to come home to the royal plan to come home to the royal fold. but would you welcome him back? i'm joined tonight by political commentator chloe dobbs, former lbc political editor theo usherwood and former labour special adviser paul richards. and what do you reckon is up with this lady? >> no such thing as a free press anymore . anymore. >> and some breaking news tonight. protests are happening in tel aviv and across israel after six israeli hostages were found dead with gunshot wounds to the head in a tunnel in gaza. the pictures on your screens are the latest scenes coming out of israel tonight. the head of israel's biggest labour union is calling for a general strike beginning at 6 am. on monday, tomorrow morning, to pressure the government into reaching a deal to return israeli hostages still held by hamas in gaza. and

earlier today, israeli pm benjamin netanyahu said israel will not rest until it catches those responsible for the hostage deaths. he added whoever murders hostages does not want a deal murders hostages does not want a deal. senior hamas officials said that israel, in its refusal to sign a ceasefire agreement, was to blame. we'll bring you the latest from israel throughout the show. but first, your news headlines with will hollis . hollis. >> thanks, ben. good evening. it's 9:00. i'm will hollis in the gb newsroom. some more breaking news for you first. a woman has been charged with the murder of a six year old boy following his death in swansea . following his death in swansea. and karolina zurawski, aged 41, from swansea, will appear at magistrates court in connection with the death of alexander zurawski on monday and black mould and ant infested homes. now the labour landlord

responsible, has sacked his property agent . ilford south mp property agent. ilford south mp jaz athwal, who owns rental, a rental portfolio of 15 homes and three commercial buildings in london, said he was shocked and sickened by the conditions. to germany now, and a party on the hard right is expected to be the biggest in at least one state of the country's regional elections. alternative for germany , also known as the afd, germany, also known as the afd, is expected to win in thuringia with a third of the vote in neighbouring saxony, the party is expected to come second. that means the anti—migrant eurosceptic party will be the first on the hard right to win since the second world war. sir keir starmer has joined world leaders condemning what he's described as the horrific and senseless killing of six hostages in gaza. meanwhile, the israeli prime minister insists he won't rest until those responsible are caught. the leader of the snp has been

speaking on the final day of its conference in edinburgh. the keynote speech by scotland's first minister, ministerjohn first minister, minister john swinney, who took over from the party's former leader humza yousaf in may, highlighted getting a ceasefire in gaza as a priority. >> it was one of the first and remains a leading voice , remains a leading voice, demanding an immediate ceasefire and the return safely of all hostages in gaza. but the message from this conference be heard loud and clear the killing of innocent men, women and children must end, and it must end now . end now. >> two teenagers have been arrested over the murder of a 13 year old boy in oldbury, west midlands . police said the teens midlands. police said the teens are being questioned in connection with the fatal stabbing in lovett avenue last. earlier this week. and finally. thunderstorm warnings across a large part of the uk as the met office increases, alerts much of

england , wales and scotland are england, wales and scotland are covered by the warnings for tonight and tomorrow. forecasters say there's a risk of flooding. those are your latest gb news headlines. for now i'm will hollis and i'll be back at 10:00 for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> good evening. thanks for joining me tonight. now look, you don't need a weatherman to tell you it's raining outside . tell you it's raining outside. just like you don't need some sort of geopolitical expert to know we're fast hurtling towards a totalitarian state. soon, i predict we won't be able to even talk about illegal migration without being called racist or bigots soon. i predict genuine debate about this country's migration policy will be so censored and diluted that people just won't bother to talk about

it anymore. and soon i predict that anyone who dares raise concerns about random men arriving on britain's shores , arriving on britain's shores, unannounced and unidentified will be made to pay the price by the state and its obedient society. just look at what labour mps think about people who even mention the small boats. >> here's clive lewis how am i far right? how am i far right? >> because of some of the stuff that you're sharing. like what? for example, give me an example about you're talking about boats. you're talking about asylum seekers. yes i'm talking about something. makes me far right. got it. no gassing the jews. it's talking about things negatively , right? not about negatively, right? not about negatively. but if you talk about things which are racist, which are untrue, what's racist? disinformation victimising asylum seekers. i'm not victimising them. i'm saying they're not asylum seekers. norwich >> you're talking about small boats. you're talking about asylum seekers. well, sorry. doesit asylum seekers. well, sorry. does it feel like slowly we're being nudged into believing that even the very conversation about the small boats crisis is something mucky, that only the bold and brave dare talk about? just earlier today at a child's birthday party, a friend of my

son's actually one mum told me how their church service that morning this morning was all about condemning people who were against dinghies of migrants rocking up to britain. she told me as we snacked on crisps and ham sandwiches, that the congregation in church was ordered to embrace diversity and multiculturalism and open their arms to the world's needy. and anyone who objected to that will somehow ungodly. then she finally admitted to me that she doesn't even bother talking about immigration with friends or acquaintances anymore, because she has to be so careful about wrecking her life. and let me be clear, this person, this mother, wasn't someone who was ingrained daily in politics or news or government policy, like someone we are just a normal mum working hard to put food on the table and raise her children, she told me. and i quote, it feels like you have to work out which people you can have that kind of conversation with or not. it's constantly treading on eggshells. if i say i'm worried about illegal migration and my family's safety in britain, someone might go and report it to my employer or my child's school. then we'd be finished .

school. then we'd be finished. i'm sorry, but what a shocking indictment on the country keeping your mouth shut to save rocking the boat. we saw how well that worked during covid, and i never thought i'd see the day when people are scared to speak out against criminality because the key word here is illegal migration illegal. perhaps that's why our very own prime minister is now calling it irregular migration is the way to take effective action in relation to the vile trade that sits beneath irregular migration across europe. but as britain slowly turns into some authoritarian dystopia, it seems the germans have finally had enough of their own migration headache. because tonight, alternative for germany. the party is on track to become the first right wing party to win a regional election for the first time since the second world war. afd was founded in 2013 with an anti—migration and eurosceptic agenda, and it picked up the most votes in the eastern state of thuringia tonight. and that's according to exit polls. the

party was on course for 33.5% of the vote, compared to the 23.4% it picked up in the 2019 election. and to me, that signals a vast change in attitudes to migration in germany over the course of just a few years . so good luck, a few years. so good luck, britain. we need it. but let's get the thoughts of my panel now. political commentator chloe dobbs, former lbc political editor theo usherwood and former labour special adviser paul richards. good evening panel. hello. good evening. happy sunday. we've made it through another week. chloe, do you think i'm talking claptrap? when i say that i fear and predict that soon. and i think in a number of years not too far away, that even the idea of a conversation about illegal migration or the small boats will be met with a wall of silence and condemnation. >> i mean, i think you're absolutely right. and we need to be ringing the warning bells now before this goes any further, because i think there's the risk that everyone thinks, oh, you know, we're not iran . we're so

know, we're not iran. we're so far away from that we're never going to end up in the position where we're a totalitarian state, but we're clearly on the path towards it. and in fact, keir starmer seems to be moving far faster than i expected . i far faster than i expected. i expected a lot of scary policies to come out of his government, but i thought he would sort of ease us in over a few years. but you know, just after a few weeks in power and it seems like we're living in 1984. >> theo irregular migration. what's that about? >> so they've changed the language. actually, it wasn't keir starmer's government that changed it. it actually changed in the last days of the conservative government. they changed that terminology. ben. it wasn't it wasn't. >> oh there we go. i mean, if thatis >> oh there we go. i mean, if that is a fact and i'm sure it is because you're clued up, theo, it just goes to show the uni party in full force. is there much difference between there much difference between the tories and labour? >> well, yeah. i mean look they changed it. they changed it and obviously they changed it. they changed it for a reason. you can what's the reason. >> do you reckon. >> do you reckon. >> well the reasons i think is that they're i think there's a move certainly within the government to try and tone down the rhetoric and you can have a

counterargument to that and say we need to be much more upfront in the rhetoric. but there's i think there's a feeling that if you tone down the rhetoric, then it becomes less inflammatory and it's possible to have a more reasoned debate. what i would say is, i think it's very important that when you're deaung important that when you're dealing with the small boats crisis that we reach, we reach a point at which the numbers drop because we're talking about a vile trade in human beings here. we're talking about people risking their lives, paying criminals 2500 pounds a person to get into a boat and cross the channel to get into a boat and cross the channel, often overcrowded. and these are people who are who, who are in mortal danger when they are doing so. and it needs to stop. and we need to be upfront about the fact that it needs to stop. and i think if i were to say one thing about just the debate in general, if we can't have the debate and if pressure through legitimate means can't be put in place where it comes from opposition parties and onto a government or in the media, because we have free speech in this country. and if it can't be used through , as if it can't be used through, as i say, legitimate means to put

pressure on the government, whether it be questions in the house of commons or wherever, then, then, then it would be a, it would be a that wouldn't necessarily bring about the desired outcome of reducing the number of people crossing the engush number of people crossing the english channel. >> paul, that clip of clive lewis there, you saw it. what do you make of his assertion that even talking about the small boats or asylum seekers is somehow, you know, far right? >> well, we do have free speech in this country and we're endlessly debating . we've been endlessly debating. we've been doing, we do and we've been debating immigration and asylum for decades, you know, since enoch powell in the 60s, we've been talking about this issue . been talking about this issue. so the idea that somehow we're not allowed to talk about it is not allowed to talk about it is not true. sorry to interrupt. >> can i just pick you say we have free speech in this country, but we've just had dozens of people banged up in prison for writing social media posts. i mean, is that. >> well, free speech has limitations and always had. >> it's not free speech. >> it's not free speech. >> then you don't have limitless free speech. free speech. you can't say whatever you like about anybody you like any of the time, even on gb news, you know, we have libel laws. we

have laws that say you can't walk into a crowded theatre and shout fire! you know, there are limitations to our free speech, but we can debate an issue like immigration, as we have done all of my life freely. >> the only limitation that there should be is if you explicitly incite violence , explicitly incite violence, right? whereas we're seeing people being banged up, put behind bars because they've expressed an opinion , maybe very expressed an opinion, maybe very controversial, maybe opinion. >> it's spreading hate and spreading lies. and that should be against the law as well. it's not opinions. >> if you want to say something hateful, you know that's not very nice. >> we've just had a summer of rioting caused by people telling lies on social media. no, no . lies on social media. no, no. and so social media should not be immune from this. and so social media should not be immune from this . it's not as be immune from this. it's not as invisible as he claims. >> that's looking very short term. the reason behind the riots is because you've got so many people who feel like they have not been listened to in this country. they've there are, i think, i think what i remember and i remember speaking to lord walney, who was doing an interview with him , he's the interview with him, he's the independent adviser on political

