbyn style manifesto where anything you want can go in it . none of where anything you want can go in it. none of it is costed, it's a recipe for more of the same and. >> sorry. i beg your pardon. jeremy corbyn. starmer. >> who is he again? what's his. >> who is he again? what's his. >> isn't this the politician that spent four years propping up sexy jezza? point one and point two? i don't remember him. i don't know if you do. nigel. decrying the manifesto in 2017 orindeed decrying the manifesto in 2017 or indeed 2019. no. and i think that, in this particular case, i think that it was obviously deliberate. >> keir starmer meant to say that they thought about the line beforehand. had i been advising, i'd have said, don't mention jeremy corbyn. no he's been trying all the way through to distance himself from jeremy corbyn. keep going on about it being a change party. it is. that's fine. but the idea to invoke jeremy corbyn, which

encourages another tory attack line no , seemed a bit odd. so i line no, seemed a bit odd. so i found that a really weird thing to want to say. >> liz truss style. >> liz truss style. >> i like to say that crashed the economy. i think that still sticks, to be fair. you know, people whose mortgages have gone up people whose mortgages have gone ”p by people whose mortgages have gone up by a grand a month will be agreeing with that analysis. can we just talk about the tax thing and sort of this smoke and mirrors. so let's just have a look at what's been pledged by the tories. altogether £17 billion worth of tax cuts. let's just break that down. that halving of employee national insurance contributions will cost 10.3 billion. then you've got the abolition of the self—employed ni contributions. that's an extra 2.6. that tax free pension allowance 2.4 billion doubling the child benefit threshold . that's 1.3. benefit threshold. that's 1.3. abolishing that stamp duty for first time buyers is 590 million. and then that suspension of capital gains tax for landlords who sell their houses to their tenants. not a badidea houses to their tenants. not a bad idea that, by the way , 40 bad idea that, by the way, 40 million. this is the costings document that they've produced . document that they've produced. >> that's the key document. that's the most important

document that everyone should read costed. >> nigel, what if we use the election? bingo phrase. >> but if but if people actually look at that document , it's look at that document, it's better than the manifesto. the manifesto is terribly vague. that document, anyone who wants to add up those figures should do so. well, i would say table two is interesting. >> in that case that talks about how they're going to pay for it with welfare reform. >> that is the key figure. >> that is the key figure. >> and close the tax gap. >> and close the tax gap. >> it's a bit vague that isn't it. welfare reform. they expect to claw back 12 billion from clamping down on the workless. >> number 10 told us after the press conference that if the welfare is welfare is untouched, it'll be 818 billion more by 2029. so all they're doing is saying, let's go to two thirds back to where it was , would have back to where it was, would have been under pre—covid levels is 12 billion savings by 2029. >> but this 6 billion tackling the tax gap. >> you've got to catch them first. >> what does that mean finding evaders. yeah it means it means catching tax dodgers and aggressive avoiders too . aggressive avoiders too. >> yeah. so the first thing you got to do is actually find them.

so when you look at those figures roughly they're spending 17 billion. that's the kind of figure the annual figure by 2030. the they're claiming they're going to raise this 18 billion. so 6 billion of that is coming from catching tax dodgers. now first of all we've got to find them. that would probably cost you another billion quid for the hmrc to go and have the inspectors out there to do it. then this really strange figure, this 12 billion you can save on welfare now, george osborne did exactly the same thing in 2010, exactly the same thing in 2010, exactly the same figure. he thought he could save 12 billion. and when it came to it, he fell 4 billion short. >> right. that's 8 billion. i wonder what labour would do. labour are not saying anywhere they want to cut the welfare bill. >> no. what labour is saying. correct me if i'm wrong, nigel. labour are saying we don't want to increase borrowing outside. very, very tight parameters because we're fiscally disciplined. that's for investment. we're not going to put taxes up. well, we're not going to put up any vat and income tax . that's right. yeah. income tax. that's right. yeah. and we don't want austerity.

