gb news. >> good evening. it's 11:00. i'm will >> good evening. it's11:00. i'm will hollis >> good evening. it's11:00. i'm will hollis in the gb news newsroom. protests in israel as thousands of people in tel aviv and jerusalem fill the streets after the killing of six hostages in gaza. protesters blocked roads while police used water cannons to disperse crowds. idf soldiers recovered the bodies of the hostages, who israel says were killed. moments before troops reached them. the hostages families forum , which hostages families forum, which represents relatives of those held in gaza , blame the deaths held in gaza, blame the deaths on prime minister netanyahu's failure to secure a deal with hamas back in the uk. the leader of the snp has been speaking on the final day of the party's conference in edinburgh. the keynote speech by scotland's first minister, john swinney, who took over from from former party leader humza yousaf in may, highlighted getting a ceasefire in gaza as a priority

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gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> hello and welcome to headliners, your first look at monday's newspapers. i'm stephen allen. tonight our well balanced panelis allen. tonight our well balanced panel is made of right wing paul cox and someone who has marx as a surname , kerry marx. a surname, kerry marx. >> it's the closest we could find all you could get. that's all. yeah. you're struggling now, aren't you.7 >> now, aren't you? >> it's almost left wing. >> it's almost left wing. >> it's almost left wing. >> it's all right. i wait to find out how i'm going to be described each time. >> but this time i'm told my surname. >> surname. >> see? i'm back again. yeah. i'm running out of inspiration. >> happy. happy autumn to you, by the way. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> because technically, we are. >> because technically, we are. >> we are in calendar autumn, aren't we? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> meteorological still count anymore? >> i thought we've got rid of them. they just seem like the. >> i have something very important to announce, though, because i have been sent yet another pig. wow. right. wow. how many ? how many? i know how how many? how many? i know how much you love my pig. are you on two? this is two pigs. and i should say this is a gift from wendi in kent. to the people's gammon. from one gammon to another. best wishes. thank you .

another. best wishes. thank you. wendi. it's very soft, by the way. chloe, who is our head floor manager. she absolutely loves it and would like one too. >> wendi, if you identify as gammon, is this not cannibalism? >> this feels they just keep sending me. yeah. versions of me. only if he eats it. >> we will. are you going to eat it? >> he will. he will. >> he will. he will. >> i will. >> i will. >> he ain't got a gig. >> he ain't got a gig. >> i'm going to try and eat it on the way home. >> it looks tasty from here. right. that's all the chit chat done. let's start off with the front pages. the daily mail goes with labour is scaring off big businesses. the times says germany's far right has first big win since nazis. that's quite a headline. the daily telegraph one word ofsted ratings scrapped. the guardian says protesters turn on netanyahu in fury over deaths of six hostages. the daily express how ludicrous labour acts winter fuel help to stop, run on pound and finally, the daily star oasis. some won't pay and those are your front pages . right,

are your front pages. right, paul? to the telegraph front page. all they got. >> yeah. one word. ofsted ratings to be scrapped, steve. now, the print is actually quite small, so i'm just going to make sure i say the right thing. so the grading system will be replaced by a school report cards from september next year. so a year from right now and because this has been rushed in, people have no idea what it's going to look like. of course, it's been rushed in as a result of ruth perry's unfortunate death. ruth perry is the headteacher who committed suicide when her school was downgraded from outstanding to inadequate. and i think i agree. you know , these one word ofsted you know, these one word ofsted ratings are very difficult. you have to have a measuring process, of course, but i'm not sure. i can't comment on what it's going to look like. i'm quite surprised actually, because i got a feeling that when the initial ruling was made after the inquest of her death, that there was going to be no change, ofsted came out and said this is the way things are going to be, so i can only assume and i don't know, this is just my opinion , that labour have had opinion, that labour have had maybe something to do with this

and that. they see this as something that needs changing and i think i agree with them. >> yeah, it wasn't very precise, was it. just having one word for different categories. we were saying earlier, it means it was less precise than the five star hygiene ratings of kebab shops. yes so you probably wanted to do better than that, but it was what it was, was outstanding or good or requiring improvement or inadequate. >> and it's going to be replaced by report cards. but we don't know what that means at the moment. apparently, there is going to be like little cards that probably say the same words on them. >> i don't know, but i don't know. >> i got hesitations over all this because surely that's the same thing we expect of pupils to be marked, don't we? >> we expect them to go to exams and get a marking out of several. so. so why should teachers and schools not also have a similar marking? i'd say this the story at the time sounded more to me that it wasn't about the marking, it was about the bullying and the intimidation of the ofsted inspectors, who put tremendous pressure on heads of schools to meet these criteria. and if they don't, then, you know, they kind of suffer for that . so i don't

of suffer for that. so i don't know. i don't know enough. i haven't been a headteacher ever. well, and also unbelievable, my kids, my kids aren't old enough to have gone to school yet, so i don't know what it's going to be like. but if i think if i'm not willing to read more than a word about a school, then it's my stupid fault. people spend most of their lives reading the details of other people's amazon reviews for something that costs like £3.50, maybe read a whole card's worth of info about a school before you send your kids there. yeah, you think i'd be there. yeah, you think i'd be the least you could do it as well? and that's what i'm aiming for. the least i can do. i think we're changing everything here because i saw a headline the other day. i don't know how accurate it is, but it was about, removing exams from pupils because it causes too much stress and anxiety. and i think we're sort of in this role. and now if the teachers can't handle it, then we can't expect the pupils to be able to handle stress. >> it should just be done like some sort of tombola raffle situation . so when you start in situation. so when you start in year r at school, which you're, you know, your eldest will start soon, they're told then they're going to be a b student. the other one is really clever unfortunately is going to be thick. yeah. >> oh well at least we all know. >> oh well at least we all know. >> and then we know because it's

