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welcome to the saturday five. well folks, it'5 welcome to the saturday five. well folks, it's coming home. or rather, they're coming home. sir keir starmer ha5 flung open the prison door5, 5ending thou5and5 pri50n door5, 5ending thousands of convict5 back into society ju5t of convicts back into society just as well . right. it's not just as well. right. it's not like britain isn't already looking like a scene from mad max meets coronation street. so to all of you returning renegades, if you miss the bedlam, if you miss the chaos, if you miss the charm and company of your old cell mates, well, you'll feel right at home here on the saturday five. buckle up. it's going to be a wild ride. you know the drill. each host outlines their argument about a chosen topic. then we all pile in and the first starts to fly. but of course we want to know your views as well. send your views and post your comments by visiting gbnews.com/yoursay and

don't forget to ask your questions for our ask the five segment. no topic off limits. but folks, before we start tearing each other apart, it's time for your saturday night news with sam francis. >> darren, thank you very much and good evening to you. it's just after 6:00 and the top story from the newsroom tonight is that a 34 year old man has now been arrested in connection with the investigation into human remains found in two suitcases near clifton suspension bridge in bristol. armed police detained the man at bristol temple meads train station, and he's now been taken to london for questioning. there had been a widespread manhunt across bristol and the city of london in the wake of the discovery of the body parts, but police say they're now not looking for anyone else in connection with the incident. investigators, though, do believe the remains found at an address in shepherd's bush are

unked address in shepherd's bush are linked to those found in those two suitcases in bristol earlier this week , racing commentator this week, racing commentator john hunt, whose wife and two daughters were killed in a crossbow attack , says the crossbow attack, says the family's devastation can't be put into words. john and his third daughter, amy, have thanked people for messages of support they've received since the women were targeted in their home in hertfordshire on tuesday. 61 year old carol hunt and her two daughters, 25 year old louise and 28 year old hannah, died from their injuries. it comes as a 26 year old man has now been arrested on suspicion of their murders . old man has now been arrested on suspicion of their murders. in the us , president biden's the us, president biden's insisting he'll keep fighting. telling supporters today he's not just standing as the democratic candidate, but he'll also beat donald trump and win november's election. it comes after two standout mistakes at the nato summit, where he referred to the ukrainian president as president putin and mixed up his own vice president

with his election rival. but despite those two mistakes, the uk's new defence secretary has today defended joe biden's leadership of the nato summit. john healey, who joined the prime minister, sir keir starmer in washington for the event, says joe biden's still got it. you probably noticed there's a lot of speculation lately. >> what's joe biden going to do.7 is >> what's joe biden going to do? is he going to stay in the race? is he going to stay in the race? is he going to stay in the race? is he going to drop out? here's my answer. i am running and we're going to win. i'm not going to change that . going to change that. >> apologies there. that was not john healey. that was, of course, joe biden speaking at a rally in detroit earlier today. well, an israeli airstrike has targeted the mastermind behind the 7th of october attack, according to a security official there. but officials in gaza say at least 71 palestinians have been killed in the strike on a designated humanitarian area, they claim, though israel says they claim, though israel says the strike targeted the head of hamas's military wing in an open

area where there were only hamas terrorists and no civilians . terrorists and no civilians. alec baldwin's manslaughter case has been dismissed by a judge nearly three years on from the death of halyna hutchins on the set of the western film rust. the cinematographer was shot with a revolver that the hollywood actor was using in rehearsals in 2021. the trial collapsed just three days into baldwin's hearing in santa fe. it's the second time the case against the actor has been dismissed. he will now not be tried again . tried again. >> the sanction of dismissal is the only warranted remedy. the jury the only warranted remedy. the jury has been sworn , jeopardy jury has been sworn, jeopardy has attached and a mistrial would not be based upon manifest necessity. further, the sanction of dismissal is warranted in this case. >> world leaders and a—list celebrities are in mumbai for the wedding of the son of asia's richest man. the extravagant four day ceremony will cap a string of elaborate parties. the ambani family has hosted since march to celebrate the marriage.

former prime ministers tony blair and boris johnson are among anat ambani's guests . among anat ambani's guests. royal news and the princess of wales will attend the wimbledon men's singles final tomorrow and present the trophy there. it will be her second public appearance since her cancer diagnosis was announced earlier this year, and after she attended trooping the colour last month. kate has been a patron of the all england lawn tennis and croquet club since 2016. a major music festival has come to a dramatic halt after a fierce storm swept through the grounds and tore down a tent. footage you can see here on screen that was filmed by witnesses, shows the panic as the storm hit, with people rushing to leave and even abandoning some of their belongings. star acts like james blake , skepta and royal blood blake, skepta and royal blood were silenced as organisers at slovakia's biggest music festival scrambled to evacuate the site. we now know of at least 34 people who have been taken to hospital with injuries, and the remaining 30,000