yeah. so how are they paying for everything. >> well we'll have to see when, when their manifesto comes out forward to that i think on on thursday . that's right. at the thursday. that's right. at the moment the i think you can ignore what the tories say about laboun ignore what the tories say about labour. there's 38 billion black hole. you can probably ignore what labour say about the tories. they're 71 billion black hole. and that's why keep referring to that document . i referring to that document. i think what voters need to do is look at look at that document and say, does this add up? does this make sense? >> i mean, chris, do voters look at these documents? i mean, i'm not very good at the sort of maths problem on countdown. so this document i'm a journalist , this document i'm a journalist, i don't do maths. >> but nigel's been around the house for a long time. he knows where the detail is. >> chris, on this tax, that's where the bodies are buried. that's. >> my body's always buried. and we'll be poring over the labour costings document as well admittedly. but he twice doubled down today on the claim that labour would put £2,094 on people's tax bills . he's not people's tax bills. he's not shying away from that figure. if you look at it on a macro level

that's landed, people aren't looking into the detail, are they? >> there was a letter today from simon case to richard holden, who's a party chairman, saying of that. the 28 lines that made that big number 21 did come from the treasury , two internal the treasury, two internal treasury numbers and then others from elsewhere . so i think from elsewhere. so i think broadly that number is does come from treasury , but it was fed in from treasury, but it was fed in it was fed in by by political advisers who are tories. >> and theyve clearly , clearly >> and theyve clearly, clearly decided to come up with this 2094 to make it sound like a real figure when all they've doneis real figure when all they've done is make a quick division about the number of taxpayers out there and said, oh yeah, well, that's what it's going to cost you. >> should we have a listen to what rachel reeves, the woman who wants to be the next chancellor said in reaction to the manifesto today , want taxes the manifesto today, want taxes on working people? >> i want taxes to be lower, but i am not going to make any commitments without being able to say where the money is going to say where the money is going to come from, because liz truss made a load of commitments in her mini—budget. you didn't get any of the tax cuts, but you did

get the increase in mortgages and that is exactly what you're going to get again, rishi sunak said he was the antidote to liz truss. instead, he's cosplaying liz truss by again doing what the conservatives did in that mini—budget with, in this case, £71 billion of unfunded commitments . so they're not commitments. so they're not going to cut national insurance. or if they do , all it's going to or if they do, all it's going to mean is £4,800 more on your mortgage. >> cosplaying liz truss i love it, can we just very briefly just chat about that polling that you mentioned earlier? chris well, that's yes, yougov have suggested that reform are now just one point behind the tories. so they put reform on 17, the tories on 18 and labour on 38. so labour have gone down. you mentioned as well the lib dems have gained. >> well just two points if you add together reform and the tories. yet 35 points. and that shows why reform are damaging the tories. so much. because you add them together. you basically got a neck and neck election . got a neck and neck election. i'm interested in liberal democrats. this polling was done

by yougov monday and tuesday over their manifesto launch. i think ed davey has had a quietly very good campaign. yes and i think he's got his legs. yes, he's having some fun because people aren't taking life too seriously. he's got some serious policies put out on monday and ticking off his bucket list yesterday. yeah. and also he's got a story about his caring for his mother and his son. admittedly i just wonder whether he's quietly getting a bit of head and probably going to wake up head and probably going to wake ”p by head and probably going to wake up by the fifth and suddenly the lib dems are going to have 50. they've been anonymous. >> they should have. they should have 60 odd. i mean, the polls are predicting some of the polls are predicting some of the polls are predicting some of the polls are predicting the tories go to below 60 and the lib dems above 60. so we are in a situation where the lib dems could be the official opposition. i think they've been so quiet for so long. >> people are now going, oh, hello. who the lib dems and it might be that might benefit them on polling day. all right. >> nigel nelson, christopher hope, thank you so much gents, for that very agreeable chat, coming up next, we're going to be discussing the prime minister's migrant promises and whether you believe them, don't go

welcome back to vote 2024 with me. camilla tominey. should we have a listen to what the prime minister promised? when it comes to immigration in the manifesto? >> that is why if you vote conservative on july the 4th, the flights removing illegal migrants will depart in july, establishing the deterrent that will stop the boats. because when people know that if they try to come here illegally, they won't get to stay, then they will stop coming and if we are forced to choose between our security and the jurisdiction of a foreign court, including the echr, we will always choose our nation's security . nation's security. >> well, let's get some reaction to that bar from alp mehmet, who's the chairman of migration watch. alp are you convinced? >> no, i'm not frankly. why not,