extremism and violence and what he was saying, which i thought was very interesting, was that you had pockets where groups on the far right were using private messaging services, social to media, spread misinformation, to get gatherings in and pockets of demonstrations. >> if you want those areas. and then people from the area were latching onto it and going to those going to those, we've gone down a slightly different path, but those 100, those rumoured 100 riots on telegram that were organised were turn out to be a complete hoax. so no, no, i'm talking about i'm talking about before, i'm talking about before itake before, i'm talking about before i take your i take your point on that. i'm not disputing your point, ben, for one moment on that. what i'm saying is before in the lead up to that because of course, that wednesday evening when, when, when the, when they didn't transpire was actually the when the violence ceased. >> and actually then we had a let me ask you about this, this conversation i had with this mum at my kid's birthday party today. so we're all there, the bouncy castles out, we're eating, you know, jam roly polies and party fings know, jam roly polies and party rings or whatever. and she said to me , she said, i've been to

to me, she said, i've been to church this morning and the clergy was talking about how we should welcome small boat migrants with with open arms. it's ungodly to not question why they're coming or whether there's too many of them. and then she said , to be honest, then she said, to be honest, ben, quite frankly, and she's just a normal person. she doesn't watch the news every day. she doesn't know anything about governments, really, or policy or, you know , news policy or, you know, news channels. and she said, i just feel like i can't have that conversation anymore. and that to me is quite chilling, actually, that people are afraid to even speak up now and raise legitimate concerns about things happening to our country without being cancelled. >> she shouldn't be surprised to get the sort of love thy neighbour message from a christian church on a sunday morning. i mean, that's less surprising than perhaps you should think, but that is the bafic should think, but that is the basic essence of christianity. i don't think it's very godly, encouraging people to come to pack dinghies and cross the busiest shipping lane in the well, that doesn't sound very, no, but a lot of the a lot of the christian charities are the ones who are providing the support services for the people when they've arrived as refugees. but the bigger question was, you know , not question was, you know, not being able to debate this with her friends and neighbours, i

would just wonder what that mum wants to say out loud that she thinks that she can't. and if it's something that would be so outrageous, maybe she wants to have a little word with herself about why that would be. >> no, she wanted to say her point was, as i said, she doesn't know too much about the situation of the small boats and the government policy and why it's happening. she simply wanted to raise concerns that there's undocumented , unknown there's undocumented, unknown people coming to this country who throw their mobile phones into the water, throw their passports. we don't know who they are or where they're from. surely normal people are allowed to say, hang on a minute, something a bit fishy is going on over there. what's what's going on? we are debating it. >> we debated it through the election campaign. it was one of labour's central pledges all about stopping the boats. you know, this was all you say that. >> but i've just been a pupil of clive lewis saying you're talking about small boats. and then another clip of starmer now calling it irregular migration, as if like changing the language is going to somehow. >> well, i mean, i think theo's point is a good one, which you do need to take the heat out of this debate and words do matter in this regard. so i think we do need to have a rational, calm debate about immigration policy and refugee and asylum very quickly. >> just very quickly. look, if

clive lewis were to invite clive lewis on to this programme and you sit down with him and say, i want to do an interview with you, i'd love it. >> clive, please come on. the invitation is there. >> and if he turns around and you and you go through, you're talking about the winter fuel allowance. you're talking about labour policies on whatever it might be. and you said, right, clive, i'd like now to talk about immigration. he said, no, we're not going to do that. or i think, ben, actually, no, we're not, we're just not going to have this debate. the way you want me to have it, the way you want me to have it, the way you want to have it, then i think that'd be a problem. he's been confronted by with a camera phone outside a hall, i think, in in his constituency. and, and if you go through. look, i don't want to turn this into a sort of personal thing, but, you know, when you look at the individual involved, who this individual was, i think clive lewis didn't, you know, he spoke about the issue of small boats, but i think he was he was making a broader point in there. and he can speak for himself about the individual who was confronting him. >> yeah, it was this group called students against tyranny. they seem to be connected to turning point uk and they do all sorts of stuff. >> but, okay, i mean, it was a stunt, wasn't it? let's face it, it wasn't just a genuine bit of

discourse between two citizens. it was a stunt to get hits on social media. let's face it. yeah. >> okay. well, i think mps should still be, you know, held to account in public. i mean, i've done plenty of doorsteps in my time, and i think it's a good thing for the public to hold mps to account. no doubt. panel. thank you very much. great start. you'll be back very shortly. but coming up next, businessman and entrepreneur mike green goes head to head with former labour party adviser james matthewson, asking whether britain really needs its super wealthy. sparks are guaranteed to fly. we'll see you in

welcome back to bernalillo. tonight only on gb news now, does britain really need its highest earners? it's time for our head to head . yes. and our head to head. yes. and according to the daily telegraph's front page today, britain's top earners are already fleeing the country in fear of potential tax raids in rachel reeves autumn budget. bankers financial advisors and business chiefs are reporting a mass exodus of wealthy clients

and entrepreneurs to the likes of italy, dubai and switzerland. labour's election victory and repeated warnings of a fiscal black hole have apparently pushed britain's highest earners to get out of the country before the autumn budget is announced, with tax rises including those to capital gains tax widely expected. but as keir starmer warns that those with the broadest shoulders will be forced to carry the burden of plugging our fiscal gap. does britain really need its highest earners? let me know your thoughts by heading to gb news.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews and while you're there, vote in our poll two. but first, going head to head on this tonight our businessman and entrepreneur mike green and former labour party adviser james matthewson. good evening to you both. thank you for joining me , james. i'll start joining me, james. i'll start with you. why should people who have gambled their money risks investments on. well using money that's already been taxed, by the way, on, say , stocks, the way, on, say, stocks, shares, housing. why should the state and the government then come along and take a massive chunk of that? and if labour do indeed increase capital gains tax from 20% to 45%, why should

anyone stick around ? anyone stick around? >> that's an interesting question, isn't it? and i think it comes down to the core of our society as a whole, and how we want to run our country and it's long been acknowledged that those who have successes and, you know, i acknowledge that entrepreneurs have successes of their own merits. they've made gambles. they've taken risks that have paid off and that they've, you know, it's not an easy life and it's not an easy option. it often yields not really great results for lots of people . so those that it does people. so those that it does pay people. so those that it does pay off for, it's fantastic . but pay off for, it's fantastic. but they wouldn't be able to do so. it wouldn't be possible without the wider framework of our system as a whole, as a country. and if you're based in a country, you pay into that system. you take pride in that system. you take pride in that system and you acknowledge that this system, whilst you know you're going to pay more than people who have less than you , people who have less than you, than you do so out of pride and out of respect. and we all know that if we were to make that money and to have a huge success, that we would also do the same. and there's a sense of

pride in that and a sense of community. so i do not believe for one minute because we hear this, by the way, in every single country, we talk about the countries that are thinking about fleeing to these supposed people. those countries have exactly the same headlines and articles every time there is a threatened tax rise on capital gains or any other similar tax. so for me, i don't believe it. i don't believe that we're going to see a mass exodus. we never do. it'sjust to see a mass exodus. we never do. it's just threats and it's words. it's not actions. well, james, understandable because that sector is protecting itself from those taxes. but ultimately they do have the broadest shoulders. >> okay, mike, i'll just bring you in in just two seconds. but, james, just to say, just to add, there was a report from a private equity firm a few months back saying that britain is losing the most millionaires en masse, second only to china in the world. so i don't think you're quite right on that one. >> i know, but the thing is, ben, it's from a private equity firm, and i just do not believe it. >> well, they're the ones with the money, mike. >> you know, these are the people who are invested in that

money. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, look, it's not just rumour. it's not just speculation. i can tell you now , speculation. i can tell you now, alfie best has been driven, dnven alfie best has been driven, driven to monaco. charlie mullins to marbella. these are people who bring hundreds of millions of pounds in taxation in different ways to the uk economy. i know a friend who set up a great and very successful growing tax business in dubai, telling people how they can go there and get away with 0 or 1% tax. all of my life i've said you should pay the taxes in the country that you live in. you should be willing to support the economy that supports you for the first time in my life, i've been talking to people about changing that, about taking assets , taking businesses and assets, taking businesses and taking employees out of this country, because already the top 1% pay over 30% of the tax revenues, the top 10% pay over 60% of the tax revenues . this is 60% of the tax revenues. this is proper tall poppy syndrome cut the tallest poppies down to make the tallest poppies down to make the rest feel good. do we really not believe that if we lose

those highest taxpayers, that the lowest are going to be burdened with more tax? wake up. that's just a signpost political vote winning bs? >> if i can be really honest, james, can i can i ask you say you went into the bookies, right? and you put a tenner on the grand national at 10 to 1 and you happen to win. you won. you know, you won some money. and then i came in a few minutes after the race and i swiped 40% of it. would you be happy with that? >> i mean, that's a ridiculous analogy because you if you said to me, i'm going to take this money and i'm going to provide health care, i'm going to provide education, i'm going to provide education, i'm going to provide all of these things. >> i take i take the money from you. and i say, james, i'm going to i'm going to take my kids to nando's tonight. >> ben, you're not taking money from me. tax is about contributions. mike's welcome to leave. you know, everyone's welcome to leave. you can leave the country. you can go and live somewhere else. that's fine. you're allowed to do that. and people do do that. as he's pointed out, however, people are patriotic . is it? where's the patriotic. is it? where's the patriotic. is it? where's the patriot in you? what's the sense of pride and give me a reason.