just kinder. >> we could just make it random. that would be nice. even better, just shuffle out cards like a fruit machine. >> teach them how to use fruit machines. you did well. >> yeah, yeah. it's good we solved it. all right, we'll move on to the front page of the daily mail. kerry. well, the front page of the daily mail tells us that labour is scaring off big business. this is so okay. it tells us a sudden collapse in confidence over uk economy. survey of bosses. a survey of bosses revealed that tax rises, tax rises, workplace reforms that loom apparently are getting them all worried as it would do. i mean, there's nothing much for them in all of this. i'm not sure whether actually they're being painted here as scaredy cats, but i'm not sure whether they're just sceptical of reforms that are happening that are going to affect them, the workers rights and so on, and, you know, i think maybe this is an effect of being told by the government to expect pain, pain, pain. that's never it's never very hopeful. and, you know, largely doom is self—fulfilling, you know, and thatis self—fulfilling, you know, and that is the problem with it is

that is the problem with it is that when you're giving all bad news, even if people think it's absolutely necessary right now. but if you're giving all bad news, it doesn't increase people's confidence. and obviously that's having an effect . but we're actually what effect. but we're actually what this government has inherited is the fastest growth in the g7. so you know, we're not hearing that. all we're hearing is that inconvenient, that awful, awful pain, pain, pain. but a little bit of that is because we were slower to start growth. we had a delay after covid. speak for yourself. yeah, yeah i was pretty good at growing wider dunng pretty good at growing wider during covid, but america did 5% for a while. you can't keep that. and then now that we're beating america in terms of percentage, they've romped on. they're slowing down a bit and we're now catching up. >> yeah. and i'm not sure all that makes too much difference really. it's what does make a difference is how people feel. you know, if you feel poorer or you feel your country's worse off, you will continue to believe that it is so. if your prime minister comes out and is optics, this is really bad . and optics, this is really bad. and it's, by the way, going to get worse, then that's the worst type of politics that a leader can offer. really. there is

there is obviously a need for honesty, but i just think that was politicking to a negative extent. that was unrequired. i don't think it's as bad as labour are making out. i do think it's bad if they want to try and achieve some of the things that they're going to try and do and big business know this, you know, this is it's never a surprise. everyone knows that. you know, socialism only works if it's paid for by capitalism. so you need to keep big, big businesses on side. i would argue that they're not doing that. they will now scramble seeing stuff like this in the mail to try and appease in the mail to try and appease in some way, but it'd be very interesting to see what that relationship is like between labour and big business, because it's big business is going to keep the economy alive . keep the economy alive. >> talking about relationships, they're trying to put a happy picture here of brad pitt with his, they are six year old, obviously, 34 year old girlfriend in mr raymond, why shouldn't he? i don't know whether this is, like, scornful or not, but, she's 34. i think i sold enough to make a decision. really? isn't it ? really? isn't it? >> i'd say so, yeah. >> and also, i did see some news

stories writing up like, oh, she's half his age and it's brad pitt. yeah, yeah. i mean , if you pitt. yeah, yeah. i mean, if you can't be good looking, rich and famous, if all three things are in place and you still can't get a pretty girlfriend, then i think there's something wrong . think there's something wrong. paul think there's something wrong. paul, to the times next. >> what they got ? germany's far >> what they got? germany's far right. has first big win since nazis. right. has first big win since nazis . quite the headline. nazis. quite the headline. absolutely i mean, it's out. i think the phrasing is absolutely outrageous. it's based. it is. i mean, this is this is the afd, which is alternative for deutschland . deutschland. steve, deutschland. deutschland. steve, by the way, is german for germany. wow. just just so you know, this, i've got i've got this, i've got this, mate. don't worry. but they're considered hard, right. because they are nationalistic. these these are, these are terms which are , which these are terms which are, which are bad, but largely because they are anti—immigration. now i have seen a change in the type of people that are anti—immigrant now. and it's not that they're anti specific people where they come from or

the colour they are anti the effect. it has on their lives, the effect it has on the society and the community in which they live in. so if that now is to become hard right. hard right are de facto nazi, then there are de facto nazi, then there are a lot of nazis in europe at the moment. was that not slightly the narrative that the nazis put forward about ? well, nazis put forward about? well, this is this is the dangerous game we play. steve because absolutely, you know, if you're nazi , you don't come out and nazi, you don't come out and say, you're a nazi, do you? you say, you're a nazi, do you? you say all sorts of fluffy things. i would argue that the afd don't come out and say all sorts of fluffy things. they point at things and go, that looks bad, doesn't it? you don't like that we're going to change that. and of course, it's quite populist, but it's going to work at the moment because what we've had is people, governments across europe now for 10 or 15 years, boosting the immigration policies because it's good for their for their own economics. and it's falling apart. >> yeah. and kyrie is this just, people people hating what they've currently got because their lives aren't great. so they vote for an opposite. we've just done the same over here. we've not gone further. right.