well, first of all, it if you listen to what he's saying, we're going to have an international conference. hum, then see what happens. we're going to ignore the echr if it tells us that we can't do something. what will the courts say? are we going to ignore the courts as well? frankly, it's no change, really, from what has been said all along. and it will do nothing to dissuade people from jumping into dinghies and making their way across the channel. >> okay, so let's break it down. first of all, on dinghies and rwanda, do you have confidence that rwanda flights will take off in july , i gather that off in july, i gather that everything is ready . everything is ready. >> if the tories win, i should say they're not going to take off the tool. >> if labour wins, well, well, according to the polls, they haven't got a hope in hell's chance. but putting that aside, i don't think that they will. i don't think the courts will let us actually or let flights take

off. but if they did and if it were happening two years ago then maybe it would discourage people from coming across the potential to act as a deterrent in that regard, what do you make of the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, and others in labour saying , well, even if it labour saying, well, even if it works, we're still going to scrap it? well, i find that very difficult to understand, frankly. the only way that is going to discourage people from coming across illegally, if it actually works, and it does so on a regular basis , is and if on a regular basis, is and if they are saying now we're going to abandon it anyway. yes, i'm afraid that numbers are simply going to go up. >> but there is a promise in this manifesto of a legally binding cap on migration, which is progress, isn't it? help or not? >> well, they've been saying that for a few weeks now, and it was something that robert jenrick recommended in a paper that he wrote with, neil

o'brien, the cps paper , they o'brien, the cps paper, they were saying, yes, we need a cap. and that's absolutely right . we and that's absolutely right. we believe that the only way to reduce immigration is to have a cap. but frankly , when you look cap. but frankly, when you look at what their proposals are, we're going to let parliament decide. we're going to have parliament be advised or we're going to be advised by the migration advisory committee. how long will this all take? yes, it's a cop out, frankly, to suggest that it's going to be parliament making their decision on the advice of the migration advisory committee. >> if you could put a cap on numbers, what would your cap be? >> my cap would be something that means net migration of less than 100,000 and considerably less . preferably. that is the less. preferably. that is the only way that we're going to prevent the explosion in our population that is now taking place. and even, even if the government were to reduce it to

net migration of 350,000, that actually means an increase of 9 million people by the mid 2040s. >> yes, it's interesting that the government is sort of saying, well, we're going to halve immigration. so it comes to down that figure, which i think is the figure that's baked into future projections by the office for budget responsibility. this idea that we should just have 350,000 people coming in here. but of course, that's from a historic high. so we've gone from the tens of thousands to 350,000. and that being apparently an acceptable figure. yeah. well, absolutely. >> well, it is an acceptable, frankly. and we are at the moment around three quarters of a million, 700,000 that is not going to come down by very much any time soon. 600 million, a 600,000 net migration a year. that means an increase of 20 million people by the 20 mid 20405. million people by the 20 mid 2040s. we just cannot cope with that. how do you integrate

people like that? it means an extraordinary change to the make up of our society , and i'm up of our society, and i'm afraid no political party at the moment is prepared to face that and be realistic about what needs to be done. >> has suggested a net zero migration. is that unrealistic? >> alp , probably, but i think we >> alp, probably, but i think we should be aiming for that. certainly >> okay. alp mehmet, thank you very much indeed for going through those numbers with us. much appreciated. as promised, we've got former chancellor kwasi kwarteng now to react to the tory manifesto. kwasi, lovely to see you this evening. thank you for joining lovely to see you this evening. thank you forjoining me. did he go far enough? i mean, we had nothing on income tax. we had nothing on income tax. we had nothing on income tax. we had nothing on inheritance tax . he nothing on inheritance tax. he could have gone further on stamp duty. he could have gone further on vat thresholds. what's your reaction ? reaction? >> look, i think that it was very cautious at and i saw that nadhim zahawi, who was a colleague and indeed my predecessor, as chancellor, writing in the daily telegraph

that we should have looked at scrapping inheritance tax. i think there needed to be something, bolder , perhaps, something, bolder, perhaps, something, bolder, perhaps, something that would actually shift the dial, in the campaign . shift the dial, in the campaign. and what's happened, you don't i sorry. you i was going to say you don't think that this idea of abolishing ni for the self—employed is bold enough? >> well , it's okay, but we try >> well, it's okay, but we try to, get rid of ir35. >> but, of course, you know, that was part of the mini—budget, which was all reversed. so, i get where they're coming from, but i just think that, you know, as a proportion of the working population, self—employed are a big proportion. but i think it's something that won't necessarily attract as much attention as some of the other, tax cuts that they could have put in the manifesto . and of course, the manifesto. and of course, the manifesto. and of course, the manifesto is just that. it's a manifesto. the only time that we will be able to enact it is if we got a majority, which is looking increasingly difficult to imagine.