>> give me a reason to stay. if you could say, mike, you have to pay a you could say, mike, you have to pay a bit more bear in mind, we're all the people earning over 150 grand are already paying over 150 grand are already paying 45%. i can go to , the us paying 45%. i can go to, the us on 37 on the top earners. i can go to singapore on 22. i can go to hong kong on 17%. and you know what? they're opening their arms to us. but give me a good reason to stay. our housing is to pot. our roads and rail are to pot. our roads and rail are to pot. our health is to pot. our education is raised and our politics is, is broken. why should i want to stay at the moment and the sun doesn't shine. >> the sun doesn't even shine. what's the point ? what's the point? >> goodness. honestly, gentlemen, we're talking down britain here. that's what you're doing on on on gb news tonight. you are talking down this country and you are saying that why should you stay here? because it's all to do with money and it's all to do with tax. where is your pride in being british? where is your. >> i'm happy to pay my taxes community and things that are in this country other than finances. no, we're driving

people out. look what i'd say is why don't we do exactly the opposite? why don't we become a low tax economy and attract more investment , attract more investment, attract more businesses, attract more intelligent people to this country? instead of saying, you know what, these people, these are our golden geese. they're laying us golden eggs. they're creating jobs. the entrepreneurs you talk about already account for 99.9% of all businesses, by the way, and 66% of all employment. but no, we're going to drive them away. >> last word to you. >> last word to you. >> what's going to happen ultimately, how can it not end up in the poorest paying more money? i'm not about charging the poor more. i'm about being realistic about the tax revenues that currently come into the central government. >> what you're essentially what you're essentially advocating for is that there is a limit and that you say that when, unfortunately, that limit is reached, that you can throw your toys out of the pram and say, i'm going. otherwise you do it my way, or you take the highway. now being held hostage like that, how can a country be held hostage by people saying, i'm not going to pay tax unless you

set where i want it to be? okay? the average person doesn't have the luxury of being fair and reasonable. >> james. yeah, it's about 45% is already a lot. >> we're running out of time. thank you both. fascinating debate. and james, i will just add at the end, you know, people are happy to contribute towards the nhs and, you know, the upkeep of the country. but i think people with money also accept the fact they're not going to be fleeced, especially at a time when it was revealed yesterday, 1.6 million, 5 million migrants aren't working, costing the taxpayer £8 billion a year. if the government's got a year. if the government's got a good track record of spending that tax money wisely and properly, i think there'd be a lot more welcoming to paying more tax. but there we go. thank you both for joining more tax. but there we go. thank you both forjoining us. >> thank you. yeah. >> thank you. yeah. >> thank you. good evening. thank you very much. so what do you think at home, to according reports, the wealthy are set to flee britain. does the uk really need its highest earners? beadle on ex says the burden of taxation always falls on those least able to afford it. those who can can always leave john on x, you say the highest earners tend to be the risk takers who

put everything on the line to create wealth, and in doing so, create wealth, and in doing so, create wealth, and in doing so, create wealth and employment for others. here here. i agree with you and dennis on x says this government will run this country into the ground. there we go. now your verdict is now in 91% of you agree the uk really does need its highest earners. well, 9% of you say no it doesn't. off you 9% of you say no it doesn't. off you p0p 9% of you say no it doesn't. off you pop to the uae. right up next, after the bodies of six israeli hostages murdered by hamas are identified, is now the time for israel to follow keir starmer's advice and agree immediate ceasefire? tonight's panel get stuck into that. next.

this is ben leo tonight. only on gb news. welcome back now. israel's entire economy apparently is set to strike tomorrow in a bid to encourage prime minister benjamin netanyahu to reach a deal to return hostages and agree to the terms of a gaza ceasefire. it comes as the bodies of six israeli hostages were found dead in a tunnel in gaza, and it's been revealed

that at least three of the hostages shot were due to be released pretty soon in a prisoner exchange between israel and hamas. sir keir starmer has called for an immediate ceasefire deal earlier today, describing the killings as horrific and senseless. joining me now is my panel political commentator chloe dobbs, former lbc political editor theo usherwood and former labour special adviser and columnist paul richards. chloe this is, you know, such a contentious issue, isn't it? the middle east, so much going on, but tonight, these scenes from israel, from tel aviv , other israel, from tel aviv, other cities, it seems israeli citizens now are turning their backs on netanyahu and demanding he quite frankly, gets a rocket up his backside and sorts the ceasefire deal out. >> yeah, i mean, this is a rapidly changing situation . rapidly changing situation. we'll see what happens. i think that there's a good chance that netanyahu will be toppled. i don't know who he'll be replaced by. i'm no expert on their politics. i think it is a very difficult situation. i think it's wrong to suggest that if you don't agree to a ceasefire,

it's because you hate all the hostages and you don't care. i think it's what whatever happens, whether we end up with a ceasefire or not, i think the key thing is that it's done in a way such that we at least can feel that october seventh isn't going to happen again. you know, hamas are very clear that they would repeat it again and that in their, you know, in their documents that they they don't want israel to exist, they want it off the map and the ideology there is so ingrained. so obviously there's the argument that we have to keep fighting there until all of the hamas leaders are gone. but then, i mean, you see videos of the way the children have been taught there and what the children say they're taught in schools. they indoctrinate the children from such a young age. they do exactly what isis do, where they really try and pass that ideology down generations. so it's very, very hard to extinguish, distinguish. do you know what i was watching? it's such a hard situation to i happened to come across this account on x last night on the way home, and it was all dedicated to october the 7th and videos i'd never seen before . videos i'd never seen before. >> cctv of hamas fighters

murdering israelis , all sorts of murdering israelis, all sorts of graphic stuff i'd never, never, never seen before. and really it shocked me to my core. some of the stuff i saw from that day and the argument is theo , why and the argument is theo, why should netanyahu agree a ceasefire deal until, well, primarily since they've just shot six hostages dead. >> i was speaking to a guy called steve brizzly, whose brother he's he's based in south wales and his brother is a brother in law. is in is one of the hostages that was kidnapped by hamas and i paraphrased so i want to be i want to be careful to make sure i get the gist of what steve said. but if i remember correctly, his argument was that hamas is a terrorist organisation. it will continue to do what it does , but that to do what it does, but that actually netanyahu should have found a way to have reached some sort of deal in the short term to bring the hostages home. and then hamas would, because of what it is, is inevitably going to you know, commit or try to commit some further atrocity.

and israel needs to be ready to defend that to and defend that with with strength. but actually, in the short term, there was some merit in netanyahu just saying. right, let's let's agree to something that gets the hostages home. and the real tragedy in all of this. now is we're, you know, 11 months on is that is that actually this has played out in the most horrific way to the point at which most of the hostages are confirmed dead . and hostages are confirmed dead. and it is very likely that even more have been murdered by hamas, and that actually there are very few left alive , still, still, you left alive, still, still, you know, being being held following their kidnapping on october the 7th. and it seems as if, you know, there is no impasse within the israeli political system that would allow any sort of deal , just even if it's for deal, just even if it's for a few days, to get that deal over the line. >> i think unless i misread it earlier, i think netanyahu's own defence minister tonight is calling for him to well, to go.

i guess. and the water cannons i'm hearing as well are out on the streets of tel aviv. israel's own government and the police force using water cannons to disperse protesters who are calling for netanyahu to go tonight. paul. >> well, it's a reminder that israel is a very vibrant democracy. it's the only democracy. it's the only democracy in the middle east, andifs democracy in the middle east, and it's a place where political ideas are debated out through the knesset, through the, you know, this kind of street activity on every street corner, every time i've been to israel, you know, there's a debate going on. there's a democracy being forged. and that stands in stark contrast, of course, with what's going on with hamas, who don't believe in that. and this is , believe in that. and this is, this is this is not a war about territory. it's a war about ideas. yeah. and the idea here is that this is the only democracy, and hamas wants to destroy it. >> it was interesting. chloe keir starmer , our prime keir starmer, our prime minister, he tweeted the first thing this morning about these hostages. and i was thinking, well, closer to home, i haven't seen him once mentioned the deaths at notting hill carnival.

the poor mum, whose three year old daughter saw her get knifed to death, and then the other chap, the chef who's based in dubali chap, the chef who's based in dubai, i think he's british, who also leaves behind an eight year old son. i've not heard a peep from starmer about that. >> yeah. i mean, i think that politicians are so scared to talk about notting hill carnival and to shut it down or move it to somewhere else, which clearly needs to happen . paul shaking needs to happen. paul shaking his head. i mean, if this if this kind of violence happened at any other event, it would be it would be shut down. but i think that because it's considered like a cultural event, you know, with many people of colour, they are very concerned to talk about it. >> well, what's, what's what's talk to you about chloe's comments there. >> well, they don't want to be called racist . people shut down called racist. people shut down the notting hill carnival. >> come after the carnival every year and try and close it down. and, you know, wherever you get large crowds, i'm afraid you do get trouble. and that's true of the world cup final. it's true of any kind of big event. >> do you get loads of stabbings at the world cup? you don't get

space festivals. >> there are not loads of stuff. >> there are not loads of stuff. >> do you get fatal stabbings at any world cup final? >> i mean, i couldn't believe some of the reporting on on the notting hill carnival saying, oh, it's been a largely lovely and peaceful family day. only a few stabbings. i mean, there shouldn't be any stabbings. >> what's quite interesting, just about because the metropolitan police did like a tweet, didn't they, where they they detailed a running update and there are crimes there. and i'm not for one moment condoning the crimes being committed or trying to excuse them will pass. but what i do think was quite interesting. and the metropolitan police, i don't think, actually have taken credit for this is they seem to have used the notting hill carnival from what i've looked at. and if you look at just the sheer number of seizures as an active operation to go and actually proactively find whether it be offensive weapons or drugs or whatever it might be, and actually seize them off people and actually do some proper policing, and i think actually fair play to the met on this . okay. yeah. the crimes this. okay. yeah. the crimes have been committed and i'm not trying to for one moment distract from that. but actually, if you look at the detail within those updates provided on on x by the

metropolitan police, it does seem that sir mark rowley has got his officers in gear and told them actually go into this, you know, gathering of millions of people in west london and actually use it as an opportunity to find, to find the things that we wouldn't otherwise be able to find. >> i think i recall the tweet from the met, they said, because there had been a stabbing or there had been a stabbing or there had been a stabbing or there had been a knife seized, i can't remember. they were able to issue some sort of order, which allowed them basically to do stop and search section without a section 60. >> but correct me if i apologise. yeah, i've got that wrong. >> they could basically do stop and search without permission, which really paul, we should be doing that anyway . do you not doing that anyway. do you not think? >> well, there's a different argument, isn't there, about stop and search and how it is used. and we know it has sometimes been used disproportionately on certain communities. but the point is the carnival is a great thing. yes. it's, you know, in the wrong place in the sense that these are crowded streets, but thatis these are crowded streets, but that is the history of it. we've had a long history in this country of street festivals and carnivals and people getting together , and there's no way it together, and there's no way it should be moved to hyde park or some nonsense like that. how many, how many belongs in notting hill? >> how many deaths is too many?

