some of it. by some of it. by looking at some of our media today. also, our prime minister has now earned the moniker from many of being, i quote to turkey. is that harsh or fair? elon musk is coming under for fire his response to it all as well. i can promise you some very robust debate coming up on all of that . also, this is a all of that. also, this is a bizarre spectacle of a press conference around the manchester airport incident. have you seen all that? how weird. i'll be speaking to a lawyer about that . speaking to a lawyer about that. all of that and more. but first, the 6:00 news headlines .

the 6:00 news headlines. >> good evening. from the gb news room at 6:00. your top story this hour. the prime minister will chair another emergency cobra meeting shortly as police brace for another night of unrest across the country. suspects are appearing in court after a week of violence in the uk sparked by the stabbings in southport. 100 people have been charged and more than 400 arrested so far. it's following violent disorder across england and in parts of northern ireland. a former head of the uk's counter—terror police force has said it's time to start treating the worst of the riots as terrorism . in the the riots as terrorism. in the us, kamala harris has picked minnesota governor tim walz as her running mate for november's presidential election. the democratic party candidate confirmed the news on on x earlier. mr waltz , who is earlier. mr waltz, who is a former teacher and a member of the us army national guard, responded to the news on x,

saying it was an honour of a lifetime to join the campaign. harris will hope the democrat who served more than a decade in congress, can help shore up her campaign in the critical upper midwest region . the decision midwest region. the decision will be pivotal as harris prepares to challenge donald trump in the upcoming election , trump in the upcoming election, following president biden's exit from the race. back in the uk, a solicitor of a man who was kicked in the head by a police officer at manchester airport says the families the victim of a smear campaign. aamer anwar says farage himars mother was racially abused on a plane before the events of last month. he's also accused officers of not having body cams turned on dunng not having body cams turned on during the incident. >> ahmad and his mother shamim, were shocked at the unnecessary aggression and violence alleged violence shown from the start. there was no immediate attempt to speak to father, to ask him to speak to father, to ask him to step aside, to caution him, or to simply say, can we speak to you for a second?

>> in wales, eleanor morgan has been selected as first minister, the first woman to take on the role. she was confirmed in a vote of senedd members earlier after the welsh parliament was recalled from summer recess. the leader of welsh labour marked the occasion in her speech declaring the grey suits are out as she hopes to add a vibrant splash of colour to the row . splash of colour to the row. shocking levels of chaos at wandsworth prison are taking place in plain view of leaders. that's according to a new report by prisons watchdog. the prison's inspectors found the london jail not safe with rampant violence, drug use and overcrowding , despite nearly overcrowding, despite nearly £900,000 invested since the alleged escape of daniel khalife, staff still fail to account for prisoners during the day. the ministry of justice is promising £100 million for improvements, but critics are calling for an urgent change in leadership . three water leadership. three water companies are facing a combined

record fine of £168 million, after a series of failings , after a series of failings, including sewage spills. thames water and northumbrian and yorkshire water were issued. the penalty by the regulator, ofwat. thames is facing the biggest fine of £104 million. a number of hostile unmanned aerial vehicles have crossed into israel from lebanon, with several civilian casualties reported. hezbollah has claimed responsibility for the swarm of attack drones , but warns much attack drones, but warns much stronger attacks are still to come. this latest escalation comes as fears are rising that the middle east could be tipped into full blown war, after leaders of the lebanese militant group and hamas were assassinated last week. and great britain's equestrian team have finished the paris games with five medals, including two golds. meanwhile sky brown defied golds. meanwhile sky brown defied a shoulder injury to claim a bronze medal for great britain at the women's skateboard park competition.

meanwhile, keely hodgkinson has become just the 10th british woman to win athletics gold as she stormed across the line in the 800m and team gb set a new world record in the women's team sprint track cycling, bringing the total medal haul to 12 gold so far and putting them fifth in the table. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now, i'm sophia wenzler more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that. i am michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company until 7:00 tonight alongside me. i've got my panel . shaun simon, the my panel. shaun simon, the former labour minister and connor tomlinson, the writer and commentator. good evening gents,

to both of you. you're very welcome tonight as are each and every single one of you at home, wherever you're watching or listening, you're very, very welcome. this evening i want you to be part of our conversation tonight. and you can do so in all the usual ways. you can email me gb views at gb news.com. you can go to the website, which is gbnews.com/yoursay. or of course you can tweet or text me. but as i said, wherever you are, you're very welcome tonight. now look very welcome tonight. now look very dark days at the moment it feels like in society. so i want to start my programme. if you will take a moment, just to look at some good news, if we can call it that. because of course, i wish that we were never in this position in the first place. but i just wanted to let you all know that all the children now that are under the care of alder hey children's hospital in southport, are being safely discharged home. we all know that the incident, which sparked a lot of the unrest that we are having in our society, of course , started with that attack course, started with that attack on those little girls that were just, you know what, as as