>> but then you would have thought that they would put some sort of rabbit to be pulled out of the hat in the manifesto. that's why it's slightly underwhelming, because we're in last chance saloon, aren't we? >> yes. i mean , if you ask me, >> yes. i mean, if you ask me, would we be 20 points behind in on average three weeks to go to the election? i would suggest that that was a time when you probably needed to be a little bit bold. but of course, after my experience, what happened to liz truss? i think there's a natural caution. but you know, you've got three weeks left and in three weeks it could all be over three and a half weeks. so i think it was time to have something bold , on liz truss, something bold, on liz truss, rachel reeves has accused the prime minister of cosplaying liz truss with this manifesto . truss with this manifesto. what's your reaction to that? >> i think i think that's a bit silly because firstly, you know what she and i tried to do was much more, dynamic. i think obviously we've learned our lessons, people have learned their lessons . and i think the

their lessons. and i think the manifesto isn't. isn't that at all? i think he's made a very good attempt, the prime minister, to try and balance the commitments. but the problem with all of this is that , you with all of this is that, you know, given what happened last week, given what's going on, this is could be regarded as small beer. i think people will, have expected something a bit more , dynamic. more, dynamic. >> well, what are you saying with regard to last week? obviously the d—day debacle still continues to haunt last week. what do you think? people have stopped listening. well look, last week two things happened that were damaging to the party. >> we've got to acknowledge that it was only last week on monday that nigel farage announced that he was going to stand in clacton, and that wrong sided. a lot of people. and, i think that put us you just look at the numbers . reform definitely got a numbers. reform definitely got a boost from that. and then if you compound what happened last monday with what happened on thursday, for which the prime minister has apologised, namely his leaving the ceremony, too soon, frankly , that was a bad

soon, frankly, that was a bad week. i don't see how one can deny that. no >> when we look at the numbers here, kwasi, maybe you can help us out, because christopher hope and i were trying to look at how they want to make this 17 billion that they need, and because that's what the tax cuts amount to, they've attributed 12 billion to welfare reform. and then 6 billion to tackling the tax gap. but we were commenting along with nigel nelson that that all seemed quite vague . i that all seemed quite vague. i mean, can you guarantee that you can claw back those amounts ? can claw back those amounts? >> no, it's very difficult to do that because every time you need to plug a hole in public finances , people say, we're finances, people say, we're going to have more efficiencies. we're going to get we're going to be more efficient at raising tax revenue , and that's, you tax revenue, and that's, you know, something that we've seen many times. so it is a bit vague. you can try and do it. and of course, you know, it's very difficult to be specific about how you can raise that

money, but, you know, it's carefully costed. i mean, saying that you're going to close the tax gap is at least a signal, an indication that you're keen about, you know, you're focused on raising money. >> what was your reaction, by the way, to sort of labour denouncing rishi sunak for suggesting that he, that the labour party was going to add £2,000 to bills, i mean, was that a political error by the prime minister? he's stuck with that figure and he doubled down on it. >> i think he's right. i think , >> i think he's right. i think, i mean, the issue actually was a technical one as to whether the treasury had costed it. i think that was where the debate was. i know it's sounds technical, but it was all about, you know, whether the treasury had signed off on the on the number. i think the number is realistic, actually. i think what the prime minister said was right. but, but i think there was the whole debate was as to whether the, the figure, the £2,000 for every household figure had been signed off by treasury officials. and i think they said that they hadn't done that. >> yes. i mean, some jiggery pokery by the treasury, perhaps.