too many? >> well, like i say, these terrible things are happening in large gatherings all the time, all over the place. it's not unique to notting hill. >> okey doke. great stuff. well, you'll be joining me back in the next hour or so. all the newspapers. but up next, with prince harry reportedly plotting a return from his self—imposed exile to the us and also lining up a future career as a life coach. yes, you heard that right. there's plenty for leading royal biographer angela levin to get her journalistic teeth stuck into. she's live in the studio next.

welcome back to ben leo. tonight only on welcome back to ben leo. tonight only on gb news. and of course, top gb news. and of course, top royal author angela levin joins royal author angela levin joins me now for her reaction to that me now for her reaction to that bombshell mail on sunday story bombshell mail on sunday story today that prince harry is today that prince harry is reportedly plotting a move back reportedly plotting a move back to the uk. angela levin, good to the uk. angela levin, good evening. hello i'm sinking in my evening. hello i'm sinking in my chair as i speak to you. chair as i speak to you. apologies. these these chairs apologies. these these chairs are quite problematic. look, are quite problematic. look, listen. massive story . i listen. massive story . i are quite problematic. look, listen. massive story. i saw this last night in the paper are quite problematic. look, listen. massive story. i saw this last night in the paper review on my show, and i review on my show, and i

thought, yes, you know, massive thought, yes, you know, massive showbiz royal scoop. finally, something to kind of mimic the megxit revelations years ago. not quite there, but pretty big. still. >> i think it's even worse actually, because i think this is cunning and i think he's going to all these friends of his who he was at school with, plus one aide only to ask him to try and get him back within the royal family. >> now, how old is he ? he's 40. >> now, how old is he? he's 40. in a couple of weeks. how does he . he's not a baby. if he wants he. he's not a baby. if he wants to go to speak to his father and understands that he's very busy and he has a lot of cancer problems to get sorted out, he can say, look , i'm really sorry. can say, look, i'm really sorry. can we start somewhere? i'm sorry. i'm sorry, i'm sorry. but he doesn't want to say he's sorry. he wants to get money and he wants to get apologies, especially from william , about especially from william, about how they allegedly treated

meghan . now, the thing is, is meghan. now, the thing is, is this just harry who wants to come or is it meghan? i can assure you, meghan doesn't want to come because she hates the this country. and she's sort of got her own life now. so how is that going to work? the idea is he does six months here and six months in in america . now, the months in in america. now, the queen, who he adored, she was very clear that that

queen, who he adored, she was very clear that tha know, if he and also you, you know, if he does, he'll use what he says he sees in the royal family and what he hears for getting money. this is the way he's the half and half, at tv or journalists. >> but the sussex squad, angela would say. harry dismisses his friends. he misses his home, he misses his military ties. you know, he just wants to come back home. well, can we not just welcome him back with open arms? >> who did that? he doesn't want to be here. he's actually one of the things he's really keen of. and he's going back for the third time to the court is to get this top class protection. right. | get this top class protection. right. i think this is another way of getting that, because if he comes here, he wants to have that. and that is only for people who are working very hard at the top. the king and queen and the heirs to the throne. so it's all nonsense. it's all a, it's all nonsense. it's all a, it's all nonsense. it's all a, it's a very good pr. >> okay. angela tell me about this, this other stunning

revelation today that prince harry is becoming a life coach. i mean, to me, it sounds like getting relationship advice from a five time divorcee, but, yeah, that's what's he up to. >> well , he's that's what's he up to. >> well, he's worked that's what's he up to. >> well , he's worked with >> well, he's worked with betterup, which is a mental health charity, and he's worked that up for a bit and got some money out of that. nearly £1 million. and he's been offered to have his own online university. so he will be in charge of this for people. he's got no qualifications . he got got no qualifications. he got a d in a—level geography and a b in art. and also he's not recovered himself. if you've seen him in colombia . he looked seen him in colombia. he looked dreadful. he looked as if he wasn't actually there. he looked miserable and unhappy and very, very damaged . so you can't have very damaged. so you can't have somebody who hasn't actually got over their old problems, i think, to teaching other people . think, to teaching other people. >> good point. but again, playing devil's advocate , some playing devil's advocate, some would say, oh, harry's been through the tragic death of his mother. he's gone through family

rifts, he's gone through a very unique experience as a royal and moving abroad. i mean, some would say that he has got a decent amount of life experience, even so, that he , experience, even so, that he, you know, hasn't really dealt with his own issues. >> exactly . that he's got lots >> exactly. that he's got lots of experience, but he hasn't deau of experience, but he hasn't dealt with it yet. so actually you can't pass that on to people if you want to teach people and let them know what's going on. you have to be positive and upbeat. it's no good saying the last four years i've been, you know, missing this, that and the other and i can't get over it. and i cry at night. it's not going to help them, is it? >> it's kind of like that old phrase, you can't. what is it? you need to love yourself before you learn to, or learn to love yourself before you can love other people. exactly. yeah >> spot on. >> spot on. >> what's this about, lady louise? this is lovely lady louise? this is lovely lady louise windsor, the daughter of the duke and duchess of edinburgh. >> she wants to go into the army now. she loves it. she's at college at the moment and she's a royal cadet. and she likes it so much that she wants to go into the army and work for the

king and country. wow, how old is she? lady louise 20. >> would she be the first female royal since the queen? >> she'd be the since the queen. the queen went in just before the end of , of the war. the end of, of the war. >> the queen would approve of this. she'd probably be delighted. >> she'd be delighted. she'd be she adored her. anyway, they were very close. they she often went to her with to church, and she would go around and see her most saturdays. and they were very close . and the duke of very close. and the duke of edinburgh loved her as well. and she, of course, used to do all this carriage driving, which he adored. >> so she's the daughter to prince edward, is that right? havei prince edward, is that right? have i got my. >> yes, yes, yes. that's right. okay. is a is a duke and duchess now? that's the youngest of her four children. and she is the youngest and she's the daughter to him. right. >> got it. and apparently she's fallen in love with the role. yes, with military life. >> yes. she's fallen in love with it. and she wants to do it. and i think that's amazing

because it's so different from any of the other royals. and she loves horses. and she'll probably do something with a horse. she won't be out on the front of the first line, like harry wanted to do when he went away for war. she won't be piloting apaches in afghanistan or ukraine. no, nothing like that. no, but i think it's a lovely thing to do. to continue. what the queen did as a female way back in the second world war. >> yeah, i think it's great. a really nice, upbeat royal story. >> for once i add that to the end. >> very, very nice look, angela, it was my birthday on wednesday. you just very sweetly gave me a card. bless you. bless your heart. but it's also prince harry's birthday, as you mentioned. in what date is it? it's a week or two. >> yes. >> yes. >> what's meghan doing? apparently she's organising some sort of big birthday bash. have you heard about this? no, i haven't, but i think that any birthday bash would be really about meghan, wouldn't it? >> it wouldn't be about harry. i think these things are very difficult and we don't know if he's back yet and what it will be. >> i'm being told by the voice in my head that apparently it's a bash organised by meghan's celebrity a—list hollywood pals,

which kind of sounds like the life he he wants to escape from if the mail on sunday is to be. >> he doesn't like that sort of thing. he absolutely doesn't. he doesn't want to be a celebrity, it's never been his aim. and so meghan's going to make him a big party. but i think he, you know, if you're 40, but a lot of people think that's a very important part of your life. and by that time you should know really where you want to go. and maybe he's just suddenly woken up to where he wants to go, and that's back here and maybe leave her in america. >> america . yeah. amazing. >> america. yeah. amazing. fascinating. i know lots of our viewers are sort of hit and miss with harry and meghan. i think . with harry and meghan. i think. i think they they love to hate them half the time. yes but we should remember that harry has done a lot for the country before he met meghan, he served in the military and so on. so there is, you know, a special, i think when he was in colombia and he saw what they were doing, it was so awful that it reminded him that this is not the sort of

life he really wanted. >> he remembered when he behaved properly. yeah. but actually to see what was going on and it wasn't right, correctly done . wasn't right, correctly done. yeah. and i think that's why he looked so miserable. >> okay. angela levin, thank you so much forjoining me. marks back next week. so unfortunately i won't be here. but thank you for the last couple of weeks. really loved having you company, lots to come in the next hour, including warnings that the government is stopping testing kids in classrooms on times tables to avoid triggering anxiety. i think they've lost their minds. this is ben leo tonight. only on gb news. back in a tick. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello there. welcome to our latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. it stays unsettled over the next 24 hours or so. the risk of heavy showers and thunderstorms staying rather cloudy and particularly humid as well. low pressure in charge of

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gb news. always. >> it's 10:00 always. >> it's10:00 pm. i'm ben leo. tonight, militant teaching unions are demanding schools stop testing children on their times , tables and grammar. do times, tables and grammar. do you have faith in british education anymore? and we're banging up social media users and releasing serious criminals early. but next we could be sending prisoners to get this. estonia ann widdecombe joins me shortly on that. and some of

them do eventually realise it, thank god. >> is that that is actually a path to misery. >> whoops. donald trump's running mate in hot water again for comments over choosing women. women choosing careers rather over their children and elsewhere in north america. look what's been happening in canada. >> the 25% tariffs we just brought in on chinese steel to help you out. that's going to keep my job, guy. what about the what about the 40% taxes i'm paying what about the 40% taxes i'm paying ? paying? >> i'm joined by political commentator chloe dobbs , former commentator chloe dobbs, former lbc political editor theo usherwood, and the former labour special adviser paul richards . special adviser paul richards. and somebody's mad auntie is on the loose. >> no such thing as a free press anymore . anymore. >> schools are becoming government indoctrination camps .

next. >> good evening. it's10:00. i'm will hollis in the gb news newsroom. protests in israel first, as thousands of people in tel aviv and jerusalem fill the streets after the killing of six hostages in gaza . protesters hostages in gaza. protesters blocked roads while police used water cannons to disperse crowds. idf soldiers recovered the bodies of the hostages, who israel says were killed. moments before troops reached them. the hostages families forum, which represents relatives of those held in gaza, blamed the deaths on prime minister netanyahu's failure to secure a deal with hamas back in the uk. the leader of the snp has been speaking on the final day of the party's conference in edinburgh. the keynote speech by scotland's first minister john swinney , who first minister john swinney, who took over the party from humza yousaf in may, highlighted

getting a ceasefire in gaza as a priority. >> it was one of the first and remains a leading voice , remains a leading voice, demanding an immediate ceasefire and the return safely of all hostages in gaza. but the message from this conference be heard loud and clear the killing of innocent men, women and children must end, and it must end now . end now. >> to germany now. and a party on the political right is expected to be the biggest in at least one state of the country's regional elections. alternative for germany, also known as the afd , is expected to win in afd, is expected to win in thuringia with a third of the vote in neighbouring saxony. the party is expected to come second. that means the anti—migrant eurosceptic party will be the first to win on the first party on the right to win since the second world war.