we've not gone further. right. we went further left because we were just sick of the current situation. i assume people tend to go completely the opposite way, don't they, to whatever they've just had. but i don't know. i think this , this know. i think this, this headune know. i think this, this headline is, is kind of mischievous though, in that it deliberately so a left wing party gets in and saying it's the first big win since stalin, you know. yeah. no it's not quite the same thing, yeah. of course there's a worry about rising populism, but how popular are they ? they've got about 20 are they? they've got about 20 to 23% of the vote. i think, which is a significant in the eastern region. so they in the eastern region. so they in the eastern region, i was going to say this. yeah. >> it's not a national. >> it's not a national. >> these are just two regional areas they did well in. i think they it's a litmus test. >> yes it is, it is. but it's like a litmus test isn't it. you know, but it didn't work. i don't know if the politics are quite the same in germany as they are in france. so once this was seen in france recently, all the left parties rallied against. they put all of their differences to one side and made sure that , le pen's party didn't sure that, le pen's party didn't get in. >> yeah, it became left versus right. >> exactly . and maybe this can >> exactly. and maybe this can happenin >> exactly. and maybe this can happen in germany. i think this is mischievous because. because

it's germany and because of the nazis, it does seem a little unnecessary to me. i think we need a tire. we need to dial down the rhetoric . down the rhetoric. >> sometimes i think a lot of things are described as far right very easily and aren't necessarily. i mean, they are on the right wing and whether they're, whether they're right leaning or far right, i think is kind of debateable . but you kind of debateable. but you don't say, but it's also germany. don't forget, it's had a very large immigration. it tookit a very large immigration. it took it took in a million people a few years ago. and that has had an effect on the country. yeah, i think whenever there's a headune yeah, i think whenever there's a headline that looks like an intro, i would have written there. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> daily star, what they got. oh okay, this is the oasis ongoing story . fans and mps slam ticket story. fans and mps slam ticket price hikes. why are mps involved? not quite sure why. that's a thing. is it any of their business? i don't know, so oasis, some won't pay. don't go then. yeah. why is that even news? >> yeah, because i tell you, you don't want to go. >> don't go. they're hiking. the price. of course, and i don't. you know, i was never into

oasis, so i don't feel like i should be commenting much other than saying that, you know, the price of going to, to these kind of shows now is insane. and, and the, the rise also because it would be nice if they were coming back together saying they're doing this a little bit for the love of their fans. you know , or for the love of playing know, or for the love of playing music, but they're saying right off it's about the money. it's about £400 million in ticket sales, which i think is a bit obnoxious, actually. yeah, i mean, i was a huge oasis fan. >> i'm still an oasis fan. and i don't know if you know, but being obnoxious was one of their sort of big visions. that's what they wanted to be. i don't have any issue with this whatsoever. it's very much i know we've got to go, steve, so let's leave it there, coming up. >> yeah, that's the front page is done. >> we've crossed the t's and dotted the i's, which means we've forgotten about the j's like idiots. >> up next, right riot and labour upsetting pensioners. >> it's classic

soon. welcome back to headliners. your first look at monday's newspapers. i'm stephen allen here with so—called comedians paul cox and kerri ross. paul the daily mail pensioners are still getting hot under the collar about the winter fuel cuts . so you know that will help. >> they will. they'll need it . >> they will. they'll need it. rachel reeves scrambles to ease winter fuel backlash, insisting she didn't want to cut the handout for pensioners and urging more to sign up to the low income benefits. the chancellor claimed the government had no choice. the. this is an interesting. i'll get to that bit in a minute, but the interesting thing is the low income benefit that has been available across the tory governments and now under labour and not, you know, i think there are something like 800,000 people that are able to claim for this , and a large percentage for this, and a large percentage of those don't. so i would suggest to anybody, you know, if you can or if you're eligible, do claim because it's going to come in handy this year. but in terms of does she have a choice? of course she has a choice. and i think it's disingenuous to say that she doesn't have a choice. she does. she i understand what she's saying. if she just talk

purely politics, what's she saying is, well, i couldn't really do the other things. we've always said. we wouldn't. of course, she had a choice. i think there are a number of vanhy think there are a number of vanity projects that are very expensive. i, i personally think, and i know not everyone agrees with me, that a lot of money, £10 billion a year, for instance, gets spent on 2030 net zero now. and we're not going to achieve it. so maybe if we could claw some of that back and keep the old people warm. >> so just to work out where we are, do you think all pensioners should receive a winter fuel payment? >> so i don't think they should. i am a you very good question steve. very good question. no, i don't think that they should. and the idea that is means tested. i do understand however labour for the beat of their drum was they were not going to attack this, they were not going to attack this, they were not going to attack this. and they have essentially means tested of course, what you can do is you can take the alan sugars and say he could claim it. why would he claim it? if you focus on that, you're going to you're going to annoy, you're going to ignore. sorry, the people that are right on the cusp of receiving the low