attendees have now been instructed to leave on special evacuation buses . and is it evacuation buses. and is it coming home? well, england manager gareth southgate certainly thinks so. but he's admitted he wants england to win 50 admitted he wants england to win so much. it hurts that as they face spain in the euro 2024 showdown on sunday, they've reached the tournament's final for the second time in a row after being beaten by italy on penalties in 2021. and ahead of tomorrow's match, even the king has asked the england squad to alleviate the blood pressure of the nation by avoiding any late drama in the finals , and drama in the finals, and thousands of fans have now arrived in berlin and it's certainly clear to say that they're enjoying the build up. >> didn't even get to celebrate the goal as soon as the second one went in on the phone straight away, i wrote this. let's just book from birmingham to get some from london. >> could be a chance of making history tomorrow. i was at the last final and we never won. i've been travelling following england since 2012 and i just want to see him win something.

>> i hope that it does finally come home. we've waited a long time. i'm 44 now and as i've been home in my lifetime, so i hope this time it comes home and we will of course be following the match tomorrow night here on gb news, with the results for you if you're not already watching. >> those are the latest gb news headunes >> those are the latest gb news headlines for now. i'm sam francis back for another update at 7:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes, and i can promise that you're in for a very lively hour. let's crack on with tonight's first debate. i'm going to abuse position of the chair and lead us off in this segment. now suella braverman

faces outrage from the liberal labour party and the liberal wing of the so—called conservatives. once again, what's new? here's what she said. she said the progress flag screams one thing. our government allowed the mutilation of children in hospitals. too many tory politicians insisted this flag must fly and she added there are numerous whistleblower reports. well, that well, this is my opinion actually. there are numerous whistleblower reports from the nhs tavistock clinic showing that what she just said, there can be seen as true because there were children, some may be autistic, some may be gay, but all healthy sacrificed, in my opinion, on the altar of this unchallenged and unchallengeable ideology. in and unchallengeable ideology. in an age of the sort of stonewall ization of politics. now the labour mp for me, me, me, stella creasy called braverman's comments bile . but i say, i tell comments bile. but i say, i tell you what bile. labour mp5 like

rosie duffield been hounded for challenging labour's stance. the places trans rights above women's rights . now some women's rights. now some demanded braverman's expulsion from the conservatives. now they'd they'd need quite the list, i'd say, to go with her because there are many in that party that agree. and i think that bizarre flag represents the well , doesn't represent the lgb well, doesn't represent the lgb and calling out this pride movement's alphabet asylum shouldn't be seen as career ending and shouldn't be viewed as controversial as it has been. this week. now, i'm going to start with madeline grant as a newbie to the show and indeed to the panel. now, madeleine, i assume you you don't agree with the rhetoric used or the hyperbole . you might say it. i'm hyperbole. you might say it. i'm not. i don't wish to put words into your mouth. you're perfectly capable of forming them yourself. but do you agree with the overall sentiment of

what she's saying? >> i think she said a lot of things that were true, but the trouble with suella suella braverman is that she often tends to. if i'm. am i right in thinking that she said this abroad in america? yes, she does have a habit of going and speaking to a kind of a foreign audience rather than, a domestic one. and i think the problem with this is that we're having having this very public falling out between different wings of the conservative party is, i would say, unhelpful to their chances of forming unity. and although i think she made a lot of very true points, i think there's a way of making those points without sounding because it allows your your critics to mis misrepresent and attack you for what you said, however true it is, i think you have to be all the more careful with your language at a time when you know the left is definitely on the on the left is definitely on the on the well. it has triumphed in the well. it has triumphed in the general election and i think is often on the lookout for things that can be used against people on the right. >> renee now , as a as a doctor, >> renee now, as a as a doctor, i mean, you've expressed concerns about this very issue

on this show before. wes streeting seems to be of the view that, you know, puberty blockers should should be banned if reports are correct. we haven't had confirmation on that. i'm wondering, do you think actually suella braverman has won the argument? >> i think look, the argument's been won by lots of women in this arena who have been saying these things in various ways for quite some time, and they've been shut down. unfortunately, the left are now trying to shut suella down on this, and she has allowed them to do it by the language that she's used. having said that, i think the people that have been upset by this will be the politicians around her and the left. i think if you go out onto the streets and talk to the average person, they'll say, damn right she's saying what we feel. >> i don't think the average person feels physically repulsed by a flag. you know, that is just an outrageous thing to say. look, i don't like the progress flag. i think there was nothing wrong with the original gilbert baker pride flag. there was absolutely nothing wrong with it. i hate the why do you hate

it? >> why? >> why? >> it's ugly. there was no need for an update on the pride flag because the original pride flag included everyone and the different colours had different meanings. we don't need a stripe for black people, a stripe for a brown people, a stripe for whatever. we don't need it. there was nothing wrong with the original flag. i don't like it. i don't go around going on national television saying i feel physically repulsed by a pride flag, which represents a portion of the population in this country. but i think and i think, i think if you went around and you said, if someone said i'm physically repulsed by the star of david, i'm physically repulsed by the christian cross, i'm physically repulsed by the islamic sickle. people would not accept it. so why is it acceptable for suella braverman, the former home secretary of this country, potential future tory leadership contender ? why is it acceptable contender? why is it acceptable to anyone for her to say she's physically repulsed by a flag that represents people in this country? >> firstly , you're putting that >> firstly, you're putting that flag on a pedestal with some very ancient religious symbolism .