next, black mould and ant infested homes. now the labour landlord responsible, has sacked his property agent. ilford south mp jaz atwell, who owns a rental portfolio of 15 homes and three commercial buildings in london, said he was shocked and sickened by the conditions. two teenagers have been arrested over the murder of a 13 year old boy in oldbury , west midlands. police oldbury, west midlands. police said the teens are being questioned in connection with the fatal stabbing in lovett avenue earlier this week. and finally, thunderstorm warnings across a large part of the uk as the met office increases alerts much of england, wales and scotland are covered by the warnings for tonight and for tomorrow. forecasters say there's a risk of flooding. those are the latest gb news headlines. i'll be back at 11 pm. for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone. >> sign up to news alerts by

scanning the qr code or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> good evening. before i start this next segment, i have to read you a very funny comment on gbnews.com/yoursay from trevor, who , referring to keir starmers who, referring to keir starmers description of illegal migration as irregular migration. trevor, you have said , is shoplifting you have said, is shoplifting now irregular shopping? it tickled me a bit in the break, so thank you for that. anyway, good evening to you. it was revealed today that teaching unions want kids to stop learning their times, tables and proper grammar at school. learning their times, tables and proper grammar at school . and in proper grammar at school. and in my book, that very idea is proof that our children are probably better off not going to school at all. and there's a reason home schooling rates are exploding. over recent years , exploding. over recent years, i've started calling schools government indoctrination camps precisely for nonsense like this. unions who are now of course, all powerful in our new socialist britain, say testing year for children on their times

tables is sparking pupil anxiety and we should stop doing it. they also want to simplify year six sats tests. that's the exams pupils take at the end of primary school in reading, writing and maths to cut out the most difficult grammar questions. and i can tell you now that most adults don't even know the difference between there, there and there and not testing children on grammar would be throwing in the towel completely . throwing in the towel completely. but more chillingly, claptrap ideas like this, which have been dropped on the desk of education secretary bridget phillipson and that she's now actively looking at, is creating a generation of even bigger snowflake adults who couldn't even spell the word backbone, let alone brandish one. no surprise, then, that the number of children in england being homeschooled has increased by more than 10,000 people. last autumn, stats published by the department for education showed 92,000 children were recorded as being home schooled on one day last term, and that was compared with 80,900 at the same point in autumn 2022. q the education

secretary secretary today, then, who warns that parents who allow their children to regularly skip school are significantly denting their future earning potential ? their future earning potential? well, do you know what? i'd argue that parents who regularly allow their kids to skip school for, i don't know, ventures abroad, exploring the world, sportsy endeavours or even just time with ever absent parents will be far more beneficial to them than sitting in a classroom being mollycoddled by the state. and just like with a lot of other public institutions, trust in teachers and our education system now is rapidly falling. so instead of blaming parents, maybe the government should ask itself why parents don't want their children in schools anymore. but let's get the thoughts of my panel tonight. political commentator chloe dobbs , former lbc political dobbs, former lbc political editor theo usherwood and former labour special adviser and columnist paul richards. welcome back panel. chloe dobbs seven times 749. yes, theo, ten times 440. that's an easy one. look,

this is an absurd proposal from the teaching unions, is it not? kids dropping timetables, grammar. >> i mean, there is so much wrong with our education system. and to think that the cure is getting rid of times tables test is absolutely ridiculous. i mean to say that the reason why they want to get rid of them is because people get anxious about doing tests. well, the way that you get rid of anxiety around doing tests is to do them more often. i mean, the secondary school that i went to , you only school that i went to, you only did mocks like in february before your gcses , and loads of before your gcses, and loads of the kids were really nervous in their actual exams and that has a huge impact on your performance. but then the sixth form i went to turned out all of the kids there had full proper gcse mocks. every single summer from year seven and they were chill as anything when it came to their gcse exams, and that's why that school performed super well. so this is just it's just bonkers and it's, you know, the world's just gone soft. we're so worried about mental health that we can't even put kids through the stress of doing a times tables test. >> paul , this this idea has been >> paul, this this idea has been dropped on the desk of bridget phillipson, the education secretary. do you think she's going to seriously consider it?

>> well, i have no idea. but i do know that you do need kids who can do basic maths and who can spell and use sentences . but can spell and use sentences. but you also know kids need kids who are rounded human beings who know how to form relationships, who have emotional intelligence, who have emotional intelligence, who know something about the world, who can think critically. and not every kid can pass exams . and not every kid can pass exams. and not every kid can pass exams. and that's not what it should just be about. and that's not what it should just be about . and i think just be about. and i think things like times, tables. i mean, i remember those books of algorithms and things you used to be given. you don't need that anymore in quite the same way. you know the drill with the maths teachers. that said, well, you won't have a calculator with you, you know, every day. oh yes, i do. and now we do, you know, so the, the way we use maths is going to change and maybe times tables is something we don't really need to know in the same way. on the other hand, being able to spell yes we do. but surely theo times tables is just simple arithmetic. >> if you're in a shop and you're working out whether you can afford something or whether you're working out, you can afford your mortgage payments after labours, you know, whacked up or the bank of england has whacked up interest rates, surely that is a basic, element

of school that you need. i think it also goes beyond that, ben, because i think it's also not necessarily teaching children the timetable itself, but also teaching children the ability to learn something by rote. >> and that actually is quite an important skill to be able to memorise some, you know, a lot of information and be able to store that information and then be able to produce that information when you're asked to recall it at speed. and i think there's a skill set there that goes beyond the timetable itself. the one thing i'd say is that time i was at school, what, 30, 35 years ago doing this, that tells you how old i am. and i was learning my times tables then and anxiety amongst my peers, myself and my peers was actually was relatively low. it certainly wasn't as high as it is around, which is anxious. >> when he was about to ask me a times table , he left me out, times table, he left me out, thank heavens, and i was just worried. then i was going to get caught out. you know, there is anxiety. >> times tables have been, you know, they're the constant with this and it's the anxiety that's gone up. and i don't see how if we had, you know, 35 years ago, we had, you know, 35 years ago, we had, you know, 35 years ago, we had children with much lower anxiety when it came to tests, but we still had times tables that we're now going to fast forward. we've got children with

high anxiety, and you're suddenly going to take times tables out of the equation, excuse the pun, and end up in a situation and end up in a situation and end up in a situation where you're going to improve anxiety. i'm not i'm not quite seeing it. i've got to say. >> i'm not saying it doesn't exist. i'm sure it does. with social media and stuff, which wasn't around in my day, but i never! wasn't around in my day, but i never i was never anxious as a kid, and i don't remember any of my peers at school ever having problems with anxiety. paul, nine times six. >> i have no idea. but i do know that i >> i have no idea. but i do know that! do >> i have no idea. but i do know that i do know that kids did have anxiety, but they didn't have anxiety, but they didn't have the lexicon. and i think it's good that people can talk about mental health in a different way now than perhaps when we were at school , because when we were at school, because all those problems were there, but people just didn't articulate them. so there is something around how kids should be able to talk about their feelings in that. >> that's good. i just don't think the solution is to take away the tests altogether. i mean , no, i, i really, really mean, no, i, i really, really would love to see our education system become far more vocational. i think it would make us much more productive as a country, but also it would give kids, the kids who are smart, but not in the academic sense, the chance to feel that they've got more self esteem. because i saw so many kids in school who clearly had some

amazing talents, but not in the academic sense, and that really brought them down because they felt like their worth was measured by how many stars that they had. i think i teach maths and i see plenty of kids at gcse and i see plenty of kids at gcse and at gcse level who really do not need to be learning quadratics. they're never going to use it in their life. they hate it. they're not good at maths and i think they only really need to study maths until age 12. if they're not a mathematical genius and wants to carry it on, it's terrible. i think maths and english get all that right until age 12 and then bnngin that right until age 12 and then bring in more vocational skills. fair enough . fair enough. >> the other thing i'd say is that i'm not sure that ministers should be listening to trade unions when it comes to the actual curriculum itself. and the reason i say that is the trade unions are there to represent teachers. they're not there to represent the pupils. and i know the retort will come actually. well, it's the teachers who are the experts in education, but much rather i think actually the smarter thing to do would be to look for the government to figure out where are like the best, the most, outperforming 20 schools, 20 state schools in the country. and i'm not talking about the best, the highest achieving

schools. i'm talking about the schools. i'm talking about the schools which are in areas of the country which where they shouldn't be doing well. all the statistics when it comes to whether it's deprivation or socioeconomic groups, they shouldn't be doing well. but nonetheless, the headteachers and the and the and the directors of studies are getting extraordinary results. and i think it would be much more sensible for bridget phillipson and keir starmer to get those 20 best headteachers into a room and start plugging them for ideas rather than listening to perhaps what the trade unions. well, the unions, obviously they've come up with ideas. i don't doubt that they're valid, but we don't know where they're drawing those ideas from. and i think the keir starmer and bridget phillipson need to be going after excellence with this. well, the unions seem to run things in the early days of this labour government. >> don't they? but it's an interesting conversation, especially homeschooling. the rise in homeschooling. i'm having a bit of a not a row with my wife, but a discussion about basically. long story short, my sweetheart boy jude, he's very good at tennis. he's for, he plays 3 or 4 times a week. i want him to have the only time slot he can have an extra lesson in the week is on a school day, and i suggested to my wife ,