income benefit for fuel allowance, maybe by 5 or £10, and there are hundreds if not thousands, if not millions of those that will now lose out on their winter fuel allowance, which they would have relied on. considering that the fuel price is so high. it's a good question. >> steve and kerry remember when they said fully costed? i need to go and work out what those words mean? i don't know what that means really, but it can't mean anything anymore because they hadn't costed it. they haven't costed it at all. no, not fully. i think this is one of those policies that if the tories have done it, then everyone on the left would have been extremely against it because it feels like it's the wrong policy for the wrong party, but i do. i'm amused by the i didn't want to do it as you've just picked on, because it's so like it would have been weird if she'd gone the other way. and i'm doing it because i want to. it gives me a kick, you know , and makes me feel warm. know, and makes me feel warm. yeah, politics makes me smile . yeah, politics makes me smile. yeah. but. and i'm not i'm not against means testing things like this, but as long as means testing doesn't mean testing. you know, it's down to, i think, 11,500 earnings for a single person, 17,500 for a couple.

there'll be people just over that threshold who are going to be hit quite hard for it. the reason why i have some feeling with this , and i do kind of with this, and i do kind of agree with means testing to an extent , but at the same agree with means testing to an extent, but at the same time it's me that this is about right. it's that i'm getting to that age soon where it's going to affect me and what i want. i always think the difference between these type of, handouts or whatever you want to call it is that, benefits is that, is it they affect everyone, you know, apart from the people who die young, but basically, you know, anything you give out for mental health, physical for health, having children and so on, that affects different parts. factions of the of the country. but this is one we can all aim for is to be old, you know. so i think i still have this feeling that throw everything at old people don't literally, you know, you'll smash them up. but i think it's good to, you know, give them benefits, make make life, give them free travel free everything and make life good. then we all reach that. it's something to look forward to. i only stayed alive because of that £300 a year on gas bills. well, it's part of it, isn't it?

having an easy life. put your feet up and so on. but yeah, i think it's a necessary thing , think it's a necessary thing, but i don't know whether it's going to be too strict or draconian. yeah, we shall see. well, carrie , the daily mail well, carrie, the daily mail next, tony blair tells starmer not to worry about criticism. >> yeah, that ended well. >> yeah, that ended well. >> yeah. so keir starmer's popularity is plunging down as brits brace for tax bombs and also pain. pain pain as the message we had from the rose garden recently, but tony blair has urged the prime minister not to take this media backlash seriously. so that must be a tremendous comfort for him. tony blair knows , of course, enough blair knows, of course, enough of this, losing popularity himself. you know, it was around about 2003, after the invasion of iraq, that his popularity itself began to plummet, and then he managed to get through then he managed to get through the next election with a reduced majority. and then, i think, stumbled on for another couple of years, really, didn't he? >> and then get rid of gordon brown. >> that wasn't a tax bomb. that was just bombs. the actual bombs, those were actual bombs that did that. so yeah, but you know, this is just an opinion

poll. it's not to be taken too seriously. it's done by a group called opinium. opinium. yeah. which i think is like half opinion and opium. yeah. it's really happy people, you know, we're expecting i don't know whether what's going to happen is we're going to get a really we're definitely going to get a harsh budget coming up. but it might be part of a plan, because what he wants to do, what the labour want to do is, is to come up with a more exciting or interesting budget before the next election , you know, and next election, you know, and then bring their their popularity back up. but at the same time, you know, keir starmer is talking about ten years of pain. so maybe that's not the thing. maybe they're going to be honest and stick with that. so we'll wait and see. short term pain so that we can get long term discomfort. >> yes. >> yes. >> that's maybe it is. >> that's maybe it is. >> but i mean there's not much more to say about the fact that, you know, it's tony blair. iraq. et cetera. et cetera. don't listen to people telling you what you don't want to hear , what you don't want to hear, okay? whatever. however it does it, there is something. and i don't use this word lightly or often. there's something toxic about the politics with regards to labour at the moment. they're

a bit like a toxic partner in the sense that they'll say your previous partner didn't know how to treat you. only i know to how treat you well. and in order for me to treat you well, i need to break you down. it's hairdresser and then i need to build you back up again. you don't know what's right for you. i know what's right for you. i know what's right for you. i know what's right for you. and it feels a lot like that at the moment. now that may be not what they're meaning to do, but it's how it's coming across. it was freaky hearing you say it. yeah, i mean, i've done it a lot. i am a toxic partner. >> you've got practice. we get experts on this show. paul, the guardian proof that the uk police knew less than the kaiser chiefs when it came to preparing uk police. >> lovely uk police risk assessment before riots , said assessment before riots, said far right that threat was probably minimal. so in the months leading up to the summer's riots, police leaders believed that the threat of violence from the far right protests were minimal. these are official papers and that's what they say. and it was because statistically, the greatest risk in terms of in terms of terror is from islamists. the biggest

growing risks is from the far left and i'm not suggesting that the far right is not a risk. it's there. but it's sitting there quite quiescently it hasn't grown any. it's about the threat that it was. and we do know that all of those riots weren't just they weren't attended by 100% far right thugs. they were there were thatcherite thugs there who who said and did things and chucked things and burnt things down. all bad stuff. but they were a vast minority. i don't think anything we've seen has changed that the police won't go away from this thinking, the risk was much bigger than we thought. the risk was probably about the level they thought it was. and they'll go about, protecting us from all the other things i mentioned previously. it's the guardian. so i think that what they're trying, i'm not quite sure what their angle is. i've read the full stories, believe it or not, but it's very it's very difficult for me to figure out what they're trying to say here, because it's almost like they're saying the police were underprepared. i'm not sure that they were. i think the police, and particularly the agencies involved in sorting this thing out, are far more prepared than we realise. and thank god that