very ancient religious symbolism. i don't think the two sit side by side. that's number one. i don't think you can compare them. no, and i think i've got a lot of gay friends who are repulsed by that flag. they want nothing to do with it. they don't want it as part of their i think it's reasonable for a politician to say they're physically repulsed by a flag that represents people's identity. i said she she should have picked her words differently, but i think her. so you agree with me? i think her sentiment will be recognised as meaningful to lots of people . meaningful to lots of people. >> benjamin. i mean, wes streeting in the telegraph, apparently banning puberty blockers and all these other things. you might disagree. you might agree with renee that actually the language was wrong, but actually the messaging was right. i mean, do you think that's where labour's at? >> well, i don't think suella braverman was actually talking about anything as specific as the health implications of puberty blockers. she said she was she was attacking a community. and you made you said in your remarks that it shouldn't be controversial. the only reason she is saying it and saying it in that way is because

controversy is her currency. she hopes that she can try and do a sort of boris johnson act of being so outrageous and having all this grassroots nothing right wing. no, but what she's trying to do is, is whip up these right wing grassroots so that mp5 feel pressured to put her through. it's not going to work. you know, quite frankly, the fact that when parliament returned, she flew to america rather than doing what her job is for her constituents on day one, i think tells you where her priorities are. and she has proven that she is not qualified to run a country because one of the first responsibilities of being a leader is to bring people together. that includes people together. that includes people that don't sit easily with you. that is a job of leadership. and i bet you suella braverman will never see the inside of the cabinet room again, because she won't get anywhere near being conservative party leader this year. and the version of the conservative party that one day wins a general election will not look anything like what braverman is saying. >> but you might be right. but keir starmer didn't go very far to bring rosie duffield in and

make her feel. feel. the kent mp took a photograph. >> madeleine, i saw that and, rosie duffield wasn't in it. >> that's wrong. they took a photograph of the newly elected mp5 and she's not newly elected. >> well, i mean, she was the only kent mp before, wasn't she? >> i mean, every kent mp, every kent labour mp took a picture apart from rosie duffield. >> that's what happened, isn't it? >> there are so many examples of times starmer in chose to be a labour mp . labour mp. >> so clearly she doesn't have a fundamental problem with the labour party. >> she's many times talked about how ostracised she's been made to feel and how no one has reached out to her. nobody has apologised to her. i think that's not in doubt and it's pretty bloody shameless that today i think, or yesterday lisa nandy said that we're putting an end to culture wars now, as if they've never had a hand in this themselves, as if this is always some invention of the right. you know, it really gets me. i think it's almost i would almost go so far as to use the word gaslighting, because we can see how labour have engaged in culture wars. it's almost like if someone wants to tear down a statue, it's like, well, that's not a culture war, and you feel

like, please don't tear down the statue. they're like, stop doing the culture war. you know, i'm just so fed up with it and it's been used. i've been using that framing all the time when it comes to trans. >> there was a poll out this last week from more in common of the issues that motivated people's decision of how to vote. yeah just 1% of people said transgender issues decided, but that doesn't mean that it's right to mutilate children , right to mutilate children, though, does it? >> it's about what's what's good, right? >> but the point is that any party that obsesses over this is going to lose okie dokie. >> right. who's going to go next? >> then i'm going to go next. i've got a bit of an unpopular opinion this week. let's the people the people on twitter for x, formerly known as twitter, have been certainly telling me it's an unpopular opinion. the question is, should ex—convicts ever be allowed to become mp5? we saw reported by the mail online. i believe it was yesterday that the reform mp james mcmurdo actually served a jail sentence about 20 years ago because he attacked his then girlfriend outside a club, and it started an interesting moral question should people who have

served their prison time served their punishment be been rehabilitated ? ever be allowed rehabilitated? ever be allowed to serve in public office? now, there are lots of different opinions on this. some people think it's completely inappropriate for someone who has engaged in such criminal criminality to become an mp. other people like myself think that actually people deserve second chances and that someone who has completely turned their life around got a well—paying job in the city of london, has children, has been married, and now has now become an mp rather than re—offended actually should be given a second chance and deserves to be an mp, even if i think what he did was appalling and my thoughts and feelings are very much with the victim and her family. benjamin butterworth , her family. benjamin butterworth, what do you make of this? do you think that we should ever be allowing criminals, particularly people who have been involved in domestic violence, violence