kwasi. finally, i'm not sure. no. >> yeah, but no, but i mean, look , i think, i think the look, i think, i think the difficulty is obviously they're impartial civil servants . that's impartial civil servants. that's the idea. and dragging them in and saying, well, you know, they've done the costings on the opposition's numbers and this is the number, you can see why the opposition would say, well, hang on a sec. these are impartial civil servants. did they really sign off on these numbers? that's a fair. that's a fair debate. >> and ultimately, finally , >> and ultimately, finally, kwasi isn't the problem here that if the tax bands remain frozen, then everyone's taxes go up over the next five years, regardless of what either side says. >> yeah, that's true. i mean, the whole point about freezing tax bands is that because of inflation, because of hopefully a rising economy, more people are going to be in the tax band and therefore the treasury raises more money. and if you look at the £0.40 rate, when that was introduced, i think in 87 or 88, there was a very, very

small number of people who paid that because £40,000, i think the rate at which it was, was, was was a very high income. the rate at which it was, was, was was a very high income . now, was was a very high income. now, what's happened is that all the rates have stayed the same, roughly . and of course, roughly. and of course, inflation has meant that a much larger segment of the population is paying tax at 40% and now at 45.then is paying tax at 40% and now at 45. then was ever envisaged when those rates were introduced. and that's what, you know, the term for that is fiscal drag. and that will happen, regardless of who's in power , i think kwasi who's in power, i think kwasi kwarteng, thank you very much indeed for joining kwarteng, thank you very much indeed forjoining me this indeed for joining me this evening. thank you . evening. thank you. >> well, nigel farage is currently addressing being attacked today on the campaign trail. we'll bring you of that a later. don't go anywhere

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about housing next. this is the prime minister's pledge to the pubucin prime minister's pledge to the public in the manifesto on housing. >> and we conservatives also want to create a society in which everyone has a chance to own . in the last five years, own. in the last five years, we've delivered a million new homes. in the next parliament. we will go even further, delivering 1.6 million new homes by speeding up planning on brownfield land in our inner cities, and by scrapping defective eu laws. and we will go further because we conservatives believe in tax cuts. so for young families , for cuts. so for young families, for the first time, buyers purchasing a home up to £425,000, we will abolish stamp duty entirely . duty entirely. >> mark holmer, the co—founder and director of progressive property, joins me now. mark, let's break it into two. then the pledge to build 1.6 million

homes. you convinced by that? >> oh. really i'm not convinced by that. i mean, right back to 2010. there was the target , you 2010. there was the target, you know, 300,000 houses per annum, so successively every year they've not met that it's running at about 180, 190,000 a yeah running at about 180, 190,000 a year. now they seem to have upped the target to 320. yes, obviously they've brought some new, planning reforms in which will they help ? i suspect it is will they help? i suspect it is more of more of the same. it there's lots of stuff there. there's lots of hooks, lots of headunes. there's lots of hooks, lots of headlines . but, i it just looks headlines. but, i it just looks to me like it's a bit of a drop in the ocean. it needs more money. it needs more investment . money. it needs more investment. they need to resource planning departments. >> what's the main point of blockage? because it's not just a tory problem. this we've had successive governments pledging to build more housing and not succeeding in doing so well, indeed, labour have said that they're going to build 1.5 million houses over over the next parliament, which is again

300,000 a year. >> which is exactly the same as the tories, i think the main issue is the planning system. it's broken . there are so many it's broken. there are so many sort of local, sort of nimbys, people who will prevent consents going through officers are, you know, there aren't enough planning officers, most areas you've got layers and layers of consultees that you've got to get through to actually get a consent through. if i'm looking at a site and i want to, to, we build houses or build apartments and units that we would rent out. and if i am taking one of those on, i will always cost in at least two years to deal with the planning system, whereas it's supposed to be pretty much donein it's supposed to be pretty much done in eight weeks. >> and then a really quick answer to this question , because answer to this question, because we're squeezed loads of guests to get in for the rest of the show. mark. but on the stamp duty thing, i mean, he's saying that it should be abolished for first time buyers who are buying a property of 425 grand or less. shouldn't it have just been abolished? well, surely. >> i mean, okay, this brings a

few extra london flats into the equation, but but, you know, right across the country there are all sorts of properties , are all sorts of properties, that first time buyers want to buy, especially within the m25 . buy, especially within the m25. five that they can't and they're having to pay stamp duty on. of course they can't get the deposit. then they've got the stamp duty and then all the moving costs. so of course that would have made a big difference and it would have been a big gesture. >> mark, homer, thank you very much for joining >> mark, homer, thank you very much forjoining me this much for joining me this evening. well, moments ago, nigel farage addressed the latest attack on him during a speech in great yarmouth. he said he will not surrender to the mob. take a listen. >> all i can say is that whilst it is concerning and whilst of course it does make me thoughtful and i may need to change tactics slightly , but i'm change tactics slightly, but i'm going to make one promise to you and the tens of thousands watching this live online and the media. and my promise is this i will not surrender to the mob. i will not stop campaigning