and i suggested to my wife, let's just not send him to school for that morning. just for the morning . just for an for the morning. just for an hour or two, she said. no way. absolutely no. what? but my point is, you know, if he's got a chance of being very good at tennis, what's a morning off primary school going to do for him? >> but, anyway, i would be on i mean, homeschooling is becoming much more attractive. but the thing and i think i would probably the way the education system is at the moment, unless it changes drastically. by the time i think about having kids, i would only have them if i could homeschool them. but most people don't have that opportunity because very few people have enough money for one person to stay at home. >> we tried it during covid, didn't we, chloe? it was not a happy experience for many parents. i can tell you it was not great. >> okay, panel, thank you very much. you'll be back very shortly. but up next is sending british inmates to estonian prisons and inspired solutions to overcrowding or a disaster waiting to happen. and is jd vance right to say that career women choose a path to misery? former prisons minister ann widdecombe gives her unrivalled analysis. analysis right after this break. this is ben

welcome back to ben leo. tonight only on gb news. now, in the wake of weeks of disorder on our streets and the notting hill carnival, of course in london, the ministry of justice said last week that male prisoners across england and wales had fewer than 100 spaces left. so while that specific capacity issue has now passed, it appears that our jails are still under a huge amount of strain reports suggest that british prisoners could now be housed in housed rather in estonian prisons . rather in estonian prisons. that's as the number of prisoners in england and wales hit a record high, with more than 88,000 in the cells. estonia's minister of justice said that the country had prison cells available to rent out to nato allies, including us, but is this really the answer to our justice woes? sending our criminals abroad? joining me now is reform uk spokesperson and former minister of state for pfisons former minister of state for prisons ann widdecombe . and prisons ann widdecombe. and lovely to see you. thank you for joining me for yet another evening. what do you make of

this idea shipping off our criminals and dungeons to estonia? >> well, i mean, the real thing that comes out of all of this is that comes out of all of this is that we just don't seem able to supply enough prison places. we've known for a long time that we were running out of space. nothing new, nothing that came up this week or last week. it's been with us for a very long time, and nothing has been done about it. neither the tory government nor this labour government nor this labour government have actually done anything. shipping people to off estonia. all well and good. i'd rather they were in jail somewhere than not in jail anywhere. but why spend money paying anywhere. but why spend money paying estonia to house prisoners instead of getting on with it and building the prison places ourselves? >> and call me naive . why >> and call me naive. why haven't we just built more prisons? what's been the problem with building prisons? >> well, i don't know. but what i do know is i've said this before on this programme. i went through exactly this when i was prisons minister. we had a huge surge in the prison population, and i didn't let people out or ask the judges not to send them

to prison. and i didn't send them off to estonia or anywhere else for that matter. i concentrated on getting emergency accommodation, so we brought in a prison ship for example. i got a portacabins from norwegian oil rigs, put them down in the lowest security prisons i was. but the general election got in the way, proposing to take over a disused houday proposing to take over a disused holiday camp. if you think about it, you've got all the accommodation, all you need to secure perimeter. you take away the swimming pool and the cinema, of course, you know, but you've got it there and they don't seem to have that sort of imagination . to have that sort of imagination. >> well, their holiday camps anyway, aren't they? prisons most of the time. you always see these stories in the tabloids of lags playing video games on their mobiles. >> no, they're really not, anybody who thinks prison is a houday anybody who thinks prison is a holiday camp, i urgently, say to them, go and see a prison and then come back and tell me it's a holiday camp. i mean, they are pretty ghastly places. >> okay. yeah. i'd rather not experience prison for myself. i

remember, and correct me if i'm wrong. you doing a documentary? some years back about. was it in norway? was it the world's the world's, most relaxed prison? >> yeah . nice luxurious prison. >> yeah. nice luxurious prison. it was called. and it was, it was very, very like a hotel. now the interesting thing is that it made a lot of claims in terms of low recidivism, but the norwegian government didn't see fit to build another one on the same line. so you've got to ask yourself , if it really same line. so you've got to ask yourself, if it really was same line. so you've got to ask yourself , if it really was such yourself, if it really was such a success, why didn't norway carry on and build more of the same , same, >> just lastly, on prisons, what's reform's policy on prisons? i mean, are you just hoping to build more if and when you get into power? >> we will supply the places which the courts demand. i mean, there is a very clear division of responsibilities. it is for the courts to say who goes to prison and who doesn't. that's for the courts. it's for the government to supply the places. to meet the demands of the courts. and that is what reform will do. and if that means

building more prisons , yes, of building more prisons, yes, of course we will build more prisons. but we're also taking emergency measures. >> yeah. i mean, unfortunately , >> yeah. i mean, unfortunately, i reported on this program last week about convicted child rapists being let free to walk the streets of britain because direct quote from the judges, he said, in any other time you'd be going to prison. but there's no space. so off you trot, rather dismal situation , if you ask me. dismal situation, if you ask me. now, anne, let me ask you about the well , schooling. we've just the well, schooling. we've just spoken about it briefly in the conversation before you joined us. but bridget phillipson, the education secretary, she's warned that parents are significantly damaging their children's future and their earning potentials by allowing them to regularly skip school. i'm pretty relaxed on this as a parent, i was just mentioning that i'd rather my boy go and practice sport for one day a week instead of going to school. do you think i'm wrong in doing that? >> yes i do, i think your boy should go and do some sport after school, what i would say is, you know, if we're to make children go to school as we always have done, and which is quite correct, we should at least make sure that the education is rigorous and

vigorous and will stand them in good stead. and, you know , good stead. and, you know, saying they mustn't do spelling or mathematical tests is ridiculous. >> what about, truancy to kind of aid cheaper holidays, for example? >> because, i mean, if you put a cheap holiday before your child's education that says all it needs to say about your priorities as a parent. yeah. >> okay . got it. i've been told, >> okay. got it. i've been told, and finally, donald trump's vice presidential pick, j.d. vance, has said that women choose a path to misery, quote unquote. if they prioritise their careers over having children . vance's over having children. vance's comments was made in a podcast interview in september 2021, and they've been unearthed recently, including on the front page of the observer today. and it comes, of course, as vance labelled democratic presidential candidate kamala harris a childless cat lady. what do you make of those comments? >> well, as a childless cat lady, first of all, the crucial thing is this i don't think it's a question of misery if you

choose a career. but what happens with an awful lot of women is that they would actually like to be full time mothers when their children are young, or they would certainly like to at least be part time mothers. when the children are young and they feel economically obuged young and they feel economically obliged to go out and work. and i think that is a question of misery. but i also think it's very , very bad from the state's very, very bad from the state's point of view , that we take point of view, that we take taxes from people trying to live on one income, to fund the career aspirations of those who want to live on two. and i think thatis want to live on two. and i think that is wrong. >> i can't remember who it was, but somebody tweeted yesterday and i saw it and thought, yeah, i support that. they said, if you have three or more children, you have three or more children, you should be exempt from income tax , tax, >> nice thought, but perhaps not a good idea because you suddenly find everybody was having three or more children, which i don't know. that would be very sensible. but i think the serious point to be made in all of this is that it is quite wrong that when you've got a

family where there is one wage earner, that their taxes are taken to fund families where there are two wage earners by choice ? choice? >> yeah, it's that idea of, removing income tax. if you have more children, would, i guess, solve the plunging birthrate problem . but yeah, a very problem. but yeah, a very complicated create a lot more problems, i can tell you. yeah, yeah. all right. ann widdecombe , yeah. all right. ann widdecombe, thank you for joining yeah. all right. ann widdecombe, thank you forjoining me. thank you for joining me. pleasure as always. see you soon. very good. enjoyed that. right up next, i'll bring you the very first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages, which are landing thick and fast on my desk as we speak. and that's before tonight's panel offer their expert take on the will be waking up to tomorrow. this is ben

ben leo tonight only on gb news. the first newspapers have dropped on my desk and we'll start with the daily mail. labouris start with the daily mail. labour is scaring off big

business. a sudden collapse in confidence over uk economy. survey of bosses reveals . as tax survey of bosses reveals. as tax rises and workplace reform loom. yeah, the four day working week may have something to do with that. moving on to the daily telegraph, one word ofsted ratings scraps the government's immediate overhaul, ratings scraps the government's immediate overhaul , throws immediate overhaul, throws reports into limbo after union pressure. so if you're not familiar, schools and nurseries and so on, they have a rating of either good, outstanding, poor or needs improvement. something like that. but apparently that's going to be scrapped. also james cleverly, the tory leadership contender, said he will end stamp duty. nice idea, but, yeah, don't think that will happen for a while. daily mirror says race, hate surge in schools, calls for action after 25% rise in kids sent home for racist behaviour. that's almost 60 children a day, apparently suspended from school for racism last year , a nice picture of last year, a nice picture of davina mccall, my new dating series brought me to tears. love it. love you . davina. the it. love you. davina. the independent eyewitnesses behind the enemy lines with zelenskyy forces a special dispatch from

the front line in ukraine. the metro. great big u—turn on schools again. that ofsted story. scrapping the grading. and that comes in the wake, actually of the death of headteacher ruth perry , whose headteacher ruth perry, whose school was to be downgraded as as inadequate. and i believe as far as i remember, she unfortunately took her own life shortly after that and the daily express, how ludicrous it says labour axed winter fuel help to stop run on the pound. labour has been derided for a desperate attempt to defend axing winter fuel payments by insisting it would help prevent a run on the pound.the would help prevent a run on the pound. the claims were that , pound. the claims were that, yeah, that the pound would collapse if they didn't do it. i don't really believe it, to be honest. don't believe it. i'm joined back by my panel now. chloe. theo and. paul, i was about to call you james. sorry. paul richards. right? should we start with, what takes your fancy? what about the labour conference? the big business

confidence. labour's scaring off big businesses. sudden collapse in confidence over the uk economy are not only are they scaring off high net contributors to the economy. chloe dobbs, they are scaring off big business. >> yeah, i think that this is understandable given that labour very, very quickly have started u—turning on things that they said before the election. i mean, they made it out that they're going to fix all the country's problems. they're not going to raise your taxes, they're not going to cut winter fuel allowance. and very, very quickly they started u—turning on things . so i think that they on things. so i think that they are making themselves known as a government that cannot be trusted. so no wonder they're scaring off big business. and they're saying we need to restore the foundations of our economy. as keir starmer had on his. it's not a very good slogan where he was standing in the garden giving his speech , and he garden giving his speech, and he thinks that the way to do that is raising taxes in the budget that they say will be painful. but we've had i think it's 9500 millionaires leave the country in one year, which that's just second to china, the number of