against women and girls, male to female? are they fit to be mp5? >> well, the question is, are they rehabilitated? are they the same person? have they learned the lesson? you know, if you want to live in a society whereby your debt can never be paid for the mistake you made, well then we're going to live in a pretty hopeless society. what he did is utterly appalling, and it's something that the vast majority of us wouldn't need to learn by going to prison that you don't beat people, women or anyone else. but it was 20 years ago, and from the comments he's made, he clearly has not repeated this action. there's no record of him behaving like that since he says he regrets it. and he now, by the time sounds of it, has a well—paid job and a happy family. and so that for me is what you want in society. you want people to learn the lessons. and i actually think the attitude that says so, for example, in the labour party, the vetting of who could be a candidate was extremely strict. the tiniest of things got people

blocked because they were nervous about what would happen. and, you know, some of that is good. you want a high quality of mp5 from all parties, but the idea that someone could have made a serious mistake and that bars them from opportunity forever, i think is a shame. you know, both of my parents have been to prison. my mother has been to prison. my mother has been to prison. she was a heroin addict for many years. she was extremely unwell. and now she is a functioning, contributing, taxpaying member of society. and she was on the wrong path for most of her adult life. the idea that she should have been denied opportunity and in fact, a couple of years ago, she got a job in a primary school as a cleaner, and they found out about that. she'd been to prison and they took the job off her. now, this is ten years, 15 years after she'd been to prison. i think that's a reprehensible way for a society to behave. >> renee some people really are quite exercised by this. by this. i was reading a response to my tweet from rebecca reid, obviously friend of the channel. she said she'd be inclined to agree, but his statement is, i'm not sorry. bingo. she says. he points out that she was drunk,

accuses people of lying in the situation, and uses the words teenage indiscretion. rebecca reid says these are all from the abusive man handbook. do you have any sympathy with that ? have any sympathy with that? >> no, none at all. it was still 20 years ago. he was a teenager and he did wrong. you know, we know that. and what he did was absolutely awful. but as everybody has said around here, he has gone to on prove that he can contribute to society, be a respectable guy. i just don't think we can hang people by their past if they've now reformed . all right. reformed. all right. >> we're going to have to leave that there. i've got some comments. i'll read out after the break on that issue though. but still to come tonight, folks. labour has banned new nonh folks. labour has banned new north sea oil drilling. is that a smart, sustainable move or economic suicide? plus the democrats are reportedly plotting to oust joe biden before november's us presidential election. are his days numbered, and who would they choose to replace him? you're with the saturday five

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welcome back to the saturday five. a5 welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for your emails about tonight's topics. now, one viewer, catherine says well done , benjamin. people like well done, benjamin. people like your mother deserve that chance. i'm glad she's recovered. well done to her. so, you know, a sign there that actually redemption and all those important messages. a key tenant, really, of the christian faith are still and maybe respected. >> maybe viewers will one day forgive me for being so woke. >> well, i'm not sure about that. i'm not sure about that. irredeemable. >> but actually contrition first, we did have one viewer called claire, who says, how can a misogynistic girlfriend be to be allowed in parliament? >> absolutely no way. women are half the population. he won't be speaking for me. so there are forthright views on both sides.

i do think as a society, though , i do think as a society, though, we are getting a little bit too unable to forgive people. perhaps, but it's time for our next debate. who's going to go next? >> and it's me next. thank you for that introduction. president putin now, joe biden has had another tumultuous week. he managed to mess up the names a bit like i just did. there between the leader of ukraine calling him president putin. i think we've got a clip of that how. >> now. >> and now i want to hand it over to the president of ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination. ladies and gentlemen, president putin. >> oh, it really makes you squirm. it is painful to see what's happening in recent years, but i still think joe biden has been a great president. they've got pretty low inflation. they've got record employment numbers and the us economic growth has been in a league that we brits can only dream of. however, he's clearly losing the plot a little

bit now as my lookalike george clooney said earlier this week, it's clooney said earlier this week, wsfime clooney said earlier this week, it's time for a new nominee. i think donald trump is a much bigger threat to the west, to america, to our security against people like president putin. he doesn't just say the wrong name, he backs putin half the time . he backs putin half the time. but that's why i think joe biden needs to go and actually, i think donald trump, if the republicans had any self—respect, they'd get rid of him, too, because they're both past it now. darren, i imagine you rather like the us fascist donald trump . what do you make donald trump. what do you make of all this? >> well , i of all this? >> well, i don't think he's a fascist, for one. and i don't think president trump is losing his marbles. i mean, he joked he had them in the first place. joe biden keeps saying, oh, i'm running, i'm running. i mean, i don't know where, but hopefully to a care home somewhere nice and friendly because, look, i've got apps. i'm unlike you, benjamin. i do not have a problem with old people. right? i quite like old people. i think