they are, because they've managed to foil other things in the past. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> carrie, when you read the whole thing, it's there's not a lot to attack the police with. >> no, this is a bit like complaining about a weather report, really, isn't it? i mean, to expect the police to, to predict accurately everything that's about to happen. what are they talking about? is what they have the resources for and what they're going to need to be prepared for. and they were saying in that case, it was minimal. and, you know , the far minimal. and, you know, the far right thugs that these demos were awful. their behaviour was terrible. it was a horrible, unnecessary violence. and so on. at the same time, i don't know where they were, what their predicted, threat level was for the notting hill carnival this yean the notting hill carnival this year, where two people were killed and a whole load of people injured, and also, they this is what they said. they said it's probable the events will be organised by a small cohort, which they were of dedicated members of attendance, which they were and will be at low levels and disruption minimal, it depends how you want to measure it. in many ways it was minimal. it was. there wasn't. london didn't go up in

flames. no city did. in brighton, i think four people turned up for it and many thousands of people turned up to protest against them. so i isn't that the police job is to say what they're going to be needed for or not. and brighton was always a bit of a reach as well, wouldn't it? yeah, it's the place to do. >> we would have all been surprised. >> yeah. what were you expecting? yeah, totally. kerry to the times the snp as a £600 million black hole. that'll buy you a lot of campervans. it's 545. i did once you work it out. yeah. >> okay. >> okay. >> did you did that? john swinney has been accused of taking a hatchet to the country's finances in a brutal round of cost cutting, while blaming westminster for the funding crisis . that's the whole funding crisis. that's the whole line there. yeah. that's it. >> that's the whole story, by the way. >> yeah, it's the whole story. everyone. that's here, everyone's blaming everyone for financial everything right now. and then we have his finance secretary, shona robinson, she's expected to slash spending by 500 million and 600 million on tuesday. that's a busy tuesday , tuesday. that's a busy tuesday, she may as well. the snp can't

get much more unpopular at the moment, so she might as well just cut everything really? now, this is john swinney talking about when he met the public meant john paul. sorry, met john paul marks to discuss the public. i'm going to start all that sentence again. but i do know what i'm saying. public finances. he's the permanent secretary who briefed him, and he said, the first briefing i got talk about bringing you to down earth. i was in the door an houn down earth. i was in the door an hour, and i could see how difficult it was. that doesn't sound really difficult, does it? if he said i was in the door five minutes and i realised this was awful, but an hour either wasn't that difficult or he's really slow, you know, it's like it's bad . like, is that good? it's bad. like, is that good? no, no, no, it's really bad. this is a minus figure. it gets bigger . it's this is a minus figure. it gets bigger. it's minus. honestly, it's not bad as in the way people use the word bad in a modern way. meaning good. you know , john's like oh, really bad know, john's like oh, really bad in a modern way. >> when did your modem way finish? in 1987. yeah bad man. >> that was a modern way . >> that was a modern way. >> that was a modern way. >> yeah. back in our day. >> yeah. back in our day. >> oh, you mean a different

thing. modern has changed. >> yeah, modern has changed. >> yeah, modern has changed. >> modern as well, yeah. i mean, the sunday times revealed the hundreds of millions of pounds of european union funds is being handed back to brussels because the scottish government failed to allocate it to economic or anti—poverty projects. that anti —poverty projects. that sounds anti—poverty projects. that sounds like a bit of a failure to me. it is a failure. and well, sorry, i'll let you talk . well, sorry, i'll let you talk. >> no no no no no no, i mean, the one consistency or one constant in uk politics in the last 20 years has been that the snp have been in charge in scotland. that's the one unequivocal fact of politics within our great isles . and within our great isles. and consistent. what's remarkable about this is how disingenuous they are and how much they believe each new leader of the snp believes we're going to gobble up the same thing. it's not westminster's fault you've been given this money. now westminster might not be giving you the money that you would like, but as carrie just pointed out, there are there are things that they could have done and they haven't done continually. to blame westminster means that the snp will fade into obscurity

at some point, and with it will go their separation plans for at least a generation. because you know, it's a wonderful place up there, but you can really see each year you go up that is going downhill. scotland and i don't, i don't know who's. i think if i talk to people up there, they don't vote for the snp based on the fact that they support the snp . they're just support the snp. they're just generally who else are they going to go for? they feel isolated up there. labour don't really talk their language anymore, although they might start to now and they hate the tories, so they go with the snp and what they've ended up with is a is a is a party drunk on power and 545 campervans coming up the end of part two, coming up the end of part two, coming up bbc and is free speech ending.