millionaires leaving in one yeah millionaires leaving in one year. we're just going to scare off more and more people. you've got loads of people paying over 50% tax, basically, and the country's not working. they don't feel the streets are safe. they're not getting any for value money. so they're all just off to other countries . off to other countries. >> i'm, i'm laughing because paul paul's head shakes and sort of eyebrow raises. you haven't seen it on off camera, but every time chloe speaks, i get a headshake from paul shuddering . headshake from paul shuddering. >> i'm doing well. look, we're it's a labour government committed to get the fastest growth rate in the g7. that's going to involve an awful lot of investment . it's going to investment. it's going to involve an awful lot of opportunities for business, particularly green businesses. there's going to be huge investment in these jobs and apprenticeships and businesses success, including small and medium enterprises. and i don't know where this story is coming from in the daily mail, but i mean , what is the source for mean, what is the source for this sudden collapse? >> it's a load of clobbers. >> it's a load of clobbers. >> this survey. it's nonsense. i think people are seeing britain is open for business. oh, labour's economic plans are going to be for good business. >> can i politely say labour

have inherited a raft of economic gifts. so the last six months. >> gifts. >> gifts. >> economic gifts. yeah, right . >> economic gifts. yeah, right. the last six months of gdp figures were the best in seven years. they vastly outperformed germany. anyone else on the continent? labour have come into power with interest rates going down. in turn, mortgage payments going down. winter fuel bills were going down before appears. miliband cocked it up , but they miliband cocked it up, but they have had a raft of economic gifts which they now seem to be doing their to , best spiff up doing their to, best spiff up the wall as boris johnson would say. >> well, i think the underlying fundamentals of the economy are pretty dire. and there's this enormous black hole. let's not forget that it wasn't being revealed before the election. we knew things were dire, but not this bad. it does raise the question of why sunak had the election when he did, by the way, because he could have then capitalised on some of the headunes capitalised on some of the headlines over the last three months. historians will have to debate that particular one, but i don't think it's a golden economic inheritance. i think there's some pretty big problems with the economy, which is why the sort of rhetoric coming out of labour about, you know,

things can get worse before they can get better, i think is the right approach. >> i think there are two there are two parts to this front page on the daily mail. firstly, there's the workers rights package that we don't actually know what's going to be in there, but given what was trailed in that election campaign, particularly around day one rights, when it comes to unfair dismissal, sick pay, parental leave, and of course, now this bonus that's going to be on employers to find a reason why they shouldn't provide an applicant for four day for a four day working week. i think there's there is going to be pressure on businesses that they will not necessarily like. that's not to say it won't work, because i think in in many cases, i think particularly around a four day working week, i think that's probably actually quite a good idea. but nevertheless, there will be some opposition amongst business leaders when it comes to that. and then secondly, of course, we're looking at the budget on october the 30th. and of course, keir starmer has ruled out any rise in vat , income tax or

rise in vat, income tax or national insurance contributions. >> it's going to be capital gains tax, isn't it. >> but there's yeah they're potentially going to be some other. there are going to be some tax rises that may well hit big business. so there is still some you know if businesses are feeling jittery then it is perhaps understandable . perhaps understandable. >> i honestly this this mooted idea which probably will happen of hiking capital gains tax from 20% on the top rate to 45% is outrageous. i mean, for me, it's a legalised mafia coming along and saying thank you for your endeavour and your intelligence and your risk of using money that's already been taxed . we're that's already been taxed. we're going to take nearly half of that. i really think it's outrageous. i think it's an abominable. >> save your outrage till the budget. you don't even know what's in the budget. >> of course it will be that it'll be an inheritance tax and it'll be an inheritance tax and it will be capital gains tax, because we know labour is the party of, envy and jealousy and aspiration. nation is no longer. paul aspiration. nation is no longer. paul, do you agree with that? >> well, funnily enough, no, i don't i think that the budget will be hard .

don't i think that the budget will be hard. i think it will be tough because of the economic legacy i described earlier. but i think there are things in there that people can get behind. and, you know, we all want a safer, better country. so more police, for example , people more police, for example, people will welcome. >> okay, right. whoever's to blame for this £20 billion black hole. right. why don't you start by not giving £11 billion in climate aid? that's half of it. >> well, because we would all well, because we would all end up drowning in our own >> well, because we would all end up drowning in our own filth, won't we, if we don't do filth, won't we, if we don't do something about the climate? i something about the climate? i think we already are. think we already are. >> with the sewage releases into >> with the sewage releases into our waterways. no, but honestly, our waterways. no, but honestly, serious. point £11 billion to serious. point £11 billion to climate aid. you're giving £3 climate aid. you're giving £3 billion a year to ukraine until billion a year to ukraine until the job is done, which could be the job is done, which could be an endless. an endless. >> i think that's one of the >> i think that's one of the most important things we can do. most important things we can do. and the most important and the most important institution in my life right now institution in my life right now is the ukrainian army, and they is the ukrainian army, and they have to succeed in that. have to succeed in that. otherwise, that will shape our otherwise, that will shape our geopolitics for the next. geopolitics for the next. >> why? why is that? >> why? why is that? >> why? why is that? >> why? why is that? >> well, otherwise dictators will invade other countries with >> well, otherwise dictators will invade other countries with impunity. that's why ukraine is impunity. that's why ukraine is not a member of nato. not a member of nato. >> so why don't we just wait? i >> so why don't we just wait? i mean, i'm not a military expert. mean, i'm not a military expert. i'm just playing devil's i'm just playing devil's advocate. but why don't we just advocate. but why don't we just wait until. >> because if they succeed, the wait until. >> because if they succeed, the

argument is they'll they'll then argument is they'll they'll then go on to poland. >> right? >> right? >> and start invading moldova and then estonia . so why don't and then estonia. so why don't you wait until their nato ally? >> well, because. >> well, because. >> why would we? why would we wait for that? why would they be allowed to get away with invading ukraine? >> because we can't afford it. >> because we can't afford it. >> absolutely horrific point of view. i mean, we've got to stop him in his tracks. yeah, and shove them out of ukraine. i mean, that's a kid in school

the case that a kid in school that raises a concern about immigration is being sent for home being racist or. well, it could be one or both for the fact that i do really think that we still have a lingering issue with kids not having the socialisation that they needed dunng socialisation that they needed during covid times at a key part of their development. they haven't learned how to learn how to talk to other people politely, how to disagree properly, how to have good debates with people. and hence you often end up with kids who they don't know how to talk to each other properly in a respectful way. >> but where do they learn to become racist ? there's a become racist? there's a difference between being polite and being, i think. >> i think you finish , you finish. >> i think a lot of the time if kids are sent home for when kids say something offensive and they use the wrong words and they use the wrong language, i think sometimes you have to give them a bit of a benefit of the doubt, because often clearly what they've said is wrong, but they don't completely understand what they're saying. they're still learning what is right and what is wrong. yeah, kids make silly mistakes. all of the time.

>> okay, theo, what were you going to say? >> we're just going off three paragraphs on the front of the daily mirror, and it's obviously it looks like it's a freedom of information request. i mean, the numbers are worrying, but we not think that some, you know, things aryare rt of off piste not think that some, you know, things aryare worrying, iste not think that some, you know, things aryare worrying, but we don't know what's behind them. numbers are worrying, but we don't know what's behind them. but the insinuation, it seems to but the insinuation, it seems to be, you know, from the daily be, you know, from the daily mirror and i may have maybe mirror and i may have maybe reading this wrong, but, you reading this wrong, but, you know, if you have more racism in know, if you have more racism in society and then kids are kids society and then kids are kids are picking it up and they're are picking it up and they're taking it with them into the taking it with them into the playground, and that's got to be playground, and that's got to be that's got to be a worrying, a that's got to be a worrying, a worrying trend. but as i said, worrying trend. but as i said, we're only dealing with for i we're only dealing with for i mean, it's going to be mean, it's going to be interesting to know what what interesting to know what what teachers are saying or if, you teachers are saying or if, you know, there's anything to sort know, there's anything to sort of back up or anybody with more of back up or anybody with more expertise than. but paul rmt expertise than. but paul rmt has, has any reason as to why has, has any reason as to why this might be happening. >> i wonder, paul, though, if we this might be happening. >> i wonder, paul, though, if we are changing or the definition are changing or the definition of racism is changing over the of racism is changing over the years. >> i mean, chloe's point is a years. >> i mean, chloe's point is a good one around teaching kids to good one around teaching kids to how express ideas, debate, talk how express ideas, debate, talk in ways that are respectful, but in ways that are respectful, but not think that some, you know, not think that some, you know,

things are sort of off piste things are sort of off piste and you can't mention it or whatever. >> that's important. but if kids are just genuinely, you know , are just genuinely, you know, racially abusing somebody in the playground, then

racially abusing somebody in the playground, the lookv. racially abusing somebody in the playground, the look at this workers. take a look at this doughnuts over here if you want to thank you for your hard work. >> can you bring some for my kids here? hey, the 25% tariffs we just brought in on chinese steel. it's going to help you out. that's going to keep my job guy. yeah. what about the what about the 40% taxes i'm paying? and i don't have a doctor. the $400 million that we invested to invest in the electric car. yeah. it means you're going to have a job for. i think you're only here for another year. we won't see you around. probably another year. that's. that's what elections are for. that's right, that's right. and i look forward to everyone exercising their right to vote. yep. and their right to vote. yep. and the basic choice we're going to invest in you and your job. we're going to believe you for a second. yeah. dental care . do second. yeah. dental care. do you know anyone who got dental care. yeah i pay for it myself . care. yeah i pay for it myself. okay. we're like three years behind in coverage. yeah, but we got people in my family. we've got people in my family. we've got every time we go for a dental visit. it's cost me about $50 in my pocket per person. okay why? i have a good job. you're not really doing anything for us, justin. well, actually, we just invested. so half a million people haven't been to

the dentist. got to go to the dentist over the past few months. like my neighbour. that doesn't go to work because she's lazy. well, she doesn't go to work. she lives the same way . work. she lives the same way. tried to stick up for each other. and that's what we're going to keep doing. yeah good luck and take care of your family. no. i'm good, thank you. all right. have a nice day. have a good day, sir. good night. all right. the other guys got. they got the doughnuts. excellent. >> they got the doughnuts. excellent now, look, i'm not a justin trudeau fan, paul, but i think he. something similar happened to sadiq khan at some months or years ago in the uk. and khan walked off. so although i'm not a trudeau fan, he did stand there. he did engage and try and have a conversation to his credit. >> i mean, politicians are terrified of this kind of doorstep encounter, aren't they? >> and tony blair famously outside the hospital in birmingham, and there was the mrs. duffy incident with gordon brown, which then he revealed his true feelings on because he kept the microphone on like a fool, but they have to just stand there and take it. they can't be seen to be being rude or aggressive or walking away or dismissing the voter, because that then becomes the viral