they're wise and we ought to respect them more. but i don't think we ought to make some of them. president of the united states of america, i think he's clearly not up to it. i think president trump is more with it. i think president trump, by the way, is playing a blinder right now. guess why he's keeping his gob shut. and i think that's the perfect strategy. he's letting the democrats completely collapse. they are collapsing. they're going to end up, i think, fighting like rats in a sack. it's going to look like jeremy corbyn's labour party. that's what i think it will, and, well, i guess that's the consequences you get when they take over places like san francisco. dare i say, that's what it's going to look like. >> and who do you want to be, the nominee instead of joe biden ? the nominee instead of joe biden? >> well, this is the question they have. so i think joe biden has said to aides this week that either find somebody who is more likely to win than me or i'm staying. i think his ego has got the better of him. >> who could that be? >> who could that be? >> well, i well, the person would probably be would be the

governor of california, gavin newsom because california's in such a good state, >> but i think he's a somewhat experienced. >> but there's also a guy called pete buttigieg who's a war veteran, a harvard graduate who's exceptionally clever, but he's only about 40, so probably a little bit young to be president. but look, what do you think, alby? because you know what it's like to have a party tearing itself apart at the hands of a hopeless leader. name three of them. >> clinton was 46, by the way, >> clinton was 46, by the way, >> who do i think should be, >> who do i think should be, >> well, that didn't end well. >> well, that didn't end well. >> i cut kamala harris. is that how you pronounce it? i always find her quite an interesting character. she, i think, has become a little bit more presidential since joe biden's been having all of his trouble, but she seems to be quite unpopular with the american public. it does just seem a shame that joe biden essentially said he wanted to be a bridge president when he became the president when he became the president of the united states, or a bridge leader, something like that. >> a bridge to the future. >> a bridge to the future. >> where's that bridge going? i mean, the bridge is about to collapse. yeah. and it doesn't seem to be that there's anything on the other side.

>> joe seems to think he's the saviour now, doesn't he? he seems to think he's the only. does jill or jill that can save america. they've got a big problem, actually. whoever, whether it's gavin newsom or the other bloke, because kamala is not going to just step aside. she really isn't. >> and why should she? she's the vice president. >> yeah. and she's making noises that the her name is vice president trump . she's making president trump. she's making noises at the black vote in america would be very disappointed if a white guy was you know, put in there. so i think they've got big problems whichever way they go. >> well, i find it really distressing to watch joe biden as he is now. i mean, you know, ihave as he is now. i mean, you know, i have had in my family alzheimer's has been a feature of our life. and i've seen people decline. and, you know, it's really it's heartbreaking , it's really it's heartbreaking, actually, that they've been allowing this, this poor man to be put out there and humiliated repeatedly. someone who i may not agree with him, but he has served his country as a congressman for decades, you know, since the 705, i think, or perhaps even earlier than that. and he deserves better than this. why have the people around

him not intervened ? because it him not intervened? because it seems destructive for the democrat party and for him personally. and i also think that benjamin talked about what a successful president he's been. it's really hard to say that he's been successful when we actually have no idea who was running the country. it's because it ain't joe biden. he's not he's not capable of that. it's very obvious. >> just put in context how long he's been around. there is a brilliant black and white photograph of leader of the opposition margaret thatcher meeting congressman joe biden. oh yeah. that's how long he's been. >> i heard a wonderful fact on this, on this bit. i think he's he's currently i think the year that he was born, it was closer to lincoln's, one of lincoln's inauguration speeches than the last one he did. oh my word. >> third, as old as the us itself. >> goodness gracious. right still to come tonight with caitlin moran, the columnist, getting hot under the collar, will be discussing if journalists have been sucking up to the new labour government a little bit too much. but next, ed miliband, the new energy

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a very warm welcome back to the saturday five. thank you very much for your messages on gbnews.com/yoursay. josh, who's a member of gb news. thank you very much. josh asks, can you ask benjamin butterworth how exactly trump is a fascist? >> well, >> well, i >> well, i think >> well, i think he >> well, i think he has a penchant for dictators and he has said that he would like to rule like a dictator if he's returned. he put that on record. an insane thing to say. and i think the west should be terrified. >> january 6th, >> january 6th, >> well, i mean , i, i would >> well, i mean, i, i would heavily disagree with that. and

i imagine many viewers would as well. right. but, bondarchuk on the gbnews.com forward slash us has very nice words to say about benjamin. she says, my heart goes out to him. i see him in a different light now. he makes a very relevant point. but, trust me, the authorities never let you forget your past. and in many cases, the last thing you want is for you to move on with your life. anyone who has been in trouble will often get harassed for the rest of their life by people who take great pleasure in it. and i do wonder if that's a really salient point that actually we've forgotten all semblance of forgiveness. right? and i do worry about that. i really, really do. but then fit, says benjamin. totally wrong. the sooner trump is in the white house, the absolute better for the world, i think i agree, i agree. well, look, there's one convict that i don't think should be in high office. >> we want conviction politicians, not convicted politicians, not convicted politicians . politicians. >> oh, that was good. >> oh, that was good. >> here's one i prepared