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the telegraph. what will happen if labour gets tough on non—crime hate speech? other than this, show will be 11 minutes long. >> ten oh, okay. oh, okay. well, this is about the how the home secretary faces a free speech challenge over strengthening of hate crimes. these are the hate crime laws. they certainly are. they certainly are. >> which i hate. >> which i hate. >> you hate the hate crime laws? do you really? they're not even hate. >> it's non—crime hate things as well. >> okay, so these are about non—crime hate. sorry. non? yeah. non—crime non—crime hate incidents. it doesn't even sound right. it doesn't even sound even when you know, how can you get get in trouble for something that doesn't even sound right in the first place, we've got this kind of like , hate and harm and kind of like, hate and harm and so on that we get very concerned about now. and, and i don't know how the police have time for anything more than actual crime. there seems to be a lot of it going on at the moment. and this is largely centred around, islamophobia and, i think those are the main hatreds. is it islamophobia and, is it jews? i

mean, yeah, basically the only thing is my hate is only associated with islam and anti—semitism and islamophobia. it is only those, isn't it? i think that's all the mentions here. i'm just thinking is the only thing. yeah. they do. it is. yeah, and of course, this is , is. yeah, and of course, this is, the plan to bring in blasphemy laws as well soon and so on, which i feel is a really bad way to go. this is one of those areas that's moved from left to right, hasn't it? it used to be that that free speech was a left wing issue, and that that was kind of the backbone of the civil rights and social justice movement. and now it's kind of moved over that the right are doing the free speech, and the left seem to want to close everything down. it doesn't feel like a good way to go. i think the police should stop, you know, danger and anything that's actually going to cause real harm, physical harm to people. but otherwise , who decides, you know. >> well, that's the big question. >> yeah. i was going to ask you a question to make it really difficult for you, because that's what i like doing. so as we all know, the reason why they changed this reporting of the

non—crime hate incidents is because it is protected under the echr. and you love the echr, don't you? that's what gives you the ability to not have these kerbs on free speech. >> so your thoughts, paul? >> so your thoughts, paul? >> yes. the echr is i do you love the thing about the echr is, is it should be considered a very noble and worthy thing. it really should. it's it was it was born out of the second world war to try and prevent a lot of, a lot of nasty things that happened. unfortunately, in the world we're in now, it's been used as a tool, i think, to squash things like free speech. and it gives somewhere like the uk, which is essentially left it well has left the european union. it holds us to the measures that the rest of the european union are held against, under the guise that if we didn't have it, it would make us evil and we couldn't do this on our own. >> echr one of the articles in it is the reason why you can't report. they shouldn't log the details of non—crime hate incidents. that's why it was stopped because suella braverman changed it and it was because, oh , it's what he's saying. oh, it's what he's saying. >> yeah, the echr protects your right to be a bit hateful, so.

>> okay, great. yeah. do you know what the. that's a bit of a gotcha, because i absolutely didn't realise that . however, didn't realise that. however, just back to just the nuts and bolts of this. hate is a natural human emotion, right? you can't legislate against human emotions. like kerry said. you know who says what's hate and what's not, particularly when it just seems to focus on race or religion in some way. i mean, i hate baked beans, but, you know, i'm not going to get in trouble for saying it. well, i might do now, who knows? >> people say horrible things, you know, it's unquestionably awful things to say online and so on. but but we should enable to stopping it. so yeah, you're right. suella braverman stood against it and cancel that. and then the labour party are talking about putting that back in place. >> so but they're saying they want to put it back in place and it will only be recording incidents where there is the motivation could lead to a crime. but that's already the situation. yes. the laws at the moment are you only record that if it looks like it is. it's intended to be hateful and could lead to something else , and lead to something else, and that's the only reason they come up with the wedge mate, innit? >> yeah. yes.

>> yeah. yes. >> you're one of them aren't you, steve? >> so i'm not one of those in this story. >> no, no, not like they don't need labour. >> i was in character, steve. i didn't mean it. yeah, you'll be tweeting me later. yeah, under my pseudonym. >> yeah, but yeah, i disagree with paul. the daily mail, the bbc must have been looking for ways to stop being talked about for their sex scandals, and they found one. >> they have indeed. bbc is branded shameless after giving a platform to palestinian chief who celebrated hamas's october 7th massacre as a glorious day. so this is mustafa barghouti, i think is the right pronunciation. i'm not entirely sure. sorry, mate. the general secretary of the palestinian national party made an appearance on bbc four's world at one on wednesday after israel launched its large scale attack across the west bank, where palestinians have died. look we know the bbc have struggled with this. i don't think that they've had a particularly coherent approach to this issue. there is there is an argument that says they have been co—opted by the

woke left and therefore they must be considered pro—palestine. and that's why someone like this would be given, airtime. however, i think the bbc are much too long in the tooth to be to be that stupid. i just think that they've got very much caught in a trap with this . much caught in a trap with this. they don't know how to deal with it. they they couldn't identify what terrorism was, was at first. you know, if you swing it around the other way and said, you know, would you give a platform to someone who supported the riots in southport? you wouldn't do so. you just wouldn't you wouldn't have someone on there and celebrate them. as someone who celebrated the riots. so if you look at it from that perspective, the bbc, from my perspective, the bbc, from my perspective, have got this terribly wrong. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> kerry, cameron uk is an organisation that watches media coverage and has had has corrected the bbc on so many things. now i agree, i just things. now i agree, ijust think the real ale people as well, they used to just be the real ale people. they've really