. this democratic process must continue . continue. >> richard h joins me now to react to that. he's a protective security specialist and the author of the close protection book. well richard, what's happening here? because we've got mps increasingly targeted. we know about jo cox, of course, the tragic death as well of david amess. we've had mps homes targeted. we've had mps offices targeted. we've had mps offices targeted. nigel farage has had a milkshake thrown at him last week, and now pieces of concrete . what's going wrong here? .what's going wrong here? >> yes, indeed . and let me begin >> yes, indeed. and let me begin by saying these acts are wholly unacceptable and whoever is found guilty of such offences must be brought under the full weight of the law, when we have a situation where you have, the principal , the person being principal, the person being protected has a need to go out and mingle with the crowd, generally speaking , these crowds generally speaking, these crowds are unknowns to the protection team. and by coming into close

proximity, you are raising the element of risk in being attacked. and the situation is almost impossible for those conducting protection . now, when conducting protection. now, when you make a comparison between the government, protection teams and the private sector, what you have in a planned event in terms of, the general public and the media and so on, everyone knows that a certain person is going to turn up and, conduct a speech. then the government can put in certain, elements to mitigate and control those risks. they can swamp the crowds with, officers. and have, preventative measures and reactive measures in place. when you have a comparison with the private sector, it's very much dictated by the budget. and so when you have the likes of mr farage, where the budget can be very restricted, you have a situation that is extremely difficult to control and mitigate , and there has to be a

mitigate, and there has to be a process where risk , has to be a process where risk, has to be a certain element of acceptance in terms of what are the dire threats that we are facing . so, threats that we are facing. so, for instance, bladed weapons and ultimately when you have your life at risk from serious injury or death, that takes a far more precedence than over a coffee or milkshake. now, when you think of sorry, i was going to ask you, richard. >> i mean, in this case, the officers, they reacted really quickly and it was great to see. and indeed, farage himself credited them with their swift action. but ultimately, do we need there to be some sort of extra protection, maybe legislatively , for mps and legislatively, for mps and people who are running for pubuc people who are running for public office? otherwise these sorts of spontaneous acts. and by the way, this guy, i mean, he might have been planning it. he grabbed something out of a tub and just threw it. it's not like you can track fixated individuals. that's a different kind of policing. this is just people randomly attacking stuff. we've seen it with just stop oil, we've seen it with extinction rebellion . very extinction rebellion. very briefly. richard, don't we need

to beef up the law on this , we to beef up the law on this, we live in a democratic world. we live in a democratic world. we live in a democracy and a fair and free society . and you can't and free society. and you can't have one law for politicians and one law for the rest of the general public law has to be fit for purpose throughout society and if it's not, then it needs to be changed. what we have are adequate laws in my mind to deal with such incidents. however it's not a deterrent when you have someone guilty of a common assault, which just results in the community service . and the the community service. and the fine. that in itself is not a deterrent for that person's five minutes of fame. there has to be, a more concerted effort, an increased budget to provide the protection needed to these mps and those campaigning to be elected , richard h. elected, richard h. >> thank you very much indeed for joining us this evening. thank you, it's very difficult when politicians can't go out and about amongst the public. that's the whole point, surely? well we have a little section called can you believe it? named after me, camilla used to be

called something else, but we're calling it. can you believe it? and i've picked for tonight the hunter biden fiasco, because a 12 memberjury has found hunter biden fiasco, because a 12 member jury has found the defendant guilty on all three counts against him. hunter biden falsely claimed to be free of illegal drugs when he filled out a government document for a revolver and then illegally possessed the weapon . sentencing possessed the weapon. sentencing guidelines for the gun charges are 15 to 12 months, although experts say he'll get less and is less likely to be incarcerated if he abides by the terms of their pre—trial release. i'm just saying, can you believe it? because we've now got one presidential hopeful who's been found guilty of a crime. we've got now the son of a potentially president that wants to serve another term in office. joe biden's son, also found guilty of a crime. and as i've said before , at the moment i've said before, at the moment the us presidential race seems to be between two men one who might be under a custodial sentence and one that can't finish a sentence. and these are the leaders of the next free world, ladies and gentlemen, who