earlier. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> how long did that take? right. it's time now for our next debate. who's going to go next? >> oh, that'll be me. >> oh, that'll be me. >> oh. >> oh. >> so i would like to introduce to the world the new, energy security and net zero minister, the grown ups are back in the room. in the room. just remember that, guys, here is ed miliband. >> so my friend is blowing in the wind. the answer is blowing in the wind. so here i am on the latest stage of my gb energy tour. toun >> isn't it just wonderful ? so >> isn't it just wonderful? so this week he came out of the blocks running towards the net zero madness. that goal of 2030, possibly 2050. who knows. it changes all of the time. straight away, with the sweep of his pen, he decided he would ban all new oil and gas drilling licences in the north sea. fracking forever. no one's ever allowed to do that. and then he went against all of the recommendations and agreed that

a 2500 acre site in the heart of the cambridgeshire countryside could be bombarded and covered with solar panels and battery packs , which will look hideous. packs, which will look hideous. kill. the biodiversity is dangerous, inefficient and that land will never be able to be returned to agriculture. now let's just think about this. 8% of the world's energy last year came from renewables. so we actually are so far away from using renewables as our source of energy. but yet in the uk we can't strive to be self—sufficient. we now will have to buy, as we did last yeah have to buy, as we did last year. most of our oil and gas from america, who are self—sufficient because the grown ups are in the room there. that's why their economy is booming. we'll ship our carbon offset over there, let them have our footprint. we'll pay extra to bring in our oil and gas just to bring in our oil and gas just to keep the lights on. so ed has decided that no, we are going to jump decided that no, we are going to jump out of the plane and hopefully invent the parachute on the way down. and as we

hurtle towards the ground, we're going to plunge people into unemployment, poverty, ill health and cold. and ed just thinks it's the right thing to do. and i think when he leaves office, all he'll be able to do is leave a note that said, with the last person to leave, please blow out their candle. >> well, renee, well said, very well said. >> that was quite the, tour de force. i wish wallace would go back to his wensleydale and leave the sodding country alone to be perfectly. i don't know if i can say that word at 6:00. i do apologise if anyone's deeply offended by my, but patricia has written in. i want to put this to benjamin butterworth. patricia says miliband is stark raving mad and should be stopped immediately. we are sitting on valuable reserves of oil and gas, coal and contribute little to emissions. yet this idiot wants to put us all in the dark. he was rejected previously as prime minister, of course. so why or why is he back and allowed to do this? absolutely dreadful. he should never, ever have been given any job at all. >> well, by the same token, you could say william hague

shouldn't have been foreign secretary. >> william hague wasn't mad. that's >> well, clearly the public disagreed with you in 2001. but look, you know, well, first of all, they're not quite banning new oil and gas because we're already in the middle of a round of applications, which will probably go forward and produce billions. >> yeah, but that's the question. a lack of clarity about that. >> but anything new subsequent to that isn't going to happen. so it's not quite as as harsh as as maybe it was presented at first. but look, you know, the fact is that we can't continue to rely on oil. it's not a sustainable way for to us be. we need to have other things. we're an island wind power. solar power is massively beneficial and will be much cheaper in the longer run. it's also the case that as a highly educated economy, we can lead the way on a green revolution. and so i think we should lean in to our education sector. and the other thing i'd say is that countries like saudi arabia , which are like saudi arabia, which are heavily leaning away from their oil supplies in how they're

building their economy, they're not just doing that because it might run out. it probably won't run out for quite a long time. they're doing it because they know that the world economy wants greener solutions , and we wants greener solutions, and we should be at the forefront of that. >> but they're not actually even green, because actually the international renewable energy agency said that by 2050, the disposal of disposal of worn out solar panels and wind turbines will double be double the tonnage of all of the plastic in the world today. they're not that green in the long term. >> we have to get madeline grant because madeline grant. if viewers didn't see it, grimaced throughout. benjamin butterworth, i'm sorry. >> it's very rude of me. i have, ihave >> it's very rude of me. i have, i have an uncontrollable facial expression. >> no, i loved it. i didn't mean to. >> well, basically, i just i despise this kind of. i think , despise this kind of. i think, very virtue signalling purity , very virtue signalling purity, essentially, because we are not ready yet. a lot of what benjamin said. i mean, i agree it's a worthy idea in theory, but the reality is that we are