changed their remit. >> the campaign for real ale . >> the campaign for real ale. >> the campaign for real ale. >> oh, oh i see they've gone from . from. >> yeah , i'm with you. you're so >> yeah, i'm with you. you're so clever. i never like to question him, i think. >> look, i do think that barghouti is a is malicious in his views personally. but i do think that everyone should be able to speak. as i say, i'm a full free speech and so on, but i agree with you. i think the bbc have really struggled with this one. they've struggled to and there's a lot of language that people should watch for that people should watch for that with, with the media, where it comes out a bit, being biased. the bbc arabic has had lots of complaints now of things that they're not saying on their mainstream programme, but they are saying in bbc arabic that, leans into being extremely biased, but we also hear, heads of hamas and hezbollah being described as peace activists, which is really strange. and we hear when, when a bomb goes off in israel sent by hezbollah or by hamas, it's people were killed or people are dead. and when it's the other way round, israel has killed. so there's a

lot of wordings that are going on, which i think people should get wise to and understand how the how the media works on this. and but at the same time of course, it's very difficult not to show some kind of bias on it. >> i would say, well, let's try and squeeze this one in. kerry the i and tommy robinson wanted to recruit sikhs , hindus and to recruit sikhs, hindus and jewish people flipping de—man . jewish people flipping de—man. >> well, do you know what exactly right. you know. yes, yes, he almost certainly would be doing that. but then that has been the diy method. it's been for a long time, whether framed as, you know, colonialism worse or whiteness and so on. it's that movement has been all about bringing in all the different minorities, ethnic groups and so on and saying, this is about you. you have to get involved. so he's learning from that, isn't he? he's doing i do think i do think he's a grifter and grifters grift, you know, it's exactly what you expect them to do. but and it'd be weird if he didn't. you know, it'd be weird if he didn't want to involve all the other people. it'd be weird if he said no. this movement is only for white. bald men, you know, over a certain age, at least. >> i still get the emails. i'd

still get the emails. >> you would. you >> you would. you >> you'd still be able to tell us what's going on. but i do think he's been learning from left wing inclusivity. and you look at the, the, free palestine marches and they have done very much the same thing. they've made it. this is about you and they've kind of brought in a narrative that works for everybody's struggle at the same time, they also have the support of nick griffin of the bnp and the ayatollah. so they weren't that fussy about who joins their side. i can understand why people on the right or the far right wouldn't be that fussy about who's joining their side ehhen >> paul, i've got no gotcha questions on this one. >> no thank you. big stretch, though, isn't it, to say that it's tommy robinson that's behind, you know, the sikhs, the jews, the hindus disliking the muslims. these things were going on long before stephen yaxley was born. you know , he's not. was born. you know, he's not. his comment on this was you know, he thinks that the ai is fake news and he's not going to comment on it, he he may well be doing something in the background, but make no mistake, this this is sort of reverse

dye. they're throwing this against tommy robinson. and on this particular occasion, i think these these particular groups historically have already already got a problem with islam. >> well, that's the end of part three. in the final section, it's fights in pubs and paralympic cheating. some them are on drugs. oh,

next. welcome back to headliners. paul the mirror. the smoking ban could cause fights in pubs and you wouldn't want pubs to offer something that is known to make people fight. would we? >> steve, i never know what you're going to say, but it's a genuinely funny mate. so pub , genuinely funny mate. so pub, let's have a really sarcastic one. that was not that was not meant. no, it wasn't a pub. landlords warn , warn smoking ban landlords warn, warn smoking ban had sparked violent fights in pub gardens, a proposed smoking ban. blah blah blah blah blah . ban. blah blah blah blah blah. we've been covering this a lot.

everyone's aware of it now. there's two aspects to this. one is that, you know, people are now saying that it could do this. i don't think it will. i think it will cause a problem. i think it will cause a problem. i think it will cause a problem politically. but we all remember in two thousand and seven, we all remember the indoor smoking ban. i don't know , i never ban. i don't know, i never smoked at that point. i don't know if either of you two did. and there were, but yes. so people weren't happy with it. but it passed by without too much violence. and i think this would be the same. >> it was mostly peaceful, a largely , largely peaceful largely, largely peaceful violence in most pubs , violence in most pubs, >> so i'm not too concerned by that. i'm much more concerned about the removal of sort of freedom of choice . now, i know freedom of choice. now, i know this all sounds very right wing of me, and who would expect anything else, but i genuinely believe that , you know, we believe that, you know, we should allow people who want to take pleasure from things, to take pleasure from things, to take pleasure from it, as long as they're only doing themselves harm. and that's absolutely fine. and that's all that would

happenin fine. and that's all that would happen in a pub garden. negligible. you're a scientist, steve. much like me and louis schaefer , we i don't think schaefer, we i don't think i think that the damage would be negligible if you were sat six feet away from someone smoking . feet away from someone smoking. vaping, i assume the same, but we haven't probably got enough evidence of vaping. so i don't think this is going to do a great deal of harm. it causes 80,000 deaths a year. that's not good. but 80,000 is 0.1% of the overall population. it's you know, we could remove the burden on the nhs by doing a lot of other things. other than this. >> it says only 80,000. and i wrote the only. all right. did you make it clear? yes. >> it is only 80,000. >> it is only 80,000. >> a mere 80,000. >> a mere 80,000. >> i don't think that's a lot. i genuinely don't know. >> i'm not in the big scheme of things. maybe, but they're going to die anyway. everyone's going to die anyway. everyone's going to die anyway. people realise this or not. >> some of them out there might not. you might be breaking it to people right now. >> you don't save lives in that sense. but, look, i can understand why people don't like smoking. of course, i fully understand that there should be somewhere where you can go and do all your bad habits. smoking, dnnk do all your bad habits. smoking, drink like a pub. that'd be a good place to go, wouldn't it? your bedroom place. but that's what pubs always were. we all