clip. so they have to just sit there and take it. and i thought actually he did quite well. >> yeah, i think he did alright. chloe, could you imagine keir starmer doing that ? starmer doing that? >> i mean i think keir starmer would probably do similar. i keep making the same point and not actually responding to what the voter was saying when the voter was making key points there. i pay all of this tax. i don't have a doctor, i don't have a dentist. i'm sure many people in the uk can relate. they pay tons of tax and they can't get a doctor's appointment. you've got people in this country pulling out their own teeth because they can't get a dentist appointment, right? and he just kept saying, no, we've invested in your industry, we've invested in your industry. he just kept making the same point over and over. >> a typical politician, theo, i reckon starmer would have done runner. >> well, who knows what keir starmer would have done? well, i think it's actually it's the fundamentals, isn't it? it's the this guy, this this worker, you know, he's got a good he's blue collarjob in canada. he's confronted the prime minister. and it's the fundamentals that actually at the moment in western democracies having a good job just isn't enough. no, it's just not enough. and there

is an underlying dissatisfaction with the deal that working people have, whether it be in the uk or in canada or in the states. and that's what leaves open the door to people like donald trump. >> yeah, i was speaking to my grandma the other day. she was reminding me of the times when the husband went out to work. you only needed one person to work in the household, and that was enough to take care of the kids, the household, the wife. but not today , obviously. panel. but not today, obviously. panel. thank you. you'll be back in just a tick for more of tomorrow's newspaper front pages. and i bring you another interesting video, to say the least. it's truly unhinged . least. it's truly unhinged. actually, it's a clip from extinction rebellion, and i'll also crown tonight's greatest and union jackass. this is ben leo tonight only on

ben leo tonight. more newspaper front pages have just dropped. hot off the press. the guardian leads with protesters turn on netanyahu and fury over deaths of six hostages. yeah, those scenes tonight from israel. thousands of protesters taking to the streets of the

likes of tel aviv. water cannons used

with illegal migrants. we've had in germany. far better transparency on the figures in terms of crime than we've had released here in the uk. and you've seen that illegal migrants in germany are far, far more likely to commit crimes. they're having huge trouble there. so how can anyone be surprised by this, >> paul , it's interesting, isn't >> paul, it's interesting, isn't it? the uk seems to be growing ever more, left a lurch to the left, as they like to call it . left, as they like to call it. but yet europe and germany at least seems to be lurching to the right . the right. >> this is quite worrying, actually, because, i mean, the german constitution was devised to avoid ever the same happening again that happened in the 30s, and there are echoes of that in this election. victory they do have checks and balances within the system. so they're not going to form a government, but they can within this state. you know, cause trouble for the existing parties. but more importantly is why do people feel the need to vote for these populist ,

vote for these populist, anti—immigrant, you know, hate filled kind of parties? you know, what's going wrong with our democracy? is it ? it's not our democracy? is it? it's not just germany. >> it's all over the world, isn't it? okay. >> is it hate filled to want to control your borders? >> everyone wants to control their borders. >> so what's hate filled about that? >> but it's the way that the rhetoric is framed. that is the othering of people. it's blaming things on certain groups in every different bit of europe. it's a different group that gets blamed. but the idea of populism and that, you know, we're the people and these others are responsible for your ills is a very dangerous narrative. and it does have echoes of the nazis as the front page suggests. >> theo, is this not just democracy in action? >> well, look, it's a trend, isn't it? we've seen we saw how close marine le pen came, obviously, in those parliamentary elections, and there had to be a sort of organising of the left in order to shut out, national rally. we've obviously seen what's happenedin we've obviously seen what's happened in italy , where happened in italy, where actually giorgia meloni has taken power. and we've also seen in this country how well nigel

farage has done reform uk. i mean, obviously labour secured a majority of north of 170. but you know, he nigel farage and reform uk split and split the conservative vote. and i think if you look at the trends that we're seeing in this country, i think the reform are probably going to do well, you know, the same or equally as, you know , same or equally as, you know, even better at the next general election, depending on how the party grows. so it's a trend we're seeing right across europe. >> okay. who would have guessed people don't like open borders? surprise, surprise. anyway, let me show you this clip from extinction rebellion. so one of the protesters has mimicked the press. let me just i'll play the clip. it speaks for itself. >> no such thing as a free press any more. the dirty fossil fuel industry pays me to lie to everybody. give me your dirty money and i will convince you to even drink oil. give it to your children. who cares about free press when you can buy it with

dirty money? >> i think she's had a few too many shandies. but anyway, time now for today's greatest britain and union jackass. chloe who is your greatest britain? >> tonight it's going to be jeremy clarkson for jezza banning keir starmer from his new pub, which i thought was absolutely brilliant. >> theo, your gb, tanni grey—thompson i thought the way she spoke about had the courage to speak about her ordeal of having to call off a train to commence bravery, and i think you only get changed by speaking out about things like this and fair play to her, i think, is a fantastic thing to do, and it's taken a lot of courage to do it. >> good. shout paul. >> good. shout paul. >> it's got to be angela rayner putting the party in labour party. >> oh, paul, this came, this came the day after starmer's doom laden speech saying he's allowed to have a holiday and she's in ibiza raving. >> she's the grandma. >> she's the grandma. >> good for her. do you not think it was a bit tone deaf? >> i think she's entitled to a houday >> i think she's entitled to a holiday and i think a lot of britons are in a b30 enjoying themselves, just like our deputy prime minister michael gove did

this right. and you're not quite as cool as that, though, was it? he looked terrible. he was wearing a suit, for heaven's sake. at least she's enjoying herself. >> maybe so. but michael gove did it and you're lot slammed him for going on holiday at a time when people were struggling. anyway the today's gb is tony grey is going to a very worthy nomination, but it's going to be jeremy clarkson, unfortunately, because anyone who bans starmer from their pub is a greatest britain to me. chloe thompson, who's your union jackass >> it's jess phillips for gloating about the fact that she was given the fast track at the hospital, it would seem. why did she do that? her stance on gaza. apparently that meant that the doctor liked her. she says a lot of the doctors there are muslim and palestinians, and they knew that she's pro gaza. so they basically let her jump the queue. >> oh, not sure why jess would do that a bit politically naive. theo, your union jackass >> ticketmaster. ticketmaster. because of course they inflated the prices for the oasis concert. i just think if you're going to have a reunion of one of the greatest bands of the last, what, 40 years, 30 years, you've got to do it properly and

you've got to do it properly and you can't have the whole thing, you can't have the whole thing, you know, some inflated prices . you know, some inflated prices. >> some labour mps suggested nationalising ticketmaster today . nationalising ticketmaster today. and paul, your union jackass. >> well, it's a bit of a serious one really, but it's the taliban for trying to erase women from pubuc for trying to erase women from public life in that country by not even letting them speak in public. >> i mean , it's an absolute >> i mean, it's an absolute disgrace. we need to keep the eyes of the world on this. >> yeah, it's going to be the taliban. of course , yeah. i taliban. of course, yeah. i mean, we've wasted 20 years in afghanistan and joe biden's evacuation from america, from afghanistan was a stain on america. and it's long been argued as well that that botched evacuation sparked putin's inspiration for taking ukraine and, of course, china eyeing up taiwan as well . so of course taiwan as well. so of course it's going to be the taliban. chloe. theo, paul, thank you so much for joining chloe. theo, paul, thank you so much forjoining me tonight. much for joining me tonight. thank you at home forjoining thank you at home for joining me. and of course, over this past four weeks, that's me done. now. mark dolan is back next week. he's had a long holiday which i'm sure he's enjoyed very much. not sure if he's got a tan. up much. not sure if he's got a tan. up next it's headliners. i'm back on wednesday night covering for patrick. thank you and good

night. here's your weather with greg. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. it stays unsettled over the next 24 hours or so. the risk of heavy showers and thunderstorms staying rather cloudy and particularly humid as well. low pressure in charge of our weather pattern at the moment. slow moving areas of rain across the country. however, this area of high pressure just starts to introduce some fresher air as we move through into the beginning of next week. this evening time, we do have areas of showers and thunderstorms pushing north across england and wales into southern parts of scotland. band of rain also starts to move in from the atlantic to affect parts of northern ireland. humid tonight, warm as well with a lot of cloud cover . temperatures in of cloud cover. temperatures in the mid to high. teens uncomfortable for sleeping for some of us. so on monday

morning, an unsettled start to the new working week. areas of showers pushing northwards across parts of scotland. some of this could lead to some local disruption. first thing cloudy across northern ireland. showery outbreaks of rain here, which also extends into parts of northern england, north wales, some thunderstorms around a lot of cloud. humid start to the day. further showers and thunderstorms in places. two across the rest of england and wales through the day. what we'll see is it generally stays cloudy across most areas. there will be some bright or sunny spells in between, but we do have lots of bands of rain and showers pushing north and eastwards through the day. some of this will be heavy and thundery. could see some local disruption temperatures a little lower, particularly in the southeast. 25 degrees but still rather humid for many of us and into the evening and overnight. those showers continue. fresher air starts to move in from the west on tuesday. a mixture of sunny spells and showers. showers most frequent the further north and west you are

here, some of them heavy. the best of the drier, brighter weather will be further south and east and temperatures just a little lower once more. generally dry for wednesday ahead of further showery rain pushing in for thursday. see you sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good evening. it's 11:00. gb news. >> good evening. it's11:00. i'm will hollis in the gb news newsroom. protests in israel as thousands of people in tel aviv and jerusalem fill the streets after the killing of six hostages in gaza. protesters blocked roads while police used water cannons to disperse crowds. idf soldiers recovered the bodies of the hostages, who israel says were killed. moments before troops reached them. the hostages families forum , which hostages families forum, which represents relatives of those held in gaza , blame the deaths held in gaza, blame the deaths on prime minister netanyahu's failure to secure a deal with hamas back in the uk. the leader of the snp has been speaking on the final day of the party's conference in edinburgh. the keynote speech by scotland's first minister, john swinney, who took over from from former party leader humza yousaf in may, highlighted getting a ceasefire in gaza as a priority

to humza, was one of