still so far off being able to divest ourselves completely of fossil fuels. so why would we shoot ourselves in the foot by also divesting ourselves of a load of very well—paid, highly skilled jobs? a slap in the for face scotland, a massive slap in the face for scotland. this would be when the new technology isn't ready yet at all, so we will continue to export it from other countries but not take advantage of our own reserves. it strikes me as shooting ourselves in the foot so that ed miliband can feel like a big, important statesman on the world stage and hold his head up high at the next cop summit. exactly >> but renee, he plays that song. >> renee i'm afraid i'm afraid. you know, albee's a fan of ed and his banjo. >> no, i'm not. i was about to say, can we just talk about that awful video that we actually like? i mean, i appreciate all the very intelligent points everyone has made, but i am sorry, politicians should not be singing or playing musical instruments or videos on tiktok or social media if they can't actually sing or play a musical instrument. i just thought it was terrible. i don't want to see that. i don't want to hear it. he tried to do a trick at the end. i just don't like it

and i'm not anti net zero. actually, i find the position of net zero fanatics and the position of you who was against building energy infrastructure, which you don't like somewhere in cambridgeshire actually , i in cambridgeshire actually, i think there are two sides of the same coin to be honest, because we need more energy infrastructure in this country. we don't have any whether whether that's renewables, oil and gas or nuclear, that's what we need to build. people shouldn't be opposing solar panels or wind farms. they shouldn't be opposing oil and gas and they shouldn't be opposing nuclear. briefly. >> renee right. the reason this solar panel farm was actually rejected so many times is because it actually very clearly says the benefits do not outweigh all of the risks that it brings to that area. >> so yes, let's look at the benefits and risks. but just like medication, we don't take it. if it's going to do you more harm than good. >> and we are renewables going to do us more harm than good, these ones are they're going to damage the biodiversity. >> they are a fire risk. the local fire authority don't want it there. >> you sound like a green party politician opposing nuclear. everyone's got a problem with

everything. we just need to get building. >> all right . we'll have to >> all right. we'll have to leave that one there. thank you very much. renee. janet says completely agree, renee. but darren do not insult that fine figure of a man that is wallace of wallace and gromit fame. so i do apologise. >> janet. >> janet. >> janet. >> right still to come tonight, should mp5 be allowed to protest taking the oath of allegiance to the crown? but right after the break, we'll be discussing why the media have been sucking up to labour, getting all hot under the collar. it's quite disgusting. you're with the saturday five live on gb

welcome back to the saturday five, as always. thank you very much for your emails about tonight's topics. wendy says. darren, we desperately need to spend money on cleaning up our rivers and the sea along with

building more reservoirs to cope with our open borders. how can it be more sensible to spend billions on wind turbines and solar panels than cleaning up our environment ? net zero is our environment? net zero is about vested interests. well, benjamin , declare your your benjamin, declare your your interests. he wishes. >> now though, it's time for our next debate. making her debut . next debate. making her debut. >> it's none other than madeline grant. take it away, madeline. >> amazing. well, so i've decided for my debate to choose a rather baffling phenomenon that i have noticed, in the news in the all of eight days since keir starmer won his his smacking great landslide last week, british journalists have been really struggling to disguise their glee. when keir starmer, the new prime minister, went over to washington for the nato summit, he was absolutely bombarded with questions of the why are you the greatest prime minister we've ever had variety. there were people who were

asking him, have you got used to calling yourself prime minister yet this all this sort of thing? the broadcaster andrew marr made some rather extraordinary remarks on the question time, which i think was i guess it must have been the day after or moments after the, the election. and he said that for the first time in many people's lives, britain had suddenly been transformed into an oasis of calm and stability , which seems calm and stability, which seems like rather high praise for someone who had been in charge for maybe i don't know, an hour or two at that point, and then from, from the proper simple toadying to something even more inexplicable. there has even been a certain amount of thirst emanating from certain sections of the press , the journalist of the press, the journalist caitlin moran , writing in the caitlin moran, writing in the times, wrote an extraordinary column where she talked about how keir starmer had turbocharged her arousal levels and how she and her friends all fancy keir starmer . and, there's fancy keir starmer. and, there's something about his, his, his competence that he exudes that

is just so devilishly sexy . the is just so devilishly sexy. the reason i bring all of this up is because, firstly, i cannot imagine similar scenes playing out. for the previous administration. you know, i mean, sometimes the daily express gets criticised for being pro boris, but it's almost as if the entire journalistic landscape has turned into cheerleaders for keir starmer. and also can a media cohort that is clearly this thirsty and therefore certifiable, really hold the government to account properly, as you would expect for our older viewers ? for our older viewers? >> can you just explain what thirsty means? >> oh, sorry. it means, i don't know what i'm allowed to say at this time. horny. there we go. i've said it. >> that's fine, that's fine. >> that's fine, that's fine. >> look, maddie, i'm sorry, but you sound like a sore loser. you know the fact just because she's not, i don't. >> i don't fancy keir starmer. >> i don't fancy keir starmer. >> i don't fancy keir starmer. >> i think. >> i think. >> i think that's an outrageous thing to say. >> sir keir and lady starmer are a particularly attractive couple. they look, she is now. >> you're certifiable. i mean, she's gorgeous, don't get me wrong. >> but him not a beautiful photograph. when they were at the white house on the balcony and they looking incredibly