children do up and down this country, starting their school holidays, going to a dance class , holidays, going to a dance class, bracelet making class with their, you know, in the theme of their, you know, in the theme of their idol, taylor swift. we all know by now the horrendous things that happened next. so of course, many of us will have been hoping and praying for those little children so i can again confirm that they are all now out of hospital. and thank goodness for that. of course, all of those children that have beenin all of those children that have been in hospital and beyond will hold the memories of that horrendous, incident. i don't even have the words. i don't even have the words. i don't even want to glorify that man in any way. so all i will say is that those children will have trauma. i imagine for a long time to come, and we pray for each and every single one of them, and all of them are affected by that horrendous situation. now, speaking of the horrendous situations, we've had another night of carnage unfold on the streets of britain last night. the prime minister will be holding another cobra meeting

imminently. actually, tonight i've got to say though, one of the things that's kind of really struck me is that many people media, of course, whipping themselves into a frenzy about how far right everything is. cobra meetings happening, how far right everything is. cobra meetings happening , tough cobra meetings happening, tough talking coming out from keir starmer. let me start because there's a lot i want to address in tonight's program, because many people would argue now that this two tier scenario is not just affecting policing, it's affecting government response. perhaps it's affecting some of the media coverage of it and so on.and the media coverage of it and so on. and so forth. i'll unpick all of that throughout this programme, worry not. let me just start though. i'll start with you, connor. your general kind of thoughts on what we're seeing are caring at the moment. >> i think if keir starmer wanted to prevent further violence, he would not have responded in the way that he has . responded in the way that he has. i don't see how it's responsible for a prime minister to declare the need for a standing army of police officers, implying he is going to war with someone, to

only come out and give a press conferences. in the aftermath of the southport stabbings , not the southport stabbings, not because of the stabbing, because of the ensuing protests and riots to only unilaterally blame the far right when we have got abundant videos on social media and in mainstream reporting now of muslim gangs charging police lines in bolton , in birmingham lines in bolton, in birmingham to only say that the far right are responsible for this, and therefore everyone else must be made to feel safe, to then allocate £28 million to the defence of mosques. no mosque should be attacked, but of course there is a muslim gang out there. he is inflaming tensions among both groups and thatis tensions among both groups and that is very reckless. and so he should come out tonight after his cobra meeting and deliver a much more balanced address and put to rest these. i think, well substantiated claims that there is a two tier approach to policing in this country. sean >> there are there are not. well

substantiated claims. these claims are utterly, utterly unsubstantiated. they're being made by which claims about the claims? well, for instance , the claims? well, for instance, the claims? well, for instance, the claim that there is a there muslim gangs loads of evidence of muslim gangs getting up to stuff just as bad as the football hooligans who are laying waste to the country. that's simply not true. sorry. simply, should they be simply not? >> should they be carrying bladed weapons and intimidating sky news simply one second? >> simply, it's a lie. no, no, i'm afraid you are the one who told the lie. and by telling those lies, you are deliberately inflaming this situation. that's the truth. >> what lies do you believe is telling? >> well, what he just said that i just said. that's just not true. it's not true that there are muslim gangs roaming the country doing the same kind of thing . the prime minister thing. the prime minister reported on it on sunday, and the prime minister should show balance. the truth is that there are huge numbers of coordinated

football, hooligan, criminal thugs who are doing serious violence, putting dozens and dozens of brave police officers in hospital doing huge damage to property. there is no equivalent muslim theme going on. that is a lie . >> okay, >> okay, so >> okay, so where >> okay, so where do >> okay, so where do we >> okay, so where do we start with this. what we're seeing i think around this table actually reflects the conversation. the debates, the disagreements that are happening in broader society because many people are of connor's opinion and many people, of course, are also of sean's opinion. i want to bring you into this conversation. so i want your thoughts throughout all of this. now, social media. so when you're saying, in fact, let me let you answer for yourself, i was just about to start explaining on your behalf. you can do that yourself. you're a big boy. so he's saying you're lying when you're saying that these are these gangs roaming around and all the rest of it. what do you say about to that gb

news this morning, charlie peters went and spoke with the woman who runs the pub that a gang of muslim men flying the palestine flag, chanting allahu akban palestine flag, chanting allahu akbar, carrying blades, attacked. >> there was nothing to do with the protests in that pub. there were children there. in the aftermath, the karaoke event and this is all on video and that was that was disgraceful behaviour by that small group of individuals. >> so i'm not lying then, several of whom doubtless will be arrested for the crimes that they committed then, but it is not comparable. did they put 50 police officers in hospital? did they set fire to and destroy the pub? did they attack and firebomb know nothing of the sort? they did nothing. they did nothing of the sort. they did assault around the pub, nothing of the sort. you're telling the truth, nothing of the sort. and nothing like it. and have you shown, have you talked about the video on the bbc this evening of local muslim people going round to that pub, to apologise on behalf of local? there's a problem there . problem there. >> one of them that actually went round for the apology has been identified by online sleuths as probably one of the