knows ? anyway, coming up next, knows? anyway, coming up next, we're going to get a ministerial view on the manifesto from lucy frazer, the secretary of state for culture, media and sport. what does she make of rishi sunaks formula one performance one performance at today? stay tuned for

welcome back to vote 2024 with me. camilla tominey. now we are waiting for the secretary of state for culture, media and sport. lucy frazer, to enter the building. to be fair to her, she's been doing lots of other broadcast. she's at a very busy day defending the manifesto that's just been announced in silverstone. so let's put it this way she'll either appear next to me while my show continues, and if she doesn't, she will appear with you. tom harwood because we would never ditch the opportunity to grill a minister on gb news. >> absolutely no. a minister is a dish best served grill indeed. >> so we love a grilling, what did you make of today, tom? >> you know, the first

impression i had wasn't anything to do with the policy. i think a lot of the policy had already been pre—briefed out. there had been pre—briefed out. there had been announcement after announcement for the first week of this campaign. it was almost like there was an announcement every single day. what struck me most was the demeanour of the prime minister. he looked like a man who had not been having a good time of it. he looked a bit doun good time of it. he looked a bit dour. time. >> do you know what i asked this of the health secretary, victoria atkins? i was obviously working for the telegraph by day. gb news by night. and i said, you're the health secretary. is he all right? and she was like, he's fine. he's firing on all cylinders. he's absolutely fine. i thought he didn't look like he was in his happy place . his wife was there. happy place. his wife was there. that was nice. akshata murty was there, resplendent in yellow, supporting him, but it was just very low energy . very low energy. >> you'd think that in this rousing moment, if you think back to 2017, when jeremy corbyn was 20 points behind in the polls, you know, the moment that turned round those polls, it was the labour party's manifesto. people started taking labour a little bit more seriously at that point. and there was just energy and crowded rallies and

all the rest of it banging drums, ruining that white striped song for us all. >> no, i agree with you. also at silverstone, a sort of thought you could have boris johnson at silverstone and it would sort of work. >> he'd get in the car, he would get in the car. >> and i kind of thought, you're trying to present him as this formula 1 pm, and actually he's a bit more like a clapped out old banger right now. you know, there at the end of the road . there at the end of the road. sorry, we've used enough puns with christopher hope, but let's use some more tonight. well they did this thing that all the political parties seem to do right now, which is go to an iconic location. >> yes. and just stand in front of a plain blue background. >> we didn't really need to be there. and i don't know, it reminds me of when keir starmer went to the white cliffs of dover to make a point about migration policy. >> just stood in front of a red background. he could have been anywhere he might as well have stayed in london with this polling as well. >> tom. i mean, what are you heanng?l >> tom. i mean, what are you hearing? i know you've got great tory contacts. what's the reaction, for instance, to yougov finding that reform is now on 17 points behind the tories on 18. >> do you know what i'm not

surprised. i'm not surprised. over the weekend i was talking to people who've been knocking on doors to and try and convey the sense of exasperation. i just don't think i could do it live in the studio because things are so dire, really dire. and these are in different seats that were that survived the 1997 landslide seats that were previously considered to be safe as houses for the conservative party and the people that i've been talking to have been saying that votes are stripping off in all directions. they're going to the lib dems, they're going to the lib dems, they're going to the labour party, they're going to reform as well. now, i should say that there are some mps that i've spoken to who have actually said things are about okay in my patch. yes. and there are, there are a few seats. i mean, after all, the tories aren't going to end up with zero seats, not even canada 1993. that happened. >> but but savanta as well and polling from them today has suggested that actually that d—day blunder hasn't made that much impact. interestingly, that was just one poll. admittedly you would expect there would be this huge sort of exodus from

the tories to reform. again, it's not really shown that. so that's quite interesting. i mean, you say about votes going in all different directions, i'm still not getting a sense of 1997 here. i'm not getting a sense that 2019 tory voters are , sense that 2019 tory voters are, you know, in the street waving banners in the air for keir starmer . starmer. >> no, but they don't have to be. no, they don't have to be. and if you look at the yougov poll that's released today, the labour party is on 38. now. that's more than five points behind where boris johnson came in 2019. boris johnson got 34, 44% of the vote. sorry, yes, 44. the labour party on 38. but still, because the tories are so low , a 20 point lead and it's low, a 20 point lead and it's not about the raw vote share that matters, or indeed the enthusiasm that those votes are cast with. instead, it's about the gap between first and second. so when theresa may got , second. so when theresa may got, what was it, 33, 43% and jeremy corbyn got around 40, it was only a three point gap and