glamorous together and also they look madly in love, which is, you know, much better than can be said for some, he sounds like caitlin moran, doesn't he? >> yeah, he does, i think he's also. i'm sorry. >> i'm. this is not this is not to do with with being a sore loser. i think the conservative party got deservedly spanked and they deserved it. i'm not suggesting that this was unfair or anything like this. what i am suggesting is that you need to see a bit of consistency and also a bit of journalistic integrity, and frankly, i don't here. i don't think that in previous decades you would have had broadcasters asking the kind of softball questions to the prime minister you can't imagine, like maurice stewart in the 905, being like, have you got used to calling yourself prime minister? >> it's absolutely understandable that you want to know what it's like for someone to take that job on. that's human interest. >> and i would just reality tv is what it is. >> it's not new that people are having these thoughts or reporting these thoughts about a prime minister. he was called dishy rishi when he was chancellor. >> i didn't read anything quite of the first levels of caitlin moran's column. >> you didn't have, you know, isabel oakeshott or dare i say, madeline grant writing. how, you know, dishy rishi makes her one?

i don't know, i don't finish, sentence. >> luckily he doesn't. so you wouldn't have read that from me. >> i mean, look, i find the whole thing bizarre, not least because i find him really a most unattractive man. he's not tall enough. that's the end of that for me. but i think it's not the point. i think your point is absolutely right, madeleine. how can we take our journalist seriously when we know that they're secretly just sitting there fawning and, you know, thinking, oh, i wish it's absolutely ridiculous. and i also think that if this was the other way round, if this was a male journalist talking about a female prime minister, you'd there'd be outrage that it was misogynistic claptrap. >> and i'll be, susan says madeleine is great. any woman that thinks starmer is sexy needs an eye test. the shallow press are a disgrace to this country. do you think they're disgrace? >> i mean, what a strong opinion, i think. i think there are different sections of the press that blow smoke up different parts of politicians in the political spectrum. are they overwhelmingly anti—conservative? well, no,

because i think about one of your colleagues at the telegraph, maddie, a chap called alistair heath, who i think after i just read some of his stuff sometimes and i think, god, this is just so overly complimentary, for example, of liz truss's mini—budget, he described it as the best budget even described it as the best budget ever. it was not the best budget. he didn't go on about how much by any stretch, by any stretch of the imagination. >> so all i'm saying is all i'm saying i can't wait to take her home. >> know that that would have been that would have been too much. but but the point that i'm making is that's my point. different sections of the media complement different types of politicians. and why are we getting angry? are we getting angry because it's keir starmer? >> no, no, no. so the other thing is suella braverman. >> when alistair heath wrote that rather ill fated column about the liz truss budget, when the budget imploded, he was mocked and ridiculed for that column. he got it in the neck from everybody. whereas i think this stuff is really getting a free pass because there are so many of them at it and asking stupid questions about the football and also acting like at this early stage in his career,

we can actually say whether he's competent or has been an effective prime minister. he's been doing it for eight days, and what i would say, that fawning shot of them on the prime minister's official plane, you know , the royal air force you know, the royal air force plane that the royal family also use, and they're sort of looking over him and it looks like one of those sort of rembrandt paintings or something like that. i said this in my sketch. i said it looked like a sorry, i wasn't stealing your great idea. you're a great minds, great minds, great, great minds. >> but read read maddie's piece in the telegraph. but, you know, i just sort of thought, where's that accountability going to be? where's that media scrutiny going to be? we're not going to get it with the prime minister. journalists like benjamin butterworth. absolutely ridiculous. i'll tell you that. >> there are endless photographs of prime ministers on that plane with journalists huddled around them like that. i think the fact is that, you know, you need to accept that britain is actually quite relieved to have a competent, decent. why was harry. >> i'll leave that there, though. we're going to take a quick break and then we've got our big guest interview. you'll find out who that is. and the future of the conservative party, and we'll do our survive. see you

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actually parts of central scotland into argyll and bute and the southern highlands not faring too badly either. the far north—east of scotland, though much cloudier with some drizzle, murky conditions around particularly long coastal areas as we see that northerly feed of air filter in that cloud. the rain across southern scotland into northern england will gradually ease a bit and turn lighter as we head throughout the day. generally turning patchy. but it is going to be cloudy and fairly dull and dreary still throughout a good portion of the day, and feeling quite cool underneath that. still temperatures only around 15 to 17 c elsewhere in the sunniest spots, parts of central scotland down towards southern england and wales, we could see 2120 three degrees celsius. so a bit more pleasant and a bit warmer here. if you're hoping that the new week would bring something a bit more summery, i'm afraid i'm going to be the bearer of bad news because we've got another area of low pressure arriving from the southwest on monday. this will be bringing bands of showers, some of those looking like they could be heavy with some thunderstorms, even some hail in the mixture as well. pushing into southern areas of england and wales, the northern half of the uk seeing

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