perpetrators. >> online sleuths . >> online sleuths. >> online sleuths. >> because he's wearing these, he's the exact same build. it's the exact same. hang on everyone just stop. >> so just hang on. hold your horses. i just want to explain to my viewers at home if you're watching the telly, you are now seeing what sean basically said didn't happen. so you are now seeing a pub in birmingham? i think it is , and this was last think it is, and this was last night. i didn't say it didn't happen. >> i said it wasn't. i said it wasn't comparable. i said it wasn't. you said yes. absolutely. that was his whole point. it was a lie. he said the prime minister should show balance. it is a lie to say that anything comparable hasn't been happening. >> he shouldn't condemn that. >> he shouldn't condemn that. >> it is a lie to say he should condemn that. if you ask the prime minister to condemn criminality, a problem, he will clearly condemn all criminality. no, no, no, as i just said, he's not condemning all there is. no, he's not comparable. all criminality. >> this is the point. he's only blamed the far right. i don't want people setting fire to hotels in rochdale. i don't want

opportunistic thugs going and looting a lush or a greggs. and i don't want this to happen ehhen >> another clip from birmingham last night where the mobs, the muslim mobs of men, would decided that a car had a white man in it and they smashed this car. many would say they attempted to get the driver out of this car, apparently because of this car, apparently because of the skin colour many would say. i mean, did did they or not? on the flip side, well, sean, you know, many people have seen this footage. i'm showing the footage for themselves. so you at home can be the judge. this is hull, my hometown. i'm ashamed to admit that this is a gang of. you know, protesters here that the media would describe as far right . they, describe as far right. they, too, are attacking a car because they said it had foreign looking men in the car. this is completely disgusting. so i've just shown you two sides completely unacceptable . you've completely unacceptable. you've got the so—called which i wouldn't call these people out , wouldn't call these people out, but you've got the so—called, protesters that people regard too as far. right. you've seen

someone attacking that car there because they think there's foreign people driving, disgusting, racist behaviour. i can tell you that. and then you've seen the other side there in birmingham, where you've got muslim groups attacking a car because they think a white guy is driving an edl member. also racist, disgusting behaviour. and i would argue quite comparable, actually not not comparable, actually not not comparable at all. >> because not comparable in scale have dozens and dozens and dozens of policemen being put in hospital by those, those muslims in birmingham. no, no. >> so let me answer. let me tell you now what many people sean will be shouting at their screens. so your concern here screens. so your concern here seems screens. so your concern here seems to be your measure of badness. almost seems to be how many police officers have been injured? many of my viewers, sean, will be shouting at their screens saying no, michelle, there's not been masses of police officers injured in birmingham for one simple reason . birmingham for one simple reason. where was the where were the police? it was like swat. the police? it was like swat. the police officer. where were they when you had gangs of these people, many of them armed? we saw that for ourselves, many of

them doing all kinds of things in their car. and many of them, as i've just shown you, are trying to get at somebody in their car because they thought it was an edl member. the police weren't harmed because the police weren't there. >> the police were there. >> the police were there. >> they weren't were no, they weren't no, weren't literally. one of the heads of birmingham police came out this morning and said it was nothing more than a scuffle you'd see on a saturday night. they were not there. this is what i'm saying. it is comparable because both actions are immoral. and i'll tell you what, mate, i think they should crack down on this before they reach the same scale of police officer injuries. i don't think they should wait till then. and keir starmer, by not calling it out, is letting it escalate. bnan out, is letting it escalate. brian graham whetstone, the police officer who spent 30 years on the front line of pubuc years on the front line of public order policing and wrote the book on public public order policing, absolutely clearly , policing, absolutely clearly, unequivocally, as all senior police officers have done have have said , obviously policing have said, obviously policing anybody who knows anything about

policing will tell you is tiered . policing will tell you is tiered. >> you can't police everything, everything at full scale, everywhere, all the time. you tier policing according to the threat and the and the requirement that event those blokes standing in the middle of a roundabout was appropriately policed by standing in the middle of a roundabout. >> they literally just we've just played the footage of them assaulting a car and assaulting assaulting a car and assaulting a pub. why why are you not admitting this has happened? i'm happy. admitting this has happened? i'm happy- why admitting this has happened? i'm happy. why are you not distinguishing that from the level of disorder, violence and criminality? i already said they should go to prison. >> the level of disorder, violence and criminality that has gone on all over this country. i already said for a week. the bottom line here, the bottom line is which side are you on? and you are on the side of the criminal football hoougans. of the criminal football hooligans . that is which side hooligans. that is which side you're on because you're trying to make the argument that a few muslims standing in the middle of a roundabout amounts to the same thing, and it doesn't. they weren't nothing like it. >> roundabout and you know it. they had bladed weapons. they intimidated sky news reporter.