therefore it's a very tight result. even though the shares of the vote were quite high. so you can sort of see how actually apathy is helping keir starmer here. but and here's the big but for the labour party and the incoming keir starmer government , in all likelihood they're not going to have a long honeymoon . going to have a long honeymoon. things are still going to feel the same and very, very quickly we're going to see if labour get in. >> there will be no poverty . vie >> there will be no poverty. vie oh yeah, the nhs will be restored overnight. there will be no homelessness on the streets, taxes will somehow fall and spending will somehow rise. do you know who was conspicuous by her absence today didn't stop penny mordaunt or indeed her blow dry tom. interesting. when kemi was there. yeah, but not penny. >> very very interesting . well >> very very interesting. well she's got she's got more marginal seats. >> we've got 30s left. what else is coming up? you're getting lucy fraser because unfortunately she's, she's here but she's going to come on your show. >> i can see her through the doori >> i can see her through the door i think. yeah we can. there we go. but no. absolutely. lucy fraser also be speaking to jacob rees—mogg, the regular person who is absolutely, but also discussing some big things that the labour party is rumoured to be announcing in just two days

time. >> all right. stay tuned for state of the nation. lucy. lucy fraser, i can see through this door here. but first, here's the weather with aidan mcgivern, and i'll be back at this time tomorrow, 7 pm. have a great evening . evening. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hi there and welcome to the latest update from the met office for gb news. there will be fewer showers during the next 24 hours with an increased chance of clear spells, particularly in the west, as higher pressure moves in. but we keep the northerly air flow so we keep that cool air with us and as a result, where we do see clearing skies overnight, it is going to turn fairly chilly. the clearest skies will be across central and western scotland , central and western scotland, parts of northern ireland and western england and wales, although still the possibility of a shower or two running into west wales and cornwall . west wales and cornwall. there'll also be some showers into the northeast of scotland, eastern england, where there

will be more cloud ten celsius here. but where we've got the clear skies further west, the potential for the mid single figures by dawn. nevertheless, it's a beautiful start to the day for much of central scotland through the highlands, grampians , western isles as well. we've got this cloud cover into the northern isles and the far northeast of the mainland, giving a few light showers in places. northern ireland, though mostly bright and dry. first thing likewise for northern england , a thicker cloud there england, a thicker cloud there for the east of england into the southeast . 1 or for the east of england into the southeast. 1 or 2 for the east of england into the southeast . 1 or 2 showers about southeast. 1 or 2 showers about first thing. likewise for west wales and cornwall. but these are the exceptions, i think, for the vast majority . blue skies the vast majority. blue skies and patchy cloud around. first thing, but mostly dry now as temperatures rise through the morning, there's always the possibility of the odd shower breaking out once again across eastern england. but for many it's a fine and bright day still on the cool side, but the winds won't be quite as brisk, so i think it's going to feel a bit more pleasant. temperatures of 18 celsius, perhaps 19 in the south, mid teens generally

elsewhere there another chilly start to the day on thursday. plenty of fine weather first thing, but in the west we've got the cloud building. the wind picks up. outbreaks of rain push into northern ireland, western england and wales by lunchtime and in the east it turns cloudy by the afternoon as well. that rain clears to showers on friday and into saturday. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. i'm tom harwood, deputy political editor of gb news, bringing you the state of the nation tonight. it's manifesto week, and the tory party has found a kitchen sink from tax cuts 2027. >> we will have halved national

insurance to 6% to tackling illegal migration. the flights removing illegal migrants will depart in july to building more homes to solve the housing crisis in the next parliament. we will go even further , we will go even further, delivering 1.6 million new homes. >> but what's the detail and will it turn out to be enough to turn the seemingly unstoppable tide against the tories? the manifesto also included welfare reforms, but as today's unemployment figures show, an increase of more than 130,000. is this all too little, too late 7 is this all too little, too late ? meanwhile, the labour party has issued a pledge to ban energy drinks for the under 16 seconds, with the shadow health secretary wes streeting, promising an interventionist approach to protecting children's health. plus, did you know that people from more than 56 countries have the right to vote in british elections if they're residents here? what does british citizenship mean

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