know alcohol is bad. it's like we go to a pub and we share our bad habits, have a cigarette, have a drink and of course that did all change with the smoking ban. everyone took it outside and the people at the time were saying, oh, we're going to ban it outside as well. wouldn't even thought that could be a thing at the time. and then suddenly it wasn't. i remember it coming in. i remember working the comedy store in london, and the comedy store in london, and the first time i could smell the audience, i didn't know how the sweat and perfume and so on. and it also meant that comedians would be backstage and we would all be smoking. and then now you had to go outside and stand with the audience and hear what they think of your jokes. yeah. so it changed a lot in comedy, really. but another thing is happening with the smoking ban is they're talking about, including in council homes, which seems like quite an odd move to do because that kind of punishes poor people and disabled people who can't smoke in their own home because it's a council home where anyone else can do. they might get reported by neighbours and so on, which seems a little excessive. >> that is terrifyingly authoritarian. >> yeah, we've got less than two minutes left. >> mary the mirror. for anyone who's ever said i wouldn't be

seen dead in a coffee shop, here's some news. here's someone who was. >> it's not funny to laugh. a man who was found . man who was found. >> you should have seen the jokes i rejected. >> i thought he could get away with. i'll accept your intent with. i'll accept your intent with it. the first line here is that a man was found slumped over a table at a coffee shop, and it turned out he was dead, which is really bad. but then you find out that this was in a general hospital, which that's really bad, by the way. that's really bad, by the way. that's really bad, by the way. that's really bad for no one to know. and it was noticed by the security guard. so there were lots of doctors and nurses sitting in the coffee shop who didn't notice. there was a dead man there for about three hours. yeah, but a security guard noficed yeah, but a security guard noticed that the least suspicious person in the place was being so, so immobile that something was wrong. and then people moved in. so, yeah, i don't think it's a good advert for the hospital . for the hospital. >> true. yeah. i mean, if ever there's a place you could shout, is there a doctor in the house? there would be, but they didn't do it. i tell you what, we'll move on because we can fit this one in less than a minute. the daily mail cheating at the olympics. some of the sprinters still claiming the blue badge. >> they are paralympic games cheating row erupts as italian

is caught using a mystery device dunng is caught using a mystery device during rowing final. so this is italian. comma giacomo perini . italian. comma giacomo perini. yes, he was disqualified for he deemed to be using an unknown communication device like a phone or a walkie talkie. so it was known to some degree. now i've seen lots of fancy phones. none of them have got arms . i none of them have got arms. i don't see how they could have contributed to the rowing at all. yeah i've got a phone. >> don't make me row any faster. >> don't make me row any faster. >> you've never rowed with your phone. you never got a rowing app? got the rowing app. just press it and you just go for it. i haven't trusted the paralympics ever since oscar pistorius. once i know what they how they can be. you know what kind of behaviour they get up to as a reference. >> that's how you should judge all people. >> i judge them all. yeah. >> i judge them all. yeah. >> i judge them all. yeah. >> i think i probably should move on. the show is nearly oven move on. the show is nearly over, so let's take another quick look at monday's front pages. the daily mail goes with labouris pages. the daily mail goes with labour is scaring off big businesses. the times says germany's far right has first big win since nazis. the telegraph goes with one word ofsted ratings scrapped. the

guardian says protesters turn on netanyahu in fury over deaths of six hostages and the daily express how ludicrous labour acts winter fuel help to stop, run on pound. the daily star simply says oasis some won't pay- simply says oasis some won't pay. those are your front pages. that's all we've got time for then. thank you to my guest, paul cox and kerry marx. simon evans will be here tomorrow with leo kearse and lewis schaffer. if you're watching at 5 am. stay tuned. breakfast on the way next until the next one. have yourself a good one. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb. >> news . >> news. >> news. >> hello there! welcome to our latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. it stays unsettled over the next 24 hours or so. the risk of heavy showers and thunderstorms staying rather cloudy and particularly humid as well. low pressure in charge of our weather pattern at the moment. slow moving areas of rain across the country. however, this area of high pressure just starts to introduce some fresher air as we

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or requiring improvement by inspectors. >> the move follows lobbying by teaching unions, who claim the single word gradings were simplistic, reductive, unreliable and, believe it or not, inhumane. >> well, this comes as fines for taking your child out of school will increase from today. as the education secretary says, schools are facing an absence epidemic. >> the conservative leadership intensifies. can be badenoch will today lash out at labour and call for change in the conservative party, while james cleverly calls for a cut to stamp duty . stamp duty. >> is prince harry to make a royal return to the uk? the duke of sussex is said to be making inquiries about repairing his relationship with his family and the british public. >> and in the sport this morning, liverpool smash manchester united at old trafford and win three nil.

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