they were speeding. they attacked a car and they attacked people inside a pub. and i have no problem condemning people that are arsonists, that are i have no problem. and you don't? >> i have no problem. no. >> i have no problem. no. >> just denied it existed until he played video footage. no. you said i was a liar. i didn't know there were no two tiers of policing. and you cited a police officer saying is not true at all. >> there, please. >> there, please. >> i have condemned any criminality that happened, and i have said that i have no doubt that the police, who would have been well aware what was happening, will take action. there will be arrest. >> that is my concern. i have a doubt. that's because not present, because you're not on the side of the police. >> you're not on the side of britain. i'm on. you're not on the side of the country. you're not on the side of our law. you're not on the side of our institutions. you're only on the side of the football hooligans who are trying to destroy all that. >> that's why i am on the side of the law, being applied equally. and my concern is, as it was not in harehills, leeds, as it was not in the recent manchester airport event, as it was not clearly in the footage you saw in birmingham. >> how do you know how the law

was or wasn't applied in the recent manchester airport events? >> because they've not been charged yet? >> what does that mean? that the law hasn't? >> yes, because we've all seen the cctv where they're hitting police officers unprovoked. they broke a femur. >> we'll talk to a lawyer. >> we'll talk to a lawyer. >> we're going to do that later. but this is another in a pattern of events. we cannot have it where the law is afraid of applying the law to certain law is not afraid. >> the law is not afraid. clearly is. the law is not afraid. the police are not afraid. the police are not afraid. the police are not afraid. the prime minister is not afraid. i ask you a question. you have an agenda? >> yeah, right. okay, well, we're going to come back. apparently he's saying he's got an agenda, so we'll ask him about that in a minute after the break. let me just be clear. are you telling me and the viewers that you don't think there's anything to terror going on in the society, whether it's policing, whether it's media reporting or government response, it's all, level playing field. it's all not nothing to see here. >> do you not think that what is the what? >> i think i'm asking you what you think. i know what i think. >> what colour are most people in prison? >> what's that got to do with my question to you? >> i'll tell you the answer. the answer is that they're not white. so how does that fit with your two tier policing? >> but i'm asking you, in current times with the

conversation that we're having now, which is about the state of the rioting, the protesting, and the rioting, the protesting, and the criminality and all of that, do you think there is a two tier response to the current goings on on the streets or not? >> i don't think the current goings on have got two tiers. the current goings on are about far right football hooligan criminals trying to attack our democracy, and they are being policed by hard working, brave policed by hard working, brave police people who should have the support that they're not getting. right? well as i've said, you're hearing two very different opinions here, and this is what i want to happen. >> i want different sides of these arguments to come together and respectfully debate because sean saying, whose side are you on? and actually, if you don't mind me being so bold, i think this is part of the problem, actually, that people are being pushed to pick a side. whose side do you support? actually, i think we should all be on the very same side, which is the same side of peace and restoring law and order and calmness and civility to the society in which we live. so they should just be one side. if you ask me, this

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hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co el tel 7:00 alongside me, sean simon, the former labour minister, and conor tomlinson, the writer and commentator. i can tell you feisty debate to begin the programme. and actually this reflects what is going on in society at the moment. people have very strong opinions, they have different views as to who's causing which problems and how the government is or isn't responding to it. so we're very much echoing what many of you guys think at home. so you've heard from these two. let's hear from somebody else, shall we? listen to what she has to say. dame priti patel, you know, we believe in the rule of law in this country, not the rule of the mob . rule of the mob. >> end of story. what we saw last night and i saw that

footage in birmingham that was that's just outrageous. and unacceptable. that was criminality and violence. but what was missing? where were the police now? i don't know the full facts behind this, so i don't want to go into any speculation whatsoever. but again, in the absence of the facts, the government needs to be answering these questions in parliament. >> well , there you go. that's >> well, there you go. that's priti patel, and that is an exclusive interview that's coming up tonight on the patrick christys show . he joins me now christys show. he joins me now to tell us more. patrick. >> yes , absolutely. so it's dame >> yes, absolutely. so it's dame priti patel's first tv interview since she announced that she was going to be running to be the leader of the conservative party hopefully, in her mind, going to be the next leader of the opposition in the next prime minister. of course, it's a wide ranging interview. i've asked her a series of questions, including whether or not she thinks that keir starmer and yvette cooper have made this rising worse. quite an interesting take from her on that. does she believe in two tier policing? does she believe i explicitly asked her whether or not she feels as though politicians are less likely to call out the actions of certain

elements of the british muslim community, as they are for other aspects of communities in britain. again, an interesting answer. she was scathing about labour's jess phillips. she also chimed in a bit about keir starmer's pitch battle with elon musk that is raging on as well, just in terms of a couple of other aspects of it. i also wanted to know whether or not she would throw her arms around suella braverman if she became the next tory leader. those two are rumoured not to get on particularly well. why she thought she was better than robert jenrick and of course, as well . what would happen with well. what would happen with nigel farage and the reform party? i'll be on nigel's show later with another clip of what she had to say. i'm not sure it's great news for nigel. can i just very quickly, michelle, not to get into too much of your time. i have got another big scoop tonight. >> get on with it then. >> get on with it then. >> and it is revealed anyway, some of labour's secret plans for asylum seekers and illegal migrants. and i can't help but wonder, given tinderbox britain at the moment, whether or not that might actually make things a heck of a lot worse, you'll have to tune in to find out. >> that sounds riveting stuff . >> that sounds riveting stuff. patrick christys and i, for one,

will be watching. that's tonight's patrick christys at 9:00. thank you very much for that. now, where were we? okay, i remember exactly where we were. we're debating what is unfolding on the streets of britain of course, we saw chaos again on the streets last night, and it really has yet again divided people. we've, of course, seen repeats of the scenes that we've had already, where you've got people that are protesting against things like uncontrolled immigration on the streets of britain . they are streets of britain. they are coming, i would argue, actually, to close in some cases to counter protest where people are obviously very passionate in their belief that refugees are welcome. so very unpleasant scenes that we've been seeing when those two groups are being confronted. also, the thing we were just really talking about last night was now we've had, the situation where and i would argue that again , lots of this argue that again, lots of this has been spawned by misinformation and i would argue as well, downright lies. quite frankly, on social media, because now you've got groups of

people from within the muslim community taking to the streets, apparently to defend themselves against a so—called far right threat that's not actually materialising. it's people on social media that's saying people are coming down to your areas, connor tomlinson, we were just talking about that. sean simon is having absolutely none of that. your thoughts? >> well , i of that. your thoughts? >> well, i think it's inadvisable for anyone to go to these protests , first of all, these protests, first of all, because even if you are going down to show that you are mourning the loss of the southport victims or you have objections to immigration, as i do, you are probably going to be swept up in violence committed by other people, which you should not commit, and you will probably be arrested. so i'm going to say to people, even though feelings are high, it is very unwise to go down there. no matter what you hear. but i think the important point is being made before the break that the police have in other instances. and in this had a stronger presence at the english

side of the riots than the muslim side of the riots. >> so you can't say english because a lot of people are muslim. there are also english. >> no, as in like the english flag waving ethnically english side of the riots, because there's not a large muslim presence at the counter at the main demonstration since the southport riots is there. i think that's a fair distinction to make. and the point being, there have been prior events and this has been raised by other guests on your show, particularly yesterday, like the black lives matter riots, where in america there was a parallel demonstration in england where there was criminal damage committed and the met gave their officers the go ahead to take the knee. there was the palestine protests every weekend and wednesday since october the 7th, not since israel's retaliation, mind you, who shot fireworks at police horses, who projected from the river to the sea on the elizabeth tower while parliament was in session, who were intimidating mps and they got a lot lighter of a touch. so all i'm asking is the standards be applied fairly and we don't have massive ethnic gangs fighting in british streets . fighting in british streets. >> it's not legitimate to

distinguish between muslims and engush distinguish between muslims and english like it's not legitimate to say ethnic english versus muslims, but we don't talk like that in this country anymore. what do you mean you don't talk like that in this country. we the rest of the country, the mainstream, the normal, britain proper, britain, we don't talk like that. we don't think like that. and it's you that's like what? like that. >> like, what are you insinuating? >> i'm not extenuating. i'm saying it really clearly straight to your face. yes. i am so ethnic english versus muslim. we don't talk like that in this country anymore unless we are racists. >> it's possible to be not ethnically english and born in britain , but that's not britain, but that's not a controversial statement whatsoever . whatsoever. >> what's ethnically english mean as in your your grandparents and your parents, and they're from anglo—saxons. >> like, i'm not associating any morality with that. i'm just saying there are two groups

here. one group is flying the engush here. one group is flying the english flag. one flag is the palestine flag. but then that group that's flying the palestine flag that are saying allahu akbar and the like, they're not protesting on behalf of england as the other protesters say they are . that's protesters say they are. that's the only distinction i make. >> those those hooligans in balaclavas throwing firebombs at mosques and putting british policemen in hospital, those people, they're not. they don't for stand england. hang on. >> i'm not saying they're standing for england. i'm saying they are english people. >> and they think none of them, none of them are irish then by heritage or scottish or they might well be. >> but i'm saying the predominant. >> why do you call them english? >> why do you call them english? >> because the predominance of the protests are waving the engush the protests are waving the english flag, and by their accents in the video, they sound english. why is this? why is this a contention? i'm just saying, there's one side here and one side there, and i don't want massive ethnic fights. what a weird thing to pick up on, because it's not a weird thing, because it's not a weird thing, because being english is not an ethnicity. >> england. hold on. england is a country, right? it's a nation. yeah. >> and a nation has a people. >> and a nation has a people. >> and a nation has a people. >> and this country, this nation

of mine. and most people , of mine. and most people, including most people watching this program, they they don't they don't think like that anymore because it's full of people who are not and have not been for generations, what you call ethnically english. >> but hang on, there are still ethnically english people here. that doesn't mean that there aren't ethnic english people here just because we have new arrivals. that's like saying that's like saying scotland has immigrants, therefore there are no scottish people. >> but what i mean, i don't know if we're going slightly off topic because one of the one of the issues in society at the moment is everybody is throwing labels around left, right and centre. >> they're often sometimes doing it as a way of smearing people. they're often sometimes doing it as a way of trying to silence debate. and sometimes they're trying to do it to just categorise people. i mean, it's not the same, but it's certainly an application of labels. you've just described everyone earlier on as being football hooligans. i mean , unless you've followed i mean, unless you've followed each and every one of these people around, i suspect you've got no idea whether these guys are football fans, rugby fans, or nurse sports fans at all. >> the point of saying that is

that what they're not is political protesters making a valid point? they have they have totally forfeited the right to be considered and i tell you now, by the way, that i agree with you. >> and i think that one of the things that's a real tragedy that's happened in all of this is that i do believe that there are a number of people, and i would argue that there are numbers of people are in their millions within this country that have very legitimate concerns about the shape and the direction that this country is travelling in. and for decades, the people in power when it comes to politicians has repeatedly ignored those people's concerns. they've not just ignored them, they've smeared them, they've tried to shame them into silence and they've delegitimized the concerns that many people have . concerns that many people have. what's happened now is by these , what's happened now is by these, criminal, thuggish , often racist criminal, thuggish, often racist activities . this is what we're activities. this is what we're now talking about. so we are now talking about people attacking police officers. that's never

okay. it doesn't matter who's doing it doesn't matter what labels you want to give to anyone. you can't go around battering police officers. that's not what you do in this country. you certainly can't go around damaging places of worship, whether that's a mosque, synagogue , church or mosque, synagogue, church or whatever that is wrong, and i don't even want to embarrass myself, even by reducing this down to talking about nicking shoes and bath bombs. i mean, that goes without saying. and it also is categorically wrong when people start attacking someone else as innocent, just based on the colour of their skin. but i do find it quite remarkable that, and it's almost a convenient fact to the government that because the conversation now has come about, this stuff that we've just been talking about and denouncing quite rightly, the conversation that many people have, you're saying that there's not a political element to this , the, political element to this, the, the government, one of the, former chief police bosses, he was talking about classifying this as terrorism. so they must be, in his mind, some sort of

element of trying to create some kind of change in policy or political outcome or something like that associated to some of this stuff. but do you think that many people in society do have legitimate concerns about things like immigration, uncontrolled immigration? >> i think you're right. when you say that there are millions of people who have those views , of people who have those views, and that those views have not found a place in, mainstream politics. and that that we haven't found a way as a society to have that conversation in a like in a in a good way. >> it's not that we've not found a way of society because many people are very open and able to have that conversation. what's happenedis have that conversation. what's happened is that people are operate within the establishments of power, whether that's politicians, whether it's many people within the media and so on and so forth. the second people and this is goes back years. the second people start raising concerns about the pace of change in their neighbourhoods or the fact that there is now a hotel in their

neighbourhood that is full of a hundred men with no idea who these people are , essentially these people are, essentially from warzones via the safe country of france . obviously, country of france. obviously, the minute someone tries to raise those concerned, they are immediately called far right. and that is very deliberate. that's not an accident. that's not a, you know, accidental label. that's a deliberate label intended to shame people into silence. and then let me say this . when you censor, i have this. when you censor, i have a little saying, and i think that censorship is the midwife of extremism . when you take extremism. when you take somebody's concerns about and i accept, there's loads of people that love, the immigration rules as they are. and, you know, they'll stand on the chairs and they'll stand on the chairs and they'll chant refugees welcome and all the rest of it. so that's that's wonderful. i'm not talking about those people. i'm talking about those people. i'm talking about those people. i'm talking about the opposite side of the argument. when people do have those concerns and they've been shamed into silence, you don't make those concerns go away. if someone's got these concerns about uncontrolled immigration when they call far right and almost battered into submission, you don't suddenly lose those concerns. what happens is you shame them into

silence and censorship is the midwife of extremism . so what midwife of extremism. so what you actually do is you push those concerns to the more extreme fringes of public conversation, and a public society, and that is problematic. let me tell you. look, conscious of time. so i'm going to take a quick break right there. i will be back to continue this conversation in two.

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry i'm with you until 7:00 tonight. alongside me, i've got shaun simon, the former labour minister, and connor tomlinson, the writer and commentator. now, i could tell you it won't surprise you. very divided opinions at home, many people, harry says. i actually feel sorry for keir starmer michelle. he's only been the prime minister for a month and then having to deal with this when you arrive. it would be a rude awakening for anybody. gary says .

awakening for anybody. gary says. michelle, what about people like reform uk? why don't they go to the forefront of all of this and organise peaceful protest? and then that way, if someone has got legitimate concerns, they can spread their message without the awful associated violence. he says, simon says the police need to stop all of this. whether or not this policing is to tear or not, it is all covering up the real issues in society and what is actually it going to resolve. marion says it would be good if someone from the labour government listened to what was being said. these riots are happening because no one is listening. i've got to make a distinction. there is a difference between taking to the streets and peacefully protest. you know , no problems with that. you know, no problems with that. thatis you know, no problems with that. that is one of the rights in society. you can't though, and i can't believe he's spread this out . you can't then set if out. you can't then set if you've got an issue and i would say it's an understandable issue with not wanting to have an asylum hotel at the end of your road filled with people from war zones, that might be, to some, a

legitimate concern . you don't legitimate concern. you don't then go and set fire to said hotel with people in it. i mean, thatis hotel with people in it. i mean, that is absolutely , that is absolutely, unacceptable. i've got to say, social media is really playing a role in lots of this. elon musk, he has come under a lot of fire. he's been predicting stuff like civil wars in society, and he's been calling keir starmer to tear keir. and i would appeal to anyone during these moments of kind of heightened emotion. we've got to be responsible with what we post because people are impressionable at the moment and people are angry and whipped up on all different sides of the coin, and something caught my eye as well. so we've seen people taking to the streets, there's people when lots of this was unfolding, talking about things like acid attacks that muslim women were being subjected to acid attacks. so many prominent campaigners , this many prominent campaigners, this one here, this is a guy called nick lowles. he, heads up an organisation called hope not hate. he was saying, muslim

women, being acid attacked. many people were repeating this claim . people were repeating this claim. cleveland police had to come out and issue a statement saying they'd had no reports of this whatsoever. saying that someone had called in and said something had called in and said something had happened, but they didn't know where. they didn't know what they didn't know with whom, and they didn't know anything about it. and i mean , this has about it. and i mean, this has real world consequences, because when you look at these people, they're taking to the streets and they're specifically cite things like acid attacks. listen to this. >> there's our fathers have come from a different country to here. we were born here we are british pakistanis. we are muslims. we will stand here. we will fight against edl. we will fight for our ground. our muslim sisters against acid attack must again be taken . everyone should again be taken. everyone should be here. >> so, i mean, this online stuff has real consequences. >> yeah. nick lowles and hope not hate have repeatedly spread lies about me, about colleagues and friends of mine. they have released the personal

information of on anonymous twitter accounts, and yet they have employed members of the communist party of britain who a gb news investigation by charlie peters and stephen edgington found celebrated the red army, who obviously raped and murdered their way across germany. >> so i mean because obviously these people are not here to defend themselves and i'm sure that they would deny a lot of this this on video on gb news. >> right. so that's fine. so these people are happy to be agitators against quote unquote the far right. and yet despite crying foul about misinformation constantly publish lies on the internet without repercussions. i think it's disgraceful sean. >> i mean, i'm not you know , i'm >> i mean, i'm not you know, i'm not going to get into that. i'm not going to get into that. i'm not getting into that. i don't know, i don't work for no, i'm talking to you. >> you don't need to get into what he's saying. that's his view. i'm talking to you about disinformation. that is being deliberately, disseminated to whip up fury and abuse and violence and to divide people .

violence and to divide people. >> so my two answers to that are, firstly, much , though, i'm are, firstly, much, though, i'm sure that connor will will say the opposite, given he's not exactly balanced. take about hope, not hate as a whole, i'd be surprised if he had deliberately tweeted that in order to whip up, make this violence worse. but certainly if that thing that he tweeted was wrong and corrected by the police, then that is careless and unhelpful and making the situation worse and everybody on all sides needs to be very conscious of not doing that. but again , i simply do not believe again, i simply do not believe that there is any kind of equivalence between the that kind of misinformation that's come out on what you might broadly call the left and the incredibly organised, systematic misinformation that we've seen

from what surely in this case, even you will admit, is correctly called the far right who have been driving this violent criminality? i tell you what i think. >> i think that people have used this far right label so often that it's now become so diminished as a phrase. and it worries me because what's happening is you saw people take to the streets and they were just ordinary members of the public. you could see them. they were just old. young. and by the way, i don't agree with children being involved in any of this stuff, by the way. i just want to make that point. but they were old. young. they were your neighbours. they were just regular, ordinary people. what's happenedis regular, ordinary people. what's happened is that then fragments of them have then started becoming violence and that is appalling. but this notion that all of these people that have been taking to the streets are far right, that is absolutely for the birds. and i'll tell you what, i really worry about. i really worry that many in society are going to have this cold, sharp shock because when everyone in the media starts labelling these, young, young teenagers and whatever these

thugs has been far right, far right, far right. i really worry that the more this goes on and that the more this goes on and that people are whipping up different sides of arguments and communities in this country. when you're lying about acid attacks and then when you're not removing those claims, when the police have even said that they haven't had a single report of that, i would say that that is irresponsible. and i'm not putting this on one individual. there's many people doing it, and that has real world, consequences. and the more that we see members of society taking to the streets to so—called defend, their communities and so on, then i really do worry that then we really will see far right people in response on this on the streets of britain. and that will be a big awakening and one that nobody wants, because everybody , especially myself and everybody, especially myself and i'm sure everyone else we need peace in society and whatever side of opinion you are on, it is in everybody's best interest that all of this , calms down and that all of this, calms down and

that all of this, calms down and that as a society, we somehow i don't know how. by the way , but don't know how. by the way, but we somehow manage to come together and move forward in a productive way anyway , look, productive way anyway, look, let's carry on conversations after the break. i'll see in two.

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry till seven jul simon and connor tomlinson remain alongside me, lots of people. andy, for example, points out , michelle, example, points out, michelle, many people have tried democracy to raise their concerns about things like controlling our borders and immigration. we've had so many votes alongside this. he's mentioning things like the brexit referendum and so on and so forth, he says. the problem is that people are just not listening. and if you have those concerns, what are you to do? what do you do? they're trying the viewers are telling

me, or many viewers are telling me, or many viewers are telling me that they're trying democratic means they don't really feel that that , is, really feel that that, is, listen to people feel exasperated. of course, just to echo to and repeat, none of it excludes sorry, none of it justifies things like battering innocent people, setting fire to things and so on and so forth. thatis things and so on and so forth. that is criminality, mike says michelle, come on everyone criticising riots. one of the problem is people in society have seen that their influence change. many people are saying in harehills, of course you have those children that were taken away, and then riots ensued and then they got put back in. you've seen scenarios where people have gathered outside a police stations dictating what needs to happen in criminal justice proceedings or else. and guess what? there's criminal justice proceedings seem to have been influenced, and many of my viewers are pointing out that thatis viewers are pointing out that that is one of the challenges in society . anyway, look, elon society. anyway, look, elon musk, he's come under a lot of criticism , some people criticism, some people suggesting that twitter should be banned. >> yeah , he's decided to tweet

>> yeah, he's decided to tweet out hashtag to tuc. musk has been monitoring various instances like this. he waded into the parnell square stabbings and subsequent protests and riots that toppled the t shock in ireland last november. so it's not shocking that he's looking at this too. and now keir starmer has completely lost control of the narrative when the man's the man with the world's largest platform, is tweeting out a damaging nickname for him , john. damaging nickname for him, john. >> should it be banned? twitter >> should it be banned? twitter >> no, no, of course not. i mean, when i mean i agree that it's not good. it's not good news for keir starmer. it doesn't doesn't help his case. but i mean elon musk is a not a credible commentator on the united kingdom is he doesn't know anything about our country and he doesn't care anything at all. >> how do you know how much he knows and cares about? >> because, you know, because if he knew anything about our country, he would not he would not be tweeting civil war is inevitable. is that supposed to

help? i mean, even if there was a scrap of truth in it , which a scrap of truth in it, which which if you knew anything about our country, you'd know that there wasn't nobody could think. >> it's a worrying prediction . >> it's a worrying prediction. >> it's a worrying prediction. >> nobody could think that that is a valid or credible attempt. >> well, let me say this. i absolutely hope that it's a wrong prediction. put it that way. look, that's all we've got time for keir starmer, imminently we'll be hosting another cobra meeting. let's see what the outcome of that is. you've heard different opinions from the panel tonight. i've got to say, personally, i absolutely do not think keir starmer has been handling this well at all. you can label people all you want, but it will not get to the root of the issues. look, i'll see you tomorrow. thanks for now. thank you. no night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news >> good evening. it's time for your gb news. weather forecast from the met office. looking further ahead and there will be some rain at times for many of

us as we go through thursday and friday, but for the time being, we're changing to something a bit cooler, a bit blustery and a bit cooler, a bit blustery and a bit showery because there's an area of low pressure to the northwest of the uk and this is driving some showery bursts across parts of the uk for many central and eastern parts of england and also eastern scotland, it's actually going to be a largely dry night with some clear skies, but further west we have quite a few showers piling in and some of them could be a little bit on the heavy side. most notable perhaps in the south will be the fresher feel to things. temperatures will be a good few degrees lower than they were last night, perhaps a bit more comfortable for sleeping. taking a closer look at first thing tomorrow morning, then across much of central southern england, it's looking like a bright, fine start, but some showers across parts of the south—west and also some showers for parts of wales as well, and northwest england too. meanwhile, northeast england, starting the day largely dry. quite a few showers across northern ireland, but it's across scotland where we're going to have the heaviest, most persistent rain, some showery rain making its way north

eastwards as we go through the morning. this rain could cause some problems on the roads, could be some spray around , could be some spray around, perhaps even a little bit of localised flooding, but it does clear away northwards as we go through the morning and breaks up. so just turning quite showery across scotland and also across many northern and western parts through much of the day , parts through much of the day, towards the south and east, you have a greater chance of avoiding those showers. and here we'll have the highest temperatures, highs of around 23 to 24, so not quite as high as they have been recently. more wet weather to come as we go through towards the end of the week. there are a series of fronts waiting to come in from the west, so most of us will see some rain arriving as we go through thursday, and there could be a bit more rain to come as we go through friday as well . as we go through friday as well. all the time. it's likely to be quite blustery or breezy and so that will add to the relatively cool feel to things. considering it is august by by looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb

>> good evening. tonight of course, we talk about the riots that have taken place, the disgusting attempt to trump in the riots on me and do we have two tier policing? because that's becoming a very common perception around the country. we'll also discuss has the uk now effectively put an arms embargo on selling weapons to israel? is that the reality or not? and priti patel has joined patrick christys to do a big exclusive interview. and of course it's part of her leadership bid for the conservative party. patrick will come in and tell us ahead of the full interview later on tonight some of the highlights from that. but before we get to the programme, let's get the news with sophia wenzler